NYT: Zelensky's Government "Sabotaged Oversight, Allowing Corruption to Fester"

Sounds like Zelensky learned from Tim Walz and Ilhan "Omar" nur.

Zelensky's Government Sabotaged Oversight, Allowing Corruption to Fester
Ukrainian leaders blame independent advisers for failing to prevent graft. A Times investigation found that President Volodymyr Zelensky's own administration removed guardrails.

By Constant Méheut and Kim Barker
Reporting from Keeev
When Russian troops invaded Ukraine, Kyiv's Western allies faced a dilemma: how to spend billions supporting a government fighting Russia without watching the money vanish into the pockets of corrupt managers and government officials.
The stakes were high because Ukraine's vital wartime industries -- power distribution, weapons purchases and nuclear energy -- were controlled by state-owned companies that have long served as piggy banks for the country's elite.
To protect their money, the United States and European nations insisted on oversight. They required Ukraine to allow groups of outside experts, known as supervisory boards, to monitor spending, appoint executives and prevent corruption.
Over the past four years, a New York Times investigation found, the Ukrainian government systematically sabotaged that oversight, allowing graft to flourish.

The New York Times suddenly discovers that the country featuring oligarchs who paid off Joe Biden to pressure the government to fire a prosecutor who was investigating the corruption of the company Hunter Biden was being bribed by might have a problem with corruption.

They have denied this for 10 or 15 years now.

President Volodymyr Zelensky's administration has stacked boards with loyalists, left seats empty or stalled them from being set up at all. Leaders in Keeeev even rewrote company charters to limit oversight, keeping the government in control and allowing hundreds of millions of dollars to be spent without outsiders poking around.
Supervisory boards serve an essential oversight function, allowing independent experts, typically from other countries, to scrutinize major decisions inside Ukrainian state-owned companies.
They are also central to the corruption scandal swirling around Mr. Zelensky's government. Anti-corruption authorities have accused members of his inner circle of siphoning off and laundering $100 million from the state-owned nuclear power company, Energoatom.

Wait, a Urkanian energy company is corrupt and scamming aid money?

Now do Burisma.

Mr. Zelensky's administration has blamed Energoatom's supervisory board for failing to stop the corruption. But it was Mr. Zelensky's government itself that neutered Energoatom's supervisory board, The Times found.

In documents and interviews with about 20 Western and Ukrainian officials who have worked closely with company boards or served on them, The Times found political interference not only at Energoatom but also at the state-owned electricity company Ukrenergo as well as at Ukraine's Defense Procurement Agency. Some people spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss confidential deliberations.
An adviser for Mr. Zelensky declined to comment, saying that the supervisory boards were not the president's responsibility.

European leaders have privately criticized but reluctantly tolerated Ukrainian corruption for years, reasoning that supporting the fight against Russia's invasion was paramount. So, even as Ukraine undermined outside oversight, European money kept flowing.

This has been going on "for years." No shit?

Welcome to 2011, New York Times.

"We do care about good governance, but we have to accept that risk," said Christian Syse, the special envoy to Ukraine from Norway, one of Kyiv's top donors. He added: "Because it's war. Because it's in our own interest to help Ukraine financially. Because Ukraine is defending Europe from Russian attacks."

What was the excuse for overlooking Burisma's corruption of the Biden family before Putin invaded?

The political meddling with Energoatom's supervisory board is a case study in how Ukraine's leaders have blocked efforts to prevent corruption. The Zelensky administration delayed the formation of Energoatom's board and, when it finally came together, the government left a seat empty -- impeding the board's ability to act.
Had the board worked normally, it might have curtailed what the authorities now say was rampant corruption. Contractors on Energoatom projects had to pay kickbacks of up to 15 percent, according to investigators.
Mr. Zelensky was elected in 2019 on a promise to eliminate graft. But after Russia's 2022 invasion, he relaxed anti-corruption rules in the name of speeding up weapons procurement and protecting military secrets. Mr. Zelensky also worked with political and business figures whom he had once declared to be criminals.

Like Hunter Biden, maybe?

It's all too much. They have lied about this for a decade to protect corrupt American politicians, and now they're reporting on it as if it's a scoop.

People wonder: Why? Why now? Why stop lying now?

I don't know. It could be that parts of the Regime are annoyed that Zelensky is resisting some concessions to get a peace deal, and they want to pressure him. Perhaps the Regime has decided they just don't feel like fighting the Russians to the last American dollar any longer.

Posted by: Ace at 01:17 PM

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1 First!

Posted by: CTHillary, dead but dreaming at December 08, 2025 01:18 PM (Vpqw1)

2 The entire reason our Politicians went to Ukraine in the first place was to take advantage of the Corruption there.

Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2025 01:18 PM (TR2dy)

3 That seems to be the main reason they (globalists/DeepState) chose Zelensky ... to run their scams

Posted by: illiniwek at December 08, 2025 01:19 PM (vbXSk)

4 The NYT is a tool of Putin?

Posted by: steevy at December 08, 2025 01:20 PM (YwEeS)

5 Zelensky's Government "Sabotaged Oversight, Allowing Corruption to Fester"

I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked. Now we need to round up TWICE the number of the normal suspects.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2025 01:20 PM (ynpvh)

6 "All the news that's fit to print. Eventually"

Posted by: NYT at December 08, 2025 01:20 PM (GyoJP)

7 Unexpectedly.

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant at December 08, 2025 01:20 PM (hkN5q)

8 >>Because Ukraine is defending Europe from Russian attacks.

Presses 'X' to Doubt.

Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2025 01:20 PM (TR2dy)

9 As Rush Limbaugh used to say, this is your show prep, EVERYBODY.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at December 08, 2025 01:21 PM (YlWIZ)

10 Nooded.

Posted by: Nazdar at December 08, 2025 01:21 PM (NcvvS)

11 I think the world is tired of the war.

Finally.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:22 PM (GBKbO)

12 I can't wait for the NYT expose that suspects that China possibly has had some biolabs doing "research" funded by US taxpayers.

Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 01:23 PM (xeVxQ)

13 What? Corruption? In UKRAINE?

Imagine My Shock.

Posted by: XTC at December 08, 2025 01:23 PM (UnA8+)

14 11 I think the world is tired of the war.

Finally.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:22 PM (GBKbO)

Winnie the Xi...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2025 01:23 PM (ynpvh)

15 .
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"Because Ukraine is defending Europe from Russian attacks."
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But, butt ...
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not from Russian natural gas.

Posted by: Marooned at December 08, 2025 01:23 PM (kt8QE)

16 It's a war that neither team seems to actually have any interest in winning.

Fighting, yes. Winning? Not so much.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 08, 2025 01:24 PM (Vq1pX)

17 https://x.com/sven10077/status/1998095661095633350 They are suddenly honest now that honesty can have no impact.

Posted by: sven at December 08, 2025 01:24 PM (MUJd1)

18 15 .
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"Because Ukraine is defending Europe from Russian attacks."
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But, butt ...
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not from Russian natural gas.

Posted by: Marooned at December 08, 2025 01:23 PM (kt8QE)

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The EU has spent more on Russian energy over the last three years than they've spent arming Ukraine.

Because they're super serious, you guys, about fighting Russia.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:24 PM (GBKbO)

19 You don’t say. You can substitute any number of names there.

Posted by: Cow Demon at December 08, 2025 01:24 PM (rQwsY)

20 Winning is for Colonialists

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 08, 2025 01:24 PM (7XNVR)

21 Graft is a sacred tradition in Ukraine.

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2025 01:25 PM (krQz2)

22 Because Ukraine is defending Europe from Russian attacks.

The EU's chief diplomat, Estonia's Kaja Kallas, has warned that: "If we don't help Ukraine further, we should all start learning Russian."

Since she grew up in the Soviet Union, and her father was a senior Communist Party official, I doubt that this will be much of a problem for her.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 08, 2025 01:25 PM (xTIDn)

23 To release this report in the middle of "#1 Ukraine Fan" John McCain's funeral?!

How low can they go?!

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 08, 2025 01:25 PM (HXT0k)

24 16 Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 08, 2025 01:24 PM (Vq1pX)

Ivan already won what he wants mostly as a now fait accompli....they are NOT getting the donbas back period.

The rest is functionally the bear amusing itself as it does by needlessly killing its young men....goes back 1200 years.

Posted by: sven at December 08, 2025 01:25 PM (MUJd1)

25 Not sure if you saw this Ace, but the NYT has also decided Now it Can be Told™ that Biden fucked up immigration.

Have they discovered Biden was senile yet? Ironically I can't remember.

Posted by: MJ at December 08, 2025 01:26 PM (XOmY9)

26 Does the NYT expect a cookie for being a decade late on this story?

Posted by: mr tmz at December 08, 2025 01:26 PM (rJ48h)

27 I'm guessing Trump has some big revelations ready and the Times is just getting ahead of it. Result: business as usual in "Uke".

Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 01:26 PM (xeVxQ)

28 https://x.com/sven10077/status/1998095661095633350 They are suddenly honest now that honesty can have no impact.
Posted by: sven at December 08, 2025 01:24 PM (MUJd1)
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That seems to have formed a pattern for the Democratic press.

"Hey, Joe Biden was probably senile!"

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2025 01:26 PM (krQz2)

29 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 08, 2025 01:26 PM (Zz0t1)

30 Is the Maverick's funeral still going?

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 08, 2025 01:26 PM (7XNVR)

31 OT:

Had an interview. Company that was a competitor to the company I worked for from 2012 to 2020.

Went real well. Manager and I had real good rapport.

So, maybe that step is done. Also, friend from previous company sent me a link to company he's working for now. His manager told him to tell me to apply for it.

Maybe the job drought won't last that long. Maybe all it will have been will be a kick to the pants to get the YouTube thing going.

We'll see.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:27 PM (GBKbO)

32
"Because Ukraine is defending Europe from Russian attacks."

The irony here being the only attack on Europe was the Ukes/US destroying Germany's oil pipeline from Russia.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2025 01:27 PM (sKqQm)

33 30 Is the Maverick's funeral still going?

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 08, 2025 01:26 PM (7XNVR)

It's on the highway to the danger zone...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 08, 2025 01:27 PM (ynpvh)

34 My guess on the "Why now": Trump has made ending the war a priority, and they can see the writing on the wall. Time to start positioning themselves as "peacemakers" for the prestige and graft (mostly the graft).

Posted by: pookysgirl, enjoying Rachmaninov with Lil Pooky at December 08, 2025 01:27 PM (Wt5PA)

35 EU wants a monopoly on corruption and graft, there is no place for upstarts like Russia in this club!

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2025 01:28 PM (g47mK)

36 Maybe the job drought won't last that long. Maybe all it will have been will be a kick to the pants to get the YouTube thing going.

Does this mean no review of Prometheus if you get the job?!?

Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2025 01:28 PM (sKqQm)

37 Europe isn't tired of the war!

I have no idea what is going on here.

OF COURSE Ukraine is fully corrupt. it was corrupted IMMEDIATELY after it gained "independence!"

and mostly by Americans! it was SWAMPED right then. my friends from the diaspora here went back, thinking they could help/re-migrate.

came back after barely a year just shaking their heads. too late for normal people. full of criminals, all kinds of criminals.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 08, 2025 01:28 PM (emBoF)

38 Willowed:

Whig is right about Islam, btw. There's a reason why Maimonides was writing in Islamic run areas rather than Christian ones.

Posted by: The Lower Depths at December 08, 2025 01:13 PM (Dg7ng)
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LOL! So much ignorance. Why did Maimonides abandon Cordoba and hide over a decade in difference locations in southern Spain?

Why did he have to disguise himself in Fez before escaping to Crusader held Palestine?

What Maimonides himself thought of the barbaric Islamic religion is clearly spelled out in his Epistle to Yemen:

https://tinyurl.com/msyhvb9c

So much gibberish in the comments here about the good times in Islam. Theme music:

https://youtu.be/s6gNo4-1r6k

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 08, 2025 01:28 PM (MXrgX)

39 >>Not sure if you saw this Ace, but the NYT has also decided Now it Can be Told™ that Biden fucked up immigration.

NYT: Also, we are now confident to report that not ALL of those Dog Turds found in the White House during the Biden Administration were actual Dog Turds.

Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2025 01:28 PM (TR2dy)

40 Zelensky 'allies' flee to Israel as $100-million graft scandal erupts; How Ukraine's corrupt Politicians are forcing Kyiv towards a Putin-approved Peace Deal.

I feel so bad for Zelensky- I wonder if they have the same style laws for treason as the US does

I hope their laws are better than the US. What’s the point of having laws against treason if you don’t enforce them against a traitor like Trump?

Talking points have been released to the general media. The target is now Zelensky, they are going to try and tear him to shreds and blame the war and the lack of a peace deal on him.

This is bullshit propaganda and the NYT should know better by looking back in their archives of the 1930s.

Every nation has some level of corruption, why the Times decided to explore Ukraine's while it fights for its existence while invaded by the world's corruption champ and squeezed by an "ally" who wants to profit from Ukraines capitulation seems questionable.

Trump has forgotten that the USA once genuinely promised a solid, lifelong security guarantee to Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine's nuclear weapons, which Ukraine relinquished in the 1990s!

Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at December 08, 2025 01:28 PM (JCZqz)

41 36 Maybe the job drought won't last that long. Maybe all it will have been will be a kick to the pants to get the YouTube thing going.

Does this mean no review of Prometheus if you get the job?!?

Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2025 01:28 PM (sKqQm)

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I hadn't considered it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:28 PM (GBKbO)

42 I guarantee you billions has made it's way back to the US and it's corrupt government leadership. Going back to the Glenn Beck investigation where he found that the Biden's, Owebama, Romney and Kerry ties into that corrupt shithole were staggering.

Trump wanted it stopped, so they stole his re-election and handed it to the most corrupt political family in the country.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 08, 2025 01:28 PM (Zz0t1)

43 The New York Times is backing off a number of the major three letter agency ops they have passed on to their brainwashed readership over the Obama era. Yesterday they reported that Biden's border policies were a disaster, today Ukraine is a cesspool of fraud. Strange times.

Posted by: Oglebay at December 08, 2025 01:28 PM (2ap+5)

44 Something's up. The NYT has been pimping for Uke and Zelensky for 10 years, despite overwhelming evidence of widespread money-laundering and corruption.

Now, out of the blue, the NYT suddenly not only admits the corruption, but they devote a splashy article to it? They never would have published something like this even a few months ago.

Something. Is. Up. I suspect the tone of the article -- blaming it mostly if not all on the homo-nculus -- this is battlespace prep for regime change in Uke. The Blade knows things, he does.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 08, 2025 01:28 PM (iFTx/)

45 18 The EU has spent more on Russian energy over the last three years than they've spent arming Ukraine.

Because they're super serious, you guys, about fighting Russia.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:24 PM (GBKbO)

They're super serious about trying to set up WW3 between the US and Russia.

Posted by: XTC at December 08, 2025 01:29 PM (UnA8+)

46 39 >>Not sure if you saw this Ace, but the NYT has also decided Now it Can be Told™ that Biden fucked up immigration.

NYT: Also, we are now confident to report that not ALL of those Dog Turds found in the White House during the Biden Administration were actual Dog Turds.

Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2025 01:28 PM (TR2dy)

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"But the next Democrat totally won't do it again. Swearsies."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:29 PM (GBKbO)

47 Is the Maverick's funeral still going?

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 08, 2025 01:26 PM (7XNVR)
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Yes. The Cheneys were only "playing through".

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2025 01:29 PM (krQz2)

48 this article btw is an IC creation. it could NOT be more obvious.

oh look at all the new, unsourced intel! wow!

great job REPORTERS!!!

sorry the whole thing is just so frustrating. Ukraine isn't a country anymore, not for a while.

it's a playground for Global Elites (and a sort of dumping ground/experimental lab)

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 08, 2025 01:29 PM (emBoF)

49 Really surprised the Ukrainians haven't strung Zelensky up on a pike. State is keeping security on him. When Trump pulls his security that will be it.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 08, 2025 01:30 PM (kf2Bq)

50 People wonder: Why? Why now?

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This was predicted by ...certain people in the know, that if there was not to be movement on the settlement, the receipt will be revealed.

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2025 01:30 PM (g47mK)

51 Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 08, 2025 01:28 PM (emBoF)

27

Except the result might not be business as usual if Trump has forced their hands into the revelations.

Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 01:30 PM (xeVxQ)

52 The EU has spent more on Russian energy over the last three years than they've spent arming Ukraine.

Because they're super serious, you guys, about fighting Russia.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

This is the most convoluted war I've ever seen. Nothing about it makes any sense.

Makes WWI look like the height of logic and foresight.

Posted by: Bulg at December 08, 2025 01:30 PM (77rzZ)

53 So in the last few days the NYT has discovered the Zelensky and Ukraine are corrupt and also that the Biden administration was a complete cluster**k on immigration and the border.
They are trying to protect the Dems by walling off the Biden administration and/or memory holing them

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 08, 2025 01:30 PM (bfwj/)

54 Zelenskyy is a sleazebag. He should be frogmarched out behind the bunker and be presented to the firing squad for target practice.

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at December 08, 2025 01:30 PM (1zOXE)

55 Perhaps the Regime has decided they just don't feel like fighting the Russians to the last American dollar any longer.

Posted by: Ace at 01:17 PM

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We can always "print" $300 trillion more!

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant at December 08, 2025 01:30 PM (zhQow)

56 24 16 Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 08, 2025 01:24 PM (Vq1pX)

Ivan already won what he wants mostly as a now fait accompli....they are NOT getting the donbas back period.

The rest is functionally the bear amusing itself as it does by needlessly killing its young men....goes back 1200 years.
Posted by: sven
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Fair take on the situation. But a Pyrrhic victory for Russia in the long run--war is always wasteful and the need to rebuild that devastated area means billions of rubles not spent on other matters.

Money is probably the sticking point---something like 300 billion is thrown around about frozen Russian Reserves of which 207 billion in Euroland. Euros want that money and don't want it clawed back to the Motherland is my guess.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2025 01:30 PM (WDjG6)

57 Does an NYT post that announces its abandonment of Ukraine pre-date the Oligarchy announcing same, or does it come after?

Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2025 01:30 PM (dGCAG)

58 45 They're super serious about trying to set up WW3 between the US and Russia.

Posted by: XTC at December 08, 2025 01:29 PM (UnA8+)

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I find most references to potential WWIIIs kind of silly.

Because WWI and WWII were really just one conflict with a 20 year break in the middle.

A WWIII would need to be a continuation of that which ended 80 years ago. I know it's just a shorthand for "big, world-involving conflict", but it also implies scale that is often not actually justified.

Like this. It's been a regional conflict about borders for 3 years and never expanded beyond that. Hell, the lines have barely changed for 3 years.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:31 PM (GBKbO)

59 Ukrainian leaders blame independent advisers for failing to prevent graft.

Here's the thing I've noticed about "independent advisors." They depend on a paycheck just like everybody else and they'll advise whatever the signer of that check wants to hear.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 08, 2025 01:31 PM (3nLb4)

60 Ukraine is the country where 8-billion of US dollars just "fell" into a crevasse and was never seen again.

(But probably seen in several Democrat Party campaigns, I figure.)

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2025 01:31 PM (krQz2)

61 The NYT is a tool of Putin?
Posted by: steevy at December 08, 2025 01:20 PM (YwEeS)

NYT is a pool of tootin'.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2025 01:31 PM (dGCAG)

62 We can always "print" $300 trillion more!
Posted by: ShainS
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I think the WEF Biden Junta plan was to go totally electronic in currency so that the new US Digital Dollar could be devalued, seized, or otherwise stolen aka confiscated more easily by the state.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2025 01:32 PM (WDjG6)

63 Ukraine should join NATO right after the US leaves.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 08, 2025 01:32 PM (7XNVR)

64 Every day that goes by, I am more and more amazed that Zelensky hasn't done an end-stage Saul Goodman, and is now managing a Cinn-a-bon in Des Moines. I suspect when he makes his trips abroad, his security detail is more concerned about him getting out than someone getting in.

Lil Z's days look to be numbered. I expect any day now, the "Russians" will kill him, but only after the "Russians" have grabbed all his account numbers and access codes.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 08, 2025 01:32 PM (4mmkh)

65 NYT and the rest are making it easier for the next lightbringer from D side to run. Dump all the bad stuff on Biden, give (Newscome or whoever) a clean slate.

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2025 01:32 PM (g47mK)

66 65 NYT and the rest are making it easier for the next lightbringer from D side to run. Dump all the bad stuff on Biden, give (Newscome or whoever) a clean slate.

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2025 01:32 PM (g47mK)

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All the Dems who fled CA because of Newsom are probably not going to vote for him in the primary.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:33 PM (GBKbO)

67 Except the result might not be business as usual if Trump has forced their hands into the revelations.

yeah but it could also be pressure on Z to stick with the plan and "stay strong" a la the EU

when I say that article is an IC plant I don't mean the Trump Admin's IC. I mean the remnant - the globalist/leftist remnant. They are still active as a shadow govt, just like before but less powerful - but still dangerous.

Ukraine is and has been their turf. their playground...

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 08, 2025 01:33 PM (emBoF)

68 Is there anyone on this whole fucking planet who isn't picking our pockets?

Posted by: huerfano at December 08, 2025 01:33 PM (98kQX)

69 So, are we removing the Ukrainian flag from our online profiles now?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 08, 2025 01:33 PM (Zz0t1)

70 68 Is there anyone on this whole fucking planet who isn't picking our pockets?

Posted by: huerfano at December 08, 2025 01:33 PM (98kQX)

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*raises hand*

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Like and subscribe.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:33 PM (GBKbO)

71 Zelenskyy is a sleazebag. He should be frogmarched out behind the bunker and be presented to the firing squad for target practice.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at December 08, 2025 01:30 PM (1zOXE)

The final humiliation? Make him wear a suit and tie instead of those grubby clothes he normally comes begging in.

Posted by: hobbitopoly at December 08, 2025 01:33 PM (k9OZB)

72 Trump has forgotten that the USA once genuinely promised a solid, lifelong security guarantee to Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine's nuclear weapons, which Ukraine relinquished in the 1990s!
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Verbal assurances by a President 30 years ago are binding treaties!
/s/ Harvard Law Grad

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 08, 2025 01:34 PM (HXT0k)

73 This was apparent several years ago. I hate that our media operates like old Soviet 'news' where you have to try to figure out the underlying shady purpose for reporting the truth.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 08, 2025 01:34 PM (Dv3i1)

74 NYT and the rest are making it easier for the next lightbringer from D side to run. Dump all the bad stuff on Biden, give (Newscome or whoever) a clean slate.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2025 01:32 PM (g47mK)

They're grooming that alien headed asshole to replace Newsom as he's become too far fetched.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 08, 2025 01:34 PM (Zz0t1)

75 72 Trump has forgotten that the USA once genuinely promised a solid, lifelong security guarantee to Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine's nuclear weapons, which Ukraine relinquished in the 1990s!
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Verbal assurances by a President 30 years ago are binding treaties!
/s/ Harvard Law Grad

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 08, 2025 01:34 PM (HXT0k)

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Yeah...pretty much a handshake from Clinton is supposed to tie up American national concerns forever?

How is this line persuasive to anyone?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:34 PM (GBKbO)

76
Charlize Theron running in a straight line from the rolling alien spaceship of doom is a perfect metaphor for modern American establishment politics ...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2025 01:34 PM (sKqQm)

77 All the Dems who fled CA because of Newsom are probably not going to vote for him in the primary.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:33 PM (GBKbO)
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Unless they're dead.

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2025 01:35 PM (krQz2)

78 Now that we discussed in the morning report the Windex black woman who wants to kill whites, we can talk about the Algerian French maid who actually tried doing the same:

https://tinyurl.com/bdk7frcw

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 08, 2025 01:35 PM (MXrgX)

79 Whaaaaaaa?
Corruption in Ukraine???????
Heaven forfend. I’m shocked I tell ya shocked.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 08, 2025 01:35 PM (SQJLY)

80 For anyone who's been paying even the slightest bit of attention this isn't news. But suddenly the Gray Lady is shocked SHOCKED to find corruption going on in Ukraine!

Posted by: It's beyond caricature at this point at December 08, 2025 01:35 PM (TbWk/)

81 Yeah, it was Ukraine that sabotaged oversight, not the scrupulously honest Democrats, NGOs, and EU governments and the EU itself all getting kickbacks.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2025 01:35 PM (8avO+)

82 I can't wait for the leaks to come out against Kamala in November of next year, in preparation of the early primary states, that she knew it all and helped hide it.

And it not mattering to the primary voters.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:35 PM (GBKbO)

83 All the Dems who fled CA because of Newsom are probably not going to vote for him in the primary.

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do you thing the voter rolls are sufficiently clean and free of 30-50 million illegal and dead to make that matter ?

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2025 01:35 PM (g47mK)

84 Speaking of Ukrainian corruption :

I saw something posted on X yesterday about former Heavyweight Boxer Vitaly Klitschko becoming one of the biggest Whoremongers in Germany (while still being mayor of Kiev/Kyiv).

Posted by: XTC at December 08, 2025 01:35 PM (UnA8+)

85 77 All the Dems who fled CA because of Newsom are probably not going to vote for him in the primary.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:33 PM (GBKbO)
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Unless they're dead.

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2025 01:35 PM (krQz2)

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Touche.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:35 PM (GBKbO)

86 The NYT's been noticing a lot of actual things recently. They broke that CNN was lying about the "double tap", as well.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 08, 2025 01:35 PM (2ocoG)

87 " allowing graft to flourish."

Isn't this the story of the Joe Biden presidency?

Posted by: fd at December 08, 2025 01:35 PM (vFG9F)

88 Because WWI and WWII were really just one conflict with a 20 year break in the middle.

A WWIII would need to be a continuation of that which ended 80 years ago. I know it's just a shorthand for "big, world-involving conflict", but it also implies scale that is often not actually justified.

Like this. It's been a regional conflict about borders for 3 years and never expanded beyond that. Hell, the lines have barely changed for 3 years.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

You could argue that the Cold War and its associated hot wars were WWIII, since it arose directly out of WWII. Then you could call any potential wider war over Ukraine WWIV, since it in turn would have arisen from the ending of the Cold War and the breakup of the Soviet Union.

Posted by: Bulg at December 08, 2025 01:36 PM (77rzZ)

89 1. The EU wanted the US to provide and "Insurance policy" back-up, and they would have initiated and "event" requiring US intervention. Trump declined.
2. Trump cut the EU entirely out of the Peace process. This took away their interference AND denied them the opportunity to take credit for any good results.
3. The US refusing to send ground troops keeps US money out of EU hands (which is their goal). If we refuse to engage in this conflict the EU can't exploit our wealth (which is another goal of theirs)
4. Now, and I hope I am wrong, they are attempting to initiate a civil war within Ukraine to continue the conflict and attempt to bring the US in under another premise, which is why the liberal rags are now highlighting corruption.

Any way you slice it, the reason the conflict continues is that EU has been meddling with the ultimate goal of requiring the US to take the lead, and they will attempt to profit from that involvement.

THE EU IS NOT AN ALLY.

Posted by: Orson at December 08, 2025 01:36 PM (dIske)

90 83 All the Dems who fled CA because of Newsom are probably not going to vote for him in the primary.

==

do you thing the voter rolls are sufficiently clean and free of 30-50 million illegal and dead to make that matter ?

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2025 01:35 PM (g47mK)

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Remember, they couldn't fix SC in 2020, and their whole plan fell apart because of it.

Well, their whole, Plan D fell apart. Plan A fell apart months earlier.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:36 PM (GBKbO)

91 So, are we removing the Ukrainian flag from our online profiles now?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 08, 2025 01:33 PM (Zz0t1)
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Don't be so hasty.

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2025 01:36 PM (krQz2)

92 I saw something posted on X yesterday about former Heavyweight Boxer Vitaly Klitschko becoming one of the biggest Whoremongers in Germany (while still being mayor of Kiev/Kyiv).

The Germans are being outdone at pimping by someone who doesn't actually live there? That's bleak.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 08, 2025 01:36 PM (2ocoG)

93 Tell the EU we need some space.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 08, 2025 01:36 PM (7XNVR)

94 I was going to wonder about why the left is so enamored with Z-man, a guy who puts on the "soldier" costume and play-acts as a president--but has literally zero actual accomplishments.

Then I realize, of course the theater kids are impressed with costumes and acting.

"The West Wing was the most real and honest depiction of Democrat governance in history!!!"

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 08, 2025 01:36 PM (HXT0k)

95 86 The NYT's been noticing a lot of actual things recently. They broke that CNN was lying about the "double tap", as well.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 08, 2025 01:35 PM (2ocoG)

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WaPo was the one who "broke" the lie on the double tap. Just for clarity.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:37 PM (GBKbO)

96 You’re a Jewish Family.
In France.
And you hire a muzzie to be your nanny.

I mean what did you expect would happen?

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 08, 2025 01:37 PM (SQJLY)

97 Ivan already won what he wants mostly as a now fait accompli....they are NOT getting the donbas back period.

The rest is functionally the bear amusing itself as it does by needlessly killing its young men....goes back 1200 years.
Posted by: sven at December 08, 2025 01:25 PM (MUJd1)

Apparently there are STILL "experts" on the conflict who claim Russia loses about 1000 men a day.

How?

Who is killing them?

The war has, for the most part, been "over" for months. Russia sits on its front, sometimes they let the Norks go on raids against Uke positions, just so they can get practice, but for the most part there are NO infantry advances being executed.

They take more territory when they want, and they blow shit up if they think they should.

Russia is just waiting for the last resistance in the Trump administration to fold, so it can sign the deal they want. Which they were always going to get. It just keeps getting "better" for them every day they wait.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2025 01:37 PM (dGCAG)

98 yeah but it could also be pressure on Z to stick with the plan and "stay strong" a la the EU

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 08, 2025 01:33 PM (emBoF)

That was my initial instinct. The wildcard is how effective Trump is, and he has proven at times to be very much so. Z did a public FU to him and there is no way Trump forgot.

Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 01:37 PM (xeVxQ)

99 88 You could argue that the Cold War and its associated hot wars were WWIII, since it arose directly out of WWII. Then you could call any potential wider war over Ukraine WWIV, since it in turn would have arisen from the ending of the Cold War and the breakup of the Soviet Union.

Posted by: Bulg at December 08, 2025 01:36 PM (77rzZ)

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I think that would be fair.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:37 PM (GBKbO)

100 The NYT is a tool of Putin?
Posted by: steevy at December 08, 2025 01:20 PM (YwEeS)

NYT is a pool of tootin'.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2025 01:31 PM (dGCAG)
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TIKTOK challenge. Post video saying "pool of tootin" ten times fast.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 08, 2025 01:37 PM (MXrgX)

101 NYT: Zelensky's Government "Sabotaged Oversight, Allowing Corruption to Fester"

Why is this coming out now? What are they trying to get ahead of?

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 08, 2025 01:37 PM (0N4FZ)

102 101 NYT: Zelensky's Government "Sabotaged Oversight, Allowing Corruption to Fester"

Why is this coming out now? What are they trying to get ahead of?

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 08, 2025 01:37 PM (0N4FZ)

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Joe's Momma.

She slow, but she determined.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:38 PM (GBKbO)

103 First!!

Posted by: The New York Times at December 08, 2025 01:38 PM (n3Yud)

104 Is the Maverick's funeral still going?
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 08, 2025 01:26 PM (7XNVR)
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Yes. The Cheneys were only "playing through".
Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2025 01:29 PM (krQz2)

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Apropos since -- after the hunting accident -- Cheney's friends started yelling "FOUR!" whenever he pointed his shotgun at something.

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant at December 08, 2025 01:38 PM (zhQow)

105 You’re a Jewish Family.
In France.
And you hire a muzzie to be your nanny.

I mean what did you expect would happen?

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 08, 2025 01:37 PM (SQJLY)
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This is a super big problem in Israel. Not nannies but low wage employment in general.

We have learned nothing over the decades.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 08, 2025 01:39 PM (MXrgX)

106 That was my initial instinct. The wildcard is how effective Trump is, and he has proven at times to be very much so. Z did a public FU to him and there is no way Trump forgot.

well another card to look at is PDJT's recent post re: the EU.

it was wait not a post - it was in that "state of the thing" doc he just released? it was extremely harsh on the EU

this is ALL related. and the NYT is part of the shadow govt still. they are doing the shadow IC/globalist bidding here.

total mess.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 08, 2025 01:39 PM (emBoF)

107 89-point 1 for the win.

Posted by: connected and litigious at December 08, 2025 01:39 PM (cS1cw)

108 So, are we removing the Ukrainian flag from our online profiles now?

I dunno. Do Venezuelan drug cartels have flags to replace them with?

Posted by: Oddbob at December 08, 2025 01:39 PM (3nLb4)

109 >>Because Ukraine is defending Europe from Russian attacks.

Presses 'X' to Doubt.
Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2025 01:20 PM (TR2dy)

The first thing I always do when defending myself from Russian attacks is add 4 nations with about 1000 miles of open undefended borders with Russia to the alliance and no armies to defend them - Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Finland.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2025 01:39 PM (8avO+)

110 Just since Russia's "full-scale invasion in February 2022," the U.S. has allocated approximately $182.8 billion in total emergency funding for Ukraine and related regional support.

Was Z told to stop netflixing weekly attacks on Kiev and start accounting for what's been disbursed to his nation?

Can the US Congress account for the difference between funds "allocated" and funds "disbursed" as cash, equipment, or services to the Ukraine including how much has been funneled to WW non-profit foundations, etc.?
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OTOH, if we're heading towards socialism, less $ for military action and more for civil societies.

As Orson wrote above, the EU is not an ally.

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at December 08, 2025 01:39 PM (NFX2v)

111 Z is just a clown

he's nothing

plays a part

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 08, 2025 01:39 PM (emBoF)

112 Know islham, no peace.

No islham, know peace.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 08, 2025 01:39 PM (Zz0t1)

113 I seem to recall reading that "solid, lifelong security guarantee" a while ago. If memory serves, it was full of weasel words that more or less said "we promise to really, really advocate for your security and to feel really bad if the Red Army smashes you to a pulp."

Shoulda kept the nukes...

Posted by: PabloD at December 08, 2025 01:40 PM (QDulm)

114 Da, I come to you with my hat in my hand for spare change to buy food and drink for my people.

Posted by: Comrade Zelenskyy at December 08, 2025 01:40 PM (1zOXE)

115 Z is just a clown

he's nothing

plays a part
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 08, 2025 01:39 PM (emBoF)

He got the goldmine, we got the shaft.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 08, 2025 01:40 PM (Zz0t1)

116 113 I seem to recall reading that "solid, lifelong security guarantee" a while ago. If memory serves, it was full of weasel words that more or less said "we promise to really, really advocate for your security and to feel really bad if the Red Army smashes you to a pulp."

Shoulda kept the nukes...

Posted by: PabloD at December 08, 2025 01:40 PM (QDulm)

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"Fuck you Russia. I know these nukes actually belong to you, but we're keeping them."

It honestly might have worked in the 90s.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:40 PM (GBKbO)

117 It wasn't just the Ukes getting rich off this. They were probably getting the short end of it, as others wet their beaks.

Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at December 08, 2025 01:41 PM (MZ+PY)

118 If Putin wanted Brussels, he'd have it by now.

The EU doesn't have a toilet full of shit to resist him with.

Posted by: XTC at December 08, 2025 01:41 PM (UnA8+)

119 Related to earlier thread ?

Why on earth does somewhat be go on the internet to say ,"I'm going to poison MAGA people who come to my soul food restaurant ? " Does she think nobody noticed or cared or that everybody agreed with her?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 08, 2025 01:41 PM (rZCVI)

120 Zelensky reminds me our Hirohito: willing to fight to the last prole child.

Drop the sun on him.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 08, 2025 01:42 PM (wBaIH)

121 Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 08, 2025 01:39 PM (Zz0t1)

Sponge, I forgot to ask, how did your bachelor Thanksgiving turn out?

Posted by: Bulg at December 08, 2025 01:42 PM (77rzZ)

122 117 It wasn't just the Ukes getting rich off this. They were probably getting the short end of it, as others wet their beaks.

correct

the EU wants the war to continue to do exactly that. they want the spice to flow.

no peace with Russia!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 08, 2025 01:42 PM (emBoF)

123 Where will Germany get energy when the Soviet Orcs come a knockin?

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 08, 2025 01:42 PM (7XNVR)

124 Da, I come to you with my hat in my hand for spare change to buy food and drink for my people.
Posted by: Comrade Zelenskyy

You laugh, but I guarantee he'll go on a speaking tour with hat in hand playing the defeated but proud leader that stood up to two Empires.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2025 01:42 PM (mlg/3)

125 Any way you slice it, the reason the conflict continues is that EU has been meddling with the ultimate goal of requiring the US to take the lead, and they will attempt to profit from that involvement.

THE EU IS NOT AN ALLY.

DataRepublican has an interesting substack post noting that the EU is now behaving exactly like the Soviet bloc did with respect to free speech. George Soros (yes, that one) caused fractures in the Soviet bloc by smuggling Xerox machines into countries behind the Iron Curtain for samizdat production. And the EU is now angry at Elon's X for serving the same purpose.

Makes their performative hatred of Putin pretty funny.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 08, 2025 01:43 PM (2ocoG)

126 well another card to look at is PDJT's recent post re: the EU.

it was wait not a post - it was in that "state of the thing" doc he just released? it was extremely harsh on the EU

this is ALL related. and the NYT is part of the shadow govt still. they are doing the shadow IC/globalist bidding here.
total mess.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 08, 2025 01:39 PM (emBoF)

Russia itself does not recognize the EU as an entity to negotiate with since before the SMO. Now it looks like we don't either.

I had heard rumblings of Trump's team's western hemisphere strategy before this. The fact that all of the EU and countries there have sabotaged his peace feelers this last year didn't help them.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2025 01:43 PM (8avO+)

127 120 Zelensky reminds me our Hirohito: willing to fight to the last prole child.

Drop the sun on him.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 08, 2025 01:42 PM (wBaIH)

Zelensky is a puppet with the EU's hand up his ass.

Posted by: XTC at December 08, 2025 01:44 PM (UnA8+)

128 👏 Attention Ho.

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at December 08, 2025 01:44 PM (NFX2v)

129 nothing good can come of listening to Macaroon and Sturmer

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2025 01:44 PM (g47mK)

130
Sponge, I forgot to ask, how did your bachelor Thanksgiving turn out?
Posted by: Bulg at December 08, 2025 01:42 PM (77rzZ)

It was fine. Rednecked it up by opening the RF Awning and setting the TV out and watched the football games (OTA so no ratings were gained by them). My bud's family came over, so since my family wasn't here, a replacement one was available.

We had a good time. It was still a bit lonely, not having my wife or kid around, tho.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 08, 2025 01:45 PM (Zz0t1)

131 129 nothing good can come of listening to Macaroon and Sturmer

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2025 01:44 PM (g47mK)

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Well, Macron may have good advice on how to sleep with one's teacher.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:45 PM (GBKbO)

132 DataRepublican has an interesting substack post noting that the EU is now behaving exactly like the Soviet bloc did with respect to free speech. George Soros (yes, that one) caused fractures in the Soviet bloc by smuggling Xerox machines into countries behind the Iron Curtain for samizdat production. And the EU is now angry at Elon's X for serving the same purpose.

Makes their performative hatred of Putin pretty funny.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 08, 2025 01:43 PM (2ocoG)

Putin made that same point in one of his huge press conferences even before the war started -- that the west was becoming like the USSR and he was not happy about it.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2025 01:45 PM (8avO+)

133 I think we can just call then the EUSSR now.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at December 08, 2025 01:45 PM (YXIWM)

134 68 Is there anyone on this whole fucking planet who isn't picking our pockets?
Posted by: huerfano

I plead guilty, but would be happy to stop getting social security checks in exchange for the money I put into "The Trust Fund".

Posted by: Auspex at December 08, 2025 01:45 PM (Y8DZL)

135 Zelenskyy is a sleazebag. He should be frogmarched out behind the bunker and be presented to the firing squad for target practice.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at December 08, 2025 01:30 PM (1zOXE)

He's no more a sleaze than most everyone else in this mess. Not more than Pootin, the EU, Brits, or most American pols who have had their hands up Ukraine's arse for more than a decade.

He's just some dumb actor who was put up to pretend to act like the President of a functioning nation.

Too bad his scriptwriters were idiots.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2025 01:45 PM (dGCAG)

136 Zelensky is a puppet with the EU's hand up his ass.

lol yes

that's what I was trying to say earlier!

and btw Ukrainians think the same and have for a long time... that said they worry me and I have been trying my hardest to avoid the topic. .. they believe all the ai slop they see online .. they believe they are winning vs the Russians ...

it's painful

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 08, 2025 01:45 PM (emBoF)

137 Breaking: Water Wet, Sky Blue, Grass Green, Bears Need Charmin, Film at 11

Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 01:45 PM (xeVxQ)

138 Well, Macron may have good advice on how to sleep with one's teacher.

==

Male or female ??

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2025 01:45 PM (g47mK)

139 The Lockbox?

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 08, 2025 01:45 PM (7XNVR)

140 Because WWI and WWII were really just one conflict with a 20 year break in the middle.
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And if Teddy had won in 1912, we would have entered the war sooner, ended it sooner and WWII never happens.
But the Republican money men hated Teddy.

Instead, we got an income tax, a Great Depression and multiple, endless wars with millions killed worldwide.
And massive corporate profits.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 08, 2025 01:46 PM (HXT0k)

141 I think the WEF Biden Junta plan was to go totally electronic in currency so that the new US Digital Dollar could be devalued, seized, or otherwise stolen aka confiscated more easily by the state.
Posted by: whig

Oh, yeah! That's sooooo hot! I was totally born in the wrong century (fap fap fap)!!!

Posted by: Zombie FDR at December 08, 2025 01:46 PM (JCZqz)

142 138 Well, Macron may have good advice on how to sleep with one's teacher.

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Male or female ??

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2025 01:45 PM (g47mK)

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"I never said that Mrs. Macron was a man!"
-Candace Owens in court, soon

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:46 PM (GBKbO)

143 well another card to look at is PDJT's recent post re: the EU.

it was wait not a post - it was in that "state of the thing" doc he just released? it was extremely harsh on the EU

I didn't see that PDJT had said anything, but Rubio's undersecretary posted a really well received (by us, anyway) statement that we can't be enemies of the EU and allies of NATO because they're the same exact thing. That caused a *lot* of shrieking from female EU harridans. (But I repeat myself, everyone in charge at the EU is either female or looks like they're about to transition).

Posted by: Ian S. at December 08, 2025 01:46 PM (2ocoG)

144 140 Because WWI and WWII were really just one conflict with a 20 year break in the middle.
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And if Teddy had won in 1912, we would have entered the war sooner, ended it sooner and WWII never happens.
But the Republican money men hated Teddy.

Instead, we got an income tax, a Great Depression and multiple, endless wars with millions killed worldwide.
And massive corporate profits.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 08, 2025 01:46 PM (HXT0k)

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If Taft had won, maybe we'd never gone in at all.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:47 PM (GBKbO)

145 Does Ms Macaroon still have a penis?

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 08, 2025 01:47 PM (7XNVR)

146 "Fuck you Russia. I know these nukes actually belong to you, but we're keeping them."

It honestly might have worked in the 90s.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:40 PM (GBKbO)

The UKRs did not have the firing codes, those were all in Moscow. So there was no benefit at all of having them in country.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2025 01:47 PM (8avO+)

147 Yeah...pretty much a handshake from Clinton is supposed to tie up American national concerns forever?

How is this line persuasive to anyone?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

The herpes I got from that handshake lasted the 30 years...?

Posted by: Former Ukrainian President Kravchuk at December 08, 2025 01:48 PM (JCZqz)

148 62. I think the WEF Biden Junta plan was to go totally electronic in currency so that the new US Digital Dollar could be devalued, seized, or otherwise stolen aka confiscated more easily by the state.
Posted by: whig

👍 Yup.

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at December 08, 2025 01:48 PM (NFX2v)

149 I think people may have generally been brighter before the internet ,or at least they didn't have a bigger venue for getting out their obnoxious opinions. If you really felt like poisoning voters who didn't agree with your political opinions you kept it to yourself or your friends. I mean, the restaurant business is very difficult anyway without being a creep on top of it .

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 08, 2025 01:48 PM (PFs9e)

150 Trump should take a line from Animal House and modify it and say to Zelensky and Ukraine "you fucked up , you trusted Bill Clinton "

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 08, 2025 01:49 PM (bfwj/)

151 The woman doesn't have a restaurant. She says "if" she did.

Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 01:49 PM (xeVxQ)

152
Leaders in Keeeev even rewrote company charters

Must have been a sale on the letter e.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 08, 2025 01:49 PM (pkeXY)

153 The UKRs did not have the firing codes, those were all in Moscow. So there was no benefit at all of having them in country.

They could've been hotwired, but that introduces the problem of doing that and also being far enough away when they go off.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 08, 2025 01:49 PM (2ocoG)

154 113 I seem to recall reading that "solid, lifelong security guarantee" a while ago. If memory serves, it was full of weasel words that more or less said "we promise to really, really advocate for your security and to feel really bad if the Red Army smashes you to a pulp."

Shoulda kept the nukes...

Posted by: PabloD

That same impetus drove the US to sponsor foreign labs as the US feared scientists and labs in former East Bloc commie nations might seek employment and jobs from nasty nations like the Norks. So we sponsored labs which morphed into having those labs do things that the public health and natsec types couldn't do in the US. And which continued far longer than it should have as a provocation to Russia.

See the DoW factsheet from 2022 which understates the issue, https://tinyurl.com/mrwtxhkd

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2025 01:49 PM (WDjG6)

155 Keeeev

An understated aspect of the War on the West is the pervasive elite opinion that everyone is allowed to have their own words and pronunciations for foreign things but not Americans. "Kiev" was a perfectly cromulent English word for whatever the fuck they call it in Uke for centuries.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 08, 2025 01:51 PM (2ocoG)

156 Shoulda kept the nukes...

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There would not have been a "Ukraine" if they "kept the nukes", they'd still be part of Rooshia.

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2025 01:51 PM (g47mK)

157 we can talk about the Algerian French maid who actually tried doing the same:

https://tinyurl.com/bdk7frcw

I would just like to say that if you are in a "pay dispute" with someone, you do not continue to give them access to your food and drink.

And you don't poison people for not paying what you think you're worth. You find another damn job.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 08, 2025 01:51 PM (a+4eV)

158 that thing about the EU was in the National Security Strategy document.

it's worth looking at

fun reading (remove the space)

whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/ 12/2025-National-Security-Strategy.pdf

Posted by: BlackOrchid at December 08, 2025 01:51 PM (emBoF)

159 If Taft had won, maybe we'd never gone in at all.
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Which also would have been fine.

The whole of Europe deserved to be run by Kaiser.
Nazism never happens.

The Parisian Schools teach the Way of Wilhem instead of Masturbating to Marx.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 08, 2025 01:51 PM (HXT0k)

160 >> Shoulda kept the nukes...

That would be like North Dakota keeping 'their' nukes.

Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2025 01:51 PM (TR2dy)

161 And if Teddy had won in 1912, we would have entered the war sooner, ended it sooner and WWII never happens.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 08, 2025 01:46 PM (HXT0k)

Maybe not the European theater, but the US and Japan were bound to cross swords in the Pacific regardless.

And I think even if Imperial Germany had won, we would've found ourselves at war with it, eventually, too, either in Europe or the Pacific.

Posted by: Bulg at December 08, 2025 01:51 PM (77rzZ)

162 Shoulda kept the nukes...

That would be like North Dakota keeping 'their' nukes.
Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2025 01:51 PM (TR2dy)

well, that too, they never had them in the first place

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2025 01:52 PM (g47mK)

163 "I never said that Mrs. Macron was a man!"
-Candace Owens in court, soon
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:46 PM (GBKbO)

Doubtful.

She's right, they're lying. And whatever legal maneuvers they're trying, the last they want is for discovery to include someone seeking to get to the bottom of this.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2025 01:52 PM (dGCAG)

164 155 An understated aspect of the War on the West is the pervasive elite opinion that everyone is allowed to have their own words and pronunciations for foreign things but not Americans. "Kiev" was a perfectly cromulent English word for whatever the fuck they call it in Uke for centuries.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 08, 2025 01:51 PM (2ocoG)

If someone were to cut Zelenskyy down the middle, would butter explode out from inside of him?

Posted by: XTC at December 08, 2025 01:53 PM (UnA8+)

165 I just read a story that said the biggest villain in cinema history is Rose from Titanic.

I honestly don't understand why we invented the internet or language or bother doing things like eating to sustain ourselves.

Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 01:53 PM (xeVxQ)

166 151 The woman doesn't have a restaurant. She says "if" she did.
Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 01:49 PM (xeVxQ)

And OJ put out a book called "If I did it".

Posted by: XTC at December 08, 2025 01:53 PM (UnA8+)

167 That would be like North Dakota keeping 'their' nukes.
Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2025 01:51 PM (TR2dy)

Yeah, but nobody knows where North Dakota is.

If you have something you want to hide, put it there.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2025 01:54 PM (dGCAG)

168 Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 01:49 PM (xeVxQ

Thanks. Didn't know that. Hopefully she never will.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 08, 2025 01:54 PM (PFs9e)

169 Keeeev

An understated aspect of the War on the West is the pervasive elite opinion that everyone is allowed to have their own words and pronunciations for foreign things but not Americans. "Kiev" was a perfectly cromulent English word for whatever the fuck they call it in Uke for centuries.
Posted by: Ian S.

Trouble is, "Kiev" is the Russian version of the name, pronounced almost exactly as we pronounce it in English. Although I prefer it, I can see why those who support Ukraine would choose not to use the Russian form.

Posted by: Bulg at December 08, 2025 01:54 PM (77rzZ)

170 we can talk about the Algerian French maid who actually tried doing the same:

https://tinyurl.com/bdk7frcw

I would just like to say that if you are in a "pay dispute" with someone, you do not continue to give them access to your food and drink.

And you don't poison people for not paying what you think you're worth. You find another damn job.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 08, 2025 01:51 PM (a+4eV)
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Something fishy about that story. The maid had made anti-Semitic comments in the past, but the family kept her on? Either these are the dumbest Jews on the planet, or there's more to this story.

In fact, when I hear stories like this, that don't make a ton of sense the way they're being told, I immediately assume someone was fucking the maid.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 08, 2025 01:55 PM (iFTx/)

171 Ukraine is the country where 8-billion of US dollars just "fell" into a crevasse and was never seen again.
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Hold our beers...

Posted by: Somalia at December 08, 2025 01:55 PM (9SuJI)

172 101 NYT: Zelensky's Government "Sabotaged Oversight, Allowing Corruption to Fester"

Why is this coming out now? What are they trying to get ahead of?

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at December 08, 2025 01:37 PM (0N4FZ)

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Joe's Momma.

She slow, but she determined.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:38 PM (GBKbO)

Zelensky cancelled elections when his term ended and there is no constitutional support for him remaining in office, so Russia considers him illegitimate. And he has been key to torpedoing any serious talk about terms Russia might accept with his agreements and backtracking.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2025 01:55 PM (8avO+)

173 Keeeev

An understated aspect of the War on the West is the pervasive elite opinion that everyone is allowed to have their own words and pronunciations for foreign things but not Americans. "Kiev" was a perfectly cromulent English word for whatever the fuck they call it in Uke for centuries.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 08, 2025 01:51 PM (2ocoG)

Eh, Americans will keep their own pronunciation regardless of what the elites say. Norfolk, Nebraska will always be "Norfork" and Pierre, South Dakota will always be "Pier."

Posted by: pookysgirl knows how stubborn Midwesterners get at December 08, 2025 01:55 PM (Wt5PA)

174 I just read a story that said the biggest villain in cinema history is Rose from Titanic.

I honestly don't understand why we invented the internet or language or bother doing things like eating to sustain ourselves.
Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 01:53 PM (xeVxQ)

Yeah, that is strange.

I didn't think there was any doubt that she's cinema's greatest villain. Leave it to the internet to create controversy where there was none.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2025 01:55 PM (dGCAG)

175 I just read a story that said the biggest villain in cinema history is Rose from Titanic.

I honestly don't understand why we invented the internet or language or bother doing things like eating to sustain ourselves.
Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 01:53 PM (xeVxQ)

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No way. It's Glinda the Good Witch (the Wizard of Oz one). That bitch knew the whole time all Dorothy had to do was click her heels together.

Posted by: Jordan61 at December 08, 2025 01:55 PM (DRSnL)

176 Nazism will happen again. The zealots are already in place.

Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 01:55 PM (xeVxQ)

177 Well, Macron may have good advice on how to sleep with one's teacher.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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But more important, have the collective wisdom of the morons decided that the teacher in reality is a biological male or a female.

This is an important substantive debate we have missed about the nature of reality and media, celebrity and political power, pedo creep or true love, and can a nutjob like Candace Ovens ever be correct in any assertion or it is fruit from a very poisonous tree.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2025 01:55 PM (WDjG6)

178 169 Trouble is, "Kiev" is the Russian version of the name, pronounced almost exactly as we pronounce it in English. Although I prefer it, I can see why those who support Ukraine would choose not to use the Russian form.
Posted by: Bulg at December 08, 2025 01:54 PM (77rzZ)

Honestly, I still call it THE Ukraine, most of the time.

Posted by: XTC at December 08, 2025 01:55 PM (UnA8+)

179 >>In fact, when I hear stories like this, that don't make a ton of sense the way they're being told, I immediately assume someone was fucking the maid.

It's France. I had assumed that already.

Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2025 01:56 PM (TR2dy)

180 In fact, when I hear stories like this, that don't make a ton of sense the way they're being told, I immediately assume someone was fucking the maid.
Posted by: Elric The Blade

Probably a reasonable assumption.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 08, 2025 01:56 PM (a+4eV)

181 176 Nazism will happen again. The zealots are already in place.
Posted by: ...
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The lack of Hugo Boss uniforms might stymie them for awhile.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2025 01:56 PM (WDjG6)

182 She's right, they're lying. And whatever legal maneuvers they're trying, the last they want is for discovery to include someone seeking to get to the bottom of this.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2025 01:52 PM (dGCAG)

A cheek-swab would resolve this in about 15 minutes.
Odd it has not been resolved.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 08, 2025 01:56 PM (rbvCR)

183 And OJ put out a book called "If I did it".

Posted by: XTC at December 08, 2025 01:53 PM (UnA8+)

Shit, good point.

Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 01:56 PM (xeVxQ)

184 Trouble is, "Kiev" is the Russian version of the name, pronounced almost exactly as we pronounce it in English. Although I prefer it, I can see why those who support Ukraine would choose not to use the Russian form.
Posted by: Bulg at December 08, 2025 01:54 PM (77rzZ)

Always a bad sign when governments start renaming everything. It hardly helps Ukraine solidarity to dump the name it has had since 800 AD.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2025 01:56 PM (8avO+)

185 Chicken Keeeeeeeve.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 08, 2025 01:57 PM (7XNVR)

186 Something fishy about that story. The maid had made anti-Semitic comments in the past, but the family kept her on? Either these are the dumbest Jews on the planet, or there's more to this story.

In fact, when I hear stories like this, that don't make a ton of sense the way they're being told, I immediately assume someone was fucking the maid.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 08, 2025 01:55 PM (iFTx/)

How many jews voted for that fucking jerkoff mamdani?

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 08, 2025 01:57 PM (snZF9)

187 And I think even if Imperial Germany had won, we would've found ourselves at war with it, eventually, too, either in Europe or the Pacific.
---
The original brother fuckers were well past the "competence" stage.

They would have been endlessly tied down trying to just keep their empire together.

But then, the whiny poofers of the Union Jack would have been endlessly agitating to instigate a war to drag us into.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 08, 2025 01:57 PM (HXT0k)

188 Honestly, I still call it THE Ukraine, most of the time.

Posted by: XTC at December 08, 2025 01:55 PM (UnA8+)

You'll be hearing from our lawyers.

Posted by: THE Ohio State University at December 08, 2025 01:57 PM (Zz0t1)

189 @175 Glinda was selling weapons to the flying monkeys

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 08, 2025 01:57 PM (bfwj/)

190 I just read a story that said the biggest villain in cinema history is Rose from Titanic.

That's pretty mild on the scale of reframings of that movie.

Try "Rose was married for 50+ years but never got over the one time Chad gave her multiple Os in a cargo hold".

Posted by: Ian S. at December 08, 2025 01:57 PM (2ocoG)

191
How many jews voted for that fucking jerkoff mamdani?
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 08, 2025 01:57 PM (snZF9)

Most of them.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 08, 2025 01:57 PM (Zz0t1)

192 No way. It's Glinda the Good Witch (the Wizard of Oz one). That bitch knew the whole time all Dorothy had to do was click her heels together.
Posted by: Jordan61

Yeah, Glinda was a bitch. Deliberately putting Dorothy and danger and then not telling her how to get out of it.

It was her op to take out the Wicked Witch of the West.

Posted by: Bulg at December 08, 2025 01:58 PM (77rzZ)

193 No it's Nancy from Nightmare on Elm Street because she dreamed Freddy. I mean what are we doing here people and why.

Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 01:58 PM (xeVxQ)

194 165 I just read a story that said the biggest villain in cinema history is Rose from Titanic.

I honestly don't understand why we invented the internet or language or bother doing things like eating to sustain ourselves.
Posted by: ...
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Did the Titanic sink because of an inability for Rose to parallel park? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2025 01:58 PM (WDjG6)

195 193 No it's Nancy from Nightmare on Elm Street because she dreamed Freddy. I mean what are we doing here people and why.

Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 01:58 PM (xeVxQ)

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Tina's death is the best in the whole series.

Happens at minute 20 of the first movie.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:58 PM (GBKbO)

196 Hunter is tanned and rested.

Posted by: torabora at December 08, 2025 01:59 PM (G0EVE)

197 There was a spider. They hit an iceberg.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 08, 2025 01:59 PM (7XNVR)

198 She's right, they're lying. And whatever legal maneuvers they're trying, the last they want is for discovery to include someone seeking to get to the bottom of this.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2025 01:52 PM (dGCAG)

A cheek-swab would resolve this in about 15 minutes.
Odd it has not been resolved.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 08, 2025 01:56 PM (rbvCR)

The Macaronis won't dignify the accusation by doing something as simple as a DNA test.

No, they'll traverse the world, engage in lawfare, and try to hide Brigitte's penis when she's boxing "her" husband in public.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2025 01:59 PM (dGCAG)

199 Honestly, I still call it THE Ukraine, most of the time.
Posted by: XTC

That one's not a big deal to me, since neither Russian nor Ukrainian has articles.

Posted by: Bulg at December 08, 2025 01:59 PM (77rzZ)

200 189 @175 Glinda was selling weapons to the flying monkeys
Posted by: Smell the Glove
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They were the sons she never had.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2025 01:59 PM (WDjG6)

201 Honestly, I still call it THE Ukraine, most of the time.
Posted by: XTC at December 08, 2025 01:55 PM (UnA8+)

To clarify, Ukraine is the nation, The Ukraine is the landform that gives the fertile plains and steppe, which is shared between Ukraine and Russia. So parts of Ukraine are not in The Ukraine, such as the mountains of Carpathia and Galicia, the Pripet Marshes on the north, etc.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2025 01:59 PM (8avO+)

202 The only place more corrupt than Ukraine is Minnesota.

Posted by: wth at December 08, 2025 01:59 PM (v0R5T)

203 193 No it's Nancy from Nightmare on Elm Street because she dreamed Freddy. I mean what are we doing here people and why.
Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 01:58 PM (xeVxQ)

On that note, why couldn't John Saxon have curbstomped Freddy with his Enter the Dragon shit?

Posted by: XTC at December 08, 2025 01:59 PM (UnA8+)

204 Tina's death is the best in the whole series.

Happens at minute 20 of the first movie.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 01:58 PM (GBKbO)

I don't know. Zsa Zsa being killed by Dick Cavett is inspired.

Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 01:59 PM (xeVxQ)

205 At least Rose couldn't vote.

Posted by: torabora at December 08, 2025 02:00 PM (G0EVE)

206 Unrelated, seen on X this weekend, former Dems who are in no ways contributing money to the Democratic party, find out that they are on record "contributing to the Democratic party" according to Act Blew.

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2025 02:00 PM (krQz2)

207 So parts of Ukraine are not in The Ukraine, such as the mountains of Carpathia and Galicia, the Pripet Marshes on the north, etc.

"Oh, now *I'm* Ukrainian too?" - Vigo the Carpathian

Posted by: Ian S. at December 08, 2025 02:00 PM (2ocoG)

208 I just read a story that said the biggest villain in cinema history is Rose from Titanic.
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women still think that movie is an aspirational love story.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 08, 2025 02:00 PM (HXT0k)

209 How many jews voted for that fucking jerkoff mamdani?

Most of them.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 08, 2025 01:57 PM (Zz0t1)

Are you betting man ?

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2025 02:00 PM (g47mK)

210 The Ukraine is as fake as Poland. Imaginary countries.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 08, 2025 02:01 PM (7XNVR)

211 We all know the sinking of the Titanic was engineered by Mollie Brown, so she could make bank on that musical about it.

Posted by: Bulg at December 08, 2025 02:01 PM (77rzZ)

212 Jews sank the Titanic.

https://youtube.com/shorts/Xuytdzrr280

Posted by: I thought everybody knew that at December 08, 2025 02:01 PM (NMvyP)

213 Did the Titanic sink because of an inability for Rose to parallel park? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: whig at December 08, 2025 01:58 PM (WDjG6)

The structure of the movie allows you to claim that Jack and Rose making out distracted the lookouts from the iceberg.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2025 02:01 PM (8avO+)

214 @195 TJM I always thought Amanda Wyss was hot . Never went far though

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 08, 2025 02:01 PM (bfwj/)

215 The Macaronis won't dignify the accusation by doing something as simple as a DNA test.

No, they'll traverse the world, engage in lawfare, and try to hide Brigitte's penis when she's boxing "her" husband in public.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2025 01:59 PM (dGCAG)

I thought there was a DNA test and Candace dismissed it?

Posted by: pookysgirl, taking a peek down the rabbit hole at December 08, 2025 02:01 PM (Wt5PA)

216 "If Putin wanted Brussels, he'd have it by now.
The EU doesn't have a toilet full of shit to resist him with."

Putin doesn't want most of Europe, too many Muslims there.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 08, 2025 02:01 PM (vbXSk)

217 a nutjob like Candace Ovens ever be correct in any assertion or it is fruit from a very poisonous tree.
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Is insanity a defense to defamation????? Cause then some of her more recent comments start to make sense. Otherwise, that chick needs help.

Posted by: Somalia at December 08, 2025 02:01 PM (9SuJI)

218 The only place more corrupt than Ukraine is Minnesota.
Posted by: wth
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Hold my beer.

Posted by: Somalia and Venezuela at December 08, 2025 02:02 PM (2bFN5)

219 How many jews voted for that fucking jerkoff mamdani?
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 08, 2025 01:57 PM (snZF9)

What's worse are all those "working class" New Yakkers who voted for him, only to be told the first time he was asked about giving jobs back to those who refused the jab "Nah, bro."

Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2025 02:02 PM (dGCAG)

220 The only place more corrupt than Ukraine is Minnesota.
Posted by: wth at December 08, 2025 01:59 PM (v0R5T)

What, no Chicago?

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2025 02:02 PM (8avO+)

221 If obly Leo de Crappio could have died more than once.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 08, 2025 02:02 PM (7XNVR)

222
Are you betting man ?
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2025 02:00 PM (g47mK)

Nope. Not my thing.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 08, 2025 02:03 PM (Zz0t1)

223 I read in the NY Post that something like 1/3 of Jewish voters voted for Mamdani. A caliphate just hasn't been done right yet

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 08, 2025 02:03 PM (bfwj/)

224 But then, the whiny poofers of the Union Jack would have been endlessly agitating to instigate a war to drag us into.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 08, 2025 01:57 PM (HXT0k)

---------------

[Just heard about this -- along with some of the details -- listening to talk radio this morning:]

"President Donald Trump's administration released the 2025 National Security Strategy (NSS) on December 4, 2025, outlining a comprehensive foreign policy vision centered on the "America First" doctrine."

One commentator referred to it as "filing for a national divorce from" Europe (or maybe just Western Europe?).

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant at December 08, 2025 02:03 PM (zhQow)

225 Perhaps they should change their name to Yesterday's News.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 08, 2025 02:03 PM (0U5gm)

226 Who even takes the "story" of Titanic seriously enough to even imagine this stuff? Like critiquing a Hustler article. You are there to watch people crushed by a giant ship and hopefully drowning. That's it.

Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 02:03 PM (xeVxQ)

227 New York needs a wall.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 08, 2025 02:04 PM (7XNVR)

228 Nope. Not my thing.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 08, 2025 02:03 PM (Zz0t1)

Too bad. That was such a sure thing. *Sigh

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2025 02:04 PM (g47mK)

229 The Macaronis won't dignify the accusation by doing something as simple as a DNA test.

No, they'll traverse the world, engage in lawfare, and try to hide Brigitte's penis when she's boxing "her" husband in public.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2025 01:59 PM (dGCAG)

The submitted a photo of a stunt snizz, instead, claiming it is hers. Which is somehow "less degrading" than a DNA swab?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2025 02:04 PM (npFr7)

230 Yeah, Glinda was a bitch. Deliberately putting Dorothy and danger and then not telling her how to get out of it.

It was her op to take out the Wicked Witch of the West.
Posted by: Bulg at December 08, 2025 01:58 PM (77rzZ)

There was no Glinda! All of it was a flippity floppin' dream.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2025 02:04 PM (dGCAG)

231 Keeeev
......

Eventually Putin will want to rename this place.

Posted by: wth at December 08, 2025 02:04 PM (v0R5T)

232 Walking arm trebuchet.

https://tinyurl.com/msxud6ja

The one they used on facebook reels used cast iron brake rotors for counterweights and threw a flaming ball 100yds.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2025 02:04 PM (9bIJg)

233 Unrelated, seen on X this weekend, former Dems who are in no ways contributing money to the Democratic party, find out that they are on record "contributing to the Democratic party" according to Act Blew.
Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2025 02:00 PM (krQz2)

Money laundering. Just like what the NGOs do, mostly. Been known for a few years now.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2025 02:04 PM (8avO+)

234 You are there to watch people crushed by a giant ship and hopefully drowning. That's it.

That's a very long-winded misspelling of "Kate Winslet's boobs".

Posted by: Ian S. at December 08, 2025 02:05 PM (2ocoG)

235 >>>Yeah, but nobody knows where North Dakota is.

If you have something you want to hide, put it there.

so you're saying it's a great place for thousands of Somalians?? done!

Posted by: Lutheran Charities at December 08, 2025 02:05 PM (jGJov)

236 New York needs a wall.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 08, 2025 02:04 PM (7XNVR)

Facing which way?

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2025 02:05 PM (8avO+)

237 Afternoon.

Posted by: Robert, The Love Walrus at December 08, 2025 02:05 PM (xt2dn)

238 We never got a Titanic sequel.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 08, 2025 02:05 PM (7XNVR)

239 238 We never got a Titanic sequel.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 08, 2025 02:05 PM (7XNVR)

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False.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKn-NdqSkU4

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 02:06 PM (GBKbO)

240 The Kaiser was never going to try to hold all of France. He did accomplish his primary goal: severing the alliance of the Russian Empire to the Western states. He might have tried to slice off Flemish Belgium permanently and add one or two of the eastern French provinces. He was tied to two disintegrating empires; wonder how he would have treated the Hapsburg territories if, e.g, the Czechs had thrown the Austrians out.

Posted by: Nazdar at December 08, 2025 02:06 PM (NcvvS)

241 Has anybody ever made a movie about the Lusitania?

Posted by: Bulg at December 08, 2025 02:06 PM (77rzZ)

242 That's a very long-winded misspelling of "Kate Winslet's boobs".

Posted by: Ian S. at December 08, 2025 02:05 PM (2ocoG)

There MUST be an easier way.

Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 02:07 PM (xeVxQ)

243 Unrelated, seen on X this weekend, former Dems who are in no ways contributing money to the Democratic party, find out that they are on record "contributing to the Democratic party" according to Act Blew.

Posted by: Axeman at December 08, 2025 02:00 PM (krQz2)

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Along with half of Beijing.

/only half-joking

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant at December 08, 2025 02:07 PM (zhQow)

244 No one calls me Beijing Duck.

Posted by: Peking Duck at December 08, 2025 02:07 PM (Dv3i1)

245 NYT: Zelensky's Government "Sabotaged Oversight, Allowing Corruption to Fester"

-
And people drive around his house shouting that he's a retard.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 08, 2025 02:07 PM (L/fGl)

246 So they blame all the Uke money laundering/theft on Zelensky (he'll never see a courtroom), and let all the dems, gOpeS, and NGO bureaucrats skate. Am I right?

Posted by: Eromero at December 08, 2025 02:08 PM (LHPAg)

247 women still think that movie is an aspirational love story.
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Yeah so. So is pretty woman and fifty shades of grey. And the horse whisperer. wake me when bestiality romance centaur milking farm wins an oscar and then ill be surprised.

Posted by: Not Joe Bob Briggs at December 08, 2025 02:08 PM (9SuJI)

248 This is all just a distraction (Russian Disinformation) from the REAL scandal rocking the world: You Can't Hit A Narco-Terrorist Drug Smuggling Boat Twice-Gate.

Posted by: Blast Hardcheese at December 08, 2025 02:08 PM (V362x)

249 The only place more corrupt than Ukraine is Minnesota.
Posted by: wth at December 08, 2025 01:59 PM (v0R5T)

What, no Chicago?
Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2025 02:02 PM (8avO+)
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Oh, there's a "place" that's more corrupt than Ukraine and Minnesota - combined.

It's the dog on this Big Blue Marble that isn't barking.

China.

China is going critical, and the Globalists suddenly realized that it's time to wrap up the sideshows.

Posted by: mrp at December 08, 2025 02:08 PM (rj6Yv)

250 >>>The final humiliation? Make him wear a suit and tie instead of those grubby clothes he normally comes begging in.

Posted by: hobbitopoly

>Maybe he could shave his fucking face once in a while too.

T-shirts and a permanent 5 o'clock shadow. Who does he think he is, Simon Cowell?

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at December 08, 2025 02:08 PM (1zOXE)

251 Who even takes the "story" of Titanic seriously enough to even imagine this stuff? Like critiquing a Hustler article. You are there to watch people crushed by a giant ship and hopefully drowning. That's it.
Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 02:03 PM (xeVxQ)

Pretty sure "A Night to Remember" had a lot of small stories about real people instead of one about a woman from the 1990s time traveled back to 1912.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2025 02:08 PM (8avO+)

252 We never got a Titanic sequel.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 08, 2025 02:05 PM (7XNVR)

Instead, the endless Blue People Cinematic Universe.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2025 02:09 PM (dGCAG)

253 108 So, are we removing the Ukrainian flag from our online profiles now?

I dunno. Do Venezuelan drug cartels have flags to replace them with?
Posted by: Oddbob at December 08, 2025 01:39 PM (3nLb4)

Get in line asshole.
- Somali Flag

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 08, 2025 02:09 PM (SQJLY)

254 Instead, the endless Blue People Cinematic Universe.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2025 02:09 PM (dGCAG)

"Planet of the Smurfs"

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2025 02:09 PM (npFr7)

255 Avatar backwards is Ratavar

Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 02:10 PM (xeVxQ)

256 The 10,000 Spartans would have been a better movie. When 90,000 Persians perished in a day.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 08, 2025 02:11 PM (7XNVR)

257 I’ve never seen avatar.
There I said it.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 08, 2025 02:11 PM (SQJLY)

258 Yeah so. So is pretty woman and fifty shades of grey. And the horse whisperer. wake me when bestiality romance centaur milking farm wins an oscar and then ill be surprised.
Posted by: Not Joe Bob Briggs at December 08, 2025 02:08 PM (9SuJI)

well lets see from Titanic to Twilight was 15 years or so. 50 Shades was another 10ish. Monster Milking within 5 years, looks like.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2025 02:11 PM (8avO+)

259 Avatar backwards is Ratavar
Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 02:10 PM

Woah!

Posted by: Ted "Theodore" Logan at December 08, 2025 02:11 PM (bFu5X)

260 My late MiL was a huge fan of all things Titanic. Don't think she saw the DiCaprio/Winslet movie, or would have approved of it if she did.

Posted by: Bulg at December 08, 2025 02:11 PM (77rzZ)

261 I’ve never seen avatar.
There I said it.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 08, 2025 02:11 PM (SQJLY)

I would hope most here have not.

Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 02:11 PM (xeVxQ)

262 I think this is a necessary concession that they are making in exchange for continued American support. It's about time. Hopefully this shows a more profound shift (a pro-Trump alignment).
Also, in the former Soviet Union, Burisma does you.

Posted by: PG at December 08, 2025 02:12 PM (7B6QP)

263 Keeeev
......

Eventually Putin will want to rename this place.

Posted by: wth at December 08, 2025 02:04 PM (v0R5T)

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If he renamed it Reeeev, then we could call people from there Reeeevers.

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant at December 08, 2025 02:12 PM (FiYal)

264 women still think that movie is an aspirational love story.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 08, 2025 02:00 PM (HXT0k)

So was MacBeth.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 08, 2025 02:12 PM (rbvCR)

265 An understated aspect of the War on the West is the pervasive elite opinion that everyone is allowed to have their own words and pronunciations for foreign things but not Americans. "Kiev" was a perfectly cromulent English word for whatever the fuck they call it in Uke for centuries.

Posted by: Ian S.

I dare you to say that while in Deutschland.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 08, 2025 02:12 PM (0U5gm)

266 No one calls me Chicken Keev

Posted by: Chicken Kiev at December 08, 2025 02:13 PM (Dv3i1)

267 We never got a Titanic sequel.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 08, 2025 02:05 PM (7XNVR)

Instead, the endless Blue People Cinematic Universe.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2025 02:09 PM (dGCAG)

prequel, that's where the action is! Lets see how Rose and Jack's parents got on in 1895.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2025 02:13 PM (8avO+)

268 My late MiL was a huge fan of all things Titanic. Don't think she saw the DiCaprio/Winslet movie, or would have approved of it if she did.
Posted by: Bulg at December 08, 2025 02:11 PM

I always liked the t-shirt that said "It sank. Get over it."

That and the novelty Titanic and iceberg ice mold a friend got me.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 08, 2025 02:13 PM (bFu5X)

269 China is going critical, and the Globalists suddenly realized that it's time to wrap up the sideshows.
Posted by: mrp
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Seeing some of the economic news out of there. Not good.

Also notice the downward enshittification of Amazon products from China recently which means profit margins are disappearing for exporters over there.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2025 02:13 PM (WDjG6)

270 The Titanic expanded universe.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 08, 2025 02:14 PM (7XNVR)

271 I've seen Avatar and I can recall an interesting thing about it. And I like me some Sci Fi

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 08, 2025 02:14 PM (bfwj/)

272 270 The Titanic expanded universe.
___

10,000 Leagues Under the Sea

Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 08, 2025 02:14 PM (Dv3i1)

273 First person to connect Titanic and Ukraine effectively wins

Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 02:14 PM (xeVxQ)

274 My late MiL was a huge fan of all things Titanic. Don't think she saw the DiCaprio/Winslet movie, or would have approved of it if she did.
Posted by: Bulg at December 08, 2025 02:11 PM (77rzZ)

My mother dismissed it because unmarried woman Rose was wearing lipstick like a hussy.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2025 02:14 PM (8avO+)

275 Giant blue smurfs that do it with their horses.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 08, 2025 02:15 PM (7XNVR)

276
It would have wiser to pull up all the money going to Ukraine and pile it all up and burn it on live TV.

Posted by: Frank Barone at December 08, 2025 02:15 PM (IifOV)

277 I dare you to say that while in Deutschland.

Deutschland is busy trying to find Franklin the Turtle so they can arrest him.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 08, 2025 02:15 PM (2ocoG)

278 China is imploding on a lot of fronts. Population decreasing , continued outbreaks of diseases, bad vaccines and a completely corrupt ass backwards government. What could go wrong

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 08, 2025 02:16 PM (bfwj/)

279 BREAKING: Alina Habba Resigns as US attorney for New Jersey.

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant at December 08, 2025 02:16 PM (FiYal)

280
I would hope most here have not.
Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 02:11 PM (xeVxQ)

I have not. But then again, I've thought hollywood shit for a long time, so the list of movies I've actually seen isn't very long, starting somewhere in 2000's.

Last movie I saw in the theater was American Sniper. Before that, it was Catch Me if You Can.

Anything else was either on an airplane flying overseas or something the wife wanted to see. Nothing has impressed me from a movie standpoint in a LONG time.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 08, 2025 02:16 PM (Zz0t1)

281 Has anybody ever made a movie about the Lusitania?

Posted by: Bulg

No, but there have been three new books on it in the past 4-5 years.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 08, 2025 02:16 PM (0U5gm)

282 Breaking: Titanic Not Unsinkable

Posted by: New York Times at December 08, 2025 02:16 PM (xeVxQ)

283 The Titanic expanded universe.
___

10,000 Leagues Under the Sea
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 08, 2025 02:14 PM (Dv3i1)

There's a Japanese anime that links steampunk, 20000 leagues under the sea, and contending alien groups that have been around since Noah.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2025 02:16 PM (8avO+)

284 Who do they think they are fooling? The Ukraine has long been known as one of the most corrupted countries on the planet. That’s one big reason why anyone sane who might remain in our government were not persuaded by the usual suspects arguing “we need to give them eleventy gazillion dollars to protect freedom and democracy”

What a bunch of fucking clowns

Posted by: Common Tater at December 08, 2025 02:17 PM (hoi0O)

285 238 We never got a Titanic sequel.

Posted by: Boss Moss at December 08, 2025 02:05 PM

The Titanic Prequel will be out this fall. Its a 3 season series about the forming of the iceberg from a glass of water originally dumped out by a Ukranian freighter in 1911.

Posted by: Frank Barone at December 08, 2025 02:17 PM (IifOV)

286 171 Ukraine is the country where 8-billion of US dollars just "fell" into a crevasse and was never seen again.
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Hold our beers...
Posted by: Somalia at December 08, 2025 01:55 PM (9SuJI)

The Somalis got it the old-fashioned way. They stole it. Ukraine had it handed to them.

Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at December 08, 2025 02:18 PM (MZ+PY)

287 If wymyn ruled the world . . .

Jennifer Welch: "[Erika Kirk] is a grifter. Just look at the costume changes. It’s wild. This woman should be kicked to the curb. She is an absolute grifter just like Donald Trump and just like her unrepentant racist homophobic husband was."

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 08, 2025 02:18 PM (L/fGl)

288 No, but there have been three new books on it in the past 4-5 years.
Posted by: Thomas Paine

Really? Do you know the titles? I would love to read an in-depth (no pun intended) account of it.

Supposedly there were munitions aboard that ship, bound for England.

Posted by: Bulg at December 08, 2025 02:18 PM (77rzZ)

289 I've never seen Avatar, either.

Posted by: Jordan61 at December 08, 2025 02:18 PM (DRSnL)

290 So now that globalism is tanking & Trump is showing them up again, it's time to for the globalists to throw Zelensky & his cronies under the tank. I said that would happen earlier this year when His Kievness rejected Trump's peace deal in the White House. Ukraine will now find out what fleeting friends Western "democracies" can be when the interests no longer align.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2025 02:18 PM (XjTSo)

291 Jennifer Welch: "[Erika Kirk] is a grifter. Just look at the costume changes. It’s wild. This woman should be kicked to the curb. She is an absolute grifter just like Donald Trump and just like her unrepentant racist homophobic husband was."
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 08, 2025 02:18 PM (L/fGl)

Hooz bish dis iz?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 08, 2025 02:18 PM (Zz0t1)

292 Seeing some of the economic news out of there. Not good.

Also notice the downward enshittification of Amazon products from China recently which means profit margins are disappearing for exporters over there.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2025 02:13 PM (WDjG6)
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Japanese and PRC aircraft are locking radars on each other over contested waters.

Posted by: mrp at December 08, 2025 02:18 PM (rj6Yv)

293 >>Has anybody ever made a movie about the Lusitania?

Just a Seinfeld Episode.

Posted by: garrett at December 08, 2025 02:18 PM (TR2dy)

294 No way. It's Glinda the Good Witch (the Wizard of Oz one). That bitch knew the whole time all Dorothy had to do was click her heels together.
Posted by: Jordan61 at December 08, 2025 01:55 PM

She manipulated Dorothy to eliminate her chief rival.

Posted by: toby928(c) at December 08, 2025 02:18 PM (ZB0nS)

295 The Kaiser was never going to try to hold all of France. He did accomplish his primary goal: severing the alliance of the Russian Empire to the Western states. He might have tried to slice off Flemish Belgium permanently and add one or two of the eastern French provinces. He was tied to two disintegrating empires; wonder how he would have treated the Hapsburg territories if, e.g, the Czechs had thrown the Austrians out.
Posted by: Nazdar at December 08, 2025 02:06 PM (NcvvS)

Probably would have tried to create a Mitteleuropa of the baltic through Balkan states as a Second Holy Roman empire, each statelette as its own princedom

Posted by: Kindltot at December 08, 2025 02:19 PM (rbvCR)

296 The list of movies I haven't seen is longer than the list of those I have at this point.

Posted by: Bulg at December 08, 2025 02:19 PM (77rzZ)

297 Yeah so. So is pretty woman and fifty shades of grey. And the horse whisperer. wake me when bestiality romance centaur milking farm wins an oscar and then ill be surprised.
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Every major modern "romantic" movie involves the woman cheating on her husband/boyfriend.

Yet, every modern woman IRL becomes incandescent at "he cheated on me!!"

No, I don't think you have a problem with infidelity, what you have is a problem with men's infidelity.
You, however, are ... pro-choice.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 08, 2025 02:19 PM (HXT0k)

298 Because when I want to know about how to feel about someone, I go to an interior f*cking decorator.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 08, 2025 02:19 PM (Zz0t1)

299 One commentator referred to it as "filing for a national divorce from" Europe (or maybe just Western Europe?).
Posted by: ShainS
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Commander Salamander had a better take today on his substack (access through Insty pundit this morning). Document is not long (32-33 pgs IIRC) but I'd recommend reading it.

Parts of it I have read seem well written, persuasive, and real politik rather than bloviating. Instead of the bleatings, the document is more that the Trump administration is anti Euro governments than its people are and arguing that Euroland must accept burdens for their own ground defense and that the EU has become schlerotic and an anchor on EU countries economies to support those burdens. It also dings them on accepting the influx of illegals that are destabilizing Euro states.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2025 02:19 PM (WDjG6)

300 296 The list of movies I haven't seen is longer than the list of those I have at this point.

Posted by: Bulg at December 08, 2025 02:19 PM (77rzZ)

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Same.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 02:19 PM (GBKbO)

301 President Don Black would end this war in 24 hours

(at least our part in it)

He would simply turn the money off, and tell Europe to take over.

It's their continent, their problem. We have our hands full here.

Posted by: Don Black at December 08, 2025 02:19 PM (ZxPkt)

302 215 The Macaronis won't dignify the accusation by doing something as simple as a DNA test.

No, they'll traverse the world, engage in lawfare, and try to hide Brigitte's penis when she's boxing "her" husband in public.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 08, 2025 01:59 PM (dGCAG)

I thought there was a DNA test and Candace dismissed it?

it just proved that the dna testers were in the pocket of big macaroni.

Posted by: anachronda at December 08, 2025 02:19 PM (sGtp+)

303 translated from French: @VirginiePerez15 . 5:00

Starmer welcomes Zelensky, Merz and Macron to Downing Street to avoid Peace at all costs. No problem, History will move forward without them.

These 4 men have one thing in common that unites them forever: they have bankrupted their countries.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 08, 2025 02:20 PM (kf2Bq)

304 *peeks in*

Fester? fester??!!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 08, 2025 02:20 PM (oT3jI)

305 >>Has anybody ever made a movie about the Lusitania?

Just a Seinfeld Episode.

That was the Andrea Doria

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at December 08, 2025 02:20 PM (YXIWM)

306 Last week I watched a movie called The Cat. 1992 Hong Kong movie. Batshit crazy. It's like the retarded offspring of the John Carpenter The Thing, the 80s remake of The Blob, and an 80s John Woo shoot-em-up, with a bunch of aliens (one in the form of a cat) and some really sketchy effects.

It won't be reviewed by TJM because nobody in suits sitting in front of walls of DVDs and sipping tea with his pinky extended would ever watch a movie like this. But The Blade does.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 08, 2025 02:21 PM (iFTx/)

307 She manipulated Dorothy to eliminate her chief rival.
Posted by: toby928(c)

Yep.

Also, the Munchkins did not look as though they had been oppressed. They looked pretty-fed and prosperous to me. The Witch of the East obviously sucked at that whole "wicked" thing.

Posted by: Bulg at December 08, 2025 02:21 PM (77rzZ)

308 Same.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 02:19 PM (GBKbO)

I continue to rack up unwatched movies the way Zelensky racks up graft $$$.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2025 02:21 PM (npFr7)

309 283 The Titanic expanded universe.
___

10,000 Leagues Under the Sea
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 08, 2025 02:14 PM (Dv3i1)

There's a Japanese anime that links steampunk, 20000 leagues under the sea, and contending alien groups that have been around since Noah.
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Hell yes!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa_UiTwZTRY

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2025 02:21 PM (XjTSo)

310 The lack of Hugo Boss uniforms might stymie them for awhile.
Posted by: whig

Stymie don't got no uniform, but I got a nice bowler hat Stan Laurel gave me.

Posted by: Matthew "Stymie" Beard at December 08, 2025 02:21 PM (oftw2)

311 Yet Another Story where the Headline should be "Yeah, everything you guys were saying for the last 5 years was true, and everything we said was a lie. Can we just be friends now?"

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2025 02:21 PM (uWKK8)

312 Titanic related:

"The Democrats and the national media want you to believe that two “fishermen” survived a first strike on their drug-laden speedboat and were then floating in the water helplessly like Rose and Jack at the end of “Titanic,” and we gunned them down as helpless victims and in violation of the Geneva Conventions."

From an article defending Pete Hegseth at website "American Greatness."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 08, 2025 02:21 PM (m6Eem)

313 It would have wiser to pull up all the money going to Ukraine and pile it all up and burn it on live TV.

Posted by: Frank Barone at December 08, 2025 02:15 PM

With Z bound on top.

Posted by: toby928(c) at December 08, 2025 02:21 PM (ZB0nS)

314 New York needs a wall.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 08, 2025 02:04 PM (7XNVR)

Facing which way?

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2025 02:05 PM (8avO+)

The side that says "front towards enemy" needs to face in.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 08, 2025 02:21 PM (snZF9)

315 > I've never seen Avatar, either.
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it's fairly ridiculous

Posted by: Don Black at December 08, 2025 02:21 PM (ZxPkt)

316 Japanese and PRC aircraft are locking radars on each other over contested waters.
Posted by: mrp
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Wife mentioned that last night. Then again, they purposefully buggered up one of our spy planes in the GWB era forcing it to land. And the scuffle between Chinese and Indian armies in the borderlands.

Chinese military is ass hoe at times for Xi to preen about.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2025 02:22 PM (WDjG6)

317
It won't be reviewed by TJM because nobody in suits sitting in front of walls of DVDs and sipping tea with his pinky extended would ever watch a movie like this. But The Blade does.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 08, 2025 02:21 PM (iFTx/)

TJM. You see the shit this guy is talking about you, man?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 08, 2025 02:22 PM (Zz0t1)

318 So now that globalism is tanking & Trump is showing them up again, it's time to for the globalists to throw Zelensky & his cronies under the tank. I said that would happen earlier this year when His Kievness rejected Trump's peace deal in the White House. Ukraine will now find out what fleeting friends Western "democracies" can be when the interests no longer align.
Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2025 02:18 PM (XjTSo)

Problem for the leftists and globalists that they have spent a lot of time deifying Z at their own expense and having to overturn that goes against their tendencies.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2025 02:22 PM (8avO+)

319 KyivPost . 34m

President Volodymyr Zelensky emphasized that Ukraine will not consider giving up any of its territory — a position grounded in national law, international norms, and basic moral principles.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 08, 2025 02:22 PM (kf2Bq)

320 317
It won't be reviewed by TJM because nobody in suits sitting in front of walls of DVDs and sipping tea with his pinky extended would ever watch a movie like this. But The Blade does.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 08, 2025 02:21 PM (iFTx/)

TJM. You see the shit this guy is talking about you, man?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at December 08, 2025 02:22 PM (Zz0t1)

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He should see the suit I wear in my video going out on Friday.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at December 08, 2025 02:22 PM (GBKbO)

321 Nood. J5 bomber.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 08, 2025 02:22 PM (ExV1e)

322 NEW: The #FIFAWorldCup match in Seattle on June 26 had already been designated as a “Pride Match” before the fixtures were decided. Now we know the teams who will play in it… Egypt and Iran.

Both nations have draconian anti-gay laws.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 08, 2025 02:22 PM (L/fGl)

323 Yet Another Story where the Headline should be "Yeah, everything you guys were saying for the last 5 years was true, and everything we said was a lie. Can we just be friends now?"
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2025 02:21 PM

let's not bicker and argue 'bout 'oo killed 'oo.

Posted by: toby928(c) at December 08, 2025 02:23 PM (ZB0nS)

324 NOOD!

Posted by: Moonbeam at December 08, 2025 02:23 PM (rbKZ6)

325 Parts of it I have read seem well written, persuasive, and real politik rather than bloviating. Instead of the bleatings, the document is more that the Trump administration is anti Euro governments than its people are and arguing that Euroland must accept burdens for their own ground defense and that the EU has become schlerotic and an anchor on EU countries economies to support those burdens. It also dings them on accepting the influx of illegals that are destabilizing Euro states.
Posted by: whig at December 08, 2025 02:19 PM (WDjG6)

I did a quick glance of the US policy doc in question, and it mostly looked like it was just stating the obvious. Of course telling the truth has the Euro's all huffing and puffing and getting the vapors.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2025 02:25 PM (uWKK8)

326 First person to connect Titanic and Ukraine effectively wins

Posted by: ... at December 08, 2025 02:14 PM (xeVxQ)

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They both drone on?

Posted by: ShainS -- Bamboo Ruminant at December 08, 2025 02:25 PM (FiYal)

327 Oh, I see the grandma is trotting out the "autistic" excuse, too. So sick of that.

Posted by: Bulg at December 08, 2025 02:26 PM (77rzZ)

328 "The Democrats and the national media want you to believe that two “fishermen” survived a first strike on their drug-laden speedboat and were then floating in the water helplessly like Rose and Jack at the end of “Titanic,” and we gunned them down as helpless victims and in violation of the Geneva Conventions."

-
Then Hesgeth dropped sharks around them.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 08, 2025 02:26 PM (L/fGl)

329 translated from French: @VirginiePerez15 . 5:00

Starmer welcomes Zelensky, Merz and Macron to Downing Street to avoid Peace at all costs. No problem, History will move forward without them.

These 4 men have one thing in common that unites them forever: they have bankrupted their countries.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 08, 2025 02:20 PM (kf2Bq)

I think they are also going to discuss what to do about the fact that the price of cocaine in EU has gone up as much as 60% since Trump started blowing up the blockade runners.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 08, 2025 02:26 PM (rbvCR)

330 169 Keeeev

An understated aspect of the War on the West is the pervasive elite opinion that everyone is allowed to have their own words and pronunciations for foreign things but not Americans. "Kiev" was a perfectly cromulent English word for whatever the fuck they call it in Uke for centuries.
Posted by: Ian S.

Trouble is, "Kiev" is the Russian version of the name, pronounced almost exactly as we pronounce it in English. Although I prefer it, I can see why those who support Ukraine would choose not to use the Russian form.
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I'm in no hurry to change pronunciations to make some Neocon or Globalist happy, It was Kiev before, it will be Kiev again, because Zelensky is a thrice-damned fool who doesn't understand the days of wine and doses are over.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2025 02:28 PM (XjTSo)

331 Probably would have tried to create a Mitteleuropa of the baltic through Balkan states as a Second Holy Roman empire, each statelette as its own princedom
Posted by: Kindltot at December 08, 2025 02:19 PM (rbvCR)

That seems a stretch, as Germany was brand new when he took over. I can see though with a victory that the German parts of Austria become part of Germany proper and Hungary and the Slav Balkans become their own nations under Imperial sway to some extent. Austria Hungary was notoriously unmanagable as it was.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2025 02:29 PM (8avO+)

332 KyivPost . 34m

President Volodymyr Zelensky emphasized that Ukraine will not consider giving up any of its territory — a position grounded in national law, international norms, and basic moral principles.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 08, 2025 02:22 PM (kf2Bq)

I'm sure that makes the thousands of your troops surrounded on the front feel a whole lot better.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 08, 2025 02:32 PM (8avO+)

333 People wonder: Why? Why now? Why stop lying now?

Posted by: Ace at 01:17 PM

I think the NYT's sources are privately telling them that the "at first slowly" phase of ~~bankrupty~~ attritional warfare is nearing its end, soon to be followed by the "and then all at once" phase.

My mental model, as I have said elsewhere, is that Carlin's Big Club (the one you ain't in) operates as a Transnational Grifter Clique; and while it has fractal subgroups, they show a base animal cunning in how loyal to be to which level to keep the whole machine running for each. In this model, what we're seeing here is that as long as their sources told them that (at worst) defeat was distant, they would continue cheerleading for Pristine Victory to keep the griftable money flowing to their fellow bugmen in the Taker Hive. When that changes, they're like skeezy pollsters that try to shape opinion instead of measuring it, and have to get closer to reality toward the end, in order to maintain a figleaf of respectability to burn in their next op.

Posted by: SciVo at December 08, 2025 02:54 PM (Sy6m/)

334 Corruption in Ukraine you say? This is not a new story. This shit has been going on from the beginning of the war. Zelenskyy with his properties in Italy and Miami. Ukraine black market arms sales of US & NATO weapons to the cartels in Mexico. Three years ago reported Ukrainian field officers not reporting KIA's and and pocketing that dead soldiers monthly pay. I wonder what Elenzenkyy's stipend is for his nose candy?

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Posted by: HOME PROFIT at December 08, 2025 04:40 PM (q/BSN)

336 What's Time Magazine think of its Person of the Year? Just like they did with Hitler back in 1938 and Climate Brat Greta

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