Gun Thread: December 7th Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Holy Shitballs! How in the ever-loving Hell did it get to be December 7th? This is the 84th anniversary of the Jap sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, so never forget the 2,403 killed, and the 1,178 injured that day. Here is a link to the National WWII Museum in New Orleans and a page on the events of that day.

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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FUNdamentals

So if you aren't focusing on fundamentals, what are you doing when you're at the range?

Seriously, I'm curious what your usual range trip process looks like if it's not focusing on fundamentals. Do you have a methodology that works better for you? Please let us know in the comments.

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Indoor range Shooting Drills

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Traffic Stop While Armed

How would you handle this situation? Probably best to have a plan before it happens.

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Are You Well Groomed?

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Our Pals Bennies and Goofballs

With Paul Newman!

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Highway Patrol!

This week's episode: Temptation!

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Planet Outlaws!

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Cigar-O-Rama Links

Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com
Nicks Cigar World New!

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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Ammo Link-O-Rama
I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop
American Elite Ammo
Lucky Gunner Ammo NEW!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 EVENING ALL!!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 07, 2025 07:00 PM (GAjdx)

2 Gubs!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 07:00 PM (Wnv9h)

3 ta-pocketa

Posted by: Eromero at December 07, 2025 07:00 PM (LHPAg)

4 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2025 07:00 PM (Ia/+0)

5 Nicely done, Scoob.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 07:00 PM (Wnv9h)

6 Good evening gubthreaders and all the ships at sea!

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2025 07:01 PM (RoO7G)

7 Well if nothing else, tomorrow on my way home Dixons muzzeloading shop can be on my way home.
Will report next week if get anything interesting.

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2025 07:02 PM (Ia/+0)

8 A day that will live in infamy...and for some it still does.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 07, 2025 07:02 PM (ynpvh)

9 Japan was foolish that day, my friends.

Posted by: toby928(c) at December 07, 2025 07:02 PM (jc0TO)

10 5 Nicely done, Scoob.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 07:00 PM

Thankee, how are you doing?

How is your new rifle?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 07, 2025 07:02 PM (GAjdx)

11 How would you handle this situation? Probably best to have a plan before it happens.

In Kali, if it's in my car, I have to have my gun unloaded, in a gun case in the trunk, not locked with its ammo...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 07, 2025 07:04 PM (ynpvh)

12 Not many US WWII veterans left.

"As of early 2025, approximately 66,000 American World War II veterans are still alive, according to the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, representing less than 0.5% of the 16.4 million Americans who served during the conflict."

WWII veterans were still young men in my youth. My first baseball coach fought on Iwo Jima.

Posted by: toby928(c) at December 07, 2025 07:04 PM (jc0TO)

13 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 07:05 PM (BCwQW)

14 Thankee, how are you doing?

How is your new rifle?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 07, 2025 07:02 PM

Can't complain. You?

The Savage is a joy to shoot. I printed just under 1/2 MOA at 200 yards, and I wasn't in the best of form, so I have high hopes for it.

Just got new rings for my Strike Eagle and got it mounted on the Winchester. If the weather cooperates, I'll zero during some Christmas vacation time.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 07:06 PM (Wnv9h)

15 11 How would you handle this situation? Probably best to have a plan before it happens.

In Kali, if it's in my car, I have to have my gun unloaded, in a gun case in the trunk, not locked with its ammo...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 07, 2025 07:04 PM (ynpvh)

Also, DON'T undo your seatbelt...that'll lead to another fine in Kali when the officer comes up to your window...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 07, 2025 07:07 PM (ynpvh)

16 Also, we had WWI men around. They seem to have all quietly slipped away when I wasn't looking.

Posted by: toby928(c) at December 07, 2025 07:07 PM (jc0TO)

17 "How would you handle this situation? Probably best to have a plan before it happens."

I think I am in compliance with the way I travel with my firearms.
Guns are in a case, unloaded and locked.
Ammo is in another case, locked.
Everything is at the back of my Jeep.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 07, 2025 07:07 PM (GAjdx)

18 Speaking of FUNdamentals...prostate exam tomorrow.
Ugh.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2025 07:08 PM (2WIwB)

19 Went to the range twice this week. Testing stuff.

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2025 07:09 PM (RoO7G)

20 Howdy!

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at December 07, 2025 07:10 PM (sAmhv)

21 It makes me feel old to realize that the Vietnam war is just short of being twice as distant in time to college students today as WWII was to me when I was in college.

Posted by: toby928(c) at December 07, 2025 07:10 PM (jc0TO)

22 While traveling to the TxMoMe X I was concerned about being stopped and asked the question: do you have any guns in the car?

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2025 07:11 PM (RoO7G)

23 14 The Savage is a joy to shoot.

I wonder if you have the same trigger as I do. I LOVE that trigger!!
With the little cold weather we have had, I do not think a trip up to NH is in the forecast.
May have to wait until Red lets us know when the mini MoMe is.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 07, 2025 07:11 PM (GAjdx)

24 Duck Dodgers!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2025 07:11 PM (pkeXY)

25 USS Arizona Memorial news: USN divers and salvage teams completed removal of some 150 tons of concrete from the wreck of the USS Arizona last week. The concrete was placed in 1942 to support cranes that removed the 14" gun turrets and sections of the ship's superstructure above the water. The USN and National Park Service decided to remove the concrete this year to reduce the stress on the deteriorating hull of the wreck below.

Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 07:12 PM (BCwQW)

26 16 Also, we had WWI men around. They seem to have all quietly slipped away when I wasn't looking.

Posted by: toby928(c) at December 07, 2025 07:07 PM (jc0TO)

Last one over a decade ago...within the next 10 or 15 years so it'll be the WW2 guys.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 07, 2025 07:12 PM (ynpvh)

27 18 Speaking of FUNdamentals...prostate exam tomorrow.
Ugh.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2025 07:08 PM (2WIwB)

Nothing to worry about, unless both his hands are on your waist...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 07, 2025 07:13 PM (ynpvh)

28 Good evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a special Japan-you-started-it anniversary greeting to our host Weasel.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at December 07, 2025 07:13 PM (v23vE)

29 Also, we had WWI men around. They seem to have all quietly slipped away when I wasn't looking.
Posted by: toby928(c) at December 07, 2025 07:07 PM (jc0TO)

At the little airport where I grew up in SW Washington, there was an old guy who was like a grandpa to me. He flew fighters in WW 1. Also there was one of the hardest men I ever saw. He was a Ranger who scaled the cliff at Pont du Hoc on D Day. He made it about a third of the way up before getting shit in the leg.
Tough men both.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2025 07:13 PM (2WIwB)

30 Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2025 07:09 PM

Blaster, small world story for you. I was at my range a couple weeks ago when an air rifle match was going on. Saw a guy in a Hudson High sweatshirt and Army rifle hat. Being on the team myself back in the day, I had to stop and chat. Turns out one of his girls is a Yearling. My club has sent a handful of kids to the Army rifle team over the years.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 07:14 PM (Wnv9h)

31 Also, we had WWI men around. They seem to have all quietly slipped away when I wasn't looking.
Posted by: toby928(c) at December 07, 2025 07:07 PM (jc0TO)

"Old soldiers never die, they just fade away."

Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 07:14 PM (BCwQW)

32 I had a proctologist once tell me I had the most symmetrical prostate he'd ever felt...I didn't know quite how to react to that.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 07, 2025 07:14 PM (ynpvh)

33 Went to the range twice this week. Testing stuff.
Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2025 07:09 PM

Are you grading on the curve?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 07, 2025 07:14 PM (0sNs1)

34 22 While traveling to the TxMoMe X I was concerned about being stopped and asked the question: do you have any guns in the car?

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2025 07:11 PM (RoO7G)

Scoob and I were similarly situated when traveling to Corsicana last year. The answer we decided to give was "sure, lots -- what're you looking for?"

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at December 07, 2025 07:14 PM (v23vE)

35 Damn, is it the 7th already?

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 07, 2025 07:14 PM (zZu0s)

36 I've known some Bennies in my life. And met a LOT of goofballs. I didn't know they were drug addicts.

Posted by: GWB at December 07, 2025 07:15 PM (bc8my)

37 Time flies.

one of my teachers in high school was a Guadalcanal Marine. Wounded, lived with shrapnel in his neck, and a nervous twitch because of that. He was a good man.

Had other teachers who were Korea and Vietnam vets. A rare breed.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, 59 year-old awkward guy at December 07, 2025 07:15 PM (0aYVJ)

38 28 Good evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a special Japan-you-started-it anniversary greeting to our host Weasel.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at December 07, 2025 07:13 PM (v23vE)

They sowed the kamikaze, they reaped the Fat Man and Little Boy...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 07, 2025 07:15 PM (ynpvh)

39 The Japs have been BAD.

They'll get 2 nukes in their stockings*.

*I denounce myself.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 07, 2025 07:15 PM (zZu0s)

40 Damn, is it the 7th already?
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 07, 2025 07:14 PM (zZu0s)

Oh sh*t.
A shopping list! I knew I was forgetting something.
Let's see...ammo...ammo...and ammo!
Done!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2025 07:17 PM (2WIwB)

41 Good evening Horde. Thanks Weasel!

Posted by: TRex - fundamental dino at December 07, 2025 07:17 PM (IQ6Gq)

42 37 Time flies.

one of my teachers in high school was a Guadalcanal Marine. Wounded, lived with shrapnel in his neck, and a nervous twitch because of that. He was a good man.

Had other teachers who were Korea and Vietnam vets. A rare breed.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, 59 year-old awkward guy at December 07, 2025 07:15 PM (0aYVJ)

had school teachers, principals, college profs that were WW2 vets. All probably gone now, like Dad who passed 4 years ago...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 07, 2025 07:17 PM (ynpvh)

43 Tora tora tora literally means tiger tiger tiger, but that's what it meant 84 years ago today. Abbreviation for totsugeki raigeki, or "charge! torpedo attack!".

Which itself was code for "surprise has been achieved" in the attack, and the slower vulnerable torpedo planes would go in first. However Fuchida fired two flares from the command plane, signaling no surprise had been achieved, so the dive bombers would go in first (one flare = surprise, torpedo planes first).

Fuchida was a slippery witness to almost everything he was involved in. Some speculate he and Genda and Murata (torpedo attack leader) had already decided on the "no surprise" version in advance.

So nobody will ever know if Fuchida screwed up, or what.

And that's part of the rest of the story.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 07, 2025 07:17 PM (U/Byj)

44 They sowed the kamikaze, they reaped the Fat Man and Little Boy...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 07, 2025 07:15 PM (ynpvh)

The Curtis "Bombs Away" LeMay "urban renewal" plan and the ultimate "get thin quick" diet from Uncle Charlie Lockwood.

Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 07:18 PM (BCwQW)

45 I wonder if you have the same trigger as I do. I LOVE that trigger!!
With the little cold weather we have had, I do not think a trip up to NH is in the forecast.
May have to wait until Red lets us know when the mini MoMe is.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 07, 2025 07:11 PM

Dunno. Nice trigger, though. From what Red said, I don't think much long range is in the forecast this winter. Imma wait for June.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 07:19 PM (Wnv9h)

46 USS Arizona Memorial news: USN divers and salvage teams completed removal of some 150 tons of concrete from the wreck of the USS Arizona last week. The concrete was placed in 1942 to support cranes that removed the 14" gun turrets and sections of the ship's superstructure above the water. The USN and National Park Service decided to remove the concrete this year to reduce the stress on the deteriorating hull of the wreck below.
Posted by: Ed L
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Wow, hadn't seen that. Thanks Ed.

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 07, 2025 07:19 PM (IQ6Gq)

47 No range report.
Only firearm related news is the cheap gun safe I purchased arrived on Thursday.
Lite enough for me to bring through the door into my bedroom.

I will say, you get what you paid for. But this purchase is purely for keeping within NYC regulations.

My rifle did not fit in the cabinet unless I removed the shelf.
The pouches for the handguns are meh.
Also had to put the handguns in backwards.
If I put them in the way the pouch wants me to put them in, the bottom of the mag well would hit the side of the safe when closing.
Have not looked closely enough to see if I could scootch the pouch to the left more. If I can, I will.

When I eventually move, I may or may not take this with me.

But as I said above, it was a purchase to satisfy NYC, so I am not upset at all about the safe.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 07, 2025 07:19 PM (GAjdx)

48 44 They sowed the kamikaze, they reaped the Fat Man and Little Boy...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 07, 2025 07:15 PM (ynpvh)

The Curtis "Bombs Away" LeMay "urban renewal" plan and the ultimate "get thin quick" diet from Uncle Charlie Lockwood.

Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 07:18 PM (BCwQW)

Indeed. More died from the firebombing of Tokyo than from the two nukes.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 07, 2025 07:20 PM (ynpvh)

49 Also feel free to discuss the retardation of those who thought we should invade the Jap mainland rather than drop a couple of atomic bombs to end the war.

Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2025 07:21 PM (64qRd)

50 Naturally, I like to watch gun videos that demonstrate quality firearms that are reliable and accurate; however, I also occasionally enjoy videos that highlight a real piece of junk, if for no other reason than to see the reaction of the person demonstrating it. George Jones at esquad 540 on YouTube has a hilarious video, a few years old now, in which he tests the FIE Titanic - a gun so bad, he never even manages to get off a single shot.

https://tinyurl.com/8498h362

I like George, and, sadly, he is suffering from some form of terminal blood cancer, but he's not letting his illness stop him from going out to the range a couple of days a week and filming content. His newer videos have a link to a Go Fund Me account to cover what he calls his "final expenses", if anybody is interested.

Posted by: Paco at December 07, 2025 07:21 PM (2L+MU)

51 Evening, Mr. Weasel and Gub enthusiasts around the world!
Last call for shooting at the long range this winter.
4WD or MK 1 Leather Personnel Carriers for now.
Soon, LPCs only.

Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 07:21 PM (4dsHO)

52 Again, thanks for all of the good insights on selling a number of older firearms...
Unfortunately, a couple of others seemed to have followed me home...

Posted by: man at December 07, 2025 07:22 PM (XuXeR)

53 34 Scoob and I were similarly situated when traveling to Corsicana last year. The answer we decided to give was "sure, lots -- what're you looking for?"

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at December 07, 2025 07:14 PM

Yep, planning on driving again next year. If you are able to join me Schnor you are more than welcome.
But I get the feeling Mrs Schnor will be making the trek again. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 07, 2025 07:22 PM (GAjdx)

54 49 Also feel free to discuss the retardation of those who thought we should invade the Jap mainland rather than drop a couple of atomic bombs to end the war.

Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2025 07:21 PM (64qRd)

My Dad, whose troop transport headed for Japan, expecting to die there only to find out the war was over upon arrival, certainly had an opinion.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 07, 2025 07:23 PM (ynpvh)

55 33 Went to the range twice this week. Testing stuff.
Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2025 07:09 PM

Are you grading on the curve?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 07, 2025 07:14 PM (0sNs1)

I should. Second trip was to test an AR15 with a Super Safety. I had dry-fire tested for function prior. Got to the range and found it safe but not super. Dry fire function did not work either.

Brought it home and disassembled to troubleshoot.

DOH! User error! It had been a bit since I installed it so I forgot how it worked.

A super safety replaces the safe/fire selector on the AR with a cross bolt type with three positions. All the way left is safe. All the way right is semi. And the middle position is the supersafety position. Dummy me I was going all the way right expecting super safe (forced reset) fire.

And why didn't it go super safe on me when I used the middle position? Only one round in the mag when I was shooting what I thought was semi.

Gah. So yes I should grade on the curve.

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2025 07:25 PM (RoO7G)

56 Also feel free to discuss the retardation of those who thought we should invade the Jap mainland rather than drop a couple of atomic bombs to end the war.
Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2025 07:21 PM

Is there really a discussion? They're wicked retahded. This is a Known Thing.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 07:25 PM (Wnv9h)

57 Shoulda been "that's NOT what it meant 84 years ago today". Duh.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 07, 2025 07:26 PM (U/Byj)

58 My Dad was a WWII vet. And I am pretty sure most of the male teachers in my school were WWII or Korea.
Do not remember having any teachers who would have fought in the War to end all Wars.
My Grandfather was a WWI vet but he passed a couple years before I was born.

Bless them all.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 07, 2025 07:27 PM (GAjdx)

59 So is a Quaalude a goofball?

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 07, 2025 07:27 PM (A0sqA)

60 My Dad, whose troop transport headed for Japan, expecting to die there only to find out the war was over upon arrival, certainly had an opinion.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 07, 2025 07:23 PM (ynpvh)

Jim, my dad was over in China awaiting the same. They were more immediately concerned with Mao and Chiang Kai Shek duking it out.

Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 07:27 PM (4dsHO)

61 So nobody will ever know if Fuchida screwed up, or what.

And that's part of the rest of the story.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 07, 2025 07:17 PM (U/Byj)

Jon Parshall and Tony Tully's "Shattered Sword" (THE definitively researched account of Midway to date) argues that Fuchida's account of Midway (the primary source for most Western accounts of Japanese actions during the battle) is complete fiction when compared to surviving Japanese records. One Japanese writer corresponding with the authors called Fuchida's account of Midway "transparent lies." If he made up his account of Midway, is his account of the Pearl Harbor attack worth anything now?

Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 07:27 PM (BCwQW)

62 Is there really a discussion? They're wicked retahded. This is a Known Thing.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 07:25 PM (Wnv9h)
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Agreed. Give 'em the ol' bomb-a-roony..

Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2025 07:27 PM (64qRd)

63 So is a Quaalude a goofball?"

714...

Posted by: man at December 07, 2025 07:27 PM (XuXeR)

64 52 Unfortunately, a couple of others seemed to have followed me home...

Posted by: man at December 07, 2025 07:22 PM

They are sneaky that way.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 07, 2025 07:28 PM (GAjdx)

65 Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 07, 2025 07:19 PM (IQ6Gq)

The DOD PAO article and local Hawaii news outlets have some pictures and video of the work.

Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 07:30 PM (BCwQW)

66 My FiL was a D-Day Vet, my first Dentist was a B-17 navigator with many runs from England

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2025 07:31 PM (Ia/+0)

67 Gotta run, but Parshall/Tully mostly (correctly) focused on Fuchida's account of the carrier situation, which they showed could not have been accurate (and it contradicted Japanese carrier normal practices anyway).

The thing about the flare/surprise/no surprise remains insoluble to any high degree of certainty, due to the details. But Fuchida's fibs (including those explained by Parshall/Tully) were diverse and multiple, so doubt attaches to the flare story as well.

He did fire 2 flares. Whether that was a mistake or not is the mystery.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 07, 2025 07:31 PM (U/Byj)

68
The Curtis "Bombs Away" LeMay "urban renewal" plan and the ultimate "get thin quick" diet from Uncle Charlie Lockwood.
Posted by: Ed L

I was unfamiliar with Charlie Lockwood.

https://t.ly/sGtr7

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2025 07:31 PM (pkeXY)

69 63 So is a Quaalude a goofball?"

714...

Posted by: man at December 07, 2025 07:27 PM (XuXeR)

That used to be the area code for all of So. Cal...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 07, 2025 07:31 PM (ynpvh)

70 My grandfather served in WWI, my uncle in WWII on the USS Randolph, which was kamikaze'd. My uncle on his ship guarded the mouth of Tokyo Bay during the signing of the treaty...and how do I know these things? From my own research, because no one ever talked about any of it...

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 07, 2025 07:32 PM (IQ6Gq)

71 Guns!

And fuck Imperial Japan. They suck.

Modern Japan sucks less but still...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at December 07, 2025 07:33 PM (xcxpd)

72 18 Speaking of FUNdamentals...prostate exam tomorrow.
Ugh.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2025 07:08 PM

Be sure to inform your doctor of the "no wobbly shit" rule!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 07, 2025 07:33 PM (HlyYF)

73 AR-15 allegedly found under Florida college student’s bed after he ordered 1,500 rounds of ammo to dorm

Goes to NY Post

https://tinyurl.com/yxxfaycz

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2025 07:34 PM (9bIJg)

74 Only problem with the cop interaction video was the lack of addressing non-Texas jurisdictions. Some will know you are authorized to carry (and will assume you are) via your license plate. Some won't, but state law requires you to say something. Some will just assume you're carrying regardless of license.

But most of the big points are there. It's a traffic stop, so handle it calmly, without an attitude, assume the officer is acting in good faith, and show him how nice a guy/gal you are.

Missing? If he asks to lean in, I would tell him no. Don't admit to anything (at least, not before he tells you why he pulled you over).

(I would also ask the officer if he wants me to clear my handgun, if he wants me to pull it out and hand it over. Show him you're a safe person.)

Posted by: GWB at December 07, 2025 07:35 PM (nuE1e)

75 My father took out a suicide boat near Okinawa 16May1945.
0100 hours. A shadow off the stern of his wooden hulled minesweeper "didn't look right" so he went to the aft deck gun and began to unload rounds. There was a huge explosion. No one hurt, and minimal damage. No medal or special recognition. Uncommon valor was a common virtue.

But one or two Jap sailors didn't come home.

My dad did.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 07, 2025 07:35 PM (XQo4F)

76 Quick range report, did some drills with Bubba Fly my bubba-fied G17. All went well. It is a good gun, I don't need no Gen 6 Glock. (I'll keep repeating that).

After that, did some drills with my G44 comparing again to the Taurus TX22. The Nurse likes the Taurus, ironically because of the thumb safety. Different strokes for different folks...

I did a little shooting with a Ruger MK IV Hunter and got a nice tight group but it is heavy and out of a .22, it's easy to print tight groups.

Will need to adjust the sights on the Taurus. Seems like the G44 gets better groups with the Federal Automatch.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at December 07, 2025 07:35 PM (xcxpd)

77 70 My grandfather served in WWI, my uncle in WWII on the USS Randolph, which was kamikaze'd. My uncle on his ship guarded the mouth of Tokyo Bay during the signing of the treaty...and how do I know these things? From my own research, because no one ever talked about any of it...

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 07, 2025 07:32 PM (IQ6Gq)

My grandfather and his two brothers served in the Great War. Dad and his BILs (one current, one future) served as well. When the war was over, Dad ended up with a pair of Nambu pistols, quite a few swords, an Arisaka rifle, and some other stuff. He was pissed when my uncle traded the Nambu for a mechanical typewriter. He was caught by an officer boxing up a light machine gun; officer told him, "You plan on starting a war back home, soldier?"...LT probably ended up with the machine gun...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 07, 2025 07:36 PM (ynpvh)

78 If you had a Honda Prelude you called the "Lude" we might have hung out in 1978.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 07, 2025 07:36 PM (A0sqA)

79 I indulged in some nostalgia this week. About 45 years ago Mrs. JTB and I had our first date. We went to an indoor target range using a Ruger Single-Six with 9.5 inch barrel. First time she ever shot a firearm and she was deadly at 50 feet. (I learned respect real fast.) At some point I sold that revolver but have always missed it. This week I found a used version at a price I couldn't resist. It is pristine, either hardly fired or well maintained. Yes, it followed me home. I hope to get to the range this week.

It was made in 2014 which makes it the youngest Ruger I own. Most of mine are from the 1950s to the 80s. The 9.5" barrel edition is still made but few places carry it in stock. I plan to use it mostly with the magnum cylinder as I have other platforms for 22lr. This version was designed for silhouette and I'm curious to see how it does when the targets are 50 to 100 yards away.

Posted by: JTB at December 07, 2025 07:37 PM (yTvNw)

80 Have a good night everyone
Long commute tomorrow for me

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2025 07:37 PM (Ia/+0)

81 80 Have a good night everyone
Long commute tomorrow for me

Posted by: Skip at December 07, 2025 07:37 PM (Ia/+0)

Safe trip.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 07, 2025 07:38 PM (ynpvh)

82 And I got a weird feeling realizing that today was SUNDAY Dec 7th. Just like in 1941. Time marches on.

Japan is likely to fall into a backwater who makes high tech gizmos but otherwise has no impact on the world stage. In the 1930's it was very different....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at December 07, 2025 07:38 PM (xcxpd)

83 Indeed. More died from the firebombing of Tokyo than from the two nukes.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 07, 2025 07:20 PM (ynpvh)

M47. M69, and M74 bombs filled w/ napalm bomblets, wooden construction in the most densely populated neighborhoods in Tokyo, totally inadequate firefighting capabilities, and high winds the night of the raid made for an extremely deadly combination.

Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 07:39 PM (BCwQW)

84 Hi weasel!

Took son#1 to the range yesterday. He was practicing with his G19 and doing very well. It’s a good gun for him.

I am so blessed to get to shoot with my kids. And they are GOOD!

He also shot my Pointman 7. Damn. It’s a great 1911. Love it.

I think about being pulled over with a firearm in my possession a lot. I do have an advantage as I’m female over you guys. I will disclose information if asked, but will otherwise just hand over my license and carry permit when asked. I don’t normally carry in a holster in the car, but use my console or off body vest. Easy to get out of the car and just take off the vest if officer wants to disarm me. I would not take a pistol out of the console to hand over. I would get out of the car and let the officer do it if they insisted.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 07, 2025 07:39 PM (mT+6a)

85 Hi weasel!

Took son#1 to the range yesterday. He was practicing with his G19 and doing very well. It’s a good gun for him.

I am so blessed to get to shoot with my kids. And they are GOOD!

He also shot my Pointman 7. Damn. It’s a great 1911. Love it.

I think about being pulled over with a firearm in my possession a lot. I do have an advantage as I’m female over you guys. I will disclose information if asked, but will otherwise just hand over my license and carry permit when asked. I don’t normally carry in a holster in the car, but use my console or off body vest. Easy to get out of the car and just take off the vest if officer wants to disarm me. I would not take a pistol out of the console to hand over. I would get out of the car and let the officer do it if they insisted.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 07, 2025 07:40 PM (mT+6a)

86 Another anniversary of much less serious import, which involved no bravery at all, is the publication of The Deplorable Gourmet eight years ago. We didn't plan it that way, it just happened.

Posted by: bluebell at December 07, 2025 07:40 PM (79pEw)

87 79/
Great story...very glad it followed you home.

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 07, 2025 07:41 PM (IQ6Gq)

88 Dude in Highway Patrol needs that money to get a new suspension for his car. Dang. Bouncy, bouncy.

Posted by: GWB at December 07, 2025 07:41 PM (qT5l+)

89 Posted by: bluebell at December 07, 2025 07:40 PM (79pEw)
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I was thinking about that today. We need to have lunch!

Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2025 07:41 PM (6/oTW)

90 My FiL was a D-Day Vet, my first Dentist was a B-17 navigator with many runs from England
Posted by: Skip

My late FiL was a navigator on a B24 out of England.

Posted by: Tuna at December 07, 2025 07:41 PM (lJ0H4)

91 73 AR-15 allegedly found under Florida college student’s bed after he ordered 1,500 rounds of ammo to dorm

Goes to NY Post

https://tinyurl.com/yxxfaycz
Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2025 07:34 PM (9bIJg)

Big deal. Just shows the student is spending money wisely.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at December 07, 2025 07:42 PM (xcxpd)

92 Somewhere in the top 100?
No range time, just chatted up a couple of the laser training systems with the wife’s chief pastor and a couple of like minded fellows from her church.

Good evening to all the GunHorde and thank you Weasel on this December 7.

Posted by: Coelacanth at December 07, 2025 07:42 PM (O5Ote)

93 AR-15 allegedly found under Florida college student’s bed after he ordered 1,500 rounds of ammo to dorm
Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2025 07:34 PM (9bIJg)

Bet he's a straight-B student. Except for the delivery to his dorm. Should have rented a UPS Store box.

Posted by: GWB at December 07, 2025 07:43 PM (qT5l+)

94 "Always yield to temptation, you may not get a second chance."

I was in the gun store, taking care of my usual transactions, when I spotted a pair of new Ruger Super Redhawk revolvers with 7 1/2 inch barrels in the display case. They were reasonably priced and I showed some restraint. I only took one of them, and I put it on layaway to pick up in January.

Why do I even mention this? It is a .480 Ruger, the product of people who looked at the .44 Magnum and said "Hold my beer." A .44 Magnum throws a 240 grain bullet at 1500 fps. The .480 does 1500 fps with a 325 grain bullet.

I don't know what I'm going to do with it, my big game hunting days being over, but I bet it will be spectacular. "See that rock out there? Way out there? Hold my soda pop and watch this."

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 07, 2025 07:43 PM (4mmkh)

95 Ok, gun College story. I bought a 9mm as soon as I turned 21 in college. I kept it in my dorm because safer there. My roommate went through my drawers and found it, told the RA.

The Resident Assistant...wanted to know if I was a cop. Because apparently everyone on the floor assumed I was a cop for some reason.

Pretty funny. No, didn't get in trouble. Stored the Taurus PT 92 in my car after that.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at December 07, 2025 07:43 PM (xcxpd)

96 I often wonder how many men I grew up with actually served during WWII and where...of course, in those days you just didn't ask...

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 07, 2025 07:44 PM (IQ6Gq)

97
49 Also feel free to discuss the retardation of those who thought we should invade the Jap mainland rather than drop a couple of atomic bombs to end the war.

Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2025 07:21 PM

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I have seen the version of this which claims Japan was on the verge of surrender, and the nuclear weapons were employed gratuitously to scare the Russians. I don't believe a word of it.

Even after military defeats, the burning of their cities, a blockade which reduced them to starvation, two atom bombs and the promise of more to come, Japan's surrender was a near-run thing. A military coup was attempted to prevent broadcast of the emperor's surrender speech.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 07, 2025 07:45 PM (VWtfl)

98 And Bravo Zulu (whatever that means) to bluebell and Weasel. First crowd sourced project for AOS.
And, through persistence (or pity), I won a cookbook.
Then bought one for Christmas!

Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 07:45 PM (QAQdw)

99 Ironically, Paul Newman's son died of an alcohol and drug overdose.

It inspired him to begin his philanthropic efforts, starting with the drug center, then expanding into Newman's Own food products and the Hole in the Wall Gang.

Newman's legacy in CT is immense. You can see it all over Westport.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at December 07, 2025 07:45 PM (0CU3H)

100 AR-15 allegedly found under Florida college student’s bed after he ordered 1,500 rounds of ammo to dorm

Yeah, some of those Black Friday deals were pretty hard to pass up.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 07, 2025 07:45 PM (3nLb4)

101 Went to the range Saturday morning. I’m converting my revolvers to red dot sights and in really liking them. The flavor of the week was a S&W model 15-7 (LEO trade-in) in 38 Spl with a Viridian RFX-25 green dot. Makes those steel plates quiver!

Posted by: Jackdaddy63 at December 07, 2025 07:46 PM (l5Vun)

102 I grew up in a navy town and December 7th was always acknowledged. When younger, there were still plenty of WW II veterans still in uniform and stories about Pearl Harbor were never in short supply.

Posted by: JTB at December 07, 2025 07:46 PM (yTvNw)

103 And Bravo Zulu (whatever that means) to bluebell and Weasel. First crowd sourced project for AOS.
And, through persistence (or pity), I won a cookbook.
Then bought one for Christmas!
Posted by: RI Red
********
I love the one TRex gifted me...{waves to RI Red from chilly VA}

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 07, 2025 07:47 PM (IQ6Gq)

104 Posted by: Jackdaddy63 at December 07, 2025 07:46 PM (l5Vun)
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Howdy and Welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2025 07:47 PM (6/oTW)

105
95 Ok, gun College story. I bought a 9mm as soon as I turned 21 in college. I kept it in my dorm because safer there. My roommate went through my drawers and found it, told the RA.

The Resident Assistant...wanted to know if I was a cop. Because apparently everyone on the floor assumed I was a cop for some reason.

Pretty funny. No, didn't get in trouble. Stored the Taurus PT 92 in my car after that.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at December 07, 2025 07:43 PM (xcxpd)

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Why did he go through your drawers?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 07, 2025 07:47 PM (VWtfl)

106 Jon Parshall and Tony Tully's "Shattered Sword" (THE definitively researched account of Midway to date) argues that Fuchida's account of Midway (the primary source for most Western accounts of Japanese actions during the battle) is complete fiction when compared to surviving Japanese records. One Japanese writer corresponding with the authors called Fuchida's account of Midway "transparent lies." If he made up his account of Midway, is his account of the Pearl Harbor attack worth anything now?
Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 07:27 PM (BCwQW)

This is a good book. I'm not 100% convinced but the man did his research

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at December 07, 2025 07:47 PM (xcxpd)

107 Traffic Stop While Armed 🚨 some good, solid advice there for any traffic stop, even if gums aren't involved.

Buster Crabbe as Buck Rogers - NOW y'r talkin'!!🚀

Man, that film is almost as old as I am. I mean, so much older…🙄

Posted by: mindful webworker - how to act when space patrol stops you at December 07, 2025 07:48 PM (yqA/D)

108 Why did he go through your drawers?
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 07, 2025 07:47 PM (VWtfl)

Because roommates are assholes.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at December 07, 2025 07:48 PM (xcxpd)

109 I was thinking about that today. We need to have lunch!
Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2025 07:41 PM (6/oTW)
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We do indeed!

Posted by: bluebell at December 07, 2025 07:48 PM (79pEw)

110 (I would also ask the officer if he wants me to clear my handgun, if he wants me to pull it out and hand it over. Show him you're a safe person.)

I was stopped in north TX a couple of months ago driving a rental car. The officer didn't ask and I didn't volunteer.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 07, 2025 07:49 PM (3nLb4)

111 When I took 'Military History 1871-Present' taught by Dr Stephen Ambrose (later Colin Powell's advisor), we had a grandson of Andrew Higgins (he of 'Higgins Manufacturing' on Gentilly Hwy). That kid brought in a COMPLETE set of drawings and plans for the construction of the original Higgins Boat later used on D-Day and in the Pacific … I think he mighta gotten an 'A'.

Dr Ambrose donated the schematics / plans to the WWII Museum later on. Damned shame he died so young - he was a great historian.

Posted by: Dr_No at December 07, 2025 07:49 PM (ayRl+)

112 And, through persistence (or pity), I won a cookbook.
Then bought one for Christmas!
Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 07:45 PM (QAQdw)
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Because if one is good, two is better! Please say hello to Mrs. Red for me.

Posted by: bluebell at December 07, 2025 07:49 PM (79pEw)

113 Also feel free to discuss the retardation of those who thought we should invade the Jap mainland rather than drop a couple of atomic bombs to end the war.
Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2025 07:21 PM (64qRd)
That's kind of like saying "You should shoot them in the leg."

Posted by: GWB at December 07, 2025 07:50 PM (qT5l+)

114 Oh, yeah: Thanks for the leading pic. I think that's the only acknowledgement on an AoS post today of the day that will live in infamy.

Posted by: mindful webworker - how to act when space patrol stops you at December 07, 2025 07:50 PM (yqA/D)

115 Weasel, any honest assessment of the use of the atomic bombs would have to come to the conclusion that what happened was arguably the best outcome. By August 1945, the USN submarine campaign and USAAF aerial mining of Japanese coastal waters succeeded in reducing the daily average Japanese calorie intake to 1000 calories or less. Had the war dragged on into 1946, mass famine would have killed off hundreds of thousands of Japanese. It's also likely no Allied POW's in Japan would have survived had the war dragged on w/o the nukes getting used.

Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 07:50 PM (BCwQW)

116 I love the one TRex gifted me...{waves to RI Red from chilly VA}
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 07, 2025 07:47 PM (IQ6Gq)

*Attempts to wave from the Frozen North. Decides to wait until Spring, around memorial day.*

Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 07:51 PM (QAQdw)

117 Its one of those that you can't tell how it would have gone. Would the Russians have grabbed some of Japan? I'd say... doubtful.

1) amphibious landings are not their thing.

2) they were... brittle at the end of the war. The casualties attacking the Japanese would have been heavy.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 07, 2025 07:51 PM (RpcHd)

118 Evening all

I have nothing to report but felt duty bound to be here so I don;t get marked absent on my permanent record. I think this is the first Sunday I missed a potential range date just because.Something about this month is stressing me out. Probably better I didn;t have a gun in my hand.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 07, 2025 07:51 PM (t/2Uw)

119 96 I often wonder how many men I grew up with actually served during WWII and where...of course, in those days you just didn't ask...

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 07, 2025 07:44 PM (IQ6Gq)

My grade school principal was cool...was a WW2 Navy guy with hula girl tattooed full length onto his entire forearm. It was said he could make her hula, but he never showed us kids...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 07, 2025 07:51 PM (ynpvh)

120 We went to an indoor target range using a Ruger Single-Six with 9.5 inch barrel. [...] This week I found a used version at a price I couldn't resist.

I still think that pound-for-pound, dollar-for-dollar, the Single Six is the most fun gun ever.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 07, 2025 07:52 PM (3nLb4)

121 Because if one is good, two is better! Please say hello to Mrs. Red for me.
Posted by: bluebell at December 07, 2025 07:49 PM (79pEw)

Just did; she waved!

Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 07:52 PM (QAQdw)

122 My other testing was taking the Pietta SAA to the range to see how it handled all 3 different types of ammo - .357, .38, and 9mm. I had shot it with .357 and .38 before and I saw significant difference between the two in point of impact.

I took my pistol rest and the extra cylinder so I could try all three. I set it up at 7 yards, dialed up the rest, and shot seated on a stool.

Well. First, this SAA clone is capable of really tight groups at 7 yards off of the rest. Mechanically it is capable of good accuracy and precision. The sight picture is a little different than a modern pistol - the front blade is well above the grooves of the rear sight to be on target.

With all three calibers the point of impact was identical at 7 yards. Which is NOT my experience shooting it free hand.

So I shot freehand again and that is going to take some work on my fundamentals. I don't quite have grip worked out on the SAA. And it is heavy and the point of balance is very different than the semi-autos I usually shoot. So I just don't shoot it well. It's going to take some practice.

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2025 07:52 PM (RoO7G)

123 I love the one TRex gifted me...{waves to RI Red from chilly VA}
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 07, 2025 07:47 PM (IQ6Gq)

*Attempts to wave from the Frozen North. Decides to wait until Spring, around memorial day.*
Posted by: RI Red
******
I did live in New England for a few years, so truly appreciate the comment....

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 07, 2025 07:53 PM (IQ6Gq)

124 116 *Attempts to wave from the Frozen North. Decides to wait until Spring, around memorial day.*

Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 07:51 PM

One of the many reasons to hibernate during the cold season. :-p

Any idea when the mini MoMe will be? I am big on putting in hotel reservations and asking for days off as early as possible :-D

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 07, 2025 07:53 PM (GAjdx)

125 Another anniversary of much less serious import, which involved no bravery at all, is the publication of The Deplorable Gourmet eight years ago. We didn't plan it that way, it just happened.
Posted by: bluebell at December 07, 2025 07:40 PM

Bluebell! Talking of recipes, the RMBS Mom did a great job reverse engineering that dip we had at Ithaki a while back.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 07:55 PM (Wnv9h)

126 I have nothing to report but felt duty bound to be here so I don;t get marked absent on my permanent record. I think this is the first Sunday I missed a potential range date just because.Something about this month is stressing me out. Probably better I didn;t have a gun in my hand.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 07, 2025 07:51 PM

(in order not to stress sharon out any further, no one mention that tardies are also tracked, m'kay?)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 07, 2025 07:55 PM (0sNs1)

127 Scoobs, when I wave at Grateful!

Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 07:56 PM (QAQdw)

128 Different states have different "duty to inform" requirements. The USCCA app has that info for all of the states. But you have to remember to look for it. The upfront info is about reciprocity.

(Texas and Oklahoma have duty to inform)

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2025 07:57 PM (RoO7G)

129 RI Red, I still want to learn the art of long guns...do you tolerate rookies at your MoMe?

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 07, 2025 07:57 PM (IQ6Gq)

130 *Attempts to wave from the Frozen North. Decides to wait until Spring, around memorial day.*
Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 07:51 PM

Word. It's getting pretty chilly in the next day or two.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 07:58 PM (Wnv9h)

131 Grateful, have you checked out the National Personnel Records Center's website? As next of kin, you should be able to access your relatives' official military records (201 files). None of the files have been digitized, so you'll have to pay in order to have the clerks dig up the paperwork in question, make copies, and mail the copies to you. It may not be cheap, but this is the best way to get a definitive account of your relatives' military service.

Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 08:00 PM (BCwQW)

132 Another anniversary of much less serious import, which involved no bravery at all, is the publication of The Deplorable Gourmet eight years ago. We didn't plan it that way, it just happened.
Posted by: bluebell at December 07, 2025 07:40 PM

No bravery at all??? I remember someone being apprehensive that she wouldn't get *any* recipes, and then being apprehensive that she wouldn't get enough recipes, and then someone being apprehensive that it wouldn't sell past 10 copies or so.

It takes courage, and several shivs secreted about one's person, but mostly courage, to walk through that long valley of apprehension.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 07, 2025 08:00 PM (0sNs1)

133 Weasel-san, have the Cozy Caves been deployed?

If so, can we expect regular CC sitreps?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 07, 2025 08:01 PM (0sNs1)

134 Also, after changing the cylinder on the Pietta the cylinder rod kept sliding forward when I shot it. Turns out there are a couple of detents on the rod that have to be aligned with the button.

So what did we learn from testing at the range, kids?

Know how your stuff works!

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2025 08:01 PM (RoO7G)

135 C'mon D. Don't I get some credit for being here regardless of what is going on in my life?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 07, 2025 08:01 PM (t/2Uw)

136 RI Red, I still want to learn the art of long guns...do you tolerate rookies at your MoMe?
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 07, 2025 07:57 PM (IQ6Gq)

Well.
I actually have been thinking about expanding it a bit, especially after shooting long range with Helena Handbasket in TX. And seeing other folks like Sharon come up through the ranks.
It would take a little coordination because the club allows 4 visiitors at a time per member, 2 shooting, 2 observing.
Depending on Jr.’s schedule, we could expand. Maybe Day 1 for beginners and move up top Day 2.
And maybe Weasel can instruct!

Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 08:04 PM (3Aazl)

137 Regarding Fuchida, he later claimed that he had advised a third strike at Pearl Harbor to destroy the fuel tanks. However, in their book they point out that when he was interviewed immediately after the war by the us military he mentioned none of that.

Posted by: Rww at December 07, 2025 08:06 PM (fQoI7)

138 Bravo Zulu (whatever that means) to bluebell and Weasel. First crowd sourced project for AOS.
Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 07:45 PM

Dude. This is a Smart Military Blog. You're letting the side down.

First, read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bravo_Zulu

Next, drop and give us twenty!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 07, 2025 08:06 PM (0sNs1)

139 That sounds amazing RI Red. Would love to do that.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 07, 2025 08:07 PM (t/2Uw)

140 Weasel-san, have the Cozy Caves been deployed?

If so, can we expect regular CC sitreps?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 07, 2025 08:01 PM (0sNs1)
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Not yet deployed, but soon!

Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2025 08:07 PM (6/oTW)

141 Next, drop and give us twenty!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 07, 2025 08:06 PM (0sNs1)

Same as in town!

Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 08:08 PM (3Aazl)

142
Also feel free to discuss the retardation of those who thought we should invade the Jap mainland rather than drop a couple of atomic bombs to end the war.
Posted by: Weasel

Others claimed we should have just blockaded them until they surrendered.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2025 08:09 PM (pkeXY)

143 C'mon D. Don't I get some credit for being here regardless of what is going on in my life?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 07, 2025 08:01 PM

Well, a Tardy is better than an Absence.

However, given that the Annual Commentator Review Period is closing in less than a month, do you really want to be adding to Ace and Weasel's Naughty, Not Nice List?

I thought not. #BeBetter

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 07, 2025 08:09 PM (0sNs1)

144 the point of balance is very different than the semi-autos
Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2025 07:52 PM (RoO7G)

Something I think lots of people don't get. One of the changes with semi-autos is that the weight shift (as you shoot) takes place inside your grip. All the weight of the ammo in a revolver (and that lessening of the weight as you shoot) is in front of your hand. They've both evolved to be done well in many weapons, but they are different.

Posted by: GWB at December 07, 2025 08:09 PM (PAf/V)

145 Blaster, if you decide to switch out the grips, make sure that the replacement pair fit the revolver properly. There's no guarantee that the new grips will exactly fit your clone. It should not be a surprise if the grips have to get trimmed a little or if the grips are a millimeter or two short.

Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 08:10 PM (BCwQW)

146 That sounds amazing RI Red. Would love to do that.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 07, 2025 08:07 PM

Do it!!!!!!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 08:10 PM (Wnv9h)

147 The branch manager of the chemical company I worked with in the '70s was a former 'Black Cat' ('Catalina') pilot (you know, the cool plane with the top wing and 2 engines on it). He flew missions over the Gulf of America to look for German U-boats. Never mentioned whether he found any or not. He's also the person who taught me how to properly use a divider (remember those?) on a printed road map to calculate mileage & distance per the scale printed @ bottom left … helluva guy.

Posted by: Dr_No at December 07, 2025 08:11 PM (ayRl+)

148 Same as in town!
Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 08:08 PM

LOL, but you're not getting a Bravo Zulu for it.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 07, 2025 08:11 PM (0sNs1)

149 Yo, bitches! I'm packing a gat! What seems to the problem?

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at December 07, 2025 08:12 PM (w6S0H)

150 Do it!!!!!!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 08:10 PM (Wnv9h)

Oh, good! First volunteer!

Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 08:12 PM (3Aazl)

151 Evening, Weasel, and Gun Thread folken!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2025 08:12 PM (npFr7)

152 Hmmm, I would say a blo made would be HIGHLY unlikely to work. Butt, we don't know.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 07, 2025 08:14 PM (RpcHd)

153 LOL, but you're not getting a Bravo Zulu for it.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 07, 2025 08:11 PM (0sNs1

In the Army, we got a “Noshitthereiwas!” award.

Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 08:14 PM (3Aazl)

154 Blockade

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at December 07, 2025 08:15 PM (RpcHd)

155 Others claimed we should have just blockaded them until they surrendered.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2025 08:09 PM (pkeXY)

Yeah, so that 80 years later all the proggies could complain about how cruel we were, committing genocide against those poor civilians.

The people who complain about us dropping the bombs wouldn't have been happy with any useful solution, because they are 1) ignorant, 2) stupid, and, often, 3) anti-American.

Posted by: GWB at December 07, 2025 08:15 PM (PAf/V)

156 There was just not enough time in Texas to get instruction and there is little opportunity to shoot outdoors here. And big plus is getting to hug some of my favorite people.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 07, 2025 08:16 PM (t/2Uw)

157 150 Oh, good! First volunteer!

Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 08:12 PM

*raises hand*

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at December 07, 2025 08:16 PM (GAjdx)

158 95 Ok, gun College story. I bought a 9mm as soon as I turned 21 in college. I kept it in my dorm because safer there. My roommate went through my drawers and found it, told the RA.

The Resident Assistant...wanted to know if I was a cop. Because apparently everyone on the floor assumed I was a cop for some reason.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Someone identified you as Joe Mannix.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 08:17 PM (WDjG6)

159 WWII veterans were still young men in my youth. My first baseball coach fought on Iwo Jima.
Posted by: toby928(c) at December 07, 2025 07:04 PM (jc0TO)
I had the honor of serving with WW II vets in 1968. To me, at the time, they were lifers. I was a dumbass kid.

Posted by: Eromero at December 07, 2025 08:17 PM (LHPAg)

160 Yo, bitches! I'm packing a gat! What seems to the problem?
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at December 07, 2025 08:12 PM

Chris Rock, How to Avoid Getting Your A** Kicked by the Police

https://youtu.be/uj0mtxXEGE8

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 07, 2025 08:17 PM (4mmkh)

161 Oh, good! First volunteer!
Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 08:12 PM

Hell, when I get up to southern NH permanently, I'll join.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 08:17 PM (Wnv9h)

162 Chris Rock, How to Avoid Getting Your A** Kicked by the Police

https://youtu.be/uj0mtxXEGE8
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 07, 2025 08:17 PM

Never. Not. Funny.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 08:18 PM (Wnv9h)

163 Something I think lots of people don't get. One of the changes with semi-autos is that the weight shift (as you shoot) takes place inside your grip. All the weight of the ammo in a revolver (and that lessening of the weight as you shoot) is in front of your hand. They've both evolved to be done well in many weapons, but they are different.
Posted by: GWB
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True. That is often why people shoot heavier firearms better with less practice than lighter ones. Easier to keep still from felt recoil is less, less problem with changing balance, etc.

On something like a GP100 or Redhawk, the minimal change in weight of firing a cylinder worth of ammo results in very little notice to the shooter. Turn that around to a scandium framed or even a lightweight aluminum and it matters more in balance.

Tube fed battle rifles like the Lebel, you get a similar problem as the balance shifted as you shot the magazine down.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 08:23 PM (WDjG6)

164
Broderick Crawford was the greatest. Tended to be falling down drunk on the set, but his fast talking made up for it.

He had a nickname with the real CHP, "Ol' 502", the code for driving under the influence. His license was suspended several times during the run of the show, and they had to film him driving on private roads, or do other camera tricks to pretend he was driving.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at December 07, 2025 08:23 PM (w6EFb)

165 >>I grew up in a navy town and December 7th was always acknowledged. When younger, there were still plenty of WW II veterans still in uniform and stories about Pearl Harbor were never in short supply.

You'll be pleased to know the tradition continues on this part of the bay. Today at Veterans Memorial Square, 100 American flags were flow. All of the flags were previously draped on the coffins of veterans from the area and the flags were donated by their families for use on patriotic holidays.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2025 08:24 PM (viF8m)

166 And fuck Imperial Japan. They suck.

Modern Japan sucks less but still...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at December 07, 2025 07:33 PM (xcxpd)
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Imperial Japan did a heel-turn in the 1920s. Prior to that point, they were very much striving to be considered "civilized." In both the Sino-Japanese War and the Russo-Japanese War they scrupulously followed international conventions regarding treatment of prisoners.

When the admiral of the Chinese fleet killed himself after the Battle of the Yellow Sea, the Japanese fired a full salute in his honor to show respect.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2025 08:25 PM (ZOv7s)

167 Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 08:00 PM (BCwQW)

Many of the records were destroyed in a massive fire at the Center years ago, including my late Father's (WWII, 825th TD BN)

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at December 07, 2025 08:25 PM (2U/dF)

168 Grateful, you can get copies of ship's logs and Action Reports from the Naval History and Heritage Command at the Washington Navy Yard. The Kamikaze attack your uncle survived on USS Randolph would certainly have justified an action report documenting the attack and its aftermath. Again, since a lot of this hasn't been digitized, you may have to pay some $$ in order to have someone from NHHC dig through the archives, make copies, and mail them to you unless you come to the Washington Navy Yard in person.

Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 08:26 PM (BCwQW)

169 Guys/Gals, maybe we should do some brainstorming:
Day one morning - Intro to AR15, Zeroing, 100 yards. PM - Ballistic tables, 200 and 300.
Day Two morning, ballistic tables, 300-500. PM, AR 10, ballistics, 500 +.
Survivors out to 1000.
Could be fun.

Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 08:26 PM (3Aazl)

170 It is counter intuitive to think that a petite person like me would shoot a heavier gun better than a light one. I was amazed the first time Steck put a heavy gun in my hand. I definitely shoot best with my Kimber 1911 but it is way to big to be a carry gun.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 07, 2025 08:26 PM (t/2Uw)

171 If I promise to behave, can I come to the next Mo-me in Texas? I’m in Houston, so it can’t be more than a day’s drive

Posted by: Jackdaddy63 at December 07, 2025 08:26 PM (l5Vun)

172 The HP lieutenant puts a hanky over the glass case AFTER he picks it up and covers it with his prints. Oy vey, that's bad police work.

Posted by: GWB at December 07, 2025 08:27 PM (qipSb)

173 Broderick Crawford was the greatest. Tended to be falling down drunk on the set, but his fast talking made up for it.

He had a nickname with the real CHP, "Ol' 502", the code for driving under the influence. His license was suspended several times during the run of the show, and they had to film him driving on private roads, or do other camera tricks to pretend he was driving.
Posted by: publius

Sucks it's not on any service, be it Prime, Hulu, Peacock, Tubi, etc.

That and Mr Ed got me thru my insomnia and 1st divorce.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2025 08:27 PM (9bIJg)

174
Broderick Crawford cameo bit on a 1977 episode of CHiPs:

https://is.gd/BtX9Ub

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at December 07, 2025 08:28 PM (w6EFb)

175 I had the honor of serving with WW II vets in 1968. To me, at the time, they were lifers. I was a dumbass kid.
Posted by: Eromero at December 07, 2025 08:17 PM (LHPAg)
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I recall WW II being active and out there, and the WW I guys were slowed down, really old. The Vietnam vets were young men.

One of the weird things is how long the GWOT went, and the fact that I never got to be a "young" veteran. Who knew staying in "for the duration" meant a 20-year hitch?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2025 08:28 PM (ZOv7s)

176 162 Chris Rock, How to Avoid Getting Your A** Kicked by the Police

https://youtu.be/uj0mtxXEGE8
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 07, 2025 08:17 PM

Never. Not. Funny.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
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Back before Obama's Second Term, I used to show that segment to my Criminal Procedure class. No complaints from students.

Once Obama's race crap spun into high gear in the second term, no way in hell would I do something like that. I found safer non funny cop encounter videos to show to make the same point.

Never argue with a cop and his gun on the side of the road, disengage as quickly as you can. Save the arguments for court if you truly are wronged.

Not a bad idea anymore to actually have live video in your car from dashcams, etc. Unless of course you are the guy that is a menace on the highway.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 08:29 PM (WDjG6)

177 9 Japan was foolish that day, my friends.
Posted by: toby928(c) at December 07, 2025 07:02 PM (jc0TO)

Tactically no. Strategically yes.

Posted by: Cow Demon at December 07, 2025 08:29 PM (4786I)

178 Cigars PSA -

CI is running a decent special. Ten packs of some decent blends on sale with $20 cert for next purchase, and free shipment + 10% off for vets.

Just scored some Man o War Armadas. 10 @ $5.77 each to the door. The must be good with over a hundred reviews and solid 5 star rating. Normally over $20 each.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 07, 2025 08:30 PM (/lPRQ)

179 Posted by: Jackdaddy63 at December 07, 2025 08:26 PM (l5Vun)
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Sometime next summer keep an eye on the main page left sidebar and send Ben Had a note expressing interest.

Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2025 08:30 PM (gzL+K)

180 Sucks it's not on any service, be it Prime, Hulu, Peacock, Tubi, etc.

That and Mr Ed got me thru my insomnia and 1st divorce.
Posted by: rickb223
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Try youtube. A lot of times it will have videos posted that are no longer of interest to streaming channels.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 08:30 PM (WDjG6)

181 Guys/Gals, maybe we should do some brainstorming:
Day one morning - Intro to AR15, Zeroing, 100 yards. PM - Ballistic tables, 200 and 300.
Day Two morning, ballistic tables, 300-500. PM, AR 10, ballistics, 500 +.
Survivors out to 1000.
Could be fun.
Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 08:26 PM

I'm liking this idea. Two diner breakfasts!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 08:31 PM (Wnv9h)

182 Nope, haven't been to the range. I'm waiting for the weather to break and maybe sneak in some time at the DNR range.

For a variety of reasons, 2025 is going to go down as The Year I Bought No Ammo.

Not that I'm in danger of running out. Indeed, storage remains an issue. The only calibers I'm close to being low on are the boutique ones. So now, I won't be able to hold out for long firing 8mm Nambu and 6.5mm Arisaka.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2025 08:31 PM (ZOv7s)

183 Many of the records were destroyed in a massive fire at the Center years ago, including my late Father's (WWII, 825th TD BN)
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at December 07, 2025 08:25 PM (2U/dF)

Per the NPRC's website, most of the records lost were Army (discharges from 1912-1959, 80% lost) and USAF (discharges 1947-1963, H-Z, 75% lost). That said, the National Archives has made effort to reconstruct at least some of these records, so it's still worth asking if NPRC has anything.

Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 08:32 PM (BCwQW)

184 @ 155 Others claimed we should have just blockaded them until they surrendered.Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2025 08:09 PM (pkeXY)

The people who complain about us dropping the bombs wouldn't have been happy with any useful solution, because they are 1) ignorant, 2) stupid, and, often, 3) anti-American.
__________________________________________________

And that makes them diff'rent from the ones today exactly HOW … ?

Posted by: Dr_No at December 07, 2025 08:33 PM (ayRl+)

185 If I promise to behave, can I come to the next Mo-me in Texas? I’m in Houston, so it can’t be more than a day’s drive
Posted by: Jackdaddy63 at December 07, 2025 08:26 PM (l5Vun)

Well, if you behave I don't know what there would be to do.

But, except for adding to the number of people who's name I would forget, I can't see a downside.

Posted by: GWB at December 07, 2025 08:33 PM (qipSb)

186
FeTV (Family channel) is currently running Highway Patrol, check the schedule. MeTV, Antenna TV and some of the others also run it from time to time, usually in the wee hours.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at December 07, 2025 08:34 PM (w6EFb)

187 Many of the records were destroyed in a massive fire at the Center years ago, including my late Father's (WWII, 825th TD BN)
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen

Army and Air Force (Corp) personnel records burned in a massive fire at the St Louis personnel records warehouse in the late 60's. Navy and Marine records weren't there but elsewhere so preserved. Ditto I think for Army unit histories, etc. It was the personnel files that burned and some folks have had to reconstruct their history for retirement, etc. from other sources of documents.

Had to do it for my father. But not all personnel records burned. If you know someone with an Ancestry dot com Fold 3 dot com account, they can search for what remains. That database includes a lot of really old land grants, pensions, and others going back to Revolutionary War times for those doing genealogy.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 08:35 PM (WDjG6)

188 Never argue with a cop and his gun on the side of the road, disengage as quickly as you can. Save the arguments for court if you truly are wronged.

Or you better damn well know what you are doing.

When TX DPS is bitching at me about what route I take to get to work, I let the trooper have it. And then he decided to bitch me out about the address on my DL. “Why do you have (town name here) on you address if you don’t live in town?” My response: “Take it up with the post office! They told me to use that address and I’m using it!”

Got a warning.

Posted by: Cow Demon at December 07, 2025 08:35 PM (4786I)

189 I'm in RI Red...this is exactly what I'm looking for...and I'm sure my Dino half will be interested, too.
Wow, this may erase all the bad in your permanent record...

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 07, 2025 08:36 PM (IQ6Gq)

190 And that makes them diff'rent from the ones today exactly HOW … ?
Posted by: Dr_No at December 07, 2025 08:33 PM (ayRl+)

Well, yeah.

Posted by: GWB at December 07, 2025 08:36 PM (VRLPm)

191
The legend is ol' Broderick was so drunk during shooting a few times, he couldn't stand up, and they would film him saying his lines lying down on the floor, rotating it on film and making it look like a wall.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at December 07, 2025 08:37 PM (w6EFb)

192 I wonder how many Pearl Harbor survivors are left.

Posted by: Cow Demon at December 07, 2025 08:37 PM (4786I)

193 181 Guys/Gals, maybe we should do some brainstorming:
Day one morning - Intro to AR15, Zeroing, 100 yards. PM - Ballistic tables, 200 and 300.
Day Two morning, ballistic tables, 300-500. PM, AR 10, ballistics, 500 +.
Survivors out to 1000.
Could be fun.
Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 08:26 PM

I'm liking this idea. Two diner breakfasts!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState

Me too!
like the idea of starting with basics, then 100 yds and moving out;

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 07, 2025 08:37 PM (t/2Uw)

194 Highway Patrol is on FeTV every morning.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2025 08:38 PM (pkeXY)

195 rick223b,
Playlist of all You Tube full episodes of Highway Patrol available. Looks like 157 episodes.

Link goes to Youtube
https://tinyurl.com/yppv664h

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 08:38 PM (WDjG6)

196 187/ Thanks Whig, that's great info. I have one uncle who served in the US Army in the Pacific, everyone else was Navy. I must look into this...

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 07, 2025 08:38 PM (IQ6Gq)

197 But, then, maybe just an Intro to Bolties in 6.5/.308.
Less of a Manual of Arms to know, and readily transferable to other bolt-actions. Intro on the 300 and Day 2 on the Long Range.
Would give plenty of hugging time later in the day.
Yup, gonna have to think about this.

Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 08:39 PM (3Aazl)

198 Me too!
like the idea of starting with basics, then 100 yds and moving out;
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 07, 2025 08:37 PM

This year we got my buddy, who never shot past 100 yards, out to about 850. You'll be amazed at what you can do.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 08:39 PM (Wnv9h)

199 I wonder how many Pearl Harbor survivors are left.
Posted by: Cow Demon at December 07, 2025 08:37 PM (4786I)

Redstate article says a dozen. None were strong enough to make it to the anniversary observance at Pearl Harbor this year. This is the first time no survivors have come to Hawaii for the anniversary.

Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 08:40 PM (BCwQW)

200 131 Grateful, have you checked out the National Personnel Records Center's website? As next of kin, you should be able to access your relatives' official military records (201 files). None of the files have been digitized, so you'll have to pay in order to have the clerks dig up the paperwork in question, make copies, and mail the copies to you. It may not be cheap, but this is the best way to get a definitive account of your relatives' military service.
Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 08:00 PM (BCwQW)

Thank you, Ed. I just requested my dad's service record. No particular reason (although I might apply for USAA/NFCU) but he's been gone for 12 years and it just felt like something I should have.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at December 07, 2025 08:42 PM (v23vE)

201 Or you better damn well know what you are doing.

When TX DPS is bitching at me about what route I take to get to work, I let the trooper have it. And then he decided to bitch me out about the address on my DL. “Why do you have (town name here) on you address if you don’t live in town?” My response: “Take it up with the post office! They told me to use that address and I’m using it!”

Got a warning.
Posted by: Cow Demon
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The longer you engage some of them, worse yet show them up, the more mischief can be made. You can be right but still have to wait for the drug dog to show up, etc. Certainly not all cops, but if you have seen recent problems in TN, basically the THP was given quotas for drunk drivers and traffic stops. Over 600 documented cases now since 2018 where the person was totally sober yet booked and charged with a DUI.

And now even the state legislature is beginning to get involved to determine how big the problem is by charging the TBI in Tennessee to compile statistics of all those innocent of DUI by trooper, region, etc. Right now it appears to be all regions of TN and in fact a ranking system for evaluations based on how many 'contacts' the trooper makes.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 08:42 PM (WDjG6)

202 Japan was foolish that day, my friends.
Posted by: toby928(c) at December 07, 2025 07:02 PM (jc0TO)

Tactically no. Strategically yes.
Posted by: Cow Demon at December 07, 2025 08:29 PM

They were tactically foolish, as well. There were no carriers in Pearl, and they didn't take out the fuel farms.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 07, 2025 08:43 PM (0sNs1)

203 Had to do it for my father. But not all personnel records burned. If you know someone with an Ancestry dot com Fold 3 dot com account, they can search for what remains. That database includes a lot of really old land grants, pensions, and others going back to Revolutionary War times for those doing genealogy.
Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 08:35 PM (WDjG6)
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My maternal grandfather was not impacted because he was a civilian contractor, technically working for American Airlines under Air Transport Command. He wore an Army-style uniform, with no rank and "ATC" badges.

In the 1980s, they were retroactively declared to be military veterans and he was very proud of his honorable discharge from the Air Force. When he died, I was in the ANG, and pulled strings to get myself assigned to his honor guard detail and played "Taps" over his casket.

I played "Taps" for my other grandfather, but as a civilian.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2025 08:43 PM (ZOv7s)

204 Try youtube. A lot of times it will have videos posted that are no longer of interest to streaming channels.
Posted by: whig

Whig, thank you!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2025 08:44 PM (9bIJg)

205 A number of years ago, I was doing a new upper denture for a patient - a couple of other practitioners had had tries to no avail, and he was very… defensive. As I was fitting it up with pressure paste, he asked what I was doing. I replied that it was a paste that showed areas that were too snug, kinda like using machinists bluing on a new bearing. He was very y surprised that I knew what that was - he’d been the head mechanic at the Cadillac dealership near Philly and was drafted in his 30s - did the pacific campaign as a SeaBee , fixing the equipment on the beachheads. He survived 4 invasions….
They were on the ships, headed for Japan and they knew it was going to be bad. Suddenly, the fleet stopped, sat there for 20 minutes and then turned and headed the other way. Word came down that they had dropped some new bomb on the Japanese and they’d surrendered.

Then his ship slowed down and the rest of the fleet pulled away. The XO came down’”Sergeant So-and -So? Captain wants to see you “
Captain told him that one of the prop shafts had overheated a bearing and they had heard he was a good mechanic and could pour a new one….

Posted by: Coelacanth at December 07, 2025 08:45 PM (i67OH)

206
Others claimed we should have just blockaded them until they surrendered.Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2025 08:09 PM (pkeXY)

___________

Considering the hammering the US Navy took off Okinawa, this doesn't strike me as a good alternative.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 07, 2025 08:45 PM (tgvbd)

207 Grateful,

Here are the unit records WWII Pacific for the Army (Hawaii, etc.) at the National Archives. Material is located at College Park Maryland National Archives facility. Link goes to teh National Archives dot gov

https://tinyurl.com/yux458rz

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 08:46 PM (WDjG6)

208 Redstate article says a dozen. None were strong enough to make it to the anniversary observance at Pearl Harbor this year. This is the first time no survivors have come to Hawaii for the anniversary.
Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 08:40 PM (BCwQW)
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We're now counting down to people who even remember it happening.

When I was still a teenager, I interviewed my maternal grandfather about his service and even took notes. I inherited his charts and flight log. He was a navigator on the transatlantic routes, working both north and south of the equator.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2025 08:46 PM (ZOv7s)

209 Others claimed we should have just blockaded them until they surrendered.Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2025 08:09 PM (pkeXY)

___________

Considering the hammering the US Navy took off Okinawa, this doesn't strike me as a good alternative.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 07, 2025 08:45 PM (tgvbd)

They couldn't do that twice. They gutted what was left of their navy and air force there.

Still...they weren't going to surrender. Especially not the IJA.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at December 07, 2025 08:47 PM (xcxpd)

210 I'm liking this idea. Two diner breakfasts!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 08:31 PM

RI Red: Gentlemen, we do not stop till nightfall.

Pippin: What about breakfast?
Merry: You’ve already had it.
Pippin: We’ve had one, yes. What about second breakfast?
Merry: Don’t think he knows about second breakfast, Pip.
Pippin: What about elevenses? Luncheon? Afternoon tea? Dinner? Supper? He knows about them, doesn’t he?

Merry: I wouldn’t count on it.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 07, 2025 08:48 PM (0sNs1)

211 Whig, thank you!
Posted by: rickb223
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No problem. You can find a lot of the old 50's black and white Dragnet episodes as well. While picture quality sucks on some, the older episodes are grittier than the second iteration of Dragnet in the 60's. Many of the older Dragnet episodes were directly lifted from the radio show scripts.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 08:48 PM (WDjG6)

212 Good books out there on Operation Downfall, the invasion of Japan. We would have taken many casualties.

Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 08:49 PM (3Aazl)

213 He told the captain “I’m an automobile mechanic, I have only worked on trucks and bulldozers, I’ve never worked on a ship”

Captain replied we can get home in 30 days or 60 days. Your choice. We’ve got everything we need to fix it, just nobody with experience

He was down to the engine room 10 minutes later. Took him two days.

Posted by: Coelacanth at December 07, 2025 08:49 PM (i67OH)

214 I wonder how many Pearl Harbor survivors are left.
Posted by: Cow Demon at December 07, 2025 08:37 PM (4786I)

Redstate article says a dozen. None were strong enough to make it to the anniversary observance at Pearl Harbor this year. This is the first time no survivors have come to Hawaii for the anniversary.
Posted by: Ed L

We may not have any left by this time next year.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2025 08:50 PM (9bIJg)

215 "As of the 84th anniversary of the Pearl Harbor attack on December 7, 2025, only 12 survivors of the December 7, 1941, attack remain alive, all of whom are centenarians and were unable to attend the remembrance ceremony this year.
This marks the first time in the history of the annual commemoration that no survivors were present at the event."

Posted by: toby928(c) at December 07, 2025 08:50 PM (jc0TO)

216 Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 07, 2025 08:48 PM

That went through my mind as I hit 'post'. LOL

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 08:51 PM (Wnv9h)

217 What if, instead of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the biggest naval base, and biggest army or air base were hit by the nukes? How would that have changed the surrender calculus?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2025 08:51 PM (npFr7)

218 202 Japan was foolish that day, my friends.
Posted by: toby928(c) at December 07, 2025 07:02 PM (jc0TO)

Tactically no. Strategically yes.
Posted by: Cow Demon at December 07, 2025 08:29 PM

They were tactically foolish, as well. There were no carriers in Pearl, and they didn't take out the fuel farms.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 07, 2025 08:43 PM (0sNs1)

The carriers not being there was not their fault. Missing the fuel and repair facilities was a blind spot in their planning/focus

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at December 07, 2025 08:51 PM (xcxpd)

219
Some of the shootout scenes from Highway Patrol are a hoot. They all shoot from the hip, willy-nilly. It goes something like this. Broderick and the boys move in on the bad guys, "Freeze, you're under arrest!"

Bad guys: "Cops!"

BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAMBLAMBLAM!

Smoke clears. Good guys are all okay, bad guys are toast.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at December 07, 2025 08:51 PM (w6EFb)

220 Yes, I went to the range. I've been sick, so it's been most of a month. I may have forgotten everything I ever learned about holding a pistol, but I managed to fire six or seven magazines through my 1911. I changed it up a little bit and put the target at 15 yards instead of 7. I, um, couldn't always see the holes I was making in the paper but I did, indeed, put holes in the paper.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at December 07, 2025 08:52 PM (VmDLh)

221 In the 1980s, they were retroactively declared to be military veterans and he was very proud of his honorable discharge from the Air Force. When he died, I was in the ANG, and pulled strings to get myself assigned to his honor guard detail and played "Taps" over his casket.

I played "Taps" for my other grandfather, but as a civilian.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd

Sorry that he died but it was surely some consolation to you to do what you did. Father had a traditional grave side sendoff from some active duty detachment of guys just back from the sandbox in Iraq.

FIL retired Nat. Guard after nearly thirty years and had similar sendoff, only due to bad weather (rain), the back of the chapel was opened at the funeral home and they did the traditional sendoff in the open air for him before we proceeded to the gravesite.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 08:52 PM (WDjG6)

222 They were tactically foolish, as well. There were no carriers in Pearl, and they didn't take out the fuel farms.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 07, 2025 08:43 PM (0sNs1)

There were understandable reasons for Nagumo to withdraw after the second raid. In no particular order:
- Plane/pilot losses. The 29 pilots/aircrew lost represented a quarter of the carrier trained aircrew produced annually. The IJN didn't want to risk losing more; the carriers were needed all over the Pacific to prepare the way for the invasions.
- Fuel. In order to hang around long enough for another raid, Nagumo would have risked running out of fuel for his ships. The supporting oilers were several hundred miles away.
- Increased opposition. Most of the losses suffered took place during the second raid. A third attack was likely to see a fully prepared and ready defense, increasing the risk of more losses.

Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 08:52 PM (BCwQW)

223 Good books out there on Operation Downfall, the invasion of Japan. We would have taken many casualties.
Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 08:49 PM

That reminds me...since this is a Smart Military Blog (TM), does anyone have any recommendations for books about the WWII merchant marine experience?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 08:52 PM (Wnv9h)

224 That went through my mind as I hit 'post'. LOL
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 08:51 PM (Wnv9h)

But Two Schilling beer fests!

Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 08:53 PM (3Aazl)

225 Smoke clears. Good guys are all okay, bad guys are toast.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at December 07, 2025 08:51 PM

Tell us about it.

Posted by: zombie Star Wars Storm Troopers at December 07, 2025 08:54 PM (0sNs1)

226
the older episodes are grittier than the second iteration of Dragnet in the 60's. Many of the older Dragnet episodes were directly lifted from the radio show scripts.
Posted by: whig

People actually got the gas chamber on the old Dragnet show. Nothing like that in the 60's version.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2025 08:54 PM (pkeXY)

227 220 Yes, I went to the range. I've been sick, so it's been most of a month. I may have forgotten everything I ever learned about holding a pistol, but I managed to fire six or seven magazines through my 1911. I changed it up a little bit and put the target at 15 yards instead of 7. I, um, couldn't always see the holes I was making in the paper but I did, indeed, put holes in the paper.
Posted by: Cybersmythe

That can be an issue sometimes. I used to tote binoculars (small ones) in my range bag just for that. Splatter target stickers though can sometimes help.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 08:54 PM (WDjG6)

228 Also feel free to discuss the retardation of those who thought we should invade the Jap mainland rather than drop a couple of atomic bombs to end the war.
Posted by: Weasel

I have read where we had Intel that they would resort to chemical weapons when we got to the homeland (Okinawa is viewed more as a territory). So much planning and stockpiling was in progress. Same article said they Intel that a massive chem counterstrike was planned and decided will never go there...

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 07, 2025 08:54 PM (/lPRQ)

229 But Two Schilling beer fests!
Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 08:53 PM

Mmm...brats in pretzel buns.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 08:55 PM (Wnv9h)

230 Someone identified you as Joe Mannix.
Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 08:17 PM (WDjG6)

I should have started wearing suits young, and dating hotties in short skirts.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at December 07, 2025 08:56 PM (xcxpd)

231 People actually got the gas chamber on the old Dragnet show. Nothing like that in the 60's version.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
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Also you got to see a lot of stars before they became notable actors in the 60's like Lee Marvin, the guy that played Floyd the Barber, etc.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 08:56 PM (WDjG6)

232 207/
Whig, thank you so much. And I am so close geographically to College Park. This particular uncle was a favorite, a loving jolly sort... I was stunned thru research to learn he was involved in the invasion of New Guinea....

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 07, 2025 08:56 PM (IQ6Gq)

233 But Two Schilling beer fests!
Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 08:53 PM

And/or Rosa Flamingos.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 08:56 PM (Wnv9h)

234 I should have started wearing suits young, and dating hotties in short skirts.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Learning to blow up cars with a snubbie is also useful.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 08:56 PM (WDjG6)

235 Wow, this may erase all the bad in your permanent record...
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 07, 2025 08:36 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Unlikely.

Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2025 08:56 PM (Z3lXG)

236 There were so many Purple Hearts made in anticipation of the invasion that we are still giving them out today.

Posted by: Chappyman66 at December 07, 2025 08:57 PM (GwqYh)

237 234 I should have started wearing suits young, and dating hotties in short skirts.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Learning to blow up cars with a snubbie is also useful.
Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 08:56 PM (WDjG6)

Good point. I hate snub nose .38's. I'd be a terrible agent for Intertect...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at December 07, 2025 08:57 PM (xcxpd)

238 People actually got the gas chamber on the old Dragnet show. Nothing like that in the 60's version.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
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Also you got to see a lot of stars before they became notable actors in the 60's like Lee Marvin, the guy that played Floyd the Barber, etc.
Posted by: whig

Clint Eastwood. Yeah. He's in Highway Patrol.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2025 08:57 PM (9bIJg)

239 Wow, this may erase all the bad in your permanent record...
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 07, 2025 08:36 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Unlikely.
Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2025 08:56 PM (Z3lXG)

I was afraid of that . . .

Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 08:58 PM (3Aazl)

240 Sorry that he died but it was surely some consolation to you to do what you did. Father had a traditional grave side sendoff from some active duty detachment of guys just back from the sandbox in Iraq.
Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 08:52 PM (WDjG6)
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Thank you. They both had good runs, reaching 90 or thereabouts. If they were alive today, they'd be world record holders. A friend of mine's father died just days before turning 102 a couple of years ago. He just kept chugging along, and every year they all gathered for his birthday because it could be his last. And one day it was true.

He was in a tank unit driving into Germany, badly wounded and his unit thought he was dead, but he returned to duty. Got a battlefield commission and made a career of it, retiring as an O5 (lack of a college degree meant O6 was out of the question).

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2025 09:00 PM (ZOv7s)

241 Whig, thank you so much. And I am so close geographically to College Park. This particular uncle was a favorite, a loving jolly sort... I was stunned thru research to learn he was involved in the invasion of New Guinea....
Posted by: The Grateful

College Park NARA (National Archives) is the big enchilada on records particularly of WWII. Well trained staff so to get the most out of the trip, consider trying to communicate with them about the purpose of your trip after digging up the references to what records you want to peruse.

Most security classification has probably been dropped over the years but you can run into surprising limits.

Few years ago I was in DC at the Library of Congress doing research on Supreme Court justices and their work process. Some of Earl Warren's papers were still classified (aka Warren Commission) back then. Dunno about status after Trump declassified other JFK records this year.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 09:00 PM (WDjG6)

242 Wow, this may erase all the bad in your permanent record...
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 07, 2025 08:36 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Unlikely.
Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2025 08:56 PM

Harsh, but fair.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 09:00 PM (Wnv9h)

243 Wow, this may erase all the bad in your permanent record...
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 07, 2025 08:36 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Unlikely.
Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2025 08:56 PM (Z3lXG)

I was afraid of that . . .
Posted by: RI Red
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Really? Alright, how about alot?

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 07, 2025 09:00 PM (IQ6Gq)

244 There were understandable reasons for Nagumo to withdraw after the second raid.
Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 08:52 PM

I won't argue that. Missing the carriers was huge, (and ultimately beneficial to the U.S., as it forcibly 'sidelined' the black shoe (surface) senior officers, and thrust the brown shoes (aviators) to the front. After Midway, there wasn't significant IJN aviation capability.

Destroying the fuel facilities would have added 6+ months to any capability to respond.

The U.S. would have won WWII based on industrial output, even without the bomb.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 07, 2025 09:00 PM (0sNs1)

245 Paternal grandfather was on a destroyer tender in WW1

Both of Dad’s older brothers were Navy in 2. Dad tried for the Marines but the rheumatic fever left him with a minor heart murmur, and it was early in’45 - he never went.

The middle brother was XO on a subchaser. As he put it, “Smallest thing that would make it across unrefueled. Nothing like seeing a North Atlantic winter storm wave come at you that’s taller than your ship is long… we didn’t have many atheists on board”

Posted by: Coelacanth at December 07, 2025 09:00 PM (jUN6x)

246 Thank you. They both had good runs, reaching 90 or thereabouts. If they were alive today, they'd be world record holders. A friend of mine's father died just days before turning 102 a couple of years ago. He just kept chugging along, and every year they all gathered for his birthday because it could be his last. And one day it was true.

He was in a tank unit driving into Germany, badly wounded and his unit thought he was dead, but he returned to duty. Got a battlefield commission and made a career of it, retiring as an O5 (lack of a college degree meant O6 was out of the question).

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd

My grandfather never made it back from WWII, Phillipine Islands. RIP.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 09:01 PM (WDjG6)

247 That reminds me...since this is a Smart Military Blog (TM), does anyone have any recommendations for books about the WWII merchant marine experience?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 08:52 PM (Wnv9h)
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Not a book, but check out "Action in the North Atlantic" with Humphrey Bogart. It was so realistic that it was used as a training film.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2025 09:02 PM (ZOv7s)

248 Wow, this may erase all the bad in your permanent record...
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at December 07, 2025 08:36 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Unlikely.
Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2025 08:56 PM (Z3lXG)

I was afraid of that . . .
Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 08:58 PM (3Aazl)
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It's called a "permanent record" for a reason...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 07, 2025 09:02 PM (ESVrU)

249 Good Night all
It is amazing how just talking about guns makes me happy. Not as happy as actually shooting them but i'll take what I can get.
Have a great week everybody.
Thanks Weasel.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 07, 2025 09:02 PM (t/2Uw)

250 My grandfather never made it back from WWII, Phillipine Islands. RIP.
Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 09:01 PM (WDjG6)
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I assume the liberation?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2025 09:03 PM (ZOv7s)

251 Good point. I hate snub nose .38's. I'd be a terrible agent for Intertect...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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A snubbie is weapon for a more elegant age. I think Bogie in one movie, Big Sleep, perhaps, had a dash panel that flipped so he could get his Detective Special from it for social occasions.

Course, he also taught a generation of not so bright movie watchers to flick shut the cylinder with a wrist twist. Which does damage to the revolver crane requiring special tools to fix (usually a trip to a gunsmith is required).

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 09:05 PM (WDjG6)

252 Not a book, but check out "Action in the North Atlantic" with Humphrey Bogart. It was so realistic that it was used as a training film.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2025 09:02 PM

Thanks. I'll check it out.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 09:05 PM (Wnv9h)

253 What if, instead of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the biggest naval base, and biggest army or air base were hit by the nukes? How would that have changed the surrender calculus?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2025 08:51 PM

Probably not. Hiroshima was a major naval base, they were training housewives to fight with sharpened broomsticks, and a big chunk of the military was in complete denial that they were losing. Mustache Man waiting for Steiner to show up was rational by comparison.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 07, 2025 09:05 PM (4mmkh)

254 I assume the liberation?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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Yep. Not Bataan Death March etc. thank the Lord.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 09:06 PM (WDjG6)

255 Good books out there on Operation Downfall, the invasion of Japan. We would have taken many casualties.
Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 08:49 PM (3Aazl)

Typhoon Louise struck Buckner Bay, Okinawa (the main staging point for the invasion of Kyushu) on October 9, 1945. Louise sank 12 ships and small craft, damaged 32, and grounded 222. The Kyushu invasion was tentatively scheduled for early to mid-November 1945. Had the full invasion fleet been gathered at Okinawa, it seems unlikely that it would have gotten off scot-free. Given that Halsey would have had command at the time and his dubious handling of the fleet during Typhoons Cobra (November 1944) and Connie (June 1945) earlier, the US might have suffered greater losses from Mother Nature than the Japanese.

Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 09:06 PM (BCwQW)

256 Not a book, but check out "Action in the North Atlantic" with Humphrey Bogart. It was so realistic that it was used as a training film.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd

Rent it for $3.99 on Prime

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2025 09:07 PM (9bIJg)

257 Posted by: Duncanthrax at December 07, 2025 09:00 PM (0sNs1)

The Japanese never gave logistics (theirs or the enemy's) the attention it really deserved for the entire war. The fuel tanks were not a priority target for them. The warships and planes were.

Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 09:13 PM (BCwQW)

258 Why do I even mention this? It is a .480 Ruger, the product of people who looked at the .44 Magnum and said "Hold my beer." A .44 Magnum throws a 240 grain bullet at 1500 fps. The .480 does 1500 fps with a 325 grain bullet.

If you went with the .460, you could have fired .45LC and .454 Casull - make range day a bit more survivable. A .45LC you can plink for hours. The full magnum, you don't fire, you detonate.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 07, 2025 09:15 PM (a4flb)

259 A snubbie is weapon for a more elegant age. I think Bogie in one movie, Big Sleep, perhaps, had a dash panel that flipped so he could get his Detective Special from it for social occasions.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 09:05 PM (WDjG6)

It is "The Big Sleep." IIRC, the other full size revolver in that panel was a Colt Official Police w/ a 5" or 6" barrel.

Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 09:15 PM (BCwQW)

260 Alas, I must leave and contemplate my Permanent Record.
Weasel, thank you as always. Commenters, that depends.

Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 09:16 PM (VWFmc)

261 "Do you have a methodology that works better for you?"

It is nothing like that guy in the first video!

My weakness is grip, so I always concentrate on grip that doesn't push my trigger finger. My goal is to keep my trigger finger as neutral as possible. Speed is for fun, but not for practice.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 07, 2025 09:16 PM (n9ltV)

262 Re the traffic stop video.

One is to know your state's laws as to carry within an automobile. If traveling by car, know each state that you plan to travel through and their laws. If necessary, take the long way to avoid troublesome jurisdictions which can also be cities in some cases (NYC for example or DC).

Handgunlaw dot us is one such website to check, some like the USCCA organization have their own, and there are some annual guides printed.

And know the limits and power of Firearm Owners' Protection Act of 1986 (FOPA) that sets conditions permitting people to travel across a state without a license, registration, etc. but the requirements must be followed strictly.

Story and link to Section 926A relevant for travel at concealedcarry dot com https://tinyurl.com/2fuk4xuu

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 09:17 PM (WDjG6)

263 Course, he also taught a generation of not so bright movie watchers to flick shut the cylinder with a wrist twist. Which does damage to the revolver crane requiring special tools to fix (usually a trip to a gunsmith is required).

how about fanning the revolver? That was gangster before the sideways Glock.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 07, 2025 09:17 PM (a4flb)

264 Last survivor of the USS Arizona just died last year at 102.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 07, 2025 09:18 PM (/RHNq)

265 It is "The Big Sleep." IIRC, the other full size revolver in that panel was a Colt Official Police w/ a 5" or 6" barrel.
Posted by: Ed L
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Remembered the one but not the other. Thanks.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 09:18 PM (WDjG6)

266 The caliber wars. Begun, have they. Yes.

Posted by: Eromero at December 07, 2025 09:19 PM (LHPAg)

267 The Japanese never gave logistics (theirs or the enemy's) the attention it really deserved for the entire war. The fuel tanks were not a priority target for them. The warships and planes were.
Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 09:13 PM (BCwQW)
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I read Richard Frank's book Downfall as part of research for Walls of Men, and a huge revelation to me was that the Japanese didn't really expect troops to get sick or wounded. They didn't really plan for that. The US was all about clearing stations for casualties, comforting them, getting to surgical facilities, and the Japanese were kind of "meh" on the whole thing.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2025 09:20 PM (ZOv7s)

268 If you went with the .460, you could have fired .45LC and .454 Casull - make range day a bit more survivable. A .45LC you can plink for hours. The full magnum, you don't fire, you detonate.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 07, 2025 09:15 PM

I handload, and even cast my own bullets. I expect my first task will be to create a wimpy target load that I can shoot without upsetting the servants or frightening the horses.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 07, 2025 09:20 PM (4mmkh)

269 CBD, I didn’t think you were allowed to talk about “gubs” in Merry Olde England.
In re grip, have we discussed the toothpaste tube approach?
Remind me the next time we meet!

Posted by: RI Red at December 07, 2025 09:21 PM (VWFmc)

270 Time for me to punch out.

Thanks for another great Gun Thread, Weasel!

See y'all in the Morning Report.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 07, 2025 09:22 PM (Wnv9h)

271 how about fanning the revolver? That was gangster before the sideways Glock.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure

Fanning actually was used by folks back before movies existed. That being said, gunmen of the era dismissed it mainly as a party trick gimmick and it was hard on the relatively fragile revolvers at the time.

If you ever read Ed McGivern's Book of Fast and Fancy Revolver Shooting (well recommended even now if you shoot revolvers), he discusses his talks with Old West gunmen and their attitude and experience with such. He could do it himself but did not think much of it.

McGivern was long time record holder of the fastest six shots from a revolver that hit the target until surpassed by Jerry Miculek.

Book is still in print.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 09:22 PM (WDjG6)

272 Think I'm going to cash in my chips for the night, y'all. I woke up stupidly early this morning and am having a hard time keeping my eyes open.

Thanks for being here and hope to see you again next Sunday.

Nite!

Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2025 09:22 PM (zMLZ6)

273 Thanks for another Gun Thread, Weasel.
Thank you, Horde.

Maybe I'll get some range time soon and can work on fundamentals.

Posted by: GWB at December 07, 2025 09:23 PM (eDA0P)

274 The caliber wars. Begun, have they. Yes.
Posted by: Eromero at December 07, 2025 09:19 PM (LHPAg)
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Oh goody. The .41 Magnum snobs are going to show up with their monocles and waxed mustaches and lecture us all on terminal ballistics yet again.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2025 09:24 PM (ZOv7s)

275 266 The caliber wars. Begun, have they. Yes.
Posted by: Eromero
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Same thing with battleship guns until tiny aircraft with bombs put paid to even the largest and most heavily armored battleship with the biggest guns.

Focus on training for the fight and not worry so much about the tools.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 09:24 PM (WDjG6)

276 how about fanning the revolver? That was gangster before the sideways Glock.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at December 07, 2025 09:17 PM (a4flb)

Blame trick shot artist Ed McGivern (1874-1957). He made this move famous using a modified SAA that allowed him to draw from a holster and shoot five rounds in 1.6 seconds. This will damage the revolver due to the speed of the cylinder's rotation.

Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 09:27 PM (BCwQW)

277 How many Pearl Harbor survivors are left?

From CNN:

Only 12 Pearl Harbor survivors remain. On the 84th anniversary, none can attend this year’s remembrance.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at December 07, 2025 09:27 PM (075ei)

278 Focus on training for the fight and not worry so much about the tools.
Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 09:24 PM (WDjG6)
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See also: Paul Harrell remarking that .357 magnum is a useless cartridge if you never hit the target.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2025 09:27 PM (ZOv7s)

279 Oh goody. The .41 Magnum snobs are going to show up with their monocles and waxed mustaches and lecture us all on terminal ballistics yet again.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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It is a nice cartridge but not a well supported one nowadays. Revolver people liking magnums either go down a notch to 357 Magnum or up to a 44 Magnum (leaving aside the TREX types like the 460 Rowland, etc.).

38-40 had a similar problem back in the day which is why you can find a fair number of them around versus the more popular 44-40 or 45 Colt.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 09:27 PM (WDjG6)

280 Thanks for hosting, Weasel! See you all next week!

Posted by: Ed L at December 07, 2025 09:28 PM (BCwQW)

281 38-40 had a similar problem back in the day which is why you can find a fair number of them around versus the more popular 44-40 or 45 Colt.
Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 09:27 PM (WDjG6)
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All I want for Christmas is .32 H&R Mag at fifty cents per round. Silly that it's still so high.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at December 07, 2025 09:30 PM (ZOv7s)

282 Blame trick shot artist Ed McGivern (1874-1957). He made this move famous using a modified SAA that allowed him to draw from a holster and shoot five rounds in 1.6 seconds. This will damage the revolver due to the speed of the cylinder's rotation.
Posted by: Ed L
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Old West gunmen did it well before Ed McGivern, he actually discusses it in his book about his lessons from them. IIRC, one such gunfight recounted in the book had a young buck that was fanning his hammer and hit no one, the other guy cooling put a killshot into the young buck by pointing and aiming instead of tomfoolery.

Westerns then picked up teh technique because it was flashy along with other bad demonstrations. The one exception was Sammy Davis Junior who was a true quick draw artist on par with Thell Reed. Sammy had a large collection of historic and exemplary single action revolvers at one time as well.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 09:31 PM (WDjG6)

283 Midol … see everyone next time around …

Posted by: Dr_No at December 07, 2025 09:32 PM (ayRl+)

284 Thank you for hosting, Weasel. My favorite thread week in and week out.

Posted by: Chappyman66 at December 07, 2025 09:34 PM (GwqYh)

285 All I want for Christmas is .32 H&R Mag at fifty cents per round. Silly that it's still so high.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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This cartridge, like the others mentioned above is a reloading proposition if you want to shoot cheaply.

Reload if Starline can get the brass. Quite a few bullets suitable for 32 loading in cast or jacketed revolvers that work for the 32 S&W Long, 32-20, and the 32 H&R. Fair number of powders work and you don't need much of it, bullets easy to come by (thank the cowboy shooters for that), and that just leaves the case and primers. Primers are standard small pistol and thus only the case is the issue. That is less of an issue if you shoot 32 S&W Long brass in your 32 H&R.

I like Acme with their Hi Tek coated SWC bullets as you don't get the fouling you typically get with lead in an old gun.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 09:36 PM (WDjG6)

286 Holy shit. Demi Moore's character on Landman just poured an entire bottle of whiskey onto Jon Hamm's character's grave.

It was a bottle of Pappy Van Winkle.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2025 09:37 PM (9bIJg)

287 I forgot to thank Weasel and the others for a very pleasant evening. Thank you and good night as I am fighting off a bad cold again. Time for Nyquil and bed.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 09:37 PM (WDjG6)

288 Holy shit. Demi Moore's character on Landman just poured an entire bottle of whiskey onto Jon Hamm's character's grave.

It was a bottle of Pappy Van Winkle.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2025 09:37 PM (9bIJg)

I hope they had the decency to use stunt whiskey. Some cold tea would do.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2025 09:39 PM (npFr7)

289 A snubbie is weapon for a more elegant age.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 09:05 PM (WDjG6)

Like the light sabre. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 07, 2025 09:41 PM (snZF9)

290 Holy shit. Demi Moore's character on Landman just poured an entire bottle of whiskey onto Jon Hamm's character's grave.

It was a bottle of Pappy Van Winkle.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2025 09:37 PM (9bIJg)

I hope they had the decency to use stunt whiskey. Some cold tea would do.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2025 09:39 PM (npFr7)

Seriously, AOP. That would be a travesty if it was real Pappy.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at December 07, 2025 09:45 PM (v23vE)

291 Great thread tonight Weasel. You are the man!

Posted by: Rancherbob at December 07, 2025 09:45 PM (LYOiu)

292 289 A snubbie is weapon for a more elegant age.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 09:05 PM (WDjG6)

Like the light sabre. lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 07, 2025 09:41 PM (snZF9)
Efrem Zymbalist of eff bee eye approves.

Posted by: Eromero at December 07, 2025 09:45 PM (LHPAg)

293 Also feel free to discuss the retardation of those who thought we should invade the Jap mainland rather than drop a couple of atomic bombs to end the war.
Posted by: Weasel at December 07, 2025 07:21 PM (64qRd)

Nothing to discuss. They earned a few balmy 72,000,000 degree days with 800mph winds from the west.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 07, 2025 09:51 PM (snZF9)

294 Others claimed we should have just blockaded them until they surrendered.Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 07, 2025 08:09 PM (pkeXY)

Which would have starved the old men and women first, then the women and children, and then non-combatants nation-wide.
The bombs were the soft option I am afraid.

The Japanese weren't going to give up on the first bomb for a number of reason, but also because their Germans most likely told them that it was impossible to have gathered more than one bomb worth of U-235

Posted by: Kindltot at December 07, 2025 09:54 PM (rbvCR)

295 The Japanese weren't going to give up on the first bomb for a number of reason, but also because their Germans most likely told them that it was impossible to have gathered more than one bomb worth of U-235

IIRC, they were right, kinda. The second bomb was a plutonium bomb.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at December 07, 2025 09:56 PM (VmDLh)

296 Thank you, Weasel, and Gubthreaders for another well-spent Sunday evening!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at December 07, 2025 09:56 PM (v23vE)

297 251 Good point. I hate snub nose .38's. I'd be a terrible agent for Intertect...
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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A snubbie is weapon for a more elegant age. I think Bogie in one movie, Big Sleep, perhaps, had a dash panel that flipped so he could get his Detective Special from it for social occasions.

Course, he also taught a generation of not so bright movie watchers to flick shut the cylinder with a wrist twist. Which does damage to the revolver crane requiring special tools to fix (usually a trip to a gunsmith is required).
Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 09:05 PM (WDjG6)

They are convenient sized and they will punch holes with wadcutter rounds but they are MISERABLE to shoot. So I have grounded mine and gone with subcompact automatics which recoil less and reload faster. Judge me if you must but the Taurus 709 is lighter, and much more pleasant to shoot and practice with.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at December 07, 2025 10:00 PM (xcxpd)

298 84 years ago?
FDR fucced up.
We should have surrendered the next day.

Posted by: Barack, hates "victory" at December 07, 2025 10:02 PM (r6f6k)

299 A snubbie is weapon for a more elegant age. I think Bogie in one movie, Big Sleep, perhaps, had a dash panel that flipped so he could get his Detective Special from it for social occasions.

Course, he also taught a generation of not so bright movie watchers to flick shut the cylinder with a wrist twist. Which does damage to the revolver crane requiring special tools to fix (usually a trip to a gunsmith is required).
Posted by: whig at December 07, 2025 09:05 PM (WDjG6)

They are convenient sized and they will punch holes with wadcutter rounds but they are MISERABLE to shoot. So I have grounded mine and gone with subcompact automatics which recoil less and reload faster. Judge me if you must but the Taurus 709 is lighter, and much more pleasant to shoot and practice with.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

I miss the Ruger Speed Six and the Taurus CIA in .357 magnum.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 07, 2025 10:04 PM (9bIJg)

300 Oh goody. The .41 Magnum snobs are going to show up with their monocles and waxed mustaches and lecture us all on terminal ballistics yet again.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd

I may have won an auction for a Spanish made revolver in .44 American. I am going to be in the market for .41 Mag brass soon.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 07, 2025 10:06 PM (rbvCR)

301 Those biscuits and sausage gravy would make me want to call it an early night too. I'll be raiding the chicken coop tomorrow for breakfast eggs.

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at December 08, 2025 12:16 AM (1zOXE)

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