First World Problems...

It was in the pool!

Old houses with hardwood floors have this peculiar problem, particularly if there is very little or no subfloor. They used to try to fill the gaps between the separating boards with putty mixed with sawdust, or chewing gum, or the blood of their enemies, or whatever. It never works.

Newer hardwood floors laid on subfloor is better! So I guess the only answer is to gut the old part of the house! Remove all of the flooring, add subfloor, then raise the ceilings because of the loss of height, then raise the second floor for the same reason, and then just nuke it from orbit!

Or fire. Fire fixes all ills!

Posted by: CBD at 02:00 PM

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1 You’re still wearing shoes in the house, aren’t you?

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 30, 2025 02:02 PM (mT+6a)

2 boil giant vats of water in the house and get it up to 100% humidity for a few weeks. your floorboards will swell and the cracks will disappear!

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at November 30, 2025 02:05 PM (YYotJ)

3 Pull it up and install new engineered flooring.

Posted by: Accomack at November 30, 2025 02:05 PM (FqNtp)

4 "Fire fixes all ills!" - Hong Kong developer

Too soon?

Posted by: SciVo at November 30, 2025 02:06 PM (Sy6m/)

5 I'm pretty sure there are resin fillers which last forever.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at November 30, 2025 02:07 PM (mOv6P)

6 I'm going through Mom's coats and robes to give to Goodwill. Sad, but also funny, because in addition to all the Kleenex stuffed in pockets and tucked in sleeves, there are shopping lists (more Kleenex!) and a recipe for chili, which sounds really good on a cold day like today.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 30, 2025 02:07 PM (kpS4V)

7 I'm pretty sure there are resin fillers which last forever.

aka Velveeta

Posted by: Archimedes at November 30, 2025 02:07 PM (Riz8t)

8 Put a throw rug over it.

Posted by: Ronster at November 30, 2025 02:07 PM (Z7eKX)

9 Newer hardwood floors laid on subfloor is better! So I guess the only answer is to gut the old part of the house! Remove all of the flooring, add subfloor, then raise the ceilings because of the loss of height, then raise the second floor for the same reason, and then just nuke it from orbit!

Or fire. Fire fixes all ills!

Or, as the old codgers in my childhood neighborhood in The Bronx called it, 'Jewish lightning'.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 30, 2025 02:08 PM (0CU3H)

10 Too soon?
Posted by: SciVo at November 30, 2025 02:06 PM (Sy6m/)

No, Too Soon was able to get out alive.

But his neighbor, Yoo Tu Slo didn't make it.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2025 02:09 PM (4MR3n)

11 I fixed the supplies to the basement laundry using Sharbites and PEX b. I will switch back to copper and ProPress later because PEX restricts the flow too much.

Posted by: Accomack at November 30, 2025 02:09 PM (FqNtp)

12 I'm pretty sure there are resin fillers which last forever.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at November 30, 2025 02:07 PM (mOv6P)

Forever is a long time.

Posted by: Ozzie Mandias at November 30, 2025 02:10 PM (4MR3n)

13

HARDWOOD IS RACIS!!!!!

Posted by: Fat Screeching Melanotic C*** at November 30, 2025 02:11 PM (y9LVw)

14 4 "Fire fixes all ills!" - Hong Kong developer

Too soon?
Posted by: SciVo at November 30, 2025 02:06 PM (Sy6m/)
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"Not if you are someone who used CTRL-F to find Hong Kong before posting yourself." - Someone Who Used CTRL-F

Posted by: Another Anon at November 30, 2025 02:12 PM (4h45B)

15 Or fire. Fire fixes all ills!

Posted by: CBD

So you've identified the solution.... Make it so!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at November 30, 2025 02:12 PM (AsaWd)

16 Growing up in the US, we lived in early 20th century apartment buildings. The wooden slatted floors were super hard. They rarely splinted and only occasionally needed to be sanded and polished. I assume they were either teak or oak.

And yes, we wore shoes in the house all the time.

I haven't see such quality wood installed in the last 20-30 years.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at November 30, 2025 02:12 PM (mOv6P)

17 Stop being a cheapskate and just buy a modern wood filler, you know, something made this century.

Or take Ronster's advice and put a rug on it.

Posted by: Fritzy at November 30, 2025 02:13 PM (2GIh1)

18 FWP - Internet connectivity suddenly stopped working while attempting to install a wireless router.

On the phone with tech support right now.

Even a direct wired connection to my computer no longer works.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 30, 2025 02:14 PM (ov4D3)

19 Or take Ronster's advice and put a rug on it.
Posted by: Fritzy at November 30, 2025 02:13 PM (2GIh1)

I hate rugs. The cat litter sand gets... everywhere.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2025 02:14 PM (MxCkF)

20 Nah, just mix some sawdust with a little wood glue, file it, sand.it, and then a little polyurethane or varnish to blend it in.
Piece of cake and next guy's problem when it inevitably fails.

Posted by: From about That Time at November 30, 2025 02:15 PM (sl73Y)

21 FWP - Internet connectivity suddenly stopped working while attempting to install a wireless router.

On the phone with tech support right now.

Even a direct wired connection to my computer no longer works.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel

subnet issues.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at November 30, 2025 02:15 PM (AsaWd)

22 FWP - Internet connectivity suddenly stopped working while attempting to install a wireless router.

On the phone with tech support right now.

Even a direct wired connection to my computer no longer works.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 30, 2025 02:14 PM (ov4D3)

Did you check to see if it's plugged in?

Did you try turning it off and turning it back on?

Ok, that's the extent of my tech support knowledge.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2025 02:16 PM (EDXUr)

23 going through Mom's coats and robes to give to Goodwill. Sad, but also funny, because in addition to all the Kleenex stuffed in pockets and tucked in sleeves, there are shopping lists (more Kleenex!) and a recipe for chili, which sounds really good on a cold day like today.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 30, 2025 02:07 PM (kpS4V)

When I cleaned out the MIL's house, same thing with the kleenex. Filled a bedroom trach bucket completely with just crumpled kleenex.

Posted by: From about That Time at November 30, 2025 02:17 PM (sl73Y)

24 Unfixable.

Time to move.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 30, 2025 02:18 PM (cYBz/)

25 If it’s in the kitchen and you have children, the cracks will eventually fill with an amalgamation of oatmeal, apple juice, cracker crumbs and other unidentifiable materials that will form a substance harder than titanium but of a color that makes it obvious there is a crack in the floor and you live in a pig sty. Regular people will look down on you and mock you behind your back.

Posted by: Charles Martel at November 30, 2025 02:18 PM (smrxK)

26 Nah, just mix some sawdust with a little wood glue, file it, sand.it, and then a little polyurethane or varnish to blend it in.
Piece of cake and next guy's problem when it inevitably fails.
Posted by: From about That Time at November 30, 2025 02:15 PM (sl73Y)

Best if you put the steps in separate bullet points.

Step 1: Mix glue/sawdust
Step 2: File it
Step 3: Sand it
Step 4: Polish or varnish to blend it in
Step 5: Call a carpenter who actually knows what the f**k he's doing

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2025 02:18 PM (LTnl5)

27 Use a floor toupee...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 30, 2025 02:19 PM (ynpvh)

28 shrinkage!

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at November 30, 2025 02:19 PM (2+43V)

29 Step 5: Call a carpenter who actually knows what the f**k he's doing
Posted by: BurtTC

Whoa!!! Let's not go crazy here!

Posted by: Tonypete at November 30, 2025 02:19 PM (cYBz/)

30 Did you check to see if it's plugged in?

Did you try turning it off and turning it back on?

Ok, that's the extent of my tech support knowledge.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2025 02:16 PM (EDXUr)
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Yep. Did both *before* calling tech support.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 30, 2025 02:20 PM (ov4D3)

31 Unfixable.
Time to move.
Posted by: Tonypete

This guy gets it

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at November 30, 2025 02:21 PM (2+43V)

32 Raise the ceiling? What are you installing, a subfloor or a platform? 3/4" outdoor plywood was good enough for my uncle's own house (he was a contractor/builder), so.it should be god enough for you. 😁
Although I imagine there's something better out there today, and it'll be even thinner.

Posted by: buddhaha at November 30, 2025 02:21 PM (xUY/n)

33 23 going through Mom's coats and robes to give to Goodwill. Sad, but also funny, because in addition to all the Kleenex stuffed in pockets and tucked in sleeves, there are shopping lists (more Kleenex!) and a recipe for chili, which sounds really good on a cold day like today.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 30, 2025 02:07 PM (kpS4V)

When I cleaned out the MIL's house, same thing with the kleenex. Filled a bedroom trach bucket completely with just crumpled kleenex.

Posted by: From about That Time at November 30, 2025 02:17 PM (sl73Y)

My grandma had an old joke in her purse. It was about a priest who put an ass in a horse race, with the headline in the papers the next day being "Priest's ass shows"...eventually the headlines become more risque with finally the Pope having a heart attack from the last headline.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 30, 2025 02:21 PM (ynpvh)

34 28 shrinkage!

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at November 30, 2025 02:19 PM (2+43V)

There are pills for that...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 30, 2025 02:22 PM (ynpvh)

35 We installed t&g hardwood floors in the 60s when we were in high school. Those floors last many lifetimes if the subfloor is 6” or 8” X 1/2” boards clear of knots. This was on 2x8 or 2x10 joist system 16” OC.

Posted by: Eromero at November 30, 2025 02:22 PM (i+bC1)

36 My mate decided that being furloughed during the government shutdown was a good chance to rip up the floors and lay down new ones. This involved completely clearing out my office, which displaced all of my books. Still putting it back together.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 30, 2025 02:22 PM (vKEG1)

37 "Perfessor" did you try reversing the polarities?

Seemed to work for Scotty.

Posted by: Fritzy at November 30, 2025 02:23 PM (2GIh1)

38 From the previous thread comments
MBnel (whose real name is Jhonel Dongon) was arrested on charges of false compartment activity

False compartment activity? WTF.

Posted by: From about That Time at November 30, 2025 02:25 PM (sl73Y)

39 "subnet issues.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron"

DNS. It's always DNS.

Posted by: fd at November 30, 2025 02:25 PM (vFG9F)

40 My sister had a very old house in Milwaukee, they redid the old floors, which were like 6" wide with huge gaps between each board. And they were wavy ... they didn't fill the cracks all the way, it was just part of the charm.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 30, 2025 02:26 PM (vbXSk)

41 My mate decided that being furloughed during the government shutdown was a good chance to rip up the floors and lay down new ones.

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Sen. Markwayne Mullin Warns of “Real Possibility” of Another Democrat Shutdown in January

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Stranger In a Strange Land at November 30, 2025 02:26 PM (L/fGl)

42 18 FWP - Internet connectivity suddenly stopped working while attempting to install a wireless router.

On the phone with tech support right now.

Even a direct wired connection to my computer no longer works.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 30, 2025 02:14 PM (ov4D3)

I love getting emails from my provider when there's an outage...I guess they expect me to use my cell phone to check my email and their website...
They must've gotten their training from those VCR tapes on how to connect your VCR...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 30, 2025 02:26 PM (ynpvh)

43 So I guess the only answer is to gut the old part of the house! Remove all of the flooring, add subfloor, then raise the ceilings because of the loss of height, then raise the second floor for the same reason
-----------
So a one weekend, DIY project.

Posted by: scampydog at November 30, 2025 02:27 PM (41CYW)

44
DNS. It's always DNS.
Posted by: fd

DNS wouldn't affect local connection.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at November 30, 2025 02:27 PM (AsaWd)

45 39 "subnet issues.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron"

DNS. It's always DNS.

Posted by: fd at November 30, 2025 02:25 PM (vFG9F)

Did Not Sense...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 30, 2025 02:27 PM (ynpvh)

46 There is a new material suitable for injection molding that is made from finely ground wood "flour" and isomalt. It melts and acts like thermoplastic or Bakelite, and is biodegradable.
It will break down quickly in contact with water, but the researchers engineering it say that can be prevented by coating it.

https://tinyurl.com/3p2zat5s

Posted by: Kindltot at November 30, 2025 02:27 PM (rbvCR)

47 Our cottage has heart pine flooring over 3x8 pine beams 24” OC. No issues with gaps or loosening. because the humidity is ambient.

Posted by: Accomack at November 30, 2025 02:28 PM (Dpv2s)

48 Those floors last many lifetimes if the subfloor is 6” or 8” X 1/2” boards clear of knots. This was on 2x8 or 2x10 joist system 16” OC.
Posted by: Eromero at November

Haven't seen a house built with real boards in years. All plywood, and for a good while now shitty composite plywood at that.

Posted by: From about That Time at November 30, 2025 02:29 PM (sl73Y)

49 Willowed:

192 "...gas is about $2.50 most everywhere, and eggs are $1.95.
Posted by: M. Gaga at November 30, 2025 01:53 PM (KiBMU)"

$2.50? I topped off for $2.27.
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 30, 2025 01:55 PM (4786I)

Chevron holding steady at $4.89/gal here. And eggs are $5 or $6 per dozen in Vons but you can get them on sale sometimes for under $3.

Both self inflicted conditions. Word is gas is gonna be $8+ /gal once a few more refineries close in the near future...

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 30, 2025 02:29 PM (QGaXH)

50 Had hardwood floors in our place in CA. Found someone talented enough to repair a couple spots with matching wood. He got the pieces stained pretty damn close to the originals, and the key, according to him, was the size of the grain.

Patching is possible. If someone knows what they're doing.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 30, 2025 02:32 PM (NwnyJ)

51 So, I bought a heavy duty washer and dryer about three decades ago. After twenty years, the heating element for the dryer died. I had to install a new one. Another eight years, and that element died. I had to install a new one. Another three years, and the element died again. Even the spare parts are going downhill now.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at November 30, 2025 02:33 PM (0U5gm)

52
I take it separating boards lead to other, larger problems?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 30, 2025 02:33 PM (n7rxJ)

53 Both self inflicted conditions. Word is gas is gonna be $8+ /gal once a few more refineries close in the near future...
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 30, 2025 02:29 PM (QGaXH)

Imagine if there are only three refineries and one is down for maintenance, and the other shuts down from a fire, and the only way to get more gas into the state is by highway tanker, and the passes are icy.
The only remaining way in is by ship, and all the tankers available are foreign hulls, and can't ship gasoline from any American port to California because of the Jones act.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 30, 2025 02:34 PM (rbvCR)

54 FWP - Internet connectivity suddenly stopped working while attempting to install a wireless router.

On the phone with tech support right now.

Even a direct wired connection to my computer no longer works.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 30, 2025 02:14 PM (ov4D3)

You might have loosened the coax connection to the cable modem, or you inadvertently unplugged the cable modem. Follow the round white cable coming from the wall. That small box that it plugs into is the cable modem. There should be an LED on it that lights when it's powered on. Next up would be the Ethernet cable from the cable modem that you can plug in to your computer. If all of those connections are good, the problem is most likely outside the house...

Posted by: Joe Kidd at November 30, 2025 02:34 PM (nbLIj)

55 I finally relented and turned on the forced air heating this morning. Been using my oil radiator heater downstairs as I hate the dryness and burned dust smell of forced air.

Wish I had natural gas. That’s the best.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 30, 2025 02:36 PM (mT+6a)

56 FWP. It's only Nov 30th and I am sick of shoveling snow.

Posted by: scampydog at November 30, 2025 02:36 PM (41CYW)

57 Follow the round white cable coming from the wall. That small box that it plugs into is the cable modem. There should be an LED on it that lights when it's powered on. Next up would be the Ethernet cable from the cable modem that you can plug in to your computer. If all of those connections are good, the problem is most likely outside the house...
Posted by: Joe Kidd at November 30, 2025 02:34 PM (nbLIj)

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Internet goes into the cable modem OK. But doesn't come out of the cable modem OK. The wireless router says I'm green across the board, but won't talk directly to my desktop computer via Ethernet. For some reason I can use the wireless on my desktop computer, but NOT on my laptop computer. It's very strange.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 30, 2025 02:37 PM (ov4D3)

58 Step 5: Call a carpenter who actually knows what the f**k he's doing
Posted by: BurtTC

Whoa!!! Let's not go crazy here!
Posted by: Tonypete at November 30, 2025 02:19 PM (cYBz/)

Mrs D learned years ago that sometimes it's better to have a handy man, than a man handy.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 30, 2025 02:37 PM (y3bZw)

59 Tack a straightedge to the floor next to the crack. Pass a router along the crack, rout it out 1/2" wide, and half the depth of the boards. Cut a strip of the same color oak, make the exact width of the routed slot, and tad thicker than the slot is deep. Glue into the slots with Gorilla Glue, use weights to press it in tight until the glue sets (overnight). Do all such faulty joints like that. Use a belt sander on the strips to bring them down to the level of the floor, then switch to a floor sander, and sand and then refinish the entire floor.

Or: move furniture to hide crack.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 30, 2025 02:39 PM (npFr7)

60
We have shoveling to do here in Wyoming. The snow is still heavily falling.

It is very pretty now. It won't be as pretty when we have to shovel it, lol.

Posted by: fourseasons at November 30, 2025 02:39 PM (3ek7K)

61 CBD,

Put a paper bag over your head, so you don't see the cracks, think Virtuous Thoughts and say Virtuous Things. Don't forget the Land Acknowlegements and to always end by blaming the Bad Orange Man.

Posted by: City Councils in Blue Cities All Over America at November 30, 2025 02:39 PM (PiwSw)

62 Take an axe, chop similar slits in the rest of the floor. Tell visitors.it a totally new design by (inseet fancy sounding name here) interior designer.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 30, 2025 02:43 PM (y3bZw)

63 49 Willowed:

192 "...gas is about $2.50 most everywhere, and eggs are $1.95.
Posted by: M. Gaga at November 30, 2025 01:53 PM (KiBMU)"

$2.50? I topped off for $2.27.
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 30, 2025 01:55 PM (4786I)

Chevron holding steady at $4.89/gal here. And eggs are $5 or $6 per dozen in Vons but you can get them on sale sometimes for under $3.

Both self inflicted conditions. Word is gas is gonna be $8+ /gal once a few more refineries close in the near future...

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 30, 2025 02:29 PM (QGaXH)

Yeah, gas at Costco was $4.299/gal here just last week. I blame Kalifornia.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 30, 2025 02:43 PM (ynpvh)

64 There is a new material suitable for injection molding that is made from finely ground wood "flour" and isomalt. It melts and acts like thermoplastic or Bakelite, and is biodegradable.
It will break down quickly in contact with water, but the researchers engineering it say that can be prevented by coating it.

https://tinyurl.com/3p2zat5s
Posted by: Kindltot
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It breaks down if the coating fails and water gets to it?
How long before LP brings out siding made from.it?

Posted by: buddhaha at November 30, 2025 02:43 PM (xUY/n)

65 62 Take an axe, chop similar slits in the rest of the floor. Tell visitors.it a totally new design by (inseet fancy sounding name here) interior designer.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 30, 2025 02:43 PM (y3bZw)

It's the aged look, like what's done to furniture and tables...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 30, 2025 02:43 PM (ynpvh)

66 Internet goes into the cable modem OK. But doesn't come out of the cable modem OK. The wireless router says I'm green across the board, but won't talk directly to my desktop computer via Ethernet. For some reason I can use the wireless on my desktop computer, but NOT on my laptop computer. It's very strange.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 30, 2025 02:37 PM (ov4D3

Wireless driver on your laptop was lost. You can try to restart the laptop's wireless device from device manager, or check the internet for an updated driver..

Posted by: Joe Kidd at November 30, 2025 02:45 PM (nbLIj)

67 60
We have shoveling to do here in Wyoming. The snow is still heavily falling.

It is very pretty now. It won't be as pretty when we have to shovel it, lol.

Posted by: fourseasons at November 30, 2025 02:39 PM (3ek7K)

It's chilly today. High will be around 67°F...the low was 50°F early this morning! Oh, the horror!

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 30, 2025 02:45 PM (ynpvh)

68 FWP here is there was large pecan pie for Thanksgiving dinner and no one took any of the leftover home. It's on me to ~~eat~~ disposition it. There's a gallon of milk in the fridge, too.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 30, 2025 02:46 PM (3Ope8)

69 66 Internet goes into the cable modem OK. But doesn't come out of the cable modem OK. The wireless router says I'm green across the board, but won't talk directly to my desktop computer via Ethernet. For some reason I can use the wireless on my desktop computer, but NOT on my laptop computer. It's very strange.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 30, 2025 02:37 PM (ov4D3

Wireless driver on your laptop was lost. You can try to restart the laptop's wireless device from device manager, or check the internet for an updated driver..

Posted by: Joe Kidd at November 30, 2025 02:45 PM (nbLIj)

Is network hidden? Did you do a search for new networks? The other day, my wifi was having issues, so my son was supposed to cycle power, but instead hit the reset button...it defaulted to the cable company's default settings. Had to log into the router and change everything back.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 30, 2025 02:46 PM (ynpvh)

70 The house we live in was built in the mid 50s with 5/8 t&g finish floors which are fine, but some of the floor has rot undermeath. We need to replace about 400 sf of joist and system. This project is what we call a bitchkitty. After I retire.

Posted by: Eromero at November 30, 2025 02:47 PM (i+bC1)

71 68 FWP here is there was large pecan pie for Thanksgiving dinner and no one took any of the leftover home. It's on me to eat disposition it. There's a gallon of milk in the fridge, too.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 30, 2025 02:46 PM (3Ope

Such a TERRIBLE problem...If I lived closer I might volunteer to help you with that Hurculean task...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 30, 2025 02:47 PM (ynpvh)

72
Jim,

That is so sad. I hope ya'll survive the weather, lol.

Posted by: fourseasons at November 30, 2025 02:50 PM (3ek7K)

73 53 Imagine if there are only three refineries and one is down for maintenance, and the other shuts down from a fire, and the only way to get more gas into the state is by highway tanker, and the passes are icy.
The only remaining way in is by ship, and all the tankers available are foreign hulls, and can't ship gasoline from any American port to California because of the Jones act.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 30, 2025 02:34 PM (rbvCR)

If the planned closures occur we'll be down to about 8 refineries statewide.

We 'can't' import gasoline because we have a state EPA mandated special blend - only made and sold here and I believe also in Wa and Ore which is why their prices are so high.

So the refiners have a captive market willing to pay almost any price and still they are closing the refinery. No just selling it - shuttering it. The state must be threatening to start jailing the executives and confiscating their personal wealth for them to be willing to walk away from the pot of gold that is California.

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 30, 2025 02:51 PM (QGaXH)

74
We have a pecan pie left. The apple pie and pumpkin pie disappeared quickly.

Posted by: fourseasons at November 30, 2025 02:52 PM (3ek7K)

75 Experiment with your stain to get the color you want then, as you said, sawdust and putty. It's not structural so your main goal is color and textural appearance.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 30, 2025 02:52 PM (owKS5)

76 James Woods @RealJamesWoods

These coincidences don’t even shock us anymore. If there is a Democrat involved, they are expected.

@amuse @amuse

COLOR REVOLUTION: Seditious Six member Senator Elissa Slotkin spoke at the Brookings Institute last month, predicting an incident involving National Guard. She estimated that it would take place in around two weeks from when she spoke.

X video: https://bit.ly/4amhKAo

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 30, 2025 02:53 PM (P5BPp)

77 So the refiners have a captive market willing to pay almost any price and still they are closing the refinery. No just selling it - shuttering it. The state must be threatening to start jailing the executives and confiscating their personal wealth for them to be willing to walk away from the pot of gold that is California.
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 30, 2025 02:51 PM (QGaXH)

What do you need gas for in California? You can drive your electric car, or take the high-speed rail.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 30, 2025 02:53 PM (npFr7)

78 73
...
So the refiners have a captive market willing to pay almost any price and still they are closing the refinery. No just selling it - shuttering it. The state must be threatening to start jailing the executives and confiscating their personal wealth for them to be willing to walk away from the pot of gold that is California.

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 30, 2025 02:51 PM (QGaXH)

As you probably know, Kali's environmental regulations are quite voluminous and onerous. I'm sure that had absolutely NOTHING to do with those shuttering decisions...
On a side note, I made some Ma Po Tofu a month ago; it had the CA Prop 165 warning label that the sauce might cause cancer...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 30, 2025 02:54 PM (ynpvh)

79 Sen. Markwayne Mullin Warns of “Real Possibility” of Another Democrat Shutdown in January
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We're keeping Christmas low key with that thought in mind.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 30, 2025 02:54 PM (vKEG1)

80 55 I finally relented and turned on the forced air heating this morning. Been using my oil radiator heater downstairs as I hate the dryness and burned dust smell of forced air.

Wish I had natural gas. That’s the best.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 30, 2025 02:36 PM (mT+6a)

"Wish I had natural gas. That’s the best."

Beans and cabbage ftw

(ducks, runs....)

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 30, 2025 02:55 PM (QGaXH)

81 Partial networking has been restored. I now have a direct wired connection between my desktop computer and the modem.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 30, 2025 02:55 PM (IBQGV)

82 We got a pecan pie that was not too sugary. It did have chocolate and bourbon which made it inedible. We tossed about half of a 30$ pie.

Posted by: Accomack at November 30, 2025 02:56 PM (+sNap)

83 77 So the refiners have a captive market willing to pay almost any price and still they are closing the refinery. No just selling it - shuttering it. The state must be threatening to start jailing the executives and confiscating their personal wealth for them to be willing to walk away from the pot of gold that is California.
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 30, 2025 02:51 PM (QGaXH)

What do you need gas for in California? You can drive your electric car, or take the high-speed rail.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 30, 2025 02:53 PM (npFr7)

LOL! ::: wiping tears :::
When they outlaw ICE, only outlaws and politicians and the connected will have ICE...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 30, 2025 02:56 PM (ynpvh)

84 >>>This project is what we call a bitchkitty. After I retire.
Posted by: Eromero
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Start saving up for that oak flooring.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 30, 2025 02:57 PM (owKS5)

85 ames Woods @RealJamesWoods

These coincidences don’t even shock us anymore. If there is a Democrat involved, they are expected.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 30, 2025 02:53 PM (P5BPp)
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James Woods
@RealJamesWoods

Welcome to your Sunday dose of irony…

Quote
Aaron Rupar
@atrupar
·
5h
Mark Kelly: "This president, when he says things like 'third world countries,' what is he really saying? I think what he's saying is he doesn't want brown people in our country. And that's disturbing. It's un-American."

https://tinyurl.com/342m8ysm

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at November 30, 2025 02:57 PM (mOv6P)

86
Accomack,

Simple is best isn't it?

Posted by: fourseasons at November 30, 2025 02:57 PM (3ek7K)

87 "Wish I had natural gas. That’s the best."

Ooh, that's good. Mind if we use it?

Posted by: Eric Swalwell's Gubenatorial Campaign staff at November 30, 2025 02:58 PM (PiwSw)

88 Perfessor S

I saw you wrote you restarted modem/ router. Did you also shut off/ unplug the devices ? Laptop and computer?

Beyond that I know nothing. Nothing! (Sgt. Schultz voice)

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 30, 2025 02:59 PM (QGaXH)

89 James Woods @RealJamesWoods

Gavin Newsom is like a poisonous jungle plant. Everything he touches is damaged or destroyed beyond survival. If he cheats his way into power on the national level, America is doomed.

Mario Nawfal @MarioNawfal

GAVIN NEWSOM’S $20 FAST-FOOD WAGE JUST KILLED 19,000 JOBS

California’s glorious “worker empowerment” experiment is now official: since the $20 minimum hit in April 2024, the state has erased more than 19,000 fast-food jobs - over 25% of ALL fast-food jobs lost in the entire United States.

Hours slashed, overtime banned, mom-and-pop stores closing or flipping to kiosks because they can’t afford the Newsom tax.

Prices? Up 14.5% on average.

A Combo meal that was $11 is now $18–22.

But the best part: the workers still employed are making less total money because their hours got gutted harder than the wage went up.

X: https://bit.ly/3Y4ND9b

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 30, 2025 02:59 PM (P5BPp)

90 Forced-air heating is forced-air, whether the heat source is an oil burner, a gas burner, or a heat pump.

Hot water heat is the most comfy, IMHO.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 30, 2025 02:59 PM (npFr7)

91 cable from the modem goes to the internet port, not one of the numbered ports, right?

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 30, 2025 03:00 PM (+mUZM)

92 If he was navy he'd know to get some oakum, creosote, a small wedge or flat blade screwdriver and a mallet.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 30, 2025 03:01 PM (owKS5)

93 Yep. A simple pecan pie made with blueberries or a pumpkin custard are the best.

Posted by: Accomack at November 30, 2025 03:01 PM (+sNap)

94 Not an expert, but that looks like it MIGHT be termite damage?

Perhaps look around your house for other signs, or get an expert out?

The other option is carpenter ants in a dead part of the tree before the lumber was harvested.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 30, 2025 03:01 PM (HlyYF)

95 When they outlaw ICE, only outlaws and politicians and the connected will have ICE...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 30, 2025 02:56 PM (ynpvh)

This is the world of Road Warrior

Posted by: Kindltot at November 30, 2025 03:01 PM (rbvCR)

96 91 cable from the modem goes to the internet port, not one of the numbered ports, right?

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 30, 2025 03:00 PM (+mUZM)

Why go port? What about starboard?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 30, 2025 03:01 PM (ynpvh)

97 I have a bedroom that scares people because the floorboards seem to float,vibrating a bit when you walk on them. If I put something heavy on one end, it's fine. Likely no subfloor, as the house was built in the 50s.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 30, 2025 03:02 PM (+mUZM)

98 Remember who did this:
https://tinyurl.com/forWARd-RememberThisWell
https://tinyurl.com/forWARd-LIBsTheChickenRun

“Such a consequential president of the United States, a Mount Rushmore kind of president of the United States,” --Pelosi'24 feeling that she's getting real on IceKingJOE

"Every aspect of our lives must be subjected to an inventory" -- Shameless Politico THUG, Nancy Pelosi'09 in Red China.

"to leave now we would send a message to terrorists and other potential adversaries around the world that they can change our policies by killing our people. It would be open season on Americans."
-- Bill Clinton '93 just before he pulled out of Somalia.

To abandon this area now -- and to rely only on efforts against alQaeda from a distance

What is the vital national interest? -- IceKing Joe'21

https://tinyurl.com/forWARd-MorallySuperiorSharks
... celebration by the Democrats ....They would gladly sacrifice the country if only they could rule over its ruins. ...
...
when Hillary moves into the White House, the immorality of the United States will need a different scale for measurement, a scale which will leave sharks barely visible even with a powerful microscope.

Posted by: MANFRED the Heat Seeking OBOE at November 30, 2025 03:03 PM (6F3rp)

99 77 What do you need gas for in California? You can drive your electric car, or take the high-speed rail.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 30, 2025 02:53 PM (npFr7)

Snort! Thanks for the laugh!

Watch it or I'll sell out and buy a summer home near you.....

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 30, 2025 03:03 PM (QGaXH)

100 They are trying to destroy fast food. They think it’s unhealthy and the jobs are demeaning.

Posted by: Accomack at November 30, 2025 03:03 PM (+sNap)

101 kiosks

Tried to eat at McDonald's today. Their kiosks SUCK. Needed a human to intervein.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at November 30, 2025 03:03 PM (Kt19C)

102 *winks*

Posted by: The Cleansing Fire at November 30, 2025 03:04 PM (jc0TO)

103 100 They are trying to destroy fast food. They think it’s unhealthy and the jobs are demeaning.

Posted by: Accomack at November 30, 2025 03:03 PM (+sNap)

It's the socialist idea of a "living wage", as if you're meant to have a teenager's starting job for life...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 30, 2025 03:04 PM (ynpvh)

104 Forced-air heating is forced-air, whether the heat source is an oil burner, a gas burner, or a heat pump.

Hot water heat is the most comfy, IMHO.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Yahbutt... Has anyone figured out how to pump chilled water to a radiator? If you gotta have the ducting anyway...

Posted by: buddhaha at November 30, 2025 03:05 PM (xUY/n)

105 83 77 So the refiners have a captive market willing to pay almost any price and still they are closing the refinery. No just selling it - shuttering it. The state must be threatening to start jailing the executives and confiscating their personal wealth for them to be willing to walk away from the pot of gold that is California.
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK)
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That's not the way it works but you may as well bitch about the company because you're stuck with Commie courts & politicians.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 30, 2025 03:06 PM (owKS5)

106 One of the saddest things is a cardboard faux fireplace for Christmas.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at November 30, 2025 03:06 PM (Kt19C)

107 >>>>Forced-air heating is forced-air, whether the heat source is an oil burner, a gas burner, or a heat pump.

Hot water heat is the most comfy, IMHO.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 30, 2025 02:59 PM (npFr7)
******
I've live with gas heated forced air most of my life and now have heat pump forced air. From my experience there's a big difference. Gas fired forced air heat much more comfortable and warmer thana heat pump. YMMV.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at November 30, 2025 03:07 PM (n8oIX)

108 In guitar repair world, its called a splint. Here you would rip down a piece of oak the width and depth of the separation, glue it in, touch up the finish, and done forever. IF..IF it was one area. If its all over the floor then time for a new one. Usually in the old houses they had tongue and groove sub floors which are usually good enough to leave in place. Loose sections get screwed down before the new floor goes in. Tearing up old oak flooring is somewhere in the middle of ball surgery with a rusty soup can lid and stepping on your dick with golf shoes.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 30, 2025 03:08 PM (snZF9)

109 106 One of the saddest things is a cardboard faux fireplace for Christmas.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at November 30, 2025 03:06 PM (Kt19C)

You can stick it into a real fireplace and set it alight?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 30, 2025 03:08 PM (ynpvh)

110 105 That's not the way it works but you may as well bitch about the company because you're stuck with Commie courts & politicians.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 30, 2025 03:06 PM (owKS5)

Can you elaborate? What am I missing?

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 30, 2025 03:09 PM (QGaXH)

111 >>>Camus@newstart_202
Nicole Shanahan — ex-wife of Google co-founder Sergey Brin,
former running mate of RFK Jr., and someone who personally signed nine-figure philanthropy checks — just went full whistleblower on the entire Silicon Valley “tech wife mafia” and how they were used.

https://tinyurl.com/4srew2r7

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 30, 2025 03:09 PM (owKS5)

112 Peon Manor, built in 1915 as a one-room schoolhouse, has a subfloor of rough fir planks parallel to the long axis of the building (north-south). Six to eight inch random-width boards. Flooring upstairs is narrow planks of edge-grain fir, also laid north-south. I am going to re-do the living room in laminate.

I don't know why the subfloor was not laid diagonally; makes for a stronger structure.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 30, 2025 03:09 PM (npFr7)

113 Yahbutt... Has anyone figured out how to pump chilled water to a radiator? If you gotta have the ducting anyway...

Posted by: buddhaha at November 30, 2025 03:05 PM

Some people around me are running heat pumps to piping in the floor (hydronic floor heating) that is supposedly very comfortable and efficient.

Theoretically, I think your heat pump could also circulate cool fluid in the summer to cool the house. However, you would probably also need to run a whole-house dehumidifier or the cool floors would cause condensation.

I don't know if that type of cooling occurs in the real world?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 30, 2025 03:10 PM (HlyYF)

114 An Asian nail salon owner is going viral after absolutely demolishing a disrespectful black woman who told him to go back to his country.

https://tinyurl.com/yn23ayas

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 30, 2025 03:10 PM (owKS5)

115 It’s very strange. It costs me thru GrubHub+ about 4$ to get food delivered. Every delivery guy is a foreigner. Who is making money? Amazon because more people will sign up for Prime? Does it even matter to them?
They want everyone to live within walking distance of everything and yet have imported low skill people for menial jobs delivering precooked meals.
Lunatics.

Posted by: Accomack at November 30, 2025 03:11 PM (+sNap)

116 COLOR REVOLUTION: Seditious Six member Senator Elissa Slotkin spoke at the Brookings Institute last month, predicting an incident involving National Guard. She estimated that it would take place in around two weeks from when she spoke.

X video: https://bit.ly/4amhKAo
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 30, 2025 02:53 PM (P5BPp)

Surprised it took that long for them to get it set up.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 30, 2025 03:13 PM (y3bZw)

117 FWP - Internet connectivity suddenly stopped working while attempting to install a wireless router.
==

Something about this doesn't make sense to me...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 30, 2025 03:14 PM (XeU6L)

118 Peon Manor, built in 1915 as a one-room schoolhouse, has a subfloor of rough fir planks parallel to the long axis of the building (north-south). Six to eight inch random-width boards. Flooring upstairs is narrow planks of edge-grain fir, also laid north-south. I am going to re-do the living room in laminate.

I don't know why the subfloor was not laid diagonally; makes for a stronger structure.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 30, 2025 03:09 PM (npFr7)

Because it would take longer. End of story. I spent 90% of my time working in ancient houses, and I swear sometimes it was the size of the timbers that kept the buildings standing. Most of the old houses didn't even have the corners locked together, and the rooms themselves didn't have framed corners as we know it.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 30, 2025 03:14 PM (snZF9)

119 Yahbutt... Has anyone figured out how to pump chilled water to a radiator? If you gotta have the ducting anyway...
Posted by: buddhaha at November 30, 2025 03:05 PM (xUY/n)

Hot water heating works fine because baseboard heaters and radiators heat the air in contact with them, and hot air rises, so a circulation is established. Use them as chillers, you will just get a pool of icy air around your feet.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 30, 2025 03:14 PM (npFr7)

120 Tried to eat at McDonald's today. Their kiosks SUCK. Needed a human to intervein.
---------------------------------------

Sheetz has excellent kiosks; it's the only place I go for fast food anymore.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 30, 2025 03:16 PM (vKEG1)

121 Posted by: Clyde Shelton at November 30, 2025 02:53 PM (P5BPp)

Wow; That is absolutely mind boggling!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 30, 2025 03:17 PM (rZCVI)

122 Chevron holding steady at $4.89/gal here. And eggs are $5 or $6 per dozen in Vons but you can get them on sale sometimes for under $3.

Both self inflicted conditions. Word is gas is gonna be $8+ /gal once a few more refineries close in the near future...

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 30, 2025 02:29 PM (QGaXH)

Yeah, gas at Costco was $4.299/gal here just last week. I blame Kalifornia.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 30, 2025 02:43 PM (ynpvh)

Truth. TX last raised its gas tax in 1991.

Posted by: Cow Demon at November 30, 2025 03:17 PM (4786I)

123 Carpet > Hardwood, dear.

Posted by: A '70s Pornstar at November 30, 2025 03:18 PM (JkO4W)

124 I loved my radiant heat floors in the basement. Never had to turn on the forced air. It was awesome. No such luck above ground though. I have hardwood and carpet.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 30, 2025 03:18 PM (mT+6a)

125 120 Tried to eat at McDonald's today. Their kiosks SUCK. Needed a human to intervein.
---------------------------------------

Sheetz has excellent kiosks; it's the only place I go for fast food anymore.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 30, 2025 03:16 PM (vKEG1)

Interesting. I have never had a bad time with their kiosks. Their app, OTOH...

Posted by: Cow Demon at November 30, 2025 03:18 PM (4786I)

126 Some people around me are running heat pumps to piping in the floor (hydronic floor heating) that is supposedly very comfortable and efficient.

Theoretically, I think your heat pump could also circulate cool fluid in the summer to cool the house. However, you would probably also need to run a whole-house dehumidifier or the cool floors would cause condensation.

I don't know if that type of cooling occurs in the real world?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 30, 2025 03:10 PM (HlyYF)

Thing with heat pumps is the hot side heat exchanger does not get nearly as hot as the heat exchanger in a combustion furnace. So they baff out a lot of warmish air which eventually heats the room to a livable temperature, but there's not the feeling of warmth you get from really hot air blasting out of a combustion furnace register.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 30, 2025 03:20 PM (npFr7)

127 >>>Can you elaborate? What am I missing?
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan
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If the company was making money, their 6% cut, they wouldn't be leaving. Chevon, that's had a century or longer love affair with CA moved its HQ to Texas. They didn't want to go. They begged, borrowed and pleaded with Govt to see the light. No hue.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 30, 2025 03:21 PM (owKS5)

128 Both self inflicted conditions. Word is gas is gonna be $8+ /gal once a few more refineries close in the near future...

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 30, 2025 02:29 PM (QGaXH)

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Newsom is implementing his New Economic Plan where refineries are incentivized to increase their output until he's elected President.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 30, 2025 03:21 PM (JkO4W)

129 118 Peon Manor, built in 1915 as a one-room schoolhouse, has a subfloor of rough fir planks parallel to the long axis of the building (north-south). Six to eight inch random-width boards. Flooring upstairs is narrow planks of edge-grain fir, also laid north-south. I am going to re-do the living room in laminate.

I don't know why the subfloor was not laid diagonally; makes for a stronger structure.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 30, 2025
We nailed the subfloor at a 45 to the floor system, and sheeted the exterior walls the same way. Used a lot of green pine lumber, joked that squirrels ate a pinecone on this rafter yesterday. No such thong as a nailgun back then. 22 oz straight claw Plumb, baby.

Posted by: Eromero at November 30, 2025 03:24 PM (i+bC1)

130 Jam match sticks into the cracks. Stain with Old English.

Posted by: New Name at November 30, 2025 03:25 PM (Z5/Ih)

131 Welp. I turned everything off and turned it all back on again and now networking seems to be working...

Technician reset the MAC table on the backend, which did clear some stuff up. But that's about it.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 30, 2025 03:25 PM (IBQGV)

132 >>>So they baff out a lot of warmish air which eventually heats the room to a livable temperature, but there's not the feeling of warmth you get from really hot air blasting out of a combustion furnace register.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Icky moist air, you can feel the mold growing as the air flows by.
Had one with an electric element backup. Turn on the electric backup first, watch the meter spin and feel the hot dry air, then rock it back and let the pump maintain the temp.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 30, 2025 03:25 PM (owKS5)

133 Not thong, of course. That would be silly.

Posted by: Eromero at November 30, 2025 03:26 PM (i+bC1)

134 California’s glorious “worker empowerment” experiment is now official: since the $20 minimum hit in April 2024, the state has erased more than 19,000 fast-food jobs - over 25% of ALL fast-food jobs lost in the entire United States.

Hours slashed, overtime banned, mom-and-pop stores closing or flipping to kiosks because they can’t afford the Newsom tax.

====
I've also had incredible success rebuilding the Palisades.
-Gavinator

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 30, 2025 03:28 PM (A0sqA)

135 I loved my radiant heat floors in the basement. Never had to turn on the forced air. It was awesome. No such luck above ground though. I have hardwood and carpet.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 30, 2025 03:18 PM (mT+6a)

Radiant floor heating seems to only be done when your floor is a slab on grade, as far as I have seen. My little shop, a 24X24 garage has radiant floor heating powered by a 40 gallon domestic water heater, fueled by gas. It is very cosy in Winter. When I had the big shop, 32X60, built, I had radiant heat tubing placed under the slab, but have never connected it. I was going to rig it to burn coal, and bought a coal-fired boiler from a friend, but never got around to hooking it up. Spending Winters in Arizona, the need for it sort of passed, although I sure could use it right about now. Now, retail coal is all but unavailable. I should look into making it work with wood, sawdust, and waste oil, and old tires.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 30, 2025 03:28 PM (npFr7)

136 >>Wow; That is absolutely mind boggling!

They are doing a very similar thing with Hegseth and his supposed No Survivors order against the drug terrorists. They built this whole narrative about illegal orders and now they are claiming that Hegseth gave an illegal order based on one anonymous sourced article in the CIA mouthpiece WaPo.

I agree with Gen Flynn that Trump should give an address to the country and educate everyone on color revolutions. Once you know the process they are easy to spot.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2025 03:30 PM (viF8m)

137 my FWP is Comcast

they are, quite simply, The Worst People In The World

Posted by: Don Black at November 30, 2025 03:31 PM (xCU6M)

138 We have shoveling to do here in Wyoming. The snow is still heavily falling.
Posted by: fourseasons

So when the wife and I move to Wyoming, make sure the snow blower comes with us? Noted.

Posted by: NR Pax at November 30, 2025 03:31 PM (7xrfc)

139 see my alternate hash
the 'AoSQT' modem has failed

Posted by: Don Black at November 30, 2025 03:32 PM (xCU6M)

140 I've already seen someone yapping about how once Trump ends, Hegseth gets tried at Nuremberg. The source was "Trust me, bro."

Posted by: NR Pax at November 30, 2025 03:32 PM (7xrfc)

141 Stephen Miller:
“40% of rent controlled properties are being lived in by people who weren’t even born in the country….We bring in people from foreign countries, and then we pay to lower the cost of their housing while people who were born here have to pay higher prices.”

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 30, 2025 03:34 PM (owKS5)

142 >>I've already seen someone yapping about how once Trump ends, Hegseth gets tried at Nuremberg. The source was "Trust me, bro."

The Pentagon came out immediately after the WaPo article and said the entire article was made up garbage. They don't care. They just keep insisting it's true.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2025 03:35 PM (viF8m)

143 Radiant floor heating seems to only be done when your floor is a slab on grade, as far as I have seen. My little shop, a 24X24 garage has radiant floor heating powered by a 40 gallon domestic water heater, fueled by gas. It is very cosy in Winter.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 30, 2025 03:28 PM

Good observation. The people I have known that installed it were mostly in post and beam (barndominium) homes on a poured slab.

If we ever do that style of home at our property and do radiant floor heating, we are definitely doing a wood-burning stove/fireplace for the additional comfort of nice, toasty heat!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 30, 2025 03:35 PM (HlyYF)

144 My FWP was decorating my Christmas tree. I'm usually pretty picky about where I put the ornaments. This year, not so much. I just slapped them on not paying any attention to color distribution. Frankly, who cares. The dog said he thinks it looks fine.

Posted by: Tuna at November 30, 2025 03:35 PM (lJ0H4)

145
NR Pax,

Definitely move the snowblower, lol.

The weather here is strange some winters. We might have winters when snow is rare.

Living in Wyoming is wonderful despite the winters.

The feeling of freedom here outweighs the weather.

Posted by: fourseasons at November 30, 2025 03:35 PM (3ek7K)

146 Commies making a full court press on today's MSM.

Mark Kelly:
“I said something very simple and non-controversial and Donald Trump said I should be hanged, executed, prosecuted.
Pete Hegseth said I should be court-martialed. How ridiculous is this?

We say follow the law and this is their response? These are not serious people. We’re sticking up for the Constitution here and the rule of law”

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 30, 2025 03:37 PM (owKS5)

147 Yeah, gas at Costco was $4.299/gal here just last week. I blame Kalifornia.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 30, 2025 02:43 PM (ynpvh)

Truth. TX last raised its gas tax in 1991.
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 30, 2025 03:17 PM (4786I)

It seems Chevron is trying to fight back a little with signs in their stations stating how Cali gas taxes are highest in the nation and a Q code thingy to use to find out more and how to fight it.

I fear it's too little too late.

The egg prices - we passed some initiative requiring humane conditions for chickens so I guess that forced egg prices to soar....so no hope there either. I don't think they can bring eggs in either unless the chicken farm complies.

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 30, 2025 03:39 PM (QGaXH)

148 145 The feeling of freedom here outweighs the weather.

Posted by: fourseasons

I have about 3-4 more years before it happens. I'm pretty much leaving the government contracting life. My wife and I were on vacation out in Cheyenne and fell in love with the state. So when I started thinking we could retire there, she started reading articles.

A few minutes later, she's laughing at one of the articles. To summarize:

Pro: Beautiful area, low crime.

Cons: Not a lot of diversity.

Decision made.

Posted by: NR Pax at November 30, 2025 03:40 PM (7xrfc)

149
NR Pax,

We live in a small town, 2500 population. We have 2 cops, lol. Thank God they have almost nothing criminal to deal with.

I have a shirt that says "Welcome to Wyoming. Remember everyone here is armed."

Posted by: fourseasons at November 30, 2025 03:43 PM (3ek7K)

150 127 If the company was making money, their 6% cut, they wouldn't be leaving. Chevon, that's had a century or longer love affair with CA moved its HQ to Texas. They didn't want to go. They begged, borrowed and pleaded with Govt to see the light. No hue.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 30, 2025 03:21 PM (owKS5)

That's what I don't understand. How can they not make money? They have a captive market! They can charge whatever they want. There's no one to undercut them.

My only thinking is the regulators are picking the refineries off one by one with targeted regs that affect only a specific location or process causing it to price itself out of business but leaving the competition unscathed. For now.

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 30, 2025 03:46 PM (QGaXH)

151 "Welcome to Wyoming. Remember everyone here is armed."

We were at a brewery one night and the guy working there had a Ka-Bar at his hip. You guys are great. I'm looking forward to the move.

Posted by: NR Pax at November 30, 2025 03:48 PM (7xrfc)

152 >>>The egg prices - we passed some initiative requiring humane conditions for chickens so I guess that forced egg prices to soar....so no hope there either. I don't think they can bring eggs in either unless the chicken farm complies.
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 30, 2025 03:39 PM
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Eliminating transportation and food sounds like holodomor.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 30, 2025 03:49 PM (owKS5)

153 The easy way was 50 years ago. Now it’s the hard way.

Posted by: Eromero at November 30, 2025 03:53 PM (i+bC1)

154 fourseasons

We loved Wyoming when we were there in Aug of 2024. We trailer camped in both Grand Teton and Yellowstone then made our way across the state to Black Hills (SD) stopping in Cody and Buffalo.

Overnighted near Cheyenne on the way back.

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 30, 2025 03:54 PM (QGaXH)

155 My only thinking is the regulators are picking the refineries off one by one with targeted regs that affect only a specific location or process causing it to price itself out of business but leaving the competition unscathed. For now.
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 30, 2025 03:46 PM (QGaXH)

This. Same thing happened to independent trucking companies. Newsome passed some law that diesels manufactured pre 2010 (IIRC) could not renew their registration due to "climate" concerns. Bigger companies could buy new trucks. Smaller one's had to shut down, lay off workers, or move.

Oil refineries are constantly hit with requirements to replace perfectly working hardware. Year over year, you just can't predict what's coming down the pike. So every year is another crap shoot...

Posted by: Joe Kidd at November 30, 2025 03:57 PM (nbLIj)

156 131 Welp. I turned everything off and turned it all back on again and now networking seems to be working...

Technician reset the MAC table on the backend, which did clear some stuff up. But that's about it.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 30, 2025 03:25 PM (IBQGV)

Next time, if it's just the one computer and it's Windows, try this in a command prompt window:

ipconfig /release
ipconfig /renew

As I recall, that doesn't just re-get an IP address from DHCP, it also rebuilds the routing table. It can get messed up with using multiple network adapters on the same computer, such as when adding a wireless connection.

Posted by: SciVo at November 30, 2025 03:57 PM (Sy6m/)

157
An Asian nail salon owner is going viral after absolutely demolishing a disrespectful black woman who told him to go back to his country.
https://tinyurl.com/yn23ayas
Posted by: Braenyard

"I saw your ebt card, my taxes pay for your food."
"Get your bowling pin potato ass build the fuck outta here!"
"Fuck you!"

Thank you Braenyard, I needed that laugh.

Posted by: BifBewalski at November 30, 2025 03:58 PM (QVmho)

158 our FWP at work today. A company that downloads our data had to close their site in Tahiti, France would not renew the lease. We stopped updating the Tahiti directory on our end since the site no longer exists. Turns out they were pulling TLEs they need to be able to point the right place to download data only from that directory for all 3 of their sites. Oops.

Posted by: PaleRider at November 30, 2025 04:00 PM (hhkIi)

159
ARiK,

This is a beautiful state.

Hubby and I never thought we would live in Wyoming. We always lived in the eastern US. Oldest son and daughter in law moved out here for a job.

We retired and wanted to be near our grandchildren. Best decision we have made.

Posted by: fourseasons at November 30, 2025 04:00 PM (3ek7K)

160 "hanged, executed, prosecuted."

Sentence first, trial later.

Posted by: gKWVE the fabulous Red Queen at November 30, 2025 04:01 PM (Yf/Ok)

161
Yum yum

Posted by: fourseasons at November 30, 2025 04:05 PM (3ek7K)

162 Cracks? It's the squeaks that can be maddening @ nighttime and/or early morning from the mid-century installed hardwood floors.

Posted by: L - No nic... at November 30, 2025 04:10 PM (NFX2v)

163 158 Oops.
Posted by: PaleRider at November 30, 2025 04:00 PM (hhkIi)

"Oops"

And now Perfessor S can't get his internet to work.....!!!

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 30, 2025 04:11 PM (QGaXH)

164 "Get your bowling pin potato ass build the fuck outta here!"

Thank you Braenyard, I needed that laugh.
Posted by: BifBewalski at November 30, 2025 03:58 PM (

Hate speech! Screeeeee....

What exactly is a 'bowling pin potato...'???

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 30, 2025 04:13 PM (QGaXH)

165 Black Patch, 1957 western, bar scene, stereotypical nude painting behind bar. Mild enough for 1957. But noooo, gotta blur that out for tv today. Meh.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at November 30, 2025 04:14 PM (Kt19C)

166 Food's up!!!

Noodle!

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 30, 2025 04:15 PM (QGaXH)

167 What exactly is a 'bowling pin potato...'??

$20, same as in town.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at November 30, 2025 04:15 PM (Kt19C)

168 106 One of the saddest things is a cardboard faux fireplace for Christmas.
Posted by: Commissar of plenty

We were only disappointed when the spinning light thingy stopped working.

Posted by: L - No nic... at November 30, 2025 04:25 PM (NFX2v)

169 162 Cracks? It's the squeaks that can be maddening @ nighttime and/or early morning from the mid-century installed hardwood floors.

Posted by: L - No nic... at November 30, 2025 04:10 PM

I don't mind the squeaks - our house is 107 years old.

In the movies where the bad guy sneaks up on the family, that is not happening in my house!

I can always tell who is walking where, and even if a dog is in a room where it is not supposed to be. I like our "high tech" floorboard house monitoring system.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 30, 2025 04:27 PM (HlyYF)

170 162 Cracks? It's the squeaks that can be maddening @ nighttime and/or early morning from the mid-century installed hardwood floors.

Posted by: L - No nic...
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That's the character of an all natural product.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 30, 2025 04:38 PM (Y7TJ9)

171 >>>>Forced-air heating is forced-air, whether the heat source is an oil burner, a gas burner, or a heat pump.

Hot water heat is the most comfy, IMHO.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 30, 2025 02:59 PM (npFr7)
******
I've live with gas heated forced air most of my life and now have heat pump forced air. From my experience there's a big difference. Gas fired forced air heat much more comfortable and warmer thana heat pump. YMMV.
Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly
++++++

Wood stoves are the best

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 30, 2025 04:40 PM (Z5/Ih)

172 >>>Camus@newstart_202
Nicole Shanahan — ex-wife of Google co-founder Sergey Brin,
former running mate of RFK Jr., and someone who personally signed nine-figure philanthropy checks — just went full whistleblower on the entire Silicon Valley “tech wife mafia” and how they were used.

https://tinyurl.com/4srew2r7

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others
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Key Club parties were lit.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 30, 2025 04:45 PM (Z5/Ih)

173
52% of all murders in the United States come from only 2 counties

1) Cook County, Illinois (Chicago and surrounding area)
2) Los Angeles County, California

Repeat offenders in Chicago, the same 1400 people commit over 86% of the crimes. The same repeat offenders according to the superintendent of Chicago police

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 30, 2025 05:04 PM (Y7TJ9)

174 This is so good. It'll probably come up on the ONT, unless we're doing lollipops and Fudgsicles.

The Reaping Phase retweeted . L A R R Y@LarryOConnor Nov 28

The rule is that we are to blame Mark Kelly's political rhetoric for the shooting of our National Guardsmen in DC.

This rule was created by Mark Kelly when his wife was shot in 2011 by a deranged lunatic for completely apolitical reasons. Kelly and the Democrats and the media blamed Sarah Palin, Andrew Breitbart, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck for the shooting.

This is the rule. It's HIS and his party's rule

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 30, 2025 05:47 PM (Y7TJ9)

175

Posted by: LKP at November 30, 2025 09:43 PM (ylpKQ)

176 Congratulations you have termites.

Posted by: Miken at November 30, 2025 10:06 PM (MkbOx)

177 Maybe Carpenter ants

Posted by: Miken at November 30, 2025 10:07 PM (MkbOx)

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