Amazing: The New York Times Profiles an Illegal Alien Who Stole an American Man's Identity and Caused Him 20 Years of Legal Nightmares.<br>The Times Say They're Both Victims.

Amazing: The New York Times Profiles an Illegal Alien Who Stole an American Man's Identity and Caused Him 20 Years of Legal Nightmares.
The Times Say They're Both Victims.

Via David Strom, who quotes the New York Times asserting that both the citizen whose identity was stolen, and the identity thief himself, are both victims of the same broken system and equally deserving of our sympathies.

Dan Kluver saw the police lights flashing in his rearview mirror late last year and eased his car onto the shoulder, thinking there had been some kind of mistake. He had spent four decades in rural Minnesota without ever getting into trouble. He prided himself on a life built around dependability and routine, working at the same factory where his father once did and spending his weekends coaching baseball and teaching Sunday school. He had never fired a gun, or smoked a cigarette, or missed a payment, or been arrested.
"License and registration, please," the officer said. Kluver, 42, handed them over and waited while the officer went back to his patrol car. He listened to the church bells that rang every hour and watched sunlight reflect off the grain silos in downtown Olivia, where he knew most of the 2,400 residents, including the officer who was walking back to his car.
"Is everything all right?" Kluver asked.
"It's strange, but it looks like your license has been suspended," the officer said. "You've got another driver's license with some issues down in Missouri."
"What?" Kluver said. "I've barely ever been to Missouri. How's that possible?"
The officer had no answers, but Kluver feared he might know what was happening. Over the years, there had been signs that something wasn't right -- stray letters about wages earned in unfamiliar towns and collection notices for debt that wasn't his. Kluver had tried to untangle the mess several times by hiring tax specialists and driving to government offices across the state only to run into the same bureaucratic dead ends. But now the problem was bigger than unpaid taxes. Someone was impersonating him, moving through the world as Dan Kluver, building a life in his name with a government-issued ID.

The identity thief used his Social Security to illegally work. The thief kept the money paid for his illegal labor -- but this citizen got "credited" with the thief's salary, which pushed his tax liabilities up, pushing him, in fact, into a higher tax bracket.

He was expected to pay the taxes on the thief's earnings while the thief kept the earnings himself.

As you can see, they were both victims here.

...
Some years the other Dan Kluver had earned more than his own salary at a local sugar beet factory, which pushed the total income under his Social Security number into a higher tax bracket as the debt started to mount. Twice, he'd contacted law enforcement and filed an identity theft report with the federal government, where it landed in a pile along with tens of thousands of similar reports filed each year. He waited for relief while the I.R.S. docked his annual tax returns and garnished a few of his paychecks, costing him thousands. Finally, a few months before their wedding in 2012, Kristy decided to pay off the balance, emptying her savings and sending in a check for $6,000. Their relief lasted until the next tax season, when a new bill arrived -- this one for $22,000.
They spent the next decade living with the consequences -- annual tax audits, budgets that never added up, whispered arguments after the kids went to bed. Kluver kept calling government numbers and waiting on hold until he eventually resigned himself to a payment plan. He agreed to send the I.R.S. $150 each month, which he'd done more than 35 times. "I can't keep obsessing over this and getting nowhere," he told Kristy. "I need to think about something else."

Now the Times turns to the thief. I mean, The Other, More Deserving Victim.

He had lived under enough names and numbers in the United States that they started to blur together. Vincent Trujillo. Reynaldo Guerra. And then, for more than a decade, Daniel Kluver -- the name he used until he could barely remember what it felt like to exist as himself: Romeo Pérez-Bravo, 42, a Guatemalan immigrant who had spent most of his adult life working under borrowed identities.

"Borrowed." They won't even say "stolen."

...
Perez-Bravo had come to the United States for the first time at 16 to help earn money for his family, traveling alone to join his father in Marshall, Minn. He hiked out of the Guatemalan highlands, rode atop a freight train for three weeks across Mexico, nearly drowned in the Rio Grande and took a Greyhound to Middle America, where life somehow felt harder. He slept on a couch in his father's apartment and enrolled in high school despite speaking almost no English. Then he began to look for a job, but no one would hire an underage worker without papers.

No one would hire an illegal immigrant barred by the law from working, you mean.

He's definitely the victim. He was forced to steal Dan Kluvin's identity and make his life a living hell.

Read the whole thing from David Strom. The New York Times continues doubling down on the narrative that the first victim of Perez-Bravo's serial identity theft was... Perez-Bravo himself.

The narrative, man. Stick to the narrative. The law-abiding citizen whose life is being turned upside-down may be a victim, but Perez-Bravo has a story to tell, too.

This is exactly the kind of logic that lets criminals walk the streets after tens of arrests. They are people too, so if you look at it the right way, everybody is a victim.
And Kluver is white, so really, he is the privileged one and should be happy to help out his brown brother, who suffers from oppression that is almost as bad as Michelle Obama's.

And he also "paid the price."

He was charged with aggravated identity theft and false representation of a Social Security number and was held in detention for six weeks before an initial bond hearing in April. The State of Missouri argued that he was a flight risk who needed to remain in custody until the trial. "What's to stop him from going out and getting another identity and just living underneath that," the prosecutor told the judge. "We've seen that before."
But Perez-Bravo had most of his family and several members of his church at the hearing, and his lawyer said that he was "connected to the city in deep ways."

The Times believes that it was outrageous for the prosecutor to assert that this serial identity thief might just steal another identity and flee the court's jurisdiction under a new name if he were set free.

Absolutely outrageous! He has "deep" "connections" to the city he's currently living illegally in!

Amber Duke was herself a victim of a identity thief.

Almost as much a victim of identity thief as the identity thief herself.

She doesn't think her identity thief was the Real Victim Here.

About seven years ago, my identity was stolen in a data breach. I found out fairly quickly because one of the thieves made a mistake: the receipts for their fraudulent purchases were sent to my email address. It still took almost two weeks to shut down the accounts opened in my name and clear them from my credit reports. I was constantly stressed and paranoid and couldn't focus on anything else in my life until my credit was cleared and locked down.
I was lucky that I caught the identity theft early. Some people spend years digging themselves out after someone else pretends to be them.
...
Pérez-Bravo had stolen multiple identities throughout his time in the U.S. While living here, he got several DUIs. He was deported in 2005, 2008 and 2009 but came back each time and stole another American's info.

...
The story gets even more unbelievable from there. Pérez-Bravo was involved in a fatal accident that killed a 68-year-old grandfather and injured his 9-year-old granddaughter. He was cleared of wrongdoing but the family filed a wrongful death suit against Kluver, whose name was on the fake license Pérez-Bravo provided at the scene.
The police eventually found Pérez-Bravo and he has been charged for his crimes. Nonetheless, the NYT report paints him as just as much a sympathetic victim as Kluver, describing him as a family man and hard worker who essentially had no choice but to steal an identity so he could make money for his family.

I'm so sick of it.

If liberals want to impose liberal policies on the country, they have to at least make sure the worst excesses of those policies are checked.

They cannot allow maniacs to prowl the subway stations throwing grandmothers in front of trains, for example.

And they cannot lionize criminal identity thief illegals.

They have to show that they can demonstrate compassion without turning all of society into violent chaos.

But they can't -- and the new breed doesn't even try.

Their attitude is You deserve it, Colonialist Oppressors.

So all of the illegals will have to go. If there's no protection for the citizens, there is certainly no protection for the fucking illegals.

Kick them out. Kick them all out.

Posted by: Ace at 05:20 PM

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1 yup

Posted by: Auspex at November 25, 2025 05:21 PM (Y8DZL)

2 Hola

Posted by: Dick the Bruiser at November 25, 2025 05:23 PM (5IH8V)

3 nooded

Posted by: m at November 25, 2025 05:23 PM (RuTUS)

4 Kick them out. Kick them all out.

This.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 05:23 PM (77rzZ)

5 I'm so sick of it.

Kick them out. Kick them all out.

That won't solve all of America's problems...but it was solve a bunch of them.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 25, 2025 05:23 PM (sKqQm)

6 I guess this is that suicidal empathy you keep hearing about

I don't seem to have that

OUT THUGS

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 25, 2025 05:24 PM (emBoF)

7 Hey lawyers, is it true identity theft is not a crime per se?

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at November 25, 2025 05:24 PM (GhIJO)

8 Yeah. These people all suck.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 25, 2025 05:24 PM (zZu0s)

9 Our government paid NGOs to find
Our government paid NGOs to bring them here
Our government paid NGOs to give them lawyers
And now our government gives them welfare.

We need to go beyond ICE and start offering bounties for the illegals AND those at NGOs that brought them here.

It was all a criminal conspiracy from the start

Posted by: 18-1 at November 25, 2025 05:25 PM (sKqQm)

10 Kick them out. Kick them all out.

That won't solve all of America's problems...but it was solve a bunch of them.
Posted by: 18-1

I dunno. If you include all Dems and GOPe in "them" it would come close to solving all our problems.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 05:25 PM (77rzZ)

11 Fuck the New York Times.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at November 25, 2025 05:25 PM (xcxpd)

12 Fuck the New York Times.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Hmmm. A new idea for my bunk time...

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 05:26 PM (77rzZ)

13 Kick them out. Kick them all out.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 25, 2025 05:26 PM (Cjt/F)

14 Since there is no way for the law to touch these judges, the only solution is Crazy Maxine's. Make their lives a living Hell.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 25, 2025 05:26 PM (s0JqF)

15 This is where we end up with ideas like "restorative justice".

Posted by: banana Dream at November 25, 2025 05:26 PM (3uBP9)

16 This is the kind of story that doesn't get printed often. I'm shocked NYT acknowledged this actually happened, even though they try to paint is as both being victims.

The identity theft guy has a lengthy record of crimes as well. He should have everything confiscated and turned over to the guy whose identity he stole.

Posted by: Frank Barone at November 25, 2025 05:26 PM (IifOV)

17 Speaking of empathy I notice leftwing forums are full of statements like:

Trump deported by good friend Jose. He was here peacefully how dare that Trump [more whining]. And oh by the way does anyone else have a recommendation for a cheap landscaper? The Americans around here are greedy as hell and I'm not paying that much!

Posted by: 18-1 at November 25, 2025 05:27 PM (sKqQm)

18 "Liberal" is the most ridiculously inaccurate to the point of meaningless term in use today. The people involved have no connection whatsoever to any liberal concept or policy. Just ignorant power-mad totalitarian social engineers with varying degrees of racism.

Oh well.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 25, 2025 05:27 PM (U/Byj)

19 He should have everything confiscated and turned over to the guy whose identity he stole.
Posted by: Frank Baron

--

I like that idea

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at November 25, 2025 05:27 PM (6U1c2)

20 "The Times Say They're Both Victims".

Hey, NYT, now do Lincoln and Booth.

Posted by: Paco at November 25, 2025 05:28 PM (mADJX)

21
Businesses caught hiring illegals should have an IRS Audit, and heavy, heavy penalties. Enough is enough.

Posted by: Frank Barone at November 25, 2025 05:28 PM (IifOV)

22 We need to go beyond ICE and start offering bounties for the illegals AND those at NGOs that brought them here.

It was all a criminal conspiracy from the start

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 25, 2025 05:28 PM (Cjt/F)

23 Trump deported by good friend Jose. He was here peacefully how dare that Trump [more whining]. And oh by the way does anyone else have a recommendation for a cheap landscaper? The Americans around here are greedy as hell and I'm not paying that much!

oh I see you live near me!

"Free Carlos!"

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 25, 2025 05:28 PM (emBoF)

24 When you think about it, a rapist who gets caught has to go to jail and be publicly accused of sex crimes. So they're both victims there too.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at November 25, 2025 05:28 PM (xcxpd)

25 "Liberal" in 2025 means you want to put any politician or celebrity you disagree with on almost any issue in prison.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 25, 2025 05:28 PM (sKqQm)

26 Posted by: rhomboid at November 25, 2025 05:27 PM (U/Byj)

That's why I call them leftists.

Posted by: Iasonas at November 25, 2025 05:28 PM (gUzGB)

27 My idea would be that like in Sitcoms the Judge would sentence the illegal to be this guy's slave for as long as he used his identity. Hilarity ensues!

Posted by: Alec Leamas at November 25, 2025 05:28 PM (ssz2a)

28 12 Fuck the New York Times.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Hmmm. A new idea for my bunk time...
Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 05:26 PM (77rzZ)

Kink-y!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at November 25, 2025 05:29 PM (xcxpd)

29 Everyone needs some credit monitoring service. It’s pretty cheap $10/mo usually. Get it and check it often. Any new debt will show up there and you can take action. And on top of that lock your credit at all 3 credit bureaus, transunion, experian and equitable. This way no credit checks can be done on you. Without that it’s tough to open new accounts.

It’s not 100% full proof but goes a long way in stopping this kind of nightmare from happening.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at November 25, 2025 05:29 PM (HW6XE)

30 Let's just think a bit about what happens when 10% of the US population leaves.
Lower food, housing and medical costs. Lower insurance (especially auto). Higher wages across the board.
Less crime (so even lower insurance).
Cheaper ammo costs, cause everyone feels just a tad bit safer...
What have I missed?

Posted by: MkY at November 25, 2025 05:29 PM (q6tQZ)

31 Stick Guatemalan man on a boat, send it out into international waters, and have it droned. Bonus: let Dan Kluver watch the video footage in real time.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at November 25, 2025 05:29 PM (5yDGQ)

32 How does one "borrow" an identity?

Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2025 05:29 PM (QMAsf)

33
the Rolling New York Stones?

Posted by: Soothsayer's Listicles at November 25, 2025 05:29 PM (BihGC)

34 Posted by: MkY at November 25, 2025 05:29 PM (q6tQZ)

Less traffic

Posted by: Iasonas at November 25, 2025 05:29 PM (gUzGB)

35 >>18 "Liberal" is the most ridiculously inaccurate to the point of meaningless term in use today. The people involved have no connection whatsoever to any liberal concept or policy. Just ignorant power-mad totalitarian social engineers with varying degrees of racism.

yeah, I haven't said "liberal" in forever. I don't know why I used it here. Seems so quaint. Like it's 1997 or something.

Posted by: ace at November 25, 2025 05:30 PM (1wjle)

36 I have several "identity/bank/title" services to monitor my vast wealth and properties. "Vast"

I got an alert about a piece of property in PA that I do not own. Nor have ever looked at. A title search, in my name (which is as far removed from "Smith" as you can get) that I did not authorize.

I think... even today.... it was a fluke. An error.

But, I continue to monitor.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 25, 2025 05:30 PM (NwnyJ)

37 20 "The Times Say They're Both Victims".

Hey, NYT, now do Lincoln and Booth.
Posted by: Paco at November 25, 2025 05:28 PM (mADJX)

"They were both vile racists who became victims of the war, a pair of casualties ; but these men were more than statistics..."

-Ken Burns, probably

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at November 25, 2025 05:30 PM (xcxpd)

38 And this - and a zillion other data points like it - are why it is impossible to be optimistic about the illegal migration/border/sovereignty/rule of law catastrophe actually ever being fixed.

The deadweight, the anchors around our necks, of so many tens of millions of people who regard this kind of NYT nonsense as anything other than delusional, and of course the collapse or corruption of the institutions.

Didn't the bishops' conference also beclown and degrade themselves with some idiotic moral narcissistic destructive hate-filled crap about immigration enforcement?

Enjoying the speed bump, not so sure it's any more than that.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 25, 2025 05:30 PM (U/Byj)

39 Two people are dead because this scum is in the country. That should be the NY Times headline.

But the leftist pols in the US and Europe are using an immigration system to get rid of Western Civilization that they hate. So there's no use wishing they will come around.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 25, 2025 05:31 PM (n5tGW)

40 How does one "borrow" an identity?
Posted by: Doof

One borrows an identity just as one borrows a car, goes on a burglary spree, wrecks the car, and leaves your fingerprints all over the suspect vehicle.

Posted by: MkY at November 25, 2025 05:31 PM (q6tQZ)

41 Ace is gradually working his way to my position. If the new breed of leftist can't be reasoned with, you need to get rid of their props (criminals both native and alien). That's Ace's current position.

My further position (which he and others will eventually get to), is that if these leftists aren't bound to any kind of shared ethics like Kennedy or Carter arguably were, we have to get rid of the leftists too.

Hell, we should give stays of deportation to illegals who will help us get rid of native born leftists. That would be amusing (and then we could make money broadcasting the results).

Posted by: The Lower Depths at November 25, 2025 05:31 PM (UdiE9)

42 Will the NYT be profiling the guy who set the young woman on fire in Chicago?

Posted by: Iasonas at November 25, 2025 05:31 PM (gUzGB)

43 Two people are dead because this scum is in the country. That should be the NY Times headline.

Then: If it saves one life!

Now: Meh, so some people died. Its like, not a lot or anything

Posted by: 18-1 at November 25, 2025 05:31 PM (sKqQm)

44 Victim....nyt keeps using that word, I do not think it means what they think it means.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 25, 2025 05:31 PM (0N4FZ)

45 New York Post@nypost
Bodycam shows escaped ‘Slender Man’ stabber Morgan Geyser busted with transgender friend

-
Do NOT click on this link!

https://is.gd/egrUSM

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Why Do the Heathen Rage? at November 25, 2025 05:32 PM (L/fGl)

46 btw I had someone from another country take EITC using my SSN

it sucked

I still have to file hard copy because of this

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 25, 2025 05:32 PM (emBoF)

47 Hey, NYT, now do Lincoln and Booth.
Posted by: Paco at November 25, 2025 05:28 PM (mADJX)

"They were both vile racists who became victims of the war, a pair of casualties ; but these men were more than statistics..."

-Ken Burns, probably
-----

ABC had a 2-hour show on the JFK Assassination last night. It was clear from the first few minutes that ABC wasn't really interested in a "fair" playing field in covering it--the deck was stacked in favor of the official explanation from the outset.

Posted by: Crusader at November 25, 2025 05:32 PM (TN0g+)

48 How does one "borrow" an identity?
Posted by: Doof

Hi, I'm Doof! Free Rush and Pickleball for all!

Also, President Trump, please send the National Guard to Carmel, California!

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 05:32 PM (77rzZ)

49
I hate fucking ~~monkeys~~ poor people.

Posted by: Campbell's Soup at November 25, 2025 05:33 PM (BihGC)

50 Why is it that, when a criminal steals an innocent person's identify, the thieving becomes the resonsibility of the innocent person? If someone steals my credit card information and uses it to buy lavish means at Applebee's, I feel like Applebee's and the credit card company got scammed. I'm a disinterested third party to their credulity, right?

Posted by: Oglebay at November 25, 2025 05:33 PM (2ap+5)

51 That could be a Babylon Bee story--pure satire.

Posted by: Still lurking up north, read some, don't comment much at November 25, 2025 05:34 PM (kTd/k)

52
"But he has children!!"

So what. Lots of terrible people had children. I'm tired of having "Think of the children!!" thrown in everyone's faces as an excuse for everything from taxes to genital mutilation.

Posted by: Frank Barone at November 25, 2025 05:34 PM (IifOV)

53 "Liberal" is the most ridiculously inaccurate to the point of meaningless term in use today. The people involved have no connection whatsoever to any liberal concept or policy. Just ignorant power-mad totalitarian social engineers with varying degrees of racism.

yeah, I haven't said "liberal" in forever. I don't know why I used it here. Seems so quaint. Like it's 1997 or something.
Posted by: ace at November 25, 2025 05:30 PM (1wjle)

My mother used to complain about "Liberal" being stolen. Since it happened something like 80 or 90 years ago at least I don't fret it the same way.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 05:34 PM (8avO+)

54 I hate fucking monkeys poor people.

Its an acquired taste.

Better if they pretty clearly don't want lil Bill too

Posted by: Bill Clinton at November 25, 2025 05:35 PM (sKqQm)

55 Why is it that, when a criminal steals an innocent person's identify, the thieving becomes the resonsibility of the innocent person? If someone steals my credit card information and uses it to buy lavish means at Applebee's, I feel like Applebee's and the credit card company got scammed. I'm a disinterested third party to their credulity, right?
Posted by: Oglebay at November 25, 2025 05:33 PM (2ap+5)

If you are fast enough you might get them to write it off.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 05:35 PM (8avO+)

56 So what. Lots of terrible people had children. I'm tired of having "Think of the children!!" thrown in everyone's faces as an excuse for everything from taxes to genital mutilation.
Posted by: Frank Barone at November 25, 2025 05:34 PM (IifOV)

Yeah same with “separating families” yeah tough shit. A car thief’s family is separated when he goes to prison. That’s his fault not the police who arrest him or the jury that convicts him.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at November 25, 2025 05:35 PM (HW6XE)

57 You can't even make fun of the Left anymore. They are a parody of a parody of a satire of a joke of weapons grade pure Colombian uncut bullshit.

Posted by: ... at November 25, 2025 05:35 PM (E0p3T)

58 I don't like fake sob stories and unearned sympathy

we all got problems
life's tough- wear a helmet

Posted by: Don Black at November 25, 2025 05:35 PM (AOsQT)

59 I saw another news report this morning about a guy who was being deported from Boston after 50 years.

The news left out the fact that he spent most of that time in prison.
For murder.

This must be the journ-o-list talking point for the week.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at November 25, 2025 05:35 PM (kIamG)

60 My mother used to complain about "Liberal" being stolen. Since it happened something like 80 or 90 years ago at least I don't fret it the same way.
Posted by: Oldcat

It was adopted by the left because that asshole Wilson sullied the term "Progressive."

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 05:36 PM (77rzZ)

61 They are all criminals from the get go and the old fairy tale about Jose and his abuela coming here to find a better "life" is straight up bullshit. They come here to take from those stupid enough to let them take, and take and take and then they laugh about it. Kick them out and any idiot that married one, kick them out too. Businesses that hire them should be severely punished, banks etc. too.

Posted by: Kick Them All Out at November 25, 2025 05:36 PM (R/m4+)

62 >>> I'm so sick of it.

If liberals want to impose liberal policies on the country, they have to at least make sure the worst excesses of those policies are checked.
----

I have another requirement. Those liberals must always be the first in line to suffer the consequences of their actions. I'm ok with liberals trying whatever stupid, dangerous crap, and the rest of us observing it all from a distance.

"Oh, look the liberals are dying in a trash dumpster of their own stupidity. Oh well, I guess that's a good lesson for the rest of us, way over here."

But no, they are always nicely firewalled from the consequences of their actions.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 25, 2025 05:36 PM (3uBP9)

63

Big picture is these people are being used by the commies in a color revolution.

I feel we're on the trailing end and its going to be hard to change the course.

They have the cities, even if they get a lot worse, they have their underclass that can't move.

I wonder why Desantis and Abbott sent all these idiots to cities at great expense.

Maybe they didnt pay for it, and maybe someone else is controlling the flows.

Posted by: Rev DR E Buzz at November 25, 2025 05:36 PM (och2J)

64 "But he has children!!"

We had some actual refugee from the current German Reich. The Reich decided that homeschooling is verboten and was going to send the parents to prison.

Biden sent them back

So...f*ck any leftist that claims to be worried about the children of refugees.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at November 25, 2025 05:36 PM (sKqQm)

65
What is more pathetic is that there were years that the illegal was making more income than the US citizen whose identity was stolen.

All the social security the illegal paid into the guys account he should be able to keep.

Posted by: Frank Barone at November 25, 2025 05:36 PM (IifOV)

66 Round them all up. Kick all their asses out.
Never allow any of them a legal pathway in. Ever.
Caught reentering: for men 5 lashes then deportation.

Every illegal out.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at November 25, 2025 05:37 PM (SS/71)

67 The deadweight, the anchors around our necks, of so many tens of millions of people who regard this kind of NYT nonsense as anything other than delusional, and of course the collapse or corruption of the institutions.

The millstones are the elites that enforce it, not the people in general.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 05:37 PM (8avO+)

68 Progressivism kind of took over a while back.

Social justice was new (but just a coat of paint on same old shit.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 25, 2025 05:37 PM (zZu0s)

69 I have another requirement. Those liberals must always be the first in line to suffer the consequences of their actions. I'm ok with liberals trying whatever stupid, dangerous crap, and the rest of us observing it all from a distance.

Straight off of No Kings the governor of MA was demanding Trump lower the costs of heating oil.

Note the governor of MA specifically stopped new NG pipelines in her state.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 25, 2025 05:37 PM (sKqQm)

70 Wait, I'm starting to realize that Ace is actually the victim when he "borrows" the identity of Lamont the Big Dummy.

Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2025 05:37 PM (QMAsf)

71 Imagine how insufferable and smug is the AWFL klatch where this article is discussed approvingly.

The clucking and the preening as they each try to out-empathy the others vying for social status as "most caring for the poor," where the loser has to pay for the brunch with her husband's AmEx card.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 25, 2025 05:37 PM (T3zUV)

72 18 "Liberal" is the most ridiculously inaccurate to the point of meaningless term in use today. The people involved have no connection whatsoever to any liberal concept or policy. Just ignorant power-mad totalitarian social engineers with varying degrees of racism.

Oh well.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 25, 2025 05:27 PM (U/Byj)
_________
Actually, it makes sense. It refers to a belief in total autonomy; free from anything that might limit one.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 25, 2025 05:38 PM (s0JqF)

73 In a just world the American victim of this fraud would sue and win a ton of money from the employers who allowed it to happen.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at November 25, 2025 05:38 PM (HW6XE)

74 The IIRS needs to refund the victim plus interest

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at November 25, 2025 05:38 PM (dE3DB)

75 I remember theorizing here back around 2009 that Obama and Co wanted nothing more than to turn the entire world into a great big college campus.

The mainstream headlines we now see every four seconds are the EXACT bs we were subjected to by the worst of the faggot retarded sociowhatever Left in college.

I was correct. Those people are now writing the music of our lives.

Posted by: ... at November 25, 2025 05:38 PM (E0p3T)

76 I had my identity stolen some years back. No one would help me I went to the state police and all they did was give me a case number. Whoever got my identity was local because he kept opening cell phone and internet accounts in my name and actually got a town dump pass using my identity. He even voted in my place once which I find extremely disturbing and insane.

He opened an ebay account with my info and sold tons of fake stuff on it before it finally caught up with him. I found out one night when some random guy called me about a $64,000 antique guitar I was supposedly selling on ebay. He got suspicious and looked my real name up and called our home phone instead of the ebay listing number. We had to lock everything down but he kept opening cell phone accounts in my name for months after that.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 25, 2025 05:39 PM (0N4FZ)

77 Another story out of my home state. Marshall MN was mentioned, that is a tiny town in SW MN. Farm country. When I was growing up, MN was 90% white. No more. Diversity is not our strength.

Posted by: beckster at November 25, 2025 05:39 PM (I7J98)

78 All the social security the illegal paid into the guys account he should be able to keep.
Posted by: Frank Barone

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Nope. I hear they are diligent about removing that and putting it into a special fund. I have not figured out what they do with it though. Probably parties.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at November 25, 2025 05:39 PM (kIamG)

79 73 In a just world the American victim of this fraud would sue and win a ton of money from the employers who allowed it to happen.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald

Yes

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at November 25, 2025 05:39 PM (gDlxJ)

80 America is victimized by the NYT.
Trump should RICO the NYT.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 25, 2025 05:39 PM (P9xGM)

81 TV newsie introduced "we have our favorite vegetable", but meant veterinarian.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at November 25, 2025 05:40 PM (XmK3B)

82 New York Post@nypost
Bodycam shows escaped ‘Slender Man’ stabber Morgan Geyser busted with transgender friend

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Why Do the Heathen Rage? at November 25, 2025 05:32 PM (L/fGl)

Another tranny / furry / psycho. And slender man stabbing is that even Canon?

Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 05:40 PM (8avO+)

83 ace and Lamont is more like stolen valor.

ace and chuy is more like stolen pica de gallo.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 25, 2025 05:40 PM (zZu0s)

84 Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 25, 2025 05:39 PM (0N4FZ)

Insane!!

Posted by: ... at November 25, 2025 05:41 PM (E0p3T)

85 It's going to be fun watching the NYT deal with Mamdani. Things are going to get bad with his band of incompetent ideologues running the city. Will the Times report that or be the mayor's propaganda ministry? If members of the Times are the victims of crimes will it change any narrative? Inquiring minds want to know

Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 25, 2025 05:41 PM (bfwj/)

86 Businesses caught hiring illegals should have an IRS Audit, and heavy, heavy penalties. Enough is enough.

Posted by: Frank Barone at November 25, 2025 05:28 PM (IifOV)

And that would be the most effective way of removing them (along with eliminating all welfare payments) without all the attendant hand-wringing about poor mothers and children being rounded up. They would self-deport because they couldn't afford to live here!.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at November 25, 2025 05:41 PM (0t1wa)

87 TV newsie introduced "we have our favorite vegetable", but meant veterinarian.
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at November 25, 2025 0

Hey come on give ‘em a break those are both long words with many syllables.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at November 25, 2025 05:41 PM (HW6XE)

88 Another tranny / furry / psycho. And slender man stabbing is that even Canon?
Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 05:40 PM (8avO+)

I thought Slender man was a really disturbing sighting portending doom and not like, the Predator (OG, scary Predator.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 25, 2025 05:41 PM (zZu0s)

89 If liberals want to impose liberal policies on the country, they have to at least make sure the worst excesses of those policies are checked.
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This is internally impossible. The premise here is nonsensical. The only point in pursuing a policy is to pursue it to its maximum level. Even if that isn't the *intent,* it absolutely will be the *outcome.* All policies are pursued to their maximum absurdity. This is one of many reasons the originalist policy of, essentially, "have no policy at all wherever possible" is so valuable - it, too, is pursued to its maximum until policy changes.

This is inevitable. The leftists' policies will be pursued to the maximum. No checks. No limits. It can be no other way. Same goes for non-leftist policy, of course, but I prefer non-leftist policies in general.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 25, 2025 05:42 PM (0lawO)

90
The dems see all the illegals as the 60's coke commercial people standing cliff side holding a coke bottle singing "I'd like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmony...."

When really most are a bunch of grifting opportunists with 3rd world views of morality, justice, fairness and decency. They don't want to buy you a coke, they want you to buy them a coke, and they'll bash you over the head with the empty bottle take your wallet and start charging stuff on your credit card.

Posted by: Frank Barone at November 25, 2025 05:43 PM (IifOV)

91 If Trump tally wanted to mass deport he’d institute a $100k fine per illegal per day caught working for any business.

Thats how you stop it. If nobody hired them they go home. And if the risk outweighs the reward for hiring them, businesses will think long and hard before hiring them.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at November 25, 2025 05:43 PM (HW6XE)

92 66 Round them all up. Kick all their asses out.
Never allow any of them a legal pathway in. Ever.
Caught reentering: for men 5 lashes then deportation.

Every illegal out.
Posted by: The Man from Athens at November 25, 2025 05:37 PM (SS/71)

Last night my 34 year old Son told me I was a Racist because I said 'America is full'... we only have so many resources, and we have enough people.

Even though I would stop almost ALL immigration, no matter what their Race is... the immediate attack was of course, I was a Racist.

It's a reflex action from Liberals... surprised I wasn't called a Nazi yet.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 25, 2025 05:43 PM (mP0Kj)

93 Yeah same with “separating families” yeah tough shit. A car thief’s family is separated when he goes to prison. That’s his fault not the police who arrest him or the jury that convicts him.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at November 25, 2025 05:35 PM (HW6XE)

The best response to "separating families" is to strip the family of citizenship and send them too

Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 05:43 PM (8avO+)

94 >>> Do NOT click on this link!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Why Do the Heathen Rage? at November 25, 2025 05:32 PM (L/fGl)

The nice people at MindHead always help me in these situations.

But I want to click on the link!

MindHead: You must never click on the link.

I really feel like clicking on the link would be ...

MindHead: You must never click on the link ... You remember the exercise that we've been working on?

don'tclickthelink don'tclickthelink don'tclickthelink

MindHead: Feeling better?

Yeah. I don't know what I was thinking. ha [looks at link] I don't even want to click on the sexy sexy link.

MindHead: Banana! Stop!

Posted by: banana Dream at November 25, 2025 05:44 PM (3uBP9)

95 They have to show that they can demonstrate compassion without turning all of society into violent chaos.
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Since when does "compassion" have anything to do with anything? They barely even mouth the words anymore, and they never had any meaning.

It isn't about being "good" or "moral" or "compassionate" or whatever. It can't be even if that was the initial intent (which I doubt). A person can be charitable or compassionate or whatever else, but an institution cannot be. Institutional compassion is a contradiction in terms and trying to make one - or pretending to be one - can lead only to pathological excess of whatever it is the institution is doing.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 25, 2025 05:45 PM (0lawO)

96 Last night my 34 year old Son told me I was a Racist because I said 'America is full'... we only have so many resources, and we have enough people.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 25, 2025 05:43 PM (mP0Kj)

Ask him to pick up the check at the next 400 meetings you have. Since he has infinite resources.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 05:45 PM (8avO+)

97 "Their attitude is You deserve it, Colonialist Oppressors."

Exactly. The Leftists are operating as if all crimes committed by minorities against whypipo are victimless crimes. And operating as if all crimes by whypipo against minorities are capital crimes. Sickening.

Posted by: Gref at November 25, 2025 05:45 PM (5rh/l)

98 Big or small, deport them all.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 25, 2025 05:45 PM (0sNs1)

99 The escaped killers trannie friend looks like Andy Dick.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 25, 2025 05:45 PM (bfwj/)

100 I have a cheaper way than credit monitoring to keep you safe from identity theft:

Ruin your own credit.
Super easy. Not hard at all. Let some bills go. Stop paying cards.

Keep that shit below 500 and no worries.
Get it closer to 400 and even utilities won't sign you up.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 25, 2025 05:45 PM (HXT0k)

101 >It was adopted by the left because that asshole Wilson sullied the term "Progressive."
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they never say what they are progressing toward
like the people in this picture- where are they going

https://shorturl.at/2ZeJS

Posted by: Don Black at November 25, 2025 05:45 PM (AOsQT)

102 82 New York Post@nypost
Bodycam shows escaped ‘Slender Man’ stabber Morgan Geyser busted with transgender friend

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Why Do the Heathen Rage? at November 25, 2025 05:32 PM (L/fGl)

Another tranny / furry / psycho. And slender man stabbing is that even Canon?
Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 05:40 PM (8avO+)

He's not gay, but his boyfriend is!

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 25, 2025 05:45 PM (mP0Kj)

103 Leftism in a nutshell: there is no moral difference between the arsonist and the firefighter.

Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at November 25, 2025 05:46 PM (ed7qO)

104 They have to show that they can demonstrate compassion without turning all of society into violent chaos.
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Since when does "compassion" have anything to do with anything? They barely even mouth the words anymore, and they never had any meaning.

It isn't about being "good" or "moral" or "compassionate" or whatever.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 25, 2025 05:45 PM (0lawO)

it is not compassion, its a club for beating you into submission.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 05:46 PM (8avO+)

105 As Chris Plante often says, these are not Liberals.

Posted by: fd at November 25, 2025 05:46 PM (vFG9F)

106 I am so pissed off today
Feeling stabby

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at November 25, 2025 05:46 PM (GhIJO)

107 Our doctor, nurse, and teacher shortages go away.

Posted by: huerfano at November 25, 2025 05:46 PM (98kQX)

108 Kick them out. Kick them all out.
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Ever single last man, woman, child, dog, flea and tick. Back over the border.

After expropriating all property owned by one of them. Bank accounts, cash, cars, extra clothes, whatever. If there's an illegal alien, his balance is zeroed, his assets are liquidated and all of it is transferred to the state to retire the debts he racked up. Then he's sent back home. He can keep the clothes on his back and any medicine in his possession.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 25, 2025 05:47 PM (0lawO)

109 100 I have a cheaper way than credit monitoring to keep you safe from identity theft:

Ruin your own credit.
Super easy. Not hard at all. Let some bills go. Stop paying cards.

Keep that shit below 500 and no worries.
Get it closer to 400 and even utilities won't sign you up.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 25, 2025 05:45 PM (HXT0k)

LOL... I've got a substantial stock account... own my Car and Home outright... Get Soc Sec and Military retirement checks every month...no debt at all, don't even HAVE a credit card... and because of no debt, my Credit Score keeps dropping.

As I don't need it... I find it amusing.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 25, 2025 05:48 PM (mP0Kj)

110 Another tranny / furry / psycho. And slender man stabbing is that even Canon?
Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 05:40 PM (8avO+)

I thought Slender man was a really disturbing sighting portending doom and not like, the Predator (OG, scary Predator.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 25, 2025 05:41 PM (zZu0s)

I'm not up on the details but a prosaic hacker/slasher seems mundane to me too.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 05:48 PM (8avO+)

111 Leftism in a nutshell: there is no moral difference between the arsonist and the firefighter.
Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at November 25, 2025 05:46 PM (ed7qO)

But those who disagree -- they are demons from hell.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 05:49 PM (8avO+)

112 >>> As I don't need it... I find it amusing.
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 25, 2025 05:48 PM (mP0Kj)

Truth is, they need you a lot more than you need them.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 25, 2025 05:49 PM (3uBP9)

113 From the text in the Slender Man link:

who stopped her 150 miles away from her group home at a truck stop in Posen, Illinois.

Wow I didn't know Illinois was that bad, group homes at truck stops? Thanks, Gov. Spritzer!

Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I WAS The Science at November 25, 2025 05:50 PM (8hxDK)

114 Since when does "compassion" have anything to do with anything? They barely even mouth the words anymore, and they never had any meaning.

It isn't about being "good" or "moral" or "compassionate" or whatever.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 25, 2025 05:45 PM (0lawO)

it is not compassion, its a club for beating you into submission.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 05:46 PM (8avO+)

It is not either Compassion, nor Charity, for the State to take YOUR money, and give it to someone who should not even be in this country.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 25, 2025 05:50 PM (mP0Kj)

115 I asked my then Congressman about the stolen identity question at a townhall to no avail. The Catholic church and the local newspaper wrote this same scenario 10 years ago.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 25, 2025 05:50 PM (sDNVV)

116 Last night my 34 year old Son told me I was a Racist because I said 'America is full'... we only have so many resources, and we have enough people.

Even though I would stop almost ALL immigration, no matter what their Race is... the immediate attack was of course, I was a Racist.
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I think its a simpler story than we're full. We lock our personal residence (even if one rents). We do that because we choose who we allow to enter, and when, and under what circumstances. There are people who I would let in were they to drop by at 6 in the evening that aren't gaining entry at 2 in the morning. There are other people who won't be allowed entry at all.

Why would running a country's borders be any different than managing one's front door?

Posted by: Crusader at November 25, 2025 05:51 PM (TN0g+)

117 Also, freeze your credit accounts. Yes, it's a pain in the ass. Yes, if you want credit in the future, you have to find out which bureau(s) the lender uses and unfreeze it for a temporary period to let them process it.

But freezing your credit is free and a very effective step to thwart identity fraud. It stops not only falsely-issued credit, but stops many other uses of your identity. Utility companies, landlords, etc. often run credit and it blocks that. Banks always will, and it will block accounts being opened in your name. It won't block other uses of your SSN, but it significantly reduces your attack surface.

You can do "credit monitoring" if you want to, but freezing your credit is free and effective.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 25, 2025 05:51 PM (0lawO)

118 From the text in the Slender Man link:

who stopped her 150 miles away from her group home at a truck stop in Posen, Illinois.

Wow I didn't know Illinois was that bad, group homes at truck stops? Thanks, Gov. Spritzer!
Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I WAS The Science at November 25, 2025 05:50 PM (8hxDK)

does it still work as a truck stop?

probably just crappy newswriting though

Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 05:52 PM (8avO+)

119 BY THE WAY, I think this episode is an actual case of what limp leftists like to call "Gaslighting" (but they use for everything they don't like).

Prestige legacy institution commands you to have empathy for a scumbag scofflaw who ruined the life of an actual American citizen for years punctuated by taking the life of another actual American citizen. If they can twist you into not shooting this asshole out of a Circus Canon over the border, who can we ever rid ourselves of?

Posted by: Alec Leamas at November 25, 2025 05:52 PM (ssz2a)

120 Leftists don't believe in American exceptionalism. They never did. They think America is just another dot on a map. And if they have their way it will be.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 25, 2025 05:52 PM (viF8m)

121 How are we colonial oppressors when they invade out country? I do not understand the New York Times AI machine's proposal that a criminal is as much a victim as his victims (note the plural.)

Posted by: moki at November 25, 2025 05:52 PM (wLjpr)

122 How are we colonial oppressors when they invade out country? I do not understand the New York Times AI machine's proposal that a criminal is as much a victim as his victims (note the plural.)
Posted by: moki at November 25, 2025 05:52 PM (wLjpr)
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Because words have no meaning in the revolutionary worlds of the left.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 25, 2025 05:53 PM (0lawO)

123 It is not either Compassion, nor Charity, for the State to take YOUR money, and give it to someone who should not even be in this country.
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 25, 2025 05:50 PM (mP0Kj)

and in violation of THEIR OWN laws.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 05:53 PM (8avO+)

124 At this point I have to think the NYT is intentionally writing rage-bait articles to keep a few customers on the hook for subscriptions so they can write comments to the articles or "letters to the editor" or something.

I dunno, I wouldn't subscribe to that rag. *shrugs*

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at November 25, 2025 05:53 PM (O7YUW)

125 Anyone think these illegal vermin somehow just stole these victims’ identifies on their own? Oh no. Identify theft is big business.

Posted by: Elric the Blade at November 25, 2025 05:54 PM (19Bvr)

126 Leftists don't believe in American exceptionalism. They never did. They think America is just another dot on a map. And if they have their way it will be.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 25, 2025 05:52 PM (viF8m)
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If only this were true.

Leftists absolutely believe in American exceptionalism. America is exceptionally bad. Exceptionally immoral. Exceptionally cruel. Exceptionally evil. America and Americans must, therefore, be exceptionally punished. We are not merely another dot in a sea of dots. We must be destroyed.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 25, 2025 05:55 PM (0lawO)

127 116 Last night my 34 year old Son told me I was a Racist because I said 'America is full'... we only have so many resources, and we have enough people.

Even though I would stop almost ALL immigration, no matter what their Race is... the immediate attack was of course, I was a Racist.
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Thanksgiving dinner is going to be lit.
I'm not looking for a fight, but I'm not letting the leftists at the table get away with throwing out their socialist TDS crap and getting away with it. "Just let it go. It's not worth it" is going out the window. The reason these leftists feel so emboldened is because the rational people have let them get away with it for so long. They need to feel the burn of their stupidity. Relations be damned. I'm tired of this. It is insidious and gets into everything. No more.

Posted by: Frank Barone at November 25, 2025 05:55 PM (IifOV)

128 Leftists don't believe in American exceptionalism. They never did. They think America is just another dot on a map. And if they have their way it will be.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 25, 2025 05:52 PM (viF8m)

Not just another dot, the most evil dot. And yet they live here and use all the facilities.

I always like the 'Man without a Country' who cursed America so they put him on a boat for life and cut all references to America out of his books and news.

Navy was based back then.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 05:55 PM (8avO+)

129 New York Post@nypost
Bodycam shows escaped ‘Slender Man’ stabber Morgan Geyser busted with transgender friend

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

I was home sick and watched on Court TV the day that 'mental health' professionals appeared before a Judge saying that Geyser was A-Okay to be released from the Mental Hospital back in to society. The Judge gave her conditional release to a group home. The lawyers on TV were dumbfounded and asked during the break if the Judge and these mental health bozos would be comfortable having her in their homes baby sitting their kids. Well we see how this all worked out. Group homes are not confinement and ankle bracelets are easily dismantled. The defund police crowd wants these same mental health social workers policing criminals.

Posted by: Cheri at November 25, 2025 05:56 PM (oiNtH)

130 Anyone think these illegal vermin somehow just stole these victims’ identifies on their own? Oh no. Identify theft is big business.
Posted by: Elric the Blade at November 25, 2025 05:54 PM (19Bvr)
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Yup and I seriously doubt this is an Eastern European organized crime activity (though they are big in this business). My bet is very firmly on this being enabled and brokered by the Quango network, backed with US taxpayer dollars.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 25, 2025 05:56 PM (0lawO)

131 The defund police crowd wants these same mental health social workers policing criminals.
Posted by: Cheri at November 25, 2025 05:56 PM (oiNtH)

I'd love to see them try, as long as the regular cops arrest them when they run away and avoid doing their job.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 05:57 PM (8avO+)

132 Here's the great substack econ article I saw earlier:

https://www.yesigiveafig.com/p/
part-1-my-life-is-a-lie

It starts out a little zerohedgish, not jew blaming, none of that, I mean the putting everything in obscure trading terms. But that's just the beginning. The rest is a really good read about the current economy and why things are bad for people. I recommend reading it.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 25, 2025 05:58 PM (3uBP9)

133 Posted by: Frank Barone at November 25, 2025 05:55 PM (IifOV)

He apologized this morning... and knows I'm still pretty damn pissed off, so my guess is he will be on good behavior for awhile.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 25, 2025 05:58 PM (mP0Kj)

134 I saw a posting that compared the deportations and protests between Bush, Clinton, Obama and Trump. Trump had only a fraction of the deportations, but hundreds more protests.

Trump has only 1.2 million deportations. Rookie numbers.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at November 25, 2025 05:59 PM (wBaIH)

135 The dems see all the illegals as the 60's coke commercial people standing cliff side holding a coke bottle singing "I'd like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmony...."

And what if they don't sing in perfect harmony? What do you intend to do with "the world" then?

What narcissists.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at November 25, 2025 05:59 PM (a4flb)

136 I was home sick and watched on Court TV the day that 'mental health' professionals appeared before a Judge saying that Geyser was A-Okay to be released from the Mental Hospital back in to society. The Judge gave her conditional release to a group home.
Posted by: Cheri at November 25, 2025 05:56 PM (oiNtH)

These people who testify like this needs to have a three strike law - you predict badly, say 3 times and you are fired and disbarred from any expert position for life.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 05:59 PM (8avO+)

137 The first time a social worker sent to a mental health crisis is assaulted or killed the unions representing them will demand police escorts. Kind of defeats the whole idea

Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 25, 2025 06:00 PM (bfwj/)

138
There's not nearly enough about fire in this NYT article.

So, I'm not sure I believe any of it.

Can't the Identity Thief at least have a worm in his brain?

C'mon meet me halfway on this.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 25, 2025 06:00 PM (iJfKG)

139 The dems see all the illegals as the 60's coke commercial people standing cliff side holding a coke bottle singing "I'd like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmony...."

And what if they don't sing in perfect harmony? What do you intend to do with "the world" then?

What narcissists.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at November 25, 2025 05:59 PM (a4flb)

That would actually be a great torture system to force someone to actually do that for life.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 06:01 PM (8avO+)

140 He apologized this morning... and knows I'm still pretty damn pissed off, so my guess is he will be on good behavior for awhile.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 25, 2025 05:58 PM

I'm happy for you. I don't wish family political strife on anyone.

I haven't spoke to my sister since Last November. She's a TDS'er and I tread very lightly during the election. Didn't want to trigger her. I didn't have to, the mere fact that I voted for Trump made her cut me off. I miss her sometimes.

Posted by: Frank Barone at November 25, 2025 06:01 PM (IifOV)

141 E-verify. If you get 6 hits on the same SSN maybe it's beyond time to take a look.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 25, 2025 06:02 PM (sDNVV)

142 But remember, you guys, being an illegal alien is not a crime, they’re simply “undocumented.”

That’s what they’ve “Demsplained “ to us for decades. See, no crime, and these poor dears have been ‘living in the shadows’ just grant them amnesty!!

Posted by: Lizzy at November 25, 2025 06:02 PM (Hkcdp)

143 I mean, I'll go ahead and say it.

If the invader-enablers won't let us kick the invders out, then the next step is to remove the enablers.

There is no future for my kids if we don't unfuck this; they'll either be refugees or a minority in their own homeland, and I am about done with this psychotic cat lady AWFL bullshit masquerading as compassion.

Going along to get along is, collectively, a large part of how we got in this mess. If your relatives spout off with this anti-civilization shit at the holiday table, then kick their pinko asses out. Don't enable them or provide them aid.

Posted by: heya at November 25, 2025 06:02 PM (9tikr)

144 Both Sides: How An American Patsy Causes Pain To Migrant Who Borrowed His Identity For Fun And Profit.

Posted by: red speck at November 25, 2025 06:03 PM (Ve/HL)

145 E-verify. If you get 6 hits on the same SSN maybe it's beyond time to take a look.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 25, 2025 06:02 PM (sDNVV)

If its all the same guy its a pretty good indicator of something shady in another direction.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 06:03 PM (8avO+)

146 America is exceptionally bad. Exceptionally immoral. Exceptionally cruel. Exceptionally evil.

And by what authority do they judge these qualities?

On what basis do godless people even recognize "evil"?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at November 25, 2025 06:03 PM (a4flb)

147 The most infuriating part is per Elon and his DOGE team, the IRS could have screened for duplicate ss#s — but never have. This is a basic data model fix: disallowing duplicate records.

But no. Our government has chosen to allow this.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 25, 2025 06:04 PM (Hkcdp)

148 I'm still waiting for the abstract nude.
*drums fingers on table*

Posted by: torabora at November 25, 2025 06:04 PM (KtOUo)

149 It's a reflex action from Liberals... surprised I wasn't called a Nazi yet.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 25, 2025 05:43 PM (mP0Kj)
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Don't worry, it's early yet in Holiday Season.

You should laugh at his facile assumptions.

Posted by: Axeman at November 25, 2025 06:04 PM (krQz2)

150 >>Anyone think these illegal vermin somehow just stole these victims’ identifies on their own? Oh no. Identify theft is big business.

Posted by: Elric the Blade at November 25, 2025 05:54 PM

A friend of mine could not open a bank account because her SS number had been stolen and sold to multiple people. It took years to get it fixed.

Posted by: huerfano at November 25, 2025 06:05 PM (98kQX)

151 And by what authority do they judge these qualities?

On what basis do godless people even recognize "evil"?
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at November 25, 2025 06:03 PM (a4flb)
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Seriously?

Marxist dialectic, in one form or another. Usually the postmodernist framework, but it's essentially all the same shit.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 25, 2025 06:05 PM (0lawO)

152 I mean, I'll go ahead and say it.

If the invader-enablers won't let us kick the invders out, then the next step is to remove the enablers.

Posted by: heya at November 25, 2025 06:02 PM (9tikr)

Oh absolutely. Defund the colleges and unis. Even STEM is getting to be a racket of disproven theories tweaked to keep your department running.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 06:05 PM (8avO+)

153 My sympathy and compassion is all used up at this point. I don't give a fuck if you're from Mexico, Brazil, Ireland, India, China, Azerbaijan, San Marino, or the Seychelles. If you're here without authorization, you get to get the fuck out on your own or get tossed out on your ear.

We're either a sovereign nation or a transnational grey zone where nothing really matters. I strongly prefer the former.

Posted by: ballistic at November 25, 2025 06:05 PM (3BwY8)

154 "141 E-verify. If you get 6 hits on the same SSN maybe it's beyond time to take a look.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 25, 2025 06:02 PM (sDNVV)"

Treasury for decades has looked the other way because illegals with stolen or bogus SS numbers have tax withholding and pay SS/medicaid/etc, *but they don't get refundable tax credits or refunds*

In other words, DC was getting a cut. You don't hate these people enough.

Posted by: heya at November 25, 2025 06:05 PM (9tikr)

155 If someone drove me nuts for 20 years I might hunt that person down and it won't be their best day

Posted by: Skip at November 25, 2025 06:05 PM (+qU29)

156 And by what authority do they judge these qualities?

On what basis do godless people even recognize "evil"?
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at November 25, 2025 06:03 PM (a4flb)
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They steal that concept from godly people first, before enabling criminals.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 06:06 PM (8avO+)

157 And by what authority do they judge these qualities?

On what basis do godless people even recognize "evil"?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at November 25, 2025 06:03 PM (a4flb)
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It's not about what "evil" means, it's about who they want to call "evil".

We can be confused, because people on this side of politics tend to try to convey thoughts with words, so we use meanings that words already have.

They are always trying to fit the effect of the word to their emotions.

Posted by: Axeman at November 25, 2025 06:06 PM (krQz2)

158 On what basis do godless people even recognize "evil"?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure

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Neither Hillary or Obama were unanimously elected. That really pisses them off.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at November 25, 2025 06:07 PM (8AONa)

159 If someone drove me nuts for 20 years I might hunt that person down and it won't be their best day

How would they identify the body?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at November 25, 2025 06:07 PM (a4flb)

160 Need to bring down the thunder on a few businesses using illegals, lots of publicity.

Posted by: A dude in MI at November 25, 2025 06:07 PM (/6GbT)

161 "Oh absolutely. Defund the colleges and unis. Even STEM is getting to be a racket of disproven theories tweaked to keep your department running.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 06:05 PM (8avO+)"

Uh... yeah
"defund" them

that's what we'll call it. sure.

Posted by: heya at November 25, 2025 06:07 PM (9tikr)

162 "Trump has only 1.2 million deportations. Rookie numbers."

Numbers could still ramp up ... start charging the employers of illegals. Charge them more fervently if they used fake IDs.

Cut off ALL free shit. Health care number one, free food, other benefits. And stop all the other scams run by illegals, especially the human trafficking ... not just for sex, but indebtedness from those that owe the coyotes/cartels. And crack down on those aiding and abetting the criminal cartels in moving the illegals around, providing them services. (shut down of USAID can stop a lot of that).

Posted by: illiniwek at November 25, 2025 06:07 PM (vbXSk)

163 On what basis do godless people even recognize "evil"?
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at November 25, 2025 06:03 PM (a4flb)
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Today? They look at your skin color and who you like to have sex with. White and straight? Good luck.

Posted by: ballistic at November 25, 2025 06:07 PM (3BwY8)

164 Treasury for decades has looked the other way because illegals with stolen or bogus SS numbers have tax withholding and pay SS/medicaid/etc, *but they don't get refundable tax credits or refunds*

In other words, DC was getting a cut. You don't hate these people enough.
Posted by: heya at November 25, 2025 06:05 PM (9tikr)

I'll bet that statement is 100 pct false. How would they know not to generate a refund?

Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 06:08 PM (8avO+)

165 "157 And by what authority do they judge these qualities?

On what basis do godless people even recognize "evil"?"

I have mentioned several times recently the arguments about tolerance during the enlightenment, and the assertion by many that some should not be tolerated because they fundamentally can't be trusted for epistemological reasons

Posted by: heya at November 25, 2025 06:08 PM (9tikr)

166
I haven't spoke to my sister since Last November. She's a TDS'er and I tread very lightly during the election. Didn't want to trigger her. I didn't have to, the mere fact that I voted for Trump made her cut me off. I miss her sometimes.

Posted by: Frank Barone at November 25, 2025 06:01 PM (IifOV)

I'm sorry. We are hosting husband's sister who is virulent TDS as well. Praying for peaceful turkey dinner, since husbands blood pressure has been elevated lately. He's 15 years out from a quad bypass and I want to keep him around a while longer.

Posted by: moki at November 25, 2025 06:09 PM (wLjpr)

167 It's not about what "evil" means, it's about who they want to call "evil".

I don't care. They aren't allowed to use that word. If they can't figure out the meaning behind the word, then they can't use it as a label. Its just a sound, a noise, like a belch or a fart, with the same intellectual meaning and significance.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at November 25, 2025 06:09 PM (a4flb)

168 The NYT is the ultimate in moral relativism.

Hell, the spoke glowingly of the mass murder of the Ukrainian Kulaks!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 25, 2025 06:10 PM (n9ltV)

169 And his liability to the IRS now that the thief's been caught?

"FU, Pay us."

Posted by: Halfhand at November 25, 2025 06:10 PM (EZl3y)

170 148 I'm still waiting for the abstract nude.
*drums fingers on table*
Posted by: torabora at November 25, 2025 06:04 PM (KtOUo)

https://tinyurl.com/mudjw949

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at November 25, 2025 06:11 PM (xcxpd)

171
It was an act of love.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 25, 2025 06:11 PM (RfDQK)

172 moki, I will say a prayer for you dear lady. You don't need anymore shit in your life.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 25, 2025 06:11 PM (sDNVV)

173 "I'll bet that statement is 100 pct false. How would they know not to generate a refund?
Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 06:08 PM (8avO+)"

This has been a thing for years. The Dems have even complained that it is a reasona we can't "afford" to deport them.

Go ahead, try to file two returns and get two refunds, and tell us how that works out for you.

The illegals don't file, they don't get refunds, and in return the IRS and Treasury ignores their use of the SSNs. Everyone who has been exposed to the scam knows how this works, and it is why you can use the same SSN for a dozen illegals.

Posted by: heya at November 25, 2025 06:12 PM (ilNpL)

174 Really, "You're blathering" should be the answer to a lot of assertions by progs.

And if they ask for an explanation, "You're not using words in a way that means anything outside of your social group--if that!".

Not to mention, derision and laughter.

The Marxist starts out wish-casting all of History. Everything becomes a narrative to expand the overlying narrative.

Posted by: Axeman at November 25, 2025 06:12 PM (krQz2)

175 Yeah we are pissed about it but think about how the people who have had loved ones killed by these mutherfkrs feel. How many leftys get a different outlook on it after that kind of insult?

Posted by: fd at November 25, 2025 06:12 PM (vFG9F)

176 Leftism in a nutshell: there is no moral difference between the arsonist and the firefighter.
Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at November 25, 2025 05:46 PM (ed7q

5% of the world are wolves , 5% are sheepdogs and the remainder are sheep. Unfortunately the sheep can't tell the difference between wolves and sheepdogs.

Posted by: the way I see it Dangerfield at November 25, 2025 06:13 PM (KDPiq)

177 Godless people only think what they don't like is evil

Posted by: Skip at November 25, 2025 06:13 PM (+qU29)

178 Garnishing someone for wages earned by an illegal using their name and SSN is very common. Often it can be solved by declaring a stolen ID, but sometimes the state or feds don't care because f___ you pay me.

This is why I insist the first step to resolve this is for taxing authorities to refuse to allow employee write-offs to the employer for wages paid if there is a mismatch for SSN DOB and name, or if the employee shows up in multiple states or multiple employers.
There can be a three year period in which if the employer can get the employee to provide proof of identity the employer can amend or refile, otherwise it is flagged as fraudulent.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 25, 2025 06:14 PM (rbvCR)

179 "Evil Nazi" doesn't mean much when you call everyone an evil Nazi.

Posted by: fd at November 25, 2025 06:15 PM (vFG9F)

180 "And his liability to the IRS now that the thief's been caught?
"FU, Pay us." Posted by: Halfhand

The only time the IRS intervened in my payments it was to my benefit. In this case I'd guess, good chance he gets all his money back with interest. But it would be good to see that confirmed.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 25, 2025 06:15 PM (vbXSk)

181
Do NOT click on this link!

https://is.gd/egrUSM
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

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I already saw it on X, reposted by an anti-trans activist. Here are the big SHOCKS! of this story, so get your face ready:

1 - woman (?) who plotted as a teen to stab her friend to death is let out early

2 - goes to a halfway house where she's befriended by a weird adult

3 - the weird adult appears to be transgender

4 - stabber cuts off her ankle bracelet and is now at large

Not shocked? No?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 25, 2025 06:15 PM (RfDQK)

182 It's not about what "evil" means, it's about who they want to call "evil".

I don't care. They aren't allowed to use that word. If they can't figure out the meaning behind the word, then they can't use it as a label. Its just a sound, a noise, like a belch or a fart, with the same intellectual meaning and significance.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at November 25, 2025 06:09 PM (a4flb)
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Well, you're not going to get them to shut up.

Also, Michel Foucault already covers that ground for them: All words are noise, they are all equally meaningless and mainly about redistributing power.

Posted by: Axeman at November 25, 2025 06:16 PM (krQz2)

183 An easy answer to the identity theft is to ask for a birth certificate.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 25, 2025 06:16 PM (sDNVV)

184 Also, freeze your credit accounts. Yes, it's a pain in the ass. Yes, if you want credit in the future, you have to find out which bureau(s) the lender uses and unfreeze it for a temporary period to let them process it.

But freezing your credit is free and a very effective step to thwart identity fraud. It stops not only falsely-issued credit, but stops many other uses of your identity. Utility companies, landlords, etc. often run credit and it blocks that. Banks always will, and it will block accounts being opened in your name. It won't block other uses of your SSN, but it significantly reduces your attack surface.

You can do "credit monitoring" if you want to, but freezing your credit is free and effective.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 25, 2025 05:51 PM

We did that when my identity got stolen. We also put passwords on our bank accounts and turned off check cashing unless we called them and said we writing a check. It was painful but it protected us.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 25, 2025 06:16 PM (0N4FZ)

185 Seriously?

Marxist dialectic, in one form or another. Usually the postmodernist framework, but it's essentially all the same shit.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at November 25, 2025 06:05 PM (0lawO)

Marxism is also just an untidy lump of borrowed concepts from better philosophies. You can easily show how it collapses if people just refuse to work but collect on their need. Abilities are finite, needs are not.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 06:16 PM (8avO+)

186 *sings*

There's worm in The Politician's brain
There's worm in The Politician's brain
There's a worm
There's a worm
There's worm in The Politician's brain
There's a sperm in the worm in the Politician's brain
There's a sperm in the worm in the Politician's brain
There's a worm
There's a worm
There's worm in The Politician's brain
There's a germ in the sperm in the worm in the Politician's Brain
There's a germ in the sperm in the worm in the Politician's brain
There's a worm
There's a worm
There's worm in The Politician's brain
...

Sorry, had to get that outta my brain after reading the thread below.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 25, 2025 06:17 PM (iJfKG)

187 1 - woman (?) who plotted as a teen to stab her friend to death is let out early

2 - goes to a halfway house where she's befriended by a weird adult

3 - the weird adult appears to be transgender

4 - stabber cuts off her ankle bracelet and is now at large

Not shocked? No?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 25, 2025 06:15 PM (RfDQK)

WAIT!!!! Number three is supposed to be... PROFIT!

Posted by: Underpants Gnomes at November 25, 2025 06:17 PM (mP0Kj)

188 Really, "You're blathering" should be the answer to a lot of assertions by progs.

What do you mean when you say "fascist"?
What do you mean when you say "racist"?
What do you mean when you say "unfair"?

Most people have a Y Level† of 1, maybe 2. When they say "fascist" or "unfair" the Y Level is zero.

Why are you protesting today?

† They make a statement, you ask "Why?" and they answer, then ask "Why?" again. When they get to the point they can't answer, there is your Y Level.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at November 25, 2025 06:18 PM (a4flb)

189 Well, you're not going to get them to shut up.

Also, Michel Foucault already covers that ground for them: All words are noise, they are all equally meaningless and mainly about redistributing power.
Posted by: Axeman at November 25, 2025 06:16 PM (krQz2)

Two can play at that game. Just say that their arguments are noise and about redistributing power.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 06:18 PM (8avO+)

190 We are near a decision point culturally, the Federal Government is dominated by individuals who are functionally in rebellion against the actual citizenry of America. They refuse to be held to account, and refuse to slake their desired policy preferences regardless of political outcomes.

I do not know what the answer is.

Posted by: sven at November 25, 2025 06:18 PM (MUJd1)

191 "woman (?) who plotted as a teen to stab her friend to death is let out early"

She was supposed to be in a mental facility for 40 years. Maybe she can get a job at MSNBC or whatever they call that nuthouse now.

Posted by: fd at November 25, 2025 06:19 PM (vFG9F)

192 Godless people only think what they don't like is evil
Posted by: Skip at November 25, 2025 06:13 PM (+qU29)
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Although you can go overboard investing in Nietzsche, I think that's right in the ballpark of his "Master Morality". "Master Morality" says "I'm good. You're bad."

You are good when you serve me and my interests and you are bad when you counter them or compete with me for them.

Posted by: Axeman at November 25, 2025 06:19 PM (krQz2)

193 Trump deported by good friend Jose. He was here peacefully how dare that Trump [more whining]. And oh by the way does anyone else have a recommendation for a cheap landscaper? The Americans around here are greedy as hell and I'm not paying that much!

Posted by: 18-1 at November 25, 2025 05:27 PM (sKqQm)

They were pissed the last time we took their slaves too.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 25, 2025 06:19 PM (snZF9)

194 An easy answer to the identity theft is to ask for a birth certificate.

Would a birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper count?

Posted by: Barry Soetero at November 25, 2025 06:20 PM (a4flb)

195 She was supposed to be in a mental facility for 40 years. Maybe she can get a job at MSNBC or whatever they call that nuthouse now.

Posted by: fd at November 25, 2025 06:19 PM (vFG9F)
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Yeah... they never hold to those types of things.

It actually serves the "doctor's" ego to believe they "cured" somebody ahead of schedule.

Posted by: Axeman at November 25, 2025 06:20 PM (krQz2)

196 Yeah we are pissed about it but think about how the people who have had loved ones killed by these mutherfkrs feel. How many leftys get a different outlook on it after that kind of insult?
Posted by: fd at November 25, 2025 06:12 PM (vFG9F)

Surprisingly many are too addicted to the Borg that they keep playing the game even after a loved one is murdered.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 06:21 PM (8avO+)

197 You are good when you serve me and my interests and you are bad when you counter them or compete with me for them.

Shorter Nietzsche: "Might Makes Right"

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at November 25, 2025 06:21 PM (a4flb)

198
Last night my 34 year old Son told me I was a Racist because I said 'America is full'...

Posted by: Romeo13

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So... he thinks that you believe that people of a race other than your own are innately inferior? Like, morally, physically, intellectually? Is that what he's saying? No one has called me racist to my face yet, but that's going to be my followup question.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 25, 2025 06:22 PM (RfDQK)

199 Two can play at that game. Just say that their arguments are noise and about redistributing power.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 06:18 PM (8avO+)
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That's true. But that is realized in Foucault's model.

But what we get from this is "my desires are just as valid as your desires".

Because Foucault wanted to fuck teenage boys.

Posted by: Axeman at November 25, 2025 06:22 PM (krQz2)

200 You are good when you serve me and my interests and you are bad when you counter them or compete with me for them.
Posted by: Axeman at November 25, 2025 06:19 PM (krQz2)

That's a flawed philosophy - I can compete with others and not call them evil if the game is fair and reality based.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 06:23 PM (8avO+)

201 190 We are near a decision point culturally, the Federal Government is dominated by individuals who are functionally in rebellion against the actual citizenry of America. They refuse to be held to account, and refuse to slake their desired policy preferences regardless of political outcomes.

I do not know what the answer is.
Posted by: sven at November 25, 2025 06:18 PM (MUJd1)

That they shut down the Government because they wanted to allow fraud...

That Congress is not allowing the appointments of Prosecutors to go through, which is allowing Judges to let Criminals go free...

I concur... we are at a tipping point.

Posted by: Underpants Gnomes at November 25, 2025 06:23 PM (mP0Kj)

202 I do not know what the answer is.
Posted by: sven at November 25, 2025 06:18 PM
Yeah you do. It's just too horrible to think about. You ain't like the left, who revels in the notion of wiping out our half of America.

Posted by: Eromero at November 25, 2025 06:23 PM (LHPAg)

203 85 It's going to be fun watching the NYT deal with Mamdani. Things are going to get bad with his band of incompetent ideologues running the city. Will the Times report that or be the mayor's propaganda ministry? If members of the Times are the victims of crimes will it change any narrative? Inquiring minds want to know
Posted by: Smell the Glove

I'm interested to see how the NY mafia will deal with him.

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at November 25, 2025 06:24 PM (DsA2n)

204 An easy answer to the identity theft is to ask for a birth certificate.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 25, 2025 06:16 PM (sDNVV)

Oh No! Not That!

Posted by: Barack Obama, Kenyan at November 25, 2025 06:25 PM (R/m4+)

205 Nowhere does this poor dear ever go through a port of entry. You know, had he crosssed a bridge to a port of entry he wouldn’t have nearly drowned in the Rio Grande. This of course the NYT won’t mention. Nor will they advocate for the removal of CBP from JFK, LGA or EWR or the Port of NY & NJ to be consistent.

Posted by: Cow Demon at November 25, 2025 06:26 PM (6KcYW)

206 The problem with Michael Foucault was that he was such a scummy human that his "theories" were overwhelmed by his behavior

Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 25, 2025 06:27 PM (bfwj/)

207 You are good when you serve me and my interests and you are bad when you counter them or compete with me for them.
Posted by: Axeman at November 25, 2025 06:19 PM (krQz2)

That's a flawed philosophy - I can compete with others and not call them evil if the game is fair and reality based.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 25, 2025 06:23 PM (8avO+)
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True, but Nietzsche is not saying that's "moral", he's saying that's a base morality. He prefers it to "Slave Morality" which says "I am Evil". People who sublimate Nietzsche would say that FN really believes that a "Master Morality" refined through an appreciation of "aesthetics" (art) is really the better path forward.

"Master Morality" is not a suggestion, but a description of existing moral-related behavior.

Posted by: Axeman at November 25, 2025 06:27 PM (krQz2)

208 So... he thinks that you believe that people of a race other than your own are innately inferior? Like, morally, physically, intellectually? Is that what he's saying? No one has called me racist to my face yet, but that's going to be my followup question.

And what race are you referring to? Blumenbach's anthropological typing? Franz Boas? Samuel Morton's

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at November 25, 2025 06:27 PM (a4flb)

209 @nicksortor
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1h
🚨 BREAKING: A DOJ employee has just been charged with TERRORlSM after allegedly doxing Border Patrol agents to a man who wanted to kiII the agents

Posted by: Don Black at November 25, 2025 06:28 PM (AOsQT)

210 Their attitude is You deserve it

Bingo! Stripped of all the pseudo-intellectual twaddle they’ve tried to foist on everybody for decades - this is absolutely the core of it. Everything.

They have a death wish, coupled with an inability to change their world view. And, they are cowards.

So they become more extreme, willing to sacrifice you and your children to try and maintain a fairy tale in their head. “Your Death Before Their Dishonor.”

The more charitable types basically feel guilty for not being born poor, and spend much of their time annoying the poor by trying to “help” them. And so it goes.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 25, 2025 06:29 PM (B8LvX)

211 The problem with Michael Foucault was that he was such a scummy human that his "theories" were overwhelmed by his behavior

Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 25, 2025 06:27 PM (bfwj/)
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And yet, the left uses his concepts over and over.

They're not for pedophilia! Heavens no--and they would never be for that!! However, they can take from a writer who's end goal was the mainstreaming of homosexuality so that he could bang teenage boys, eventually.

Why is there no need to distance themselves from that on the left?

Posted by: Axeman at November 25, 2025 06:29 PM (krQz2)

212 Hope they charge him attempted murder

Posted by: Skip at November 25, 2025 06:30 PM (+qU29)

213 Nood. Trump pardons turkeys

Posted by: Tuna at November 25, 2025 06:30 PM (lJ0H4)

214 "If liberals want to impose liberal policies on the country, they have to at least make sure the worst excesses of those policies are checked."

The Left's ideologues--theologians, really--who are setting the dialectical agenda want to tear the whole thing down. The grifters and the people just trying to get by will mouth the Party line and pile on to the designated objects of the day's Hate. Both are afraid that if they don't they'll lose what they have.

Of the two victims, the identity thief is actually more victimy and therefore better. Anyway, he's doing more to burn down a systematically oppressive system which is an example of criminals actually helping to tear down a system which cannot meet the insane dialectical "ideals" and so must not continue.

If I'm reading the dates right, the identity thief came to the US under Billy Jeff, and continued his career under every president since.

Except Trump after he finally realized how much he needed to clean house. Imagine that.

Posted by: Peter B at November 25, 2025 06:32 PM (VTbl0)

215 I'm interested to see how the NY mafia will deal with him.
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at November 25, 2025 06:24 PM (DsA2n)

They are just a shadow of their former self. Russian and other foreign organized crime groups will just take advantage of the changes.

Posted by: the way I see it Dangerfield at November 25, 2025 06:34 PM (KDPiq)

216 Both Sides: How An American Patsy Causes Pain To Migrant Who Borrowed His Identity For Fun And Profit.
Posted by: red speck at November 25, 2025 06:03 PM (Ve/HL)

Hey, he believed America was a fair place, and did what he was supposed to do to be part of it. He obeyed. What was he supposed to do, object? He would have been an asshole like the lead character in Falling Down

Posted by: Kindltot at November 25, 2025 06:34 PM (rbvCR)

217 I'm interested to see how the NY mafia will deal with him.
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at November 25, 2025 06:24 PM (DsA2n)

It will be the Obama / Biden / Newsom gambit: Let all the people who are supposed to be policing him steal everything they wish, and that gives him an open hand to do whatever outrages he feels like.
Organized crime will be setting up kiosks on the street.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 25, 2025 06:35 PM (rbvCR)

218
Because Foucault wanted to fuck teenage boys.
Posted by: Axeman

The pendulum swings.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 25, 2025 06:45 PM (pkeXY)

219 I'm all for selling his and his dependents' organs and giving the money to the "real" Mr. Kluver. Also, the feds should return all the money paid for taxes incurred by the Guatamalan turd (plus compounded interest) paid for by 100% tax rates on remittances to Guatamala.

Posted by: Bob in Idaho at November 25, 2025 07:36 PM (fyTmn)

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Amazing: The New York Times Profiles an Illegal Alien Who Stole an American Man's Identity and Caused Him 20 Years of Legal Nightmares.
The Times Say They're Both Victims.