One Old Soldier's Perspective [Diogenes]

So I take a bit of vacation for the Holiday and some congressional idiots shoot their mouths off in a video thinking they could replicate the BS that came from the “51 Intelligence Officers” memo. Bad move. I have listened to the video a couple of times and in typical political obfuscation, they tried to hide their message by stating what is obvious: “You members of the military do not have to obey illegal orders.” Well Duh! Every person who enlists in the military gets a class on the legality of orders in the first week, usually right after getting an arm full of shots. This is common knowledge among those who are serving and among those who have served. I am a veteran of three wars, two hot and one cold and in EVERY instance where I was taking my troops into harm's way, I made a point of verifying with my chain of command that this was a legitimate operation, and I passed that information to my soldiers. There was never any doubt in my chain of command.

But the Hill-dwellers video misses the mark in a horrible and vicious way. What it apparently seeks to do is create doubt and distrust among the members of the military towards both their Commander-in-Chief and against the officers appointed over them. Their comments were disloyal to America, the military, and dishonorable to the oaths they have supposedly taken to sit in the jobs they hold now.They have deliberately undermined the good order and discipline in the armed forces, all for political expediency.

But is what they said illegal?

I am no lawyer and already social and mainstream media are flooded with accusations and counter-accusations. There will be no surprise to the Horde what each side is thinking. I’ll leave it to the experts to decide just how serious this is, but where this crossed the line for me was including a direct reference to the current Administration. That, in my opinion, might not reach the level of sedition, but it certainly comes close to incitement of mutiny. MUTINY: As written in the UCMJ, “ Acting in concert with others, a service member refuses to obey orders…” But these congress-criters are not necessarily subject to UCMJ, but possibly can be prosecuted under “seditious libel” which targets anti-government speech. But the courts, probably rightly so vis-a-vis the 1st Amendment, are tough on this one. But the harm it has done now is to set up any Soldier, Sailor, Marine or Airman with a high speed trip to prison thinking they can do what their Senator or Representative has told them to do.

As mentioned, it will be up to others to decide what is going to happen…probably not much…but I’d give a lot to be on the jury for even one of these assho…errr…distinguished members of the Congress. 20 years in a SuperMax would be the minimum.

[Diogenes is a twenty year Army veteran and Military Intelligence Officer with an additional 20 years working in the Intelligence Community as a contractor and consultant. And he yells at kids to keep off his yard.]

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1 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 25, 2025 11:00 AM (Zz0t1)

2 Even with the panic factor.....

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 25, 2025 11:00 AM (Zz0t1)

3 Noodlight lit.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 25, 2025 11:01 AM (Zz0t1)

4 I'll just enjoy the space.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 25, 2025 11:01 AM (Zz0t1)

5 Fresh thread smell.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 25, 2025 11:01 AM (Zz0t1)

6
ESPONJA!1!!!!11

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 25, 2025 11:01 AM (tljrc)

7 Well...

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at November 25, 2025 11:01 AM (d4UP6)

8 No mention if he found his coffee, tho.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 25, 2025 11:02 AM (Zz0t1)

9
1 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 25, 2025 11:00 AM

Sponge (actual) representin'!

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 25, 2025 11:03 AM (tljrc)

10 No blade?

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 25, 2025 11:03 AM (YtGvr)

11
Sponge (actual) representin'!
Posted by: AltonJackson at November 25, 2025 11:03 AM (tljrc)

Sun shines on a dog's ass on occasion.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 25, 2025 11:04 AM (Zz0t1)

12 Pete Hegseth
@PeteHegseth
So “Captain” Kelly, not only did your sedition video intentionally undercut good order & discipline…but you can’t even display your uniform correctly.
Your medals are out of order & rows reversed. When/if you are recalled to active duty, it’ll start with a uniform inspection.

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Gosh, Mark, you've been Hegsethed!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Why Do the Heathen Rage? at November 25, 2025 11:04 AM (L/fGl)

13 There was a plan behind the initial video step. Some parts of it have been stopped. Other parts will adjust tactics and then be revealed. Things we haven't seen unfold. Commies don't do anything without a plan.

Posted by: banana Dream at November 25, 2025 11:05 AM (3uBP9)

14 @PeteHegseth
So “Captain” Kelly, not only did your sedition video intentionally undercut good order & discipline…but you can’t even display your uniform correctly.
Your medals are out of order & rows reversed. When/if you are recalled to active duty, it’ll start with a uniform inspection.

Dime store Army Captain.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 25, 2025 11:05 AM (Zz0t1)

15 As mentioned, it will be up to others to decide what is going to happen…probably not much…but I’d give a lot to be on the jury for even one of these assho…errr…distinguished members of the Congress. 20 years in a SuperMax would be the minimum.

As I said on the Morning Report, if any of these nickelfuckers were going to be arrested, it would have happened by now. Trump and Hegseth are both chest-puffing now, but I am certain they won't pull the pin and nail these bastards to the wall.

Yes, it's a pain being a continual Debbie Downer, but at least I never have to worry about having my hopes crushed.

Posted by: John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt at November 25, 2025 11:06 AM (ufSfZ)

16
Nothing will happen to the civilians for sure. As for the retired military guy, nothing will happen.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 25, 2025 11:06 AM (RfDQK)

17
And good morning!

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 25, 2025 11:06 AM (RfDQK)

18 Off, sing-song sock!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at November 25, 2025 11:06 AM (ufSfZ)

19 Nothing will happen to the civilians for sure. As for the retired military guy, nothing will happen.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 25, 2025 11:06 AM (RfDQK)

You forgot to say "in before the nothing will happen guy."

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 25, 2025 11:07 AM (Zz0t1)

20 I doubt they'll be convicted of anything. Maybe Uncle Fester from Arizona well get dinged a bit but even that seems a stretch.

But I see this morning the FBI is setting up interviews with all 6 of them. Stop this next CIA op in the crib.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 25, 2025 11:07 AM (viF8m)

21 According to the FNM the following are "illegal" things for the military to do:

1) Kill Jihadis
2) Kill Narco Terrorists
3) Defend our border

However things like forcing soldiers to wear high heels or hell take a poison shot are a-ok.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 25, 2025 11:07 AM (sKqQm)

22 Diogenes, thank you for this.

Posted by: Wenda at November 25, 2025 11:07 AM (/WpRi)

23 Thank you for your service, and your perspective on this subject, Diogenes.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, lurking at November 25, 2025 11:08 AM (jQTUu)

24 Kelly is looking more and more like the alien parasite he encountered at his time at NASA

Posted by: 18-1 at November 25, 2025 11:08 AM (sKqQm)

25 Hi, Wenda! Good to see you!

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 11:09 AM (77rzZ)

26 Color Revolution, step 4.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at November 25, 2025 11:09 AM (xC2Ng)

27 As I said on the Morning Report, if any of these nickelfuckers were going to be arrested, it would have happened by now. Trump and Hegseth are both chest-puffing now, but I am certain they won't pull the pin and nail these bastards to the wall.

Yes, it's a pain being a continual Debbie Downer, but at least I never have to worry about having my hopes crushed.
Posted by: John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt at November 25, 2025 11:06 AM (ufSfZ)

#TwoWeeks

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at November 25, 2025 11:09 AM (HW6XE)

28 no monkey

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 25, 2025 11:10 AM (N1DT3)

29 Trump could fling some poon and say that commioned officers may be recalled and subject UCMJ at any time... specifically at o'dark thirty by a squad of MPs armed with weapons o war.

Thenn have some hummers park near the homed of the peoplre who were flapping their gums.

Leave... come back... leave... fly a drone around their homes... come back... knock on their doors at 3:30am... confirn that they live there... leave... be seen at daybreak parked on the street...

All perfectly legal

Posted by: Operator Error at November 25, 2025 11:11 AM (rGPrJ)

30 However things like forcing soldiers to wear high heels or hell take a poison shot are a-ok.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 25, 2025 11:07 AM (sKqQm)
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I think the enlisted Rainbow Brigade queers who happily wore high heels in service did so voluntarily without an ounce of coercion.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at November 25, 2025 11:11 AM (xC2Ng)

31 This sedition is designed to work hand in hand with the Democrats warning of political retribution and going after everyone who followed Trump's orders when they get in charge.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 25, 2025 11:12 AM (N1DT3)

32 Who would put the cuffs on Kelly if it were to happen? Civilian, military? Serious question.

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2025 11:12 AM (PCK5/)

33 As a former NCO, thus enlisted, I still retain the thinking that nothing ever really happens to officers.

Sorry, but I truly do not think this Kelly character is going to face any real punishment (in this life anyway).

The fact that he's also a Dem also reinforces that belief.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 25, 2025 11:12 AM (22p5n)

34 "It' terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged"

GKC

Posted by: Oglebay at November 25, 2025 11:12 AM (2ap+5)

35 As I said on the Morning Report, if any of these nickelfuckers were going to be arrested, it would have happened by now.
Posted by: John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt at November 25, 2025 11:06 AM (ufSfZ)

Dude, it's only been a few days. We're talking about arresting members of Congress here. They've got to be absolutely sure that they've got something actionable on them.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 11:12 AM (77rzZ)

36 Dime store Army Captain.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 25, 2025 11:05 AM (Zz0t1)

Sadly, Navy, which makes him a bird colonel in the Army. And he was, apparently, an actual combat pilot once.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 25, 2025 11:13 AM (ExV1e)

37 (Comes in. Reads bedwetters’ comments and leaves shaking head in disgust)

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 25, 2025 11:14 AM (jbnUc)

38 31 This sedition is designed to work hand in hand with the Democrats warning of political retribution and going after everyone who followed Trump's orders when they get in charge.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 25, 2025 11:12 AM (N1DT3)

THIS is why THAT simply cannot be allowed. I suppose it sounds kind of extreme.

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2025 11:14 AM (PCK5/)

39 Dude, it's only been a few days. We're talking about arresting members of Congress here. They've got to be absolutely sure that they've got something actionable on them.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 11:12 AM (77rzZ)
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And then hope that a judge doesn't dismiss the case because the handcuffs were on too tight.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at November 25, 2025 11:14 AM (xC2Ng)

40 Mark Kelly is almost as tall as my mom.

Posted by: Oglebay at November 25, 2025 11:15 AM (2ap+5)

41 I think the Admin has got it right - Trump was a bit too blustery with the death penalty talk (Just gave them talking points) but other than that a good respons.

Legally - the civilians do not appear to have violated any law, their 1st amendment defense is solid. Kelly, however, is subject to the UCMJ and he can probably be held to account.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 25, 2025 11:15 AM (uWKK8)

42 So Mark Kelly is a Wee Little Man?

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2025 11:15 AM (PCK5/)

43 Kelly should be recalled to active duty and prosecuted.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at November 25, 2025 11:15 AM (hyFic)

44 As a lawyer, I think what they said crossed the line. It's one thing to say "if you're a soldier, you don't have to obey illegal orders." Duh.

It's another thing to make a very public, splashy plea that "if you're a soldier, don't obey Donald Trump's illegal orders, and we're not specifying which orders are illegal because -- wink, wink --- Trump is Hitler and Adolph and KKK and the demons the KPop hunters are after." This would be illegal.

The video these loathsome toads made is much closer to the second (illegal) statement than the first.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 25, 2025 11:16 AM (iFTx/)

45
When/if you are recalled to active duty, it’ll start with a uniform inspection.

If only R Lee Ermey were still with us...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 25, 2025 11:16 AM (y9nCu)

46 As a former NCO, thus enlisted, I still retain the thinking that nothing ever really happens to officers.
Posted by: SMH

Sometimes it does. But it has to be something really egregious.

Even then, they can get away even with egregious stuff in the right circumstances. During the Civil War, there was a Union general who murdered another general in broad daylight, but he was let off with a very light punishment because the Union Army was short of experienced officers.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 11:16 AM (77rzZ)

47 We allow our politicos too much leeway with what they can say "as part of their functioning as members of Congress / government."

Guttersnipe Crotchrot libeled GOP members, but since she was on the House floor, nothing will happen. And she backtracked her comments with saying "a" in front of Epstein's name.

If the GOP had a backbone they'd push for (at a minimum) they be censored. A middle of the road punishment would be their removal from office. On the extreme end; hanged in a public square.

It would provide perspective for the rest of those shit heads if there was actual penalties for sedition.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 25, 2025 11:16 AM (NwnyJ)

48 Posted by: JackStraw at November 25, 2025 11:07 AM (viF8m)

CIA opp? Isn’t Radcliffe the head of the CIA? I doubt this comes from him, so who is behind this at the CIA if this is a CIA opp?

Posted by: Ann at November 25, 2025 11:17 AM (x1OYB)

49
Slotkin, Nessel, Whitmer and Benson: Michigan's angry Karen lesbian quartet.

Posted by: Auspex at November 25, 2025 11:17 AM (Y8DZL)

50 It is the typical passive-aggressive gaslighting and bull-baiting by the left that they live 24/7.

I was instructed that the assumption unless it was prima facie evident that an order was absolutely immoral was that orders are legal, and it was made plain that ignoring orders would never be pleasant.

My OSUT class like many in the late 80s and early 90s was also polled on whether there was any situation that they would fire on unarmed American citizens, we answered past 90% like most classes that the answer was no.

By 1997 my wife was not asked that at Ft Jackson, nor was my son back in 2017.

The answer given the composition of the force and the miracles worked by the educrats would probably alarm people were they asked.

Posted by: sven at November 25, 2025 11:17 AM (MUJd1)

51 When I see people like these Congressdemons saying these things, or some flag officer like Milley bragging about violating orders from the President, I feel like I'm watching a child about to stick a fork in a light socket.

I normally brush it off when some naïf says "oh, these Democrats better watch out when they shit all over this or that law or norm, because when the Republicans blah blah blah..." The politicians and the state will never do anything about anything.

But the military are not the politicians, or the civilians. It's one of the largest, best trained fighting forces in the world, and if you succesfully disrupt the civilian chain of command, you are necessarily going to leave it the military itself to sort out who's actually in charge of things, and virtually nobody will like the outcome of that ugly process.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 25, 2025 11:17 AM (BI5O2)

52 And he was, apparently, an actual combat pilot once.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
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I've got combat pilot experience too

Posted by: Flyin' Green Dildo at November 25, 2025 11:18 AM (DDJSl)

53 *Ratcliffe

Posted by: Ann at November 25, 2025 11:18 AM (x1OYB)

54 >>This sedition is designed to work hand in hand with the Democrats warning of political retribution and going after everyone who followed Trump's orders when they get in charge.

I believe this was all part of another CIA op not an off the cuff act by a few "patriots". As much as I'd like to see real punishment I don't even know if what they said was technically illegal. I'm more interested is strangling this thing early and stopping these endless intel ops. This seems like a good shot across the bow for starters.

>>@FoxNews

>>🚨 BREAKING: FBI is scheduling interviews with 6 lawmakers who encouraged military members to refuse 'illegal orders,' @davidspunt and @JakeBGibsonreport

Posted by: JackStraw at November 25, 2025 11:18 AM (viF8m)

55 The video these loathsome toads made is much closer to the second (illegal) statement than the first.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 25, 2025 11:16 AM (iFTx/)

It might be close, but you cannot jail someone for insinuation. Imagine if, under Obama, you had said that Soldiers should not obey any illegal orders to attack American Citizens. Should Obama have been able to send you to jail for saying that?

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 25, 2025 11:18 AM (uWKK8)

56 CIA opp? Isn’t Radcliffe the head of the CIA? I doubt this comes from him, so who is behind this at the CIA if this is a CIA opp?

Posted by: Ann at November 25, 2025 11:17 AM (x1OYB)
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The agencies were never gutted. Tons of underlings to choose from.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at November 25, 2025 11:19 AM (xC2Ng)

57 Earlier this morning I saw the term Seditious Six.
I wish I had thought of that.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 25, 2025 11:19 AM (y3bZw)

58 Make TREASON Executable Again!

chmod +x TREASON

Pour encourager les autres ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at November 25, 2025 11:19 AM (cjvQp)

59 "I’ll leave it to the experts to decide just how serious this is, but where this crossed the line for me was including a direct reference to the current Administration. That, in my opinion, might not reach the level of sedition, but it certainly comes close to incitement of mutiny."

👍 Aye.

Thank you.

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at November 25, 2025 11:19 AM (NFX2v)

60 55
It might be close, but you cannot jail someone for insinuation. Imagine if, under Obama, you had said that Soldiers should not obey any illegal orders to attack American Citizens. Should Obama have been able to send you to jail for saying that?
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 25, 2025 11:18 AM (uWKK

So, nothing will happen, in summary?

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2025 11:19 AM (PCK5/)

61 What institution do you still trust in our government? This is a very hard lift.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 25, 2025 11:20 AM (Wg6v7)

62 no monkey
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 25, 2025 11:10 AM (N1DT3)

The monkey is in the SCIF. No cameras allowed.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at November 25, 2025 11:20 AM (Sq3iI)

63 But the harm it has done now is to set up any Soldier, Sailor, Marine or Airman with a high speed trip to prison thinking they can do what their Senator or Representative has told them to do.

They're no different than the Bin Ladens of the world who send others off to die, but live the high life in their own compound because they're important, don't you know.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2025 11:20 AM (Riz8t)

64 What institution do you still trust in our government? This is a very hard lift.
___

None.

Zip.

Nada.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 25, 2025 11:20 AM (22p5n)

65 Dude, it's only been a few days. We're talking about arresting members of Congress here. They've got to be absolutely sure that they've got something actionable on them.
Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 11:12 AM (77rzZ)

This is not a slap at you, Bulg, but - what 'something actionable' applied to Grandma Gertie who was arrested for taking selfies at the capitol on J6?

Charge the assholes with jaywalking, spitting on the ground or talking back to their mamas - I don't give a fuck! I am sick to death of 'process' and 'norms' and 'something actionable.' I want revenge, and I am utterly pissed off that it isn't happening.

Fuck. I wasn't going to drink today, but I need it.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at November 25, 2025 11:21 AM (ufSfZ)

66 As a fellow graduate of Kelly's alma mater, I have to say I'm a bit disappointed in the boy.

Posted by: Cosda at November 25, 2025 11:21 AM (LgGAL)

67 So, nothing will happen, in summary?
Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2025 11:19 AM (PCK5/)

Not only will nothing happen it’s even worse. By allowing it to happen it encourages them to double down. They have immunity to say anything.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at November 25, 2025 11:21 AM (HW6XE)

68 >>CIA opp? Isn’t Radcliffe the head of the CIA? I doubt this comes from him, so who is behind this at the CIA if this is a CIA opp?

I think it's a big mistake for people to keep assuming that entire agencies like the CIA or DOJ magically turned into patriotic MAGA places just because a new director was appointed.

Look at what happened to Trump in his first term with polticized intel agencies. It took decades for them to be infiltrated and it will take a long time to clean them up.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 25, 2025 11:21 AM (viF8m)

69 They're no different than the Bin Ladens of the world who send others off to die, but live the high life in their own compound because they're important, don't you know.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2025 11:20 AM (Riz8t)

SSDD.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 25, 2025 11:21 AM (ExV1e)

70 48 Posted by: JackStraw at November 25, 2025 11:07 AM (viF8m)

CIA opp? Isn’t Radcliffe the head of the CIA? I doubt this comes from him, so who is behind this at the CIA if this is a CIA opp?
Posted by: Ann at November 25, 2025 11:17 AM (x1OYB)

There's a huge number of prominent ex-CIA around DC that are still connected through Brennan, etc. They are now a political force of their own, and not accountable to Ratldcliffe at all.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 25, 2025 11:21 AM (uWKK8)

71 The video these loathsome toads made is much closer to the second (illegal) statement than the first.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 25, 2025 11:16 AM (iFTx/)

It might be close, but you cannot jail someone for insinuation. Imagine if, under Obama, you had said that Soldiers should not obey any illegal orders to attack American Citizens. Should Obama have been able to send you to jail for saying that?
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 25, 2025 11:18 AM (uWKK

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Me? No. But someone subject to UCMJ? Yes, probably. At least it would be close enough to bring a case. You know with 100% certainty that if a bunch of ex-military guys made the exact same video about Obama's drone strikes being illegal and shouldn't be obeyed, they'd be arrested in 24 hours. We should be equally aggressive.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 25, 2025 11:22 AM (iFTx/)

72 64 What institution do you still trust in our government? This is a very hard lift.
___

None.

Zip.

Nada.
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 25, 2025 11:20 AM (22p5n)

I hate to agree with you on this, but I do. Everything has been compromised. Maybe it always has been, but it’s all so blatant now.

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2025 11:22 AM (PCK5/)

73 As a former NCO, thus enlisted, I still retain the thinking that nothing ever really happens to officers.

Sorry, but I truly do not think this Kelly character is going to face any real punishment (in this life anyway).

The fact that he's also a Dem also reinforces that belief.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy

And if an Academy grad, he be really golden then.

Posted by: Operator Error at November 25, 2025 11:22 AM (rGPrJ)

74 65 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at November 25, 2025 11:21 AM (ufSfZ)

Correct the FIB and friends can use geofencing, and forensic accounting and six hops to make sure people they had to essentially invent "law" on the fly to prosecute get the full rectal exam encounter with DOJ....somehow they can't go after Antifa or the Seditious Six....

fuck that.

Posted by: sven at November 25, 2025 11:23 AM (MUJd1)

75 Fuck. I wasn't going to drink today, but I need it.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

Sorry, man. Didn't mean to spin you up.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 11:23 AM (77rzZ)

76
Several years ago Kelly's brother spent a year on the space station.

Heard him speak at an event later where he said his stay would help cure cancer.

He and his twin don't just look like pricks.

Posted by: Auspex at November 25, 2025 11:23 AM (Y8DZL)

77 The damage is done. Every solider will in the back of his mind think “oh shit is what I’m doing illegal”? And that hesitation will get Americans killed. Which is the end goal for the left.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at November 25, 2025 11:23 AM (HW6XE)

78 BREAKING: FBI is scheduling interviews with 6 lawmakers who encouraged military members to refuse 'illegal orders,' @davidspunt and @JakeBGibsonreport

Probably to give them advice on how to better market their sedition talk next time around.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at November 25, 2025 11:23 AM (ufSfZ)

79 73 Posted by: Operator Error at November 25, 2025 11:22 AM (rGPrJ)

Different spanks, for different ranks.

Perversely the higher you go the less you get beat.

Posted by: sven at November 25, 2025 11:24 AM (MUJd1)

80 The state has always been corrupt and incompetent, but now the state knows that we know and are maybe a little curious as to what we can do about it. That's why they want digital ID and CBDC.

Posted by: Oglebay at November 25, 2025 11:24 AM (2ap+5)

81 Again, I don't care if what they said was 100% legal, and fully protected 1st Amendment speech.

Why?

Because, fuck them, that's why:
1) They are Democrats.
2) Never but never would they extend even 0.001% of the leeway they demand now to conservatives, and--this is the biggest,
3) These are all the same assholes that have spent the last 4 years yelling, lying and screaming that "Trump incited an insurrection!!" on J6.

Let them all recant and admit they lied about what Trump did and said on J6 and I'll consider changing my view.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 25, 2025 11:24 AM (T3zUV)

82 I think this call toward mutiny crosses the line into illegality since they directly indicate that Trump as CIC is issuing illegal orders.

I'm truly tired of these little rhetorical crimes given a pass. Consult your lawyers and if they give it a clean pass, bring them to trial with a nice hard penalty staring them in the face.

There is nothing wrong with upholding the letter of the law.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 25, 2025 11:25 AM (fXjrT)

83 So, nothing will happen, in summary?
Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2025 11:19 AM (PCK5/)

They may try something against Kelly, but even that will only be process. In the end it will be dropped.

And I don't think it's really helpful to our side to build up expectations that Something Will Be Done, when in fact there's no chance of it. Kind of like the way the Epstein Files got built up into this Big Thing, and then just pissed off a whole lot of people when they turned out to be nothing much at all.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 25, 2025 11:25 AM (uWKK8)

84 Posted by: sven at November 25, 2025 11:23 AM (MUJd1)

Sven! Haven't crossed paths with you in a while, brother! Hope you are well!

**fistbump**

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at November 25, 2025 11:26 AM (ufSfZ)

85 I have a loss of faith in the human institutions I “ swim” in. The result is pushing me closer and closer to God and what He ordains.

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2025 11:26 AM (PCK5/)

86 Charge the assholes with jaywalking, spitting on the ground or talking back to their mamas - I don't give a fuck! I am sick to death of 'process' and 'norms' and 'something actionable.' I want revenge, and I am utterly pissed off that it isn't happening.

Fuck. I wasn't going to drink today, but I need it.
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Right there with ya. Especially the drink.

Posted by: Kareem of Wheat at November 25, 2025 11:26 AM (Q+3G7)

87 Sorry, man. Didn't mean to spin you up.
Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 11:23 AM (77rzZ)

It's OK. I really should cut back on my AoS time for a while and detox.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at November 25, 2025 11:27 AM (ufSfZ)

88 And if an Academy grad, he be really golden then.
Posted by: Operator Error
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Yep.

If something happens to Kelly, and he is punished under the UCMJ, I will be pleasantly surprised, but I'm not about to get my hopes up over it.

I personally think a lot of these retired officers need to have their pensions revoked for all the crap they've been spewing, especially since Trump came onto the scene.

Where were they when Obama and Biden were running roughshod over the Constitution?

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 25, 2025 11:27 AM (22p5n)

89 Maybe we should change our name to the United Oligarchs of the Empire of Ghettos?

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 25, 2025 11:27 AM (Wg6v7)

90 81 Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 25, 2025 11:24 AM (T3zUV)

Ogabe purged the ranks, to get "people more in line with my vision" all this is fucking academic.

The democrats do not view "the military as last check on democrat overreach" as at all valid when they are in power.

Fuck them and the horse they get rode by.

Posted by: sven at November 25, 2025 11:27 AM (MUJd1)

91 Again, I don't care if what they said was 100% legal, and fully protected 1st Amendment speech.

Why?

Because, fuck them, that's why:
1) They are Democrats.
2) Never but never would they extend even 0.001% of the leeway they demand now to conservatives, and--this is the biggest,
3) These are all the same assholes that have spent the last 4 years yelling, lying and screaming that "Trump incited an insurrection!!" on J6.

Let them all recant and admit they lied about what Trump did and said on J6 and I'll consider changing my view.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 25, 2025 11:24 AM (T3zUV)
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This. At this point, I don't care if what they did was illegal. Fuck them. Arrest and prosecute, let the chips fall where they may.

Far too many of us (including even on this blog) are too ready to shake our heads and do nothing because we think "nothing will happen."

Well, they may be right. Maybe even probably they are right. But for sure "nothing will happen" if we do nothing. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 25, 2025 11:27 AM (iFTx/)

92 Heya MP4!

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 25, 2025 11:27 AM (22p5n)

93 In the Navy, the fear was constantly in my mind of running afoul of some regulation and ending up breaking rocks at Leavenworth. That, or inadvertantly mishandling classified information.

Having a clearance kept you hypervigilant of your own behavior.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 11:28 AM (77rzZ)

94 84 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at November 25, 2025 11:26 AM (ufSfZ)

I'm great and it is good to see you, saw AOP last night and still wonder on Empire of Jeff.

Take solace that the democrats are at their lowest ebb since 2002.

Posted by: sven at November 25, 2025 11:28 AM (MUJd1)

95 I have a loss of faith in the human institutions I “ swim” in. The result is pushing me closer and closer to God and what He ordains.
Posted by: tubal
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Faith in the Lord is what keeps me going, regardless of what the world does.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 25, 2025 11:29 AM (22p5n)

96 I have a loss of faith in the human institutions I “ swim” in. The result is pushing me closer and closer to God and what He ordains.

And people wonder why we became monks and lived in the wilderness.

Posted by: Saint Anthony the Great at November 25, 2025 11:29 AM (Riz8t)

97 They made the video to provoke a response from Trump that they could use to get their base of idiots worked up. And it worked. Trump overreacted and gave them what they wanted.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 25, 2025 11:29 AM (6Xm2W)

98 It's OK. I really should cut back on my AoS time for a while and detox.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

What's your new novel about? Another Theda Bara mystery?

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 11:29 AM (77rzZ)

99 There were rumors back in Vietnam Way days, of regular army guys throwing hand grenades into their officers' tents. I think the notion was these undertrained "elite officers" were taking stupid risks with their men's lives. But maybe that was just disinformation back before internet days, idk.

Back in the early 80's I worked with a guy that was an officer in that era, but he was a hands on guy. He'd go out after incoming mortar rounds and measure angles to know where to return fire. Fortunately I missed that war by a couple years.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 25, 2025 11:30 AM (vbXSk)

100 97 Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 25, 2025 11:29 AM (6Xm2W)

Sure the best response by Trump to suborning of sedition is "that's nice comrade."

Posted by: sven at November 25, 2025 11:30 AM (MUJd1)

101 "What it apparently seeks to do is create doubt and distrust among the members of the military towards both their Commander-in-Chief and against the officers appointed over them. "

This is exactly what it does and they did it on purpose specifically to sow distrust in the military. I personally think they all should be taken out and shot.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 25, 2025 11:30 AM (0N4FZ)

102 This is pretty much my take too, Diogenes. They're being too cute by half and don't care what may happen to an impressionable servicemember, all to undermine the Chain of Command when they don't control it. Despicable.

- FCCS(SW/AW) Jeff Weimer, USN (ret)

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at November 25, 2025 11:31 AM (0c1TT)

103 Save democracy by staging military coup. The democrat way.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at November 25, 2025 11:31 AM (HW6XE)

104
The civilian loudmouths are gaping assholes, but if memory serves they engaged in their sedition under the protection of the 1st Amendment, and on the House floor, where members of Congress can say whatever they want without consequence (the late Hairy Reed being one of the worst).

But when you take The Oath, you trade in a bunch of your rights in exchange for being more likely to get shot in the face by the enemies of the United States. Fuck him, drag him back into uniform. Even if he doesn't get court martialed, drag him back anyway, just for GP.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 25, 2025 11:31 AM (y9nCu)

105 Faith in the Lord is what keeps me going, regardless of what the world does.
Posted by: SMH

I am growing in my faith lately. This world is just too fallen, so I'm increasingly looking forward to the world to come.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 11:31 AM (77rzZ)

106 This is exactly what it does and they did it on purpose specifically to sow distrust in the military. I personally think they all should be taken out and shot.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 25, 2025 11:30 AM (0N4FZ)

This.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 25, 2025 11:32 AM (snZF9)

107 Having a clearance kept you hypervigilant of your own behavior.
Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 11:28 AM (77rzZ)

Exactly this.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at November 25, 2025 11:32 AM (Sq3iI)

108 There were rumors back in Vietnam Way days, of regular army guys throwing hand grenades into their officers' tents. I think the notion was these undertrained "elite officers" were taking stupid risks with their men's lives. But maybe that was just disinformation back before internet days, idk.
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This is known as fragging, and it was a thing in Vietnam.

Heck, it even happened at Camp Pennsylvania in Kuwait at the leadup to the invasion of Iraq in 2003, but this was due to some crazy muslim NCO.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 25, 2025 11:32 AM (22p5n)

109 Well put.

Posted by: Art at November 25, 2025 11:32 AM (gSnZg)

110 I have a loss of faith in the human institutions I “ swim” in. The result is pushing me closer and closer to God and what He ordains.
Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2025 11:26 AM (PCK5/)

Bingo.

This is all spinning out of control now. There might be a good outcome; there almost definitely won't be, but in any event, there will be *some* outcome. And since our institutions are long since decoupled from any kind of input from the citizenry, we as individuals have zero agency in the things that happen between now and the disintegration of the regime.

It's best to just strap in, and try to live a life focused inwardly on your family, friends & faith. It's all that matters anymore. Not any of this *waves hand dismissively* horseshit. Some future generation will eventually rebuild from our rubble, so we need to raise them for that task.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 25, 2025 11:33 AM (BI5O2)

111 I am growing in my faith lately. This world is just too fallen, so I'm increasingly looking forward to the world to come.
Posted by: Bulg
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Amen.

We're just passing though.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 25, 2025 11:33 AM (22p5n)

112 109 Well put.

Posted by: Art

Thanks.
*I'll just assume he was talking to me*

Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2025 11:33 AM (Riz8t)

113 105 Faith in the Lord is what keeps me going, regardless of what the world does.
Posted by: SMH

I am growing in my faith lately. This world is just too fallen, so I'm increasingly looking forward to the world to come.
Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 11:31 AM (77rzZ)

Yeah. I find it best to put my faith in the immutable and unchanging God. He’s trustworthy unlike people. Put not your faith in princes.

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2025 11:33 AM (PCK5/)

114 103 Save democracy by staging military coup. The democrat way.
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The Law of Lincoln is inherently stupid. It states, that if your spouse, siblings or children wish to leave you, you are entitled to kill them to preserve a union that no longer exists.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 25, 2025 11:34 AM (Wg6v7)

115 What's your new novel about? Another Theda Bara mystery?
Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 11:29 AM (77rzZ)

Yes. It takes place in 1922 and has her investigating the murder of the director William Desmond Taylor (which is a real Hollywood mystery). I'm taking a few days off to relax and then am going to work on the next draft. I'm hoping for a spring 2026 release, but we will see.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at November 25, 2025 11:34 AM (ufSfZ)

116 And it's about time to wrap things up for the day. See you all tomorrow.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at November 25, 2025 11:34 AM (ufSfZ)

117 Yeah. I find it best to put my faith in the immutable and unchanging God. He’s trustworthy unlike people. Put not your faith in princes.
Posted by: tubal
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Amen.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 25, 2025 11:35 AM (22p5n)

118 What institution do you still trust in our government? This is a very hard lift.
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bureau of weights and measures

Without it those formally one pound coffee cans would still be labeled "one pound".

Posted by: Operator Error at November 25, 2025 11:35 AM (rGPrJ)

119 retired officers ARE subject to the UCMJ ... some at least one of these morons may be in for some trouble ...

Posted by: The Dark Lord at November 25, 2025 11:35 AM (DBAaD)

120 Charge the assholes with jaywalking, spitting on the ground or talking back to their mamas - I don't give a fuck! I am sick to death of 'process' and 'norms' and 'something actionable.' I want revenge, and I am utterly pissed off that it isn't happening.

Unless you're suggesting that we just start indiscriminately shooting people, our side has to play by the rules in place. It sucks and it's not fair but it is what it is.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 25, 2025 11:35 AM (ExV1e)

121 So, the CIA has ops running today that were conceived shortly after WWII. Still running. The Agency has so many "fronts" (businesses that run agents and ops) that they don't need Congressional funding for all their "stuff."

The Agency is totally self sufficient. Ungovernable.

You simply don't "shut it down." It can't be. But you can lean hard on those it's co-opting within government to do its bidding. And there are a lot of those people running around the capitol city.

It just depends on the will-power of the administration and how they handle the people being co-opted. It's not as if they're rubes and have no idea what they're doing.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 25, 2025 11:36 AM (NwnyJ)

122 When the Israelites demanded a king, why didn't God just say no?

Posted by: Oglebay at November 25, 2025 11:37 AM (2ap+5)

123 There was a plan behind the initial video step. Some parts of it have been stopped. Other parts will adjust tactics and then be revealed. Things we haven't seen unfold. Commies don't do anything without a plan.
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The left has multiple operations they are running right now directly aimed at killing the last of America.
Each designed to stack on and feed off of the others to spread chaos and violence; each to lead to an attack on Trump:

1) This one, to incite mutiny, sedition and disloyalty among the enlisted ranks.
2) Using the Fed to scuttle the economy; interest rates kept high.
3) judicial insurrection via endless illegal orders, most issued in defiance of clear, direct and binding authority.
4) Over-seas agents provocateurs (exposed by X now) to sow dissent and confusion; to asto-turf and inflate contentious and extremist positions.
5) RINO and pretend-con congressional resignations and rumors of same.

Because the left knows that 2026 is their last chance in 40 years to take the House.
And without the House, they have no chance for the Presidency in 2028.
The left is going all-in.
The last 8 years will look tame and restrained by September of next year.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 25, 2025 11:37 AM (T3zUV)

124 It just depends on the will-power of the administration and how they handle the people being co-opted. It's not as if they're rubes and have no idea what they're doing.

Trump's a real estate developer in NYC. What would he know about institutionalized corruption?

Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2025 11:37 AM (Riz8t)

125 retired officers ARE subject to the UCMJ
Posted by: The Dark Lord

Retired enlisted, too. Anyone drawing a military pension.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 11:38 AM (77rzZ)

126 I don't like being a wet blanket on cases like this, but the only cases where a charge of sedition has a chance of standing up is when there is a clear, direct, unambiguous call for violence - and even then not vague general violence, but an identifiable specific target. (of course I'm not talking about UCMJ, that's a different system)

And it gets worse - the SCOTUS precedent Brandenburg v. Ohio case established that speech advocating illegal action is protected unless it incites imminent lawless action. That's like "YOU GO TO MY MOTHER'S HOUSE RIGHT NOW AND BURN IT DOWN!!!"
Without something on that level, a conviction is impossible.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 25, 2025 11:38 AM (uWKK8)

127 Thanks for your service Diogenes!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 25, 2025 11:38 AM (HlyYF)

128 What would Lincoln have done? What would FDR have done?

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at November 25, 2025 11:40 AM (g8Ew8)

129 I think this call toward mutiny crosses the line into illegality since they directly indicate that Trump as CIC is issuing illegal orders.

To the best of my knowledge, none of them has pointed to a single illegal order by Trump, even when pressed on the matter.

They're scum but they're cunning scum.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 25, 2025 11:40 AM (ExV1e)

130 When the Israelites demanded a king, why didn't God just say no?
Posted by: Oglebay at November 25, 2025 11:37 AM (2ap+5)

Not the point. He warned them, they didn't listen, he gave them what they asked for.

Hy did he allow Satan to torment Job, or tempt David?

Ya pay yer nickel, ya take yer ride.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 25, 2025 11:40 AM (BI5O2)

131 117

Amen.

And I appreciate the discussion of Scripture and the Vulgate Bible.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 25, 2025 11:40 AM (RKlIw)

132 Our legal system seems to be increasingly designed to protect the guilty and punish the innocent. Situationally, of course. Hard to be a fan.

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2025 11:40 AM (PCK5/)

133 It takes place in 1922 and has her investigating the murder of the director William Desmond Taylor (which is a real Hollywood mystery).
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

Wasn't he gay? And wasn't there some actress who was suspected of offing him?

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 11:41 AM (77rzZ)

134 When the Israelites demanded a king, why didn't God just say no?
Posted by: Oglebay
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God's response was both an act of judgment (giving them what they wanted, good and hard) and a step toward fulfilling His greater plan, which included the eventual rise of a godly king like David and, in the fullness of time, the eternal reign of Jesus Christ, the true King from the line of Judah.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 25, 2025 11:41 AM (22p5n)

135
In the Navy, the fear was constantly in my mind of running afoul of some regulation and ending up breaking rocks at Leavenworth. That, or inadvertantly mishandling classified information.

Having a clearance kept you hypervigilant of your own behavior.
Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 11:28 AM (77rzZ)

It's been 30ish years since I finished my enlistment, and I still have nightmares about basic training and about the prospect of losing a KYK-13.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 25, 2025 11:41 AM (y9nCu)

136 A question for you folks that have served recently. Do installations still have brigs or stockades for locking up minor offenders? I had to write up an underling on UA charges (after "advice" form the SgtMaj) and he got 30 days in the Quantico brig. Also, one of the more entertaining sights at Cherry Point was the marching of the brig rats to chow. Those guys looked like the changing of the guard at Buckingham Palace. When you PT and drill 8 hours a day you get good at it.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 25, 2025 11:42 AM (gm9Sb)

137 132 Our legal system seems to be increasingly designed to protect the guilty and punish the innocent. Situationally, of course. Hard to be a fan.
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When all the cops are criminals and all the sinner saints.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 25, 2025 11:42 AM (Wg6v7)

138 130 When the Israelites demanded a king, why didn't God just say no?
Posted by: Oglebay at November 25, 2025 11:37 AM (2ap+5)

Not the point. He warned them, they didn't listen, he gave them what they asked for.

Hy did he allow Satan to torment Job, or tempt David?

Ya pay yer nickel, ya take yer ride.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 25, 2025 11:40 AM (BI5O2)

Punishment for disobedience. Yeah, God will do that, contrary to some people’s notions.

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2025 11:42 AM (PCK5/)

139 One major goal of Slotkins video was to provoke Trump, and he obligingly responded with a suggested death penalty for these sly fuckers.

Every AWFL in America got freshly whooped up into a frenzy. Expect more such outrageous material now, as midterms approach, because AWFL's are the core voters of the Democrat coalition.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 25, 2025 11:43 AM (vbMG5)

140 And I appreciate the discussion of Scripture and the Vulgate Bible.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

As a former translator, I find the history of Biblical texts endlessly fascinating.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 11:43 AM (77rzZ)

141 Those guys looked like the changing of the guard at Buckingham Palace. When you PT and drill 8 hours a day you get good at it.
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Parris Island was like that.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 25, 2025 11:43 AM (Wg6v7)

142 Please correct me if I am misremembering --

A rather high-ranked officer was offered even higher-ranked options for Ukraine. Wife was CIA? Twin was another branch of service.

Creepy stuff. So, how much bribery has been accepted over the past few decades?

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 25, 2025 11:43 AM (WiQPM)

143 Unless you're suggesting that we just start indiscriminately shooting people, our side has to play by the rules in place. It sucks and it's not fair but it is what it is.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 25, 2025 11:35 AM (ExV1e)

Especially since there is a full blown judicial revolt going on, which requires direct SCOTUS involvement in almost every case - see the Texas Redistricting case recently.

The Administration can only do what the SCOTUS is comfortable with. Lest I need to remind anyone, Trump is not strong enough to do away with the other branches of government and impose a protectorate. Not yet, at least.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 25, 2025 11:43 AM (uWKK8)

144 When I was a lowly private in the US Army I don’t remember any discussion whatsoever about unlawful orders. Maybe it was mentioned in basic but I can’t remember… it was a long time ago. For certain it was not an emphasized topic…. Different times I guess. I think it would’ve been better if everyone had simply ignored these jackwagons….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 25, 2025 11:43 AM (YobFY)

145 Punishment for disobedience. Yeah, God will do that, contrary to some people’s notions.
Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2025 11:42 AM (PCK5/)

“But God is LOVE, and that means affirming EVERYTHING I do! A God of love would NEVER punish anyone for anything! Why are you so HATEFUL?”

~ Typ mega-church goer

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at November 25, 2025 11:44 AM (Mxf84)

146 Expect more such outrageous material now, as midterms approach, because AWFL's are the core voters of the Democrat coalition.
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If Whoopie suddenly up and died, how long would the nation be expected to mourn?

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 25, 2025 11:44 AM (Wg6v7)

147 Not to step on the obviously correct “nothing will happen” guy, but for the record, because these seditious a-holes broadcast their crap to the world, they do not need to be tried in DC, in front of an all-Democrat jury. They deeply influenced the operations of the Wyoming National Guard, and can be tried in Meteetse. In front of a jury of tobacco chewing ranchers.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at November 25, 2025 11:44 AM (NBcgk)

148 The Administration can only do what the SCOTUS is comfortable with. Lest I need to remind anyone, Trump is not strong enough to do away with the other branches of government and impose a protectorate. Not yet, at least.

I have it on good authority that he's an absolute monarch.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2025 11:45 AM (Riz8t)

149 I’ll leave it to the experts to decide just how serious this is, but where this crossed the line for me was including a direct reference to the current Administration. That, in my opinion, might not reach the level of sedition, but it certainly comes close to incitement of mutiny. MUTINY: As written in the UCMJ, “ Acting in concert with others, a service member refuses to obey orders…”

Sedition: conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.

Yeah. It did.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 25, 2025 11:45 AM (PDBoZ)

150 In 2019, California began working toward becoming the first state to institute a regionalized approach to implement its Next Generation 911 system, which was replacing 1970s-era technology. Instead of the statewide system traditionally used, the California Governor’s Office of Emergency Services hoped a regionalized approach would prevent a single point of failure from causing a widespread outage by implementing three regional sectors and a fourth “prime” backup provider for statewide coverage.

But after spending around $450 million to build out the system, Cal OES halted the project last year due to “operational difficulties,” citing issues with the regional approach and stating it would pivot back toward the statewide approach.

The debacle, which comes on the heels of the state’s high-speed rail project that has similarly triggered criticism for facing sweeping delays and going billions of dollars over budget, has sparked concern from the California Fire Chiefs Association.

Posted by: SMOD at November 25, 2025 11:45 AM (RHGPo)

151 In the Navy, the fear was constantly in my mind of running afoul of some regulation and ending up breaking rocks at Leavenworth. That, or inadvertantly mishandling classified information.

Having a clearance kept you hypervigilant of your own behavior.
Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 11:28 AM (77rzZ)

It's been 30ish years since I finished my enlistment, and I still have nightmares about basic training and about the prospect of losing a KYK-13.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 25, 2025 11:41 AM

I gave Navy advancement exams some of which were classified secret three times a year for 18 years on active duty and another 10 as a civilian. I was terrified of losing one and being that guy they made an example of.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 25, 2025 11:46 AM (0N4FZ)

152 I noticed Wolf Blitzer (apparently) accused the Nazis of following illegal orders, and tried to make some Nuremburg comparisons. Maybe, he said “legal orders” and it was transcribed in error.

The point being in any case, the Allies notably did not allow “I was following orders” as a legal defense. Because, everything the Nazis did was legal under the laws. This is an important distinction.
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What’s going on with our current day unpleasantness is people want to work for the government, but they think the Constitution and our laws are a kind of Smorgasbord. “Oh, I don’t like that law, I don’t like that regulation, that policy isn’t what I want.”

These twats have been infesting and infiltrating government since the “Clean for Gene” era if not earlier. You don’t have to like the President. You don’t have to like his policies. But he is the CINC.

Find another line of work, because government is not in your skill set.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 25, 2025 11:46 AM (p9bn0)

153 When I was a lowly private in the US Army I don’t remember any discussion whatsoever about unlawful orders. Maybe it was mentioned in basic but I can’t remember… it was a long time ago. For certain it was not an emphasized topic…. Different times I guess. I think it would’ve been better if everyone had simply ignored these jackwagons….
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 25, 2025 11:43 AM (YobFY)

I'd bet that units are holding a refresher course in case anyone has forgotten.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 25, 2025 11:46 AM (ExV1e)

154 140 And I appreciate the discussion of Scripture and the Vulgate Bible.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

As a former translator, I find the history of Biblical texts endlessly fascinating.
Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 11:43 AM (77rzZ)

I realize I come here and snark, and sometimes “ color outside the lines” but in the end I put my reliance on Almighty God and His promises. He’s my only true source of clarity and faithfulness in this world. The “ world” cannot be trusted because it is so deeply broken.

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2025 11:46 AM (PCK5/)

155 141 Heh. This is no shit. Our Drill Instructor, not the Senior DI, but the "Hammer" marched us out to a remote basketball court outside battalion and coached us on goose stepping. Guess he thought it looked cool.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 25, 2025 11:46 AM (gm9Sb)

156 OT- In a fit of pique someone had thrown out a bunch of lottery tickets which hadn't won on the ground at the convenience store . They also threw out one which they hadn't scraped off. It was worth $2.00. Not much, but it was $ 2.00 more than I had before .

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 25, 2025 11:46 AM (9OpPK)

157 Thanks for your essay,. Diogenes. Good to see you back again writing!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 25, 2025 11:48 AM (9OpPK)

158 Yusuf and his wife Lul Ahmed were charged with stealing $7.2 million of taxpayer money through Medicaid overbilling in a personal care assistant (PCA) scam.

The couple allegedly spent tens of thousands of the fraud money on luxury items for themselves.

"It was not a difficult decision whatsoever. The deliberation took probably four hours at most. Based off of the state's evidence that was presented, it was beyond a reasonable doubt," jury foreperson Ben Walfoort told KARE 11 News.
Related Man convicted in multimillion-dollar Medicaid fraud scheme

Despite the jury swiftly convicting Yusuf, Judge Sarah West last week decided that they got it wrong, overturning the verdict and issuing a judgment of acquittal.

Judge West said the state's cased relied "heavily on circumstantial evidence" and that the state did not "exclude other reasonable, rational inferences."

Posted by: SMOD at November 25, 2025 11:48 AM (RHGPo)

159 132 Our legal system seems to be increasingly designed to protect the guilty and punish the innocent. Situationally, of course. Hard to be a fan.
Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2025 11:40 AM (PCK5/)

That comes from the fact that our Constitution, unlike almost any other nations, is specifically designed to limit the Government's power over its citizens, not to expand it. When it gets too strong we get more J6's. At least our system finally overturned that, although it took far too many years for it to happen.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 25, 2025 11:48 AM (uWKK8)

160 When I was a lowly private in the US Army I don’t remember any discussion whatsoever about unlawful orders. Maybe it was mentioned in basic but I can’t remember… it was a long time ago. For certain it was not an emphasized topic…. Different times I guess. I think it would’ve been better if everyone had simply ignored these jackwagons….
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 25, 2025 11:43 AM (YobFY)

We spent a whole morning training session on it during my basic.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at November 25, 2025 11:48 AM (g8Ew8)

161 When I was a lowly private in the US Army I don’t remember any discussion whatsoever about unlawful orders. Maybe it was mentioned in basic but I can’t remember… it was a long time ago. For certain it was not an emphasized topic…. Different times I guess. I think it would’ve been better if everyone had simply ignored these jackwagons….
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 25, 2025 11:43 AM (YobFY)

I'd bet that units are holding a refresher course in case anyone has forgotten.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 25, 2025 11:46 AM

When I was in it was a required training session once a year. That may have been changed over the decades since I retired but it used to be required training every year.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 25, 2025 11:48 AM (0N4FZ)

162 156 OT- In a fit of pique someone had thrown out a bunch of lottery tickets which hadn't won on the ground at the convenience store . They also threw out one which they hadn't scraped off. It was worth $2.00. Not much, but it was $ 2.00 more than I had before .
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 25, 2025 11:46 AM (9OpPK)

“Leave no stone unturned” is thus proven.

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2025 11:49 AM (PCK5/)

163 Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2025 11:46 AM (PCK5

Yes indeed!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 25, 2025 11:49 AM (9OpPK)

164 Judge West said the state's cased relied "heavily on circumstantial evidence" and that the state did not "exclude other reasonable, rational inferences."
Posted by: SMOD at November 25, 2025 11:48 AM (RHGPo)

Someone’s been over to notthebee.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at November 25, 2025 11:49 AM (Mxf84)

165 Unless you're suggesting that we just start indiscriminately shooting people, our side has to play by the rules in place. It sucks and it's not fair but it is what it is.

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Then do what they do......apply the law good and hard.

Sick of this simpering hand-wringing.

Posted by: Kareem of Wheat at November 25, 2025 11:49 AM (Q+3G7)

166 Despite the jury swiftly convicting Yusuf, Judge Sarah West last week decided that they got it wrong, overturning the verdict and issuing a judgment of acquittal.

Judge West said the state's cased relied "heavily on circumstantial evidence" and that the state did not "exclude other reasonable, rational inferences."
Posted by: SMOD at November 25, 2025 11:48 AM (RHGPo)

I assume that this can be appealed.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 25, 2025 11:49 AM (ExV1e)

167 Ministers have proposed to end the right to a jury trial for a vast range of criminal offences in England and Wales, as they grapple with a vast backlog of cases that is delaying hearings by more than a year in many instances. Under the shake-up, juries would remain involved in only the most serious trials — for offences such as rape, murder and manslaughter — or if there was a strong public interest in the case. All other cases would be heard by a judge sitting alone.

Posted by: SMOD at November 25, 2025 11:49 AM (RHGPo)

168 OT- In a fit of pique someone had thrown out a bunch of lottery tickets which hadn't won on the ground at the convenience store . They also threw out one which they hadn't scraped off. It was worth $2.00. Not much, but it was $ 2.00 more than I had before .
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 25, 2025 11:46 AM (9OpPK)

Finders keepers, losers weepers…. We’d chant this when I was a kid heh

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 25, 2025 11:50 AM (YobFY)

169 I think the pdt and hegseth are playing this wrong. They need to call out the people who made the video to clarify what illegal orders they belive had been issued. If they call out a legal order as illegal then they are in a heap of trouble. Of course they will backtrack because they won't be able to find one. Then they need to be called out for toying with getting lowly troops to commit crimes based on their weak sauce accusations. Call out the press too for not sniffing out these mystery illegal orders or pressing these clowns.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at November 25, 2025 11:50 AM (i0Hi3)

170 They also threw out one which they hadn't scraped off. It was worth $2.00. Not much, but it was $ 2.00 more than I had before .
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I bet the 49ers to win in the late third quarter last night. Of course I won cuz the game was largely done. Then I asked myself, why are you betting a game before it kicks off? This is in my mind today.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 25, 2025 11:50 AM (Wg6v7)

171 It still amazes me that so many are still willing to extend cover to the Dems, that this is "still time for following the rules," e.g. the First Amendment.

Were the Dems following the rules when they impeached Trump for "inciting an insurrection?"
Were the Dems following the rules when they arrested Trump for made-up felonies, to imprison him for life?
To prevent you from voting for him ever again?
Were the Dems following the rules when they tried, at least, twice to kill Trump?

This is the difference between crossing a frozen river at midnight to ambush your enemy while they're drunk celebrating and accepting their surrender at Yorktown--the time for rules is when they surrender.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 25, 2025 11:50 AM (T3zUV)

172 Judge West said the state's cased relied "heavily on circumstantial evidence" and that the state did not "exclude other reasonable, rational inferences."
Posted by: SMOD at November 25, 2025 11:48 AM (RHGPo)

I sincerely hope that Judge's ruling is quickly overturned, because what was stated there was the Jury's decision to make, not the Judge's. The State is not required to present all possible rational inferences, that is the job of the Defense. and it is the job of the Jury to decide.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 25, 2025 11:50 AM (uWKK8)

173 The Administration can only do what the SCOTUS is comfortable with. Lest I need to remind anyone, Trump is not strong enough to do away with the other branches of government and impose a protectorate. Not yet, at least.

Thought Experiment: The Left, with their anarcho-tyranny at minimum wants a Civil War, the end means is to end Western Civilization, ergo elimination of the current form of government.

The question is asked: "once you destroy the US and remove us from the structure of the Constitution and Rule of Law, what is its replacement?"

They concoct all kinds of Marxist/Demonic organizations, but what if Trump short circuits it and declares himself emperor and the military agrees to support it?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at November 25, 2025 11:50 AM (a4flb)

174 Ministers have proposed to end the right to a jury trial for a vast range of criminal offences in England and Wales, as they grapple with a vast backlog of cases that is delaying hearings by more than a year in many instances. Under the shake-up, juries would remain involved in only the most serious trials — for offences such as rape, murder and manslaughter — or if there was a strong public interest in the case. All other cases would be heard by a judge sitting alone.

Well, maybe if they stopped arresting people for posting memes they don't like...

Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2025 11:50 AM (Riz8t)

175 When I was in it was a required training session once a year. That may have been changed over the decades since I retired but it used to be required training every year.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS)

We had yearly training on the Code of Conduct and Geneva Convention, but I don't remember if the issue of Illegal orders was addressed.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 11:51 AM (77rzZ)

176 152 I noticed Wolf Blitzer (apparently) accused the Nazis of following illegal orders, and tried to make some Nuremburg comparisons.
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Is this the same Wolf Blitzer who scored a zero on Jeopardy?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 25, 2025 11:51 AM (ytIvj)

177 139 One major goal of Slotkins video was to provoke Trump, and he obligingly responded with a suggested death penalty for these sly fuckers.

Every AWFL in America got freshly whooped up into a frenzy. Expect more such outrageous material now, as midterms approach, because AWFL's are the core voters of the Democrat coalition.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 25, 2025 11:43 AM (vbMG5)

Trump was right to torch these people publicly. Sedition - or mutiny - can't be allowed to stand. These people weren't rando celebrities, they were in Congress.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 25, 2025 11:52 AM (0CU3H)

178 I approve of this post.

Reforger is a four year Army veteran and decorated shammer with an additional 30 years working in bullshit jobs for marginal pay. He attained the highest honor and E4 of his ill repute can, Captains Driver. He often imagines he has a lawn and local kids to yell at to get off it.

Posted by: Reforger at November 25, 2025 11:52 AM (03GBw)

179 So on 31 DEC 2025 (orders are published) I will be officially to the Retired List after 40 years, 7 months and 11 days of military service. In all those years of walking in and out of various HQs (BN, BDE, DIV, Corps, Army, Joint) I passed by what are called Command Boards. President, SecDef, SecNav/SecArmy, and so on down the chain of command. Not once in all of those 40+ years have I ever seen a Senator or Representative. I have been told that ALL of my actions and statements are subject to UCMJ action even after I retire. Mark Kelly is and should be held to the same standard as a retired Naval officer. He also should have known better. You don't get to post a thinly disguised coup recruitment video and then claim to be a free speech martyr. It's called FAFO for a reason

Posted by: Stacy0311 at November 25, 2025 11:52 AM (G1ktt)

180 Is this the same Wolf Blitzer who scored a zero on Jeopardy?
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Snort.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 25, 2025 11:52 AM (Wg6v7)

181 Yay! Happy Birthday to me today!

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 25, 2025 11:52 AM (QGaXH)

182 Lottery tickets. A friend in Erie had a tiny store on the first floor of a busy office building. PA lottery provided a kiosk to fill out tickets, scratch instants, and so on . My friend kept a waste basket under the kiosk and would drag $30 or $40 in winners out of it in a week.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 25, 2025 11:54 AM (gm9Sb)

183 I always found it off that adultery was punishable under the UCMJ. I mean, it was EVERYWHERE in the military.

One of my bosses as a corporate paralegal had been an Army JAG. I asked him about it, and he said that it was just something that was there to get somebody when they couldn't get him on anything else.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 11:54 AM (77rzZ)

184 I once watched a guy in a gas station in north Georgia buy a hundred bucks of scratchies in front of me and start scratching them. I did my transaction, and told him good luck as I was walking out. I had to change a diaper and stuff outside, so I saw him walk out with a big grin. "What did you win," I asked. "Not a damn dollar," says he.

Sometimes it's really not about the money, I guess.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 25, 2025 11:55 AM (BI5O2)

185 For those expressing thanks for my service, I think I speak for many of us here on this smart military blog that it was our honor to serve.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 25, 2025 11:55 AM (y3bZw)

186 Mood lightener: What this woman wants is delusional.

https://is.gd/v991Dl

Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2025 11:55 AM (Riz8t)

187 179 Posted by: Stacy0311 at November 25, 2025 11:52 AM (G1ktt)

Congratulations and thank you for your years of service.

Please pick up your 'stay off my lawn' sign at the front desk.

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 25, 2025 11:55 AM (QGaXH)

188 181 Yay! Happy Birthday to me today!
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 25, 2025 11:52 AM (QGaXH)

Same here! I'm 29+29+... today as well

Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 25, 2025 11:55 AM (0CU3H)

189 What 2 hot wars, Iraq and Afghanistan?

Posted by: anon2020 at November 25, 2025 11:55 AM (RqMDa)

190
They concoct all kinds of Marxist/Demonic organizations, but what if Trump short circuits it and declares himself emperor and the military agrees to support it?
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at November 25, 2025 11:50 AM (a4flb)

Which in fact is what always ends up happening in societies that go through this - England wants to cut down a king, they end up with a Cromwell. France wants a legislature; they end up with a Napoleon. Augustus was actually a pretty good ruler; the problem wasn't Augustus, but the line of authority that replaced him once he was gone.

That's always been the path.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 25, 2025 11:56 AM (uWKK8)

191 The seditious six were coached on how to frame "illegal orders" without jeopardizing themselves. The message was very specific in its language. What was, and wasn't said. It was scripted, obviously.

I'd be looking into who helped script the message for them.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 25, 2025 11:56 AM (NwnyJ)

192 Eugene Vindman
@YVindman

I’m ready to come back on active duty to defend @CaptMarkKelly
as an Army JAG.

I’ve got a pretty good win record…. See you in court.

... has Vindman thought this thru ? The C-in-C might have a score to settle, so come on back.

Posted by: SMOD at November 25, 2025 11:57 AM (RHGPo)

193 Happy Birthday Darrell !!!

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 25, 2025 11:57 AM (QGaXH)

194 Stacy0311...

Well served! Congrats on the retirement.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 25, 2025 11:57 AM (y3bZw)

195 And yes....I'm 29+++ also.

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 25, 2025 11:57 AM (QGaXH)

196 Happy birthday to all who have one today!

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 11:58 AM (77rzZ)

197 The seditious six were coached on how to frame "illegal orders" without jeopardizing themselves. The message was very specific in its language. What was, and wasn't said. It was scripted, obviously.

I'd be looking into who helped script the message for them.

Wordsmithing is not a crime. Nor are the carefully selected words and phrases the seditious 6 used. They stepped up to the line, but did not cross it, IMHO.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2025 11:58 AM (Riz8t)

198 95 I have a loss of faith in the human institutions I “ swim” in. The result is pushing me closer and closer to God and what He ordains.
Posted by: tubal
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Faith in the Lord is what keeps me going, regardless of what the world does.
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy
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Absolutely, positively, without a doubt - Praise the Lord.

But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble on its own." - Matthew 6:33-34 (NIV)

"Then Job replied to the Lord.

I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted. You asked, ‘Who is this that obscures my plans without knowledge?’ Surely I spoke of things I did not understand, things too wonderful for me to know.

“You said, ‘Listen now, and I will speak; I will question you, and you shall answer me.’ My ears had heard of you but now my eyes have seen you.

Therefore I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes." - Job 42: 1-6 (NIV)

Posted by: NALNAMSAM at November 25, 2025 11:58 AM (VkY89)

199 29 Trump could fling some poon and...

Fling some my way!

Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at November 25, 2025 11:59 AM (JCZqz)

200 40 years?
Damn, and thank you.

Posted by: Reforger at November 25, 2025 11:59 AM (03GBw)

201 Therefore I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes.

Pffffft. I despise each and every one of you.

Posted by: That Japanese guy at November 25, 2025 11:59 AM (Riz8t)

202 I saw him walk out with a big grin. "What did you win," I asked. "Not a damn dollar," says he.

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Now, this guy had a plan.

Italian man hides dead mom's body, dresses up as her for three years to collect pension

https://is.gd/Sv8l5p

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Why Do the Heathen Rage? at November 25, 2025 11:59 AM (L/fGl)

203 Has anybody ever done a play/movie of the Book of Job? That could be very cool, if done right.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 12:00 PM (77rzZ)

204 191 The seditious six were coached on how to frame "illegal orders" without jeopardizing themselves. The message was very specific in its language. What was, and wasn't said. It was scripted, obviously.

I'd be looking into who helped script the message for them.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 25, 2025 11:56 AM (NwnyJ)

And did you catch the soft soulful music? They had Hollywood help.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 25, 2025 12:00 PM (y3bZw)

205 I'm a three year Army Vet, Major's Driver in Germany. Decorated capo of the E-4 Mafia. They gave me a clearance (for carrying maps, plans, secure comms, etc.). I would have never given me that clearance. At the time I got it, I was breaking every rule in the book, including living off-base as a single soldier, and everyone knew it, but they rubber-stamped me, I guess. It was a cake job, I loved it.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 25, 2025 12:00 PM (vV6n9)

206 191 The seditious six were coached on how to frame "illegal orders" without jeopardizing themselves. The message was very specific in its language. What was, and wasn't said. It was scripted, obviously.

I'd be looking into who helped script the message for them.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 25, 2025 11:56 AM (NwnyJ)

I would expect Marc Elias was in on it, he's been the master of Dem dirty tricks ever since Clinton was in office. This right here would be the least of some of the things he's pulled off.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 25, 2025 12:01 PM (uWKK8)

207 203 Has anybody ever done a play/movie of the Book of Job? That could be very cool, if done right.
Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 12:00 PM (77rzZ)

Did not Heinlein do something about Job?

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2025 12:01 PM (PCK5/)

208 Now, this guy had a plan.

Italian man hides dead mom's body, dresses up as her for three years to collect pension

You call that a plan? THIS is a plan.

They Said Young Men Lack Ambition, So These Two Planned a Coup

Two Texans planned to form their own mercenary army and take over Haiti. Yes, really.

https://is.gd/dAfNGT

Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2025 12:01 PM (Riz8t)

209 Good rant, Diogenes, Thanks for taking the time to write it up, and thank you for serving!

Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2025 12:01 PM (Ltmlv)

210 Job!!!! The Musical!!!

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2025 12:02 PM (PCK5/)

211 Yay! Happy Birthday to me today!
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK)
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Happy Birthday!

Mine is tomorrow!

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 25, 2025 12:02 PM (22p5n)

212 Mine is tomorrow!
Posted by: SMH

Happy Birthday, SMH!

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 12:03 PM (77rzZ)

213 211 Yay! Happy Birthday to me today!
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK)
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Happy Birthday!

Mine is tomorrow!
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 25, 2025 12:02 PM (22p5n)

A year younger???

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2025 12:03 PM (PCK5/)

214 A year younger???
Posted by: tubal
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lol

57.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 25, 2025 12:03 PM (22p5n)

215
God's response was both an act of judgment (giving them what they wanted, good and hard) and a step toward fulfilling His greater plan, which included the eventual rise of a godly king like David and, in the fullness of time, the eternal reign of Jesus Christ, the true King from the line of Judah.
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 25, 2025 11:41 AM (22p5n)

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Yeah, I guess if God just wanted to hurt them, he would have insisted they adopt a democracy.

Posted by: Oglebay at November 25, 2025 12:04 PM (2ap+5)

216 214 A year younger???
Posted by: tubal
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lol

57.
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 25, 2025 12:03 PM (22p5n)

Well congratulations. You are blessed.

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2025 12:04 PM (PCK5/)

217
You call that a plan? THIS is a plan.

They Said Young Men Lack Ambition, So These Two Planned a Coup

Two Texans planned to form their own mercenary army and take over Haiti. Yes, really.

https://is.gd/dAfNGT
Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2025 12:01 PM (Riz8t)

Seems like a plan made on pot at 4am...I mean, what homeless army would join them vs just killing the 2 morons and taking the boat they purchased.

Not saying they shouldn't be charged and convicted of drug use and spend some time in jail getting clean and getting a wake up call...but the rest...

Posted by: Nova Local at November 25, 2025 12:04 PM (tOcjL)

218 Eugene Vindman
@YVindman
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That's the one. Icky.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 25, 2025 12:04 PM (WiQPM)

219 Job!!!! The Musical!!!
Posted by: tubal

"Behemoth Boogie"
"Leviathan Waltz"

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 12:04 PM (77rzZ)

220 Pffffft. I despise each and every one of you.
Posted by: That Japanese guy at November 25, 2025 11:59 AM (Riz8t)

Toyama Koichi, a great Japanese thinker. Not as incisive or successful as Otoya Yamaguchi, but you should listen to him. He's pre-med.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 25, 2025 12:05 PM (BI5O2)

221 Setting aside, briefly, the specifics:

I am sick and tired of 'If they say it on the House/Senate floor, no consequences' and it sickens me that the Constitution grants them protection from "questioning in other Places" for "Speech and Debate [in the Houses of Congress]".

Either no consequences for anyone anywhere, or the exact same consequences for everyone, everywhere. "No titles of nobility" must include not making Congress into nobility-in-all-but-name. No special privileges for Congress and other gov't types not directly granted in writing by the Constitution, and we need to amend the Constitution to tighten up that clause so that only "Speech and Debate" about _legislation_ counts, as was presumably intended.

Posted by: RandomDave at November 25, 2025 12:05 PM (aJQbY)

222 Wordsmithing is not a crime. Nor are the carefully selected words and phrases the seditious 6 used. They stepped up to the line, but did not cross it, IMHO.
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I'm okay with twelve jurors in Amarillo, Texas deciding whether what they said was intended to be heard as a call for illegally disobeying lawful orders.

Remember when the left change the well-settled requirement of conspiracy for the J6, from the "overt or tacit" agreement to "even a wink or a nod--even if you imply the wink or the nod?"

Yeah. Fuck them.

Instruct the jury they can imply what the speakers intended in order to convict.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 25, 2025 12:05 PM (T3zUV)

223 You call that a plan? THIS is a plan.

They Said Young Men Lack Ambition, So These Two Planned a Coup

Two Texans planned to form their own mercenary army and take over Haiti. Yes, really.

https://is.gd/dAfNGT
Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2025 12:01 PM (Riz8t)

LOL that rates as the weirdest story I have seen in a long time! I can't wait to see the evidence; this reads more like another Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey than an actual plot.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 25, 2025 12:05 PM (uWKK8)

224 203 Has anybody ever done a play/movie of the Book of Job? That could be very cool, if done right.
Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 12:00 PM

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I'm sitting right here.

Posted by: IMDB at November 25, 2025 12:05 PM (wq6Zu)

225 209 Good rant, Diogenes, Thanks for taking the time to write it up, and thank you for serving!
Posted by: Doof at November 25, 2025 12:01 PM (Ltmlv)

Great post and rant! And thank you also for serving Diogenes!

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 25, 2025 12:06 PM (QGaXH)

226 Thanks for this Diogenes.

Unlikely there will be legal action against Kelly. Whole pathetic stunt was structured to remain within the lines that can be practically enforced.

Probably a much better - though still not practically enforceable - case against the many elected public figures at various levels who have incited violence against ICE. Even amidst the decades of decline, this has been a huge ratchet turn in the civic culture collapse.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 25, 2025 12:06 PM (U/Byj)

227 Why would anyone want to take over...Haiti?

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 25, 2025 12:06 PM (22p5n)

228 Thousands of farmers and transportation workers took to the streets throughout Mexico to set up blockades along the main highways in the country as a way to protest the cartel violence and the extortion that they are subjected to. The protests come at a time of mounting pressure for Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum over widespread allegations that, instead of protecting her citizens from organized crime, she and the country’s ruling party, MORENA, have been protecting the various criminal organizations terrorizing the nation.

Posted by: SMOD at November 25, 2025 12:06 PM (RHGPo)

229 Dear Geezer Golfers,

You are not required to follow Diogenes' ill-advised golf tips.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 12:07 PM (77rzZ)

230 Two Texans planned to form their own mercenary army and take over Haiti. Yes, really.

https://is.gd/dAfNGT
Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2025 12:01 PM (Riz8t)

But can they do it using only half a dozen properly oiled up Playboy Playmates?

Posted by: Andy Sidaris at November 25, 2025 12:07 PM (pIfcn)

231 Speaking of birthdays…

So you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it’s sinking
Racing around to come up behind you again
The sun is the same in a relative way but you’re older
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death

Those Pink Floyd guys were such optimists!

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 25, 2025 12:07 PM (/iXAp)

232 Did not Heinlein do something about Job?
Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2025 12:01 PM (PCK5/)
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Yeah, but it was more in name only and satirical than a serious story about Job and his woes.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 25, 2025 12:07 PM (IBQGV)

233 Why would anyone want to take over...Haiti?
Posted by: SMH

Hey, it's run by a guy named Barbecue! Sounds like a fun place!

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 12:08 PM (77rzZ)

234 Why would anyone want to take over...Haiti?

A fair question.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2025 12:08 PM (Riz8t)

235 >>Has anybody ever done a play/movie of the Book of Job? That could be very cool, if done right.
Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 12:00 PM (77rzZ)

Archibald MacLeish (sp?) wrote an updated version called JB that was assigned reading in high school. Don't remember much of it.

Posted by: Frank Cannonball at November 25, 2025 12:08 PM (NcvvS)

236 232 Did not Heinlein do something about Job?
Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2025 12:01 PM (PCK5/)
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Yeah, but it was more in name only and satirical than a serious story about Job and his woes.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 25, 2025 12:07 PM (IBQGV)

Ah, thanks.

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2025 12:08 PM (PCK5/)

237 lol Bulg.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 25, 2025 12:08 PM (22p5n)

238 I thought it was common knowledge that Sheinbaum (along with all Mexican politicians) is employed by the cartels.

It's not an "accusation," it's just Mexico.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 25, 2025 12:08 PM (BI5O2)

239 OT- In a fit of pique someone had thrown out a bunch of lottery tickets which hadn't won on the ground at the convenience store . They also threw out one which they hadn't scraped off. It was worth $2.00. Not much, but it was $ 2.00 more than I had before .
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 25, 2025 11:46 AM (9OpPK)

Take it as a sign to buy a Powerball ticket, Fen.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 25, 2025 12:08 PM (npFr7)

240 Despite the best efforts of the corporate media and some in the Republican Party, President Donald Trump’s approval rating with the GOP not only remains as strong as it ever has (which is really, really strong), but he tops former Presidents Barry Obama and George W. Bush.

.. funny, I just saw a YouTube ad saying Trump’s approval rating is falling

Posted by: SMOD at November 25, 2025 12:09 PM (RHGPo)

241 Two Texans planned to form their own mercenary army and take over Haiti. Yes, really.

https://is.gd/dAfNGT
Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2025 12:01 PM (Riz8t)

A modern day Red Zone Cuba. Too bad Coleman Francis is dead.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at November 25, 2025 12:10 PM (PSEDc)

242 Archibald MacLeish (sp?) wrote an updated version called JB that was assigned reading in high school. Don't remember much of it.
Posted by: Frank Cannonball at November 25, 2025 12:08 PM (NcvvS)
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Whoa. That takes me back. I remember reading that in high school English class! (Junior year, I believe).

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 25, 2025 12:10 PM (IBQGV)

243 205 I'm a three year Army Vet, Major's Driver in Germany. Decorated capo of the E-4 Mafia. They gave me a clearance (for carrying maps, plans, secure comms, etc.). I would have never given me that clearance. At the time I got it, I was breaking every rule in the book, including living off-base as a single soldier, and everyone knew it, but they rubber-stamped me, I guess. It was a cake job, I loved it.
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 25, 2025 12:00 PM (vV6n9)

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You sound like one of my drivers. Oh wait!!! Were you in Augsburg 1989???

Posted by: Diogenes at November 25, 2025 12:10 PM (y3bZw)

244 Diogenes is a twenty year Army veteran and Military Intelligence Officer with an additional 20 years working in the Intelligence Community as a contractor and consultant. And he yells at kids to keep off his yard.]

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Diogenes of Sinope, wandering the streets of ancient Athens in broad daylight, holding a lantern, saying - "I am looking for an honest man."

He never found one.

Yep, it all fits.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 25, 2025 12:11 PM (cYBz/)

245 You call that a plan? THIS is a plan.

They Said Young Men Lack Ambition, So These Two Planned a Coup

Two Texans planned to form their own mercenary army and take over Haiti. Yes, really.

https://is.gd/dAfNGT
Posted by: Archimedes at November 25, 2025 12:01 PM (Riz8t)

LOL that rates as the weirdest story I have seen in a long time! I can't wait to see the evidence; this reads more like another Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey than an actual plot.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 25, 2025 12:05 PM (uWKK

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I'll bet any amount of money a lot of drugs were involved. And if you look at the pics of these retards, you will doubt they like girls.

Btw, what USA laws did they break? Interfering with the MIC grift in Haiti?

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 25, 2025 12:11 PM (iFTx/)

246 The problem with invading and conquering Haiti is then you'd have Haiti.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Why Do the Heathen Rage? at November 25, 2025 12:11 PM (L/fGl)

247 sock off, dammit.

Posted by: Nazdar at November 25, 2025 12:12 PM (NcvvS)

248 57.
Posted by: SMH

I've only got three years on you, so I can't really tell you to get off my lawn.

Maybe just stop looking at my front porch?

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 12:12 PM (77rzZ)

249 >>... has Vindman thought this thru ? The C-in-C might have a score to settle, so come on back.

Both Vindman's are already under investigation for acting as foreign agents for Ukraine.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 25, 2025 12:12 PM (viF8m)

250 My preacher dad tells me he believes Job is one of the earliest books of the Bible… no reference to the law of Moses in the book so before him… very early on.

One lesson I take from that book; even at the end God does not explain himself to Job. We don’t deserve answers (or anything) from God. He’s God and we’re…. Not

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 25, 2025 12:12 PM (/iXAp)

251 Dear Geezer Golfers,

You are not required to follow Diogenes' ill-advised golf tips.
Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 12:07 PM
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I think they let me play in the group just as an example of what not to do.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 25, 2025 12:12 PM (y3bZw)

252 Haha Bulg.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 25, 2025 12:12 PM (22p5n)

253 VOTE VANCE!

Posted by: Sid at November 25, 2025 12:13 PM (4xPfI)

254 No, Diogenes, I was in Baumholder 1991-94, just missed you.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 25, 2025 12:13 PM (vV6n9)

255 227 Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 25, 2025 12:06 PM (22p5n)

The issues with Haiti are largely Haitians.

There is a certain level of geographical wealth potential, tourism desirability, and strategic value in location that with a better population would make it a better place.

The concept they are being attacked for was called "filibustering."

Posted by: sven at November 25, 2025 12:13 PM (MUJd1)

256 One lesson I take from that book; even at the end God does not explain himself to Job. We don’t deserve answers (or anything) from God. He’s God and we’re…. Not
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I find this very comforting.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 25, 2025 12:13 PM (22p5n)

257 No, Diogenes, I was in Baumholder 1991-94, just missed you.
Posted by: Lincolntf

I've been a Bumholder my entire life!!
-- Buttigig

Posted by: Tonypete at November 25, 2025 12:14 PM (cYBz/)

258 250 Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 25, 2025 12:12 PM (/iXAp)

Not preaching, or inflicting my beliefs on anyone.

God is a scientist engaged in a study of the impact of free will in a reasonably sapient population.

Posted by: sven at November 25, 2025 12:14 PM (MUJd1)

259 >>Whoa. That takes me back. I remember reading that in high school English class! (Junior year, I believe).
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 25, 2025 12:10 PM (IBQGV)

Think it was freshman year, here, and of all my high school teachers (a colourful lot), she was in the top two for 'most eccentric': she wore bedroom slippers to school once.

Posted by: Nazdar at November 25, 2025 12:15 PM (NcvvS)

260 Hey sven!

Considering that a sizable portion of the population is already here, shouldn't be too much of an issue to move the rest to say, California, and make Haiti a territory of the Horde.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 25, 2025 12:15 PM (22p5n)

261 One lesson I take from that book; even at the end God does not explain himself to Job.

"Hey, it was just a bet between me and Satan. And I won!"

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 12:15 PM (77rzZ)

262 The issues with Haiti are largely Haitians.

There is a certain level of geographical wealth potential, tourism desirability, and strategic value in location that with a better population would make it a better place.
Posted by: sven

See also: The Gaza strip

Posted by: Tonypete at November 25, 2025 12:15 PM (cYBz/)

263 Diogenes of Sinope, wandering the streets of ancient Athens in broad daylight, holding a lantern, saying - "I am looking for an honest man."

He never found one.

Yep, it all fits.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 25, 2025 12:11 PM (cYBz/)

I was stationed in Sinop for a year, hence the name.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 25, 2025 12:16 PM (y3bZw)

264 "...impact of free will in a reasonably sapient population."

And boobs.

Posted by: Don't forget boobs at November 25, 2025 12:16 PM (wq6Zu)

265 Thanks to everyone who served, and happy birthday to all celebrating a birthday yesterday, today or tomorrow.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 25, 2025 12:16 PM (XiPmc)

266 Diogenes, did you ever cross paths with Pete Buttigieg?

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 12:16 PM (77rzZ)

267 Thanks Fen : )

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 25, 2025 12:17 PM (22p5n)

268 256 Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 25, 2025 12:13 PM (22p5n)

Yup, the systemic indifference properly understood is to a degree empowering. Part of why I get VERY nervous around believers of any faith that act as though they are engaged in contract negotiations with a force that created the universe. My mother-in-law's Church back in the early 90s had a preacher who invoked "Lord you promised(with the imputation that this was a demand for services" us in the covenants" like it was an HOA.

Yeah no thanks, I am humbled before Him not across a table from Him.

Posted by: sven at November 25, 2025 12:17 PM (MUJd1)

269 AWFL Aftyn as you've never seen her before!

https://is.gd/LHQgpO

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Why Do the Heathen Rage? at November 25, 2025 12:17 PM (L/fGl)

270 One lesson I take from that book; even at the end God does not explain himself to Job.

"Hey, it was just a bet between me and Satan. And I won!"
Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 12:15 PM (77rzZ)

Do you suppose that’s where the plot of the movie Trading Places came from? How much was the bet? A dollar 😂

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 25, 2025 12:18 PM (/iXAp)

271 Willian Newsom: (father of Gavin)

In 1968, he ran unsuccessfully against California State Senator Milton Marks, a popular Republican. Newsom was also corporate counsel and a board member for Trans-International Computer Investment Corporation (TCI), which handled classified government contracts, for which Newsom was issued a National Security Clearance. TCI went bankrupt in 1971 after what the Sacramento District Attorney called "the biggest stock fraud in California history". For most of 1969 and 1970, Newsom traveled across Europe alongside former SS security service member Otto von Bolschwing (specialized in the expropriation of Jewish property) who had been brought to the U.S. by the CIA under Operation Paperclip and appointed TCI's president by Getty due to his former Nazi intelligence connections and their value in obtaining defense technology contracts. Newsom referred to von Bolschwing as "suave", "plausible", and "world weary" (he was forced to surrender his American citizenship in 1981).

Posted by: SMOD at November 25, 2025 12:18 PM (RHGPo)

272 262 Posted by: Tonypete at November 25, 2025 12:15 PM (cYBz/)

Increasingly our cities here as well, the wealth of inert dirt can be increased on the margins by a good populace but the Emerald City in all its innate majesty can be made fallow by a bad one.

Always been that way.

Posted by: sven at November 25, 2025 12:18 PM (MUJd1)

273 268 The only case if someone haggling with God, IIRC, was Abraham about Sodom.

But, then, he was Abraham.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 12:19 PM (77rzZ)

274 227 Why would anyone want to take over...Haiti?
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Dirt Cookies.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 25, 2025 12:19 PM (Wg6v7)

275 The Seditious 6 tape is to show the world that Trump is powerless and to warn active duty personnel that there will be reviews of their actions after Trump leaves.
The left will not let Trump go quietly in to obscurity.

Posted by: Accomack at November 25, 2025 12:20 PM (nLdZ2)

276 I forget wich of the two main Sinaloa factions Sheinbaum works for. I think it's the Mayiza, but it doesn't particularly matter. The other one is certainly ginning up the political dissent, and she's lucky they haven't showed up with armored tacticals and machine guns. Yet.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 25, 2025 12:20 PM (BI5O2)

277 U nas yest' NOOD.

Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 12:21 PM (77rzZ)

278 WFL Aftyn as you've never seen her before!

https://is.gd/LHQgpO
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Why Do the Heathen Rage? at November 25, 2025 12:17 PM (L/fGl)

Cops should have used their night sticks. Liberally.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 25, 2025 12:22 PM (npFr7)

279
Bif was a warhead custodian, assigned with 17 other Army soldiers to a NATO German airforce nike hercules battery. He made the rank of sp5, and was selected to become a custodial warrant officer. Instead, the Army re-treaded Bif in the Patriot system, where he spent the next three years getting BOHICAed. If you watched cnn (i know), and scud/patriot engagements for Riyahd during the gulf war, you saw Bif in action. Bif exemplifies the the cw4 warrant officer attitude and unwillingness to play fair, but drew that skill down to the cw2 rank with a blatant fu to his chain of command from the bowling alley prior to resigning fro. The Army and doubling his salary in The MIC.

Posted by: BifBewalski - at November 25, 2025 12:22 PM (QVmho)

280 I'm all for taking out the corrupt, but I'm not holding breath.

Example: The Clintons.

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at November 25, 2025 12:23 PM (WFC1M)

281 Diogenes, did you ever cross paths with Pete Buttigieg?
Posted by: Bulg at November 25, 2025 12:16 PM (77rzZ)

No.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 25, 2025 12:24 PM (y3bZw)

282 Thanks Diogenesis

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at November 25, 2025 12:29 PM (xcxpd)

283 Diogenes*

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