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aceofspadeshq at gee mail.com CBD: cbd at cutjibnewsletter.com Buck: buck.throckmorton at protonmail.com joe mannix: mannix2024 at proton.me MisHum: petmorons at gee mail.com J.J. Sefton: sefton at cutjibnewsletter.com | Saturday Evening Movie Thread - 11/22/2025Alexander Mackendrick ![]() No, you probably don't know Alexander Mackenrick's name, but I assure you that you know at least one of his movies, the original The Ladykillers. And behind that layer of anonymity lies one of the most technically accomplished and intelligent directors to come out of the WWII era of British filmmaking. Only separated by seven years for his first feature compared with David Lean (Lean's first was in 1942, Mackendrick's was in 1949), Mackendrick actually started directing cinema commercials in the late 30s for a marketing firm before being hired by the Ministry of Information to make propaganda films through the duration of the war. I bring up Lean because the two men had very obviously similar views on the role of the film director. Rising up through the industry as a screenwriter and production designer (Lean's rise was through the role of editor), Mackendrick saw the film director's job as requiring intimate understanding of every aspect of a production. A film director should be able to essentially do any job on a film set at the same level as any craftsman given the more minor tasks could. He should be screenwriter, production designer, set dresser, cinematographer, and actor all in one, able to understand the craft of everyone involved in order to appropriately assemble the vision at the center of the film. A film director is both artist and craftsman, and that overall ethos was something he shared with Lean. It must have been something in the water in Britain in the 40s. What really differentiates Mackendrick from Lean is twofold. The first is that Mackendrick's feature film directing career started at Ealing Studios, the small production company mostly known for comedies (one of his early films there, Mandy, is an outright drama, though), and the second reason is that Mackendrick...gave up on making movies. After the 1967 bomb Don't Make Waves, which is mostly notable for being Sharon Tate's feature film debut, Mackendrick decided that he didn't have the skillset necessary to schmooze producers for film jobs, so he retired from filmmaking and became the first dean of the film school at CalArts, stepping down after a decade and teaching for the rest of his professional life. His most prominent student would probably end up being James Mangold, director of Ford v. Ferrari, Logan, and A Complete Unknown. So, why would someone like Mackendrick give up on filmmaking to just teach? Ealing Studios ![]() Mackendrick got his first directing job through several years of working as a screenwriter at Ealing. Whisky Galore! was supposed to be directed by Ronold Neame, but he turned the assignment down, opening it up to those who wanted their shot at the directing job. Mackendrick showed up on location (an unusual setup for an Ealing film, necessary in this instance because all of their studio space was being used up), threw out the script completely, and worked with his pair of writers to come up with something new, using the same basic bones as the original script. It was a success, a sort of based on real life tale of a small island community, cut off from all booze during rationing in the middle of the war, suddenly being granted great bounty in the form of a cargo ship crashing just off shore, full of whisky. And Mackendrick's time at Ealing was largely managing these kinds of productions to different degrees of success. The Man in the White Suit and The Ladykillers both feature very different performances from Alec Guinness in his prime (the second film is an inspired Alistair Sim impression), but the common hand across all of these accomplished films, which include the lesser but entertaining works of Mandy, the story of a deaf girl, and The Maggie, a farce with a more serious minded ending about a cargo ship not up for the task it gets, is Mackendrick's. They're all well-made, with strong scripts, and show a young director with a strong eye, a hand for comedy, good relationships with actors, and command of narrative. And then, he went to America. Hecht-Hill-Lancaster ![]() One of the most important independent producing partnerships in the 50s, the final years of the studio era, was the company formed by Harold Hecht, James Hill, and Burt Lancaster, and they snatched up the promising young director from Scotland (actually, Mackendrick was born in Boston, just raised on Glasgow) to direct the adaptation of Ernest Lehman's novelette Tell Me About It Tomorrow!. Lehman was hired originally as the screenwriter, but had to leave the production with about a month left in pre-production. HHL hired Clifford Odets to do the final rewrites, which everyone assumed would be a quick job, but encouraged by Mackendrick, the rewrite process went all the way through the entire production. And that's indicative of a major problem Mackendrick had when it came to his production approach. He wanted to take his time. Time always equals money, and when you spend $1 million on the production of Sweet Smell of Success, a major investment for an independent production company, and that film actually loses $400,000 upon its original release, it's going to cause friction with those producers. Which it did. When I do these surveys of a filmmaker's work, I tend to avoid biography as I go through the films. I want to figure out the films, and I don't usually care that much about the people themselves. However, there's a six year gap between Sweet Smell of Success and his next film, Sammy Going South, and it's important. HHL wasn't done with Mackendrick after the financial disappointment of Sweet Smell of Success. They had little but good things to say about the exacting filmmaker, and they greenlit his next film, The Devil's Disciple, a project that originally attracted Mackendrick to work with HHL. However, HHL fired Mackendrick from the adaptation of the George Bernard Shaw play (replaced with Guy Hamilton) after a month of production. That's a setback, but it wasn't the only one. He was also the original director of The Guns of Navarone, but was fired a week before production started in 1960. He spent the next three years in the wilderness until one of the original producers from Ealing, Hal Mason, hired him to direct an adaptation of the W.H. Canaway novel, Sammy Going South, a story about a ten year old boy walking from the Suez Canal to South Africa after his parents are killed in a bomb attack. I genuinely think this movie is really good, but it also represented a setback for Mackendrick. The American distributors recut and cut down the film so much, taking out so much of the running time that they had to commission a new score to fit the film while retitling it A Boy Ten Feet Tall (I'll be honest, I prefer the American title). If I were Mackendrick, I'd be exhausted and frustrated at this point. Final Films ![]() Mackendrick didn't quite give up after Sammy Going South. He made two more films. The first, A High Wind in Jamaica has many elements that make it look like, on the surface, a live-action Disney film from the era. Six kids in the late 19th century get kidnapped by pirates and must warm their icy hearts. Except, Mackendrick, working from the novel by Richard Hughes, goes darker with more child danger than the implied genre connection would indicate. The film is pretty good with a near-manic performance by Anthony Quinn and a noteworthy early performance from James Coburn. However, you can just feel that he's lost with his final film, Don't Make Waves, an anti-beach party movie that reunited him with his Sweet Smell of Success star Tony Curtis. Curtis plays a man who arrives in California with nothing, gets wooed by two women (one of whom is Claudia Cardinale) while lusting after a third (the aforementioned Sharon Tate). It's supposed to be a comedy, but it's weirdly...not funny from the guy who made The Ladykillers, and it ends with a big special effects sequence where the underlying dramatic point is that the materialistic beach life is empty and without meaning. I mean...no wonder it didn't make much money at the box office and people haven't rushed to defend it over the years. And the reality of the production, which Tate called not particularly pleasurable, was enough to just get Mackendrick to stop making films altogether. Themes All this is fine and good, but did he actually, you know, inject something personal into his films? Did he just make generic entertainments that anyone could have made with his skill, or did he have some unique perspective that seeped into everything? It's the latter. He was a filmmaker who, in his own small way, pulled productions towards his own thematic concerns. And that really centers on the ideas of corruption of authority contrasted with portraits of innocence with really interesting variations. The first is his first film, Whisky Galore! where he's on record as actually feeling more akin to the antagonist of the film, the very Scottish authority figure out to ruin everyone's fun by getting them to turn over the whisky they took from a shipwreck. In The Ladykillers, the innocent Mrs. Wilberforce gets to face the group of thieves taking up temporary residence in her house. In The Maggie, the powerful magnate who tries to buy everyone ends up learning the value of a smaller existence through the pratfalls of the boating crew he accidentally hires. He's one of those filmmakers that doesn't have a very distinct visual flair (he filmed very handsomely and very classically), but actually did bend films to what he wanted to say. The problem is that he just...stopped making movies, so his body of work is so small and so much is in comedy, which no one really takes seriously, so he never really had the time to develop the ideas and people are dismissive of his comedies as just comedies not worthy of actual serious consideration. In Retrospect ![]() I know enough about the filmmaking process to understand that the management of a filmset is difficult and draining. That it takes, often, 16-hour days to manage departments, film scenes, deal with actors and problems on set, and that's after you've secured funding to get everyone in place. The schmoozing with studio heads, producers, and independent money sources just to get that set together in the first place is a whole other set of skills. A modern example to point to would be Terry Gilliam who spends years between productions, traveling around Europe begging for people for money. And that's simply a different skillset. And a guy who runs off to academia in order to not deal with it obviously doesn't want to exercise that skillset. To bring in another modern example, I think of Peter Weir, the Australian filmmaker who simply gave up filmmaker a few years after the release of his final movie, The Way Back, when he grew tired of dealing with producers and actors who demanded things from him (Ethan Hawke knows the particular actor that ticked off Weir, but he's not sayin' who). So, Mackendrick retreated to a safe space where he could think about the craft, help people with their own craft, and still affect things for decades more. Don't Make Waves was released in 1967, and he kept teaching at CalArts until his death in 1991 of emphysema. It's easy to sit on the sidelines, decades after his death, never having dealt with his professional troubles myself, and demand that he pick himself up, rub some dirt on it, and go back to entertaining me. So, I'm not going to shake my fist at a dead man. Instead, I will thank him. His was a consummate craftsman who understood moviemaking at a level that I never will. If he had made 10-20 more films, he'd be much more widely recognized as a master of the form, but his limited output also limits his appeal to a certain degree. He doesn't have the visual distinctiveness of a Stanley Kubrick to get him over that hump, either. Plus, you know, most of his well-known films are comedies, and no one respects that. But I do. Mackendrick was a master at the form, and he should be celebrated more. Movies of Today Opening in Theaters: Wicked For Good Movies I Saw This Fortnight: Wisky Galore! (Rating 3/4) Full Review "It's a solid directorial debut. [Library] The Man in the White Suit (Rating 4/4) Review "Mackendrick had a writing credit on this, and he shepherded a completely new script once on location on the former film, so it's safe to say that he's putting himself into these films, and I'm seeing the beginnings of something...interesting. And surprisingly dark considering the comic nature of his first two films." [Library] Mandy (Rating 3/4) Full Review "Handsome, well-acted, and really surprisingly involving, Mandy is very much worthwhile." [Library] The Maggie (Rating 3/4) Full Review "This is not some grand piece of cinema, but it's a nice bit of populist cinema that is worthy of discovery." [Amazon Prime] The Ladykillers (Rating 4/4) Full Review "It's a treasure, a gem of British comedy. It might be Mackendrick's best film, but I've seen so little of what comes that it's just hard to imagine him topping this." [Personal Collection] Sweet Smell of Success (Rating 3/4) Full Review "And Mackendrick manages everything with real skill and intelligence, creating this propulsive narrative dripping with tension without losing sight of humanity at the same time. It's a real triumph of filmmaking. [Personal Collection] Sammy Going South (Rating 3.5/4) Full Review "IThat the American version (retitled A Boy Ten Feet Tall, a title actually much prefer) cut out a bunch doesn't really surprise me, but I don't think I'd want to cut much. This is very good as it is." [Youtube] High Wind in Jamaica (Rating 3/4) Full Review "II do think a two-hour and ten-minute long version of this would probably work better than the one-hour and forty-minute version, but the abbreviated cut we have is a solid little entertainment that demonstrates Mackendrick's skill." [Youtube] Contact Email any suggestions or questions to thejamesmadison.aos at symbol gmail dot com. I've also archived all the old posts here, by request. I'll add new posts a week after they originally post at the HQ. My next post will be on 12/13, and it will be about something. Not sure yet. Also, please, please check out my new videos: Top Ten of All Time Howard Hawks Howard Hawks, The Definitive Ranking Yasujiro Ozu Comments(Jump to bottom of comments)1
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Posted by: Skip at November 22, 2025 07:45 PM (+qU29) 2
Howdy!
Posted by: Moonbeam at November 22, 2025 07:45 PM (rbKZ6) 3
Congrats, Skip!
Posted by: Moonbeam at November 22, 2025 07:46 PM (rbKZ6) 4
Before getting to content, TJM really enjoying your videos, but have to say my favorite Japanese movies have Samurai
Posted by: Skip at November 22, 2025 07:47 PM (+qU29) 5
Alexander Mackendrick is at a dead man's party now?
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 22, 2025 07:52 PM (vwL3N) 6
Do I get credit for participating on the Saturday Evening Movie Thread if I'm reading a novelization of a movie?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 22, 2025 07:53 PM (IBQGV) 7
Finally saw Nobody 2. It's fun. Now I want Nobody 3.
Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at November 22, 2025 07:54 PM (cxFcK) 8
My son is excited about the Stargate reboot, I'm apprehensive. Anyway, we were swapping casting ideas. His:
Wes Chatham (Amos from the expanse); Team leader Alan Tudyk Voices an alien (Wash from firefly) DJ Qualls; science nerd Tracy Spiridakos; mandatory eye candy Mine: Team Leader: Wes Chatham is a great choice. I would consider Kyle Soller if he were unavailable. Alien/Teal'c equivalent: Vidyut Jammwal. Going for an alien that's more brains than muscle, but still exotic. Zack Gilford; nerd, Daniel Jackson equivalent. Kyle Soller would also work, especially paired with Wes Chatham as the new team lead. Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 22, 2025 07:55 PM (vKEG1) 9
I loved the original Ladykillers! A delightful little film, I found it when I got into watching all of Alec Guiness’s early movies - they are quite delightful.
Didn’t really like Man in the White Suit because it just was infused with too much Socialist boilerplate to be enjoyable. Posted by: Tom Servo at November 22, 2025 07:56 PM (/ZNPI) 10
Only MacKendrick I know for sure I've seen is Sweet Smell of Success, which I liked a lot. I may have caught High Wind in Jamaica when it first hit the theaters, but that's so long ago (and as a kid I probably expected more of a pirate adventure flick so it went right by me) that I can't remember diddly-squat about it.
Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 22, 2025 07:57 PM (q3u5l) 11
Novelization of a movie as in movie is out before the book?
Posted by: Skip at November 22, 2025 07:57 PM (+qU29) 12
Novelization of a movie as in movie is out before the book?
Posted by: Skip at November 22, 2025 07:57 PM (+qU29) --- Yes. See tomorrow's Sunday Morning Book Thread for details... Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 22, 2025 07:58 PM (IBQGV) 13
Sweet Smell of Success Is a very good movie. Seen it several times.
Posted by: Tuna at November 22, 2025 07:58 PM (lJ0H4) 14
Based on your ratings you seem to really like Mackendrick.
Posted by: the way I see it at November 22, 2025 07:59 PM (KDPiq) 15
My son is excited about the Stargate reboot, I'm apprehensive. Anyway, we were swapping casting ideas. His:
[ . . . ] Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 22, 2025 07:55 PM (vKEG1) Nathan Fillion as Shephard Book Posted by: Kindltot at November 22, 2025 07:59 PM (rbvCR) 16
As soon as I saw "Mackendrick", I thought "Wasn't he the director of "The Man in the White Suit"? And yes, he was.
Love that film, like I love "Ninotchka". The TUC went nuts after Clement Atlee took the reins, and this film's take on the assault on British innovation and RandD is sublime and very funny. Posted by: mrp at November 22, 2025 07:59 PM (rj6Yv) 17
I think o'neil was the key to the project
Who has the charm and wit of richard dean anderson Not cheatham then again who though anderson would replace russell Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 22, 2025 07:59 PM (bXbFr) 18
Novelization of a movie as in movie is out before the book?
Posted by: Skip at November 22, 2025 07:57 PM (+qU29) --- Yes. See tomorrow's Sunday Morning Book Thread for details... Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 22, 2025 07:58 PM (IBQGV) In the Mouth of Madness is one of those. Posted by: the way I see it at November 22, 2025 08:00 PM (KDPiq) 19
Nathan Fillion as Shephard Book
Posted by: Kindltot at November 22, 2025 07:59 PM (rbvCR) Brain fart. abort/retry/fail Posted by: Kindltot at November 22, 2025 08:00 PM (rbvCR) 20
Tudyk is eccentric but enough to be the alien wdll possibly
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 22, 2025 08:00 PM (bXbFr) 21
The Ladykillers: Alec Guiness, Herbert Lom, Peter Sellers. How can you go wrong? Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 22, 2025 08:01 PM (tgvbd) 22
Sammy goes South looks to be on YouTube whole
Kind of a Walkabout without Jenny Agutter and not in Australia Posted by: Skip at November 22, 2025 08:01 PM (+qU29) 23
My son is excited about the Stargate reboot, I'm apprehensive. Anyway, we were swapping casting ideas. His:
[ . . . ] Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 22, 2025 07:55 PM (vKEG1) My theory is Stargate is just a retelling of John Carter of Mars. At least the movies. Posted by: the way I see it at November 22, 2025 08:02 PM (KDPiq) 24
Oh gosh...fixed everything on my phone. Not fun.
Posted by: TJM's phone at November 22, 2025 08:02 PM (85lPH) 25
Thx TJM. The only Mackendrick movie I knew was The Man in the White Suit ( @16 above) . Great movie. I'll have to look at the others
Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 22, 2025 08:03 PM (bfwj/) 26
None of the IMDB link go to the right movie.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 22, 2025 08:03 PM (syz1S) 27
26 None of the IMDB link go to the right movie.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 22, 2025 08:03 PM (syz1S ==== Try again. Posted by: TJM's phone at November 22, 2025 08:03 PM (85lPH) 28
Thanks to the moron(s) who recommended “In Harm’s Way” (1965). I liked it, and now I’ve got the book too. Kanopy streaming has a good print in original aspect ratio. Recommended. (I was going to make a joke about Brandon De Wilde wailing “I hate you, Wayne! I hate you!” but instead I prudently have chosen to mention free-spirited actress Jill Haworth in her sopping wet see-through undies.)
“Hazard” (2024) A little movie, a drama about opioids in Appalachia. Worth a watch. youtube.com/watch?v=4WQX8nwYjsI “The Housing Bubble” (201 https://tinyurl.com/4ecfbz8y Posted by: gp at November 22, 2025 08:04 PM (4kcNT) 29
Stargate Universe, Sgt McJuggs. Bring her back!
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 22, 2025 08:05 PM (/ZNPI) 30
I think a "White Suit" review on YT by a distinguished film critic would be welcomed.
Posted by: mrp at November 22, 2025 08:06 PM (rj6Yv) 31
I could see emmerich borrowed from john carter
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 22, 2025 08:06 PM (bXbFr) 32
I saw The Running Man remake with Glen Powell last weekend.
It sucked. Forget the fact that it's left-wing social messaging from beginning to end; it couldn't decide if it was supposed to be mainly comedy or mainly drama, and a lot of the characters do really dumb things over and over again. Hard pass. Posted by: Dr. T at November 22, 2025 08:06 PM (lHPJf) 33
The Man in the White Suit is free on Plex.
Posted by: the way I see it at November 22, 2025 08:07 PM (KDPiq) 34
What's Plex?
Posted by: mrp at November 22, 2025 08:07 PM (rj6Yv) 35
As said downstairs, Las Vegas Grand Prix is on at 11pm so going to nap a bit and maybe get up for it.
Have a good night everyone Posted by: Skip at November 22, 2025 08:07 PM (+qU29) 36
I liked the first Running Man. Pure schlocky fun.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 22, 2025 08:07 PM (/ZNPI) Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 22, 2025 08:08 PM (syz1S) 38
34 What's Plex?
Posted by: mrp at November 22, 2025 08:07 PM (rj6Yv) ==== Ad supported app/website and streaming option. Posted by: TJM's phone at November 22, 2025 08:08 PM (85lPH) Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 22, 2025 08:08 PM (bXbFr) 40
37 Try again.
Posted by: TJM's phone at November 22, 2025 08:03 PM (85lPH) You tricked me! Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 22, 2025 08:08 PM (syz1S) === I had to rebuild the section on my phone. Just now. Headaches. Posted by: TJM's phone at November 22, 2025 08:08 PM (85lPH) 41
In 1870, a Jamaican colonial family sends its children to Britain for proper schooling but their ship is taken over by pirates who become fond of the kids.
Well, that sounds disturbing. Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 22, 2025 08:09 PM (syz1S) 42
A film director should be able to essentially do any job on a film set at the same level as any craftsman given the more minor tasks could. He should be screenwriter, production designer, set dresser, cinematographer, and actor all in one, able to understand the craft of everyone involved in order to appropriately assemble the vision at the center of the film.
Is this not the definition of auteur? Russ Meyer is, arguably, the last American auteur. Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 22, 2025 08:11 PM (0sNs1) Posted by: mrp at November 22, 2025 08:11 PM (rj6Yv) 44
'Well, that sounds disturbing.'
I know! When I hear 'proper schooling,' I can't help but shudder. Posted by: gp at November 22, 2025 08:12 PM (4kcNT) 45
I noted in the credits emmerich actually hired an expert in ancient egyptian dialects to be authentic
Something the series didnt do Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 22, 2025 08:12 PM (bXbFr) 46
He should be screenwriter, production designer, set dresser, cinematographer, and actor all in one, able to understand the craft of everyone involved in order to appropriately assemble the vision at the center of the film.
--------- His middle name, Elon? Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 22, 2025 08:13 PM (LEuDt) 47
42 Is this not the definition of auteur?
Russ Meyer is, arguably, the last American auteur. Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 22, 2025 08:11 PM (0sNs1) ==== I believe the definition of auteur is "director I really like". Posted by: TJM's phone at November 22, 2025 08:13 PM (85lPH) 48
Learn important skills but still ew
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 22, 2025 08:13 PM (bXbFr) 49
I wasn't able to follow all of these, he's harder to find. But I owned a few. The Sweet Smell of Success is a legit masterpiece. I wish all his work was at that level but...nobody is that good, not even Hitchcock. Everyone makes duds.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 22, 2025 08:13 PM (xcxpd) 50
I've never seen it but I've always heard that Sweet Smell of Success is a very good movie. I'm surprised to see it bombed.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Why Do the Heathen Rage? at November 22, 2025 08:13 PM (L/fGl) 51
I had to rebuild the section on my phone. Just now. Headaches.
Posted by: TJM's phone at November 22, 2025 08:08 PM (85lPH) --- Knowing the blog interface as I do, I feel your pain. Not at all fun. Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 22, 2025 08:14 PM (IBQGV) 52
38 34 What's Plex?
Posted by: mrp at November 22, 2025 08:07 PM (rj6Yv) ==== Ad supported app/website and streaming option. Posted by: TJM's phone at November 22, 2025 08:08 PM (85lPH) ++++ That's one way to use it. The way I use it is I have ripped all my movies and TV shows to a server. The Plex software catalogues it and organizes it for you. Also keeps track of what you have watched and what you haven't. So if you are watching a TV series, it will remember where you are so you don't have to remember that the last episode you watched was season 4, episode 6. Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 22, 2025 08:14 PM (syz1S) 53
And I couldn't settle on my Dr Carter/eye candy scientist lady. Considered Jenna Ortega
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 22, 2025 08:14 PM (vKEG1) 54
Running man could not be adapted properly and this iteration shows why
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 22, 2025 08:14 PM (bXbFr) 55
I believe the definition of auteur is "director I really like".
Posted by: TJM's phone at November 22, 2025 08:13 PM So Ridley is your auteur? Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 22, 2025 08:14 PM (0sNs1) 56
55 I believe the definition of auteur is "director I really like".
Posted by: TJM's phone at November 22, 2025 08:13 PM So Ridley is your auteur? Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 22, 2025 08:14 PM (0sNs1) === I really like a number of directors. Posted by: TJM's phone at November 22, 2025 08:15 PM (85lPH) 57
I didn't realize the Mackendrick did The Sweet Smell of Success. Another great movie
Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 22, 2025 08:16 PM (bfwj/) 58
I will add on to say, from what I've read...and did do some reading on MacKendrick, he understood filmmaking as an art, but not as a business. He didn't understand or care to understand how to give a return on investment, how to woo and nurture talent, how to make producers happy. It's that last one that was the killer, if you don't have a good relationship with producers and financers, you will need to be independently rich. There are very few Mel Gibons in the world.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 22, 2025 08:18 PM (xcxpd) 59
53 And I couldn't settle on my Dr Carter/eye candy scientist lady. Considered Jenna Ortega
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 22, 2025 08:14 PM (vKEG1) Selma Hayek in her prime is always the answer. Posted by: Tom Servo at November 22, 2025 08:18 PM (/ZNPI) 60
41 In 1870, a Jamaican colonial family sends its children to Britain for proper schooling but their ship is taken over by pirates who become fond of the kids.
Well, that sounds disturbing. Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 22, 2025 08:09 PM (syz1S) I would be IRL, this is basically an off-brand Disney Adventure. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 22, 2025 08:20 PM (xcxpd) 61
Actually, modern day Disney WOULD be disturbing...the pirates might be safer.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 22, 2025 08:21 PM (xcxpd) 62
"The Sweet Smell of Success" (1957) Added to my list, thanks!
https://tinyurl.com/y6t6abja Posted by: gp at November 22, 2025 08:21 PM (4kcNT) 63
9 I loved the original Ladykillers! A delightful little film, I found it when I got into watching all of Alec Guiness’s early movies - they are quite delightful.
Didn’t really like Man in the White Suit because it just was infused with too much Socialist boilerplate to be enjoyable. Posted by: Tom Servo at November 22, 2025 07:56 PM (/ZNPI) Yeah, I bounced off it too. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 22, 2025 08:22 PM (xcxpd) 64
Stanley Kubrick has the least rewatchable filmography of any of the supposed great directors.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 22, 2025 08:22 PM (XV/Pl) 65
So I watched both the Wreck-it Ralf movies. The first one is better than the sequel but they were both ... err ... cute. The glitch girl is too ... something.
Posted by: toby928(c) at November 22, 2025 08:22 PM (jc0TO) 66
Something the series didnt do
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at November 22, 2025 08:12 PM (bXbFr) They did hire a physicist Posted by: Kindltot at November 22, 2025 08:25 PM (rbvCR) 67
Before getting to content, TJM really enjoying your videos, but have to say my favorite Japanese movies have Samurai
Posted by: Skip This 2 minute video purports to identify Tarantino's 20 favorite movies, many of which I'd not only not seen but never heard of. Lots of Samurais, though. https://is.gd/qc4j48 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Why Do the Heathen Rage? at November 22, 2025 08:26 PM (L/fGl) 68
Selma Hayek in her prime is always the answer
------------------------------- Marie Avgeropoulos 10 years ago is good for partial credit. Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 22, 2025 08:27 PM (vKEG1) 69
58 I will add on to say, from what I've read...and did do some reading on MacKendrick, he understood filmmaking as an art, but not as a business. He didn't understand or care to understand how to give a return on investment, how to woo and nurture talent, how to make producers happy.”
That was the key to Roger Corman’s success, as we discussed a while back here. He could churn out drive in movies, but he absolutely knew how to make sure that everyone involved showed a very nice profit. Posted by: Tom Servo at November 22, 2025 08:27 PM (/ZNPI) 70
Stanley Kubrick has the least rewatchable filmography of any of the supposed great directors.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 22, 2025 08:22 PM Perhaps. I find 2001 and Full Metal Jacket rewatchable, especially the first half of FMJ. It is, to quote one of the characters, "Outf*ckingstanding!" Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 22, 2025 08:29 PM (0sNs1) 71
TJM does such a good job on these posts. I am sorry to say I have nothing to impart.
I would like to ask if anyone else thought " MI The Final Reckoning " was a warning about AI? Posted by: Ben Had at November 22, 2025 08:30 PM (sDNVV) 72
Jung Da-Eun would also work.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 22, 2025 08:30 PM (vKEG1) 73
Hey TJM -- I watched "The Tree of Life" last night, based on your recommendation, and the fact that "The Thin Red Line" is maybe my favorite movie of all time (top 3 for sure).
Great movie. I openly wept by the end. The opening was kind of a tough watch for my wife and me -- we lost a son 7 years ago -- but it was cathartic, and a thing of beauty. Thanks for the recommendation. And great post, as always. Posted by: Pastafarian at November 22, 2025 08:31 PM (sifs3) 74
70 Stanley Kubrick has the least rewatchable filmography of any of the supposed great directors.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 22, 2025 08:22 PM Perhaps. I find 2001 and Full Metal Jacket rewatchable, especially the first half of FMJ. It is, to quote one of the characters, "Outf*ckingstanding!" Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 22, 2025 08:29 PM (0sNs1) ===== I've been reading A Clockwork Orange, so I watched the movie. Very rewatchable. And funny. And terrifying. I viddied it, my brothers. Viddied it with my gulliver, did your Humble Narrator. Posted by: TJM's phone at November 22, 2025 08:31 PM (85lPH) 75
73 Hey TJM -- I watched "The Tree of Life" last night, based on your recommendation, and the fact that "The Thin Red Line" is maybe my favorite movie of all time (top 3 for sure).
Great movie. I openly wept by the end. The opening was kind of a tough watch for my wife and me -- we lost a son 7 years ago -- but it was cathartic, and a thing of beauty. Thanks for the recommendation. And great post, as always. Posted by: Pastafarian at November 22, 2025 08:31 PM (sifs3) ==== Getting people introduced to movies they love makes me happy. Getting people ti love Malick movies makes me even happier. I'm very glad to hear you loved The Tree of Life. Posted by: TJM's phone at November 22, 2025 08:32 PM (85lPH) Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Why Do the Heathen Rage? at November 22, 2025 08:34 PM (L/fGl) 77
Damn. I missed the Hobby Thread on the day the topic was boats. I have a lot to say about boats.
Can we talk about movies that featured boats? I'll toss Titanic out there to get things started. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 22, 2025 08:34 PM (0RiMX) 78
@70
>>Perhaps. I find 2001 and Full Metal Jacket rewatchable, especially the first half of FMJ. It is, to quote one of the characters, "Outf*ckingstanding!" R. Lee Emerys performance, though outstanding, is really one note and once you've experienced it the first time, it loses a lot of its impact on further viewings, the only reason to slog through 2001 are the visuals, and again, once you've seen it the first time, there's really nothing to bring you back for further viewings. Basically, I loathe Kubrick. Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 22, 2025 08:34 PM (XV/Pl) 79
This 2 minute video purports to identify Tarantino's 20 favorite movies, many of which I'd not only not seen but never heard of. Lots of Samurais, though.
https://is.gd/qc4j48 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Why Do the Heathen Rage? at November 22, 2025 08:26 PM (L/fGl) Fascinating selection. Like I never heard of at least half, but the ones I know are pretty good in my estimation. Posted by: Tom Servo at November 22, 2025 08:35 PM (/ZNPI) 80
64 "Stanley Kubrick has the least rewatchable filmography of any of the supposed great directors."
Haven't seen Fear and Desire, Killer's Kiss, or Barry Lyndon. Have seen the others. Can't recall being bored by them, but I can't recall the last time I felt like sitting down to watch several Kubricks over a couple of days. And when I'm browsing the list to see what jumps out at me for a spur-of-the-moment watch, it's just about never a Kubrick. But I wouldn't wipe them from my hard drive either. There's a lot to like in Strangelove or The Shining or Spartacus, but I don't feel like revisiting them as often as some of the Corman stuff I grew up on. Go figure. Bender, you may be right. Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 22, 2025 08:36 PM (q3u5l) 81
Didn’t really like Man in the White Suit because it just was infused with too much Socialist boilerplate to be enjoyable.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 22, 2025 07:56 PM (/ZNPI) Yeah, I bounced off it too. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 22, 2025 08:22 PM (xcxpd) I'm watching it again. On Plex. "Boiler plate" is in the eye of the beholder, I think. The "Man" has an idea, a dream, and he' caught in the cross-fire of social norms. It's a good ... yarn. Posted by: mrp at November 22, 2025 08:36 PM (rj6Yv) 82
Barry Lyndon is boring.
Posted by: toby928(c) at November 22, 2025 08:37 PM (jc0TO) 83
That it takes, often, 16-hour days to manage departments, film scenes, deal with actors and problems on set, and that's after you've secured funding to get everyone in place. The schmoozing with studio heads, producers, and independent money sources just to get that set together in the first place is a whole other set of skills
--------- Don't forget fetching coffee. If you do it right they'll hand you an entire studio! Posted by: Kathleen Kennedy at November 22, 2025 08:37 PM (0RiMX) 84
@80
>>Bender, you may be right. When your sitting down with your buds or your wife and the question comes up, hey what do you want to watch, a Kubrick film will never be the answer. Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 22, 2025 08:38 PM (XV/Pl) Posted by: Tuna at November 22, 2025 08:38 PM (lJ0H4) 86
I think Barry Lyndon stands up well as a beautifully filmed historical drama, although the first half is more enjoyable than the second. But I get that’s because the first half is Barry’s rise from nothing to riches, and the second half is his fall from riches to nothing, because he’s an ass.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 22, 2025 08:39 PM (/ZNPI) 87
The Highwayman guy is the best part of Barry Lyndon.
Posted by: toby928(c) at November 22, 2025 08:40 PM (jc0TO) 88
Thanks TJM for the flick thread
Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 22, 2025 08:40 PM (A0sqA) 89
and the second half is his fall from riches to nothing, because he’s an ass.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 22, 2025 08:39 PM He should have shot the kid. Posted by: toby928(c) at November 22, 2025 08:41 PM (jc0TO) Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 22, 2025 08:41 PM (q3u5l) 91
I need to make note of more movies available on Amazon prime because their algorithm hardly ever shows me anything that is good
Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 22, 2025 08:43 PM (A0sqA) 92
I would say Spielberg has the most varied and rewatchable filmography of any of the great directors.
I'd rewatch Hook over any Kubrick film. Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 22, 2025 08:43 PM (XV/Pl) Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 22, 2025 08:44 PM (pkeXY) 94
More than one person has said that Eyes Wide Shut is actually a documentary.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 22, 2025 08:44 PM (/ZNPI) 95
You could remake "The Man in the White Suit" today.
It'd be about a guy who invents social media, thinking it will lead to richer and more fruitful conversation among peoples. The people opposed will wonder about the impact on society and whether social media will take their jerbs. In the end, when the mob corners him, instead of the suit falling apart around him, society falls apart around him. You could call it "The Man in the White Supremacy." Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 22, 2025 08:45 PM (CHHv1) 96
Oh, Ladykillers. You mean that Tom Hanks movie.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2025 08:45 PM (bss/y) Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 22, 2025 08:46 PM (XV/Pl) 98
Can we talk about movies that featured boats?
Away All Boats Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. The Enemy Below. Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Why Do the Heathen Rage? at November 22, 2025 08:46 PM (L/fGl) 99
I saw Full Metal Jacket in the theater and felt compelled to go back the next night and see it again.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 22, 2025 08:49 PM (9ipOP) 100
More than one person has said that Eyes Wide Shut is actually a documentary.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 22, 2025 08:44 PM (/ZNPI) ===== I hindsight, certainly. Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 22, 2025 08:50 PM (9ipOP) 101
I enjoyed Whisky Galore!
Posted by: banana Dream at November 22, 2025 08:51 PM (3uBP9) 102
97 Although, Spielberg has never made a western.
It's on his bucket list I hear. Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 22, 2025 08:46 PM (XV/Pl) That will escape his grasp at this point in his career. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 22, 2025 08:52 PM (xcxpd) 103
ZOD IMPERIAL.
Posted by: ZOD at November 22, 2025 08:52 PM (E6cid) 104
85 Barry Lyndon is boring.
Posted by: toby928(c) Beautiful but yes, it's boring. Posted by: Tuna at November 22, 2025 08:38 PM (lJ0H4) This is also my truth. Also Ryan O'Neal does NOT fit into period dramas. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 22, 2025 08:53 PM (xcxpd) 105
Good to see you Zod.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 22, 2025 08:53 PM (xcxpd) 106
102 97 Although, Spielberg has never made a western.
It's on his bucket list I hear. Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 22, 2025 08:46 PM (XV/Pl) That will escape his grasp at this point in his career. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 22, 2025 08:52 PM (xcxpd) ==== 1. He could pull $1 million of his own money to go out into the desert and just do it. 2. Carpenter never made a true Western either. Posted by: TJM's phone at November 22, 2025 08:53 PM (85lPH) Posted by: Archer at November 22, 2025 08:53 PM (YGRGv) 108
107 I recommend "Look Who's Back" "Er ist wieder da"
A very good satirical black comedy. Posted by: Archer at November 22, 2025 08:53 PM (YGRGv) Hitler? Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2025 08:57 PM (bss/y) 109
4 Before getting to content, TJM really enjoying your videos, but have to say my favorite Japanese movies have Samurai
Posted by: Skip at November 22, 2025 07:47 PM (+qU29) Kobayashi and Kurosawa have that well covered Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 22, 2025 08:58 PM (xcxpd) 110
1. He could pull $1 million of his own money to go out into the desert and just do it.
2. Carpenter never made a true Western either. Posted by: TJM's phone at November 22, 2025 08:53 PM (85lPH) 1. He COULD but he won't and he wouldn't be good at it. I am not impressed with the quality of his later films. Looking at you, Ready Player One. 2. I consider Big Trouble in Little China to be...Western Adjacent. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 22, 2025 09:00 PM (xcxpd) 111
98 Can we talk about movies that featured boats?
Away All Boats Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. The Enemy Below. Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, -------- Houseboat - Sofia Loren Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 22, 2025 09:00 PM (uGpeQ) 112
Our PBS station when I was a kid a half century ago would have film festivals with Harold Lloyd, Chaplin, and had Ealing studio films. The Man in the White Suit left such an impression on watching it in later years I really had remembered it being that great. Frankly, the boss's daughter with the throaty English accent made me fall in love with her, but Alec Guiness's look at the end, when he may have...
No spoilers! Watch this great movie. Brett Goldstein has a good podcast and often mentions that everyone is trying to make a good film and it is very hard to get it all right to make it a success. God bless those that have. Posted by: LGBTQ+POC, ANTI RACIST HERO at November 22, 2025 09:00 PM (PKoes) 113
>>99 I saw Full Metal Jacket in the theater and felt compelled to go back the next night and see it again. Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 22, 2025 08:49 PM (9ipOP)
This movie is shown to Zod's bathsalt gorilla cavalry, the reception is always the same; "let us finish him." Posted by: ZOD at November 22, 2025 09:01 PM (E6cid) 114
I’ve seen Dr Strangelove like a hundred times.
Posted by: Accomack at November 22, 2025 09:02 PM (8jVAy) 115
I'd kinda like to see what would come of a Spielberg or a Carpenter western.
You can get a pretty good idea of the feel of a Carpenter western from Assault on Precinct 13, which basically transplanted Rio Bravo to a contemporary setting. Carpenter could do a nice tight western, probably bring it in on time and under budget, and with a running time under 2 hours (maybe even under an hour and 40 minutes), and it would be a fun time at the movies. I fear a Spielberg western would suffer from bloat, rather than being a return to the leaner days of Jaws and Duel. I'd love to be wrong about that. Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 22, 2025 09:03 PM (q3u5l) 116
Kobayashi and Kurosawa have that well covered
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 22, 2025 08:58 PM (xcxpd) Kobayshi Maru? Posted by: Tom Servo at November 22, 2025 09:03 PM (/ZNPI) 117
110 2. I consider Big Trouble in Little China to be...Western Adjacent.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 22, 2025 09:00 PM (xcxpd) === Most of his movies are western adjacent. Posted by: TJM's phone at November 22, 2025 09:03 PM (85lPH) 118
Although, Spielberg has never made a western.
It's on his bucket list I hear. As long as he puts the horizon at the top, or the bottom, it won't be boring. Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 22, 2025 09:04 PM (CHHv1) 119
114 I’ve seen Dr Strangelove like a hundred times.
Posted by: Accomack at November 22, 2025 09:02 PM (8jVAy) ==== Did anyone ever offer an explanation to the Coca-Cola company? Posted by: TJM's phone at November 22, 2025 09:04 PM (85lPH) 120
103 ZOD IMPERIAL.
Posted by: ZOD at November 22, 2025 08:52 PM (E6cid) An Imperial ZOD is about 4.5 gallons more than US ZOD. Posted by: r hennigantx at November 22, 2025 09:04 PM (gbOdA) 121
118 Although, Spielberg has never made a western.
It's on his bucket list I hear. As long as he puts the horizon at the top, or the bottom, it won't be boring. Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 22, 2025 09:04 PM (CHHv1) ==== I understood this reference. RIP David Lynch. Posted by: TJM's phone at November 22, 2025 09:05 PM (85lPH) 122
I quite liked the first season of Man On the Inside, the Ted Danson comedy/mystery about an undercover investigation in an old folks home. Season two dropped a few days ago but it's not as good. In part I dislike it because it's set in a snooty college filled with arrogant asshole commie rat bastard professors. I do like David Strathairn, though. Plays a very good arrogant asshole commie rat bastard professor.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Why Do the Heathen Rage? at November 22, 2025 09:05 PM (L/fGl) 123
Did anyone ever offer an explanation to the Coca-Cola company?
Posted by: TJM's phone at November 22, 2025 09:04 PM (85lPH) At that time Coca Cola did not own machines in the USA. They were owned by the local bottlers. And they ran there area like the Mafia. Posted by: r hennigantx at November 22, 2025 09:06 PM (gbOdA) 124
You know whats going on in that Bermuda Triangle?
Down in the Bermuda Triangle Elvis needs boats Elvis needs boats Elvis Elvis Elvis Elvis Elvis Elvis Elvis needs boats Aahh! The Sailing Elvis! Captain Elvis! Commodore Elvis it is Posted by: Mojo Nixon at November 22, 2025 09:07 PM (/ZNPI) 125
Houseboat - Sofia Loren Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others I was thinking of that movie during the boat thread. Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 22, 2025 09:08 PM (pkeXY) 126
I recommend "Look Who's Back" "Er ist wieder da"
A very good satirical black comedy. Posted by: Archer at November 22, 2025 08:53 PM (YGRGv) Hitler? Posted by: Aetius451AD You know whom else you should look who's back? Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Why Do the Heathen Rage? at November 22, 2025 09:09 PM (L/fGl) 127
Houseboat.
Long time since I've seen that one. But if we're talking boat movies with Cary Grant, let's toss in Father Goose and Operation Petticoat. Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 22, 2025 09:11 PM (q3u5l) 128
Long time since I've seen that one. But if we're talking boat movies with Cary Grant, let's toss in Father Goose and Operation Petticoat. Posted by: Just Some Guy Destination Tokyo Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 22, 2025 09:12 PM (pkeXY) 129
2. I consider Big Trouble in Little China to be...Western Adjacent.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 22, 2025 09:00 PM (xcxpd) Hmmm. Sort of. You are conflating though a 'Man's movie' with a Western... which I cannot think of any Western that is not a man movie. Did you ever see the Bruce Willis movie from the 90s. Set in the 20s, willis is like a former mob enforcer who is on the run from his past and blows into town and gets wrapped up in something that forces him to get his guns out again? Last Man Standing? Dead Man something? I have to look it up. That was more of a western than BTiLC. Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2025 09:13 PM (bss/y) 130
Most of his movies are western adjacent.
Posted by: TJM's phone at November 22, 2025 09:03 PM (85lPH) OK, what would YOU consider 'Western adjacent'? Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2025 09:14 PM (bss/y) 131
Yeah, 1996. Last Man Standing.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2025 09:15 PM (bss/y) 132
Well, that sounds disturbing.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 22, 2025 08:09 PM (syz1S) I would be IRL, this is basically an off-brand Disney Adventure. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo ------------ Sounds right up Disney's alley. Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 22, 2025 09:16 PM (uGpeQ) 133
Damn. Looked at the movie info for Last man standing:
Writers Ryûzô Kikushima Akira Kurosawa Walter Hill WTH? Has that wandering ronin, Shane kind of energy. Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2025 09:16 PM (bss/y) 134
Last Man Standing. Never saw it, but if memory serves that one transplanted Kurosawa's Yojimbo to the old gangster days.
Fistful of Dollars turned Yojimbo into a western. We owe so much to Toshiro Mifune... Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 22, 2025 09:16 PM (q3u5l) Posted by: gp at November 22, 2025 09:17 PM (4kcNT) 136
Aetius, Last Man Standing was yet another retelling of Dashiel Hammett's Blood Harvest. Other versions were (I think) Kurasawa's movie Yojimbo and Sergio Leones' move A Fist Full of Dollars
Posted by: Kindltot at November 22, 2025 09:17 PM (rbvCR) 137
130 Most of his movies are western adjacent.
Posted by: TJM's phone at November 22, 2025 09:03 PM (85lPH) OK, what would YOU consider 'Western adjacent'? Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2025 09:14 PM (bss ==== Sharing basic structural elements and archetypes as a common western. China has the loner coming into town to investigate local corruption before riding back out into the sunset. It is primarily more of a Kung fu comedy, but it has basic western elements that makes it adjacent to the Western genre. Posted by: TJM's phone at November 22, 2025 09:18 PM (85lPH) Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2025 09:18 PM (bss/y) 139
136 Aetius, Last Man Standing was yet another retelling of Dashiel Hammett's Blood Harvest. Other versions were (I think) Kurasawa's movie Yojimbo and Sergio Leones' move A Fist Full of Dollars
Posted by: Kindltot at November 22, 2025 09:17 PM (rbvCR) ==== Kurosawa ended up owning the Japanese rights to A Fistful of Dollars because he sued Leone's production company for copyright infringement. Posted by: TJM's phone at November 22, 2025 09:19 PM (85lPH) 140
Sharing basic structural elements and archetypes as a common western. China has the loner coming into town to investigate local corruption before riding back out into the sunset. It is primarily more of a Kung fu comedy, but it has basic western elements that makes it adjacent to the Western genre. Posted by: TJM's phone at November 22, 2025 09:18 PM (85lPH) Hmmm, so weary gunfighter. I am not sure Burton is 'investigating corruption.' He's more 'whoring and drinking.' or 'Gambling and Drinking.' Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2025 09:20 PM (bss/y) 141
Did you ever see the Bruce Willis movie from the 90s. Set in the 20s, willis is like a former mob enforcer who is on the run from his past and blows into town and gets wrapped up in something that forces him to get his guns out again?
- A Fist Full of Dollars set in gangster days, Last Man Standing. Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Why Do the Heathen Rage? at November 22, 2025 09:21 PM (L/fGl) 142
A Fist Full of Dollars set in gangster days, Last Man Standing.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Why Do the Heathen Rage? at November 22, 2025 09:21 PM (L/fGl) Original version - Mojimbo, by Kurosawa. Posted by: Tom Servo at November 22, 2025 09:24 PM (/ZNPI) 143
Ah just saw your post TJM!
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 22, 2025 09:25 PM (/ZNPI) 144
The Wandering Ronin is a truly appealing archetype. You can say theatEastwood built his entire career on playing that part.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 22, 2025 09:27 PM (/ZNPI) 145
Maybe 'western adjacent' movies are just channeling the same themes as westerns, and other genres, do.
Posted by: davidt at November 22, 2025 09:28 PM (Q+gd/) 146
David Drake wrote The Sharp End Hammer's Slammers book based around A Few Dollars More.
I always wished some of Drake's books would be used for movies. He has enough of them to be an endless mine of plots. Posted by: Kindltot at November 22, 2025 09:29 PM (rbvCR) 147
144 The Wandering Ronin is a truly appealing archetype. You can say theatEastwood built his entire career on playing that part.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 22, 2025 09:27 PM (/ZNPI) Absolutely. He pretty much did every western archetype I can think of multiple times. Lone wanderer (Dollars series) Weary Gunfighter (Outlaw Josie Wales, Unforgiven) Singing Cowboy (Paint your wagon) Venegeful spirit (High Plains Drifter, Pale Rider) Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2025 09:31 PM (bss/y) 148
>>>That was the key to Roger Corman’s success, as we discussed a while back here. He could churn out drive in movies, but he absolutely knew how to make sure that everyone involved showed a very nice profit.
Posted by: Tom Servo ---- YOu know what killed drive in movies? DAYLIGHT SAVING TIME Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 22, 2025 09:32 PM (uGpeQ) 149
Werner is in agreement with the points expressed here. I would have appeared early on, but I was caught up celebrating an endearing Deutsche holiday favored from young and old alike. Which is to say that, in company with the shade of Friedrich Schiller, I visited the gravesite of Bertolt Brecht and we demanded that Brecht arise from his lazy repose and do battle with us. Anyone responsible for "Mother Courage and Her Children" is worth an ass kicking on a daily basis. Schiller was looking to deliver a Hariharana that he picked up from his near constant viewership of Lucha Lubre and his fondness for one Rey-Rey Mysterio.
Brecht, sadly, did not appear.. Schiller begged that we should stay around to make Brecht was not playing possum. Schiller, I told him, you are awesome, but you are using the same approach of Linus waiting for the Great Pumpkin. It ain't happening, dude. Come on, my friend, let us go and spray paint the Brandenburg Gate. with obscenities.. Who can refuse such a pleasure? Also, my production of Ed Gein: The Musical is going well. Now I must watch Prometheus with Commander Star Sprinkles purring away in my lap. Posted by: Werner Herzog Has Opinions at November 22, 2025 09:32 PM (L/aWg) 150
I hate Tom Hanks. Posted by: Soothsayer at November 22, 2025 09:32 PM (kHU8q) 151
145 Maybe 'western adjacent' movies are just channeling the same themes as westerns, and other genres, do.
Posted by: davidt at November 22, 2025 09:28 PM (Q+gd/) Yeah, I think that would be my point. It's not western per se. War weary warrior who is looking to stop killing, etc. Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2025 09:32 PM (bss/y) 152
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I hate Tom Hanks. Posted by: Soothsayer at November 22, 2025 09:32 PM (kHU8q) As time goes on, yeah. Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2025 09:33 PM (bss/y) 153
Re 149
As James Garner once said in a completely different context, "He's a crazy mixed-up kid, that Werner. But I like him." Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 22, 2025 09:35 PM (q3u5l) Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 22, 2025 09:35 PM (uGpeQ) Posted by: davidt at November 22, 2025 09:39 PM (Q+gd/) 156
I consider Big Trouble in Little China to be...Western Adjacent.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 22, 2025 09:00 PM (xcxpd) Hmmm. Sort of. You are conflating though a 'Man's movie' with a Western... which I cannot think of any Western that is not a man movie. Did you ever see the Bruce Willis movie from the 90s. Set in the 20s, willis is like a former mob enforcer who is on the run from his past and blows into town and gets wrapped up in something that forces him to get his guns out again? Last Man Standing? Dead Man something? I have to look it up. That was more of a western than BTiLC. Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2025 09:13 PM (bss/y) Well I say that because the writer originally set Big Trouble in the 1880's. Jack Burton was literally supposed to be a cowboy who gets mixed up with Chinese workers working on the railroad. So there's a lot of Western DNA in Big Trouble even after it was updated. Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 22, 2025 09:39 PM (xcxpd) 157
Not on-topic for TJM's impressive essay, but last week I caught "The Bedford Incident" on UToob.
Forgot all about Sidney Poitier, and the tension between the captain and the reserve doctor. And had never noticed that among the first faces you see is a young James MacArthur (book 'em, Danno). Followed shortly thereafter by a young Donald Sutherland. Remembered it as better than it is. Overall concept is sound, but the execution becomes sorta lame towards the big moment. And the key Poitier/Widmark exchanges are too pat and caricatured. Posted by: rhomboid at November 22, 2025 09:41 PM (U/Byj) 158
Well I say that because the writer originally set Big Trouble in the 1880's. Jack Burton was literally supposed to be a cowboy who gets mixed up with Chinese workers working on the railroad. So there's a lot of Western DNA in Big Trouble even after it was updated.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 22, 2025 09:39 PM (xcxpd) Huh. I'd watch the hell out of that movie. Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2025 09:42 PM (bss/y) 159
Absolutely. He pretty much did every western archetype I can think of multiple times.
Lone wanderer (Dollars series) Weary Gunfighter (Outlaw Josie Wales, Unforgiven) Singing Cowboy (Paint your wagon) Venegeful spirit (High Plains Drifter, Pale Rider) Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2025 09:31 PM (bss/y) That’s a great summary! Posted by: Tom Servo at November 22, 2025 09:42 PM (/ZNPI) Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 22, 2025 09:45 PM (q3u5l) 161
I really kind of hate High Plains Drifter- but love Pale Rider.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2025 09:46 PM (bss/y) 162
Checking in late...Great stuff about MacKendrick. My brother in law went to Cal Arts. It may have been at the tail end of his Deanship. I'll have to check in with him to see when and if he remembers MacKendrick. He once told me there was some dean or higher up who would hot tub it there au natural in front of everyone. I guess you could get away with that kind of thing back then (sort of).
Movies I saw this week... IT WAS JUST AN ACCIDENT THE SECRET AGENT THE PLAGUE WARFARE All worth a look, depending on your taste and patience. Posted by: Lex at November 22, 2025 09:47 PM (y4H1r) 163
"TJM talks about Yasujiro Ozu."
I've never heard of the guy, but I've heard of you and I've heard of Paul Schrader. If you guys like Ozu, I'll give him a shot. And I'll get Schrader's book as well. Posted by: Darrell Harris at November 22, 2025 09:49 PM (0CU3H) 164
Ok, I can think of one character type Clint Eastwood did not play (that I can think of):
Besieged Sheriff (ala Rio Bravo or High Noon.) He never played that many lawmen. Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2025 09:49 PM (bss/y) 165
Dirty Harry, though they weren't Westerns.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 22, 2025 09:50 PM (syz1S) Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 22, 2025 09:51 PM (q3u5l) 167
165 Dirty Harry, though they weren't Westerns.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 22, 2025 09:50 PM (syz1S) In the Line of Fire, but you can also look at that as a 'Weary Gunfighter' genre. Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2025 09:52 PM (bss/y) 168
For a singing Clint, I'd rather watch Honkytonk Man than Paint your wagon. But again, not Western.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 22, 2025 09:54 PM (syz1S) 169
For a singing Clint, I'd rather watch Honkytonk Man than Paint your wagon. But again, not Western.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 22, 2025 09:54 PM (syz1S) When it coms to 'singing', I'm not sure who is worse, Clint or Yoko. Posted by: RickZ at November 22, 2025 09:56 PM (gKDq2) 170
When it coms to 'singing', I'm not sure who is worse, Clint or Yoko.
Posted by: RickZ at November 22, 2025 09:56 PM (gKDq2) Clint does not attempt to sell himself as a singer. Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2025 09:58 PM (bss/y) 171
Watching "Nightmare at Noon" or "The Crazies, Done Much Better and with Less Leftism."
No matter what, George Kennedy always gave his all. Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 22, 2025 09:58 PM (CHHv1) 172
Movie star singing >>> movie star whistling
Posted by: gp at November 22, 2025 09:58 PM (4kcNT) Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 22, 2025 10:06 PM (pkeXY) Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 22, 2025 10:08 PM (pkeXY) 175
I hate myself
Posted by: Just Saying at November 22, 2025 10:09 PM (9Zlhg) Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 22, 2025 10:10 PM (bss/y) 177
Nood ONT
Posted by: LRob in OK, Moron and Lunatic at November 22, 2025 10:10 PM (47diA) 178
When your sitting down with your buds or your wife and the question comes up, hey what do you want to watch, a Kubrick film will never be the answer.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 22, 2025 08:38 PM (XV/Pl) Maybe in your circle. Posted by: Cow Demon at November 23, 2025 01:17 AM (6KcYW) 179
32 I saw The Running Man remake with Glen Powell last weekend.
It sucked. Forget the fact that it's left-wing social messaging from beginning to end; it couldn't decide if it was supposed to be mainly comedy or mainly drama, and a lot of the characters do really dumb things over and over again. Hard pass. Posted by: Dr. T at November 22, 2025 08:06 PM (lHPJf) The moral of the story is: We Need Socialized Medicine. If he had it this poor man wouldn’t have to do what he had to do for his daughter in the first place. Posted by: Cow Demon at November 23, 2025 01:19 AM (6KcYW) 180
I've only seen The Sweet Smell of Success in that list.
Tremendous film, great performances from both Lancaster and Curtis (he was a marginal actor, who could turn in remarkable performances with the right directors). Posted by: Linda S Fox at November 23, 2025 07:56 AM (7Rs+y) Processing 0.04, elapsed 0.0357 seconds. |
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