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aceofspadeshq at gee mail.com CBD: cbd at cutjibnewsletter.com Buck: buck.throckmorton at protonmail.com joe mannix: mannix2024 at proton.me MisHum: petmorons at gee mail.com J.J. Sefton: sefton at cutjibnewsletter.com | Gardening, Home and Nature Thread, Nov. 22![]() Should have sent this a couple days ago. It's even more beautiful in person. First freeze is going to drop the leaves though. DiogenesGorgeous! Edible Gardening/Putting Things By As we approach Thanksgiving, a special feature on hazelnuts from 58Mikie!Hi KT! I want to say I enjoy Ace of Spades each and every day, with all contributors kicking it....From my standpoint, being involved with Oregon agriculture for my entire life, I particularly enjoy your "gardening" contribution! Picture attached is a Hazelnut tree(Corylus avellana) from our orchards in Western Oregon's Willamette Valley. We have grown Hazelnuts here since 1939. The main growing areas for Hazelnuts (I grew up calling them Filberts..."Farmers grow Filberts, people sell Hazelnuts".) are countries primarily in the northern hemisphere slightly above or below the 45th latitude, with a semi-marine climate....e.g. Turkey on the Black Sea, the largest producer, followed this year by either Chile or Oregon. The country of Georgia produces hazelnuts (Black Sea, also see Hilary Rodham Clintons brother investing in Georgia in Hazelnuts in the past), as does Azerbaijan, Italy (the past number two producer, and home to mega hazelnut using company Ferrero). For scale, Turkey produces Hazelnut crops each year in the 500k tons to 800k ton level. The world in normal years north of one million tons of hazelnuts. Oregon the year, perhaps 120,000 tons. As a fifty year + veteran of the Oregon hazelnut industry, I have seen some changes. For many years, our main variety of Hazelnuts was "Barcelona". A very large tree with large quality Hazelnuts. However, in 1986, a fungal disease called Eastern Filbert Blight-EFB- was found in the main growing regions of Oregon. The disease will eventually kill the tree, although much better fungicides are slowing the inevitability of the tree dying. During this time Oregon State University and its Hazelnut breeding program, under Dr. Shawn Mehlenbacher, have developed Hazelnut trees by traditional breeding with genes for EFB resistance. During much of my farming career Oregon had about 30 thousand acres of Hazelnuts. Now with the "new" resistant trees, Oregon has nearly 100k acres producing Hazelnuts. Ferrero the big Italian conglomerate, I hear, would like another 100k acres here in Oregon producing Hazelnuts... You know Ferrero produces Nutella....certainly a world wide phenomenon...I understand that Ferrero uses some 25-30 % of all Hazelnuts produced in the world. This year, on April 11th, Turkey had a "deep freeze" in much of its vast agricultural lands. ( I have been there three times -a great place to visit, but.....the politics. Hazelnuts are part of politics there and I have been in small room listening to Erdogan speaking...more than 20 years ago). The temperature in the hazelnut "hills"south of the Black Sea experienced 5 degrees F with the trees in full leaf; a bad crop disaster(also Turkish apricots were hammered and citrus was affected too). In addition, this area is "plagued" by a bug we in Oregon call the stink bug, which in Turkey is called the "skunk" bug. It does tremendous damage to the hazelnuts there. The Hazelnut market is currently abuzz.... FWIW, we are happy....we had EFB early on and had to pull out of all our orchard and replant with new varieties, which are now just producing...with a good market. Several more photos to come.....Lots of good information there. I planted a couple of filbert relatives in my parent's yard years ago. The nuts are smaller than the ones you grow. This is the pollen structure for Hazelnuts, the "catkin"..... a few blooms in the picture too. As the winter proceeds, these catkins elongate, dry out, an release pollen. The main producing Hazelnut varieties also produce pollen but are self in-compatible. Pollenizers of different pollen "shed times" must be dispersed throughout the orchards... A hazelnut bloom....in Winter. The pollen must be dry to blow in the air and land on the bloom, but following that movement of the pollen, high humidity is great (rain) to set the pollen in the bloom. The pollen must travel through the bloom with actual fertilization not occurring until May.... Lady Bug in the winter near a "catkin" ![]() Juvenile form of Lady Bug...they eat aphids too! ![]() The Hazelnut production in July...we start harvesting in mid September....this is the variety "Yamhill"...the county we live in and one of the original counties (1843) in the Oregon territory.. Thank you Take careThank you for teaching us so much. We're ready for some hazelnut treats now! ![]() ![]() If you would like to send photos, stories, links, etc. for the Saturday Gardening Thread, the address is: ktinthegarden at g mail dot com Remember to include the nic or name by which you wish to be known at AoSHQ, or let us know if you want to remain a lurker. Any thoughts or questions? I closed the comments on that post so you wouldn't get banned for commenting on a week-old post, but don't try it anyway. Comments(Jump to bottom of comments)1
You know Ferrero produces Nutella....certainly a world wide phenomenon...I understand that Ferrero uses some 25-30 % of all Hazelnuts produced in the world.
This company has invested heavily in Turkey (besides their home company of Italy....and Chile). I recall my first taste of Nutella, while visiting family in Italy. It was a revelation Posted by: kallisto at November 22, 2025 01:39 PM (dCxaZ) 2
Good afternoon Greenthumbs
If my mini greenhouse was in more sunny location who who knows if it might still be producing. Anaheim pepper plants through had minor frost are still fine. Posted by: Skip at November 22, 2025 01:42 PM (+qU29) 3
I called 'em
Posted by: kallisto at November 22, 2025 01:42 PM (dCxaZ) 4
I have a friend in that part of the Willamette Valley, so have driven past the filbert orchards many times. Really miss those. My husband used to make a filbert pie crust, for his Centennial pie recipe (in the Deplorable Gourmet).
Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 22, 2025 01:43 PM (+mUZM) 5
Those close-up photos of the catkins, blooms and ladybugs are outstanding.
Posted by: KT at November 22, 2025 01:43 PM (7vIsy) 6
last Friday when I got home from work, my pyracantha bush was abuzz with activity. Birds were flying in and out, feasting on the berries.
It was mainly mid-size birds, like the size of catbirds or robins. I expected to see the same party the next few days, but it never happened again. I guess they knew that day was the best ripeness and sweetness of the berries or maybe it was somebody's retirement party Posted by: kallisto at November 22, 2025 01:45 PM (dCxaZ) 7
My landscaper just finished fall clean up for me, so everything is set for the winter. Almost all leaves down so foliage is pretty much done. Hopefully winter won't be too rough and apple trees will do better next season.
Posted by: Lex at November 22, 2025 01:49 PM (y4H1r) 8
I ordered an Asian pear and Asian persimmon to plant in the spring. I really intended to stick mainly with berry bushes, but the only local fruit seems to be peaches from Colorado. So I'll see how these do.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 22, 2025 01:52 PM (+mUZM) 9
I bought a plant light bulb, need to try it on some house plant
Posted by: Skip at November 22, 2025 01:52 PM (+qU29) 10
Sister-in-law gave me a Meyer lemon tree last year. It had lots of blossoms this year and ended up with two large, and one small, lemons. Made the large ones into lemon curd. The small one set later than the others and isn't quite ripe yet.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 22, 2025 01:54 PM (lFFaq) 11
HOLY MOLY great pictures!!!!
Posted by: Denny Crane - Great Still Lifes! at November 22, 2025 01:55 PM (i49OE) 12
From Boise area: lows 37-48 F, highs 48-61. Some morning fog days. Temperatures predicted to drop a lot in the coming week.
We finished pressing all the apples for cider, and giving away the last batch for a friend's cows, so that's done for the year. I also stuffed and froze some poblano-rellenos, and cut up the undersized poblanos for casseroles, so that's also done for the year. Cutting and freezing squash will be next. I did find another bag of frozen tomatoes in the freezer, so we're going to use them for fresh sauce tonight. We've bottled 2 smaller batches of hard cider so far - other batches are still perking away in the hall bathtub. Last Saturday was bad luck city... Husband was using the sweeper-cart to round up leaves - it broke. Then we moved to using the leaf shredder - it did a few bags full, then also failed. We had to buy a new leaf shredder this week - later today, we'll be shredding leaves. Eric the previously featured Autumn Blaze maple is now naked; and we still have piles of sweet gum to shred. Oak leaves were all bagged and put on the curb. Hope everyone has much to be thankful for this year, and every year! Posted by: Pat* at November 22, 2025 01:56 PM (WDc+w) 13
Notsothoreau, I would think some sort of hardy cherry or an apple variety like antonovka would do you well there.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 22, 2025 01:56 PM (rbvCR) 14
The wild Little Aster that I let grow in the flower beds so that the bees get a nice fall feed are starting to go to seed so it's time to clear them out. I got one 40 gallon bag from half of the back bed and am done for the day. I also clipped the seed heads of the Goldenrod since I don't need any more of that sprouting.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 22, 2025 01:57 PM (lFFaq) 15
Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 22, 2025 01:52 PM (+mUZM)
I thought you need two different types of pears to get the best fruit. Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 22, 2025 01:59 PM (lFFaq) 16
My garlic is up about 2" in the bed, and my carrots need to be dug. I turned over the compost pile and put the maple leaves on top, and did the same with another pile that I am going to leave alone to spring, and they are both warming up.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 22, 2025 02:00 PM (rbvCR) 17
Also, to my surprise, the little fig tree in the front bed has a fig on it. I have to give that tree credit. It's planted on the southwest corner, but has held on during both drought and freeze. Much tougher than I's expected.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 22, 2025 02:01 PM (lFFaq) 18
Confusedus say man who plant light bulb have bright futures.
Posted by: Confusedus at November 22, 2025 02:01 PM (vFG9F) 19
I always read the garden thread, but rarely comment.
Mikie's lengthy and detailed post about Willamette and Turkish hazelnut production is fascinating even to me, a man who will visit a hospital in short order if he eats a deadly filbert. It sounds like, given the Turks and their sluggish agricultural methods and poor recent weather, along with the major filbert buyer Ferrero looking to expand acquisitions of filberts in Willamette Valley, you could make a mint with your disgusting poisonous killer nuts. Go git 'em! I'd rather you got rich than dirty Turks, the traditional foe of Slavs & Jews! Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 22, 2025 02:02 PM (BI5O2) 20
I thought about an apple. But I do see apples in the store, same with cherries. And I thought about planting a regular pear. It's a small yard and there's not a lot of room for trees. That's why I went for something more exotic.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 22, 2025 02:03 PM (+mUZM) 21
Polliwog, in my experience that is not true. My wife's asian pear doesn't have a companion in 8 blocks as far as I can tell
Posted by: Kindltot at November 22, 2025 02:04 PM (rbvCR) 22
Polliwog, in my experience that is not true. My wife's asian pear doesn't have a companion in 8 blocks as far as I can tell
Posted by: Kindltot at November 22, 2025 02:04 PM (rbvCR) Good to know. Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 22, 2025 02:05 PM (lFFaq) 23
I thought about an apple. But I do see apples in the store, same with cherries. And I thought about planting a regular pear. It's a small yard and there's not a lot of room for trees. That's why I went for something more exotic.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 22, 2025 02:03 PM (+mUZM) Persimmons survive in Korea, so they should do well for you. My wife is delirious when she gets persimmons off her tree. Posted by: Kindltot at November 22, 2025 02:06 PM (rbvCR) 24
I haven't read through it yet but I did get a book on Korean Natural Farming - Alaskan style. It lays out principles on how to build up soil fertility, regardless of your region. I am hoping it will inspire me to actually put stuff out in the beds and not just have bags of amendments sitting around the house!
Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 22, 2025 02:06 PM (+mUZM) 25
I bought these trees from Raintree and they tell you if the variety is self pollinating. I got a Centennial persimmon and a Shinsheki pear, both self pollinating and supposed to be smaller trees. I have considered getting a peach, since my neighbor planted one and there's no way it will get pollinated otherwise. (And they have moved out of that house, so this may not be a good idea. But the peach looks good and in need of pruning.)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 22, 2025 02:10 PM (+mUZM) 26
I read Steve Solomon's Intelligent Gardener about amendments and did what he said not to do, in using it as a rule-of-thumb, and my clay soil turned really soft and easy to work., I wound up with carrots that were long and big, unlike what I usually get, short and squat and gnarled.
I also have been soaking charcoal in a barrel of fermenting weeds over the summer so I can till the charcoal into the garden next spring. I did it once before and the cabbages got huge. Posted by: Kindltot at November 22, 2025 02:14 PM (rbvCR) 27
If I remember it right, Steve said clay soils need calcium. I should probably try the charcoal, as I know that's a good amendment. I thought my little patch of carrots did pretty well. I still have some chard and some stir fry veggie out in the beds. I want to see how long they will go until the cold kills them. I did cover the chard last frost but not the other plant.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 22, 2025 02:19 PM (+mUZM) 28
Oyster shell and lime is what I used for the clay soil. It is supposed to do with the magnesium binding to the clay.
I have been warned that straight charcoal in the soil will suck all the nutrients out of the soil and interferewith the plants, so you have to "charge" it by putting it in some sort of composting situation to absorb nutrients, or let the soil go fallow for a year. Posted by: Kindltot at November 22, 2025 02:24 PM (rbvCR) 29
We have so many pecans in SC that folks have trouble getting people to harvest them and shell them.
Posted by: no one at November 22, 2025 02:26 PM (W7XSX) 30
I gotta stop watching Kimi's videos on You Tube! I keep thinking I should be able to do that.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 22, 2025 02:26 PM (+mUZM) 31
My wife likes the Kimi videos, even though she was raised in Seoul. Or probably because she was raised in Seoul.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 22, 2025 02:28 PM (rbvCR) 32
Always loved filberts, thanks for the lesson!
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