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THE MORNING RANT: Beware the Concern Trolls Advising Trump to Abandon His Agenda Because of the Economy
“It’s the economy, stupid.”
We’re hearing that phrase a lot recently, especially after Democrats just won elections in three deep blue states that voted for Kamala Harris in 2024. Illogically, three blue states continuing to vote blue is being used as an excuse by “concerned” pundits to call for President Trump to surrender the MAGA agenda and return to the destructive policies of the Biden-era. Despite the drumbeat of “It’s the economy, stupid,” it’s not just the economy that matters. “It’s” also the mess from Biden’s open border, and it’s the woke propaganda mills that don’t teach our children, and it’s the chemical warfare that is being inflicted on our shores via imported fentanyl, and it’s the threat of jihadi violence, and it’s the invasion of women’s spaces by cross-dressing men, etc. Not only can President Trump fight all those battles simultaneously, he must fight all those battles. That’s what we elected him to do. But there is suddenly a chorus of people demanding that Trump pivot to the economy and only the economy. Coincidentally, this chorus is heavily represented by the permanent Never-Trump pundit class from whom any political prescription should be considered a poison pill. Those demanding that Trump abandon all his successful endeavors to focus on the economy are setting him up for failure. Deliberately. There is also incredible dishonesty in the efforts of false-flag conservatives to blame high-prices on President Trump. Overall prices haven’t deflated from the Biden-era inflation crisis, and these subversive “conservatives” are now trying to blame Trump for prices elevated by Biden economic policies. They worshipfully remember Ronald Reagan stopping Carter-era inflation, but they know darn well that prices didn’t deflate once Reagan’s policies took hold. It’s no different now. Or they’ll get cute and claim that cutting inflation from 9.0% to 3.1% isn’t fast enough improvement, because inflation really needs to be 2.9%. They don’t actually care about prices or inflation, they care about damaging Trump’s ability to govern. Above all else, these concern trolls want the outsourcing of jobs to resume, and they desperately want the tariffs benefiting American labor to be removed. These people despise the thought of an American-citizen doing a job that could otherwise be outsourced to unregulated, inexpensive foreign labor. For those jobs that can’t be offshored, they are also despondent that Trump has dried up the pipeline of off-the-books, illegal labor by gaining control of the border. Here is but a small sample from last week of Never Trumpers offering some America-last economic advice to Mr. Trump: “Gaslighting Americans on inflation is a bad idea” [Washington Examiner – David Harsanyi – 11/13/2025]Hitting consumers with billions in sales tax increases in the guise of tariffs over the last year isn't a much better strategy for Trump. Most economists predicted that tariffs would contribute to price hikes, and yet Trump's love of protectionism trumped pragmatism.“Trump Dismisses Economic Anxiety at His Own Peril” [National Review - Charles C.W. Cooke – 11/12/2025]
Irrespective of one’s view of the merits of tariffs per se, it ought to have been thoroughly obvious to President Trump that the imposition of a slew of draconian import taxes would make his goal of lower costs that much harder.While Never Trumpers are going to Never Trump, what most concerns me is that I am seeing some good, solid, MAGA conservatives taking the bait and offering up their own “It’s the economy, stupid” columns / social media posts. It’s a trap. Can you imagine the MAGA backlash if Trump announced that he was opening up the border again to lower prices via cheap, illegal labor. Or what if Trump announced that foreign fentanyl boats are welcome to resume trafficking fentanyl to our shores without fear of military attack, because the Trump administration is focusing exclusively on the economy. Those actions are actually what the Never Trump concern trolls are trying to bring about via a groundswell of “It’s the economy, stupid” advocacy from actual conservatives. The economy matters, and so do all the other issues that resulted in Donald Trump’s election. Just as it took a few years for Ronald Reagan to undo the stagflation of the Nixon-Carter years, it will take President Trump a few years to undo the damage of the America-last economic agenda of the Bush-Obama-Biden years. Not fixing all that damage in just a few months won’t hurt President Trump near as much as if he backtracks on his signature accomplishments and does nothing but react to day-to-day economic headlines.
I’ve noticed that the globalist, legacy-conservative adversaries of Trump who have opposed Trump’s America-first agenda are now squawking in unison, “It’s the economy, stupid” in a false flag attempt to get him to reopen the border, stop tariffs, and outsource American jobs.
— Buck Throckmorton (@BuckThrockmort) November 13, 2025
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Sponge!
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2025 11:01 AM (cIxJn)
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Corgis called.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2025 11:01 AM (cIxJn)
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Commenting present
Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2025 11:02 AM (m9F4f)
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“It’s the economy, stupid.”
No shit. And gas is sub-$2.50/gal, eggs are $2.27/dozen, not $9 or $12/dozen.
The economy seems to be headed in the right direction.
No shit. And gas is sub-$2.50/gal, eggs are $2.27/dozen, not $9 or $12/dozen.
The economy seems to be headed in the right direction.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2025 11:03 AM (cIxJn)
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3 Commenting present
Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2025 11:02 AM (m9F4f)
Oh, you shouldn't have!
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you kept the receipt though, right?
Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2025 11:02 AM (m9F4f)
Oh, you shouldn't have!
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you kept the receipt though, right?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2025 11:04 AM (JwNbV)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 17, 2025 11:04 AM (Zz0t1)
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It's important to remember that the macro numbers under Biden were actually good, while the actual economy sucked.
Inflation through immigration was the economic mantra of the Biden administration, and it worked.
Now, with actual net out migration, we're going to see actual deflationary effects. Already seeing it in rents (down 15% in major markets since 2022 as of this September), and it will spread out.
This is while we've seen wage growth outpace inflation.
The price spikes on specific items like beef are really limited to pocket cases with specific issues (beef stock is real down in America right now).
Also, the appearance of the word "affordability" right now when no one used the word for 4 damn years tells you how much of a narrative it all is.
Inflation through immigration was the economic mantra of the Biden administration, and it worked.
Now, with actual net out migration, we're going to see actual deflationary effects. Already seeing it in rents (down 15% in major markets since 2022 as of this September), and it will spread out.
This is while we've seen wage growth outpace inflation.
The price spikes on specific items like beef are really limited to pocket cases with specific issues (beef stock is real down in America right now).
Also, the appearance of the word "affordability" right now when no one used the word for 4 damn years tells you how much of a narrative it all is.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:05 AM (GBKbO)
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It's whatever the media tells the folks it is at this point... Time to cut the hysteria
Posted by: It's me donna at November 17, 2025 11:05 AM (VE6XX)
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The Globalists owe nothing to America or American citizens.
They have their money and power directed to a re-organized world order where they control media, politics and the choices offered to the masses.
Their allegiances are focused on increasing their power over the rest of us.
And they've convinced themselves, it's for our own good.
They have their money and power directed to a re-organized world order where they control media, politics and the choices offered to the masses.
Their allegiances are focused on increasing their power over the rest of us.
And they've convinced themselves, it's for our own good.
Posted by: proudvastrightwingguy at November 17, 2025 11:05 AM (MNCvZ)
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Republicans are never willing to "walk the plank" like Democrats are for their policy goals. Dems knew they'd get slaughtered for ObamaCare in the next election, but they did it anyway.
I don't think it really matters what Republicans do, voters always just seem to swing the other way when one party is in charge.
So my advice would be get as much stuff passed as possible in the next year.
I don't think it really matters what Republicans do, voters always just seem to swing the other way when one party is in charge.
So my advice would be get as much stuff passed as possible in the next year.
Posted by: Leupold at November 17, 2025 11:05 AM (eIzlH)
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We’re hearing that phrase a lot recently, especially after Democrats just won elections in three deep blue states that voted for Kamala Harris in 2024.
They cheated just as much in '24 as they did in '25. No one is stopping them.
We're SOOOOO f*cked........
They cheated just as much in '24 as they did in '25. No one is stopping them.
We're SOOOOO f*cked........
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 17, 2025 11:05 AM (Zz0t1)
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Excellent essay, Buck. Someone here said some people on his staff read ASHQ. I hope so, but you might consider sending it to the White House. Gov website:
https://tinyurl.com/3xaej65a
https://tinyurl.com/3xaej65a
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 17, 2025 11:06 AM (Nx5jP)
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In Economics, it's call "downward price rigidity." Businesses don't lower prices. They cut production.
Posted by: no one at November 17, 2025 11:06 AM (W7XSX)
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So my advice would be get as much stuff passed as possible in the next year.
Posted by: Leupold at November 17, 2025 11:05 AM (eIzlH)
Agreed...
So my advice would be get as much stuff passed as possible in the next year.
Posted by: Leupold at November 17, 2025 11:05 AM (eIzlH)
Agreed...
Posted by: It's me donna at November 17, 2025 11:06 AM (VE6XX)
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Thanks Buck, I got a lot of psychic relief reading your essay.
I am so very tired of being lied to by public people who think we are stupid.
I am so very tired of being lied to by public people who think we are stupid.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 17, 2025 11:06 AM (9ipOP)
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I'm sorry but I don't understand how reopening the border would help the American economy.
Posted by: Still lurking up north, read some, don't comment much at November 17, 2025 11:07 AM (kTd/k)
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Despite the drumbeat of “It’s the economy, stupid,” it’s not just the economy that matters. “It’s” also the mess from Biden’s open border, and it’s the woke propaganda mills that don’t teach our children, and it’s the chemical warfare that is being inflicted on our shores via imported fentanyl, and it’s the threat of jihadi violence, and it’s the invasion of women’s spaces by cross-dressing men, etc.
They're saying the price of ground beef will be $10 per lb. next year.
They're blaming the screwworm that "came with the illegals who brought their cattle with them."
WTAF?!?
They're saying the price of ground beef will be $10 per lb. next year.
They're blaming the screwworm that "came with the illegals who brought their cattle with them."
WTAF?!?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 17, 2025 11:07 AM (Zz0t1)
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All of a sudden, female cow worker is 'concerned' veterans get too many benefits.
Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2025 11:07 AM (LHPAg)
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16 I'm sorry but I don't understand how reopening the border would help the American economy.
Posted by: Still lurking up north, read some, don't comment much at November 17, 2025 11:07 AM (kTd/k)
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It would kickstart inflation again.
It has that going for it.
Posted by: Still lurking up north, read some, don't comment much at November 17, 2025 11:07 AM (kTd/k)
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It would kickstart inflation again.
It has that going for it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:07 AM (GBKbO)
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Whether it’s immigration, trade deals, or foreign policy, Trump has been saying the same things for 40+ years. I doubt he’s going to change his views based on a few pundits or advisors.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 17, 2025 11:08 AM (u73oe)
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My former employer knew how to handle "concern trolls", we had them shot, tortured, and sent to the Russian Front!
Posted by: General Burkhalter at November 17, 2025 11:08 AM (oftw2)
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Also, the appearance of the word "affordability" right now when no one used the word for 4 damn years tells you how much of a narrative it all is.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:05 AM (GBKbO)
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"Affordability" tested well in the focus groups.
Once you are aware, you will begin to see this word everywhere.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:05 AM (GBKbO)
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"Affordability" tested well in the focus groups.
Once you are aware, you will begin to see this word everywhere.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 17, 2025 11:08 AM (9ipOP)
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16 I'm sorry but I don't understand how reopening the border would help the American economy.
Posted by: Still lurking up north, read some, don't comment much at November 17, 2025 11:07 AM (kTd/k)
It's a simple reductio ad underpants gnome.
Posted by: Still lurking up north, read some, don't comment much at November 17, 2025 11:07 AM (kTd/k)
It's a simple reductio ad underpants gnome.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2025 11:08 AM (JwNbV)
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Heh. Go to the State Capital in Olympia and tell those asshats it's the economy. They will pass yet another tax...probably the Economy Tax. and then tell us "It's for the children!"
Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2025 11:08 AM (2WIwB)
Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2025 11:08 AM (cYBz/)
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22 Also, the appearance of the word "affordability" right now when no one used the word for 4 damn years tells you how much of a narrative it all is.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:05 AM (GBKbO)
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"Affordability" tested well in the focus groups.
Once you are aware, you will begin to see this word everywhere.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 17, 2025 11:08 AM (9ipOP)
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It has real gravitas.
22 Also, the appearance of the word "affordability" right now when no one used the word for 4 damn years tells you how much of a narrative it all is.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:05 AM (GBKbO)
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"Affordability" tested well in the focus groups.
Once you are aware, you will begin to see this word everywhere.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 17, 2025 11:08 AM (9ipOP)
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It has real gravitas.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:08 AM (GBKbO)
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I did think it was a little too on the nose when the Ford CEO made a speech complaining that he was 5000 mechanics short and "America is in trouble."
Can you imagine all H1-Bs working on your Mustang?!
Can you imagine all H1-Bs working on your Mustang?!
Posted by: Random PJ at November 17, 2025 11:09 AM (RRCAT)
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10 Republicans are never willing to "walk the plank" like Democrats are for their policy goals. Dems knew they'd get slaughtered for ObamaCare in the next election, but they did it anyway.
I don't think it really matters what Republicans do, voters always just seem to swing the other way when one party is in charge.
So my advice would be get as much stuff passed as possible in the next year.
Posted by: Leupold at November 17, 2025 11:05 AM (eIzlH)
Even the "Blue Dogs" did it, knowing it meant they'd be replaced by radicals in the next primary cycle.
I don't think it really matters what Republicans do, voters always just seem to swing the other way when one party is in charge.
So my advice would be get as much stuff passed as possible in the next year.
Posted by: Leupold at November 17, 2025 11:05 AM (eIzlH)
Even the "Blue Dogs" did it, knowing it meant they'd be replaced by radicals in the next primary cycle.
Posted by: XTC at November 17, 2025 11:09 AM (UnA8+)
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If I am going to make some criticisms, the 50 year mortgage is a bad idea imo. It will similar to what happened when the government got in the student loan business and suddenly prices for tuition exploded.
Trump should work on making housing cheaper, not letting people get more debt to fuel it.
Outlaw foreigners from purchasing housing here. Mexico and even Canada have laws like this.
There's a lot of MAGA type solutions for getting housing affordable. Maybe get Wall Street out of rentals also?
Trump should work on making housing cheaper, not letting people get more debt to fuel it.
Outlaw foreigners from purchasing housing here. Mexico and even Canada have laws like this.
There's a lot of MAGA type solutions for getting housing affordable. Maybe get Wall Street out of rentals also?
Posted by: Leupold at November 17, 2025 11:10 AM (eIzlH)
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27 I did think it was a little too on the nose when the Ford CEO made a speech complaining that he was 5000 mechanics short and "America is in trouble."
Can you imagine all H1-Bs working on your Mustang?!
Posted by: Random PJ at November 17, 2025 11:09 AM (RRCAT)
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It's my understanding that Ford's contracts with mechanics...suck.
Mechanics have to bring their own tools, and they're mostly doing warranty work for which they get paid about 15-20% of the price. They do this for years, hoping to rise in the organizational structure to become the next level of mechanic and do more involved, expensive work.
Can you imagine all H1-Bs working on your Mustang?!
Posted by: Random PJ at November 17, 2025 11:09 AM (RRCAT)
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It's my understanding that Ford's contracts with mechanics...suck.
Mechanics have to bring their own tools, and they're mostly doing warranty work for which they get paid about 15-20% of the price. They do this for years, hoping to rise in the organizational structure to become the next level of mechanic and do more involved, expensive work.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:10 AM (GBKbO)
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"Affordability" tested well in the focus groups.
Once you are aware, you will begin to see this word everywhere.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 17, 2025 11:08 AM (9ipOP)
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It has real gravitas.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:08 AM (GBKbO)
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Well damn it. I was just getting used to Atmospheric River.
Once you are aware, you will begin to see this word everywhere.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 17, 2025 11:08 AM (9ipOP)
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It has real gravitas.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:08 AM (GBKbO)
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Well damn it. I was just getting used to Atmospheric River.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2025 11:10 AM (2WIwB)
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18 All of a sudden, female cow worker is 'concerned' veterans get too many benefits.
Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2025 11:07 AM (LHPAg)
Living under a bridge, can't get a VA appointment until 2035, pension being withheld because the paperwork. (Why yes, there is no verb in that clause, well noticed).
Rotten bastards seem to get everything for free just because they played dress up for a couple months, don't they?
Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2025 11:07 AM (LHPAg)
Living under a bridge, can't get a VA appointment until 2035, pension being withheld because the paperwork. (Why yes, there is no verb in that clause, well noticed).
Rotten bastards seem to get everything for free just because they played dress up for a couple months, don't they?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2025 11:10 AM (JwNbV)
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They're saying the price of ground beef will be $10 per lb. next year.
They're blaming the screwworm that "came with the illegals who brought their cattle with them."
WTAF?!?
Posted by: Sponge
Blowing smoke.
The real reason? The least amount of hooves on the ground since the 50's due to drought & feed prices.
It'll take a couple of years to counteract that. Bulls can only screw so much and cows can only drop calves so often.
Screwworm is a "might" happen". Kinda like global warming.
They're blaming the screwworm that "came with the illegals who brought their cattle with them."
WTAF?!?
Posted by: Sponge
Blowing smoke.
The real reason? The least amount of hooves on the ground since the 50's due to drought & feed prices.
It'll take a couple of years to counteract that. Bulls can only screw so much and cows can only drop calves so often.
Screwworm is a "might" happen". Kinda like global warming.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2025 11:11 AM (cIxJn)
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Can you imagine all H1-Bs working on your Mustang?!
Posted by: Random PJ at November 17, 2025 11:09 AM (RRCAT)
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Ummm, this is a nice car and all, but why is the steering wheel in the trunk?
Posted by: Random PJ at November 17, 2025 11:09 AM (RRCAT)
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Ummm, this is a nice car and all, but why is the steering wheel in the trunk?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 17, 2025 11:11 AM (u73oe)
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We saw how effective republicans in congress were when Trump focused on waste, fraud, and abuse. He got Elon to head up a crack team of data nerds to show EXACTLY where the problems were, and our stalwart GOP members turned $billions of fraud and waste into a $5 cut in spending, while allowing democrats to call for death threats on Elon and his team while simultaneously torching his companies.
So, sure... get the most energetic and prolific president ever to put all his eggs in one basket, because Lucy promises THIS TIME, she'll hold the ball still.
So, sure... get the most energetic and prolific president ever to put all his eggs in one basket, because Lucy promises THIS TIME, she'll hold the ball still.
Posted by: red speck at November 17, 2025 11:11 AM (Ve/HL)
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I've already seen one person claiming that VA was won because the dems focused on the economy. The little dears can't help themselves.
Posted by: NR Pax at November 17, 2025 11:12 AM (lXoJ5)
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Well, the damage to the economy was largely done by COVID Op massive spending, prices are never coming down, many manufacturers learned to streamline processes and make do with fewer employees.
As much as people hate the AI monster, it may be the only thing that saves us as you need lots of power, lots of infrastructure and lots of people to make the whole thing work.
The next 1 - 3 years are going to be interesting and bumpy.
As much as people hate the AI monster, it may be the only thing that saves us as you need lots of power, lots of infrastructure and lots of people to make the whole thing work.
The next 1 - 3 years are going to be interesting and bumpy.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 17, 2025 11:12 AM (XV/Pl)
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27 I did think it was a little too on the nose when the Ford CEO made a speech complaining that he was 5000 mechanics short and "America is in trouble."
Has there ever been a CEO that lost more than $10 Billion over a three-year period due to his policies and kept his/her job?
Has there ever been a CEO that lost more than $10 Billion over a three-year period due to his policies and kept his/her job?
Posted by: Just Axin' at November 17, 2025 11:13 AM (oftw2)
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This veteran is just swimming in white privilege.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, diseased garbage human at November 17, 2025 11:13 AM (P7vXf)
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Trump should work on making housing cheaper, not letting people get more debt to fuel it.
Outlaw foreigners from purchasing housing here. Mexico and even Canada have laws like this.
There's a lot of MAGA type solutions for getting housing affordable. Maybe get Wall Street out of rentals also?
Posted by: Leupold at November 17, 2025 11:10 AM (eIzlH)
Art of the possible, I guess.
Sweeping action to close up fraud and waste and bullshit make housing cheaper for those who stand a chance at affording it? Never going to hold up.
Sweeping action to get more lovely sloppy sub-prime debt onto the banks' balance sheets so they can conjure new assets out of thin air with them? Full steam ahead.
Outlaw foreigners from purchasing housing here. Mexico and even Canada have laws like this.
There's a lot of MAGA type solutions for getting housing affordable. Maybe get Wall Street out of rentals also?
Posted by: Leupold at November 17, 2025 11:10 AM (eIzlH)
Art of the possible, I guess.
Sweeping action to close up fraud and waste and bullshit make housing cheaper for those who stand a chance at affording it? Never going to hold up.
Sweeping action to get more lovely sloppy sub-prime debt onto the banks' balance sheets so they can conjure new assets out of thin air with them? Full steam ahead.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2025 11:13 AM (JwNbV)
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Whatever the left media tells you is the current issue among conservatives, it is absolutely not the current issue:
It is the issue they hope most becomes the issue because it benefits the left the most.
Certain conservatives have an annoying habit of becoming obsessed with their hobbyhorse and howl endlessly when it is not The Priority.
It's exhausting, "we must abandon this thing--that we're winning on--because I think we must focus on this other thing (that we're not winning fast enough on)."
We're fifty to 150 years deep in the left "remaking" America to cement their power. There is no "one, single issue" that will turn that back--it's hundreds and thousands.
It is the issue they hope most becomes the issue because it benefits the left the most.
Certain conservatives have an annoying habit of becoming obsessed with their hobbyhorse and howl endlessly when it is not The Priority.
It's exhausting, "we must abandon this thing--that we're winning on--because I think we must focus on this other thing (that we're not winning fast enough on)."
We're fifty to 150 years deep in the left "remaking" America to cement their power. There is no "one, single issue" that will turn that back--it's hundreds and thousands.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 17, 2025 11:13 AM (ot33c)
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I think the play here is to distract or prevent Trump from combatting the sources of democrat power - illegals, NGOs, foreign actors, etc.
Posted by: TakeFive at November 17, 2025 11:14 AM (4DupB)
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It's my understanding that Ford's contracts with mechanics...suck.
Mechanics have to bring their own tools, and they're mostly doing warranty work for which they get paid about 15-20% of the price. They do this for years, hoping to rise in the organizational structure to become the next level of mechanic and do more involved, expensive work.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Shop labor rate = $150.00/hr
Mechanic's pay - $17.00/hr.
Mechanics have to bring their own tools, and they're mostly doing warranty work for which they get paid about 15-20% of the price. They do this for years, hoping to rise in the organizational structure to become the next level of mechanic and do more involved, expensive work.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Shop labor rate = $150.00/hr
Mechanic's pay - $17.00/hr.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2025 11:14 AM (cIxJn)
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20 Whether it’s immigration, trade deals, or foreign policy, Trump has been saying the same things for 40+ years. I doubt he’s going to change his views based on a few pundits or advisors.
ok maybe but honestly I do see him - shockingly, it's a rare thing - changing his views after new information gets through to him. I know I'm sounding a big "if only Comrade Stalin knew!" here lol
but the visa thing - he just doesn't get it. he has asshat CEOs (sorry, personal experience lol) in his ear and he's trying to grow the private sector as a counterbalance to the public sector, which has massively grown. so I get it.
but he has to assume everyone is lying to him. Play Dr House. be more cautious and try to talk to some normal people in the middle class, like me, a mom with three young adults who worked VERY hard for their STEM degrees and are very very smart and capable.
and have a narrowing sector of jobs available to them here in SE PA if they're not named Patel or Singh.
ok maybe but honestly I do see him - shockingly, it's a rare thing - changing his views after new information gets through to him. I know I'm sounding a big "if only Comrade Stalin knew!" here lol
but the visa thing - he just doesn't get it. he has asshat CEOs (sorry, personal experience lol) in his ear and he's trying to grow the private sector as a counterbalance to the public sector, which has massively grown. so I get it.
but he has to assume everyone is lying to him. Play Dr House. be more cautious and try to talk to some normal people in the middle class, like me, a mom with three young adults who worked VERY hard for their STEM degrees and are very very smart and capable.
and have a narrowing sector of jobs available to them here in SE PA if they're not named Patel or Singh.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 17, 2025 11:14 AM (emBoF)
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I did think it was a little too on the nose when the Ford CEO made a speech complaining that he was 5000 mechanics short and "America is in trouble."
Has there ever been a CEO that lost more than $10 Billion over a three-year period due to his policies and kept his/her job?
Posted by: Just Axin' at November 17, 2025 11:13 AM (oftw2)
How many high schools still teach shop?
Has there ever been a CEO that lost more than $10 Billion over a three-year period due to his policies and kept his/her job?
Posted by: Just Axin' at November 17, 2025 11:13 AM (oftw2)
How many high schools still teach shop?
Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2025 11:14 AM (2WIwB)
46
Kevin Warsh has a great op-ed in todays WSJ, repeating Milton Friedman and saying
"The Fed should re-examine it's great mistakes that led to inflation. It should abandon the digma that inflation is caused when the economy grows too much and workers get paid too much. Inflation is caused when government spends too much and prints too much."
Trump knows the problem is the Fed and the budget "process". He's trying to reform these things.
"The Fed should re-examine it's great mistakes that led to inflation. It should abandon the digma that inflation is caused when the economy grows too much and workers get paid too much. Inflation is caused when government spends too much and prints too much."
Trump knows the problem is the Fed and the budget "process". He's trying to reform these things.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2025 11:14 AM (BwFHZ)
47
the price of eggs is down so there's that
Posted by: kallisto at November 17, 2025 11:14 AM (dCxaZ)
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Irrespective of one’s view of the merits of tariffs per se, it ought to have been thoroughly obvious to President Trump that the imposition of a slew of draconian import taxes would make his goal of lower costs that much harder.
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Stage One thinking.
Why didn't prices and inflation rise during Trump's first term of tariffs -- nor even more so this time around?
Because the result of the tariffs is that dollar is strengthened relative to foreign currencies (primarily through reduced demand for foreign goods and, consequently, reduced demand for foreign currencies) -- which is a brake on inflation.
A stronger US Dollar typically results in lower inflation and -- in some cases -- deflation, because a stronger Dollar reduces the cost of imported goods and services, which helps to curb price increases throughout the domestic economy.
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Stage One thinking.
Why didn't prices and inflation rise during Trump's first term of tariffs -- nor even more so this time around?
Because the result of the tariffs is that dollar is strengthened relative to foreign currencies (primarily through reduced demand for foreign goods and, consequently, reduced demand for foreign currencies) -- which is a brake on inflation.
A stronger US Dollar typically results in lower inflation and -- in some cases -- deflation, because a stronger Dollar reduces the cost of imported goods and services, which helps to curb price increases throughout the domestic economy.
Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at November 17, 2025 11:15 AM (+AJs4)
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The Omaha Steaks CEO said the $10/lb thing on Maria Bartiromo.
Why?
If beef goes to $8 he can say silent and still charge $10.
If beef goes to $12 he can still say he was part right and charge $12.
Why?
If beef goes to $8 he can say silent and still charge $10.
If beef goes to $12 he can still say he was part right and charge $12.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 17, 2025 11:15 AM (9ipOP)
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42 I think the play here is to distract or prevent Trump from combatting the sources of democrat power - illegals, NGOs, foreign actors, etc.
sure and get us fighting each other
and get us despairing
sure and get us fighting each other
and get us despairing
Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 17, 2025 11:15 AM (emBoF)
51
Taxes are deflationary, but I guess the Republican left has abandoned reason in favor of Trump hatred.
Posted by: Oglebay at November 17, 2025 11:15 AM (2ap+5)
52
the Fed is simply trying to hurt PDJT and they sensed a little weakness and decided to put the screws to him again
totally political
totally political
Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 17, 2025 11:16 AM (emBoF)
53
I’m sticking with the wisdom of President Trump. He has won every battle so far. Remember destruction is so much easier and faster than construction.
Now just get to some chargers, arrests, prosecutions, and prison for the anti American left.
Now just get to some chargers, arrests, prosecutions, and prison for the anti American left.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at November 17, 2025 11:16 AM (xvV+O)
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48 A stronger US Dollar typically results in lower inflation and -- in some cases -- deflation, because a stronger Dollar reduces the cost of imported goods and services, which helps to curb price increases throughout the domestic economy.
Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at November 17, 2025 11:15 AM (+AJs4)
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It's also important to note that tariffs are on wholesale import prices, not retail prices. This lack of clarity creates intentional confusion and implication that 100% increase in tariffs on a good will lead to 100% increase in consumer retail price on the good.
And that's not even taking into account importer behavior of absorbing the tariff costs in order to keep up with competition from non-tariffed competitors.
Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at November 17, 2025 11:15 AM (+AJs4)
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It's also important to note that tariffs are on wholesale import prices, not retail prices. This lack of clarity creates intentional confusion and implication that 100% increase in tariffs on a good will lead to 100% increase in consumer retail price on the good.
And that's not even taking into account importer behavior of absorbing the tariff costs in order to keep up with competition from non-tariffed competitors.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:17 AM (GBKbO)
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These people despise the thought of an American-citizen doing a job that could otherwise be outsourced to unregulated, inexpensive foreign labor.
Just as these people get on an airplane, someone should point out to them where the airlines get most of their maintenance done.
Just as these people get on an airplane, someone should point out to them where the airlines get most of their maintenance done.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2025 11:17 AM (2WIwB)
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I've already seen one person claiming that VA was won because the dems focused on the economy. The little dears can't help themselves.
Posted by: NR Pax
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I think those races in places like NJ and VA were largely out of reach anyway, but I think the reason the margins were larger than we hoped is our team just didn't show up like it should have. The commentary I read is Republican participation was was way down vs 2024 versus Dems that held steadier.
Trump's victories have made too many people think the war is over and we won.
I think it had little to do with Trump not focusing "enough" on the economy.
Posted by: NR Pax
===
I think those races in places like NJ and VA were largely out of reach anyway, but I think the reason the margins were larger than we hoped is our team just didn't show up like it should have. The commentary I read is Republican participation was was way down vs 2024 versus Dems that held steadier.
Trump's victories have made too many people think the war is over and we won.
I think it had little to do with Trump not focusing "enough" on the economy.
Posted by: Leupold at November 17, 2025 11:17 AM (eIzlH)
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The Omaha Steaks CEO said the $10/lb thing on Maria Bartiromo.
if that ever occurs, and that's a big IF...
you just wait for the specials in the meat dept.
the store owner doesn't want to throw away all that product that has been languishing due to high prices
so Voilà! $10/lb. ground beef become $5/lb, overnite!
if that ever occurs, and that's a big IF...
you just wait for the specials in the meat dept.
the store owner doesn't want to throw away all that product that has been languishing due to high prices
so Voilà! $10/lb. ground beef become $5/lb, overnite!
Posted by: kallisto at November 17, 2025 11:17 AM (dCxaZ)
58
There is probably some significant price increases from the tariffs. But this is a one-time increase, not inflation. In any case, if other countries will reduce their tariffs, those one-time increases will go away.
Posted by: Ripley at November 17, 2025 11:18 AM (GUOwU)
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58 There is probably some significant price increases from the tariffs. But this is a one-time increase, not inflation. In any case, if other countries will reduce their tariffs, those one-time increases will go away.
Posted by: Ripley at November 17, 2025 11:18 AM (GUOwU)
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The place you'd expect to see it most: electronics, has not seen inflation.
Because tariffs are actually deflationary.
Posted by: Ripley at November 17, 2025 11:18 AM (GUOwU)
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The place you'd expect to see it most: electronics, has not seen inflation.
Because tariffs are actually deflationary.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:18 AM (GBKbO)
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And that's not even taking into account importer behavior of absorbing the tariff costs in order to keep up with competition from non-tariffed competitors.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:17 AM (GBKbO)
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Anyone with experience selling through retail channels understood this from the get go.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:17 AM (GBKbO)
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Anyone with experience selling through retail channels understood this from the get go.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 17, 2025 11:19 AM (u73oe)
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the local CVS has had $8 and $9 boxes of cereal on its shelves since post-coof debacle.
regular boxes, not family size or maxi size or anything special
they sit and sit and sit, then magically overnite they are $2/box
regular boxes, not family size or maxi size or anything special
they sit and sit and sit, then magically overnite they are $2/box
Posted by: kallisto at November 17, 2025 11:19 AM (dCxaZ)
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Taxes are deflationary, but I guess the Republican left has abandoned reason in favor of Trump hatred.
Posted by: Oglebay at November 17, 2025 11:15 AM (2ap+5)
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Yes, this.
Posted by: Oglebay at November 17, 2025 11:15 AM (2ap+5)
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Yes, this.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2025 11:19 AM (BwFHZ)
63
Because tariffs are actually deflationary.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:18 AM (GBKbO)
So when is SCOTUS supposed to be ruling on Trump's tariffs ?
Because tariffs are actually deflationary.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:18 AM (GBKbO)
So when is SCOTUS supposed to be ruling on Trump's tariffs ?
Posted by: It's me donna at November 17, 2025 11:19 AM (VE6XX)
64
Well damn it. I was just getting used to Atmospheric River.
Posted by: Diogenes
You won't be laughing, sir, when the Northwest is hit by repeated Bomb Cyclones this winter!
Posted by: Diogenes
You won't be laughing, sir, when the Northwest is hit by repeated Bomb Cyclones this winter!
Posted by: Dept of Prognosticatin' at November 17, 2025 11:20 AM (oftw2)
65
The problem - Amon Ra St Brown had to apologize for doing the Trump dance at this last game. We are back to that kinda tone and atmosphere in the country, and that has to change. If Trump supporters are back to being demonized, we're not winning midterms. So, we need to reset, probably starting from the top. I know Trump us Trump, but during the campaign, Suzie would have never let Trump tweet what he tweeted last weekend or say what he said in the interviews last week. She needs to bring back his "no bad words about Americans" muzzle (you can still say bad things about the world)...and someone needs to get the tone right again.
I threw my suggestion out last week for a season of joy and miracles...spotlight America and why Americans (Trump voters) are awesome...
I threw my suggestion out last week for a season of joy and miracles...spotlight America and why Americans (Trump voters) are awesome...
Posted by: Nova Local at November 17, 2025 11:20 AM (tOcjL)
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51 Taxes are deflationary, but I guess the Republican left has abandoned reason in favor of Trump hatred.
Posted by: Oglebay at November 17, 2025 11:15 AM (2ap+5)
My female cow worker is fueled by Trump hatred. She gets it off the media and feeds it to younger, more gullible than even she, women and some men.
Posted by: Oglebay at November 17, 2025 11:15 AM (2ap+5)
My female cow worker is fueled by Trump hatred. She gets it off the media and feeds it to younger, more gullible than even she, women and some men.
Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2025 11:20 AM (LHPAg)
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63
Because tariffs are actually deflationary.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:18 AM (GBKbO)
So when is SCOTUS supposed to be ruling on Trump's tariffs ?
Posted by: It's me donna at November 17, 2025 11:19 AM (VE6XX)
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Opinions may start releasing in February, but it'll probably be May/June.
Because tariffs are actually deflationary.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:18 AM (GBKbO)
So when is SCOTUS supposed to be ruling on Trump's tariffs ?
Posted by: It's me donna at November 17, 2025 11:19 AM (VE6XX)
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Opinions may start releasing in February, but it'll probably be May/June.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:20 AM (GBKbO)
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And they have less chance of influencing Trump than a similar movement did in 1980 trying to get Reagan to abandon his agenda.
Posted by: Ordinary American at November 17, 2025 11:21 AM (VnsnO)
69
Harsanyi is a never Trumper ??? I did not know that ....
Posted by: runner at November 17, 2025 11:21 AM (g47mK)
70
I rarely eat beef, maybe half a dozen times a year.
so I did experience the sticker shock when I purchased beef cubes for stew a couple weeks ago.
mamma mia!
so I did experience the sticker shock when I purchased beef cubes for stew a couple weeks ago.
mamma mia!
Posted by: kallisto at November 17, 2025 11:21 AM (dCxaZ)
71
I think those races in places like NJ and VA were largely out of reach anyway, but I think the reason the margins were larger than we hoped is our team just didn't show up like it should have. The commentary I read is Republican participation was was way down vs 2024 versus Dems that held steadier.
If the other side's candidate rooting for Republican children to be murdered doesn't get Republicans to the polls, what would?
If the other side's candidate rooting for Republican children to be murdered doesn't get Republicans to the polls, what would?
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at November 17, 2025 11:21 AM (JtU44)
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To expound, I told my husband, EVERYONE is b&tchy right now...Trump is b&tchy, Rs are b&tchy back, Ds are b&tchy, the dang Catholic bishops are b&tchy, heck most of us are b&tchy...and the b&tchiness needs to change.
Charlie's death was more negative for us than we thought b/c that guy - he was not b&tchy...
Charlie's death was more negative for us than we thought b/c that guy - he was not b&tchy...
Posted by: Nova Local at November 17, 2025 11:22 AM (tOcjL)
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I saw Digma open for Lord of the Lost and League of Distortion at the Roxy in Cervantes' Masterpiece Ballroom in 2010.
Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at November 17, 2025 11:22 AM (+AJs4)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 17, 2025 11:23 AM (bFu5X)
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So when is SCOTUS supposed to be ruling on Trump's tariffs ?
Posted by: It's me donna at November 17, 2025 11:19 AM (VE6XX)
You mean ruling against him. Which they will.
Posted by: It's me donna at November 17, 2025 11:19 AM (VE6XX)
You mean ruling against him. Which they will.
Posted by: Ordinary American at November 17, 2025 11:23 AM (VnsnO)
76
There are people who believe that the tariffs should have been done through Congress, because calling an emergency and then issuing tariffs (in their opinion) is not a good thing. Either now or going forward. But I am not sure those can be called "nevertrumpers".
Posted by: runner at November 17, 2025 11:23 AM (g47mK)
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If the other side's candidate rooting for Republican children to be murdered doesn't get Republicans to the polls, what would?
all the focus is on the absent Republicans. Ppl forget that Trump was voted in on a wave of disaffected democrats, unaffiliateds, and first-time voters. That crowd only shows up for the top of the ticket, they do not care about the undercard.
all the focus is on the absent Republicans. Ppl forget that Trump was voted in on a wave of disaffected democrats, unaffiliateds, and first-time voters. That crowd only shows up for the top of the ticket, they do not care about the undercard.
Posted by: kallisto at November 17, 2025 11:24 AM (dCxaZ)
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75 So when is SCOTUS supposed to be ruling on Trump's tariffs ?
Posted by: It's me donna at November 17, 2025 11:19 AM (VE6XX)
You mean ruling against him. Which they will.
Posted by: Ordinary American at November 17, 2025 11:23 AM (VnsnO)
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Probably not.
Worst case scenario is probably, "Lower courts, you did this all wrong. You have to consider every tariff's merits individually. Go do that."
All while signalling to Trump that he can just change the reasoning of the tariffs to other legal authorities that keep them in place.
Posted by: It's me donna at November 17, 2025 11:19 AM (VE6XX)
You mean ruling against him. Which they will.
Posted by: Ordinary American at November 17, 2025 11:23 AM (VnsnO)
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Probably not.
Worst case scenario is probably, "Lower courts, you did this all wrong. You have to consider every tariff's merits individually. Go do that."
All while signalling to Trump that he can just change the reasoning of the tariffs to other legal authorities that keep them in place.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:24 AM (GBKbO)
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75 So when is SCOTUS supposed to be ruling on Trump's tariffs ?
Posted by: It's me donna at November 17, 2025 11:19 AM (VE6XX)
You mean ruling against him. Which they will.
Posted by: Ordinary American at November 17, 2025 11:23 AM (VnsnO)
That's why I asked.. The longer it takes the worse it is gonna be if they say he can't do that with the tariffs.... Too close to mid-terms would be bad...
Posted by: It's me donna at November 17, 2025 11:19 AM (VE6XX)
You mean ruling against him. Which they will.
Posted by: Ordinary American at November 17, 2025 11:23 AM (VnsnO)
That's why I asked.. The longer it takes the worse it is gonna be if they say he can't do that with the tariffs.... Too close to mid-terms would be bad...
Posted by: It's me donna at November 17, 2025 11:24 AM (VE6XX)
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Well damn it. I was just getting used to Atmospheric River.
Posted by: Diogenes
You won't be laughing, sir, when the Northwest is hit by repeated Bomb Cyclones this winter!
Posted by: Dept of Prognosticatin' at November 17, 2025 11:20 AM (oftw2)
***
REEEEEE!!!!!!
We're all gonna die!!!!
Posted by: Diogenes
You won't be laughing, sir, when the Northwest is hit by repeated Bomb Cyclones this winter!
Posted by: Dept of Prognosticatin' at November 17, 2025 11:20 AM (oftw2)
***
REEEEEE!!!!!!
We're all gonna die!!!!
Posted by: Diogenes at November 17, 2025 11:25 AM (2WIwB)
81
There you go again...
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 17, 2025 11:23 AM (bFu5X)
what did I do?
have I committed an infraction?
a violation?? or simply un tout petit faux pas?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 17, 2025 11:23 AM (bFu5X)
what did I do?
have I committed an infraction?
a violation?? or simply un tout petit faux pas?
Posted by: kallisto at November 17, 2025 11:25 AM (dCxaZ)
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70 I rarely eat beef, maybe half a dozen times a year.
so I did experience the sticker shock when I purchased beef cubes for stew a couple weeks ago.
mamma mia!
Posted by: kallisto at November 17, 2025 11
I am surprised at the difference depending on grocery store. Publix has gotten crazy with their beef prices. Rouses (LA and here) are much better even for prime, and they have what they refer to as dollar saver steaks. I haven’t a clue how edible those are, but certainly economical. Even Fresh Market, which has decent quality meat, is less than Publix. Our butcher’s meat isn’t amazingly better than Rouses prime or Fresh Market.
so I did experience the sticker shock when I purchased beef cubes for stew a couple weeks ago.
mamma mia!
Posted by: kallisto at November 17, 2025 11
I am surprised at the difference depending on grocery store. Publix has gotten crazy with their beef prices. Rouses (LA and here) are much better even for prime, and they have what they refer to as dollar saver steaks. I haven’t a clue how edible those are, but certainly economical. Even Fresh Market, which has decent quality meat, is less than Publix. Our butcher’s meat isn’t amazingly better than Rouses prime or Fresh Market.
Posted by: Piper at November 17, 2025 11:25 AM (/sySz)
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Sorry, mistyped "dogma" as "digma" in the quote @46
Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2025 11:26 AM (BwFHZ)
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80 Well damn it. I was just getting used to Atmospheric River.
Posted by: Diogenes
They used to call it the Pineapple Express...
Posted by: Diogenes
They used to call it the Pineapple Express...
Posted by: It's me donna at November 17, 2025 11:26 AM (VE6XX)
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79 That's why I asked.. The longer it takes the worse it is gonna be if they say he can't do that with the tariffs.... Too close to mid-terms would be bad...
Posted by: It's me donna at November 17, 2025 11:24 AM (VE6XX)
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The fretting over the arguments was silly, especially around ACB's question around refunds.
"This means she wants refunds!"
She asked like two questions about whether it was feasible or not, which ignores all of her other antagonisms to the oppositions arguments.
Posted by: It's me donna at November 17, 2025 11:24 AM (VE6XX)
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The fretting over the arguments was silly, especially around ACB's question around refunds.
"This means she wants refunds!"
She asked like two questions about whether it was feasible or not, which ignores all of her other antagonisms to the oppositions arguments.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:26 AM (GBKbO)
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Thx Buck. The leftists I know on Facebook especially white women are still screeching about Epstein. A noticeable economic downturn would be necessary to get them off that
Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 17, 2025 11:26 AM (bfwj/)
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There are people who believe that the tariffs should have been done through Congress, because calling an emergency and then issuing tariffs (in their opinion) is not a good thing. Either now or going forward. But I am not sure those can be called "nevertrumpers".
Posted by: runner
Congress isn't smart enough to handle tariffs.
Posted by: runner
Congress isn't smart enough to handle tariffs.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2025 11:27 AM (cIxJn)
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81 There you go again...
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 17, 2025 11:23 AM (bFu5X)
what did I do?
have I committed an infraction?
a violation?? or simply un tout petit faux pas?
Posted by: kallisto at November 17
My my, how can I forget you? (Get it now?) 😀
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 17, 2025 11:23 AM (bFu5X)
what did I do?
have I committed an infraction?
a violation?? or simply un tout petit faux pas?
Posted by: kallisto at November 17
My my, how can I forget you? (Get it now?) 😀
Posted by: Piper at November 17, 2025 11:27 AM (/sySz)
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76 There are people who believe that the tariffs should have been done through Congress, because calling an emergency and then issuing tariffs (in their opinion) is not a good thing. Either now or going forward. But I am not sure those can be called "nevertrumpers".
Posted by: runner at November 17, 2025 11:23 AM (g47mK)
It's actually also the whole emergency thing and Congress giving away its tariff power with 51 votes and being unable to get it back without 67 votes. We probably don't want to set a precedent that that's okay.
If I'm honest, I think Supreme Court should rightly overturn that whole tariff law and flat out say Congress can't give away its Constitutional powers without an amendment to that doc...
Posted by: runner at November 17, 2025 11:23 AM (g47mK)
It's actually also the whole emergency thing and Congress giving away its tariff power with 51 votes and being unable to get it back without 67 votes. We probably don't want to set a precedent that that's okay.
If I'm honest, I think Supreme Court should rightly overturn that whole tariff law and flat out say Congress can't give away its Constitutional powers without an amendment to that doc...
Posted by: Nova Local at November 17, 2025 11:27 AM (tOcjL)
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Congress isn't smart enough to handle tariffs.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2025 11:27 AM (cIxJn)
Too busy whining about the Epstein files.. You know.. The important stuff...
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2025 11:27 AM (cIxJn)
Too busy whining about the Epstein files.. You know.. The important stuff...
Posted by: It's me donna at November 17, 2025 11:28 AM (VE6XX)
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all the focus is on the absent Republicans. Ppl forget that Trump was voted in on a wave of disaffected democrats, unaffiliateds, and first-time voters. That crowd only shows up for the top of the ticket, they do not care about the undercard.
Posted by: kallisto at November 17, 2025 11:24 AM (dCxaZ)
I think that's true as well, which does not make me optimistic for midterms, despite the Dem party having subbasement approval ratings.
Posted by: kallisto at November 17, 2025 11:24 AM (dCxaZ)
I think that's true as well, which does not make me optimistic for midterms, despite the Dem party having subbasement approval ratings.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at November 17, 2025 11:28 AM (JtU44)
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Close the borders, increase tariffs across the board and bring American jobs back to America.
Posted by: Taking It To The Streets at November 17, 2025 11:28 AM (1mUlr)
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"There are people who believe that the tariffs should have been done through Congress, because calling an emergency and then issuing tariffs (in their opinion) is not a good thing. Either now or going forward. But I am not sure those can be called "nevertrumpers".
Posted by: runner"
It probably would have been better if Congress had done it. But it would have taken year to get some butchered version passed and would have resulted in $100 billion new spending to get everybody on board.
Posted by: runner"
It probably would have been better if Congress had done it. But it would have taken year to get some butchered version passed and would have resulted in $100 billion new spending to get everybody on board.
Posted by: Ripley at November 17, 2025 11:28 AM (GUOwU)
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These are the same people who always wanted to meddle in the economy to achieve certain goals. IOW, central planners. They just wanted to do it with lower taxes and lower prices.
Narrator: Central planning of an economy is NOT a "conservative" value.
Narrator: Central planning of an economy is NOT a "conservative" value.
Posted by: GWB at November 17, 2025 11:28 AM (WCyKN)
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Can you imagine the MAGA backlash if Trump announced that he was opening up the border again to lower prices via cheap, illegal labor.
We don't have to imagine.
He sat in an interview and proclaimed we need to bring in hordes of H1B Indians because Americans are untalented.
No one cares whether they are legal or not. We have, collectively, convinced generations of Americans to "invest in their education" with promises like "a college graduate makes a million more dollars over their lifetime".
So they dutifully did as their parents, pastors, teachers, friends, columnists, and every other trusted source instructed and went to college, racking up hundreds of thousands of dollars in the process, betting on that "million more dollars" they were promised. An education that was lackluster, and artificially inflated in its value by the admission of foreign students that enabled colleges and universities to extract a heavy toll.
Now they are being furloughed in mass numbers jn favor of foreign contract labor.
Younger voters rightly feel as though the promises they were sold were outright lies, and now they struggle to obtain a steady job and a house to raise a family in.
We don't have to imagine.
He sat in an interview and proclaimed we need to bring in hordes of H1B Indians because Americans are untalented.
No one cares whether they are legal or not. We have, collectively, convinced generations of Americans to "invest in their education" with promises like "a college graduate makes a million more dollars over their lifetime".
So they dutifully did as their parents, pastors, teachers, friends, columnists, and every other trusted source instructed and went to college, racking up hundreds of thousands of dollars in the process, betting on that "million more dollars" they were promised. An education that was lackluster, and artificially inflated in its value by the admission of foreign students that enabled colleges and universities to extract a heavy toll.
Now they are being furloughed in mass numbers jn favor of foreign contract labor.
Younger voters rightly feel as though the promises they were sold were outright lies, and now they struggle to obtain a steady job and a house to raise a family in.
Posted by: It is What it Is at November 17, 2025 11:29 AM (x1mVT)
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Ppl forget that Trump was voted in on a wave of disaffected democrats, unaffiliateds, and first-time voters. That crowd only shows up for the top of the ticket, they do not care about the undercard.
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I think we can be even more specific--people showed up for Trump, and too many "Republicans" aren't in the Trump camp. You see it all levels, candidates and officials that want to "borrow" Trump when its convenient but who do NOT have America First as their *real* priorities. If you want Trump-like levels of turnout, you have to field Trump-like candidates.
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I think we can be even more specific--people showed up for Trump, and too many "Republicans" aren't in the Trump camp. You see it all levels, candidates and officials that want to "borrow" Trump when its convenient but who do NOT have America First as their *real* priorities. If you want Trump-like levels of turnout, you have to field Trump-like candidates.
Posted by: Crusader at November 17, 2025 11:29 AM (TN0g+)
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Year 1 to Year 1
PETER DOOCY has an incredible FACT CHECK on inflation, comparing the first year of Trump vs Biden:
• For overall inflation, Biden was 4.3% overall and Trump 1.6%
• For groceries, Biden had 3.8% inflation and Trump 1.4%
• For gas, Biden had 24.4% inflation and Trump -5.4%
PETER DOOCY has an incredible FACT CHECK on inflation, comparing the first year of Trump vs Biden:
• For overall inflation, Biden was 4.3% overall and Trump 1.6%
• For groceries, Biden had 3.8% inflation and Trump 1.4%
• For gas, Biden had 24.4% inflation and Trump -5.4%
Posted by: r hennigantx at November 17, 2025 11:29 AM (gbOdA)
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Shop labor rate = $150.00/hr
Mechanic's pay - $17.00/hr.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2025 11:14 AM (cIxJn)
They do have a book that tells them how long a specific job takes, regardless the ACTUAL time taken for the job.
So, a mechanic can do 85 hours of book work in one 40 hour work week and get paid the 85 hours worth.
That's usually why dealer work sucks. They're in a hurry.
Shop labor rate = $150.00/hr
Mechanic's pay - $17.00/hr.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2025 11:14 AM (cIxJn)
They do have a book that tells them how long a specific job takes, regardless the ACTUAL time taken for the job.
So, a mechanic can do 85 hours of book work in one 40 hour work week and get paid the 85 hours worth.
That's usually why dealer work sucks. They're in a hurry.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 17, 2025 11:29 AM (Zz0t1)
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If congress is the answer, it was a stupid question.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at November 17, 2025 11:30 AM (u73oe)
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100
Posted by: r hennigantx at November 17, 2025 11:30 AM (gbOdA)
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Too busy whining about the Epstein files.. You know.. The important stuff...
Posted by: It's me donna at November 17, 2025
They should be careful what they wish for, they may just get it.
Too busy whining about the Epstein files.. You know.. The important stuff...
Posted by: It's me donna at November 17, 2025
They should be careful what they wish for, they may just get it.
Posted by: Piper at November 17, 2025 11:30 AM (/sySz)
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90 Congress isn't smart enough to handle tariffs.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2025 11:27 AM (cIxJn)
What are they smart, timely and courageous enough to handle? The idea of repositing tariff power in Congress is beyond laughable.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2025 11:27 AM (cIxJn)
What are they smart, timely and courageous enough to handle? The idea of repositing tariff power in Congress is beyond laughable.
Posted by: Ordinary American at November 17, 2025 11:30 AM (VnsnO)
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No shit. And gas is sub-$2.50/gal, eggs are $2.27/dozen, not $9 or $12/dozen"
This. Noted this AM that we paid $2.95/gal for road use diesel.
Cheapest in nearly a decade...
This. Noted this AM that we paid $2.95/gal for road use diesel.
Cheapest in nearly a decade...
Posted by: man at November 17, 2025 11:30 AM (XuXeR)
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[snip]
Charlie's death was more negative for us than we thought b/c that guy - he was not b&tchy...
Posted by: Nova Local at November 17, 2025 11:22 AM (tOcjL)
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Well said.
I think this recent neo-Jacobin (Hitler- and Stalin-loving bowel) movement on "the far right" via Fuentes Deep State PsyOp -- forgive the metaphorical expression -- gets strangled in the crib if Charlie was still here.
"Mister we could use a man like Charles James Kirk again ..."
Charlie's death was more negative for us than we thought b/c that guy - he was not b&tchy...
Posted by: Nova Local at November 17, 2025 11:22 AM (tOcjL)
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Well said.
I think this recent neo-Jacobin (Hitler- and Stalin-loving bowel) movement on "the far right" via Fuentes Deep State PsyOp -- forgive the metaphorical expression -- gets strangled in the crib if Charlie was still here.
"Mister we could use a man like Charles James Kirk again ..."
Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at November 17, 2025 11:30 AM (6SZ3K)
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That's usually why dealer work sucks. They're in a hurry."
Heh. Sitting in on an auto tech class (I was editing the manual), and instructor had me "hands on", so I was backing out two bolts, one in each hand... the lead tech muttered "must be a flat rate guy"...
Heh. Sitting in on an auto tech class (I was editing the manual), and instructor had me "hands on", so I was backing out two bolts, one in each hand... the lead tech muttered "must be a flat rate guy"...
Posted by: man at November 17, 2025 11:32 AM (XuXeR)
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Charles W Cooke is a self avowed never Trumper who endorsed Harris, on Megyn Kelly’s podcast
Posted by: Jonah at November 17, 2025 11:32 AM (YCxFk)
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Also, one of the things conservatives need to push and educate people into is the cyclical nature of economies and that a natural response (not a central gov't response) is best. Life is much better handled by preparing for the inevitable downturns in life and getting through them than in trying to keep all the plates spinning of "preventing" everything. (All those plates are because one central gov't action introduces another problem which requires a new plate spinning, which causes another issue, which requires another plate....)
Posted by: GWB at November 17, 2025 11:33 AM (WCyKN)
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It's pretty wild that despite everyone knowing we are fighting back against a ruthless enemy that not only constantly runs intel ops against us but even tries to murder our choice to fight back, twice, people still fall for this bullshit.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2025 11:33 AM (viF8m)
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Prices are never going down, save for a depression type event.
The only thing that can reasonably be done is slow the increase of prices, i.e., inflation.
I do agree a pivot - the pivot being verbal - to distinguish between Biden's inflationary policies and what Trump is trying to do now.
On a side note: buy Christmas stuff now. There will be shortages as firms delayed bringing goods because of tariff negotiations. All that shit from China isn't getting here, distributed and sold in the next 5 weeks unless it's already left China.
The only thing that can reasonably be done is slow the increase of prices, i.e., inflation.
I do agree a pivot - the pivot being verbal - to distinguish between Biden's inflationary policies and what Trump is trying to do now.
On a side note: buy Christmas stuff now. There will be shortages as firms delayed bringing goods because of tariff negotiations. All that shit from China isn't getting here, distributed and sold in the next 5 weeks unless it's already left China.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at November 17, 2025 11:33 AM (FxH7T)
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There is probably some significant price increases from the tariffs. But this is a one-time increase, not inflation.
Posted by: Ripley at November 17, 2025 11:18 AM (GUOwU)
An important point that is lost on the 24-year-old "Studies" majors who write a lot of the MSM news.
Posted by: Ripley at November 17, 2025 11:18 AM (GUOwU)
An important point that is lost on the 24-year-old "Studies" majors who write a lot of the MSM news.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 17, 2025 11:34 AM (n9ltV)
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"There are people who believe that the tariffs should have been done through Congress, because calling an emergency and then issuing tariffs (in their opinion) is not a good thing. Either now or going forward. But I am not sure those can be called "nevertrumpers".
Posted by: runner"
It probably would have been better if Congress had done it. But it would have taken year to get some butchered version passed and would have resulted in $100 billion new spending to get everybody on board.
Posted by: Ripley
And they would have given away every leverage point we had.
Posted by: runner"
It probably would have been better if Congress had done it. But it would have taken year to get some butchered version passed and would have resulted in $100 billion new spending to get everybody on board.
Posted by: Ripley
And they would have given away every leverage point we had.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2025 11:34 AM (cIxJn)
Posted by: man at November 17, 2025 11:35 AM (XuXeR)
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Charlie's death was more negative for us than we thought b/c that guy - he was not b&tchy...
Posted by: Nova Local at November 17, 2025 11:22 AM (tOcjL)
The Left understood this very well.
"Death solves all problems. No man, no problem." J. Stalin
Posted by: Nova Local at November 17, 2025 11:22 AM (tOcjL)
The Left understood this very well.
"Death solves all problems. No man, no problem." J. Stalin
Posted by: Ordinary American at November 17, 2025 11:35 AM (VnsnO)
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Virginia is not deep blue - but NOVA was going to vote because they were impacted by the fed workforce cuts. The reduction in GOP turnout is something we have to get used to - and it will be there in the 26 midterms too unless GOTV efforts are ramped up. MAGA base is not an automatic voter base. Those now belong to the democrats.
Posted by: Black JEM at November 17, 2025 11:35 AM (GZYu7)
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Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2025 11:34 AM (cIxJn)
Was in your neck of the woods this weekend taking the FiL back home.
Boy was he a drama queen when I dropped him off........
Was in your neck of the woods this weekend taking the FiL back home.
Boy was he a drama queen when I dropped him off........
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 17, 2025 11:36 AM (Zz0t1)
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Monetary inflation essentially represents a permanent loss in the purchasing power of the currency.
The price of something can fluctuate due to supply and demand, or even decline. The usual suspects want to divert attention from the government habit of destroying their savings and conflate everything into one imponderable, as if it were a natural phenomenon that falls like rain from the sky, and nobody knows why.
Ordinarily in the normal course of things prices generally go down over time. Not up. Even the much vaunted FED dual mandate twaddle of “targeted” monetary inflation at 2% in reality means your savings or investment value is cut in half after 20 years, or near enough. Then you have the privilege of owing taxes on the nominal “gains”, because the numbers are bigger.
What’s not to like? We’re All In This Together with JP Morgan and Black Rock, Venture capital firms, the Snapanese and Millionaire Democratic Socialist Senators with 3 mansions. Down with the Struggle, Keepin’ It Real, Yo.
The price of something can fluctuate due to supply and demand, or even decline. The usual suspects want to divert attention from the government habit of destroying their savings and conflate everything into one imponderable, as if it were a natural phenomenon that falls like rain from the sky, and nobody knows why.
Ordinarily in the normal course of things prices generally go down over time. Not up. Even the much vaunted FED dual mandate twaddle of “targeted” monetary inflation at 2% in reality means your savings or investment value is cut in half after 20 years, or near enough. Then you have the privilege of owing taxes on the nominal “gains”, because the numbers are bigger.
What’s not to like? We’re All In This Together with JP Morgan and Black Rock, Venture capital firms, the Snapanese and Millionaire Democratic Socialist Senators with 3 mansions. Down with the Struggle, Keepin’ It Real, Yo.
Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2025 11:36 AM (tJ+Xw)
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Sadly, an off year election in blue states, panics. the moderate Establishment GOP. The Ivy League wing
Posted by: Jonah at November 17, 2025 11:36 AM (YCxFk)
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There is probably some significant price increases from the tariffs"
Costs, damnit. Lower transportation costs can (and do) offset a great deal of the costs of goods sold.
Costs, damnit. Lower transportation costs can (and do) offset a great deal of the costs of goods sold.
Posted by: man at November 17, 2025 11:36 AM (XuXeR)
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On a side note: buy Christmas stuff now. There will be shortages"
Don't get my hopes up....
Posted by: man at November 17, 2025 11:35 AM (XuXeR)
Christmas will be incredibly light this year as I don't have any extra $$$ to spend.
Don't get my hopes up....
Posted by: man at November 17, 2025 11:35 AM (XuXeR)
Christmas will be incredibly light this year as I don't have any extra $$$ to spend.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 17, 2025 11:36 AM (Zz0t1)
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I'm not optimistic about Trump's chances on the tariff issue in front of the SC.
What makes me mad is whenever Democrats color "outside the lines", it's totally overlooked. Like Biden saying it's a "national emergency" to dump the nations oil reserves right before an election. The SC would never touch that.
But Trump does something similar with tariffs and now the courts decide to get really in the weeds on when something is really an emergency.
What makes me mad is whenever Democrats color "outside the lines", it's totally overlooked. Like Biden saying it's a "national emergency" to dump the nations oil reserves right before an election. The SC would never touch that.
But Trump does something similar with tariffs and now the courts decide to get really in the weeds on when something is really an emergency.
Posted by: Leupold at November 17, 2025 11:36 AM (eIzlH)
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Trump, and MAGA, are both under attack from people who purport to be on the Right wing.
Expose or ignore them, especially if they are tiny and gay.
Expose or ignore them, especially if they are tiny and gay.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at November 17, 2025 11:37 AM (xcxpd)
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>> Prices are never going down, save for a depression type event.
Some will. Some have. Groceries are down. Gas is down. Rent has fallen more in the last 10 months than it did in the preceding 15 years.
This is exactly what I mean. People know stuff that isn't true because the media they hate tells them to believe it.
Some will. Some have. Groceries are down. Gas is down. Rent has fallen more in the last 10 months than it did in the preceding 15 years.
This is exactly what I mean. People know stuff that isn't true because the media they hate tells them to believe it.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2025 11:37 AM (viF8m)
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On the gripping hand...
Reduce the power of government to intervene in American's lives (most often evidenced in economic activity) and you solve (at least reduce) a whole host of problems: graft, regulation, "oversight" (spying), etc.
Reduce the power of government to intervene in American's lives (most often evidenced in economic activity) and you solve (at least reduce) a whole host of problems: graft, regulation, "oversight" (spying), etc.
Posted by: GWB at November 17, 2025 11:38 AM (WCyKN)
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Was in your neck of the woods this weekend taking the FiL back home.
Boy was he a drama queen when I dropped him off........
Posted by: Sponge
Honk next time. LOL. 😂
Boy was he a drama queen when I dropped him off........
Posted by: Sponge
Honk next time. LOL. 😂
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2025 11:38 AM (cIxJn)
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Jesse Hi-Jackson on life support this AM. Who will pick up the bloodied shirt?
Posted by: Al Sharptone Next? at November 17, 2025 11:38 AM (oftw2)
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5 dozen eggs are Costco are $10. That's a huge drop in price and that's with the stupid ass chickenshit laws in WA state.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at November 17, 2025 11:38 AM (xcxpd)
Posted by: man at November 17, 2025 11:38 AM (XuXeR)
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Was in your neck of the woods this weekend taking the FiL back home.
Boy was he a drama queen when I dropped him off........
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 17, 2025 11:36 AM (Zz0t1)
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We Fathers in Law are to be allowed our Moments.
Boy was he a drama queen when I dropped him off........
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 17, 2025 11:36 AM (Zz0t1)
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We Fathers in Law are to be allowed our Moments.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 17, 2025 11:38 AM (9ipOP)
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My family of four (wife and two kids) met up last summer in San Antonio where the younger kid goes to college.
The older kid lives several states away, and wanted to see the family dogs, so we decided to bring them with us and looked for a pet-friendly VRBO or Air B&B.
I was amazed at the number of online offerings near downtown SA. Driving into the neighborhood of early 20th century bungalows it occurred to me that every house must be either a rental or deferred-maintenance crackhouse.
I may be exaggerating, but it seems worth a study about the availability of "starter homes" in prime locations.
The older kid lives several states away, and wanted to see the family dogs, so we decided to bring them with us and looked for a pet-friendly VRBO or Air B&B.
I was amazed at the number of online offerings near downtown SA. Driving into the neighborhood of early 20th century bungalows it occurred to me that every house must be either a rental or deferred-maintenance crackhouse.
I may be exaggerating, but it seems worth a study about the availability of "starter homes" in prime locations.
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at November 17, 2025 11:38 AM (GD2xa)
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"I’ve noticed that the globalist, legacy-conservative adversaries of Trump who have opposed Trump’s America-first agenda are now squawking in unison, “It’s the economy, stupid” in a false flag attempt to get him to reopen the border, stop tariffs, and outsource American jobs."
One thing Trump is not going to do is open the border back up like biden did. I am sure the next democrat president will fling the doors wide open on the southern border the first day in office but Trump isn't going to budge on this.
One thing Trump is not going to do is open the border back up like biden did. I am sure the next democrat president will fling the doors wide open on the southern border the first day in office but Trump isn't going to budge on this.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2025 11:39 AM (0N4FZ)
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We Fathers in Law are to be allowed our Moments.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 17, 2025 11:38 AM (9ipOP)
Just exactly how many of these "moments" are you allowed to have? Cuz that list thus far is long and distinguished.
We Fathers in Law are to be allowed our Moments.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 17, 2025 11:38 AM (9ipOP)
Just exactly how many of these "moments" are you allowed to have? Cuz that list thus far is long and distinguished.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 17, 2025 11:39 AM (Zz0t1)
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Bessent: $2K tariff checks would go to ‘working families’. They’re bluffing. It will literally never happen. They’re lying about these checks just like Elon lied about the Doge checks.
Idk. Could go either way tbh. What happened after the Covid stimulus checks? Unfettered inflation. Cruelty is the point with this administration. I wouldn’t put it past them.
don’t forget the PPP checks for companies connected to members of Congress and Trump’s buddies, no investigations, all forgiven.
My monthly healthcare payment is currently $800/month and as of January 2026 it’s going up to $3,200/month. A one time $2,000 payment isn’t going to help jack shit.
I see the US Empire is at the "bread and circuses" stage of trying to appease the masses. And only working families? What about the people who can't afford to work and could use that money?
Tariff checks will never happen, they're rhetorical bait. There's evidence that much of the extra tariffs were never collected. Trump probably thinks tariff revenue goes directly into the president's pockets. Trump isn't giving away money he got for free, even if it did exist.
Idk. Could go either way tbh. What happened after the Covid stimulus checks? Unfettered inflation. Cruelty is the point with this administration. I wouldn’t put it past them.
don’t forget the PPP checks for companies connected to members of Congress and Trump’s buddies, no investigations, all forgiven.
My monthly healthcare payment is currently $800/month and as of January 2026 it’s going up to $3,200/month. A one time $2,000 payment isn’t going to help jack shit.
I see the US Empire is at the "bread and circuses" stage of trying to appease the masses. And only working families? What about the people who can't afford to work and could use that money?
Tariff checks will never happen, they're rhetorical bait. There's evidence that much of the extra tariffs were never collected. Trump probably thinks tariff revenue goes directly into the president's pockets. Trump isn't giving away money he got for free, even if it did exist.
Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at November 17, 2025 11:39 AM (JCZqz)
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and you solve (at least reduce) a whole host of problems: graft, regulation, "oversight" (spying), etc."
Right there you'd reduce pressure, as that $$$ comes from somewhere...
Right there you'd reduce pressure, as that $$$ comes from somewhere...
Posted by: man at November 17, 2025 11:39 AM (XuXeR)
Posted by: Halfhand at November 17, 2025 11:39 AM (1BSVJ)
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The Left is endlessly searching for their Covid event to derail Trump. They tried the shutdown. They're trying Carlson-Fuentes. And keep circling back to Epstein. It never ends. It's their entire collective life mission.
Posted by: Ordinary American at November 17, 2025 11:40 AM (VnsnO)
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Trump, and MAGA, are both under attack from people who purport to be on the Right wing.
Expose or ignore them, especially if they are tiny and gay.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at November 17, 2025 11:37 AM (xcxpd)
Moby's are back, jack!
Even on this here blog.
Expose or ignore them, especially if they are tiny and gay.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at November 17, 2025 11:37 AM (xcxpd)
Moby's are back, jack!
Even on this here blog.
Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2025 11:40 AM (iJfKG)
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@95
Younger voters rightly feel as though the promises they were sold were outright lies, and now they struggle to obtain a steady job and a house to raise a family in.
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You are partially correct.. Going to a party school and majoring in women's studies was never going to make money no matter how few immigrants there are
Younger voters rightly feel as though the promises they were sold were outright lies, and now they struggle to obtain a steady job and a house to raise a family in.
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You are partially correct.. Going to a party school and majoring in women's studies was never going to make money no matter how few immigrants there are
Posted by: anon2020 at November 17, 2025 11:40 AM (RqMDa)
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The leftists I know on Facebook especially white women are still screeching about Epstein.
And when it comes out and nothing points to Trump, they'll move on to the next shiny.
I wonder if the Roman Empire had its version of AWFLs that hastened the decline?
And when it comes out and nothing points to Trump, they'll move on to the next shiny.
I wonder if the Roman Empire had its version of AWFLs that hastened the decline?
Posted by: NR Pax at November 17, 2025 11:40 AM (lXoJ5)
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Don't buy Christmas stuff early. Just don't buy stuff. Christmas needs to get back to a couple of toys for the kids and some fruit for meemaw and peepaw. Everyone has too much shit. And yall, the youngins can't afford houses. I don't know if that's been stated. A few times. But then they'll be drowning in credit card debt for the holidays.
Posted by: NCKate at November 17, 2025 11:40 AM (uQzkA)
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132 My monthly healthcare payment is currently $800/month and as of January 2026 it’s going up to $3,200/month. A one time $2,000 payment isn’t going to help jack shit.
Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at November 17, 2025 11:39 AM (JCZqz)
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This person is a racism using racist dog whistles to signal that Obama isn't American because he thinks that Obama didn't fix healthcare with the ACA.
Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at November 17, 2025 11:39 AM (JCZqz)
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This person is a racism using racist dog whistles to signal that Obama isn't American because he thinks that Obama didn't fix healthcare with the ACA.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:41 AM (GBKbO)
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Whatever happened to TACO Trump? Is that still a thing?
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at November 17, 2025 11:41 AM (jM63s)
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I’m sticking with the wisdom of President Trump. He has won every battle so far. Remember destruction is so much easier and faster than construction.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at November 17, 2025 11:16 AM (xvV+O)
As someone on the intertubes observed many years ago about Che the T-Shirt Salesman (an observation that I shamelessly stole), blowing up trains is a hell of a lot more fun than making them run on time.
I’m sticking with the wisdom of President Trump. He has won every battle so far. Remember destruction is so much easier and faster than construction.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at November 17, 2025 11:16 AM (xvV+O)
As someone on the intertubes observed many years ago about Che the T-Shirt Salesman (an observation that I shamelessly stole), blowing up trains is a hell of a lot more fun than making them run on time.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 17, 2025 11:41 AM (y9nCu)
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119 On a side note: buy Christmas stuff now. There will be shortages"
Don't get my hopes up....
Posted by: man at November 17, 2025 11:35 AM (XuXeR)
Christmas will be incredibly light this year as I don't have any extra $$$ to spend.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 17, 2025 11:36 AM (Zz0t1)
Same probably here...with 2 wrecked cars (and only one replacement - gonna wait til spring and tax refund for #2 b/c wrecked cars don't fully fund new cars) and all of this month's salary challenges are gonna mean a little lighter, but still really good holiday b/c Christmas is Christmas no matter the presents
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Don't get my hopes up....
Posted by: man at November 17, 2025 11:35 AM (XuXeR)
Christmas will be incredibly light this year as I don't have any extra $$$ to spend.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 17, 2025 11:36 AM (Zz0t1)
Same probably here...with 2 wrecked cars (and only one replacement - gonna wait til spring and tax refund for #2 b/c wrecked cars don't fully fund new cars) and all of this month's salary challenges are gonna mean a little lighter, but still really good holiday b/c Christmas is Christmas no matter the presents
...Posted by: Nova Local at November 17, 2025 11:41 AM (tOcjL)
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Christmas will be incredibly light this year as I don't have any extra $$$ to spend.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer
Shit! Another Christmas present I won't be getting, I guess.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer
Shit! Another Christmas present I won't be getting, I guess.
Posted by: Very Fixed Income at November 17, 2025 11:41 AM (oftw2)
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138 The leftists I know on Facebook especially white women are still screeching about Epstein.
And when it comes out and nothing points to Trump, they'll move on to the next shiny.
I wonder if the Roman Empire had its version of AWFLs that hastened the decline?
Posted by: NR Pax at November 17, 2025 11:40 AM (lXoJ5)
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Vance will be in the Epstein files even though he was never in the same building as Epstein in his life.
And when it comes out and nothing points to Trump, they'll move on to the next shiny.
I wonder if the Roman Empire had its version of AWFLs that hastened the decline?
Posted by: NR Pax at November 17, 2025 11:40 AM (lXoJ5)
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Vance will be in the Epstein files even though he was never in the same building as Epstein in his life.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:41 AM (GBKbO)
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All of a sudden, female cow worker is 'concerned' veterans get too many benefits.
Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2025 11:07 AM (LHPAg)
Tell her to jog across the parking lot while you pop off a few rounds near her. Then ask her if veterans get too many benefits.
Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2025 11:07 AM (LHPAg)
Tell her to jog across the parking lot while you pop off a few rounds near her. Then ask her if veterans get too many benefits.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 17, 2025 11:42 AM (ExV1e)
147
Trump, and MAGA, are both under attack from people who purport to be on the Right wing.
Expose or ignore them, especially if they are tiny and gay.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at November 17, 2025 11:37 AM (xcxpd)
Moby's are back, jack!
Even on this here blog.
Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2025 11:40 AM (iJfKG)
Yep, there are trolls here
Expose or ignore them, especially if they are tiny and gay.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at November 17, 2025 11:37 AM (xcxpd)
Moby's are back, jack!
Even on this here blog.
Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2025 11:40 AM (iJfKG)
Yep, there are trolls here
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at November 17, 2025 11:42 AM (xcxpd)
148
I wonder if the Roman Empire had its version of AWFLs that hastened the decline?"
Well, Gibbons seemed to dance around that...
Well, Gibbons seemed to dance around that...
Posted by: man at November 17, 2025 11:42 AM (XuXeR)
149
Just exactly how many of these "moments" are you allowed to have? Cuz that list thus far is long and distinguished.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 17, 2025 11:39 AM (Zz0t1)
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I'll just say what my FiL said to me: "Don't take a tone with me, young man!"
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 17, 2025 11:39 AM (Zz0t1)
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I'll just say what my FiL said to me: "Don't take a tone with me, young man!"
Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 17, 2025 11:42 AM (9ipOP)
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147 Yep, there are trolls here
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at November 17, 2025 11:42 AM (xcxpd)
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I've never denied it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at November 17, 2025 11:42 AM (xcxpd)
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I've never denied it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:42 AM (GBKbO)
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Some will. Some have. Groceries are down. Gas is down. Rent has fallen more in the last 10 months than it did in the preceding 15 years.
This is exactly what I mean. People know stuff that isn't true because the media they hate tells them to believe it.
Posted by: JackStraw
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Some people have unrealistic expectations. Like we're not going back to Pre-Covid prices across the board, ever.
There's all sorts of other reason prices go up beyond just monetary inflation, but the reality is your dollar from 2019 is worth about 50 cents today.
This is exactly what I mean. People know stuff that isn't true because the media they hate tells them to believe it.
Posted by: JackStraw
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Some people have unrealistic expectations. Like we're not going back to Pre-Covid prices across the board, ever.
There's all sorts of other reason prices go up beyond just monetary inflation, but the reality is your dollar from 2019 is worth about 50 cents today.
Posted by: Leupold at November 17, 2025 11:43 AM (eIzlH)
152
I did think it was a little too on the nose when the Ford CEO made a speech complaining that he was 5000 mechanics short and "America is in trouble."
Can you imagine all H1-Bs working on your Mustang?!
Posted by: Random PJ at November 17, 2025 11:09 AM (RRCAT)
Ford's biggest problem is its president. True for GM and Chrysler, too.
Can you imagine all H1-Bs working on your Mustang?!
Posted by: Random PJ at November 17, 2025 11:09 AM (RRCAT)
Ford's biggest problem is its president. True for GM and Chrysler, too.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2025 11:43 AM (npFr7)
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“Affordable Housing” is a pipe dream. It is what people want to hear. But it will never happen. Unless you want to live in a Soviet style concrete block.
The answer of course is to raise wages, get people employed in good careers, by lifting people (truly) out of poverty.
But that doesn’t square with importing millions of low wage illiterate illegals, or strangling domestic energy production, or turning out ignorant high school “graduates” who can’t even perform basic arithmetic, never mind math.
The answer of course is to raise wages, get people employed in good careers, by lifting people (truly) out of poverty.
But that doesn’t square with importing millions of low wage illiterate illegals, or strangling domestic energy production, or turning out ignorant high school “graduates” who can’t even perform basic arithmetic, never mind math.
Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2025 11:43 AM (tJ+Xw)
154
Part of the economy is to wait on the better news to come. Things are in place, but it takes time to be seen. The bigger challenge is that the vacillating tariff rates are creating massive issues for businesses.
Trump needs to get his fixed tariff rates in place by end of first quarter 26. And then hope all the other good stuff that is happening starts to be felt by the voting populace.
Trump needs to get his fixed tariff rates in place by end of first quarter 26. And then hope all the other good stuff that is happening starts to be felt by the voting populace.
Posted by: Black JEM at November 17, 2025 11:43 AM (GZYu7)
Posted by: man at November 17, 2025 11:44 AM (XuXeR)
156
125 Jesse Hi-Jackson on life support this AM. Who will pick up the bloodied shirt?
Posted by: Al Sharptone Next? at November 17, 2025 11:38 AM (oftw2)
Call in the the sign language dude and the Nigerian pallbearers.
Posted by: Al Sharptone Next? at November 17, 2025 11:38 AM (oftw2)
Call in the the sign language dude and the Nigerian pallbearers.
Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2025 11:44 AM (LHPAg)
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Shop labor rate = $150.00/hr
Mechanic's pay - $17.00/hr.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2025 11:14 AM (cIxJn)
What mechanic is getting only $17/hr? None of them (at dealerships) where I live.
Mechanic's pay - $17.00/hr.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2025 11:14 AM (cIxJn)
What mechanic is getting only $17/hr? None of them (at dealerships) where I live.
Posted by: GWB at November 17, 2025 11:44 AM (WCyKN)
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Same probably here...with 2 wrecked cars (and only one replacement - gonna wait til spring and tax refund for #2 b/c wrecked cars don't fully fund new cars) and all of this month's salary challenges are gonna mean a little lighter, but still really good holiday b/c Christmas is Christmas no matter the presents...
Posted by: Nova Local at November 17, 2025 11:41 AM (tOcjL)
We're still figuring out how we're going to pay the property taxes this year. Not sure if the company is going to let me cash in 40 hrs of vacation time again this year. Hope there's a CC with enough room to pay what we don't have in cash.
Posted by: Nova Local at November 17, 2025 11:41 AM (tOcjL)
We're still figuring out how we're going to pay the property taxes this year. Not sure if the company is going to let me cash in 40 hrs of vacation time again this year. Hope there's a CC with enough room to pay what we don't have in cash.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 17, 2025 11:44 AM (Zz0t1)
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It is the economy, no joke. When it comes to the election, the GOP is doomed next year unless the economy turns around. Which, it can, but its a matter of the transition we are currently going through being done by summer 2026.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2025 11:44 AM (dfIr7)
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121 Expose or ignore them, especially if they are tiny and gay.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at November 17, 2025 11:37 AM (xcxpd)
And a Mexican Catboy LARPing as the Grand Wizard of the KKK.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at November 17, 2025 11:37 AM (xcxpd)
And a Mexican Catboy LARPing as the Grand Wizard of the KKK.
Posted by: XTC at November 17, 2025 11:44 AM (UnA8+)
Posted by: man at November 17, 2025 11:44 AM (XuXeR)
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My monthly healthcare payment is currently $800/month and as of January 2026 it’s going up to $3,200/month. A one time $2,000 payment isn’t going to help jack shit.
Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at November 17, 2025 11:39 AM (JCZqz)
First they are exaggerating for effect.
Second they have no ability to determine cause and effect.
Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at November 17, 2025 11:39 AM (JCZqz)
First they are exaggerating for effect.
Second they have no ability to determine cause and effect.
Posted by: the way I see it at November 17, 2025 11:45 AM (EYmYM)
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Yep, there are trolls here
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at November 17, 2025 11:42 AM (xcxpd)
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I've never denied it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:42 AM (GBKbO)
I don't get it
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at November 17, 2025 11:42 AM (xcxpd)
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I've never denied it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:42 AM (GBKbO)
I don't get it
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at November 17, 2025 11:45 AM (xcxpd)
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Ford's biggest problem is its president. True for GM and Chrysler, too.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2025 11:43 AM (npFr7)
Ford needs to fire their entire executive board. They're a bunch of f*cking idiots that have NO CLUE about cars. And it shows.
Ford's biggest problem is its president. True for GM and Chrysler, too.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2025 11:43 AM (npFr7)
Ford needs to fire their entire executive board. They're a bunch of f*cking idiots that have NO CLUE about cars. And it shows.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 17, 2025 11:45 AM (Zz0t1)
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154 Part of the economy is to wait on the better news to come. Things are in place, but it takes time to be seen. The bigger challenge is that the vacillating tariff rates are creating massive issues for businesses.
Trump needs to get his fixed tariff rates in place by end of first quarter 26. And then hope all the other good stuff that is happening starts to be felt by the voting populace.
Posted by: Black JEM at November 17, 2025 11:43 AM (GZYu7)
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Rents are down 15% from 2022 as of September, all of that decrease happening this year.
People are seeing it now, right now.
But the narrative about "affordability" must be pushed no matter what.
It's like how the narrative of the great Biden economy led to Kamala Harris winning Iowa.
Trump needs to get his fixed tariff rates in place by end of first quarter 26. And then hope all the other good stuff that is happening starts to be felt by the voting populace.
Posted by: Black JEM at November 17, 2025 11:43 AM (GZYu7)
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Rents are down 15% from 2022 as of September, all of that decrease happening this year.
People are seeing it now, right now.
But the narrative about "affordability" must be pushed no matter what.
It's like how the narrative of the great Biden economy led to Kamala Harris winning Iowa.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:45 AM (GBKbO)
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Heh. At Twitchy there is a thread about Hakeem Jefferies office contacting Epstein after Epstein had been convicted. The Dems really aren't going to like the Epstein Files
Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 17, 2025 11:45 AM (bfwj/)
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166 Heh. At Twitchy there is a thread about Hakeem Jefferies office contacting Epstein after Epstein had been convicted. The Dems really aren't going to like the Epstein Files
Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 17, 2025 11:45 AM (bfwj/)
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"These are the real files! Release the real files!"
-100% probability
Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 17, 2025 11:45 AM (bfwj/)
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"These are the real files! Release the real files!"
-100% probability
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:46 AM (GBKbO)
168
I remember very well in 1983 how unbelievably bad the economy was and how by 1984 everyone voted for Reagan because he'd fixed it in most of the country (Oregon was still a disaster for a lot of local reasons). It can be done, but its a matter of timing.
There is a deliberate, specific effort by Democrat governors to tank the economy in their states, though. They know it hurts Trump.
There is a deliberate, specific effort by Democrat governors to tank the economy in their states, though. They know it hurts Trump.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2025 11:46 AM (dfIr7)
169
Yep, there are trolls here
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at November 17, 2025 11:42 AM (xcxpd)
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I've never denied it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:42 AM (GBKbO)
Well, to be fair...you're so obviously a troll that you're totally ineffective.
I mean..."Prometheus". C'mon, man!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at November 17, 2025 11:42 AM (xcxpd)
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I've never denied it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:42 AM (GBKbO)
Well, to be fair...you're so obviously a troll that you're totally ineffective.
I mean..."Prometheus". C'mon, man!
Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2025 11:46 AM (iJfKG)
170
Yep, there are trolls here
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at November 17, 2025 11:42 AM (xcxpd)
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I've never denied it.
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I admit I sometimes aren't sure whether a couple of the "regulars" are trolls or merely troll-adjacent.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at November 17, 2025 11:42 AM (xcxpd)
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I've never denied it.
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I admit I sometimes aren't sure whether a couple of the "regulars" are trolls or merely troll-adjacent.
Posted by: Crusader at November 17, 2025 11:46 AM (TN0g+)
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Last week we learned that the delgate from the USVI, Stacey Plaskett, was texting with Jeffrey Epstein while she was in a congressional hearing taking testimony from Michael Cohen to try and sink Trump for corruption. That happened.
And not a single rightwing "influencer" has said shit. If you think you are being played it's because you are being played.
And not a single rightwing "influencer" has said shit. If you think you are being played it's because you are being played.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2025 11:47 AM (viF8m)
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I've already seen one person claiming that VA was won because the dems focused on the economy.
Posted by: NR Pax at November 17, 2025 11:12 AM (lXoJ5)
Passed over for a promotion? Having trouble getting hired? I've got a solution to what ails ya. -- Jay Jones
Posted by: NR Pax at November 17, 2025 11:12 AM (lXoJ5)
Passed over for a promotion? Having trouble getting hired? I've got a solution to what ails ya. -- Jay Jones
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 17, 2025 11:47 AM (ExV1e)
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"What about the people who can't afford to work and could use that money?"
Some people claim there's no such thing as Peak Retard. Some people claim there is but it's far, far into the future.
I'm here to tell you all, this, right here, is Peak Retard. It has been achieved.
Some people claim there's no such thing as Peak Retard. Some people claim there is but it's far, far into the future.
I'm here to tell you all, this, right here, is Peak Retard. It has been achieved.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2025 11:47 AM (JwNbV)
Posted by: one hour sober at November 17, 2025 11:47 AM (Y1sOo)
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159 It is the economy, no joke. When it comes to the election, the GOP is doomed next year unless the economy turns around. Which, it can, but its a matter of the transition we are currently going through being done by summer 2026.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2025 11:44 AM (dfIr7)
Are you worse off now than under Biden ? Do you also think it was the Republicans that shut down the government so they could give illegal aliens more benefits?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2025 11:44 AM (dfIr7)
Are you worse off now than under Biden ? Do you also think it was the Republicans that shut down the government so they could give illegal aliens more benefits?
Posted by: the way I see it at November 17, 2025 11:47 AM (EYmYM)
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There is a deliberate, specific effort by Democrat governors to tank the economy in their states, though. They know it hurts Trump.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2025 11:46 AM (dfIr7)
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Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at November 17, 2025 11:47 AM (KqoM7)
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170 I admit I sometimes aren't sure whether a couple of the "regulars" are trolls or merely troll-adjacent.
Posted by: Crusader at November 17, 2025 11:46 AM (TN0g+)
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I'm mostly just an illiterate asshole.
Posted by: Crusader at November 17, 2025 11:46 AM (TN0g+)
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I'm mostly just an illiterate asshole.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:47 AM (GBKbO)
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The leftists I know on Facebook especially white women are still screeching about Epstein.
And when it comes out and nothing points to Trump, they'll move on to the next shiny.
I wonder if the Roman Empire had its version of AWFLs that hastened the decline?
Posted by: NR Pax
They run like vampires from Holy Water when you ask them "why didn't Biden release the files to stop Trump from winning?"
And when it comes out and nothing points to Trump, they'll move on to the next shiny.
I wonder if the Roman Empire had its version of AWFLs that hastened the decline?
Posted by: NR Pax
They run like vampires from Holy Water when you ask them "why didn't Biden release the files to stop Trump from winning?"
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2025 11:47 AM (cIxJn)
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It’s immigration, stupid.
He ran on and won on immigration. Praising H1B, boasting about processing naturalizations fast and importing 600k Chinese students is not what people voted for.
He ran on and won on immigration. Praising H1B, boasting about processing naturalizations fast and importing 600k Chinese students is not what people voted for.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at November 17, 2025 11:48 AM (u9SGQ)
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Congress isn't smart enough to handle tariffs.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2025 11:27 AM (cIxJn)
Or taxes. Or thousands of other things, but here we are.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2025 11:27 AM (cIxJn)
Or taxes. Or thousands of other things, but here we are.
Posted by: runner at November 17, 2025 11:48 AM (g47mK)
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“Affordable Housing” is a pipe dream. It is what people want to hear. But it will never happen. Unless you want to live in a Soviet style concrete block.
The answer of course is to raise wages, get people employed in good careers, by lifting people (truly) out of poverty.
But that doesn’t square with importing millions of low wage illiterate illegals, or strangling domestic energy production, or turning out ignorant high school “graduates” who can’t even perform basic arithmetic, never mind math.
Posted by: Common Tater
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I disagree in that housing WAS affordable for most of my adult life once you got outside the usual culprits that were known to be ultra expensive. Now it's not.
Average age of a first time home buyer is now 40? That's absurd. and rentals are also at nosebleed levels (despite coming downs somewhat)
It's fueling the rise of socialism in young americans. Same with student loans.
You become a Republican very quickly when you own your own home.
I would focus on this like a laser.
The answer of course is to raise wages, get people employed in good careers, by lifting people (truly) out of poverty.
But that doesn’t square with importing millions of low wage illiterate illegals, or strangling domestic energy production, or turning out ignorant high school “graduates” who can’t even perform basic arithmetic, never mind math.
Posted by: Common Tater
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I disagree in that housing WAS affordable for most of my adult life once you got outside the usual culprits that were known to be ultra expensive. Now it's not.
Average age of a first time home buyer is now 40? That's absurd. and rentals are also at nosebleed levels (despite coming downs somewhat)
It's fueling the rise of socialism in young americans. Same with student loans.
You become a Republican very quickly when you own your own home.
I would focus on this like a laser.
Posted by: Leupold at November 17, 2025 11:48 AM (eIzlH)
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"I wonder if the Roman Empire had its version of AWFLs that hastened the decline?"
They were called "Temple Prostitutes."
They were called "Temple Prostitutes."
Posted by: no one at November 17, 2025 11:49 AM (W7XSX)
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Rents are down 15% from 2022 as of September, all of that decrease happening this year.
People are seeing it now, right now.
But the narrative about "affordability" must be pushed no matter what.
It's like how the narrative of the great Biden economy led to Kamala Harris winning Iowa.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:45 AM (GBKbO)
On rent - they are pretty much stable from 2024 to 2025, so Trump won't get a lot of positive coverage for that - some places are down (the inner city/illegal areas), but others are up, and the overall is a very slight decrease (per AI)...
People are seeing it now, right now.
But the narrative about "affordability" must be pushed no matter what.
It's like how the narrative of the great Biden economy led to Kamala Harris winning Iowa.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:45 AM (GBKbO)
On rent - they are pretty much stable from 2024 to 2025, so Trump won't get a lot of positive coverage for that - some places are down (the inner city/illegal areas), but others are up, and the overall is a very slight decrease (per AI)...
Posted by: Nova Local at November 17, 2025 11:49 AM (tOcjL)
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Yeah the Democrats were getting texts from Epstein on how to damage and harm President Trump. Because they are such good buddies and Epstein totally had dirt on Trump and didn't tell anyone LOL
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2025 11:49 AM (dfIr7)
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My my, how can I forget you? (Get it now?) 😀
Posted by: Piper at November 17, 2025 11:27 AM (/sySz)
sadly, no
Posted by: Piper at November 17, 2025 11:27 AM (/sySz)
sadly, no
Posted by: kallisto at November 17, 2025 11:49 AM (dCxaZ)
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I admit I sometimes aren't sure whether a couple of the "regulars" are trolls or merely troll-adjacent.
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Good Lord, what happened to my ability to use the English language? That sentence is a train wreck.
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Good Lord, what happened to my ability to use the English language? That sentence is a train wreck.
Posted by: Crusader at November 17, 2025 11:50 AM (TN0g+)
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JJ this AM
In a working paper published on Thursday, San Francisco Fed researchers Régis Barnichon and Aayush Singh said higher tariffs lead to reduced economic activity, higher unemployment and lower inflation in the short term.
“The inflation response goes against the predictions of standard models, whereby CPI inflation should go up in response to higher tariffs,” they wrote. “Instead, tariff shocks appear to act as aggregate demand shocks—moving inflation and unemployment in the same directions.”
Before World War II, they found that a permanent 4-percentage-point increase in the tariff rate reduced inflation by 2 percentage points and raised unemployment by about 1 percentage point.
So if you can weather these numbers, Tariffs do slow Inflation.
In a working paper published on Thursday, San Francisco Fed researchers Régis Barnichon and Aayush Singh said higher tariffs lead to reduced economic activity, higher unemployment and lower inflation in the short term.
“The inflation response goes against the predictions of standard models, whereby CPI inflation should go up in response to higher tariffs,” they wrote. “Instead, tariff shocks appear to act as aggregate demand shocks—moving inflation and unemployment in the same directions.”
Before World War II, they found that a permanent 4-percentage-point increase in the tariff rate reduced inflation by 2 percentage points and raised unemployment by about 1 percentage point.
So if you can weather these numbers, Tariffs do slow Inflation.
Posted by: r hennigantx at November 17, 2025 11:50 AM (gbOdA)
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My big Christmas thrill is when Santa comes down my street on a decorated fire truck. Only about a month to go. I may egg him.
Posted by: Poor Boy From A Poor Family at November 17, 2025 11:50 AM (oftw2)
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I am starting my Christmas stocking purchases. We always do a lot of fun, silly gifts for those and it is inevitably one of the big highlights. I try to find unusual things for each stocking, I think have just as much fun searching for things as they do opening them.
Posted by: Piper at November 17, 2025 11:50 AM (aT5K/)
Posted by: kallisto at November 17, 2025 11:50 AM (dCxaZ)
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I wonder if the Roman Empire had its version of AWFLs that hastened the decline?
Roman upper class Matrons were infamously destructive and awful so... yes.
Are you worse off now than under Biden ?
Its not about what you or I think, or even objectively what the truth is. Its what low info voters think.
Roman upper class Matrons were infamously destructive and awful so... yes.
Are you worse off now than under Biden ?
Its not about what you or I think, or even objectively what the truth is. Its what low info voters think.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2025 11:51 AM (dfIr7)
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185 My my, how can I forget you? (Get it now?) 😀
Posted by: Piper at November 17, 2025 11:27 AM (/sySz)
sadly, no
Posted by: kallisto at November
ABBA lyrics for Mamma Mia.
185 My my, how can I forget you? (Get it now?) 😀
Posted by: Piper at November 17, 2025 11:27 AM (/sySz)
sadly, no
Posted by: kallisto at November
ABBA lyrics for Mamma Mia.
Posted by: Piper at November 17, 2025 11:51 AM (aT5K/)
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Barky O was successful beyond anyone's expectations when he promised to fundamentally transform the US.
That's what we're seeing now.
That's what we're seeing now.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at November 17, 2025 11:51 AM (g8Ew8)
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My Public Service Message for the upcoming Christmas season & holiday:
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You're welcome -- we now resume our regularly-scheduled mostly-human-generated (for now) commentary ...
My Public Service Message for the upcoming Christmas season & holiday:
DO NOT BUT "AI" TOY DEVICES FOR YOUR CHILDREN!
You're welcome -- we now resume our regularly-scheduled mostly-human-generated (for now) commentary ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at November 17, 2025 11:51 AM (KqoM7)
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wait - I even forgot the meme:
"I don't get it".
Posted by: kallisto at November 17, 2025 11:50 AM (dCxaZ)
I don't get it........
"I don't get it".
Posted by: kallisto at November 17, 2025 11:50 AM (dCxaZ)
I don't get it........
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 17, 2025 11:51 AM (Zz0t1)
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Republicans are never willing to "walk the plank" like Democrats are for their policy goals. Dems knew they'd get slaughtered for ObamaCare in the next election, but they did it anyway.
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Democrats will go scorched-earth because they believe, with good reason, that the Republicans won't undo it. Republicans, at least non-'tarded ones, know they can pass it but believe that the Democrats will get rid of the filibuster and nuke it all given half a chance. That's why Republicans can't hold onto gains for very long.
But I find myself wondering, what would it look like if both parties were willing to run scorched earth every time, with no attempts at collegiality? Would it just be non-stop escalation, or would it cause some modicum of sanity via MAD?
(Shrug)
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Democrats will go scorched-earth because they believe, with good reason, that the Republicans won't undo it. Republicans, at least non-'tarded ones, know they can pass it but believe that the Democrats will get rid of the filibuster and nuke it all given half a chance. That's why Republicans can't hold onto gains for very long.
But I find myself wondering, what would it look like if both parties were willing to run scorched earth every time, with no attempts at collegiality? Would it just be non-stop escalation, or would it cause some modicum of sanity via MAD?
(Shrug)
Posted by: Cold Rage at November 17, 2025 11:51 AM (HoO28)
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Worst case scenario is probably, "Lower courts, you did this all wrong. You have to consider every tariff's merits individually. Go do that."
All while signaling to Trump that he can just change the reasoning of the tariffs to other legal authorities that keep them in place.
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Remember when they decided Obamacare because it was a tax?
An argument not made below?
Because they have this rule that "if we want to, we'll make up a basis for justifying the ruling."
(I mean, not really, but sorta really.)
And Trump has already said there are other statutes which support his actions. IIRC, to SCOTUS, as well.
Expect lots of howling from the left as the rule that saved their precious O-care is turned against them.
All while signaling to Trump that he can just change the reasoning of the tariffs to other legal authorities that keep them in place.
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Remember when they decided Obamacare because it was a tax?
An argument not made below?
Because they have this rule that "if we want to, we'll make up a basis for justifying the ruling."
(I mean, not really, but sorta really.)
And Trump has already said there are other statutes which support his actions. IIRC, to SCOTUS, as well.
Expect lots of howling from the left as the rule that saved their precious O-care is turned against them.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 17, 2025 11:51 AM (ot33c)
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One nice thing about getting old is health insurance only costs about $450 per month, per person.
Posted by: Oglebay at November 17, 2025 11:52 AM (2ap+5)
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191 I wonder if the Roman Empire had its version of AWFLs that hastened the decline?
Roman upper class Matrons were infamously destructive and awful so... yes.
Are you worse off now than under Biden ?
Its not about what you or I think, or even objectively what the truth is. Its what low info voters think.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2025 11:51 AM (dfIr7)
And thus the need to change tone at the top and national focus to a positive. LIVs sense negative and vote accordingly...or don't at all as seen this month...
Roman upper class Matrons were infamously destructive and awful so... yes.
Are you worse off now than under Biden ?
Its not about what you or I think, or even objectively what the truth is. Its what low info voters think.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2025 11:51 AM (dfIr7)
And thus the need to change tone at the top and national focus to a positive. LIVs sense negative and vote accordingly...or don't at all as seen this month...
Posted by: Nova Local at November 17, 2025 11:52 AM (tOcjL)
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>>I would focus on this like a laser.
What do you suppose will happen to the prices of housing, food and just about everything when millions of people are removed from the US?
You don't even need to be an economics major like AOC to know when you cut demand prices fall.
What do you suppose will happen to the prices of housing, food and just about everything when millions of people are removed from the US?
You don't even need to be an economics major like AOC to know when you cut demand prices fall.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2025 11:52 AM (viF8m)
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190 wait - I even forgot the meme:
"I don't get it".
Posted by: kallisto at November 17, 2025 11:50 AM (dCxaZ)
Hey.
"I don't get it".
Posted by: kallisto at November 17, 2025 11:50 AM (dCxaZ)
Hey.
Posted by: XTC at November 17, 2025 11:52 AM (UnA8+)
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Maybe it's time for a Trump national address. The country seems to need a good talking to.
Posted by: Ordinary American at November 17, 2025 11:52 AM (VnsnO)
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If I'm honest, I think Supreme Court should rightly overturn that whole tariff law and flat out say Congress can't give away its Constitutional powers without an amendment to that doc...
Posted by: Nova Local at November 17, 2025 11:27 AM (tOcjL)
Man, people would be lining up to challenge all the enabling acts Congress has passed in the last 50 years. 80% of non-defense government would be targeted.
Posted by: Nova Local at November 17, 2025 11:27 AM (tOcjL)
Man, people would be lining up to challenge all the enabling acts Congress has passed in the last 50 years. 80% of non-defense government would be targeted.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 17, 2025 11:53 AM (ExV1e)
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Only about a month to go. I may egg him.
Posted by: Poor Boy From A Poor Family at November 17, 2025 11:50 AM (oftw2)
In my neighborhood he be comin in a MRAP with twin 50s and 2 M110 SASS Marines.
Posted by: Poor Boy From A Poor Family at November 17, 2025 11:50 AM (oftw2)
In my neighborhood he be comin in a MRAP with twin 50s and 2 M110 SASS Marines.
Posted by: r hennigantx at November 17, 2025 11:53 AM (gbOdA)
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*DO NOT BUY ... damn auto-cucumber!
Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at November 17, 2025 11:53 AM (KqoM7)
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146 All of a sudden, female cow worker is 'concerned' veterans get too many benefits.
Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2025 11:07 AM (LHPAg)
Tell her to jog across the parking lot while you pop off a few rounds near her. Then ask her if veterans get too many benefits.
Not likely in any situation, not even this one.
Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2025 11:07 AM (LHPAg)
Tell her to jog across the parking lot while you pop off a few rounds near her. Then ask her if veterans get too many benefits.
Not likely in any situation, not even this one.
Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2025 11:53 AM (LHPAg)
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Excellent article, Buck. Thanks.
When are 'legitimate' citizens going to get 'educated' and track, for example -
>American Rescue Plan funding is being (has been) spent in their state, county. (ARPA funds to be obligated NLT December 31, 2024. Funds must be spent no later than December 31, 2026.) There's the alleged ACA bailout, subsidiaries.
>The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA) Funding Status. Money - including for $350 mil. in federal highway programs - expected to be obligated by the end September 30, 2026, as this is when the law's authorization period expires.
>Opioid settlement funds, totaling over $50 billion nationwide, from legal cases against opioid manufacturers, distributors, and pharmacies that are specifically dedicated to combating the opioid epidemic through prevention, treatment, and recovery efforts. Most of these funds are being distributed to state and local governments over nearly two decades.
It's from settlements with companies including Purdue Pharma/Sackler family, Teva, Allergan, CVS, Walgreens, Walmart, and more.
opiate settlement tracker dot com. (remove spaces)
>Non-profit Fraud and Misappropriation
🤷♀️
When are 'legitimate' citizens going to get 'educated' and track, for example -
>American Rescue Plan funding is being (has been) spent in their state, county. (ARPA funds to be obligated NLT December 31, 2024. Funds must be spent no later than December 31, 2026.) There's the alleged ACA bailout, subsidiaries.
>The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act (IIJA) Funding Status. Money - including for $350 mil. in federal highway programs - expected to be obligated by the end September 30, 2026, as this is when the law's authorization period expires.
>Opioid settlement funds, totaling over $50 billion nationwide, from legal cases against opioid manufacturers, distributors, and pharmacies that are specifically dedicated to combating the opioid epidemic through prevention, treatment, and recovery efforts. Most of these funds are being distributed to state and local governments over nearly two decades.
It's from settlements with companies including Purdue Pharma/Sackler family, Teva, Allergan, CVS, Walgreens, Walmart, and more.
opiate settlement tracker dot com. (remove spaces)
>Non-profit Fraud and Misappropriation
🤷♀️
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at November 17, 2025 11:53 AM (NFX2v)
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203 If I'm honest, I think Supreme Court should rightly overturn that whole tariff law and flat out say Congress can't give away its Constitutional powers without an amendment to that doc...
Posted by: Nova Local at November 17, 2025 11:27 AM (tOcjL)
Man, people would be lining up to challenge all the enabling acts Congress has passed in the last 50 years. 80% of non-defense government would be targeted.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 17, 2025 11:53 AM (ExV1e)
And that would be a good thing...even if a messy thing...
Posted by: Nova Local at November 17, 2025 11:27 AM (tOcjL)
Man, people would be lining up to challenge all the enabling acts Congress has passed in the last 50 years. 80% of non-defense government would be targeted.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 17, 2025 11:53 AM (ExV1e)
And that would be a good thing...even if a messy thing...
Posted by: Nova Local at November 17, 2025 11:54 AM (tOcjL)
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Expect lots of howling from the left as the rule that saved their precious O-care is turned against them.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 17, 2025 11:51 AM (ot33c)
O Care was meant to fail then then TA FUCKIN DA
Socialism
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 17, 2025 11:51 AM (ot33c)
O Care was meant to fail then then TA FUCKIN DA
Socialism
Posted by: r hennigantx at November 17, 2025 11:54 AM (gbOdA)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 17, 2025 11:54 AM (bFu5X)
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Objectively, tariffs are congressional, and not executive, so it is not proper for the president to be setting and changing them. No constitutional amendment was passed to shift that to the president, but congress passed a law saying "we don't want to do this so you can".
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2025 11:55 AM (dfIr7)
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Charles W Cooke is a self avowed never Trumper who endorsed Harris, on Megyn Kelly’s podcast
Posted by: Jonah at November 17, 2025 11:32 AM (YCxFk)
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I believe this is false. Cooke was consistently very critical om Kumlala, calling her an "empty vessel".
Posted by: Jonah at November 17, 2025 11:32 AM (YCxFk)
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I believe this is false. Cooke was consistently very critical om Kumlala, calling her an "empty vessel".
Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2025 11:55 AM (4nH0q)
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189 I am starting my Christmas stocking purchases. We always do a lot of fun, silly gifts for those and it is inevitably one of the big highlights. I try to find unusual things for each stocking, I think have just as much fun searching for things as they do opening them.
Posted by: Piper
Coal is still cheap, or you can walk the Norfolk Southern tracks and pick it up for free!
Posted by: Piper
Coal is still cheap, or you can walk the Norfolk Southern tracks and pick it up for free!
Posted by: Keeps You Warm, Too at November 17, 2025 11:55 AM (oftw2)
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>>Yep, there are trolls here
More like attention whores
Posted by: one hour sober at November 17, 2025 11:47 AM (Y1sOo)
Don't forget the doom goblins and drama queens.
More like attention whores
Posted by: one hour sober at November 17, 2025 11:47 AM (Y1sOo)
Don't forget the doom goblins and drama queens.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 17, 2025 11:55 AM (dK+Kv)
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They do have a book that tells them how long a specific job takes, regardless the ACTUAL time taken for the job.
So, a mechanic can do 85 hours of book work in one 40 hour work week and get paid the 85 hours worth.
That's usually why dealer work sucks. They're in a hurry.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 17, 2025 11:29 AM (Zz0t1)
The flat rate books are basically mythology. The times are based upon doing the job in a dealer facility, with all the brand-specific tools on hand, on a brand new car with no dirt on it anywhere. No rounded-off or rusted bolts. No inch-thick coating of tar due to a long-neglected oil leak.
So, a mechanic can do 85 hours of book work in one 40 hour work week and get paid the 85 hours worth.
That's usually why dealer work sucks. They're in a hurry.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 17, 2025 11:29 AM (Zz0t1)
The flat rate books are basically mythology. The times are based upon doing the job in a dealer facility, with all the brand-specific tools on hand, on a brand new car with no dirt on it anywhere. No rounded-off or rusted bolts. No inch-thick coating of tar due to a long-neglected oil leak.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2025 11:55 AM (npFr7)
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DO NOT BUT "AI" TOY DEVICES FOR YOUR CHILDREN!
You're welcome -- we now resume our regularly-scheduled mostly-human-generated (for now) commentary ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at November 17, 2025 11:51 AM (KqoM7)
*puts M3GAN doll back on shelf*
thanks
You're welcome -- we now resume our regularly-scheduled mostly-human-generated (for now) commentary ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at November 17, 2025 11:51 AM (KqoM7)
*puts M3GAN doll back on shelf*
thanks
Posted by: r hennigantx at November 17, 2025 11:55 AM (gbOdA)
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According to Zillow, average rent in the US is down $35/mo YOY with an average of $2000.
Obviously there are big regional differences as well as rental type.
Obviously there are big regional differences as well as rental type.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at November 17, 2025 11:56 AM (u9SGQ)
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Don't forget the doom goblins and drama queens.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 17, 2025 11:55 AM
*waves*
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 17, 2025 11:55 AM
*waves*
Posted by: Greta Thunberg at November 17, 2025 11:57 AM (bFu5X)
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Ford's biggest problem is its president. True for GM and Chrysler, too.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2025 11:43 AM (npFr7)
Ford needs to fire their entire executive board. They're a bunch of f*cking idiots that have NO CLUE about cars. And it shows.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 17, 2025 11:45 AM
They are still pushing the ford F150 electric truck garbage even when nobody is buying them. They took a $1.5 BILLION loss last year on their EV line up but they still keep building them and putting them in storage because the dealers don't want them on their lots.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2025 11:43 AM (npFr7)
Ford needs to fire their entire executive board. They're a bunch of f*cking idiots that have NO CLUE about cars. And it shows.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 17, 2025 11:45 AM
They are still pushing the ford F150 electric truck garbage even when nobody is buying them. They took a $1.5 BILLION loss last year on their EV line up but they still keep building them and putting them in storage because the dealers don't want them on their lots.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2025 11:57 AM (0N4FZ)
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212 Charles W Cooke is a self avowed never Trumper who endorsed Harris, on Megyn Kelly’s podcast
Posted by: Jonah at November 17, 2025 11:32 AM (YCxFk)
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I believe this is false. Cooke was consistently very critical om Kumlala, calling her an "empty vessel".
Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2025 11:55 AM (4nH0q)
That was his idea of flirting
Posted by: Jonah at November 17, 2025 11:32 AM (YCxFk)
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I believe this is false. Cooke was consistently very critical om Kumlala, calling her an "empty vessel".
Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2025 11:55 AM (4nH0q)
That was his idea of flirting
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at November 17, 2025 11:57 AM (xcxpd)
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What do you suppose will happen to the prices of housing, food and just about everything when millions of people are removed from the US?
You don't even need to be an economics major like AOC to know when you cut demand prices fall.
Posted by: JackStraw
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I totally support removing illegals (and do think it helps ease house pricing pressure) but it's not the entire problem.
At least part of the problem is Wall Street (BlackRock) getting into the single family housing rental business, that wasn't the case years ago. And then you have a tax code that really fuels Airbnb and VRBO short term rentals.
There needs to be less investment dollars chasing housing rentals.
We're creating a serf class of people and they vote accordingly when they feel they have no stake in capitalism.
Less housing rentals would be a good thing imo.
You don't even need to be an economics major like AOC to know when you cut demand prices fall.
Posted by: JackStraw
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I totally support removing illegals (and do think it helps ease house pricing pressure) but it's not the entire problem.
At least part of the problem is Wall Street (BlackRock) getting into the single family housing rental business, that wasn't the case years ago. And then you have a tax code that really fuels Airbnb and VRBO short term rentals.
There needs to be less investment dollars chasing housing rentals.
We're creating a serf class of people and they vote accordingly when they feel they have no stake in capitalism.
Less housing rentals would be a good thing imo.
Posted by: Leupold at November 17, 2025 11:57 AM (eIzlH)
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141 Whatever happened to TACO Trump? Is that still a thing?
Posted by: Northernlurker
The Left sucks ar this stuff, so they can't stick with any one failed label for long. "Weird", Vance being a "couch fucker", TACO, etc...
Posted by: Northernlurker
The Left sucks ar this stuff, so they can't stick with any one failed label for long. "Weird", Vance being a "couch fucker", TACO, etc...
Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at November 17, 2025 11:57 AM (JCZqz)
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If I'm honest, I think Supreme Court should rightly overturn that whole tariff law and flat out say Congress can't give away its Constitutional powers without an amendment to that doc
Exactly, and as someone else noted, it would also affect all the other "not our problem" crap congress has done over the years. Congress has spent 200 years finding ways to not have to do anything or take responsibility
Exactly, and as someone else noted, it would also affect all the other "not our problem" crap congress has done over the years. Congress has spent 200 years finding ways to not have to do anything or take responsibility
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2025 11:57 AM (dfIr7)
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Objectively, tariffs are congressional, and not executive, so it is not proper for the president to be setting and changing them. No constitutional amendment was passed to shift that to the president, but congress passed a law saying "we don't want to do this so you can".
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2025 11:55 AM (dfIr7)
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This is correct, I think. The main part of the SCOTUS case is an assertion by importers that the President's declaration of "an emergency" does not fit the statute.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2025 11:55 AM (dfIr7)
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This is correct, I think. The main part of the SCOTUS case is an assertion by importers that the President's declaration of "an emergency" does not fit the statute.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 17, 2025 11:57 AM (4nH0q)
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5000 mechanics short and "America is in trouble."
They should do what Caterpillar does. Two years of training and a guaranteed job. And if you really want more, they have a partnership with a four year college. No need to wait around for the government to implement a program that the next administration is going to shitcan.
They should do what Caterpillar does. Two years of training and a guaranteed job. And if you really want more, they have a partnership with a four year college. No need to wait around for the government to implement a program that the next administration is going to shitcan.
Posted by: NR Pax at November 17, 2025 11:57 AM (lXoJ5)
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>>>They are still pushing the ford F150 electric truck garbage even when nobody is buying them.
they "indefinitely paused" production on the Lightning a few weeks ago
they "indefinitely paused" production on the Lightning a few weeks ago
Posted by: brak at November 17, 2025 11:58 AM (jGJov)
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Posted by: Leupold at November 17, 2025 11:48 AM (eIzlH)
It depends what region you live in. And some how the expectation for mortgage interest rate became 3 to 4% . It has historically been 6% or above . Way above.
And the expectation today of a ‘starter’ house is absurd.
It depends what region you live in. And some how the expectation for mortgage interest rate became 3 to 4% . It has historically been 6% or above . Way above.
And the expectation today of a ‘starter’ house is absurd.
Posted by: the way I see it at November 17, 2025 11:58 AM (EYmYM)
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PS - The tariff thing being returned to Congress power also opens up the same decision for Congress to not be able to steal executive powers by law (ie - all the "3rd party bodies", the "can't fire" stuff, etc). Honestly, it's the cleanest way to decide everything, but b/c it is, I can guarantee if tariffs are overruled, it won't be this "Scalia" way...
Posted by: Nova Local at November 17, 2025 11:58 AM (tOcjL)
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Prices are never going down, save for a depression type event.
Some will. Some have. Groceries are down. Gas is down. Rent has fallen more in the last 10 months than it did in the preceding 15 years.
This is exactly what I mean. People know stuff that isn't true because the media they hate tells them to believe it.
Posted by: JackStraw
Agree with gas. Thats strictly supply / demand. Excl'g geopolitical event.
Are you saying rent is cheaper than 15 years ago? I know you're not Jack. Thus, prices haven't fallen in that 15 year sense.
We agree (I think) starting from a higher base due to inflation prices can come down but will remain high. Rent, yes. Home appreciation, not so much due to demand or those who have a great rate and dont want to move. We and several friends are in this boat.
Some will. Some have. Groceries are down. Gas is down. Rent has fallen more in the last 10 months than it did in the preceding 15 years.
This is exactly what I mean. People know stuff that isn't true because the media they hate tells them to believe it.
Posted by: JackStraw
Agree with gas. Thats strictly supply / demand. Excl'g geopolitical event.
Are you saying rent is cheaper than 15 years ago? I know you're not Jack. Thus, prices haven't fallen in that 15 year sense.
We agree (I think) starting from a higher base due to inflation prices can come down but will remain high. Rent, yes. Home appreciation, not so much due to demand or those who have a great rate and dont want to move. We and several friends are in this boat.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at November 17, 2025 11:59 AM (FxH7T)
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Don't forget the doom goblins and drama queens.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 17, 2025 11:55 AM (dK+
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*fluffs fainting pillow*
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 17, 2025 11:55 AM (dK+
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*fluffs fainting pillow*
Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 17, 2025 11:59 AM (A0sqA)
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Are you worse off now than under Biden ? Do you also think it was the Republicans that shut down the government so they could give illegal aliens more benefits?
People in general have short attention spans. They aren't judging Trump (and Republicans) against Biden's economy 2-3 years ago, purely just how well things are now. It feels pretty mediocre for many people.
The Dem terrorist strategy of causing maximum chaos when Trump is in charge, and then offering a "return to normalcy" if they win the next election is very appealing to normies.
People in general have short attention spans. They aren't judging Trump (and Republicans) against Biden's economy 2-3 years ago, purely just how well things are now. It feels pretty mediocre for many people.
The Dem terrorist strategy of causing maximum chaos when Trump is in charge, and then offering a "return to normalcy" if they win the next election is very appealing to normies.
Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at November 17, 2025 11:59 AM (JCZqz)
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they "indefinitely paused" production on the Lightning a few weeks ago
It was a crappy conversion of a standard F-150, and it shows. Tyler Hoover did irreversible damage to that piece of crap and he wasn't even trying to.
It was a crappy conversion of a standard F-150, and it shows. Tyler Hoover did irreversible damage to that piece of crap and he wasn't even trying to.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2025 12:00 PM (dfIr7)
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least part of the problem is Wall Street (BlackRock) getting into the single family housing rental business,
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This is not as much of a problem as it’s made out to be. 90% of all rentals are owned by people or corporations that own 10 or fewer units.
Blackrock is a problem but a pretty small problem.
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This is not as much of a problem as it’s made out to be. 90% of all rentals are owned by people or corporations that own 10 or fewer units.
Blackrock is a problem but a pretty small problem.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at November 17, 2025 12:00 PM (u9SGQ)
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" For groceries, Biden had 3.8% inflation and Trump 1.4%
Posted by: r hennigantx "
I still don't believe the official numbers on inflation, at least for groceries. Prices went up at least 50% during Biden. Using milk as a baseline, it was usually around $1.80/gallon, now around $3.20. Meat doubled. Where the f do they get these numbers?
Posted by: r hennigantx "
I still don't believe the official numbers on inflation, at least for groceries. Prices went up at least 50% during Biden. Using milk as a baseline, it was usually around $1.80/gallon, now around $3.20. Meat doubled. Where the f do they get these numbers?
Posted by: Ripley at November 17, 2025 12:00 PM (GUOwU)
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A starter home used to be less than 1,000 sq ft and one bath. Now it's 3,000/4 or 5 bedrooms and 4 baths.
Posted by: NCKate at November 17, 2025 12:01 PM (uQzkA)
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And the expectation today of a ‘starter’ house is absurd.
Posted by: the way I see it at November 17, 2025 11:58 AM (EYmYM)
There are no starter houses anymore. There are no starter jobs anymore. Every house is either a slum hole owned by a slumlord "Property Management Company", or a $100k house you can buy for $700k. Every job is either a full career position that you can support a family of seven on, or a Job Americans Won't Do.
You can either inherit or DINK-WAD your way into a comfy upper middle class situation, or go on the dole. Those are your options.
Posted by: the way I see it at November 17, 2025 11:58 AM (EYmYM)
There are no starter houses anymore. There are no starter jobs anymore. Every house is either a slum hole owned by a slumlord "Property Management Company", or a $100k house you can buy for $700k. Every job is either a full career position that you can support a family of seven on, or a Job Americans Won't Do.
You can either inherit or DINK-WAD your way into a comfy upper middle class situation, or go on the dole. Those are your options.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2025 12:01 PM (JwNbV)
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Not that they are the end all but at least they have some trained knowledge.
Is Charles Cooke an economist?
Is Charles Cooke an economist?
Posted by: the way I see it at November 17, 2025 12:01 PM (EYmYM)
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We are free if you lf love the prison. Fake conservatives have lost all privileges except for the money they get from dems and the yellow chinese from the middle kingdom.
P.S. I forgot the money from the muslimeds.
Judge like spies. Shot at sunrise.
P.S. I forgot the money from the muslimeds.
Judge like spies. Shot at sunrise.
Posted by: thug dolphin at November 17, 2025 12:01 PM (EyfuW)
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Let's just say that if the country elects Gavin Newsome in 2028 it deserves what it gets...
Posted by: steevy at November 17, 2025 12:01 PM (YwEeS)
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235 A starter home used to be less than 1,000 sq ft and one bath. Now it's 3,000/4 or 5 bedrooms and 4 baths.
Posted by: NCKate at November 17, 2025 12:01 PM (uQzkA)
Maybe detached homes...but starter homes in most places are townhomes, and they aren't that big...
Posted by: NCKate at November 17, 2025 12:01 PM (uQzkA)
Maybe detached homes...but starter homes in most places are townhomes, and they aren't that big...
Posted by: Nova Local at November 17, 2025 12:02 PM (tOcjL)
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I have a friend who is a real doomer. He keeps saying people are hurting. I want to hit him with a tire iron. I'm tired of reminding him that things are going to take a little time to fix, that trump in 10 months already did a shit ton of stuff, but its going to take a little while to undo all the biden damage let alone all the democrat damage from years of them continuing to breath. Then I hear oh the economy. The big piss off, he looks at it through the lens of his own failure. He started a business 15 years ago I told him not to get involved in. Internet shopping was already wiping that mom and pop style store out of existence, yet he did it anyway, and does it in a town that couldn't support it anyway. Great job dude, open a tall man shop in china and then complain about the economy.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 17, 2025 12:02 PM (snZF9)
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Don't buy Christmas stuff early. Just don't buy stuff. Christmas needs to get back to a couple of toys for the kids and some fruit for meemaw and peepaw.
Posted by: NCKate at November 17, 2025 11:40 AM (uQzkA)
I don't recall when I developed this attitude, certainly by the time I turned 18... but I've always said that Christmas isn't MY birthday so I don't need any presents.
Posted by: NCKate at November 17, 2025 11:40 AM (uQzkA)
I don't recall when I developed this attitude, certainly by the time I turned 18... but I've always said that Christmas isn't MY birthday so I don't need any presents.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 17, 2025 12:02 PM (ExV1e)
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Some will. Some have. Groceries are down. Gas is down. Rent has fallen more in the last 10 months than it did in the preceding 15 years.
Yeah prices come down. Grocery prices fluctuate a lot, electronics generally go down except for apple products, etc. Its a general rule that inflation only goes one direction but its not universal and most of the stuff that people care about the most can go down like energy and food.
There's a lot of noise on social media (driven primarily by China and India) about home prices, but the truth is, not a lot of young people actually want to buy or own a house.
Yeah prices come down. Grocery prices fluctuate a lot, electronics generally go down except for apple products, etc. Its a general rule that inflation only goes one direction but its not universal and most of the stuff that people care about the most can go down like energy and food.
There's a lot of noise on social media (driven primarily by China and India) about home prices, but the truth is, not a lot of young people actually want to buy or own a house.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2025 12:02 PM (dfIr7)
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At least part of the problem is Wall Street (BlackRock) getting into the single family housing rental business, that wasn't the case years ago. And then you have a tax code that really fuels Airbnb and VRBO short term rentals.
I would say this is the main problem. Mostly, in areas/cities that are considered desirable to live in.
I'd like a simple law forbidding corporate ownership of single family homes.
Or, maybe changing the tax structure to punish corporate ownership of single family homes.
That would change the game very quickly.
And it's not like BlackRock isn't a huge libtard promoting combine.
Win-win-win!
I would say this is the main problem. Mostly, in areas/cities that are considered desirable to live in.
I'd like a simple law forbidding corporate ownership of single family homes.
Or, maybe changing the tax structure to punish corporate ownership of single family homes.
That would change the game very quickly.
And it's not like BlackRock isn't a huge libtard promoting combine.
Win-win-win!
Posted by: naturalfake at November 17, 2025 12:02 PM (iJfKG)
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Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2025 12:01 PM (JwNbV
I can’t tell if that’s snark or serious.
I can’t tell if that’s snark or serious.
Posted by: the way I see it at November 17, 2025 12:03 PM (EYmYM)
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They should do what Caterpillar does. Two years of training and a guaranteed job. And if you really want more, they have a partnership with a four year college. No need to wait around for the government to implement a program that the next administration is going to shitcan.
Posted by: NR Pax at November 17, 2025 11:57 AM (lXoJ5)
Most major cities have elec and plumbing associations of non union shops that will pay and train people.
https://iectxgulfcoast.org/
Posted by: NR Pax at November 17, 2025 11:57 AM (lXoJ5)
Most major cities have elec and plumbing associations of non union shops that will pay and train people.
https://iectxgulfcoast.org/
Posted by: r hennigantx at November 17, 2025 12:03 PM (gbOdA)
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245 Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2025 12:01 PM (JwNbV
I can’t tell if that’s snark or serious.
Posted by: the way I see it at November 17, 2025 12:03 PM (EYmYM)
Serious.
A bit hyperbolically serious. But it's true, in the main.
I can’t tell if that’s snark or serious.
Posted by: the way I see it at November 17, 2025 12:03 PM (EYmYM)
Serious.
A bit hyperbolically serious. But it's true, in the main.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2025 12:04 PM (JwNbV)
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It's fueling the rise of socialism in young americans. Same with student loans.
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Well yes, this is my point. Cars, homes, food, everything is expensive. The currency is confetti, they’ve no savings because of borrowing and printing and zero interest policies and wages have been stagnant since 1974.
And the Boomers say “Quit drinking Starbucks”. Yeah, there is no comparison. Life has always been a royal bitch, but the dollar used to be good as gold, and the kept the border sealed tight, and there were unskilled labor jobs that would pay a living wage if people lived frugally. Meat packing jobs, foundry work, hell even the Milkman could buy a (small) house and a car and raise a family.
All of that is gone, gone with the wind. It will take decided effort on a lot of folks part who are not inclined to do so, to bring back a functioning economy.
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Well yes, this is my point. Cars, homes, food, everything is expensive. The currency is confetti, they’ve no savings because of borrowing and printing and zero interest policies and wages have been stagnant since 1974.
And the Boomers say “Quit drinking Starbucks”. Yeah, there is no comparison. Life has always been a royal bitch, but the dollar used to be good as gold, and the kept the border sealed tight, and there were unskilled labor jobs that would pay a living wage if people lived frugally. Meat packing jobs, foundry work, hell even the Milkman could buy a (small) house and a car and raise a family.
All of that is gone, gone with the wind. It will take decided effort on a lot of folks part who are not inclined to do so, to bring back a functioning economy.
Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2025 12:04 PM (tJ+Xw)
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I'm in the market for a new home now and the average sq ft of new builds seems to have come back down to around 2200 sq ft, 3/2 now. Of course, they start around $375k.
Yeah in some places they market 3000+ sq ft new builds as "starter homes" with all the trendiest finishes at 600K plus but shop around a bit. It's a buyer's market now.
Yeah in some places they market 3000+ sq ft new builds as "starter homes" with all the trendiest finishes at 600K plus but shop around a bit. It's a buyer's market now.
Posted by: brak at November 17, 2025 12:04 PM (jGJov)
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One thing is for sure, the solution to worker shortages is not bringing in third worlders.
Posted by: steevy at November 17, 2025 12:04 PM (YwEeS)
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Ford needs to fire their entire executive board. They're a bunch of f*cking idiots that have NO CLUE about cars. And it shows.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 17, 2025 11:45 AM (Zz0t1)
Well, yes, the entire board. But the CEO is the nail that sticks up the highest.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at November 17, 2025 11:45 AM (Zz0t1)
Well, yes, the entire board. But the CEO is the nail that sticks up the highest.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2025 12:04 PM (npFr7)
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“Affordable Housing” is a pipe dream. It is what people want to hear. But it will never happen. Unless you want to live in a Soviet style concrete block.
Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2025 11:43 AM (tJ+Xw)
The "Affordable Housing" lie is behind Bass and Newsom's foot-dragging in the fire-destroyed parts of SoCal. It's also basically about evicting affluent folks in the beach houses and replacing them with pot-smoking hippies and surf thugs.
CA did the same thing with La Conchita about 20 years ago, which is a tiny little beach community between Santa Barbara and Ventura, located at the base of some obviously dangerous hillsides. When they had a deadly mudslide in 2005 killing 10-11 people, one of the criticisms was that the state should have eminent domained everyone out of such a dangerous location. The response was "but La Conchita is the only place where ordinary low-income people can afford to live on the beach".
“Affordable Housing” is a pipe dream. It is what people want to hear. But it will never happen. Unless you want to live in a Soviet style concrete block.
Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2025 11:43 AM (tJ+Xw)
The "Affordable Housing" lie is behind Bass and Newsom's foot-dragging in the fire-destroyed parts of SoCal. It's also basically about evicting affluent folks in the beach houses and replacing them with pot-smoking hippies and surf thugs.
CA did the same thing with La Conchita about 20 years ago, which is a tiny little beach community between Santa Barbara and Ventura, located at the base of some obviously dangerous hillsides. When they had a deadly mudslide in 2005 killing 10-11 people, one of the criticisms was that the state should have eminent domained everyone out of such a dangerous location. The response was "but La Conchita is the only place where ordinary low-income people can afford to live on the beach".
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 17, 2025 12:05 PM (y9nCu)
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It depends what region you live in. And some how the expectation for mortgage interest rate became 3 to 4% . It has historically been 6% or above . Way above.
And the expectation today of a ‘starter’ house is absurd.
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Where I live, even when you factor in inflation, what my people like my parents paid for their house in today's dollars is like a 70%+ discount to what people pay today. It's just not the same anymore. In "todays" dollars, a really nice house in the same area was like $300k. Now it's like $1.2 million.
I just don't buy this boomer narrative that it's just lazy 30-somethings complaining and they spend all their money at Starbucks.
I'm lucky in that I'm basically set in my forever home, but my heart does break for people that are probably going to be forever renters.
I see a whole class of forever renters and paying student loans until they retire. And the reality is their misery is probably going to vote Democrat for life.
And the expectation today of a ‘starter’ house is absurd.
Posted by: the way I see it
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Where I live, even when you factor in inflation, what my people like my parents paid for their house in today's dollars is like a 70%+ discount to what people pay today. It's just not the same anymore. In "todays" dollars, a really nice house in the same area was like $300k. Now it's like $1.2 million.
I just don't buy this boomer narrative that it's just lazy 30-somethings complaining and they spend all their money at Starbucks.
I'm lucky in that I'm basically set in my forever home, but my heart does break for people that are probably going to be forever renters.
I see a whole class of forever renters and paying student loans until they retire. And the reality is their misery is probably going to vote Democrat for life.
Posted by: Leupold at November 17, 2025 12:05 PM (eIzlH)
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Ford CEO is full of shit. It’s another version of “jobs Americans won’t do” as a justification to bring in foreigners.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at November 17, 2025 12:05 PM (u9SGQ)
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Objectively, tariffs are congressional, and not executive, so it is not proper for the president to be setting and changing them. No constitutional amendment was passed to shift that to the president, but congress passed a law saying "we don't want to do this so you can".
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2025 11:55 AM
Unfortunately congress has given a whole bunch of their power to the executive by passing *emergency* laws that never expire. And Trump used one of the emergencies to impose tariffs. He is also using the global war on terrorism act that has no set ending date to blow up drug boats.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2025 11:55 AM
Unfortunately congress has given a whole bunch of their power to the executive by passing *emergency* laws that never expire. And Trump used one of the emergencies to impose tariffs. He is also using the global war on terrorism act that has no set ending date to blow up drug boats.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2025 12:05 PM (0N4FZ)
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Isn't it an iron law of economics that if *everyone* believes house prices are only going up, they will fall?
Posted by: Oglebay at November 17, 2025 12:05 PM (2ap+5)
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"I admit I sometimes aren't sure whether a couple of the "regulars" are trolls or merely troll-adjacent."
That's the challenge. No one is going to tell you.
You have to figure it out for yourself which requires a bit of thinking.
You can do it.
That's the challenge. No one is going to tell you.
You have to figure it out for yourself which requires a bit of thinking.
You can do it.
Posted by: pawn at November 17, 2025 12:06 PM (sPsWv)
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256 Isn't it an iron law of economics that if *everyone* believes house prices are only going up, they will fall?
Posted by: Oglebay at November 17, 2025 12:05 PM (2ap+5)
It's a corollary to "Bulls make money, Bears make money, Pigs get slaughtered". I think.
Posted by: Oglebay at November 17, 2025 12:05 PM (2ap+5)
It's a corollary to "Bulls make money, Bears make money, Pigs get slaughtered". I think.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2025 12:06 PM (JwNbV)
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Good Lord, what happened to my ability to use the English language? That sentence is a train wreck.
Posted by: Crusader at November 17, 2025 11:50 AM (TN0g+)
Blame day-drinking.
Posted by: Crusader at November 17, 2025 11:50 AM (TN0g+)
Blame day-drinking.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 17, 2025 12:06 PM (ExV1e)
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I rarely have met anyone working in the trades who speaks English as their first language. I do wonder how much of this "just get a job in the trades" will go the way of 25 years ago the "just go major in computer science" hall of great career advice in a country with a pourous border and nonstop 3rd world immigration.
Posted by: brak at November 17, 2025 12:06 PM (jGJov)
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I'm lucky in that I'm basically set in my forever home, but my heart does break for people that are probably going to be forever renters.
The truth is, most younger people have no interest in owning a house or the responsibility of it. Its a social media thing mostly, and an excuse to hate on "boomers" (meaning: anyone older than me) and blame them for all their problems.
The truth is, most younger people have no interest in owning a house or the responsibility of it. Its a social media thing mostly, and an excuse to hate on "boomers" (meaning: anyone older than me) and blame them for all their problems.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2025 12:07 PM (dfIr7)
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>>I totally support removing illegals (and do think it helps ease house pricing pressure) but it's not the entire problem.
No, of course not. But it's definitely a big part of the problem.
When government floods the country with billions of fiat dollars everything goes up. And it
it's going to take some time to reach equilibrium. We've been living in a period of sugar high for a number of years and it's not going to get fixed overnight with a silver bullet piece of legislation.
It's really disappointing to see how many people are freaking out over where we are right now when we are less than a year into trying to save this country from a multi decade long trajectory into oblivion. Our schools suck. Our government institutions have been captured for decades. Globalists are still pouring billions into trying to turn this country into an open borders shit hole like the EU. We are just begining to fight back an already the doom and gloom brigade is in full throat.
Everyone needs to chill the fuck out and get back to fighting those who are trying to destroy this country. We didn't win everything just because Trump won. All that did was give us a chance to win.
No, of course not. But it's definitely a big part of the problem.
When government floods the country with billions of fiat dollars everything goes up. And it
it's going to take some time to reach equilibrium. We've been living in a period of sugar high for a number of years and it's not going to get fixed overnight with a silver bullet piece of legislation.
It's really disappointing to see how many people are freaking out over where we are right now when we are less than a year into trying to save this country from a multi decade long trajectory into oblivion. Our schools suck. Our government institutions have been captured for decades. Globalists are still pouring billions into trying to turn this country into an open borders shit hole like the EU. We are just begining to fight back an already the doom and gloom brigade is in full throat.
Everyone needs to chill the fuck out and get back to fighting those who are trying to destroy this country. We didn't win everything just because Trump won. All that did was give us a chance to win.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2025 12:07 PM (viF8m)
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Posted by: Leupold at November 17, 2025 12:05 PM (eIzlH)
And where I live now it’s nothing like that. But when I lived in NY 30 years ago it was like that for me.
And where I live now it’s nothing like that. But when I lived in NY 30 years ago it was like that for me.
Posted by: the way I see it at November 17, 2025 12:07 PM (EYmYM)
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Most major cities have elec and plumbing associations of non union shops that will pay and train people.
And here in the GPROMD, there are paid internships (Union and Non) that do pretty good as well. But Ford can jump on this and get the technicians that they want. As long as they pay relocation fees and guarantee work, they'll be fine.
And here in the GPROMD, there are paid internships (Union and Non) that do pretty good as well. But Ford can jump on this and get the technicians that they want. As long as they pay relocation fees and guarantee work, they'll be fine.
Posted by: NR Pax at November 17, 2025 12:07 PM (lXoJ5)
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I'd like a simple law forbidding corporate ownership of single family homes.
Or, maybe changing the tax structure to punish corporate ownership of single family homes.
That would change the game very quickly.
And it's not like BlackRock isn't a huge libtard promoting combine.
Win-win-win!
Posted by: naturalfake
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I like this way better than a 50 year mortgage plan. So what if some Wall Street firms have to go elsewhere for a scheme to make money. It would probably fix most of this over night.
This the vulture part of capitalism.
Or, maybe changing the tax structure to punish corporate ownership of single family homes.
That would change the game very quickly.
And it's not like BlackRock isn't a huge libtard promoting combine.
Win-win-win!
Posted by: naturalfake
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I like this way better than a 50 year mortgage plan. So what if some Wall Street firms have to go elsewhere for a scheme to make money. It would probably fix most of this over night.
This the vulture part of capitalism.
Posted by: Leupold at November 17, 2025 12:07 PM (eIzlH)
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Milkman could buy a (small) house and a car and raise a family.
How can you screw the Milkman when we owe the Butcher so much?
How can you screw the Milkman when we owe the Butcher so much?
Posted by: Benny Hill, 1973 at November 17, 2025 12:07 PM (oftw2)
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Good Lord, what happened to my ability to use the English language? That sentence is a train wreck.
Posted by: Crusader at November 17, 2025 11:50 AM (TN0g+)
Blame day-drinking.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 17, 2025 12:06 PM (ExV1e)
Blame your H1B replacement commenter in training. You do have one of those, right?
Posted by: Crusader at November 17, 2025 11:50 AM (TN0g+)
Blame day-drinking.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 17, 2025 12:06 PM (ExV1e)
Blame your H1B replacement commenter in training. You do have one of those, right?
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 17, 2025 12:07 PM (dK+Kv)
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253 I see a whole class of forever renters and paying student loans until they retire. And the reality is their misery is probably going to vote Democrat for life.
Posted by: Leupold at November 17, 2025 12:05 PM (eIzlH)
They won't retire.
They won't make enough in their lifetimes to be able to continue to pay their rent if they're not working.
Posted by: Leupold at November 17, 2025 12:05 PM (eIzlH)
They won't retire.
They won't make enough in their lifetimes to be able to continue to pay their rent if they're not working.
Posted by: XTC at November 17, 2025 12:08 PM (UnA8+)
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>>>The truth is, most younger people have no interest in owning a house or the responsibility of it. Its a social media thing mostly, and an excuse to hate on "boomers" (meaning: anyone older than me) and blame them for all their problems.
yeah totally, don't forget the $7 coffees and avocado toast, lazy kids
yeah totally, don't forget the $7 coffees and avocado toast, lazy kids
Posted by: brak at November 17, 2025 12:08 PM (jGJov)
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260 I rarely have met anyone working in the trades who speaks English as their first language. I do wonder how much of this "just get a job in the trades" will go the way of 25 years ago the "just go major in computer science" hall of great career advice in a country with a pourous border and nonstop 3rd world immigration.
Posted by: brak at November 17, 2025 12:06 PM (jGJov)
Seriously?
I work in the trades. Or at least heavily trade-adjacent. I rarely see anyone who can't speak English. I see crews who speak Polish or Spanish or Macedonian (not even joking on that one) amongst themselves, but their english is fine.
Probably a regional thing.
Posted by: brak at November 17, 2025 12:06 PM (jGJov)
Seriously?
I work in the trades. Or at least heavily trade-adjacent. I rarely see anyone who can't speak English. I see crews who speak Polish or Spanish or Macedonian (not even joking on that one) amongst themselves, but their english is fine.
Probably a regional thing.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2025 12:08 PM (JwNbV)
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Where the f do they get these numbers?
Posted by: Ripley at November 17, 2025 12:00 PM (GUOwU)
I would guess the Fed or Treasury.
And that is the problem with inflation.
That value change (good and services vs. real money) has changed permanently until:
1. New source or competition adds more product
2. People change buying habits less demand
3. New tech replaces old tech Both more product(S) and same demands spread out.
Posted by: Ripley at November 17, 2025 12:00 PM (GUOwU)
I would guess the Fed or Treasury.
And that is the problem with inflation.
That value change (good and services vs. real money) has changed permanently until:
1. New source or competition adds more product
2. People change buying habits less demand
3. New tech replaces old tech Both more product(S) and same demands spread out.
Posted by: r hennigantx at November 17, 2025 12:08 PM (gbOdA)
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Despite the current wave of pessimism I think Trump had a remarkably good first year. Better than Ronald Reagan's first year( taking over a basket case country after Democrat, well uniparty, misrule)
Posted by: steevy at November 17, 2025 12:09 PM (YwEeS)
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My concern is that Trump is stumbling a lot lately, a bunch of unforced, stupid errors and I fear that the Democrats have finally figured out that they can manipulate him by being friendly and "working with him" rather than continual hate and attack.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2025 12:09 PM (dfIr7)
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224 Objectively, tariffs are congressional, and not executive, so it is not proper for the president to be setting and changing them. No constitutional amendment was passed to shift that to the president, but congress passed a law saying "we don't want to do this so you can".
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Settled law since JW Hampton Meatpacking case in the 1920's. Most people know little if anything about American tariff law from the Founding to the 1920's but the power was delegated to the president starting about 1900's because Congress simply could not function dealing with a hundred countries tariff schedules and tariffs are as much foreign policy as they are domestic.
And fwiw, the ones challenging the tariffs might not even have standing which may be how Scotus avoids the whole mess along with mootness. Trump created facts on the ground such as teh massive revenues collected already that would have to be refunded plus multiple different trade agreements that have already been reached with most of the other nations. That would make much of the challenges moot as the emergency tariffs give way to presidential agreements (akin to treaties in Scotus jurisprudence.).
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Settled law since JW Hampton Meatpacking case in the 1920's. Most people know little if anything about American tariff law from the Founding to the 1920's but the power was delegated to the president starting about 1900's because Congress simply could not function dealing with a hundred countries tariff schedules and tariffs are as much foreign policy as they are domestic.
And fwiw, the ones challenging the tariffs might not even have standing which may be how Scotus avoids the whole mess along with mootness. Trump created facts on the ground such as teh massive revenues collected already that would have to be refunded plus multiple different trade agreements that have already been reached with most of the other nations. That would make much of the challenges moot as the emergency tariffs give way to presidential agreements (akin to treaties in Scotus jurisprudence.).
Posted by: whig at November 17, 2025 12:09 PM (WDjG6)
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Blame your H1B replacement commenter in training. You do have one of those, right?
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon
Apparently, you have to poke air holes in the shipping container. Lesson learned.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon
Apparently, you have to poke air holes in the shipping container. Lesson learned.
Posted by: NR Pax at November 17, 2025 12:09 PM (lXoJ5)
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Everyone needs to chill the fuck out and get back to fighting those who are trying to destroy this country. We didn't win everything just because Trump won. All that did was give us a chance to win.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2025 12:07 PM (viF8m)
That comes from the executive's tone at the top. Trump is not chill and he's not all that positive right now...he needs to reset his admin into putting out positive. And not economic positive right now when it hasn't trickled down far enough yet. Just overall positive. Put everyone back on the team and into inclusion and wipe out last week as a disaster (and maybe apologize for the H1-B words)...
Everyone needs to chill the fuck out and get back to fighting those who are trying to destroy this country. We didn't win everything just because Trump won. All that did was give us a chance to win.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2025 12:07 PM (viF8m)
That comes from the executive's tone at the top. Trump is not chill and he's not all that positive right now...he needs to reset his admin into putting out positive. And not economic positive right now when it hasn't trickled down far enough yet. Just overall positive. Put everyone back on the team and into inclusion and wipe out last week as a disaster (and maybe apologize for the H1-B words)...
Posted by: Nova Local at November 17, 2025 12:09 PM (tOcjL)
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Tell her to jog across the parking lot while you pop off a few rounds near her. Then ask her if veterans get too many benefits.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
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This made me laugh way more than I should have.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
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This made me laugh way more than I should have.
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 17, 2025 12:09 PM (22p5n)
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Thanks for posting chief engineer. One of my favorite accounts.
Trump should have plowed the tariff money into a low interest loan program for capitol intensive equipment to rejndustrialize our motor, machining, and other heavy tech companies.
Trump should have plowed the tariff money into a low interest loan program for capitol intensive equipment to rejndustrialize our motor, machining, and other heavy tech companies.
Posted by: The MewTwix at November 17, 2025 12:10 PM (HoG9u)
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If I'm honest, I think Supreme Court should rightly overturn that whole tariff law and flat out say Congress can't give away its Constitutional powers without an amendment to that doc...
Posted by: Nova Local at November 17, 2025 11:27 AM (tOcjL)
Man, people would be lining up to challenge all the enabling acts Congress has passed in the last 50 years. 80% of non-defense government would be targeted.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
And that would be a good thing...even if a messy thing...
Posted by: Nova Local
It would be a good thing. Because it would shut government down for a year with no way to open it up because of gridlock.
Posted by: Nova Local at November 17, 2025 11:27 AM (tOcjL)
Man, people would be lining up to challenge all the enabling acts Congress has passed in the last 50 years. 80% of non-defense government would be targeted.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
And that would be a good thing...even if a messy thing...
Posted by: Nova Local
It would be a good thing. Because it would shut government down for a year with no way to open it up because of gridlock.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2025 12:10 PM (cIxJn)
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Rents are down 15% from 2022 as of September, all of that decrease happening this year.
People are seeing it now, right now.
But the narrative about "affordability" must be pushed no matter what.
It's like how the narrative of the great Biden economy led to Kamala Harris winning Iowa.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:45 AM (GBKbO)
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But by not enough people - not to break through the noise - it always takes time to feel the 15%. Reagan took his lumps in 82. By 84 it was happy days are here again. I don't think we have that much time this time around.
People are seeing it now, right now.
But the narrative about "affordability" must be pushed no matter what.
It's like how the narrative of the great Biden economy led to Kamala Harris winning Iowa.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing life through the shadows with Otto Preminger at November 17, 2025 11:45 AM (GBKbO)
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But by not enough people - not to break through the noise - it always takes time to feel the 15%. Reagan took his lumps in 82. By 84 it was happy days are here again. I don't think we have that much time this time around.
Posted by: Black JEM at November 17, 2025 12:10 PM (GZYu7)
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THE RENT IS TOO HIGH!!
Posted by: runner at November 17, 2025 12:11 PM (g47mK)
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yeah totally, don't forget the $7 coffees and avocado toast, lazy kids
No, zoomers and gen A guys aren't buying that crap, that's millennials and gen x.
No, zoomers and gen A guys aren't buying that crap, that's millennials and gen x.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2025 12:11 PM (dfIr7)
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Blame your H1B replacement commenter in training. You do have one of those, right?
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 17, 2025 12:07 PM (dK+Kv)
I am so happy as to be standing by myself.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at November 17, 2025 12:07 PM (dK+Kv)
I am so happy as to be standing by myself.
Posted by: r hennigantx H1B trainee at November 17, 2025 12:11 PM (gbOdA)
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And that was some dude's plantform in NYC 15 years ago!
Posted by: runner at November 17, 2025 12:11 PM (g47mK)
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The economy didn't get much better in the Reagan years until '83. The Carter years sucked as much as Biden years and it took time to get moving again.
Posted by: Gimme 40 Acres To Turn This Rig Around... at November 17, 2025 12:12 PM (oftw2)
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All of a sudden, female cow worker is 'concerned' veterans get too many benefits.
Had a boss who was very anti-military and he always gave me crap for being a Reservist. After one tangent about the free food, medical care and lodging, I snapped.
"The difference is they can tell me 'I want you to go over there and die.' You can't do that."
Had a boss who was very anti-military and he always gave me crap for being a Reservist. After one tangent about the free food, medical care and lodging, I snapped.
"The difference is they can tell me 'I want you to go over there and die.' You can't do that."
Posted by: NR Pax at November 17, 2025 12:12 PM (lXoJ5)
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285 Exactly
Posted by: steevy at November 17, 2025 12:12 PM (YwEeS)
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And btw, for those discussing this issue, what you want is the nondelegation doctrine which has been sleeping since about 1920's. The JW Hampton Meatpacking case requires the low bar of an intelligible principle for Congress to delegate a power to the executive branch. That is so that courts can adjudicate whether the power exercised exceeds what Congress delegated.
Panama Refining (aka Hot Oil case) and Schecter Poultry (Sick Chicken case) are the two Depression era cases that set the outer limits on delegation--no intelligible principle, illegal--Panama Refining. Congress cannot delegate its power to third parties outside of government (Schecter).
Panama Refining (aka Hot Oil case) and Schecter Poultry (Sick Chicken case) are the two Depression era cases that set the outer limits on delegation--no intelligible principle, illegal--Panama Refining. Congress cannot delegate its power to third parties outside of government (Schecter).
Posted by: whig at November 17, 2025 12:12 PM (WDjG6)
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Where I live, even when you factor in inflation, what my people like my parents paid for their house in today's dollars is like a 70%+ discount to what people pay today. It's just not the same anymore. In "todays" dollars, a really nice house in the same area was like $300k. Now it's like $1.2 million.
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Are you my secret brother? Lol. That’s pretty much the home I grew up in as well.
Adjusted for inflation $300k then is about $700k now. But I guess today’s version of my parents just need to stop being so lazy and figure out a way to earn 70% more to afford the same house.
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Are you my secret brother? Lol. That’s pretty much the home I grew up in as well.
Adjusted for inflation $300k then is about $700k now. But I guess today’s version of my parents just need to stop being so lazy and figure out a way to earn 70% more to afford the same house.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at November 17, 2025 12:12 PM (u9SGQ)
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The truth is, most younger people have no interest in owning a house or the responsibility of it. Its a social media thing mostly, and an excuse to hate on "boomers" (meaning: anyone older than me) and blame them for all their problems.
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Totally disagree.
If you just look at numbers, the price of housing as a percent of someone's income has gone way up. This obviously has an effect on whether someone can afford a home or not. It's not just an emotional choice.
People also probably say they like being renters because the alternative is completely unaffordable for what you get. A shit home for like $500k. Renting starts looking appealing.
I don't know how that serves American interest to have a huge underclass of renters so a handful of Wall Street firms can make some more money.
It seems a lot of people just want the status quo.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Totally disagree.
If you just look at numbers, the price of housing as a percent of someone's income has gone way up. This obviously has an effect on whether someone can afford a home or not. It's not just an emotional choice.
People also probably say they like being renters because the alternative is completely unaffordable for what you get. A shit home for like $500k. Renting starts looking appealing.
I don't know how that serves American interest to have a huge underclass of renters so a handful of Wall Street firms can make some more money.
It seems a lot of people just want the status quo.
Posted by: Leupold at November 17, 2025 12:12 PM (eIzlH)
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We’re hearing that phrase a lot recently, especially after Democrats just won elections in three deep blue states that voted for Kamala Harris in 2024. Illogically, three blue states continuing to vote blue is being used as an excuse by “concerned” pundits to call for President Trump to surrender the MAGA agenda and return to the destructive policies of the Biden-era.
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"It's just blue states" is too broad a characterization, however there is a lot of game to play before November 2026 and a lot of stuff that can happen (unless you believe Trump forced Crooks to shoot him), no reason to give the game away because the other team scored.
Sure, the progs want to crow about their inevitable resurgence, because that's their overall historical narrative as well. And they are going to try to inflate any small win as the "sign of the times". Why wouldn't they?
It's only us on this side that have to ground our politics on the nod to reality, and not just paper narrative over with narrative and "messaging".
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"It's just blue states" is too broad a characterization, however there is a lot of game to play before November 2026 and a lot of stuff that can happen (unless you believe Trump forced Crooks to shoot him), no reason to give the game away because the other team scored.
Sure, the progs want to crow about their inevitable resurgence, because that's their overall historical narrative as well. And they are going to try to inflate any small win as the "sign of the times". Why wouldn't they?
It's only us on this side that have to ground our politics on the nod to reality, and not just paper narrative over with narrative and "messaging".
Posted by: Axeman at November 17, 2025 12:13 PM (krQz2)
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It would be a good thing. Because it would shut government down for a year with no way to open it up because of gridlock.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 17, 2025 12:10 PM (cIxJn)
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It moved.
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It moved.
Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at November 17, 2025 12:13 PM (qSteT)
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Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2025 12:11 PM (dfIr7)
Correct . They spend their money on Uber Eats.
Correct . They spend their money on Uber Eats.
Posted by: the way I see it at November 17, 2025 12:13 PM (EYmYM)
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t's fueling the rise of socialism in young americans. Same with student loans.
You become a Republican very quickly when you own your own home.
I would focus on this like a laser.
Posted by: Leupold at November 17, 2025 11:48 AM (eIzlH)
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Home ownership levels are fairly consistent against historical averages.
You become a Republican very quickly when you own your own home.
I would focus on this like a laser.
Posted by: Leupold at November 17, 2025 11:48 AM (eIzlH)
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Home ownership levels are fairly consistent against historical averages.
Posted by: Black JEM at November 17, 2025 12:13 PM (GZYu7)
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I rarely have met anyone working in the trades who speaks English as their first language. I do wonder how much of this "just get a job in the trades" will go the way of 25 years ago the "just go major in computer science" hall of great career advice in a country with a pourous border and nonstop 3rd world immigration.
Posted by: brak at November 17, 2025 12:06 PM
Unfortunately we took shops class out of all of our schools decades ago to make room for other stuff so even if we wanted to start that back up it would take a generation to get it going again.
I have a bunch of old made in USA craftsman tools I was looking to donate to any of the high schools in our area, none of them do any auto shop classes any longer.
Posted by: brak at November 17, 2025 12:06 PM
Unfortunately we took shops class out of all of our schools decades ago to make room for other stuff so even if we wanted to start that back up it would take a generation to get it going again.
I have a bunch of old made in USA craftsman tools I was looking to donate to any of the high schools in our area, none of them do any auto shop classes any longer.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2025 12:13 PM (0N4FZ)
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I rarely have met anyone working in the trades who speaks English as their first language. I do wonder how much of this "just get a job in the trades" will go the way of 25 years ago the "just go major in computer science" hall of great career advice in a country with a pourous border and nonstop 3rd world immigration.
Posted by: brak
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Where do you live?
My husband is an electrician here in southern Illinois, who regularly works in St Louis.
All his co-workers are english-speaking native Americans, no third-worlders.
Posted by: brak
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Where do you live?
My husband is an electrician here in southern Illinois, who regularly works in St Louis.
All his co-workers are english-speaking native Americans, no third-worlders.
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 17, 2025 12:13 PM (22p5n)
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A starter home used to be less than 1,000 sq ft and one bath.
Posted by: NCKate at November 17, 2025 12:01 PM (uQzkA)
I'd be happy with something near that for an ender home. Maybe 1200 sqft.
Posted by: NCKate at November 17, 2025 12:01 PM (uQzkA)
I'd be happy with something near that for an ender home. Maybe 1200 sqft.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 17, 2025 12:13 PM (ExV1e)
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Affordable, long-term owned homes in half the county are plummeting in price but taxes are ever higher & higher (i.e., 7K+ to about $13K+ for tiny bungalows, capes, twins on little land) as is food, gas.
Investor's havens (Section 8, etc.) which keeps strong boundaries between great communities and schools.
It's a pattern neither Trump's fault nor because of any tariffs.
Investor's havens (Section 8, etc.) which keeps strong boundaries between great communities and schools.
It's a pattern neither Trump's fault nor because of any tariffs.
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at November 17, 2025 12:13 PM (NFX2v)
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285 The economy didn't get much better in the Reagan years until '83. The Carter years sucked as much as Biden years and it took time to get moving again.
Posted by: Gimme 40 Acres To Turn This Rig Around... at November 17, 2025 12:12 PM (oftw2)
Nov of 84 my note was 15% with a 3 2 1 buydown.
3 Beds and 2 bath. 1458 sq ft. 89,900.
Car notes were 16 to 18.
Posted by: Gimme 40 Acres To Turn This Rig Around... at November 17, 2025 12:12 PM (oftw2)
Nov of 84 my note was 15% with a 3 2 1 buydown.
3 Beds and 2 bath. 1458 sq ft. 89,900.
Car notes were 16 to 18.
Posted by: r hennigantx H1B trainee at November 17, 2025 12:13 PM (gbOdA)
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off sox
Posted by: r hennigantx at November 17, 2025 12:13 PM (gbOdA)
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If prices do stabilize or even go down the MSM will credit Mamdani and that socialist wench in Seattle. Count on it.
Posted by: Ripley at November 17, 2025 12:14 PM (GUOwU)
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Shut up and get out of The Donald’s way. Why? Because when Snowdon was asked why nobody has dirt on President Trump he replied, “There isn’t any.”
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at November 17, 2025 12:14 PM (Lnjzl)
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If you just look at numbers, the price of housing as a percent of someone's income has gone way up.
Sure, but that wasn't what I was addressing. The price of housing has gone up, but its not a major concern for young people because they don't want to buy a house anyway.
Sure, but that wasn't what I was addressing. The price of housing has gone up, but its not a major concern for young people because they don't want to buy a house anyway.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2025 12:14 PM (dfIr7)
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A starter home used to be less than 1,000 sq ft and one bath. Now it's 3,000/4 or 5 bedrooms and 4 baths.
Posted by: NCKate at November 17, 2025 12:01 PM (uQzkA)
Good point. Now, you go to a new subdivision, and what do you find? Row upon row of identical McMansions on postage-stamp lots. The builders build them because they can sell them. You want a 2-bedroom, one bath house, you're going to have buy an old one. And if you own the land, and can afford to build, you're not going to build a 2-br, one bath house, because you may never be able to sell it.
Posted by: NCKate at November 17, 2025 12:01 PM (uQzkA)
Good point. Now, you go to a new subdivision, and what do you find? Row upon row of identical McMansions on postage-stamp lots. The builders build them because they can sell them. You want a 2-bedroom, one bath house, you're going to have buy an old one. And if you own the land, and can afford to build, you're not going to build a 2-br, one bath house, because you may never be able to sell it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2025 12:14 PM (npFr7)
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I have a bunch of old made in USA craftsman tools I was looking to donate to any of the high schools in our area, none of them do any auto shop classes any longer.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2025 12:13 PM (0N4FZ)
Diocese of Arlington is looking to stand up a Catholic trade school in the very near future. Since it would be from scratch, I'm sure they'd take them, albeit maybe not for a few months...
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2025 12:13 PM (0N4FZ)
Diocese of Arlington is looking to stand up a Catholic trade school in the very near future. Since it would be from scratch, I'm sure they'd take them, albeit maybe not for a few months...
Posted by: Nova Local at November 17, 2025 12:15 PM (tOcjL)
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>>That comes from the executive's tone at the top. Trump is not chill and he's not all that positive right now
Yes he is. He just led the first government shut down win Republicans have had in decades. Maybe ever. Chuck walked away wearing his bony ass as a hat and will likely retire.
He's got Democrats whining about the Epstein files and it's already blowing up in their faces. Regardless of what the media says, prices are going down. You don't need a talking head to tell you the price at the pumps is down. They don't even bother talking about eggs anymore.
There is an obvious concerted effort to make everyone our side pessimistic. Maybe we should stop playing their game for a change.
Yes he is. He just led the first government shut down win Republicans have had in decades. Maybe ever. Chuck walked away wearing his bony ass as a hat and will likely retire.
He's got Democrats whining about the Epstein files and it's already blowing up in their faces. Regardless of what the media says, prices are going down. You don't need a talking head to tell you the price at the pumps is down. They don't even bother talking about eggs anymore.
There is an obvious concerted effort to make everyone our side pessimistic. Maybe we should stop playing their game for a change.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 17, 2025 12:15 PM (viF8m)
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I have a bunch of old made in USA craftsman tools I was looking to donate to any of the high schools in our area, none of them do any auto shop classes any longer.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2025 12:13 PM (0N4FZ)
Unless you're 1000 years old and sitting in a captain pike chair I would hold onto that stuff.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2025 12:13 PM (0N4FZ)
Unless you're 1000 years old and sitting in a captain pike chair I would hold onto that stuff.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 17, 2025 12:15 PM (snZF9)
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Oooh, I got a plan. It's perfect.
All congressmutants and senators can vote on a bill as many times as they care to. But each recorded vote costs $1 million. They can raise all the money they like from wherever they like, domestic, foreign, corporate, private, don't matter.
But every single dollar has to be recorded as to where/whom it's from, and that has to be made public. And every dollar raised goes into funding all the dumb "free" shit they all give out to buy their votes with. All income, sales, property, etc etc taxes are done away with, forever.
Take crony capitalism to its absurd endpoint so that it wraps around and eats itself.
All congressmutants and senators can vote on a bill as many times as they care to. But each recorded vote costs $1 million. They can raise all the money they like from wherever they like, domestic, foreign, corporate, private, don't matter.
But every single dollar has to be recorded as to where/whom it's from, and that has to be made public. And every dollar raised goes into funding all the dumb "free" shit they all give out to buy their votes with. All income, sales, property, etc etc taxes are done away with, forever.
Take crony capitalism to its absurd endpoint so that it wraps around and eats itself.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 17, 2025 12:15 PM (JwNbV)
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at November 17, 2025 12:15 PM (NFX2v)
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But there is suddenly a chorus of people demanding that Trump pivot to the economy and only the economy.
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Just saw some cogent analysis that deportation *is* about the economy. It's part of Trump's economic plan.
To decrease the competition for resources and assets. Bessant himself is making the argument that importing 30 million people is inflationary it and of itself. Especially when you have the government "borrowing" or printing money to pay them super-welfare.
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Just saw some cogent analysis that deportation *is* about the economy. It's part of Trump's economic plan.
To decrease the competition for resources and assets. Bessant himself is making the argument that importing 30 million people is inflationary it and of itself. Especially when you have the government "borrowing" or printing money to pay them super-welfare.
Posted by: Axeman at November 17, 2025 12:15 PM (krQz2)
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Hey whig!
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 17, 2025 12:16 PM (22p5n)
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Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at November 17, 2025 12:16 PM (qSteT)
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I’ve being saying for at least two decades now that we need to change our school system to a combination of college prep high schools and Vocational trade High Schools.
Having 90% of high schools today focused on college prep is a huge failure.
Having 90% of high schools today focused on college prep is a huge failure.
Posted by: the way I see it at November 17, 2025 12:16 PM (EYmYM)
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NOOD
Ace is up:
Washington Post: Democrat Delegate from Epstein Island, the Insanely Vicious and Corrupt Partisan Stacey Plaskett, Asked Anti-Trump Questions at a Congressional Hearing As Instructed to Do by Her Political Financier Jeffrey Epstein
NOOD!
NOOD
Ace is up:
Washington Post: Democrat Delegate from Epstein Island, the Insanely Vicious and Corrupt Partisan Stacey Plaskett, Asked Anti-Trump Questions at a Congressional Hearing As Instructed to Do by Her Political Financier Jeffrey Epstein
NOOD!
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at November 17, 2025 12:16 PM (O7YUW)
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279 If I'm honest, I think Supreme Court should rightly overturn that whole tariff law and flat out say Congress can't give away its Constitutional powers without an amendment to that doc...
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Isn't going to happen. Congress HAS to delegate to the executive to exercise its powers because due to separation of powers, it cannot exercise those powers other than legislative itself. Very few states have strict non delegation doctrines because in today's world--legislatures are too slow and the consequences of policy decisions are much faster than legislative bodies can operate.
That is why every dire emergency results in Congress granting more and more power via statute to the Executive (which is also why the US has never declared war since WWII). Too many statutes over the years would be triggered giving a president almost absolute authority over the economy and civil liberties in such a case and Scotus, like in WWII, will do nothing to prevent that.
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Isn't going to happen. Congress HAS to delegate to the executive to exercise its powers because due to separation of powers, it cannot exercise those powers other than legislative itself. Very few states have strict non delegation doctrines because in today's world--legislatures are too slow and the consequences of policy decisions are much faster than legislative bodies can operate.
That is why every dire emergency results in Congress granting more and more power via statute to the Executive (which is also why the US has never declared war since WWII). Too many statutes over the years would be triggered giving a president almost absolute authority over the economy and civil liberties in such a case and Scotus, like in WWII, will do nothing to prevent that.
Posted by: whig at November 17, 2025 12:16 PM (WDjG6)
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The big change I have noticed is yards. Houses are being built without any yard or a tiny strip. New home owners just don't want to mow the lawn and nobody goes outdoors so you don't need anywhere to play.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 17, 2025 12:17 PM (dfIr7)
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Sure, but that wasn't what I was addressing. The price of housing has gone up, but its not a major concern for young people because they don't want to buy a house anyway.
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Where are you getting this from?
You raelly if you surveyed young americans "would you like housing to become more affordable so you have the option own your own home?" and you think most Americans under 40 would say "no" to that question and say they just want to rent forever?
Affordable housing prices have a direct link to rental rates also. If a house is twice as valuable, the rental rate will usually reflect that.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Where are you getting this from?
You raelly if you surveyed young americans "would you like housing to become more affordable so you have the option own your own home?" and you think most Americans under 40 would say "no" to that question and say they just want to rent forever?
Affordable housing prices have a direct link to rental rates also. If a house is twice as valuable, the rental rate will usually reflect that.
Posted by: Leupold at November 17, 2025 12:17 PM (eIzlH)
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People also probably say they like being renters because the alternative is completely unaffordable for what you get. A shit home for like $500k. Renting starts looking appealing.
I don't know how that serves American interest to have a huge underclass of renters so a handful of Wall Street firms can make some more money.
It seems a lot of people just want the status quo.
Posted by: Leupold at November 17, 2025 12:12 PM
I am not sure where you are located but for $500K you can buy a very nice 1800-2000 SF single story custom built house on a 1 acre lot for that kind of money here in NE Texas and have some cash left over to fill it with furniture.
Granted you aren't going to be able to build something on the lake but you won't be in the ghetto either.
I don't know how that serves American interest to have a huge underclass of renters so a handful of Wall Street firms can make some more money.
It seems a lot of people just want the status quo.
Posted by: Leupold at November 17, 2025 12:12 PM
I am not sure where you are located but for $500K you can buy a very nice 1800-2000 SF single story custom built house on a 1 acre lot for that kind of money here in NE Texas and have some cash left over to fill it with furniture.
Granted you aren't going to be able to build something on the lake but you won't be in the ghetto either.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2025 12:17 PM (0N4FZ)
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Taxes are deflationary, but I guess the Republican left has abandoned reason in favor of Trump hatred.
Posted by: Oglebay at November 17, 2025 11:15 AM
Tell me, GOPe, when did you abandon reason for madness?
Posted by: Oglebay at November 17, 2025 11:15 AM
Tell me, GOPe, when did you abandon reason for madness?
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297 I'd be happy with something near that for an ender home. Maybe 1200 sqft.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 17, 2025 12:13 PM (ExV1e)
I grew up in a 1200 sqft. It was plenty of space.
Of course, it was just my father and I...
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 17, 2025 12:13 PM (ExV1e)
I grew up in a 1200 sqft. It was plenty of space.
Of course, it was just my father and I...
Posted by: XTC at November 17, 2025 12:19 PM (UnA8+)
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Where I live 20 years ago apartments were few and far between. It was cheap enough to buy that there was very little demand for apartments. Today everywhere you look there’s an apartment complex. Some are massive like 500+ units. Some have 3 or even 4 bedrooms. Which means families with multiple kids. It’s sad.
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Glad to see you here, whig. Hope you're feeling much better.
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Hi SMH and L. Surgery consult this Friday so I am feeling better simply because I have few doctor appts this week. Thanks for caring.
Posted by: whig
Glad to see you here, whig. Hope you're feeling much better.
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Hi SMH and L. Surgery consult this Friday so I am feeling better simply because I have few doctor appts this week. Thanks for caring.
Posted by: whig at November 17, 2025 12:19 PM (WDjG6)
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Odd that I occasionally check websites like zillow and there are tons of medium-priced homes in any zip code you look (other than the classically notoriously expensive ones). No, these aren't 5,000 sf mansions on acres of property. But they are solid homes that anyone with a decent job can afford.
All the bullshit to the contrary is an op. Don't be fooled.
All the bullshit to the contrary is an op. Don't be fooled.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 17, 2025 12:20 PM (iFTx/)
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312 Election Wizard
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Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at November 17, 2025 12:16 PM (qSteT)
And yet we still don't know jack shit about Stephen Paddock...
@ElectionWiz
🚨 BREAKING: Newly uncovered accounts tied to Trump rally shooter Thomas Matthew Crooks reveal transgender ideology, “furry” fetish content, and ties to a retired FBI agent, per NYP.
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Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at November 17, 2025 12:16 PM (qSteT)
And yet we still don't know jack shit about Stephen Paddock...
Posted by: XTC at November 17, 2025 12:20 PM (UnA8+)
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323 Odd that I occasionally check websites like zillow and there are tons of medium-priced homes in any zip code you look (other than the classically notoriously expensive ones). No, these aren't 5,000 sf mansions on acres of property. But they are solid homes that anyone with a decent job can afford.
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What does medium price mean? And are these in the ghetto?
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What does medium price mean? And are these in the ghetto?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at November 17, 2025 12:22 PM (u9SGQ)
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the power was delegated to the president starting about 1900's because Congress simply could not function dealing with a hundred countries tariff schedules and tariffs are as much foreign policy as they are domestic.
Posted by: whig at November 17, 2025 12:09 PM (WDjG6)
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Mega-thanks for that, Whig!
And that does make sense, because Congress can always rein his tariff power in.
Let's say that the IRS found a new X-factor in sniffing out the biggest tax cheats, and the president gave an executive order to audit all those fitting that profile, and it resulted in heaps more revenue for the federal government. As long as he wasn't subverting tax laws, the increase in revenue would not be "usurping Congressional power of revenue".
The main issue with Iran-Contra (IMO) is that the president also allocated funds from the extra-legal revenue, which is questionable in light of Congress' budgeting power.
Posted by: whig at November 17, 2025 12:09 PM (WDjG6)
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Mega-thanks for that, Whig!
And that does make sense, because Congress can always rein his tariff power in.
Let's say that the IRS found a new X-factor in sniffing out the biggest tax cheats, and the president gave an executive order to audit all those fitting that profile, and it resulted in heaps more revenue for the federal government. As long as he wasn't subverting tax laws, the increase in revenue would not be "usurping Congressional power of revenue".
The main issue with Iran-Contra (IMO) is that the president also allocated funds from the extra-legal revenue, which is questionable in light of Congress' budgeting power.
Posted by: Axeman at November 17, 2025 12:22 PM (krQz2)
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"Ford's biggest problem is its president. True for GM and Chrysler, too."
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True, airlines too. Those CEOs make $24 million to $33 million per year. Their job is to jack up share price and massage the govt for more favors.
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True, airlines too. Those CEOs make $24 million to $33 million per year. Their job is to jack up share price and massage the govt for more favors.
Posted by: Random PJ at November 17, 2025 12:24 PM (RRCAT)
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Density hawks here want apts without parking.
Ride the bus, plebes!
Ride the bus, plebes!
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at November 17, 2025 12:25 PM (20rp9)
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‘ But I find myself wondering, what would it look like if both parties were willing to run scorched earth every time, with no attempts at collegiality?’
I’d really like to find out. I am so sick of the GOP.
‘ But I find myself wondering, what would it look like if both parties were willing to run scorched earth every time, with no attempts at collegiality?’
I’d really like to find out. I am so sick of the GOP.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 17, 2025 12:32 PM (jbnUc)
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Great post thanks!
Posted by: HughDePayens at November 17, 2025 12:34 PM (wYZl5)
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Am I too optimistic in believing that the Trump Admin saw all this nonsense coming?
Posted by: HughDePayens at November 17, 2025 12:36 PM (wYZl5)
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A globalist is merely an American who has been issued a passport. Especially if said passport has visas.
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 17, 2025 01:01 PM (sVOFR)
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That is why every dire emergency results in Congress granting more and more power via statute to the Executive (which is also why the US has never declared war since WWII).
It helps immensely to know what a declaration of war actually DOES rather than thinking you know what it does.
It helps immensely to know what a declaration of war actually DOES rather than thinking you know what it does.
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 17, 2025 01:16 PM (sVOFR)
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Is Stacey something important?
Should all/any Americans be interested in her relationship with Epstein?
On the other hand ......... Trump had a relationship with Trump long after his conviction
Americans are interested. And I think tightly so, and worried about their standard of living
Hillary's emails? Non voting hide of rep. From virgin islands ? Sort of niche concerns
Should all/any Americans be interested in her relationship with Epstein?
On the other hand ......... Trump had a relationship with Trump long after his conviction
Americans are interested. And I think tightly so, and worried about their standard of living
Hillary's emails? Non voting hide of rep. From virgin islands ? Sort of niche concerns
Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at November 17, 2025 01:51 PM (i4lCP)
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