Gun Thread: Third November Edition!

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Holy Shitballs! How in the ever-loving Hell did it get to be the Third November Edition? Now that Halloween is in the rearview mirror, are you getting ready for Thanksgiving?

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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FUNdamentals

Well will you looky here. More pistol fundamentals! Funny how our favorite concept, focusing on fundamentals, keeps coming up, huh? Anyhow, here's a guy outdoors in the cold and snow and wearing gloves.

Back in my coaching days, new shooters seemed to be looking to me for one weird trick that would improve their shooting and make them a world-class marksman. Many were disappointed to learn the weird trick was practice and a focus on fundamentals. That's the trick. Easy peasey.

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Indoor Shooting

Has the cooling fall weather chased you inside? Our pal "Jer" gives us some tips for shooting indoors.

Which do you prefer, shooting inside or outside, and why?

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Colt 607

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More High-Speed Camera Shooting Fun

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Good to Know

At a loss on how to interact with range babes? The Gun Thread has you covered.

and...

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Highway Patrol!

This week's episode: Oil Lease!

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Zontar - The Thing From Venus!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

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Posted by: Eromero at November 16, 2025 07:00 PM (/Pum5)

2 KABOOM!!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 07:00 PM (OF02a)

3 Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and as always let us be thankful for our host Weasel!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at November 16, 2025 07:01 PM (v23vE)

4 Nooding duties performed.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at November 16, 2025 07:01 PM (O7YUW)

5 Evening y'all.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 16, 2025 07:02 PM (2WIwB)

6 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at November 16, 2025 07:02 PM (BCwQW)

7 Weasel, a thank you is never enough for all that you do.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 16, 2025 07:02 PM (zzXla)

8 No Kaboom for me.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 16, 2025 07:02 PM (f4KJa)

9 My pastor told a great story this morning about bagging a deer.

It basically walked right up to him as he was going back to his vehicle. So he shot it.

Now he's done hunting for the year and can back to his schoolwork (he's working on his doctorate).

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 16, 2025 07:02 PM (IBQGV)

10 Here!
But DILIT just made Beef Stew.
BBL!

Posted by: RI Red at November 16, 2025 07:03 PM (aZ9eR)

11 I'll take shooting outside every time.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 16, 2025 07:03 PM (2WIwB)

12 My pastor told a great story this morning about bagging a deer.

It basically walked right up to him as he was going back to his vehicle. So he shot it.

Now he's done hunting for the year and can back to his schoolwork (he's working on his doctorate).
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 16, 2025 07:02 PM (IBQGV)

So you're saying maybe hold off on the baptismal thing?

Posted by: Diogenes at November 16, 2025 07:04 PM (2WIwB)

13 A friend sent a picture of a deer he shot and I honestly can't tell how many points it is. I have never seen such a rack.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 16, 2025 07:05 PM (zzXla)

14 Isn't the western tv show Gunsmoke set in the pre smokeless powder Era? There oughta be moar smoke.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at November 16, 2025 07:05 PM (cXXCb)

15 So you're saying maybe hold off on the baptismal thing?
Posted by: Diogenes at November 16, 2025 07:04 PM (2WIwB)
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Heh. We did that LAST Sunday.

Baptized around 18 people!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 16, 2025 07:05 PM (IBQGV)

16 . I have never seen such a rack.

Still $20 same as in town.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at November 16, 2025 07:06 PM (cXXCb)

17 No range report.

Where do I prefer to shoot? Outdoors if it is not to cold or driving rain. Though I did go skeet shooting with my nephew one time when a Nor'Easter was coming through.
That was fun. :-)

Also, I am about an hour and a half away from the outdoor range I belong to. The closest indoor range for me is about a half hour.
I will go there only for pistol.
That distance from the outdoor range has to be taken into account. Easily could be gone for 5 or more hours. Really eats into the day.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 07:06 PM (OF02a)

18 Good evening everyone
Did I read it correctly that firearm suppressors no longer have that $200 tax on them?

Posted by: Skip at November 16, 2025 07:07 PM (+qU29)

19 Got practical shewtin’ in
High spine/neck shot on a nice fat buck. Henry BigBoy in .44 with Hornady LeverEvolution.
He’s at the local Amish butcher in the process of becoming scrapple, snack sticks, roasts and ground meat.

Their ring and sweet bologna is addictive, as are the snack sticks. First time for the scrapple.

Report in 2 weeks…

Thanks Weasel and ver happy Thanksgiving to all

Posted by: Coelacanth at November 16, 2025 07:08 PM (1yQAg)

20 Did I read it correctly that firearm suppressors no longer have that $200 tax on them?

Posted by: Skip at November 16, 2025 07:07 PM (+qU29)

I think the tax goes away next year.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 16, 2025 07:08 PM (n9ltV)

21 13 I have never seen such a rack.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 16, 2025 07:05 PM

That is what a much younger me thought when I saw Dolly Parton for the first time.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 07:09 PM (OF02a)

22 Got to load and unload my hunting rifle about 16 times over the past two weekends, but did not shoot.

Posted by: scampydog at November 16, 2025 07:10 PM (cRmMq)

23 Gunsmoke made sure Matt’s pistol made a huge boom. He was pretty scrappy, he got shot something like 87 times, knocked out 23, and poisoned once in 20 years.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 16, 2025 07:10 PM (nC+3t)

24 20 I think the tax goes away next year.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 16, 2025 07:08 PM

But I believe it will still be illegal to own one in NY, not sure about NJ.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 07:10 PM (OF02a)

25 BLAM BLAM BLAM!!!

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 16, 2025 07:10 PM (mT+6a)

26 That old guy shooting at the indoor range seems to be a pretty good shot.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 16, 2025 07:10 PM (n9ltV)

27 I have some extra fooling around money and plan on buying an AR pistol this week while they're legal again. The one I plan on has an adjustable brace, AR carry handle and sights. Now, this is a 7.5" barrel. Shooting sessions will seldom exceed 100 rounds. Opinions on load to use in such a short barrel.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 16, 2025 07:11 PM (gm9Sb)

28 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 16, 2025 07:10 PM (n9ltV)
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He's okay.

Posted by: Weasel at November 16, 2025 07:11 PM (e1OlP)

29 25 BLAM BLAM BLAM!!!

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 16, 2025 07:10 PM

PEW PEW........PEW

Mozambique baby.

Evening nurse!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 07:12 PM (OF02a)

30 There’s a meat locker I know of that makes beef & cheese sticks that are so good they should be illegal. Makes the commercial stuff taste like trash in comparison, which it probably is.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 16, 2025 07:12 PM (nC+3t)

31 Good evening everyone
Did I read it correctly that firearm suppressors no longer have that $200 tax on them?
Posted by: Skip at November 16, 2025 07:07 PM (+qU29)

That takes effect on January 1. But a lot of manufacturers are offering $200 discounts on their stuff right now. Keep in mind, just because the $200 tax goes away does not mean the NFA paperwork goes away too. If you want a quick turnaround (one week or less), you'll have to submit that paperwork via the E-forms system BATFE uses. Dead tree is still OK too, but getting fingerprint cards is a PITA and will extend your packet's turnaround time to about six months if you insist on paper. You can't take your suppressor home until BATFE says it's OK to do so.

Posted by: Ed L at November 16, 2025 07:13 PM (BCwQW)

32 Early to the thread and most likely early to leave, I picked up a High Standard Sentinel 22 LR last week and did a bit of bore and cylinder cleaning, crusty rust removal from barrel and cylinder, lockup was tight, barrel was excellent, dates from about 1957-8. Not an expensive firearm by any means but collector condition ones are going now for about 400-500 bucks.

The design is unique with only one screw (the grip screw). Designer was Harry Sefried who later became chief designer at Ruger for the Security Six, Mini 14, and Redhawk projects among others.

Harry came to High Standard from Winchester where he worked briefly with David Carbine Williams on the M1 Carbine among other projects.

Sears, under the JC Higgins imprint, also sold these. Aluminum frame, steel cylinder and barrel, and put together almost entirely as I mentioned above with pins instead of screws. Excellent sights for an older 50's design and the plastic grips are comfortable without using Tyler T grips or Magna Grips, etc. High Standard made them until the 70's along with some rare variants like colored frames (anodized), 22 Magnum, etc.

Excellent kit gun type accuracy btw.

Posted by: whig at November 16, 2025 07:13 PM (WDjG6)

33 Yay! Gubs!

Range report...took advantage of the fine weather yesterday to zero my new (to me) Savage 110EP. Great shooting rifle. S&B 142gr HPBT, and my shit was a little wobbly, but it was shooting 0.5 MOA. I look forward to seeing how it performs at longer ranges when my shit is not wobbly.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 16, 2025 07:14 PM (Wnv9h)

34 14 ... "Isn't the western tv show Gunsmoke set in the pre smokeless powder Era? There oughta be moar smoke."

Yep, there should. But TV shows and movies are seldom accurate about firearms. On a calm day I need to wait for the smoke from my flintlock to clear to see the target. The phrase 'fog of war' might be a metaphor for confusion. But in the old days of armies using black powder guns and canons the smoke cold obscure the entire battlefield.

Posted by: JTB at November 16, 2025 07:15 PM (yTvNw)

35 That is what a much younger me thought when I saw Dolly Parton for the first time.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 07:09 PM (OF02a)

Now you've done it!

https://youtu.be/v2HhQ0TsKLI

Maclean and Maclean. Totally NSFW, you have been warned.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 16, 2025 07:15 PM (npFr7)

36 Heya Scoobs!

Outdoor shooting is preferable to indoor. Even more fun in the woods with friends on DNR lands.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 16, 2025 07:16 PM (mT+6a)

37 Good evening Horde. Thanks Weasel!

Posted by: TRex - unwobbly dino at November 16, 2025 07:16 PM (IQ6Gq)

38 Did I read it correctly that firearm suppressors no longer have that $200 tax on them?
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I think the tax goes away next year.

I'm holding off pending the outcome of the court cases challenging NFA registration on the basis that without the tax there is no constitutional justification for registration. Which makes sense to me and also to Chuck (U.) Schumer who tried to amend the BBB to make the tax $1.00 instead of $0.00.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 07:16 PM (3nLb4)

39 32 My ex wife still has a Sentinel snubby in .22 Magnum. Fine gun, it is last generation of the Sentinels and resembles a later Detective Special. In .22Mag, lots of blast, lots of flash. I have to remember to have the one kid clue her in on new defense loads for short barreled .22Mags.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 16, 2025 07:17 PM (gm9Sb)

40 I look forward to seeing how it performs at longer ranges when my shit is not wobbly.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 16, 2025 07:14 PM (Wnv9h)

Great rifle! And the 6.5 Creedmoor can reach out a very long way!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 16, 2025 07:17 PM (n9ltV)

41 31 Posted by: Ed L at November 16, 2025 07:13 PM

Ed L, that is one of the first things I will be purchasing for my newest rifle when I leave the State of NY for good.

Hell, might even buy an AR-15 style rifle and throw one on there when I get to Florida.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 07:17 PM (OF02a)

42 But in the old days of armies using black powder guns and canons
Posted by: JTB

I didn't know the Swiss Guard had fought any major battles since firearms were invented.

Posted by: mikeski at November 16, 2025 07:18 PM (nhCoE)

43 Gunsmoke made sure Matt’s pistol made a huge boom. He was pretty scrappy, he got shot something like 87 times, knocked out 23, and poisoned once in 20 years.
Posted by: Common Tater
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OTOH, as it were, Matt Dillon slapfest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPPgcq-wWqc&t=2s

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 16, 2025 07:19 PM (XeU6L)

44 27 I have some extra fooling around money and plan on buying an AR pistol this week while they're legal again. The one I plan on has an adjustable brace, AR carry handle and sights. Now, this is a 7.5" barrel. Shooting sessions will seldom exceed 100 rounds. Opinions on load to use in such a short barrel.
Posted by: bill in arkansas
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If you want 7.5 barrel, don't bother with a 223/5.56 as the blast is simply nasty. The variants like the .300 Blackout or even the 6.8 SPC do decently in the shorter barrel without the blast.

Best barrel length for 223/5.56 to avoid muzzle blast and rougher handling pistol length overgassed systems, is about 10.5-11 inches with a forward compensator to direct blast forward. That gives you a longer gas system reducing the rougher cycling to a carbine length gas system so you can avoid putting an adjustable gas block on it.

Improves ballistics substantially as the 223/.5.56 was designed around a 20 inch barrel length, the M4 was a kludge mainly because 20 inch barrels aint the greatest in close combat and egress from armored vehicles. The BO and the 6.8 Spec were designed ground up for short barrels and the BO allows subsonic heavies as well.

Posted by: whig at November 16, 2025 07:19 PM (WDjG6)

45 Opinions on load to use in such a short barrel.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 16, 2025 07:11 PM (gm9Sb)

Are you shooting 5.56mm NATO? I understand that SOCOM favors heavier 5.56mm rounds (69-77 grains) when using short barrels today. The lighter M193 rounds used in Vietnam era XM177E2 carbines (10.5") had a tendency to keyhole and become erratic outside of very short (50m?) ranges. If you decide to mount a suppressor to reduce muzzle blast/flash, it'll need a lot of cleaning to remove the fouling that'll get deposited inside the suppressor.

Posted by: Ed L at November 16, 2025 07:19 PM (BCwQW)

46 Howdy!

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at November 16, 2025 07:21 PM (sAmhv)

47 Mea culpa, had to look it up, for accuracy. They should count the radio show too, which would add to the total.

Marshall Dillon was shot 56 times during the 20-year run of the television show. He was also knocked unconscious 29 times, stabbed three times, and poisoned once

Posted by: Common Tater at November 16, 2025 07:21 PM (nC+3t)

48 During the introduction of Gunsmoke episodes, the guy Jim Arness is facing in the street duel is Arvo Ojala, a noted holster maker and quick draw champion in the 1950s. Operated out of the PNW IIRC. Lots of Finns settled there.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 16, 2025 07:21 PM (gm9Sb)

49 If you want 7.5 barrel, don't bother with a 223/5.56 as the blast is simply nasty.

But I still want an OA-93.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 07:22 PM (3nLb4)

50 39 32 My ex wife still has a Sentinel snubby in .22 Magnum. Fine gun, it is last generation of the Sentinels and resembles a later Detective Special. In .22Mag, lots of blast, lots of flash. I have to remember to have the one kid clue her in on new defense loads for short barreled .22Mags.
Posted by: bill in arkansas
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The 22 Mags are still a relatively rare revolver even among the big makes. Some have teh convertible cylinders in single actions which generally sucks on accuracy as the bullet diameters of teh two cartridges are not the same.

Seems to be making a comeback and I like my bolt action Marlin 783 just fine in 22 Mag.

Posted by: whig at November 16, 2025 07:24 PM (WDjG6)

51 But TV shows and movies are seldom accurate about firearms.
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Tuco at the gunshop. He was buying with a cap & ball revolver, but it took metallic cartridges.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 16, 2025 07:25 PM (nC+3t)

52 Zontar is a remake of It Conquered the World.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 16, 2025 07:25 PM (pkeXY)

53 36 Outdoor shooting is preferable to indoor. Even more fun in the woods with friends on DNR lands.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 16, 2025 07:16 PM

I totally agree with you nurse. My outdoor range is in the Northwest NJ which is kinda mountainous. And I have shot there many a time with CBD.

But on a cold winters day with snow on the ground I will go indoors.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 07:25 PM (OF02a)

54 Harry came to High Standard from Winchester where he worked briefly with David Carbine Williams
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Williams worked up the basis for the M1 carbine while in prison. A good 'ol North Carolina moonshiner. Well, there was the matter of that dead deputy sheriff:
"Williams began operating an illegal distillery near Godwin, North Carolina. On July 22, 1921, the Cumberland County Sheriff and five deputies seized the still and product after the workers fled. While transporting the evidence away from the scene, the deputies came under gunfire from the woods. Riding away from the scene on the police car sideboard, Deputy Sheriff Alfred Jackson Pate was struck by two bullets and died at the scene. Williams was arrested for the murder the following day.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 16, 2025 07:25 PM (XeU6L)

55 Great rifle! And the 6.5 Creedmoor can reach out a very long way!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 16, 2025 07:17 PM

Yes it is! Very comfortable to shoot. It has a 30 MOA base, which is almost the limit of the scope's vertical travel below mech zero. It's got enough elevation to let a 6.5 really reach out. NH will be fun.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 16, 2025 07:26 PM (Wnv9h)

56 RMBS, fix that wobbly shit!!!!

Just kiddin ;-)

Look forward to seeing your newest acquisition next year.

RI Red, when can we expect the invite?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 07:27 PM (OF02a)

57 Speaking of black powder weapons, the Ken Burns Revolution series starts on PBS tonight. Based on his previous series I don't have much confidence about the content being objective or balanced. And there is no one to do what Shelby Foote did in the Civil War shows. I do hope for some effective music, like the Ashokan Farewell. I'll invest a couple of hours and hope for the best.

Posted by: JTB at November 16, 2025 07:27 PM (yTvNw)

58 Ed L, that is one of the first things I will be purchasing for my newest rifle when I leave the State of NY for good.

Hell, might even buy an AR-15 style rifle and throw one on there when I get to Florida.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 07:17 PM (OF02a)

Scuba Dude, you might want to take a look at 9 Hole Reviews' clone build of the MAC-V SOG M16A1, the Mark 4 Mod 0. This is an essentially an M16A1 kit build on a built out 80% lower fitted w/ 4X Colt scope and an Allen Engineering suppressor clone of the original. Because it still has a 20" barrel, it's able to score hits out to 500 yards. The video also discusses the build for a gastight charging handle and controlling the gases directed back at the shooter from the suppressor, which definitely sounds useful for anyone looking to suppress a direct gas impingement rifle/carbine.

Posted by: Ed L at November 16, 2025 07:27 PM (BCwQW)

59 51 Two people make sure firearms are historically accurate in their movies, Tom Selleck and Kevin Costner. Selleck even had a character packing an Evans Rifle in one flick.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 16, 2025 07:27 PM (gm9Sb)

60 During the introduction of Gunsmoke episodes, the guy Jim Arness is facing in the street duel is Arvo Ojala, a noted holster maker and quick draw champion in the 1950s.
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Believe that he trained a lot actors how to fast-draw.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 16, 2025 07:28 PM (XeU6L)

61 RMBS, you asked last week about best loads for 6.5. My advice was 140 g.
This week I tested my hypothesis by shooting 120s and 156s.
I think my reloading skills have improved. The 120s shot .380” and the 156s did .600”. (Pix over at my place). I’ll take anything under 1 MOA.
It’s going to be just what shoots best in your rifle.
Have fun!

Posted by: RI Red at November 16, 2025 07:28 PM (aZ9eR)

62 Good evening gubthreaders and all the ships at sea!

Posted by: blaster at November 16, 2025 07:28 PM (RoO7G)

63 Scoob!

Cold? You should come up in February. The last time RI Red helped me mount my scope, it was 16 degrees out. Fun day, but a bit nippy.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 16, 2025 07:29 PM (Wnv9h)

64 My uncle is an incredibly talented Marine. He has a range in his basement.

I'm on the gun thread. I'm wondering. I actually have my Canadian gun permits. Not horribly hard to get, but you jump through hoops and have classes.

It's been a horrible year. Weasel, thank you again and I am sorry. The second time my brother blew up my living situation after my Mother I took care of for 14 years, I lost it. Weasel was quick. Thank you. And again. I am so sorry.

Here's the question. In a round about way. After my year of loss, I am doing a lot better now. I see a path forward. In some darker moments, I actually did decide to call the Ontario health care system to see if I could get some help.

I don't have guns. This year, that was very good. But I was wondering how that would affect my gun permit. I don't think it matters unless I was a threat to myself or others. I never called suicide hotlines. Just the regular help people.

I told them I wasn't a danger to myself or others. I just had a year of loss, betrayal, potential homelessness and wanted to talk. I do have an appt in December. But again, I turned a corner.

Curiously, at what point can the government revoke your gun permit?

Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at November 16, 2025 07:29 PM (Sco7b)

65 45 it'll need a lot of cleaning to remove the fouling that'll get deposited inside the suppressor.

Posted by: Ed L at November 16, 2025 07:19 PM

I think one thing I might purchase to help the cleaning process is an ultrasonic cleaner.

Your thoughts?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 07:30 PM (OF02a)

66 Posted by: RI Red at November 16, 2025 07:28 PM

I have a few boxes of different match ammo. Now that I'm zeroed, I'll see what they can do and what the rifle likes.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 16, 2025 07:30 PM (Wnv9h)

67 evening all
Range report
Smaller than usual gathering of the DMV MGC, EdL, Blaster, Me and for the first time in a long time Stinky's Daddy. I was determined to work on sighting issues so only brought my two G48's, one with and one without dot. At 5 and 7 yards I could shoot both guns without the patch. Yay! At 10 yds, not so much. Because I seemed to be hitting the target, decided to think about trigger pull and exactly what part of my finger was actually pulling the trigger. I need to work on this but overall was pretty happy with how today went.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 16, 2025 07:31 PM (t/2Uw)

68 I used to have fun indoors with Aguila “hummingbird” .22 ammo, it won’t cycle but there is no powder in the cartridge, just the primer. Flobert makes a suitable round too. Great for vermin in the barn or whatever, won’t frighten the womenfolk or horses.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 16, 2025 07:31 PM (nC+3t)

69 But I still want an OA-93.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Then handload. The basic truth is that 223/5.56 was adapted from the triple deuce .222 and is essentially a varmint round relying on very high speed to punch through. You get that in longer barrel length as the 55 gr does upset ballistically at about 3000-3300 fps producing a wound out of normal for that bullet weight because it swing ass over teakettle (tumbling up to keyholing) when it encounters some obstacle like flesh. Brit's .303 Mark VII bullet did something similar producing substantially similar wounds to the more higher powered 8x57 and 30-06.

Short barrels make it difficult for the 5.56 to strut its stuff and if you want good performance in short barrels, forget what the military does (they can't use hunting bullets designed to fragment, hollowpoints for expansion, etc.). Shorter barrel are never going to be long distance shooters so go with cartridges designed from the ground up for them. Aka the 300 BO or the 6.8 SPC and both have plenty of hunting bullets and/or loaded ammo for anything up to boars and deer. 6.5 Grendel is similar but harder to find bullets/ammo for hunting.

Posted by: whig at November 16, 2025 07:31 PM (WDjG6)

70 Also, I am about an hour and a half away from the outdoor range I belong to. The closest indoor range for me is about a half hour.

My situation is similar even though I don't live in a bustling metropolis. The indoor range is conveniently close and pretty nice but only 25 yards. I've been waffling about joining one of the two outdoor ranges each about an hour and a half away because I'm just not sure I'd be able to get out there often enough to make it worthwhile.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 07:32 PM (3nLb4)

71 Thanks for the ammo advice up above.I'll try the heavier weight bullets in it. Like I said, shooting sessions will be low count affairs, just enough for fam firing and making sure the little guy will work when needed. Might buy a longer upper for longer shooting sessions.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 16, 2025 07:32 PM (gm9Sb)

72 61 RMBS, you asked last week about best loads for 6.5. My advice was 140 g.
Posted by: RI Red at November 16, 2025 07:28 PM

Ahem, I believe that was me asking. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 07:33 PM (OF02a)

73 Delivery person brought some .357 and some match grade .308. A different delivery person brought a nice leather holster for a 4.75 inch SAA clone.

4.75 SAA clone due in this week.

Also went to the range today. Got some good 9mm therapy smashing a paper target.

Posted by: blaster at November 16, 2025 07:33 PM (RoO7G)

74 63 Cold? You should come up in February. The last time RI Red helped me mount my scope, it was 16 degrees out. Fun day, but a bit nippy.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 16, 2025 07:29 PM

Nah, that's ok. I am moving to a much warmer climate to get away from the cold ya know!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 07:34 PM (OF02a)

75 Curiously, at what point can the government revoke your gun permit?
Posted by: Posted by: Stateless

I would suggest Canadian rifle forums etc. Your laws are substantially different than the US but federal law requires being committed (judicially) to be a bar for ownership/purchase (those that have criminal felonies and domestic violence misdemeanors or illegal drug users are too).

Posted by: whig at November 16, 2025 07:34 PM (WDjG6)

76 Curiously, at what point can the government revoke your gun permit?
——

Our government can’t revoke the 2nd Amendment. We don’t do permits. Your Canadians can revoke your permit at any time for any reason.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 16, 2025 07:34 PM (nC+3t)

77 BB and pellet guns are perfect for shooting indoors.

Posted by: fd at November 16, 2025 07:34 PM (vFG9F)

78 Hey all, again. Hey Weasel!

Have a question. Can I, as a newbie, show up empty-handed to a range here in SoCal (most of the acclaimed ones are in the Inland Empire) and ask to try shooting some handguns?

I'd assume they at least want me to (a) call first (b) give them info so they can look up my background, among other things.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 07:34 PM (cQHrm)

79 RI Red, when can we expect the invite?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 07:27 PM (OF02a)

Scoobs, as far as I am concerned, y’all can come up anytime! I do shoot all winter.
But we’ll do a spring shoot as soon as the ticks have hatched.

Posted by: RI Red at November 16, 2025 07:34 PM (aZ9eR)

80 Blaster put a very big hole in that paper target.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 16, 2025 07:35 PM (t/2Uw)

81 Williams was arrested for the murder the following day.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
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Decent movie about his story that popped up occasionally on TCM.

Posted by: whig at November 16, 2025 07:36 PM (WDjG6)

82 I think one thing I might purchase to help the cleaning process is an ultrasonic cleaner.

Your thoughts?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 07:30 PM (OF02a)

You'll have to check w/ the manufacturer and the instructions for your suppressor. Some suppressors can partially disassemble to let you get to their insides. Some won't. This is one part where old school wipes are better than modern baffles. The wipes after use, are disposed of. Baffles require some kind of cleaning.

Posted by: Ed L at November 16, 2025 07:37 PM (BCwQW)

83 67 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 16, 2025 07:31 PM

Just out of curiosity sharon, what do you prefer? Dot or no dot?

I am myself have red dots on both my pistols but 99% of the time I have them turned off and using iron sights. That is the drawback of belonging to a range that does not permit drawing from a holster or doing scoot and shoot.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 07:38 PM (OF02a)

84 Hey, everybody. No range report this week because, apparently, we're a plague house for this week.

As far as indoor vs outdoor shooting, well, when it's roughly five billion degrees in the shade with 6000 percent humidity, (numbers are approximate) indoor is indicated. I am looking forward to shooting outside when it's nice.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at November 16, 2025 07:38 PM (VmDLh)

85 Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 07:34 PM (cQHrm)
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Call a range and ask. Around here you just show up and rent the gear, sign a release, and shoot.

Posted by: Weasel at November 16, 2025 07:40 PM (DJPFk)

86 Weasel, thanks.
I'd imagine that here in CA those ranges are under Sacramento's microscope.

Also I still have trouble believing that Newsom was able to just ban every Glock handgun under the sun, just like that. Hope it's at least being challenged in the courts.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 07:41 PM (cQHrm)

87 I'd assume they at least want me to (a) call first (b) give them info so they can look up my background, among other things.

That seems prudent. I would also strongly recommending going to https://firearmtraining.nra.org/student-courses/ and finding an instructor near you. You'll go into the range safer and more confidently and get more out of it than starting from zero on your own.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 07:42 PM (3nLb4)

88 70 Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 07:32 PM

Oddbob, the indoor range I will go to has lanes out to 50 yards.

I do not belong to it as it is a tad pricey. I only go there if I want to do some shooting and do not want to trek up to my range

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 07:42 PM (OF02a)

89 Just out of curiosity sharon, what do you prefer? Dot or no dot?

I am myself have red dots on both my pistols but 99% of the time I have them turned off and using iron sights. That is the drawback of belonging to a range that does not permit drawing from a holster or doing scoot and shoot.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 07:38 PM (OF02a)

I have found (PRACTICING FUNDAMENTALS) that I shoot just as well with iron sights as I do with a dot but that I have quicker target acquisition with a dot.

Posted by: blaster at November 16, 2025 07:42 PM (RoO7G)

90 Oddbob, also thanks!

And re the 'dot or not dot' system, why not a feather system instead? Tickle your target before shooting.* ;-)

*sorry

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 07:43 PM (cQHrm)

91 Funny how our favorite concept, focusing on fundamentals, keeps coming up, huh?

You know, now that you happen to mention it, this does seem to occur more than one would expect given a normal probability distribution.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 16, 2025 07:43 PM (0sNs1)

92 78 Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 07:34 PM

Your best bet is to call the range or go online and see what their rules are.

The indoor range I go to will not rent a gun to me unless I am either a member or if I bring my personal gun to the range.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 07:44 PM (OF02a)

93 Oddbob, to this day I can't hear the word 'prudent' without thinking of Dana Carvey as George HW Bush.

"Not gonna bomb Saddam yet! Wouldn't be prudent!"

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 07:44 PM (cQHrm)

94 Haven't heard of this in a long time but I recall reading about wax bullets for indoor training. Revolver only. No powder, just the primer for propellant. Basically, you just pressed the case mouth into a piece of wax, sort of like a wadcutter. Also, I think the flash hole had to be enlarged slightly which made the case unsafe for regular loads.

No doubt there is information on the web for specifics. I imagine cleaning the bore could be a chore.

Posted by: JTB at November 16, 2025 07:45 PM (yTvNw)

95
I got yer thing from Venus right here.

Posted by: Kamala Harris at November 16, 2025 07:45 PM (VWtfl)

96 I have never seen such a rack.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 16, 2025 07:05 PM

That is what a much younger me thought when I saw Dolly Parton for the first time.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 07:09 PM (OF02a

Ahhh...Sharon G. A Tri-delt at Washington State.
Damn!

Posted by: Diogenes at November 16, 2025 07:45 PM (2WIwB)

97 Scuba, also thanks!

The decent ranges are all rather far away from me. Don't wanna make the drive without getting some bang-bang for my buck. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 07:45 PM (cQHrm)

98 82 I think one thing I might purchase to help the cleaning process is an ultrasonic cleaner.

Your thoughts?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude
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Why? I use ultrasonic cleaners for fired brass sometimes but a lot of parts nowadays are anondized aluminum with darkened finishes of various sorts.

Often these (and some plastics) do not like ultrasonic baths to clean. You can sometimes get wonky results as well if you have small parts that are not standard bluing etc.

FInd your solution that you want to use first and then investigate cleaners instead of buying the expensive cleaner first and then finding out your solution doesn't work is or is harmful to gun finishes.

Posted by: whig at November 16, 2025 07:46 PM (WDjG6)

99 I would suggest Canadian rifle forums etc. Your laws are substantially different than the US but federal law requires being committed (judicially) to be a bar for ownership/purchase (those that have criminal felonies and domestic violence misdemeanors or illegal drug users are too).

Posted by: whig at November 16, 2025 07:34 PM (WDjG6)

76 Curiously, at what point can the government revoke your gun permit?
——

Our government can’t revoke the 2nd Amendment. We don’t do permits. Your Canadians can revoke your permit at any time for any reason.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 16, 2025 07:34 PM (nC+3t

Thanks. If I was in the US, I wouldn't worry. But Canada.

I'm getting better but it really was a concern. And I looked into it. I have an appt in December. But I have regrouped. Everything is supposed to be confidential, but this is Canada.

Hell, there have been stories where US doctors were asking about guns in the house.

Thanks. I can't wait to start being here more.

And my uncle. US Marine. Near 80. Gun range in the basement. Dude rules.

Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at November 16, 2025 07:47 PM (Sco7b)

100 Indoor shooting ranges. Or outdoor for that matter.A person might be wise to see if they have a range master on duty when things get busy. Not to coach you if you know what you're doing, but to keep an eye out for the imbeciles. I had a moonlighting job at an indoor range and GS and we would get some real fools in from time to time. Outside of DC, we had some embassy security contracts, and sometimes non security people from the embassies would come in, a lot very ignorant about all things firearms, having seen the last Bruce Willis movie being their training.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 16, 2025 07:47 PM (gm9Sb)

101 A friend sent a picture of a deer he shot and I honestly can't tell how many points it is. I have never seen such a rack.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 16, 2025 07:05 PM

Western count is superior to Eastern count.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 16, 2025 07:48 PM (0sNs1)

102 I know that the cardinal rules for newbies at the shooting range are:

Move. Very. Slowly.
Never. surprise. your. trainer.
Tell them what you plan to do BEFORE you do it. Let them veto you if it's not safe.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 07:48 PM (cQHrm)

103 94 Haven't heard of this in a long time but I recall reading about wax bullets for indoor training. Revolver only. No powder, just the primer for propellant. Basically, you just pressed the case mouth into a piece of wax, sort of like a wadcutter. Also, I think the flash hole had to be enlarged slightly which made the case unsafe for regular loads.

No doubt there is information on the web for specifics. I imagine cleaning the bore could be a chore.
Posted by: JTB
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Speer also made plastic cases firing a primer only for rubber bullets that could be reused (saw them last sold a couple of years ago). Last I saw that was several years ago. Wax bullets are almost always homebrewed nowadays and I think Cast Boolits forum has had some threads on it.

Posted by: whig at November 16, 2025 07:48 PM (WDjG6)

104 I love the holosun green dot on my G48. It was well worth the extra cost. It is just sharper on the target. It also shuts off automatically so I don;t have to turn it off and immediately shakes awake when I take it out. The white dot iron sight on my other G48 is very crisp and I shoot almost as well with it. I try to keep in practice with both but today I put 4 rounds in one hole with the green dot so today it's my favorite. (-:

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 16, 2025 07:48 PM (t/2Uw)

105 Spooooonge!!!!
Good evening all.

Posted by: Rancherbob at November 16, 2025 07:50 PM (SqjGw)

106 Our government can’t revoke the 2nd Amendment.

HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! Oh you conservatives. You're hilarious!

Posted by: Gavin Newsom and you WILL RESPECT ME DAMMIT!!!!! at November 16, 2025 07:51 PM (cQHrm)

107 The indoor range I go to will not rent a gun to me unless I am either a member or if I bring my personal gun to the range.

I have also heard that some ranges won't rent to a person who comes in alone and the reason is quite sad. In the past, there was a spate of people using rental guns to harm themselves. Permanently IYKWIM. I recall two or three at local ranges in a fairly short time when I lived in the SF Bay area.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 07:51 PM (3nLb4)

108 101 A friend sent a picture of a deer he shot and I honestly can't tell how many points it is. I have never seen such a rack.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 16, 2025 07:05 PM

Western count is superior to Eastern count.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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AI augmented pix are going to be very appealing to fishermen and hunters alike.

Posted by: whig at November 16, 2025 07:51 PM (WDjG6)

109 off CA sock

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 07:51 PM (cQHrm)

110 79 Scoobs, as far as I am concerned, y’all can come up anytime! I do shoot all winter.
But we’ll do a spring shoot as soon as the ticks have hatched.

Posted by: RI Red at November 16, 2025 07:34 PM

Will keep you apprised. Not going to order the rifle until maybe February after I file my taxes. Already have the scope in hand.
And of course go to Ken Farrells and order the rings and base after I acquire rifle.

So maybe, just maybe, the whole thing could be assembled in March.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 07:52 PM (OF02a)

111 today I put 4 rounds in one hole with the green dot so today it's my favorite. (-:
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 16, 2025 07:48 PM

Impressive. Most impressive.

Posted by: The Fourth Shot at November 16, 2025 07:52 PM (0sNs1)

112 I have also heard that some ranges won't rent to a person who comes in alone and the reason is quite sad. In the past, there was a spate of people using rental guns to harm themselves. Permanently IYKWIM. I recall two or three at local ranges in a fairly short time when I lived in the SF Bay area.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Had that happen around here about twice several years ago. At one range, then at another local one. Too many people looking longingly at the exit door nowadays.

Posted by: whig at November 16, 2025 07:53 PM (WDjG6)

113 Haven't heard of this in a long time but I recall reading about wax bullets for indoor training. Revolver only. No powder, just the primer for propellant.

You used to be able to buy rubber "bullets" in common calibers for exactly that purpose. At close range, they would cut neat wadcutter-like holes in paper. No idea if they're still a thing.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 07:54 PM (3nLb4)

114 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 16, 2025 07:25 PM (XeU6L)

Carbine Williams' "floating chamber" was also used by Colt in its Service Model Ace handgun. The Service Model Ace was a 1911 modified to use .22LR for cheaper training. Earlier models (Colt Ace) had parts that were not interchangeable w/ .45 ACP models and failed to fully replicate the recoil of the .45 ACP cartridge. The Service Model Ace did a much better job than the Ace did. In addition to complete pistols, Colt made conversion kits for shooters to convert their Government Models to .22LR from .45 ACP through the 1970s.

Posted by: Ed L at November 16, 2025 07:54 PM (BCwQW)

115 I have also heard that some ranges won't rent to a person who comes in alone and the reason is quite sad. In the past, there was a spate of people using rental guns to harm themselves. Permanently IYKWIM. I recall two or three at local ranges in a fairly short time when I lived in the SF Bay area.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 07:51 PM (3nLb4)

I'm visiting today.

But that's a very smart policy.

Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at November 16, 2025 07:55 PM (Sco7b)

116 Wouldn't surprise me if a lot of ranges have, for the newbies, a "never more than one bullet at a time in the chamber" policy.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 07:55 PM (cQHrm)

117 Re ultrasound cleaning. I clean my filthy 22 can by disassembling and placing all the pieces in a plastic baggie full of CLR, then placing the sealed baggie in a water bath in the cleaner.
It keeps the cleaner from getting eaten up by the CLR, and all the gunk stays in the baggie.
I do notice that the titanium takes on a reddish hue after a while.

Posted by: RI Red at November 16, 2025 07:56 PM (aZ9eR)

118 for the newbies, a "never more than one bullet at a time in the chamber" policy.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 07:55 PM

This is a good policy for all.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 16, 2025 07:56 PM (0sNs1)

119 107 The range and gun shop I moonlighted at had rentals. Beretta model 70s (.22) were popular with the furriners that came in. One night, while the shop and range owner was in, a clerk pulled a Beretta 70 out of the showcase and it was cocked, safety off, and one in the spout. It was the mother of all safety meetings at closing time, with the boss throwing a coffee cup into the wall.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 16, 2025 07:56 PM (gm9Sb)

120 You used to be able to buy rubber "bullets" in common calibers for exactly that purpose. At close range, they would cut neat wadcutter-like holes in paper. No idea if they're still a thing.
Posted by: Oddbob

I was curious and just checked Speer still makes them and Midwayusa has them in stock for 38 Special. The bullets and cases are reusable but require using a primer (AND no powder whatsoever) to shoot. About like Aguila Calibre 22 LR.

Posted by: whig at November 16, 2025 07:56 PM (WDjG6)

121 Never more than one bullet at a time in the chamber is my policy all the time.

Posted by: fd at November 16, 2025 07:56 PM (vFG9F)

122 107 In the past, there was a spate of people using rental guns to harm themselves.
Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 07:51 PM

I believe that is the reason my indoor range will not rent out guns to someone just coming off the street.
They rent to me because I am bringing my own handguns and rent to get a feel for other guns without having to buy them.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 07:56 PM (OF02a)

123 Will keep you apprised. Not going to order the rifle until maybe February after I file my taxes. Already have the scope in hand.
And of course go to Ken Farrells and order the rings and base after I acquire rifle.

So maybe, just maybe, the whole thing could be assembled in March.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 07:52 PM

Just ordered a new Vortex for my Winchester to replace the one I swapped onto the Savage. Of course it's back ordered a couple of weeks. Farrell rings will be ordered when it ships.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 16, 2025 07:56 PM (Wnv9h)

124 Unless you have one of those rocket gun thingys.

Posted by: fd at November 16, 2025 07:57 PM (vFG9F)

125 Duncan, thanks. It would be cumbersome but most likely save lives, as well as severely limit the damage a crazy person can do.

Also, for newbies who really want to learn, numerous repetitious safe load-and-unload lessons are useful, I would think.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 07:58 PM (cQHrm)

126 fd, what I mean is, never more than one bullet anywhere in the gun. I know only one bullet can be fired at a time. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 07:58 PM (cQHrm)

127 Weasel, y'all talk about range babes, and the impression thereof, fairly often.

But given the paucity (I suspect) most of us encounter in our common, everyday range experiences, do you have to be a world-class or better rifle shooter to encounter the apparent plethora of same that you seem to take for granted?

Asking for the 'rons.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 16, 2025 07:59 PM (0sNs1)

128 121 Never more than one bullet at a time in the chamber is my policy all the time.

I had a gun like that one time!

Posted by: Rancherbob at November 16, 2025 07:59 PM (SqjGw)

129 123 Just ordered a new Vortex for my Winchester to replace the one I swapped onto the Savage. Of course it's back ordered a couple of weeks. Farrell rings will be ordered when it ships.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 16, 2025 07:56 PM

I think you will like the scope I will be putting on my rifle. Nightforce NXS 8-32x56 :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 08:00 PM (OF02a)

130 My pastor told a great story this morning about bagging a deer.

It basically walked right up to him as he was going back to his vehicle. So he shot it.

Now he's done hunting for the year and can back to his schoolwork (he's working on his doctorate).
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 16, 2025 07:02 PM

My old boss hit a deer with this Ram truck out in the country and since he had a pistol he stopped and walked back to see if he needed to put it out of it's misery. As he bent down to check, it sprang to life and started trying to gore and kick him. In his surprise he dropped the pistol and grabbed the antler wrestling with the buck. As he tells it, he started to panic because he was an old man and was starting to get winded in the struggle and yet was terrified of letting go. So he dragged the deer a few feet into the water filled ditch and managed to drown it before his strength failed.

Just as he finished and collapsed on the bank his neighbor drove up, rolled down his window and asked 'Wouldn't it have been easier to shot the deer?'

Posted by: toby928(c) at November 16, 2025 08:00 PM (jc0TO)

131 I do notice that the titanium takes on a reddish hue after a while.
Posted by: RI Red
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The people I have seen reporting problems with ultrasonic cleaners generally have the cheaper rimfire aluminum cased suppressors than titanium.

Posted by: whig at November 16, 2025 08:01 PM (WDjG6)

132 Unless you have one of those rocket gun thingys.

A Gyro-Jet? I bet a box of ammo is worth more than the gun these days.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 08:01 PM (3nLb4)

133 Oddbob, for a second I thought you typed Gyno-Jet. ;-)

Shows where my mind is lately...

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 08:02 PM (cQHrm)

134 You used to be able to buy rubber "bullets" in common calibers for exactly that purpose. At close range, they would cut neat wadcutter-like holes in paper. No idea if they're still a thing.
Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 07:54 PM (3nLb4)

Back in 2011, the Army was moving to Sim-munition rounds (aka "Sims") vice rubber/wax bullets. "Sims" required a conversion kit that would prevent the use of live ammo in that weapon, but gave greater training value by allowing the use of "force on force" training in CQB scenarios. No more "I got you first" arguments in the exercises. When you got shot by "Sims," you knew you'd been hit. They hurt. If you got hit on bare skin, you'd get a welt. You had to wear eye-pro, of course.

Posted by: Ed L at November 16, 2025 08:02 PM (BCwQW)

135 Asking for the 'rons.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 16, 2025 07:59 PM

Sadly, my club's range babes must be very shy. They never seem to be on the line when I am. I haz a sad.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 16, 2025 08:03 PM (Wnv9h)

136 "A Gyro-Jet? I bet a box of ammo is worth more than the gun these days.
Posted by: Oddbob"

Is that the one that stacked up a bunch of self propelled rounds in the barrel?

Posted by: fd at November 16, 2025 08:03 PM (vFG9F)

137 Suppressors with wipers. Knew a guy in Ohio, a man of some wealth. Mentioned here before he was a student, not a nut, about the Kennedy assassination and tasked me with building an Oswald rifle. Anyway, he had a few class 3 items, one being a High Standard HD with a very long suppressor using wipers. That gun, with run of the mill standard velocity .22s was so quiet you could hear the slide going clikety clack.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 16, 2025 08:03 PM (gm9Sb)

138 Sadly, my club's range babes must be very shy. They never seem to be on the line when I am. I haz a sad.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 16, 2025 08:03 PM (Wnv9h)

You're doing it wrong.

Posted by: blaster at November 16, 2025 08:04 PM (RoO7G)

139 fd, what I mean is, never more than one bullet anywhere in the gun. I know only one bullet can be fired at a time. :-)

As usual, there's an exception to every rule. Google "duckfoot pistol."

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 08:04 PM (3nLb4)

140 135 I haz a sad.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 16, 2025 08:03 PM

I heard range babes are turned off by wobbly shit. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 08:04 PM (OF02a)

141 Back in 2011, the Army was moving to Sim-munition rounds (aka "Sims") vice rubber/wax bullets. "Sims" required a conversion kit that would prevent the use of live ammo in that weapon, but gave greater training value by allowing the use of "force on force" training in CQB scenarios. No more "I got you first" arguments in the exercises. When you got shot by "Sims," you knew you'd been hit. They hurt. If you got hit on bare skin, you'd get a welt. You had to wear eye-pro, of course.
Posted by: Ed L
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Police were a big user of them for a time and you see former police trainer marked guns that have Simunition kits for sale (mostly 9mm or 40 S&W).

Posted by: whig at November 16, 2025 08:04 PM (WDjG6)

142 Sadly, my club's range babes must be very shy. They never seem to be on the line when I am. I haz a sad.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 16, 2025 08:03 PM (Wnv9h)

Sadly, my range babes all seem to have hooves and fur up here.

Posted by: RI Red at November 16, 2025 08:05 PM (aZ9eR)

143 Oddbob, wow. Looked it up.
Can understand why those likely got banned...

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 08:06 PM (cQHrm)

144 Good evening all, and thanks for hosting Weasel. Range time got bumped today because our builder wanted us to come up with a rough "blueprint" of the new house. Interesting exercise involving 2 people with some same thoughts, and some not so same. But we have a finished product. Builder is trying to save us an architects fee, as he works with a draftsman....

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at November 16, 2025 08:06 PM (IQ6Gq)

145 Sadly I must call it a night.

Have to go into the office tomorrow and meet the new boss. Hopefully he is not the same as the old boss. :-p

Thank you Weasel!!

Have a good night everyone!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 08:07 PM (OF02a)

146 Thanks Weasel and Scuba!

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 08:07 PM (cQHrm)

147 Haven't heard of this in a long time but I recall reading about wax bullets for indoor training. Revolver only. No powder, just the primer for propellant. Basically, you just pressed the case mouth into a piece of wax, sort of like a wadcutter. Also, I think the flash hole had to be enlarged slightly which made the case unsafe for regular loads.

Bill Jordan has a section on this in "No Second Place Winner."

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at November 16, 2025 08:07 PM (QMPFg)

148 Scuba Dude, I forgot to mention that B&T USA also sells suppressor cleaning fluid on their website. My LGS also has bottles of suppressor cleaning fluid for sale.

Posted by: Ed L at November 16, 2025 08:07 PM (BCwQW)

149 Night, Scoobs!

Posted by: RI Red at November 16, 2025 08:07 PM (aZ9eR)

150 Colibri! That’s the stuff. Spanish for “hummingbird”.

Make sure you have a suitable backdrop, like your wife’s favorite dustpan or something like that.

Posted by: Common Tater at November 16, 2025 08:08 PM (uG1+h)

151 Asking for the 'rons.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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I used to get suckered into helping on the firing line when people had trouble with a firearm so yes, there are range babes I guess, but also just ordinary guys looking to protect their family that were sold inappropriate/less reliable firearms to do so.

Last couple of times I went before the drought of the last couple of years, I went when no one else was on the firing lines. Prefer it that way actually.

Posted by: whig at November 16, 2025 08:08 PM (WDjG6)

152 I think you will like the scope I will be putting on my rifle. Nightforce NXS 8-32x56 :-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 08:00 PM

Niiiice. I'm putting a Strike Eagle on the Winchester to give it a little more elevation travel for the .308.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 16, 2025 08:08 PM (Wnv9h)

153 Ed and whig, don't tell lefties about those wax bullets. They'll wanna make 'em mandatory for all cops everywhere all the time.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 08:09 PM (cQHrm)

154 150 Colibri! That’s the stuff. Spanish for “hummingbird”.

Make sure you have a suitable backdrop, like your wife’s favorite dustpan or something like that.
Posted by: Common Tater
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Heh. You can buy a cheap bullet trap for 22 LR from Sportsmans Guide and other places that works just fine for those.

Posted by: whig at November 16, 2025 08:10 PM (WDjG6)

155 Going to the range tomorrow to, once again, try to correct hitting low and left with the 9mm HK P30SK. I've no such problem with the Ruger Mark II 22LR Government Target. I'll try a super firm left hand and lighten up the right to see how independent I can make my trigger finger. I'm shooting both at 7 yards, and at the end of my hour, do two mags of the 22 at 25 yards.

Posted by: M. Gaga at November 16, 2025 08:10 PM (zeLd4)

156 Common Tater:

Wasn't there a popular pocket lighter in the 1970s called Colibri?

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 08:10 PM (cQHrm)

157 Ed and whig, don't tell lefties about those wax bullets. They'll wanna make 'em mandatory for all cops everywhere all the time.

Or ban wax.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 08:10 PM (3nLb4)

158 Just as he finished and collapsed on the bank his neighbor drove up, rolled down his window and asked 'Wouldn't it have been easier to shot the deer?'

Posted by: toby928(c) at November 16, 2025 08:00 PM (jc0TO)

That was amazing. Thank you.

I have a Canadian gun permit. If threads are going to be this great, I have to start using it. And absorbing so much knowledge.

Just not this year. But goals....

Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at November 16, 2025 08:10 PM (Sco7b)

159 You're doing it wrong.
Posted by: blaster at November 16, 2025 08:04 PM

Clearly.

*sad trombone*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 16, 2025 08:11 PM (Wnv9h)

160 Is that the one that stacked up a bunch of self propelled rounds in the barrel?
Posted by: fd at November 16, 2025 08:03 PM (vFG9F)

No. It was a conventionally operated firearm, but was looked radically different from most firearms of its time (1960s). It's most famous for its use by the Japanese Secret Service assault force in the James Bond film "You Only Live Twice."

Posted by: Ed L at November 16, 2025 08:11 PM (BCwQW)

161 M. Gaga, at FB, Larry Correia (who owns an entire arsenal) says H&K's customer service has greatly improved the last couple years.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 08:11 PM (cQHrm)

162 I haz a sad.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 16, 2025 08:03 PM

I heard range babes are turned off by wobbly shit. ;-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 16, 2025 08:04 PM

Also, apparently, for some reason, when the rice you used to stuff your rear bag gets wet, and then moldy and smelly.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 16, 2025 08:12 PM (0sNs1)

163 Oh question for Blake - what's the configuration of the rifle you brought to Texas?

Posted by: blaster at November 16, 2025 08:12 PM (RoO7G)

164 Wasn't there a popular pocket lighter in the 1970s called Colibri?
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 08:10 PM

Still is.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 16, 2025 08:12 PM (Wnv9h)

165
Bill Jordan has a section on this in "No Second Place Winner."
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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I think you are right. Nowadays, you probably could (and should if firing indoors) the newer lead free primers if doing so. Those have more brisance and may not need the larger flash hole.

Posted by: whig at November 16, 2025 08:13 PM (WDjG6)

166 Also, apparently, for some reason, when the rice you used to stuff your rear bag gets wet, and then moldy and smelly.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 16, 2025 08:12 PM

So that's why everyone goes on about rinsing the rice first....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 16, 2025 08:14 PM (Wnv9h)

167 160 The Gyrojet functioned by normal feeding from a box magazine, with the hammer striking the bullet tip. This forced the cartridge to the rear, igniting the small rocket motor and recocking the hammer as the bullet exited. Original blueprints have many stains from various alcoholic beverages.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 16, 2025 08:15 PM (gm9Sb)

168 Wasn't there a popular pocket lighter in the 1970s called Colibri?
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 08:10 PM (cQHrm)

A Colibri lighter formed the grip of Bond villain Francisco Scaramanga' signature Golden Gun in the "The Man With the Golden Gun."

Posted by: Ed L at November 16, 2025 08:16 PM (BCwQW)

169 Yeah, I'm here.
Not a good week. No range time. Didn't get the gun I ordered yet. Looking for a new job.

But I have the Gun Thread.

Posted by: GWB at November 16, 2025 08:17 PM (YlCSP)

170 155 Going to the range tomorrow to, once again, try to correct hitting low and left...
I'll try a super firm left hand and lighten up the right to see how independent I can make my trigger finger.

Posted by: M. Gaga at November 16, 2025 08:10 PM
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I feel your pain. Best wishes.

Posted by: TRex - trigger discipline dino at November 16, 2025 08:17 PM (IQ6Gq)

171 169 Yeah, I'm here.
Not a good week. No range time. Didn't get the gun I ordered yet. Looking for a new job.

But I have the Gun Thread.
Posted by: GWB
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May this coming week be blessed for you with an abundance of fulfillment.

Posted by: whig at November 16, 2025 08:18 PM (WDjG6)

172 Sadly, my club's range babes must be very shy. They never seem to be on the line when I am. I haz a sad.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 16, 2025 08:03 PM (Wnv9h)

What are you talking about?

You brought a range babe to the TxMoMe two
Years ago!!!!

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 16, 2025 08:18 PM (mT+6a)

173 A Colibri lighter formed the grip of Bond villain Francisco Scaramanga' signature Golden Gun in the "The Man With the Golden Gun."

I love this kind of trivia and I love that people who know it hang out here.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 08:18 PM (3nLb4)

174 On January 1st the tax stamp fee for silencers drops to zero dollars. You will still have to do all the paperwork and approvals.

Your local gun shop that deals in silencers may allow you to put one or two on layaway now, and pay off the balance after the end of the year. This will let you avoid a sudden lack of silencer inventory after the first of the year.

I don't think there will be a total unavailability due to excessive demand, but the specific model you want may not be back on the shelf for a long time.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at November 16, 2025 08:19 PM (tTwk7)

175 168 I saw a Colibri ( think it might have been Kolibri, German, you know) pistol at a gun show years ago. At first I thought it a one off miniature of something but they were designed as a viable defense gun. 4mm IIRC.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 16, 2025 08:19 PM (gm9Sb)

176 Don't use rice in your shooting bags! Get beanie-baby guts instead. Amazon sells them.

Posted by: Weasel at November 16, 2025 08:21 PM (cIOlQ)

177 Yeah, I'm here.
Not a good week. No range time. Didn't get the gun I ordered yet. Looking for a new job...
Posted by: GWB
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Sorry to hear it GWB...will keep you in my prayers that you find the right job, and that they finally deliver your new gun

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at November 16, 2025 08:22 PM (IQ6Gq)

178 176 Don't use rice in your shooting bags! Get beanie-baby guts instead. Amazon sells them.
Posted by: Weasel

SNORT!

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 16, 2025 08:22 PM (mT+6a)

179 Don't use rice in your shooting bags! Get beanie-baby guts instead. Amazon sells them.

Do I have to gut 'em myself?

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 08:22 PM (3nLb4)

180 Anyone know anything about HI-STANDARD H-D MILITARY? It's a .22 only manufactured for 5 years.
Guns.com has one for a less than $600 bid right now; ends tomorrow night.

Posted by: GWB at November 16, 2025 08:23 PM (YlCSP)

181 Get beanie-baby guts instead. Amazon sells them.
Posted by: Weasel
*******
Words that were not on my bingo card for the Gun Thread....

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at November 16, 2025 08:23 PM (IQ6Gq)

182 You brought a range babe to the TxMoMe two
Years ago!!!!
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 16, 2025 08:18 PM

I brought a range babe...not my range babe.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 16, 2025 08:23 PM (Wnv9h)

183 Do I have to gut 'em myself?
Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 08:22 PM (3nLb4)
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Well you can go that route, or just buy a bag of guts.

Posted by: Weasel at November 16, 2025 08:23 PM (cIOlQ)

184 Now I'm imagining buying up someone's beloved collection of beanie babies at a yard sale and saying "Yeah, I just want the guts."

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 08:24 PM (3nLb4)

185 Well you can go that route, or just buy a bag of guts.
Posted by: Weasel at November 16, 2025 08:23 PM

I'll stick with whatever Protektor puts in them.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 16, 2025 08:24 PM (Wnv9h)

186 144 Good evening all, and thanks for hosting Weasel. Range time got bumped today because our builder wanted us to come up with a rough "blueprint" of the new house. Interesting exercise involving 2 people with some same thoughts, and some not so same. But we have a finished product. Builder is trying to save us an architects fee, as he works with a draftsman....
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at November 16, 2025 08:06 PM (IQ6Gq))

Sounds like we have to have dinner sometime soon!

I expect there will be room in the foyer for a concrete Tyrannousaur?

Posted by: blaster at November 16, 2025 08:25 PM (RoO7G)

187 Get beanie-baby guts instead. Amazon sells them.
Posted by: Weasel at November 16, 2025 08:21 PM (cIOlQ)

Had to look that one up. Pure Plastic Pellets.
Probably make a nice pillow, too.

Posted by: RI Red at November 16, 2025 08:25 PM (EDCMj)

188 I love this kind of trivia and I love that people who know it hang out here.
Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 08:18 PM (3nLb4)

If you like that kind of stuff, you might like Headstamp Publishing's upcoming book, "Licensed Troubleshooter." It's a big coffee table type book w/ lots of pictures about all of the firearms in the world of 007. Firearms from the books and the films are covered. It isn't cheap (starts at $110), but most coffee table books aren't. You can still pre-order it from Headstamp Publishing right now.

Posted by: Ed L at November 16, 2025 08:26 PM (BCwQW)

189 AI augmented pix are going to be very appealing to fishermen and hunters alike.
Posted by: whig at November 16, 2025 07:51 PM (WDjG6)

And me!

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at November 16, 2025 08:26 PM (npFr7)

190 Anyone know anything about HI-STANDARD H-D MILITARY? It's a .22 only manufactured for 5 years.
Guns.com has one for a less than $600 bid right now; ends tomorrow night.

All my books are in storage so I can't verify the production years but the H-D Military is not a rare gun. My taste runs to the later production military grip (i.e. 1911-ish) guns so I wouldn't be inclined to pay that much for an H-D unless it was in tip-top condition.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 08:28 PM (3nLb4)

191 180 If in real nice condition that is a great price. Standard velocity only ammo for long term use. Many used as trainers by US military, some by clandestine outfits suppressed.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 16, 2025 08:28 PM (gm9Sb)

192 Dying over here.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 16, 2025 08:29 PM (mT+6a)

193 Also, FWIW, the High Standard sub-form at Rimfire Central is frequented by some extremely knowledgeable collectors who can tell you everything you would want to know about every High Standard ever made.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 08:29 PM (3nLb4)

194 Also I still have trouble believing that Newsom was able to just ban every Glock handgun under the sun, just like that. Hope it's at least being challenged in the courts.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 07:41 PM
If the courts shoot it down he’ll just ignore them. This is the template for gun control. They say ‘as california goes so goes the nation. Bastards.

Posted by: Eromero at November 16, 2025 08:29 PM (LHPAg)

195 Thanks everybody. I love that this place is full of people who know about things like Colibri lighters. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 08:30 PM (cQHrm)

196 Sounds like we have to have dinner sometime soon!
I expect there will be room in the foyer for a concrete Tyrannousaur?
posted by: blaster
************
OK with dinner.
Keep up the recommendations and you'll wind up in the same room as Doggo...

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at November 16, 2025 08:30 PM (IQ6Gq)

197 Eromero, reason #587349057 why I want out of this state. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 08:30 PM (cQHrm)

198 180 - GWB
I have an HD Military and like it quite a bit. Mine has been slightly modified (rear sight, bobbed hammer) but like many HS 22 pistols it is a pleasure to shoot.

Magazines can be touchy and you need to make sure you have the right ones but they are available via auction.

Posted by: chappyman66 at November 16, 2025 08:31 PM (L3byd)

199 Williams worked up the basis for the M1 carbine while in prison.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 16, 2025 07:25 PM (XeU6L)

And note he didn't have permission when he started. He was designing it and then working on it in the prison machine shop. (He did get permission after he was caught. The warden supported him.)

I love to bring this up anytime people start crying about how we have to stop people from making homemade guns.

Posted by: GWB at November 16, 2025 08:32 PM (YlCSP)

200 180 Anyone know anything about HI-STANDARD H-D MILITARY? It's a .22 only manufactured for 5 years.
Guns.com has one for a less than $600 bid right now; ends tomorrow night.
Posted by: GWB

High Standard capitalized on WWII fame in selling thousands to OSS and US military for suppressed use. They are good firearms as long as nothing is wrong with them as spare parts from a firearm made over 60-70 years ago from a defunct company can be a pain. High Standard name has risen again and some parts are available. Try interarmstx dot com (and that is a successor to the famed Interarms import firm formerly located in VA.

Posted by: whig at November 16, 2025 08:32 PM (WDjG6)

201 Can you just use a large beanie baby instead of killing and dressing it???

Posted by: lin-duh at November 16, 2025 08:33 PM (VCgbV)

202 194 "Listen, greaseball, you just take all those Glocks in California and send them here and we'll issue them to
all of our patriots in the Natural State of Arkansas".

Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Governor of Arkansas

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 16, 2025 08:34 PM (gm9Sb)

203 Carbine Williams' "floating chamber" was also used by Colt in its Service Model Ace handgun.
Posted by: Ed L at November 16, 2025 07:54 PM (BCwQW)

Wait... There's a "Service Ace" model? Why haven't we heard about this before now? Why haven't we all been out buying them? You gotta TELL us these sorts of things!

Posted by: GWB at November 16, 2025 08:34 PM (YlCSP)

204 Welp, early doc appointment for me tomorrow to go over imaging so I will bow out early tonight.

Early thanks to Weasel and the commenters tonight for a nice end to a rough week.

Posted by: whig at November 16, 2025 08:34 PM (WDjG6)

205 What a great Sunday it has been. Don't get to shoot again til December. Sad.
Thanks Weasel.
I love that we get to do this every week.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 16, 2025 08:34 PM (t/2Uw)

206 Can you just use a large beanie baby instead of killing and dressing it???
Posted by: lin-duh at November 16, 2025 08:33 PM (VCgbV)
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Well, yes, if you find a fat enough bb!

Posted by: Weasel at November 16, 2025 08:35 PM (DJPFk)

207 bill in arkansas, I love Sarah. Her and DeSantis are the best governors anywhere.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 08:36 PM (cQHrm)

208 Anyone know anything about HI-STANDARD H-D MILITARY? It's a .22 only manufactured for 5 years.
Guns.com has one for a less than $600 bid right now; ends tomorrow night.
Posted by: GWB at November 16, 2025 08:23 PM (YlCSP)

Source: Charles Pate's "US Handguns of WWII."
The US military bought about 2,600 of these pistols in 1944. Most were used for training purposes. An unknown number (at least 100) went to OSS, where they were heavily modified by Bell Labs with vented barrels and silencers for clandestine use. Military pistols will have "Property of US" or "Property of USA" markings. An Ordinance Corps escutcheon will be on the right side of the frame.

Posted by: Ed L at November 16, 2025 08:37 PM (BCwQW)

209 Pretty sure the duckfoot pistol fell out of use long before there were any gun nazis to ban them. If they were ever in use to any extent.

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at November 16, 2025 08:38 PM (npFr7)

210 West Texans - please elect Brendan Herrera to the Congress.

It would be good just for the lulz.

Posted by: blaster at November 16, 2025 08:38 PM (RoO7G)

211 Off, dickpicsock.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 16, 2025 08:39 PM (npFr7)

212 Curiously, at what point can the government revoke your gun permit?
Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at November 16, 2025 07:29 PM (Sco7b)

Glad you're doing better. I don't think this can be answered by anyone outside your state (in America) or province (in Canada), because there is so very much variability. And, in a lot of places it seems very subjective.

Posted by: GWB at November 16, 2025 08:39 PM (YlCSP)

213 Well, yes, if you find a fat enough bb!
Posted by: Weasel at November 16, 2025 08:35 PM (DJPFk)

They're not fat! Just big balled!

Posted by: blaster at November 16, 2025 08:39 PM (RoO7G)

214 Think I have made some progress with my comfort while carrying.

I’m always situationally aware. So, I was wearing my vest with a pocket holster and went about my day on Saturday. Went to the store, filled up my gas tank, ran to the hardware store. I wasn’t paranoid about people thinking “omg, she has a gun!” I did my thing and was quite comfortable.

This is big for me.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 16, 2025 08:39 PM (PgXa5)

215 Another good filler for shooting bags and rests is chick grit, found in the poultry supply section. The grit is bigger than sand, so it has a little bit of give to it.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at November 16, 2025 08:39 PM (tTwk7)

216 Keep up the recommendations and you'll wind up in the same room as Doggo...
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba
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It's not that bad, blaster. Room of blameless and no wrong doing - Room of Innocence. And it's filled with cinnamon rolls.

Posted by: scampydog at November 16, 2025 08:40 PM (cRmMq)

217 207 Yep. Kidding around, but you know she would do it. "Raise your right hand. OK You're all sworn in. Here's your Glock courtesy of greaseball fag Newsom".

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 16, 2025 08:40 PM (gm9Sb)

218 Anthony, yup. And if one of those duckfoot monstrosities exploded on its user... OMG.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 08:40 PM (cQHrm)

219 Think I have made some progress with my comfort while carrying.

I’m always situationally aware. So, I was wearing my vest with a pocket holster and went about my day on Saturday. Went to the store, filled up my gas tank, ran to the hardware store. I wasn’t paranoid about people thinking “omg, she has a gun!” I did my thing and was quite comfortable.

This is big for me.
Posted by: nurse ratched
**********
Congrats. This is on my list....

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at November 16, 2025 08:41 PM (IQ6Gq)

220 Keep up the recommendations and you'll wind up in the same room as Doggo...
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba
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It's not that bad, blaster. Room of blameless and no wrong doing - Room of Innocence. And it's filled with cinnamon rolls.
Posted by: scampydog
**********
Obviously, I need to chat with Scampywife....

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at November 16, 2025 08:42 PM (IQ6Gq)

221 Think I have made some progress with my comfort while carrying.

Eventually you'll be so comfortable with it that you'll find yourself standing in line at the post office and think "Oh sh*t!"

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 08:43 PM (3nLb4)

222 Wait... There's a "Service Ace" model? Why haven't we heard about this before now? Why haven't we all been out buying them? You gotta TELL us these sorts of things!
Posted by: GWB at November 16, 2025 08:34 PM (YlCSP)

Because they've been out of production for nearly 50 years and you probably don't want to pay the "Prancing Pony" tax for these collectibles.

Posted by: Ed L at November 16, 2025 08:44 PM (BCwQW)

223 This is big for me.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 16, 2025 08:39 PM (PgXa5)

Yep. “Just go about your day” is the key. You’ll get used to it .
Good on ya.

Posted by: RI Red at November 16, 2025 08:45 PM (m6Eem)

224 Eventually you'll be so comfortable with it that you'll find yourself standing in line at the post office and think "Oh sh*t!"
Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 08:43 PM (3nLb4)

No longer illegal!

Posted by: RI Red at November 16, 2025 08:47 PM (m6Eem)

225 An interesting suppressed firearm was the Remington Nylon 66.Prior to the Bay of Pigs invasion there was a design. Some had short barrels with suppressors, and a block switch on the right of the receiver to keep the bolt from cycling. Durability to salt water was the reason for choosing the Nylon 66, and use was to be frogmen taking out guards and dogs.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 16, 2025 08:47 PM (gm9Sb)

226 nurse, did the supermarket music system play Aerosmith's "Jamie's Got A Gun" by any chance? :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 08:47 PM (cQHrm)

227 Weasel, did you get my recent e-mail?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 16, 2025 08:48 PM (uQesX)

228 RI Red, not illegal if you don't get caught.
(And you don't shoot the guy taking 40 minutes just to buy forever stamps)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 08:48 PM (cQHrm)

229 Source: Charles Pate's "US Handguns of WWII."
The US military bought about 2,600 of these pistols in 1944.

Not all H-D Military guns were sold to the military. Goober AI confirms the ~5 year production window and gives a total production estimate of around 146K.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 08:49 PM (3nLb4)

230 "never more than one bullet at a time in the chamber" policy.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 07:55 PM (cQHrm)

Well, that's generally how they work.

When any of mine try to put two in the chamber at once, there's a problem.

Posted by: GWB at November 16, 2025 08:50 PM (YlCSP)

231 GWB, good to hear.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 08:50 PM (cQHrm)

232 No longer illegal!

I had heard that some court ruled that way but until I hear authoritatively otherwise, I assume that it only applies in that district.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 08:51 PM (3nLb4)

233 >here's a guy outdoors in the cold and snow and wearing gloves.

How the hell can we see what watch he's wearing?

Posted by: scottst at November 16, 2025 08:51 PM (ZjMvy)

234 I think I should have clarified:

Never more than one bullet in the entire barrel at a time.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 08:52 PM (cQHrm)

235 RI Red, not illegal if you don't get caught.
(And you don't shoot the guy taking 40 minutes just to buy forever stamps)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 08:48 PM (cQHrm)

True dat.
Recent case out of USDC Middle Disrtict of FL. Post office carry ban flunks Bruen test.

Posted by: RI Red at November 16, 2025 08:52 PM (m6Eem)

236 Yep. “Just go about your day” is the key. You’ll get used to it .

After a while, it'll be like wearing your watch. It'll feel weird to leave the house without it.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 08:53 PM (3nLb4)

237 RI Red, good news.
Now watch those long lines REALLY move! ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 08:53 PM (cQHrm)

238 Never more than one bullet in the entire barrel at a time.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 08:52 PM (cQHrm)

Stop digging.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 16, 2025 08:54 PM (npFr7)

239 "A Gyro-Jet? I bet a box of ammo is worth more than the gun these days.
Posted by: Oddbob"

Is that the one that stacked up a bunch of self propelled rounds in the barrel?
Posted by: fd at November 16, 2025 08:03 PM (vFG9F)

I think that would be the Metal Storm weapon. Just saw an article on some Future Weapons episodes and what happened to the featured weapons. Metal Storm did not succeed.

Posted by: GWB at November 16, 2025 08:54 PM (YlCSP)

240 You're doing it wrong.
Posted by: blaster at November 16, 2025 08:04 PM (RoO7G)

Well, it's easy when you bring your own, Blaster.

Posted by: GWB at November 16, 2025 08:55 PM (YlCSP)

241 I had heard that some court ruled that way but until I hear authoritatively otherwise, I assume that it only applies in that district.
Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 08:51 PM (3nLb4)

Also for members of the groups behind the suit FPC and SAF.

This is not legal advice. None of this is legal advice.

Posted by: blaster at November 16, 2025 08:55 PM (RoO7G)

242 229 Civilian production of small arms during WW2 just slowed down. Things like lesser brand revolvers (think H&R 32s and 38s) were produced for guards. .22s and shotguns for general use (and maybe meat on the table). I like Iver Johnson's, having tinkered with many. There are some out there with Brit broad arrow acceptance marks, used by couriers and what not.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 16, 2025 08:56 PM (gm9Sb)

243 (Pardon the bad form of replying to oneself.)

Not all H-D Military guns were sold to the military.

So if the one in question is one of the 2600 with proper "US Property" markings, it might very well be worth $600.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 08:56 PM (3nLb4)

244 fourseasons: stop being a crank.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 08:56 PM (cQHrm)

245 1) Never underestimate your opponents, 2) Take it outside, and 3) Be nice

Posted by: blaster at November 16, 2025 08:58 PM (RoO7G)

246 She’s not wrong.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 16, 2025 08:58 PM (cGNpL)

247 You can't fight in here! This is the war room!

Posted by: MkY at November 16, 2025 09:00 PM (q6tQZ)

248 May this coming week be blessed for you with an abundance of fulfillment.
Posted by: whig at November 16, 2025 08:18 PM (WDjG6)

Thanks much, Whig. God is good and will sustain.
I do need to talk to him about my fundamentals, though.

Posted by: GWB at November 16, 2025 09:00 PM (YlCSP)

249 So if the one in question is one of the 2600 with proper "US Property" markings, it might very well be worth $600.
Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 08:56 PM (3nLb4)

SN range is 110074 to 130040 (from Pate). Surplus OSS delivered pistols were reconverted to their original form with spare parts before they were sold off.

Posted by: Ed L at November 16, 2025 09:01 PM (BCwQW)

250 (Look, squirrel!) OK, new topic: Anybody have a Ruger Precision Rifle (RPR)? LGS has a used one in 6.5 Creed* at a pretty good price.

* Yay caliber bloat!

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 09:02 PM (3nLb4)

251 Weasel, did you get my recent e-mail?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 16, 2025 08:48 PM (uQesX)
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Found it and just replied.

Posted by: Weasel at November 16, 2025 09:02 PM (DJPFk)

252 Now I'm imagining buying up someone's beloved collection of beanie babies at a yard sale and saying "Yeah, I just want the guts."
Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 08:24 PM (3nLb4)

"We use every part of what we kill...".
/proceeds to make suppressor covers out of the cloth/

Posted by: GWB at November 16, 2025 09:02 PM (YlCSP)

253 Thanks Weasel. I try to only check in for help or if I need it.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 16, 2025 09:04 PM (gm9Sb)

254 BLAM BLAM BLAM!!!!

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 16, 2025 09:04 PM (mT+6a)

255 OddBob, what price?

Posted by: RI Red at November 16, 2025 09:05 PM (m6Eem)

256 Weasel, it's time for me to sign off for tonight. Thanks for hosting, and see you next week!

Posted by: Ed L at November 16, 2025 09:06 PM (BCwQW)

257 True dat.
Recent case out of USDC Middle Disrtict of FL. Post office carry ban flunks Bruen test.
Posted by: RI Red
*********
Gold Stars for your permanent record!!!!!

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at November 16, 2025 09:06 PM (IQ6Gq)

258 Goddammit. Cut the shit or I am closing the comments on the thread.

Posted by: Weasel at November 16, 2025 09:06 PM (DJPFk)

259 Did Duck Dodgers have one of those Gyrojet guns?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 16, 2025 09:06 PM (pkeXY)

260 Weasel, sorry.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 09:07 PM (cQHrm)

261 OddBob, what price?

Right at $1K. Was on the rack for several weeks at 1.2K but I saw today that it's been marked down. A few marks in the (parkerized) finish but nothing I wouldn't have put there myself in the first trip to the range.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 09:07 PM (3nLb4)

262 BLAM BLAM BLAM!!!!
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 16, 2025 09:04 PM (mT+6a)

Missed me.
So...
Flirting eh?
;-)

Posted by: Diogenes at November 16, 2025 09:07 PM (2WIwB)

263 Grateful, I’m trying to clean up all of the downchecks on my record!

Posted by: RI Red at November 16, 2025 09:08 PM (m6Eem)

264 Thanks for the info on the High Standard, bill, Oddbob, chappyman66, and Ed L.

The photos don't make it seem in "Very Good" condition, just "Good". And it was an unusual weapon to see on there. Always fun to find out about these things.

Posted by: GWB at November 16, 2025 09:08 PM (YlCSP)

265 Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 16, 2025 09:07 PM (npFr7)
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I said cut the shit. Last time I'm saying it.

Posted by: Weasel at November 16, 2025 09:09 PM (DJPFk)

266 The gun I was thinking of had electrically fired rounds that were stacked in the barrel. Not the Metalstorm. I saw it in a book years ago. Maybe is was just a concept.

Posted by: fd at November 16, 2025 09:10 PM (vFG9F)

267 OddBob, sounds like an opportunity if the round count is reasonable. Any optics?

Posted by: RI Red at November 16, 2025 09:10 PM (m6Eem)

268 This year has been chaotic. Aside from a shotgun and a couple of pistols, I have not done much with the rest of my very small arsenal. I need to do an inventory of all the tools in my locker. And determine how much ammo I'll need. Never enough ammo. On the plus side, I think my town has more gun shops than coffee shops. I need to do some looking around, try to find one I like.

Also, a lot of really excellent ranges around me.

But, as I said, this has been a very chaotic year.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, I Have Become Comfortably Lame at November 16, 2025 09:10 PM (0aYVJ)

269 Remember the old time shooting galleries at State Fairs? I played them when I was a little kid. I think they would be 100x more fun now.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 16, 2025 09:10 PM (vBziE)

270 This is big for me.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 16, 2025 08:39 PM (PgXa5)

Yay! It's that balance of ubiquity and a tiny corner of your brain being aware that you are armed and must act like it. Good for you.

Posted by: GWB at November 16, 2025 09:12 PM (YlCSP)

271 For military collector guns, it is always a case of buyer beware. Too many people out there with a set of metal stamps and no scruples.

To make matters worse, the guy who did the faking may have been two or three owners back.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at November 16, 2025 09:12 PM (tTwk7)

272 Grateful, I’m trying to clean up all of the downchecks on my record!
Posted by: RI Red
*******
Ambitious objective, but a very good start in that direction...:-)

Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at November 16, 2025 09:13 PM (IQ6Gq)

273 Some people here are under the impression I have some obligation to keep doing this. Let me clear things up.

This IS NOT a place for you start flinging shit and expect me to clean it up. I don't care at all who started it, I'm stopping it now.

Questions?

Posted by: Weasel at November 16, 2025 09:13 PM (DJPFk)

274 The photos don't make it seem in "Very Good" condition, just "Good".

I went and looked. If it's the one with UPC ending in 897, I'd pass. I think you can do better for the same or only a little more $$.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 09:13 PM (3nLb4)

275 1) Never underestimate your opponents, 2) Take it outside, and 3) Be nice
Posted by: blaster at November 16, 2025 08:58 PM

4) Until it's time not to be nice.

Posted by: James Dalton at November 16, 2025 09:15 PM (0sNs1)

276 Weasel, again, apologies.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 09:15 PM (cQHrm)

277 *enters commissary*

*sees food fight*

*exits commissary*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 16, 2025 09:15 PM (JkO4W)

278 OddBob, sounds like an opportunity if the round count is reasonable. Any optics?

No.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 09:15 PM (3nLb4)

279 270 Remember the old time shooting galleries at State Fairs? I played them when I was a little kid. I think they would be 100x more fun now.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 16, 2025 09:10 PM (vBziE)

At the giant pyramid shaped Bass Pro Shop in Memphis they have a shooting gallery carnival style game that is really cool.

Apparently that is not the only one!

And yeah it seems like cheating after having practiced your fundamentals.

Posted by: blaster at November 16, 2025 09:16 PM (RoO7G)

280 I think I should have clarified:

Never more than one bullet in the entire barrel at a time.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 08:52 PM (cQHrm)

Yeah, you did clarify. But it just really needed a snark or two, because it was an easy layup.

Posted by: GWB at November 16, 2025 09:16 PM (YlCSP)

281 GWB, thanks.
I do honestly want to learn more about guns.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 09:17 PM (cQHrm)

282 From the late, great Skeeter Skelton on going to the gun show:

"You can often find Hermann Goering's personal P-38, complete with shiny nickel finish and checkered mesquite stocks. You know it's authentic because it has "To H.G from A.H." engraved on the slide."

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at November 16, 2025 09:18 PM (tTwk7)

283 You know it's authentic because it has "To H.G from A.H." engraved on the slide."

In electropencil.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 09:19 PM (3nLb4)

284 My grandson loves the Winchester 1906 gallery gun. Easy pump action 22, and simple takedown for gallery security. Almost like cheating when you have young teenage eyes. Not mine at almost 29 (or an anniversary of that).

Too bad the galleries aren't available any more.

Posted by: chappyman66 at November 16, 2025 09:20 PM (L3byd)

285 "You can often find Hermann Goering's personal P-38, complete with shiny nickel finish and checkered mesquite stocks. You know it's authentic because it has "To H.G from A.H." engraved on the slide."
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at November 16, 2025 09:18 PM

I had a shot at his personal P08, which looked very similar, but thought it was a tad overpriced by the seller, and passed.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 16, 2025 09:21 PM (0sNs1)

286 And my favorite about 1911A1s made by Singer Sewing Machine Co. in WWII:

"Only 500 were made and only 1500 are known to exist."

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at November 16, 2025 09:22 PM (tTwk7)

287 You know it's authentic because it has "To H.G from A.H." engraved on the slide."

In electropencil.
Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 09:19 PM (3nLb4)

And an email from A.H. himself, verifying authenticity.

Posted by: GWB at November 16, 2025 09:22 PM (YlCSP)

288 OddBob, I have the Ruger Precision Rimfire in .22 and it has won two Aspirin Shoots for me.
I have always intended to add the RPR in 6.5 CM when my Ruger Predator wears out.
At this point, though, it may outlast me!

Posted by: RI Red at November 16, 2025 09:23 PM (m6Eem)

289 Missed me.
So...
Flirting eh?
;-)
Posted by: Diogenes

With you?
Always!

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 16, 2025 09:23 PM (mT+6a)

290 "Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear."
-- Ephesians 4:29

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 16, 2025 09:24 PM (0sNs1)

291 Found it and just replied.
Posted by: Weasel at November 16, 2025 09:02 PM (DJPFk)

Got it, thanks.

So, what value would anyone here put on a Swiss K31? Pretty clean barrel, a bit of a scuffed up stock and missing the soldier's tag? Also, a 60 round battle pack of ammo and a box of ten rounds?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 16, 2025 09:24 PM (uQesX)

292 "Only 500 were made and only 1500 are known to exist."

I like that.
I'm agonna steal it. Applicable to may things...

Posted by: MkY at November 16, 2025 09:25 PM (q6tQZ)

293 I have always intended to add the RPR in 6.5 CM when my Ruger Predator wears out.
At this point, though, it may outlast me!

Have you thought about putting it in an aftermarket chassis? That's basically what the RPR is, right?

Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 09:25 PM (3nLb4)

294 And an email from A.H. himself, verifying authenticity.
Posted by: GWB at November 16, 2025 09:22 PM (YlCSP)

You can't fool me. It is actually a photocopy of a type-written letter. Printed in Times New Roman font.

Posted by: Dan Rather at November 16, 2025 09:27 PM (tTwk7)

295 In the end, A.H. only had one round of ball, and no hollow-point or wadcutter.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 16, 2025 09:29 PM (0sNs1)

296 So, wait....you guys are telling my my Colt 1911A1 may NOT have been carried by Teddy Roosevelt himself?

Posted by: MkY at November 16, 2025 09:29 PM (q6tQZ)

297 296 So, wait....you guys are telling my my Colt 1911A1 may NOT have been carried by Teddy Roosevelt himself?

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Red Ryder didn't carry my carbine with the compass in the stock and the thing which tells time?

Posted by: Ralphie at November 16, 2025 09:31 PM (JkO4W)

298 With you?
Always!
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 16, 2025 09:23 PM (mT+6a)

Awww...shucks.

*kicks dirt with boot*

Posted by: Diogenes at November 16, 2025 09:32 PM (2WIwB)

299 Have you thought about putting it in an aftermarket chassis? That's basically what the RPR is, right?
Posted by: Oddbob at November 16, 2025 09:25 PM (3nLb4)

No, the cheap-ass stock is fine (with suitable Bubba improvements). The barrel, however, is so far over 3000 rounds that I’ve lost count. Yet it still shoots many loads sub MOA. When that stops, I’ll get the RPR. Though the Predator mod 2 looks very interesting.
I don’t know if the Predator and RPR have any commonality. It’s a good question.

Posted by: RI Red at November 16, 2025 09:33 PM (+hwtP)

300 So, wait....you guys are telling my my Colt 1911A1 may NOT have been carried by Teddy Roosevelt himself?
Posted by: MkY at November 16, 2025 09:29 PM (q6tQZ)

Does it have one of the Israeli-made replacement slides on it? TR was known to favor those, at least that's what my grandfather told me, and you aren't going to call my grandpa a liar now, are you?

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at November 16, 2025 09:34 PM (tTwk7)

301 Punching out for the night.

Thanks for another great Gub Thread, Weasel.

Talk to y'all in the MR.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 16, 2025 09:38 PM (Wnv9h)

302 Also time for me to go.
Thanks, Weasel. Especially for the herding of cats.

Posted by: RI Red at November 16, 2025 09:40 PM (+hwtP)

303 Sorry, Weasel, looks like you had some cleanup duty. Extra thankful for the Gun Thread and your moderation on such occasions.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at November 16, 2025 09:41 PM (v23vE)

304 Thanks for a great thread Weasel!

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 16, 2025 09:45 PM (cQHrm)

305 Always thankful for the Horde and especially our host Weasel for his knowledge and hosting acumen.

Posted by: chappyman66 at November 16, 2025 09:47 PM (L3byd)

306 Always thankful for the Horde and especially our host Weasel for his knowledge and hosting acumen.
Posted by: chappyman66 at November 16, 2025 09:47 PM (L3byd)

Likewise.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 16, 2025 09:48 PM (npFr7)

307 Thanks Weasel. Always good reading.

Posted by: scampydog at November 16, 2025 09:49 PM (cRmMq)

308 Thanks, Weasel. This is a bright spot in my week.

Posted by: GWB at November 16, 2025 09:53 PM (YlCSP)

309 Thanks for the thread, weasel.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 16, 2025 09:55 PM (mT+6a)

310 guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 16, 2025 09:55 PM (xcxpd)

311 Zontar: The Thing from Venus

This big hit has such an all-star cast that on the IMDb page, eight out of the fourteen Top Cast don't even have pictures, including the leading lady.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061217/

Posted by: mindful webworker - the monster from below the fold at November 16, 2025 09:56 PM (vBt7m)

312 No range time, sadly. Had to take the dog to the vet, she whipped her leg and got her split taken off.

Back to the Church Gun for my EDC, with my XD45 as backup.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 16, 2025 09:56 PM (xcxpd)

313 Doof ONT nood

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at November 16, 2025 10:02 PM (v23vE)

314 The only bullet I could get to shoot under one MOA out of my 6.5 Creedmore was the Hornady 140 grain BTHP match - which sadly has a relatively crappy BC, and won't stay super sonic more than a few hundred yards. The factory Hornady match loads produce patterns closely resembling a 12 gauge full of buckshot at the same distance. Reading on reloading pages I'm not the only person to have that kind of disappointing performance from a 6.5 Creedmore. Frankly my .22lr Marlin XT-22 shooting any random crappy factory ammo groups tighter.

Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at November 16, 2025 10:02 PM (Da7Vv)

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