Milan Prosecutors Investigate Supposed "Sniper Tourism," Involving Wealthy Elites Paying Guides to Take Them to the Bosnian War Zones to Kill People With Rifles

This sounds like a sci-fi action movie plot, which makes me skeptical.

Milan prosecutors investigate alleged 'sniper tourism' during Bosnian war
Groups from Italy and elsewhere alleged to have paid Serb soldiers to shoot Sarajevo residents during siege

Prosecutors in Milan have opened an investigation into Italians who allegedly paid members of the Bosnian Serb army for trips to Sarajevo so that they could kill citizens during the four-year siege of the city in the 1990s.
More than 10,000 people were killed in Sarajevo by constant shelling and sniper fire between 1992 and 1996 in what was the longest siege in modern history, after Bosnia and Herzegovina declared independence from Yugoslavia.
The snipers were perhaps the most feared element of life under siege in Sarajevo because they would pick off people on the streets, including children, at random, as if it was a video game or a safari.
Groups of Italians and other nationalities, so-called "sniper tourists", are alleged to have participated in the massacre after paying large sums of money to soldiers belonging to the army of Radovan Karadžić, the former Bosnian Serb leader who in 2016 was found guilty of genocide and other crimes against humanity, to be transported to the hills surrounding Sarajevo so that they could shoot at the population for pleasure.
Sarajevo is in a basin surrounded by mountains, which made cutting it off and attacking it particularly easy.
Milan prosecutors, led by Alessandro Gobbi, launched an investigation aimed at identifying the Italians involved on charges of voluntary murder aggravated by cruelty and abject motives.
The investigation originated from a legal complaint submitted by Ezio Gavazzeni, a Milan-based writer who gathered evidence on the allegations, as well as a report sent to the prosecutors by the former mayor of Sarajevo, Benjamina Karić.
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In the documentary, a former Serb soldier and a contractor claimed that groups of westerners would shoot at the civilian population from the hills around Sarajevo. Its claims have been vehemently denied by Serbian war veterans.
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Gavazzeni claimed "many, many, many Italians" were alleged to have been involved, without providing a figure. "There were Germans, French, English ... people from all western countries who paid large sums of money to be taken there to shoot civilians."
He claimed the Italian suspects would meet in the northern city of Trieste and travel to Belgrade, from where the Bosnian Serb soldiers would accompany them to the hills of Sarajevo. "There was a traffic of war tourists who went to there to shoot people," he said. "I call it an indifference towards evil."

This sounds to me like a dark fantasy that this guy wants to be true.

People are comforted by the thought that the world is better than it really is. But other people are just as comforted by the idea that the world is much worse than it really is.

Add into that Italy's very vibrant Communist scene, where there's always a market for stories about greedy capitalist pigs killing the virtuous poor, and... I'm going to want more proof than a "journalist's" research.

And this is an idea that just seems to capture the public's imagination. I've seen most of these Humans Hunting Humans films. One I always see referenced, and want to see some day, is "The Tenth Victim" from 1965 starring Ursula Andress and Marcello Mastroianni.

The 10th Victim (Italian: La decima vittima) is a 1965 science fiction film directed and co-written by Elio Petri, starring Marcello Mastroianni, Ursula Andress, Elsa Martinelli, and Salvo Randone. An international co-production between Italy and France, it is based on Robert Sheckley's 1953 short story "Seventh Victim".
Taking place in the year 2079 in the aftermath of World War III, the film's focus is on a government-endorsed program known as "The Big Hunt", whereby contestants from around the world act as "hunters" and "victims" in two-person battles to the death as a means of avoiding mass warfare. The plot follows veteran Big Hunt contestants Caroline Meredith (Andress) and Marcello Poletti (Mastroianni), who are respectively assigned the roles of hunter and victim for one such confrontation, which is complicated by their budding romance. Like Petri's other films, The 10th Victim is a work of socio-political satire, while also combining science fiction themes with conventions of the commedia all'italiana genre.[6]

I did see the Ozploitation version of this story, in Turkey Shoot. I don't recommend it. Trashy but not trashy fun.

I think the Edgar Wright directed The Running Man remake opens this weekend.

Octopussy had a three-minute human safari sequence, and it was the worst part of the movie.

So it's something that just seems to grip people's minds. But I don't remember hearing about any cases where this actually happened, though.

And, on a practical level: I think someone entering a war zone with a sniper rifle would be fired upon themselves, and I wonder exactly which of the wealthy, pampered, likely old people were willing to risk that.

I'm also a little wary of Italian prosecutors making action/horror movie claims. In read the terrific true-crime book by Douglas Preston, The Monster of Florence, the so-called "Jack the Ripper of Italy," operating there in the 80s and 90s.

In my review, I relayed that there are more dangers there than serial killers:

Italy's a lovely place, but take this advice: Never be accused of committing a serious crime there. I'm not saying don't commit a serious crime; chances are, you'd get away with it. I'm saying don't be accused of committing a serious crime, especially if you're innocent, because that's when the Italian justice system seems to go into Berserker Mode to convict you. The clownshow of Italian justice is jaw-slackening stuff.
Add into that the medieval -- if that -- banditry of the Sardinian mountain clans and a local populace absolutely terrified of an audacious murderer that simply cannot be found, and the panics and paranoias that grip the area and DAs and head detectives who rely on the theories of shrieky, conspiratorial bloggers, pushing bizarre theories about aristocrats and doctors in Satanic Cults trading in female sexual organs (because the most psychic energy is contained in sexual organs from people killed at the point of orgasm, you know.... didn't you know that? I thought everyone knew that).
I'm only halfway through and I haven't even gotten to the good stuff yet. (The authors may or may not be threatened to be jailed unless they leave Italy and/or actually thrown in jail for daring to report on this insanity... by the DA pushing the Satanic Sex Cult Genital Trafficking theory of the case.)

I have no information about Milan's prosecutors but having read about Florence's, I'm skeptical.

The prosecutor pushing the "doctors and lawyers are the real serial killers" line got embarrassed that his Interesting Theories were never proven, and was embarrassed more when it turned out some of his sources and accusers were homeless drunks. How they knew the skinny on Italy's aristocrats and their secret Satanic sex parties, I don't know.

He then repackagef his Satanic Sex Orgy theories of murder by... prosecuting Amanda Knox under a similar sort of "satanic sex orgy gone wrong" murder theory.

The actual killer in that case turned out to be an African immigrant and drifter and noted "girl-botherer" -- sex pest -- with a criminal history of breaking into people's homes for petty theft and then taking a poop there. Which is exactly what happened in the Meredith Kercher murder, except she came home while he was burgling the place. His DNA and bloody handprints were found everywhere.

A very likely suspect with a ton of evidence against him... but no razzle-dazzle, you know? No va-va-voom.

The DA was too invested in his "Satanic Sex Orgy" theory so he just claimed that the sex-pest immigrant burglar had, for some reason, been recruited into the orgy murder scenario by Amanda Knox.

So that's why I'm very skeptical. It just doesn't seem very likely to me.

I'll ask Colonel Kurt Schlichter if he remembers any intel about Human Hunts when he was serving over in Kosovo but I imagine he already would have written a couple of thriller books about it if he had.

Unrelated: As some have mentioned in the comments, John Fetterman took a fall today and was hospitalized.

But recent reports say he was brought to the hospital only out of "an abundance of caution" so hopefully Lumpy Jack will ride again.

U.S. Senator John Fetterman
@SenFettermanPA

Statement from Sen. Fetterman's Spokesperson:
"During an early morning walk, Senator Fetterman sustained a fall near his home in Braddock.
Out of an abundance of caution, he was transported to a hospital in Pittsburgh.
Upon evaluation, it was established he had a ventricular fibrillation flare-up that led to Senator Fetterman feeling light-headed, falling to the ground and hitting his face with minor injuries.
Senator Fetterman had this to say: 'If you thought my face looked bad before, wait until you see it now!'

That's so Lumpy Jack.

He is doing well and receiving routine observation at the hospital. He has opted to stay so doctors can fine-tune his medication regimen.
Senator Fetterman is grateful for the EMTs, doctors, and nurses who are providing his care."

The "LOVE IS LOVE" brigades continue thirsting for a man's death:

Blue Sky is an absolute cesspool right now in the wake of the news about John Fetterman's fall. pic.twitter.com/fNKhvXEGuQ
— Steve Guest (@SteveGuest) November 13, 2025

Posted by: Ace at 06:11 PM

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1
Hello

Posted by: four seasons at November 13, 2025 06:11 PM (3ek7K)

2 Bold strategy.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 13, 2025 06:12 PM (mlg/3)

3 Cornel Wilde's 1966 "The Naked Prey" is the best 'human hunt' genre movie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Naked_Prey

Posted by: John Lawrence at November 13, 2025 06:13 PM (K3ARY)

4 There's some very bold claims here.

Posted by: Don't blame the alligators at November 13, 2025 06:14 PM (1Nv0l)

5 I completely believe war tourism being real. Have you seen our alleged elites?

Posted by: Ian S. at November 13, 2025 06:14 PM (oyazo)

6
Yes, this sounds like an awesome 90's Jean Claude Van Damme movie plot!

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 13, 2025 06:14 PM (jpHkf)

7 I too am on the skeptical train on that one.

Good luck to Lumpy, hopefully the fall won't have him revert back to commie crazy.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 13, 2025 06:14 PM (n5tGW)

8 Evening.

Posted by: Robert, The Love Walrus at November 13, 2025 06:14 PM (1Yy3c)

9 Nothing more outrageous than what we say here

Posted by: Accomack at November 13, 2025 06:14 PM (9H7EW)

10 Wake me when UN "peacekeepers" ever get prosecuted for child rape, human trafficking, smuggling, and profiteering.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 13, 2025 06:14 PM (A0sqA)

11 I have a problem with any prosecution that tries to dig back 30 years into the past. (some very rare exceptions, but it is so hard to prove)

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 13, 2025 06:15 PM (uWKK8)

12 The claim that trans Siberian orchestra performed for the Italians after the turkey shoot seems far fetched.

Posted by: Oglebay at November 13, 2025 06:16 PM (GPa4z)

13 Ezio Gavazzeni, a Milan-based writer "

Hmm. Wonder if there's a book coming out...

Posted by: man at November 13, 2025 06:16 PM (tubbA)

14 There's a great documentary called Scream For Me, Sarajevo about Bruce Dickinson and his solo band at the time doing a concert there during the siege. It was fucking wild, dude.

They didn't say anything about shooting civilians god sport, though.

Posted by: Robert, The Love Walrus at November 13, 2025 06:17 PM (1Yy3c)

15 If this turns out to be true then everyone that engaged in the sniper kill game needs to be turned loose in some random park and let other people play the sniper game with them.

That or we just burn them at the stake in public on pay per view.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 13, 2025 06:18 PM (0N4FZ)

16 >>>ornel Wilde's 1966 "The Naked Prey" is the best 'human hunt' genre movie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Naked_Prey

you had me at naked

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:18 PM (1wjle)

17 "This sounds like a sci-fi action movie plot, which makes me skeptical."

Sounds like the plot to "Hostel"

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at November 13, 2025 06:18 PM (pIfcn)

18 The next remake of "Running Man" will ignore the plot of the original (just like the current remake does) and instead have the plot revolve around "Sniper Tourism".

Posted by: Crusader at November 13, 2025 06:19 PM (TN0g+)

19 This sounds to me like a dark fantasy that this guy wants to be true.
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Reminds me of the ridiculous caricature of big money westerners in Squid Games. But I guess anything is possible.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at November 13, 2025 06:19 PM (XvL8K)

20 not only did I see JCVD's Hard Target but I saw the Ice-T movie with the same plot like the next year (or two years later), "Surviving the Game" or something.

It wasn't good. I think it had a big actor as one of the hunters, maybe Rutger Hauer. But not recommended.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:20 PM (1wjle)

21 Is it naiveté or is it optimism to disbelieve this story?

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 13, 2025 06:21 PM (9ipOP)

22 supposedly the new Running Man follows the Steven King book more closely but I don't see that as a selling point.

Jeremy Jahns reviewed it. He said the tone is all over the place and the silly Edgar Wright comedy bits jar with the too-serious tone in other parts.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:21 PM (1wjle)

23 I seem to recall a human's hunting human movie with Ice-T. Might have had Gary Busey in it too. I was definitely drunk when I watched it. It was probably ok, after lots of beers. Maybe. Never saw it sober.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 13, 2025 06:21 PM (G1ktt)

24 I keep a pretty open mind about ghost and alien stories but this feels like bullsh*t to me. It feels like the Satanic S*x Daycare Stories that were prevalent here back in the 80's. Everybody seems to have heard of it but there is no actual evidence; and with that many people that participated; no one took a shaky cam video or some out of focus pictures? Nothing? Meh.

Posted by: Nelly at November 13, 2025 06:22 PM (SJF/H)

25 Just tell the Italian prosecutors that the sniper was Amanda Knox. They'll get her this time

Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 13, 2025 06:22 PM (bfwj/)

26 Speaking of blood lust I have read today that the attack at the Paris Bataclan took three hours. Three freaking hours of torture and finally death.

Can you imagine the suffering? And the insanity of the attackers?

Why do we put up with this.

Posted by: Random PJ at November 13, 2025 06:23 PM (RRCAT)

27 Haven't there been multiple versions of The Most Dangerous Game?

Oh, and Fetterman's lump reminds me of Londo's "keeper" in the future vision sequences of Babylon 5.

Damn that was a good show. Fifth season totally sucked. I refuse to accept that it even happened.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 13, 2025 06:23 PM (ZOv7s)

28 It gets worse guys. Before they were snipered to death by evil Italian rich people, two men in red hats yelled “Sarajevo is MAGA country” at the victims.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at November 13, 2025 06:23 PM (F2Ar1)

29 >>>21 Is it naiveté or is it optimism to disbelieve this story?

I think it's naivete. Here's why: You have to believe in levels of depravity in people that have never before seen in history. (Not this particular kind of depravity.)

Buuuuuut... you also have to put it out of your mind that sometimes writers and "journalists" lie for gain.

I don't know how you do the former, and then ignore the latter.

People lie. People are crazy. Believing something just because someone you never heard of said something and made some claims is naive about the sport of lying, which so many enjoy and make a profit at.

If there's evidence, sure, I'll look at it and re-examine. But "some guy said so and passed a report on to a mayor" is not evidence.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:24 PM (1wjle)

30 I assume the original source is The Most Dangerous Game. We might enjoy it if Ursula Andress and Elsa Martinelli got into it.

Posted by: Eeyore at November 13, 2025 06:25 PM (s0JqF)

31 Kurt Schlichter writes books?

Posted by: He must keep that a secret at November 13, 2025 06:25 PM (PiwSw)

32 Was Fetterman the first Dem Senator to push for opening the government?

I wonder how much he was involved in getting the other Senators on board. I do hope he's alright.

Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at November 13, 2025 06:25 PM (Sco7b)

33 >>>23 I seem to recall a human's hunting human movie with Ice-T. Might have had Gary Busey in it too. I was definitely drunk when I watched it. It was probably ok, after lots of beers. Maybe. Never saw it sober.

ueah I just mentioned that, I think you're right, Gary Busey was one of the hunters. And I think maybe Rutger Hauer as the main villain.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:26 PM (1wjle)

34 This sounds to me like a dark fantasy that this guy wants to be true.
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I think you're dead on. It's fake. And, it's a trend. About two months ago there were similar stories about retired Russian Commandos who were chartering boat trips along the coast of Somalia to allow paying passengers the opportunity to destroy Somali Pirates. They went so far as to state that there was an extra fee to be able to operate an RPG-7.

Posted by: Orson at November 13, 2025 06:26 PM (dIske)

35 if somebody is willing to murder for gain then certainly somebody is willing to lie about somebody murdering for gain.

Posted by: n at November 13, 2025 06:26 PM (Xhl27)

36 Is it naiveté or is it optimism to disbelieve this story?
Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 13, 2025 06:21 PM (9ipOP)
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Snipers draw fire. The idea that one could stroll into a nice, neat nest and take aim like at a target range is absurd. There is literally no guarantee that a stray artillery round doesn't smear you all over the room.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 13, 2025 06:26 PM (ZOv7s)

37 italy is a shithol, so

Posted by: n at November 13, 2025 06:26 PM (Xhl27)

38 This all reminds me of an episode of Community where Troy and Abed befriend a guy from Eastern Europe who is actually a stone cold war monster. If I recall, they were more angry that Britta pointed out this fact.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, I Have Become Comfortably Lame at November 13, 2025 06:26 PM (0aYVJ)

39 I am a cheap bastard. I set my thermostat to 68. The only issue is the butter on the kitchen counter isn’t soft enough to spread on toast.
The penguins who live in my crawl space like the thermostat @68, but, they also don’t eat butter.

Posted by: Accomack at November 13, 2025 06:26 PM (Dpv2s)

40 It gets worse guys. Before they were snipered to death by evil Italian rich people, two men in red hats yelled “Sarajevo is MAGA country” at the victims.
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The next time I play pick-up basketball and knock down a jumper from 15 feet just off the left side of the free throw line I'm going to yell "This is MAGA country!".

I've always wanted to yell that.

Posted by: Crusader at November 13, 2025 06:27 PM (TN0g+)

41 Willowed:
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Someone on youtube was commenting that ignoring Fuentes is like ignoring the Bavarian corporal in 1938.
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As far as I can see, no one ever described a Fuentes speech as being "turned inside out like a glove".

Analogies are only as useful as they are.

You can put various people into that proposition: "Ignoring X is like ignoring the Viennese Corporal" (he wished he'd been a Bavarian!)

This is likely also from people who have a suspect use of the word "like". Yes, "ignoring" one politico is *inherently* "like" ignoring another. In that a political figure is ignored.

There are so many people who use a single overlap as "like".

Posted by: Axeman at November 13, 2025 06:27 PM (krQz2)

42 10 Wake me when UN "peacekeepers" ever get prosecuted for child rape, human trafficking, smuggling, and profiteering.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 13, 2025 06:14 PM (A0sqA)

I want to start a charity to save the children from "Save the Children."

Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at November 13, 2025 06:28 PM (Sco7b)

43 This story is juxtaposed with news that Bataclan was a 3 hour long horrorshow.

I know I'm cynical but the one is proof enough the other is more than possible.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 13, 2025 06:28 PM (9ipOP)

44 The humans hunting humans film I remember is "Open Season" with Peter Fonda and a crucial cameo by William Holden.

Posted by: geoffb at November 13, 2025 06:28 PM (r//c2)

45 BTW, I didn't silver in Nagano.

I got one score that would put me into the silver category but actually I placed fifth.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:28 PM (1wjle)

46 The Most Dangerous Game

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 13, 2025 06:28 PM (pkeXY)

47 Sounds like the movie Hostel but sniper version. Also set in Yugoslavia.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at November 13, 2025 06:29 PM (F2Ar1)

48 Curling?

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 13, 2025 06:29 PM (JVuEd)

49 Apparently a federal judge has ordered ICE to release 300 people. Probably directly into her snizz.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 13, 2025 06:29 PM (oyazo)

50 To my point, I don't know why anyone would be surprised Bataclan was a 3-hour long horrorshow either.

These people have been TELLING US their plans and then they follow through and still we do not believe.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 13, 2025 06:29 PM (9ipOP)

51 27:Damn that was a good show. Fifth season totally sucked. I refuse to accept that it even happened.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd

If I recall how the story goes, it was suppose to be cancelled after season 4. The final episode that was shown at the end of season 5, was shot in season 4, as B5 was getting cancelled. Then, it wasn't cancelled and the mad scramble to get a final season in began. Hence the not very good season 5.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 13, 2025 06:29 PM (G1ktt)

52 Don't watch the Netflix of MONSTER OF FLORENCE it's terrible and paints the Police as the good guys, not the fuck ups that they are. They kept rehashing the same story over and over and nothing happens, it's the same style as HOUSE OF DYNOMITE

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 13, 2025 06:29 PM (FCrpy)

53 39 I am a cheap bastard. I set my thermostat to 68. The only issue is the butter on the kitchen counter isn’t soft enough to spread on toast.
The penguins who live in my crawl space like the thermostat @68, but, they also don’t eat butter.
Posted by: Accomack at November 13, 2025 06:26 PM (Dpv2s)

Go to Amazon and search for "butter spreader knife with holes in blade." You're welcome.

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, Bay Area Housekeeping Influencer at November 13, 2025 06:30 PM (PiwSw)

54 45 BTW, I didn't silver in Nagano.

I got one score that would put me into the silver category but actually I placed fifth.
Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:28 PM (1wjle)
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I am relieved to learn you are not Canadian. But, disturbed to learn that you are Russian.

Posted by: Orson at November 13, 2025 06:30 PM (dIske)

55 Oh, I read a book and then saw a human hunting humans movie. i forget the title, but it starred Michael Douglas. He was hunting the big five game animals and accidentally kills another hunter. He tries to bribe and blackmail his guide into covering the shooting up, but the guide refuses, so he starts hunting him.

I remember both the book and movie being okay but not great.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:30 PM (1wjle)

56 Speaking of hunting people for sport Testament did a fucking killer version of Metallica's Seek & Destroy.

https://youtu.be/lvYRyYPtoC8

Posted by: Robert, The Love Walrus at November 13, 2025 06:30 PM (1Yy3c)

57 MST3K - Bloodlust!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 13, 2025 06:31 PM (pkeXY)

58 I want to start a charity to save the children from "Save the Children."
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*nods* Yes, it seems especially important that we prevent Sally Struthers from eating all of those starving children's food.

Posted by: Crusader at November 13, 2025 06:31 PM (TN0g+)

59 I think it's naivete. Here's why: You have to believe in levels of depravity in people that have never before seen in history. (Not this particular kind of depravity.)

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:24 PM

Ace I think you are seriously underestimating the depravity of humans throughout history. From barbarians pouring molten gold down the throats of Roman ambassadors and returning them to rome because they were duplicitous to ancient Greeks designing and building the brazen bull to roast alive their enemies while they had parties listening to the screams of their victims while they were being roasted alive and the Vikings and their wing torture rituals that kept victims alive for days have me thinking that humans are capable of almost anything to fulfill their most sick desires.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 13, 2025 06:31 PM (0N4FZ)

60 If I recall how the story goes, it was suppose to be cancelled after season 4. The final episode that was shown at the end of season 5, was shot in season 4, as B5 was getting cancelled. Then, it wasn't cancelled and the mad scramble to get a final season in began. Hence the not very good season 5.
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 13, 2025 06:29 PM (G1ktt)
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Yes, they crammed two seasons worth of story arc into Season 4, and it rocked. And then TBS picked them up and they were like "Um, what do we do now? How about the life and worries of emo psychics?"

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 13, 2025 06:31 PM (ZOv7s)

61
Prayers that the doctors will be able to save Jim-Bob Lumpy.

Or whatever Ace is calling him these days.

Posted by: Auspex at November 13, 2025 06:31 PM (Y8DZL)

62 ...it's the same style as HOUSE OF DYNOMITE
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 13, 2025 06:29 PM (FCrpy)

Is that the Jimmy J.J. Walker biopic?

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, Bay Area Housekeeping Influencer at November 13, 2025 06:32 PM (PiwSw)

63 The snipers were perhaps the most feared element of life under siege in Sarajevo because they would pick off people on the streets, including children, at random, as if it was a video game or a safari.

I spent quite a bit of time in Sarajevo in 2021, and the locals would frequently point out where the snipers were stationed, and some of the long outdoor staircases where people were frequently shot along "sniper alley."

Also, throughout the city, on the sidewalk were "Sarajevo Roses"
https://shorturl.at/DO9N0

As I understand, where mortars and artillery struck and killed civilians, they filled in the damaged concrete a bit and painted the damaged area red. They're all over the city.

Posted by: Military Moron at November 13, 2025 06:32 PM (ycI94)

64 22 supposedly the new Running Man follows the Steven King book more closely but I don't see that as a selling point.

Jeremy Jahns reviewed it. He said the tone is all over the place and the silly Edgar Wright comedy bits jar with the too-serious tone in other parts.
Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:21 PM (1wjle)

THE LONG WALK is the one that Steven King made and came out this year, it's terrible and has Mark Hamill in it.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 13, 2025 06:33 PM (FCrpy)

65 >>>Ace I think you are seriously underestimating the depravity of humans throughout history.

No I know humans do depraved things but where is the historical precedent for this? when have elites paid people to take them to isolated places so they could hunt man?

I know the fictional precedents. They are legion. But where is the real-life precedent?

There's a rule in physics: If it can happen, it does happen; if it doesn't happen, it can't happen.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:33 PM (1wjle)

66 I hope this is all made up evil fantasy.

I vaguely remember reading about royals hunting people during Wikigate or at some point. Making a sport of it. That also did not seem, well, real.

One would THINK word would get out somehow about both hunts. Who knows anymore with the lies the MSM spews.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at November 13, 2025 06:33 PM (MAl//)

67 There was a cheesy knock-off of The Most Dangerous Game, with Robert Reed, a little guy with glasses, and two really super cute girls. Was a great MST episode. I am blanking on the name, because I may have had a cocktail.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, I Have Become Comfortably Lame at November 13, 2025 06:33 PM (0aYVJ)

68 >>MST3K - Bloodlust!

"Help! I've plummeted to my death and I can't get up!"

Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2025 06:33 PM (rO4EG)

69 >>>THE LONG WALK is the one that Steven King made and came out this year, it's terrible and has Mark Hamill in it.

that's what I heard. I heard Hamill was terrible (as usual) as an over-the-top southern sheriff. Eye roll.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:33 PM (1wjle)

70 Meanwhile, in Sudan / Darfour
youtu.be/mRt4qRCoGTk

Humans... aren't great

Posted by: gKWVE doesn't condone furries at November 13, 2025 06:34 PM (gKWVE)

71 So now judges are just straight up ordering illegals to be released en masse. When will Trump say fuck off and stop listening to them? the answer seems to be never. 👎

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at November 13, 2025 06:34 PM (F2Ar1)

72 Carrie!

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 13, 2025 06:34 PM (JVuEd)

73 Is it naiveté or is it optimism to disbelieve this story?

I think it's naivete. Here's why: You have to believe in levels of depravity in people that have never before seen in history. (Not this particular kind of depravity.)

Posted by: ace
_________

I'm sure there are documented examples of depravity on this level and worse in history. And of this type. Anything that we can imagine has likely been done at some point.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at November 13, 2025 06:34 PM (XvL8K)

74 NBC News - Toxic gas cloud in Oklahoma. Amonia. Crap, that don't look good.

Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at November 13, 2025 06:34 PM (Sco7b)

75 Doesn't amonia explode?

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 13, 2025 06:35 PM (JVuEd)

76 Time to get the pinky to the mouth out.

@libsoftiktok
HOLY SHIT
European Broadcasting Union appears to have ALSO deceptively EDITED Trump’s speech like the BBC, to make it look like Trump was calling for an insurrection on January 6th

The NRK or Norweigan Broadcasting Corporation who aired this clip, is a state run public broadcasting company which is part of the European Broadcasting Union

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 13, 2025 06:35 PM (mlg/3)

77 MST3K - Bloodlust!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 13, 2025 06:31 PM (pkeXY)

Yes! thank you. Them wimmens was cute. And Robert Reed was so gay.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, I Have Become Comfortably Lame at November 13, 2025 06:35 PM (0aYVJ)

78 Found the article in Sail World. I'm surprised Jack Straw isn't somehow mixed up in this

:
_________________________________

Russian luxury yachts offer pirate hunting cruises

https://tinyurl.com/muswmruk

Wealthy punters pay £3,500 (US$5,800) per day to patrol the most dangerous waters in the world hoping to be attacked by raiders.

When attacked, they retaliate with grenade launchers, machine guns and rocket launchers, reports Austrian business paper Wirtschaftsblatt.

Posted by: Orson at November 13, 2025 06:36 PM (dIske)

79 in the Monster of Florence scenario, we should expect a solo serial killer, or duo team, because history is rife with those.

But all of the wealthy professionals and literal titled aristocrats murdering women to cut out their genitals because their genitals are filled with magical power they can cultivate? Where is the precedent for that?

Maybe it COULD happen but my money is on a conventional "normal" solo serial killer or duo acting together.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:36 PM (1wjle)

80 Humanity is certainly depraved enough for this to be true. A casual glance at the last century is enough proof.

Posted by: tubal at November 13, 2025 06:36 PM (PCK5/)

81 *nods* Yes, it seems especially important that we prevent Sally Struthers from eating all of those starving children's food.
Posted by: Crusader

She also ate the children. She's an efficient eater.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 13, 2025 06:36 PM (G1ktt)

82 A pack of lone wolves.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 13, 2025 06:36 PM (JVuEd)

83 i know one "precedent" is elizabeth barthory but she was a solo serial killer. (Well I guess she had her staff keep quiet about it.)

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:36 PM (1wjle)

84 I'm sure there are documented examples of depravity on this level and worse in history. And of this type. Anything that we can imagine has likely been done at some point.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at November 13, 2025 06:34 PM (XvL8K)
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I don't question the depravity, I question the practicality of it.

Sarajevo was under siege, and that means there were lines all around the city, including the backfield to prevent infiltrators from getting in. So the 'tourists' would have to negotiate a way through all that, then literally have a sniper position in the front lines, and everyone on their own side would be fine about it, because if they don't know who is there, THEY will shot them.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 13, 2025 06:37 PM (ZOv7s)

85 Ok ace, question i did not ask back then:

You seem enthralled by the Amanda Knox case. Why? Is it the fickle 'justice'? The sensationalized nature of the trial and coverage? Have a crush on Amanda Knox? Bang her once? What?

I always wondered.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 13, 2025 06:38 PM (zZu0s)

86 >>>THE LONG WALK is the one that Steven King made and came out this year, it's terrible and has Mark Hamill in it.

I did like the SK short story the movie is based on.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 13, 2025 06:38 PM (G1ktt)

87 NBC - Epstein is the second story,
CBS is actually better covering the government opening.

Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at November 13, 2025 06:38 PM (Sco7b)

88 Doesn't amonia explode?
Posted by: Boss Moss

Err, no? It's a stable, but poisonous component of boomystuff but not by itself, IIRC.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 13, 2025 06:38 PM (mlg/3)

89 They railroaded her with bread starch dna.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 13, 2025 06:38 PM (JVuEd)

90 i know one "precedent" is elizabeth barthory but she was a solo serial killer. (Well I guess she had her staff keep quiet about it.)
Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:36 PM (1wjle)

There have been a few nurse serial killers, iirc.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 13, 2025 06:39 PM (zZu0s)

91 One of those Crocodile Dundee movies, Mick has the kangaroos shooting back at the hunters. But they were just shooting kangaroos for fun, didn't pay some big fee.

And in Quigley Down Under, the Brit settlers were murdering the Aborigines. But that was for land, not for a paid murder adventure.

Funny thing now is Australia now has an invasion of rabbits, and cats, and camels. Kill them all at will ... is the current order. Not sure about the kangaroo population, but they seem overpopulated as well.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 13, 2025 06:39 PM (vbXSk)

92 86 >>>THE LONG WALK is the one that Steven King made and came out this year, it's terrible and has Mark Hamill in it.

I did like the SK short story the movie is based on.
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 13, 2025 06:38 PM (G1ktt)

Just can’t get past that Stephen King/ Mark Hamill part.

Posted by: tubal at November 13, 2025 06:39 PM (PCK5/)

93 Amanda Knox proved that the Italian justice system ain't worth shit. I think it took hard political pressure from the US to get them to leave her alone.

They have an old-style justice system, i.e. the state just keeps prosecuting until people give up.

I'm part Italian myself, I know it's beautiful there, and most of the people are Catholic and decent, but: it's also the Mexico of Europe.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 06:39 PM (Ixlky)

94 I keep my butter in a butter bell.

Posted by: Accomack at November 13, 2025 06:39 PM (9H7EW)

95 it would be cool to see all the historic architecture in Italy plus the food. But I don't know that I'd enjoy the extra suspense of wondering if I might be prosecuted for some fantasy crime. "You read Ace back in 20xx, and the comments sections were full of posts about tourism ventures to pose as merchant ships for the purpose of safari hunting of Somali pirates so clearly you are a blood thirsty hag"

Posted by: PaleRider at November 13, 2025 06:40 PM (/jn/s)

96 You have to have a very high concentration of ammonia in a cloud for it to be explosive. In a refrigeration system, its highly pressurized, but in a cloud, its much more likely to eat your lungs than explode.

Posted by: Wally at November 13, 2025 06:40 PM (BJxxz)

97 I completely believe war tourism being real. Have you seen our alleged elites?
Posted by: Ian S. at November 13, 2025 06:14 PM (oyazo)

Sniper - chic has been too big a thing for a while now, even getting into video games. And to balance Ace's comment on the risks, shooting at long range at civilians is about as safe as it can get with NATO ruling the air at the time. And the risk is part of the thrill I'd expect.

I've never admired the trained snipers that pot 50 enlisted men going to the bathroom when a machine gun section might kill a few battalions if they catch them in the open without cover.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2025 06:40 PM (8avO+)

98 tubal, I can't believe Stephen King and Mark Hamill worked together.

If they did, they'd both immediately start masturbating all over each other and NEVER stop.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 06:40 PM (Ixlky)

99 if there were real-life examples of wealthy elites paying to hunt humans, I wouldn't be so skeptical, but because there are no such examples, then my thought is that very few people have this kink and there are not enough people with this kink to find each other and form a club to do it.

We do know that serial killers stalk and "hunt" people, in a way. But they're rare and therefore they have to be solo operators. Every once in a blue moon two psychopaths get together and you have a duo.

But dozens of wealthy europeans all seeking out this kind of "fun" and creating a market for human hunt guides?

Skeptical! If there really wee so many people with this kink, we'd've already seen such things in the past. But we haven't seen that, so there probably just aren't enough people who crave hunting humans to create a cottage industry servicing that craving.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:41 PM (1wjle)

100 Italian bread and pasta. Too many carbs.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 13, 2025 06:41 PM (JVuEd)

101 I know the fictional precedents. They are legion. But where is the real-life precedent?

There's a rule in physics: If it can happen, it does happen; if it doesn't happen, it can't happen.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:33 PM

OK I can see your point, the "if it ain't on youtube it didn't happen" argument. I use that one when people try to pull the if you feed seagulls alka selztzer tablets they will explode thing. If it were true there would be videos all over youtube.

I still think there is no depravity that mankind will not sink to.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 13, 2025 06:41 PM (0N4FZ)

102
She also ate the children.
Posted by: Puddleglum

But not the British children.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 13, 2025 06:41 PM (pkeXY)

103 Wow. The depth of depravity is horrifying.

I think I’ll pour a drink and watch “Grimm.”

Oh wait. I’m still at work.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 13, 2025 06:42 PM (EoCE8)

104 >>>I did like the SK short story the movie is based on.

isn't it a novel? A very repetitive novel?

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:42 PM (1wjle)

105 i know one "precedent" is elizabeth barthory but she was a solo serial killer. (Well I guess she had her staff keep quiet about it.)
Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:36 PM (1wjle)

There have been a few nurse serial killers, iirc.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 13, 2025 06:39 PM (zZu0s)

more than a few.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2025 06:42 PM (8avO+)

106 Ace, if you'll indulge me, I have willowed from the previous thread, a thought experiment:

Let's imagine the US has to give three states to Canada, and one to China*. Which do you give up, and what to whom? No trades allowed either.

*You can ignore the China provision if you wish.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 06:42 PM (Ixlky)

107 Sniper - chic has been too big a thing for a while now, even getting into video games. And to balance Ace's comment on the risks, shooting at long range at civilians is about as safe as it can get with NATO ruling the air at the time. And the risk is part of the thrill I'd expect.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2025 06:40 PM (8avO+)
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This was in Bosnia, not Kosovo. NATO was not involved.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 13, 2025 06:42 PM (ZOv7s)

108 When's this movie coming out?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 13, 2025 06:42 PM (NwnyJ)

109 She also ate the children.
Posted by: Puddleglum

But not the British children.
------
I'll be the one to ask: Why not?

Posted by: Crusader at November 13, 2025 06:43 PM (TN0g+)

110 Ever notice that the trolls absent themselves for these kinds of threads, not to mention, music, movie, gun, boob threads?? Why is this, I wonder??

Posted by: tubal at November 13, 2025 06:43 PM (PCK5/)

111 Hell. When the border was wide open I suggested to some friends we open a counter-reconnaissance tour to train people on finding the recon teams the cartels were setting up on our side of the border. Three days of training and three days of patrolling. Any group you find you get to honor of reporting to the Border Patrol.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 13, 2025 06:43 PM (2WIwB)

112 >>>I did like the SK short story the movie is based on.

isn't it a novel? A very repetitive novel?
Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:42 PM (1wjle)

All work and no play make Jack a dull boy
All work and no play make Jack a dull boy
All work and no play make Jack a dull boy
All work and no play make Jack a dull boy
All work and no play make Jack a dull boy
All work and no play make Jack a dull boy
All work and no play make Jack a dull boy
...

;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 06:43 PM (Ixlky)

113 >>Skeptical! If there really wee so many people with this kink, we'd've already seen such things in the past. But we haven't seen that, so there probably just aren't enough people who crave hunting humans to create a cottage industry servicing that craving.
Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:41 PM (1wjle)

Before anyone points out the obvious...

Hobos aren't people.

Posted by: garrett at November 13, 2025 06:43 PM (rO4EG)

114 Hopefully the italian investigators will find nothing and learn to mind their own business. Don't they have enough things to worry about like muslim rape gangs, the mafia and dark skinned pickpockets abusing tourists?

Posted by: Zombie Slobodan Milosevic at November 13, 2025 06:44 PM (R/m4+)

115 She also ate the children.
Posted by: Puddleglum

But not the British children.
------
I'll be the one to ask: Why not?
Posted by: Crusader at November 13, 2025 06:43 PM (TN0g+)

That's meme crossing. From one about George Washington. That he was sent to save the children- but not the British child ren.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 13, 2025 06:44 PM (zZu0s)

116 Speaking of Stephen King, because why not? I imagine I’m one of the half dozen people who did not care for The Stand.

Posted by: tubal at November 13, 2025 06:44 PM (PCK5/)

117 Well, I'm now kind of in the mood for a horrible, bloody movie now.

Which is funny because it was a beautiful day in my part of Canada and I have all the outside Christmas lights up. The inside is done too. Everything looks so beautiful. Sponge mentioned in another thread a lot of people in his area are set up too.

I'm trying to remember a tv show episode where people were hunted. It sounds so familiar. Probably a superhero cartoon.

Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at November 13, 2025 06:45 PM (Sco7b)

118 Let's imagine the US has to give three states to Canada, and one to China*. Which do you give up, and what to whom? No trades allowed either.

*You can ignore the China provision if you wish.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 06:42 PM (Ixlky)

Whole states or can we redraw borders?

Posted by: Robert, The Love Walrus at November 13, 2025 06:46 PM (1Yy3c)

119 The Movie they made out of the Body was pretty good.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 13, 2025 06:46 PM (JVuEd)

120 >>There have been a few nurse serial killers, iirc.

tons but they're each solo operators. I'm making a numbers-based argument: There just aren't enough of these sickos that they can find each other and form a club, much less a cottage industry that services them.

I guess the Manson family, kind of, but that was, what was his name, "Tex" and two accomplices. And they didn't find each other FOR murder, they found each other because it was some kind of free love hippie commune. The murder came after that.

I just don't think there are ENOUGH people who want to hunt people to form an economic ecosystem.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:46 PM (1wjle)

121 >>I seem to recall a human's hunting human movie with Ice-T. Might have had Gary Busey in it too. I was definitely drunk when I watched it. It was probably ok, after lots of beers. Maybe. Never saw it sober.

Surviving the Game

Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2025 06:46 PM (viF8m)

122 not to mention, music, movie, gun, boob threads?? Why is this, I wonder??
Posted by: tubal at November 13, 2025 06:43 PM (PCK5/)

Objection! All threads are boob threads.

I was trying to think the other day whether there are any active, bosomy actresses besides Sydney sweeney these days and I am coming up empty.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 13, 2025 06:46 PM (zZu0s)

123 Robert: whole states.
Redrawing borders makes it too easy. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 06:47 PM (Ixlky)

124 I believe one person is depraved enough to do it. As the logistics and participants expand, the likelihood of it happening decreases to essentially zero.
Someone would talk, or someone would screw up. Or like the real and fictional Lufthansa Heist, someone would worry about someone talking or screwing up, and would kill all the loose ends.

Posted by: Wally at November 13, 2025 06:47 PM (BJxxz)

125 Speaking of Stephen King, because why not? I imagine I’m one of the half dozen people who did not care for The Stand.
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I never read it.

I did like King's "The Dead Zone". I saw at the theater way back in the day. But I'm guessing it aged poorly.

Posted by: Crusader at November 13, 2025 06:47 PM (TN0g+)

126 She also ate the children.
Posted by: Puddleglum

But not the British children.
------
I'll be the one to ask: Why not?
Posted by: Crusader at November 13, 2025 06:43 PM (TN0g+)

That's meme crossing. From one about George Washington. That he was sent to save the children- but not the British child ren.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 13, 2025 06:44 PM (zZu0s)

The only rap song worth listening to.

https://youtu.be/sbRom1Rz8OA

Posted by: Robert, The Love Walrus at November 13, 2025 06:47 PM (1Yy3c)

127 I've seen The 10th Victim.

Was nit impressed, frankly. You're not missing much, Ace.

It was kind of entertaining as '60s "secret-agrent camp," sort of like a real-life un-ironic Austin Powers prequel, but as a legitimate movie -- nah. Not so much.

Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2025 06:47 PM (oraVG)

128 if there were real-life examples of wealthy elites paying to hunt humans, I wouldn't be so skeptical, but because there are no such examples, then my thought is that very few people have this kink and there are not enough people with this kink to find each other and form a club to do it.

Posted by: ace

That's not really about the depravity though. It's just math. No moral element to it.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at November 13, 2025 06:47 PM (XvL8K)

129 >>>116 Speaking of Stephen King, because why not? I imagine I’m one of the half dozen people who did not care for The Stand.

I bought the ABC miniseries and turned it off because it was boring and slow and not very interesting.

Oh, the beginning was pretty good. That's what got me to buy it.

But after that... slow. Just some morons talking to each other with occasional foreboding visions.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:48 PM (1wjle)

130 What was the SK book with all the short stories?

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 13, 2025 06:48 PM (JVuEd)

131 News item today:
“100 Gazans were stranded at a South African airport after South Africa refused to receive them. Amazingly, the South African government blamed Israel, saying it couldn't let them into South Africa because Israel didn't stamp their passports...”

Well that was certainly a niggardly reason to deny them entry.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 13, 2025 06:48 PM (GxM4+)

132 "You have to have a very high concentration of ammonia in a cloud for it to be explosive. In a refrigeration system, its highly pressurized, but in a cloud, its much more likely to eat your lungs than explode."

I had a tank of Anhydrous ammonia (NH3) leaking near my house, no wind. I called them and they wanted me to walk out and tighten the valve. I said "No thanks" (I didn't want to pass out and die), it was a very strong ammonia smell on my porch. They came out and fixed it.

Ammonia fortunately has a very strong smell before it is toxic, but my nose can't measure that exact deadly rate.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 13, 2025 06:48 PM (vbXSk)

133 I can absolutely believe there's people, including some major celebrities, who could hunt other people.

I'd bet that Alec Baldwin has had the fantasy. Eric Swallowell too. Also Jane Fonda, although she seems more the type to open camps and let others do the dirty work.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 06:48 PM (Ixlky)

134 secret-agrent camp = secret-agent camp

Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2025 06:48 PM (oraVG)

135 Objection! All threads are boob threads.

I was trying to think the other day whether there are any active, bosomy actresses besides Sydney sweeney these days and I am coming up empty.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 13, 2025 06:46 PM (zZu0s)
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They never comment where bewbs are under discussion because they are alarmed and confused by them, having never known the warmth of a woman.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 13, 2025 06:48 PM (ZOv7s)

136 Having met a few Serbs, this sounds exactly like a bullshit story they made up to laugh at the dumb credulous westerners.

Posted by: Don't blame the alligators at November 13, 2025 06:48 PM (1Nv0l)

137 Let's imagine the US has to give three states to Canada, and one to China*. Which do you give up, and what to whom? No trades allowed either.

*You can ignore the China provision if you wish.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 06:42 PM

Easy, we give New York, Connecticut and Mass to Canada. A nice continuous border for them but it does cut off Maine, VT and NH. They will just have to deal with it.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 13, 2025 06:48 PM (0N4FZ)

138 I don't question the depravity, I question the practicality of it.

Sarajevo was under siege, and that means there were lines all around the city, including the backfield to prevent infiltrators from getting in. So the 'tourists' would have to negotiate a way through all that, then literally have a sniper position in the front lines, and everyone on their own side would be fine about it, because if they don't know who is there, THEY will shot them.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 13, 2025 06:37 PM (ZOv7s)

The tourists would presumably have escorts and would have friendly uniforms once everyone is paid off. Then all you would need is an observation / sniper post where real snipers could set up a shot and swap in the tourist to pull the trigger.

So I don't see a huge bar on the practical part of it.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2025 06:48 PM (8avO+)

139 I just don't think there are ENOUGH people who want to hunt people to form an economic ecosystem.
Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:46 PM (1wjle)

Hmmm. Maybe valid. A counter would be: how much do you believe about the Georgia guidestones and that place the robed commies were supposed to be gathering.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 13, 2025 06:48 PM (zZu0s)

140 I’m one of the half dozen people who did not care for The Stand.
Posted by: tubal

I read it while sick with an infection. Kinda resonated with my depressive mood. I'd never say King was a good writer, even before he hired a writing crew. But, eh, no accounting for taste.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 13, 2025 06:48 PM (mlg/3)

141
Damn. Now I gotta go watch MST3K.

If it's not Joel, TV's Frank and Dr. Forrester, I'm not sticking it out.

Posted by: Auspex at November 13, 2025 06:48 PM (Y8DZL)

142 >>>Was nit impressed, frankly. You're not missing much, Ace.

ah. okay. I always wind up landing on that page on wiki-walks.

Maybe *I* am part of the Human Hunting Demographic and just don't realize it.

I did talk an awful lot about hunting hobos...

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:49 PM (1wjle)

143 whole states.
Redrawing borders makes it too easy. :-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 06:47 PM (Ixlky)

Yeah, true.

Washington and Oregon, for sure.

And...I don't know...Indiana. No reason except who gives two shits about Indiana?

Posted by: Robert, The Love Walrus at November 13, 2025 06:49 PM (1Yy3c)

144 If this is not a boob thread I have better things to do.

Posted by: Don't blame the alligators at November 13, 2025 06:49 PM (1Nv0l)

145 A guy who fled the war in Kosovo was murdered by a scumbag in NYC yesterday. The victim was described as a hard working family guy who was nice. Very welcoming of you NYC

Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 13, 2025 06:50 PM (bfwj/)

146
The Balkans: Europe's trailer park

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 13, 2025 06:50 PM (tgvbd)

147
I just don't think there are ENOUGH people who want to hunt people to form an economic ecosystem.

Use H1B's to hunt the people Americans just won't hunt.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 13, 2025 06:50 PM (pkeXY)

148 Boss Moss, there have been a few King books that were short story collections:

- Night Shift
- Skeleton Crew (my first SK book, got it for Christmas in 1983)
- Different Seasons

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 06:50 PM (Ixlky)

149 Let's imagine the US has to give three states to Canada, and one to China*. Which do you give up, and what to whom? No trades allowed either.

*You can ignore the China provision if you wish.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 06:42 PM

Easy, we give New York, Connecticut and Mass to Canada. A nice continuous border for them but it does cut off Maine, VT and NH. They will just have to deal with it.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 13, 2025 06:48 PM (0N4FZ)

Give Texas to Canada, and then we'd have the whole place in a little while. Then we could re-annex what we want.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2025 06:50 PM (8avO+)

150 Gazans were stranded at a South African airport after South Africa refused to receive them. Amazingly, the South African government blamed Israel, saying it couldn't let them into South Africa because Israel didn't stamp their passports...”
-----

In some countries one won't be allowed entry if Israel DOES stamp their passports.

Posted by: Crusader at November 13, 2025 06:50 PM (TN0g+)

151 104 >>>I did like the SK short story the movie is based on.

isn't it a novel? A very repetitive novel?
Posted by: ace

Oh yea, you're right. It was a novel. I forgot. I did read it a long time ago. I usually fast forward a few chapters of his novels because they are, well, repetitive. Maybe that's why I thought it was a short story. I made it a short story.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 13, 2025 06:50 PM (G1ktt)

152 Shocked this has not been mentioned yet.

But there was a serial killer in Alaska who would take his victims out into the wilderness, they would never return.

Posted by: Anna Puma at November 13, 2025 06:50 PM (yKAnq)

153 The elites have been spending billions of dollars to finance the trans mania, bringing in savages into civilized countries and trying to completely reform western economies to fight a made up global warming crisis so I think them hunting people for fun isn't outside the realm of probability.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at November 13, 2025 06:51 PM (Vh9CX)

154 Haven't there been multiple versions of The Most Dangerous Game?

But none as amazing as the movie Deadly Prey, as reviewed on RedLetterMedia.

Posted by: Military Moron at November 13, 2025 06:51 PM (ycI94)

155 Vermont, RI and Indiana: no major rivers or mineral deposits, accessible from Canada.
China can have Hawaii

Posted by: Accomack at November 13, 2025 06:51 PM (9H7EW)

156 Hillary went to Bosnia. So maybe someone thought of capitalism given her enduring popularity over the decades. That I'd believe before targeting random soldiers.

Posted by: Bete at November 13, 2025 06:51 PM (LX4y3)

157 It had an old west gunslinger.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 13, 2025 06:51 PM (JVuEd)

158 There's a rule in physics: If it can happen, it does happen; if it doesn't happen, it can't happen.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:33 PM
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I don't totally agree with that. But we can get closer to that model in our thinking by dispelling "possibility" as that which is not decidedly impossible.

Thus a combination of that rule and the "Simulation Hypothesis" would be we are "in a simulation" only if such thing is fully feasible, and if we are not in one, it would go toward the infeasibility of sentient beings "in a simulation".

None of the factors we know to any degree of specifiability.

Posted by: Axeman at November 13, 2025 06:51 PM (krQz2)

159 152 Shocked this has not been mentioned yet.

But there was a serial killer in Alaska who would take his victims out into the wilderness, they would never return.
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 13, 2025 06:50 PM (yKAnq)

Worst. Fishing. Guide. Ever.

Posted by: tubal at November 13, 2025 06:51 PM (PCK5/)

160
Let's ask Hemmingway what he has to say about this:

"There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter."

Posted by: pawn at November 13, 2025 06:52 PM (sPsWv)

161
This sounds to me like a dark fantasy that this guy wants to be true.

I remember reading about Eurotrash going on sniper holidays in Beirut during the Civil War there. I read newspaper articles that hinted about it in the 80s.

Granted, it was only hints and rumors, but these sort of stories go back DECADES and in multiple conflicts. True or not, it wouldn't surprise me.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 13, 2025 06:52 PM (y9nCu)

162 Mister Scott, Robert and others:

I'd give Canada the following states:
Washington
Oregon
Minnesota

...but also give any Hordies who live in those states, plenty of time and money to relocate.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 06:52 PM (Ixlky)

163
I doubt this story is true.

But I would not be surprised if this story is true.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 13, 2025 06:52 PM (tgvbd)

164 How can people here forget about HARD TARGET with the Great Van Damme and Lance Henriksen

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 13, 2025 06:52 PM (FCrpy)

165 The tourists would presumably have escorts and would have friendly uniforms once everyone is paid off. Then all you would need is an observation / sniper post where real snipers could set up a shot and swap in the tourist to pull the trigger.

So I don't see a huge bar on the practical part of it.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2025 06:48 PM (8avO+)
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That's a lot of work during active combat by threadbare Serbian troops.

That's also a lot of payoffs and people who have to be repeatedly paid off and would face no penalty for diming you out.

Like maybe drill you, and the tourists and take their stuff. Or hold them hostage for a ransom.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 13, 2025 06:52 PM (ZOv7s)

166 'The Mist' was pretty good. I was hoping the liberal douchebags in 'Children of the Corn' would get killed.

King's movies really show his disdain for religion. It's boring and preachy. That's why asian films are better.

I think people mentioned 'The Audition' and 'Ichi the Killer' which were cool movies from Japan. On Tubi, I think. I really liked 'Signal 100' too.

Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at November 13, 2025 06:53 PM (Sco7b)

167 Anna Puma:
taking victims to the woods was what Ted Bundy would do.

*And* he would return and... play... with the dead bodies afterwards as well. Yick.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 06:53 PM (Ixlky)

168 How can people here forget about HARD TARGET with the Great Van Damme and Lance Henriksen
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We might as well mention "Universal Soldier" while we're at it.

Posted by: Crusader at November 13, 2025 06:53 PM (TN0g+)

169 " I'm making a numbers-based argument: There just aren't enough of these sickos that they can find each other and form a club, much less a cottage industry that services them." Posted by: ace

Probably true, but there is "The Madness of Crowds" element, or the current leftist drive to "Kill All Trump Supporters" that makes one pause. Or the whole Islamist "Kill the Infidel" cult of death thang.

Normal people can be driven to crazy places.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 13, 2025 06:54 PM (vbXSk)

170 Space Ice on Hard Target -- BEST MOVIE EVER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIzjbBXNz7o

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 06:55 PM (1wjle)

171 If they were hunting people they wouldn't do it in a fucking war zone. It would be on some private ranch in a country and location where escape would be next to impossible. Drinks would be served. Perhaps some light refreshments.

Posted by: Max Power at November 13, 2025 06:55 PM (q177U)

172 True or not, this is not the first time this accusation made. "Combat Tourism" in the Balkan Wars presented a couple times during and after the cessation of fighting describing this kind of activity. A tour in Croatia on active duty and contractor work out of North Macedonia for KFOR, never saw any of the things under investigation and presented here. Rare departure from Ace in my mind and experience, very possible and spot on with Italian accusation protocols. I remember earlier entries like new lines mag documentary alleging foreigners taking part in civilian hunting in Sarajevo.

Posted by: commander cobra at November 13, 2025 06:56 PM (gRff8)

173 The Most Dangerous Game was required reading in highschool.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 13, 2025 06:56 PM (JVuEd)

174 I remember reading about Eurotrash going on sniper holidays in Beirut during the Civil War there. I read newspaper articles that hinted about it in the 80s.

Granted, it was only hints and rumors, but these sort of stories go back DECADES and in multiple conflicts. True or not, it wouldn't surprise me.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 13, 2025 06:52 PM (y9nCu)
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All that proves is that journalists as a class have lurid fantasies about aristocrats doing evil things.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 13, 2025 06:56 PM (ZOv7s)

175 Getting caught and not in a uniform could getbyou executed real quickly

Posted by: Skip at November 13, 2025 06:57 PM (+qU29)

176 Probably true, but there is "The Madness of Crowds" element, or the current leftist drive to "Kill All Trump Supporters" that makes one pause. Or the whole Islamist "Kill the Infidel" cult of death thang.
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That's completely different than a "cottage industry" that presumably cater to 9-Fivers who had a week or two of vacation and a few thousand in the bank would would like to run off to Europe or somewhere and play sniper for a week before going back to the mainland and their 9-5 job.

Posted by: Crusader at November 13, 2025 06:57 PM (TN0g+)

177 Having a scotch, because

Posted by: Skip at November 13, 2025 06:57 PM (+qU29)

178 Having some Tennessee Bourbon.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 13, 2025 06:58 PM (JVuEd)

179 Skip, Happy Birthday.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 13, 2025 06:58 PM (zzXla)

180 There have been a few nurse serial killers, iirc.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 13, 2025 06:39 PM (zZu0s)

You never know when one of us might snap.

I read that most nurses are crazy. I am not sure if this is true, but I am always welcome at parties.

In reality, due to me being sort of near a real serial killer in college, I will not read or watch anything about them. I was easy pickin's for him, but somehow I missed meeting the demon.

As I have said, my guardian angels were exhausted and retired when I finally married someone to take care of me.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at November 13, 2025 06:58 PM (MAl//)

181 If they were hunting people they wouldn't do it in a fucking war zone. It would be on some private ranch in a country and location where escape would be next to impossible. Drinks would be served. Perhaps some light refreshments.
Posted by: Max Power at November 13, 2025 06:55 PM (q177U)

This is the way.

Posted by: Zombie Dick Cheney at November 13, 2025 06:58 PM (R/m4+)

182 Ultimately, someone would have talked about fight club.

Posted by: Don't blame the alligators at November 13, 2025 06:59 PM (1Nv0l)

183 It seems to me that if probability and happenstance are identically the same, we can dispense with the expensive multiverse conjecture.

Except, if the multiverse happens, you know....

* shaking head *

Posted by: Axeman at November 13, 2025 06:59 PM (krQz2)

184 ah. okay. I always wind up landing on that page on wiki-walks.
Posted by: ace

There is one aspect of the film that merits viewing: A side character who also one of the "hunters' played by a very sexy Italian actress. Just googled it now, and her name was apparently Elsa Martinelli. For her brief scenes, The 10th victim might be worth checking out. also, just to say you've seen it, for film Snob points.

Posted by: zombie at November 13, 2025 06:59 PM (oraVG)

185 122 not to mention, music, movie, gun, boob threads?? Why is this, I wonder??
Posted by: tubal at November 13, 2025 06:43 PM (PCK5/)

Objection! All threads are boob threads.

I was trying to think the other day whether there are any active, bosomy actresses besides Sydney sweeney these days and I am coming up empty.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone

Alexandra Daddario

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 13, 2025 06:59 PM (G1ktt)

186 Shiki is an Anime version of Salem's lot it's good and I don't King ever got over people making better versions of his books and movies than he could and why he keeps trying to remake them. He had to make the Priest the bad guy in all the remakes of Salem's lot.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 13, 2025 06:59 PM (FCrpy)

187 Anyone having 2 Buck Chuck??

Posted by: tubal at November 13, 2025 06:59 PM (PCK5/)

188 This was also the part of the plot in Lee Child's thriller "Past Tense."

Reacher is up in New England looking into his father's side of the family, when he ends up in a small town in NH where a young couple has checked into the local motel where they're the only guests...except for six hunters.

Posted by: Wethal at November 13, 2025 06:59 PM (/6ZNk)

189 "There's a rule in physics: If it can happen, it does happen; if it doesn't happen, it can't happen."

Who the hell says this? This isn't even physics.

Posted by: pawn at November 13, 2025 06:59 PM (sPsWv)

190 Since we're kinda/sorta on the topic of novels:

I recently finally got a copy of The Fountainhead by America's sweetheart, Ayn Rand.

Can anyone explain to me what the differences are between Atlas Shrugged and Fountainhead? It seems to me like AS is just a repeat of F, only several hundred pages even longer.

Anyway, thanks in advance to anyone who can provide advice whether AS if worth purchasing as well. I know it's only another ten bucks, but still.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 06:59 PM (Ixlky)

191 "Humans hunting humans" was actually a plot of a Gillian's Island episode.

Big game hunter lands on the island. No big game on the island, so he decides to hunt people. He selects Gillian as the prey.

Hilarity and hijinks ensue.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at November 13, 2025 07:01 PM (cEHXL)

192 If they were hunting people they wouldn't do it in a fucking war zone. It would be on some private ranch in a country and location where escape would be next to impossible. Drinks would be served. Perhaps some light refreshments.
Posted by: Max Power at November 13, 2025 06:55 PM (q177U)
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And certainly not in a war zone with very limited access. The road network is really constrained so lots of checkpoints and people to wonder who the tourists are.

The whole country was being torn apart by fighting, and the lines between the factions were not always clear.

Just go to Venezuela and plink people out in the boonies if that's your kink.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 13, 2025 07:01 PM (ZOv7s)

193 That's a lot of work during active combat by threadbare Serbian troops.

That's also a lot of payoffs and people who have to be repeatedly paid off and would face no penalty for diming you out.

Like maybe drill you, and the tourists and take their stuff. Or hold them hostage for a ransom.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 13, 2025 06:52 PM (ZOv7s)

They'd be a lot less threadbare after they got the payoff and vanished out of the army.

There were stories in Ukraine that the UKR black market sold western tanks to Russia, and just about everything else worldwide routinely. Doing things off the books is managed all the time.

I'm no idea if its true, but lots of shady operators exist and operate in war zones.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2025 07:01 PM (8avO+)

194 Re Stephen King, everyone seems to agree that his all-time best are/were:

Salem's Lot
Carrie
The Shining
The Stand

Like a lot of other artists, he peaked super early.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 07:01 PM (Ixlky)

195 Alexandra Daddario
Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 13, 2025 06:59 PM (G1ktt)

Active.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at November 13, 2025 07:01 PM (zZu0s)

196 Lee Child plots don't stick with me. They're good but read like comic books.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 13, 2025 07:01 PM (JVuEd)

197 We used to do an Ass*ssination game back in college. With squirt guns. It was then that I realized that vigilance is exhausting.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 13, 2025 07:01 PM (qwx/I)

198 The Green Mile.

Posted by: tubal at November 13, 2025 07:02 PM (PCK5/)

199 Mmm Ursula Undress... Back in the day if we had hooked up King Arthur himself couldn't pull me out

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov, now, where does a war hero get some lubrication around here? at November 13, 2025 07:02 PM (wBaIH)

200 Anyway, thanks in advance to anyone who can provide advice whether AS if worth purchasing as well. I know it's only another ten bucks, but still.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 06:59 PM (Ixlky)

No.

Posted by: If Your Really Bored Read "Heart Of Darkness" at November 13, 2025 07:03 PM (R/m4+)

201 190: Atlas Shrugged desperately needed an editor. Good world building, a decent story, meh characters, and she just didn't know when to SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP!!!! She just keeps going and going and going.... It was a slog of a read.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at November 13, 2025 07:03 PM (G1ktt)

202
Another movie in this sub-genre: The Hunt

Fun flick, Ed Harris' wife, commie hag Amy Madigan, gets shot point-blank in the face with a shotgun.

Plus, Betty Gilpin's epically perky rack.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 13, 2025 07:03 PM (y9nCu)

203 I enjoyed The Fountainhead more than Shrugged...it was 30 years ago and I don't remember why I liked it better.

I don't think I could deal with her figuratively pecker slapping me in the face with objectivism in my 50s.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 13, 2025 07:03 PM (qwx/I)

204 tubal, hmmm.

I know that others here would probably argue, Stephen King's all-time best is the short story that became The Shawshank Redemption.

BTW, I'm the only person on the planet apparently who doesn't care for Shawshank. To me it just plays too perfectly like the ultimate revenge fantasy.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 07:03 PM (Ixlky)

205 Can anyone explain to me what the differences are between Atlas Shrugged and Fountainhead? It seems to me like AS is just a repeat of F, only several hundred pages even longer.

Anyway, thanks in advance to anyone who can provide advice whether AS if worth purchasing as well. I know it's only another ten bucks, but still.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 06:59 PM (Ixlky)

Fountainhead is about an architect who destroys his own building when they screw up his design.

Atlas Shrugged is about the competent going on strike against their collectivist society and opting out through the eyes of a 'scab' trying to preserve her railroad.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2025 07:03 PM (8avO+)

206 Thank Ben

Posted by: Skip at November 13, 2025 07:03 PM (+qU29)

207 I hope Skip has a birthday cheesesteak. With.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 13, 2025 07:04 PM (OWovX)

208 Puddleglum, yup. I think Ayn had Stephen King's Syndrome 20 years before Steve was born. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 07:04 PM (Ixlky)

209 A country in which an acquittal may be appealed is one to view askancely.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at November 13, 2025 07:05 PM (gfXWV)

210 I'm no idea if its true, but lots of shady operators exist and operate in war zones.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2025 07:01 PM (8avO+)
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Pilfering supplies and arms trading are very different from bringing in outsiders, managing to get them through the rear area security and then have a nice, cozy sniper nest waiting for them to take shots (and maybe draw return fire on the position) and then get out again.

If these people are rich enough to pay off a bunch of people, they are rich enough to pay a hefty ransom, which is what would happen. I mean, if we're talking about depravity, it cuts both ways. Why would the guys running a murder tourism gig keep their word?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 13, 2025 07:05 PM (ZOv7s)

211 Skip. Happy Birthday and many many more.

Posted by: tubal at November 13, 2025 07:05 PM (PCK5/)

212 194 Re Stephen King, everyone seems to agree that his all-time best are/were:

Salem's Lot
Carrie
The Shining
The Stand

Like a lot of other artists, he peaked super early.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 07:01 PM (Ixlky)

IT
Green Mile
Shawshank redemption

his work really suffered when he got sober and stopped doing Coke and Drinking

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 13, 2025 07:05 PM (FCrpy)

213 So, 30 years later... and in another countries Jurisdiction.

Just what is the charge going to be?

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2025 07:05 PM (mP0Kj)

214 The Hunt (2020) is fun

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at November 13, 2025 07:06 PM (eZ5tL)

215 But there was a serial killer in Alaska who would take his victims out into the wilderness, they would never return.
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 13, 2025 06:50 PM (yKAnq)

I recall a TV movie about that. I think one of his victims escaped and then the police discovered some other victims clothes stashed in an attic cubby hole.

Posted by: Beartooth at November 13, 2025 07:06 PM (0714D)

216
God exists if an entity has the "power of God" (where sentience being the power of "self-determination" which is arguably a "power"). God is only possible if and only if that entity ("He") is.

How much power God then has, only he has the observational platform to see. Although it is a comprehensible strategy to bound the actual by the probable and the probable by the actual, we are speaking of filling in for our ignorance, however "high-percentage" it arguably is. And thus we cannot claim to know absolutely, where as an observer with all power--given "knowledge", i.e. the accumulation of all knowable aspects and integration--as a form of power.

Posted by: Axeman at November 13, 2025 07:06 PM (krQz2)

217 Do wireless phone chargers work?

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 13, 2025 07:07 PM (JVuEd)

218 Stephen King, everyone seems to agree that his all-time best are/were:

Salem's Lot
Carrie
The Shining
The Stand

Like a lot of other artists, he peaked super early.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 07:01 PM (Ixlky)
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I liked Desperation, myself.

Posted by: Axeman at November 13, 2025 07:07 PM (krQz2)

219 Alexandra Daddario
Posted by: Puddleglum
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*nod*

Posted by: Don't blame the alligators at November 13, 2025 07:07 PM (1Nv0l)

220 Ok, help with finding a movie from the late 60s or early 70s: I remember very little about it, but it left an impression in 1983 when I saw it late night on television.

PLOT: A man is the main character and he wakes up and knows nothing about himself. He's in his 30s, decently dressed, decent vocabulary, but the name he finds he has means NOTHING to him, and he has no memory of doing anything as that man/that name.

An hour and a half later he tracks down that he was manipulated by some government agency/somewhere because he was needed to something/somewhere and recovers past life, sort of.

Yes, incredibly vague, but it struck me as interesting at the time.

Posted by: Crusader at November 13, 2025 07:08 PM (TN0g+)

221 191 "Humans hunting humans" was actually a plot of a Gillian's Island episode.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at November 13, 2025 07:01 PM (cEHXL

THANK YOU!

I was just wondering if there was kind of a messed up "Gilligan's Island" episode like that.

I'm sure this had to be the plot of some superhero shows though. Maybe 1990's X-Men.

Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at November 13, 2025 07:08 PM (Sco7b)

222 It's been dark for an hour, and it's only 6:05, and five plus more weeks of days getting shorter, and colder. Oh well ... such is life, until I can afford to move to the Southern hemisphere for winter.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 13, 2025 07:08 PM (vbXSk)

223 puddleglum, that's what I've always heard about Rand. She'll drop the story and just start philosophizing for 200 pages, on a whim.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 07:08 PM (Ixlky)

224 197 We used to do an Ass*ssination game back in college. With squirt guns. It was then that I realized that vigilance is exhausting.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 13, 2025 07:01 PM (qwx/I)

Mid 80's we played on a Navy Communications base up in a Valley on top of Oahu. Yeah, place was just a TAD bit classified (actually had Marines guarding the gates not rent a cops).

Command shut us down on our second round... it got a tad bit out of hand.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 13, 2025 07:08 PM (mP0Kj)

225 Yes, incredibly vague, but it struck me as interesting at the time.
Posted by: Crusader at November 13, 2025 07:08 PM (TN0g+)
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Sounds like Michael Crichton

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 13, 2025 07:09 PM (OWovX)

226 Hunting humans has been done in many kinds of stores

Posted by: Skip at November 13, 2025 07:09 PM (+qU29)

227 No mention of The Deadliest Game? It is the short story that is the grand daddy to all this.

Posted by: anon2020 at November 13, 2025 07:09 PM (RqMDa)

228 Pilfering supplies and arms trading are very different from bringing in outsiders, managing to get them through the rear area security and then have a nice, cozy sniper nest waiting for them to take shots (and maybe draw return fire on the position) and then get out again.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 13, 2025 07:05 PM (ZOv7s)

They'd be part of the army, of course who runs the security.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2025 07:09 PM (8avO+)

229 >>> Blue Sky is an absolute cesspool right now in the wake of the news about John Fetterman's fall.

So the Rand Paul Treament. (Bad things happened to a politician with wrongthink, and I wish it was worse!)

I'll note our side joke about it when it's stuff like a Harry Reid getting exercise equipment smacked in the face. Dumb but nonlethal. Whereas they are slobbering over the almost lethal stuff.

Posted by: Lace Wigs at November 13, 2025 07:10 PM (gWBY1)

230 I've only read The Stand, one of the Bachman books that I can't remember for a darn, and two of the Gunslinger books. I like the 1st Gunslinger book. The second is a time-travel mess. The 3rd sounded like an indulgent mess.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 13, 2025 07:10 PM (mlg/3)

231 I remember the Harry Reid 'exercise bike scandal.'

At the same time, he was living with (?) a violent and somewhat brain-damaged brother, or cousin, or something.

The belief here, as I recall, was that it wasn't the equipment that broke Harry's face.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 07:11 PM (Ixlky)

232 Blue Sky is an absolute cesspool right now in the wake of the news about John Fetterman's fall.

So the Rand Paul Treament. (Bad things happened to a politician with wrongthink, and I wish it was worse!)

Posted by: Lace Wigs at November 13, 2025 07:10 PM (gWBY1)
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"The Party of SCIENCE!"

Forward these politics to 5 people you know unless you want something bad to happen to you!

Posted by: Axeman at November 13, 2025 07:11 PM (krQz2)

233 You know who is incredible at detecting snipers?

The commenters of the Art Thread.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 13, 2025 07:13 PM (0sNs1)

234 I was just wondering if there was kind of a messed up "Gilligan's Island" episode like that.

Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at November 13, 2025 07:08 PM (Sco7b)
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I'll make a prediction: The presence of the hunter indicates a way to get off the island. They don't get off the island.

Posted by: Axeman at November 13, 2025 07:13 PM (krQz2)

235 In my review, I relayed that there are more dangers there than serial killers:

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The North American Man Boy Lincoln Association Association has some thoughts.

The Lincoln Project
@ProjectLincoln
If you know anyone who is still a staunch Trump supporter, even after all this, I would keep them away from any kids this Thanksgiving.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Why Do the Heathen Rage? at November 13, 2025 07:13 PM (L/fGl)

236 Ok, help with finding a movie from the late 60s or early 70s: I remember very little about it, but it left an impression in 1983 when I saw it late night on television.

PLOT: A man is the main character and he wakes up and knows nothing about himself. He's in his 30s, decently dressed, decent vocabulary, but the name he finds he has means NOTHING to him, and he has no memory of doing anything as that man/that name.

An hour and a half later he tracks down that he was manipulated by some government agency/somewhere because he was needed to something/somewhere and recovers past life, sort of.

Yes, incredibly vague, but it struck me as interesting at the time.
Posted by: Crusader at November 13, 2025 07:08 PM (TN0g+)
The Groundstar Conspiracy?

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 13, 2025 07:13 PM (FCrpy)

237 Fetterman is right about he is in a purple state, and he has to at least pretend to listen to his voters that lean right. The lefties don't get that.

Utah is going to have a democrat house seat soon because of a rogue judge. Representing the SLC area. Since they aren't a senator they don't have to play these purple state games as much, SLC is bright blue. It will be interesting to see a Utah Democrat who gets to take all the masks off and show what Utah Democrat values REALLY are.

If they are smart they will get a far lefty in who is LDS, to make the hurt not so bad. But if they smell blood it'll be a godless commie with a winemom wife. There are plenty of those in SLC.

Posted by: LizLem at November 13, 2025 07:14 PM (gWBY1)

238 Do wireless phone chargers work?
Posted by: Boss Moss at November 13, 2025 07:07 PM (JVuEd)

I have one. It works fine.

Posted by: alpine_beer at November 13, 2025 07:14 PM (van9r)

239 >>>Fountainhead is about an architect who destroys his own building when they screw up his design.
Atlas Shrugged is about the competent going on strike against their collectivist society and opting out through the eyes of a 'scab' trying to preserve her railroad.

while I didn't read the Fountainhead, I'd add that I think they're in different genres. I think the Fountainhead is a semi-plausible drama about one man trusting himself and guarding his own individuality, and rejecting the demands for comformity by committee, and Atlas Shrugged is a sci-fi type of story about men who trusts themselves over the collective, so they all abandon the collective world and set up their own commune of individualists in colorado.

The world outside collapses because Atlas -- the giant holding up the heavens -- shrugged off his burden.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 07:14 PM (1wjle)

240 It's true Ace. I've seen the classified reports. Hans Hunter ran a human hunt in eastern Europe.

Wait. Or was it an island? Might have been an island. I read the CONTROL report by its agents.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at November 13, 2025 07:14 PM (uQesX)

241 Having watched Serbian troops line up Muslim villagers and mow them down on live Predator feeds without any way to respond (before the Hellfire was added as an armament, and you can bet the ACC General who made that happen had those episodes as motivation) and step over bricks with names of deceased victims of the war surrounding NATO HQ in Croatia, I can believe this is true.

Posted by: epador at November 13, 2025 07:15 PM (z7KLt)

242 Ok, help with finding a movie from the late 60s or early 70s: I remember very little about it, but it left an impression in 1983 when I saw it late night on television.

PLOT: A man is the main character and he wakes up and knows nothing about himself. He's in his 30s, decently dressed, decent vocabulary, but the name he finds he has means NOTHING to him, and he has no memory of doing anything as that man/that name.

An hour and a half later he tracks down that he was manipulated by some government agency/somewhere because he was needed to something/somewhere and recovers past life, sort of.

Yes, incredibly vague, but it struck me as interesting at the time.
Posted by: Crusader at November 13, 2025 07:08 PM (TN0g+)
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"Dude, Where's My Car?"?

Posted by: Axeman at November 13, 2025 07:15 PM (krQz2)

243 i usually can't finish steven king books. I finished The Shining and Misery. They were a'ight. I liked Misery more.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2025 07:16 PM (1wjle)

244 ace, thanks! As noted before, Ayn really could have used a better editor.

Also thanks to everyone responding to my never-ending queries. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 07:16 PM (Ixlky)

245 Musk is renaming his "Grokipedia" (neat concept, stupid name, though perhaps not quite as stupid as "Wikipedia") to "Encyclopedia Galactica".

A gold star to anyone who gets the science fiction reference there.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 13, 2025 07:16 PM (IG3/x)

246 The Fountainhead, IMO, really exposes Rand's lack of understanding about property.

Posted by: Axeman at November 13, 2025 07:16 PM (krQz2)

247 >>> 227 No mention of The Deadliest Game? It is the short story that is the grand daddy to all this.

I had to read that in school. Was pretty interesting.

Posted by: LizLem at November 13, 2025 07:17 PM (gWBY1)

248 We all got Eyes of the Dragon one year for Christmas. They must have been cheap.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 13, 2025 07:18 PM (JVuEd)

249 Happy Birthday Skip.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2025 07:18 PM (viF8m)

250 Stephen King has a bad habit of name dropping CNN anchors in his later books. Super annoying!

Posted by: Max Power at November 13, 2025 07:18 PM (q177U)

251 Here's an alternative thought; they're sifting the pepper shaker of history from 20-30 years ago for flysh*t about sniper tourism; we just had a civilian massacre when palestinian terrorists handglided into Israel and murdered civilians in the most barbaric way possible; large amounts of this have been documented by the bad actors themselves but nobody but the country that was attacked want to talk or do anything about it.

Posted by: Nelly at November 13, 2025 07:18 PM (SJF/H)

252 now it can be birthday time

Posted by: alpine_beer at November 13, 2025 07:18 PM (van9r)

253 Musk is renaming his "Grokipedia" (neat concept, stupid name, though perhaps not quite as stupid as "Wikipedia") to "Encyclopedia Galactica".

A gold star to anyone who gets the science fiction reference there.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 13, 2025 07:16 PM (IG3/x)

Grok comes from Stranger in a Strange Land. Its a Martian thing.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2025 07:19 PM (8avO+)

254 I've also been downloading Audible releases of novels.

It seems nice to read along with the audiobook, but good grief those tapes are LONG. For instance, almost 19 hours for The Godfather, by Mario Puzo. Don't ask how long Stephen King's IT audiobook is.

Apparently they'r read very... slowly...

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 07:19 PM (Ixlky)

255 Skip's birthday. Cool.
Happy Birthday and many more.

Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at November 13, 2025 07:20 PM (Sco7b)

256 >>> Musk is renaming his "Grokipedia" (neat concept, stupid name, though perhaps not quite as stupid as "Wikipedia") to "Encyclopedia Galactica".

He did this too with changing twitter to X. Really smart from a branding perspective. Take away the old name, which is actually advertising for Wikipedia, and give his online encyclopedia the cachet of an Encyclopedia Brittanica.

I like the new name, but Grokipedia is shorter. People are lazy. So unless he finds a short nickname, Grokipedia will stick.

Posted by: LizLem at November 13, 2025 07:20 PM (gWBY1)

257 Max, you know that King has CNN and MSNBC on his TV non-stop in the background while he's writing.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 07:20 PM (Ixlky)

258 Musk is renaming his "Grokipedia" (neat concept, stupid name, though perhaps not quite as stupid as "Wikipedia") to "Encyclopedia Galactica".

A gold star to anyone who gets the science fiction reference there.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 13, 2025 07:16 PM (IG3/x)

Grok comes from Stranger in a Strange Land. Its a Martian thing.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2025 07:19 PM

I think he's referring to Isaac Asimov's Foundation series.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 13, 2025 07:21 PM (0sNs1)

259 Wait. The person wondering about the 1970's movie.

Let me try Grok. Let's see if it's helpful.

Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at November 13, 2025 07:22 PM (Sco7b)

260 Nood. Café.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 13, 2025 07:22 PM (0sNs1)

261 Skip's birthday. Cool.
Happy Birthday and many more.

Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at November 13, 2025 07:20 PM (Sco7b)
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Does that make him 30?

Wouldn't that mean a visit to Carrousel?

Posted by: Axeman at November 13, 2025 07:22 PM (krQz2)

262 Nood cafe

Posted by: CaliGirl at November 13, 2025 07:23 PM (AZf41)

263 I lost my willing-suspension-of-disbelief for _Atlas Shrugged_ when it got to the John Galt speech.

You may recall that he used his Super Science to cut in on all radio broadcasts, then proceeded to Regurgitate a Rand Rant for page after page after page.

In the book, listeners stayed glued to the radio.

In real life, people would say "Isn't this asshole ever going to shut the fuck up?" and turn the radio off.

Me, I started skipping pages. Five pages. Ten pages. Twenty pages. As I recall the damned thing is like 75 pages long, and every bit of it is regurgitating the same philosophical points as the rest of the book.

As someone said above, she needed a competent editor.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 13, 2025 07:23 PM (IG3/x)

264 There were some tropes on 1970s TV that seemed to pop up everywhere.

The guy who doesn't know who he is or how he got there.

The bad guy who does all his bad stuff in person, but dressed as a woman.

The super-smart monkey who shows everyone up in every sitcom.

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 07:23 PM (Ixlky)

265 Crusader. From Grpk.

Likely Movie: The Ipcress File (1965)

Based on your description, the film that best matches is The Ipcress File, a British spy thriller directed by Sidney J. Furie and starring Michael Caine as the sharp-witted, working-class secret agent Harry Palmer. It's from 1965 (late '60s), fits the era perfectly, and was a staple of late-night TV broadcasts in the '70s and '80s, including around 1983 when you saw it. The plot revolves around Cold War espionage, government betrayal, and psychological manipulation—elements that would have felt fresh and intriguing at the time, especially with its gritty, realistic tone contrasting flashier Bond films.

Quick Plot Summary (Spoiler-Light) The Setup and Amnesia Element: Palmer is a clever, street-smart agent in his 30s, reassigned to a low-key intelligence unit after bending rules in his previous job. He's well-dressed in a nondescript suit, speaks with dry, educated sarcasm (but no posh accent), and is deeply cynical about authority. Early on, while heading to a routine assignment, he's kidnapped and subjected to intense sensory

Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at November 13, 2025 07:24 PM (Sco7b)

266
"The Most Dangerous Game" from 193something and the short story it came from are probably the oldest hunt humans for fun fiction.

The movie is currently streaming on Criterion.

"The Pest" is a 90s comedy based on the same idea.

I really enjoy The Pest. A lot of people just hate it.

use your own discretion.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 13, 2025 07:24 PM (iJfKG)

267 The belief here, as I recall, was that it wasn't the equipment that broke Harry's face.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 07:11 PM (Ixlky)

The “tell” that the story was fake was when, to “prove” that it happened, Harry Reid sued the equipment manufacturer for damages. It went to trial and the manufacturers legal team said “well can you produce the equipment so we can tell how it failed?”
And Reid said oops so sorry I forgot and threw it away. And that was the end of that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 13, 2025 07:24 PM (GxM4+)

268 >>>257 Max, you know that King has CNN and MSNBC on his TV non-stop in the background while he's writing.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 07:20 PM (Ixlky)

Entertainment was once my gold standard for entertainment news. The finally jumped the shark for me when their movie reviews by Owen and Lisa went woke (she gave Juno an A- because Juno didn't abort her baby!), and then having Stephen King as a guest columnist (with a portrait of him looking like a demented The Grinch in really harsh ominous lighting). He was insufferable in those columns. I hate read them.

Posted by: LizLem at November 13, 2025 07:25 PM (gWBY1)

269 Does that make him 30?

Wouldn't that mean a visit to Carrousel?
Posted by: Axeman at November 13, 2025 07:22 PM (krQz2

I believe 29.1.
Then 29.2.

But we just shorten it to 29.

Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at November 13, 2025 07:25 PM (Sco7b)

270 Out of an abundance of caution, he was transported to a hospital in Pittsburgh.

When was the last time you could get caution in less than "an abundance?" Pre-Covid?

Posted by: mikeski at November 13, 2025 07:25 PM (nhCoE)

271 PLOT: A man is the main character and he wakes up and knows nothing about himself. He's in his 30s, decently dressed, decent vocabulary, but the name he finds he has means NOTHING to him, and he has no memory of doing anything as that man/that name.

Posted by: Axeman at November 13, 2025 07:15 PM (krQz2)

I remember an SF story with a similar start. Dude comes to a psychiatrist with his story starting there. He was near a lumberjack camp and worked there for a while, then one day an accident happens and he finds he can shape change. He thinks he was 'dropped off' by aliens and they form a theory that if they find his correct form it will break the amnesia. They experiment for a while with no results - aside from shape changing working - finally the psychiatrist goes to the area trying to figure out why he was dropped in that place particularly. He gets a flash and tells him to change form to a woman, and it works. They dropped him in an area where he would run into men first.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2025 07:26 PM (8avO+)

272 LizLem, yup.
A lot of critics are insufferable today because they've adopted Pauline Kael's POV, which is "if you don't like exactly what I like, and hate what I hate, you're stupid."

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 07:27 PM (Ixlky)

273 The super-smart monkey who shows everyone up in every sitcom.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 07:23 PM (Ixlky)

Late 60’s there was a year or two where everybody had to have a monkey. Ellie May had a monkey, even Judy Robinson on Lost in Space had a monkey. Which was the stupidest looking monkey ever, because in order to make it into a space monkey they took a chimpanzee and stuck something like donkey ears on it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 13, 2025 07:29 PM (GxM4+)

274 They experiment for a while with no results - aside from shape changing working - finally the psychiatrist goes to the area trying to figure out why he was dropped in that place particularly. He gets a flash and tells him to change form to a woman, and it works. They dropped him in an area where he would run into men first.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2025 07:26 PM (8avO+)

Well at least that story didn’t turn into Manimal.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 13, 2025 07:31 PM (GxM4+)

275 Tom Servo, yup.
To this day, I catch a monkey in *anything* I'm watching? I snap it off. Sick of it.

It was just super-lazy on the part of TV writers in the 1970s and 80s. "Anything a monkey does MUST be funny!!"

Posted by: qdpsteve at November 13, 2025 07:32 PM (Ixlky)

276 Late 60’s there was a year or two where everybody had to have a monkey. Ellie May had a monkey, even Judy Robinson on Lost in Space had a monkey. Which was the stupidest looking monkey ever, because in order to make it into a space monkey they took a chimpanzee and stuck something like donkey ears on it.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 13, 2025 07:29 PM (GxM4+)

To be fair to Bev Hillbillies Ellie had tons of animals of all sorts from the very first episodes, even cats and such. Somebody must have owed favors to the animal handler trade in CA at the time. They were ozark type animals at first, then more oddball ones as they moved in to the mansion.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2025 07:33 PM (8avO+)

277 143
'Posted by: Robert, The Love Walrus '

Go love yourself up the ass.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 13, 2025 07:41 PM (fd80v)

278 Boy, oh, boy, he's going to wake up painfully.

Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2025 07:46 PM (u/66v)

279 Ace - Good read about revenge, and why, pitting three against one is the 70's (recently re-released) book, Open Season, by David Osborn. Turned into a crappy movie. Available through Amazon.

Posted by: Dmac at November 13, 2025 08:24 PM (qImsE)

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