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Gun Thread: Second November Edition!
FUNdamentals Does any of this sound familiar? I am running out of ways to politely suggest you focus on fundamentals and practice with a purpose.
Sig P320 - The Story That Will Not Die
Steel Target Safety Probably time for a refresher on steel target safety.
AK Fiddy?
Minuteman III This is pretty spiffy!
Potato Cultivation and Distribution Q: Weasel, can we pleeeeze have a presentation on potato cultivation and distribution?
A: OK. Sure.
Highway Patrol! This week's episode: The Sniper!
The Changeling A slight departure from our usual sci-fi offerings, but seasonally appropriate I reckon. A very good and spoooooky movie!!
Mystery Cigar The first thing you will note in the picture is the lack of a wrapper and label. This is because the provenance of this cigar is unknown to me. My source was my neighbor, a retired sailor, who received it (along with several others) from another sailor who claimed he picked them up in Costa Rica. He said they were Cubans. So can you really trust a sailor??? Perhaps. So. I took a couple of these and put them into my humidor and let them rest for a couple of months. From the initial touch, they seemed a bit dry and the humidor lets them rehydrate a bit. I'm glad I did as this turned out to be an excellent cigar, very close to being on par with the likes of the Cohiba or the Arturo Fuente Gran Reserva. In fact, this cigar was a real treat. A very smooth smoke, easy to clip and light. It had a light draw and the ash burned evenly. The smoke was plentiful, and rich with aroma. Every third was a pleasant discovery. The first third had a bit of bite with cinnamon and light pepper. It mellowed in the second third with a pleasant tobacco taste that didn't burn the tongue as some might do. The aroma was even more powerful here as well. The final third was disappointing in that the cigar ended too soon. It was a rich smooth flavor. Smoking a cigar should be a time to sit back, relax, and just enjoy the blessing of our lives. This one was perfect for that. I have said in other reviews that a good cigar will improve the whiskey and that a good whiskey will improve the cigar. This stick was the perfect compliment to each glass I enjoyed with it. (Yes, there were several) I wish I could pass along a name and price but alas I cannot. Sometimes life throws us a mystery that is meant to be unsolved but not forgotten.Bigly excellent, Diogenes! Thank you! Maybe a Nicaraguan?
Local Cigar Roller in Weston, MO. Late breaking tip from our pal KCSteve
Not a smoker but you asked for some local cigar makers. Weston, MO is a small (formerly) river town near Kansas City. I say formerly because the river moved one year. They have various little festivals we like to go to and in one of the buildings that used to be a riverside warehouse there's a local cigar maker that *smells* wonderful - the Weson Tobacco Company - Weston Tobacco I'm betting you have a reader here in the KC area who *does* smoke who can give you a hands-on report on their wares.Thanks KCSteve! How about it all y'all? Anyone tried this roller? Do they deserve a place among the links below?
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com
Nicks Cigar World
Weson Tobacco Company New! A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid
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AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
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SPONGE!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at November 09, 2025 07:00 PM (v23vE)
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Bang Bang Bang
Posted by: Eromero at November 09, 2025 07:00 PM (LHPAg)
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first
Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2025 07:01 PM (RoO7G)
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KABOOM!!!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 07:02 PM (OF02a)
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Good evening gubthreaders and all the ships at sea!
Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2025 07:03 PM (RoO7G)
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The best cigars are hand rolled on the sun-warmed thighs of Cuban maidens.
I forget where I heard that. Ray Bradbury perhaps?
I forget where I heard that. Ray Bradbury perhaps?
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at November 09, 2025 07:04 PM (YYotJ)
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Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a special first-snowfall-in-Ohio greeting to our host Weasel.
I am not fully up to speed on the Sig Sauer controversy, but I note that they are now promoting the limited edition Turning Point USA version of their 1911s and P365. No, sir, not trying to change the subject in any way, not us.
I am not fully up to speed on the Sig Sauer controversy, but I note that they are now promoting the limited edition Turning Point USA version of their 1911s and P365. No, sir, not trying to change the subject in any way, not us.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at November 09, 2025 07:04 PM (v23vE)
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Hello, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at November 09, 2025 07:04 PM (BCwQW)
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Spawn shot a rimfire revolver for the first time... in a match. It did not go well time wise.
Posted by: lin-duh at November 09, 2025 07:05 PM (VCgbV)
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6 The best cigars are hand rolled on the sun-warmed thighs of Cuban maidens.
I forget where I heard that. Ray Bradbury perhaps?
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at November 09, 2025 07:04 PM (YYotJ)
Ernest Hemingway
I forget where I heard that. Ray Bradbury perhaps?
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at November 09, 2025 07:04 PM (YYotJ)
Ernest Hemingway
Posted by: Eromero at November 09, 2025 07:05 PM (LHPAg)
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Weasel, I wait for this thread a whole bunch. Every week.
Posted by: RI Red at November 09, 2025 07:05 PM (fRFTM)
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Posted by: RI Red at November 09, 2025 07:05 PM (fRFTM)
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You should get a hobby. Or a puppy!
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You should get a hobby. Or a puppy!
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 07:07 PM (cIOlQ)
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Yep, gun time.
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 07:07 PM (LjAsy)
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Howdy!
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at November 09, 2025 07:10 PM (sAmhv)
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Great movie link, Weasel. The Changeling is one of my favorite haunted house movies.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 09, 2025 07:10 PM (Wnv9h)
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Good evening everyone
Posted by: Skip at November 09, 2025 07:10 PM (+qU29)
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So I can keep my Sig P320 now???///
Posted by: lin-duh at November 09, 2025 07:10 PM (VCgbV)
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Range time 0800 in the morning, qualify for work. On Marine Corps Birthday. 36 degrees.
Posted by: Eromero at November 09, 2025 07:10 PM (LHPAg)
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Spawn shot a rimfire revolver for the first time... in a match. It did not go well time wise.
Posted by: lin-duh at November 09, 2025 07:05 PM (VCgbV)
Mastering double action trigger pulls (for speed) while maintaining accuracy with a revolver is one of the most challenging firearms tasks (for me, anyway) I know of. And each revolver has a slightly different feel to its trigger, which only adds to the challenge.
Posted by: lin-duh at November 09, 2025 07:05 PM (VCgbV)
Mastering double action trigger pulls (for speed) while maintaining accuracy with a revolver is one of the most challenging firearms tasks (for me, anyway) I know of. And each revolver has a slightly different feel to its trigger, which only adds to the challenge.
Posted by: Ed L at November 09, 2025 07:11 PM (BCwQW)
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And Ian reviewing the AK-Fiddy? The stream crossing we didn't know we needed.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 09, 2025 07:11 PM (Wnv9h)
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Weasel, yeah, I know, it’s sad.
And I have three cats. One of whom has cost us muchos dineros in the last week. Including a trip across Vermont yesterday.
But I did load a metric sh*t ton of 156 Bergers in 6.5 CM today. So my man card is intact.
And I have three cats. One of whom has cost us muchos dineros in the last week. Including a trip across Vermont yesterday.
But I did load a metric sh*t ton of 156 Bergers in 6.5 CM today. So my man card is intact.
Posted by: RI Red at November 09, 2025 07:11 PM (fRFTM)
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You should get a hobby. Or a puppy!
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 07:07 PM (cIOlQ)
Fully endorsing Weasel's latter suggestion!
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 07:07 PM (cIOlQ)
Fully endorsing Weasel's latter suggestion!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at November 09, 2025 07:12 PM (v23vE)
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Great movie link, Weasel. The Changeling is one of my favorite haunted house movies.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 09, 2025 07:10 PM (Wnv9h)
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Thanks. It's one of my faves. I would have included it last week but I'm a little retarded.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 09, 2025 07:10 PM (Wnv9h)
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Thanks. It's one of my faves. I would have included it last week but I'm a little retarded.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 07:13 PM (DJPFk)
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We talked about training for trauma first aid last week. Someone suggested a "Stop the Bleed" course. This is a free course offered a lot of different places.
sra blaster and I attended one this past week. We have certificates!
It's about 90 minutes and a limited curriculum. It focuses on, you guessed it, stopping the bleeding when someone has had some sort of injury that causes bleeding.
Highly recommended. And then you are going to want to have tourniquets and quikclot bandages handy.
sra blaster and I attended one this past week. We have certificates!
It's about 90 minutes and a limited curriculum. It focuses on, you guessed it, stopping the bleeding when someone has had some sort of injury that causes bleeding.
Highly recommended. And then you are going to want to have tourniquets and quikclot bandages handy.
Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2025 07:13 PM (RoO7G)
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Top30? Or so?
Good evening to everyone and thank you to Weasel our host.
Deer season opens this coming weekend, so hopefully there’ll be some shooting.
Good evening to everyone and thank you to Weasel our host.
Deer season opens this coming weekend, so hopefully there’ll be some shooting.
Posted by: Coelacanth at November 09, 2025 07:14 PM (7s0sL)
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A couple of weeks ago I mentioned the Turkish firm of TriStar was now making a clone of the Glock 19 9mm pistol, model name is "APOC", at a very reasonable price. I finally got to shoot mine. Ran out to the local gravel pit as the sun was going down. No time to put up a paper target and set up a rest, so I settled for blasting some soup cans with some factory "range and practice" ammo.
First impressions: This gun is one heck of a deal. The fiber optic sights made three blazing dots. The trigger is quite decent, and I won't be modifying it. The cans, which started out at 15 yards, kept rolling further and further away. Empty cases landed in a loose pile about four feet away at 3 o'clock. I put 100 rounds through it, with one malfunction on the fifth shot (slide didn't close all the way) and zero after that. The last ten rounds were some dubious factory JHP, and they fed and fired with no problem. Half the rounds were shot with a Magpul magazine, which worked with no problems.
If I spot another one of these locally, I'm going to grab it and add it to the stockpile.
First impressions: This gun is one heck of a deal. The fiber optic sights made three blazing dots. The trigger is quite decent, and I won't be modifying it. The cans, which started out at 15 yards, kept rolling further and further away. Empty cases landed in a loose pile about four feet away at 3 o'clock. I put 100 rounds through it, with one malfunction on the fifth shot (slide didn't close all the way) and zero after that. The last ten rounds were some dubious factory JHP, and they fed and fired with no problem. Half the rounds were shot with a Magpul magazine, which worked with no problems.
If I spot another one of these locally, I'm going to grab it and add it to the stockpile.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at November 09, 2025 07:15 PM (YYotJ)
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No range news. I did buy ammo. I have a .357 revolver and a .9mm carbine, so .9mm, .38 Special, and .357 ammo was purchased from Buds Gun Shop online. I do have a gun shop near by. Probably stop by this week and buy some more.
The recent elections have me a bit skittish. Marxists have taken over the statehouse (VA). I haven't supported financially 2nd ammendment orgs. before. Various reasons, mostly trust issues on my part. Any suggestions. I'm very skittish about the NRA. Have they gotten there shit together after the last guy, whatever his name was?
The recent elections have me a bit skittish. Marxists have taken over the statehouse (VA). I haven't supported financially 2nd ammendment orgs. before. Various reasons, mostly trust issues on my part. Any suggestions. I'm very skittish about the NRA. Have they gotten there shit together after the last guy, whatever his name was?
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at November 09, 2025 07:15 PM (sAmhv)
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Del,
The revolver has about an 8lb pull and it's long. Her pistol has a very light pull, maybe 2lbs. Plus the Revolver weighs probably twice what her pistol does. She also only shot it in one practice before the match. It was tiring for her since she shot 6 guns total in competition Friday.
The revolver has about an 8lb pull and it's long. Her pistol has a very light pull, maybe 2lbs. Plus the Revolver weighs probably twice what her pistol does. She also only shot it in one practice before the match. It was tiring for her since she shot 6 guns total in competition Friday.
Posted by: lin-duh at November 09, 2025 07:15 PM (VCgbV)
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 07:15 PM (DJPFk)
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Blaster, greeting to you and Senora!
I am such a fuddy duddy that I am giving IFAKs to all my loved ones for Christmas.
I am such a fuddy duddy that I am giving IFAKs to all my loved ones for Christmas.
Posted by: RI Red at November 09, 2025 07:16 PM (fRFTM)
Posted by: JM in Illinois at November 09, 2025 07:16 PM (ys9lh)
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EdL not Del...
Posted by: lin-duh at November 09, 2025 07:16 PM (VCgbV)
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Gubs! And cigars!
Great review Diogenes - even though it’s not actionable, as we don’t know what you smoked!
Burning a La Palina Natural on the porch after a good swim on a beautiful warm November day. Woody smoke, perfectly OK but not one to get by the 5-pack, for me.
And one area in which I am particularly deficient is pairing with spirits, as my smoking is 95% in mid-afternoons, so coffee is my regular accompaniment. Gotta work on that.
Some day I hope to work on this issue with rum, in Nicaragua or the DR. It’s important to have goals in life.
Great review Diogenes - even though it’s not actionable, as we don’t know what you smoked!
Burning a La Palina Natural on the porch after a good swim on a beautiful warm November day. Woody smoke, perfectly OK but not one to get by the 5-pack, for me.
And one area in which I am particularly deficient is pairing with spirits, as my smoking is 95% in mid-afternoons, so coffee is my regular accompaniment. Gotta work on that.
Some day I hope to work on this issue with rum, in Nicaragua or the DR. It’s important to have goals in life.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 07:17 PM (2qI2i)
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 07:17 PM (DJPFk)
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https://tinyurl.com/nhams9vt
In case you missed it. I forget if I posted this already or not. This has to do with the M18 situation.
In case you missed it. I forget if I posted this already or not. This has to do with the M18 situation.
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 09, 2025 07:17 PM (vwL3N)
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Everything youtube I tried playing requires a sign in
Posted by: JM in Illinois at November 09, 2025 07:18 PM (ys9lh)
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I watched Brandon design and build the AK-50 from the beginning. It's a very impressive engineering feat!!
Posted by: ck at November 09, 2025 07:18 PM (JKvyz)
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No range report.
Instead I am looking at the rifle I hope to procure early next year. I also need to look at getting scope rings and maybe a 30 MOA base to mount the scope on.
And in other news, I FINALLY received my new handgun license from the NYPD. I sent in the renewal request around the end of May and they only just got through the "investigation" process about 2 weeks ago. Received the new license in the mail on Wednesday.
Thankfully this will be the LAST time I will have to go through this as I should be living in a Free State when the current license expires.
Instead I am looking at the rifle I hope to procure early next year. I also need to look at getting scope rings and maybe a 30 MOA base to mount the scope on.
And in other news, I FINALLY received my new handgun license from the NYPD. I sent in the renewal request around the end of May and they only just got through the "investigation" process about 2 weeks ago. Received the new license in the mail on Wednesday.
Thankfully this will be the LAST time I will have to go through this as I should be living in a Free State when the current license expires.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 07:19 PM (OF02a)
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The recent elections have me a bit skittish. Marxists have taken over the statehouse (VA). I haven't supported financially 2nd ammendment orgs. before. Various reasons, mostly trust issues on my part. Any suggestions. I'm very skittish about the NRA. Have they gotten there shit together after the last guy, whatever his name was?
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at November 09, 2025 07:15 PM (sAmhv)
I'd join a local organization. I joined the TSRA. NRA affiliated but it is very much a local thing. VA I am sure has an equivalent.
(tsra.com)
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at November 09, 2025 07:15 PM (sAmhv)
I'd join a local organization. I joined the TSRA. NRA affiliated but it is very much a local thing. VA I am sure has an equivalent.
(tsra.com)
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 09, 2025 07:19 PM (vwL3N)
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Puddle, I think the Second Amendment Foundation used to be a solid outfit, focused on court action. Others may be able to confirm or modify this recommendation.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 07:20 PM (2qI2i)
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22 You should get a hobby. Or a puppy!
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 07:07 PM (cIOlQ)
Fully endorsing Weasel's latter suggestion!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at November 09, 2025 07:12 PM (v23vE)
Embrace the awesome power of 'and'....
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 07:07 PM (cIOlQ)
Fully endorsing Weasel's latter suggestion!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at November 09, 2025 07:12 PM (v23vE)
Embrace the awesome power of 'and'....
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 09, 2025 07:22 PM (Y4J7L)
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I'd join a local organization. I joined the TSRA. NRA affiliated but it is very much a local thing. VA I am sure has an equivalent.
(tsra.com)
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 09, 2025 07:19 PM (vwL3N)
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I'd suggest VCDL in Va, or GOA at the national level.
(tsra.com)
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 09, 2025 07:19 PM (vwL3N)
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I'd suggest VCDL in Va, or GOA at the national level.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 07:23 PM (DJPFk)
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I watched Brandon design and build the AK-50 from the beginning. It's a very impressive engineering feat!!
Posted by: ck at November 09, 2025 07:18 PM
It's all in the Sponge Bob tape.
Posted by: ck at November 09, 2025 07:18 PM
It's all in the Sponge Bob tape.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 09, 2025 07:23 PM (Wnv9h)
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24 We talked about training for trauma first aid last week. Someone suggested a "Stop the Bleed" course. This is a free course offered a lot of different places.
sra blaster and I attended one this past week. We have certificates!
It's about 90 minutes and a limited curriculum. It focuses on, you guessed it, stopping the bleeding when someone has had some sort of injury that causes bleeding.
Highly recommended. And then you are going to want to have tourniquets and quikclot bandages handy.
Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2025 07:13 PM (RoO7G)
May have been my suggestion. In any event, it's useful training for life, not just shooting, in case you encounter that awful situation and need to save a life.
Did they also instruct on the compression (Israeli) bandages? Darned helpful little things, those are.
sra blaster and I attended one this past week. We have certificates!
It's about 90 minutes and a limited curriculum. It focuses on, you guessed it, stopping the bleeding when someone has had some sort of injury that causes bleeding.
Highly recommended. And then you are going to want to have tourniquets and quikclot bandages handy.
Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2025 07:13 PM (RoO7G)
May have been my suggestion. In any event, it's useful training for life, not just shooting, in case you encounter that awful situation and need to save a life.
Did they also instruct on the compression (Israeli) bandages? Darned helpful little things, those are.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at November 09, 2025 07:23 PM (v23vE)
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It's also worth remembering that it was the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association that was front and center with the Bruen decision - and won. Your state level orgs make a difference - the state can have more effect on you that the feds.
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 09, 2025 07:24 PM (vwL3N)
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KCSteve,
Nice tip on the Weson Tobacco. Nice web site.
Nice tip on the Weson Tobacco. Nice web site.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 09, 2025 07:24 PM (2WIwB)
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Range report
Took out the PPQ for a spin.
Took about two pulls of the trigger to get back in the zone. What a great pistol! Focused on trigger pull and consistency in rapid shots. Need work still.
Finished with Ruger Mark IV at 15 yards. So easy.
Took out the PPQ for a spin.
Took about two pulls of the trigger to get back in the zone. What a great pistol! Focused on trigger pull and consistency in rapid shots. Need work still.
Finished with Ruger Mark IV at 15 yards. So easy.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 09, 2025 07:24 PM (mT+6a)
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but I'm a little retarded.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 07:13 PM
One meaning of retarded is 'slowed down'. I hardly think that someone who goes from start prep to eating in 2 minutes or less can be considered slowed down.
On a different note, with cooler weather approaching, we can expect the return of CozyCave sitreps, right?
Right?
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 07:13 PM
One meaning of retarded is 'slowed down'. I hardly think that someone who goes from start prep to eating in 2 minutes or less can be considered slowed down.
On a different note, with cooler weather approaching, we can expect the return of CozyCave sitreps, right?
Right?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 09, 2025 07:24 PM (0sNs1)
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Have finally resolved the "what pistol should go along with the .357/.38 lever gun" question.
Ordered a Pietta Copper Canyon which is a SAA and it comes with a 9mm cylinder, too. I like things that provide flexibility.
sra blaster likes the case hardened finish. I would love to have grips like the Dead Man's Hand that the Heritage Rough Rider has but the HRR is scaled down a bit. There is a company that makes Dead Man's Hand grips but its just white with the hand of cards engraved.
Ordered a Pietta Copper Canyon which is a SAA and it comes with a 9mm cylinder, too. I like things that provide flexibility.
sra blaster likes the case hardened finish. I would love to have grips like the Dead Man's Hand that the Heritage Rough Rider has but the HRR is scaled down a bit. There is a company that makes Dead Man's Hand grips but its just white with the hand of cards engraved.
Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2025 07:24 PM (RoO7G)
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Posted by: lin-duh at November 09, 2025 07:15 PM (VCgbV)
If Spawn can practice w/ that revolver before competing, and the revolver has a long enough barrel (4-6"), there should be enough real estate to place a coin towards the end of the barrel before trying to pull the trigger. The goal is to complete a double action trigger pull w/o knocking the coin off the barrel. If the old coin trick doesn't work, watch Spawn's front sights as she pulls the trigger (single or double
If Spawn can practice w/ that revolver before competing, and the revolver has a long enough barrel (4-6"), there should be enough real estate to place a coin towards the end of the barrel before trying to pull the trigger. The goal is to complete a double action trigger pull w/o knocking the coin off the barrel. If the old coin trick doesn't work, watch Spawn's front sights as she pulls the trigger (single or double
Posted by: Ed L at November 09, 2025 07:25 PM (BCwQW)
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I'd suggest VCDL in Va, or GOA at the national level.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 07:23 PM (DJPFk)
vcdl.org for those interested.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 07:23 PM (DJPFk)
vcdl.org for those interested.
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 09, 2025 07:25 PM (vwL3N)
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blaster, I second your recommendation on Stop the Bleed training. Going to see if my range will subsidize such training for all RSOs willing to do it.
Outfit that did my course offers tactical trauma first aid as a follow-on, hope to take it in the coming year.
Building my kit now.
Outfit that did my course offers tactical trauma first aid as a follow-on, hope to take it in the coming year.
Building my kit now.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 07:25 PM (2qI2i)
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Evening all
Read today that we all might be getting a $2000 tariff bonus and my first thought was New Gun!
Read today that we all might be getting a $2000 tariff bonus and my first thought was New Gun!
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at November 09, 2025 07:25 PM (t/2Uw)
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Shani, Mrs. Red and I have had pairs of Siamese forever. DILIT and Jr. have a Rag Doll; all three of them get along just fine.
Zach is still over at the ER in Vermont. His sister Chloe misses him and has been hanging out with me all day.
Thor, the Rag Doll, hides under the bed when our neighbor starts shooting.
Zach is still over at the ER in Vermont. His sister Chloe misses him and has been hanging out with me all day.
Thor, the Rag Doll, hides under the bed when our neighbor starts shooting.
Posted by: RI Red at November 09, 2025 07:25 PM (fRFTM)
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I want to know...
How much money does Hickock45 spend on generic sodas?
How much money does Hickock45 spend on generic sodas?
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 07:26 PM (LjAsy)
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If the old coin trick doesn't work, watch Spawn's front sights as she pulls the trigger (single or double action). The front sights shouldn't move at all while the trigger gets pulled. If the front sights move, the shot will "wander" off target.
Posted by: Ed L at November 09, 2025 07:26 PM (BCwQW)
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I always wanted to get hold of an IFAK just in case, and not just for gunshots. I bet they would come in handy for most contingencies.
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 09, 2025 07:26 PM (vwL3N)
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On a different note, with cooler weather approaching, we can expect the return of CozyCave sitreps, right?
Right?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 09, 2025 07:24 PM (0sNs1)
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Had some sort of airspace violation on the couch a little while ago. FSJ growled at Gertie which almost never happens!
Right?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 09, 2025 07:24 PM (0sNs1)
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Had some sort of airspace violation on the couch a little while ago. FSJ growled at Gertie which almost never happens!
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 07:26 PM (DJPFk)
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It's about 90 minutes and a limited curriculum. It focuses on, you guessed it, stopping the bleeding when someone has had some sort of injury that causes bleeding.
Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2025 07:13 PM (RoO7G)
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Last week my grandson fell off the Total Gym (which is supposed to stay away from) and cut his head on a nearby bookcase. I don't know how he did it, but I was called urgently to the kitchen and once I figured out what had happen, improvised a bandage and held it in place until we could strap and ice pack to his noggin, which kept up the pressure and limited the swelling. I then handed him off and obtained the materials for a proper dressing.
At that point my wife and daughter looked at me and said "So what do we do? Does he need stitches?"
I shrugged. "No idea. All the military taught me to do was stop the bleeding. Taking the bandage off was someone else's job."
Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2025 07:13 PM (RoO7G)
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Last week my grandson fell off the Total Gym (which is supposed to stay away from) and cut his head on a nearby bookcase. I don't know how he did it, but I was called urgently to the kitchen and once I figured out what had happen, improvised a bandage and held it in place until we could strap and ice pack to his noggin, which kept up the pressure and limited the swelling. I then handed him off and obtained the materials for a proper dressing.
At that point my wife and daughter looked at me and said "So what do we do? Does he need stitches?"
I shrugged. "No idea. All the military taught me to do was stop the bleeding. Taking the bandage off was someone else's job."
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 09, 2025 07:27 PM (ZOv7s)
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And in other news, I FINALLY received my new handgun license from the NYPD. I sent in the renewal request around the end of May and they only just got through the "investigation" process about 2 weeks ago. Received the new license in the mail on Wednesday.
Thankfully this will be the LAST time I will have to go through this as I should be living in a Free State when the current license expires.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 07:19 PM (OF02a)
Congrats, Scoob, and howdy! Thankful that the NYPD got 'er done for you before the next mayoral inauguration.
Thankfully this will be the LAST time I will have to go through this as I should be living in a Free State when the current license expires.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 07:19 PM (OF02a)
Congrats, Scoob, and howdy! Thankful that the NYPD got 'er done for you before the next mayoral inauguration.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at November 09, 2025 07:28 PM (v23vE)
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Oh, and yay gun thread!
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 09, 2025 07:28 PM (ZOv7s)
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I want to know...
How much money does Hickock45 spend on generic sodas?
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 07:26 PM (LjAsy)
I think it's around a $1.50 to $2 apiece for the 2 liter bottles.
How much money does Hickock45 spend on generic sodas?
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 07:26 PM (LjAsy)
I think it's around a $1.50 to $2 apiece for the 2 liter bottles.
Posted by: Ed L at November 09, 2025 07:28 PM (BCwQW)
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Schnorfel and Cow Demon exactly right. All this first aid training is for life skillz, period. Never know when it will make a difference.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 07:29 PM (2qI2i)
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Remember, remember, the Ninth of November.
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 09, 2025 07:31 PM (vwL3N)
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Last week my grandson fell off the Total Gym (which is supposed to stay away from) and cut his head on a nearby bookcase. I don't know how he did it, but I was called urgently to the kitchen and once I figured out what had happen, improvised a bandage and held it in place until we could strap and ice pack to his noggin, which kept up the pressure and limited the swelling. I then handed him off and obtained the materials for a proper dressing.
At that point my wife and daughter looked at me and said "So what do we do? Does he need stitches?"
I shrugged. "No idea. All the military taught me to do was stop the bleeding. Taking the bandage off was someone else's job."
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 09, 2025 07:27 PM
Dude! Dooooooood. You're not new here. Why did you not slap hot iron to it???
At that point my wife and daughter looked at me and said "So what do we do? Does he need stitches?"
I shrugged. "No idea. All the military taught me to do was stop the bleeding. Taking the bandage off was someone else's job."
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 09, 2025 07:27 PM
Dude! Dooooooood. You're not new here. Why did you not slap hot iron to it???
Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 09, 2025 07:31 PM (0sNs1)
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Thankfully this will be the LAST time I will have to go through this as I should be living in a Free State when the current license expires.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 07:19 PM
We're working on getting the RMBS Mom her permit. Fortunately, the over 70 crowd never has to renew, so she'll only have to do this once.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 07:19 PM
We're working on getting the RMBS Mom her permit. Fortunately, the over 70 crowd never has to renew, so she'll only have to do this once.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 09, 2025 07:32 PM (Wnv9h)
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Whoa, was on the Ken Farrell website looking at the scope rings and bases.
Looks like prices went up a tad.
Oh well, sometimes you have to pay for quality.
And I like how they recommend to NOT use Loctite on their products.
Looks like prices went up a tad.
Oh well, sometimes you have to pay for quality.
And I like how they recommend to NOT use Loctite on their products.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 07:32 PM (OF02a)
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Thanks for the gun thread, Weasel.
Very nice cigar review, Diogenes. That looks like an excellent cigar, too bad it's an unknown.
Just to reinforce the 2A, 87 years ago was Kristallnacht. Keep your powder dry and your aim sharp. This applies to all of us, not just to our Jewish friends who seem to be the first target, always.
Very nice cigar review, Diogenes. That looks like an excellent cigar, too bad it's an unknown.
Just to reinforce the 2A, 87 years ago was Kristallnacht. Keep your powder dry and your aim sharp. This applies to all of us, not just to our Jewish friends who seem to be the first target, always.
Posted by: Winston AKA Pops at November 09, 2025 07:32 PM (M82vp)
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As for that Minuteman... why no kaboom at the end? There really should have been an earth-shattering kaboom at the end.
Also, what I really want to see is a REAL one launched, with some of Musk's cameras on it. Maybe even a simultaneous launch of a chase Falcon, to watch it the whole way. THAT would be very cool to an old SAC guy.
Also, what I really want to see is a REAL one launched, with some of Musk's cameras on it. Maybe even a simultaneous launch of a chase Falcon, to watch it the whole way. THAT would be very cool to an old SAC guy.
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 07:33 PM (LjAsy)
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30 Blaster, greeting to you and Senora!
I am such a fuddy duddy that I am giving IFAKs to all my loved ones for Christmas.
Posted by: RI Red at November 09, 2025 07:16 PM (fRFTM)
Hola Red! sra blaster still thankful for your spotting!
I was checking out trauma kits in relation to the course and the American College of Surgeons (one of the sponsors of the Stop the Bleed course) store has actually good prices in comparison with say Amazon and I feel more confident in the sourcing of the components - I have heard (on the internet!) that CAT tourniquets acquired from there may be counterfeit.
http://alturl.com/447kp
I am such a fuddy duddy that I am giving IFAKs to all my loved ones for Christmas.
Posted by: RI Red at November 09, 2025 07:16 PM (fRFTM)
Hola Red! sra blaster still thankful for your spotting!
I was checking out trauma kits in relation to the course and the American College of Surgeons (one of the sponsors of the Stop the Bleed course) store has actually good prices in comparison with say Amazon and I feel more confident in the sourcing of the components - I have heard (on the internet!) that CAT tourniquets acquired from there may be counterfeit.
http://alturl.com/447kp
Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2025 07:33 PM (RoO7G)
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Scoobs, the Long Range is all updated! Just get your sorry a** up here.
Posted by: RI Red at November 09, 2025 07:34 PM (fRFTM)
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Dude! Dooooooood. You're not new here. Why did you not slap hot iron to it???
Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 09, 2025 07:31 PM (0sNs1)
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For one thing, I didn't have any handy, but had the bleeding persisted, that was the plan. Also rubbing dirt in it.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 09, 2025 07:31 PM (0sNs1)
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For one thing, I didn't have any handy, but had the bleeding persisted, that was the plan. Also rubbing dirt in it.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 09, 2025 07:34 PM (ZOv7s)
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Remember, remember, the Ninth of November.
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 09, 2025 07:31 PM
Gunpowder, shenanigans, and...well...someone's probably plotting something.
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 09, 2025 07:31 PM
Gunpowder, shenanigans, and...well...someone's probably plotting something.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 09, 2025 07:34 PM (Wnv9h)
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60 Thankful that the NYPD got 'er done for you before the next mayoral inauguration.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at November 09, 2025 07:28 PM
We will not go there. :-) Want to keep a happy thread.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at November 09, 2025 07:28 PM
We will not go there. :-) Want to keep a happy thread.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 07:34 PM (OF02a)
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Scoobs, the Long Range is all updated! Just get your sorry a** up here.
Posted by: RI Red at November 09, 2025 07:34 PM
I'm hoping to hit the range Tuesday and zero the 6.5 after I get the beer bottled. After that, I'm game to do a day up in your AO.
Posted by: RI Red at November 09, 2025 07:34 PM
I'm hoping to hit the range Tuesday and zero the 6.5 after I get the beer bottled. After that, I'm game to do a day up in your AO.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 09, 2025 07:36 PM (Wnv9h)
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Just to reinforce the 2A, 87 years ago was Kristallnacht. Keep your powder dry and your aim sharp. This applies to all of us, not just to our Jewish friends who seem to be the first target, always.
Posted by: Winston AKA Pops at November 09, 2025 07:32 PM (M82vp)
Well, that is sobering and accurate.
When I say "Remember, remember the Ninth of November", my focus is on 36 years ago. When I came home from school and turned on the TV and heard on CNN "The East German government has opened the sector borders with West Berlin". To which I said in the empty living room, "They can't do that! Because if they open the sector borders with West Berlin, what's the point of having-"
Posted by: Winston AKA Pops at November 09, 2025 07:32 PM (M82vp)
Well, that is sobering and accurate.
When I say "Remember, remember the Ninth of November", my focus is on 36 years ago. When I came home from school and turned on the TV and heard on CNN "The East German government has opened the sector borders with West Berlin". To which I said in the empty living room, "They can't do that! Because if they open the sector borders with West Berlin, what's the point of having-"
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 09, 2025 07:36 PM (vwL3N)
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Good evening Horde. Thanks Weasel!
Why yes, we have been to the range. Started out very strong. Somehow, all the available mojo vanished to places unknown. Tried to diagnose and remedy, but failed miserably.
Decided to deploy the etch-a-sketch method of starting over with a blank slate. Re-built all the fundamental pieces and did dry firing with very positive results. Nice to be able to regroup and recover.
In a personal post-mortem, my guess is isolating the trigger motion while keeping the rest of the grip stationary. But that's a guess. We'll see next time.
Why yes, we have been to the range. Started out very strong. Somehow, all the available mojo vanished to places unknown. Tried to diagnose and remedy, but failed miserably.
Decided to deploy the etch-a-sketch method of starting over with a blank slate. Re-built all the fundamental pieces and did dry firing with very positive results. Nice to be able to regroup and recover.
In a personal post-mortem, my guess is isolating the trigger motion while keeping the rest of the grip stationary. But that's a guess. We'll see next time.
Posted by: TRex - fundamental dino at November 09, 2025 07:37 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Range time this week consisted of taking a Colt AR-15A2 HBAR (one of the early ones) to the range for zeroing. Using only iron sights, I zeroed on an Army 25 yard zero target in 20 rounds using five-shot shot groups. The old HBAR produced pretty tight shot groups, so its definitely capable of decent accuracy.
Posted by: Ed L at November 09, 2025 07:37 PM (BCwQW)
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Yes, I went to the range this week and brought an Iver Johnson Sidewinder (vintage .22LR revolver) and an HK P2000 in .40.
The Sidewinder was used but was very minty, and I've decided that I need to make a dedicated effort to use it more. It's still a little rough on fit and finish, and I haven't properly broken it in.
The HK was of course terrific, but the weather was turning and even with gloves my fingers were getting numb. Snow on the ground today. Still a worthwhile endeavor.
The Sidewinder was used but was very minty, and I've decided that I need to make a dedicated effort to use it more. It's still a little rough on fit and finish, and I haven't properly broken it in.
The HK was of course terrific, but the weather was turning and even with gloves my fingers were getting numb. Snow on the ground today. Still a worthwhile endeavor.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 09, 2025 07:37 PM (ZOv7s)
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71 Scoobs, the Long Range is all updated! Just get your sorry a** up here.
Posted by: RI Red at November 09, 2025 07:34 PM
I will!!! I will!!!
Sometime after the winter hibernation. LOL
Believe me I am looking forward to heading up there again. Not just for the shooting but for the tasty meals that can had!!
Oh, and the company too. :-)
Posted by: RI Red at November 09, 2025 07:34 PM
I will!!! I will!!!
Sometime after the winter hibernation. LOL
Believe me I am looking forward to heading up there again. Not just for the shooting but for the tasty meals that can had!!
Oh, and the company too. :-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 07:37 PM (OF02a)
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We will not go there. :-) Want to keep a happy thread.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 07:34 PM (OF02a)
Yeah, I tried to keep it apolitical in alignment with our host's preferences...
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 07:34 PM (OF02a)
Yeah, I tried to keep it apolitical in alignment with our host's preferences...
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at November 09, 2025 07:38 PM (v23vE)
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The best cigars are hand rolled on the sun-warmed thighs of Cuban maidens.
I forget where I heard that. Ray Bradbury perhaps?
From the script of “Something Wicked This Way Comes” spoken by one of the unfortunate townspeople who fall under the sway of the Dark Carnival:
“One day, I'm gonna win
that $100,000 number.
And it won't be ten-cent cigars
for us then, Mr. Halloway.
lt'll be the big imported Havana Specials.
rolled on the plump, smooth thighs
of Cuban ladies.”
I forget where I heard that. Ray Bradbury perhaps?
From the script of “Something Wicked This Way Comes” spoken by one of the unfortunate townspeople who fall under the sway of the Dark Carnival:
“One day, I'm gonna win
that $100,000 number.
And it won't be ten-cent cigars
for us then, Mr. Halloway.
lt'll be the big imported Havana Specials.
rolled on the plump, smooth thighs
of Cuban ladies.”
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at November 09, 2025 07:38 PM (jTgrB)
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Will be involved in disposing of a gun and ammo collection of moderate size, in a place far far away.
Will probably take a few of the handguns at a good price, probably none of the long guns (most have very large holes in the end, bear-swatters and the like mostly useful in AK, MT, or ID).
Expect to sell most of it to local (there) gun stores.
One interesting item will be 9K rounds of West German 7.62X51 NATO surplus, perfect condition, still in cases of 200-round battle packs.
Will probably take a few of the handguns at a good price, probably none of the long guns (most have very large holes in the end, bear-swatters and the like mostly useful in AK, MT, or ID).
Expect to sell most of it to local (there) gun stores.
One interesting item will be 9K rounds of West German 7.62X51 NATO surplus, perfect condition, still in cases of 200-round battle packs.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 07:38 PM (2qI2i)
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Blaster, we have IFAKs like those at each of our ranges. We have actual mailboxes that house them, along with instructions.
Hope all is good!
Hope all is good!
Posted by: RI Red at November 09, 2025 07:39 PM (fRFTM)
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67 Whoa, was on the Ken Farrell website looking at the scope rings and bases.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 07:32 PM
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Get one with extra padding. For reasons.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 07:32 PM
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Get one with extra padding. For reasons.
Posted by: TRex - married to the medic at November 09, 2025 07:39 PM (IQ6Gq)
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64 Remember, remember, the Ninth of November.
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 09, 2025 07:31 PM (vwL3N)
I'm probably going to be embarrassed but.....what am I remembering? Armistice Day? Arbor Day? Guy Fawkes? Boxing Day? Diwali? Yom Kippur? Baden-Powell's birthday?
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 09, 2025 07:31 PM (vwL3N)
I'm probably going to be embarrassed but.....what am I remembering? Armistice Day? Arbor Day? Guy Fawkes? Boxing Day? Diwali? Yom Kippur? Baden-Powell's birthday?
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 09, 2025 07:39 PM (Y4J7L)
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64 Remember, remember, the Ninth of November.
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 09, 2025 07:31 PM (vwL3N)
I'm probably going to be embarrassed but.....what am I remembering? Armistice Day? Arbor Day? Guy Fawkes? Boxing Day? Diwali? Yom Kippur? Baden-Powell's birthday?
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 09, 2025 07:31 PM (vwL3N)
I'm probably going to be embarrassed but.....what am I remembering? Armistice Day? Arbor Day? Guy Fawkes? Boxing Day? Diwali? Yom Kippur? Baden-Powell's birthday?
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 09, 2025 07:39 PM (Y4J7L)
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64 Remember, remember, the Ninth of November.
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 09, 2025 07:31 PM (vwL3N)
I'm probably going to be embarrassed but.....what am I remembering? Armistice Day? Arbor Day? Guy Fawkes? Boxing Day? Diwali? Yom Kippur? Baden-Powell's birthday?
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 09, 2025 07:31 PM (vwL3N)
I'm probably going to be embarrassed but.....what am I remembering? Armistice Day? Arbor Day? Guy Fawkes? Boxing Day? Diwali? Yom Kippur? Baden-Powell's birthday?
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 09, 2025 07:40 PM (Y4J7L)
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Decided to deploy the etch-a-sketch method of starting over with a blank slate. Re-built all the fundamental pieces and did dry firing with very positive results. Nice to be able to regroup and recover.
In a personal post-mortem, my guess is isolating the trigger motion while keeping the rest of the grip stationary. But that's a guess. We'll see next time.
Posted by: TRex - fundamental dino at November 09, 2025 07:37 PM (IQ6Gq)
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This is KEY. When everything goes to shit, and sooner or later it will, STOP what you're doing and reevaluate the fundamentals. Nicely done.
Decided to deploy the etch-a-sketch method of starting over with a blank slate. Re-built all the fundamental pieces and did dry firing with very positive results. Nice to be able to regroup and recover.
In a personal post-mortem, my guess is isolating the trigger motion while keeping the rest of the grip stationary. But that's a guess. We'll see next time.
Posted by: TRex - fundamental dino at November 09, 2025 07:37 PM (IQ6Gq)
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This is KEY. When everything goes to shit, and sooner or later it will, STOP what you're doing and reevaluate the fundamentals. Nicely done.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 07:40 PM (DJPFk)
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We will not go there. :-) Want to keep a happy thread.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude
***********
Amen x1000...
Range report: back at it, and satisfied with the results this week. Not perfect, but enough to stop an unwanted in his/her tracks. Time to up the practice sessions.
Other: after reading an article about spicy times, I've decided to proceed and get accredited as a paramedic. Useful for range and other situations....
Posted by: Scuba_Dude
***********
Amen x1000...
Range report: back at it, and satisfied with the results this week. Not perfect, but enough to stop an unwanted in his/her tracks. Time to up the practice sessions.
Other: after reading an article about spicy times, I've decided to proceed and get accredited as a paramedic. Useful for range and other situations....
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at November 09, 2025 07:40 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Oops - sorry for the triple post. It wasn't intentional....
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 09, 2025 07:41 PM (Y4J7L)
92
Also this week, a long-awaited package arrived at my doorstep from my favorite government organization, the CMP.
It was an M1917 rifle and it is gorgeous. Built in May 1918, subsequently Parkerized, it's great that this ancient relic has finally gotten discharged from its service obligation.
I immediately took it on my canoe trip, and...
It was an M1917 rifle and it is gorgeous. Built in May 1918, subsequently Parkerized, it's great that this ancient relic has finally gotten discharged from its service obligation.
I immediately took it on my canoe trip, and...
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 09, 2025 07:42 PM (ZOv7s)
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Thanks for the suggestions about 2nd amendment orgs. I'm leaning towards VCDL. A state level group is what I was looking for.
Thanks again.
Thanks again.
Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at November 09, 2025 07:43 PM (sAmhv)
94
I had previously asked for advice for a training .22 rifle for new grandson - and got lots of good advice.
Pulled the trigger on the Savage Arms - Youth Rascal.
It was $10 off (down to $139.99) and Savage had a $30 rebate on a few of their .22 entry-level rifles.
I got him a bolt-action Savage rifle for $110 that has an accu-trigger!
I haven't shot it yet, but figured I should at least steal it from the store. Bolt action is nice, and the trigger is very nice. Has a peep sight and is tapped for a scope.
I had never contemplated the "bright-colored" rifle thing for kid before, but decided to go with the blue rifle. That way if he ever picks up anybody else's rifle on the range, then we SHOULD notice immediately.
Any shooting/operating advice from any Moron with experience on that little gun would be appreciated.
Pulled the trigger on the Savage Arms - Youth Rascal.
It was $10 off (down to $139.99) and Savage had a $30 rebate on a few of their .22 entry-level rifles.
I got him a bolt-action Savage rifle for $110 that has an accu-trigger!
I haven't shot it yet, but figured I should at least steal it from the store. Bolt action is nice, and the trigger is very nice. Has a peep sight and is tapped for a scope.
I had never contemplated the "bright-colored" rifle thing for kid before, but decided to go with the blue rifle. That way if he ever picks up anybody else's rifle on the range, then we SHOULD notice immediately.
Any shooting/operating advice from any Moron with experience on that little gun would be appreciated.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 09, 2025 07:43 PM (HlyYF)
95
I believe post 68 answers my questions....
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 09, 2025 07:43 PM (Y4J7L)
96
Also, what I really want to see is a REAL one launched, with some of Musk's cameras on it. Maybe even a simultaneous launch of a chase Falcon, to watch it the whole way. THAT would be very cool to an old SAC guy.
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 07:33 PM (LjAsy)
Chatted once with a guy who was SAC launch officer. He said launching a minuteman scared the crap out of him.
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 07:33 PM (LjAsy)
Chatted once with a guy who was SAC launch officer. He said launching a minuteman scared the crap out of him.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 09, 2025 07:44 PM (2WIwB)
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85 Get one with extra padding. For reasons.
Posted by: TRex - married to the medic at November 09, 2025 07:39 PM
Ummmmmm ????????
https://tinyurl.com/4kt5bn9f
Posted by: TRex - married to the medic at November 09, 2025 07:39 PM
Ummmmmm ????????
https://tinyurl.com/4kt5bn9f
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 07:44 PM (OF02a)
98
One interesting item will be 9K rounds of West German 7.62X51 NATO surplus, perfect condition, still in cases of 200-round battle packs.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 07:38 PM (2qI2i)
I understand that ammo is difficult to unload if its provenance is unknown. Because safety enters the equation, some businesses won't touch the stuff if it didn't come directly from the factory. Military surplus still in its original packaging (cases, tins, etc.) might do better because the packaging can hold off some environmental storage problems (humidity, heat, etc.).
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 07:38 PM (2qI2i)
I understand that ammo is difficult to unload if its provenance is unknown. Because safety enters the equation, some businesses won't touch the stuff if it didn't come directly from the factory. Military surplus still in its original packaging (cases, tins, etc.) might do better because the packaging can hold off some environmental storage problems (humidity, heat, etc.).
Posted by: Ed L at November 09, 2025 07:45 PM (BCwQW)
99
Whoa, was on the Ken Farrell website looking at the scope rings and bases.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 07:32 PM
Per Weasel Wisdom, I have Farrell rings and bases on my rifles. Good stuff, and the staff are very helpful if you have any questions.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 07:32 PM
Per Weasel Wisdom, I have Farrell rings and bases on my rifles. Good stuff, and the staff are very helpful if you have any questions.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 09, 2025 07:45 PM (Wnv9h)
100
I'm probably going to be embarrassed but.....what am I remembering? Armistice Day? Arbor Day? Guy Fawkes? Boxing Day? Diwali? Yom Kippur? Baden-Powell's birthday?
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 09, 2025 07:39 PM (Y4J7L)
On the day the Wall came down
They threw their locks unto the ground
And with glasses high we raised a cry
For freedom had arrived
And on the day the Wall came down
The ship of fools had finally run aground
Promises lit up the night
Like paper doves in flight...
- Floyd, Pink, "A Great Day For Freedom"
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 09, 2025 07:39 PM (Y4J7L)
On the day the Wall came down
They threw their locks unto the ground
And with glasses high we raised a cry
For freedom had arrived
And on the day the Wall came down
The ship of fools had finally run aground
Promises lit up the night
Like paper doves in flight...
- Floyd, Pink, "A Great Day For Freedom"
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 09, 2025 07:45 PM (vwL3N)
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Guy Fawkes Day is the Fifth of November.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at November 09, 2025 07:45 PM (jTgrB)
102
RMBS, upper range is open all year. Of course, only to Mark 1 Leather Personnel Carriers after the snow piles up.
Going this week to shoot the Berger 156s. Before the snow piles up.
Going this week to shoot the Berger 156s. Before the snow piles up.
Posted by: RI Red at November 09, 2025 07:46 PM (fRFTM)
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Chatted once with a guy who was SAC launch officer. He said launching a minuteman scared the crap out of him.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 09, 2025 07:44 PM (2WIwB)
I'm sure that would and could be felt in the ground at the control center.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 09, 2025 07:44 PM (2WIwB)
I'm sure that would and could be felt in the ground at the control center.
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 09, 2025 07:46 PM (vwL3N)
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90 Useful for range and other situations....
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at November 09, 2025 07:40 PM
I really should look at doing some first aid classes. Have not done anything like them since I used to scuba dive.
Once the work hours come down from 11 a day I will see what is offered around here.
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at November 09, 2025 07:40 PM
I really should look at doing some first aid classes. Have not done anything like them since I used to scuba dive.
Once the work hours come down from 11 a day I will see what is offered around here.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 07:47 PM (OF02a)
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OK, before I get to the comments, here's a question...
Inventorying your firearms - do you, and how do you?
There are some apps for your phone that will let you inventory your firearms and your ammo. At least one advertises itself as keeping *everything* on your phone (no servers anywhere). Another lets you download (or upload) the info through various online services (DropBox, etc.). One lets you keep a wishlist. It also can track when you last cleaned it, how many rounds through it, etc.
I had a spreadsheet of my weapons and ammo - just basic information, but it was lost on a hard drive that went kaput. Now it's in a document.
Thoughts?
Inventorying your firearms - do you, and how do you?
There are some apps for your phone that will let you inventory your firearms and your ammo. At least one advertises itself as keeping *everything* on your phone (no servers anywhere). Another lets you download (or upload) the info through various online services (DropBox, etc.). One lets you keep a wishlist. It also can track when you last cleaned it, how many rounds through it, etc.
I had a spreadsheet of my weapons and ammo - just basic information, but it was lost on a hard drive that went kaput. Now it's in a document.
Thoughts?
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 07:47 PM (LjAsy)
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92 I immediately took it on my canoe trip, and...
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 09, 2025 07:42 PM
Darn canoes.
Hope you had some fun with it before the tragedy.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 09, 2025 07:42 PM
Darn canoes.
Hope you had some fun with it before the tragedy.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 07:48 PM (OF02a)
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EdL this stuff is still in its plastic battle packs, in wooden crates, stored in good condition. Hoping/expecting a store will take it, of course at a steep discount.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 07:48 PM (2qI2i)
108
101 Guy Fawkes Day is the Fifth of November.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at November 09, 2025 07:45 PM (jTgrB)
Dang! Missed it again this year!
I'll bet Halloween is past too.....
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at November 09, 2025 07:45 PM (jTgrB)
Dang! Missed it again this year!
I'll bet Halloween is past too.....
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 09, 2025 07:49 PM (Y4J7L)
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had a spreadsheet of my weapons and ammo - just basic information, but it was lost on a hard drive that went kaput. Now it's in a document.
Thoughts?
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 07:47 PM (LjAsy)
GWB, I have a piece of paper. It is not online.
Thoughts?
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 07:47 PM (LjAsy)
GWB, I have a piece of paper. It is not online.
Posted by: RI Red at November 09, 2025 07:49 PM (fRFTM)
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I had a spreadsheet of my weapons and ammo - just basic information, but it was lost on a hard drive that went kaput. Now it's in a document.
Thoughts?
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 07:47 PM (LjAsy)
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A spreadsheet that is "backed up" when I send it to my insurance agent.
Who is annoyed at the constant payouts. "Another canoe accident? What kind of fools do you take us for?"
"First rate ones!"
Thoughts?
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 07:47 PM (LjAsy)
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A spreadsheet that is "backed up" when I send it to my insurance agent.
Who is annoyed at the constant payouts. "Another canoe accident? What kind of fools do you take us for?"
"First rate ones!"
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 09, 2025 07:51 PM (ZOv7s)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at November 09, 2025 07:51 PM (FtvNE)
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OT but seems like a pretty big deal.
An end to the shutdown is in sight. A senior Dem Senator tells me there will be more than enough Democrats to vote in favor of re-opening the government tonight. They’ll get a promise of a vote on health care — but nothing more. Most of the Democratic leadership will likely vote against it.
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SANDERS TELLS DEMOCRATIC SENATORS TO OPPOSE SHUTDOWN DEAL
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Keith Olbermann@KeithOlbermann
Dear Democratic Senators: if you vote for this selling outķ of the ACA it will be the end of your careers. Depend upon it. You are there to defend this country against Trump and the fascists, not collude with them. If you become Quislings, you will forever REMAIN Quislings
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New - In major breakthrough, key Senate Ds signaling a willingness to vote to reopen government, per sources. Assuming they get provisions to reinstate fired federal workers. Emerging deal would not include extension of ACA subsidies but would guarantee a vote in Senate on issue
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An end to the shutdown is in sight. A senior Dem Senator tells me there will be more than enough Democrats to vote in favor of re-opening the government tonight. They’ll get a promise of a vote on health care — but nothing more. Most of the Democratic leadership will likely vote against it.
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SANDERS TELLS DEMOCRATIC SENATORS TO OPPOSE SHUTDOWN DEAL
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Keith Olbermann@KeithOlbermann
Dear Democratic Senators: if you vote for this selling outķ of the ACA it will be the end of your careers. Depend upon it. You are there to defend this country against Trump and the fascists, not collude with them. If you become Quislings, you will forever REMAIN Quislings
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New - In major breakthrough, key Senate Ds signaling a willingness to vote to reopen government, per sources. Assuming they get provisions to reinstate fired federal workers. Emerging deal would not include extension of ACA subsidies but would guarantee a vote in Senate on issue
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Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Why Do the Heathen Rage? at November 09, 2025 07:51 PM (L/fGl)
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Folks in central coast CA have seen lots of Minureman launches from Vandenberg over the years. A real treat would be watching re-entry/impacts out at Kwajalein.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 07:51 PM (2qI2i)
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105 Thoughts?
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 07:47 PM
I do not have enough firearms to warrant that. I can count them on one hand.
Ammo though...........
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 07:47 PM
I do not have enough firearms to warrant that. I can count them on one hand.
Ammo though...........
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 07:52 PM (OF02a)
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I had a spreadsheet of my weapons and ammo - just basic information, but it was lost on a hard drive that went kaput. Now it's in a document.
Thoughts?
Posted by: GWB
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Jesse had a notebook with many handwritten notes about all his guns. It was a PITA to photocopy the whole thing when his son and I split them up, but I kept the original and refer to it often. (Because if I'm being honest, I don't even know what some of my guns are without looking them up.) It was very helpful to have this hard copy (J had showed it to me early on) and not need a password or anything to access a doc after he was gone.
Also, it is a personal treasure with his handwriting and often very characteristic notes in his inimitable voice.
Thoughts?
Posted by: GWB
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Jesse had a notebook with many handwritten notes about all his guns. It was a PITA to photocopy the whole thing when his son and I split them up, but I kept the original and refer to it often. (Because if I'm being honest, I don't even know what some of my guns are without looking them up.) It was very helpful to have this hard copy (J had showed it to me early on) and not need a password or anything to access a doc after he was gone.
Also, it is a personal treasure with his handwriting and often very characteristic notes in his inimitable voice.
Posted by: screaming in digital at November 09, 2025 07:52 PM (rhIXr)
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A spreadsheet that is "backed up" when I send it to my insurance agent.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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Is that because you are a collector, and/or have valuable pieces?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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Is that because you are a collector, and/or have valuable pieces?
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at November 09, 2025 07:53 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Past 100 - many thanks to all with the selling advice. Got everything sorted out, and for decent prices...
Now what to do with odd lots of ammo? Have odd boxes of .380, 38 sp, .222, 20G, 12G, .22 short...
Should have given out on Halloween...
Now what to do with odd lots of ammo? Have odd boxes of .380, 38 sp, .222, 20G, 12G, .22 short...
Should have given out on Halloween...
Posted by: man at November 09, 2025 07:53 PM (tubbA)
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Keep an inventory on paper (guns not ammo) along with periodically update $ worth estimates. Mostly so if I check out the boss will know what she’s got.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 07:54 PM (2qI2i)
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Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 07:48 PM (2qI2i)
Got a gun show near you? That might be another potential venue to offload that hoard, especially if it's done as a private sale.
Got a gun show near you? That might be another potential venue to offload that hoard, especially if it's done as a private sale.
Posted by: Ed L at November 09, 2025 07:56 PM (BCwQW)
120
I seem to recall reading somewhere that law enforcement can access insurance records, like inventories of valuable personal property, without a warrant.
Of course, I might have my head up my ass.
Of course, I might have my head up my ass.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 07:56 PM (DJPFk)
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Keep an inventory on paper (guns not ammo) along with periodically update $ worth estimates. Mostly so if I check out the boss will know what she’s got.
Posted by: rhomboid
*******
we keep everything in a binder, so if there are any questions about anything, there is only one place to look
Posted by: rhomboid
*******
we keep everything in a binder, so if there are any questions about anything, there is only one place to look
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at November 09, 2025 07:56 PM (IQ6Gq)
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117 Past 100 - many thanks to all with the selling advice. Got everything sorted out, and for decent prices...
Now what to do with odd lots of ammo? Have odd boxes of .380, 38 sp, .222, 20G, 12G, .22 short...
Should have given out on Halloween...
Posted by: man at November 09, 2025 07:53 PM
There are a few neighborhoods around me where your house would be more popular than the lady's that gives out full-size candy bars!
Now what to do with odd lots of ammo? Have odd boxes of .380, 38 sp, .222, 20G, 12G, .22 short...
Should have given out on Halloween...
Posted by: man at November 09, 2025 07:53 PM
There are a few neighborhoods around me where your house would be more popular than the lady's that gives out full-size candy bars!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 09, 2025 07:56 PM (HlyYF)
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113 Folks in central coast CA have seen lots of Minureman launches from Vandenberg over the years. A real treat would be watching re-entry/impacts out at Kwajalein.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 07:51 PM (2qI2i)
I have some pictures in a book of what that looks like from Kwajalein.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 07:51 PM (2qI2i)
I have some pictures in a book of what that looks like from Kwajalein.
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 09, 2025 07:57 PM (vwL3N)
124
Odd lots of ammo - give it away or shoot it.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 07:57 PM (2qI2i)
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Is that because you are a collector, and/or have valuable pieces?
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at November 09, 2025 07:53 PM (IQ6Gq)
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It's because I buy cheap and lose frequently.
But people with actual collections might get into it.
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at November 09, 2025 07:53 PM (IQ6Gq)
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It's because I buy cheap and lose frequently.
But people with actual collections might get into it.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 09, 2025 07:57 PM (ZOv7s)
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Dinner bell ringing.
Thanks for another gub thread Weasel! Have a good week.
I hope all of the rest of you Morons have a good week too!
Thanks for another gub thread Weasel! Have a good week.
I hope all of the rest of you Morons have a good week too!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at November 09, 2025 07:58 PM (HlyYF)
127
I seem to recall reading somewhere that law enforcement can access insurance records, like inventories of valuable personal property, without a warrant.
Of course, I might have my head up my ass.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 07:56 PM (DJPFk)
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Michigan has a pistol registry that until recently required the purchaser to provide the form to the local constabulary. I have no illusions about privacy.
I'm on a bunch of lists. So many lists.
Of course, I might have my head up my ass.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 07:56 PM (DJPFk)
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Michigan has a pistol registry that until recently required the purchaser to provide the form to the local constabulary. I have no illusions about privacy.
I'm on a bunch of lists. So many lists.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 09, 2025 07:59 PM (ZOv7s)
128
You too, PI. Say hi to your wife!
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at November 09, 2025 07:59 PM (IQ6Gq)
129
This ammo stockpile is far away. Have some contacts there who can advise on private sales. Small bits of highest quality ammo, plan to bring back for myself via airline luggage (11-lb limit per trip).
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 08:00 PM (2qI2i)
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 08:01 PM (jH5TK)
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120 Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 07:56 PM
NYC knows what exactly what I have since I need to send in forms to "register" the firearms when I purchase them.
NYC knows what exactly what I have since I need to send in forms to "register" the firearms when I purchase them.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 08:01 PM (OF02a)
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Keep an inventory on paper (guns not ammo) along with periodically update $ worth estimates. Mostly so if I check out the boss will know what she’s got.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 07:54 PM (2qI2i)
I was always afraid that if I died first, my wife would sell my guns for the prices I told her I paid for them
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 07:54 PM (2qI2i)
I was always afraid that if I died first, my wife would sell my guns for the prices I told her I paid for them
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at November 09, 2025 08:04 PM (oXVB/)
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I did a little gunsmithing with a Super Safety.
I wanted to put it in an Extar EP9. I had seen a post that you need to do some dremeling to make this work. I did the dremeling. Couldn't get it to work in dry fire sequence.
So I put the super safety into an AR15. And it still would not work in dry fire sequence.
So clearly something wrong with the super safety. I asked Grok, describing the symptoms, and it gave me recommendations.
A Super Safety requires a specially cut trigger to work. Took a little bit of dremel/polish to fix that up, according to Grok. It worked!
So back to the EP9. Nope - still no worky. The bolt won't go back far enough at least with the charging handle. Though I am reading that may be functioning as designed. Just seems...sketchy.
Now, need to get a test day with the AR....
I wanted to put it in an Extar EP9. I had seen a post that you need to do some dremeling to make this work. I did the dremeling. Couldn't get it to work in dry fire sequence.
So I put the super safety into an AR15. And it still would not work in dry fire sequence.
So clearly something wrong with the super safety. I asked Grok, describing the symptoms, and it gave me recommendations.
A Super Safety requires a specially cut trigger to work. Took a little bit of dremel/polish to fix that up, according to Grok. It worked!
So back to the EP9. Nope - still no worky. The bolt won't go back far enough at least with the charging handle. Though I am reading that may be functioning as designed. Just seems...sketchy.
Now, need to get a test day with the AR....
Posted by: blaster at November 09, 2025 08:05 PM (RoO7G)
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 09, 2025 08:06 PM (mT+6a)
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You should get a hobby. Or a puppy!
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 07:07 PM (cIOlQ)
Fully endorsing Weasel's latter suggestion!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at November 09, 2025 07:12 PM (v23vE)
Embrace the awesome power of 'and'....
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 09, 2025 07:22 PM (Y4J7L)
Pfft. You get a puppy, you've GOT a hobby.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 07:07 PM (cIOlQ)
Fully endorsing Weasel's latter suggestion!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at November 09, 2025 07:12 PM (v23vE)
Embrace the awesome power of 'and'....
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at November 09, 2025 07:22 PM (Y4J7L)
Pfft. You get a puppy, you've GOT a hobby.
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 08:06 PM (LjAsy)
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NYC knows what exactly what I have since I need to send in forms to "register" the firearms when I purchase them.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 08:01 PM (OF02a)
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It may be a consideration for people who live in normal places who may inadvertently be creating a defacto registry by insuring their guns.
NYC knows what exactly what I have since I need to send in forms to "register" the firearms when I purchase them.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 08:01 PM (OF02a)
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It may be a consideration for people who live in normal places who may inadvertently be creating a defacto registry by insuring their guns.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 08:06 PM (jH5TK)
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Van Owen, one of my favorite gun jokes. But in my case no such issue!
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 08:07 PM (2qI2i)
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Thanks for the front sight video Weasel. Started watching and realized that I need to save it for a time when I can "focus" on it properly. Seems like there is a lot there.
Posted by: TRex - blind dino at November 09, 2025 08:07 PM (IQ6Gq)
139
An early Happy Birthday to the United States Marine Corps. Semper Fi you Teufelshunde!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 08:08 PM (OF02a)
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134 I don’t own anything that goes “bang.”
Nope.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 09, 2025 08:06 PM
Boom??
Nope.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 09, 2025 08:06 PM
Boom??
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 08:09 PM (OF02a)
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An early Happy Birthday to the United States Marine Corps. Semper Fi you Teufelshunde!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 08:08 PM (OF02a)
250th B-day for the USMC!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 08:08 PM (OF02a)
250th B-day for the USMC!
Posted by: Ed L at November 09, 2025 08:09 PM (BCwQW)
142
I had a shooting epiphany recently:
Looking at my loading bench, I had a whole lot of bullets that did not meet my exacting requirements for, e.g., half minute accuracy.
Thinking about it, and testing the theory, I discovered that you do not need that level of accuracy to hit stuff a long way away. (Nota bene, I am not an F Class shooter.)
Again, thinking about it, one MOA accuracy at 1000 yards is about 11”. The difference between1/2 foot versus 1 foot is just not that huge, at least for ringing steel.
So, like with the Berger 156s I mentioned earlier, I am going through my work bench and loading up.
It worked with 147s recently - I shall report on my theory.
I bet Weasel has some thoughts.
Looking at my loading bench, I had a whole lot of bullets that did not meet my exacting requirements for, e.g., half minute accuracy.
Thinking about it, and testing the theory, I discovered that you do not need that level of accuracy to hit stuff a long way away. (Nota bene, I am not an F Class shooter.)
Again, thinking about it, one MOA accuracy at 1000 yards is about 11”. The difference between1/2 foot versus 1 foot is just not that huge, at least for ringing steel.
So, like with the Berger 156s I mentioned earlier, I am going through my work bench and loading up.
It worked with 147s recently - I shall report on my theory.
I bet Weasel has some thoughts.
Posted by: RI Red at November 09, 2025 08:10 PM (tez/p)
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It may be a consideration for people who live in normal places who may inadvertently be creating a defacto registry by insuring their guns.
Posted by: Weasel
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Lochton Insurance, used to be NRA's tie in insurance on guns with membership (2-3k if I remember correctly comes with membership), but you can add coverage directly with Lochton. They do not require (or did not require serial numbers IIRC when I used them). Just rejoined NRA so I will see what they give me.
Posted by: Weasel
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Lochton Insurance, used to be NRA's tie in insurance on guns with membership (2-3k if I remember correctly comes with membership), but you can add coverage directly with Lochton. They do not require (or did not require serial numbers IIRC when I used them). Just rejoined NRA so I will see what they give me.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 08:10 PM (WDjG6)
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We're working on getting the RMBS Mom her permit. Fortunately, the over 70 crowd never has to renew, so she'll only have to do this once.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 09, 2025 07:32 PM (Wnv9h)
They're not likely to commit felonies in-between then and whenever?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 09, 2025 07:32 PM (Wnv9h)
They're not likely to commit felonies in-between then and whenever?
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 08:11 PM (LjAsy)
145
I was always afraid that if I died first, my wife would sell my guns for the prices I told her I paid for them
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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Keep a current Gun Collectors Guide or Bluebook as part of your be prepared package.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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Keep a current Gun Collectors Guide or Bluebook as part of your be prepared package.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 08:12 PM (WDjG6)
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For one thing, I didn't have any handy, but had the bleeding persisted, that was the plan. Also rubbing dirt in it.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 09, 2025 07:34 PM (ZOv7s)
I understood you were supposed to pour gunpowder in the wound and light it off. Seals it right up, supposedly. Right? I mean an old movie wouldn't lie to me, right?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 09, 2025 07:34 PM (ZOv7s)
I understood you were supposed to pour gunpowder in the wound and light it off. Seals it right up, supposedly. Right? I mean an old movie wouldn't lie to me, right?
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 08:13 PM (LjAsy)
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142 I bet Weasel has some thoughts.
Posted by: RI Red at November 09, 2025 08:10 PM
I would like to pick both your brains.
As I will not be doing any type of reloading in the near future and will rely upon factory ammo, what weight of bullet should I be looking for in 6.5 Creedmoor for the distance I will be shooting at? And any particular brand?
Thanks for your thoughts on this
Posted by: RI Red at November 09, 2025 08:10 PM
I would like to pick both your brains.
As I will not be doing any type of reloading in the near future and will rely upon factory ammo, what weight of bullet should I be looking for in 6.5 Creedmoor for the distance I will be shooting at? And any particular brand?
Thanks for your thoughts on this
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 08:14 PM (OF02a)
148
I bet Weasel has some thoughts.
Posted by: RI Red at November 09, 2025 08:10 PM (tez/p)
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It makes a lot of sense to manage gear and ammo in line with accuracy expectations!
Posted by: RI Red at November 09, 2025 08:10 PM (tez/p)
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It makes a lot of sense to manage gear and ammo in line with accuracy expectations!
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 08:14 PM (jH5TK)
149
Whig! Always great to see you in the grey boxes. Hope you are doing well....
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at November 09, 2025 08:16 PM (IQ6Gq)
150
Had some whitetail venison backstrap last night and it was spectacular.
.243 Winchester, the deer slayer, one shot one kill. Best part, drag the harvest 75 feet to the garage.
.243 Winchester, the deer slayer, one shot one kill. Best part, drag the harvest 75 feet to the garage.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at November 09, 2025 08:16 PM (uM32G)
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Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 08:14 PM (OF02a)
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I'd start looking at 142gr and up. Federal Gold Medal Match has always been what I recommend.
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I'd start looking at 142gr and up. Federal Gold Medal Match has always been what I recommend.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 08:17 PM (jH5TK)
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 09, 2025 08:18 PM (mT+6a)
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Scoobs, I told RMBS recently that 140s in 6.5 Creedmoor is a match made in gun heaven.
At the same time, in line with my earlier comment, there are a lot of weights that do just fine. I’m shootings 120s through 147s with acceptable accuracy.
Managing my expectations, as Weasel noted.
At the same time, in line with my earlier comment, there are a lot of weights that do just fine. I’m shootings 120s through 147s with acceptable accuracy.
Managing my expectations, as Weasel noted.
Posted by: RI Red at November 09, 2025 08:20 PM (tez/p)
154
I understood you were supposed to pour gunpowder in the wound and light it off. Seals it right up, supposedly. Right? I mean an old movie wouldn't lie to me, right?
Posted by: GWB
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I'll be curious to see whether this is covered in my courses....
Posted by: GWB
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I'll be curious to see whether this is covered in my courses....
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at November 09, 2025 08:20 PM (IQ6Gq)
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The CMP is clearing out its inventory of M1917 rifles, having dropped the price from $1,000 to $900. Many of these rifles were used for parade or honor guard duty by affiliate organizations which have since turned them in.
I visited the North Store in 2024 and they have a few gaudy specimens that had been chromed. Apparently these will be up for sale separately soon, for $600. Imagine taking a chrome rifle with white and blue band paint on it to the range!
Gay or not gay?
I visited the North Store in 2024 and they have a few gaudy specimens that had been chromed. Apparently these will be up for sale separately soon, for $600. Imagine taking a chrome rifle with white and blue band paint on it to the range!
Gay or not gay?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 09, 2025 08:20 PM (ZOv7s)
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Pfft. You get a puppy, you've GOT a hobby.
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 08:06 PM (LjAsy)
Schnorflekitty would tend to agree with you!
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 08:06 PM (LjAsy)
Schnorflekitty would tend to agree with you!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at November 09, 2025 08:20 PM (v23vE)
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I understand that ammo is difficult to unload if its provenance is unknown. Because safety enters the equation, some businesses won't touch the stuff if it didn't come directly from the factory. Military surplus still in its original packaging (cases, tins, etc.) might do better because the packaging can hold off some environmental storage problems (humidity, heat, etc.).
Posted by: Ed L
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Liability issue. Single based smokeless powder has about 60-75 years worth of powder stabilizers when the powder/ammo is stored under the appropriate conditions (temp and humidity).
Double based powders about half of that lifespan (35-40 years and deteriorating nitroglycerin is the reason). Double based powders use nitroglycerin and guncotten aka nitro cellulose as bases).
Unless you travel in reloader and antique ammo circuits, it generally requires dissassembly of at least some the rounds to determine condition as often the references to foreign ammo is obscure as to what exact powder they did use in a particular cartridge.
This goes for old canister powders as well--when smokeless deteriorates due to stabilizers being used up, it develops an acrid smell and rusty appearance.
Posted by: Ed L
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Liability issue. Single based smokeless powder has about 60-75 years worth of powder stabilizers when the powder/ammo is stored under the appropriate conditions (temp and humidity).
Double based powders about half of that lifespan (35-40 years and deteriorating nitroglycerin is the reason). Double based powders use nitroglycerin and guncotten aka nitro cellulose as bases).
Unless you travel in reloader and antique ammo circuits, it generally requires dissassembly of at least some the rounds to determine condition as often the references to foreign ammo is obscure as to what exact powder they did use in a particular cartridge.
This goes for old canister powders as well--when smokeless deteriorates due to stabilizers being used up, it develops an acrid smell and rusty appearance.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 08:20 PM (WDjG6)
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Also, it is a personal treasure with his handwriting and often very characteristic notes in his inimitable voice.
Posted by: screaming in digital at November 09, 2025 07:52 PM (rhIXr)
I can believe that.
Posted by: screaming in digital at November 09, 2025 07:52 PM (rhIXr)
I can believe that.
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 08:21 PM (LjAsy)
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152 Looking forward to shooting with you again one of these days.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 09, 2025 08:18 PM
Same here nurse!! Barring unforeseen circumstances I WILL see you at the next TXMoMe
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 09, 2025 08:18 PM
Same here nurse!! Barring unforeseen circumstances I WILL see you at the next TXMoMe
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 08:22 PM (OF02a)
Posted by: man at November 09, 2025 08:22 PM (tubbA)
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I visited the North Store in 2024 and they have a few gaudy specimens that had been chromed. Apparently these will be up for sale separately soon, for $600. Imagine taking a chrome rifle with white and blue band paint on it to the range!
Gay or not gay?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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Not. Hard chroming is one of the best preservative surfaces for metal that there is. Not that useful for social occasions but for shooting or collecting, it is part of the story of those rifles.
Not done much today because hard chroming is a EPA nightmare but fairly common for a long period of time.
Gay or not gay?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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Not. Hard chroming is one of the best preservative surfaces for metal that there is. Not that useful for social occasions but for shooting or collecting, it is part of the story of those rifles.
Not done much today because hard chroming is a EPA nightmare but fairly common for a long period of time.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 08:22 PM (WDjG6)
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Keep a current Gun Collectors Guide or Bluebook as part of your be prepared package.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 08:12 PM (WDjG6)
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I'm doing the King Lear thing and getting the daughters to agree in advance to who wants what. Happily, their tastes don't overlap much.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 08:12 PM (WDjG6)
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I'm doing the King Lear thing and getting the daughters to agree in advance to who wants what. Happily, their tastes don't overlap much.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 09, 2025 08:23 PM (ZOv7s)
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Not. Hard chroming is one of the best preservative surfaces for metal that there is. Not that useful for social occasions but for shooting or collecting, it is part of the story of those rifles.
Not done much today because hard chroming is a EPA nightmare but fairly common for a long period of time.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 08:22 PM (WDjG6)
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Not gonna lie. I kind of want one, because it's just so over the top. "I'll see your gold Desert Eagle and raise you a Chrome M1917! Yes, that's white housepaint, you got a problem with it?!"
Not done much today because hard chroming is a EPA nightmare but fairly common for a long period of time.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 08:22 PM (WDjG6)
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Not gonna lie. I kind of want one, because it's just so over the top. "I'll see your gold Desert Eagle and raise you a Chrome M1917! Yes, that's white housepaint, you got a problem with it?!"
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 09, 2025 08:25 PM (ZOv7s)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 08:27 PM (OF02a)
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Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 08:20 PM (WDjG6)
Whig, if you look upthread, you'll see that Rhomboid wants to find a way dispose of a large quantity of MILSURP 7.62mm NATO for an estate sale he's helping out with. My answer was tied into that. I recommended looking into a local (to the site where the ammo is) gun show as a possible venue to sell off that hoard.
Whig, if you look upthread, you'll see that Rhomboid wants to find a way dispose of a large quantity of MILSURP 7.62mm NATO for an estate sale he's helping out with. My answer was tied into that. I recommended looking into a local (to the site where the ammo is) gun show as a possible venue to sell off that hoard.
Posted by: Ed L at November 09, 2025 08:27 PM (BCwQW)
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I visited the North Store in 2024 and they have a few gaudy specimens that had been chromed. Apparently these will be up for sale separately soon, for $600. Imagine taking a chrome rifle with white and blue band paint on it to the range!
Gay or not gay?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 09, 2025 08:20 PM
Pride of providence, not pride of month.
Gay or not gay?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 09, 2025 08:20 PM
Pride of providence, not pride of month.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 09, 2025 08:29 PM (0sNs1)
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FWIW,
I would also caution people about firing old ammo of unknown providence or even using reloading tumblers to remove corrosion from the cases. With unknown powders, particular stick types, you can shorten the sticks and thus affect burn rates for the powder, removing substantial corrosion can mask powder issues causing the corrosion or cause some weak spots in the brass.
Some foreign military surplus ammo is known also to be horrendously corrosive (avoid old French surplus in both pistol and rifle) and most old primers used ground glass (which is not the best for barrels) in them to help regulate how 'hot' they were.
Old mercury primed ammo (found before WWII era) are never to be fired as mercury reacts with the brass to soften and weaken it. Not good and discard the brass as salvage even if you deprime it. Potassium Chlorate primers which superceded mercuric primers, are corrosive and found quite often as recently as the 90's mfg. in some military surplus ammo.
One last thing, old smokeless powder that has deteriorated along with physical damage from rough handling of the powder (flake and stick are the worst), can result in changed burn rates of powder.
I would also caution people about firing old ammo of unknown providence or even using reloading tumblers to remove corrosion from the cases. With unknown powders, particular stick types, you can shorten the sticks and thus affect burn rates for the powder, removing substantial corrosion can mask powder issues causing the corrosion or cause some weak spots in the brass.
Some foreign military surplus ammo is known also to be horrendously corrosive (avoid old French surplus in both pistol and rifle) and most old primers used ground glass (which is not the best for barrels) in them to help regulate how 'hot' they were.
Old mercury primed ammo (found before WWII era) are never to be fired as mercury reacts with the brass to soften and weaken it. Not good and discard the brass as salvage even if you deprime it. Potassium Chlorate primers which superceded mercuric primers, are corrosive and found quite often as recently as the 90's mfg. in some military surplus ammo.
One last thing, old smokeless powder that has deteriorated along with physical damage from rough handling of the powder (flake and stick are the worst), can result in changed burn rates of powder.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 08:30 PM (WDjG6)
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I’ve popped more than 3k rounds through my
PPQ. Not a single mishap. A GREAT 9mm.
I do shoot 1911s well. But the PPQ is a very tight second.
I feel so dirty.
PPQ. Not a single mishap. A GREAT 9mm.
I do shoot 1911s well. But the PPQ is a very tight second.
I feel so dirty.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 09, 2025 08:31 PM (mT+6a)
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It may be a consideration for people who live in normal places who may inadvertently be creating a defacto registry by insuring their guns.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 08:06 PM (jH5TK)
I never saw the sense in insuring property one item at a time anyway. Hence no insurer knows about my guns.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 08:06 PM (jH5TK)
I never saw the sense in insuring property one item at a time anyway. Hence no insurer knows about my guns.
Posted by: Cow Demon at November 09, 2025 08:31 PM (vwL3N)
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I am going to call it a night.
As always, thank you Weasel for creating this thread for us to converse in and make Sunday nights a bit more bearable. :-)
Have a good night all!!! See you through out the week!!!
As always, thank you Weasel for creating this thread for us to converse in and make Sunday nights a bit more bearable. :-)
Have a good night all!!! See you through out the week!!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 08:32 PM (OF02a)
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 08:32 PM (aYmFI)
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Dinner time, have a great week y'all
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at November 09, 2025 08:34 PM (IQ6Gq)
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>>> 140 134 I don’t own anything that goes “bang.”
Nope.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 09, 2025 08:06 PM
Boom??
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 08:09 PM (OF02a)
She has things that go BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!
Nope.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 09, 2025 08:06 PM
Boom??
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 09, 2025 08:09 PM (OF02a)
She has things that go BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!
Posted by: woodpeckers at November 09, 2025 08:34 PM (ULPxl)
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I do shoot 1911s well. But the PPQ is a very tight second.
I feel so dirty.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 09, 2025 08:31 PM (mT+6a)
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It's a Walther, not a Glock.
Fine weapon, used to have one. I burned out on polymer 9s and traded it for an Ishapore Enfield shotgun.
Lost while whitewater rafting, alas.
I feel so dirty.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 09, 2025 08:31 PM (mT+6a)
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It's a Walther, not a Glock.
Fine weapon, used to have one. I burned out on polymer 9s and traded it for an Ishapore Enfield shotgun.
Lost while whitewater rafting, alas.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 09, 2025 08:34 PM (ZOv7s)
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 08:34 PM (aYmFI)
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Great grandfather of six year old who intentionally shot teacher says that if the races had been reversed and a white six year old had shot a black teacher it wouldn't have been a big deal.
https://is.gd/1uBa8X
https://is.gd/1uBa8X
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Why Do the Heathen Rage? at November 09, 2025 08:35 PM (L/fGl)
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Whig, if you look upthread, you'll see that Rhomboid wants to find a way dispose of a large quantity of MILSURP 7.62mm NATO for an estate sale he's helping out with. My answer was tied into that. I recommended looking into a local (to the site where the ammo is) gun show as a possible venue to sell off that hoard.
Posted by: Ed L
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Sorry, not picking on your post but warning people in general about old surplus ammo.
1970's to 00's era German is generally excellent ammo in decent shape from storage albeit Berdan primed which is not easily reloadable (takes special tools). You'll also find some odd stuff too like 303 British loaded by Germans in that period probably for down low exports to former British colonies.
Some of the German military export ammo also can also be steel cased as their H&K series was rather rough on cases and most nations don't really want their citizens to reload ammo in the first place.
Guess I was also explaining why a lot of businesses do not want it either due to the factors you mentioned plus ordinary deterioration from age.
Best conditioned surplus ammo I saw was Swiss, followed by Germans post WWII. Radway Green from the Brits too.
Posted by: Ed L
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Sorry, not picking on your post but warning people in general about old surplus ammo.
1970's to 00's era German is generally excellent ammo in decent shape from storage albeit Berdan primed which is not easily reloadable (takes special tools). You'll also find some odd stuff too like 303 British loaded by Germans in that period probably for down low exports to former British colonies.
Some of the German military export ammo also can also be steel cased as their H&K series was rather rough on cases and most nations don't really want their citizens to reload ammo in the first place.
Guess I was also explaining why a lot of businesses do not want it either due to the factors you mentioned plus ordinary deterioration from age.
Best conditioned surplus ammo I saw was Swiss, followed by Germans post WWII. Radway Green from the Brits too.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 08:36 PM (WDjG6)
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Whig, you are the proverbial fount of knowledge. I wish you had been able to go to TX.
Posted by: RI Red at November 09, 2025 08:37 PM (fRFTM)
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whig, glad to see you here, hope your medical wars are going OK.
As EdL noted, I am looking at disposing of 9K rounds of West German milsurp 7.62X51 NATO, still in 200-rd battle packs (in sealed plastic pouches), still in crates, stored in good conditions.
Final answer will only come from local (another place) gun stores.
But I will note that all of my 54R ammo is Soviet/Soviet-bloc milsurp in original (air-tight spam can) packaging, dating from 70s/80s. Never a problem and still to be found for sale online by commercial sources.
As EdL noted, I am looking at disposing of 9K rounds of West German milsurp 7.62X51 NATO, still in 200-rd battle packs (in sealed plastic pouches), still in crates, stored in good conditions.
Final answer will only come from local (another place) gun stores.
But I will note that all of my 54R ammo is Soviet/Soviet-bloc milsurp in original (air-tight spam can) packaging, dating from 70s/80s. Never a problem and still to be found for sale online by commercial sources.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 08:37 PM (U/Byj)
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One last thing, old smokeless powder that has deteriorated along with physical damage from rough handling of the powder (flake and stick are the worst), can result in changed burn rates of powder.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 08:30 PM (WDjG6)
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See also: Kentucky Ballistics.
In June I got a chronograph, and it's quite useful to quantify "hot" ammo, which in turn can provide insight on what should or should not be kept.
Some surplus is quite decent, but there's a lot of slop out there.
Of course, if you're shooting 9mm Largo, options are limited...
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 08:30 PM (WDjG6)
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See also: Kentucky Ballistics.
In June I got a chronograph, and it's quite useful to quantify "hot" ammo, which in turn can provide insight on what should or should not be kept.
Some surplus is quite decent, but there's a lot of slop out there.
Of course, if you're shooting 9mm Largo, options are limited...
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 09, 2025 08:38 PM (ZOv7s)
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Nurse, Walther retired the PPQ from its lineup a couple of years ago now (2023). Hopefully, you've stocked up magazines and other accessories for it.
Posted by: Ed L at November 09, 2025 08:40 PM (BCwQW)
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Not gonna lie. I kind of want one, because it's just so over the top. "I'll see your gold Desert Eagle and raise you a Chrome M1917! Yes, that's white housepaint, you got a problem with it?!"
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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I would however plan on replacing the barrel if the CMP didn't. Blanks are helluva nasty corrosive stuff on barrels and probably one of the reasons, besides bling, that they were chromed in the first place. I hated cleaning fouling from cleaning blanks from ARs whenever we did war games with a passion and don't ever fire them in my firearms.
Germans with their original issued WWI era GEW 98's didn't blue receivers and left them unfinished. Those receivers they reused after than are often blued as well as those using them for sporters, etc.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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I would however plan on replacing the barrel if the CMP didn't. Blanks are helluva nasty corrosive stuff on barrels and probably one of the reasons, besides bling, that they were chromed in the first place. I hated cleaning fouling from cleaning blanks from ARs whenever we did war games with a passion and don't ever fire them in my firearms.
Germans with their original issued WWI era GEW 98's didn't blue receivers and left them unfinished. Those receivers they reused after than are often blued as well as those using them for sporters, etc.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 08:40 PM (WDjG6)
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Imagine I can determine date of manufacture from the crates, pretty sure it was late 80s or early 90s. Have to check photos I took of the crates to see if the info is there.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 08:40 PM (U/Byj)
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176 Great grandfather of six year old who intentionally shot teacher says that if the races had been reversed and a white six year old had shot a black teacher it wouldn't have been a big deal.
https://is.gd/1uBa8X
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Why Do the Heathen Rage? at November 09, 2025 08:35 PM (L/fGl)
I have no words.
https://is.gd/1uBa8X
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Why Do the Heathen Rage? at November 09, 2025 08:35 PM (L/fGl)
I have no words.
Posted by: Eromero at November 09, 2025 08:40 PM (LHPAg)
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Horror is not a genre I care much for, but I watched the trailer for Changeling on the IMDb page. It starts off:
"Within this old house live two residents. One of them is John Russell, composer, professor. The other has been dead for over seventy years."
Make up your mind. Is it living there or is it dead? Sheesh.
"Within this old house live two residents. One of them is John Russell, composer, professor. The other has been dead for over seventy years."
Make up your mind. Is it living there or is it dead? Sheesh.
Posted by: mindful webworker - it's Schrodinger's ghost at November 09, 2025 08:42 PM (3ynhY)
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EdL
I have a few magazines for the PPQ. I gave my
marine the paddle release version for his boot camp graduation a few years ago. Those are the ones I can’t find.
I have a few magazines for the PPQ. I gave my
marine the paddle release version for his boot camp graduation a few years ago. Those are the ones I can’t find.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 09, 2025 08:45 PM (mT+6a)
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I would however plan on replacing the barrel if the CMP didn't. Blanks are helluva nasty corrosive stuff on barrels and probably one of the reasons, besides bling, that they were chromed in the first place. I hated cleaning fouling from cleaning blanks from ARs whenever we did war games with a passion and don't ever fire them in my firearms.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 08:40 PM (WDjG6)
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CMP grades the bores and throats so while if you are in the store you can visually inspect them, you can also just check the tag. That price point is suspiciously close to non-firing Garands for display purposes only.
On the other hand, demand might be really low and CMP is self-supporting (which is why they are open during the shutdown). Since these were obviously used for parades, they likely were not fired at all. This still leaves the risk of water infiltration, lack of cleaning, etc.
There is a program to restore deactivated rifles which should free up more Garands as well as 1903A3s. I was kind of holding out for the latter, but the M1917 called to me.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 08:40 PM (WDjG6)
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CMP grades the bores and throats so while if you are in the store you can visually inspect them, you can also just check the tag. That price point is suspiciously close to non-firing Garands for display purposes only.
On the other hand, demand might be really low and CMP is self-supporting (which is why they are open during the shutdown). Since these were obviously used for parades, they likely were not fired at all. This still leaves the risk of water infiltration, lack of cleaning, etc.
There is a program to restore deactivated rifles which should free up more Garands as well as 1903A3s. I was kind of holding out for the latter, but the M1917 called to me.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 09, 2025 08:46 PM (ZOv7s)
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OK, I've got some imagery of the crates.
whig (or others) can you recommend a site that has info on reading ammo crate markings?
I used to know several but lost the bookmarks in laptop/browser changes.
whig (or others) can you recommend a site that has info on reading ammo crate markings?
I used to know several but lost the bookmarks in laptop/browser changes.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 08:46 PM (U/Byj)
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Of course, if you're shooting 9mm Largo, options are limited...
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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Always disassemble a few rounds in a lot--rusty looking powder, acrid smell, not worth firing.
Some are not worth firing at any price. Some of the post WWII French ammo is recognized as insanely corrosive to barrels and some of that came into this country from Syria, a land not known for its care in ammo handling. Turkish and Pakistani ammo storage also has a well known issue where often storage was not well done resulting in either overpressure ammo or hangfires/bullets stuck in bores.
Chronographs can help but sometimes you get nasty things like hangfires/stuck bullets or overpressure events before you even fire more than one round.
I've disassembled some for recovery of odd bullets (Italian Carcano in particular) and you can often find nasty stuff ready for salvaging bullets and perhaps a case if you care to dive into berdan priming which I don't.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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Always disassemble a few rounds in a lot--rusty looking powder, acrid smell, not worth firing.
Some are not worth firing at any price. Some of the post WWII French ammo is recognized as insanely corrosive to barrels and some of that came into this country from Syria, a land not known for its care in ammo handling. Turkish and Pakistani ammo storage also has a well known issue where often storage was not well done resulting in either overpressure ammo or hangfires/bullets stuck in bores.
Chronographs can help but sometimes you get nasty things like hangfires/stuck bullets or overpressure events before you even fire more than one round.
I've disassembled some for recovery of odd bullets (Italian Carcano in particular) and you can often find nasty stuff ready for salvaging bullets and perhaps a case if you care to dive into berdan priming which I don't.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 08:46 PM (WDjG6)
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For various reasons I'm not in a buying mode now, but dang if the 1917 wasn't kinda sorta on my wish list. Already load 30-06, so it checks one of my Excuses to Buy boxes. And you get the Enfield action, right. Hmmm.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 08:48 PM (U/Byj)
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I have a few magazines for the PPQ. I gave my
marine the paddle release version for his boot camp graduation a few years ago. Those are the ones I can’t find.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 09, 2025 08:45 PM (mT+6a)
IIRC, P99 magazines (P99 has paddle mag releases) will interchange w/ the PPQ, I can still find P99 magazines locally near me, but they're getting increasingly scarce.
marine the paddle release version for his boot camp graduation a few years ago. Those are the ones I can’t find.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 09, 2025 08:45 PM (mT+6a)
IIRC, P99 magazines (P99 has paddle mag releases) will interchange w/ the PPQ, I can still find P99 magazines locally near me, but they're getting increasingly scarce.
Posted by: Ed L at November 09, 2025 08:50 PM (BCwQW)
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whig (or others) can you recommend a site that has info on reading ammo crate markings?
I used to know several but lost the bookmarks in laptop/browser changes.
Posted by: rhomboid
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Try checking milsurps dot com or gunboards in teh appropriate forums. Sometimes Cast Boolits forum or High Road is fine if you get the right person.
Often simply going to grok AI or some other search engine using the markings can get a hit. I quit keeping up with milsurp ammo when I stopped actively collecting them about 10 years ago but the older gun boards or sometimes the small crew of ammo collectors who know headstamps like the back of their hand often have useful information.
If the guy has some fired headstamped ammo, I would start with those markings.
I used to know several but lost the bookmarks in laptop/browser changes.
Posted by: rhomboid
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Try checking milsurps dot com or gunboards in teh appropriate forums. Sometimes Cast Boolits forum or High Road is fine if you get the right person.
Often simply going to grok AI or some other search engine using the markings can get a hit. I quit keeping up with milsurp ammo when I stopped actively collecting them about 10 years ago but the older gun boards or sometimes the small crew of ammo collectors who know headstamps like the back of their hand often have useful information.
If the guy has some fired headstamped ammo, I would start with those markings.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 08:50 PM (WDjG6)
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Oh, Ed L, I found a Colt Python for less than $1,200. It has a "minor cosmetic blemish." I went ahead and pulled the trigger, as it were. It should get here before my favorite FFL raises its transfer rates. I had some money handy, and didn't let this one get away.
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 08:52 PM (LjAsy)
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whig - kicking myself, duh! When I was around this stuff I didn't bother to check a headstamp. And there was an open battle pack with the cardboard boxes inside. Well, can do it next time at the location.
Meanwhile I'll do as you say and poke around for postings/discussions. For Soviet stuff there were a few good sites that explained all markings, which I sort of memorized so I know those now. Imagine it won't be hard to find date-of-manufacture info.
Meanwhile I'll do as you say and poke around for postings/discussions. For Soviet stuff there were a few good sites that explained all markings, which I sort of memorized so I know those now. Imagine it won't be hard to find date-of-manufacture info.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 08:54 PM (U/Byj)
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190 For various reasons I'm not in a buying mode now, but dang if the 1917 wasn't kinda sorta on my wish list. Already load 30-06, so it checks one of my Excuses to Buy boxes. And you get the Enfield action, right. Hmmm.
Posted by: rhomboid
Of all the Mauser type military actions, the 1917/P14 were a culmination of strength and excellent sights. Century built some 300 Win Mags to sell out of surplus P14 receivers in the 1980's (they are a bit shorter in length and fit the 300 Win Mag case length better). Some milsurp converters built 300 Norma Magnums from 1917 actions.
Only weak spot is the ejector spring which is delicate and easily broken.
Posted by: rhomboid
Of all the Mauser type military actions, the 1917/P14 were a culmination of strength and excellent sights. Century built some 300 Win Mags to sell out of surplus P14 receivers in the 1980's (they are a bit shorter in length and fit the 300 Win Mag case length better). Some milsurp converters built 300 Norma Magnums from 1917 actions.
Only weak spot is the ejector spring which is delicate and easily broken.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 08:54 PM (WDjG6)
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Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 08:52 PM (LjAsy)
It's the 4 1/2 inch barrel. Black finish (that's not "blued" anymore, is that right?).
It's the 4 1/2 inch barrel. Black finish (that's not "blued" anymore, is that right?).
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 08:54 PM (LjAsy)
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Imagine it won't be hard to find date-of-manufacture info.
Posted by: rhomboid
Usually coded on the crate if not the headstamp or battle packages. That alone tells me that it is probably 80's to 90's vintage as earlier 60's and 70's German military ammo was in regular cardboard boxes IIRC. Someone like Bif or Diogenes might know as well that spent time in Germany during the Cold War.
Posted by: rhomboid
Usually coded on the crate if not the headstamp or battle packages. That alone tells me that it is probably 80's to 90's vintage as earlier 60's and 70's German military ammo was in regular cardboard boxes IIRC. Someone like Bif or Diogenes might know as well that spent time in Germany during the Cold War.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 08:56 PM (WDjG6)
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Nurse, ammoseek.com still lists quite a few PPQ mags for sale (some in 45ACP, but 9mm too). Good place to start.
Haven't checked TripleK (with whom I have a sort of indirect connection) here in town, but would think it's worth checking their website as well.
Haven't checked TripleK (with whom I have a sort of indirect connection) here in town, but would think it's worth checking their website as well.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 08:56 PM (U/Byj)
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whig now don't go making it harder to look away from the CMP 1917s, lol. A sub-standard ejector spring would not deter me, I fear, but distraction and not being in buying mode will likely save me here .....
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 08:58 PM (U/Byj)
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Here: https://shorturl.at/2iZ3F
It does say "blued."
It does say "blued."
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 08:58 PM (LjAsy)
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Oh, Ed L, I found a Colt Python for less than $1,200. It has a "minor cosmetic blemish." I went ahead and pulled the trigger, as it were. It should get here before my favorite FFL raises its transfer rates. I had some money handy, and didn't let this one get away.
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 08:52 PM (LjAsy)
If you picked up a Python w/ the standard "satin" finish, you stole that thing for $1,200. The "blemished" ones I've seen have only minor problems. One had the blemished polishing on the frame beneath the grips where it can't be seen unless you remove the grips first.
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 08:52 PM (LjAsy)
If you picked up a Python w/ the standard "satin" finish, you stole that thing for $1,200. The "blemished" ones I've seen have only minor problems. One had the blemished polishing on the frame beneath the grips where it can't be seen unless you remove the grips first.
Posted by: Ed L at November 09, 2025 09:01 PM (BCwQW)
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Here: https://shorturl.at/2iZ3F
It does say "blued."
You definitely stole that thing. The blued version goes for a couple of hundred dollars more than the satin stainless.
It does say "blued."
You definitely stole that thing. The blued version goes for a couple of hundred dollars more than the satin stainless.
Posted by: Ed L at November 09, 2025 09:04 PM (BCwQW)
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Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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Pick a Winchester or Remington receivers over the Eddystone if you have a choice. Eddystone had an issue with heat treatment on some of the receivers that is not as well known as the old 1903's but is documented in old WWII era military decomissioning documents instructing arsenals on the issue.
Due to the nickel steel use and the overbuilt Mauser design of the bolt/gas venting, not so much a problem safety wise but cracking on the left side of the receiver ring is the usual problem with the Eddystones that have heat treatment issues. Not repairable. Some gunsmiths noted the issue when rebarrelling Eddystone receivers. Earlier story was that the females working at Eddystone had to use pneumatic tools to install barrels and overtorqued them, then when the old barrel was removed, the receivers cracked.
More likely though to be a heat treatment issue as Eddystone was a hurry up job.
WWII era refinished receivers and barrels may have JA (Johnson Automatic) or HS (High Standard) and are gray green parkerized. WWI era are a deep blackish parkerized by the end of WWI and early ones were blued.
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Pick a Winchester or Remington receivers over the Eddystone if you have a choice. Eddystone had an issue with heat treatment on some of the receivers that is not as well known as the old 1903's but is documented in old WWII era military decomissioning documents instructing arsenals on the issue.
Due to the nickel steel use and the overbuilt Mauser design of the bolt/gas venting, not so much a problem safety wise but cracking on the left side of the receiver ring is the usual problem with the Eddystones that have heat treatment issues. Not repairable. Some gunsmiths noted the issue when rebarrelling Eddystone receivers. Earlier story was that the females working at Eddystone had to use pneumatic tools to install barrels and overtorqued them, then when the old barrel was removed, the receivers cracked.
More likely though to be a heat treatment issue as Eddystone was a hurry up job.
WWII era refinished receivers and barrels may have JA (Johnson Automatic) or HS (High Standard) and are gray green parkerized. WWI era are a deep blackish parkerized by the end of WWI and early ones were blued.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 09:05 PM (WDjG6)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 09, 2025 09:05 PM (Wnv9h)
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199 whig now don't go making it harder to look away from the CMP 1917s, lol. A sub-standard ejector spring would not deter me, I fear, but distraction and not being in buying mode will likely save me here .....
Posted by: rhomboid
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Not hard fix to actually alter the ejector spring and Numrich used to actually sell them as a retrofit along with teh awful Dayton Traister Cock on Opening retrofit kit. Like Enfields, P14s and 1917's cock on closing, not opening like Mausers and US Springfields. Upsets some folks.
Posted by: rhomboid
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Not hard fix to actually alter the ejector spring and Numrich used to actually sell them as a retrofit along with teh awful Dayton Traister Cock on Opening retrofit kit. Like Enfields, P14s and 1917's cock on closing, not opening like Mausers and US Springfields. Upsets some folks.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 09:07 PM (WDjG6)
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Alas, an early evening.
Thanks, Weasel, and all commenters. I learn stuff every week.
Thanks, Weasel, and all commenters. I learn stuff every week.
Posted by: RI Red at November 09, 2025 09:10 PM (ZbDxc)
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Adios RMBS & RI Red!
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 09:11 PM (3Dcbq)
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PPQ mags for sale?
https://www.cdnnsports.com
They have them in stock. I spend entirely too much money there, so I can vouch for them.
https://www.cdnnsports.com
They have them in stock. I spend entirely too much money there, so I can vouch for them.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at November 09, 2025 09:12 PM (utsBX)
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OK, 9:12 thank you time!
Thank you!
Appreciate all y'all being here and hope to see you next Sunday!
Thank you!
Appreciate all y'all being here and hope to see you next Sunday!
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 09:12 PM (3Dcbq)
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149 Whig! Always great to see you in the grey boxes. Hope you are doing well....
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba
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I am busy providing full employment to the medical industry. Next week coming, I have a whole week of doctor appointments and tests . Thyroid biopsy, nerve ablation of lumbar, and surgically removing nerve impingement of peripheral nerves on the cervical section of my back. Lost a lot of dominant hand strength while the doctors fiddled about on that issue over the last year.
At least the bronchitis is in the rear view mirror though.
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba
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I am busy providing full employment to the medical industry. Next week coming, I have a whole week of doctor appointments and tests . Thyroid biopsy, nerve ablation of lumbar, and surgically removing nerve impingement of peripheral nerves on the cervical section of my back. Lost a lot of dominant hand strength while the doctors fiddled about on that issue over the last year.
At least the bronchitis is in the rear view mirror though.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 09:13 PM (WDjG6)
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Thanks for the thread Weasel as it was a welcome respite.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 09:13 PM (WDjG6)
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whig, all the best on the medical front.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 09:14 PM (U/Byj)
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Thanks for hosting, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at November 09, 2025 09:14 PM (BCwQW)
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Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 09:13 PM (WDjG6)
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Thanks whig. Good luck this coming week.
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Thanks whig. Good luck this coming week.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 09:15 PM (3Dcbq)
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They have them in stock. I spend entirely too much money there, so I can vouch for them.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy
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I think they (CDNN Sports )are running a sale on some magazines as well right now. Can vouch for them. Also can vouch for Natchez Shooting Supply which also has good magazine prices for some makes.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy
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I think they (CDNN Sports )are running a sale on some magazines as well right now. Can vouch for them. Also can vouch for Natchez Shooting Supply which also has good magazine prices for some makes.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 09:15 PM (WDjG6)
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Dunno if Nurse saw my or Idaho Spudboy's comments but if I post on the ONT I'll repeat the info re PPQ mags. Looks like they're around - though I assume hers is 9mm, and some of the available stock is 45ACP and 22LR.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 09:15 PM (U/Byj)
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Nite Ed L!
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 09:15 PM (3Dcbq)
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Whig, I wish you the best when it comes to your medical issues.
Posted by: Ed L at November 09, 2025 09:15 PM (BCwQW)
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Thanks as always to Weasel.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 09:16 PM (U/Byj)
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 09:16 PM (3Dcbq)
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Thanks Weasel and Rhomboid.
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And I am going to turn in now as the strong cold front system pushing through has me knackered.
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And I am going to turn in now as the strong cold front system pushing through has me knackered.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 09:17 PM (WDjG6)
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Thanks too Ed L.
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Sorry again, I jumped on your post about rhomboid's issue. Did not mean to imply you were not aware of the issues on surplus ammo. Should have put it in a separate post.
Father drummed that into me, he was a ordnance officer.
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Sorry again, I jumped on your post about rhomboid's issue. Did not mean to imply you were not aware of the issues on surplus ammo. Should have put it in a separate post.
Father drummed that into me, he was a ordnance officer.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 09:18 PM (WDjG6)
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Looks like things are winding down now. Feel free to discuss whatever you guys like, including the senate vote taking place.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 09:20 PM (3Dcbq)
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You can also always make Doof jokes.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 09:21 PM (3Dcbq)
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Got it rhomboid!
Marine’s is the paddle release 15 round mag. He only has the two the pistol came with. I’m in WA and cannot legally purchase mags over 10 rounds.
Marine’s is the paddle release 15 round mag. He only has the two the pistol came with. I’m in WA and cannot legally purchase mags over 10 rounds.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 09, 2025 09:24 PM (mT+6a)
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I do shoot 1911s well. But the PPQ is a very tight second.
I feel so dirty.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 09, 2025 08:31 PM
Time to light the Holy Grail sign at Castle NineMM?
I feel so dirty.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 09, 2025 08:31 PM
Time to light the Holy Grail sign at Castle NineMM?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at November 09, 2025 09:24 PM (0sNs1)
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Wow, that is a long video on the AK-50.
And now I want one. Of course, no one will let me shoot it at their range, so........
And now I want one. Of course, no one will let me shoot it at their range, so........
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 09:26 PM (LjAsy)
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At least the bronchitis is in the rear view mirror though.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 09:13 PM (WDjG6)
Man, you need a set of replacement parts. If only we were made that way.
Posted by: whig at November 09, 2025 09:13 PM (WDjG6)
Man, you need a set of replacement parts. If only we were made that way.
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 09:29 PM (LjAsy)
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Thank you Horde and thanks Weasel. Need to go rest for the ONT.
Posted by: TRex - standard time dino at November 09, 2025 09:29 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Dang, Weasel, you're going soft. Allowing OT discussions.
If the Senate Ds allow enough up-next-year members to vote to end the shutdown, I sure hope it doesn't come at any/much cost. Because the fact that the Ds would do this only confirms they're in an untenable position, in which case, Rs should stand pat (i.e. no "concessions" for clean CR). As this would imply the Ds will cave soon, regardless.
But I haven't seen much sensible game management in the Senate Rs for many years. Back when I was up there you rarely had to ask "can't anyone here play this game?".
If the Senate Ds allow enough up-next-year members to vote to end the shutdown, I sure hope it doesn't come at any/much cost. Because the fact that the Ds would do this only confirms they're in an untenable position, in which case, Rs should stand pat (i.e. no "concessions" for clean CR). As this would imply the Ds will cave soon, regardless.
But I haven't seen much sensible game management in the Senate Rs for many years. Back when I was up there you rarely had to ask "can't anyone here play this game?".
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 09:31 PM (U/Byj)
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Whig, you are always in my prayers that your medical issues are resolved. You are a treasure....
Posted by: The Grateful - Acta Non Verba at November 09, 2025 09:32 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I'll call it a night.
Hopefully next week I will have some range time.
Maybe the week after that I will have range time with the new acquisition.
Now I need to find some holsters....
Thanks, Weasel, for the Gun Thread!
Thanks, Horde, for being some of the best folks anywhere.
Hopefully next week I will have some range time.
Maybe the week after that I will have range time with the new acquisition.
Now I need to find some holsters....
Thanks, Weasel, for the Gun Thread!
Thanks, Horde, for being some of the best folks anywhere.
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 09:32 PM (LjAsy)
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Range report(ish)
Hated the 7mm-08 blr. Traded her in for a Bergara .308 Extreme Hunter. Waiting on delivery.
Hated the 7mm-08 blr. Traded her in for a Bergara .308 Extreme Hunter. Waiting on delivery.
Posted by: Nato at November 09, 2025 09:33 PM (pBz/W)
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Nite TRex!
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 09:35 PM (Rwc47)
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You bet, GWB.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 09:36 PM (Rwc47)
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Dang, Weasel, you're going soft. Allowing OT discussions.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 09:31 PM (U/Byj)
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Who knows what kind of wanton debauchery took place at that MoMe?
The Shadow knows.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 09:31 PM (U/Byj)
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Who knows what kind of wanton debauchery took place at that MoMe?
The Shadow knows.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at November 09, 2025 09:37 PM (ZOv7s)
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And I keep forgetting to note that now, in addition to my 1911 experiencing amazingly serious jams (FTF) with my standard 200g SWC reloads, my M&P 22 handgun is now FTE'ing what I believe is the ammo it's always liked (Federal Champion).
On the 1911 I have avoided dealing with it by switching to 230g plated bullets (only because I found them for the same price as my usual lead SWCs). Though I haven't yet loaded any of the new projectiles to see if that solves the issue.
For the 22, gonna have to dig out all my different brands/loads of 22 and try them out. One of the calibers I hope to ferry back via airline luggage from the distant place I'm dealing with an estate sale is 22LR, of which the previous owner has tons.
On the 1911 I have avoided dealing with it by switching to 230g plated bullets (only because I found them for the same price as my usual lead SWCs). Though I haven't yet loaded any of the new projectiles to see if that solves the issue.
For the 22, gonna have to dig out all my different brands/loads of 22 and try them out. One of the calibers I hope to ferry back via airline luggage from the distant place I'm dealing with an estate sale is 22LR, of which the previous owner has tons.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 09:38 PM (U/Byj)
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Dang, Weasel, you're going soft. Allowing OT discussions.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 09:31 PM (U/Byj)
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Right?! What was I thinking?! OT status revoked!
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 09:31 PM (U/Byj)
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Right?! What was I thinking?! OT status revoked!
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 09:39 PM (Rwc47)
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Back when I was up there you rarely had to ask "can't anyone here play this game?".
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 09:31 PM (U/Byj)
You are old!
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 09:31 PM (U/Byj)
You are old!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 09, 2025 09:42 PM (n9ltV)
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Great grandfather of six year old who intentionally shot teacher says that if the races had been reversed and a white six year old had shot a black teacher it wouldn't have been a big deal.
https://is.gd/1uBa8X
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Why Do the Heathen Rage?
That is an extremely jacked up position to take - that a six-year shooting a teacher is unremarkable if something something...
https://is.gd/1uBa8X
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Why Do the Heathen Rage?
That is an extremely jacked up position to take - that a six-year shooting a teacher is unremarkable if something something...
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 09, 2025 09:44 PM (/lPRQ)
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Oh ffs.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 09, 2025 09:46 PM (mT+6a)
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Well, it's that time. Thanks again, Weasel!
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 09, 2025 09:49 PM (ZOv7s)
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Oh ffs.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 09, 2025 09:46 PM (mT+6a)
I think I'll give you a Sous Vide machine for Christmas.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 09, 2025 09:46 PM (mT+6a)
I think I'll give you a Sous Vide machine for Christmas.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 09, 2025 09:50 PM (n9ltV)
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Avon (IN) gun range closes amid state investigation into reports of high lead levels
https://t.ly/6d3Xg
Avon (IN) gun range closes amid state investigation into reports of high lead levels
https://t.ly/6d3Xg
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 09, 2025 09:50 PM (pkeXY)
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Nite AHL!
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2025 09:51 PM (fJiXH)
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"Oh ffs."
This is intriguing but leaves us wondering.
Oh, and nurse your (and our) 10-rd mag limit might be moving to (finally) be struck down by the "courts". I only care about final scores so don't follow each inning, but the suit to over-turn the ban in CA has moved ahead and won so far. And if that effort succeeds at either 9th or SCOTUS level, obviously WA's ban will fall as well.
This is intriguing but leaves us wondering.
Oh, and nurse your (and our) 10-rd mag limit might be moving to (finally) be struck down by the "courts". I only care about final scores so don't follow each inning, but the suit to over-turn the ban in CA has moved ahead and won so far. And if that effort succeeds at either 9th or SCOTUS level, obviously WA's ban will fall as well.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 09:51 PM (U/Byj)
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This political cartoonist is quite talented, I think:
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 09, 2025 09:41 PM (Yl2Ob)
Melania's not gonna like that.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 09, 2025 09:41 PM (Yl2Ob)
Melania's not gonna like that.
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 09:51 PM (LjAsy)
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Avon (IN) gun range closes amid state investigation into reports of high lead levels
https://t.ly/6d3Xg
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
That is a real head-scratcher.
Where would lead come from?!
Former elementary school site?
https://t.ly/6d3Xg
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
That is a real head-scratcher.
Where would lead come from?!
Former elementary school site?
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 09, 2025 09:52 PM (/lPRQ)
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And if that effort succeeds at either 9th or SCOTUS level, obviously WA's ban will fall as well.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 09:51 PM (U/Byj)
Think you can get them to revoke that stupid law banning M-1 Garands, too? Or do I just keep praying for that mountain next to Olympia to blow?
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 09:51 PM (U/Byj)
Think you can get them to revoke that stupid law banning M-1 Garands, too? Or do I just keep praying for that mountain next to Olympia to blow?
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 09:53 PM (LjAsy)
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Guns!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 09, 2025 09:54 PM (xcxpd)
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Posted by: rhomboid at
Whoot! So freaking stupid. People who want to kill a whole lotta other people don’t care about mag limits. Really? Just like they don’t care about “weapon free zones”.
Who tf are we kidding here? Laws only affect the law abiding. Not the criminals. JFC.
Whoot! So freaking stupid. People who want to kill a whole lotta other people don’t care about mag limits. Really? Just like they don’t care about “weapon free zones”.
Who tf are we kidding here? Laws only affect the law abiding. Not the criminals. JFC.
Posted by: nurse ratched at November 09, 2025 09:55 PM (ya/XM)
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Range report....well, apparently my PSA Dagger aggravates my Glock Knuckle. So I switched to my Church Gun (PSA Micro Dagger/G43x). That does not aggravate my shooting hand knuckle.
Fucking arthritis, amirite?
Anyway, recent testing shows that I have a lot of alternate EDC options but...this is aggravating as I do like the PSA Dagger and shoot it well.
Fucking arthritis, amirite?
Anyway, recent testing shows that I have a lot of alternate EDC options but...this is aggravating as I do like the PSA Dagger and shoot it well.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 09, 2025 09:56 PM (xcxpd)
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249 And if that effort succeeds at either 9th or SCOTUS level, obviously WA's ban will fall as well.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 09:51 PM (U/Byj)
Think you can get them to revoke that stupid law banning M-1 Garands, too? Or do I just keep praying for that mountain next to Olympia to blow?
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 09:53 PM (LjAsy)
Is the Garand banned in WA state? I didn't think so...I know ARs are, more or less.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2025 09:51 PM (U/Byj)
Think you can get them to revoke that stupid law banning M-1 Garands, too? Or do I just keep praying for that mountain next to Olympia to blow?
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 09:53 PM (LjAsy)
Is the Garand banned in WA state? I didn't think so...I know ARs are, more or less.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 09, 2025 09:57 PM (xcxpd)
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Was screwing around on the web a few nights ago looking at AR parts and came across some wild deal on bare flat top AR uppers at Bravo company. They say blems, might have a scratch. All the reviews from people who bought them are saying they're perfect, work like a charm, can't find scratches, etc. $49 with the door and forward assist. I thought that was pretty much a give away.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 09, 2025 09:57 PM (snZF9)
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I'd forgotten what IL did to AR-style rifle sales. We're here each spring and fall for a while, and I travel with guns, so I go to a nearby indoor range when here. It's a gun shop between its rifle and pistol sides, with guns on walls. I looked and said, "don't you guys sell sporting rifles anymore?" They told me about the list. The displays however were loaded with semiauto handguns with 15 round mags. I said I feel safer already.
Posted by: M. Gaga at November 09, 2025 09:58 PM (zeLd4)
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Jebus, Whig knows stuff...hope you heal up man.
Prayers locked in on you.
Prayers locked in on you.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 09, 2025 10:02 PM (xcxpd)
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Is the M1 Garand the only clip-loaded semiauto rifle? Or pistol?
Posted by: M. Gaga at November 09, 2025 10:03 PM (zeLd4)
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Is the Garand banned in WA state? I didn't think so...I know ARs are, more or less.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 09, 2025 09:57 PM (xcxpd)
Yes. It is specifically listed in their book, among the ARs and such. By name.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 09, 2025 09:57 PM (xcxpd)
Yes. It is specifically listed in their book, among the ARs and such. By name.
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 10:03 PM (LjAsy)
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254 Was screwing around on the web a few nights ago looking at AR parts and came across some wild deal on bare flat top AR uppers at Bravo company. They say blems, might have a scratch. All the reviews from people who bought them are saying they're perfect, work like a charm, can't find scratches, etc. $49 with the door and forward assist. I thought that was pretty much a give away.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 09, 2025 09:57 PM (snZF9)
I have some BCM 'blem' items. I can't see the flaws.
I suspect they are trying to get guns and gun parts into civilian hands. Good on them.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 09, 2025 09:57 PM (snZF9)
I have some BCM 'blem' items. I can't see the flaws.
I suspect they are trying to get guns and gun parts into civilian hands. Good on them.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 09, 2025 10:03 PM (xcxpd)
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258 Is the Garand banned in WA state? I didn't think so...I know ARs are, more or less.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 09, 2025 09:57 PM (xcxpd)
Yes. It is specifically listed in their book, among the ARs and such. By name.
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 10:03 PM (LjAsy)
grrr
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 09, 2025 09:57 PM (xcxpd)
Yes. It is specifically listed in their book, among the ARs and such. By name.
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 10:03 PM (LjAsy)
grrr
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 09, 2025 10:04 PM (xcxpd)
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And, yes, we been NOODed by ONT.
Posted by: GWB at November 09, 2025 10:04 PM (LjAsy)
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257 Is the M1 Garand the only clip-loaded semiauto rifle? Or pistol?
Posted by: M. Gaga at November 09, 2025 10:03 PM (zeLd4)
No and no. Partly thanks to Kel-Tec and their new (unreliable) 5.7 pistol.
Posted by: M. Gaga at November 09, 2025 10:03 PM (zeLd4)
No and no. Partly thanks to Kel-Tec and their new (unreliable) 5.7 pistol.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 09, 2025 10:05 PM (xcxpd)
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I harvested a doe this morning here in Texas with a sporterized 03-A3. Used hand-loaded 30-06 ammo (Speer 150 grains over 47 grains of IMR 4064. The tenderloins and heart were dinner tonight. Just finishing a cigar by the campfire.
Loved the thread tonight. Seems like I checked some of the boxes that were discussed tonight. Thanks from this lurker.
Loved the thread tonight. Seems like I checked some of the boxes that were discussed tonight. Thanks from this lurker.
Posted by: Jackdaddy63 at November 09, 2025 10:58 PM (B1ZAk)
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