Dick Cheney Dead at 84

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Former Vice President Dick Cheney Dies at 84 from Heart Complications
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Dick Cheney, the influential vice president under George W. Bush and key architect of the post-9/11 war on terror, died on November 3, 2025, at his Virginia home due to complications from pneumonia and cardiac disease, surrounded by family including his wife Lynne and daughters Liz and Mary. His five-decade career featured roles as White House chief of staff under Gerald Ford, Wyoming congressman, defense secretary overseeing the 1991 Gulf War, and vice president pushing the 2003 Iraq invasion and Patriot Act expansions. Cheney's legacy includes praise for bolstering U.S. security amid criticism over the human toll of post-9/11 wars, estimated at over 940,000 direct deaths by Brown University's Costs of War project.

Although obituaries identify Cheney as a rock-ribbed Republican, of course he became a progressive Democrat in the last ten years of his life.

Cheney suffered from heart disease for decades and fell out of favor among many Republicans in the Trump era, even famously casting a vote in the 2024 election for Democrat Kamala Harris after a long feud with America's 47th president.

Ed Morrissey sums up Cheney's legacy.

Republicans also transformed, in part because of the failure of Cheney's efforts to change the world through democratic reforms imposed by American arms. Referred to as "neoconservative" both then and now, it required the same kind of global engagement and massive resource expenditures, only to not just fail but also backfire in key ways. Cheney certainly didn't intend the failures, and there were some significant successes too, such as the way in which our forward strategy against terrorists prevented more attacks on the American homeland, at least on the scale of 9/11. Cheney never tired of pointing that out, and with justification.
Still, the impossibility of that overall mission became clear, and with it the costs of failure. Put together with rising resentment over poorly managed "free trade" with China and other countries that got shrugged off as the costs for the net benefits of globalization, populists demanded a party that focused on the working class and their concerns, as well as a return to an America-centric policy set. That opened the door for Donald Trump, who flirted with a presidential run in 2011 only to commit four years later. He blew more than a dozen Republican politicians of the older order out of the water, because Trump spoke to voters who had found themselves marginalized when both parties embraced "globalization" over support for American workers.

Accurate. Cheney embraced an unapologetic, no-hedging, no reaching-across-the-aisle, no compromise "strong form" of neoconservatism, meaning there was no hiding its failure when it failed.

He could not blame-shift or claim that "Real Neoconservatism has never been tried" or that he only got to implement half of the neocon foreign policy, and we'd have to implement the full 100% to determine if it worked or not.

It was tried, we implemented 100% of it, and it failed so spectacularly that former neocons such as myself (and many of you) turned away forcefully, permanently, and in revulsion.

Which did have the salubrious effect of ushering in a new theory of government and foreign policy -- which largely was the refurbishing of an old theory -- personified in the unlikely avatar of a loudmouth real estate tycoon from Queens, NY.

At least in that respect, Cheney provided a service. Political questions are rarely tested in such laboratory-perfect sort of experiment, and Cheney finally put unapologetic neoconservatism to the acid test and delivered us all the results. They were not the results we wanted, but they were the results we needed.

Alas, many Americans died trying to vindicate the now-obviously-absurd political claim that we can or should attempt to politically and culturally transform backwards and barbaric societies, hundreds or even thousands of years away from reaching modernity organically, by sending in a several tens of thousands of American fighters to trade bullets and bodies with savages and terrorists for a decade.

We tried. It may be called a Nobel Failure, or just a failure. It was a costly failure in terms of money and precious Americans' lives (and limbs) lost. It failed, and now we know.

As I've never stopped regretting: We elected George W. Bush and Dick Cheney on the theory that the military exists for war-fighting and destroying the enemy, not to serve as armed Social Engineers and Progressive Reformers to advance primitive societies. We elected them to make sure that Bill Clinton's folly in Haiti -- which involved 25,000 "peace keepers" -- would never be repeated. The US military would henceforth be deployed only to destroy an enemy and secure an advantage for the US, not to "nation build" failed or backwards states barely removed from the Dark Ages.

Instead, we wound up being signed up for a decade-plus of nation-building on a scale that Bill Clinton would have blanched at.

Bill Clinton played around with using the US armed forces as an evangelizing force for progressivism. Dick Cheney took Bill Clinton's early experiments and made them into the central animating theory of US foreign policy.

Dick Cheney tested the limits of overwhelming American military might and to our great regret, he found those limits, at enormous loss of American life.

RIP to Dick Cheney and more importantly, RIP to neoconservatism, nation-building, and chasing our tails around the world in pursuit of absurd utopian goals like "bringing freedom to Islam" and bringing reform and democracy to those who "hate our values."

JUST IN - Dick Cheney, the 46th vice president of U.S. has died aged 84. pic.twitter.com/P0dLJA7rRd
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) November 4, 2025

It's election day in America. I hope for the best, but I'm prepared for the worst.

How about you? What are your guesses on:

NYC Mayor?

Va AG?

Va Gov?

NJ Gov?

I think maybe California's gerrymandering proposition, Prop 50, goes to the polls today as well. It's expected to pass by 8-10 points.

My own guesses:

The Communist Hamas terrorist wins.

In VA, Miyares wins the AG slot, which is important because Virginia will not be suing Trump over every little thing, and I think he can keep a lid on more forced transgenderism in school.

I don't have similar hopes for the governor slot. Winsome Earle-Sears has been behind by 5-10 points throughout the whole election season.

In NJ... I'm optimistic. I think Ciatterelli could pull out the win. But I'm not confident. NJ is a corrupt state.

Posted by: Ace at 12:10 PM

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1 Can I play with madness?
The prophet stared at his crystal ball
Do you wanna know the truth, son?
Lord, I'll tell you the truth ...

BLADE IS FIRST

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 04, 2025 12:09 PM (iFTx/)

2 It was a costly failure in terms of money
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Not for everyone.

Posted by: ... at November 04, 2025 12:11 PM (1fd8X)

3 I'm pretty nonplused by his demise.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 04, 2025 12:12 PM (Q4IgG)

4 On the plus side, Cheney did shoot a lawyer in the face.

Posted by: proudvastrightwingguy at November 04, 2025 12:12 PM (MNCvZ)

5 Too bad we couldn't work a But Mostly in there. But it wouldn't be couthed.

Posted by: ... at November 04, 2025 12:13 PM (1fd8X)

6 well, rip to him and condolences for his family.

but beyond that, ...

i wonder if i should put up the new shelving today...

Posted by: Sturmtoddler at November 04, 2025 12:13 PM (v6XNT)

7 >>>5 Too bad we couldn't work a But Mostly in there. But it wouldn't be couthed.

hm, I forgot that old joke

Posted by: ace at November 04, 2025 12:14 PM (1wjle)

8 He got over 13 extra years with Trayvon Martin's heart, so it was money well spent.

Posted by: toby928(c) at November 04, 2025 12:14 PM (jc0TO)

9 As far as the election goes, the communists will win in places full of communists.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 04, 2025 12:14 PM (snZF9)

10 i wonder if i should put up the new shelving today...
Posted by: Sturmtoddler

I know someone who can help you with that...

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:14 PM (77rzZ)

11 even famously casting a vote in the 2024 election for Democrat Kamala Harris after a long feud with America's 47th president.

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Vote Kamala and Die! A helluva campaign slogan!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Oh yeah? Well, You're Another One! at November 04, 2025 12:14 PM (L/fGl)

12 Sure to be a bang up funeral.

Posted by: IYKWIM at November 04, 2025 12:14 PM (zhr8b)

13 Look if you get to be VP, you re gonna be tempted to shoot someone. Or have them shot. It happens.

Posted by: LBJ at November 04, 2025 12:15 PM (kzh9f)

14 Willowed:
242 >> Texas and Florida are FINE right now!

Texas is nearly majority non-white. Under 18 it is majority non-white. Texas is not fine. Demographics is destiny.

_-_

Demographics is destiny.

Posted by: Don in SoCo at November 04, 2025 12:15 PM (vd6bO)

15 As for the elections:
The Democrats will win enough to claim that it proves "the public" supports them over Trump and use that as an excuse to keep the government closed while their media sycophants echo that claim to try and swing opinion against the GOP.

Posted by: proudvastrightwingguy at November 04, 2025 12:15 PM (MNCvZ)

16 I am afraid that Hillary Rodham Spanberger will be Virginia's next Governor.

Posted by: Daniel Simpson Day at November 04, 2025 12:15 PM (sEFA3)

17 God's will be done, regardless of who wins.

As for Cheney, I hope he repented before he died.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 04, 2025 12:15 PM (22p5n)

18 Dick is dead.

If NJ and VA were not so corrupt, I think both Jack and Winsome would win.

I am optimistic. Hoping for miracles

Posted by: Czech Chick at November 04, 2025 12:15 PM (vK/Ja)

19 Myu polling place here in NoVa was empty at 1030. I don't know what to make of that.

I also find it simply unbelievable that nominally functioning adults will stand in front of a polling place and announce to the world that Jay Jones is their choice for AG.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 04, 2025 12:16 PM (Riz8t)

20 Diane Ladd has just died too, age 89. I'm more sad to see her passing. I always liked her.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 04, 2025 12:16 PM (qBdHI)

21 Read the whole post.
RIP to the man, peace to his family. Now go away.

Posted by: Corona_Exile at November 04, 2025 12:16 PM (gj5vL)

22 I am ready for post mortem! On the NY and VA elections that is.

Posted by: runner at November 04, 2025 12:16 PM (g47mK)

23 12 Sure to be a bang up funeral.
+++

And high caliber.

Posted by: Oh, no... at November 04, 2025 12:16 PM (zhr8b)

24 >>>Myu polling place here in NoVa was empty at 1030. I don't know what to make of that.

possibly good-ish news...?

Posted by: ace at November 04, 2025 12:16 PM (1wjle)

25 It's all about turning out our voters. Is there a good GOTV effort going on?

Posted by: toby928(c) at November 04, 2025 12:16 PM (jc0TO)

26 I've been rooting for the entire Cheney Cabal to DIAF, but this will have to do as a start.

Posted by: Piss On Grave at November 04, 2025 12:16 PM (oftw2)

27 NJ is already apparently receiving bomb threats at polling places, though it's split as it's right leaving Toms River and left leaning Patterson.

In 2024 Democrats claimed republicans would make threats, but we know Democrats just accuse others of exactly what Democrats are doing. It's a perfect plan for Dems. You can suppress turnout in republican areas where votes matter, while also claiming to be victims in areas where votes don't matter, as historically Dems just stuffed ballots there (places like Paterson, Newark, Camden, and all of Hudson Country) They'll then demand extended voting hours, which allows them to fabricated the needed votes in those extra 2 hours.

All voting "irregularities" benefit Democrats since they control the process in these states.

Posted by: Rbastid at November 04, 2025 12:17 PM (ogHZD)

28 I was hoping for a funny obit bit from Ace...

Posted by: garrett at November 04, 2025 12:17 PM (UDyAS)

29 Myu polling place here in NoVa was empty at 1030. I don't know what to make of that.
Posted by: Archimedes

I voted between 0900 and 0930. It was busier than I expected.

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:17 PM (77rzZ)

30 Adios Dick.

Posted by: Minnfidel at November 04, 2025 12:17 PM (ewjUl)

31 >> If NJ and VA were not so corrupt, I think both Jack and Winsome would win.

Elections in VA are a lost cause. The GOP ran a foreigner, which guaranteed they’d lose, and they knew it.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at November 04, 2025 12:17 PM (l3YAf)

32 Diane Ladd, June Lockhart, Cheney. We have our trifecta.

Posted by: toby928(c) at November 04, 2025 12:17 PM (jc0TO)

33 See Dick die.

Posted by: Minnfidel at November 04, 2025 12:18 PM (ewjUl)

34 >>Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 04, 2025 12:09 PM (iFTx/)

Up the Irons!

(Love that LP)

Posted by: garrett at November 04, 2025 12:18 PM (UDyAS)

35 >>>25 It's all about turning out our voters. Is there a good GOTV effort going on?

scott presler is claiming good turnout in Republican areas in NJ. To Tucker Carlson's absolute horror, a long line of orthodox jews are outside the voting booths. The orthodox leadership has endorsed Ciattarelli.

Posted by: ace at November 04, 2025 12:18 PM (1wjle)

36

There's nothing like being sent out on a do or die mission and then having the rug pulled out from underneath you when things get messy.

Posted by: pawn at November 04, 2025 12:18 PM (sPsWv)

37
Dick Cheney goes onto the ash heap of history

Posted by: Frank Barone at November 04, 2025 12:18 PM (IifOV)

38 I predict the funnest thing about this thread will be the lawyer shot in the face jokes.

Also timing Dick? Couldn't he have kept ticking long enough to interrupt Clinton's soon to be funeral.

Posted by: DaveA at November 04, 2025 12:18 PM (FhXTo)

39 And Cheney went the way of all Uniparty "neoconservatives" - by ending up endorsing Democrats for President.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 04, 2025 12:18 PM (xTIDn)

40 Myu polling place here in NoVa was empty at 1030. I don't know what to make of that.
Posted by: Archimedes

I voted between 0900 and 0930. It was busier than I expected.

Well, there you have it folks. It's a clear message from the electorate.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 04, 2025 12:18 PM (Riz8t)

41 It's election day in America. I hope for the best, but I'm prepared for the worst.

I know who I voted for today...

Posted by: Zomvie Dick Cheney at November 04, 2025 12:19 PM (60OBK)

42 I am afraid that Hillary Rodham Spanberger will be Virginia's next Governor.
Posted by: Daniel Simpson Day

And some Mideast/Subcontinent dame as Lieut. Gov.

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:19 PM (77rzZ)

43 Although obituaries identify Cheney as a rock-ribbed Republican, of course he became a progressive Democrat in the last ten years of his life.

You could almost say he had "a change of heart." Very appropriate...

I'll see my way out....

Posted by: Moron Analyst at November 04, 2025 12:19 PM (JCZqz)

44 I also find it simply unbelievable that nominally functioning adults will stand in front of a polling place and announce to the world that Jay Jones is their choice for AG.
Posted by: Archimedes at November 04, 2025 12:16 PM (Riz8t)

The Dems cast their ballots through early voting. They love Jay Jones.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at November 04, 2025 12:19 PM (l3YAf)

45
He tried to get Scooter Libby pardoned and he broke with Bush on globull warmening. They supposedly didn't communicate after they left the white house.

So, props to him for probably experiencing teeth- grinding frustration with Bush.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia's Phone at November 04, 2025 12:19 PM (n7rxJ)

46 As for Cheney, I hope he repented before he died.
Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 04, 2025 12:15 PM (22p5n)

That was the best thing I could think about a scumbag I know who just died, so I hear you.

Posted by: ... at November 04, 2025 12:19 PM (1fd8X)

47 Elections in VA are a lost cause. The GOP ran a foreigner, which guaranteed they’d lose, and they knew it.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at November 04, 2025 12:17 PM

Isn't Sears the Lt. Governor now? How do those two things reconcile?

Posted by: toby928(c) at November 04, 2025 12:19 PM (jc0TO)

48 Remember the Three Core Principles of True Conservatism:

1) Unlimited Immigration

2) Endless Wars

3) Lower Corporate Income Tax Rates

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 04, 2025 12:20 PM (xTIDn)

49 Dick Cheney, Formerly Hitler, Dies at 84

Posted by: SMOD at November 04, 2025 12:20 PM (RHGPo)

50 48 Remember the Three Core Principles of True Conservatism:

1) Unlimited Immigration

2) Endless Wars

3) Lower Corporate Income Tax Rates
_-_

Sadly correct.

Posted by: Don in SoCo at November 04, 2025 12:20 PM (vd6bO)

51 NJ is horribly corrupt and the weasel witch running on the D side is even worse. We can hope JACK pulls it out. But fake bomb scares in swing areas can't be helpful.

Posted by: Indy Bill at November 04, 2025 12:20 PM (iKLKd)

52 Dick Cheney, Formerly Hitler, Dies at 84

Who is the new Hitler-In-Waiting?

Posted by: Archimedes at November 04, 2025 12:21 PM (Riz8t)

53 Virginia has become something of a "political buffer" for the capitol city. You don't want icky conservatives running a state near the seat of national power, do you?

The CIA doesn't think so.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 04, 2025 12:21 PM (Q4IgG)

54 RIP Richard "Elmer" Cheney.

Posted by: t-bird at November 04, 2025 12:21 PM (60OBK)

55 He's gonna need a lot of pall-bearers to carry his coffin. All that gravitas is heavy.

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:21 PM (77rzZ)

56 I think you're right that Miyares beats Jones but the rest? I don't think so. There have been bomb threats at polling places and voting machine shenanigans all over the place, and that's just what we can see in real-time. The cheat is too big to beat.

Posted by: troyriser at November 04, 2025 12:21 PM (DPeYO)

57 Isn't Sears the Lt. Governor now? How do those two things reconcile?
Posted by: toby928(c) at November 04, 2025 12:19 PM (jc0TO)

Nobody cares about Lt. Gov, just like nobody cares about who is VP. Lose-some-Sears rode Youngkin’s coattails.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at November 04, 2025 12:21 PM (l3YAf)

58
Virginia is a lost cause. Too many fed/gov workers to overcome.

Posted by: Frank Barone at November 04, 2025 12:21 PM (IifOV)

59 RIP to Cheney. I wonder if the sitting POTUS will be asked to speak at his funeral.

Posted by: jmel at November 04, 2025 12:21 PM (RWHIh)

60 He lived a long time with his portable defibrillator...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 04, 2025 12:21 PM (ynpvh)

61 Say goodnight Dick.
Goodnight Dick!

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at November 04, 2025 12:21 PM (wBaIH)

62 Liz Cheney ruined my view of Dick Cheney forever.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 04, 2025 12:21 PM (eQmnE)

63 He died doing what he loved.

Posted by: ... at November 04, 2025 12:21 PM (1fd8X)

64 "It was tried, we implemented 100% of it, and it failed so spectacularly that former neocons such as myself (and many of you) turned away forcefully, permanently, and in revulsion."

Yes and no. I'm not sure what we got was what was promised.

Reagan was basically a neocon as that term was originally used. Neocon theory itself is not controversial to conservatives: strong military, pro-America foreign policy, steady domestic growth, reduced welfare, etc. All those were very successful (and still are)

What wasn't originally part of neocon theory was what was grafted on later and ultimately killed the entire movement: endless nation-building in feral, savage countries that wouldn't know democracy if it crawled up their ass and died there.

It was the nation-building, at insane expense in blood and treasure, that gave "neocon" such a (deservedly) bad rap. But that wasn't part of the original theory. That part was grafted on by MIC and countless other annelid profiteers and grifters eager to get rich from endless nation-building.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 04, 2025 12:22 PM (iFTx/)

65 59 RIP to Cheney. I wonder if the sitting POTUS will be asked to speak at his funeral.

Posted by: jmel at November 04, 2025 12:21 PM (RWHIh)

Won't it clash with John McCain's ongoing funeral?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 04, 2025 12:22 PM (ynpvh)

66 I think the response to 9/11 seemed justified at the time. They tried managing ME with commerce, both Cheney and Bush were oil men with deep , deep ties to the ME. But they were not smart enough to realize that just because they were lining their pockets, it somehow translated into a security umbrella for the US. They thought that hanging out with ME sheiks, selling them weapons and buying their oil would lead to US security. But betrayal of the scale of 9/11 bit them in the ass. So they responded in kind. I don't exactly regret that, but too many smelled billions and prolonged the bloody engagement.

Posted by: runner at November 04, 2025 12:22 PM (g47mK)

67 and so the rehabilitation of Darth Cheney begins.

Apropos of nothing, I went long in the markets overnight and I am taking it up the keister. Oh well, I've had a month of wins so the worm was bound to turn.

Posted by: toby928(c) at November 04, 2025 12:22 PM (jc0TO)

68 Thanks Ace

I was no fan of Cheney but unlike many lefties I’m not comfortable dancing on someone’s grave. Iraq nation building was a disaster…. I naively supported it at the time. Now…. Seeing W Bush featured on MNF last night almost had me vomiting…. The net negative toll of the Bush family on the US is substantial

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 04, 2025 12:22 PM (GVQFY)

69
Bill Kristol is holding Cheney's old shirt and weaping uncontrollably.

"I can't quit you"

Posted by: Frank Barone at November 04, 2025 12:22 PM (IifOV)

70 58
Virginia is a lost cause. Too many fed/gov workers to overcome.
_-_
Which kinda suggests a certain strategy, don't it?

Posted by: Don in SoCo at November 04, 2025 12:22 PM (vd6bO)

71 So fra away from Pride Month.

Sorry, Liz.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at November 04, 2025 12:22 PM (Y+jbb)

72 Hey Bird Dog get off of my quail.

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 04, 2025 12:22 PM (pUAzX)

73 Cheney suffered from heart disease for decades and fell out of favor among many Republicans in the Trump era,

even famously casting a vote in the 2024 election for Democrat Kamala Harris after a long feud with America's 47th president.

That's a pussy move.

Posted by: rickb223 Acehole Extraordinaire coined by JSpicy at November 04, 2025 12:23 PM (/awz+)

74 It was tried, we implemented 100% of it, and...

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I don't know, I guess it depends on the words we choose. "We" got off on the wrong foot when "we" decided to use the term "War On Terror". We couldn't/wouldn't even name an *enemy*. The enemy was Islam. The enemy is still Islam, and with it Marxism.

But I digress. There never should have been any intent to "nation build"--we should have destroyed Iraq, and then we should have exited....right thru Iran and destroyed them too.

I feel very badly about all of the good American men and women who gave their lives for a "war" that was never focused on an enemy, and never properly defined what winning would look like. I voted "Republican" because to do otherwise would have been surrender. But Bush and Cheney were clueless architects of an effort that should never have been pursued.

Posted by: Crusader at November 04, 2025 12:23 PM (TN0g+)

75 >> Reagan was basically a neocon as that term was originally used.

Reagan’s amnesty turned California permanently blue.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at November 04, 2025 12:23 PM (l3YAf)

76 I stole this oldie from someone more talented, smarter and cleverer than I

"Dick Cheney has repeatedly pressed for Congressional resolutions banning torture, because it’s not as fun if it’s legal."

Posted by: Kindltot at November 04, 2025 12:23 PM (rbvCR)

77 His gravestone should read “Dick Cheney, War Criminal and Profiteer”.

Posted by: Good Riddance at November 04, 2025 12:23 PM (GcPNx)

78 Based on how crowded my polling place was and the composition of the people voting, predominantly women, I'm predicting Mikie Sherrel wins in a walk.

I can't believe raising sales tax is something that's actually on the table in NJ, but apparently people in the Garden State are gagging to have their sales tax raised.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 04, 2025 12:24 PM (XV/Pl)

79 72 Hey Bird Dog get off of my quail.
_-_
That's the first song I remember hearing in my youth.

Posted by: Don in SoCo at November 04, 2025 12:24 PM (vd6bO)

80 Reagan’s amnesty turned California permanently blue.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at November 04, 2025 12:23 PM (l3YAf)

Jerry Brown and the Dem machine had a lot to do with that.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 04, 2025 12:24 PM (rbvCR)

81 Ok.

I think he was one of the more competent and active Vice Presidents we had. He certainly got a lot of shit but then, he was a Republican in the era of unrestrained Prog media.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 04, 2025 12:24 PM (xcxpd)

82 Diane Ladd, June Lockhart, Cheney. We have our trifecta.
Posted by: toby928(c) at November 04, 2025 12:17 PM (jc0TO)

I read that at first as Diane Lane and was, like, nooooooooo.

Whew!

Posted by: one hour sober at November 04, 2025 12:24 PM (Y1sOo)

83 Texas is nearly majority non-white. Under 18 it is majority non-white. Texas is not fine. Demographics is destiny.

That’s based on the assumption that Hispanics are “not white”. So Ted Cruz is a racial minority?

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 04, 2025 12:24 PM (eQmnE)

84
It may be called a Nobel Failure, or just a failure.

He was no prize.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 04, 2025 12:25 PM (pkeXY)

85 RIP Sodomizing Cougar Man.

Posted by: toby928(c) at November 04, 2025 12:25 PM (jc0TO)

86 Reagan was not a fucking neocon. Neocons welcome their stupid dumbfuck communism with open arms. The Bushes are dictionary fag neocons.

Posted by: ... at November 04, 2025 12:25 PM (1fd8X)

87 That was the best thing I could think about a scumbag I know who just died, so I hear you.
Posted by: ...
__

I'm still working through the cluster that was the GWOT, which he profited handsomely from.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 04, 2025 12:25 PM (22p5n)

88 Reagan’s amnesty turned California permanently blue.
_-_
Demographics is Destiny.

Posted by: Mister Broken Record Over Here at November 04, 2025 12:25 PM (vd6bO)

89 I can't believe raising sales tax is something that's actually on the table in NJ, but apparently people in the Garden State are gagging to have their sales tax raised.

If you don't want to get blamed for it, you put it on the ballot and count on your nameless and blameless election workers.

Posted by: t-bird at November 04, 2025 12:26 PM (60OBK)

90 83 Texas is nearly majority non-white. Under 18 it is majority non-white. Texas is not fine. Demographics is destiny.

That’s based on the assumption that Hispanics are “not white”. So Ted Cruz is a racial minority?

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 04, 2025 12:24 PM (eQmnE)

Whites are the largest minority in Kalifornia...there is no majority (and yes, hispanics are counted separately...)

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 04, 2025 12:26 PM (ynpvh)

91 Good afternoon Ace and everyone
He left us his evil spawn

Posted by: Skip at November 04, 2025 12:26 PM (KXwoU)

92 91 Good afternoon Ace and everyone
He left us his evil spawn
Posted by: Skip at November 04, 2025 12:26 PM (KXwoU)

That is true, his legacy sucks ass in every sense

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 04, 2025 12:26 PM (xcxpd)

93 Mrs. Rabbit: Thumper!
Young Thumper: Yes, mama?
Mrs. Rabbit: What did your father tell you this morning?
Young Thumper: If you can't say something nice, don't say nothing at all.

Posted by: Chuck C at November 04, 2025 12:26 PM (0GLZr)

94 Afternoon Ace
Someone once said that when people like Cheney as they are in their last years become much more liberal because they want to be "nice " and get into heaven. Acting like a Dem isn't "nice"

Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 04, 2025 12:26 PM (Sm0sq)

95 Good post.

Posted by: eleven at November 04, 2025 12:27 PM (fV+MH)

96 What wasn't originally part of neocon theory was what was grafted on later and ultimately killed the entire movement: endless nation-building in feral, savage countries that wouldn't know democracy if it crawled up their ass and died there.

It was the nation-building, at insane expense in blood and treasure, that gave "neocon" such a (deservedly) bad rap. But that wasn't part of the original theory. That part was grafted on by MIC and countless other annelid profiteers and grifters eager to get rich from endless nation-building.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 04, 2025 12:22 PM (iFTx/)

Agree. The way to manage those feral, savage countries is to conquer them, exterminate the most feral among them, and install a puppet government.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 04, 2025 12:27 PM (npFr7)

97 I read that at first as Diane Lane and was, like, nooooooooo.

Whew!
Posted by: one hour sober

I read it the same way when I first saw the headline yesterday. And had the same reaction.

Diane Lane is/was a definite 1.

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:27 PM (77rzZ)

98 Acting like a Dem isn't "nice"
___

Just the opposite.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 04, 2025 12:27 PM (22p5n)

99 I call "shotgun" in the hearse.

Posted by: Satan at November 04, 2025 12:27 PM (cHOHf)

100 That’s based on the assumption that Hispanics are “not white”. So Ted Cruz is a racial minority?
Posted by: Tom Servo

If you didn't see a picture of him and just went off his last name, would he qualify for government programs?

Posted by: rickb223 Acehole Extraordinaire coined by JSpicy at November 04, 2025 12:28 PM (/awz+)

101
There's also a consequential but nonsuspenseful election for Minneapolis mayor today. A socialist Somalian Muslim is set to unseat the incumbent idiot Jacob Frey, whose role in sanctifying George Floyd and promoting BLM has probably not been fully appreciated yet.

One can only laugh at how frustrated he must feel after all the pandering he's done.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia's Phone at November 04, 2025 12:28 PM (n7rxJ)

102 sorry just popping in but major major fuck up in Chester County here with ALL the independent and third party voters somehow having been PURGED from our rolls!?!?!?

so they all have to now vote provisionally and ChesCo is saying it will take like two weeks to count them. which I mean, count whatever they want to count, unbelievable

plus it took forever for each person trying to vote so the lines were looooooooong. it was a total cluster....

totally on purpose. I guess accidentally not including Republicans would have been too obvious so they went after Indies.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 04, 2025 12:28 PM (emBoF)

103 Ace, can you re-post that article that you wrote years ago that included the scene of Cheney sodomizing a pitbull, after which the pitbull said "thank you"? That was gold...

Posted by: Kevin Canuck at November 04, 2025 12:29 PM (RUgsa)

104 When my dad cast his first vote, in 1938 Jersey City, he was told by the polling official, "you already voted, and so did your old man."

Frank Hague had been mayor since dad was a baby.

Posted by: M. Gaga at November 04, 2025 12:29 PM (zeLd4)

105 Liberal Virginians won't cast the vote for the symbolic/historic win of the first black female governor in Virginia. Virginia, the first slave state.

Obviously they are racist.

And I love Obama is so jealous of Mamdami (or can't control him) so he won't endorse him. Catfight!

Posted by: LizLem at November 04, 2025 12:29 PM (gWBY1)

106 Cheney's legacy includes praise for bolstering U.S. security amid criticism over the human toll of post-9/11 wars, estimated at over 940,000 direct deaths by Brown University's Costs of War project.

Huh. Why this guy is a piker compared to Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot. Yeah.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 04, 2025 12:29 PM (bss/y)

107 Texas is nearly majority non-white. Under 18 it is majority non-white. Texas is not fine. Demographics is destiny.

Enough Texas Hispanics are pro-Trump that the Bulwark said they should all be deported, including the legal citizens.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 04, 2025 12:29 PM (2ocoG)

108 Reagan’s biggest mistake was selecting George HW Bush as his running mate. Discuss… shoulda went with Senator Laxalt….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 04, 2025 12:30 PM (7lFSJ)

109 To the far let of the early-2000s era, the real villain was Cheney, not Bush.

I can still hear, ringing in my head after all these years, the most popular protest chant of that era, which might now seem incomprehensible to people who didn't live through early 2000s America:

"9/11 was an inside job
Orchestrated by the Cheney mob."

(The claim being that Dick Cheney was behind 9/11, so he could launch neo-conservative wars on brown people, and enrich his buddies with military cointracts.)

Posted by: zombie at November 04, 2025 12:30 PM (oraVG)

110 as was noted, he was honest with regard to what he wanted to do and how he wanted to do those things.

When he was in his heyday the hq was as big a cheney fan as anybody, even noting how cheney used a cougar as a condom. Do we have that in the sidebar anymore?

I was as much a fan as anybody then he betrayed everybody as did the bushes and every other fucking rino motherfucker.

sigh

Posted by: n at November 04, 2025 12:30 PM (Cew8e)

111 >> That’s based on the assumption that Hispanics are “not white”. So Ted Cruz is a racial minority?

Yes. And yes. He’s also Canadian.

The existence of conservative hispanics does not negate the fact that, as a group, hispanics have higher rates of welfare use, higher rates of crime, and a propensity to vote for Democrats.

You may be a color-blind person who doesn’t see race, but in a multi-ethnic communist country race sees you.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at November 04, 2025 12:30 PM (l3YAf)

112 From a Different Time in a Different Age: The Ace of Spades HQ Presents "Best of the Cool Facts About Dick Cheney" https://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=140366

An ocean of water has flowed under that bridge from 20 years ago.

Posted by: Blast Hardcheese at November 04, 2025 12:30 PM (V362x)

113 Instead of sending armies to force civilization onto savages, we should be sending Catholic missionaries to change their hearts! I'm sure that Leo . . . oh, nevermind. Conversion is not a priority of his.

Posted by: Pete in Texas at November 04, 2025 12:30 PM (BHrzb)

114 Reagan’s biggest mistake was selecting George HW Bush as his running mate. Discuss… shoulda went with Senator Laxalt….
Posted by: LinusVanPelt

Yep.

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:31 PM (77rzZ)

115 108 Reagan’s biggest mistake was selecting George HW Bush as his running mate. Discuss… shoulda went with Senator Laxalt….
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 04, 2025 12:30 PM (7lFSJ)

Agreed on this one. He had a gun to his head, but it was still a mistake. RWR made several big ones that reverberate to the present day, but this was one of the biggest.

Posted by: Darrell Harris - Je Suis Charlie at November 04, 2025 12:31 PM (+WzkQ)

116 anyway I think the judges here will be retained UGH

I think the CIA chick will win VA

obviously Mamdami is going to be mayor

hoping Elise and Jack manage to win. I think Jack can do it! there are shenanigans in NJ too.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 04, 2025 12:31 PM (emBoF)

117 Bush and Cheney were a joke, but the alternate was Gore and...the lady VP? I don't remember his VP choice. So it was the best of a bad lot.

Posted by: LizLem at November 04, 2025 12:32 PM (gWBY1)

118 Reagan’s biggest mistake was selecting George HW Bush as his running mate. Discuss… shoulda went with Senator Laxalt….

My understanding is the RNC forced HW on Reagan and was threatening to pull Democrat type bullshit ("superdelegates" and whatever else) to make him not the candidate otherwise.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 04, 2025 12:32 PM (2ocoG)

119 108 Reagan’s biggest mistake was selecting George HW Bush as his running mate. Discuss… shoulda went with Senator Laxalt….
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 04, 2025 12:30 PM (7lFSJ)

Bush was the Uniparty's hedge and restraint on Regan.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 04, 2025 12:32 PM (xcxpd)

120 What wasn't originally part of neocon theory was what was grafted on later and ultimately killed the entire movement: endless nation-building in feral, savage countries that wouldn't know democracy if it crawled up their ass and died there.

It was the nation-building, at insane expense in blood and treasure, that gave "neocon" such a (deservedly) bad rap. But that wasn't part of the original theory. That part was grafted on by MIC and countless other annelid profiteers and grifters eager to get rich from endless nation-building.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 04, 2025 12:22 PM (iFTx/)

Agree. The way to manage those feral, savage countries is to conquer them, exterminate the most feral among them, and install a puppet government.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 04, 2025 12:27 PM (npFr7)
_____

Yea, or just ignore them if they pose no threat to America. I think that's where "neocon" started going off the rails in the late 80s-early 90s when it became more interventionist. That too, I believe, was driven by profiteering and grift.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 04, 2025 12:32 PM (iFTx/)

121 I'm currently in my CT town's library, trying to go through spreadsheets to figure out whom to call to get them to vote in our local elections today.

We have a real chance to take the top slots back from the Dems, but it's a challenge getting people to vote in an off-year election - as important as this one is.

Man, this election day stuff is tough work.

Posted by: Darrell Harris - Je Suis Charlie at November 04, 2025 12:32 PM (+WzkQ)

122 W had the chance to remake the entire Middle East into a modern, secular democracy, back at least to where it was headed in the 60s.

Now, whether that was even possible is a different issue.

But, he chose endless war, false platitudes (Islam means peace) and lawyers (ROE)--the exact opposite of what it would have taken to have any chance to succeed.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 04, 2025 12:33 PM (HXT0k)

123 > "Which did have the salubrious effect of ushering in a new theory of government and foreign policy -- which largely was the refurbishing of an old theory -- personified in the unlikely avatar of a loudmouth real estate tycoon from Queens, NY."

Don't leave me hanging. What is this refurbished old theory?

Posted by: Don't blame the alligators at November 04, 2025 12:33 PM (1Nv0l)

124 We tried. It may be called a Nobel Failure, or just a failure.

-

One of the biggest Nobel failures occurred in 2009.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at November 04, 2025 12:33 PM (0U5gm)

125 Back on 9/12/2001 everybody was super glad that Bush and his people were in charge. I think people forget that for decades it was common US policy to ignore jihadi terrorist attack after jihadi terrorist attack on US interests, US personnel ,and US embassies; jihadis and their paymasters in the ME were so convinced that nothing will happen to them, that they became bolder and bolder, and deadlier and deadlier. If that 4th plane was not taken down in PA, might have hit the Capitol Building. Total jihad. I am glad that the US , as clumsy as it was, re-established deterrence. Reminded the world that yes, we will send deadly force to far away places to fkign kill those who bring death to us.

Posted by: runner at November 04, 2025 12:33 PM (g47mK)

126 Hey. Some of those mexicans are pure spanish or pretty pure. Some of them mated with eskimoes.

Posted by: thug dolphin at November 04, 2025 12:33 PM (EyfuW)

127 >>>Diane Lane is/was a definite 1.

Sex on a stick

Posted by: one hour sober at November 04, 2025 12:33 PM (Y1sOo)

128 My understanding is the RNC forced HW on Reagan and was threatening to pull Democrat type bullshit ("superdelegates" and whatever else) to make him not the candidate otherwise.
Posted by: Ian S.

And Jerry Ford was trying to get on the ticket, too. Which I think would've been worse for Reagan's two terms than Bush was.

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:34 PM (77rzZ)

129 I hate that this site is unsearchable. I am unable to find the "Night of the Rampaging Cougar-Man" post.

Posted by: toby928(c) at November 04, 2025 12:34 PM (jc0TO)

130 Time to winter prep the car: Load up the wool blankets, shovels, kitty litter, emergency candles, pemmican. Fresh duct tape on the exterior body panels to keep them from falling off.

Posted by: gp at November 04, 2025 12:34 PM (7imtn)

131 W had the chance to remake the entire Middle East into a modern, secular democracy, back at least to where it was headed in the 60s.

Now, whether that was even possible is a different issue.

But, he chose endless war, false platitudes (Islam means peace) and lawyers (ROE)--the exact opposite of what it would have taken to have any chance to succeed.

yeah it is the benefit of hindsight

Posted by: n at November 04, 2025 12:34 PM (Cew8e)

132 Reagan’s biggest mistake was selecting George HW Bush as his running mate. Discuss… shoulda went with Senator Laxalt….
Posted by: LinusVanPelt

If Reagan didn't pick Bush, we would have seen an earlier version of Trump's first term.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at November 04, 2025 12:35 PM (0U5gm)

133 Joe Lieberman was Al Gore’s running mate in 2000…. I think Lieberman would be a Republican today. He certainly would not fit in today’s Dem party….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 04, 2025 12:35 PM (7lFSJ)

134 Bush and Cheney were a joke, but the alternate was Gore and...the lady VP? I don't remember his VP choice. So it was the best of a bad lot.

Gore/Lieberman, or "Sore/Loserman" in the proto-memes of the times.

Imagine how today's Democrat base would react to an obviously Jewish VP.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 04, 2025 12:35 PM (2ocoG)

135 Looks like gay race communism is going to win today.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 04, 2025 12:35 PM (Yllyy)

136 Flashback to last thread.

The first instance of large-scale use of gas as a weapon was on 31 January 1915, when Germany fired 18,000 artillery shells containing liquid xylyl bromide tear gas on Russian positions on the Rawka River, west of Warsaw during the Battle of Bolimov. Instead of vaporizing, the chemical froze and failed to have the desired effect.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Oh yeah? Well, You're Another One! at November 04, 2025 12:35 PM (L/fGl)

137 135 Looks like gay race communism is going to win today.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 04, 2025 12:35 PM (Yllyy)

The baddies win?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 04, 2025 12:35 PM (xcxpd)

138 Joe Lieberman was Al Gore’s running mate in 2000…. I think Lieberman would be a Republican today. He certainly would not fit in today’s Dem party….
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 04, 2025 12:35 PM

He's still voting Democrat though, IYKWIM.

Posted by: toby928(c) at November 04, 2025 12:36 PM (jc0TO)

139 Bill Kristol is holding Cheney's old shirt and weaping uncontrollably.

"I can't quit you"

It's tragic that Cheney was too sick to endorse Mamdani for mayor, like Kristol did.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 04, 2025 12:36 PM (xTIDn)

140 Man, this election day stuff is tough work.

Posted by: Darrell Harris - Je Suis Charlie

Kudos on putting in the time instead of just complaining on a website.

*shifty eyes*

Posted by: Archimedes at November 04, 2025 12:36 PM (Riz8t)

141 Gore/Lieberman, or "Sore/Loserman" in the proto-memes of the times.

Time magazine hailed the choice of Lieberman as 'Chutzpah' proving they had no clue what chutzpah means.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 04, 2025 12:37 PM (Yllyy)

142 Joe Lieberman was Al Gore’s running mate in 2000…. I think Lieberman would be a Republican today. He certainly would not fit in today’s Dem party….
Posted by: LinusVanPelt

He spoke at the Repub. Convention in '08, as he was buds with McCain. So, he'd be GOPe, probably. Don't know how he felt about Trump.

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:37 PM (77rzZ)

143 It's tragic that Cheney was too sick to endorse Mamdani for mayor, like Kristol did.

I love that that, of all things, was the red line where Jonah Goldberg publicly said "what the fuck, Bill?".

Posted by: Ian S. at November 04, 2025 12:37 PM (2ocoG)

144 Imagine how today's Democrat base would react to an obviously Jewish VP.

Tell me about it.

Posted by: Josh Shapiro! at November 04, 2025 12:37 PM (xTIDn)

145 "W had the chance to remake the entire Middle East into a modern, secular democracy"

We are crazy to believe we can successfully reshape the cultures of that part of the world (or any part of it for that matter,) and I think we oughta stop trying.

Posted by: gp at November 04, 2025 12:37 PM (7imtn)

146 VA - Gonna put it at Spamburger, Reid, and Miyares, so a totally split ballot b/c I want optimism today. And the House gets tied (I think it's too far to flip, but again hopeful).

VA, GET OUT AND VOTE!

Posted by: Nova Local at November 04, 2025 12:37 PM (tOcjL)

147 The baddies win?

Evil will always win because good is dumb

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 04, 2025 12:38 PM (Yllyy)

148 Recall that one of the first "Trump will never win the nomination!" was when he broke with all Republicans and called the Iraq war a mistake.

Oh the horror and the gasps of disbelief.

Until that point, everyone had to bow before the one-way "12th commandment" of never attacking fellow Republicans.
Which commandment never was enforced against the GOPe and their endless attacks against conservatives they didn't like.

Anyway, at least John McCain now has somebody to lick his balls to cool them off in hell.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 04, 2025 12:38 PM (HXT0k)

149
Benny Johnson

@bennyjohnson
Communist Zohran Mamdani points the finger at President Trump for the bomb threats at New Jersey polling locations:

“We have to understand this as part of the approach the Trump administration has taken to intimidate voters.”

Posted by: redridinghood at November 04, 2025 12:38 PM (NpAcC)

150 Someone once said that when people like Cheney as they are in their last years become much more liberal because they want to be "nice " and get into heaven. Acting like a Dem isn't "nice"
Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 04, 2025 12:26 PM (Sm0sq)

What the Cheneys did was what they always did. Get paid. Their desire has nothing to do with God's Kingdom.

GGG. Grifters Gonna Grift.

Posted by: ... at November 04, 2025 12:38 PM (1fd8X)

151 The baddies win?
___

Not in the end.

Jesus made sure of that.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 04, 2025 12:39 PM (22p5n)

152 I voting mattered they wouldn't let us do it.

Posted by: Ghost of George Carlin at November 04, 2025 12:39 PM (zhr8b)

153 SCAMberger has, I think, lost every single race she's run, and then won it in the days and weeks after. I expect this to be no different, even if Winsome hadn't run one of the most incompetent, head-up-your-ass campaigns in recent memory.

Posted by: Waiting for Martel at November 04, 2025 12:39 PM (QTJr9)

154 Virginia combines New York's friendly charm with Mississippi's ruthless efficiency.

I forget who said that but spot on.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 04, 2025 12:39 PM (Yllyy)

155 29 Myu polling place here in NoVa was empty at 1030. I don't know what to make of that.
Posted by: Archimedes

I voted between 0900 and 0930. It was busier than I expected.

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:17 PM (77rzZ)

Deep blue NoVa or edge NoVa (which is still a R/D toss up)...

Posted by: Nova Local at November 04, 2025 12:39 PM (tOcjL)

156 Shot in the face,
And you're to blame!
Cheney, you give neocons a bad name!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 04, 2025 12:39 PM (wtvvX)

157 Not in the end.

Jesus made sure of that.
Posted by: SMH

Thank you for that reminder, SMH.

Hope you and the ex ex are doing well.

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:40 PM (77rzZ)

158 What was the name of the guy that Cheney accidentally blasted with buckshot when they were hunting together? I always thought that story was hilarious… no one was seriously hurt but man it had shades of a three stooges episode

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 04, 2025 12:40 PM (7lFSJ)

159 Anyway, at least John McCain now has somebody to lick his balls to cool them off in hell.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 04, 2025 12:38 PM (HXT0k)

Thats some funny shit lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at November 04, 2025 12:40 PM (snZF9)

160 We have to understand this as part of the approach the Trump administration has taken to intimidate voters.”
Posted by: redridinghood at November 04, 2025 12:38 PM (NpAcC)

Ah so Team Mamdani is behind it. Thanks for answering that one.

Posted by: ... at November 04, 2025 12:40 PM (1fd8X)

161 Scott Presler is trying to do the Lord's work, but to paraphrase my old football coach, the GOP could Eff-up a wet dream. Betting markets say most of those are losers. It's just a matter of by how much.

The Trump White House has a great deal of culpability in this. Maybe taking care of business at home is a bit more important than screwing around in China or Venezuela right now, but YMMV, I guess.

Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at November 04, 2025 12:40 PM (MZ+PY)

162 He will bring the gayed and muslin together.

Maybe Mr. Trump will pull a Clint Eastwood and his enemies to war each other.

Posted by: thug dolphin at November 04, 2025 12:40 PM (EyfuW)

163 It's a good thing I invented his Mighty Warcock nickname all those years ago, otherwise they'd have nothing noteworthy to put on his tombstone.

Posted by: Ambiguously Gay Richard Simmons at November 04, 2025 12:40 PM (7Q0e+)

164 Deep blue NoVa or edge NoVa (which is still a R/D toss up)...
Posted by: Nova Local

Western Fairfax Co. Near Dulles Airport.

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:40 PM (77rzZ)

165 >>> Reagan’s biggest mistake was selecting George HW Bush

Bush was CIA connected.

I just learned the other day that Gloria Steinem was secretly a CIA operative.

What on earth was the goal with Steinem? To take down the US social mores by promoting "fish and bicycle" feminism? Destroy America one ladybit at a time?

Posted by: LizLem at November 04, 2025 12:40 PM (gWBY1)

166
Try that again:

IF voting mattered they wouldn't let us do it.

Posted by: Ghost of George Carlin at November 04, 2025 12:41 PM (zhr8b)

167 My unpopular opinion is that a better response to 9/11 might have been several nuclear weapons in the general vicinity of the Taliban, and a brief statement from the Oval Office along the lines of "The Taliban fucked around and found out. Anyone else who fucks around will also find out." No armed forces on the ground.

W had already been painted by the MSM as a crazy cowboy. He should have embraced it.

Posted by: NJ Class Traitor at November 04, 2025 12:41 PM (6RyaQ)

168 Is it true that coach Mike Leach had to be talked out of putting a midget into the backfield during short yardage situations to throw him over the line of scrimmage to pick up a first down?

If so, what a legend. That's hilarious and I wish they hadn't talked him out of it.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 04, 2025 12:41 PM (Yp6az)

169 We're doing fine, Bulg.

We're doing some house hunting in eastern MO, so hopefully we'll be able to move (finally!) spring/summer next year.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 04, 2025 12:41 PM (22p5n)

170 RIP to Dick Cheney and more importantly, RIP to neoconservatism, nation-building, and chasing our tails around the world in pursuit of absurd utopian goals like "bringing freedom to Islam" and bringing reform and democracy to those who "hate our values."

----

This says it all.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 04, 2025 12:41 PM (PMtkd)

171 No loss, Dick Cheney, war hawk and neocon. Supporter of liberals who then liked him in a turn around. No doubt got paid by the defense contracts he supported. Millionaire living large in in Jackson Hole. Where the uber wealthy live. His daughter can shove it.

I once liked him and GWB. Now I despise all of them. Fooled me once. Never again. Any one in their administration. Any talking heads who would not vote for President Trump in 2016 but for Hil the Hag. I was done and still am.

Mean and arrogant is how I'd define him. Yes, I am speaking "ill" of the dead...however it is the truth.

I am praying that commie in NYC gets defeated, and all the others in the states...but my prayer focus is on him.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at November 04, 2025 12:41 PM (MAl//)

172 141 Gore/Lieberman, or "Sore/Loserman" in the proto-memes of the times.

Time magazine hailed the choice of Lieberman as 'Chutzpah' proving they had no clue what chutzpah means.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 04, 2025 12:37 PM (Yllyy)

Ahhh, the good ol' days when Democrats wanted Jews on the ticket....

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 04, 2025 12:42 PM (wtvvX)

173 147 The baddies win?

Evil will always win because good is dumb
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 04, 2025 12:38 PM (Yllyy)

Now that sounds like some truth there

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 04, 2025 12:42 PM (xcxpd)

174 Tehran should have been glass on 9/12. That should have been the beginning of our message.

Posted by: ... at November 04, 2025 12:42 PM (1fd8X)

175 I think Cheney was an "assigned" VP for baby Bush much like Pence was "assigned" to Trump. TPTB not completely confident the elected leader of the country could handle the deep state's agenda.

I imagine the aftermath of 9/11 would have been different, and not in a good way if Bush had someone not nearly as ruthless as Cheney as VP. Bush never impressed me as being real savvy.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 04, 2025 12:43 PM (Q4IgG)

176 I'm not going to celebrate Cheney's death, because I'm not an ill-mannered savage. But I won't be mourning him either.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at November 04, 2025 12:43 PM (9FEtL)

177 We are crazy to believe we can successfully reshape the cultures of that part of the world (or any part of it for that matter,) and I think we oughta stop trying.
_-_
We could at least stop bringing them all here (probably too late). Culture matters. Demographics is Destiny.

Posted by: Mister Broken Record Over Here at November 04, 2025 12:43 PM (vd6bO)

178 No loss, Dick Cheney, war hawk and neocon. Supporter of liberals who then liked him in a turn around. No doubt got paid by the defense contracts he supported. Millionaire living large in in Jackson Hole. Where the uber wealthy live. His daughter can shove it.

he was worth more than $20mm when he ran as vp, he divested nearly all of his equities, which was haliburton stock, when he ran, which is way more than most do

Posted by: n at November 04, 2025 12:43 PM (Cew8e)

179

Voting for kamala...sorry, cant get over that Dick.

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at November 04, 2025 12:43 PM (och2J)

180 "Fight them there so we don't have to fight them here".

/looks at Minneapolis and NYC

They sold us out. Always were going to. Never forget.

Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum at November 04, 2025 12:44 PM (OUMaO)

181 We're doing some house hunting in eastern MO, so hopefully we'll be able to move (finally!) spring/summer next year.
Posted by: SMH

Good luck! Hope you find your perfect place.

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:44 PM (77rzZ)

182 > It's all about turning out our voters. Is there a good GOTV effort going on?

HAHAHAHA! No. VAGOP is inept and does not realize what time it is. (But would still be inept even if it did.)

Posted by: Waiting for Martel at November 04, 2025 12:44 PM (QTJr9)

183 The baddies win?

Evil will always ~~win~~triumph because good is dumb
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 04, 2025 12:38 PM (Yllyy)
________

FIFY!

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 04, 2025 12:44 PM (iFTx/)

184 I just learned the other day that Gloria Steinem was secretly a CIA operative.

What on earth was the goal with Steinem? To take down the US social mores by promoting "fish and bicycle" feminism? Destroy America one ladybit at a time?
Posted by: LizLem at November 04, 2025 12:40 PM (gWBY1)

Astonishing… I did not know this… the CIA has been out of control since… well, since it’s inception

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 04, 2025 12:44 PM (7lFSJ)

185
he was worth more than $20mm when he ran as vp, he divested nearly all of his equities, which was haliburton stock, when he ran, which is way more than most do
Posted by: n at November 04, 2025 12:43 PM (Cew8e)

And Joe didn't know what Hunter was up to.

Posted by: ... at November 04, 2025 12:44 PM (1fd8X)

186 "Tehran should have been glass on 9/12."

Fifteen of the hijackers were Saudis. None were Iranian.

Posted by: gp at November 04, 2025 12:44 PM (7imtn)

187 164 Deep blue NoVa or edge NoVa (which is still a R/D toss up)...
Posted by: Nova Local

Western Fairfax Co. Near Dulles Airport.

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:40 PM (77rzZ)

So, Defense land...at least you weren't Falls Church or Mclean...

Posted by: Nova Local at November 04, 2025 12:44 PM (tOcjL)

188 From a Different Time in a Different Age: The Ace of Spades HQ Presents "Best of the Cool Facts About Dick Cheney" https://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=140366

An ocean of water has flowed under that bridge from 20 years ago.
Posted by: Blast Hardcheese at November 04, 2025 12:30 PM (V362x)

Indeed.

I supported Operation "Iraqi Freedom" and the first phase of nation-building including the national elections in Iraq. The moment it was apparent that the old ways were the preferred ways was the cue for us to get the hell out of there.

Posted by: mrp at November 04, 2025 12:44 PM (rj6Yv)

189 Thank you for the gracious words upon the death of Dick Cheney.

As a conspiracy theory enthusiast, I know that the global warming scam was intended to weaken the west, and the US in particular, in order to usher in one world government. Hopefully Bill Gates's apostasy is a sign that AGW will soon be rotting along with neoconservatism upon the charnal ground of globalism.

Posted by: Oglebay at November 04, 2025 12:44 PM (GPa4z)

190 I’d say RIP but I think FU, Cheney, you war monger is more accurate.

Posted by: Sidney at November 04, 2025 12:45 PM (Uy/WF)

191 Thanks Bulg. : )

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 04, 2025 12:45 PM (22p5n)

192 I just learned the other day that Gloria Steinem was secretly a CIA operative.

What on earth was the goal with Steinem? To take down the US social mores by promoting "fish and bicycle" feminism? Destroy America one ladybit at a time?
Posted by: LizLem at November 04, 2025 12:40 PM (gWBY1)

Control.

Steinem was about social control and using the Feminist movement to control Americans.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at November 04, 2025 12:45 PM (xcxpd)

193 "Although obituaries identify Cheney as a rock-ribbed Republican, of course he became a progressive Democrat in the last ten years of his life."
All neocons are leftists at heart. Retard. Read some history.

Posted by: MikeN at November 04, 2025 12:45 PM (24otH)

194 he was worth more than $20mm when he ran as vp, he divested nearly all of his equities, which was haliburton stock, when he ran, which is way more than most do
Posted by: n at November 04, 2025 12:43 PM (Cew8e)

Probably divested in off shore accounts.

In the event you can't tell...I despise him.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at November 04, 2025 12:45 PM (MAl//)

195 he was worth more than $20mm when he ran as vp, he divested nearly all of his equities, which was haliburton stock, when he ran, which is way more than most do
Posted by: n at November 04, 2025 12:43 PM (Cew8e)

And Joe didn't know what Hunter was up to.
Posted by: ...

?

Posted by: n at November 04, 2025 12:45 PM (Cew8e)

196 85 RIP Sodomizing Cougar Man.
Posted by: toby928(c) at November 04, 2025 12:25 PM
---------

Was it a cougar? Man, it must be a long time ago, I could have sworn it was a pitbull...

Posted by: Kevin Canuck at November 04, 2025 12:45 PM (RUgsa)

197 Who'd athunk it

Chrysler recalls 320,000 Jeep plug-in hybrids due to faulty battery that can catch fire

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Oh yeah? Well, You're Another One! at November 04, 2025 12:45 PM (L/fGl)

198 "Tehran should have been glass on 9/12."

Fifteen of the hijackers were Saudis. None were Iranian.
Posted by: gp at November 04, 2025 12:44 PM

Shh. He's rolling.

Posted by: toby928(c) at November 04, 2025 12:45 PM (jc0TO)

199 "We could at least stop bringing them all here (probably too late). Culture matters. Demographics is Destiny."

Concur.

Posted by: gp at November 04, 2025 12:45 PM (7imtn)

200 I’d say RIP but I think FU, Cheney, you war monger is more accurate.

Posted by: Sidney at November 04, 2025 12:45 PM (Uy/WF)

201 So sad. Too bad. Who seriously gives a fuck … ? WE WIN.

Posted by: Dr_No at November 04, 2025 12:45 PM (ayRl+)

202 Deep blue NoVa or edge NoVa (which is still a R/D toss up)...
Posted by: Nova Local

Western Fairfax Co. Near Dulles Airport.

I'm in Gerry Connolly's old district, the 11th.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 04, 2025 12:46 PM (Riz8t)

203 Cheney you're an old man
[lyrics go here]
Shot in the face,
You big disgrace
[lyrics go here]

Sorry, trying to do what I can but my brain is rubbish today.

Posted by: LizLem at November 04, 2025 12:46 PM (gWBY1)

204 In the event you can't tell...I despise him.
Posted by: Chr

which is fine, however, when he ws vp he was loved, esp here.

Posted by: n at November 04, 2025 12:46 PM (Cew8e)

205 Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller

You used "kamala" and "dick" in the same sentence.

Nicely done.

Posted by: one hour sober at November 04, 2025 12:47 PM (Y1sOo)

206 >> Alas, many Americans died trying to vindicate the now-obviously-absurd political claim that we can or should attempt to politically and culturally transform backwards and barbaric societies, hundreds or even thousands of years away from reaching modernity organically, by sending in a several tens of thousands of American fighters to trade bullets and bodies…

This was always the product of small, unimaginative minds like Cheney. It was a knee jerk response to the post Soviet world, from which people like Cheney learned no lessons. Had he and the yes men around him paused to consider the costs and failures of neoconservative approaches like regime change, a lot more men would be alive and we would be better off as a nation. We planted a lot of my friends, neighbors and brothers in that process. Good people for whom I wouldn’t trade 100 Cheney’s. He wasn’t a visionary or a leader. He was just another hapless bureaucrat imbued with bad ideas and even worse solutions.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 04, 2025 12:47 PM (B9BeB)

207 202 Deep blue NoVa or edge NoVa (which is still a R/D toss up)...
Posted by: Nova Local

Western Fairfax Co. Near Dulles Airport.

I'm in Gerry Connolly's old district, the 11th.

Posted by: Archimedes at November 04, 2025 12:46 PM (Riz8t)

So, bluer land - better that one is emptier...

Posted by: Nova Local at November 04, 2025 12:47 PM (tOcjL)

208 Tehran should have been glass on 9/12. That should have been the beginning of our message.
Posted by: ... at November 04, 2025 12:42 PM (1fd8X)

#2, right after Mecca.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 04, 2025 12:47 PM (npFr7)

209 What on earth was the goal with Steinem? To take down the US social mores by promoting "fish and bicycle" feminism? Destroy America one ladybit at a time?

The original goal was to double the workforce and thereby halve the average salary. The post-war boom was costing big corporations too much so the CIA did something for them.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 04, 2025 12:47 PM (2ocoG)

210 Cocksucker sent our boys - and gals - to certain doom and wrecked the lives of many more in a war those fuckfags never intended to "win".

But his vote for Kamala is where some draw the line?

In fairness I guess the vote for Kamala was illuminating if nothing else.

Posted by: ... at November 04, 2025 12:47 PM (1fd8X)

211 There was me and another guy finishing his ballot as I checked in. No one else at 0730 in the polling station other than the pollsters. In and Out. Fast and neat. I voted for the black chick with the English name here in VA.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 04, 2025 12:47 PM (jFCkp)

212 Chrysler recalls 320,000 Jeep plug-in hybrids due to faulty battery that can catch fire

==

EVs: The new Ford Pintos. Kaboom!

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 04, 2025 12:47 PM (qBdHI)

213 Quite fitting that Cheney's last vote was for the cackling blow-job queen. A fitting last gasp of treachery.

Posted by: Traitor, Skunk, Warmonger at November 04, 2025 12:47 PM (oftw2)

214 Well, did my part in NoVA around noon. Almost nobody there.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at November 04, 2025 12:47 PM (LxER7)

215 Cheney had no humility. He thought he was the smartest person in the room and, indeed, who could gainsay him? Bush?

Posted by: PG at November 04, 2025 12:47 PM (uX4U2)

216 I'm in Gerry Connolly's old district, the 11th.
Posted by: Archimedes

I am, too.

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:48 PM (77rzZ)

217 #2, right after Mecca.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 04, 2025 12:47 PM (npFr7)

I am humbled.

Posted by: ... at November 04, 2025 12:48 PM (1fd8X)

218 >>I hate that this site is unsearchable. I am unable to find the "Night of the Rampaging Cougar-Man" post.

See comment #112.

Posted by: Nazdar at November 04, 2025 12:49 PM (NcvvS)

219 I will say nothing beyond I pray for his family and hope they find comfort.

Now...who wants donuts?

Posted by: NR Pax at November 04, 2025 12:49 PM (lXoJ5)

220 216 I'm in Gerry Connolly's old district, the 11th.
Posted by: Archimedes

I am, too.
Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:48 PM (77rzZ)

Me, too. Used to be 10th until they redrew the lines. I've felt dirty ever since.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at November 04, 2025 12:49 PM (LxER7)

221 Damn, how many NoVa folks we got here - you'd think we could win a race up here sometime.

Anyone actually in the rest of the state and have any updates? If you are and don't want to update, just remember to drag all likeminded folks to the polls BY 7pm today...we end votes early here, so don't wait!

Posted by: Nova Local at November 04, 2025 12:49 PM (tOcjL)

222
Before the 9/11 attacks, George W said things like "We're not into nation building." If he ever actually believed that, it went out the window right away after the attacks. "The Bush Doctrine" of preemptive attack to remove threats appeared. Like the screeching leftists at the time, I now wonder who was really in charge.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at November 04, 2025 12:49 PM (9CVFk)

223 Fifteen of the hijackers were Saudis. None were Iranian.
Posted by: gp at November 04, 2025 12:44 PM

Don't give a shit.

Posted by: ... at November 04, 2025 12:49 PM (1fd8X)

224 what news, NY?!

Posted by: runner at November 04, 2025 12:49 PM (g47mK)

225 Archimedes, we should try to meet up sometime.

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:50 PM (77rzZ)

226 Cheney had no humility. He thought he was the smartest person in the room and, indeed, who could gainsay him? Bush?

I mean, he probably actually was smarter than W. and most of his staff.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 04, 2025 12:50 PM (2ocoG)

227 I just learned the other day that Gloria Steinem was secretly a CIA operative.

What on earth was the goal with Steinem? To take down the US social mores by promoting "fish and bicycle" feminism? Destroy America one ladybit at a time?
Posted by: LizLem at November 04, 2025 12:40 PM (gWBY1)
________

I don't know that it was secret. Didn't she openly talk about her CIA connection in the 60s and 70s? I think most of those 60s radical types had some connection to the CIA or FBI.

What was her goal? Same as almost all of the radicals at the time: communism. She just used feminism -- something that on its face seemed like a good idea -- as a trojan horse for commie poison.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 04, 2025 12:50 PM (iFTx/)

228 >>> The Trump White House has a great deal of culpability in this. Maybe taking care of business at home is a bit more important than screwing around in China or Venezuela right now, but YMMV, I guess.
Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at November 04, 2025 12:40 PM (MZ+PY)

Trump has complicated business. I don't fault him at all. What happened to the GOP after Lara Trump left? Their get out the vote ground game just up and died.

TPUSA, Scott Pressler, and the Walk Away movement can't single-handedly be expected to get republicans enthused to vote in an off year. The fat cats at the top need to step it up.

Posted by: LizLem at November 04, 2025 12:50 PM (gWBY1)

229
You know, it's funny how badly "Neoconservatism" failed.

Particularly, in the idea of bringing civilization and freedom into barbaric lands with a barbaric religion.

Whereas, "Neomarxism"'s policy of Neobarbarism, ie. bringing in barbarians loaded with ignorance of our culture and ways, and totting along their own violent, dark age religions-

has been a rousing success.

Old Blighty and the rest of Western Europe supinely wait for their cultural swirlies and pink bellies courtesy of their 3rd world rulers to be.

The US?
Welp, just look at Dearborn and northern NY and the no-go all-moslem "township" that was planned for north Texas.

After 9/11 our nation couldn't wait to elect a man with a muslim background and name. And now NYC the site of the slaughter of over 2000 people in a jihad attack by moslems is ready to hand over that city to moslems rule and communist failure.

Say what you will...That's some "ism", that Neobarbarism.

Posted by: naturalfake at November 04, 2025 12:50 PM (iJfKG)

230 Cheney is dead. This is terrible. Anyway...

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 04, 2025 12:50 PM (jFCkp)

231 My little poll was empty today when I was in it. Only one issue on the ballot for us, and it was to raise our already outrageous property taxes, another mill for a vocational school. Despite the fact that we have all kinds of educational opportunities in my corner of Michigan, and high school students have the opportunity to take classes at the several universities and colleges or start early at the tech schools. Was happy to vote no, and I have noticed there’s a lot of sentiment for no in the area in the last few weeks. We’ll see what happens.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 04, 2025 12:50 PM (HxmDD)

232
It should be an interesting state funeral.

Posted by: Frank Barone at November 04, 2025 12:50 PM (IifOV)

233 Posted by: n at November 04, 2025 12:45 PM (Cew8e)

Cheney did just fine.

Posted by: ... at November 04, 2025 12:50 PM (1fd8X)

234 1 PM press conference regarding two men arrested for a bombing at Harvard Medical a few days ago.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 04, 2025 12:50 PM (vV6n9)

235 Zombie Robbo, too.

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:50 PM (77rzZ)

236 Jeff Spicoli's famous two-word phrase has special meaning today.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at November 04, 2025 12:51 PM (O7YUW)

237 Trump has complicated business. I don't fault him at all. What happened to the GOP after Lara Trump left? Their get out the vote ground game just up and died.

TPUSA, Scott Pressler, and the Walk Away movement can't single-handedly be expected to get republicans enthused to vote in an off year. The fat cats at the top need to step it up.

Posted by: LizLem at November 04, 2025 12:50 PM (gWBY1)

Especially since I don't think any came to VA - they all went NJ...if they went anywhere...

Posted by: Nova Local at November 04, 2025 12:51 PM (tOcjL)

238 Nova Local, do you ever go to the NoVa MoMes?

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:52 PM (77rzZ)

239 Cheney did just fine.
Posted by: ...

not saying he did not, however, serving in gov is not a vow of poverty after youre a private citizen again.

Posted by: n at November 04, 2025 12:52 PM (Cew8e)

240
Welcome Dick. It's a dry heat.

Posted by: Donald Rumsfeld at November 04, 2025 12:53 PM (IifOV)

241 I won't deny that I initially liked Cheney. And Dubya too. I was glad they were in charge after 9-11. I was glad for a few years after than. I voted for them twice. Then it all went to shit.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 04, 2025 12:53 PM (iFTx/)

242 Waiting for Amazon delivery. I ruined my hearing with amplified music. Solution: bigger amp! Arriving between 11AM and 1:15PM. Promises, promises ...

Also in the package: HDMI to micro-HDMI cables, because we never seem to stop inventing new electrical connector styles every month. My adapter collection has spread to several shelves' worth now.

Posted by: gp at November 04, 2025 12:53 PM (7imtn)

243 "Fight them there so we don't have to fight them here"

"By the way, were going to import them into your towns and cities by millions. In twenty years, Minnesota will be a Somalian colony and Dearborn will look like Tehran."

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 04, 2025 12:53 PM (C8Jhg)

244 >>>3 Ace, can you re-post that article that you wrote years ago that included the scene of Cheney sodomizing a pitbull, after which the pitbull said "thank you"? That was gold...

If I can find it, I will. I'm not sure what to search for. Cheney and pit bull and thank you, I'll see if that brings it up.

Posted by: ace at November 04, 2025 12:53 PM (1wjle)

245 What on earth was the goal with Steinem? To take down the US social mores by promoting "fish and bicycle" feminism? Destroy America one ladybit at a time?
Posted by: LizLem at November 04, 2025 12:40 PM (gWBY1)
________

Demoralization.
https://tinyurl.com/5cp942ew

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at November 04, 2025 12:53 PM (9FEtL)

246 Trump has complicated business. I don't fault him at all. What happened to the GOP after Lara Trump left? Their get out the vote ground game just up and died.

Trump's contribution to these elections was shutting down USAID. I suspect the results will lean more Republican than anyone expects because of that, but it's also possible Alex Soros has already plugged many of those holes.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 04, 2025 12:53 PM (2ocoG)

247 Cheney voted for Kamala Harris. That alone should tell you what you need to know about the guy.

Posted by: dantesed at November 04, 2025 12:54 PM (Oy/m2)

248 I won't deny that I initially liked Cheney. And Dubya too. I was glad they were in charge after 9-11. I was glad for a few years after than. I voted for them twice. Then it all went to shit.
Posted by: Elric The Blade

I really liked Rumsfeld, too.

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:54 PM (77rzZ)

249 Reagan’s biggest mistake was selecting George HW Bush as his running mate. Discuss… shoulda went with Senator Laxalt….
Posted by: LinusVanPelt

Governor John Connally

Posted by: Kindltot at November 04, 2025 12:54 PM (rbvCR)

250 Given the severity of his heart disease and how long he suffered from it, Cheney's survival to age 84 is a bit of a triumph for medical science.

Posted by: Oglebay at November 04, 2025 12:54 PM (GPa4z)

251 236 Jeff Spicoli's famous two-word phrase has special meaning today.
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at November 04, 2025 12:51 PM (O7YUW)

"Those guys are fags!"

Posted by: Tasty waves brah! at November 04, 2025 12:54 PM (TbWk/)

252 Most of us who were here back then defended W and Cheney and the WoT, and we mercilessly mocked all their critics.

Posted by: gp at November 04, 2025 12:54 PM (7imtn)

253 it is easy to bitch and whine about the afghan and iraq misadventures, but everybody was behind them at the time, for the right reasons.

It was a bit seductive that we had such easy and overwhelming military success which made getting lured into nation building seem as though it could be done.

now we know

Posted by: n at November 04, 2025 12:55 PM (Cew8e)

254 Thanks for the essay -- I've been actually looking forward to your interpretation of this as I too considered myself a Cheney fan. As I noted on another thread, the Cheney warcock brought me here in Ought Five or so when, ironically enough, I was on a deployment.

Unfortunately, it's been the fate of so many Republican standard bearers to become ejected from the party with prejudice, and Bush/Cheney is the clearest example. Even Reagan and his decision on amnesty has undermined his legacy.

But it must be pointed out that Cheney's influence on gay marriage (remembering John Francois Kerry's comment on Cheney's lesbo daughter) may have pushed that agenda further than it should have.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 04, 2025 12:55 PM (qwx/I)

255 Governor John Connally
Posted by: Kindltot

What caused Connally to switch parties?

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:55 PM (77rzZ)

256 Most of us who were here back then defended W and Cheney and the WoT, and we mercilessly mocked all their critics.
Posted by: gp at November 04, 2025 12:54 PM

Whoa. Mind.Blown.

Posted by: toby928(c) at November 04, 2025 12:55 PM (jc0TO)

257 I won't deny that I initially liked Cheney. And Dubya too. I was glad they were in charge after 9-11. I was glad for a few years after than. I voted for them twice.

Even knowing what we know now, I'm still glad they were in charge then and not Al fucking Gore.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 04, 2025 12:55 PM (2ocoG)

258 I won't deny that I initially liked Cheney. And Dubya too. I was glad they were in charge after 9-11. I was glad for a few years after than. I voted for them twice. Then it all went to shit.

Posted by: Elric The Blade

I will admit that I did a lot of international travel in 2001-2008, and if Gore had won, it would have been less safe to do so.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at November 04, 2025 12:56 PM (0U5gm)

259
The Socialist New York City will be fun to watch. I hope surrounding areas can blow the bridges, flood the tunnels to contain the contagion to that one city.

Posted by: Frank Barone at November 04, 2025 12:56 PM (IifOV)

260 We're gonna need a new Darth Vader Hitler!

Oh, nevermind ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at November 04, 2025 12:56 PM (6CyTj)

261 Trump's contribution to these elections was shutting down USAID. I suspect the results will lean more Republican than anyone expects because of that, but it's also possible Alex Soros has already plugged many of those holes.
-----------------
That is my suspicion, too. Then there are a shit ton of furloughed Govies with nothing to do. Most that I know are DoW people so I doubt they are pulling for a CIA Stooge. We already have that covered with Kaine and Warner.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 04, 2025 12:56 PM (jFCkp)

262 it is easy to bitch and whine about the afghan and iraq misadventures, but everybody was behind them at the time, for the right reasons.

Posted by: n at November 04, 2025 12:55 PM (Cew8e)

Everyone except, it appears, the people who waged them.

Posted by: ... at November 04, 2025 12:56 PM (1fd8X)

263 243
‘ By the way, were going to import them into your towns and cities by millions’

W and Co. would be seen a lot differently if they had slammed the door in their faces instead

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 04, 2025 12:56 PM (jbnUc)

264 Even knowing what we know now, I'm still glad they were in charge then and not Al fucking Gore.
Posted by: Ian S.

Agreed.

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:57 PM (77rzZ)

265 238 Nova Local, do you ever go to the NoVa MoMes?

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:52 PM (77rzZ)

Nope, between blood cancer and blood cancer-caused food allergies, big group eating events are not my thing. Nor drinking ones, since I can't do that, either.

I've posted in the food thread that I know not to be a bad guest, so I only attend events I personally put on - I'm just too much of a hassle now (ie - keep me away from the sniffler/allergy sneezer, what ingredients are in the food, etc, etc)...

Posted by: Nova Local at November 04, 2025 12:57 PM (tOcjL)

266 I think the VA AG will be the only win.... Hoping for NJ Gov but don't expect it... Of course 50 in my shit hole State CA. is gonna pass...

Posted by: It's me donna at November 04, 2025 12:57 PM (VE6XX)

267 Given the severity of his heart disease and how long he suffered from it, Cheney's survival to age 84 is a bit of a triumph for medical science.
Posted by: Oglebay at November 04, 2025 12:54 PM (GPa4z)

I think so, too. Wasn't his pacemaker surgery a state-of-the-art medical achievement?

Posted by: mrp at November 04, 2025 12:57 PM (rj6Yv)

268 I had a good friend who honestly believed Dick Cheney was involved with remote flying the planes into the WTC on 9/11.
We stopped being friends shortly after he explained that scenario to me.

Posted by: Nelly at November 04, 2025 12:57 PM (Dbs80)

269 259
The Socialist New York City will be fun to watch. I hope surrounding areas can blow the bridges, flood the tunnels to contain the contagion to that one city.
--------------
Don't forget to cut the power and turn off the water.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 04, 2025 12:57 PM (jFCkp)

270 And as I'm sure others have noted he created the apparatus of a less than desirable perpetual security state in the wake of 9/11.

Sure, we brought in infinity Muslims/Afghans/Somalis post 9/11, but at least we got to take our shoes off when we boarded planes.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 04, 2025 12:57 PM (qwx/I)

271 What caused Connally to switch parties?
Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:55 PM (77rzZ)

Probably Watergate and Gerald Ford.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 04, 2025 12:57 PM (rbvCR)

272 it is easy to bitch and whine about the afghan and iraq misadventures, but everybody was behind them at the time, for the right reasons.

Posted by: n at November 04, 2025 12:55 PM (Cew8e)

Everyone except, it appears, the people who waged them.
Posted by: ...

military was entirely behind those events at the time they started

Posted by: n at November 04, 2025 12:58 PM (Cew8e)

273 Post election euphoria may give Senate Democrats cover to pass the CR.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at November 04, 2025 12:58 PM (C8Jhg)

274 Did Cheney actually vote for Kamala, or was that Liz‘s BS story to poke at Trump ? Didn’t Jimmy Carter who was a complete vegetable at the end, vote for Kamala also?

Posted by: Jen the original at November 04, 2025 12:58 PM (HxmDD)

275 Most of us who were here back then defended W and Cheney and the WoT, and we mercilessly mocked all their critics.
Posted by: gp at November 04, 2025 12:54 PM

To be fair, I am NOT sorry for calling them a bunch of commie choads. They are still a bunch of cock sucking commies- if not more so.

It is just, well, we can spread the love more equally to all involved.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 04, 2025 12:58 PM (bss/y)

276 Dick Cheney was the biggest miss for me personally in my life. I thought he believed in conservative values, instead, he proved to be a grubby little lying thief and backstabber. He was a tool for the Deep State and proud of it.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at November 04, 2025 12:58 PM (dadcM)

277 With the fall of the Berlin wall, the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact and the end of the USSR, there was an existential crisis in the Swampy Bottom and the Pentagon.

The result was the New World Order which basically kept all those high dollar bureaucrats employed.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at November 04, 2025 12:58 PM (3lk8n)

278 >>Waiting for Amazon delivery. I ruined my hearing with amplified music. Solution: bigger amp! Arriving between 11AM and 1:15PM. Promises, promises ...

Already decided you are gonna listen to Naked Eyes?

Posted by: garrett at November 04, 2025 12:58 PM (UDyAS)

279 Everyone gets to meet God. Pray you do it covered in Jesus's blood.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at November 04, 2025 12:58 PM (BUTUz)

280 8 He got over 13 extra years with Trayvon Martin's heart, so it was money well spent.
Posted by: toby928(c) at November 04, 2025 12:14 PM (jc0TO

I appear to have woken up ornery today and will blame canyon winds and allergies.

His heart transplant, and David Crosby, liver transplant, welp...they certainly benefitted from $ and prestige IMHO. Crosby was able to "jump to the top" of the list and got his in weeks vs months. With Phil Collins (who I like anyway) oddly paying for it. Granted Crosby spent millions of $ on drugs and may have been broke, but I doubt it. He lived for decades supposedly sober.

Cheney functioned for awhile with a LVAD for 20mo, so, for once, I give him a tiny break. But that's all I will give him. Perhaps he waited like a normal person to be on the list for a heart. He hasn't been seen or photographed since 2022 to support Liz, hater of Trump.

Liz Cheney was a big shot on the J6 committee and wanted blood from Trump. I never forget a traitor, and she is one.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at November 04, 2025 12:58 PM (MAl//)

281 Accurate. Cheney embraced an unapologetic, no-hedging, no reaching-across-the-aisle, no compromise "strong form" of neoconservatism, meaning there was no hiding its failure when it failed.

To be clear he and Shrub compromised on EVERYTHING that wasn't directly related to the WoT.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 04, 2025 12:58 PM (sKqQm)

282 I won't deny that I initially liked Cheney. And Dubya too. I was glad they were in charge after 9-11. I was glad for a few years after than. I voted for them twice. Then it all went to shit.
Posted by: Elric The Blade

I really liked Rumsfeld, too.
Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:54 PM (77rzZ)
____

I still do. I think he got fucked by his own traitorous people in what was an early attempt at cancellation. He was smeared, lied about, accused of bullshit war crimes, and eventually hounded out of office. The cancellation worked. So we got more of it.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 04, 2025 12:59 PM (iFTx/)

283 Maybe he now knows the unknown knowns and known unknowns.

Wait,, wrong dude ... forget it, I'm rollin'.

Posted by: ShainS -- Bury My Heart At a Texas MoMe at November 04, 2025 12:59 PM (6CyTj)

284 He spawned Liz and voted for Camela. That's how I'll remember him.

Posted by: fd at November 04, 2025 12:59 PM (AIOLM)

285 Post election euphoria may give Senate Democrats cover to pass the CR.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo

A leading theory is that this was their plan all along; to use the shutdown to drive lefty turnout.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at November 04, 2025 12:59 PM (0U5gm)

286 Nope, between blood cancer and blood cancer-caused food allergies, big group eating events are not my thing. Nor drinking ones, since I can't do that, either.

I've posted in the food thread that I know not to be a bad guest, so I only attend events I personally put on - I'm just too much of a hassle now (ie - keep me away from the sniffler/allergy sneezer, what ingredients are in the food, etc, etc)...

Posted by: Nova Local

Oh, I didn't know about the cancer. I'm sorry. I hope you kick its ass.

Would like to meet you in person sometime.

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:59 PM (77rzZ)

287 I agree that Laxalt would have been a better choice, but it's my memory that he was in very poor health and didn't live long into Reagan's term.

Posted by: Wenda at November 04, 2025 12:59 PM (wwMOU)

288 What caused Connally to switch parties?

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:55 PM

He switched parties about 3 months after LBJ died. He ran the "Democrats for Nixon" that helped Nixon carry Texas. I imagine he had to high tale it out of the party after that.

Posted by: Frank Barone at November 04, 2025 12:59 PM (IifOV)

289 Most of us who were here back then defended W and Cheney and the WoT, and we mercilessly mocked all their critics.
Posted by: gp at November 04, 2025 12:54 PM (7imtn)

We didn't know at the time they were abusing our support of the country for their own gains. That they never intended to preserve shit about this country let alone our "way of life".

It was all an excuse to wave our big purple dildo around and for nothing. Nothing but families in pain and humiliation on the world stage.

Bush and Cheney LET the "Democrats" sink us, the entire effort, and then overtly sided with them on EVERYTHING. What does that tell you?

Posted by: ... at November 04, 2025 12:59 PM (1fd8X)

290 "...but everybody was behind them at the time, for the right reasons.."
___

Some of us who had to go to Iraq multiple times thought it was b.s. from the get-go.

Posted by: SMH at God's mercy at November 04, 2025 12:59 PM (22p5n)

291 Voted for Jack in NJ. There were several senior citizens and a young couple that brought their kids with them. I'm in a purple area, so I can't venture to guess at their voting proclivities.

Posted by: Kareem of Wheat at November 04, 2025 12:59 PM (uyO91)

292 Cheney voted for Kamala Harris. That alone should tell you what you need to know about the guy.

Most people will defend their family members (and especially their kids) over anything else. So I understand it, but if it's between your daughter being insulted and voting for someone who generously has an IQ of 50? Oof.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 04, 2025 01:00 PM (2ocoG)

293 Most of us who were here back then defended W and Cheney and the WoT, and we mercilessly mocked all their critics.
Posted by: gp at November 04, 2025 12:54 PM

To be fair, I am NOT sorry for calling them a bunch of commie choads. They are still a bunch of cock sucking commies- if not more so.

It is just, well, we can spread the love more equally to all involved.
Posted by: Aet

yeah, whatever, the thing is they were right , in some ways , for the wrong reasons and much of what we thought was wrong for the right reasons.

Posted by: n at November 04, 2025 01:00 PM (Cew8e)

294 271 What caused Connally to switch parties?
Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:55 PM (77rzZ)

Probably Watergate and Gerald Ford.
---------------
My guess is Teddy Kennedy.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 04, 2025 01:00 PM (jFCkp)

295 252 Most of us who were here back then defended W and Cheney and the WoT, and we mercilessly mocked all their critics.
Posted by: gp at November 04, 2025 12:54 PM (7imtn)

------

True. Our naivete is gone. We know more about motives and how globalism was running the show. And it is impossible to ignore how these same people we defended, bragged about voting for Harris, or minimally degraded Trump.

I'm done with all of them.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 04, 2025 01:00 PM (PMtkd)

296 If Miyares does pull off AG after his October surprise, which helped tighten a lot of races, not just his, he's got to be put in the thought for later higher posts and elections. I mean, before his surprise, done so spectacularly well, it was a previously certain unwinnable year here. Every race was double digits plus coming into October. And he, just he, flipped everything upside down.

Posted by: Nova Local at November 04, 2025 01:00 PM (tOcjL)

297 295 252 Most of us who were here back then defended W and Cheney and the WoT, and we mercilessly mocked all their critics.
Posted by: gp at November 04, 2025 12:54 PM (7imtn)

------ I was one... Sorry I fell for it.. I won't say anything bad about the dead so I will leave it at that...

Posted by: It's me donna at November 04, 2025 01:01 PM (VE6XX)

298 military was entirely behind those events at the time they started
Posted by: n at November 04, 2025 12:58 PM (Cew8e)

I am referring to the political decision makers.

Posted by: ... at November 04, 2025 01:01 PM (1fd8X)

299 I still do. I think he got fucked by his own traitorous people in what was an early attempt at cancellation. He was smeared, lied about, accused of bullshit war crimes, and eventually hounded out of office. The cancellation worked. So we got more of it.
Posted by: Elric The Blade

Thanks. I want to still like him, but I didn't know if I should or not. So I will continue to like him.

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 01:02 PM (77rzZ)

300 Immigration is Love.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 04, 2025 01:02 PM (jFCkp)

301 Oh, I didn't know about the cancer. I'm sorry. I hope you kick its ass.

Would like to meet you in person sometime.

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:59 PM (77rzZ)

Thanks - I already beat the Google average life length for my cancer (from when I was diagnosed in 2020), so this is all bonus time for me and I plan to live a LOT of bonus time...

Posted by: Nova Local at November 04, 2025 01:02 PM (tOcjL)

302 264 Even knowing what we know now, I'm still glad they were in charge then and not Al fucking Gore.
Posted by: Ian S.

Agreed.
Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 12:57 PM (77rzZ)

Yes. Then they burned me in later years. GWB can keep painting dogs at his ranch. The entire Bush family own a compound in Paraguay to bug out if needed. I shed no tears for any of them, but did support them and vote for GWB twice.

2016 changed everything I thought for the GOP party. Everything.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at November 04, 2025 01:02 PM (MAl//)

303 289 et al, I''m not trying to guilt-trip myself or anybody else who supported W and Cheney, and mocked the critics. I just hope I learned something from it. I think I did.

Posted by: gp at November 04, 2025 01:02 PM (7imtn)

304 Of course the media is saying if the Republicans lose these races in NJ and VA it's a referendum on Trump....I say BS as they are 2 fairly blue States but whatever floats their boat I guess....

Posted by: It's me donna at November 04, 2025 01:03 PM (VE6XX)

305 How about you? What are your guesses on:

NYC Mayor?
.....

Somebody shitty no matter what.

Posted by: wth at November 04, 2025 01:03 PM (v0R5T)

306 The poll workers in my part of NJ said that it had been a busy morning. There was one person in front of the three of us and two people behind us. I was glad to see my friend as a poll
worker.

I do hope that the people who couldn't vote because of bomb threats get a chance to . I think people are idiots if they think Trump and/or Republicans are behind bomb threats .

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 04, 2025 01:04 PM (lQ+/f)

307 Bush and Cheney rolled out the red carpet for Pelosi and Obama and the rest. Then turned their back on everyone who elected them. And bar Trump, it was the nominal country's end and they didn't give a fuck.

This isn't as simple as "I was for the war too".

Posted by: ... at November 04, 2025 01:04 PM (1fd8X)

308 If you're looking for the perfect Christmas gift for that sprecial someone:

https://tinyurl.com/y3a2w9yb

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at November 04, 2025 01:04 PM (PiwSw)

309 THE BLADE FOR NYC MAYOR

Starting my campaign now, my friends!

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 04, 2025 01:04 PM (iFTx/)

310 Correction....2012 and Benghazi changed everything for me. Big time.

But the 2016 defection and refusal to vote Trump did it for me. I was done and still am with talking heads and the entire lot of dipshits.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at November 04, 2025 01:04 PM (MAl//)

311 Before the 9/11 attacks, George W said things like "We're not into nation building." If he ever actually believed that, it went out the window right away after the attacks

Osama gave the US a blood nose they could no longer ignore like Clinton had.

So what to do? If you solve the problem - destroying Islam's ability to project force - you'll get bad press.

Which leaves...get them into some sort of more functional society so they have better things to do then kill Christians.

Unfortunately for Shrub and Cheney much of the Muslim world would rather live like savages as long as they get to kill non-Muslims

Posted by: 18-1 at November 04, 2025 01:04 PM (sKqQm)

312
Is Cheney going to be planted here in Wyoming.

Maybe we'll have a blizzard so that doesn't happen.

Posted by: fourseasons at November 04, 2025 01:04 PM (3ek7K)

313 Hubby and I already turned our ballots in in the People's Republic of Alexandria. I don't hold out much hope for Sears, our neighbors are all morons who think they are sticking it to Trump for "causing the shutdown." Would have to be a massive rural turnout to overcome the retardation here. Personally think the Dems kept the shutdown going to help Spanburger, and they will miraculously vote to open things back up Thursday.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at November 04, 2025 01:04 PM (Swr8B)

314 On the current season of Only Murders In the Building, the murderer turned out to be

SPOILER ALERT!

The mayor of NYC. Coincidence or prophecy?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Oh yeah? Well, You're Another One! at November 04, 2025 01:05 PM (L/fGl)

315 Right about now, Cheney is totally trying to convince God there were WMD’s in Iraq, and God is looking at his watch and tapping his foot.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 04, 2025 01:05 PM (8oMIQ)

316 Cheney was for the war for different reasons than YOU were. He was lying to you and knew it. Once you see it, you can put it cleanly to bed.

Posted by: ... at November 04, 2025 01:05 PM (1fd8X)

317 The AoS Isolationists and Code Pinkers are orgasmic.

I suggest a middle way:

Implement DIME
Peace Through Strength
Deterrence
Military as a last resort (yeah, I guess we could invade Venezuela, or bomb military barracks, but SHOULD we? I don’t think we should.)

And even the isolationists, Code Pinkers, and people who ache for Whiny America can and should know that The Enemy Gets A Vote.

Posted by: Cow Demon at November 04, 2025 01:05 PM (sVOFR)

318 and I plan to live a LOT of bonus time...
Posted by: Nova Local

That's the spirit. Keep it up!

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 01:05 PM (77rzZ)

319 I wish more Republican candidates would get off their asses and start fighting as hard as Trump.

I keep hearing about our party being reformed in a trimpian way, but there is still a shit load of work to do. The bare minimum the GOP could do is stand up and remind every voter that the left is no longer sane. They have not earned any "progressive" badges. They actively stoke violence and celebrate assassinations.

This is very low hanging fruit getting left to rot.

Posted by: Democrats at November 04, 2025 01:05 PM (G+H8O)

320 Nova Local, congrats on kicking cancer's butt and spitting in its face. Were I near you, I'd make whatever treat you CAN eat and bring you some. I've cooked for so many diets and allergies and restrictions over the years.

I have a mammogram and am getting the lump in my head looked at this week. Wish me luck that everything is boring and normal.

Posted by: LizLem at November 04, 2025 01:05 PM (gWBY1)

321 OT: The Dems did vote to continue the shutdown today. Not sure if next vote is Wednesday or Thursday.

Posted by: Nova Local at November 04, 2025 01:05 PM (tOcjL)

322 If Miyares does pull off AG after his October surprise, which helped tighten a lot of races, not just his, he's got to be put in the thought for later higher posts and elections. I mean, before his surprise, done so spectacularly well, it was a previously certain unwinnable year here. Every race was double digits plus coming into October. And he, just he, flipped everything upside down.
Posted by: Nova Local at November 04, 2025 01:00 PM (tOcjL)

Didn't Barry's last-minute campaign swing in VA include an appearance by Jay Jones with Spanberger sharing the stage with him?

Posted by: mrp at November 04, 2025 01:06 PM (rj6Yv)

323 304 Of course the media is saying if the Republicans lose these races in NJ and VA it's a referendum on Trump....I say BS as they are 2 fairly blue States but whatever floats their boat I guess....
----------------
NJ is rigged every election. NOVA doesn't have the punch it thinks it has. Black guys aren't lining up for Spambooger or Jay Jones. This is a VA versus CIA election.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 04, 2025 01:06 PM (jFCkp)

324 I happily voted for Bush/Cheney twice. If I could back in time, I'd hold my nose and vote for Bush/Cheney.

Posted by: one hour sober at November 04, 2025 01:06 PM (Y1sOo)

325 320 Nova Local, congrats on kicking cancer's butt and spitting in its face. Were I near you, I'd make whatever treat you CAN eat and bring you some. I've cooked for so many diets and allergies and restrictions over the years.

I have a mammogram and am getting the lump in my head looked at this week. Wish me luck that everything is boring and normal.

Posted by: LizLem at November 04, 2025 01:05 PM (gWBY1)

Luck (and prayers) are sent - and thanks!

Posted by: Nova Local at November 04, 2025 01:06 PM (tOcjL)

326 I'm embarrassed that I so staunchly defended Bush (and Cheney).

I fucked up and trusted them.

Not sure how or when the scales cleared from my eyes.

But Iraq and Afghanistan quite early on was a wake up call for me.

Eisenhower spoke of EXACTLY this situation.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 04, 2025 01:07 PM (PMtkd)

327 "Already decided you are gonna listen to Naked Eyes?"

Sunn O))). 145dB.

Posted by: gp at November 04, 2025 01:07 PM (7imtn)

328 et al, I''m not trying to guilt-trip myself or anybody else who supported W and Cheney, and mocked the critics.

I just hope I learned something from it. I think I did.
Posted by: gp

I didn't. I turned around and voted for Romney & McCain.

Posted by: rickb223 Acehole Extraordinaire coined by JSpicy at November 04, 2025 01:07 PM (/awz+)

329 As far as the election goes, the communists will win.

Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at November 04, 2025 01:07 PM (qZdIZ)

330 Kudos Ace.

You could have gone low and nobody would have chastised you for it.
Nice fitting eulogy for a guy we used to think highly of in the before days.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at November 04, 2025 01:07 PM (Hx0tZ)

331 I had no idea NoVA was hurting. Kept to himself like a man. Feeling both respect and regret that I've said so many unkind things about Northern Virginia.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at November 04, 2025 01:07 PM (wBaIH)

332 This thread could use a Mannix girl… just sayin’

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at November 04, 2025 01:07 PM (OA/Kt)

333 When Shrub/Cheney were elected the expectation was they would slash the then bloated $2T budget.

HAHAHAHA

Seriously.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 04, 2025 01:07 PM (sKqQm)

334 Posted by: LizLem at November 04, 2025 01:05 PM (gWBY1)

Praying LizLem!!!!

Posted by: ... at November 04, 2025 01:07 PM (1fd8X)

335 322 If Miyares does pull off AG after his October surprise, which helped tighten a lot of races, not just his, he's got to be put in the thought for later higher posts and elections. I mean, before his surprise, done so spectacularly well, it was a previously certain unwinnable year here. Every race was double digits plus coming into October. And he, just he, flipped everything upside down.
Posted by: Nova Local at November 04, 2025 01:00 PM (tOcjL)

Didn't Barry's last-minute campaign swing in VA include an appearance by Jay Jones with Spanberger sharing the stage with him?

Posted by: mrp at November 04, 2025 01:06 PM (rj6Yv)

Yes, on the last day - 1st time he'd been seen with her since the scandal broke...

Posted by: Nova Local at November 04, 2025 01:07 PM (tOcjL)

336 Burn in hell along with Juan McCain.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at November 04, 2025 01:07 PM (3qp0C)

337 >>Sunn O)))

Nice.

Posted by: garrett at November 04, 2025 01:07 PM (UDyAS)

338

ace needs to put up the picture of warcock Cheney sitting on the wall somewhere eating lunch. Got to say that was pretty hilarious. It's really a shame he never adopted the make the rubble bounce position, because that would have saved us a decade of grief and agony and debt

Posted by: imp at November 04, 2025 01:08 PM (g6TN6)

339 Prayers up, Nova and LizLem.

Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 01:09 PM (77rzZ)

340 314 On the current season of Only Murders In the Building, the murderer turned out to be

SPOILER ALERT!

The mayor of NYC. Coincidence or prophecy?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Oh yeah? Well, You're Another One! at November 04, 2025 01:05 PM (L/fGl)

Funny enough, I guessed it when he 1st appeared...if there's a slimy politician, it's always them...

Posted by: Nova Local at November 04, 2025 01:09 PM (tOcjL)

341 I hated his TDS, but I still think he did what he thought was the right thing to do, regardless of the flack he took. He was a strong man, who took no shit.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at November 04, 2025 01:09 PM (Vvh2V)

342 339 Prayers up, Nova and LizLem.
Posted by: Bulg at November 04, 2025 01:09 PM (77rzZ)

Same from me...

Posted by: It's me donna at November 04, 2025 01:09 PM (VE6XX)

343 324 I happily voted for Bush/Cheney twice. If I could back in time, I'd hold my nose and vote for Bush/Cheney.
Posted by: one hour sober at November 04, 2025 01:06 PM (Y1sOo)

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I would too. What choice would we have?

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 04, 2025 01:09 PM (PMtkd)

344 Harriet Hageman primarying Liz then drubbing her 70-30% out of her incumbent seat was delicious and I hope it helped lead to Dick's demise.

Posted by: The Last of The Cheney's at November 04, 2025 01:09 PM (oftw2)

345 "Nice."

How's that again? Can't hear you.

Posted by: gp at November 04, 2025 01:10 PM (7imtn)

346 Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 04, 2025 12:09 PM (iFTx/)

Up the Irons!

(Love that LP)
Posted by: garrett at November 04, 2025 12:18 PM (UDyAS)
_____

I've been getting back into 80s metal after somewhat forgetting about it. Some of the old records from IM, Dio, Priest, etc are better than I remember.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 04, 2025 01:10 PM (iFTx/)

347 The barbed cock of Satan awaits.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at November 04, 2025 01:10 PM (abIsI)

348 we can or should attempt to politically and culturally transform backwards and barbaric societies"

Hey, let's bring them to our magic soil!

Posted by: man at November 04, 2025 01:10 PM (tubbA)

349 >>> Didn't Barry's last-minute campaign swing in VA include an appearance by Jay Jones with Spanberger sharing the stage with him?

Barry will endorse the old and busted man that fantasizes about killing children in VA, but not the new hotness Obama in NYC, aka Mamdami? That's cold.

Posted by: LizLem at November 04, 2025 01:10 PM (gWBY1)

350 So Mamdani blamed Trump for the bomb threats in NJ ? Seriously ?

Posted by: It's me donna at November 04, 2025 01:11 PM (VE6XX)

351 Nude James Comey

Posted by: Elric The Blade at November 04, 2025 01:11 PM (iFTx/)

352 I didn't. I turned around and voted for Romney & McCain.

Me too, in the general. Because what was my other choice? As a rule, Rs are terrible about presenting and supporting alternatives when they matter, in the primary.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 04, 2025 01:12 PM (3nLb4)

353 "So Mamdani blamed Trump for the bomb threats in NJ ? Seriously ?"

That's how you win elections in NYC, I guess.

Posted by: gp at November 04, 2025 01:12 PM (7imtn)

354 324 I happily voted for Bush/Cheney twice. If I could back in time, I'd hold my nose and vote for Bush/Cheney.

Posted by: one hour sober at November 04, 2025 01:06 PM

-----

Bush > Al Gore

Bush >John Kerry

Posted by: Frank Barone at November 04, 2025 01:12 PM (IifOV)

355 Bitches in The office are loudly talking politics.

They are daring me to speak.

Not falling for it.

Nope.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 04, 2025 01:12 PM (W2Pud)

356 I didn't. I turned around and voted for Romney & McCain.
Posted by: rickb223 Acehole Extraordinaire coined by JSpicy at November 04, 2025 01:07 PM (/awz+)

------

Oh, man, I did too.

Didn't we all kind of hold our noses?

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 04, 2025 01:12 PM (PMtkd)

357 I was on a flight in Europe in 2004, and all of the Euros were asking me who would win the election. I said "Bush"'

They all protested that Europeans hated Bush.

I replied "That's why he will win."

Posted by: Thomas Paine at November 04, 2025 01:12 PM (0U5gm)

358 I'd know Muslims for years...but they were the at least nominally moderate ones that would drink beer and hit on women.

I remember a couple of years after 9/11 stopping at a crosswalk in the local big blue shitty because a couple of women with baby carriages were crossing the street and noticing they were in burkas.

At that point I started to wonder if we were going to lose this war.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 04, 2025 01:12 PM (sKqQm)

359 Barry will endorse the old and busted man that fantasizes about killing children in VA, but not the new hotness Obama in NYC, aka Mamdami? That's cold.
Posted by: LizLem at November 04, 2025 01:10 PM (gWBY1)

And odd. Spanberger just sent a PR asking NYC voters not to vote for the Ugandan.

Posted by: mrp at November 04, 2025 01:13 PM (rj6Yv)

360 The security apparatus may have prevented foreign terrorist attacks on the US, but that apparatus itself became a much greater threat than terrorists.

Posted by: Butch at November 04, 2025 01:13 PM (98xTj)

361 I just hope I learned something from it. I think I did.
Posted by: gp

I didn't. I turned around and voted for Romney & McCain.
Posted by: rickb223 Acehole Extraordinaire coined by JSpicy
......

Romney, McCain or B.O?
I think you made the right choices.

Posted by: wth at November 04, 2025 01:13 PM (UjdFS)

362 So what to do? If you solve the problem - destroying Islam's ability to project force - you'll get bad press."

Oh no. Bad press. What will we do?

Posted by: man at November 04, 2025 01:14 PM (tubbA)

363 204 In the event you can't tell...I despise him.
Posted by: Chr

which is fine, however, when he ws vp he was loved, esp here.
Posted by: n at November 04, 2025 12:46 PM (Cew8e)

Dear n: I once loved him as well as GWB. The last decade I love neither.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at November 04, 2025 01:14 PM (MAl//)

364 The security apparatus may have prevented foreign terrorist attacks on the US, but that apparatus itself became a much greater threat than terrorists.

The reason there weren't constant terror attacks after 9/11 is they kicked all the Muslim illegals out of the country.

While this was a good thing Shrub/Cheney did it was one of those "the least you could do" type of things.

Also, amusing that we spent years afterwards arguing we couldn't send the non-Muslim illegals home too

Posted by: 18-1 at November 04, 2025 01:14 PM (sKqQm)

365 259
The Socialist New York City will be fun to watch.

###

You're soaking in it.

Posted by: Madge at November 04, 2025 01:14 PM (zhr8b)

366 I had a bit of a musical surprise. Charo ("I was almost a nun!") came up on my classical guitar playlist and she was . . . not terrible although, surprise!, subtlety and shading are not her thing. Apparently, she studied under Segovia.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Oh yeah? Well, You're Another One! at November 04, 2025 01:15 PM (L/fGl)

367 I voted for McVain but I'd learned my lesson by 2012. I'd caught onto the game by then

Posted by: 18-1 at November 04, 2025 01:15 PM (sKqQm)

368 Disbanding the Iraqi Army was his greatest crime

Posted by: Avi at November 04, 2025 01:15 PM (QecCk)

369
Barry will endorse the old and busted man that fantasizes about killing children in VA, but not the new hotness Obama in NYC, aka Mamdami? That's cold.
Posted by: LizLem

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Strategic waffling. He did call Mamdani and give him 30 minutes' worth of ??? advice and encouragement, tips and tricks, one suspects.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 04, 2025 01:16 PM (n7rxJ)

370 Will we get a side order of fries with our Spamburger?

Posted by: Virginia voters at November 04, 2025 01:17 PM (zhr8b)

371 You're soaking in it.
Posted by: Madge at November 04, 2025 01:14 PM (zhr8b)
>>

"The Gangs of New York" short clips are showing up in my YT page. Prescient?

Posted by: mrp at November 04, 2025 01:17 PM (rj6Yv)

372 I must run my ballot into the dropoff locatation today. It sure does not have the same sense of completing a small civic duty that actually filling in the ballot at a polling place did. But 3 tax increases on it. One to run around our TABOR amendment to let the state keep excess from a previous 'tax the rich' (over 300K) to fund free school meals for all, a second to expand that tax those 'rich folks' by capping their deductions if they itemize (commies don't want people deciding what causes to support with their money) and a local bit to add ambulance service to the Fire Department, that last one might be okay, but they weren't that convincing and they just had to stick in a bit about it being a permanent tax, they can keep any excess they get over the actual cost of the new service.

I think I voted Kerry as a 'protest' against Dubya, twas silly but back then the state was red, and Dubya was 4-5 points ahead and did win here. I voted for McCain and Romney but in hindsight I am glad those POS grifters lost. Voted for Trump 3 times but between the coastie locusts that moved here and the D cheating the state is reliably blue for POTUS.

Posted by: PaleRider at November 04, 2025 01:18 PM (JEcs7)

373 we can or should attempt to politically and culturally transform backwards and barbaric societies"
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The Democrats are going one better and have decided to bring the backwards and barbaric here instead.

Posted by: ... at November 04, 2025 01:18 PM (1fd8X)

374 Things I learned:

- Our government is a giant clusterfuck that can't accomplish anything useful anymore.
- All our politicians are liars and self-dealers.
- All campaign promises end on Inauguration Day.
- Mockery, while Great Fun, is not a fruitful mode of argument, nor of thinking about things.

Among others.

Posted by: gp at November 04, 2025 01:18 PM (7imtn)

375 I still have to step out and piss in the wind against Prop 50 here in CA.

At least the ridiculous ads will stop. So many lies wrapped in emotional blackmail and TDS. The kind of shit that our "voters" love.

Our only hope might be very low turnout for a single issue special election. But then it wouldn't take much cheating to push it through.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at November 04, 2025 01:19 PM (4DY5T)

376 From Ace's archive:

"Dick Cheney once taught a class on international relations at Johns Hopkins. The lectures consisted of Cheney leading a leashed mastiff up to the podium, and then sodomizing it for ninety minutes straight. Students swear they heard it say "Thank you.""

Posted by: Kevin Canuck at November 04, 2025 01:20 PM (RUgsa)

377 nood

Posted by: gp at November 04, 2025 01:20 PM (7imtn)

378 I voted for Palin.

Posted by: ... at November 04, 2025 01:20 PM (1fd8X)

379 It's never funny when somebody dies.

Posted by: ... at November 04, 2025 01:21 PM (1fd8X)

380 The old article about the pitbull/cougar

https://ace.mu.nu/archives/140837.php

Posted by: Random at November 04, 2025 01:21 PM (pVGMp)

381 367 I voted for McVain but I'd learned my lesson by 2012. I'd caught onto the game by then
Posted by: 18-1 at November 04, 2025 01:15 PM (sKqQm)

As I knew everything possible about Benghazi, I am sure you could hear me screaming from FL when Romney gave that election to Barky in the debate. Or when Nuland lied her granny panties off in Congress. Or when Hillary Hag banged, "What does it matter at this point" in her wonky glasses in Congress (actually I was on a ski trip in Big Sky then).

I remember it all. Basically, post Benghazi, I was a raving lunatic for about two solid weeks.

I sniff in disdain at the lot of them.

Now I need to get my BP in normal range and continue on my day. Blows super model kisses.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at November 04, 2025 01:22 PM (MAl//)

382 It is an off-year election without Trump on the ballot. The MAGA coalition has a lot of constituents that are low propensity voters without Trump on the ballot. The Dems are highly motivated and now have more high propensity voters.

Conclusion: we lose all of the noted contests given that we have not been ahead in any Schmolls.

Posted by: Brian at November 04, 2025 01:23 PM (iK8a4)

383 Omg. I had to get up and leave my desk.

Posted by: nurse ratched at November 04, 2025 01:25 PM (W2Pud)

384 Ace
The most important thing for Americans right now is the economy. Not James Coney.
People read about huge layoffs no hiring and they are afraid

Last poll from Morning Consult shows Trump underaged in every swing state.
IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID !!!

Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at November 04, 2025 01:26 PM (FQukp)

385 Cheney ? Chief architect on the failed/fake GWOT which created more terrorists than it killed.
Iraq is now best friends with Iran
Taliban back in charge of Afghanistan
Iraq oil goes to China

o much winning !

Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at November 04, 2025 01:35 PM (FQukp)

386 John Bolton used to be a transnational progressive, until one day Dick Cheney sneered at him and said, "Grow a mustache, man!"

Posted by: sandy burger on December 2, 2005 04:20 AM

Yeesh. That didn't age well...

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, a Black LGBTQ+ female at November 04, 2025 01:42 PM (rRMBj)

387 It's never funny when somebody dies.
Posted by: ... at November 04, 2025 01:21 PM

Tragedy is when I stub my toe. Comedy is when someone falls down a manhole.

Posted by: toby928(c) at November 04, 2025 01:43 PM (jc0TO)

388 There are multiple reports that election authorities in Chester County, PA have scrubbed all independents from the voter roles, so they all independents must vote by provisional ballot.

Posted by: SMOD at November 04, 2025 01:49 PM (RHGPo)

389 My initial exuberant support of guys like Cheney and Rumsfeld and Powell will forever serve as cautionary tales in my political views, as will be my cautious Trust But Verify approach to Trump. Let no narrative or call to patriotism be too easily adopted without proper consideration.

Posted by: red speck at November 04, 2025 01:50 PM (oylnX)

390 Shit his own friend in the face with a shotgun for coming between him and a bird.
Ruthless

Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at November 04, 2025 01:55 PM (xlXHp)

391 The Cheney thread is what got me hooked here. Sodomizing Cougar Man and Marianas Trench for the win.

Posted by: Fritz (not Fritz) at November 04, 2025 01:58 PM (nqAf5)

392 No flaming skull? Has that been banned? I picked a hell of a decade to give up drinking!

Posted by: Unkaren at November 04, 2025 02:03 PM (/16Mi)

393 when assman falls down a manhole, it's High Comedy.

Posted by: toby928(c) at November 04, 2025 02:09 PM (jc0TO)

394 I used to think online income was fake, but then I gave this a chance. Now I’m earning $180+ daily (USD) and my friend recently hit $15k in one month with it. It’s simple

and flexible... https://t0pf0rw0rk87.blogspot.com

Posted by: Mariela Davis at November 04, 2025 02:37 PM (u0Jeq)

395 Just curious, did you like America better in 2001 or today? But just keep on parroting "Neo-con bad, neo-con bad..."

Posted by: Oakeshott at November 04, 2025 03:25 PM (pRW36)

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