Islam's War Against Israel Must Be Flipped Around: Israel's Policy Should Now Be Unrelenting Offense

Wars are immensely complicated human endeavors, and the arrogance of assuming that one's enemy's plans are understandable and manageable is tremendously dangerous.

The ancient Greeks understood that rather well...

Hubris --> Atis --> Nemesis --> Tisis

That sad progression applies perfectly to Israel's military and political hierarchy with respect to Hamas and, to a lesser extent, Hezbollah. For a generation, Israel was willing to accept a certain level of terror attacks against its people, assuming that Hamas accepted that status quo because of the existential risks of all-out war. They also assumed that the the luxurious lives lived by the leaders (and their families) of Hamas in Qatar meant that they did not want to jeopardize that comfort for some unlikely success against Israel's modern military.

Israel also assumed that the oceans of oil money pouring into western capitals and universities would have only limited influence on the support for Israel in America and Europe. In addition, Israel felt that their incredible technological advantages would protect them against internet-based attacks.

And then Israel made tactical decisions that the border with Gaza could be defended with a small, lightly armed force plus automation and high-tech sensor systems. Their intelligence apparatus assumed that they would learn about and be able to defuse any large-scale attack.

Israel's leadership was wrong on all counts, and the catastrophe of October 7, 2023 could have been much worse had the Arab and Muslim propensity for backstabbing, disloyalty, and craven self-interest not held true. Hezbollah did not join the attack until the next day, and they launched rockets but did not attack with troops. Iran did not launch missiles, the Houthis did not launch missiles or drones, and the only real and successful support for Hamas came from the entrenched terror-supporting organizations in the West, on college campuses and in the streets of blue cities.

The profound failure on all Israeli fronts was mitigated by tremendous bravery among the few military personnel who were able to respond, the police, and the relatively few armed civilians who saw the reality on the ground that was still being denied by Israel's elites.

But the damage to Israel's ethos of self defense was profound. But it also came with the realization that Israel's left was simply wrong about the concept of trading land for peace, and more importantly, they were absolutely wrong that there is any accommodation to be made with the 7th century savages whose holy texts command them to kill Jews; who see Jews as subhuman; who consider Israel to be an unconquered part of their Caliphate.

And that sea change, if it survives, will be the basis for a new strategic imperative in Israel. Waiting and watching and attacking only when absolutely necessary may work for awhile, but eventually, one of Israel's many enemies will succeed. And accepting some sort of low-level of terrorist activity in the interests of some tortured geopolitical consideration was just shown to be arrant nonsense.

The first step must be to hunt down every single one of those who perpetrated the October 7th Pogrom. Even if it takes 50 years and Israel kills a grandfather on his deathbed...that must be done.

The second step must be a significant reevaluation of the decision making that leads to defensive strikes against its enemies. Israel waited too long against Iran. Israel waited too long against the Houthis. Israel waited too long against the Hamas leadership in Qatar. Israel may have waited too long to go into Gaza in force! How many hostages could have been saved had they not titrated and equivocated for two years?

Islam must be put on notice that any attacks on Israel and Jews throughout the world will be met with force. And any attacks being planned will be met with force as early as possible. And no level of terrorist activity will be tolerated.

Yes...the world opprobrium will be savage, but how different would it be compared to today? Israel will be vilified no matter what it does, and if they are vilified before a monstrous attack such as October 7th (or worse) occurs, isn't that better than being vilified for its response?

Posted by: CBD at 12:00 PM

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1 I'll fetch em

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2025 12:01 PM (+qU29)

2 I worry this peace plan may not go as planned, negotiations with rapists and Murderers rarely does

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2025 12:03 PM (+qU29)

3 Islam delenda est

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at October 12, 2025 12:08 PM (MpWMW)

4

Shakespeare said it best:

"Take off and nuke it from orbit"

Posted by: Elderly Git at October 12, 2025 12:09 PM (Sx6wJ)

5 CBD, 'unrelenting offense' will almost certainly mean taking and holding territory. The corollary is clearing that territory of its inhabitants. Scourging southern Lebanon (which is, at the moment, a startlingly quiet environment, by appearances) and the 'Palestinian' territories is one thing; how does Israel scourge the Houthis?

Posted by: Nazdar at October 12, 2025 12:12 PM (NcvvS)

6 I worry this peace plan may not go as planned, negotiations with rapists and Murderers rarely does

I'm not worried, I'm confident that it will go no way as planned.

From a spiritual standpoint, man cannot negotiate with the Devil, man can only be deceived. It is arrogant for anyone to think that they can outsmart God's Number One created being that Fell and brought a third of the heavenly host with him.

This will, as can only be expected in a Fallen World, to end in misery and death.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 12, 2025 12:12 PM (a4flb)

7 I need to check with Candace Owens about this.
She's the so-called expert on Israel.

Posted by: redridinghood at October 12, 2025 12:13 PM (NpAcC)

8 And then Israel made tactical decisions that the border with Gaza could be defended with a small, lightly armed force plus automation and high-tech sensor systems.

Where, oh where have I heard that before?

George W. Bush's "high-tech border" was the Secure Border Initiative (SBI), a multi-year plan launched in 2005 that included the development of a "virtual fence" known as SBInet
. The program was later canceled in 2011 after being plagued by significant cost overruns, delays, and technical failures.
Secure Border Initiative (SBI)
Purpose: The SBI was intended to secure the northern and southern U.S. borders and curb illegal immigration through an integrated approach of personnel, technology, infrastructure, and rapid response.
The virtual fence was designed to use a combination of sensors, radar, and cameras to detect border incursions. This was intended to help Border Patrol agents identify and respond to threats in real-time...Program failure: SBInet was ultimately canceled by DHS in 2011. A GAO report identified critical technical issues, such as radar systems that struggled to distinguish between vegetation and people during high winds.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 12, 2025 12:13 PM (Riz8t)

9 Brilliantly stated. I’m still dumbfounded that Israel’s defenses were so weak that Oct 7 could happen in the first place. While the world wants to pretend there will be a two-state solution, Israel must always understand that their enemies will persist in pursuing a one-state solution that does not include Israel.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at October 12, 2025 12:15 PM (d9Cw3)

10 The "Let God sort 'em out" strategy.

Posted by: buddhaha at October 12, 2025 12:17 PM (hYL69)

11 I'm worried about the 2000 Hamas/Palestinian prisoners that are about to be released.

Posted by: redridinghood at October 12, 2025 12:17 PM (NpAcC)

12 2 I worry this peace plan may not go as planned, negotiations with rapists and Murderers rarely does

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2025 12:03 PM (+qU29)

All the Palis have to do is stop wanting to kill the Jews.

We may as well ask them to live without food, water and air....

Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at October 12, 2025 12:17 PM (Sco7b)

13 Great write up CBD. Israel's defensive stance and generosity towards the arabs that call themselves 'palestinian ' needs to change. Not saying they invited 10/7 but they sure did leave a vulnerable and naive population defenseless. That cannot stand.

Posted by: Jay Jones at October 12, 2025 12:18 PM (Bo9Yf)

14 Jay Jones at October 12, 2025 12:18 PM (Bo9Yf)

***

Stupid sock

Posted by: Truck Monkey at October 12, 2025 12:20 PM (Bo9Yf)

15 Don't understand Trump's deals w/ Qatar and Pakistan/Baluchistan (blue water port) then letting Gaza remain. It's disconcerning.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 12, 2025 12:21 PM (dhIRp)

16 I’ll consider this peace plan a success if the hostages are actually released in the next, what, 48 hours. After that all bets are off… Hamas will violate the deal at some point you can take that to the bank. Israel is no longer complacent thank goodness

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 12, 2025 12:24 PM (lepZb)

17 I was unaware that gun control was pervasive in Israel. A tiny country surrounded by murderous mooslim filth should have every citizen armed. You can't live a Disneyland experience when people are out to cut your children's throats.

And the intelligence agencies knew nothing about this gigantic plot? An immense fail, all around. Thought they were better than this.

Posted by: Wachen Sie Auf! at October 12, 2025 12:25 PM (oftw2)

18 >>>how does Israel scourge the Houthis?
Posted by: Nazdar
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First things; clear Gaza and free Lebanon.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 12, 2025 12:25 PM (dhIRp)

19 Is the weather that good? Is everyone having a Columbus Day picnic?

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 12, 2025 12:27 PM (dhIRp)

20 I think Trump's looking at the situation and presuming an agreement is just that, an agreement. Business like. He's often made business orientated comments about Gaza, rebuilding, regional investments and so on.

Doomed to failure, I'd wager, but he did get most of the parties (minus Iran) with a stake in cooling off to agree to cooling it.

It won't last and it won't be the Israelis who start the next round. It's... predictable. But it might provide pretext to what happens later should Hamas perform as expected.

For context; Putin nodded along with Trump in Alaska then promptly bombarded Ukraine. Trump then released weaponry previously held at bay to Z-man while publicly dissing Putin. He was/is pissed about that.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 12, 2025 12:27 PM (Q4IgG)

21 >>Don't understand Trump's deals w/ Qatar and Pakistan/Baluchistan (blue water port) then letting Gaza remain. It's disconcerning.

I don't think it's very complicated. Drag cavemen into the 21st century with trade instead of bullets. Will it work is a much more complicated question.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 12, 2025 12:28 PM (viF8m)

22 Agree with you completely about the mistakes of the past. I could go further and list the many strategic mistakes the IDF has made in Gaza over the last two years but there’s no point. (The failure to close Rafah in the early days was the worst; they allowed Hamas to keep rearming for a year before finally shutting that down)

BUT in the last few months they’ve finally gotten it right, although I still think they have moved much too slowly. Even pulling back to the “yellow line” they still retain effective military control over 53% of Gaza, including all borders. Israel finally has full control of everything entering or leaving. This is supremely significant concerning the ensuing peace deal - Hamas will not be allowed to significantly rearm.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 12, 2025 12:28 PM (mzEwx)

23 When mayhem is the only goal they have left it's time to put them all down.

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at October 12, 2025 12:29 PM (Om+DK)

24 What it is is, people are not aware that the Reading thread no longer runs all the way to Gub thread so they retreat to the back room with their practice putting green.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 12, 2025 12:30 PM (dhIRp)

25 October 12, 2025 12:24 PM (lepZb)

17 I was unaware that gun control was pervasive in Israel. A tiny country surrounded by murderous mooslim filth should have every citizen armed. You can't live a Disneyland experience when people are out to cut your children's throats.

And the intelligence agencies knew nothing about this gigantic plot? An immense fail, all around. Thought they were better than this.
Posted by: Wachen Sie Auf! at October 12, 2025 12:25 PM (oftw2)

Even more than in the US, the leftist legal establishment in Israel has been terrified of allowing those they see as on the right to own firearms, even if slaughter by jihadis is the result. Too much of that warped European sensibility still there. (How dare we let the peasantry arm themselves?)

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 12, 2025 12:31 PM (mzEwx)

26 8
'The virtual fence was designed to use a combination of sensors, radar, and cameras to detect border incursions. This was intended to help Border Patrol agents identify and respond to threats in real-time'

I have no doubt Israel's virtual system detected the hell out of the incursion but they needed to have a force in place that was fast enough to interdict the Gazans.
Or give the people along the Gaza border the ability to defend themselves.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 12, 2025 12:31 PM (fd80v)

27 get the hostages back.
then target the 2000 released.
they may need to maintain a ten mile perimeter, maybe stock it with feral hogs, like a desert moat.

Posted by: cmeat at October 12, 2025 12:32 PM (R11M+)

28 If I was in charge in Israel whenever some bad actor/state tossed a rocket or missile at the country I would send 100 attack aircraft at the offender. That $hit would end real quick.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 12, 2025 12:32 PM (0N4FZ)

29 And the intelligence agencies knew nothing about this gigantic plot? An immense fail, all around. Thought they were better than this.

Israel has its own Deep State and it is as anti-Netanyahu as ours is anti-Trump.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 12, 2025 12:33 PM (mB8QX)

30 All the Palis have to do is stop wanting to kill the Jews.

We may as well ask them to live without food, water and air....
Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at October 12, 2025 12:17 PM (Sco7b)

I think your terms are acceptable.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at October 12, 2025 12:34 PM (S/Y4j)

31 Good write up, CBD.

Posted by: scampydog at October 12, 2025 12:34 PM (g7feq)

32 Well said CBD.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 12, 2025 12:34 PM (2WIwB)

33 It they do not stick to the agreement, if they renege; wipe them out.
That should be the alternative.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 12, 2025 12:35 PM (dhIRp)

34 Did T Mobile give me a banned hash?

Posted by: Oddbob at October 12, 2025 12:35 PM (mB8QX)

35 Nope. Just a slow connection.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 12, 2025 12:36 PM (mB8QX)

36 Another mass shooting in S. Carolina?

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at October 12, 2025 12:37 PM (yF8Zh)

37 I’m still dumbfounded that Israel’s defenses were so weak that Oct 7 could happen in the first place.
Posted by: Buck Throckmorton
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I'm not. They let their Jewish Left control the government, and, just like the Jewish Left in this country, they wanted to disarm the populace. They succeeded. 40 years ago, EBRs (Evil Black Rifle) were common, especially outside the big cities. Then the Israeli version of HCI got their way. "Permits" were required, and individual self protection wasn't a valid reason. On Oct 7, almost no civilians were armed, and we saw the result.
Oct 7 happened because the average Israeli beloved the bs: guns are bad, what do you need one of those things for, the government will take care of you, you're gonna shoot your eye out.
Hopefully, they've learned. Hopefully, we won't require that lesson, or worse.

Posted by: buddhaha at October 12, 2025 12:37 PM (hYL69)

38 Drag cavemen into the 21st century with trade instead of bullets.

All these meetings should have the football in the room.

Posted by: DaveA at October 12, 2025 12:38 PM (FhXTo)

39 34 Did T Mobile give me a banned hash?
Posted by: Oddbob
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Yes, you are not here.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 12, 2025 12:38 PM (dhIRp)

40 >>First things; clear Gaza and free Lebanon.

Not bothered by either, though freeing Lebanon would be tougher than clearing Gaza. When Hamas breaks the deal, would the Israelis have the fortitude, finally and truly, to clear Gaza? Netanyahu still has his Deep State to deal with, and emptying Gaza would set his internal opposition off.

Posted by: Nazdar at October 12, 2025 12:38 PM (NcvvS)

41 Gun control in Israel is an artifact of the lunatic leftist sensibilities of many of the founders.

But it must end. In fact, Israel needs a gun culture similar to America's!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (Flying the American Flag!) at October 12, 2025 12:39 PM (sS4ps)

42 Doomed to failure, I'd wager, but he did get most of the parties (minus Iran) with a stake in cooling off to agree to cooling it.

It won't last and it won't be the Israelis who start the next round. It's... predictable. But it might provide pretext to what happens later should Hamas perform as expected.”

I will argue that this plan is *designed* to fail, and that both Trump and Netanyahu are counting on that. It all depends on the hostages being freed, the first step which should happen over the next 2 days. Once that is accomplished, Israel has no need to keep invading, they instead have the option of sealing Gaza off completely along the current yellow line. Hamas is out of missiles, and no more can be imported. They are going to be preoccupied with killing all of their internal rivals for some time.
What is important is that Stage 2 of the plan is that. Hamas disarm. Of course they will not do this, they’ve already said they won’t. So what does this mean? It means that Israel finally gets their hostages back, the only leverage Hamas had over them, and that stages 2 - 20 of the plan are dead before they’re even tried. No rebuilding, no Arab peace force, just isolation.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 12, 2025 12:39 PM (mzEwx)

43 I don't think it's very complicated. Drag cavemen into the 21st century with trade instead of bullets. Will it work is a much more complicated question.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 12, 2025 12:28 PM (viF8m)
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Doesn't work. Israel in the 70s thought giving Arabs electricity and indoor plumbing would solve everything.

It's not about poverty. Never was.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at October 12, 2025 12:40 PM (yF8Zh)

44 https://tinyurl.com/5n8jcf8w
Jsn-Handwritten Hamas memo exposes scripted nature of Oct. 7 rampage

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2025 12:41 PM (+qU29)

45 I wonder if Isreal has the tech to secretly micro chip the Hamas prisoners it must release? It would make it easier for the drone strikes when that inevitably becomes necessary.

Posted by: Cosda at October 12, 2025 12:42 PM (GPep9)

46 Another mass shooting in S. Carolina?

At a bar on Martin Luther King Jr. street. Conclusion jumping mode: enabled.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 12, 2025 12:42 PM (GH8kX)

47 It's official. The Jets are now the worst football team on two continents.

Imagine getting paid millions of dollars to absolutely suck at your job.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 12, 2025 12:42 PM (viF8m)

48 This is supremely significant concerning the ensuing peace deal - Hamas will not be allowed to significantly rearm.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 12, 2025 12:28 PM (mzEwx)
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Always the optimist. It's just a matter of time until you're proven wrong.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at October 12, 2025 12:42 PM (yF8Zh)

49 Not bothered by either, though freeing Lebanon would be tougher than clearing Gaza“

Agreed. Lebanon is not a real country anymore, just a loose collection of various ethnic and religious groups, each with their own regions and neighborhoods. And up til now, Hezbollah has been the strongest, and the rest don’t have the unity or the will to take them on.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 12, 2025 12:42 PM (mzEwx)

50 Doesn't work. Israel in the 70s thought giving Arabs electricity and indoor plumbing would solve everything.

It's not about poverty. Never was.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at October 12, 2025 12:40 PM (yF8Zh)

Don't forget Bill Gates greenhouses.

Those didn't last long.....

Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at October 12, 2025 12:43 PM (Sco7b)

51 47
'Imagine getting paid millions of dollars to absolutely suck at your job.'

I can do that for a fraction of what they're getting paid.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 12, 2025 12:43 PM (fd80v)

52 It's official. The Jets are now the worst football team on two continents.

Imagine getting paid millions of dollars to absolutely suck at your job.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 12, 2025 12:42 PM (viF8m)

Is that where the Cracker Barrel CEO will end up - as a place kicker for the Jets?

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at October 12, 2025 12:43 PM (S/Y4j)

53 Yes, you are not here.

Have I no bananas?

Posted by: Oddbob at October 12, 2025 12:44 PM (GH8kX)

54 45 I wonder if Isreal has the tech to secretly micro chip the Hamas prisoners it must release? It would make it easier for the drone strikes when that inevitably becomes necessary.
Posted by: Cosda
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Plant a small device w/trigger in the scrotum.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 12, 2025 12:44 PM (dhIRp)

55 Hamas after they withdrawl .
But But no Israeli forces were supposed to remain in Palestine after the accords are enforce!

'You fucked up! You trusted us!'
-The IDF

Posted by: Captain Fantastic at October 12, 2025 12:44 PM (VPPG8)

56 It's official. The Jets are now the worst football team on two continents.

Imagine getting paid millions of dollars to absolutely suck at your job.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 12, 2025 12:42 PM (viF8m)

They’re very creative in finding ways to lose. They really deserved to win that game today, but….

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 12, 2025 12:46 PM (FNvF+)

57 Politicians and other idiots like to talk about peace, love, kumbaya and crap like that, singers and their ilk write songs about it, peace, love, harmony and back door fun, and the media is filled with massages of love, harmony, brotherhood and blah blah blah. Reality is much different. Just visit any large city.

There will be no peace in the middle east until one side or the other totally wipes out the other side. The muzzies just use negotiations to catch their breath and re-arm until the next episode of violence, killing and rape.

Posted by: Bad Bunny at October 12, 2025 12:46 PM (R/m4+)

58 Islam must be put on notice that any attacks on Israel and Jews throughout the world will be met force. And any attacks being planned will be met with force as early as possible. And no level of terrorist activity will be tolerated.
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Safety lies only in eliminating the threat.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 12, 2025 12:46 PM (XeU6L)

59 Israel had a small window when the world had its back. It should have pulverized all of Gaza in that window. Complete annihilation.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 12, 2025 12:46 PM (5Yz+T)

60 Waiting for the arrests, trials, and punishments.

https://tinyurl.com/57ntwy2a

Waiting.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at October 12, 2025 12:47 PM (yF8Zh)

61 I was surprised to see Ivanka Trump on stage with hubby Jerad Kushner at an event celebrating the release of the Israeli hostages yesterday.

Posted by: Captain Fantastic at October 12, 2025 12:48 PM (VPPG8)

62 >>It's not about poverty. Never was.

It's not about poverty. Nobody in Qatar is going hungry. It's about wealth.

Trump made his tour of the Middle East to include Qatar where he made deals worth hundreds of billions in US investment.

Give an Arab a fish and he eats for a day. Take him out on your fishing boat and threaten to throw him overboard unless he stops fucking around and just catches fish is a different situation.

Do you know what hasn't worked over the last couple hundreds years? Everything else.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 12, 2025 12:49 PM (viF8m)

63 It’s not surprising Israel is run by leftists. At its core Israel is a left wing country. It started out as an explicitly socialist country. Guns R bad is part of that ethos.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 12, 2025 12:49 PM (5Yz+T)

64 Tom Servo - yes, the 50-year-old fantasy that Lebanon could do the multi-ethnic, diverse-religious dance is still out there, but it is now less a nation than a congeries - and is more likely to break up formally than it is to hold together.

Still, my question stands: what about the Houthis?

Posted by: Nazdar at October 12, 2025 12:49 PM (NcvvS)

65 Israel had a small window when the world had its back. It should have pulverized all of Gaza in that window. Complete annihilation.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 12, 2025 12:46 PM (5Yz+T)
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Even had Israeli leadership had the brains to do so, I believe the Biden admin was greatly responsible for threatening Israel if they did any such thing.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at October 12, 2025 12:49 PM (yF8Zh)

66 https://tinyurl.com/57ntwy2a

Shocking but not surprising.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 12, 2025 12:50 PM (GH8kX)

67 Dave Smith is a self gassing Jew who has made a nice career over the past 2 years of being pro-Hamas. He’s over the moon with this “peace deal”.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 12, 2025 12:51 PM (5Yz+T)

68 Always the optimist. It's just a matter of time until you're proven wrong.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at October 12, 2025 12:42 PM (yF8Zh)

Israel has said they will maintain 1 mile security corridor around all of Gaza, including the southern border with Egypt. It is up to Israel as to whether or not they maintain significant control over this strip.
I acknowledge that Israeli intelligence knew all about the tunnels in the southern border used for arms smuggling throughout the first year of the war and did absolutely nothing about them. Others can guess why they did that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 12, 2025 12:51 PM (mzEwx)

69 Do you know what hasn't worked over the last couple hundreds years? ~~Everything else.~~ Turning victories into bleeding heart defeatist retreats.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 12, 2025 12:49 PM (viF8m)
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FIFY

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at October 12, 2025 12:51 PM (yF8Zh)

70 67
'Dave Smith is a self gassing Jew who has made a nice career over the past 2 years of being pro-Hamas. He’s over the moon with this “peace deal”.'

If it made Dave Smith happy then it was worth it.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 12, 2025 12:52 PM (fd80v)

71 That 1 mile Buffer needs about a million land mines. And maybe a moat populated with sharks with lasers.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 12, 2025 12:52 PM (5Yz+T)

72 What it is is, people are not aware that the Reading thread no longer runs all the way to Gub thread so they retreat to the back room with their practice putting green.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 12, 2025 12:30 PM (dhIRp)

Is that a polite way of saying that we are playing with our putters?

Posted by: haffhowershower at October 12, 2025 12:52 PM (144I4)

73 Imagine getting paid millions of dollars to absolutely suck at your job.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 12, 2025 12:42 PM (viF8m)

I know, right?

Posted by: politicians at October 12, 2025 12:53 PM (144I4)

74 'Dave Smith is a self gassing Jew who has made a nice career over the past 2 years of being pro-Hamas. He’s over the moon with this “peace deal”.'

If it made Dave Smith happy then it was worth it.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 12, 2025 12:52 PM (fd80v)

I’m saying if he’s happy it means Hamas won. Which is my take on this “peace” deal as well.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 12, 2025 12:53 PM (5Yz+T)

75 Safety lies only in eliminating the threat.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.

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The rapprochement philosophy instituted under Obama (and carried forward by Biden, et al) has threatened the security of western civilization.

See: Valerie Jarrett

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 12, 2025 12:54 PM (XeU6L)

76 Still, my question stands: what about the Houthis?
Posted by: Nazdar at October 12, 2025 12:49 PM (NcvvS)

You noticed the the Israelis wiped out almost the entire Houthi government with some well placed bombs a couple months ago? The only damage the Houthi’s have caused lately was with a drone in a southern city, one which should have been easily shot down by Israeli defenses. I’m sure they’re investigating why those defensies failed.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 12, 2025 12:55 PM (mzEwx)

77 acknowledge that Israeli intelligence knew all about the tunnels in the southern border used for arms smuggling throughout the first year of the war and did absolutely nothing about them. Others can guess why they did that.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 12, 2025 12:51 PM (mzEwx)

I recall they tried to flood them. They did a whole pump water out of the sea thing. I guess it didnt work?

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 12, 2025 12:55 PM (5Yz+T)

78 Do you know what hasn't worked over the last couple hundreds years?
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This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: Neville Chamberlain at October 12, 2025 12:56 PM (XeU6L)

79 Shocking but not surprising.
Posted by: Oddbob
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https://tinyurl.com/y2tnr72d

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 12, 2025 12:57 PM (dhIRp)

80 The problem in a nutshell. One of these is not like the others:

Rapid Response 47
@RapidResponse47
1h

"Muslims and Jews and Christians all seem unified that it's a really good thing for the world... and it happened because of President Trump's leadership," says @VP on the Gaza Peace Deal.

"If we can build a sustainable peace, I'm 100% sure Americans will be safer because of it."

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at October 12, 2025 12:57 PM (yF8Zh)

81 Terrorism works. Worked for Hamas. Also worked for Jimmy Kimmel’s supporters who threatened to blow up abc stations. Same concept. You give in once, they have you by the balls forever.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 12, 2025 12:58 PM (5Yz+T)

82 I wonder if Isreal has the tech to secretly micro chip the Hamas prisoners it must release? It would make it easier for the drone strikes when that inevitably becomes necessary.
Posted by: Cosda

Better yet, send every Hamas back with a visible incision, neatly stitched up. Leak that a undetectable tracking device has been implanted. Hundreds will be butchered as their buddies search for the tracker that isn't there. The rest will be shunned, for the tracker that isn't there.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at October 12, 2025 12:58 PM (Ai3df)

83 Imagine getting paid millions of dollars to absolutely suck at your job.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 12, 2025 12:42 PM (viF8m)

I know, right?
Posted by: politicians

Shit happens.

Posted by: JaMarcus Russell, purple drank king at October 12, 2025 12:58 PM (LjSYW)

84 74
I was saying with sarcasm that Dave Smith is a jerk and doing anything that he liked is the opposite of right.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 12, 2025 12:59 PM (fd80v)

85 Better yet, send every Hamas back with a visible incision, neatly stitched up. Leak that a undetectable tracking device has been implanted. Hundreds will be butchered as their buddies search for the tracker that isn't there. The rest will be shunned, for the tracker that isn't there.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy

Let the problem take care of itself.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at October 12, 2025 01:00 PM (LjSYW)

86 Tom, yes, but my original comment was take and hold the territory.

Side note: We haven't heard anything about missile strikes in the Red Sea; I wonder if merchant shipping has returned there.

Absent outside support, I don't see the Israelis doing take and hold in Yemen.

Posted by: Nazdar at October 12, 2025 01:00 PM (NcvvS)

87 I recall they tried to flood them. They did a whole pump water out of the sea thing. I guess it didnt work?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 12, 2025 12:55 PM (5Yz+T)

That happened in Gaza City. It failed because the tunnels were dug through sand, and the water ran out into the surroundings as fast as it was pumped in.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 12, 2025 01:01 PM (mzEwx)

88 >>>"If we can build a sustainable peace, I'm 100% sure Americans will be safer because of it."
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs
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VP said, sustainable.
That boy worries me sometime.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 12, 2025 01:02 PM (dhIRp)

89 That 1 mile Buffer needs about a million land mines. And maybe a moat populated with sharks with lasers.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 12, 2025 12:52 PM (5Yz+T)

Use the movie "Escape from New York" as a template.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at October 12, 2025 01:02 PM (Ai3df)

90 Hold on a bloody second here. The British Education Secretary wants to assure you that it was Britain that brought about this " peace deal"

Ambassador Huckabee told her she was straight out delusional.

Posted by: Ben Had at October 12, 2025 01:03 PM (QGLzn)

91 : Nazdar reminds me of someone. Can't quite put my thumb on it.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 12, 2025 01:04 PM (dhIRp)

92 >>>It's official. The Jets are now the worst football team on two continents.

Imagine getting paid millions of dollars to absolutely suck at your job.
Posted by: JackStraw

>Not to worry. The Babylon Bee says Dirty Sanchez is heading back for another 5 year stint. Oh yeah!

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at October 12, 2025 01:04 PM (Om+DK)

93 87
'It failed because the tunnels were dug through sand, and the water ran out into the surroundings as fast as it was pumped in.'

It seems like tunnels made from media that is that porous would collapse the time.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 12, 2025 01:04 PM (fd80v)

94 Didn't do it because that's where the hostages were.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 12, 2025 01:06 PM (dhIRp)

95 >>They’re very creative in finding ways to lose. They really deserved to win that game today, but….

Bunch of fucking lollygaggers.

https://tinyurl.com/3bunscjj

Posted by: JackStraw at October 12, 2025 01:06 PM (viF8m)

96 Absent outside support, I don't see the Israelis doing take and hold in Yemen.
Posted by: Nazdar at October 12, 2025 01:00 PM (NcvvS)

Israel has too small a population to take and hold anything, thst is simply not an option. Never forget, Isreal is just 16 million persons stuck permanently fighting 1 billion barbarians. Complete victory is never a possibility, not even a hope.
Yet this fight has gone on for thousands of years, and the Jewish nation is not defeated yet, while history is littered with the carcasses of their enemies.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 12, 2025 01:07 PM (mzEwx)

97 Iran's last remaining play in the near term is the West Bank, where they've been increasing arms smuggling. Looks like Israel is finally going to pretty much close, and fortify, the Jordanian border. The whack-a-mole in the West Bank has been under way for a bit though it gets little attention.

Even by Middle East standards the West Bank situation is an effed up mess with no elegant solutions (glib chest-thumping ones abound but aren't happening).

The Shi'a axis is gutted, Israel is now a regional super-power (only one in the world), generational change in Arab states plus the complete evaporation of the eliminationist fantasy will likely move more states into the Abraham framework (Oman, Saudi, most likely), though that may still glitch on residual "two state" kabuki.

Gaza will likely remain a mess, peace plan elements to move it much beyond basic reconstruction are long-shots but need to be attempted.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 12, 2025 01:09 PM (U/Byj)

98 Israel has too small a population to take and hold anything, thst is simply not an option. Never forget, Isreal is just 16 million persons stuck permanently fighting 1 billion barbarians. Complete victory is never a possibility, not even a hope.
Yet this fight has gone on for thousands of years, and the Jewish nation is not defeated yet, while history is littered with the carcasses of their enemies.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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Excellent points.

Posted by: whig at October 12, 2025 01:09 PM (WDjG6)

99 Braenyard, been reading (mostly lurking) here for about 20 years. I rarely commented before I retired earlier this year. I think I've used about 3 socks in total. Don't know who you think I might be, but nobody has ever socked me (pretty sure).

I have had a few SPONGEs, but the first 2 were on krakatoa's weekend EMTs.

Posted by: Nazdar at October 12, 2025 01:12 PM (NcvvS)

100 Hubris --> Atis --> Nemesis --> Tisis"

1911? Oh, Tisas.

Nevermind...

Posted by: man at October 12, 2025 01:12 PM (tubbA)

101 It seems like tunnels made from media that is that porous would collapse the time.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 12, 2025 01:04 PM (fd80v)

If you saw any of the film clips made inside them by the IDF, that’s what all the concrete imported by the UNWRA was used for.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 12, 2025 01:13 PM (mzEwx)

102 Yemen situation remains a thorn. If the Yemenis can't fix it, and so far they haven't been able, hard to see it being fixed. Inch-deep take on this is that the Houthi operation is entirely dependent on int'l humanitarian aid to keep their population out of crisis, almost all the bad stuff they need to import (weapons) come in by easily interdicted sea routes. If one could navigate international idiocy/outrage on the aid side by ramping it down, while also imposing a naval quarantine, perhaps the other Yemeni side could end the Houthi thing.

But my impression is that that is a very long shot.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 12, 2025 01:14 PM (U/Byj)

103 93 87
'It failed because the tunnels were dug through sand, and the water ran out into the surroundings as fast as it was pumped in.'

It seems like tunnels made from media that is that porous would collapse the time.
Posted by: Dr. Claw

Not sand so much as the underlying material is porous--think more like sandstone and limestone instead of igneous. Easy enough to tunnel in limestone/sandstone but the material itself is porous over time.

The major reason I think Israelis abandoned the project is fear of harming hostages and the seawater was destabilizing buildings above. Israelis, for better or worse, are fighting this war as humanely as possible and to keep casualties to a minimum.

The problem with the Western way of warfare is that enemies are not permanently defeated and enemies have plenty of low iq dumbasses to expend for the glory of jihad while their masters sit in luxurious bunkers or out of the country in places like Qatar in luxurious circumstances.

Funny now that Pakistan is getting blowback from its Afghani doublecross of the US. Recent suicide bombing in Quetta for a Taliban offshoot led to bombing of Kabul (and mebbe elsewhere).

Posted by: whig at October 12, 2025 01:15 PM (WDjG6)

104 FWIW, not surprised at Israeli efforts, as war is terribly hard work and requires immense resources.
We're spoiled.

Posted by: man at October 12, 2025 01:15 PM (tubbA)

105 I always nodded
You can lead a commenter to a thread but you can't make them comment

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2025 01:16 PM (+qU29)

106 Completely agree, Tom @ 96. The Israelis have no choice but to keep up the fight, and God willing, ensure that their enemies know the price of fighting against them shall be hideous.

Posted by: Nazdar at October 12, 2025 01:17 PM (NcvvS)

107 In unrelated news, Candace Owen is still nuttier than squirrel turds.

https://is.gd/wFQXyl

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at October 12, 2025 01:17 PM (vKEG1)

108 The problem with the Western way of warfare"

Current western idiocy. The western method is to flood the zone...

Posted by: man at October 12, 2025 01:17 PM (tubbA)

109 That damn Trump is cheating again! The troops were supposed to starve!

https://is.gd/h8etF8

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Going For the Brass Ring! at October 12, 2025 01:17 PM (L/fGl)

110 Imagine getting paid millions of dollars to absolutely suck at your job.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 12, 2025 12:42 PM (viF8m)

YOOHOO!! *waves*

Posted by: R. Madcow at October 12, 2025 01:19 PM (5xuJ/)

111 In unrelated news, Candace Owen is still nuttier than squirrel turds.

https://is.gd/wFQXyl

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo

Sounds like Robert Ludlum novel.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Going For the Brass Ring! at October 12, 2025 01:20 PM (L/fGl)

112 Tis is what?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Going For the Brass Ring! at October 12, 2025 01:22 PM (L/fGl)

113 >>The problem with the Western way of warfare is that enemies are not permanently defeated and enemies have plenty of low iq dumbasses to expend for the glory of jihad while their masters sit in luxurious bunkers or out of the country in places like Qatar in luxurious circumstances.

And that's exactly how you beat them. The world will never be rid of lunatics who will commit violence as long as someone funds them. We see it every single day with antifa.

The National Guard will do a great job of smacking down loons when the riot but if you want to stop the riots from happening you take away the money. That's exactly what the Trump administration is trying to do right now with antifa. Without funding lunatics die. Take out the masters either with bullets or make it more profitable to stop funding loons.

Trump has help end 8 wars since taking office. And he's doing it with trade.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 12, 2025 01:23 PM (viF8m)

114 103
'The major reason I think Israelis abandoned the project is fear of harming hostages and the seawater was destabilizing buildings above. '

I wonder if they could create enough carbon dioxide to saturate the tunnels with.

'Funny now that Pakistan is getting blowback from its Afghani doublecross of the US.'

About all of Pakistan's schemes seem to backfire. They're the Wile E.Coyote of south Asia.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 12, 2025 01:23 PM (fd80v)

115 @102 rhomboid, missed your analyses when you were gone for a few months. Don't know what operational seaports the Houthis still have. Any ordnance would have to come overland from Saudi Arabia or Oman, and by sea through the Red Sea or the Gulf of Aden. Doubt that the Saudis or Omanis would pass anything; could the Israelis take out the sea routes?

Posted by: Nazdar at October 12, 2025 01:23 PM (NcvvS)

116 98 Israel has too small a population to take and hold anything, thst is simply not an option. Never forget, Isreal is just 16 million persons stuck permanently fighting 1 billion barbarians. Complete victory is never a possibility, not even a hope.
Yet this fight has gone on for thousands of years, and the Jewish nation is not defeated yet, while history is littered with the carcasses of their enemies.
Posted by: Tom Servo
=======
Excellent points.
Posted by: whig
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Reminds me of 18th century Great Britain.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 12, 2025 01:23 PM (dhIRp)

117 There's a three-part meme I saw that explains this pretty well.

Part one
Bush to terrorists: We need to talk
Terrorists: We'll bomb you

Part two
Obama to terrorists: We need to talk
Terrorists: We'll bomb you

Part one
Tump to terrorists: We'll bomb you
Terrorists: we need to talk

Posted by: scottst at October 12, 2025 01:24 PM (QnmQf)

118 BBC

Netanyahu to give statement ahead of expected hostage release - watch and follow live
published at 20:13
20:13
BREAKING
We're expecting to hear from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the next few minutes.

Posted by: m at October 12, 2025 01:24 PM (aURVT)

119 BBC Live feed

https://www.bbc.com/news/
live/cder1pg17yrt

Posted by: m at October 12, 2025 01:25 PM (aURVT)

120 ""Islam must be put on notice that any attacks on Israel and Jews throughout the world will be met force. And any attacks being planned will be met with force as early as possible. And no level of terrorist activity will be tolerated.""

Islam needs to put on notice that attacks on ANYBODY throughout the world will activate the Carthage protocol.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at October 12, 2025 01:25 PM (snZF9)

121 >>Islam needs to put on notice that attacks on ANYBODY throughout the world will activate the Carthage protocol.

+1

Posted by: Nazdar at October 12, 2025 01:26 PM (NcvvS)

122 We're expecting to hear from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the next few minutes.
Posted by: m
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Don't go heavy on the links.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 12, 2025 01:26 PM (dhIRp)

123 Peace in the Middle East could be achieved if the Jews would just give up their vice like grip on life!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Going For the Brass Ring! at October 12, 2025 01:28 PM (L/fGl)

124 >>>Islam needs to put on notice that attacks on ANYBODY throughout the world will activate the Carthage protocol.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division
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They've been told that but no State has ever followed through. Completely, except Carthage which was so long ago they've forgotten.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 12, 2025 01:29 PM (dhIRp)

125 Antifa terrorists need to be put down like rabid canines. No mercy except death. Make a choice.

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at October 12, 2025 01:29 PM (Om+DK)

126 ""The first step must be to hunt down every single one of those who perpetrated the October 7th Pogrom. Even if it takes 50 years and Israel kills a grandfather on his deathbed...that must be done.""

Yup, absolutely. Then continue onto the asshole clerics who groom the next generation.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at October 12, 2025 01:30 PM (snZF9)

127 My solution for the Houthis , which the US began but didn’t finish, is to eliminate all of their port facilities and eliminate all of their electrical generating plants. They’re not a manufacturing society, so if they want to live in the 7th century, cut them off and let them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 12, 2025 01:31 PM (mzEwx)

128 I'll remain dubious 'til Tuesday afternoon. Hamas can't help themselves. It's Lucy and the football.

If instead they DO return those alive and dead, and treat it like the world's largest victory celebration, Israel should begin the final destruction of Gaza, and bring in 100 train loads of salt.

Posted by: M. Gaga at October 12, 2025 01:33 PM (TJQqd)

129 OK, gotta go. Appreciating the conversation, gentlemen. Will check back later, after the thread expires.

Posted by: Nazdar at October 12, 2025 01:34 PM (NcvvS)

130 Obama forced taxpayers to sink $1.6 billion into this solar farm and now it's closing

https://is.gd/Nztdtr

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It's closing because it doesn't, you know, work.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Going For the Brass Ring! at October 12, 2025 01:36 PM (L/fGl)

131 Report out today that the famous/infamous Mr. FAFO had actually been killed in Gaza.

I will make a shocking prediction - yes of course he has been killed, but in 2 days we will see a shocking resurrection and he will be good as ever!

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 12, 2025 01:37 PM (mzEwx)

132 Islam will continue to be an existential threat to the West - and to civilization, itself - until it is eradicated, much as were Imperial Japan and NAZI Germany. It is worse than either, has been the cause of more human death than anything other than smallpox, and is quite proud, verbal and demanding that WE change OUR ways to accommodate a bunch of humanity's losers. Israel v Gaza is attacking symptoms and then putting on a bandaid. Same with Israel v Hezbollah, US v Iran, etc. The proper, adult, historical response to 10/7, would have been a tactical nuke on 10/8; the proper, adult, historical response to 9/11, would have been strategic nukes on Riyadh, Mecca, Medina, Kabul, Islamabad on 9/12. We may not be interested in islam, but islam is interested in us. Islam MUST be annihilated if the Free World, liberty and progress are gong to continue.

Posted by: Alexander Scipio at October 12, 2025 01:37 PM (029Oi)

133 Totally correct, CBD. When Palis march in the UK, and Israel supporters have a counter demonstration, seems only the Jews get arrested. Including Blair in this pseudo-peace was bullshit.

Posted by: night lifted at October 12, 2025 01:37 PM (/YboP)

134 Schumer’s Shutdown: Democrats Say They’ll Hold Out Until "Planes Fall Out of the Sky"

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You know, for the children.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Going For the Brass Ring! at October 12, 2025 01:41 PM (L/fGl)

135 Yet Islam is maybe within 20 years of taking over most of Europe

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2025 01:42 PM (+qU29)

136 Yemen situation remains a thorn. If the Yemenis can't fix it, and so far they haven't been able, hard to see it being fixed. Inch-deep take on this is that the Houthi operation is entirely dependent on int'l humanitarian aid to keep their population out of crisis, almost all the bad stuff they need to import (weapons) come in by easily interdicted sea routes. If one could navigate international idiocy/outrage on the aid side by ramping it down, while also imposing a naval quarantine, perhaps the other Yemeni side could end the Houthi thing.

Agree.

---------Yemeni Cricket

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 12, 2025 01:43 PM (g8Ew8)

137

Anonosaurus Wrecks,

They are evil.

Posted by: fourseasons at October 12, 2025 01:44 PM (3ek7K)

138 Megatons for mecca.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at October 12, 2025 01:44 PM (/WQ5i)

139 There is no way that ALL of the hostages will be 'released'... ie... meaning their dead bodies.

Some will be faked, like the one last year, the last time they agreed to 'Peace'.

Within weeks, they will start killing again.

Just like on the Internet we have the 24 hour rule on stories? You need a 6 month rule with the Palis.

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 12, 2025 01:45 PM (mP0Kj)

140 [German] Leftist Mayor Tortured Almost to Death by Adopted Migrant Daughter

https://is.gd/npgWPk

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Toxic compassion.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Going For the Brass Ring! at October 12, 2025 01:45 PM (L/fGl)

141 Y'all know how I feel about this. The entirety of Gaza should have been a smoking crater by end of business day on October 8th, civillians and all.
I suppose I would've settled for October 14th, to allow for time to make sure the attack came from Hamas.
Israel needs to get over worrying about what anyone says. They're going to be accused of genocide no matter what they do.
Israel also needs to get over worrying about hostages. CBD was kind enough to explain the emotions behind it, but it is beyond insane to have let this drag on for years because of the hostages, and worrying about civillians and the opinions of people who mostly hate them anyway.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at October 12, 2025 01:46 PM (Vvh2V)

142 Don't go heavy on the links.

Those yummy little breakfast sausage?

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at October 12, 2025 01:46 PM (/WQ5i)

143 122 We're expecting to hear from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the next few minutes.
Posted by: m
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Don't go heavy on the links.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at October 12, 2025 01:26 PM (dhIRp)

I am guessing it was in Hebrew? I can't find it anywhere. BBC has typed snippets in English.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/
cder1pg17yrt

Posted by: m at October 12, 2025 01:49 PM (aURVT)

144 Better yet, send every Hamas back dead.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at October 12, 2025 01:49 PM (ZmEVT)

145 Just like on the Internet we have the 24 hour rule on stories? You need a 6 month rule with the Palis.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 12, 2025 01:45 PM (mP0Kj

6 months?

Someone's an optimist this Sunday.

Posted by: Posted by: Stateless - VERY GRATEFUL, BLESSED, LOVED AND HAPPY! -- - New Life Creation - 18.1% at October 12, 2025 01:50 PM (Sco7b)

146 It's closing because it doesn't, you know, work"

Vegas Porsche dealer hardest hit...

Posted by: man at October 12, 2025 01:50 PM (tubbA)

147 Arr matey, the margins they be blown!

Posted by: man at October 12, 2025 01:51 PM (tubbA)

148 The new Hamas theme.

All we are saying is give us the cash.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Going For the Brass Ring! at October 12, 2025 01:52 PM (L/fGl)

149 114 103
'The major reason I think Israelis abandoned the project is fear of harming hostages and the seawater was destabilizing buildings above. '

Posted by: Dr. Claw at October 12, 2025 01:23 PM (fd80v)

Is that a bad thing? Because regardless the tunnels will collapse in time. The whole place is undermined. Get it over with quick and then build the Gaza Strip Vacation Resort.

Who built Gaza in the first place? I have vague recollections that it was the jews and they were none to happy when Isreal forced them to move out and give everything to the PA.

Posted by: Reforger at October 12, 2025 01:56 PM (D89Gv)

150 Imagine getting paid millions of dollars to absolutely suck at your job.
Posted by: JackStraw

How about 1.5 billion?
*slurp*

Posted by: Kamala! at October 12, 2025 01:57 PM (gKWVE)

151 The only way any of this 'genocide' bullshit enters the conversation is if you have an archaic view of the evolution of humanity. Tribalism is a social construct of the past.

Everybody exploits the tribalist mentality to gain an upper hand and expose weakness. What's the goal? Territory and resources?

We're all fucking savages.

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at October 12, 2025 01:57 PM (Om+DK)

152 135 Yet Islam is maybe within 20 years of taking over most of Europe
Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2025 01:42 PM (+qU29)

I would put it this way - Europe may be 20 years away from completely collapsing in in itself, with Islam standing by to pick up the pieces.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 12, 2025 01:58 PM (mzEwx)

153 1STWP NOOD

Posted by: Skip at October 12, 2025 02:01 PM (+qU29)

154 139 There is no way that ALL of the hostages will be 'released'... ie... meaning their dead bodies.

Some will be faked, like the one last year, the last time they agreed to 'Peace'.

Within weeks, they will start killing again.

Just like on the Internet we have the 24 hour rule on stories? You need a 6 month rule with the Palis.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 12, 2025 01:45 PM (mP0Kj
Children of shaitan gotta be children of shaitan. They worship death and lies.

Posted by: Eromero at October 12, 2025 02:01 PM (jgmnb)

155 but it is beyond insane to have let this drag on for years

Notes:
Hamas losing for 2years.
Netanyahu still PM.
2/1400 = .142%

Posted by: DaveA at October 12, 2025 02:01 PM (FhXTo)

156 "Too much of that warped European sensibility still there. (How dare we let the peasantry arm themselves?)"
Tom Servo at October 12, 2025 12:31 PM (mzEwx)

I am a strong supporter of Israel but no-one should forget that the Jewish left is (largely) the intellectual wing of the left. This is no surprise.
Similarly they have waging lawfare against Prime Minister Netanyahu since forever.

I now discover that the British government has been trying to disarm us since 1924 (surprisingly, there were no celebrations of the centenary last year).

The Fabians (the intellectual wing of the British Labour party) actually had, as their emblem, a stained glass window of a wolf in sheep's clothing.
You cannot despise the Left enough.

Posted by: Clovis Sangrail at October 12, 2025 02:22 PM (3hVx8)

157 It is hard to admit, but Trump has saved Bibi's butt.
1. There is a significant number of Israelis who will give up anything to get the hostages back. Israeli is not united. Trump helps Bibi on that front and gives him cover from the populace who wants to wipe Gaza from the face of the earth.
2. Trump convinces Bibi that he can't fight the world, even with US help.
3. Since it is likely the deal goes sideways, given Hamas in general, Bibi gets carte blanc to wipe them out.
This doesn't include all the good things it does for Trump.

Posted by: Lurking Cheshirecat at October 12, 2025 02:22 PM (w3u3d)

158 Now translate to CONUS.

Posted by: epador at October 12, 2025 02:31 PM (EBSeK)

159 I disagree

Posted by: Pkeaton at October 12, 2025 02:38 PM (fVTv8)

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