Chicago Antifa Terrorists Box In an ICE Vehicle and More Antifa Ram Another ICE Van;<br><i>CHICAGO POLICE ORDERED TO FLEE THE AREA AND RENDER NO ASSISTANCE TO FELLOW LEOs UNDER ATTACK</i>

Chicago Antifa Terrorists Box In an ICE Vehicle and More Antifa Ram Another ICE Van;
CHICAGO POLICE ORDERED TO FLEE THE AREA AND RENDER NO ASSISTANCE TO FELLOW LEOs UNDER ATTACK

The Democrat-Antifa-Media Cult is making it clear that yes, Antifa are their street paramilitaries and operate under color of law at the direction of Democrat politicians.

Shocking video captured the moment an unhinged driver rammed into an Immigration and Customs Enforcement vehicle in Chicago amid a spate of attacks on federal agents.
The chaotic scene unfolded when the black SUV was caught on camera suddenly plowing into the back of the ICE truck in the middle of heavy traffic on Saturday, the Department of Homeland Security said.
The driver then chased the ICE vehicle before repeatedly slamming into its bumper in front of shocked bystanders.
Scores of federal agents could be seen drawing their guns in a bid to prevent the driver from fleeing.
It wasn't immediately clear if the driver was apprehended.
The assault came soon after Border Patrol agents shot a gun-toting woman elsewhere in the city when an angry mob of anti-ICE protesters ambushed federal agents and boxed them in with 10 vehicles.
The woman, Marimar Martinez, as well as another driver, Anthony Ian Santos Ruiz, were both arrested and branded "domestic terrorists."
"The scene became increasingly violent as more domestic terrorists gathered and began throwing smoke, gas, rocks, and bottles at DHS law enforcement," DHS said.
Several Border Patrol agents were injured as the violent scenes unfolded, according to authorities.

Chicago Police were ordered to allow the terrorists to attack ICE and Border Patrol personnel.

Two longtime, ranking Chicago police sources sharply rejected the department's assertion that officers responded to calls for help from ICE agents who were rammed and surrounded by protesters on Saturday, telling Fox News the official statement is, in their words, "COVER THEIR A-- BULLS--T!!"
Their comments come as Fox News obtained an internal dispatch revealing that Chicago police officers were ordered by their chief of patrol not to respond after Border Patrol agents called for help, saying they were boxed in and surrounded following a ramming incident outside the city, according to multiple federal and Chicago law enforcement sources.
Fox News reviewed the computer-aided dispatch message sent to Chicago police officers by their chief of patrol. The message instructed officers not to respond to a Saturday morning ramming on the southwest side of the city in which an armed woman was shot and agents were boxed in and surrounded.
"PLEASE CHIEF OF PATROL NO UNITS WILL RESPOND TO THIS AS RELATED FROM 04-Oc5-2025/12:34:44...CALLER IS 1 OF APPROX 30 ARMED PATROL AGENTS (ICE) WHO ARE BEING SURROUNDED BY A LARGE CROWD OF PEOPLE REQUESTING CPD," the dispatch message read.
On Saturday morning, federal agents were rammed and trapped by 10 vehicles, where anti-ICE crowds had gathered for days. Nearly a dozen people were arrested.
In a statement Sunday, the Chicago Police Department disputed claims that officers failed to respond, saying they were on scene to manage safety and document the incident.
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But two senior Chicago police sources told Fox News the department's statement was false -- and that internal communications tell a very different story.
One ranking source told Fox News that the Chicago Police Department's statement is "not true," pointing to "legit" dispatch audio.

BREAKING: 🚨 Dispatch audio CONFIRMS Chicago police were ORDERED not to assist Federal Agents that were cornered earlier today in Chicago.

Agents were ACTIVELY IN ROUTE when the order was given.

Dispatcher initially seemed slightly taken back by the order, but promptly… pic.twitter.com/0pRTyp7PxZ
— E X X ➠A L E R T S (@ExxAlerts) October 5, 2025

UPDATE: Marxist racist Brandon Johnson confirms that the cops were told to render no aid to ICE and Border Patrol agents -- and in fact were told to protect "protesters," by which he means the Antifa/Democrat Street Militias.

🚨 JUST IN: Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson CONFIRMS officers were told to stand down after a terror attack on federal immigration agents. pic.twitter.com/XekUxmQ8Sg

He said their top priority is protecting the right to "PROTEST" rather than rounding up illegal alien criminals.…
— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) October 6, 2025

The National Police Union calls the CPB's open alliance with Antifa terrorists "shocking."

But is it any longer?

The nation's largest police union condemned reports that Chicago officers were told not to help ICE agents surrounded by protesters, calling it "shocking" and a violation of law enforcement's duty to protect fellow officers in danger.
Presidents of the National Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) and Illinois State FOP expressed shock at reports that Chicago's chief of patrol directed officers not to assist U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents as they were surrounded by protesters on Saturday.
"Details are still emerging, but it appears that officers from the Chicago Police Department were ordered not to assist a group of ICE agents while they were physically threatened by what appeared to be an angry mob," said National FOP President Patrick Yoes in a press release. "Let me be clear, both the National FOP and the Illinois FOP believe that when an officer calls for assistance, you answer, no matter what."
Yoes and Illinois State FOP President Chris Southwood said the directive violated the most basic principle of law enforcement -- officers helping other officers in danger.
They cited the Illinois Trust Act, which limits local police involvement in immigration enforcement, and said it is contributing to a breakdown between local and federal law enforcement, particularly in sanctuary cities like Chicago.
The FOP also cited Department of Homeland Security data showing ICE agents have faced a 1,000% increase in violence since the start of the year.

Trump says he's sending 400 Texas National Guard officers to guard ICE facilities in Illinois, Oregon, and other states in insurrection.

President Trump is deploying 400 Texas National Guard troops to Illinois, Oregon, and other states as swarms of anti-ICE protesters continue to clash with federal agents, Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker said Sunday night.
The Democrat blasted Trump's "invasion" hours after the president mobilized 300 California National Guard members to Portland, where unrest has raged for over 100 consecutive days outside an immigration detention center -- a scene that has been playing out in Chicago since September.
Pritzker said the plan defies his wishes, adding that federal officials haven't reached out to coordinate or discuss the deployment.
"We must now start calling this what it is: Trump's Invasion," the governor said in a post on X, encouraging "every American to speak up and help stop this madness."

Posted by: Ace at 03:41 PM

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1 had a hunch

Posted by: DanMan at October 06, 2025 03:42 PM (8uzBS)

2 'mmm roomy

Posted by: DanMan at October 06, 2025 03:42 PM (8uzBS)

3 peaceful even

Posted by: DanMan at October 06, 2025 03:43 PM (8uzBS)

4 Four words: "DISPERSE OR BE SHOT!"

Posted by: ShainS -- The Sombrero Memes Will Continue Until Morality Improves! at October 06, 2025 03:43 PM (1rIjH)

5 not shocking at all

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at October 06, 2025 03:43 PM (K7MIk)

6 now it's getting scarry

Posted by: DanMan at October 06, 2025 03:43 PM (8uzBS)

7 Blondi is on it.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 06, 2025 03:43 PM (PVITw)

8 And we have pissant judges ORDERING the Commander in Chief around

Posted by: steevy at October 06, 2025 03:44 PM (YwEeS)

9 The Confederates also believed that federal property in their states was off-limits to federal troops.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at October 06, 2025 03:44 PM (CwhoI)

10 Time for fighting fire with fire. Who is the chief of patrol and where does he/she live?

Seems only fair at this point.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 06, 2025 03:45 PM (t2Bdx)

11 Donald won't comply. The Supremes confirmed months ago that he still controls the military, not Judge Karin.

Posted by: Crusader at October 06, 2025 03:45 PM (TN0g+)

12 The liberals are pushing their minions towards violence and are hoping for a large body count of *peaceful protestors* at the hands of the feds.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 06, 2025 03:45 PM (0N4FZ)

13 Wow. Pretty ballsy, Fat Man

Posted by: Zeera , Damn Right I voted for all of this! at October 06, 2025 03:45 PM (HqkRa)

14 The Dems aren't soft on crime.

The Democrat Party is the political wing of the crime syndicates.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 06, 2025 03:45 PM (sKqQm)

15 Don't look at me. I tried my best to prevent this.
-- Zombie Mrs. O'Leary's cow

Posted by: Bulg at October 06, 2025 03:46 PM (77rzZ)

16 SF writer Keith Laumer wrote tons of SF in universes where the CDT "Corps Diplomatique Terrestrine" was all powerful militarily but the diplomats and bureaucrats kept messing it up aside from one junior diplomat Retief saving the day. The author worked in the Diplomatic Service for years.

The Retief books are lots of fun, and man is he brutal to diplomats LOL

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at October 06, 2025 03:46 PM (dfIr7)

17 This is Obama's "Civilian Force, Just as Funded as any Army".

Posted by: XTC at October 06, 2025 03:46 PM (UnA8+)

18 The FOP also cited Department of Homeland Security data showing ICE agents have faced a 1,000% increase in violence since the start of the year.

Funny, I remember when pushing a cop was an insurrection worthy of 4 years in a black site.

Now though...its just mostly peaceful protesting right?

Posted by: 18-1 at October 06, 2025 03:46 PM (sKqQm)

19 ICE needs MRAPS or STRIKERS, and screw the autos trying to block them.

Posted by: MkY at October 06, 2025 03:46 PM (+Pp+Q)

20 Illinois puts the blame where it belongs:

Indiana.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 03:46 PM (krQz2)

21 President Trump is deploying 400 Texas National Guard troops to Illinois, Oregon, and other states as swarms of anti-ICE protesters continue to clash with federal agents, Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker said Sunday night.

Weapons free or don't send them.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 06, 2025 03:47 PM (JnEe8)

22

The police running away means that these asshoe judges will have a much more difficult time seeing their TROs upheld on appeal.

Posted by: imp at October 06, 2025 03:47 PM (g6TN6)

23 Pritzker said the plan defies his wishes, adding that federal officials haven't reached out to coordinate or discuss the deployment.

And they're not going to, because you're obviously in a state of insurrection.

"We must now start calling this what it is: Trump's Invasion," the governor said in a post on X, encouraging "every American to speak up and help stop this madness."

Good luck. The American people support what Trump is doing. Why don't you go pillage a buffet or ten.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 03:47 PM (Riz8t)

24 The Governor of Oregon sure sounds like he is in insurrection...

Posted by: steevy at October 06, 2025 03:47 PM (YwEeS)

25 Pritzker said the plan defies his wishes
.......

El Gordo's brother is a tranny.

Posted by: wth at October 06, 2025 03:47 PM (UjdFS)

26 The judge in Portland has already blocked any National Guard deployment to Portland, be it Oregon, California, or Texas National Guard.

She determined that there was no significant threat from the nightly riots in front of the ICE building in Portland, and that therefore there was no reason to deploy the Guard.

Why do you need the Executive Branch when there are judges to do law enforcement risk assessments?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 06, 2025 03:47 PM (xTIDn)

27 If Pritzger weren't ab le to get to his neighborhood deli, the National Guard would be ordered on scene instanto.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 06, 2025 03:47 PM (PVITw)

28 Why are the police chief and watch officer not being arrested by US Marshalls?

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 06, 2025 03:48 PM (0U5gm)

29 Arrest the mayor and the police chief.

Posted by: Bulg at October 06, 2025 03:48 PM (77rzZ)

30 Johnson is probably trying to prompt an actual shoot between ice and the city police. If ice kills a cop, it's useful. If the cops kill ICE, then he can expect trump to ratchet up the pressure and give him his glorious bolshevik revolution.

If this happens, can someone make sure to earmark this fucker to be shot so he does not see the bloody conflagration?

Hypothetically.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at October 06, 2025 03:48 PM (zZu0s)

31 ‘Get a little cocoa butter’: Whoopi Goldberg tells people to wear Latinoface to Super Bowl to confuse ICE

… so ‘brown face’ is allowed

Posted by: SMOD at October 06, 2025 03:48 PM (RHGPo)

32 If this is true, theh Chief of Patrol needs to be perp-walked on video, prior to getting a free vacation in Gitmo as a domestic enemy of the Constitution of the United States.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2025 03:48 PM (qpyNK)

33 And if their dipshit Mayor and dipshit Chief of Police aren't reprimanded, charged, or replaced it wouldn't surprise me at all if at some point a Chicago police unit ends up opening fire on the Feds.

Posted by: Crusader at October 06, 2025 03:48 PM (TN0g+)

34 Remember the government mandating you can't leave your house if you don't take the clot shot is just a normal, everyday sort of government action.

However the government rounding up invaders is tyranny, fascism, and worse then Hitler all rolled into one

Posted by: 18-1 at October 06, 2025 03:48 PM (sKqQm)

35 Is it cheating if I read ACE before anyone else, including Instapundit? Been feeling something approaching guilt ever since the accusation went out from El Jefe

Posted by: Rando Calrissian at October 06, 2025 03:49 PM (FqkvB)

36 This is gonna be great!

Posted by: pudinhead at October 06, 2025 03:49 PM (AdHga)

37 Marimar Martinez, as well as another driver, Anthony Ian Santos Ruiz, "

Funny, that.

Posted by: man at October 06, 2025 03:49 PM (tubbA)

38 The Governor of Oregon sure sounds like he is in insurrection...
Posted by: steevy at October 06, 2025 03:47 PM (YwEeS)

She. Tina Kotex.

I understand your confusion because Speaker Johnson and her look a lot alike: the glasses, the haircut, the manly jaw.
If Johnson got his hair bleached white and stood up straight he too could look like a lesbian western state governor,

Posted by: Kindltot at October 06, 2025 03:49 PM (rbvCR)

39 had a hunch
Posted by: DanMan at October 06, 2025 03:42 PM (8uzBS)
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well, I had your lunch

Posted by: JB Pritzger at October 06, 2025 03:49 PM (PVITw)

40 38 Hey man I'm not a biologist...

Posted by: steevy at October 06, 2025 03:50 PM (YwEeS)

41 The assault came soon after Border Patrol agents shot a gun-toting woman elsewhere in the city when an angry mob of anti-ICE protesters ambushed federal agents and boxed them in with 10 vehicles.

Since both Chicago and Illinois leadership has declared war against the United States, I have zero problems with ICE agents going weapons free anytime there is a threat.

Send in the national guard and drag these insurrectionist politicians into GTMO

Anything less is surrendering to the Communist party.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 03:50 PM (/TiS1)

42 I am proud to announce I am joining the cast of "My 400 Pound Life"

Posted by: JB Pritzger at October 06, 2025 03:50 PM (PVITw)

43 so this is going to get interesting. as someone on X noted earlier today regarding oregon, the last time a state refused to observe the federal nature of a federal building, Ft. Sumpter was the nexus of activity...

Posted by: Sturmtoddler at October 06, 2025 03:50 PM (nXhwP)

44 Pritzker so wants to run for President. Not going to happen, fatty. You’re not a Kennedy, and your family is a freak show. Well, more than the Kennedys, anyway.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 06, 2025 03:51 PM (705BX)

45 Hey man I'm not a biologist...
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Have you considered a career in Supreme Court Justicing?

Posted by: Crusader at October 06, 2025 03:51 PM (TN0g+)

46 The left: Why can't we doxx ICE agents?

Also the left: The assault came soon after Border Patrol agents shot a gun-toting woman elsewhere in the city when an angry mob of anti-ICE protesters ambushed federal agents and boxed them in with 10 vehicles.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 06, 2025 03:51 PM (sKqQm)

47 As said, the Democrat/ Marxists joining Antifa Anarchists or decaring neutrals

Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2025 03:51 PM (7YtcZ)

48 They are a terrorist organization. I don't understand why they aren't arrested en masse when they show up. And then sent to Gitmo.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 06, 2025 03:51 PM (rvwwT)

49 Whiff of the grape.

Posted by: Napoleon at October 06, 2025 03:51 PM (TbWk/)

50 I'd say it's way past time for a whiff of grapeshot, but I suspect these bastards are itching for another Kent State/Boston Massacre event.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 06, 2025 03:51 PM (ySpAZ)

51 It's against the law to impede an officer in the exercise of his duty. Why can't ICE arrest the idiot mayor of Chicago and the spherical governor for the same reason.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 03:51 PM (Riz8t)

52 Pritzker and other Illinois communists having a live news conference now:

https://tinyurl.com/mtfxdbxc

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2025 03:51 PM (qpyNK)

53 >>>"We must now start calling this what it is: Trump's Invasion," the governor said in a post on X, encouraging "every American to speak up and help stop this madness."

They really, REALLY want another Kent State, and they are willing to sacrifice their foot soldiers lives to make that happen.

Ghouls.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 06, 2025 03:52 PM (i24o9)

54 Didn't 7 die and 30 or so were shot in Chicago over the weekend ?

Posted by: It's me donna at October 06, 2025 03:52 PM (VE6XX)

55 >>WGN News, John Catanazara temporarily steps down from state police union board, Oct. 2, 2025

The head of the Chicago police union says he is taking a leave of absence from his post as vice president of the Illinois Fraternal Order of Police.
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>National Affairs, Number 65, Fall 2025
The Trouble with Police Unions
Daniel DiSalvo
Fall 2020

It begins, "This past spring, the killing of George Floyd sparked protests and riots in cities nationwide. State and local governments responded by banning choke holds and other police tactics. Some are now seeking to reduce police funding."

Do read.
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Much of Antifa is union.

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at October 06, 2025 03:52 PM (NFX2v)

56 Blue States and cities gonna blue... what you gonna do?

Federalize the shit outta them!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 06, 2025 03:52 PM (zTWGi)

57 Why do you need the Executive Branch when there are judges to do law enforcement risk assessments?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 06, 2025 03:47 PM (xTIDn)
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We just need to get rid of executive powers

...

Until the Dems win again and have trouble bringing a red state to heel.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 03:52 PM (krQz2)

58 I remember when even questioning your Federal betters was worth 25 to life.

Posted by: ... at October 06, 2025 03:52 PM (o1u+L)

59 In case you thought I was kidding:

https://tinyurl.com/46a3n3ac

Posted by: wth at October 06, 2025 03:52 PM (UjdFS)

60 The Governor of Oregon sure sounds like he is in insurrection...

Remember Trump incited a riot and started an insurrection when he said ".... go peacefully ..." These governors and mayors are outright demanding violence.

They wanted to throw Trump in prison for asking his supporters to peacefully protest. What is the appropriate sentence for leaders calling for the murder / assassination of ICE and their family members?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 03:53 PM (/TiS1)

61 I'd say it's way past time for a whiff of grapeshot, but I suspect these bastards are itching for another Kent State/Boston Massacre event.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 06, 2025 03:51 PM (ySpAZ)

lol @ horde mind

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 06, 2025 03:53 PM (i24o9)

62 Chicago is one of the most corrupt cities in America. It is a one-party blue city in a one-party blue state, controlled by the mafia, the mafia-controlled unions, the cartels, and the street gangs doing their bidding.

Cleaning up Chicago means diminishing the massive flow of money paid to corrupt cops for the paid protection rackets they provide, as well as disrupting the money flowing into the Democrat Party Machine.

That's why Chicago can't afford to help enforce the law. It hurts their most important constituents financially.

Posted by: Sam Adams at October 06, 2025 03:53 PM (X+xvk)

63 Send in the national guard and drag these insurrectionist politicians into GTMO

The only problem there is that Pritzker would be on prison rations and would doubtless lose weight, enhancing his electoral appeal.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 03:53 PM (Riz8t)

64 I heard my momma cry,
I heard her pray the night Chicago died.

Posted by: Bulg at October 06, 2025 03:53 PM (77rzZ)

65 And I'll remind you that per the AoS Style Guide, nobody under the age of....flips pages...75...yes, 75...is allowed to refer to "whiff of the grape" or any of its variations.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Posted by: Crusader at October 06, 2025 03:53 PM (TN0g+)

66 There can be no other conclusion - the mayor of Chicago wants both ICE agents and antifa members to die.

I mean dispatching the cops is about protecting the citizens as much as the ICE agents. Deescalating the situation.

Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at October 06, 2025 03:53 PM (gDhA9)

67 > Much of Antifa is union.
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at October 06, 2025 03:52 PM (NFX2v)

Don't you have to have had a job at some point to join a union?

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at October 06, 2025 03:53 PM (qpyNK)

68 The police running away means that these asshoe judges will have a much more difficult time seeing their TROs upheld on appeal.

As part of Oregon's attempt to block deployment of the National Guard, a Portland police sergeant filed a statement saying that the solution to conservatives being repeatedly assaulted by Antifa in front of the ICE building was for conservatives to stop being in front of the ICE building.

That's not going to help Portland's defense in the upcoming DOJ civil rights investigation one little bit.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 06, 2025 03:54 PM (xTIDn)

69 Where is the And so it begins... guy?

Posted by: steevy at October 06, 2025 03:54 PM (YwEeS)

70 I am proud to announce I am joining the cast of "My 400 Pound Life"

Posted by: JB Pritzger at October 06, 2025 03:50 PM (PVITw)
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Sounds like making weight is going to be a tough road ahead for you. Good luck.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 03:54 PM (krQz2)

71 Arrest the whole Chicago government

Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2025 03:54 PM (1nfzE)

72 Geez, Ace, gimme a H/T. Just kidding.

Looking forward to CPD Officer Ramirez, Officer Kowalski, and Officer Jackson standing up to National Guard M-4s. How much are they really gonna put up with to get that almighty Illinois pension? Suckers.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 06, 2025 03:54 PM (qwx/I)

73 Runaway!! Runaway!!!

Posted by: Chicago Police at October 06, 2025 03:55 PM (krQz2)

74

I know Simon, he's dyed in the wool liberal, but Immergut? She was supposed to be modestly "Portland" conservative. I would not be surprised if there have been overt or subtle threats

Posted by: imp at October 06, 2025 03:55 PM (g6TN6)

75 Whoops. Whooosiee!!! There goes Civil war II. Starts in Chicago...spreads to other blue shit hole cities. Meanwhile, China goes for broke in Twaiwan. Coincindence....

Posted by: I think not at October 06, 2025 03:55 PM (TLpVe)

76 It becomes less and less about the Dems the longer this goes.

Posted by: Sports Illustrated PR team at October 06, 2025 03:55 PM (s9EN2)

77 If someone truly cares about enforcing laws and serving the community, there are thousands of other government agencies that do that. The people who join ICE are authoritarian monsters too incompetent to get hired anywhere else.

They're the people who were afraid that DEI would bring unqualified people in positions with responsibility.

I think we can safely assume that ICE/WH’s version of events is all lies until proven otherwise. No way would they let her go if she was armed, they have killed an unarmed man who drove off.

there's a video. no 10 cars. they rammed her. I guess when an entire city is against you, you feel boxed in wherever you go. Maybe they’d have more luck in some trash city in Florida. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Of course nothing will happen and they will probably charge the victim with attempted murder.

that video is crazy! It looks like the victim was waiting for the semi to pass and ICE rammed them, then they shot her? Crazy video it looks like it was instigated by ICE and I doubt she had a gun.

If this were Fallujah this video might make some sense.

Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 06, 2025 03:55 PM (JCZqz)

78 Cops are going to follow orders. Gotta get that pension, yo.

And they shouldn't be apprehending the driver, they should be dragging its bullet-riddled corpse out of the car.

Or are ICE and cops just easy targets?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at October 06, 2025 03:55 PM (xcxpd)

79 Shocking but not surprising.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 06, 2025 03:55 PM (63Dwl)

80 Where is the And so it begins... guy?
Posted by: steevy at October 06, 2025 03:54 PM

OBE.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 06, 2025 03:56 PM (ySpAZ)

81 It's against the law to impede an officer in the exercise of his duty. Why can't ICE arrest the idiot mayor of Chicago and the spherical governor for the same reason.

Because they don't want to.

And because they can't. The DOJ/FBI is neutered and incompetent. Be thankful to God above that the FBI is no longer actively seeking out and persecuting Christians.

We lose the country to the Neo-Marxist Boleshevicks and plunge the globe into a thousand years of darkness, but hey, we didn't make the moderates upset with us.

Trump needs a wartime consigliere.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 03:56 PM (/TiS1)

82 Arrest the whole Chicago government
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I'd be good with merely starting with the Mayor and the Chief of Police. We can always go back for more later if need be.

Posted by: Crusader at October 06, 2025 03:56 PM (TN0g+)

83 Don't larder up GITMO!
El Salvador needs the money!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 06, 2025 03:56 PM (zTWGi)

84 72 CPD Officer Ramirez, Officer Kowalski, and Officer Jackson

Did they walk into a bar?

Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at October 06, 2025 03:56 PM (0bjKf)

85 The police running away means that these asshoe judges will have a much more difficult time seeing their TROs upheld on appeal.

One of our Horde lawyers can speak to this better than I but it's my understanding that TROs are not usually appealable* since they're, well, temporary. But if ever there was good cause for an exception, this would be it.

(* spellchoke doesn't think that's a word but you get my meaning)

Posted by: Oddbob at October 06, 2025 03:56 PM (3nLb4)

86 Same thing happened at Berkely, Portland, and Seattle in the first term. Cops protect or stand down when fight happen. Probably same for Rittenhouse riots.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 03:56 PM (8avO+)

87 Bondi should be looking into how the federals handled insurrectionist Dems in the 50/60s...

Posted by: 18-1 at October 06, 2025 03:57 PM (sKqQm)

88 Shameful.

Are any Chicago police ashamed, but too scared to speak up (even under a whistleblower protection?).

Glad I don't live in one of these lovely blue cities.

So, from comments, IF there is an uncivil war, is it just going to be in these cities?

I am not really in the mood right now. If it was August and 100 degrees I might consider, but fall is lovely in the mountains and I become trad wife and actually cook for the man I married in fall and winter. And mellow out.

Oregon Antifa has been asking for this for decades, or since Chaz. They will be an easy victory for the National Guard. Unsure about shitcago.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at October 06, 2025 03:57 PM (6PCLE)

89 Happy for Texas to go up there but it would be better if Saluki guardsmen were patrolling the streets of Chicago. Let red counties retake their cities.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at October 06, 2025 03:57 PM (GD2xa)

90

What does Paul Ryan think about this?

Posted by: E Buzz at October 06, 2025 03:57 PM (7PLlJ)

91 85 The police running away means that these asshoe judges will have a much more difficult time seeing their TROs upheld on appeal.

One of our Horde lawyers can speak to this better than I but it's my understanding that TROs are not usually appealable* since they're, well, temporary. But if ever there was good cause for an exception, this would be it.

(* spellchoke doesn't think that's a word but you get my meaning)
Posted by: Oddbob at October 06, 2025 03:56 PM (3nLb4)

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Correct, but OP probably meant a generalized order and threw TRO out there in haste.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 03:57 PM (GBKbO)

92 I knew my party would eventually come around to my way of thinking.

Posted by: Orville Faubus at October 06, 2025 03:57 PM (7CamO)

93 They gotta start lighting these motherfuckers up with machine guns.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at October 06, 2025 03:58 PM (snZF9)

94 All I can say is - keep arresting and give them LOOOONG jail sentences. 5 years minimum. Each and every person who interferes.

Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at October 06, 2025 03:58 PM (gDhA9)

95 Are you enjoying the second term of President John Roberts? Refill your popcorn, you’re going to love the next part.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at October 06, 2025 03:58 PM (MgacP)

96 Looking forward to CPD Officer Ramirez, Officer Kowalski, and Officer Jackson standing up to National Guard M-4s. How much are they really gonna put up with to get that almighty Illinois pension? Suckers.

Is the National Guard even armed? I thought they only bear arms when guarding the Capitol and the Communists within to perfect their overthrow of the government in 2020.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 03:58 PM (KhyP1)

97 And I'll remind you that per the AoS Style Guide, nobody under the age of....flips pages...75...yes, 75...is allowed to refer to "whiff of the grape" or any of its variations.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Posted by: Crusader at October 06, 2025 03:53 PM (TN0g+)

what about us reenactors when we talk of things that happen during reenactments, regardless of th elocation...?

Posted by: Sturmtoddler at October 06, 2025 03:58 PM (nXhwP)

98 Hawaiian judges and all, I suppose its too much to ask to cut off federal dollars to Chicago.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 06, 2025 03:58 PM (rvwwT)

99 The police running away means that these asshoe judges will have a much more difficult time seeing their TROs upheld on appeal.

One of our Horde lawyers can speak to this better than I but it's my understanding that TROs are not usually appealable* since they're, well, temporary. But if ever there was good cause for an exception, this would be it.

(* spellchoke doesn't think that's a word but you get my meaning)
Posted by: Oddbob at October 06, 2025 03:56 PM (3nLb4)

Trump has been fighting TROs on the regular his whole second term. They can be appealed to a higher court, especially when based on biased judges not based on law.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 03:58 PM (8avO+)

100
"Urban cities farmers"??

"mayor" shithead, what is President Trump interested in?

https://is.gd/3tvjvh

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 06, 2025 03:58 PM (n1EBp)

101 JB Pritzker said Sunday night.
The Democrat blasted Trump's "invasion" hours after the president mobilized 300 California National Guard members to Portland, where unrest has raged for over 100 consecutive days outside an immigration detention center
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Fuck off, Sir Cumference.

Posted by: ballistic at October 06, 2025 03:58 PM (3BwY8)

102 Now they're actively aiding and abetting a domestic terror organization. I wonder what that will get them. In an ideal world they'd all be rolled up on federal charges and serve life in supermax. In the real world, I doubt much will happen to them at all. But we'll see.

Posted by: This is what ACTUAL insurrection looks like at October 06, 2025 03:58 PM (TbWk/)

103 As always, if you want to stop Antifa/BLM/etc you have to roll up their organizers and funders.

The average street level thug isn't afraid to get arrested because he will get paid for it.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 06, 2025 03:59 PM (sKqQm)

104 but Immergut? She was supposed to be modestly "Portland" conservative

She's a Bushie who was acceptable to Oregon's two left-wing Democratic senators.

As for why, it's for the same reason judges on the DC Circuit move to the Left - all the people you meet socially are Left, so you get lots of approval for moving to the Left.

Immergut is the toast of Official Portland at the moment.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 06, 2025 03:59 PM (xTIDn)

105 If I wanted to destroy Chicago, what choices would I make that differ from Brandon Johnson? I can't think of a single one.

Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at October 06, 2025 03:59 PM (gDhA9)

106
The Democrat blasted Trump's "invasion" hours after the president mobilized 300 California National Guard members to Portland, where unrest has raged for over 100 consecutive days outside an immigration detention center -- a scene that has been playing out in Chicago since September.

Pritzker said the plan defies his wishes, adding that federal officials haven't reached out to coordinate or discuss the deployment.

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It defies his blubber.

The federal government has no reason to notify the governor of their plans, since he will forward the information to Antifa, and otherwise sabotage and oppose what they do.

Armored vehicles. The National Guard has them. They crush cars.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at October 06, 2025 03:59 PM (+5VI6)

107 Bondi should be looking into how the federals handled insurrectionist Dems in the 50/60s...
Posted by: 18-1 at October 06, 2025 03:57 PM (sKqQm)

Put them in charge of our universities, media and governments?

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at October 06, 2025 03:59 PM (MgacP)

108
Farmers in urban cities.

pot dealers??

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 06, 2025 03:59 PM (n1EBp)

109 99 Trump has been fighting TROs on the regular his whole second term. They can be appealed to a higher court, especially when based on biased judges not based on law.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 03:58 PM (8avO+)

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TROs are unappealable. They're temporary, extend to no more than 14 days, and there is no legal mechanism for appeal.

It's the Preliminary Injunctions that are appealable.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 03:59 PM (GBKbO)

110 Where is Atticus Finch when you need him?

Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 03:59 PM (Riz8t)

111 The Neo-Confederate cities and states aren't playing around anymore. Their destruction of the nation by a thousand cuts of nullification just didn't have the juice. The next step is to amp things up until blood starts being shed. Charlie Kirk just may have been the first casualty of This Neo-Confederate insurrection. The Major blue cities have effectively seceded from the nation with this latest move by the Chicago police to stand down so the federal police can be killed and the Portland Police protecting the insurrectionists outside the ice; everything's starting to look like something out of Mogadishu.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at October 06, 2025 03:59 PM (aJQjq)

112 78 Cops are going to follow orders. Gotta get that pension, yo.

Looks like they followed under protest. Don't ask someone else to be a hero unless you are willing to be a hero yourself.

That said, the DOJ could - I think - legally offer amnesty and matching pension to any cop willing to follow Federal instructions where the State and City refuse and are threatening their future.

Posted by: gKWVE at October 06, 2025 03:59 PM (gKWVE)

113 We are now on the razor's edge. Prayers to any sane folk stuck in those places.

Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum at October 06, 2025 03:59 PM (OUMaO)

114 All I can say is - keep arresting and give them LOOOONG jail sentences. 5 years minimum. Each and every person who interferes.

Have you noticed that the judges have zero inclination to hand out sentences to Antifa?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 03:59 PM (KhyP1)

115 National Police Union calls the CPB's open alliance with Antifa terrorists "shocking."

—

And will continue sending millions to the Democrat party nonetheless.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at October 06, 2025 04:00 PM (wrRTB)

116 And Fatso triples down on his "if her skirt weren't so short" excuse.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 06, 2025 04:00 PM (tT6L1)

117 Donald won't comply. The Supremes confirmed months ago that he still controls the military, not Judge Karin.

Posted by: Crusader at October 06, 2025 03:45 PM (TN0g+)

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Old & Busted: A Scold of Covid Karens.
New Hotness: A Coven of Judge Karins.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Sombrero Memes Will Continue Until Morality Improves! at October 06, 2025 04:00 PM (1rIjH)

118 Jefferson Davis Pritkzer?

Posted by: Dempsey at October 06, 2025 04:01 PM (3ElW7)

119 TROs are unappealable. They're temporary, extend to no more than 14 days, and there is no legal mechanism for appeal.

It's the Preliminary Injunctions that are appealable.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 03:59 PM (GBKbO)
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Then we'll probably get a TRO after that as well.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 04:01 PM (krQz2)

120 Legal Insurrection
Illinois sues Trump.for NG deployment
Guess ICE is on their own
Commissar Judge stops Frds from sending NG to Oregon
Guess Civil War Ii is heating up

Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2025 04:01 PM (7YtcZ)

121 It would be even easier if Trump started deuptizing Texans to guard ice facilities.

It would be a BYOG deploy

Posted by: n at October 06, 2025 04:01 PM (7neCS)

122 Bondi should be looking into how the federals handled insurrectionist Dems in the 50/60s...
Posted by: 18-1 at October 06, 2025 03:57 PM (sKqQm)

Put them in charge of our universities, media and governments?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at October 06, 2025 03:59 PM (MgacP)

Oh, sorry, you meant the conservative southerners who were trying to prevent the anti-white communist nightmare world we now inhabit where white children are gleefully murdered and the system protects their killers. Not the far-left Democrats like Bill Ayers..

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at October 06, 2025 04:02 PM (MgacP)

123 119 Then we'll probably get a TRO after that as well.
Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 04:01 PM (krQz2)

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Heh.

Portland District judge has actually filed two separate TROs on this matter. One for calling the NG and the other for calling another state's NG.

Still, they're temporary road blocks. Frustrating, but soon to be forgotten.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 04:02 PM (GBKbO)

124 TROs are unappealable. They're temporary, extend to no more than 14 days, and there is no legal mechanism for appeal.
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Pardon my ignorance, but is there not even an "emergency" appeal where one could argue the TRO will cause irreparable harm?

Posted by: Crusader at October 06, 2025 04:02 PM (TN0g+)

125 "99 The police running away means that these asshoe judges will have a much more difficult time seeing their TROs upheld on appeal."

You are correct sir! You can't claim that the place isn't lawless when you simultaneously order the police not to enforce the law. If the police can't and won't protect ICE facilities, then by definition the area is a riot zone and lawless, and the national guard is wholly appropriate to deploy. You can't withdraw police at the same time you claim there is not a security problem.

Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at October 06, 2025 04:02 PM (gDhA9)

126 We have to get rid of public pensions

Posted by: n at October 06, 2025 04:02 PM (7neCS)

127 What seems to be lost in the shuffle is the firearm used by the woman in the initial ICE confrontation.

I thought Illinois was a gun free mecca with no gun violence due to their wonderful gun laws?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 06, 2025 04:02 PM (tT6L1)

128 Bondi should be looking into how the federals handled insurrectionist Dems in the 50/60s...

Hegseth should have listened to the wisdom of Biden and Fartswell and send in F-16s. (not sure what a fighter would do in such a case, though I do see function for AC-130s)

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 04:03 PM (KhyP1)

129 127 What seems to be lost in the shuffle is the firearm used by the woman in the initial ICE confrontation.

I thought Illinois was a gun free mecca with no gun violence due to their wonderful gun laws?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 06, 2025 04:02 PM (tT6L1)

Fuckin' Todd from Indiana...

Posted by: All his fault at October 06, 2025 04:03 PM (TbWk/)

130 Well, ICE needs to start shooting back. Kill a few and the rest will fold like a wet taco.

Posted by: Less Talk More Action at October 06, 2025 04:03 PM (doWZh)

131 "Don't ask someone else to be a hero unless you are willing to be a hero yourself."

LOL

Posted by: Sports Illustrated PR team at October 06, 2025 04:03 PM (s9EN2)

132 Jefferson Davis Pritkzer?

Nope. Davis was a West Pointer, a distinguished officer in the Mexican-American War, and Sec War before the CW. He'd been there, done that. Pritzker is a geometric shape.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 04:04 PM (Riz8t)

133 Hmmm...
Benny Johnson
@bennyjohnson

Chicago PD Superintendent delivers a brutal warning to Antifa: Threaten law enforcement, and they will not hesitate to use deadly force.

So in other words… FAFO.

“Federal agents, ICE, HSI, are officers. They are agents of law enforcement.”

“When you plow into a vehicle that contains law enforcement agents, you're using deadly force. And they can use deadly force in response to stop you.”

“If you box them in with vehicles, it is reasonable for them to believe that they are being ambushed and that this could end in a deadly situation. And it's reasonable for them to use force based on those conditions.”

https://tinyurl.com/3usx8em6

Posted by: redridinghood at October 06, 2025 04:04 PM (NpAcC)

134 Oh, sorry, you meant the conservative southerners who were trying to prevent the anti-white communist nightmare world we now inhabit

It has become increasingly clear that the "just give the mice a cookie" argument was foreseen by the Democrats in the South (and Boston) who were balking at the coming demand for glasses of milk.

Posted by: gKWVE at October 06, 2025 04:04 PM (gKWVE)

135 So we have a situation wher now its unsafe for ice to do its job so they have to get out of chicago

or

Ice has to gun up, start rolling with armor and air?

Posted by: n at October 06, 2025 04:04 PM (7neCS)

136 I wonder when the administration will realize we're at war with the left.

And act accordingly. Instead of waiting for a black robed savant to say it's OK to start busting heads.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 06, 2025 04:04 PM (Q4IgG)

137 I'm still stuck on the fact that El Gordo's brother is a tranny.
The ugliest damn thing I've ever seen.

Posted by: wth at October 06, 2025 04:04 PM (UjdFS)

138

If a TRO or PI (preliminary injunction) exceeds the court's constitutional authority, the executive branch can seek a writ of mandate. Also, because these orders are hot button issues, a court may certify it's order for a direct appeal. Finally, it is typically the refusal of the district ct to stay the TRO/PI that goes up on appeal, and FRAP (rules of app procedure) 8(a)(C) allows such interlocutory appeals

Posted by: imp at October 06, 2025 04:04 PM (g6TN6)

139 I thought Illinois was a gun free mecca with no gun violence due to their wonderful gun laws?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 06, 2025 04:02 PM (tT6L1)

You've got that wrong... Private law abiding Citizens can't have guns... Only criminals

Posted by: It's me donna at October 06, 2025 04:04 PM (VE6XX)

140 I thought Illinois was a gun free mecca with no gun violence due to their wonderful gun laws?

Governor Sir Cumfrence keeps telling us that all of the gun violence is due to their proximity to Indiana.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 04:04 PM (KhyP1)

141 I'm am so glad my wife and I are out of the big city.

I feel for people because the current civil war appears to be spreading.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 06, 2025 04:04 PM (tT6L1)

142 Why doesn't the admin file a counter-TRO against the judges on the basis that everything they ruled on is bullshit?

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 06, 2025 04:04 PM (qwx/I)

143 124 TROs are unappealable. They're temporary, extend to no more than 14 days, and there is no legal mechanism for appeal.
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Pardon my ignorance, but is there not even an "emergency" appeal where one could argue the TRO will cause irreparable harm?
Posted by: Crusader at October 06, 2025 04:02 PM (TN0g+)

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A TRO keeps things as they are, the presumption being that retaining action as it was before the government action that led to the order is the prevention of irreparable harm.

There was tea leaf reading earlier this year that SCOTUS was going to nuke TROs completely because they were being abused, but directives to lower courts did actually slow the district courts from issuing them. This is the largest block of TROs we've had in months.

Plus, it's 14 days max. It's the definition of temporary.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 04:04 PM (GBKbO)

144 114 All I can say is - keep arresting and give them LOOOONG jail sentences. 5 years minimum. Each and every person who interferes.

Have you noticed that the judges have zero inclination to hand out sentences to Antifa?
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 03:59 PM (KhyP1)

They are slavish to their financial backers.

Posted by: tcn, Pickle Queen of AK at October 06, 2025 04:05 PM (urtE/)

145 Senior Prosecutor in the Eastern District of Virginia Refuses to Charge Corrupt NY Attorney General Letitia James

Posted by: SMOD at October 06, 2025 04:05 PM (RHGPo)

146 I just saw a four star "General" in the Chicago PD on TV saying there was no stand down order given.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 06, 2025 04:05 PM (63Dwl)

147
They really, REALLY want another Kent State, and they are willing to sacrifice their foot soldiers lives to make that happen.

Ghouls.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at October 06, 2025 03:52 PM (i24o9)

Trace the serial numbers off of the Glocks taken off Antifa's bodies. Betcha most come back to Chicago PD impound.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 06, 2025 04:05 PM (y9nCu)

148 The left want people killed, any people. So 'some' people are going to be killed, and this will go back and forth until a bunch of people are killed. At some point before the election some of our (America's) vowed enemies will get actively involved in armed combat here on our soil. The next two weeks are critical.

Posted by: Eromero at October 06, 2025 04:05 PM (LHPAg)

149 TROs are unappealable. They're temporary, extend to no more than 14 days, and there is no legal mechanism for appeal.

It's the Preliminary Injunctions that are appealable.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Not totally true. TROs have to follow Scotus and federal rules of procedure and technically Trump is only bound by the decision for that particular judge as in Oregon Natl Guard. She has no authority over other states' national guards nor federalizing them to go to Portland. By bringing them outside of the 9th Circuit, that makes even if the 9th supports the issuance of the TRO invalid as to deploying troops from other states outside the circuit. They don't have jurisdiction over those.

This is probably going to be slapped down by Scotus with prejudice by a summary reversal which kills any subsequent action by that judge as there are no longer any dispute to resolve. Further attempts to revive any lawsuit then run into collateral estoppel issues.

Scotus did that during the Civil Rights Era to good effect. Time to return to it rather than reverse and remand. Simply shut them down in the first place with no opinion.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 04:05 PM (WDjG6)

150 ... everything's starting to look like something out of Mogadishu.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at October 06, 2025 03:59 PM (aJQjq)

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At least BroFo Omar feels more at home ...

Posted by: ShainS -- The Sombrero Memes Will Continue Until Morality Improves! at October 06, 2025 04:05 PM (1rIjH)

151 I'm sure there are plenty of NG boys downstate (i.e., not from the Chicagoland area) who would love to deploy to Broadview to crack skulls.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 06, 2025 04:06 PM (qwx/I)

152 https://tinyurl.com/3usx8em6
Posted by: redridinghood

Whoa! Gonna be hard to argue with that statement when the bodies hit the floor!

Posted by: MkY at October 06, 2025 04:06 PM (+Pp+Q)

153 “Federal agents, ICE, HSI, are officers. They are agents of law enforcement.”

“When you plow into a vehicle that contains law enforcement agents, you're using deadly force. And they can use deadly force in response to stop you.”

“If you box them in with vehicles, it is reasonable for them to believe that they are being ambushed and that this could end in a deadly situation. And it's reasonable for them to use force based on those conditions.”

https://tinyurl.com/3usx8em6
Posted by: redridinghood at October 06, 2025 04:04 PM (NpAcC)
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Somebody whispered in his ear if he doesn't get things straightened out, he's going to be arrested by the feds.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 06, 2025 04:06 PM (tT6L1)

154 Betcha most come back to Chicago PD impound.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 06, 2025 04:05 PM (y9nCu)

I sincerely hope this is not the case.

Posted by: gKWVE at October 06, 2025 04:06 PM (gKWVE)

155 The TRO in Oregan is blatantly illegal. The Supreme court recently said such orders, regarding Presidential control and deployment of the military, were illegal. They have also chastised lower court judges making such orders.

Roberts is spineless, but the supreme court needs to start calling out judges who directly disobey and ignore their rulings and request removal from the court for these judges.

Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at October 06, 2025 04:06 PM (gDhA9)

156 It's against the law to impede an officer in the exercise of his duty. Why can't ICE arrest the idiot mayor of Chicago and the spherical governor for the same reason.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 03:51 PM

That's exactly what they want to happen. There isn't a single judge in the state of illinois who wouldn't go out of their way to stop any criminal proceedings from happening to either the mayor or governor. And Trump can't drag them to another state to charge them.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 06, 2025 04:06 PM (0N4FZ)

157 Plus, it's 14 days max. It's the definition of temporary.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 04:04 PM (GBKbO)

Use the 14 days to block the place off and begin a siege. Cut off all ingress and egress. Catapult corpses and plague rats in there.

Posted by: Get medieval at October 06, 2025 04:07 PM (TbWk/)

158 149 This is probably going to be slapped down by Scotus with prejudice by a summary reversal which kills any subsequent action by that judge as there are no longer any dispute to resolve. Further attempts to revive any lawsuit then run into collateral estoppel issues.

Scotus did that during the Civil Rights Era to good effect. Time to return to it rather than reverse and remand. Simply shut them down in the first place with no opinion.
Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 04:05 PM (WDjG6)

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Oh, she can still throw out illegal orders, which this probably is, especially the one bringing in the other states' NGs.

That's another problem, but it's more a base lawless judiciary issue and not really about TROs specifically.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 04:07 PM (GBKbO)

159
It has become increasingly clear that the "just give the mice a cookie" argument was foreseen by the Democrats in the South (and Boston) who were balking at the coming demand for glasses of milk.
Posted by: gKWVE

I say move their cheese!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 06, 2025 04:07 PM (63Dwl)

160 Ice needs Humvees and Striker vehicles with Ma Deuce top cover

Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2025 04:07 PM (7YtcZ)

161 A TRO keeps things as they are, the presumption being that retaining action as it was before the government action that led to the order is the prevention of irreparable harm.

There was tea leaf reading earlier this year that SCOTUS was going to nuke TROs completely because they were being abused, but directives to lower courts did actually slow the district courts from issuing them. This is the largest block of TROs we've had in months.

Plus, it's 14 days max. It's the definition of temporary.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 04:04 PM (GBKbO)

Where in the Constitution does this authority for unelected district judges to “temporarily” assume the powers of the Presidency come from?

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at October 06, 2025 04:07 PM (MgacP)

162 It's against the law to impede an officer in the exercise of his duty. Why can't ICE arrest the idiot mayor of Chicago and the spherical governor for the same reason.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 03:51 PM

That's exactly what they want to happen. There isn't a single judge in the state of illinois who wouldn't go out of their way to stop any criminal proceedings from happening to either the mayor or governor. And Trump can't drag them to another state to charge them.

Isn't that why we have Federal courts?

Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 04:08 PM (Riz8t)

163 GuardianUK:

Blue states should come together to declare an emergency. Here’s how

States opposed to Trump can create a compact – a new prototype for American government – even if it’s perceived as political theater

... of course, it's a neo-confederacy, with British help

I swear I've seen this movie before

Posted by: SMOD at October 06, 2025 04:08 PM (RHGPo)

164 Chicago PD Superintendent delivers a brutal warning to Antifa: Threaten law enforcement, and they will not hesitate to use deadly force.

Except that the CPD did not only hesitate, they ran away like cowards and pussies.

Tough talk only works when its credible. (or used against the GOPe)

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 04:08 PM (nCgQz)

165

That's right, PIs can go up on appeal under FRAP 8(C). The TRO has to be longer than 14 days to appeal. Some TROs can be

Posted by: imp at October 06, 2025 04:08 PM (g6TN6)

166 I just saw a four star "General" in the Chicago PD on TV saying there was no stand down order given.

"Who ya gonna believe, me or your lyin' ears?"

Posted by: Oddbob at October 06, 2025 04:08 PM (3nLb4)

167 Sparkling wigglers.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at October 06, 2025 04:08 PM (ItfOu)

168 it is not that big of a thing, really, it was unanticipated, now its anticipated, not going to happen again, chicago shot its bolt

Posted by: n at October 06, 2025 04:08 PM (7neCS)

169 I can't see how Pritzker of Kotek come out of this with a win.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 06, 2025 04:08 PM (viF8m)

170 161 Where in the Constitution does this authority for unelected district judges to “temporarily” assume the powers of the Presidency come from?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at October 06, 2025 04:07 PM (MgacP)

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Oh, you won't get an argument from me.

SCOTUS should really be limited to interstate issues. Congress is the proper vessel for addressing a lawless executive.

However, Judicial procedures date back a couple hundred years and are just accepted.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 04:08 PM (GBKbO)

171 So out of character...

@Jaaavis
Del. Carrie Coyner says Democratic attorney general nominee Jay Jones told her in a 2020 phone call that a few police officers dying would stop them from killing other people

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 06, 2025 04:09 PM (mlg/3)

172 So we have a situation wher now its unsafe for ice to do its job so they have to get out of chicago

or

Ice has to gun up, start rolling with armor and air?

Posted by: n at October 06, 2025 04:04 PM (7neCS)

Overwatch is your friend.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at October 06, 2025 04:09 PM (snZF9)

173 >> This is probably going to be slapped down by Scotus with prejudice by a summary reversal which kills any subsequent action by that judge as there are no longer any dispute to resolve.

John Roberts will come.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at October 06, 2025 04:09 PM (MgacP)

174 I'm now at the age when people I went to college and drank with are now Illinois judges. Doesn't give me a great feeling, but at least I have compromat on them if I'm ever on the docket.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 06, 2025 04:09 PM (qwx/I)

175 Betcha most come back to Chicago PD impound.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 06, 2025 04:05 PM (y9nCu)

Wouldn't be surprised. A lot of "buyback" guns end up right back on the street in the hands of criminals. And it's not unheard of - at all - for cops to sell guns out of the evidence room for a few extra bucks.

Posted by: Should be a bigger scandal than it is at October 06, 2025 04:09 PM (TbWk/)

176 I believe the Chicago Bears have announced they are moving out of Chicago. Kind of following 49ers and others that have abandoned city centers. No one wants to get killed just to see a football game.

Posted by: pudinhead at October 06, 2025 04:09 PM (AdHga)

177 Isn't that why we have Federal courts?

Have you seen them? The Federal Courts are completely hostile to the laws and Constitution of this nation.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 04:09 PM (nCgQz)

178 I just saw a four star "General" in the Chicago PD on TV saying there was no stand down order given.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 06, 2025 04:05 PM (63Dwl)

probably lies. Cops told the YT press that they were told to stand down after confiscating weapons from Proud Boys and other protestors and NOT from Antifa. Mayor denied it put certainly was lying.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 04:09 PM (8avO+)

179 173 >> This is probably going to be slapped down by Scotus with prejudice by a summary reversal which kills any subsequent action by that judge as there are no longer any dispute to resolve.

John Roberts will come.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at October 06, 2025 04:09 PM (MgacP)

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Trump is 25-2 at SCOTUS since January.

And the 2 are barely considered losses.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 04:09 PM (GBKbO)

180 A lot of FAing happening ... MOAR FOing, Pleeze!

Posted by: ShainS -- The Sombrero Memes Will Continue Until Morality Improves! at October 06, 2025 04:09 PM (1rIjH)

181 Somebody whispered in his ear if he doesn't get things straightened out, he's going to be arrested by the feds.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 06, 2025 04:06 PM (tT6L1)
******
Yeah, CYA.

Posted by: redridinghood at October 06, 2025 04:10 PM (NpAcC)

182 besides when it gets fun is when chicago pd is getting it good from antifa, so they request assistance from the feds.

Posted by: n at October 06, 2025 04:10 PM (7neCS)

183 That's exactly what they want to happen. There isn't a single judge in the state of illinois who wouldn't go out of their way to stop any criminal proceedings from happening to either the mayor or governor. And Trump can't drag them to another state to charge them.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 06, 2025 04:06 PM (0N4FZ)

- Declare an insurrection against Federal authority
- Suspend habeas corpus

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at October 06, 2025 04:10 PM (MgacP)

184 142 Why doesn't the admin file a counter-TRO against the judges on the basis that everything they ruled on is bullshit?
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie
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"A federal judge on Tuesday threw out the Justice Department’s lawsuit against all 15 federal district judges in Maryland over an order slowing down speedy deportation efforts, calling the administration’s attacks on the judiciary “unprecedented and unfortunate.”

U.S. District Judge Thomas Cullen, an appointee of President Trump who sits on a federal court in Virginia, dismissed the lawsuit challenging a May standing order that automatically blocks the deportation of migrants in Maryland who file legal challenges over their detention for two business days."

Once again bullshit "trump appointed" crap as any judge appointed by Trump in VA has been under the blue slip policy which allows Dem senators in that state to prevent the Senate from considering anyone they do not approve of. VA and OR have had two Dem Senators each during Trump I terms which means they tacitly approved them getting a Senate vote. So in many blue states, you have GOPe judges or even soft Dems depending on whether GOP or Dems controlled the Senate.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 04:11 PM (WDjG6)

185 Overwatch is your friend.
Posted by: Ber

Posted by: n at October 06, 2025 04:11 PM (7neCS)

186 It would be cool for the Brits to encourage a neo-confederacy, what with thousand of Airmen (mostly from Red states), strike aircraft, and American nukes on their soil.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 06, 2025 04:11 PM (qwx/I)

187 I just saw a four star "General" in the Chicago PD on TV saying there was no stand down order given.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
......

Was he really fat?

Posted by: wth at October 06, 2025 04:11 PM (UjdFS)

188 Overlapping fields of fire.

Posted by: ballistic at October 06, 2025 04:12 PM (3BwY8)

189 A TRO keeps things as they are, the presumption being that retaining action as it was before the government action that led to the order is the prevention of irreparable harm.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 04:04 PM (GBKbO)
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Yes, because nobody will become assaulted if a judge says so.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 04:12 PM (krQz2)

190 Oh, she can still throw out illegal orders, which this probably is, especially the one bringing in the other states' NGs.

That's another problem, but it's more a base lawless judiciary issue and not really about TROs specifically.

And in the meantime, Antifa and the MSM (BIRM) get to bang their "Trump is defying the courts!!" tin drum.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 06, 2025 04:12 PM (3nLb4)

191 Chicago PD Superintendent delivers a brutal warning to Antifa: Threaten law enforcement, and they will not hesitate to use deadly force.

Except that the CPD did not only hesitate, they ran away like cowards and pussies.

Tough talk only works when its credible. (or used against the GOPe)
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 04:08 PM (nCgQz)

Note he did not say the same for ICE, or Border Patrol, or National Guard, etc.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 04:12 PM (8avO+)

192 161 Where in the Constitution does this authority for unelected district judges to “temporarily” assume the powers of the Presidency come from?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at October 06, 2025 04:07 PM

Soviet Bolshevik Law

Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2025 04:12 PM (7YtcZ)

193 "Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson CONFIRMS officers were told to stand down after a terror attack on federal immigration agents."

Not really. I listened to what he actually said. He did not make any such "confirmation." His answer was Legalese 101 designed to appeal to all sides.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at October 06, 2025 04:12 PM (iFTx/)

194
Federal Prosecutors refusing to bring charges against Leticia James for Mortgage fraud

Posted by: Frank Barone at October 06, 2025 04:12 PM (IifOV)

195 Blue states should come together to declare an emergency. Here’s how

Since blue States seem to want all the "migrants" to stay I saw we ship all we catch to those States?Cities then fence them off . no one out...Oh... Cut off their Federal funding too...

Posted by: It's me donna at October 06, 2025 04:12 PM (VE6XX)

196 Have you seen them? The Federal Courts are completely hostile to the laws and Constitution of this nation.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 04:09 PM (nCgQz)
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They are committed to The Cause.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 04:13 PM (krQz2)

197 189 Yes, because nobody will become assaulted if a judge says so.
Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 04:12 PM (krQz2)

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Idea:

Judges have limited immunity for actions that happen because of their orders, not total immunity.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 04:13 PM (GBKbO)

198 I hope we eventually get a Pritzker perp walk.

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at October 06, 2025 04:13 PM (znfsz)

199 Well, ICE needs to start shooting back. Kill a few and the rest will fold like a wet taco.
Posted by: Less Talk More Action

The dead-red left wants martyrs.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 06, 2025 04:13 PM (mlg/3)

200 Britanistan giving advice to blue states, yeah, seems cromulent.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 06, 2025 04:13 PM (rvwwT)

201 Blackhawks overhead , miniguns and rocket pods

Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2025 04:13 PM (7YtcZ)

202 Note he did not say the same for ICE, or Border Patrol, or National Guard, etc.

Good point. Though in the statement about Law Enforcement he inadvertently admitted that CPD has nothing to do with actual law enforcement. Its basically a jobs program with a good pension if you stay out of trouble.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 04:14 PM (nCgQz)

203 El Gordo's brother is a tranny.
Posted by: wth at October 06, 2025 03:47 PM

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Cousin

Posted by: Bigsmith at October 06, 2025 04:14 PM (1Au9i)

204 198 I hope we eventually get a Pritzker perp walk.
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at October 06, 2025 04:13 PM (znfsz)

Perp waddle

Posted by: It's me donna at October 06, 2025 04:14 PM (VE6XX)

205 Where in the Constitution does this authority for unelected district judges to “temporarily” assume the powers of the Presidency come from?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director
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None, Judge cited 10th Amendment which is bullshit as it is a reserved powers doctrine as in states have no power over federal enumerated powers like Congress and Commander in Chief do.

The Tenth Amendment regarding Nat Guard callups has already been adjudicated in terms of state governors (during the 80's) are not able to block deployment of National Guard abroad or to other places.

Oregon's governor has no standing on the issue thusly.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 04:14 PM (WDjG6)

206 "Bad Bhunnydi" is indeed a advertised.
TOTALLY POS lo life loser poseur.
As Always, There is Also a Negative side.

Posted by: raymota at October 06, 2025 04:14 PM (3+riX)

207 Nothing a truck mounted, mini gun can't fix.

Posted by: Elrond Hubbard at October 06, 2025 04:15 PM (L+MB1)

208 I assume the woman who shot at ICE and escaped to hospital for treatment has been arrested but haven't seen that report.

Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2025 04:15 PM (7YtcZ)

209 It would be cool for the Brits to encourage a neo-confederacy, what with thousand of Airmen (mostly from Red states), strike aircraft, and American nukes on their soil.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 06, 2025 04:11 PM (qwx/I)

Their was an air unit in Vietnam that declared itself the CSA air force and started incorporating other pilots in the joke aside from a couple from Boston and North to be the "enemy" in the unit. It eventually was told to knock it off.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 04:15 PM (8avO+)

210 Oregon's governor has no standing on the issue thusly.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 04:14 PM (WDjG6)
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But a radical judge is not going to let that stop them.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 04:15 PM (krQz2)

211 Well, ICE needs to start shooting back. Kill a few and the rest will fold like a wet taco.

Forget shooting, the surveillance state is good enough that more can be accomplished with hoods, vans and darkness.

Extraordinary Rendition avoids messy scenes that get national attention.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 04:16 PM (nCgQz)

212 These insurrectionists, these lawless animals (I'm talking about both Democrat politicians and their army of violent foot soldiers, are, IMHO, doing all they can to create a situation where ICE agents have to kill someone to protect themselves. They want this. They want the wall-to-wall MFM coverage of Trump's "fascist" government gunning people down.

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 06, 2025 04:16 PM (qBdHI)

213 Idea:

Judges have limited immunity for actions that happen because of their orders, not total immunity.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Judicial immunity is an asserted one by the judiciary itself not a true immunity granted by the people nor the Constitution itself. Same with prosecutorial immunity and qualified immunity.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 04:16 PM (WDjG6)

214 I hope we eventually get a Pritzker perp walk.
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at October 06, 2025 04:13 PM (znfsz)

Perp waddle
Posted by: It's me donna at October 06, 2025 04:14 PM (VE6XX)
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Perp roll.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 04:16 PM (krQz2)

215 States opposed to Trump can create a compact – a new prototype for American government – even if it’s perceived as political theater

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Is that how voting for president works. Interesting.

Note no one even talks about the "popular vote" anymore. Remember when that was the end all be all?

Posted by: ... at October 06, 2025 04:16 PM (o1u+L)

216 Britanistan giving advice to blue states, yeah, seems cromulent.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 06, 2025 04:13 PM (rvwwT)

Brits have to build an army before they can deploy it.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 04:17 PM (8avO+)

217 It would be cool for the Brits to encourage a neo-confederacy, what with thousand of Airmen (mostly from Red states), strike aircraft, and American nukes on their soil.

I guess they're still butthurt about Yorktown.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 04:17 PM (Riz8t)

218 You know, the Penguin is supposed to be running Gotham, not Illinois.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 06, 2025 04:17 PM (tT6L1)

219 CHICAGO POLICE ORDERED TO FLEE THE AREA AND RENDER NO ASSISTANCE TO FELLOW LEOs UNDER ATTACK
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And they obey.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 06, 2025 04:17 PM (A0sqA)

220 See also Oregon.

Where the federal judge says the federal government does not have the right to protect federal property if the state--and solely on the testimony of the state, completely disregarding any testimony from the federal government--says they shouldn't.
That the state of Oregon--and only the state of Oregon--is allowed to determine if and when the federal property should have additional protection.

It's an absolutely bonkers ruling--that topped itself by the addition that Trump can't send National Guard from ANY state to Oregon.

How TF can the State of Oregon have veto--have standing-- over the deployment of National Guard from other states?

This judge is basically saying, "I don't give a F about standing--I am going to rule against Trump."

The 6-3 ruling from the SCOTUS is going to have some hilarious insults.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 06, 2025 04:18 PM (9k34X)

221 Send in the Black Marias!

Posted by: pudinhead at October 06, 2025 04:18 PM (AdHga)

222 199 Well, ICE needs to start shooting back. Kill a few and the rest will fold like a wet taco.
Posted by: Less Talk More Action

The dead-red left wants martyrs.

At some point, we have to stop second guessing ourselves and letting them set the agenda, and just do what's needed.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 04:18 PM (Riz8t)

223 They gotta start lighting these motherfuckers up with machine guns.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at October 06, 2025 03:58 PM (snZF9)

It is nice to read comments and think 'that sounds like so and so' and then check the nic and be right.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at October 06, 2025 04:18 PM (zZu0s)

224 But a radical judge is not going to let that stop them.
Posted by: Axeman

And that radical judge's arguments are already being undermined by facts on the ground which will lead to reversal. No case law supports her bald assertions and the fact that she issued a TRO using ex parte actually weakens her legal position.

Just more stupid signalling by judges thinking they are immune from consequences. They aren't as far as work product goes.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 04:18 PM (WDjG6)

225 220 This judge is basically saying, "I don't give a F about standing--I am going to rule against Trump."

The 6-3 ruling from the SCOTUS is going to have some hilarious insults.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 06, 2025 04:18 PM (9k34X)

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Solid chance of this one being 7-2.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 04:18 PM (GBKbO)

226 If this were Fallujah this video might make some sense.
Posted by: Intercepted Reddit Transmissions

If this were Fallujah, there'd be tons of dead insurgents.

Be glad it's not.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 06, 2025 04:18 PM (JnEe8)

227 Have you noticed that the judges have zero inclination to hand out sentences to Antifa?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure

They don't want their children or grandchildren killed.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 06, 2025 04:18 PM (0U5gm)

228

A TRO can encompass any injunctive relief sought, not just the existing status quo. It is usually sought to preserve the status quo, but can do anything the judge decides is the best way to preserve the issues for trial. And FRCP 65 (b)(2) allows TROs past 14 days for "good cause"

The bigger issue is courts routinely waiving the bond requirement

Posted by: imp at October 06, 2025 04:18 PM (g6TN6)

229 Not like Pritzker can run very far. See below thread.

Posted by: gKWVE at October 06, 2025 04:18 PM (gKWVE)

230 I hope we eventually get a Pritzker perp walk.
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at October 06, 2025 04:13 PM (znfsz)

Perp waddle
Posted by: It's me donna at October 06, 2025 04:14 PM (VE6XX)
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Perp roll.

Perp ooze.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 04:18 PM (Riz8t)

231 I keep hearing we're "looking into" the funding sources behind this over insurrection. How hard can that be? We're waiting. And how many times do we need to remonstrated by judges acting in flagrant disregard of their limits of authority? I can't see how a moment of reckoning is not reached, when Trump either demonstrates a Lincoln-like resolve... or what? I don't know. Do we simply accept that the federal government cannot assert a lawful remedy to outright neo-confederate insurrection?

Posted by: Ordinary American at October 06, 2025 04:19 PM (h/ffs)

232 I hope we eventually get a Pritzker perp walk.

I would prefer "Has anyone seen Pritzker in the past few days"?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 04:19 PM (/TiS1)

233 219 CHICAGO POLICE ORDERED TO FLEE THE AREA AND RENDER NO ASSISTANCE TO FELLOW LEOs UNDER ATTACK
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And they obey.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 06, 2025 04:17 PM

They should be ashamed of themselves and they're not wanting to go against the grain because pension.
If I knew any of those cops I would shame them every time I saw them.

Posted by: CaliGirl at October 06, 2025 04:19 PM (vZUXb)

234 Dear ICE Officers:

Shoot them.

Your Citizenry

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 06, 2025 04:19 PM (omVj0)

235 163 GuardianUK:

Blue states should come together to declare an emergency. Here’s how

States opposed to Trump can create a compact – a new prototype for American government – even if it’s perceived as political theater

... of course, it's a neo-confederacy, with British help

I swear I've seen this movie before
Posted by: SMOD at October 06, 2025 04:08 PM (RHGPo)
___________________________

Oh, cool. Another CHOP camp proclaiming to be sovereign while all the occupants raped the females, smoked dope and convinced themselves they were accomplishing something. Seattle leads the way (according to the Guardian).

Of course, the bulldozers made quick work of the place. But, hey, it worked for about 3 weeks while local politicians fumbled around.

Posted by: Orson at October 06, 2025 04:20 PM (dIske)

236 Just more stupid signalling by judges thinking they are immune from consequences. They aren't as far as work product goes.
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Yes. But her federal paychecks will continue to be direct deposited. Her life will go on, regardless of her attempts to contravert the law.

Posted by: Crusader at October 06, 2025 04:20 PM (TN0g+)

237 "We must now start calling this what it is: Trump's Invasion," the governor said in a post on X..

Yes, it is an invasion. It's an invasion of a territory in open rebellion and insurrection.

HOPEFULLY we won't need a Sherman to put an end to the rebellion.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at October 06, 2025 04:20 PM (aPBRN)

238 Oddly Mayor Conehead is correct . The Chicago police did respond to the 911 call from ICE. They told ICE they were shit out of luck. That's a response

Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 06, 2025 04:20 PM (pwtJC)

239 I suspect the money trail for antifa is both internal and external.

The cartels, using funds from China, are probably working to distabilize things in the US.

Then we've our own billionaires who are helping fund this insurrection.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 06, 2025 04:20 PM (tT6L1)

240 Sanctuary States/ Counties/Cities are illegal...The law says anyone who comes into this country illegally must be deported... They are blatantly breaking that law... They are aiding and abetting criminals...

Posted by: It's me donna at October 06, 2025 04:20 PM (VE6XX)

241 Not like Pritzker can run very far. See below thread.

Posted by: gKWVE at October 06, 2025 04:18 PM (gKWVE)
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You probably here a scattering of snickers in Illinois when Prickster brings up the subject of "running for office".

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 04:20 PM (krQz2)

242 Well, ICE needs to start shooting back. Kill a few and the rest will fold like a wet taco.

Forget shooting, the surveillance state is good enough that more can be accomplished with hoods, vans and darkness.

Extraordinary Rendition avoids messy scenes that get national attention.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 04:16 PM (nCgQz)

South Korea had pretty intense riots back in the 80s and the two sides had a real science of breaking them down. Have your club and shield men pinch off a bit of crowd and shove or club them down, have others in groups wrestle them off to jail. If a cop got sucked into the mob, they'd get walloped on too.

Antifa doesn't have enough foot troops to do this for long in one city, and for sure not in many cities at the same time.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 04:21 PM (8avO+)

243

Let this be remembered by all of the Thin Blue Line advocates out there who seem to think that Johnny Law is going to decide with conservatives in any great numbers.

Posted by: imp at October 06, 2025 04:21 PM (g6TN6)

244 Certain laws will be pre-lifted.

Antifa cells can only go off their playbook, so they're predictable.

Posted by: t-bird at October 06, 2025 04:21 PM (rmAcl)

245 At some point, we have to stop second guessing ourselves and letting them set the agenda, and just do what's needed.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 04:18 PM (Riz8t)

Trump has been incredibly successful this term by forcing them to react to his moves instead of letting them have the initiative. This is part of their plan to derail that, I am guessing.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at October 06, 2025 04:21 PM (zZu0s)

246 If their behavior during COVID was not proof enough, this should convince every conservative that the police are NOT on our side, They will obey whoever pays their salaries and pensions.

Posted by: Butch at October 06, 2025 04:21 PM (Yeujz)

247 Jack Smith strikes again.

>>@FBIDirectorKash
·
>>2m
We recently uncovered proof that phone records of U.S. lawmakers were seized for political purposes.

>>That abuse of power ends now.

>>Under my leadership, the FBI will deliver truth and accountability, and never again be weaponized against the American people.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 06, 2025 04:21 PM (viF8m)

248
>>Under my leadership, the FBI will deliver truth and accountability, and never again be weaponized against the American people.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 06, 2025 04:21 PM (viF8m)

Until the next Democrat administration

Posted by: It's me donna at October 06, 2025 04:22 PM (VE6XX)

249 Sad to say, but it sounds to me like the leaders in these blue states are hoping that they can manufacture another Kent state.

Posted by: Reality is Sad at October 06, 2025 04:22 PM (t62Lg)

250 I suspect the money trail for antifa is both internal and external.

The cartels, using funds from China, are probably working to distabilize things in the US.

Then we've our own billionaires who are helping fund this insurrection.

Posted by: blake

Don't forget the communist dictator of Brasil.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 06, 2025 04:23 PM (0U5gm)

251 Antifa doesn't have enough foot troops to do this for long in one city, and for sure not in many cities at the same time.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 04:21 PM (8avO+)
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This is why I advocate rolling up the foot soldiers. The ones on the front lines are LARPing at revolution. They find out it's the real thing, the hard way, the rest will melt away.

The true hard liners organizing things will probably go back underground because they've no desire to be anywhere near the front lines.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 06, 2025 04:23 PM (tT6L1)

252 The Second City Cop blog has insider info on this. One of the officers requested that the person making the stand down order identify themselves over the radio, which has turned out to be very important.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 06, 2025 04:23 PM (3cXfB)

253 I keep hearing we're "looking into" the funding sources behind this over insurrection. How hard can that be?
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As a couple of examples how hard could it have been to determine who paid for the bricks that were dropped at Drug Addict Riots in Minneapolis, or the bricks that were delivered this year to LA? And whose credit card ordered the Waymo driverless car that was promptly torched?

Posted by: Crusader at October 06, 2025 04:23 PM (TN0g+)

254 Where is Atticus Finch when you need him?
Posted by: Archimedes

Being cancelled as a rape apologist hashtag believe all women

Posted by: FeatherBlade at October 06, 2025 04:23 PM (a+4eV)

255 I keep hearing we're "looking into" the funding sources behind this over insurrection. How hard can that be? We're waiting. And how many times do we need to remonstrated by judges acting in flagrant disregard of their limits of authority? I can't see how a moment of reckoning is not reached, when Trump either demonstrates a Lincoln-like resolve... or what? I don't know. Do we simply accept that the federal government cannot assert a lawful remedy to outright neo-confederate insurrection?
Posted by: Ordinary American at October 06, 2025 04:19 PM (h/ffs)

They aren't gonna tell the enemy before they have a case on them to break them up.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 04:23 PM (8avO+)

256 Let this be remembered by all of the Thin Blue Line advocates out there who seem to think that Johnny Law is going to decide with conservatives in any great numbers.
Posted by: imp at October 06, 2025 04:21 PM (g6TN6)

They might if they could see everything in perspective. I think everyone asks about several people in history 'why did they do that? Didn't they realize etc etc.'

Life comes at you fast and people react in ways they might not if they had time to think about it. Doesn't change anything, but it could be sad.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at October 06, 2025 04:23 PM (zZu0s)

257 219 CHICAGO POLICE ORDERED TO FLEE THE AREA AND RENDER NO ASSISTANCE TO FELLOW LEOs UNDER ATTACK
====

And they obey.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at October 06, 2025 04:17 PM (A0sqA)

So you're saying that authority addicts without an actual moral spine aren't magically transformed into heroes because they take an oath to uphold the laws and the constitution and get a badge? What manner of nonsense is this?

Posted by: Blue heroes in heroic blue at October 06, 2025 04:23 PM (TbWk/)

258 If their behavior during COVID was not proof enough, this should convince every conservative that the police are NOT on our side, They will obey whoever pays their salaries and pensions.

Posted by: Butch at October 06, 2025 04:21 PM (Yeujz)
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Enough city cops are just as much blue as the city.

Wasn't Chauvin a registered Dem, after all?

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 04:23 PM (krQz2)

259 249 Sad to say, but it sounds to me like the leaders in these blue states are hoping that they can manufacture another Kent state.
Posted by: Reality is Sad at October 06, 2025 04:22 PM (t62Lg)

Of course they are.

And then they can scream "SEE! HITLER!!! HITLERRRRRR!!! COME SAVE US, CHINA!"

Posted by: XTC at October 06, 2025 04:23 PM (UnA8+)

260 Trump has been incredibly successful this term by forcing them to react to his moves instead of letting them have the initiative. This is part of their plan to derail that, I am guessing.
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It is theater to change the narrative. Narrative - Chuck Schumer and gang can't finish their work thus Trump Evil. Now, Yankees running slaves are the Underground Rail Road saving slaves from their own countries by becoming Demon crat slaves. Its all about the Slaves!

Posted by: pudinhead at October 06, 2025 04:23 PM (AdHga)

261 251 This is why I advocate rolling up the foot soldiers. The ones on the front lines are LARPing at revolution. They find out it's the real thing, the hard way, the rest will melt away.

The true hard liners organizing things will probably go back underground because they've no desire to be anywhere near the front lines.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 06, 2025 04:23 PM (tT6L1)

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They are rolling them up:

https://x.com/ICEgov/status/
1974865365252321479

Quite literally.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 04:24 PM (GBKbO)

262 The dead-red left wants martyrs.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 06, 2025 04:13 PM (mlg/3)
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Yes, but none of them want to BE the martyr, and there lies their core problem.

I think the Dem strategy at this point is to force a showdown under the misguided belief that most Americans want to keep their cities crime-filled and lawless.

I don't see that happening.

I mean, if it is an invasion, what is Fat Boy going to do? Arm the militias out of the armories?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 06, 2025 04:24 PM (ZOv7s)

263 Just for everyone's edification:
Clause 2 Habeas Corpus

The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

The constitutionality of suspending habeas corpus remains debated, but the Suspension Clause in Article I, Section 9, explicitly permits its suspension only in cases of "rebellion or invasion" when "public safety" requires it, a power most legal experts agree belongs to Congress, not the President. While President Lincoln's suspension during the Civil War was controversial, it was later ratified by Congress, and subsequent suspensions have been met with legal challenges, with the Supreme Court asserting access to the writ is a fundamental right that cannot be easily suspended.

The "Suspension Clause" is located in Article I, Section 9, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution and states that "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it".

Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 04:24 PM (Riz8t)

264 Don't forget the communist dictator of Brasil.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 06, 2025 04:23 PM (0U5gm)
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I think it's already been said he's running narco terror groups partially funded by China.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 06, 2025 04:24 PM (tT6L1)

265 A TRO can encompass any injunctive relief sought,
Posted by: imp

No it can't actually. If it is contrary to existing law and precedent, higher courts can dissolve it using their role as supervisors of lower courts.

Furthermore, it has no binding whatsoever to National Guard in other states being deployed outside the 9th Circuit. As a matter of law, a district judge's court ruling formally is only applicable within the district it is issued. And the broader notion of collegiality among a circuit's district court judges is not necessarily binding on another court depending on the circumstances. It is certainly not binding on Texas, etc.

Long arm aka conflict of jurisdictions cases get messy but she has no literal jurisdiction over other states outside of the 9th Circuit nor their national guards. Probably not even over Trump in this case or DoW.

More stupid Resist bait bullshit .

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 04:24 PM (WDjG6)

266 Scotus could end all these silly judge decisions by just barring district judges nationwide from deciding any matters having to do with the federal govt. The federal judges of course will still be able to play their silly games.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 06, 2025 04:24 PM (rvwwT)

267 Sad to say, but it sounds to me like the leaders in these blue states are hoping that they can manufacture another Kent state.
Posted by: Reality is Sad

I'm sure they are, but the difference this time is that they don't have complete control over the dissemination of news information.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at October 06, 2025 04:24 PM (a+4eV)

268 Sad to say, but it sounds to me like the leaders in these blue states are hoping that they can manufacture another Kent state.

Posted by: Reality is Sad at October 06, 2025 04:22 PM (t62Lg)
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Where the 50-years-after-the-fact reality is that the NG was fired upon.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 04:25 PM (krQz2)

269 They don't want their children or grandchildren killed.

I think what you are saying is that the judges are afraid of the wrong people.

Had a problem with that in Afghanistan. An officer swearing out a warrant or engaged in a search operation would usually be called to be a witness in court to be questioned by the defense. In AF, the crims just killed the officer since dead officers can't testify.

I came up with a scheme where through digital signatures Chain of Custody could be maintained and the presenting officer was not necessarily the investigating officer. The crims didn't know who to kill.

This can be done with judges. The judge can hear the case and through technology adjudicate the case and through digital signatures order sentencing or whatever needs to be done and keep anonymity.

Obviously you can't do this for elected judges, but for lifetime appointments, absolutely so.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 04:25 PM (/TiS1)

270 Sad to say, but it sounds to me like the leaders in these blue states are hoping that they can manufacture another Kent state.

Posted by: Reality

I don't mind. Even back then, with a monopoly on media, most people knew that it was a terrorist act, not overreaction by the national guard.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 06, 2025 04:25 PM (0U5gm)

271 My kind of town
Chicago is my kind of town
- The Al Capone John Dillinger Duet

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Going For the Brass Ring! at October 06, 2025 04:26 PM (L/fGl)

272 The "Suspension Clause" is located in Article I, Section 9, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution and states that "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it".
Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 04:24 PM (Riz8t)

These guys are being grabbed for defined crimes and are being charged. Habeas Corpus is not applicable.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 04:26 PM (8avO+)

273 Sad to say, but it sounds to me like the leaders in these blue states are hoping that they can manufacture another Kent state.
Posted by: Reality is Sad at October 06, 2025 04:22 PM (t62Lg)
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They've clearly forgotten that Nixon won a landslide after Kent State.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 06, 2025 04:26 PM (ZOv7s)

274 I bet there is somebody whispering "don't start a Civil War" in Trump's ear. Nevermind its already going. Lefties getting violent to protect illegals is Trumps fault you see. Might as well do the right thing.

Posted by: Sports Illustrated PR team at October 06, 2025 04:26 PM (s9EN2)

275 I think at this point it's extremely obvious that there are many politicians looking to hand global hegemony exclusively to Red China. Even if it means giving up their land to the Chinese.

Posted by: XTC at October 06, 2025 04:27 PM (UnA8+)

276 Powerline always has great links every day, and today they have some amazing ones. Check it out

Posted by: gp at October 06, 2025 04:27 PM (qY2nQ)

277 I like the "executive order" (wtf is that, for a mayor?) that he says that Chicago is an "ICE free zone."

Sure buddy.

Try enforcing that.

You're gonna f'ing love the part where those who try to enforce it are arrested and moved to a military base in TX.

I mean, you actually think your guys are going to get the federal courts on that?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 06, 2025 04:27 PM (9k34X)

278
CHICAGO POLICE ORDERED TO FLEE THE AREA AND RENDER NO ASSISTANCE TO FELLOW LEOs UNDER ATTACK

That, right there is the rationale to declare martial law ("he's a king!") and move into Chitcago with federal troops.

Posted by: BifBewalski at October 06, 2025 04:27 PM (gY6qb)

279 Scotus could end all these silly judge decisions by just barring district judges nationwide from deciding any matters having to do with the federal govt. The federal judges of course will still be able to play their silly games.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 06, 2025 04:24 PM (rvwwT)
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Yeah, but if you haven't noticed by now, judges tend to just want to increase the scope of what judges in general have say over.

I suspect the SCOTUS probably, to some degree, enjoys being able to "allow" executive actions, and establishing a practice of reviewing the execution of powers.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 04:27 PM (krQz2)

280 273 Sad to say, but it sounds to me like the leaders in these blue states are hoping that they can manufacture another Kent state.
Posted by: Reality is Sad at October 06, 2025 04:22 PM (t62Lg)
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They've clearly forgotten that Nixon won a landslide after Kent State.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 06, 2025 04:26 PM (ZOv7s)

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Nixon won 49 states. He didn't do that because people liked his personality.

2020 convinced the left that revolutionary urban violence is an electoral winner, forgetting that they shut down ballot counting in six states in the middle of the night to ballot box stuff like Tammany Hall.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 04:27 PM (GBKbO)

281 250 I suspect the money trail for antifa is both internal and external.

The cartels, using funds from China, are probably working to distabilize things in the US.

Then we've our own billionaires who are helping fund this insurrection.

Posted by: blake
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To wit, the curious case where Trump I shut down the Houston Red Chinese consulate due to nefarious activities including those related to BLM support being directed out of it shortly before 2020 elections.

Likewise the massive SIM card fuckery found in NJ and NY just the other couple of days.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 04:27 PM (WDjG6)

282 Where the 50-years-after-the-fact reality is that the NG was fired upon.
Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 04:25 PM (krQz2)
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A fed fired his gun after his cover was blown and the Guardsmen that it was incoming. Covered up for decades.

Yay glowies!

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 06, 2025 04:28 PM (ZOv7s)

283 We should start an MRAP Safari Business for hunters that would like scalps from Chicago. Bet we would make some money.

Posted by: pudinhead at October 06, 2025 04:28 PM (AdHga)

284 CHICAGO POLICE ORDERED TO FLEE THE AREA AND RENDER NO ASSISTANCE TO FELLOW LEOs UNDER ATTACK

That, right there is the rationale to declare martial law ("he's a king!") and move into Chitcago with federal troops.
Posted by: BifBewalski at October 06, 2025 04:27 PM (gY6qb)
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Yeah, but we're at Phase: It's Not Happening, now.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 04:28 PM (krQz2)

285 The "Suspension Clause" is located in Article I, Section 9, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution and states that "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it".
Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 04:24 PM (Riz8t)\
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I note that this clause uses the word "privilege" and NOT the word "right." That's sort of key as it means it's something that's been granted by the government and is not something inherent to the individual that must be protected by the government.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 06, 2025 04:28 PM (IBQGV)

286 I don't mind. Even back then, with a monopoly on media, most people knew that it was a terrorist act, not overreaction by the national guard.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 06, 2025 04:25 PM (0U5gm)

Its a myth that the bulk of the country was appalled by Kent State. Some of those shot were just passing by, one I think was ROTC even, some were agitators. But it didn't hurt the Governor of Ohio or the Feds much in the area with anyone but hard left crazies.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 04:29 PM (8avO+)

287 they're such sheep. the left whines wages are low and there isn't enough housing but boy they'll go to bat for full open borders anyone can come here and we will riot and kill to keep the borders open because that's what they've been told to think

Posted by: brak at October 06, 2025 04:29 PM (jGJov)

288 Antifa doesn't have enough foot troops to do this for long in one city, and for sure not in many cities at the same time.

I don't think Antifa are the real worry. It's the millions of troops who are organized and funded- via Social Security?- that the D's brought in the last few years. Or decades. They're the ones that the military will take down, thanks to Antifa.

Posted by: t-bird at October 06, 2025 04:29 PM (rmAcl)

289 I think at this point it's extremely obvious that there are many politicians looking to hand global hegemony exclusively to Red China. Even if it means giving up their land to the Chinese.

Posted by: XTC

They each think they will be getting a dukedom.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 06, 2025 04:29 PM (0U5gm)

290 A fed fired his gun after his cover was blown and the Guardsmen that it was incoming. Covered up for decades.

Yay glowies!
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 06, 2025 04:28 PM (ZOv7s)
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We're going to need some more FBI guys.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 04:29 PM (krQz2)

291 Tried looking up woman who shot at ICE and was wounded is in hospital but not named or arrested

Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2025 04:29 PM (7YtcZ)

292 I bet there is somebody whispering "don't start a Civil War" in Trump's ear. Nevermind its already going. Lefties getting violent to protect illegals is Trumps fault you see. Might as well do the right thing.
Posted by: Sports Illustrated PR team at October 06, 2025 04:26 PM (s9EN2)
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President Trump is trying to head off a full blown civil war. Right now, it's relatively isolated. President Trump is trying to go the legal route, arrest, toss in jail, etc., in the hopes people regular people don't take the gloves off. There is also some reason to believe antifa won't like spending years in jail. Up until this year, antifa operated with impunity because they had local cover via judges. They no longer operate under local cover because the feds are coming after them.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 06, 2025 04:30 PM (tT6L1)

293 They each think they will be getting a dukedom.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 06, 2025 04:29 PM (0U5gm)
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Their going to need to transition to Han.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 04:30 PM (krQz2)

294

It's Chicago in Chicago again...

https://youtu.be/k4CBKApU_-w

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 06, 2025 04:30 PM (63Dwl)

295
IIRC in the typical "Black Block" operation, the real hardcore instigators stay at the back of the group and control things from there.

So, the thing to do is use "sniper tactics" with observers to identify who are the leaders and then focus on them. Arrest those individuals first.

I suspect that will be more effective than arrest the lunkheads and pawns.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 06, 2025 04:30 PM (iJfKG)

296 289 They each think they will be getting a dukedom.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 06, 2025 04:29 PM (0U5gm)

It's not just Blue States in the US.

It's also pretty much ALL of South American and Latin America at this point, too. (aside from Bukele).

Posted by: XTC at October 06, 2025 04:31 PM (UnA8+)

297 Tried looking up woman who shot at ICE and was wounded is in hospital but not named or arrested
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I read somewhere she is in Federal custody, and another guy involved in that is as well.

Posted by: Crusader at October 06, 2025 04:31 PM (TN0g+)

298 There are many among the enemy who definitely want to be martyrs and have become martyrs. That's the benefit of pursuing their current "neurodivergent coalition strategy," as I'm now calling it.

You'll never win that way by the numbers - but if your strategy going forward isn't centered on electioneering anymore, that isn't so important. If it's based on... other means to achieve victory, they have more than enough jobless, friendless, childless, pharma-mutants with nothing to lose but their grinding misery.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 06, 2025 04:32 PM (/WV3m)

299 Why is there a “National Police Union”?

Why is there a state called Illinois? Why is it not a Territory?

Posted by: Cow Demon at October 06, 2025 04:32 PM (c44Rp)

300 That's exactly what they want to happen. There isn't a single judge in the state of illinois who wouldn't go out of their way to stop any criminal proceedings from happening to either the mayor or governor. And Trump can't drag them to another state to charge them.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 06, 2025 04:06 PM (0N4FZ)

- Declare an insurrection against Federal authority
- Suspend habeas corpus

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at October 06, 2025 04:10 PM

Hell yeah! Go full abraham lincoln and send in the Army to restore order and arrest every single newspaper/TV reporter in the city and toss them in jail for the duration.

Works for me.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 06, 2025 04:32 PM (0N4FZ)

301 I suspect the SCOTUS probably, to some degree, enjoys being able to "allow" executive actions, and establishing a practice of reviewing the execution of powers.
Posted by: Axeman
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Depends. If they declare it a political question, then no. This is a pretty clear picture though where the district court judge has all the legal authority of a rabid moonbat loon. Law, precedent, and Constitution is clear, Commander in Chief role, including over the state militias is absolute and a district judge due to separation of power is not able to adjudicate such questions.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 04:32 PM (WDjG6)

302 Again, and I just can't get over this:

The Democrats have gone completely, absolutely, in every measure of insanity, mad in their jihad to fight for illegals.
Eyes blood-red with rage.

I mean, we passed, "imagine if the Democrats fought that hard for Americans?"
And we're in, "have they ever fought even 5% that hard for Americans?"

The absurd "kicked anthill" swarming they are doing over this means the illegals aren't just a front for vote fraud and billions in laundered government funds--I think this leads to the extinction of the Democrat Party.

That is, the funds and the vote fraud are just the surface of what they're really doing.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 06, 2025 04:32 PM (9k34X)

303 293 They each think they will be getting a dukedom.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 06, 2025 04:29 PM (0U5gm)
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Their going to need to transition to Han.

they'll need help with that. can't do it solo.

Posted by: anachronda at October 06, 2025 04:32 PM (oY6Yp)

304 298 There are many among the enemy who definitely want to be martyrs and have become martyrs. That's the benefit of pursuing their current "neurodivergent coalition strategy," as I'm now calling it.

You'll never win that way by the numbers - but if your strategy going forward isn't centered on electioneering anymore, that isn't so important. If it's based on... other means to achieve victory, they have more than enough jobless, friendless, childless, pharma-mutants with nothing to lose but their grinding misery.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 06, 2025 04:32 PM (/WV3m)

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It's a Kamikazee run to try and incite a revolution.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 04:32 PM (GBKbO)

305 And the "Maryland Man" is still here with yet another Judge staying his removal

Posted by: It's me donna at October 06, 2025 04:32 PM (VE6XX)

306 Yeah, but we're at Phase: It's Not Happening, now.
Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 04:28 PM (krQz2)
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Those of you who know what happened in Spain can already appreciate how lop-sided the correlation of forces has become. We're now to the point where local police forces can only (barely) be ordered to retreat, not actually take offensive action.

No governor has (yet) called for the National Guard to refuse orders because
1. It would be actionable treason
2. They would overwhelmingly ignore it.

Street theater is really all they have left, and they seem to be climbing the escalation ladder in the hope that something will occur to them later on.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 06, 2025 04:32 PM (ZOv7s)

307 4 Four words: "DISPERSE OR BE SHOT!"
Posted by: ShainS -- The Sombrero Memes Will Continue Until Morality Improves! at October 06, 2025 03:43 PM (1rIjH)

Three words: JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS

Posted by: Chicago Police at October 06, 2025 04:33 PM (c44Rp)

308
They aren't gonna tell the enemy before they have a case on them to break them up.

The truth is, the wealthy have far better lawyers, accountants and PR team (read: lobbyists/fixers bearing gifts) than any government.

If the wealthy want to continue to underwrite lawlessness, they can and will.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 04:33 PM (kHd4y)

309 right there is the rationale to declare martial law ("he's a king!")

Nah, just a Cromwell

Posted by: for the love of G-d, go at October 06, 2025 04:33 PM (gKWVE)

310 I would suggest some SEAL Team and DELTA force training exercises in the Portland and Chicago areas ... then "Exigent Circumstances" could lead to some Antifa thugs reaching room temp ...

Posted by: The Dark Lord at October 06, 2025 04:34 PM (DBAaD)

311 Antifa doesn't have enough foot troops to do this for long in one city, and for sure not in many cities at the same time.

I don't think Antifa are the real worry. It's the millions of troops who are organized and funded- via Social Security?- that the D's brought in the last few years. Or decades. They're the ones that the military will take down, thanks to Antifa.
Posted by: t-bird at October 06, 2025 04:29 PM (rmAcl)

Antifa are the trained stormtroopers. The gangs and illegals are just criminals at this point. Most of them will not stand up in a fight, what's in it for them? Better to move to where the Army isn't for now.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 04:34 PM (8avO+)

312 And the "Maryland Man" is still here with yet another Judge staying his removal

Maryland Man is the cat toy distraction. While the Left is focusing on Maryland Man, hundreds of thousands are being deported.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 04:35 PM (kHd4y)

313 Read the content above Blake, LOL.

"The woman, Marimar Martinez, as well as another driver, Anthony Ian Santos Ruiz, were both arrested and branded "domestic terrorists."

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 04:35 PM (WDjG6)

314 The "Suspension Clause" is located in Article I, Section 9, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution and states that "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it".
Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 04:24 PM (Riz8t)

These guys are being grabbed for defined crimes and are being charged. Habeas Corpus is not applicable.

So charge them with insurrection or rebellion. Besides, it's not clear to me why being charged with a defined crime means habeas corpus is not applicable. Perhaps the lawyers can weigh in.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 04:36 PM (Riz8t)

315 And the "Maryland Man" is still here with yet another Judge staying his removal
Posted by: It's me donna at October 06, 2025 04:32 PM (VE6XX)

This has to be a game for the DoJ at this point, they could have whisked him away a long time ago. They are revealing their agents to us all for what gain? Must be some huge dirt on the first judge and his daughters NGO there .

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 04:36 PM (8avO+)

316 Antifa doesn't have enough foot troops to do this for long in one city, and for sure not in many cities at the same time.

I don't think Antifa are the real worry. It's the millions of troops who are organized and funded- via Social Security?- that the D's brought in the last few years. Or decades. They're the ones that the military will take down, thanks to Antifa.
Posted by: t-bird at October 06, 2025 04:29 PM (rmAcl)
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I think that's a good observation. Right now would be a great time for antifa to really get active all over the country while things remain sporty in Portland, Chicago and LA. Yet, it's not happening. And I darn well know the people behind antifa are smart enough to figure it out. So, lack of resources may very well be a limiting factor.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 06, 2025 04:37 PM (tT6L1)

317 Antifa are the trained stormtroopers.
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The bulk of them aren't trained and would be worse than useless in "real" combat. They operate with swag and bravado because the cops and pols in the areas they work are bought and paid for. Until the Feds showed up, there was no real risk, so it was easy for them to strut like peacocks.

Posted by: Crusader at October 06, 2025 04:37 PM (TN0g+)

318

No it can't actually. If it is contrary to existing law and precedent, higher courts can dissolve it using their role as supervisors of lower courts.
Whig

Well, yeah, but that's not a priority limit on the relief ordered. The appeaalate courts can and should dissolve it, but there's no limit sui generis on the scope of a TRO

Posted by: imp at October 06, 2025 04:37 PM (g6TN6)

319 And let's be clear:
The language Johnson, Pritzker, Kotek et al., are using are coded but direct orders to their paramilitary combatants to kill, maim and attack ICE agents.

That they are not, "toning down the violent rhetoric" but are escalating it as justification for murder.

They have no fucking clue what "occupation" looks like.

But they'll learn via indirect reports from their jail cell when their street troops finally kill an ICE agent.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 06, 2025 04:37 PM (9k34X)

320 President Trump is trying to head off a full blown civil war. Right now, it's relatively isolated. President Trump is trying to go the legal route, arrest, toss in jail, etc., in the hopes people regular people don't take the gloves off. There is also some reason to believe antifa won't like spending years in jail. Up until this year, antifa operated with impunity because they had local cover via judges. They no longer operate under local cover because the feds are coming after them.

The difference is that the South had a strong martial tradition, and the people largely (not all by any means) supported the insurrection. Neither applies to Antifa, who are just a collection of losers.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 04:37 PM (Riz8t)

321 Antifa are the trained stormtroopers. The gangs and illegals are just criminals at this point. Most of them will not stand up in a fight, what's in it for them? Better to move to where the Army isn't for now.
Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 04:34 PM (8avO+)
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Yes, the gangs are independent and operate on their own agenda. Antifa is the only element under direct control.

Contrast that with 1936 Spain when every single entity split - the Army, Civil Guard, Assault Police. The tiny Air Force remained loyal and so did most of the sailors, but they first murdered their officers rendering their ships inactive.

Nothing like that is going to happen now. Cops are going to get the Blue Flu if ordered to resist feds.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 06, 2025 04:38 PM (ZOv7s)

322 They each think they will be getting a dukedom.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 06, 2025 04:29 PM (0U5gm)
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Their going to need to transition to Han.

they'll need help with that. can't do it solo.
Posted by: anachronda at October 06, 2025 04:32 PM

These are not the aristocrats you are looking for.

Posted by: Obi Juan Sonobi at October 06, 2025 04:38 PM (0sNs1)

323 None of this type of insurrection is any surprise. History is chalk full of examples of exactly what we are doing. The places that these things were put down didn't have the individual rights we do, so unfortunately we'll have to find other ways. But their way isn't going to change, its always power by violence and force from Leftists.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 06, 2025 04:38 PM (rvwwT)

324 Well, yeah, but that's not a priority limit on the relief ordered. The appeaalate courts can and should dissolve it, but there's no limit sui generis on the scope of a TRO
Posted by: imp
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What you are looking for is in precedents, not rules. The FRP are informed by precedents but do not as a rule include it. Sort of like jury instructions.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 04:38 PM (WDjG6)

325 316 I think that's a good observation. Right now would be a great time for antifa to really get active all over the country while things remain sporty in Portland, Chicago and LA. Yet, it's not happening. And I darn well know the people behind antifa are smart enough to figure it out. So, lack of resources may very well be a limiting factor.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 06, 2025 04:37 PM (tT6L1)

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Cell based terror structure where most cells are populated by people who don't actually want to do anything but bitch online.

Like the fat chicks with bird hands who scream for blood from their cars who won't go slicing any man 3 foot taller than her in tactical gear.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 04:38 PM (GBKbO)

326 The "Suspension Clause" is located in Article I, Section 9, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution and states that "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it".
Posted by: Archimedes

When you, as a city, county or state government, tell your policing entity to stand down in the face of insurrection, you ARE in open rebellion against the lawful United States Government.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 06, 2025 04:39 PM (JnEe8)

327 110 Where is Atticus Finch when you need him?

Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 03:59 PM

Still trying to find out what the hell a chiffarobe is.

Posted by: Frank Barone at October 06, 2025 04:39 PM (IifOV)

328 It is cool to have the feds classify antifa as a terrorist organization. But everyone else needs to just start referring to them simply as Democrats.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at October 06, 2025 04:39 PM (vYgDJ)

329 The bulk of them aren't trained and would be worse than useless in "real" combat.

The John Brown Clubs train them in sniping.
You don't need to be an ace at Close Order Swannin' About to knock off some strategic reporters, speakers, and Senators on our side.

Posted by: gKWVE at October 06, 2025 04:39 PM (gKWVE)

330 Four words: "DISPERSE OR BE SHOT!"
Posted by: ShainS -- The Sombrero Memes Will Continue Until Morality Improves! at October 06, 2025 03:43 PM

"Dead or alive, you're coming with me" works just as well.

Posted by: Robocop at October 06, 2025 04:39 PM (0N4FZ)

331 261 251 This is why I advocate rolling up the foot soldiers.
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They are rolling them up:

https://x.com/ICEgov/status/
1974865365252321479

Quite literally.

can't check from work, so i'm'a just assume big scoop trucks are being used like when the crowds get out of hand on soylent green day.

Posted by: anachronda at October 06, 2025 04:40 PM (oY6Yp)

332 The "Suspension Clause" is located in Article I, Section 9, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution and states that "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it".
Posted by: Archimedes

When you, as a city, county or state government, tell your policing entity to stand down in the face of insurrection, you ARE in open rebellion against the lawful United States Government.

My point.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 04:40 PM (Riz8t)

333 Cops are going to get the Blue Flu if ordered to resist feds.
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For the motorcycle cops it'll just be another day of sitting by the roadway waiting to take money from the citizenry. They do no real police work.

Posted by: Crusader at October 06, 2025 04:40 PM (TN0g+)

334 Crazy Ivan!

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at October 06, 2025 04:40 PM (0N4FZ)

335 Right now would be a great time for antifa to really get active all over the country while things remain sporty in Portland, Chicago and LA. Yet, it's not happening.

Didn't you hear/read reports from semi-honest law enforcement officials that many of the people arrested in these riots were from out of town?

They may already be spread out too thin.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 04:40 PM (BvPIe)

336 331 can't check from work, so i'm'a just assume big scoop trucks are being used like when the crowds get out of hand on soylent green day.
Posted by: anachronda at October 06, 2025 04:40 PM (oY6Yp)

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Antifa cuffed and placed on a flat dolly, being rolled away by ICE.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 04:40 PM (GBKbO)

337 So charge them with insurrection or rebellion. Besides, it's not clear to me why being charged with a defined crime means habeas corpus is not applicable. Perhaps the lawyers can weigh in.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 04:36 PM (Riz8t)

HC means you have to tell people you are holding them and why in a timely matter for civil cases to continue. It gets suspended when US security requires keeping it secret or security of trials makes it impossible.

Interreference with Federal Ops, riot, curfew violations, disturbing the peace, are all good crimes you can put on them in low intensity acts like these are. And the names are out there at once once the paperwork is done.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 04:40 PM (8avO+)

338 Still trying to find out what the hell a chiffarobe is.

Posted by: Frank Barone

Hah!

Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 04:40 PM (Riz8t)

339 The demonrats and their wanna-be stormtroopers just keep winding themselves up tighter and tighter. Something is going to break somewhere and these Andy Tifa types are going to start cooking off like popcorn. There's a Bad Moon rising folks.

Posted by: Blast Hardcheese at October 06, 2025 04:41 PM (V362x)

340 "Pritzker said the plan defies his wishes..."
I hope the Feds remember that when he comes begging for money.
Mayor is an asshat racist Clown as well.
Need someone to follow the money to see who is funding these "protesters"

Posted by: Lars at October 06, 2025 04:41 PM (7nHHc)

341 can't check from work, so i'm'a just assume big scoop trucks are being used like when the crowds get out of hand on soylent green day.
Posted by: anachronda at October 06, 2025 04:40 PM (oY6Yp)
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Guy wouldn't walk, cops didn't want to carry, the guy got tossed on a 4 wheel cart and hauled away. Too bad, really because the thought of his face becoming one with the pavement tickles me.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at October 06, 2025 04:41 PM (tT6L1)

342 I think that's a good observation. Right now would be a great time for antifa to really get active all over the country while things remain sporty in Portland, Chicago and LA. Yet, it's not happening. And I darn well know the people behind antifa are smart enough to figure it out. So, lack of resources may very well be a limiting factor.
Posted by: blake

Lack of acceptability is more like it. Pull this shit outside of deep blue. Give heavily armed rednecks a reason.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 06, 2025 04:41 PM (JnEe8)

343 Right now would be a great time for antifa to really get active all over the country while things remain sporty in Portland, Chicago and LA. Yet, it's not happening.

Didn't you hear/read reports from semi-honest law enforcement officials that many of the people arrested in these riots were from out of town?

They may already be spread out too thin.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 04:40 PM (BvPIe)

Rittenhouse's attackers were pretty much all from Portland, car pooled to Wisconsin.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 04:41 PM (8avO+)

344 Interreference with Federal Ops, riot, curfew violations, disturbing the peace, are all good crimes you can put on them in low intensity acts like these are. And the names are out there at once once the paperwork is done.

I suppose it comes down to who defines "low intensity".

Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 04:41 PM (Riz8t)

345 The difference is that the South had a strong martial tradition, and the people largely (not all by any means) supported the insurrection. Neither applies to Antifa, who are just a collection of losers.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 04:37 PM (Riz8t)
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The difference was that the vast bulk of latent military power resided in state militias, not federal forces. Those militias were loyal to their states, which made effective resistance against the central government feasible.

There is no such capablity right now. The various National Guard units are still under the UCMJ and are showing no signs of disloyalty. They probably hate their governors more than anyone.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at October 06, 2025 04:42 PM (ZOv7s)

346 "Dead or alive, you're coming with me" works just as well.
Posted by: Robocop at October 06, 2025 04:39 PM (0N4FZ)
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There's always the classic, "Fill your hands, you son of a bitch!"

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at October 06, 2025 04:42 PM (WvZaB)

347 335 Didn't you hear/read reports from semi-honest law enforcement officials that many of the people arrested in these riots were from out of town?

They may already be spread out too thin.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 04:40 PM (BvPIe)

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Antifa is not a naturally occurring phenomenon.

It is a bought and paid for situation that has been trying to build something like an army for at least 5 years in America and can't exert power beyond the lone wolves like Taylor Robinson or in a mass within their deep blue enclaves like Portland.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 04:42 PM (GBKbO)

348 Neither applies to Antifa, who are just a collection of losers.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 06, 2025 04:37 PM (Riz8t)

Antifabis a problem, to be sure - but they're the tip of the iceberg. For every one of them, there are hundred more jobless, friendless, childless pharma-mutants just waiting for the right impulse to set them off.

Yes, they are losers. But they're bloodthirsty losers and there are many millions of them stewing in the rancid brine they've been pickled in for decades.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 06, 2025 04:42 PM (/WV3m)

349 Wait, so NOW it's an invasion?

Wtf?

Posted by: melodicmetal1 at October 06, 2025 04:42 PM (XLfSN)

350 The demonrats and their wanna-be stormtroopers just keep winding themselves up tighter and tighter. Something is going to break somewhere and these Andy Tifa types are going to start cooking off like popcorn. There's a Bad Moon rising folks.
Posted by: Blast Hardcheese at October 06, 2025 04:41 PM (V362x)

As long as its in the other side's real estate. Send them a bill for damages to the ICE building.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 04:43 PM (8avO+)

351 The John Brown Clubs train them in sniping.

A day at the range doesn't give people a sense of the scene, about reading wind and mirage, creating a dope chart. And it sure as hell doesn't train one in ingress/egress.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 04:43 PM (BvPIe)

352 349 Wait, so NOW it's an invasion?

Wtf?
Posted by: melodicmetal1 at October 06, 2025 04:42 PM (XLfSN)

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Americans going into Chicago: An invasion.

Random third worlders going into Chicago en masse and taking benefits from natives: Not an invasion.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 04:43 PM (GBKbO)

353 The ICE thing is not an Everything In the State thing.

Immigration control is an actual function of government. You cannot obstruct government function just because you want to. If you get hit back extra hard because you think you have some sort of right to obstruct government functions you don't like, that's FA/FO right there.

It doesn't matter how gritty it gets. ICE is a government function and we've even given Immigration enforcement so much power that people assisting in the obstruction of ICE doing their jobs are indictable as accessories.

And this isn't like when Taney told Illinois they can't free any slaves, per Illinois preference. Prickster and Johnson are meddling in federal powers in a way that they don't need to be in order to run their state and city.

Posted by: Axeman at October 06, 2025 04:43 PM (krQz2)

354 Why are all these weirdos from Portland?

Inbreeding? Drugs? Radiation?

Posted by: Jap Movie Producer at October 06, 2025 04:44 PM (Hsed0)

355 NOOD

Posted by: It's me donna at October 06, 2025 04:44 PM (VE6XX)

356 Wait, so NOW it's an invasion?

Wtf?
Posted by: melodicmetal1 at October 06, 2025 04:42 PM (XLfSN)
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400 NG = invasion

Millions of illegals =/= invasion

I'm shocked that you don't know this.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at October 06, 2025 04:44 PM (WvZaB)

357 Antifabis a problem, to be sure - but they're the tip of the iceberg. For every one of them, there are hundred more jobless, friendless, childless pharma-mutants just waiting for the right impulse to set them off.

Yes, they are losers. But they're bloodthirsty losers and there are many millions of them stewing in the rancid brine they've been pickled in for decades.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 06, 2025 04:42 PM (/WV3m)

Then they are onesie-twosies and no big deal. And of course even these are being operated by the Deep State for the most part.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 04:44 PM (8avO+)

358 So charge them with insurrection or rebellion. Besides, it's not clear to me why being charged with a defined crime means habeas corpus is not applicable. Perhaps the lawyers can weigh in.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Habeas is extraordinary relief available when a person is not brought before a judge in regular proceedings. After conviction, it can be used dependent on a statute from the 90's that tightly restricted habeas in federal courts due to abuse for post conviction relief apart from the regular appeals procedure.

For Dems and their pet judges, they are trying to use habeas process to circumvent the various immigration statutes giving that jurisdiction over immigration courts, not federal district courts.

So the left's legal eagles are making up specious habeas arguments in federal district court regarding immigration cases (like for Maryland Man) that will inevitably be overturned on appeal.

The Maryland chief judge, for example, issued an unconstitutional and illegal order that tries to order district court judges to scrutinize all deportations in that state.

Posted by: whig at October 06, 2025 04:45 PM (WDjG6)

359 NOOD

closer to the edge?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 06, 2025 04:45 PM (ULPxl)

360 Erick Erickson
@EWErickson
🚨🚨🚨Jay Jones also wanted police officers killed, not just a political assassination and murder of a family.

Posted by: Crusader at October 06, 2025 04:46 PM (TN0g+)

361 Lack of acceptability is more like it. Pull this shit outside of deep blue. Give heavily armed rednecks a reason.

Since it appears to be socially acceptable for law enforcement to "look the other way" when actionable crime happens right before them.

It isn't against the law to decline to investigate.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at October 06, 2025 04:46 PM (BvPIe)

362 When you, as a city, county or state government, tell your policing entity to stand down in the face of insurrection, you ARE in open rebellion against the lawful United States Government.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 06, 2025 04:39 PM (JnEe

What does that say about the police?

Things like this are the biggest ballache I have with them. It would be nice if they’d say “Fuck you, we are enforcing the law as the people expect.” But no.

Posted by: Cow Demon at October 06, 2025 04:47 PM (c44Rp)

363 Why are all these weirdos from Portland?

Inbreeding? Drugs? Radiation?
Posted by: Jap Movie Producer at October 06, 2025 04:44 PM (Hsed0)

Most moved there when the rioting in Berkeley was closed down. Similar for Seattle. Once the paid for riot system was set up and running recruits went there for the action and money.

The Berkeley rioters and such were deeply imbedded in the CA public schools all having make work jobs. Haven't heard much from them since the early days.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 06, 2025 04:47 PM (8avO+)

364 The difference is that the South had a strong martial tradition, and the people largely (not all by any means) supported the insurrection.
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People forget that originally your state was more important than DC, so of course the people volunteered to fight when their state was being invaded.

That isn't the case any more, per the "no blue states, just blue counties" meme. The Left doesn't have anything but the cities, and no way to project power from them in any sustained way. And no way to feed them when things finally go pear shaped.

Posted by: Methos at October 06, 2025 04:47 PM (vSvIl)

365 Sounds like state of emergency time, no?

Posted by: melodicmetal1 at October 06, 2025 04:47 PM (XLfSN)

366 can't check from work, so i'm'a just assume big scoop trucks are being used like when the crowds get out of hand on soylent green day.
Posted by: anachronda at October 06, 2025 04:40 PM (oY6Yp)

They rolled a chicken-stripped fatty onto a hand cart to haul into the Portland ICE building when fatty antifa wouldn't walk, and they thought dragging it would leave blood smears as its face was abraided away by the friction of the concrete as agents hauled it away by the ankles.

See, they do care for the protestors

Posted by: Kindltot at October 06, 2025 04:48 PM (rbvCR)

367

A priori for Pete's sake. Been doing this a bit, I know what precedent is, but that does not limit an unscrupulous judge who distinguishes on point binding caselaw. It would help if autocorrect would stop dangling my posts, lol

Posted by: imp at October 06, 2025 04:48 PM (g6TN6)

368 294
It's Chicago in Chicago again...

https://youtu.be/k4CBKApU_-w
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 06, 2025 04:30 PM (63Dwl)

I'm old enough to remember those days.
Can't believe I'm still here

Posted by: Lars at October 06, 2025 04:50 PM (7nHHc)

369 "He said their top priority is protecting the right to 'PROTEST' rather than rounding up illegal alien criminals."

I can't wait for people to start "PROTESTING" the ATF and IRS.

Posted by: Sarge at October 06, 2025 04:50 PM (ibIN8)

370 It is a bought and paid for situation that has been trying to build something like an army for at least 5 years in America and can't exert power beyond the lone wolves like Taylor Robinson or in a mass within their deep blue enclaves like Portland.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, seeing dreamlike horrors with Mario Bava at October 06, 2025 04:42 PM (GBKbO)

They don't go far from whoever feeds them and gives them drugs.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 06, 2025 04:50 PM (rbvCR)

371 Why are all these weirdos from Portland?

Inbreeding? Drugs? Radiation?
Posted by: Jap Movie Producer at October 06, 2025 04:44 PM (Hsed0)

They are paid and fed there. Really that is the main reason. That sort of money leaves trails too.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 06, 2025 04:52 PM (rbvCR)

372

Why are all these weirdos from Portland?

Inbreeding? Drugs? Radiation?
Posted by: Jap Movie Producer

8 months of straight rain

Posted by: imp at October 06, 2025 04:53 PM (g6TN6)

373 I don't know what would be worse; if something kicked off before 2028 (regardless of who started it in earnest), or if the dems took back DC somehow and then went even more batshit.

The latter would be a near guaranteed rerun of Spain, but with some additional twists - and with populations with 100 more years of ghastly inspiration on how to clean our their opponents, along with fragile interconnected global economies.

What I do know though is that things can't keep going the way they are going. Non-progs are done with the crazies, bums, murderers, invaders, and pedos. No more. And enough see there is no reason to make nice, as well.

Posted by: heya at October 06, 2025 05:02 PM (EX/lS)

374 I thought all these issues were settled back in the 60s, the 1860s!

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at October 06, 2025 05:15 PM (wZlsB)

375 The more militant Antifa see to depend on the more "moderate" Antifa to hide the militants as they all dress in black. But how many "moderate" Antifa are willing to be arrested as terrorists?

ICE might start arresting a few involved in "direct action", but perhaps with the terrorist tag, they start taking down more that block ICE from taking action, or from moving at all. Then the "Moderate Antifa" stop showing up and just whine online?

Posted by: illiniwek at October 06, 2025 05:22 PM (vbXSk)

376 I'd say it's way past time for a whiff of grapeshot, but I suspect these bastards are itching for another Kent State/Boston Massacre event.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 06, 2025 03:51 PM (ySpAZ)

Stop getting me excited! I remember that very clearly, having completed my military obligation 9 months before that. Most people in my social circle, many ex vets, applauded.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at October 06, 2025 05:32 PM (5xuJ/)

377 Rules of engagement?
Shoot them until they stop moving.
Unionist forces for the win, again.

Posted by: PTSD giver at October 06, 2025 08:14 PM (k3AX8)

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Chicago Antifa Terrorists Box In an ICE Vehicle and More Antifa Ram Another ICE Van;
CHICAGO POLICE ORDERED TO FLEE THE AREA AND RENDER NO ASSISTANCE TO FELLOW LEOs UNDER ATTACK