THE MORNING RANT: Periodic Roundup of the EV Follies

THE MORNING RANT: Periodic Roundup of the EV Follies – 9/19/2025

Thanks to President Donald Trump, EPA Administrator Lee Zeldin, and Congressional Republicans, the nightmare of the government-enforced “EV transition” is on the ropes. I’m not writing about it as often now, but neither am I going to stop, because the left is not done trying to force these external combustion vehicles on us. Here are some updates on what has been going on:

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With the car buying public having emphatically rejected EVs, manufacturers are dealing with a glut of unsold inventory, and the situation will only worsen with the end of the federal $7,500 EV credit at the end of September. So, they have no choice but to shut down EV assembly lines.

Stellantis (Chrysler / Dodge) kept putting off the launch of a full-size electric pickup. It’s now dead. You might say Stellantis has pulled the plug.

“Ram cancels plans for all-electric pickup truck” [CNBC – 9/12/2025]

With the announcement, RAM also announced that it would continue working on an “extended range electric truck, which is equipped with an electric generator and a gas engine.” In other words, it’s a complicated mess with multiple drivetrains. Good luck with that.

There has been a series of announcements about General Motors suspending production of its unpopular Hummer EV and Cadillac Escalade IQ. GM first announced that it’s cutting production and laying off workers at its Detroit assembly plant.

“GM putting 360 workers at Detroit EV plant on layoff in September to cut output” [Automotive News – 8/28/2025]

GM also announced that it is completely suspending production of those same two vehicles later this year at its Spring Hill, TN plant. Production at that plant will also be curtailed in the first half of 2026. I’m pretty sure that is a harbinger of a total suspension of EV production in Spring Hill.

“General Motors cuts output at one of its main EV factories, citing weak demand” [CBC – 9/04/2025]

But wait, there’s more. GM is also cutting production of the electric Bolt at its Kansas City plant.

I pray that GM will give up on the globalist EV distraction and re-focus on selling cars that its customers want to buy. It bothers me that good people are being let go from the assembly line because GM is way too slow to admit defeat and pivot toward assembling vehicles that it can actually sell.

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Meanwhile, Rivian continues to circle the drain. Its business plan was reliant on the forces of government putting traditional ICE auto manufacturers out of business, so I have little sympathy when Rivian finally ceases production…and that day is getting closer.

“Rivian lays off hundreds of employees ahead of the end of EV tax credits” [LA Times – 9/08/2025]

Rivian’s anemic sales don’t even keep its one plant in Illinois very busy, and yet it’s still pretending it will build a giant new plant in Georgia. In fact, a “groundbreaking” charade was just held at the site outside Atlanta for which Governor Brian Kemp squandered $1.5 billion of Georgia taxpayer money. The reason for the “groundbreaking” event this week was so that Rivian could tap into the $6.6 billion “loan” authorized by President Biden (or more likely, his autopen) in the final days of his administration. A shovel full of dirt was a required milestone to let more taxpayer money flow to Rivian.

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VW is suspending production of its electric ID.4 at its Tennessee plan for much the same reason. Sales of the ID.4 have collapsed from already anemic sales levels.

“Volkswagen Chattanooga to furlough 160 workers as ID.4 production pauses” [Times Free Press – 9/02/2025]

Sales of the ID.4 fell 65% from April through June compared to the same period last year, Volkswagen reported in July, pointing to a "challenging environment." The automaker sold fewer than 2,000 ID.4 units during the quarter.

Non-electric Volkswagens are great vehicles. The unused capacity at the Tennessee plant should be converted to gasoline-powered VWs and Audis that are currently being imported and hit by tariffs. But continuing to pursue an imaginary EV customer base is fruitless, as there is virtually no price at which Americans will buy an electric Volkswagen:

“Even with $11,000 Discounts, Volkswagen struggles to sell its most affordable EV”

“Volkswagen is practically giving away the ID.4 with leases as low as $99 a month”

Sorry, Volkswagen, but $0 is still too high a price for your EV.

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Of course, part of the fun of owning an electric vehicle is playing “EV roulette,” never knowing if your car is going to spontaneously burst into a runaway thermal fire. A lot of that has been happening in San Diego recently. Fox San Diego reports that “Multiple electric vehicles caught on fire at an EV charging station in a northern San Diego Target parking lot Saturday night.”

Still in San Diego, several vehicles left to charge overnight at a Hertz lot near the airport were consumed in a runaway thermal fire. “Five vehicles that were charging sustained damage, with two of them fully engulfed, Harbor Police told FOX 5/KUSI.”

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The risk of a runaway thermal fire from a damaged battery is so serious that even a minor fender bender can require that an EV be totaled, because even the slightest damage to the battery case can be catastrophic. As a result, the cost of insuring EVs is proving to be catastrophic to the wallets of EV owners.

“New data uncover another hidden cost of EV ownership: high insurance premiums” [ LA Times – 8/29/2025]

The insurance premiums on electric vehicles are, on average, a whopping 49% higher than those for gas-powered cars, according to new data from the digital insurance platform Insurify.
It costs an average of $4,058 annually to insure an electric vehicle, compared with $2,732 for a traditional vehicle, according to the data. Electric cars cost more to replace, are more expensive to repair, and are more likely to have issues that lead to insurance claims, the report said.

Much of the (limited) appeal of EVs is the perceived exclusivity of driving an expensive, boutique product, indicating that money is not a concern. But for everyone else, with the cost of EV insurance running about 50% higher than the cost of insuring an ICE car, it is financially reckless for those on a tight budget to waste money driving and insuring an EV.

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For all that’s wrong with EVs, we’re constantly being told that they’re mechanically less complex than ICE vehicles, with far fewer moving parts. So, they’re more reliable, right? Of course not.

“Consumer Reports Data Shows EV Trucks Like the Rivian R1T, F-150 Lightning, Sierra EV, and Silverado EV Are Among the Least Reliable Vehicles on the Market Today” [Torque News – 9/11/2025]

At least Iowa City has only a handful of electric buses. The province of Quebec went BIG with electrification of its school bus fleet, supporting the now-bankrupt Lion bus company with massive EV bus purchases. They’re all grounded now.

“Quebec Grounds All 1,200 Lion Electric School Buses After Fire” [The Epoch Times – 9/12/2025]

Quebec’s government has suspended all 1,200 Lion electric school buses in the province from operation after one caught fire earlier this week, leading to school cancellations and numerous school bus routes being halted.

On the other side of Canada, Alberta’s Minister of Environment, Rebecca Schulz, has stated that “Alberta will not accept EV Mandate” from the Canadian government.

The federal government must face the inevitable and abandon the unrealistic, ineffective and unwanted EV mandate before it kicks in next year. This is another failed Trudeau policy, just like the carbon tax, which hurt Canadians from coast to coast.

Of course, there is an option for Alberta other than pleading with the climate cultists in Ottawa to relax their Net Zero obsession. As I’ve been frequently writing about recently, Alberta should secede from Canada.

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Tesla has opened a super-charging site in Los Angeles which doubles as a diner / entertainment complex, about which Elon Musk tweeted, “If our retro-futuristic diner turns out well, which I think it will, Tesla will establish these in major cities around the world, as well as at Supercharger sites on long distance routes.”

Channeling my own thoughts, a Twitter/X user with the handle @Brick_Suit responded, ”Imagine cars that take so long to refuel that you need a diner and movie screens to distract you while you wait. That day is finally here.”

If our retro-futuristic diner turns out well, which I think it will, @Tesla will establish these in major cities around the world, as well as at Supercharger sites on long distance routes.

An island of good food, good vibes & entertainment, all while Supercharging! https://t.co/zmbv6GfqKf
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) July 21, 2025

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I’ll wrap it up today with a visual of just how desperate the glut of unsold EVs is for manufacturers. Car Dealership Guy recently tweeted out a list of all the vehicles with 0% financing and there is something very conspicuous about the list.

Except for the Dodge Charger and Lincoln Navigator, every vehicle on this list is an EV. Even worse, with 2026 year-model vehicles now hitting dealership showrooms, a bunch of these unsellable EVs are two-year old 2024 year-models!

At this point, it might be easier for manufacturers to just book the loss, scrap these cars, and get back to making deals on cars that consumers actually want to buy.

Here are the top 0% financing deals heading into the weekend: pic.twitter.com/QwlfH5azJ8
— Car Dealership Guy (@GuyDealership) August 15, 2025

A tip of the hat to Comrade Arthur, Mark Pulliam, Mr. CBD, and all the others who brighten my day whenever they send me a tip about the EV debacle.

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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1 Nooded.

Posted by: Nazdar at September 19, 2025 11:01 AM (NcvvS)

2 Unless you just need a car for short city drives, in a city that doesn't get cold, there is no reason to buy an EV.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 19, 2025 11:02 AM (sKqQm)

3 Went up in flames better the EV in the top pic or Jimmy Kibble?

Posted by: 18-1 at September 19, 2025 11:03 AM (sKqQm)

4 You're fired!

Posted by: Lizzy at September 19, 2025 11:04 AM (GbwPZ)

5 Tesla has opened a super-charging site in Los Angeles

Robbing the apartments next door of their view.

Posted by: commissar of plenty and festive little hats at September 19, 2025 11:04 AM (0yjq6)

6 “General Motors cuts output at one of its main EV factories, citing weak demand”

The could adopt the ABC/Jimmy Kimmel tactic: “General Motors cuts output at one of its main EV factories, citing pressure from the Trump Administration”

Posted by: t-bird at September 19, 2025 11:04 AM (Q6Bu6)

7 Unless you just need a car for short city drives, in a city that doesn't get cold, there is no reason to buy an EV.
Posted by: 18-1 at September 19, 2025 11:02 AM (sKqQm)

Why not just get a horse. Or a bike. Or walk.

EVs in one form or another are the future. Honestly, complaining about the challenges of making them efficient, safe, and practical just looks like the old farts at the beginning of the 20th century complaining about the horseless carriage.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2025 11:05 AM (iUTaB)

8 Pure EV vehicles make absolutely no sense, hybrids are compelling but they face the same over-reaching, draconian emissions bullsh*t that prevents them from really longe-range vehicles that would make the added expense and complexity worth it. ie high 500 - 1000 mile range.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 19, 2025 11:05 AM (XV/Pl)

9 You've neglected to mention the world's largest manufacturer of EVs: China. I read an article awhile ago that said China had something like 50 manufacturers in the EV game, many of whom had zero experience in building cars. The government was concerned, and so was picking a few winners and telling the others to move on. However, they still have hundreds of acres of unsellable vehicles.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 19, 2025 11:05 AM (Riz8t)

10 My commute is 100 miles/day. This does not include all the other driving I do. No EV is going to meet that need and I don't care how much some mentally ill Swedish chick scolds me.

Posted by: NR Pax at September 19, 2025 11:05 AM (BpO1e)

11 Audi recently shitcanned its upcoming RS6 EV, citing little buyer interest.

Ferrari shitcanned its second EV, citing zero customer interest. It's first EV is a very low-volume hypercar-ish stunt.

Lambo shitcanned its first EV, citing zero customer interest.

Sadly, Porsche seems intent on flushing more of its investor's money down the toilet by pushing ahead with its Cayenne EV.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 19, 2025 11:05 AM (iFTx/)

12 holy cow, I just realized they named an EV the "Niro".

What, so you can fiddle while your garage burns? Right? Right?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 19, 2025 11:05 AM (06Hmj)

13 Cory Mills problem?

Long X thread about his wife (from Iraq), the guy who married them (an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 WTC bombing), and "Mills and his wife started the international arms company and got a $228 million deal with Iraq within the first year."

https://tinyurl.com/t3ufdrsf

Posted by: Ann at September 19, 2025 11:05 AM (w9jrX)

14 The 1969 book The Peter Principle (William Morrow and Company) by Laurence Peter and Raymond Hull.
Peter and Hull intended the book to be satire.

Posted by: SMOD at September 19, 2025 11:05 AM (RHGPo)

15 Georgia turned purple over the past 10-15 years in part due to it becoming Hollywood East. There is a ton of tv and movie production in the state these days and a lot of left wingers moved there.

Not satisfied with being purple, Kemp wanted to go full blue by bringing in the EV industry into the state.

Kemp is asshoe.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at September 19, 2025 11:06 AM (qM1j6)

16 I'm still wondering, at what point did it become acceptable for state and local governments to take taxpayer dollars to finance or give tax breaks to businesses? This applies to stadiums as well as economically unviable factories.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 19, 2025 11:06 AM (0U5gm)

17 With the announcement, RAM also announced that it would continue working on an “extended range electric truck, which is equipped with an electric generator and a gas engine.”

Is that what the Prius and Volt are? It's a workable, but IMO unnecessary, solution.

OT for Weasel-san:
https://youtu.be/CjF5wOW3OzA

Posted by: Oddbob at September 19, 2025 11:06 AM (3nLb4)

18 holy cow, I just realized they named an EV the "Niro".

What, so you can fiddle while your garage burns? Right? Right?

It's better than their first choice - Flaming Dragon.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 19, 2025 11:07 AM (Riz8t)

19 Can you charge your EV at Buc-ee's?

Posted by: I gotta ask at September 19, 2025 11:07 AM (XQo4F)

20 The Electric Viking, You-Tube, Sep. 14, 2025

The Toyota 'Electric Land Cruiser & Three-Row RAV4 EV Will Be Built in the United States' (Kentucky)

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at September 19, 2025 11:08 AM (NFX2v)

21 Cayenne EV will probably do OK. Its target buyer is an AWFL to drive Dakotah and McKenzie to school and back. Having an EV Porsche in the pickup line is a big virtue signal.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at September 19, 2025 11:08 AM (qM1j6)

22 Rivian’s anemic sales don’t even keep its one plant in Illinois very busy, and yet it’s still pretending it will build a giant new plant in Georgia. In fact, a “groundbreaking” charade was just held at the site outside Atlanta

for which Governor Brian Kemp squandered $1.5 billion of Georgia taxpayer money.

Check his offshore bank accounts.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 19, 2025 11:08 AM (jddXn)

23 There should be no backsies in California and New York until the politicians who said there must be EVs by 2030 are gone.

Posted by: SMOD at September 19, 2025 11:09 AM (RHGPo)

24 I'm still wondering, at what point did it become acceptable for state and local governments to take taxpayer dollars to finance or give tax breaks to businesses? This applies to stadiums as well as economically unviable factories.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 19, 2025 11:06 AM (0U5gm)

The Italians thought that was a good idea, back in the early 30s.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2025 11:09 AM (iUTaB)

25 Kemp is asshoe.

I fully expect him to run for president.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 19, 2025 11:10 AM (Riz8t)

26 Can you charge your EV at Buc-ee's?

At most of the ones I've seen, yes. Usually a row of Tesla chargers on the back edge of the parking lot.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 19, 2025 11:10 AM (3nLb4)

27 16 I'm still wondering, at what point did it become acceptable for state and local governments to take taxpayer dollars to finance or give tax breaks to businesses? This applies to stadiums as well as economically unviable factories.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 19, 2025 11:06 AM (0U5gm)

If my sportsball team leaves my city my entire identity and purpose in life will be stolen from me. It’s worth every tax payer dollar to keep them here.
- fans across North America

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at September 19, 2025 11:10 AM (qM1j6)

28 It's better than their first choice - Flaming Dragon.
Posted by: Archimedes at September 19, 2025 11:07 AM (Riz8t)

Put a hot chick in a red dress on the hood of one, and I would buy a Flaming Dragon.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2025 11:10 AM (iUTaB)

29 I like my ICE Jeep. Will be looking at selling my current one ad buying a 2026 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited. And the only battery that I want in it is the one that starts the engine.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 19, 2025 11:11 AM (RgK+2)

30 Georgia turned purple over the past 10-15 years in part due to it becoming Hollywood East. There is a ton of tv and movie production in the state these days and a lot of left wingers moved there.

Not satisfied with being purple, Kemp wanted to go full blue by bringing in the EV industry into the state.

Kemp is asshoe.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at September 19, 2025 11:06 AM (qM1j6)
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Maybe. But I think GA turning purple was mostly a function of insane vote fraud in ATL that reached its peak in 2020. Probably 20% of the votes in that election from GA were 100% fake. I don't think it's a coincidence that, as better vote controls were installed in the leadup to 2024, GA suddenly became redder. There's still work to be done there, of course.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 19, 2025 11:11 AM (iFTx/)

31 The province of Quebec went BIG with electrification of its school bus fleet, supporting the now-bankrupt Lion bus company with massive EV bus purchases. They’re all grounded now.

“Quebec Grounds All 1,200 Lion Electric School Buses After Fire” [The Epoch Times – 9/12/2025]

Quebec’s government has suspended all 1,200 Lion electric school buses in the province from operation after one caught fire earlier this week, leading to school cancellations and numerous school bus routes being halted.

Someone needs to go to jail over that.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 19, 2025 11:11 AM (jddXn)

32 The auto company executives that slavishly followed the EV fad will not suffer.

Posted by: mr tmz at September 19, 2025 11:11 AM (rJ48h)

33 Have 2025 Honda civic sedan, hybrid. 200hp/3300lbs ratio, nice acceleration, ave 48mpg. Bonus, Mrs Kingman likes it.

Posted by: Kingsman at September 19, 2025 11:11 AM (ehY6c)

34 With the announcement, RAM also announced that it would continue working on an “extended range electric truck, which is equipped with an electric generator and a gas engine.”

Are the 100-gallon fuel tank, gas engine, and generator in the back of the truck in order to charge the battery? Leave us some room for the groceries!

Posted by: t-bird at September 19, 2025 11:12 AM (Q6Bu6)

35 19 Can you charge your EV at Buc-ee's?
Posted by: I gotta ask

Checks website. Yes.

Posted by: NR Pax at September 19, 2025 11:12 AM (BpO1e)

36 You should only be able to buy an EV with bitcoin.

Posted by: The way I see it at September 19, 2025 11:12 AM (EYmYM)

37 27 16 I'm still wondering, at what point did it become acceptable for state and local governments to take taxpayer dollars to finance or give tax breaks to businesses? This applies to stadiums as well as economically unviable factories.
Posted by: Thomas Paine

The answer is US and state governments have subsidized crappy businesses since the beginning of time--rarely they will actually do something useful. Canal building in early America, then railroads, then land development, and so on.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2025 11:13 AM (WDjG6)

38 35 19 Can you charge your EV at Buc-ee's?
Posted by: I gotta ask

Checks website. Yes.
Posted by: NR Pax at September 19, 2025 11:12 AM (BpO1e)

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Why check a website when people will just answer your questions here? With questionable veracity?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 19, 2025 11:13 AM (GBKbO)

39 EVs in one form or another are the future. Honestly, complaining about the challenges of making them efficient, safe, and practical just looks like the old farts at the beginning of the 20th century complaining about the horseless carriage.

Posted by: BurtTC

EV were proven by the market to be impractical in 1910.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 19, 2025 11:13 AM (0U5gm)

40 Can you charge your EV at Buc-ee's?

At most of the ones I've seen, yes. Usually a row of Tesla chargers on the back edge of the parking lot.
Posted by: Oddbob

It doesn't help that the lot is 42 acres with no shuttle to the store.

(I kid. I kid.)

Posted by: rickb223 at September 19, 2025 11:13 AM (jddXn)

41 Quebec in winter is just slightly warmer than Antarctica. They went to electric school buses? 🤣🤣🤣

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at September 19, 2025 11:14 AM (qM1j6)

42 Flying EV Car Follies:

Two flying cars collided during a rehearsal for the Changchun Air Show in China, the manufacturer XPeng AeroHT said, blaming "insufficient flight distance.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 19, 2025 11:14 AM (Q4IgG)

43 My next car will be nuclear powered.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 19, 2025 11:14 AM (GBKbO)

44 Willard.

NH is real and it is spectacular. Unless you are from Massachusetts (special dispensation for RMBS).
Orange Man of the Mountain I like the idea.

Posted by: RI Red at September 19, 2025 11:14 AM (8lfqP)

45 Can't we get a simple car, like the people's car, any more?

Posted by: sTevo at September 19, 2025 11:14 AM (HNXEw)

46 thanks Buck! I'm still interested in this stuff so thank you for the rundown

VW really screwed up - and they used ID tech in the new Tiguan which did not make that car any better. it is SO WEIRD. the entire dash is a massive screen! it's three clicks to change the temp in that stupid thing. I already hate the iPad-sized devices distracting you while you drive - this is exponentially worse. and carmakers do a TERRIBLE job of UI design.

loving my slightly silly new Jeep Wrangler - nicely tech-free!

Posted by: Black Orchid at September 19, 2025 11:14 AM (FHttA)

47 27 16 I'm still wondering, at what point did it become acceptable for state and local governments to take taxpayer dollars to finance or give tax breaks to businesses? This applies to stadiums as well as economically unviable factories.
Posted by: Thomas Paine
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Tide of Hollyweird is receding. GA is losing entertainment jobs now to cheaper climes and excess supply of facilities. The big streaming boom of crappy product is also declining.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2025 11:14 AM (WDjG6)

48 Electric Land Cruiser sounds more like a silly insult than a type of vehicle.

"That chick is a total ELC, dude "

"I know, right?"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 19, 2025 11:14 AM (06Hmj)

49 Read today in the UK DM (ok, I scanned the headline) of a car accident in a Telsa bursting into flames. A father and kids were burned to death because the fire rescue guys could not open the doors (or, I guess, break the windows).

Death trap.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at September 19, 2025 11:14 AM (6PCLE)

50 Sportsball owner: Give me a new taxpayer-funded stadium, supporting road network, and ownership of all the concessions, or I'll take my team elsewhere.

Me: Well........Bye!

Posted by: Archimedes at September 19, 2025 11:14 AM (Riz8t)

51 45 Can't we get a simple car, like the people's car, any more?

Jeep "Willy"

Posted by: Black Orchid at September 19, 2025 11:14 AM (FHttA)

52 EV’s are still not ready for prime time, but I wouldn’t dismiss the engine driving a generator concept. It’s has a lot of advantages for efficiency. It lets the engine run at its most efficient speed all the time and if done right can completely eliminate the need for a transmission.

Honda had a system in their Accord Hybrid that did this except the engine would clutch in at highway speeds. It got better mileage than the Civic hybrid with the conventional set up. And it had no transmission at all, so it only weight like 200 lbs more than the IC Accord.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 19, 2025 11:15 AM (705BX)

53 So, a neighbor who I am quasi-friendly with, went off the reservation and purchased a Rivian "Truck" recently. I just shook my head, knowing that in a year or two, Rivian will be in Chapter 11. His vehicle will be worthless because who will service it, when Rivian is out of business? Auto-techs do not like working on hybrids or EVs, because the rate sucks and the actual work sucks on them. EVs, glorified golf carts and stupid.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, Ltd. at September 19, 2025 11:15 AM (BW+Gb)

54 At most of the ones I've seen, yes. Usually a row of Tesla chargers on the back edge of the parking lot.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 19, 2025 11:10 AM (3nLb4)

I was zipping through Kayenta, AZ a couple months ago, stopped at the Bugger King drive thru. Looked over at the row of Teslas charging up there on the parking lot.

Now, wherever you came from, wherever you are going, if you DON'T charge your Tesla at the Bugger King charging stations in Kayenta, you are going to have a dead hunk of metal in the desert before you get anywhere else.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2025 11:15 AM (yP8yc)

55 blaming "insufficient flight distance.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 19, 2025 11:14 AM (Q4IgG)

Ha!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 19, 2025 11:16 AM (06Hmj)

56 I love stories with happy endings
A d it's lunch time

Posted by: Skip at September 19, 2025 11:17 AM (qoRpD)

57 EV were proven by the market to be impractical in 1910.

They become practical when you can just collect 600v from the atmosphere thru your antenna.

"So, your telling me there's a chance...?"

Posted by: t-bird at September 19, 2025 11:17 AM (Q6Bu6)

58 At most of the ones I've seen, yes. Usually a row of Tesla chargers on the back edge of the parking lot.
Posted by: Oddbob

It doesn't help that the lot is 42 acres with no shuttle to the store.

(I kid. I kid.)
Posted by: rickb223 at September 19, 2025 11:13 AM (jddXn)
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By the time you walk across the 42 acres to the store, browse the Wall of Jerky, eat a hot meal, make use of the awesome restrooms, and then walk back across 42 acres to your vehicle, it should be at least 50% charged.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 19, 2025 11:17 AM (7fElN)

59 If you really want an EV lease it. Do not ever buy it. The used market is abysmal and the depreciation curve is off a cliff.

Manufacturers are subsiding leases to move metal. They are taking a massive hit on the residuals to keep lease payments low. Let them take the hit instead.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at September 19, 2025 11:17 AM (qM1j6)

60 NH is real and it is spectacular. Unless you are from Massachusetts (special dispensation for RMBS).

glad to hear about NH! it's a fantastic state. their state uni is pretty ok too! we'll be up visiting one of the boys soon

very under-the-radar school. I judged them "excellent' when they had their junior open house during COVID garbage anyway! we were amazed. plus, town is cute as a button

I wish the skiing wasn't quite so scary I hate to think about that part. and now he's snowboarding too which is somehow even scarier

Posted by: Black Orchid at September 19, 2025 11:18 AM (FHttA)

61 25 Kemp is asshoe.

I fully expect him to run for president.
Posted by: Archimedes
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It's why he passed on Senate run and is promoting a unknown coach for the US Senate race because it rewards the Dooley family for their political support.

Someone who became rich in office and destroyed voting evidence in 2018 governor's election against Abrams. He was SoS at that time.

Dirty, compromised, and corrupt as he is now worth millions when in 2018, he wasn't.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2025 11:18 AM (WDjG6)

62 Can't we get a simple car, like the people's car, any more?

Jeep "Willy"
Posted by: Black Orchid

The Thing.
A cross between a VW and the WWII Duck boat.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 19, 2025 11:18 AM (jddXn)

63 By the time you walk across the 42 acres to the store, browse the Wall of Jerky, eat a hot meal, make use of the awesome restrooms, and then walk back across 42 acres to your vehicle, it should be at least 50% charged.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel

*snort

Posted by: rickb223 at September 19, 2025 11:19 AM (jddXn)

64 Forget best dog movie, how about best movie dog?

Gotta go with Brandy, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. A very good dog.

Posted by: ... at September 19, 2025 11:19 AM (ZW9XP)

65 I think Tank Abrams legit had the election stolen from her.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at September 19, 2025 11:19 AM (qM1j6)

66 The Thing.
A cross between a VW and the WWII Duck boat.

a friend of mine had one way back

the only car among us that no one ever tried to steal lol

now it would be worth something who knows. I feel like she put it together from a kit or something

Posted by: Black Orchid at September 19, 2025 11:20 AM (FHttA)

67 Can't President Trump claw back that 6 billion loan to Rivian?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2025 11:20 AM (hA1Nw)

68 Two flying cars collided during a rehearsal for the Changchun Air Show in China, the manufacturer XPeng AeroHT said, blaming "insufficient flight distance.

I lived in Orlando for almost 20 years. The actual blame is "Asian drivers" and I will not be convinced otherwise.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 19, 2025 11:20 AM (2ocoG)

69 50 Sportsball owner: Give me a new taxpayer-funded stadium, supporting road network, and ownership of all the concessions, or I'll take my team elsewhere.

Me: Well........Bye!

Posted by: Archimedes
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Correct answer is antitrust should be applied like a hickory shampoo to sportsball leagues.

Sportsball franchises rely on trusts and collusion along with marketplace exclusion to get their way because entry to that league is restricted. Even the NCAA is not that bad.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2025 11:20 AM (WDjG6)

70 65 I think Tank Abrams legit had the election stolen from her.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at September 19, 2025 11:19 AM (qM1j6)

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I think 2018 was a battle of the cheaters in GA and neither would have won the election genuinely.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 19, 2025 11:20 AM (GBKbO)

71 67 Can't President Trump claw back that 6 billion loan to Rivian?

my first thought!

that annoys

Posted by: Black Orchid at September 19, 2025 11:20 AM (FHttA)

72 I was zipping through Kayenta, AZ a couple months ago, stopped at the Bugger King drive thru.

Remind me to bypass them.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 19, 2025 11:20 AM (jddXn)

73 Showing once again that EVs are fake and gay.

Posted by: Expensive Volatility at September 19, 2025 11:20 AM (TbWk/)

74 It is interesting that EV, and windmills, and solar farms all have the same issue: when the subsidies go away, nobody wants them.

I wonder if there is an economic principle at work here?

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 19, 2025 11:20 AM (0U5gm)

75 My next car will be nuclear powered.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 19, 2025 11:14 AM (GBKbO)

With chandeliers for headlamps.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2025 11:21 AM (QEKxY)

76 61 25 Kemp is asshoe.

I fully expect him to run for president.
Posted by: Archimedes

Dirty, compromised, and corrupt as he is now worth millions when in 2018, he wasn't.

So you're saying he's highly qualified?

Posted by: Archimedes at September 19, 2025 11:21 AM (Riz8t)

77 75 My next car will be nuclear powered.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 19, 2025 11:14 AM (GBKbO)

With chandeliers for headlamps.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2025 11:21 AM (QEKxY)

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Get out of my head.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 19, 2025 11:21 AM (GBKbO)

78 EV’s are the transgenders of cars. Obnoxious, attention seeking status symbols, other people have to pay for them, not that good at their chosen purpose, and they could violently explode for nonsensical reasons.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 19, 2025 11:21 AM (705BX)

79 Can't President Trump claw back that 6 billion loan to Rivian?

If he knows which Cayman Islands accounts to look thru.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 19, 2025 11:21 AM (jddXn)

80 33 Have 2025 Honda civic sedan, hybrid. 200hp/3300lbs ratio, nice acceleration, ave 48mpg. Bonus, Mrs Kingman likes it.
Posted by: Kingsman at September 19, 2025 11:11 AM (ehY6c)

Quick question: Roughly what did you pay? We're needing to replace a 2007 RAV4 (had a Camry before that), and are trying to brace ourselves for major sticker shock. I know I can look up sticker, but that doesn't account for dealer charges, credits or allowances/etc. that come with an actual transaction.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at September 19, 2025 11:21 AM (a/dOO)

81 Democrat fat-fluencer Olivia Julianna (the Gorlock they briefly claimed would convince young men to be communists after decided David Hogg's solution of just talking to them was too radical) is calling for high school students to skip lunch and protest for Jimmy Kimmel.

People are joking that it's so she can take all the lunches while the kids aren't looking.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 19, 2025 11:22 AM (2ocoG)

82 54 Charging stations at Burger Kings must be a thing in AZ. I pulled into one in Holbrook and there was a pair of matching Teslas charging up, with, evidently, twin brothers and their wives. Retired age. The guys were having trouble with road maps due to the wind (Tesla doesn't have a nav system?) and their brides were really bitchin' at both guys about something. Got my coffee and burger and chuckled.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 19, 2025 11:22 AM (gm9Sb)

83 EV’s are the transgenders of cars. Obnoxious, attention seeking status symbols, other people have to pay for them, not that good at their chosen purpose, and they could violently explode for nonsensical reasons.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 19, 2025 11:21 AM (705BX)
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[Golf clap]

Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 19, 2025 11:22 AM (iFTx/)

84 Sportsball franchises rely on trusts and collusion along with marketplace exclusion to get their way because entry to that league is restricted. Even the NCAA is not that bad.

Posted by: whig

Baseball at least has a specific exemption from the Sherman anti-trust act provided by the US congress. Probably the rest as well.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 19, 2025 11:22 AM (0U5gm)

85 81 Democrat fat-fluencer Olivia Julianna (the Gorlock they briefly claimed would convince young men to be communists after decided David Hogg's solution of just talking to them was too radical) is calling for high school students to skip lunch and protest for Jimmy Kimmel.

People are joking that it's so she can take all the lunches while the kids aren't looking.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 19, 2025 11:22 AM (2ocoG)

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The left trying to make a martyr of Jimmy Kimmel is hilarious.

Especially as he retreats to his Italian villa.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 19, 2025 11:22 AM (GBKbO)

86 72 I was zipping through Kayenta, AZ a couple months ago, stopped at the Bugger King drive thru.

I think you have to unzip for the Bugger King drive thru

Posted by: Just saying at September 19, 2025 11:22 AM (TbWk/)

87 I was zipping through Kayenta, AZ a couple months ago, stopped at the Bugger King drive thru.

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Remind me to bypass them.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 19, 2025 11:20 AM (jddXn)

There's also a McDonalds, but the line's longer.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2025 11:23 AM (QEKxY)

88 The Thing.
A cross between a VW and the WWII Duck boat.

Last I heard a few years ago, they are still making them in Mexico, just not for the US market.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 19, 2025 11:23 AM (3nLb4)

89 EVs in one form or another are the future. Honestly, complaining about the challenges of making them efficient, safe, and practical just looks like the old farts at the beginning of the 20th century complaining about the horseless carriage.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2025 11:05 AM (iUTaB)

Tell me you don't understand physics without telling me you don't understand physics.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2025 11:23 AM (hA1Nw)

90 Elon makes a nice second car for running around leafy suburbs. He'll dominate that market.

Meanwhile, his unit cost of production keeps going down so he'll make money, especially with limited competition for a niche product.

Posted by: Ignoramus at September 19, 2025 11:23 AM (dtajH)

91 Bought the hybrid Jan 2025 paid 31,9 plus ttl.

Posted by: Kingsman at September 19, 2025 11:23 AM (ehY6c)

92 89 Tell me you don't understand physics without telling me you don't understand physics.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2025 11:23 AM (hA1Nw)

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We just need a bit of plutoniam, Doc.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 19, 2025 11:23 AM (GBKbO)

93 78 EV’s are the transgenders of cars. Obnoxious, attention seeking status symbols, other people have to pay for them, not that good at their chosen purpose, and they could violently explode for nonsensical reasons.

And always transitioning, in this case from vehicle to flaming brick.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 19, 2025 11:23 AM (Riz8t)

94 Wow. Food and entertainment at a fueling station. What a novel idea.

Posted by: Bigsmith at September 19, 2025 11:24 AM (1Au9i)

95 EV’s are the transgenders of cars. Obnoxious, attention seeking status symbols, other people have to pay for them, not that good at their chosen purpose, and they could violently explode for nonsensical reasons.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 19, 2025 11:21 AM (705BX)
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[Golf clap]
Posted by: Elric The Blade

Yeah. That's good. Style Guide should be updated.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 19, 2025 11:24 AM (jddXn)

96 The Thing.
A cross between a VW and the WWII Duck boat.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 19, 2025 11:18 AM

The Thing, official name the Volkswagen Type 181, was manufactured and marketed by Volkswagen from 1968 until 1983.

Originally developed for the West German Army, the Type 181 also entered the civilian market as the Kurierwagen in West Germany, the Trekker in the United Kingdom, the Thing in the United States and Canada, the Safari in Mexico and South America, and Pescaccia in Italy. Civilian sales ended after model year 1980.

Posted by: Wesley Crusher at September 19, 2025 11:24 AM (0sNs1)

97 Yet seeing more Amazon trucks that I am positive are EV, wonder how heavy milage and every day use will stand up for long

Posted by: Skip at September 19, 2025 11:24 AM (qoRpD)

98 65 I think Tank Abrams legit had the election stolen from her.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald

Well, I think it is more fair to say that Tank's cheating by vote buying (they used giftcards to pay for illegal vote harvesting and vote buying) was offset by Kemp's cheating in the back office by rigging the vote totals.

Diebold voting machines used at the time did not give any receipts nor paper copies to be checked. And it does make one wonder if Bush did not pull the same shit in Ohio back in 2004--they used Diebold too and I am sure that Kerry and the Dems were up to their usual urban cheat antics that election. But it appeared that the Kerry team was actually shocked by the Ohio returns indicating they expected something different.

Romney in 2012's team including Karl Rove melting down on air with Fox, had similar expectations.

I think GOPe and Dems have been colluding in cheating for a very long time.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2025 11:24 AM (WDjG6)

99 "Thanks to President Donald Trump, EPA Administrator Lee Zeldin, and Congressional Republicans, the nightmare of the government-enforced “EV transition” is on the ropes. "

Until the next democrat president and congress, then zombie like it will raise itself from the dead. Way too many ways to reward the donors with nearly endless government contracts. solyndra comes to mind.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 19, 2025 11:24 AM (0N4FZ)

100 63: By the time you walk across the 42 acres to the store, browse the Wall of Jerky, eat a hot meal, make use of the awesome restrooms, and then walk back across 42 acres to your vehicle, you might find a charger available.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel

Posted by: Accomack at September 19, 2025 11:24 AM (T1QkV)

101 I'd like to see a Venn diagram of 1.) those who want an EV and 2.) those who want a COVID mRNA vaccine.

Posted by: muldoon at September 19, 2025 11:24 AM (/iMjX)

102 And Ford. $4 billion in EV losses here, $5 billion in losses there.

Posted by: JM in Illinois at September 19, 2025 11:24 AM (DKFs9)

103 87 I was zipping through Kayenta, AZ a couple months ago, stopped at the Bugger King drive thru.

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Remind me to bypass them.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 19, 2025 11:20 AM (jddXn)

There's also a McDonalds, but the line's longer.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2025 11:23 AM (QEKxY)

Where you get buggered by Big Mac

Posted by: Twice the meat at September 19, 2025 11:24 AM (TbWk/)

104 GM would have done smart by stickin with the Voltec arch. The volt 1 and 2 were great cars and reliable.

oh well. At least We will live to see the day GM gets folded into SAIC. What does it matter though, the CCP has already used the last 3o years of "Joint Ventures" to steal all the tech and IP from every major car co. Just need the capacity now.

Part of Obama and lefts plan, I suppose.

Posted by: GigantorX at September 19, 2025 11:25 AM (x8k2o)

105 102 And Ford. $4 billion in EV losses here, $5 billion in losses there.
Posted by: JM in Illinois at September 19, 2025 11:24 AM (DKFs9)

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Can I be a supplier?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 19, 2025 11:25 AM (GBKbO)

106 Charging stations at Burger Kings must be a thing in AZ. I pulled into one in Holbrook and there was a pair of matching Teslas charging up, with, evidently, twin brothers and their wives. Retired age. The guys were having trouble with road maps due to the wind (Tesla doesn't have a nav system?) and their brides were really bitchin' at both guys about something. Got my coffee and burger and chuckled.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 19, 2025 11:22 AM (gm9Sb)

AZ also has roundabouts every half a mile.

In spite of its charms, there are things about this state that are stupid*.

*I say this mostly for the Californicans who are thinking of moving here. Don't, it's really really awful.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2025 11:25 AM (fqhxl)

107 I was zipping through Kayenta, AZ a couple months ago, stopped at the Bugger King drive thru.

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Remind me to bypass them.
Posted by: rickb223

There's also a McDonalds, but the line's longer.
Posted by: BurtTC

Burt, look at your typo. Sorry. Couldn't pass it up. 😂

Posted by: rickb223 at September 19, 2025 11:25 AM (jddXn)

108 25 Kemp is asshoe.

I fully expect him to run for president.
Posted by: ArchimHeh!

Dirty, compromised, and corrupt as he is now worth millions when in 2018, he wasn't.

So you're saying he's highly qualified?
Posted by: Archimedes

It worked for me!!!

Posted by: Jeb! at September 19, 2025 11:25 AM (ycI94)

109 Where you get buggered by Big Mac
Posted by: Twice the meat at September 19, 2025 11:24 AM (TbWk/)

And the Hamburglar watches.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 19, 2025 11:25 AM (2ocoG)

110 "With the announcement, RAM also announced that it would continue working on an “extended range electric truck, which is equipped with an electric generator and a gas engine.” In other words, it’s a complicated mess with multiple drivetrains. Good luck with that."

Isn't this just another way of saying they are working on a hybrid truck? Yeah, it's complicated but many auto manufacturers have satisfactorily solved that problem.

Posted by: Ralph at September 19, 2025 11:26 AM (8WZD4)

111 Tell me you don't understand physics without telling me you don't understand physics.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2025 11:23 AM

But physics is haaaarrrrrrd, and requires math!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 19, 2025 11:26 AM (0sNs1)

112 just looks like the old farts at the beginning of the 20th century complaining about the horseless carriage.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2025 11:05 AM (iUTaB)

Or the ones at the beginning of the 20th century complaining about... electric cars.

Posted by: ... at September 19, 2025 11:26 AM (ZW9XP)

113 You should only be able to buy an EV with bitcoin.
Posted by: The way I see it at September 19, 2025 11:12 AM (EYmYM)

EVs are the Amber Heards of Bitcoins.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 19, 2025 11:26 AM (iJfKG)

114 The horse wasn’t replaced because the govt wanted it replaced. And horse carriages were not running alongside Model T’s for very long. Horses disappeared from cities very fast, like less than a decade.

If EV’s were ready, they’d have done it already and without govt intervention.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 19, 2025 11:26 AM (705BX)

115 What has happened to neoneocon.com?

I just get "FAILED TO ESTABLISH DATABASE CONNECTION"!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at September 19, 2025 11:26 AM (PQOq3)

116 The Honda hybrid sedan was a sport touring model; my 5th honda including the Acura rdx.

Posted by: Kingsman at September 19, 2025 11:27 AM (ehY6c)

117 EV’s are the transgenders of cars.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

**********

Nicely done!

Posted by: muldoon at September 19, 2025 11:27 AM (/iMjX)

118 88 I had a 73 Thing. Pretty fun car, but no good when your little pregnant wife has to get in and out. Nowadays a really clean 73 or 74 (only two years for US import) can fetch close to $20K. A few NATO countries used them as light utility vehicles, and underneath the sheet metal they are pretty much Type 1 Bug.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 19, 2025 11:27 AM (gm9Sb)

119 Democrat fat-fluencer Olivia Julianna (the Gorlock they briefly claimed would convince young men to be communists after decided David Hogg's solution of just talking to them was too radical) is calling for high school students to skip lunch and protest for Jimmy Kimmel.

People are joking that it's so she can take all the lunches while the kids aren't looking.
Posted by: Ian S. at September 19, 2025 11:22 AM (2ocoG)

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The left trying to make a martyr of Jimmy Kimmel is hilarious.

Especially as he retreats to his Italian villa.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 19, 2025 11:22 AM (GBKbO)
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It's part of a distraction campaign to try to get Charlie's murder out of the news and replace it with "RIGHT WING ATTACKS." The right is to some extent falling for it. Kimmel was human halitosis that lost his employer tens of millions of dollars a year. His employer finally had enough. They fired him. End of story.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 19, 2025 11:27 AM (iFTx/)

120 You should only be able to buy an EV with bitcoin.
Posted by: The way I see it at September 19, 2025 11:12 AM (EYmYM)

Can you buy lap dances with titcoin?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2025 11:27 AM (hA1Nw)

121 I always got a perv vibe from that King character.

Posted by: Bulg at September 19, 2025 11:28 AM (77rzZ)

122 Well as of about April of that year, the 2008 election was either going to come down to Obama backed by Soros, Hillary backed by Soros, or McCain.... backed by Soros.

Yes the GOP are scum.

Posted by: ... at September 19, 2025 11:28 AM (ZW9XP)

123 Tell me you don't understand physics without telling me you don't understand physics.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2025 11:23 AM (hA1Nw)

I wonder, does someone in the oil business understand physics?

Or are you afraid your oil will run out?

You don't know exactly what the future holds any more than I do, but we BOTH know sucking oil out of the ground won't be the best option forever.

I hope you make it to retirement age though.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2025 11:28 AM (fqhxl)

124 Not satisfied with being purple, Kemp wanted to go full blue by bringing in the EV industry into the state.

Kemp is asshoe.
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Yup.
Note also he's hip-deep in looking the other way as Hyundai employed hundreds of illegals over Georgia citizens.

There's a huge iceberg of "why" hidden under the surface of the announcement that he would not seek the Senate seat.
And that his little toady Ratshitburger would seek the Gov job.

And, AFAIK, the election commission is still defying the court and refusing to seat the Republicans.
Which the GA GOPe seem keenly interested in not doing anything about.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 19, 2025 11:28 AM (qHqHk)

125 91 Bought the hybrid Jan 2025 paid 31,9 plus ttl.
Posted by: Kingsman at September 19, 2025 11:23 AM (ehY6c)

Thanks. That's actually a much better price than I feared. I thought it would be a high $30s or low $40s.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at September 19, 2025 11:28 AM (a/dOO)

126 With the car buying public having emphatically rejected EVs, manufacturers are dealing with a glut of unsold inventory, and the situation will only worsen with the end of the federal $7,500 EV credit at the end of September. So, they have no choice but to shut down EV assembly lines.
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Subsidies were supposed to make rejection impossible.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 19, 2025 11:28 AM (6bTRc)

127 A Friday Buck Flaming EV Follies post gets the weekend off to a great start. Makes me happy!

Posted by: Burning For You! at September 19, 2025 11:29 AM (oftw2)

128 I always got a perv vibe from that King character.

For a while, they were leaning into that. Made for some funny, if creepy, commercials.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 19, 2025 11:29 AM (3nLb4)

129 I was zipping through Kayenta, AZ a couple months ago, stopped at the Bugger King drive thru.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2025 11:15 AM

The crown is to die for!

Posted by: Pete Bootygig at September 19, 2025 11:29 AM (0sNs1)

130 How do you scrap a car that will burn a parking garage down given the wrong circumstances?

Posted by: GWB at September 19, 2025 11:29 AM (QNMzx)

131 119 It's part of a distraction campaign to try to get Charlie's murder out of the news and replace it with "RIGHT WING ATTACKS." The right is to some extent falling for it. Kimmel was human halitosis that lost his employer tens of millions of dollars a year. His employer finally had enough. They fired him. End of story.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 19, 2025 11:27 AM (iFTx/)

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Kimmel will be forgotten in a week, having made no actual impact in terms of voting preferences in any way shape or form while Charlie Kirk's actual martyrdom will continue to reverberate below the surface of political headlines.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 19, 2025 11:29 AM (GBKbO)

132 Remember Kimmel was saying back after the election that Jan 21st would be his last show. He was named in the Virginia Giufre - Epstein law suit as someone she had sex with at Epstein's house. Jimmy knew the end was near months ago. So this is not news, just him choosing a different suicide track than he had been on.

Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at September 19, 2025 11:29 AM (Da7Vv)

133 Baseball at least has a specific exemption from the Sherman anti-trust act provided by the US congress. Probably the rest as well.
Posted by: Thomas Paine
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1920 Scotus case, Federal Baseball Club v. National League, granted that exemption to baseball, and it was later codified by Congress. As of 2015, it appears that no other sports league has that general protection. In 1961, leagues were allowed by statute to collaborate in selling broadcast rights but NOT generally exemption from the Sherman Act.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2025 11:29 AM (WDjG6)

134 Flying EV Car Follies:

Two flying cars collided during a rehearsal for the Changchun Air Show in China, the manufacturer XPeng AeroHT said, blaming "insufficient flight distance.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 19, 2025 11:14 AM (Q4IgG)

The cause of the collision was a collision.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2025 11:29 AM (hA1Nw)

135 121 I always got a perv vibe from that King character.
Posted by: Bulg at September 19, 2025 11:28 AM (77rzZ)

*Bulg detected* oWo what's this?

Posted by: Bulginator, Bulgarama, Bulgarooski! at September 19, 2025 11:29 AM (TbWk/)

136 Sorry, Volkswagen, but $0 is still too high a price for your EV.

I would take an ID4 for $1.

Posted by: toby928 at September 19, 2025 11:29 AM (jc0TO)

137 I'm thinking about how much my insurance payment for a normal ICE car is higher to subsidize the EV costs STILL

I'm sure the EV owners aren't covering 100 percent of that

Posted by: Black Orchid at September 19, 2025 11:29 AM (FHttA)

138 The horse wasn’t replaced because the govt wanted it replaced. And horse carriages were not running alongside Model T’s for very long. Horses disappeared from cities very fast, like less than a decade.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe

My Mom had an uncle who was still driving around in a horse and buggy in the 1920s. She was always embarrassed when he would come over to her house and her friends were around.

Posted by: Bulg at September 19, 2025 11:30 AM (77rzZ)

139 Burt, look at your typo. Sorry. Couldn't pass it up. 😂
Posted by: rickb223 at September 19, 2025 11:25 AM (jddXn)

It wasn't a typo.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2025 11:30 AM (fqhxl)

140 Note also he's hip-deep in looking the other way as Hyundai employed hundreds of illegals over Georgia citizens.

I saw somewhere that Trump had apologized to the South Korean government about that and they're being allowed back in.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 19, 2025 11:30 AM (2ocoG)

141 126 With the car buying public having emphatically rejected EVs, manufacturers are dealing with a glut of unsold inventory, and the situation will only worsen with the end of the federal $7,500 EV credit at the end of September. So, they have no choice but to shut down EV assembly lines.
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Subsidies were supposed to make rejection impossible.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 19, 2025 11:28 AM (6bTRc)

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To pick some nits. I'd say that subsidies were supposed to make acceptance attractive.

Mandates were supposed to make rejection impossible.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 19, 2025 11:30 AM (GBKbO)

142 With the announcement, RAM also announced that it would continue working on an “extended range electric truck, which is equipped with an electric generator and a gas engine.” In other words, it’s a complicated mess with multiple drivetrains. Good luck with that.
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Probably. Needn't be. Diesel-electric isn't exactly new. Run the engine at its maximum efficiency point and use the electricity to drive the wheels however they need to be driven. We use them on trains for a reason. It's a great system.

But I kinda doubt Dodge is going to slap together a well-engineered hybrid system like trains use, and cars are also not trains. Not sure how well the same scheme would work in a car. Probably fine, but they're awfully big.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 19, 2025 11:30 AM (6bTRc)

143 “Quebec Grounds All 1,200 Lion Electric School Buses After Fire” [The Epoch Times – 9/12/2025]

.. in Philadelphia, they tightly clustered the EV buses in a parking lot (so they would all burn if a fire broke out) and they burned

Posted by: SMOD at September 19, 2025 11:31 AM (RHGPo)

144 I'm thinking about how much my insurance payment for a normal ICE car is higher to subsidize the EV costs STILL

I've heard from insurance people that it's actually to cover the dramatic increase in uninsured illegals causing accidents starting in 2021.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 19, 2025 11:31 AM (2ocoG)

145 I saw somewhere that Trump had apologized to the South Korean government about that and they're being allowed back in.

yep

he bought their nonsense story

Posted by: Black Orchid at September 19, 2025 11:31 AM (FHttA)

146 Kimmel will be forgotten in a week, having made no actual impact in terms of voting preferences in any way shape or form while Charlie Kirk's actual martyrdom will continue to reverberate below the surface of political headlines.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Useful though to highlight those on the right that take the knee though. Same as those that pushed both sides bullshit until Kimmel's firing.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2025 11:31 AM (WDjG6)

147 >>>Tesla has opened a super-charging site in Los Angeles which doubles as a diner / entertainment complex, about which Elon Musk tweeted, “If our retro-futuristic diner turns out well, which I think it will, Tesla will establish these in major cities around the world, as well as at Supercharger sites on long distance routes.”

Look out, Buc-ee's.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 19, 2025 11:31 AM (i24o9)

148 It's no coincidence that just as the EV boondoggle is getting shut down, the driverless car boondoggle is getting amped up. It's always some scam. Always.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 19, 2025 11:31 AM (iFTx/)

149 138 The horse wasn’t replaced because the govt wanted it replaced. And horse carriages were not running alongside Model T’s for very long. Horses disappeared from cities very fast, like less than a decade.

They got tired of being the ones covered in s***.

Posted by: Archimedes at September 19, 2025 11:31 AM (Riz8t)

150 A vehicle so good nobody buys it without heavy incentives from the government.

Posted by: An answer to a question nobody asked at September 19, 2025 11:31 AM (TbWk/)

151 You don't know exactly what the future holds any more than I do, but we BOTH know sucking oil out of the ground won't be the best option forever.

Seems like "peak oil" has been just 10 years away for all of my life.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 19, 2025 11:31 AM (3nLb4)

152 Maybe Kimmel should try really martyring himself for the cause. Could have a big effect on the country.

Posted by: ... at September 19, 2025 11:32 AM (ZW9XP)

153 I timed myself filling up my car from near empty. Was about 4 minutes. For a little less than miles of range.

Sorry, but until charging times are similar to that, EV’s are a niche product.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 19, 2025 11:32 AM (705BX)

154 The reason for the “groundbreaking” event this week was so that Rivian could tap into the $6.6 billion “loan” authorized by President Biden (or more likely, his autopen) in the final days of his administration. A shovel full of dirt was a required milestone to let more taxpayer money flow to Rivian.
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And it will hang on another chunk of time as a result, stealing the capital funds to use on operations with some crafty bookwork.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 19, 2025 11:32 AM (6bTRc)

155 "Iowa City’s entire EV bus fleet is out of commission, waiting for repairs"

If I were to pick the smug-est city in Iowa, Iowa City would probably be on top of the list.

Posted by: pookysgirl, still a Hawkeye at September 19, 2025 11:32 AM (Wt5PA)

156 just looks like the old farts at the beginning of the 20th century complaining about the horseless carriage.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2025 11:05 AM (iUTaB)

Or the ones at the beginning of the 20th century complaining about... electric cars.
Posted by: ... at September 19, 2025 11:26 AM (ZW9XP)

Seriously now, I don't need anyone to explain market economics to me.

I have no special knowledge here, nor do I care one way or the other, which version of conveyance wins the day.

I just think it's funny, seeing people act like Prospector Pete, complaining about the humming horseless carriages.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2025 11:32 AM (fqhxl)

157 Sigh.

If GM just put the 6.6L duramax in the new "hummer" I'd buy one tomorrow to park next to my beloved H1.

I could also discontinue the double quotes.

Posted by: Defenestratus at September 19, 2025 11:32 AM (MC/+K)

158 Oops, 500 miles of range.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 19, 2025 11:32 AM (705BX)

159 We had a car catch fire in the parking garage at work last month. Internal chats were all saying Tesla or EV. Turns out someone was careless in putting out a cigarette and lit their back bumper on fire. We have 5,000 people in our building and a majority associate car fires with EVs. Astounding.

Posted by: mishdog at September 19, 2025 11:33 AM (Mfik9)

160 The unused capacity at the Tennessee plant should be converted to gasoline-powered VWs and Audis that are currently being imported and hit by tariffs.
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My guess is that this is exactly what VAG will do. Retooling is neither easy nor cheap, but it is easier and cheaper than building a new plant.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 19, 2025 11:33 AM (6bTRc)

161 Mandates were supposed to make rejection impossible.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 19, 2025 11:30 AM (GBKbO)

I never reject a mandate.

Posted by: Dave French at September 19, 2025 11:33 AM (ZW9XP)

162 The insurance premiums on electric vehicles are, on average, a whopping 49% higher than those for gas-powered cars, according to new data from the digital insurance platform Insurify.
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We must order these insurance companies to stop punishing EV owners!

Posted by: Green Activist at September 19, 2025 11:33 AM (6bTRc)

163 Seriously now, I don't need anyone to explain market economics to me.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2025 11:32 AM (fqhxl)

I don't recall doing that.

Posted by: ... at September 19, 2025 11:34 AM (ZW9XP)

164 This reminds me of the USA Incandescent Lightbulb Ban.

The exPerts ("I'm A Science!"), in their everlasting intifada against western civilization, decided that our lightbulbs were icky, evil, and devils that had to be banished. Not with having an alternative, those CFL bulbs, but by CFLs being the only option. YOU MUST PRAY, after all, to their religion. And tithe, too.

Even the Instapundit was on a CFL kick at the time.

But much like other green tech, it had a high up-front cost, the supposed years of usage weren't true, and the costs to recycle were never factored in. Despite them being literally toxic to humans with their mercury content AND being in a form (glass tubing) that is fragile and prone to break around the ones most at risk to the toxins - children. Lead paint chips, anyone?

I'm just thankful LED lights have gotten better in quality, altough the prices are still high in comparison. The waste is much less, limited to the electronics portion, and little Julia is less likely to suffer heavy metal poisoning trying to swallow a microchip housed deep in metal and plastic.

Posted by: Another Anon at September 19, 2025 11:34 AM (4h45B)

165 145 I saw somewhere that Trump had apologized to the South Korean government about that and they're being allowed back in.

yep

he bought their nonsense story
Posted by: Black Orchid

The current South Korean government is playing footsie with teh Chicoms and cracking down on Christians and domestic political opposition. Trump is balancing that with the plant and investment considerations like Samsung building massive chip factories over here among other S. Korean companies. For better or worse, on commerce and foreign policy, the Don is a dealmaker with an eye for the horizon rather than day to day tacking on policy. Infuriates some folks.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2025 11:34 AM (WDjG6)

166 "Harris said Walz was the consensus pick of her staff and other close family members. After preparing a pork roast for dinner, she settled on him."

Wow. Kammy's Pioneer Woman Cool just shot through the roof.

Posted by: Bad Andrew at September 19, 2025 11:34 AM (6qf1m)

167 152 Maybe Kimmel should try really martyring himself for the cause. Could have a big effect on the country.
Posted by: ...
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Yeah, he should admit what he did with Epstein's kids.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2025 11:35 AM (WDjG6)

168 Let’s be clear: this isn’t about Tesla or chargers. It’s about the integrity of your thinking.

Every time you write one of these, I search “Tesla.” Every time, your only critique is charging — as if that’s the make-or-break of EVs. But here’s the quiet truth: most EV owners charge while living — sleeping, working, shopping. Their car’s parked anyway. Like ICE cars (idle 95% of the time), the magic isn’t speed — it’s seamlessness. Charging fades into life’s rhythm.

You critique legacy EVs — but ignore Tesla, the architect who solved what you claim is broken. Omitting Tesla isn’t an oversight. It’s a collapse of your argument. Writing about EVs without Tesla is like reviewing smartphones without Apple. Not incomplete — incoherent.

And that’s my deeper concern: if you skip the basics here — where facts are clear — why should I trust your takes on topics I can’t fact-check? Thought leadership demands rigor. Not perfection — but respect for truth.

Respectfully. I know you can do better.

Posted by: DominicanVoices at September 19, 2025 11:35 AM (9IJFs)

169 Of course, there is an option for Alberta other than pleading with the climate cultists in Ottawa to relax their Net Zero obsession. As I’ve been frequently writing about recently, Alberta should secede from Canada.
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But not as the 51st state, please. I like Canadians as a rule, but we have our own compatible but nonetheless different cultures and customs.

An independent second Canadian state, though, is a mega-opportunity for both sides to cooperate and thrive.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 19, 2025 11:36 AM (6bTRc)

170 The current South Korean government is playing footsie with teh Chicoms and cracking down on Christians and domestic political opposition. Trump is balancing that with the plant and investment considerations like Samsung building massive chip factories over here among other S. Korean companies. For better or worse, on commerce and foreign policy, the Don is a dealmaker with an eye for the horizon rather than day to day tacking on policy. Infuriates some folks.

hmm ok so he just served up the nonsense story - these people will only be there temporarily to start the plant up and then leave (lol) - to us rubes

got it

well I hope that's it!

Posted by: Black Orchid at September 19, 2025 11:36 AM (FHttA)

171 Where did I see the pic of someone who had welded a gear to the rear wheel of his Tesla for a chain drive to the alternator he'd mounted to the bumper?

And, without fail, the comments were full of equal parts "this is brilliant" and "in this house, we obey the Laws of Thermodynamics."

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 19, 2025 11:36 AM (qHqHk)

172 I'm just thankful LED lights have gotten better in quality, altough the prices are still high in comparison. The waste is much less, limited to the electronics portion, and little Julia is less likely to suffer heavy metal poisoning trying to swallow a microchip housed deep in metal and plastic.

I've been a big fan of LED bulbs for years. When they were first starting out, someone here in the gray boxes pointed to Cree brand bulbs, and they indeed are fantastic (Amazon has them). The reduced cooling load in the summer and the reduced power draw are both fantastic, and if you get the 2700K version the color's just like incandescents.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 19, 2025 11:37 AM (2ocoG)

173 holy shit Elon's posting

Posted by: Black Orchid at September 19, 2025 11:37 AM (FHttA)

174 I pray that GM will give up on the globalist EV distraction and re-focus on selling cars that its customers want to buy.

Buck, May the CAFE standards go away, too. No one wants an ICE vehicle the size of a tin can. I love my Toyota Sienna minivan with its V6, but the newer models are all hybrids. I don’t want a hybrid!

Posted by: QED Texan at September 19, 2025 11:37 AM (0pQiu)

175 Nothing about it matters if the dogs won't eat the dogfood.

Posted by: toby928 at September 19, 2025 11:38 AM (jc0TO)

176 The Thing.
A cross between a VW and the WWII Duck boat.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 19, 2025 11:18 AM (jddXn)

Das Kubelwagen (I can't do umlauts on a damn Windows keyboard) und it's amphibious Bruder, der Schwimmwagen.

https://tinyurl.com/ypx66tu8

Posted by: The Osprey at September 19, 2025 11:38 AM (zghC2)

177 Seems like "peak oil" has been just 10 years away for all of my life.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 19, 2025 11:31 AM (3nLb4)

Sure, but people ARE buying Teslas.

Or they were, until they decided Elon Musk was a nazi for trying to cut CIA spending.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2025 11:39 AM (aDv+2)

178 Maybe Kimmel should try really martyring himself for the cause. Could have a big effect on the country.
Posted by: ...

So, anyway...

Posted by: rickb223 at September 19, 2025 11:39 AM (jddXn)

179 The unused capacity at the Tennessee plant should be converted to gasoline-powered VWs and Audis that are currently being imported and hit by tariffs.
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My guess is that this is exactly what VAG will do. Retooling is neither easy nor cheap, but it is easier and cheaper than building a new plant.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 19, 2025 11:33 AM (6bTRc)
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Might not even need that much retooling. If any ICE vehicles at all are being made at the TN plant (and I think there are), it's almost certainly already on a platform (MQB, etc) that's used across VW and Audi.

Many people don't know how similar many cars are under the exterior. Some of them are mechanically identical.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 19, 2025 11:39 AM (iFTx/)

180 Except for the Dodge Charger and Lincoln Navigator, every vehicle on this list is an EV. Even worse, with 2026 year-model vehicles now hitting dealership showrooms, a bunch of these unsellable EVs are two-year old 2024 year-models!
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The dealers need to, well, *deal* in that case. That's how I bought the one new car I've ever owned. The negotiation took damn near all day and the dealer - and his sales office - despised me by the end of it, but I walked out for 65% of sticker. The new model year was being stuffed into the channel and the prior year had been *very* weak for the manufacturer, and I knew it. The dealer wasn't happy, but he nearly gave the damn thing away to get it off his lot and make room for a new one.

If the dealers aren't dealing yet, the problem isn't that bad yet.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 19, 2025 11:39 AM (6bTRc)

181 Trump is balancing that with the plant and investment considerations like Samsung building massive chip factories over here among other S. Korean companies.

I get why he's doing that, but Samsung is second only to Intel in how bad their foundries have been running in the last 5 years. They're so bad that the Samsung Galaxy phones use Qualcomm chips made by TSMC.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 19, 2025 11:39 AM (2ocoG)

182 Jeep "Willy"
Posted by: Black Orchid at September 19, 2025 11:14 AM (FHttA)

A little history: the vehicle now known as the Jeep was originally designed by American Bantam Motors in response to a request from the War Department, as were offerings from several other manufacturers. The Bantam car was chosen for production, and then Bantam was screwed over by them giving the build contract to Willys Motors (Bantam lacked the capacity to build the number required). Willys fell short, too, so Ford Motor Co. built a great many Jeeps, too. Willys Jeeps were "MB's", and Ford Jeeps were "GPW's". Parts were interchangeable between them.

Willys continued to build them for both military and civilian markets after WWII.

So Willys built them, but never invented them.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2025 11:40 AM (hA1Nw)

183 147 >>>Tesla has opened a super-charging site in Los Angeles which doubles as a diner / entertainment complex, about which Elon Musk tweeted, “If our retro-futuristic diner turns out well, which I think it will, Tesla will establish these in major cities around the world, as well as at Supercharger sites on long distance routes.”

Look out, Buc-ee's.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 19, 2025 11:31 AM (i24o9)

They'll call it Musk-ee's

Posted by: The Osprey at September 19, 2025 11:40 AM (zghC2)

184 There's a feeling of inevitable decline to the EV industry right now; not any one big thing, but every little thing is beginning to go wrong, in every way. The industry is running on inertia, but that's running down. I'm sure the end of the $7500 subsidy is going to be a big hammer blow to sales (or if the companies cover it, a big blow to the financial bottom line of all of the companies)
Herst has realized that not only were EV's bad as rentals, their resale value is only a fraction of that Herst was counting on when they bought a bunch, and it's going to require more writedowns just to get rid of them.

The industry reminds of a dear departed relative who lived to a very old age. At the end, he was still nominally healthy, with no specific disease, but all of his systems began to gradually fail. At the end, he passed away not because of any one thing, but because of everything finally going out at once.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 19, 2025 11:40 AM (uWKK8)

185 Where did I see the pic of someone who had welded a gear to the rear wheel of his Tesla for a chain drive to the alternator he'd mounted to the bumper?

I remember some CNN bint (I know that doesn't narrow it down much) gushing over some Korean "inventor" who put a propeller on the front of his electric car (which was actually a go-kart).

Posted by: Oddbob at September 19, 2025 11:40 AM (3nLb4)

186 hmm ok so he just served up the nonsense story - these people will only be there temporarily to start the plant up and then leave (lol) - to us rubes

got it

well I hope that's it!
Posted by: Black Orchid

Apparently some of the issue is that LG, etc. were using short term visitor visas (which forbid working in the US) to bring workers in. And my guess is US govt has been ignoring that for a long time. So LG, etc. got caught doing that, told to sin no more, but it sets a new understanding for foreign companies that they have to obey US immigration laws now. We shall see if that situation occurs again but I think Trump is triangulating--billions of new investment in US mfg versus what I guess he sees as a short term expedient back down in this case. As I said, dealmaking which can infuriate those with bright line approach.

He is not going to change who he is at this point.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2025 11:40 AM (WDjG6)

187 Horses made a comeback during WW2 for stuff like milk delivery due to fuel and vehicle and tire and everything shortages. After the war, DIVCO came up with a brilliant idea for a milk truck. It had what you would call an auto pilot. Mimicking a well trained horse, the driver could get out with milk for a few addresses and the truck would roll to the next stop. DIVCO forgot about things like dogs, cats, and kids on bicycles.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 19, 2025 11:41 AM (gm9Sb)

188 186 Apparently some of the issue is that LG, etc. were using short term visitor visas (which forbid working in the US) to bring workers in. And my guess is US govt has been ignoring that for a long time. So LG, etc. got caught doing that, told to sin no more, but it sets a new understanding for foreign companies that they have to obey US immigration laws now. We shall see if that situation occurs again but I think Trump is triangulating--billions of new investment in US mfg versus what I guess he sees as a short term expedient back down in this case. As I said, dealmaking which can infuriate those with bright line approach.

He is not going to change who he is at this point.
Posted by: whig at September 19, 2025 11:40 AM (WDjG6)

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Most of them were B1 visas which are used for conferences and outright forbid the isuee from doing "productive work".

South Korea should have said that the construction was just a team building exercise.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 19, 2025 11:41 AM (GBKbO)

189 They'll call it Musk-ee's

The photos I've seen look pretty cool, very Jetsons-y. If the food's good enough I could see those taking off independent of Tesla itself.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 19, 2025 11:42 AM (2ocoG)

190 I wish the skiing wasn't quite so scary I hate to think about that part. and now he's snowboarding too which is somehow even scarier
Posted by: Black Orchid at September 19, 2025 11:18 AM (FHtt

Not scary at all. Mrs Red and I took up snowboarding at Cannon mountain in NH the year we turned 50. Uhh, 29 +++++.

Posted by: RI Red at September 19, 2025 11:42 AM (8lfqP)

191 "Even worse, with 2026 year-model vehicles now hitting dealership showrooms, a bunch of these unsellable EVs are two-year old 2024 year-models!"

Now let's talk about battery shelf life...

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at September 19, 2025 11:42 AM (O7YUW)

192 I've heard from insurance people that it's actually to cover the dramatic increase in uninsured illegals causing accidents starting in 2021.

Posted by: Ian S

That is correct.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 19, 2025 11:42 AM (0U5gm)

193 that's really interesting AOP!

thanks!

Posted by: Black Orchid at September 19, 2025 11:42 AM (FHttA)

194 If my sportsball team leaves my city my entire identity and purpose in life will be stolen from me. It’s worth every tax payer dollar to keep them here.
- fans across North America

Actually when Bud Adams demanded a new stadium in Houston we just waved goodbye to the Oilers. When the Texans came into being we all assumed they would be in the Astrodome. The part about their new stadium was hidden from the taxpayers until it was too late.

Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at September 19, 2025 11:43 AM (Da7Vv)

195 Posted by: DominicanVoices at September 19, 2025 11:35 AM (9IJFs)

Whole lot of words that said absolutely nothing that addresses the criticisms or supports replacement of ice vehicles .

The main point made by critics of EVs is they should stand on their own. If they are a superior product the market will show it. Unfortunately it is showing the exact opposite.

Posted by: the way I see it at September 19, 2025 11:43 AM (EYmYM)

196 Not scary at all. Mrs Red and I took up snowboarding at Cannon mountain in NH the year we turned 50. Uhh, 29 +++++.

that's awesome

I'm used to Bear or maaaayyyyybbbeeee Blue

NH mountains blow ours away

Posted by: Black Orchid at September 19, 2025 11:43 AM (FHttA)

197 I can't be the only one laughing in shock at the Lincoln Navigator--$102k for 72 months.

$1400+ a month.
Before operating costs and insurance.

I don't care if it's 0% interest, who in the F can afford that?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 19, 2025 11:43 AM (qHqHk)

198 This brunette in a dress is fond of the insane acceleration in the EV sports car her boyfriend drives on weekends, and thinks they're a fine and fun toy:
http://tiny.cc/ayss001

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 19, 2025 11:44 AM (6bTRc)

199 My Daughter bought a Tesla right before the election because they were offering such a good price... She's the only one in the Family who can figure out how to drive the darn thing... She does like it... Uses it to work and short trips... They have a couple nice gas guzzling cars too...

Posted by: It's me donna at September 19, 2025 11:44 AM (VE6XX)

200 holy shit Elon's posting
Posted by: Black Orchid at September 19, 2025 11:37 AM (FHttA)

Or a fairly accurate simulation thereof.

I did read that comment, not in Elon's voice, but Kyle Dunnigan impersonating Elon's voice voice.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2025 11:44 AM (CfHuJ)

201 An amusing aside to the EV flying car collision...

The demo was put on to demonstrate how safe they are, as well as a demo of their capabilities. Supposedly some of the Chinese EV "flying taxis" are just jumbo versions of your quad-copter drone. 1-2 people max. And some are remotely/AI operated.

The two that crashed down in flames were piloted by humans.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 19, 2025 11:44 AM (Q4IgG)

202 I get why he's doing that, but Samsung is second only to Intel in how bad their foundries have been running in the last 5 years. They're so bad that the Samsung Galaxy phones use Qualcomm chips made by TSMC.
Posted by: Ian S.
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And if TSMC went offline? I think Trump is trying his best to make sure that chip sources are not controlled by China directly or indirectly via threats.

Same reason we can't afford for Boeing to go under--want to be subject to Euro or China for aircraft?

Ideally we get away from the massive too big to fail corporations for these things but unconsolidating capital intensive industries with our current short term stock market focus from Big Finance is like trying to fix the engine while your car is cruising down the freeway at 70 mph.

Purism simply is not an option in the short run so we get messy and sometimes disheartening short term reverses. This is a war and a hard slog against determined globalist opposition--we are going to take hits and going to have reverses in pushing them back. Just like the Cold War with similar opponents.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2025 11:45 AM (WDjG6)

203 Lincoln Navigator - $102500 at 0% for 72 mos? What a deal!

Let's see, taxes, doc fee, etc, $111k out the door = $1500/mo for 6 years. Save on gas ($250/mo) offset by higher insurance for EV ($150/mo). At least there are no finance charges to add on.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 19, 2025 11:45 AM (Dv3i1)

204 Isn't this just another way of saying they are working on a hybrid truck?

No. Hybrids use a combination of ICE and electric motors to directly drive the wheels.

Range extending EVs have no linkage from the ICE to the drive train. The ICE is there simple as a generator. Its actually not a bad idea overall... trains have been using this tech for decades. The benefits of a small diesel engine running at its peak efficiency to keep a battery charged gives you the benefits of both electric and ICE.

Problem is that at the end of the day you still can't keep the battery charged with the range extender so now you have to charge AND fill up the tank.

Posted by: Defenestratus at September 19, 2025 11:45 AM (MC/+K)

205 You don't know exactly what the future holds any more than I do, but we BOTH know sucking oil out of the ground won't be the best option forever.

--

Based on current proven reserves, we have 500 years to figure out an alternative.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 19, 2025 11:46 AM (0U5gm)

206 Sure, but people ARE buying Teslas.

Or they were, until they decided Elon Musk was a nazi for trying to cut CIA spending.

I imagine that it sucks when forced to choose between virtue signalling for climate change and virtue signalling for Orange Man Bad.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 19, 2025 11:46 AM (3nLb4)

207 Best thing about Rivian going in the dumper is that Alex Soros invested so much of the family fortune into it. hahahah.

They've been working on better batteries since the first electric boat hit the water in the late 19th century. Electric vehicles aren't going away they will become an option. An option that the Big 3 (remember that?) will remain on the outside just as they did when inexpensive, superior built, foreign cars began importation.

Stelanis never forgot one important thing - Hemi.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 19, 2025 11:46 AM (ZSyTt)

208 A hybrid truck is actually a good idea, especially for towing. The reason why the big 3/4 and 1 ton pickups usually have big turbo-diesel motors is because of their yuge low-end torque. Makes towing and hauling effortless.

Hybrids do the same thing: fill out the low-end torque curve to provide instant boost.

I've driven some of the new performance hybrid SUVs. They are heavy but the hybrid boost makes a big difference. It seems clearly destined to find its way into towing and hauling trucks.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 19, 2025 11:46 AM (iFTx/)

209 Most of them were B1 visas which are used for conferences and outright forbid the isuee from doing "productive work".

South Korea should have said that the construction was just a team building exercise.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Thanks for adding the details. I had already moved on from that issue mentally. My guess is though that plant may never end up opening with the collapse of EV demand.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2025 11:46 AM (WDjG6)

210 This brunette in a dress is fond of the insane acceleration in the EV sports car her boyfriend drives on weekends, and thinks they're a fine and fun toy:
http://tiny.cc/ayss001
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Those heels! Never understood how women could walk in those things, especially the more top-heavy ones.

Posted by: Bulg at September 19, 2025 11:47 AM (77rzZ)

211 Range extending EVs have no linkage from the ICE to the drive train. The ICE is there simple as a generator. Its actually not a bad idea overall... trains have been using this tech for decades. The benefits of a small diesel engine running at its peak efficiency to keep a battery charged gives you the benefits of both electric and ICE.

Problem is that at the end of the day you still can't keep the battery charged with the range extender so now you have to charge AND fill up the tank.
Posted by: Defenestratus at September 19, 2025 11:45 AM (MC/+K)
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Which is why trains don't use that kind of system. But the alternative is really big and really heavy

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 19, 2025 11:47 AM (6bTRc)

212 After the war, DIVCO came up with a brilliant idea for a milk truck. It had what you would call an auto pilot. Mimicking a well trained horse, the driver could get out with milk for a few addresses and the truck would roll to the next stop.

DIVCO forgot about things like dogs, cats, and kids on bicycles.
Posted by: bill in arkansas

That's ok. Current self driving cars have too. There was a clip on facebook where a self driving car plastered a "robot" kid who darted out from behind a parked car. Everyone in the comments was complaining that no one could react that fast. Even came up with math formulas to prove it.

Except EVERYONE missed the school bus with it's flashing lights and extended stop 🛑 sign out.

Self driving car included.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 19, 2025 11:47 AM (jddXn)

213 Based on current proven reserves, we have 500 years to figure out an alternative.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 19, 2025 11:46 AM

2000 if you include gasification of coal.

Posted by: toby928 at September 19, 2025 11:47 AM (jc0TO)

214 Das Kubelwagen (I can't do umlauts on a damn Windows keyboard)Posted by: The Osprey at September 19, 2025 11:38 AM

Here's some you can utilize, including the all-important ÿ for Queensrÿche:

ä ë ï ö ü ÿ

Posted by: Wesley Crusher at September 19, 2025 11:48 AM (0sNs1)

215
Was that 5 police officers shot in PA story real? I genuinely ask because I would've thought 3 killed policemen would be a big story for days.

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2025 11:48 AM (/ZFN7)

216 Or are you afraid your oil will run out?

You don't know exactly what the future holds any more than I do, but we BOTH know sucking oil out of the ground won't be the best option forever.

I hope you make it to retirement age though.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2025 11:28 AM (fqhxl)

Heh. I am already retired. But oil won't run out, not even in your grandchildrens' lifetime. And if oil did run out, it would make more sense to manufacture synthetic gasoline from coal, than it would to build electric cars. More miles driven for less total energy expenditure.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2025 11:48 AM (hA1Nw)

217 They'll call it Musk-ee's

Posted by: The Osprey at September 19, 2025 11:40 AM (zghC2)

Needs more "X"s.

Xex-ee's?

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 19, 2025 11:49 AM (i24o9)

218 213 Based on current proven reserves, we have 500 years to figure out an alternative.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 19, 2025 11:46 AM

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So you're saying we have to use the full force of government to find an alternative no matter the cost right now or the whole world will collapse into the stone ages?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 19, 2025 11:49 AM (GBKbO)

219 This brunette in a dress is fond of the insane acceleration in the EV sports car her boyfriend drives on weekends, and thinks they're a fine and fun toy:
http://tiny.cc/ayss001
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Those heels! Never understood how women could walk in those things, especially the more top-heavy ones.
Posted by: Bulg at September 19, 2025 11:47 AM (77rzZ)
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Her "boyfriend" does not drive an EV. He drives a Ferrari or Lamborghini and works in foreign "import" businesses.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 19, 2025 11:49 AM (iFTx/)

220 Those heels! Never understood how women could walk in those things, especially the more top-heavy ones.

My theory is that women's "fashion" shoes are a cruel trick played by gay men on straight women. Prove me wrong.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 19, 2025 11:49 AM (3nLb4)

221
Forget best dog movie, how about best movie dog?

Gotta go with Brandy, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. A very good dog.
Posted by: ...

I still haven't watched OUaTiH. Some day.

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2025 11:49 AM (/ZFN7)

222 205 You don't know exactly what the future holds any more than I do, but we BOTH know sucking oil out of the ground won't be the best option forever.

Carbon is common and apparently one company has figured out a way to take CO2 out of the atmosphere and make it into high quality fuel. Same as condensing nat gas or even converting it to other fuels. All it takes is gobs of cheap energy.

But, nukes can give that energy out in spades and we probably have thousands of years in fissionables alone and you can use natural nuke fuels like uranium and thorium to breed more fuel if you need it.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2025 11:50 AM (WDjG6)

223 Most here will worry more about vodka running out before oil.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 19, 2025 11:50 AM (gm9Sb)

224 I still haven't watched OUaTiH. Some day.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2025 11:49 AM

I put off watching it for a long time and then I said damn, this is a good movie, I should have watched it a year ago.

Posted by: toby928 at September 19, 2025 11:51 AM (jc0TO)

225 192 I've heard from insurance people that it's actually to cover the dramatic increase in uninsured illegals causing accidents starting in 2021.
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Someone backed into my leased car, left a minor dent that crossed over from door to panel (no note). Estimates are $2800. $500 deductible. With claim, premiums will increase and eat up a lot of the $2300 payout. I think I'd make the claim anyway, but it's a leased car, so not sure. Have to fix it or manufacture will hammer me with excess wear and tear.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 19, 2025 11:51 AM (Dv3i1)

226 Most here will worry more about vodka running out before oil.
Posted by: bill in arkansas

What, they aren't planting vodka trees anymore????

Posted by: Bulg at September 19, 2025 11:51 AM (77rzZ)

227 Was that 5 police officers shot in PA story real? I genuinely ask because I would've thought 3 killed policemen would be a big story for days.

I'm still trying to follow it. it's weird.

I want to apologize for thinking the shooter was an illegal due to the Mexican consulate's message. the shooter was American, and a psycho. I don't even know if he worked there. but the shooting was at a plant which I'm guessing had a lot of work visa holders and they apparently scattered in fear (hence the message, and this wasn't an ICE operation at all but people thought it was)

it was broad daylight, they were serving this guy for domestic violence (from a few days before) and he just shot the poor guys up immediately. terrible.

there could be something else going on because you're right - it's so oddly quiet!

Posted by: Black Orchid at September 19, 2025 11:52 AM (FHttA)

228 You don't know exactly what the future holds any more than I do, but we BOTH know sucking oil out of the ground won't be the best option forever.

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Based on current proven reserves, we have 500 years to figure out an alternative.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 19, 2025 11:46 AM (0U5gm)

It's like everything else though, before you run out, you want to have an alternative.

Like if you had 500 years of toilet paper Somewhere before year 500, you better have installed your bidet, or you walk around smelling like shit all the time.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2025 11:52 AM (2Wwko)

229 Based on current proven reserves, we have 500 years to figure out an alternative.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 19, 2025 11:46 AM

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But globull warming is killing the planet right now!!! \sarc

Posted by: Bigsmith at September 19, 2025 11:52 AM (1Au9i)

230 Most here will worry more about vodka running out before oil.
Posted by: bill in arkansas

What, they aren't planting vodka trees anymore????
Posted by: Bulg at September 19, 2025 11:51 AM

There are acres and acres of gin berry bushes.

Posted by: toby928 at September 19, 2025 11:52 AM (jc0TO)

231 177 Seems like "peak oil" has been just 10 years away for all of my life.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 19, 2025 11:31 AM (3nLb4)

A little bit of history that provides insight - the original Peak Oil theory, made by Exxon Geologist Hubbert in 1956, was mathematically very sound, although he didn't accurately take into account the idea that rising prices could increase production. But *that* is not what invalidated his predictions; it was the development of fracking technology by George P. Mitchell in Texas in the 1990's that revolutionized everything. That so vastly changed the oil recovery prospects in both old and new fields that potential world oil and gas reserves were doubled or tripled overnight.
As with all Malthusian theories of decline, the Peak Oil theory was unable to anticipate or account for new technology which completely demolished its perfect predictions.
btw it is quite remarkable that the left, rather than seeing fracking as one of the most incredible and freeing technical innovations in the history of Energy Production, instead chose to demonize it and try to ban it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 19, 2025 11:52 AM (uWKK8)

232 My theory is that women's "fashion" shoes are a cruel trick played by gay men on straight women. Prove me wrong.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 19, 2025 11:49 AM (3nLb4)
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They've been around far too long for that.

High heels exist for a very simple reason. They make legs appear longer, make the butt appear more shapely, and enforce good posture. Put it all together, and they amplify sexiness. It's not that hard to figure out.

Comfortable? No. But they do help make women look great, and women like looking great.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 19, 2025 11:52 AM (6bTRc)

233
The anti-jew civil war has begun.

Nick Fuentes: "Low IQ anti-semitism has a name, and it's Candace Owens."

Fuentes goes on to call Candace "dummy."

So the next step in this war of grifting shitheads is for Candace Owens to say Nick Fuentes has been working for Israel all along.

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2025 11:52 AM (/ZFN7)

234 Every time you write one of these, I search “Tesla.” Every time, your only critique is charging

That's the only critique that has to be made.

Energy density is a problem all EVs have, even your spank bank material tesla have this fundamental problem that no battery tech will ever be able to solve.

Because it's not a battery problem it's a power generation and transmission problem. Until every charging pedestal has a 3 to 5 MW power plant behind it then EVs are not going to work for all of the market. Period. kWh is unavoidable.

Don't give me the whole "giant battery in the corner of the charging lot" either. That's a band aid over a chest wound.

Posted by: Defenestratus at September 19, 2025 11:52 AM (MC/+K)

235 How big of a battery does a typical hybrid have? 1/4 of a conflagration is still a big fire.

Posted by: DaveA at September 19, 2025 11:52 AM (FhXTo)

236 215
Was that 5 police officers shot in PA story real? I genuinely ask because I would've thought 3 killed policemen would be a big story for days.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2025 11:48 AM (/ZFN7)

Yes, it's real.

Nobody in the media cares because of the part of PA that it happened in.

Posted by: XTC at September 19, 2025 11:53 AM (UnA8+)

237
Thanks for 411, Black Orchid.
Quite the mystery...

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2025 11:53 AM (/ZFN7)

238 Heh. I am already retired. But oil won't run out, not even in your grandchildrens' lifetime. And if oil did run out, it would make more sense to manufacture synthetic gasoline from coal, than it would to build electric cars. More miles driven for less total energy expenditure.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2025 11:48 AM

The germans managed to run pretty much the last 18 months of the war with nothing but coal liquification to produce fuel for their war machine. They got very good at it using 1940s technology. And that technology has not stopped being improved upon in the 80 years since.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 19, 2025 11:53 AM (0N4FZ)

239 I'm not going to sweat the condition of our descendants 2K years from now. It will probably be an Ice Age anyway so outside my expertise.

Posted by: toby928 at September 19, 2025 11:54 AM (jc0TO)

240 This brunette in a dress is fond of the insane acceleration in the EV sports car her boyfriend drives on weekends, and thinks they're a fine and fun toy:
http://tiny.cc/ayss001
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

Those heels! Never understood how women could walk in those things, especially the more top-heavy ones.
Posted by: Bulg at September 19, 2025 11:47 AM (77rzZ)
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Her "boyfriend" does not drive an EV. He drives a Ferrari or Lamborghini and works in foreign "import" businesses.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 19, 2025 11:49 AM (iFTx/)
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Oh, and a lot of women love heels and won't be caught dead in anything but. I don't really understand it myself, but I've been told some combination of (i) they make me much taller and my legs more shapely; (ii) men like them so this makes me more attractive to them; (iii) they're high fashion and I love fashion; and (iv) they aren't hard to walk in once you get used to them.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 19, 2025 11:54 AM (iFTx/)

241 Here in glorious people’s democrat republic of California, I see more Rivans and more weird of brand EVs everywhere. Where the electricity for tire 1 is running 40 cents/ kw-hr of it is even available.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at September 19, 2025 11:54 AM (17s+e)

242
So the next step in this war of grifting shitheads is for Candace Owens to say Nick Fuentes has been working for Israel all along.

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2025 11:52 AM (/ZFN7)

wth

honestly chuckle-worthy

Posted by: kallisto at September 19, 2025 11:55 AM (dCxaZ)

243 As with all Malthusian theories of decline, the Peak Oil theory was unable to anticipate or account for new technology which completely demolished its perfect predictions. ...
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 19, 2025 11:52 AM (uWKK

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Fracking has been huge, as has the crazy drill depth we can hit now. The Gulf of America might itself may be a damn near limitless resource.

And when we eventually can punch all the way through the crust, we'll find out if the Soviets were on to something with their abiotic oil theory. If they were, look out below. Oil becomes a limitless resource in fact, even if it may well end up being effectively limitless anyway.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 19, 2025 11:55 AM (6bTRc)

244 We're saved! House passes stop gap spending bill!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy! at September 19, 2025 11:55 AM (L/fGl)

245 >>>Purism simply is not an option in the short run so we get messy and sometimes disheartening short term reverses. This is a war and a hard slog against determined globalist opposition--we are going to take hits and going to have reverses in pushing them back. Just like the Cold War with similar opponents.
Posted by: whig
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There was much -big sloppy failure- in WW I and WW II the difference then is that we were accustomed to failure. We got where we were by trial and error and understood that it was part of life. Failure was part of life to push on through.

The last few generations have not faced the frequent, heavy burden of failure. Instead of putting their shoulder to it like an offensive lineman (our grandfathers and before) they run like little girls.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 19, 2025 11:55 AM (ZSyTt)

246
Anyone remember that Spider Man meme of all the Spider Mans standing there, pointing at each other?

That's, eventually, the conclusion of all this "Israel did it" bullshit -- with everyone accusing everyone else of being a Mossad agent.

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2025 11:55 AM (/ZFN7)

247 240 Oh, and a lot of women love heels and won't be caught dead in anything but. I don't really understand it myself, but I've been told some combination of (i) they make me much taller and my legs more shapely; (ii) men like them so this makes me more attractive to them; (iii) they're high fashion and I love fashion; and (iv) they aren't hard to walk in once you get used to them.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 19, 2025 11:54 AM (iFTx/)

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Dolley flies off the handle when I even suggest she put them on. She hates them, though she does own a couple of pairs for some reason.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 19, 2025 11:55 AM (GBKbO)

248 When I leased my Sorento, the insurance was the same as the payment, 325$.
I think men and women wore heeled shoes up til the 1700’s and then men stopped.
Men used to tuck their pants into their boots to protect them from mud which we still do, if they are work boots. Now, only women do which they have to because women’s pants have such slim legs.

Posted by: Accomack at September 19, 2025 11:56 AM (T1QkV)

249 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 19, 2025 11:52 AM (6bTRc)

there have been times in the history of civilization that men also wore the heels

not stilettos but heels nonetheless

Posted by: kallisto at September 19, 2025 11:56 AM (dCxaZ)

250 Heh. I am already retired. But oil won't run out, not even in your grandchildrens' lifetime. And if oil did run out, it would make more sense to manufacture synthetic gasoline from coal, than it would to build electric cars. More miles driven for less total energy expenditure.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2025 11:48 AM (hA1Nw)

Maybe so, I don't know. Like I said, I can't predict the future.

Now, if people kept their complaints about electric cars to the fact that government subsidizes them, I'd been on the sidelines too, wearing my short skirt and shaking my pom poms.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2025 11:56 AM (J9ulb)

251 236 215
Was that 5 police officers shot in PA story real? I genuinely ask because I would've thought 3 killed policemen would be a big story for days.
Posted by: Soothsayer
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Became a local story--but there was the weird Mexican consulate press release indicating somting wong in that situation. And the dead perp was apparently armed for bear--reading between the lines--wonder if cartel affiliation of the dead perp.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2025 11:56 AM (WDjG6)

252 btw it is quite remarkable that the left, rather than seeing fracking as one of the most incredible and freeing technical innovations in the history of Energy Production, instead chose to demonize it and try to ban it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 19, 2025 11:52 AM (uWKK

Not so remarkable as it is revealing of their true motivations. I am trying to think of another, equally significant reveal, and I'd have to put it up there with child mutilation/grooming and the 2020 steal.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 19, 2025 11:57 AM (i24o9)

253 227 it was broad daylight, they were serving this guy for domestic violence (from a few days before) and he just shot the poor guys up immediately. terrible.

there could be something else going on because you're right - it's so oddly quiet!
Posted by: Black Orchid at September 19, 2025 11:52 AM (FHttA)

Spring Grove is an exurban/semi-rural part of York County.

Generally not a political hotbed at all.

Posted by: XTC at September 19, 2025 11:57 AM (UnA8+)

254 Or the ones at the beginning of the 20th century complaining about... electric cars.

Yeah, I hear all the time about how if only electric cars had been in development for as long as gasoline cars, they’d be just as good or better.

When I point out that electric cars have existed far longer than gasoline cars, they sort of accept it but within an hour reboot into “if only electric cars…”

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 19, 2025 11:57 AM (EXyHK)

255 244 We're saved! House passes stop gap spending bill!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy! at September 19, 2025 11:55 AM (L/fGl)

Senate won't pass it.

Posted by: Nova Local at September 19, 2025 11:57 AM (tOcjL)

256 Posted by: the way I see it at September 19, 2025 11:43 AM (EYmYM)

You’re dodging. I wasn’t arguing “replace ICE.” I was calling out dishonest critique. The article weaponized “charging takes too long” — then mentioned Tesla only to mock a dinner event, implying you need to eat while charging. Absurd. Most EV owners plug in while sleeping, working, shopping — car’s parked anyway. Like ICE cars (idle 95% of the time), it’s seamlessness, not speed. Tesla didn’t just enter the market — it solved range, charging, software, safety. Omitting them isn’t oversight — it’s collapse. You say “market will decide”? Fine. Tesla already is: outselling all luxury brands combined in the U.S., highest safety scores, most reliable charging. If your critique ignores that, it’s not analysis — it’s performance.

Posted by: DominicanVoices at September 19, 2025 11:57 AM (9IJFs)

257 Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 19, 2025 11:53 AM (0N4FZ)

SASOL is the preeminent company currently for that. Created when SA was embargoed.

Posted by: the way I see it at September 19, 2025 11:57 AM (EYmYM)

258 It's funny that one of two ICE vehicles offering 0% financing is called a Charger. Maybe a decision-maker at Stellantis thinks it's an EV.

Posted by: Oglebay at September 19, 2025 11:57 AM (MMp6W)

259 A woman in high heels is fecund; receptive to the main reason for being. Always worked on me.

Posted by: Kingsman at September 19, 2025 11:57 AM (ehY6c)

260 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 19, 2025 11:52 AM (6bTRc)

there have been times in the history of civilization that men also wore the heels

not stilettos but heels nonetheless
Posted by: kallisto at September 19, 2025 11:56 AM (dCxaZ)
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Men still do: cowboy boots. And even men's dress shoes have some big heels. Not pointy heels, but some men's dress shoes have a good inch and a half of heel, which increases the apparent height of the guy.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 19, 2025 11:58 AM (iFTx/)

261 Became a local story--but there was the weird Mexican consulate press release indicating somting wong in that situation. And the dead perp was apparently armed for bear--reading between the lines--wonder if cartel affiliation of the dead perp.

his name is very white bread so no

I think they sent the message to their visa-holders (and around here we do have a bunch on legal work visas for farming) bc the cops were in a firefight and their workers were terrified

that said I guess cartels sometimes have American white boys joining up

Posted by: Black Orchid at September 19, 2025 11:58 AM (FHttA)

262 227 A prime example of things that can happen to a cop, love 'em or hate 'em. A cop bud of mine was months from the turning in of papers for retirement and went on check fraud. He and another guy went to serve papers and pick up a guy for bouncing checks repeatedly at a local grocery. Suspect invites them in, sits on couch and pulls a gun from the cushion and starts shooting. My friend had to shoot and kill the guy and really complicated his life for a few months.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 19, 2025 11:58 AM (gm9Sb)

263 still haven't watched OUaTiH. Some day.
Posted by: Soothsayer at September 19, 2025 11:49 AM

The less you know about the movie the better. It's an experience for sure. Slow burn.

Posted by: ... at September 19, 2025 11:58 AM (ZW9XP)

264 I never liked really high heels, even when I was younger.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 19, 2025 11:58 AM (Nx5jP)

265 The germans managed to run pretty much the last 18 months of the war with nothing but coal liquification to produce fuel for their war machine. They got very good at it using 1940s technology. And that technology has not stopped being improved upon in the 80 years since.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 19, 2025 11:53 AM (0N4FZ)
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Fischer-Tropsch is old tech, and it *works*. We don't use it much because its uneconomic. Expensive way to use coal, when you already have oil and it takes a lot of energy input.

If you have that energy input for free anyway - say, waste heat from a molten salt reactor - then a combined energy complex becomes a very attractive prospect, if you have all the parts. And our thorium-rich coal deposits become doubly attractive. Make electricity with the thorium from the coal and uranium, use its waste heat to drive your gassification, turn the coal into liquid fuel. Nasty waste products, but very high potential effeciency.

We have everything in this country.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 19, 2025 11:58 AM (6bTRc)

266 Scrolled through Facebook one last time.

Facebook is stupid, this last scroll through solidifies that, but I'm weirdly demure about deletion.

I've had that account since FB first got to Virginia Tech in about 2005.

Sure, I haven't posted anything on it in at least 5 years, and even that was an abberation. But, still.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 19, 2025 11:59 AM (GBKbO)

267 There was much -big sloppy failure- in WW I and WW II the difference then is that we were accustomed to failure. We got where we were by trial and error and understood that it was part of life. Failure was part of life to push on through.

The last few generations have not faced the frequent, heavy burden of failure. Instead of putting their shoulder to it like an offensive lineman (our grandfathers and before) they run like little girls.

Posted by: Braenyard
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I think you are correct. Too easy to become Veruca Salt (Charlie and the Chocolate Factory) and demand our "Ooompa Loompa Now Daddy!!!!"

Hard times are like forging steel. Makes for resilience.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2025 11:59 AM (WDjG6)

268 We're saved! House passes stop gap spending bill!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Fat, Dumb, and Happy! at September 19, 2025 11:55 AM (L/fGl)

Senate won't pass it.

Posted by: Nova Local at September 19, 2025 11:57 AM

I thought I had read someplace they were onboard with the stop gap bill.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 19, 2025 11:59 AM (0N4FZ)

269 How big of a battery does a typical hybrid have? 1/4 of a conflagration is still a big fire.

Hybrid batteries are run at much more conservative margins than full EVs, so fires have been basically unknown. Same reason peoples' phones aren't detonating all the time unless they've been targeted by the Mossad.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 19, 2025 11:59 AM (2ocoG)

270 Steam-powered cars were a big thing for a while too ....

Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 19, 2025 11:59 AM (iFTx/)

271 Generally not a political hotbed at all.

yeah XTC maybe there just isn't anything there other than a terrible, tragic one-off event so

no wedge issues to push so let it lie

Posted by: Black Orchid at September 19, 2025 11:59 AM (FHttA)

272 Dolley flies off the handle when I even suggest she put them on. She hates them, though she does own a couple of pairs for some reason.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 19, 2025 11:55 AM (GBKbO)

A sensible, elegant heel is somewhere in the neighborhood of 2-3 inches. You venture beyond that and you risk landing in slutsville.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 19, 2025 11:59 AM (i24o9)

273 No. Hybrids use a combination of ICE and electric motors to directly drive the wheels.

Range extending EVs have no linkage from the ICE to the drive train. The ICE is there simple as a generator. Its actually not a bad idea overall... trains have been using this tech for decades. The benefits of a small diesel engine running at its peak efficiency to keep a battery charged gives you the benefits of both electric and ICE.

Problem is that at the end of the day you still can't keep the battery charged with the range extender so now you have to charge AND fill up the tank.
Posted by: Defenestratus at September 19, 2025 11:45 AM (MC/+K)

There are "series hybrid" (train locomotives) and "parallel hybrid" like the Prius.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2025 11:59 AM (hA1Nw)

274
Fantastic update of the industry in the USA.

Thanks.

(Two months ago, I bought a used 2015 Honda Accord V6 4-dr. sedan, white, just like my existing 1999 Honda Accord EX V6, also white. My new used car is really the daughter of my old car. The 1999 is the backup car and both are on insurance although the older one has no collision/comprehensive.)

NEVER buy electric. We are decades away still from any viable all-electric vehicles. Nobody believed me when I said we are NOT even close for this yet.

Posted by: Sapwolf at September 19, 2025 11:59 AM (5pS45)

275 Thx Buck.
It's like if there are no government subsidies/involvement the EVs aren't economical. Reality intrudes. EVs are the perfect example of socialism interference in a market economy and failing miserably. Someone should ask Raffensberger if he agrees with Kemp on the Rivian grift. Watch him twist himself into knots

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 19, 2025 12:00 PM (lmTGO)

276 266 Scrolled through Facebook one last time.

Facebook is stupid, this last scroll through solidifies that, but I'm weirdly demure about deletion.

I've had that account since FB first got to Virginia Tech in about 2005.

Sure, I haven't posted anything on it in at least 5 years, and even that was an abberation. But, still.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Fakebook will rickroll you--they are never going to give you up. And with their Fakebook tracking mechanisms, beware of the fakebook bug on websites.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2025 12:00 PM (WDjG6)

277 272 A sensible, elegant heel is somewhere in the neighborhood of 2-3 inches. You venture beyond that and you risk landing in slutsville.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 19, 2025 11:59 AM (i24o9)

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Slutsville?

The secret name I've given our bedroom?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 19, 2025 12:00 PM (GBKbO)

278 When I point out that electric cars have existed far longer than gasoline cars, they sort of accept it but within an hour reboot into “if only electric cars…”
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair

The first automobile was steam-powered. I wonder if that's a technology that could be revived.

Posted by: Bulg at September 19, 2025 12:00 PM (77rzZ)

279 EXTERNAL COMBUSTION vehicles -- effin' brilliant, Buck!

I'm so stealing this.

Posted by: Beverly at September 19, 2025 12:00 PM (Epeb0)

280 A sensible, elegant heel is somewhere in the neighborhood of 2-3 inches. You venture beyond that and you risk landing in slutsville.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder

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Wasn't Last Train to Slutsville a Monkey's song?

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2025 12:01 PM (WDjG6)

281 Oh, and a lot of women love heels and won't be caught dead in anything but. I don't really understand it myself, but I've been told some combination of (i) they make me much taller and my legs more shapely; (ii) men like them so this makes me more attractive to them; (iii) they're high fashion and I love fashion; and (iv) they aren't hard to walk in once you get used to them.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 19, 2025 11:54 AM (iFTx/)

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Dolley flies off the handle when I even suggest she put them on. She hates them, though she does own a couple of pairs for some reason.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 19, 2025 11:55 AM (GBKbO)
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"Calm down and put these on. My love."

Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 19, 2025 12:01 PM (iFTx/)

282 …implying you need to eat while charging. Absurd.

You’ll need to make this critique to other EV enthusiasts also. Whenever I see an EV enthusiast on the YT explaining how wonderful their EV was for getting to some convention (I don’t search out EV videos, it’s that convention I was interested in), they always plan their trip around stopping at chargers near restaurants.

Counting up their stops, they must eat four meals just on their trip. If I had an electric vehicle I’d weigh a lot more than I do.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 19, 2025 12:01 PM (EXyHK)

283 276 Fakebook will rickroll you--they are never going to give you up. And with their Fakebook tracking mechanisms, beware of the fakebook bug on websites.
Posted by: whig at September 19, 2025 12:00 PM (WDjG6)

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I think the only thing actually connected to it that I use with anything like frequency is Goodreads.

I've been resistant to tying my FB account to anything outside of FB since they started doing it.

Got my pictures off it, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 19, 2025 12:01 PM (GBKbO)

284 There was much -big sloppy failure- in WW I and WW II the difference then is that we were accustomed to failure. We got where we were by trial and error and understood that it was part of life. Failure was part of life to push on through.

The last few generations have not faced the frequent, heavy burden of failure. Instead of putting their shoulder to it like an offensive lineman (our grandfathers and before) they run like little girls.

You see that in the reactions to SpaceX doing rapid iterative design in public. Some people understand that failure is intended to be an option and some people think it always means the product can never work.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 19, 2025 12:01 PM (2ocoG)

285 251 Became a local story--but there was the weird Mexican consulate press release indicating somting wong in that situation. And the dead perp was apparently armed for bear--reading between the lines--wonder if cartel affiliation of the dead perp.
Posted by: whig at September 19, 2025 11:56 AM (WDjG6)

York (nor Spring Grove) isn't that close to Philadelphia, nor is "Matthew James Ruth" a hispanic name.

So, unless the ex-girlfriend was a Mexican...

Posted by: XTC at September 19, 2025 12:01 PM (UnA8+)

286 Now, if people kept their complaints about electric cars to the fact that government subsidizes them, I'd been on the sidelines too, wearing my short skirt and shaking my pom poms.
Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2025 11:56 AM (J9ulb)
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That is my complaint. If the EV is right for you, have at it. If your goal is a low-maintenance urban runabout or a balls-to-the-wall short run performance car, the EV might well be what you're after.

But buy it your damn self, and don't force your choices on others.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 19, 2025 12:01 PM (6bTRc)

287 Slutsville?

The secret name I've given our bedroom?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 19, 2025 12:00 PM (GBKbO)

I might've gone with poundtown.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at September 19, 2025 12:02 PM (i24o9)

288 Posted by: DominicanVoices at September 19, 2025 11:57 AM (9IJFs)

Still a lot of nothing. The fact is that charging EVs when you're on the road ( you ignored that part of the criticism) takes 10x the time to fuel up an ice vehicle. And that's the least significant criticism of EVs.

Posted by: the way I see it at September 19, 2025 12:02 PM (EYmYM)

289 Oh, and a lot of women love heels and won't be caught dead in anything but. I don't really understand it myself, but I've been told some combination of (i) they make me much taller and my legs more shapely; (ii) men like them so this makes me more attractive to them; (iii) they're high fashion and I love fashion; and (iv) they aren't hard to walk in once you get used to them.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 19, 2025 11:54 AM (iFTx/)

I don't know, I can't be sure, but I think maybe it has something to do with the sexual intercourses.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2025 12:02 PM (r/2wJ)

290 "Calm down and put these on. My love."

9.5 out of 10. Needs "Female gentlemen" for the 100% Ace score.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 19, 2025 12:02 PM (2ocoG)

291 Sure, I haven't posted anything on it in at least 5 years, and even that was an abberation. But, still.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 19, 2025 11:59 AM (GBKbO)
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Let sleeping dogs lie. Just let it wither.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 19, 2025 12:03 PM (6bTRc)

292 215 Soothsayer, yes the shooting story about the 5 cops in Pa is real. I live 8 miles from there and I live in the town that the shooter was living. I tried to post in the comments about it yesterday and the day before, but nobody cared.

Posted by: NoLongerintheBellyoftheBeast at September 19, 2025 12:03 PM (OpLc2)

293 291 Sure, I haven't posted anything on it in at least 5 years, and even that was an abberation. But, still.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 19, 2025 11:59 AM (GBKbO)
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Let sleeping dogs lie. Just let it wither.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 19, 2025 12:03 PM (6bTRc)

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30 day countdown has started. I'm probably going to completely forget I did it and get an email saying it's the account is completely dead...

to my Virginia Tech email account which I haven't accessed since 2007.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, in a world of gods and monsters with James Whale at September 19, 2025 12:04 PM (GBKbO)

294 @Rainmaker

Oil and gas may not be 'fossil fuels', but renewable energy source created by a geothermal reaction between the solid mantle and liquid core.

This is according to the abiogenic petroleum origin hypothesis, that posits that petroleum and natural gas are formed from inorganic processes within the Earth's asthenosphere, rather than from the decay of organic matter.

These hydrocarbons then migrate through deep faults into the Earth's crust, forming deposits in various rock types.

While the abiogenic theory is a well-defined concept, the biogenic theory, which suggests a biological origin for petroleum, is the most widely accepted and supported by substantial evidence.

Yet, laboratory experiments simulating conditions in the Earth's mantle have shown the possibility of synthesizing hydrocarbons from inorganic components like carbon, water, and iron.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at September 19, 2025 12:04 PM (ZSyTt)

295 292 215 Soothsayer, yes the shooting story about the 5 cops in Pa is real. I live 8 miles from there and I live in the town that the shooter was living. I tried to post in the comments about it yesterday and the day before, but nobody cared.
Posted by: NoLongerintheBellyoftheBeast at September 19, 2025 12:03 PM (OpLc2)

Thomasville? New Oxford?

Posted by: XTC at September 19, 2025 12:04 PM (UnA8+)

296 .
NOOD

Senate Invokes "Nuclear Option" to Confirm 48 Trump Nominees Long Delayed By Insurrectionist Democrats

NOOD!

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at September 19, 2025 12:05 PM (O7YUW)

297 new thread up

Senator Chucky Fvckstick and President Daddy being a boss again

Posted by: kallisto at September 19, 2025 12:05 PM (dCxaZ)

298 Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at September 19, 2025 11:14 AM

This tragic incident occurred on September 7, 2025, in the village of Villigst, located in the Unna district of North Rhine-Westphalia, western Germany.

A 43-year-old man driving a Tesla veered off the road while attempting to overtake another vehicle, collided with a tree, and the car burst into flames. The man and two nine-year-old children inside were unable to escape due to the vehicle's retractable electronic door handles failing to deploy — likely because the electrical system was damaged in the crash — trapping them as the fire spread rapidly.

A local shop owner, Roman Jedrzejewski, rushed to the scene with a fire extinguisher and desperately tried to open the doors but couldn't, despite the right side of the car remaining relatively undamaged at first. One child managed to exit the vehicle unaided and was hospitalized, but the other three perished from burns and smoke inhalation at the scene.

Firefighters also struggled to extinguish the blaze due to flare-ups...

Grok: https://bit.ly/4nIyhCn

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at September 19, 2025 12:06 PM (P5BPp)

299 The first automobile was steam-powered. I wonder if that's a technology that could be revived.
Posted by: Bulg
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Why? IC works fine and if you really don't want that, you can do what NASA did, direct conversion of radioactive materials into electricity for space probes.

Density of energy is what is needed and batteries and steam simply don't have what is needed right currently. To get that density with steam, you require very high pressures aka a giant pressure cooker where you hope the seams hold and water to turn into steam. Battery density means putting more and more energy into a smaller and smaller matrix to get energy density up--and that means if you suddenly get some short or exposure to other elements like air--some very bad things happen during a very short time in extreme exothermic reactions.

For whatever reason, carbon fuels work, are easily controllable and dense in providing power, all from nature. And so do nukes even more.

Mother Nature has handed us what we need, we just need to will to use them.

Posted by: whig at September 19, 2025 12:06 PM (WDjG6)

300 that said I guess cartels sometimes have American white boys joining up
Posted by: Black Orchid at September 19, 2025 11:58 AM (FHttA)

Other weird police statement was 'we know who he was and who he worked for'

Posted by: the way I see it at September 19, 2025 12:07 PM (EYmYM)

301 Soothsayer, yes the shooting story about the 5 cops in Pa is real. I live 8 miles from there and I live in the town that the shooter was living. I tried to post in the comments about it yesterday and the day before, but nobody cared.

wait! dammit I care! I have been overwhelmed with work lately

Posted by: Black Orchid at September 19, 2025 12:08 PM (FHttA)

302 @41/Its Go Time Donald: "Quebec in winter is just slightly warmer than Antarctica. They went to electric school buses? 🤣🤣🤣"

They have a very-fast-heating option, but it's one-use only.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at September 19, 2025 12:08 PM (O7YUW)

303 Tesla didn’t just enter the market — it solved range, charging, software, safety. Omitting them isn’t oversight — it’s collapse. You say “market will decide”? Fine. Tesla already is: outselling all luxury brands combined in the U.S., highest safety scores, most reliable charging. If your critique ignores that, it’s not analysis — it’s performance.
Posted by: DominicanVoices at September 19, 2025 11:57 AM (9IJFs)

Tesla didn't "solve" anything. They simply were the best at coping with those problems. They are nice cars for a niche urban market. Full stop.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2025 12:09 PM (hA1Nw)

304 Posted by: DominicanVoices at September 19, 2025 11:57 AM (9IJFs)

Still a lot of nothing. The fact is that charging EVs when you're on the road ( you ignored that part of the criticism) takes 10x the time to fuel up an ice vehicle. And that's the least significant criticism of EVs.
Posted by: the way I see it at September 19, 2025 12:02 PM (EYmYM)

Alright you two. Donald, tell Elon you're sorry you said the only reason he opposed the Big Bad Bullshit Bill was because it took out the EV subsidies.

Elon, you tell Donald you're sorry you suggested he was in Epstein's files for any reason other than they ran in a lot of the same social circles.

Come on, hug it out, bros.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 19, 2025 12:09 PM (tAPWz)

305 Posted by: Defenestratus at September 19, 2025 11:52 AM (MC/+K)

You’re right — this isn’t about lab specs. It’s about real life. The average American drives 40 miles a day. Plug in at home overnight and you’re topped up by breakfast. Just like your phone: charge while you sleep, live your day. That’s 95% of use cases, solved.

Road trips? Yeah, you’ll stop. But so what? People already stop — for coffee, food, bathrooms. Tesla’s Superchargers add 200+ miles in 15 minutes. Saying “EVs won’t work until every charger has a power plant behind it” is like saying “phones won’t work until every outlet delivers 5G.” It misunderstands the system. You don’t need a jet engine to drive to work.

Battery buffers at stations are not a gimmick but the solution to avoid overbuilding the grid and they're already working. This isn’t theory. Millions are living it. Charging fades into the background — like Wi-Fi, like refrigerators, like seatbelts once did. If your critique ignores how people actually live, then it’s not about EVs. It’s about resisting change dressed up as physics.

You don’t need to love EVs. But don’t pretend they don’t work — when millions prove they do, every single day.

Posted by: DominicanVoices at September 19, 2025 12:10 PM (9IJFs)

306 The time for Incendiary Combustion Engines is here!

Posted by: t-bird at September 19, 2025 12:11 PM (Q6Bu6)

307 Steam-powered cars were a big thing for a while too ....
Posted by: Elric The Blade at September 19, 2025 11:59 AM (iFTx/)

Then the steam wells all dried up...

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 19, 2025 12:12 PM (hA1Nw)

308 BlackOrchid, the shooting was at a farmhouse next to a cornfield. Not a plant of any sort. He was stalking a girl he dated a few times. The police had been to his parents house looking for him and already had a bolo out on his vehicle. Brought them to the farmhouse where the girl lived with her mom. They had already left in fear for their safety. He was inside the house and had killed the family dog and then gunned down the officers

Posted by: NoLongerintheBellyoftheBeast at September 19, 2025 12:12 PM (OpLc2)

309 Forgot about my visit to the Frick Art & Historical Center, in Pittsburgh, PA in July. (I have good pictures but I'm lousy trying to link anything.)

Germane to this thread, there was a Baker Motor Vehicle Company (Cleveland, OH) 'Electric Stanhope,' 1903, Gift of Mr. and Mrs. Donald Burnham, on display with many other vehicles of the time.

"After their initial unveiling at the National Automobile Show of 1900, Baker Electric quickly become the nation's most popular battery-powered vehicles. Baker's 'Stanhope' was marketed as quiet, genteel, and especially well-suited for ladies and urban professionals. In some cities, charging stations were installed in business districts, allowing drivers to "refuel" while they completed errands."

So much like today, more than 100 years later.

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at September 19, 2025 12:14 PM (NFX2v)

310 Shooting was in North Codorus Twp, near Spring Grove and Porters

Posted by: NoLongerintheBellyoftheBeast at September 19, 2025 12:14 PM (OpLc2)

311 19 Can you charge your EV at Buc-ee's?
Posted by: I gotta ask at September 19, 2025 11:07 AM

Yes. At least at the ones I've visited recently.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at September 19, 2025 12:15 PM (AnKDS)

312 Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 19, 2025 12:01 PM (EXyHK)

"...they always plan their trip around stopping at chargers near restaurants."

Yes, and why is this a problem? You do not stop at any point while traveling out of state? If you drive an EV, all you have to do is make sure that there is a charger available. How taxing is that? I don't drive an EV, but most rest stop have EV chargers in them, so what's the problem?

Posted by: DominicanVoices at September 19, 2025 12:17 PM (9IJFs)

313 The Frick in Pittsburgh is wonderful! Grounds and car museum are free of charge. Only house tour has an admission fee. I went all the time.

Posted by: NoLongerintheBellyoftheBeast at September 19, 2025 12:17 PM (OpLc2)

314 If you think the EV market is bad you need to check why ICE vehicles are rotting on dealership lots.

Until manufacturers start making affordable, simple cars without every bell, whistle and thingamajig on it sales will continue to stay at record lows. No one that isn't making 100k a year can afford a new vehicle at the price point they are currently at.

Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at September 19, 2025 12:17 PM (3Q1a1)

315
"With the announcement, RAM also announced that it would continue working on an “extended range electric truck, which is equipped with an electric generator and a gas engine.”

There's never been a dance that's so easy to do
It even makes you happy when you're feelin' blue
So come on, come on
Do the Loco-Motion with me

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 19, 2025 12:17 PM (63Dwl)

316 The AI that seeks out criticism of EV and churns out propaganda has entered the chat.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at September 19, 2025 12:17 PM (1MlMk)

317 I would like to point out that the term fossil fuels is inaccurate. There are oceans of methane on Saturn's moon Titan, and nobody is suggesting that there used to be dinosaurs there.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 19, 2025 12:20 PM (0U5gm)

318 “…. just looks like the old farts at the beginning of the 20th century complaining about the horseless carriage”

Ha! Not even close.

The main difference, nobody had to outlaw horses.

Natural market forces, without subsidies, made the transition inevitable.

That’s not what they are trying to effect here. There is no comparison with the fake and gay assumptions they are forcing on everybody.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 19, 2025 12:21 PM (2Cdkl)

319 Political arguments aside I like the acceleration and regenerative braking on the Teslas, but I'm leery of battery fires and I really dislike everything being on a flat panel display that you cannot operate by feel/muscle memory while keeping your eyes on the road like you can with traditional buttons, dials and turning signal stalks.

Posted by: The Osprey at September 19, 2025 12:24 PM (zghC2)

320 Posted by: the way I see it at September 19, 2025 12:02 PM (EYmYM)

It takes 15 minutes at a Supercharger to add 200 miles. How long to park, pee, and grab coffee? I timed it — 5–7 minutes. So yeah, add 10. If you stop to eat? Car’s ready before you are. This isn’t theory — it’s routine. Millions live it daily.

You’re not arguing ICE vs EV. You’re pretending a solved problem is broken — while ignoring how people actually use these cars. On road trips? EV drivers are everywhere. Seen one stranded? Me neither. Not because they’re magic — because planning + infrastructure works.

The “10x longer” line? Only if you treat charging like gas — pull up, pump, leave. But that’s not how it works. And that’s the point you keep dodging. Charging isn’t an event — it’s woven into stops you already make. Like Wi-Fi. Like coffee.

You don’t have to like EVs. But don’t claim they “don’t work” when they’re quietly working for millions — including on cross-country trips. The issue isn’t preference. It’s pretending reality doesn’t exist because it doesn’t fit the script.

Be honest: how many EVs have you actually seen stranded? Zero? Same here. That’s not luck. That’s design.

Posted by: DominicanVoices at September 19, 2025 12:25 PM (9IJFs)

321 Yes, and why is this a problem? You do not stop at any point while traveling out of state?
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Because it is a radical departure. Batteries in general require a completely different approach. I can fill up my generator or truck or oil heater or propane tank in seconds or minutes. It is then good to go, practically indefinitely, in the next few minutes to years. Stored energy.

Batteries don’t work that way. They take several hours to recharge and have inherent inefficiency in both charging and discharge. You have to plan around the battery charge. It is a time intensive process.

That’s not getting into either extreme cold or extreme heat, that add to the problems. Don’t misunderstand they have their place, but this is a choice, not a mandate.

The “Elite” have decided the huddled masses yearning to be Free are not to be allowed any choice. For that reason alone they can go to hell, regardless of the technical merits or not. And they are still firmly in the “not” category anyhow.

Posted by: Common Tater at September 19, 2025 12:28 PM (2Cdkl)

322 313 The Frick in Pittsburgh is wonderful! Grounds and car museum are free of charge. Only house tour has an admission fee. I went all the time.
Posted by: NoLongerintheBellyoftheBeast

It WAS a wonderful place to visit. I'll go back again, hopefully soon.

So VERY different than the Mattress Factory Museum which did, however, have some copies of book pages and newspapers in an exhibition, "State of the Sky," that included materials about 19th-century pollution in Western Pennsylvania.

Always a fun city for me to visit.

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at September 19, 2025 12:41 PM (NFX2v)

323 Posted by: Common Tater at September 19, 2025 12:28 PM (2Cdkl)

"Batteries don’t work that way. They take several hours to recharge and have inherent inefficiency in both charging and discharge. You have to plan around the battery charge. It is a time intensive process."

If you have an average commute, you will not dischard your battery. Planning? Get to your home/work, plug it in and go on with your life. Is that too much planning for you? How do you ever manager to charge your cellphone? I'm done my friend, have a nice day.

Posted by: DominicanVoices at September 19, 2025 12:59 PM (9IJFs)

324 Yeah, but in the meantime, I am still subject to commercials on YT for the “all electric” Cadillac whatever the hell it is.

The EV business cannot end fast enough.

Posted by: Cow Demon at September 19, 2025 01:04 PM (MrWte)

325
If you have an average commute, you will not dischard your battery. Planning? Get to your home/work, plug it in and go on with your life. Is that too much planning for you? How do you ever manager to charge your cellphone? I'm done my friend, have a nice day.
Posted by: DominicanVoices at September 19, 2025 12:59 PM (9IJFs)

Many, my dear propagandist, do not have an average commute, I certainly do not. And there are no chargers near my home.

Posted by: Cow Demon at September 19, 2025 01:05 PM (MrWte)

326 If the prices go low enough I'll buy one for the parts.

Posted by: These fish sticks are hard as tits at September 19, 2025 01:15 PM (FX+5F)

327 Posted by: Cow Demon at September 19, 2025 01:05 PM (MrWte)

"Many, my dear propagandist, do not have an average commute, I certainly do not. And there are no chargers near my home."

Yes, I get that. I understand the meaning of "average", do you? You call me a propagandist, but what do you call the piece we're commenting on? Thoroughly researched piece of uninterested journalism?

Posted by: DominicanVoices at September 19, 2025 01:27 PM (9IJFs)

328 Rivian will survive. Any time that I've off road with R1T people are genuinely curious. Pulling other trucks out of the mud and having better range will do that.
The EV push from government really shot it in the foot. Most people have a reaction when being forced or "strongly encouraged" to buy something.

Posted by: CarefreeSteve at September 19, 2025 01:29 PM (noset)

329 The Dodge Charger has been discontinued.

Posted by: MikeN at September 19, 2025 02:18 PM (HVZOH)

330 I love my Tesla. Can charge it in my garage while I’m sleeping. Range is not a problem for ANY commute. Having said that I have a gasoline vehicle for road trips. Doesn’t really make sense yet for people who can’t change at home and for long distance driving.

Posted by: Pj at September 19, 2025 03:26 PM (DyvBy)

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