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Gardening, Home and Nature Thread, Aug. 23

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Hi, everybody! CrotchetyOldJarhead is here to help us keep cool today. And we have some more interesting photos and information, too!

Good morning!
Here is a couple of photos of the lilys in the pond and a view from the cigar lounge under the fan.

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I put some red rainbow minnows in there to knock down the algae and the dragonflies keep the skeeters under control.

These are the cannas out of sight on the left.


And the fig on the right.


And here’s the cigar lounge…


R/s
CrotchetyOldJarhead

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How inviting! A beautiful pond and a wonderful cigar lounge!


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Edible Gardening/Putting Things By

Dear KT,

It's great to see you back!

It's harvest time here in SE Wisconsin, as the photo shows. This year,
the garden has been very generous. Soon after this photo was taken, my
wife (the lovely and accomplished Annalucia) turned the eggplants into a
middle-eastern-style eggplant-and-lamb stew: Delicious, especially when
washed down with a tasty orvieto. I do love this time of year!

BTW, my nom-de-ace is "Nemo".

Regards ...

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The veggies look wonderful and the stew sounds great!

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Puttering

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Science

Allergies seem nearly impossible to avoid - - unless you're Amish

Despite the increasing rate of allergic diseases, both in industrialized and in developing countries, the Amish remain exceptionally - and bafflingly - resistant. Only 7 percent of Amish children had a positive response to one or more common allergens in a skin prick test, compared with more than half of the general U.S. population. Even children from other traditional farming families, who still have lower rates of allergic disease than nonfarm children, are more allergic than the Amish.

In fact, one Amish community living in northern Indiana is considered one of the least allergic populations ever measured in the developed world.

But why?

The "hygiene hypothesis" - first proposed in a 1989 study by British immunologist David Strachan - suggests that early childhood exposure to microbes protects against allergic diseases by contributing to the development of a healthy immune system.

The study found that hay fever and eczema were less common among children born into larger families. Strachan wondered whether unhygienic contact with older siblings served as a protection against allergies.

Subsequent findings have given support to the hygiene hypothesis, such as that children who grow up with more household pets are less likely to develop asthma, hay fever or eczema. Perhaps even more beneficial than having older siblings or pets, however, is growing up on a farm. (More than 150 years ago, hay fever was known as an "aristocratic disease," almost wholly confined to the upper classes of society. Farmers appeared relatively immune.)

This "farm effect" has been confirmed by studies on agricultural populations around the world, including in the United States, Europe, Asia and South America.

You would think that farmers, with more exposure to hay, would have MORE hay fever. Huh.

“We don’t really talk about the hygiene hypothesis as much anymore because we now understand that it’s not really about how hygienic you’re living,” said Kirsi Järvinen-Seppo, director of the Center for Food Allergy at the University of Rochester Medical Center. “It’s more like a microbial hypothesis, since beneficial bacteria that colonize the gut and other mucosal surfaces play a significant role.”

During the first year or two of life, a baby’s immune system is rapidly developing and highly malleable by environmental stimuli, such as bacteria. Some experts believe that exposing young children to certain types of beneficial bacteria can engage and shape the growing immune system in a way that reduces the risk of allergic diseases later in life. Farm dust contains a hodgepodge of bacteria shed from livestock and animal feed that isn’t harmful enough to cause illness, but does effectively train the immune system to become less responsive to allergens later in life

Thinking about getting a cow now?

Got other allergy tips?


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Gardens of The Horde

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I think it's a red yucca plant in my garden but not sure

Maybe the Horde knows.

Regards from northern Israel,

Biden's Dog

Looks pink to me. Anyone know what it is?

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Beautyberry by the woods this morning.

- fd

Lovely. Have you got anything growing in YOUR garden? Harvesting anything?

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Hope everyone has a nice weekend.


If you would like to send photos, stories, links, etc. for the Saturday Gardening Thread, the address is:

ktinthegarden at g mail dot com

Remember to include the nic or name by which you wish to be known at AoSHQ, or let us know if you want to remain a lurker.

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Week in Review

What has changed since last week's thread? Gardening, Home and Nature Thread, Aug. 16


Any thoughts or questions?

I closed the comments on this post so you wouldn't get banned for commenting on a week-old post, but don't try it anyway.

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1 lovely backyard retreat, Jarhead!

Posted by: kallisto at August 23, 2025 01:33 PM (dCxaZ)

2 Despite the blistering hot weather we endured for about a month, summer has been a joy in my neck of the woods. To be sure, every gardening adventure has not been successful, but there were quite a few surprises and grace notes that made up for the epic fails.

Posted by: kallisto at August 23, 2025 01:37 PM (dCxaZ)

3 Good afternoon Greenthumbs
Made Burritos from my Anaheim peppers last night, they were fairly hot. Grilled them to get that tough outter skin they have .

Posted by: Skip at August 23, 2025 01:41 PM (+qU29)

4

Nailing your sisters and first cousins is hypoallergenic!

Posted by: Just Sayin at August 23, 2025 01:41 PM (FrD9h)

5 What a beauty of a yard. Those pond lilies are beautiful

Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 23, 2025 01:41 PM (WF/xn)

6 There are a lot of things to enjoy in Jarhead's yard. Love the lounge. I think I see some critters enjoying it!

Posted by: KT at August 23, 2025 01:41 PM (7vIsy)

7 So canna lilies can grow with their roots wet? I am glad to know that. I am trying to grow some but they are where it is dry in the yard.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 23, 2025 01:41 PM (rbvCR)

8 Good afternoon Greenthumbs
Made Burritos from my Anaheim peppers last night, they were fairly hot. Grilled them to get that tough outter skin they have .
Posted by: Skip at August 23, 2025


Tasty

Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 23, 2025 01:43 PM (WF/xn)

9 Raised on the farm, pretty sturdy.

Posted by: Eromero at August 23, 2025 01:43 PM (LHPAg)

10 Need to run the 🚜 around the yard, nap over so out of excuses.

Posted by: Skip at August 23, 2025 01:48 PM (+qU29)

11 103° in Van Nuys yesterday.
Too doggone hot.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at August 23, 2025 01:53 PM (U3+nr)

12 I envy COJ his 'cigar lounge'. Just gorgeous. Weasel would approve. After this summer's 'surface of the sun' heat, I look at that area imaging cool autumn days, my pipe, fresh brewed coffee and one of the hundreds of books I have waiting. A bit of nirvana.

Posted by: JTB at August 23, 2025 01:56 PM (yTvNw)

13 I had a sensitivity to pine pollen so I bought 25,000 pine trees. Interestingly, it doesn't really bother me anymore.

Posted by: Weasel at August 23, 2025 01:56 PM (4Iy7D)

14 Beautiful back yard and pond, Crotchety Jarhead! Good for contemplation.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at August 23, 2025 01:57 PM (JmxXa)

15 I dug up some of my low or nonproductive tomato plants yesterday. It was a weird growing season this year, but I got lots of tomatoes from the overachievers for sauce later on.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at August 23, 2025 01:59 PM (JmxXa)

16 From Boise area: Lows 61-66 F, highs 86-98. Picking strawberries (productivity way down), green beans (problems with bean rust...), SunGold cherry tomatoes. Larger tomatoes just starting to come on. I dug up the broccolini - wooly aphid infestation was horrendous - have to plant them MUCH farther apart next year.

Husband canned up 7 pints of bread and butter pickles, then pulled out the cucumber vines. A friend gave us an entire bucket of plums, so I canned up 11 half-pints of plum jam (my first time making that) - it used up only 1/4 of the bucket...

A heavily laden peach tree branch cracked - we're leaving it attached in hopes the peaches on it will ripen.

I get to pick up my Fair ribbons on Monday! Getting a ribbon for more than two-thirds of my entries makes me feel pretty darn good!

Posted by: Pat* at August 23, 2025 02:03 PM (VoAz3)

17 Seeing Nemo's harvest, I was reminded that some of best home grown winter squash I've ever had was from SE Wisconsin. The area has wonderfully fertile soil. Even exposed dirt at road construction sites is deep brown and loamy, A far cry from the unbaked brick that passes for soil in our area.

Posted by: JTB at August 23, 2025 02:03 PM (yTvNw)

18 Work has been so insane over the last month but I can't entirely blame that. I have let my garden beds get completely taken over the by the weeds which are now 3 ft tall. What's the fastest way to get them out? I'm actually eyeing my weed wacker but it may make things worse.

Posted by: Beverly at August 23, 2025 02:04 PM (Epeb0)

19 There is another variable about the Amish which is forbidden knowledge. They do not avail themselves of the vaccine industry. But that will not be looked into because it's far too lucrative.

I never questioned that industry myself until 4 years ago but I've looked into it since. I'm a medical editor so I know how to read the literature. Sobering.

Posted by: Beverly at August 23, 2025 02:05 PM (Epeb0)

20 JTB at August 23, 2025 02:03 PM

Nemo's butternut squashes look great.

Posted by: KT at August 23, 2025 02:11 PM (7vIsy)

21 19 There is another variable about the Amish which is forbidden knowledge. They do not avail themselves of the vaccine industry. But that will not be looked into because it's far too lucrative.

I never questioned that industry myself until 4 years ago but I've looked into it since. I'm a medical editor so I know how to read the literature. Sobering.
Posted by: Beverly at August 23, 2025 02:05 PM (Epeb0)
Beverly, I know a load of medical professionals and the only ones who talk up vaxing are socialists/communistas/ubamacare lovers.

Posted by: Eromero at August 23, 2025 02:11 PM (LHPAg)

22 I have a lot of tomatoes thanks to a good, deep roto-tilling last spring. It brought up dirt that hadn't been used for a few years, so the cukes and cayenne peppers are doing well, too. I love the picking season so much more than the digging and watering seasons.

Posted by: huerfano at August 23, 2025 02:13 PM (98kQX)

23 I'm jealous of all You People with your Tomato Privilege. I think I need to start planting *everything* way earlier here, and maybe even set up one of those shade tarps for when it gets super hot.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 23, 2025 02:22 PM (ULPxl)

24 >>> Lovely. Have you got anything growing in YOUR garden? Harvesting anything?
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Got some jackfruit.
First time in years.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 23, 2025 02:22 PM (/lPRQ)

25 Called Hesperaloe here Biden' Dog.

Posted by: az deplorable moron at August 23, 2025 02:23 PM (IBIxQ)

26 One of the Iitoi onions sprouted,years! 10% rate... I'll take it!

Posted by: az deplorable moron at August 23, 2025 02:25 PM (IBIxQ)

27 Well that's done, should get the string trimmer out but not today

Posted by: Skip at August 23, 2025 02:34 PM (+qU29)

28 My Pear tree this year is supporting 4 deer. Anything a deer can reach is bare. I have to go out and shake the top so some fall for them. They are smart enough to leave them alone for a day or two to soften up.
One female is almost tame. She'll walk up and start drinking while I fill the birdbath. Her baby not so much. He almost hurts himsef every time he sees me. Scares the hell out of me too. He's not big enough to get over most of my fences but he tries.

Posted by: Reforger at August 23, 2025 02:36 PM (pxUkb)

29 In this desert we use 50% shade cloth over the tomatoes.

Posted by: az deplorable moron at August 23, 2025 02:37 PM (IBIxQ)

30 The garden beds I planted didn't do all that well, since I came down with shingles shortly after planting. The berry bushes are doing better. The Fignominal fig I planted last year is doing well too. Unfortunately it's in a planter with a lilac and some raspberries. I need to transplant those out. The Chicago Hardy fig is growing well in a container too. I do have some root crops growing. I didn't expect much this year and am trying to decide how to do things next year. I still have a cold frame to put together too.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 23, 2025 02:39 PM (kUxzU)

31 I wonder if the sanitizing craziness that accompanied the Covid hysteria will have a negative impact on babies born during 2020-2023 or so.

I let my boys eat dirt and worms and roll around in the mud.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 23, 2025 02:40 PM (mT+6a)

32 I've wondered why so many people have allergies compared to when I was growing up in the 50s. (Especially peanut allergies which I hadn't heard of until well into adult years.) I had all the usual childhood diseases like measles and chicken pox. You were miserable for a couple of weeks and it was over. I've only had vaccines for tetanus, polio, which everyone got, and small pox when I had to get a passport. (The one flu shot I got, required after 9/11, gave me the damn flu.) And we constantly played outside, getting dirty, scraped up, etc. No allergies. Maybe the Amish are onto something.

Posted by: JTB at August 23, 2025 02:40 PM (yTvNw)

33 Those do look like red yucca buds to me. We have them here in our yard in the Phoenix metro area, which has also been surface-of-the-sun hot for a couple of weeks now, along with crushing (for us) humidity.

Red yucca is a great landscape plant if you don't give it too much water. It's mid-height with taller flower stalks, and much easier to control than, say, fountain grass. (We had no idea and let a landscaper put some in our backyard. Just don't.)

The cool thing about red yucca is every decade or so there's the chance of the recessive genes expressing so instead of red flowers, you get yellow. It's happened a couple of times in the nearly 30 years we've been living here. Sometimes you have just one flower stalk of yellow buds when the other stalks are still budding out red. It's great example for teaching my students about dominant and recessive genes.

Posted by: quietI at August 23, 2025 02:41 PM (fCSlY)

34 Enjoying the humidity and heat in Santa Barbara this weekend.It'sa different kind of heat.

Posted by: az deplorable moron at August 23, 2025 02:41 PM (IBIxQ)

35 Hello to all. The picture posted by Nemo with the follow on stew makes is wonderful. Thank you.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at August 23, 2025 02:43 PM (2ndPU)

36 34 Enjoying the humidity and heat in Santa Barbara this weekend.It'sa different kind of heat.
Posted by: az deplorable moron


We are supposed to be in the 80s for the next several days.

Anything over 72 is horrid.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 23, 2025 02:44 PM (mT+6a)

37 The "hygiene hypothesis" - first proposed in a 1989 study by British immunologist David Strachan - suggests that early childhood exposure to microbes protects against allergic diseases by contributing to the development of a healthy immune system.
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In the 60s when I developed allergies our GP mentioned that as long as there was no life-threatening asthma, learn to live with it. I have found that my cat allergies are tolerable when I have a cat in the house. I am not a cat person and am not cuddly, but living with a cat avoids the distress of going to someone's house and fainting and turning purple.

For the pet thread, I think allergists inocculate with a bit of the allergen. Cheaper to just have a short-haired cat.

Posted by: mustbequantum at August 23, 2025 02:45 PM (blVh+)

38 Jarhead,
Your space looks heavenly. What a wonderful spot to relax and entertain. Good for you!

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 23, 2025 02:45 PM (mT+6a)

39 For nurse ratched -- Cat allergies may be inconvenient, but rabbit fur is intense. Bleah, cough, sneeze, and run outside.

Posted by: mustbequantum at August 23, 2025 02:53 PM (blVh+)

40 Afternoon all

Those pond lily flowers are just spectacular. Not much to report on my little terrace here. Haven't had to hardly water all summer with the intermittent rain we've had.
Bought some pink Vinca a couple of months ago and it continues to blossom and be a bright spot of color. Had no idea it would be so hardy.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 23, 2025 02:58 PM (t/2Uw)

41 I have tried for three years to grow tomatoes on a trellis system, and I am going to have to give up. I will go buy a panel of remesh and make tomato cages this winter.

The trellis doesn't support my tomatoes well, and I still get them sprawling on the rows. It was a good experiment, just not one that worked for me.

Also, never getting Stupice tomatoes again, I prefer beefsteak types. If I want cherry tomatoes I will transplant some of the volunteers.
I did get an accidental paste tomato plant this spring, so we will see if I amended with enough Ca to avoid blossom end rot

I will be picking and canning my first batch, probably tomorrow.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 23, 2025 03:01 PM (rbvCR)

42 40 ... Sharon,

We were so glad to hear your hip surgery and recovery has gone so well. Prayers continue.

If you want more spots of color on your terrace, look at a basket of pansies. Despite the name, they are tough (and colorful) buggers.

Posted by: JTB at August 23, 2025 03:03 PM (yTvNw)

43 Yes,, glad to hear your surgery went well and that you are recovering, Sharon, and I will pray for you as well.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 23, 2025 03:07 PM (2GCMq)

44 Thanks for the photos, everyone. They're lovely and thanks to KT for her work on this thread as well as the others.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 23, 2025 03:09 PM (2GCMq)

45 I planted some hot peppers back in early May. Jalapeños, Habaneros, Italian Long Hots, Scotch Bonnets and Ghost peppers. The first 3 started producing within the first month, and have been consistent. The Bonnets and the Ghosts have only started producing in the past week. I know that the hotter the pepper, the longer the growing period is.
I'm still new at this. I am amazed at how, after 3 months of just producing pretty leaves, the pepper pods showed up seemingly overnight. Can't wait until they ripen. I'm planning to experiment with making my own hot sauce, and possibly hot beef jerky.

Posted by: Kareem of Wheat at August 23, 2025 03:10 PM (/aPAJ)

46 Biden's Dog, it looks like a jelly bean sedum.

Posted by: Flanole at August 23, 2025 03:14 PM (ZnrCl)

47 The spiders are out of control!

Posted by: Eeyore at August 23, 2025 03:15 PM (s0JqF)

48 I was just curious. - the sunlight at high altitude (and even the heat) is really something. Hits like a hammer, to me anyway.

But how does gardening work? Or container gardening? Given irrigation, good potting soil and loam, and perhaps fertilizer how do folks who live in say Leadville and places like that get along? Nice tomatoes and such?

Posted by: Common Tater at August 23, 2025 03:20 PM (X3owK)

49 Helena Handbasket at August 23, 2025 02:22 PM

Early planting is important for tomatoes in hot-summer climates. Mulching roots and various forms of shade can also help. As well as choosing heat-tolerant varieties.

Posted by: KT at August 23, 2025 03:28 PM (7vIsy)

50 Common Tater at August 23, 2025 03:20 PM

I used to live in a fairly high altitude area. Generally, local gardeners are good sources of information for variety choices, etc.

For tomatoes, short-season varieties are usually best.

Posted by: KT at August 23, 2025 03:31 PM (7vIsy)

51 Pat* at August 23, 2025 02:03 PM

Congratulations on all your fair ribbons!

Posted by: KT at August 23, 2025 03:34 PM (7vIsy)

52 Kindltot, how you support tomatoes depends a lot on the variety. I've found that trellising works well with some indeterminate varieties; in particular, cherry tomatoes trellis well. I've also had success with Early Girls and some heirloom varieties. Romas, however are far too bushy to trellis; those, I have to stake or cage.

With regard to allergies, I've heard similar research concerning allergies to peanuts. The received wisdom nowadays is to keep peanuts away from kids because they might be allergic; but some research suggests that it's the absence of exposure in childhood that promotes the allergy. As for me, I'm the fourth of six, growing up in a time when the environment was far more polluted than it is now, yet I have a bunch of allergies - principally to cat dander and some food additives. No, we didn't have pets when I was young. I like cats, a lot, but I can't spend more than 15 minutes in the same room with one - and, of course, they zero in on me. Go figure.

Posted by: Nemo at August 23, 2025 03:35 PM (4RPgu)

53 You might check Fy Nyth on You Tube. She gardens in WY. There are some things she just can't grow but she does a good job on what she can.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 23, 2025 03:42 PM (kUxzU)

54 Peanut allergy is horrible, and tragic. The response in recent years is worse. It’s such a great quick protein, good nutrients and minerals for kids in school. It’s something they enjoy, and it is economical. Upending such a staple for a tiny percentage of the afflicted is nuts (legumes actually) There was one kid in grade school who was allergic to peanut butter, but both the school and he seemed to take it in stride with no trouble.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 23, 2025 03:44 PM (X3owK)

55 Kindltot at August 23, 2025 03:01 PM

I have read that Stupice are for superior flavor as cooked tomatoes, but blah fresh.

Posted by: KT at August 23, 2025 04:16 PM (7vIsy)

56 Kareem of Wheat at August 23, 2025 03:10 PM

Scotch Bonnet and especially Ghost peppers may be too hot for beef Jerky.

Posted by: KT at August 23, 2025 04:28 PM (7vIsy)

57 Well, "special weather statement" about a possible strong thunderstorm this afternoon.

With a forecast of 103.

And 104 tomorrow. Guess it's monsoon season.

Posted by: KT at August 23, 2025 04:57 PM (7vIsy)

58
For the pet thread, I think allergists inocculate with a bit of the allergen. Cheaper to just have a short-haired cat.
Posted by: mustbequantum at August 23, 2025 02:45 PM (blVh+)

I have allergies and siblings but I didn't grow up on a farm. I'm allergic to cats and dogs but I noticed other people's cats bother me if I pet them and then touch my face as long as I wash my hands no problem. my pets don't bother me even if I pet them and then rub my eyes. I wonder if I inoculate myself to my own pets.

Posted by: CaliGirl at August 23, 2025 05:54 PM (BvTfc)

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