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My fingers are too shaky for small scale anything.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 16, 2025 05:30 PM (0eaVi) 2
Welcome Hobbiests
Does cleaning out truck count as a hobby? Posted by: Skip at August 16, 2025 05:32 PM (+qU29) 3
I woulda watched the vids of the guy building the stuff, but I prefer the one with the hot looking Asian girl. The hot looking Asian girl vids are faked, though. There's no way she can have all that precut lumber and stuff just laying around in the jungle.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 16, 2025 05:34 PM (0eaVi) 4
Certainly lots of small restoration possible around here but haven't tackled any that can think of.
Posted by: Skip at August 16, 2025 05:34 PM (+qU29) 5
I was expecting to find Geraldo in that safe.
I've seen a bit of restoration of pinball machines by Rick Dale when American Restoration was on the Hit... everything but history channel. It seemed like there were miles of wiring to even the more simple ones. Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 16, 2025 05:39 PM (0eaVi) 6
Might be crazy but my favorite part of the painting is the very subtle lone star . ( Yes I know the sun is a star also you lovable smart asses) .
Very nice tankascribe. It would fit well in my current series of paintings I’m trying to create called my Model Home series. Someone would definitely like to hang in the new home tankascribe. ( only change I would make is it deserves to be 24x48 ) Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 05:42 PM (EYmYM) 7
There is a guy who had a restoration spin off show from Pawn Stars. Forget his name but if his restorations are real, he’s a master.
Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 05:44 PM (EYmYM) 8
Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 16, 2025 05:39 PM (0eaVi)
Is Rick Dale who I’m thinking of? Guy in Vegas? Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 05:44 PM (EYmYM) 9
Well I learned a burping space fact to drop on my kids at dinner tonight. Pretty good thread!
Posted by: HappyFun at August 16, 2025 05:45 PM (d2+05) 10
Have a question, Anna could answer it.
In military model can decals for something be gotten in scale and what you want not what you get? Opened up my cheap A-10 model and thought if a more expensive one could I make it into a 81st TFW aircraft? Posted by: Skip at August 16, 2025 05:45 PM (+qU29) 11
Is Rick Dale who I’m thinking of? Guy in Vegas?
Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 05:44 PM (EYmYM) That's him. I'm not sure if he's in business anymore, though. Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 16, 2025 05:48 PM (0eaVi) 12
The painting I’m in the middle of doing is of the Vegas Strip at night. I loved all the night photos that ace posts of Tokyo at night so I thought of doing the Vegas strip. Thought of doing Times Square but I’m over NYC right now.
Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 05:49 PM (EYmYM) 13
As I understand it from American Pickers , restoration is out and original worn out paint and patina is in. Though restoring the internal mechanics is still done of course.
Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 05:51 PM (EYmYM) 14
This is what the intertubes says about Rick Dale now.
Rick Dale hasn't just faded away, though; he is still being creative, and has launched a fresh business with his wife, Kelly Dale, who you may also remember from her time on the show, called "My Best Font Forward LLC", where they focus on custom laser-cut metal art, embroidery, and personalized gifts. Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 05:53 PM (EYmYM) 15
Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 05:53 PM (EYmYM)
Everything else seems blank. His FB page had a post last month. He just doesn't do restorations anymore. Some rumblings about shoddy work and lawsuits a few years ago. Maybe he just decided it wasn't worth it. Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 16, 2025 05:56 PM (0eaVi) 16
I’m going to wait and watch the building videos because I want not to rush through them. Pretty amazing. And the T-Rex wood work is also true art. I’m always scared we are going to eventually lose people who can do these stuff.
Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 05:58 PM (EYmYM) 17
Playing with my new Creality Falcon Pro 40e diode laser. It's a 2D cnc laser cutter. Unboxed it a week or so ago and am just gett___ around to configuring the software and making my first set project, some birch ply fins and centering rings for a rocket I'm building. The rocket is going to be flown in the local Huntsville rocket club's 'Geezer TARC' and is being designed to meet the 2026 America Rocketry Challenge ( rocketcontest.org ). All of us mentors to the highschool teams compete with each other by building and flying the design challenge....but no testing or preflights. First flight is the competition flight.
Posted by: BifBewalski - at August 16, 2025 06:00 PM (QcUc+) 18
If someone likes looking at art I recommend googling up van gogh museum 4k virtual tour and click from the all to video choice and enjoy this tour of the Van Gogh museum.
Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 06:01 PM (EYmYM) 19
That X-wing isn't really a model, but a toy that went with the line of Star Wars figures they sold for the original movie. Hasbro or something. I had one.
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at August 16, 2025 06:01 PM (jYRYu) 20
Just came home from an arts and crafts fair. One of the booths was of antique gas cans with jack-o'-lantern faces carved into them. Pretty neat but I imagine collectors of antique gas cans would break down in tears.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 16, 2025 06:01 PM (+8yWL) 21
17 The rocket is going to be flown in the local Huntsville rocket club's 'Geezer TARC' and is being designed to meet the 2026 America Rocketry Challenge ( rocketcontest.org ).
Posted by: BifBewalski - at August 16, 2025 06:00 PM *** Best wishes! Send a photo of the finished product and I'll include in future content. Posted by: TRex - photo before or after first lift off? at August 16, 2025 06:02 PM (IQ6Gq) 22
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 16, 2025 06:01 PM (+8yW
Hah that’s what I was thinking. Other than that anything else catch your eye ? Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 06:03 PM (EYmYM) Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 16, 2025 06:04 PM (kkTda) 24
If someone likes looking at art I recommend googling up van gogh museum 4k virtual tour and click from the all to video choice and enjoy this tour of the Van Gogh museum.
Posted by: polynikes ***************** What a great idea. I am definitely going to do this.... Posted by: The Grateful at August 16, 2025 06:07 PM (IQ6Gq) Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 06:07 PM (EYmYM) 26
What decides the winner?
Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 06:07 PM (EYmYM) The man with the biggest rocket wins. Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 16, 2025 06:08 PM (0eaVi) 27
That X-wing isn't really a model, but a toy that went with the line of Star Wars figures they sold for the original movie. Hasbro or something. I had one.
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis It sort of became a model when he took it apart, though? I had one, too. I never knew the noisemaker inside it for the "laser gun" was just a toy motor that didn't drive anything. I also had the Millennium Falcon that was in the "watch this one next" video. Most of my toys like that from the late 70s and early 80s wound up getting wrecked by leaky batteries. 1970s battery chemistry and 1970s plastics didn't get along well. Posted by: mikeski at August 16, 2025 06:10 PM (DgGvY) 28
18 If someone likes looking at art I recommend googling up van gogh museum 4k virtual tour and click from the all to video choice and enjoy this tour of the Van Gogh museum.
Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 06:01 PM *** I will admit I read this too quickly the first time and thought it said "Van Halen museum." Van Gogh makes more sense. Posted by: TRex - panama! at August 16, 2025 06:11 PM (IQ6Gq) 29
What decides the winner?
Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 06:07 PM (EYmYM) The man with the biggest rocket wins. Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 16, 2025 06:08 PM (0eaVi) It’s not how big the Rocket but how you Rocket . Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 06:12 PM (EYmYM) 30
Watched the sewing machine restoration video. Think I'll stick with mid 70's and later consumer electronics.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at August 16, 2025 06:12 PM (lUFok) 31
My project has been cleaning up basement plus recommissioning and decommissioning old computers.
I have certain expensive software that does not work on current computers (math and statistics) so I rebuilt/recomissioned three computers. One will become a dedicated media computer (win 8.1) to digitize vinyl albums from the basement stereo. I have a Windows 10 system that is now a dedicated picture and memorabilia unit. I am getting rid of old paper copies and digitally scanning photos from my mother's old photo albums to disperse family photos to my cousins, aunts, and uncles. The computers I built were easy to recommission--the older name brand ones were a pita (an HP had all sorts of useful hardware but an undocumented pita requiring reinstall of XP operating system. Then you have to reactivate it--believe it or not, the current activation number is still working as of now in the US but use the automated option to have them text an activation link rather than waiting for in person help. Windows since v2000, requires re-activation or will even refuse to activate if the license (OEM for example) does not allow hardware changes of a significant degree. Posted by: whig at August 16, 2025 06:12 PM (ctrM5) 32
Posted by: TRex - panama! at August 16, 2025 06:11 PM (IQ6Gq)
The Van Halen museum is closed. Everyone was thrown out. Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 06:13 PM (EYmYM) 33
20 Pretty neat but I imagine collectors of antique gas cans would break down in tears.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 16, 2025 06:01 PM *** I have very mixed emotions about repurposing old things. "Hey, let's take this great antique sewing table, cut it up and make it a coffee table!!" Ugh. Posted by: TRex - dignity with age at August 16, 2025 06:13 PM (IQ6Gq) 34
Happy 93-degree Saturday from Iowa where the corn is popping on the stalk.
My son still has his fire truck which is identical to the one up top except in very good condition. I’ve been cleaning and pricing items for my booth in the antique mall eventhough hardly anything is antique in there. It’s a fun hobby. Posted by: SnailRacer at August 16, 2025 06:15 PM (11mhd) 35
31 My project has been cleaning up basement plus recommissioning and decommissioning old computers.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2025 06:12 PM *** I think that qualifies as a project. Best wishes. Posted by: TRex - learning to code at August 16, 2025 06:17 PM (IQ6Gq) 36
I have very mixed emotions about repurposing old things. "Hey, let's take this great antique sewing table, cut it up and make it a coffee table!!" Ugh.
Posted by: TRex - dignity with age at August 16, 2025 06:13 PM (IQ6Gq) On the TV show Flea Market Flip ( Lara Spencer yummm) it seemed every other week someone would but an old Singer sewing stand for relatively cheap and repurpose it to flip. Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 06:18 PM (EYmYM) 37
What are you hobbying?
i occasionally push around the sources for cp/m-68k to make it run on other things. i've made it go on arm, cortex-m3, microvax 2000, and currently have it running in qemu riscv. not sure if this counts as restoration or osplay. Posted by: anachronda at August 16, 2025 06:19 PM (edU/H) 38
20 Just came home from an arts and crafts fair. One of the booths was of antique gas cans with jack-o'-lantern faces carved into them. Pretty neat but I imagine collectors of antique gas cans would break down in tears.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 16, 2025 06:01 PM (+8yWL) Like the people that cut up gorgeous antique quilts, woven coverlets, etc. to make a jacket. I couldn’t do it if you paid me. Posted by: SnailRacer at August 16, 2025 06:20 PM (11mhd) 39
I regret I do not have a single toy left from my childhood. The only thing that was saved was my snow sled that was given to me when I was 4.
Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 06:21 PM (EYmYM) 40
37 not sure if this counts as restoration or osplay.
Posted by: anachronda at August 16, 2025 06:19 PM *** I don't know what any of those words mean. Except "arm" - which I'm guessing means something different than "TRex has short arms." Posted by: TRex - dino dictionary at August 16, 2025 06:22 PM (IQ6Gq) 41
I'm coming to the dark realization that my primary hobby these days is lurking on the AoS comments site....
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at August 16, 2025 06:23 PM (QGaXH) Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2025 06:23 PM (viF8m) 43
38 Like the people that cut up gorgeous antique quilts, woven coverlets, etc. to make a jacket. I couldn’t do it if you paid me.
Posted by: SnailRacer at August 16, 2025 06:20 PM *** Agree. Straight to jail. Especially quilts. Posted by: TRex - fashion emergency at August 16, 2025 06:23 PM (IQ6Gq) 44
My recently passed away uncle would take antiques and make them new, I would shutter when I saw them.
But guess if it's yours do what you want. Posted by: Skip at August 16, 2025 06:23 PM (+qU29) 45
There's restorations of tobacco pipes. The closest I've ever come to that is on some of my pipes with vulcanite, hard rubber, stems, the long dark part that actually goes into your mouth. They tend to oxidize over the years, esp. from smoke and acids like that found in saliva, and from sunlight.
I've had two major successes on my oldest pipes: a Peterson bent apple shape, and a Savinelli billiard, both bought new at Tinder Box in the mall back in the '80s. Both stems had gone gray and tasted odd. First came an overnight soak in baking soda and water, with some fine-grit wet sanding to get rid of the top level of oxidation. The water turned dark. Then came an overnight soak in OxyClean and water, with again some sanding. Eventually they were a flat black. Some obsidian oil as a gloss coat, and the pipes look great again. I have one more that I'm working on, and it's more stubborn; the black is satin instead of gloss even after two sessions. You see why I prefer pipes with acrylic stems, essentially plastic. They don't oxidize. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 16, 2025 06:24 PM (omVj0) 46
Useful links for old computers
The Retro Web (has some user submitted drivers as well for BIOS, etc. Always virus check them though before trying to use them.) Same goes for other driver websites. https://tinyurl.com/2wp3mr3j Vogons dot org. Hardware discussion board focusing on old computers for retro gaming mostly. Internet Archive (old hardware manuals often found here) archive dot org. Softpedia dot com. Free downloads of software including drivers. Supposedly virus checked. ClamAV for windows (linux and mac too). Lightweight AntiVirus. Free, updated definitions, and open source (Cisco helps support the ClamAV folks). clamav dot net. Even if you are on linux, clamav is useful to check windows files and thumbdrives. There are a few linux viruses out there but you have to work to find them. Posted by: whig at August 16, 2025 06:25 PM (ctrM5) 47
I did finally bring my mom’s extensive elephant figurine collection to an antique shop to sell on consignment . So far I got $58 . They ain’t flying off the shelves.
Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 06:25 PM (EYmYM) 48
There are pipe aficionados who love to restore a pipe from top to bottom, i.e., restaining the wood bowl, waxing them, cleaning the interior back to bare wood, etc. I prefer to buy estate pipes which have had all that done.
If I spotted a really special old pipe at an antique store, one that needed such treatment, well . . . I'd probably buy it and send it to someone who does restorations. Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 16, 2025 06:26 PM (omVj0) 49
On the TV show Flea Market Flip ( Lara Spencer yummm) it seemed every other week someone would but an old Singer sewing stand for relatively cheap and repurpose it to flip.
Posted by: polynikes ========== Until close to the end, Singer used premium wood to make their sewing cabinets. Had a long open plant at Truman Arkansas where they made cabinets and other things. Closed in the 80's IIRC. Posted by: whig at August 16, 2025 06:27 PM (ctrM5) 50
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 16, 2025 06:24 PM (omVj0)
If you want to advance your book writing hobby, try AgentQuery for those vetted novels you've written. It's free. agentquery.com Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 16, 2025 06:28 PM (0eaVi) 51
The only thing that was saved was my snow sled that was given to me when I was 4.
Rosebud Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2025 06:23 PM (viF8m) Hah . Since I never watched the movie i never realized the connection until a friend did the same thing as you a few years ago and had him explain to me. Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 06:29 PM (EYmYM) 52
I did finally bring my mom’s extensive elephant figurine collection to an antique shop to sell on consignment . So far I got $58 . They ain’t flying off the shelves.
Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 06:25 PM (EYmYM) I only know of one flying elephant. Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 16, 2025 06:30 PM (0eaVi) 53
I only know of one flying elephant.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 16, 2025 06:30 PM (0eaVi) Actually she has one of those figurines I guess Disney licensed Lennox to make. Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 06:32 PM (EYmYM) 54
I think that qualifies as a project. Best wishes.
Posted by: TRex - learning to code ========== I learned the same crap that annoyed me 20-25 years about hardware and software (like Microsoft), still annoys me today. One thing though pertinent to a lot of hobbies. A lot of discussion boards, etc. have been steadily taken offline. If you can archive and save the information necessary for your hobby--hard drives are cheap, not having information at the right time can be expensive. Some have migrated to social media like Facebook, etc. but a lot of information from various discussion boards simply has vanished over the years. And so some discussion boards find themselves recreating the wheel after information from even just a few years ago has vanished from the web along with the people that knew it. Posted by: whig at August 16, 2025 06:32 PM (ctrM5) 55
Would think while many collect elephant figures there are not many in one place
Posted by: Skip at August 16, 2025 06:33 PM (+qU29) Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 16, 2025 06:33 PM (63Dwl) 57
This is the bestest thread ever. Restoration is a noble quest. Great job, T-Rex!
Posted by: Eromero at August 16, 2025 06:33 PM (LHPAg) 58
As a boy I collected the Hartland Western TV figures, either mounted or standing (the "Gunfighter" series), plastic figures of Roy Rogers and Dale Evans, Cheyenne Bodie, Bret Maverick, Bat Masterson, etc. My mother actually kept them, stored in boxes in a cabinet, and . . . when she passed away, I stupidly left them behind for the landlord to clear away. If I'd kept them, they would have been worth some money to resell. Or I could have repainted the best ones in matte and satin colors instead of gloss, and kept them on my shelves. Ah, the chances that slip by us.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 16, 2025 06:34 PM (omVj0) 59
What decides the winner? Posted by: polynikes We have to follow the same rukes the kids do. Basically the closest to a numerical zero wins. Target altitude, time of flight, size and weight of the rocket, and the egg has to survive. We also have to do a 2nd flight at a different altitude, and the two scores are summed. Lowest over all total score for both flights wins, bragging rights for the year. Rules of the 2026 American Rocketry Challenge: 1. Payload: Design a rocket that cradles one raw Grade A Large egg of 55 to 63 grams weight, carried in any orientation that must survive the flight uncracked 2. Altitude Goal: Reach an impressive 750 feet. 3. Flight Time: Safely return to Earth within 36 to 39 seconds. Scoring rules are here (remove carriage returns): https://rocketrychallenge.org /wp-content/uploads/ ARC-Rules-2026-FINAL.pdf Posted by: BifBewalski - at August 16, 2025 06:35 PM (QcUc+) 60
57 This is the bestest thread ever. Restoration is a noble quest. Great job, T-Rex!
Posted by: Eromero at August 16, 2025 06:33 PM *** Thank you, Sir. Very kind. Posted by: TRex - Mr. E is a gentleman at August 16, 2025 06:35 PM (IQ6Gq) 61
37 What are you hobbying?
i occasionally push around the sources for cp/m-68k to make it run on other things. i've made it go on arm, cortex-m3, microvax 2000, and currently have it running in qemu riscv. not sure if this counts as restoration or osplay. Posted by: anachronda ========== Interesting hobby I think. FWIW, the original Commodore 64 IP has been bought by fans with many of the original designers on the new company's board. They also hope to acquire Amiga IP eventually. I also think they are planning to create new hardware so that people can run the retro games and applications for C64. Posted by: whig at August 16, 2025 06:35 PM (ctrM5) 62
>>Hah . Since I never watched the movie i never realized the connection until a friend did the same thing as you a few years ago and had him explain to me.
You should watch it. It's obviously your destiny. I'm not saying you're going to die a delusional old man with your last words being about your childhood sled, but you probably will. Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2025 06:36 PM (viF8m) 63
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 16, 2025 06:34 PM (omVj0)
Take a look, Wolfus: https://tinyurl.com/pf32nhzm Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 16, 2025 06:36 PM (0eaVi) 64
54 a lot of information from various discussion boards simply has vanished over the years. And so some discussion boards find themselves recreating the wheel after information from even just a few years ago has vanished from the web along with the people that knew it.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2025 06:32 PM *** True, true. I wonder about digital family photos being lost on hard drives and cell phones. Posted by: TRex - punch card comeback at August 16, 2025 06:38 PM (IQ6Gq) 65
Wow. expensive hobby. All those tools and chemicals.
I don't mind the labor. It's a hobby. So, how much is that restored Tonka ladder truck worth? Posted by: no one of any consequence at August 16, 2025 06:38 PM (ZmEVT) 66
If you take a picture on your Pixel phone. It is forever safe in the Cloud.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at August 16, 2025 06:39 PM (ZmEVT) 67
Evenin’, All. I really don’t have any hobbies I the conventional sense. I enjoy reading, but does that really count as a hobby?
I see hobbies as more or less private pursuits, so I don’t count my acting or singing activities as hobbies, since those are usually somewhat public. Posted by: Bulg at August 16, 2025 06:40 PM (77rzZ) 68
Posted by: BifBewalski - at August 16, 2025 06:35 PM (QcUc+)
Sounds like a lot of math😀 It makes me feel good that you are mentoring kids to continue this ‘hobby’ that can turn into so much more. Like I commented above I have what I hope is an irrational fear we are going to lose a lot of these interests and thus the know how with future generations. Like something as simple as the art of leatherwork . Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 06:40 PM (EYmYM) 69
65 So, how much is that restored Tonka ladder truck worth?
Posted by: no one of any consequence at August 16, 2025 06:38 PM *** Hobbies fill the gap to what makes sense financially. Posted by: TRex - labor of love at August 16, 2025 06:42 PM (IQ6Gq) 70
1970s battery chemistry and 1970s plastics didn't get along well. Posted by: mikeski I've had problem with modern day Duracells leaking in my remote controls. Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 16, 2025 06:42 PM (63Dwl) 71
How much are Hummel figures worth? My friend's parents had a ton of them.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at August 16, 2025 06:43 PM (ZmEVT) 72
>>True, true. I wonder about digital family photos being lost on hard drives and cell phones.
I'm not a huge fan of most new technology because I spent too many years around it but cloud storage is not completely terrible. Bought a new computer a few weeks ago and thousands of my stored images downloaded to it flawlessly. If your photos are mostly digital it's worth the money. Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2025 06:43 PM (viF8m) 73
Posted by: BifBewalski - at August 16, 2025 06:35 PM (QcUc+)
According to American Pickers probably around $80. Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 06:44 PM (EYmYM) 74
Generally, I have restored quite a bit of items over the years from old furniture, firearms, and lamps, etc. requiring rewiring. Used to build bookshelves, built ins, etc. but simply cannot do it anymore.
Due to inflammatory arthritis though, I do it less and less because of declining grip strength etc. But a useful and non-toxic paint/varnish/(even some poly) removal agent from wood is Blue Bear Soygel. They also have a chelating version for removal of lead paint safely. Thick about like old honey, odorless, and it doesn't tend to hurt wood fibers like harsher removal agents do. Takes longer than the quick and nasty like MEK but you can use this indoors without ventilation. I would make sure for maximum effect that it can remain moist. Posted by: whig at August 16, 2025 06:45 PM (ctrM5) 75
I just know that when the cat pushed my Kindle Fire off the table and killed it I was really happy that I could download all my books from the cloud to my new Kindle Fire.
For free. Posted by: no one of any consequence at August 16, 2025 06:45 PM (ZmEVT) Posted by: naturalfake at August 16, 2025 06:46 PM (iJfKG) 77
TRex - thank you for the thread, it’s one of my favorites. What is your hobby?
Posted by: SnailRacer at August 16, 2025 06:46 PM (11mhd) 78
Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2025 06:43 PM (viF8m)
I was recently surprised how easy it was to transfer everything on my phone to a new phone . I avoided getting a new phone for years because of my antiquated perception of how it used to be. Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 06:46 PM (EYmYM) 79
Like I commented above I have what I hope is an irrational fear we are going to lose a lot of these interests and thus the know how with future generations. Like something as simple as the art of leatherwork .
Posted by: polynikes ********** It's a reasonable concern...look at how many skills have been lost to most over the past 50-100 years. No reason to think it won't continue with the focus being primarily on electronics. I was recently showing someone the counted cross stitch piece I was working on, and she lit up and responded "oh yes, my grandmother used to do that..." She was my age. Textile skills are generationally being lost... Posted by: The Grateful at August 16, 2025 06:47 PM (IQ6Gq) 80
OrangeEnt, I'll take a look at that AgentQuery site. Seems to me I've heard of it, but never checked it out.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 16, 2025 06:47 PM (omVj0) 81
Posted by: BifBewalski - at August 16, 2025 06:35 PM (QcUc+)
According to American Pickers probably around $80. Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 06:44 PM (EYmYM Sorry I was supposed to copy no one of any consequence Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 06:48 PM (EYmYM) 82
The point of a hobby is to have a ton of fun while doing it. After restoring that ladder truck, I would proudly display it in my game room.
I would need a really large game room. Posted by: no one of any consequence at August 16, 2025 06:50 PM (ZmEVT) Posted by: no one of any consequence at August 16, 2025 06:50 PM (ZmEVT) 84
LOL. Wouldn't have to be a blood relative. Toys for Tots comes to mind.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at August 16, 2025 06:51 PM (ZmEVT) 85
I have photos of me in a pedal car. I wish my parents would have save that.
Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 06:52 PM (EYmYM) 86
True, true. I wonder about digital family photos being lost on hard drives and cell phones.
Posted by: TRex ====== M-Disc CD-ROMs, DVDs, and Blu Rays have almost unlimited shelf life. That being said, I found that even some very old floppies were not corrupted (as in about 30 years old). Ditto for plain old CD and DVD disks if not scratched, left in the sun, etc. Old videos demagnetize over time like VHS, Digital 8mm, etc. So convert those to optical media now if you can. Supposedly thumb drives have a limited lifetime but dunno about that if not abused. SSDs allegedly may have the same issue as do magnetic media. Even optical supposedly has issues with dye deteriorating in the media. M-Disc though is designed to last for well over 1000 years. But for the longest term storage, a) disseminate copies, b) optical media, c) keep the originals somewhere safe and dark as far as photos. Posted by: whig at August 16, 2025 06:52 PM (ctrM5) 87
I get all the photos off of the cell phone periodically.
Now that you mention it, I should save all the photos on the computer to a flash drive. Posted by: no one of any consequence at August 16, 2025 06:54 PM (ZmEVT) 88
Supposedly thumb drives have a limited lifetime but dunno about that if not abused.
Posted by: whig at August 16, 2025 06:52 PM (ctrM5) I thought I had read a few years ago that you can only access it about a thousand times, then it doesn't work anymore. I used to scan pix to dvd and cd, but computers no longer come with those. Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 16, 2025 06:55 PM (0eaVi) 89
82 The point of a hobby is to have a ton of fun while doing it. After restoring that ladder truck, I would proudly display it in my game room.
I would need a really large game room. Posted by: no one of any consequence ======= They now have mini arcade units that you can build as the big arcade boxes are not needed with modern hardware. Micro Center online has it as a separate category to search rather than Amazon's messy (and getting worse) internal search engine. Posted by: whig at August 16, 2025 06:56 PM (ctrM5) 90
If only had many play thingsI had as a kid
Posted by: Skip at August 16, 2025 06:56 PM (+qU29) 91
A bit of a rant, kind-of-hobby related. Our new CIO is enraptured by that new buzzword that ensnares the gullible, "AI." It was suggested that we get some familiarity with it to see how we might use it at work.
My boss showed me a brief video he had made with AI from a still image of a young couple. In his video, they next dove into a ball pit and started playfully fighting--all made from the single still image. It was very impressive (and we both admitted, a little creepy and future fodder for lawyers) but it got me thinking. I'm working on a brief scene where a satellite orbits a planet while clouds move over the surface. We then pull back and the sun comes into frame. It's still rough (the clouds are a bit wonky). AI could probably do it perfectly, and in much less time. But then, what do I have? Where's the ME in it? What have I learned how to do? I could probably have AI do all my videos ("Take this character and make him go on adventures") but then I haven't really created anything. It's someone else's work that I just signed. It seems to me to be the difference between writing a book and reading a book. Both are pleasurable, but only one is unique to you. Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 16, 2025 06:56 PM (CHHv1) 92
Granted, the viewer wouldn't notice any of this. I guess I like the challenge of solving my own problems and learning about the process along the way.
Neither Martini Farmer nor I had to take pictures of the Moon. There are millions of them out there on the web. But we did it anyway. Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 16, 2025 06:56 PM (CHHv1) 93
I have boxes of photo albums that my mom kept. . It’s kind of sad but after I’m gone those photos won’t mean a thing to anyone . If I’m truthful a good deal of the photos in them don’t mean anything to me either. Friends or relatives of my parents I never met.
Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 06:56 PM (EYmYM) 94
77 TRex - thank you for the thread, it’s one of my favorites. What is your hobby?
Posted by: SnailRacer at August 16, 2025 06:46 PM *** I have interests upon interests. If I had to pick one, I'd say cars - especially motorsports. Most of my other proclivities find their way to racing in some form - history, photography, travel, collecting, etc. Posted by: TRex - eclectic dino at August 16, 2025 06:58 PM (IQ6Gq) 95
Good job tankascribe
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I thought I had read a few years ago that you can only access it about a thousand times, then it doesn't work anymore.
I used to scan pix to dvd and cd, but computers no longer come with those. Posted by: OrangeEnt ========== Portable usb run blu rays will read all of the above. I use a blu ray for archiving on 25 gb disks but some of the newest models handle 50 gb or even 100 gb disks. As far as thumb drives, I have exactly two that failed. One was washed in the washing machine (okay as it was a live Ubuntu install thumb drive), the other simply is unreadable for whatever reason. I use optical for archiving as you can buy dvd or even blu ray players for photo playing on the big screen if you wish. Posted by: whig at August 16, 2025 06:59 PM (ctrM5) 97
>>I was recently surprised how easy it was to transfer everything on my phone to a new phone . I avoided getting a new phone for years because of my antiquated perception of how it used to be.
It's become absurdly easy. I'm not an Apple fanboy but years ago I worked for a Bay area company that standardized on them and just got used to how easy it was to use. Storing everything important in the cloud has saved me a lot of headaches. Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2025 06:59 PM (viF8m) 98
Hobbies up to my eyebrows today. Car show in the morning, cruise on the bike in the afternoon. Musicians showing up later with beer, some jamming, and finish up drunk and deaf.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 16, 2025 07:00 PM (snZF9) 99
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 16, 2025 06:56 PM (CHHv1)
James Lileks has shown a few of those pictures to movies AI. I don't see how they work. Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 06:56 PM (EYmYM) Same. I'm going to eventually discard the photos of grandparent's friends. I don't know them, so why keep them. I'm one of those unfortunates who had kids late, so all the relatives I grew up with were long gone before my kids came. No sense in keeping any of those photos. Anyway, nice thread, T. Gotta go. Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 16, 2025 07:02 PM (0eaVi) 100
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 16, 2025 07:00 PM (snZF9
What you didn’t have time to use your lathe to make a guitar? Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 07:02 PM (EYmYM) 101
Re phones. For those using older (non USB -C) Apple phones, PNY makes a thumb drive called Duo Link with a regular USB 3.0 link on one side and an old style Apple connection on the other.
Useful for saving phone information or for transferring and backup of phone information. A bit pricier than other thumb drives but not bad. Posted by: whig at August 16, 2025 07:02 PM (ctrM5) 102
Have watched a few outer space videos this week.
Today Voyager will get more than 1 hour of light speeding November next year. Posted by: Skip at August 16, 2025 07:04 PM (+qU29) Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 07:05 PM (EYmYM) 104
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What you didn’t have time to use your lathe to make a guitar? Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 07:02 PM *** I have considered doing a guitar theme on the hobby thread. Playing, building, restoring, different kinds and designs, etc. Good idea? Posted by: TRex - six string boogie at August 16, 2025 07:05 PM (IQ6Gq) 105
Today Voyager will get more than 1 hour of light speeding November next year.
Posted by: Skip at August 16, 2025 07:04 PM (+qU29) Break that down for me again? Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 07:06 PM (EYmYM) 106
Posted by: TRex - six string boogie at August 16, 2025 07:05 PM (IQ6Gq
Beserker is your man for that. Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 07:07 PM (EYmYM) 107
I have considered doing a guitar theme on the hobby thread. Playing, building, restoring, different kinds and designs, etc. Good idea?
Posted by: TRex - six string boogie at August 16, 2025 07:05 PM (IQ6Gq) Would be pretty cool actually. Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 16, 2025 07:07 PM (snZF9) 108
November 2026 Voyager will be so far away it will take 24 hours for a message at light speed to reach it, then 24 hours to return the message
Posted by: Skip at August 16, 2025 07:08 PM (+qU29) 109
107 Would be pretty cool actually.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 16, 2025 07:07 PM *** The Hobby Thread is all about being pretty cool. Posted by: TRex - wearing my sunglasses at night at August 16, 2025 07:08 PM (IQ6Gq) 110
I have considered doing a guitar theme on the hobby thread. Playing, building, restoring, different kinds and designs, etc. Good idea?
Posted by: TRex - six string boogie at August 16, 2025 07:05 PM (IQ6Gq) Maybe a musical instrument theme , playing and building. Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 07:08 PM (EYmYM) 111
I have interests upon interests. If I had to pick one, I'd say cars - especially motorsports. Most of my other proclivities find their way to racing in some form - history, photography, travel, collecting, etc.
Posted by: TRex - eclectic dino at August 16, 2025 06:58 PM (IQ6Gq Cool. I keep track of Verstappen, the Dutch car racer. In June we were going to stop at the Isle of Man on the day right after the TT. Not sure if you’re into that as it’s motorcycle racing. I was disappointed when we could not stop there due to rough seas. Posted by: SnailRacer at August 16, 2025 07:09 PM (11mhd) 112
Cool. I keep track of Verstappen, the Dutch car racer. In June we were going to stop at the Isle of Man on the day right after the TT. Not sure if you’re into that as it’s motorcycle racing. I was disappointed when we could not stop there due to rough seas.
Posted by: SnailRacer ********** If it has wheels with or without a motor, he follows it. Very closely. Posted by: The Grateful at August 16, 2025 07:12 PM (IQ6Gq) 113
November 2026 Voyager will be so far away it will take 24 hours for a message at light speed to reach it, then 24 hours to return the message
Posted by: Skip at August 16, 2025 07:08 PM (+qU29) 👍 . That is neat to me because it shows just how small the solar system is. It’s measured in light hours. Pluto is about 5 .4 light hours away. Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 07:13 PM (EYmYM) 114
Musical instruments are certainly a hobby, unless your actually making a living at it
Posted by: Skip at August 16, 2025 07:13 PM (+qU29) 115
>>Cool. I keep track of Verstappen, the Dutch car racer. In June we were going to stop at the Isle of Man on the day right after the TT. Not sure if you’re into that as it’s motorcycle racing. I was disappointed when we could not stop there due to rough seas.
I would love to see the TT races. That is one crazy event. Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2025 07:15 PM (viF8m) 116
I regret I do not have a single toy left from my childhood. The only thing that was saved was my snow sled that was given to me when I was 4.
Posted by: polynike Sigh. Posted by: Charles Foster Kane at August 16, 2025 07:16 PM (D0HYP) 117
Not models, however I restore sacred art for a historic site and for my church. Nothing expense, just items that need work and can be sold to keep the historic site afloat or can be used in church.
Loved the stained glass restore. One of our church windows sustained damage and I had to hunt down a restoration company to fix it, it's not inexpensive and this is a 2" by 3" break. Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at August 16, 2025 07:17 PM (2NHgQ) 118
115 I would love to see the TT races. That is one crazy event.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2025 07:15 PM *** Same. Those guys are nuts. Must be difficult to ride with such big...attachments. Posted by: TRex - dinos don't fit in sidecars at August 16, 2025 07:17 PM (IQ6Gq) 119
get a drone
Posted by: TheCatAttackedMyFoot at August 16, 2025 07:18 PM (jrgJz) 120
117 Not models, however I restore sacred art for a historic site and for my church.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at August 16, 2025 07:17 PM *** I wanted to include art restoration on this thread, but any videos I found were pretentious and overwrought. Posted by: TRex - silent art is sometimes best at August 16, 2025 07:19 PM (IQ6Gq) Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2025 07:20 PM (viF8m) 122
Musical instruments are certainly a hobby, unless your actually making a living at it
Posted by: Skip at August 16, 2025 07:13 PM (+qU29) True, I spent a lifetime weaving in and out of it. Professional, hobby, professional, hobby, etc etc. I never know whats on the horizon. Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 16, 2025 07:22 PM (snZF9) 123
Only toy I have from my childhood is one that was only played with when visiting family friends, it was given to me decades afterwards. A Erector Set.
Posted by: Skip at August 16, 2025 07:23 PM (+qU29) 124
If it has wheels with or without a motor, he follows it. Very closely.
No sails? Posted by: JackStraw ********* While he does enjoy the ride, he doesn't have the same passion for that as he does cars/motorcycles/bikes. Some may even call it an addiction, lol Posted by: The Grateful at August 16, 2025 07:24 PM (IQ6Gq) 125
It is cool they still have the Soap Box Derby and it’s worldwide now.
Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 07:25 PM (EYmYM) 126
121 >>If it has wheels with or without a motor, he follows it. Very closely.
No sails? Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2025 07:20 PM *** Not really. I've tried watching Americas Cup, but never understand all the positioning and tacking. Too sophisticated for my small brain. I'm basically a stunted 8 year old boy. I need noise and something simple I can follow and know who is winning. Like lawnmower racing. Posted by: TRex - friend of Christopher Cross at August 16, 2025 07:26 PM (IQ6Gq) 127
Food thread is on Sunday, no?
I’ve chicken breasts to cook tomorrow. My standby, chicken & rice is a no-go, installed myself at 10,060’ to get out of the heat. But, Brown Rice is not going to work, and I’m not too sure about white. Thinking something with elbow macaroni and wait for it, Velveeta and Tillamook cheddar? Orr maybe something with taters (naturally). Could make something with some heat - chipotle with adobo sauce … Posted by: Common Tater at August 16, 2025 07:27 PM (p+X/W) 128
Time to say good night and thank you before the next act takes the Ace of Spades stage. Thanks for being here. See y'all in Club ONT later. I'll go see if the Twizzlers and Mountain Dew has been re-stocked.
Posted by: TRex -hobbying dino at August 16, 2025 07:28 PM (IQ6Gq) 129
Hah that’s what I was thinking. Other than that anything else catch your eye ?
_______'______________ Lots of 3D printed stuff. Cafeteria trays repurposed as photo frame. Only one scented candle vendor. We bought a 'Monkey farts' candle. And a painted wood thing from the mentally handicapped booth. Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 16, 2025 07:29 PM (+8yWL) 130
>>True, I spent a lifetime weaving in and out of it. Professional, hobby, professional, hobby, etc etc. I never know whats on the horizon.
One of my mom's best friends was the wife of a fairly well known guitarist who was originally from NJ. He was an awesome blues guitarist, used to sit in with Muddy Waters and others. But he went into rock to pay the bills not the least of which was his obsession with vintage Ferraris. He eventually opened a shop and did that professionally as well. I got to be his pit crew when he took one of his cars to Lime Rock for vintage car races. Which meant I got to help him load and unload the car from the trailer. That's about all I was good for. The vintage car races at Lime Rock are a really fun time. Beautiful track with gorgeous machines. Good times. Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2025 07:29 PM (viF8m) 131
Posted by: TRex - friend of Christopher Cross at August 16, 2025 07:26 PM (IQ6Gq)
I don’t sail but I came across the sail boat racing circuit on TV and it was fantastic because of the TV graphics where the camera angle is fine above they put lines on the courses and highlights and positioning times,etc where it’s very easy to watch and very enjoyable. The one I watched was in the NY harbor . Posted by: polynikes at August 16, 2025 07:31 PM (EYmYM) 132
130 The vintage car races at Lime Rock are a really fun time. Beautiful track with gorgeous machines. Good times.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2025 07:29 PM *** Love Lime Rock. Been there many times. Great memories. Posted by: TRex - CT in the fall is lovely at August 16, 2025 07:32 PM (IQ6Gq) 133
Acoustic geetars usually need adjustment of the truss rod seasonally, or due to changes in humidity.
String height, relief, it’s not too complicated but there is a learning curve. Way better to learn to do it yerself, saves a little coin and time versus taking it in to a shop. I hate high humidity. Makes the guitar sound dull and lifeless, no sustain or sparkle, like it’s stuffed with wet socks Posted by: Common Tater at August 16, 2025 07:32 PM (p+X/W) 134
>>Not really. I've tried watching Americas Cup, but never understand all the positioning and tacking. Too sophisticated for my small brain. I'm basically a stunted 8 year old boy. I need noise and something simple I can follow and know who is winning. Like lawnmower racing.
Do I sound sophisticated to you? I'm a moron. Sailboat racing, particularly big boat racing, is a rush. But it's also like watching golf on TV if you've never done it, boring. I promise if you ever do it you will find a different adrenaline gland you didn't know you had. Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2025 07:33 PM (viF8m) 135
I had an X-wing like the one above. It met an untimely demise one Fourth of July when we packed it full of fireworks. Must've been the one flown by Perkins.
Posted by: PabloD at August 16, 2025 07:34 PM (oK+P4) 136
I own die cast Eagles from Space 1999 I paid $300 for.
Xwing nerds may point and laugh now. Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 16, 2025 07:39 PM (+8yWL) 137
Spent the afternoon on my hobby, which is doing the various tasks that will make the new vessel work for me.
I installed new cockpit cushions, a project that involved drilling holes for the screw-in fasteners. The work was a success as no hole had to be drilled more than once. (Shut up.) I'll finish installing fire extinguishers when I get longer screws next week. I have an appointment with professionals for the installation of a new salt water impeller on the diesel engine next Friday. After that, she should be ready to go. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 16, 2025 07:40 PM (/HI9S) 138
Drinking Coffee and taking a nap, that counts as a hobby doesn’t it?
Posted by: Common Tater at August 16, 2025 07:42 PM (p+X/W) 139
Naps are definitely a hobby
Posted by: Skip at August 16, 2025 07:47 PM (+qU29) 140
I have 6 old Tonka vehicles. Loader, Bulldozer, Road Grader, Dump Truck, Track Hoe and the clamshell excavator. Two were mine as a kid. Wish I had the fire truck. That was one of my favorites. I seem to remember it having a hose system on it though.
Posted by: Reforger at August 16, 2025 07:52 PM (pxUkb) 141
I do have an interesting dulcimer on the way but don't expect it till September. I do have a McSpadden kit built in the 70s.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 16, 2025 07:57 PM (kUxzU) 142
ZERO mechanical aptitude here, and not to brag, but I replaced the batteries in my old Maglite. By myself.
Posted by: VirginiaSmoker at August 17, 2025 02:42 AM (YC7Ue) 143
The 30-day house-building is fantastic!
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