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Wednesday Morning Rant

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Baffling

Based on reports yesterday, it looks like this chapter in the Texas "flee-bagger" saga is coming to an end. The Senate passed the gerrymander, the House session is going to expire, and Abbott will start a new one. And then another. And then another for as long as it takes and so on if needed. The Democrats fleeing will sock away whatever lucre they got and eventually, the gerrymander will probably pass. Maybe there will be an expulsion or arrest or prosecution, but I wouldn't bet on it.

But I think the most interesting side show happened last week. Abbott offered his assurances that the gerrymander will be completed, and added an escalation that proved popular:

You know, what I'm thinking now, is if they don't start showing up, I may start expanding it. We may make it six or seven or eight new seats we're going to be adding to the Republican side.
(transcription mine, please forgive any errors)

I am not sure, but I may be the only person on the right who saw this who didn't like it. This threat is either empty or serious, but it strikes me as troubling either way. If it's empty, it doesn't inspire confidence because empty threats carry no weight. If the magic number doesn't grow, it's shown as bluster. It will have no effect other than increasing the smirks of the Texas Democrats who, despite the fact that they will probably lose this battle, will also surely try to use it for their benefit. As a campaign ad about how nasty those Republicans will be next time to raise more money, or an opportunity to insult Abbott, or both, they will find a use for it.

But it's much more troubling if the threat is shown to be serious. If the threat is real and achievable, then it invites a question that needs to be answered: "if you could get eight, why did you target five? Why did you leave three more reps on the table instead of going for it?" If the threat is serious, then it means that the Texas GOP could have done much more than it did and made the margins even wider, if it could have been bothered to do so.

There is a reason why the GOP is so often viewed as weak, spineless and stupid and this is an example of it. If the Texas GOP could have gone +8 and settled for +5, they need a very good explanation for why they chose to settle on five. And there well could be such an explanation (for example, to get the Dems to privately capitulate and increase the odds of overall success at the smaller scale), not that it has been offered. Instead, Abbott just cracked wise about running up the score without pausing to consider that somebody might wonder just why they chose not to run up the score when they had the chance.

That, or there is no way they can possibly get eight and it's just a red meat soundbite for his side, and he threw it out with the full knowledge that there's no there there - in which case, the Democrats know it, too. Abbott's threat to run up the seat count is baffling because there is no upside that I can see. He potentially gets cornered for making empty threats, or he exposes the Texas GOP as unwilling to be the bloodthirsty bulldogs they pretend to be, who instead incompletely capitalize on their opportunities to win and win big.

Though I am quite confident - and pleased - that the Texas gerrymander is probably going to pass, I admit to being more than a bit puzzled as to why anyone thinks that boasting about it being a halfway measure is a good idea.

Posted by: Joe Mannix at 11:00 AM




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1 Meow

Posted by: Lurking Cheshirecat at August 13, 2025 11:06 AM (w3u3d)

2 Morgen!

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at August 13, 2025 11:06 AM (/HDaX)

3 Cheetah!

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at August 13, 2025 11:06 AM (JfTEZ)

4 Hot ziggity. One for the Cat. I'll nood the others

Posted by: Lurking Cheshirecat at August 13, 2025 11:06 AM (w3u3d)

5 Hi Detective Mannix.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at August 13, 2025 11:07 AM (2J/Lj)

6
ESPONJA!!!11!!!1

Posted by: AltonJackson at August 13, 2025 11:07 AM (tljrc)

7 "This threat is either empty or serious"

Hesitant apologetic threats are the worst.

Posted by: Static In gp's Attic at August 13, 2025 11:07 AM (iBAge)

8 Kathy Griffin has revealed her third face-lift.

Posted by: AoSHQ Celebrity News Bureau and Rumour Centre at August 13, 2025 11:08 AM (0sNs1)

9 You know, what I'm thinking now, is if they don't start showing up, I may start expanding it. We may make it six or seven or eight new seats we're going to be adding to the Republican side.

Outside of Trump, the GOP has the worst negotiators. Trump would have started off with a +12 seat gerrymander and negotiate down from there.

Not admit to the world that we left money on the table.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at August 13, 2025 11:08 AM (BvPIe)

10 Nood duties done

Posted by: Lurking Cheshirecat at August 13, 2025 11:08 AM (w3u3d)

11 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at August 13, 2025 11:08 AM (PpBto)

12 Geronimo

Posted by: 80's music fan at August 13, 2025 11:08 AM (YlWIZ)

13 ESPONJA!!!11!!!1
Posted by: AltonJackson at August 13, 2025 11:07 AM (tljrc)



*fistbump*

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at August 13, 2025 11:08 AM (PpBto)

14 I am not sure, but I may be the only person on the right who saw this who didn't like it. This threat is either empty or serious, but it strikes me as troubling either way. If it's empty, it doesn't inspire confidence because empty threats carry no weight. If the magic number doesn't grow, it's shown as bluster.

I dislike it as well, but for a different reason. This says that the apportionment of seats is utterly corrupt, and subject only to what the governor or whomever thinks he can get away with. Obviously this applies to both sides. It's really saying we MUST find a better, more neutral, way to draw congressional districts.
No, I don't know what that would be, but the whole system needs to be rethought.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 13, 2025 11:08 AM (Riz8t)

15 What gets me is the Blue state whining about the redistricting in light of their current ridiculously unbalanced districting .

They all have the mentality of a spoiled 10 year old.

Posted by: polynikes at August 13, 2025 11:09 AM (VofaG)

16 Texas Gerrymander was one of SRV's little-known early works.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 13, 2025 11:09 AM (dDmld)

17 9 You know, what I'm thinking now, is if they don't start showing up, I may start expanding it. We may make it six or seven or eight new seats we're going to be adding to the Republican side.

Outside of Trump, the GOP has the worst negotiators. Trump would have started off with a +12 seat gerrymander and negotiate down from there.

Not admit to the world that we left money on the table.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at August 13, 2025 11:08 AM (BvPIe)

===

IL should be the model for all GOP led states.

I love how the leftist drones go on about how the CA gerrymander is fine because an independent commission decided on it. Appeal to authority at its finest.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:09 AM (GBKbO)

18 Abbott did say that, similar anyway, and the overwhelming response was "DO IT!!!!"

Yes, he should do it. And yes, he should've went for the full amount the first run.

DESTROY your enemy. Leave. No. Doubt.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at August 13, 2025 11:09 AM (PpBto)

19 "if you could get eight, why did you target five? Why did you leave three more reps on the table instead of going for it?"

Because it might increase the chance of a court overturning the gerrymander?

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at August 13, 2025 11:09 AM (/HDaX)

20 Mornin’, All. Happy Wednesday.

Posted by: Bulg at August 13, 2025 11:09 AM (77rzZ)

21 Abbott seems to say a lot of things "for effect" only.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 13, 2025 11:09 AM (RIvkX)

22 Kathy Griffin has revealed her third face-lift.

I don't know what is more gross and insulting, these repeated face lifts, or some dude going full drag queen.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at August 13, 2025 11:09 AM (BvPIe)

23 When you're accustomed to getting nothing, a half measure looks pretty good.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 13, 2025 11:10 AM (7lfL4)

24 They all have the mentality of a spoiled 10 year old.
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So, like Insane Trust Fund Babies? See Pritzker's for the win.

Posted by: pudinhead at August 13, 2025 11:10 AM (W3T6M)

25 And don't take yourself so serious

Posted by: 80's music fan at August 13, 2025 11:10 AM (YlWIZ)

26 I don't know what is more gross and insulting, these repeated face lifts, or some dude going full drag queen.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at August 13, 2025 11:09 AM (BvPIe)



This is about me, isn't it.......

Posted by: Carrot Top at August 13, 2025 11:10 AM (PpBto)

27 "if you could get eight, why did you target five? Why did you leave three more reps on the table instead of going for it?"

Because it might increase the chance of a court overturning the gerrymander?


That's right, so once again, we've given judges too much say, when they've demonstrated in spades that they are as political as anyone in the DNC front office.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 13, 2025 11:11 AM (Riz8t)

28 I don't care what Abbot said as long as the gerrymander happens. Dems say incredible, stupid things every day and no one takes it to heart. If Jazzmine's seat can be eliminated, it will piss of millions of jerks. That's important. She will have to find someplace else to carpetbag.

Posted by: And Her Eyelashes at August 13, 2025 11:11 AM (G5+As)

29 14 I dislike it as well, but for a different reason. This says that the apportionment of seats is utterly corrupt, and subject only to what the governor or whomever thinks he can get away with. Obviously this applies to both sides. It's really saying we MUST find a better, more neutral, way to draw congressional districts.
No, I don't know what that would be, but the whole system needs to be rethought.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 13, 2025 11:08 AM (Riz8t)

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Gerrymandering is as American as apple pie and the spoils of political warfare.

There is no other solution that does anything but give power over this particular political decision to people who did not win elections legitimately.

Essentially, if every state gerrymandered to the hilt, it would even out over time and across the nation. However, if only one side gerrymander's to the hilt, it's just unilateral disarmament and stupid.

If you want Democrats to stop, Republicans have to start first.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:11 AM (GBKbO)

30 Kathy Griffin has revealed her third face-lift.
Posted by: AoSHQ Celebrity News Bureau and Rumour Centre at August 13, 2025 11:08 AM (0sNs1)



Give it up, hon. There's no fixing that thing.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at August 13, 2025 11:11 AM (PpBto)

31 I'm getting Harassment Training for Supervisors on Friday. I thought it was time to sharpen my skills.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 13, 2025 11:11 AM (dDmld)

32 Use tactics your people enjoy.

Posted by: ... at August 13, 2025 11:11 AM (yh2Fr)

33 "This threat is either empty or serious, but it strikes me as troubling either way. If it's empty, it doesn't inspire confidence because empty threats carry no weight. If the magic number doesn't grow, it's shown as bluster. It will have no effect other than increasing the smirks of the Texas Democrats who, despite the fact that they will probably lose this battle, will also surely try to use it for their benefit."

This is kind of my point. Gerrymandering is wrong. It smacks of... pointing it out as wrong and then saying how you are going to use that criminal act as blackmail.

I agree with your point though, abbott's statement hit me wrong too.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2025 11:12 AM (bss/y)

34 If Louisville could be split up, we might be able to get their last seat in KY.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 13, 2025 11:12 AM (XvL8K)

35 The new seats are not worth it if they put existing seats on the knife's edge.

Posted by: Oglebay at August 13, 2025 11:12 AM (2ap+5)

36 Kathy Griffin has revealed her third face-lift.
________________________
"Rookie numbers" - Nancy Pelosi

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 13, 2025 11:12 AM (7lfL4)

37 I'm at a loss to understand why Hot Wheels didn't maximize the GOP seats from the get. Why settle for 4 or 5 when you can get 7 or 8? [Shakes head]

Unless, of course, the 7 or 8 is a bluff, and he doesn't think he can create that many solidly GOP seats. You don't want to create +3 or +4 seats. You want to create +10 seats.

But otherwise, go for the fucking jugular like a starving lion pride would on a lame wildebeest. We're well past the point of faggot half-measures.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 13, 2025 11:12 AM (iFTx/)

38 22 Kathy Griffin has revealed her third face-lift.

I don't know what is more gross and insulting, these repeated face lifts, or some dude going full drag queen.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at August 13, 2025 11:09 AM (BvPIe)

John Walker "Brianna Wu" Flynt has had so much of his jaw removed that he now looks like a Grey Alien in a wig.

Posted by: XTC at August 13, 2025 11:12 AM (UnA8+)

39 ok, so what's the question ??

Posted by: runner at August 13, 2025 11:12 AM (g47mK)

40 It's really saying we MUST find a better, more neutral, way to draw congressional districts.

You know when you say "we" you really mean the Stupid Party, because the Evil Party wants "we" to retreat and show appropriate deference and subservience to the Evil Party.

There is absolutely no room for the Evil Party to ever not work towards any political advantage they can beg, borrow or steal.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at August 13, 2025 11:12 AM (BvPIe)

41 I don’t see it as an empty threat. I see it as a large bet that makes the Left have to think about their next move. Fold or call. Your move jackweed.

Posted by: polynikes at August 13, 2025 11:13 AM (VofaG)

42 No, I don't know what that would be, but the whole system needs to be rethought.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 13, 2025 11:08 AM (Riz8t)

Circles. Just a whole lot of circles. Sure, there will be areas where the circles touch and little bits that aren't inside any circle. So what? If you aren't living in a circle, you don't get to vote. Make sure the deepest blue areas are outside of any circle.

Problem solved! Possibly more than one problem!

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at August 13, 2025 11:14 AM (2J/Lj)

43 There is no bounds to the fuckery of legislators. They have all the hubris of executives and herd immunity. Another example: About eight years back my Congressman was forced to resign his seat when Nancy Pelosi was Speaker. Why? Insider trading.

Turn all the screws until they scream, then keep going.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at August 13, 2025 11:14 AM (pIfcn)

44 Carrot Top and Danny Bonaduce have a lot in common.

Posted by: pudinhead at August 13, 2025 11:14 AM (W3T6M)

45 If Texas went for +8, Massachusetts would just gerrymander more Republicans out of their seats.




Wait ...

Posted by: toby928 at August 13, 2025 11:14 AM (jc0TO)

46 MONKEY!

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at August 13, 2025 11:15 AM (aPBRN)

47 It's really saying we MUST find a better, more neutral, way to draw congressional districts.

You know when you say "we" you really mean the Stupid Party, because the Evil Party wants "we" to retreat and show appropriate deference and subservience to the Evil Party.


Thanks for telling me what I really mean. I thought I knew, but you've set me straight.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 13, 2025 11:15 AM (Riz8t)

48 35 The new seats are not worth it if they put existing seats on the knife's edge.
Posted by: Oglebay at August 13, 2025 11:12 AM (2ap+5)

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Probably won't.

That only really happens when you go way too far, like if CA went further (cheating is probably the only reason it's as bad as it is right now), or if IL tried to get a couple more seats for Democrats.

Leaving 3 Democrats in TX would create too easy to lose seats. Leaving 7 probably wouldn't have that problem. Leaving 5 probably wouldn't either.

Depends on the specifics of the divisions, of course, to keep the seats having roughly equal populations.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:15 AM (GBKbO)

49 Stop calling gerrymandering! It is re-districting.

Posted by: zogger at August 13, 2025 11:15 AM (HGKOZ)

50 I believe the claim about going to 8 is a big bluff, which I don't like, for the same reasons you don't. Abbott's been doing that a lot lately - note that the claims about "arresting" runaway legislators, or vacating their office, were both big bluffs that Abbott in fact had no way of doing.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2025 11:15 AM (uWKK8)

51 When people realize Democrats are godless commies, anti- American, and want to put you up against the wall and neutralize you, then MAYBE Republicans will grow a spine.

And, I cannot take Fox Business in large doses. Too many stupid commercials and too much Newt Gingrich. Good grief.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 13, 2025 11:15 AM (ufFY8)

52 Kathy Griffin has revealed her third face-lift.

She can't outlift her ugly.

Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at August 13, 2025 11:16 AM (kTd/k)

53 I swear morons just can’t accept victory without bashing the process or worrying about events that haven’t happened but could.

This is similar to tariffs imo.

Posted by: polynikes at August 13, 2025 11:16 AM (VofaG)

54 "Though I am quite confident - and pleased - that the Texas gerrymander is probably going to pass, I admit to being more than a bit puzzled as to why anyone thinks that boasting about it being a halfway measure is a good idea."

This isn't a negotiation. TX has the majority of seats and an R governor. As the Dems are a minority, they have to sit there and take it. In CA or NY or IL, there was no negotiation, just action. TX should leave a couple of seats in reserve, just for the optics of showing that they are merciful. If the Dems want to escalate, TX has room to press them even further - as they should.

In CT, the state legislature has a bipartisan commission of 4 Dems and 4 Reps that negotiate how state districts are apportioned. I'd go for that with regards to congressional districts are chosen as a compromise. 'Nonpartisan' commissions are complete BS. CT has 'unaffiliated' voters or local reps, and that gets too easily games, so I'm not for that either.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 13, 2025 11:16 AM (vA2g3)

55 Abbott's been doing that a lot lately - note that the claims about "arresting" runaway legislators, or vacating their office, were both big bluffs that Abbott in fact had no way of doing.

And yet they're coming back.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 13, 2025 11:16 AM (Riz8t)

56 The new seats are not worth it if they put existing seats on the knife's edge.

When you say "knife's edge" you really are whispering sweet love messages to Political Consultants everywhere.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at August 13, 2025 11:16 AM (BvPIe)

57 9 You know, what I'm thinking now, is if they don't start showing up, I may start expanding it. We may make it six or seven or eight new seats we're going to be adding to the Republican side.

Outside of Trump, the GOP has the worst negotiators. Trump would have started off with a +12 seat gerrymander and negotiate down from there.

Not admit to the world that we left money on the table.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure
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The problem with gerrymandering is eventually you hit the floor where you spread your majority so thin that in a wave election, you lose those marginal seats which are a lot harder to win back than keep in the first place.

Dems did that after the 90 Census which bit them in the ass in 1994.

Posted by: whig at August 13, 2025 11:16 AM (ctrM5)

58 I watched Thunderdolts last night. This was the big relaunch of the entire Marvel "Avengers" series? You can't be serious.

It was like Marvel asked AI for a movie "about characters most people don't even know, let alone care about; make it really generic and lame; don't include any compelling villain; give it a heavy dose of woke girlbossy tropes; and have the superheroes mope and whine about their feelings a lot."

But this was retarded AI and it spit out something even lamer than that. Was there a villain at all, besides maybe depression? No, not "Depression" as the name of a super-villain (which could be cool), but just ordinary old "depression" as a mental state.

And let's stop the movie in its tracks in the middle of the climax for a cringey father-daughter woe-is-me mope-fest that felt like it took 10 minutes.

The film deservedly lost Disney $75 million. Please please please, for the love of Christ, no more Marvel movies!

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 13, 2025 11:17 AM (iFTx/)

59 Cant.. take... the... W... must...bitch...and ... moan.

Posted by: Slow news day at August 13, 2025 11:17 AM (fPaY0)

60 And yet they're coming back.

Translation: They milked all of the money out of this stunt that they could.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at August 13, 2025 11:17 AM (BvPIe)

61 TX should leave a couple of seats in reserve, just for the optics of showing that they are merciful.

I hope you're wearing your fireproof underwear.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 13, 2025 11:17 AM (Riz8t)

62 57 The problem with gerrymandering is eventually you hit the floor where you spread your majority so thin that in a wave election, you lose those marginal seats which are a lot harder to win back than keep in the first place.

Dems did that after the 90 Census which bit them in the ass in 1994.
Posted by: whig at August 13, 2025 11:16 AM (ctrM5)

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And yet, we haven't seen a real wave election since 2010, after which Democrat gerrymanders have just gotten worse.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:17 AM (GBKbO)

63 Dems in Ohio have been pushing for a nonpartisan commission to draw district lines ever since they became irrelevant. The argument that a 60-40 electorate means the minority should get 40% of the seats is delusional if one believes in democracy. I don't believe in democracy and I still think it's delusional.

Posted by: Oglebay at August 13, 2025 11:18 AM (2ap+5)

64 Regardless of the partisan consequences, districts should be drawn by algorithms based only on population, compactness, and geographic boundaries.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 13, 2025 11:18 AM (7lfL4)

65 53 I swear morons just can’t accept victory without bashing the process or worrying about events that haven’t happened but could.

This is similar to tariffs imo.
Posted by: polynikes at August 13, 2025 11:16 AM (VofaG)

Hmmm. Probably a valid critique. It, I think, is a result on not being a 'Ends justifies the means' kind of guy.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2025 11:18 AM (bss/y)

66 Connecticut's congressional delegation consists of five representatives, all of whom are members of the Democratic Party. The representatives and their respective districts are as follows:

The 1st District is represented by John B. Larson, who has served since January 3, 1999, and resides in East Hartford.
The 2nd District is represented by Joe Courtney, who has served since January 3, 2007, and resides in Vernon.
The 3rd District is represented by Rosa DeLauro, who has served since January 3, 1991, and resides in New Haven.
The 4th District is represented by Jim Himes, who has served since January 3, 2009, and resides in Cos Cob.
The 5th District is represented by Jahana Hayes, who has served since January 3, 2019, and resides in Wolcott

You may now continue.

Posted by: @SOEarpiece at August 13, 2025 11:19 AM (jc0TO)

67 55 Abbott's been doing that a lot lately - note that the claims about "arresting" runaway legislators, or vacating their office, were both big bluffs that Abbott in fact had no way of doing.

And yet they're coming back.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 13, 2025 11:16 AM (Riz8t)

They came back because they were bluffing too - they never really meant to stay gone, they just wanted to make a big political show of it. And they blocked this session, but they'll allow the next.

Watching politics is always like watching a sports game where everyone on all sides cheats constantly and the referees are crooked.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2025 11:19 AM (uWKK8)

68 64 Regardless of the partisan consequences, districts should be drawn by algorithms based only on population, compactness, and geographic boundaries.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 13, 2025 11:18 AM (7lfL4)

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I think political districting is a reflection of the political will of the people through their elected representatives, and any other solution robs the people of their voice in the process.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:19 AM (GBKbO)

69 John Walker "Brianna Wu" Flynt has had so much of his jaw removed that he now looks like a Grey Alien in a wig.
Posted by: XTC at August 13, 2025 11:12 AM (UnA8+)


Interesting that his Wikipedia article doesn't mention his trans status...

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at August 13, 2025 11:19 AM (PiwSw)

70 The problem with gerrymandering is eventually you hit the floor where you spread your majority so thin that in a wave election, you lose those marginal seats which are a lot harder to win back than keep in the first place.

Dems did that after the 90 Census which bit them in the ass in 1994.
Posted by: whig at August 13, 2025 11:16 AM (ctrM5)

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And yet, we haven't seen a real wave election since 2010, after which Democrat gerrymanders have just gotten worse.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:17 AM (GBKbO)
______

True, but I think the Dums are better than us at this. Plus, they add an extra 2-3 points (at least) like clockwork from fraud alone. We can't beat em. We should join em.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 13, 2025 11:19 AM (iFTx/)

71 I understand the point being made. Maybe Abbott isn't playing the cards in his hand correctly.

I live in Maryland. There is no fair apportionment. That more or less ended years ago. And the Supreme Court let them do it.

The Dems have never played this straight and never will. So I say eff em.

Posted by: Lurking Cheshirecat at August 13, 2025 11:20 AM (w3u3d)

72 Watching politics is always like watching a sports game where everyone on all sides cheats constantly and the referees are crooked.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2025 11:19 AM (uWKK

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DEPLOY THE DILDOS!!!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 13, 2025 11:20 AM (dDmld)

73 Regardless of the partisan consequences, districts should be drawn by algorithms based only on population, compactness, and geographic boundaries.

Yeah, that's the most common thought. Could it be done reliably and with little chance of influencing the vote? Maybe.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 13, 2025 11:20 AM (Riz8t)

74 >>>Carrot Top and Danny Bonaduce have a lot in common.

Posted by: pudinhead

Kathy Griffin's face looks like Carrot Top's scrotum after a Turkish surgeon botched a lift from his taint.

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at August 13, 2025 11:20 AM (/vPt3)

75 I'm guessing the 8 seats is the risky play, IOW the extra seats might not pan out and put other seats at risk. Whereas 5 seats are pretty solid. It probably had no value as additional incentive to get the D's to put on their big boy pants, so it would have been better left unsaid.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 13, 2025 11:21 AM (Dv3i1)

76 DataRepublican analyzes Adam Kinzinger's gripes about AE's Sydney Sweeny ad.

Interesting:

https://tinyurl.com/yutv63aw

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at August 13, 2025 11:21 AM (R4U7I)

77 Depends on the specifics of the divisions, of course, to keep the seats having roughly equal populations.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Stack, pack, and crack is what gerrymandering is all about. Stack some districts to be unwinnable, pack the opposing party into as few districts as possible, and crack any contiguous opposing party stronghold into multiple districts.

My crusty old professor in doctoral studies was an expert witness in such cases, and he knew his stuff regarding how to deal dirty in the gerrymander game. Lots of court activity in the 90's and 00's but also in the 70's as well from the VRA applications to districting.

Posted by: whig at August 13, 2025 11:21 AM (ctrM5)

78 67 They came back because they were bluffing too - they never really meant to stay gone, they just wanted to make a big political show of it. And they blocked this session, but they'll allow the next.

Watching politics is always like watching a sports game where everyone on all sides cheats constantly and the referees are crooked.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2025 11:19 AM (uWKK

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They did this a few years ago and came back then too.

And since, the TX constitution got amended to make punishment of the behavior worse.

Maybe it'll get amended again. $500 per day fine? Why not $50,000?

Hell, make it $500,000 and strip the bribery section out. An invitation to drain Democrat donation reserves.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:21 AM (GBKbO)

79 I think political districting is a reflection of the political will of the people through their elected representatives, and any other solution robs the people of their voice in the process.
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I don't think politicians elected from gerrymandered districts necessarily reflect the political will of the people.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 13, 2025 11:21 AM (7lfL4)

80 The problem with gerrymandering is eventually you hit the floor where you spread your majority so thin that in a wave election, you lose those marginal seats which are a lot harder to win back than keep in the first place.

Dems did that after the 90 Census which bit them in the ass in 1994.


Thought Experiment: If such a knife-edge gerrymander is what was offered, and the 1990/94 results were considered, would the Democrats say "don't throw me in the briar patch" ?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at August 13, 2025 11:21 AM (BvPIe)

81
Abscond vs Abdicate

They are Absconders. If they have no intention of returning, they have abdicated their offices.

Right?

Posted by: Soothsayer is Mathin' like jazzy crockett at August 13, 2025 11:21 AM (okTIz)

82 "if you could get eight, why did you target five? Why did you leave three more reps on the table instead of going for it?"

Because it lowers the margin of error and makes it more likely that you'll lose multiple seats if there is a small shift in opinion.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 13, 2025 11:21 AM (ExV1e)

83 And yet, we haven't seen a real wave election since 2010, after which Democrat gerrymanders have just gotten worse.
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Yankee Land has collapsed. They no longer have the Yankee Pimp Hand. They shipped their muscle, gristle and juice overseas for a fast buck and then their Big Blue Wall fell. They are in total panic mode.

Posted by: pudinhead at August 13, 2025 11:21 AM (W3T6M)

84 Abbott's been doing that a lot lately - note that the claims about "arresting" runaway legislators, or vacating their office, were both big bluffs that Abbott in fact had no way of doing.

And yet they're coming back.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 13, 2025 11:16 AM (Riz8t)

They came back because they were bluffing too


An, the old double bluff with a one and a half twist.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 13, 2025 11:21 AM (Riz8t)

85 Gerrymandering is as American as apple pie and the spoils of political warfare.

There is no other solution that does anything but give power over this particular political decision to people who did not win elections legitimately.

Essentially, if every state gerrymandered to the hilt, it would even out over time and across the nation. However, if only one side gerrymander's to the hilt, it's just unilateral disarmament and stupid.

If you want Democrats to stop, Republicans have to start first.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:11 AM (GBKbO)

THIS. Tit-For-Tat is the simplest, easiest way for two antagonists to work their way to a 'peaceful' solution. If Blue States have crap policies, Red voters move to Red States. Red States become more populous, and garner more congressional votes. Blue States suffer until they change their policies and people move back into them (and vice versa). If states have to suffer the Unlubed CBD of Consequences every time they FA, then both political parties will FO what policies are best - and begin to act accordingly.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 13, 2025 11:21 AM (vA2g3)

86 This is another one of those things that red states should have been doing for some time now.

Look how heavily gerrymandered New England is where all their reds are dems. Yes the states there are Democrat heavy but ALL of their seats are dems.

You should see the same pattern in the old south/midwest/Texas where those states are electing 0 dems to the House.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 13, 2025 11:22 AM (t0Rmr)

87 77 My crusty old professor in doctoral studies was an expert witness in such cases, and he knew his stuff regarding how to deal dirty in the gerrymander game. Lots of court activity in the 90's and 00's but also in the 70's as well from the VRA applications to districting.
Posted by: whig at August 13, 2025 11:21 AM (ctrM5)

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*fingers crossed that the VRA gets struck later this year, majority written by Thomas*

Won't affect 2026, but 2028 will be...interesting.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:22 AM (GBKbO)

88 Watching politics is always like watching a sports game where everyone on all sides cheats constantly and the referees are crooked.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2025 11:19 AM (uWKK

And no one is playing defense. It's like the NBA!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2025 11:22 AM (bss/y)

89 Alabama is most likely going to lose a Republican seat as the USSC is making us create a 3rd Majority Minority district.

Posted by: toby928 at August 13, 2025 11:22 AM (jc0TO)

90 I think political districting is a reflection of the political will of the people through their elected representatives, and any other solution robs the people of their voice in the process.
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I don't think politicians elected from gerrymandered districts necessarily reflect the political will of the people.


I concur. It's the exact opposite of a reflection of the will of the people. It's twisting the system to achieve something they can't achieve through the vote. Otherwise, why bother?

Posted by: Archimedes at August 13, 2025 11:23 AM (Riz8t)

91 There is literally no downside to going whole-hog on this.

1) You eliminate all Dem seats in TX - Win
2) Dems retaliate and eliminate all in theirs, last conservatives flee to red states - win
3) Dems sue, and SCOTUS makes a rule that strikes down pretty much all the blue state maps - massive win

Asked below, why didn't the TX Dems go to cheaper states, OK or LA for example?
The have R gov and AG; extradition request likely to be honored.
Plus, they're icky red states.

They are being forced to come back anyway.
No one is--or can--pay their bills and they only get $7200 a year for the ledg. job.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 13, 2025 11:23 AM (Xoc7P)

92 Abbott seems to say a lot of things "for effect" only.
Posted by: San Franpsycho



Yeah. 😔

First rule of bluffing: don't bluff unless you are ready for them to call it.

Because if they do, you're screwed.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2025 11:23 AM (UMMMY)

93 Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2025 11:18 AM (bss/y)

Texas is deep red but the Congressional make up was 25R - 12D . Comparably speaking our districting was more than fair . We are just trying to make it just fair.

Posted by: polynikes at August 13, 2025 11:23 AM (VofaG)

94 76 DataRepublican analyzes Adam Kinzinger's gripes about AE's Sydney Sweeny ad.

Interesting:

https://tinyurl.com/yutv63aw
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey

I just assumed "ghey"

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 13, 2025 11:24 AM (Dv3i1)

95 89 Alabama is most likely going to lose a Republican seat as the USSC is making us create a 3rd Majority Minority district.
Posted by: toby928 at August 13, 2025 11:22 AM (jc0TO)

This is what is so insane about this. 'They need another rep'. Well, why? What about the people who you are taking the rep away from?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2025 11:24 AM (bss/y)

96 These are deep weeds for me, but TJM makes sense.

Posted by: Static In gp's Attic at August 13, 2025 11:24 AM (iBAge)

97 They came back because they were bluffing too - they never really meant to stay gone, they just wanted to make a big political show of it. And they blocked this session, but they'll allow the next.

Watching politics is always like watching a sports game where everyone on all sides cheats constantly and the referees are crooked.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2025 11:19 AM (uWKK

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They did this a few years ago and came back then too.

And since, the TX constitution got amended to make punishment of the behavior worse.

Maybe it'll get amended again. $500 per day fine? Why not $50,000?

Hell, make it $500,000 and strip the bribery section out. An invitation to drain Democrat donation reserves.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:21 AM (GBKbO)
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The tea-bagging flee-baggers never really thought they could actually stop the redistricting. They tried this before and caved. This was a means to get their names in the paper and, most importantly, to fund-raise off of. Just one big stupid stunt that ... worked.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 13, 2025 11:24 AM (iFTx/)

98 Yankee Land has collapsed. They no longer have the Yankee Pimp Hand. They shipped their muscle, gristle and juice overseas for a fast buck and then their Big Blue Wall fell. They are in total panic mode.

I have no idea what this means, but it sounds bad.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 13, 2025 11:24 AM (Riz8t)

99 Gerry, who was vice president to President James Madison, pronounced his name with a hard “g”.

Another reason to rag on TMJ?

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at August 13, 2025 11:24 AM (w9Wax)

100 DataRepublican analyzes Adam Kinzinger's gripes about AE's Sydney Sweeny ad.


I thought Adam's complaint was that Sydney's tits are too big and she doesn't even have a little bit of penis

Posted by: 18-1 at August 13, 2025 11:24 AM (t0Rmr)

101 *wanders back in*

What did I miss?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 13, 2025 11:24 AM (dPfyF)

102 We are not a "democracy".
Just stop it.
We are a constitutional republic.

Regarding redistricting, start with the premise of dividing a states' population equally, primarily along county lines, top left (NW), going east, and ending up in the SE. Then adjust as necessary.
Yeah, yeah, easier said than done, I know.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 13, 2025 11:24 AM (ufFY8)

103 Regardless of the partisan consequences, districts should be drawn by algorithms based only on population, compactness, and geographic boundaries.

Using what population counts? Counts including illegal aliens or counts that don't?

I would imagine the borders of these districts would change dramatically on that criteria alone.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at August 13, 2025 11:25 AM (BvPIe)

104 73 Regardless of the partisan consequences, districts should be drawn by algorithms based only on population, compactness, and geographic boundaries.

Yeah, that's the most common thought. Could it be done reliably and with little chance of influencing the vote? Maybe.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Baker v. Carr created an insolvable problem. Once you get away from geographic representation to the One Man, One Vote, it becomes very difficult to construct districts that have cohesive geographic interests and at the same time, it buttresses incumbents.

Baker v. Carr was simply another attempt by Scotus to swoop in and solve a problem by declaring a fiat settlement based on imaginary fairness in politics. That entrenched dysfunctional urban cheat machines as how state politics ran. That in turn, of course, affected how Congress was apportioned.

Posted by: whig at August 13, 2025 11:25 AM (ctrM5)

105 Quick question, not topical.
Do they still make three way light bulbs?

Posted by: From about That Time at August 13, 2025 11:25 AM (n4GiU)

106 I asked Grok if the TX redistricting will make Crenshaw's seat more competitive in the primary.

It says it's unlikely.

Sad.

TBF, it has to rely upon media reports which all focus on it's effect on the poor, poor Dems.
So, there's still hope.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 13, 2025 11:26 AM (Xoc7P)

107 94 76 DataRepublican analyzes Adam Kinzinger's gripes about AE's Sydney Sweeny ad.

Interesting:

https://tinyurl.com/yutv63aw
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey

I just assumed "ghey"
Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 13, 2025 11:24 AM (Dv3i1)

It is interesting that the more we dug we started to find stuff like the Tarantactical shooting video and it's like... wow, she just keeps getting hotter.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2025 11:26 AM (bss/y)

108 93 Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2025 11:18 AM (bss/y)

Texas is deep red but the Congressional make up was 25R - 12D . Comparably speaking our districting was more than fair . We are just trying to make it just fair.

Posted by: polynikes at August 13, 2025 11:23 AM (VofaG)

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TX's current congressional map is really close to being in line with the overall presidential vote. Like, within 5%.

It's the current rather perfect model for what people want the ideal of congressional districting to be.

And yet...there's CA hiding behind an "independent commission" that creates districts that underrepresent R's by about 20% in the House (winning 40% of the presidential vote but getting only 19% of the House seats).

Until CA redistricts to more closely reflect the political will of its own people, TX should just match it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:26 AM (GBKbO)

109 The best part of this gerrymander stuff was when the Gov of MA came out and threatened to gerrymander back if Texas did.

Why is this funny?

Her state is already 100% gerrymandered as every rep is a Dem.

So either she doesn't know what gerrymandering means or she doesn't know the makeup of reps from her state.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 13, 2025 11:26 AM (t0Rmr)

110 I went to see Yankee Pimp Hand open for Slap Dat Ass, but they canceled at the last minute, no refund.

Posted by: Static In gp's Attic at August 13, 2025 11:26 AM (iBAge)

111 66 Connecticut's congressional delegation consists of five representatives, all of whom are members of the Democratic Party. The representatives and their respective districts are as follows:

The 1st District is represented by John B. Larson, who has served since January 3, 1999, and resides in East Hartford.
The 2nd District is represented by Joe Courtney, who has served since January 3, 2007, and resides in Vernon.
The 3rd District is represented by Rosa DeLauro, who has served since January 3, 1991, and resides in New Haven.
The 4th District is represented by Jim Himes, who has served since January 3, 2009, and resides in Cos Cob.
The 5th District is represented by Jahana Hayes, who has served since January 3, 2019, and resides in Wolcott

You may now continue.
Posted by: @SOEarpiece at August 13, 2025 11:19 AM (jc0TO)

This is absolutely true, which is why I limited this to state districts and not congressional ones.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 13, 2025 11:26 AM (vA2g3)

112 >>>And no one is playing defense. It's like the NBA!

Posted by: Aetius451AD

>Launching 3-pointers is not a game, unless you're playing HORSE or PIG.

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at August 13, 2025 11:26 AM (/vPt3)

113 Abbott's been doing that a lot lately - note that the claims about "arresting" runaway legislators, or vacating their office, were both big bluffs that Abbott in fact had no way of doing.

1. They leave the state to avoid arrest. Legislators have been 'arrested' in the past and taken to sessions.
2. Paxton asked the state Supreme Court to vacate their seats. I don't know if the court ruled or not.

Just because you're not seeing headlines about stuff doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 13, 2025 11:26 AM (ExV1e)

114 @87 *fingers crossed that the VRA gets struck later this year, majority written by Thomas*

@89 Alabama is most likely going to lose a Republican seat as the USSC is making us create a 3rd Majority Minority district.
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USSC is seemingly contradictory.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 13, 2025 11:26 AM (Dv3i1)

115 Kathy Griffin is going for the Nanzi Palsi goatee.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at August 13, 2025 11:27 AM (17s+e)

116 Baker v. Carr created an insolvable problem. Once you get away from geographic representation to the One Man, One Vote, it becomes very difficult to construct districts that have cohesive geographic interests and at the same time, it buttresses incumbents.

The cohesive geographic interests is the real problem, IMHO. What does that even mean? According to SCOTUS, race outweighs geography.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 13, 2025 11:27 AM (Riz8t)

117 What gets me is the Blue state whining about the redistricting in light of their current ridiculously unbalanced districting .

They all have the mentality of a spoiled 10 year old.
Posted by: polynikes

Like my 7 year old nephew that I sometimes have to babysit. He wants to play card or board games, but he cheats like hell when he's losing.

Posted by: Stu Podaso at August 13, 2025 11:27 AM (M0V4/)

118 the GOP is so often viewed as weak, spineless and stupid...

The GOP is weak, spineless and stupid. FIFY.

Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at August 13, 2025 11:27 AM (MZ+PY)

119 I swear morons just can’t accept victory without bashing the process or worrying about events that haven’t happened but could.

This is similar to tariffs imo.
Posted by: polynikes at August 13, 2025 11:16 AM (VofaG)


I was gonna read this but you were on my scroll-by list

Posted by: Doof at August 13, 2025 11:27 AM (wkXwO)

120 Watching politics is always like watching a sports game where everyone on all sides cheats constantly and the referees are crooked.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2025 11:19 AM (uWKK

And the two sides are in a throuple together and hate your guts more than they could ever hate one another.

Posted by: ... at August 13, 2025 11:28 AM (yh2Fr)

121 Quick question, not topical.
Do they still make three way light bulbs?
Posted by: From about That Time

*raises hand

I know, I know!

Posted by: Rob Lowe at August 13, 2025 11:28 AM (w9Wax)

122 109 So either she doesn't know what gerrymandering means or she doesn't know the makeup of reps from her state.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 13, 2025 11:26 AM (t0Rmr)

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Much more likely:

She wanted her name in the paper as an effort to see her name in the paper and to send out fundraising emails to D dummies off of it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:28 AM (GBKbO)

123 Until CA redistricts to more closely reflect the political will of its own people, TX should just match it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:26 AM (GBKbO)

And California is not the only one, I am guessing. Mass, Illinois, Washington, Oregon? Colorado these days?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2025 11:28 AM (bss/y)

124 USSC is seemingly contradictory.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 13, 2025 11:26 AM


Yeah, they just ruled against us in 2023. What has changed?

Posted by: toby928 at August 13, 2025 11:28 AM (jc0TO)

125 You are ALL on scroll-by until further notice.

Posted by: ... at August 13, 2025 11:28 AM (yh2Fr)

126 As a Texan, I can make a long story short and tell you how the Texas GOP writ large is about as useful as tits on a boar.

Posted by: ballistic at August 13, 2025 11:29 AM (3BwY8)

127 Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you.

Posted by: toby928 at August 13, 2025 11:29 AM (jc0TO)

128 125 You are ALL on scroll-by until further notice.
Posted by: ... at August 13, 2025 11:28 AM (yh2Fr)

So we can say anything. Seems like you could open a word doc if all you wanted to do was journal.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2025 11:29 AM (bss/y)

129 You are ALL on scroll-by until further notice.
Posted by: ... at August 13, 2025 11:28 AM (yh2Fr)


I didn't read this one either

Posted by: Doof at August 13, 2025 11:29 AM (wkXwO)

130 124 USSC is seemingly contradictory.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 13, 2025 11:26 AM

Yeah, they just ruled against us in 2023. What has changed?
Posted by: toby928 at August 13, 2025 11:28 AM (jc0TO)

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If I remember correctly, the 2023 suit was narrowly tailored and didn't touch on the larger VRA questions. I think it also struck down another part of the VRA at the same time.

SCOTUS tracking is weird and requires a stupid amount of attention.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:29 AM (GBKbO)

131 This is what is so insane about this. 'They need another rep'. Well, why? What about the people who you are taking the rep away from?

The same logic that says its perfectly OK that over a half dozen states don't have a single Republican representative even though the individual states have quite a number of Republicans.

Apparently adequate Representation is about your tribe identity. Another victim of Multi-culturalism.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at August 13, 2025 11:30 AM (BvPIe)

132 Watching politics is always like watching a sports game where everyone on all sides cheats constantly and the referees are crooked.

We are not cheating, per se, we're entertaining you!

Posted by: The Washington Generals at August 13, 2025 11:30 AM (E/qck)

133 118 the GOP is so often viewed as weak, spineless and stupid...

The GOP is weak, spineless and stupid. FIFY.
Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at August 13, 2025 11:27 AM (MZ+PY)

They don't even put on the gimp suit and the ball gag before letting the Democrats peg them.

Posted by: XTC at August 13, 2025 11:30 AM (UnA8+)

134 yum yum shit pebbles
yummy in my mouth

Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at August 13, 2025 11:30 AM (jBA6G)

135 If the Texas GOP could have gone +8 and settled for +5, they need a very good explanation for why they chose to settle on five.
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Dilution.
5 solid red seats and 3 dem or 4 solid and four swing?
Grok did say that the change could make Crenshaw's seat more competitive in the general because it could add more Dem areas to his district.

So, that's why most states don't go 100% R or D--you will lose seats that were once safe.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 13, 2025 11:31 AM (Xoc7P)

136 I agree with the main argument here, but would go further. Don't stop with the House of Representatives Districts. Redistrict the entire state legislature, as well. Hell, if state law allows, change the city wards to cut the Democrats' stronghold. If there is one more Democrat dog catcher than there might have been, you've failed.

Posted by: Eeyore at August 13, 2025 11:31 AM (s0JqF)

137 The problem is the number of Congressional seats are based on population and the blue shihole cities get to have 50% or more of of the reps from their states though they probably cover only 10% or less of the state area.

Posted by: polynikes at August 13, 2025 11:31 AM (VofaG)

138 Yankee Land has collapsed. They no longer have the Yankee Pimp Hand. They shipped their muscle, gristle and juice overseas for a fast buck and then their Big Blue Wall fell. They are in total panic mode.

I have no idea what this means, but it sounds bad.
Posted by: Archimedes


The north f'd up. They no longer have the manufacturing base to pummel the rest of the country with and force/drag everyone along. They no longer have the upper hand. No one has to listen to them.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 13, 2025 11:31 AM (UMMMY)

139 You are ALL on scroll-by until further notice.
Posted by: ... at August 13, 2025 11:28 AM (yh2Fr)
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Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you!

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 13, 2025 11:31 AM (iFTx/)

140 131 The same logic that says its perfectly OK that over a half dozen states don't have a single Republican representative even though the individual states have quite a number of Republicans.

Apparently adequate Representation is about your tribe identity. Another victim of Multi-culturalism.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at August 13, 2025 11:30 AM (BvPIe)

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I discount all states with 4 reps or less in this question.

Like, should a state with 60-40 split and only 2 reps be evenly split? Is it reasonable at all to expect that? For either party?

I don't think so.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:31 AM (GBKbO)

141 Watching politics is always like watching a sports game where everyone on all sides cheats constantly and the referees are crooked.

We are not cheating, per se, we're entertaining you!


I am NOT entertained!

Posted by: Maximus Decimus Meridius at August 13, 2025 11:31 AM (Riz8t)

142 One thing to keep in mind, Dems should naturally be hurt in nominally "fair" redistricting.

The Hive cities vote 90% Dem, whereas the 'burbs might be 60-40R and the rural areas 70-30R.

So if you make the Hive City a district, which it logically should be, then the surrounding burbs another district or two and finally the rural areas also their own districts, you SHOULD see something like 4 Rs and 1 D even in a region that is close to 50-50 just because the Hive people want to stay together in their hives...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 13, 2025 11:31 AM (t0Rmr)

143 89 Alabama is most likely going to lose a Republican seat as the USSC is making us create a 3rd Majority Minority district.
Posted by: toby928
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Watch the Louisiana case before Scotus. They may throw out the VRA majority minority requirement because it violates the Equal Protection clause.

Basically the Alabama case relied on past STATUTORY interpretations of the VRA, not the constitutionality of majority minority districts. It is little known but Scotus only interprets a statute facially (as a whole) once. It figures that if Congress doesn't like it, it can change the law.

Louisiana case is squarely dealing with whether the interpretation of the VRA requiring majority-minority districts can be constitutional (IMHO, it can't be if you treat races the same as in college admissions, etc.). Nothing in the 15th amendment demands that safe districts be created for only minorities as a constitutional practice and that violates the 14th Amendment equal protection clause where similarly situated groups should be treated the same under the law.

Posted by: whig at August 13, 2025 11:31 AM (ctrM5)

144 Regardless of the partisan consequences, districts should be drawn by algorithms based only on population, compactness, and geographic boundaries.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 13, 2025 11:18 AM (7lfL4)


I always thought to base it on zip codes and carrier routes. who else keeps detailed, neighborhood statistics, and chops them up in almost even batches?

Posted by: Kindltot at August 13, 2025 11:32 AM (rbvCR)

145 The NBA could save a lot of money if they fired all of the coaching staffs and referees and just let them bomb 3-pointers.

At halftime, you could have a LeBron flop competition for cash and prizes.

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at August 13, 2025 11:32 AM (/vPt3)

146
My guess is that Abbott is still listening to the Titration A-holes.

"Gov. Abbott, our studies show us that we can get at least 8 new Republican districts easily. After Trump, people are going to still want MAGA but a kinder, gentler MAGA. A MAGA that's willing to compromise and give the Democrats a place. That's what the voters are going to want in a President.

So, it's our belief that five seats is the maximum you should take. That shows the Democrats who's boss without bending them over a barrel."

Like so.

But, it's piss-poor advice. Assuming nothing changes, people want a Trumpian maximalist approach and won't settle for weak sauce. And I believe realize that it's going to take at least 10-15 years to unclusterfuck the USA, maybe longer.

And want a strong candidate committed to clawing back as much power away from the Democrats as possible.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 13, 2025 11:32 AM (iJfKG)

147 Good morning, good people, from the steamy Adirondacks.

Who's betting on mucho snow this Winter, if the Jet Stream holds it's current patterns? It would be a departure from the past few years, for certain.

Meantime, may all effort from you be rewarded maximally to your benefit, with egregious heartburn for the leftwit fungi.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at August 13, 2025 11:32 AM (hKoQL)

148 "I swear morons just can’t accept victory without bashing the process or worrying about events that haven’t happened but could.
This is similar to tariffs imo."

'You got what you voted for, now STFU and celebrate.'

I don't buy it. No reason we should not comment on what the people we elected are doing. I'm willing to wait and see about the tariffs, but claiming 'SEE! They worked! All is guaranteed good from here on in. Now party or be quiet!' just doesn't work for me.

Posted by: Static In gp's Attic at August 13, 2025 11:32 AM (iBAge)

149 So we can say anything. Seems like you could open a word doc if all you wanted to do was journal.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2025 11:29 AM (bss/y)

My Word docs make Manson sound like George Washington.

Posted by: ... at August 13, 2025 11:33 AM (yh2Fr)

150 Posted by: 18-1 at August 13, 2025 11:31 AM (t0Rmr)

Heh at 'Hive city'.

It is kind of like 40K. We might need to send in the Inquisition though, I think Chaos has a foothold.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2025 11:33 AM (bss/y)

151 Heh at 'Hive city'.

Fresh look at Black Flag?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 13, 2025 11:34 AM (ufFY8)

152 It is kind of like 40K. We might need to send in the Inquisition though, I think Chaos has a foothold.

I was thinking more Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri because our Slaneeshi Democrats wouldn't last long in the Warhammer Empire...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 13, 2025 11:34 AM (t0Rmr)

153 maybe i'm late on this and it's already been discussed, but i could have sworn that the number of people in the US house was based on the census and that there can be no increasing the number of representatives.

or am i missing something here. and the same with the Cali threat to do the same.

Posted by: Sturmtoddler at August 13, 2025 11:34 AM (v6XNT)

154 I’m still kinda pessimistic in that I don’t think I’ll believe Abbott gets this done (the plus five) until I actually see it. Those Dem runners might take off again if/when he calls the next special session

We’ll see

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 13, 2025 11:34 AM (c99AZ)

155 Watching politics is always like watching a sports game where everyone on all sides cheats constantly and the referees are crooked.
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Or like watching English sports.

(classic)
https://youtu.be/E_6d3JBBo4s

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 13, 2025 11:34 AM (Dv3i1)

156 The cohesive geographic interests is the real problem, IMHO. What does that even mean? According to SCOTUS, race outweighs geography.

How in Hell is skin color supposed to be a primary factor in determining representation?

Why not attached vs unattached earlobes?
Or Left-handedness
Or something else that is as stupid and arbitrary?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at August 13, 2025 11:34 AM (BvPIe)

157 >>>That, or there is no way they can possibly get eight and it's just a red meat soundbite for his side, and he threw it out with the full knowledge that there's no there there - in which case, the Democrats know it, too.

And he flexes his sense of humor!

Posted by: m at August 13, 2025 11:35 AM (aURVT)

158 Louisiana case is squarely dealing with whether the interpretation of the VRA requiring majority-minority districts can be constitutional (IMHO, it can't be if you treat races the same as in college admissions, etc.). Nothing in the 15th amendment demands that safe districts be created for only minorities as a constitutional practice and that violates the 14th Amendment equal protection clause where similarly situated groups should be treated the same under the law.

Posted by: whig at August 13, 2025 11:31 AM


Let's face facts, the VRA was unconstitutional the moment it got signed into law but nobody cared and all sorts of case law has been "established" based on that unconstitutional law. SCOTUS should kill the thing completely.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 13, 2025 11:35 AM (0N4FZ)

159
Until CA redistricts to more closely reflect the political will of its own people, TX should just match it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:26 AM (GBKbO)

Yes that’s why I said comparably speaking. I think the current districting is good if it wasn’t for the other blue states. We’ve been the cuck long enough.

Posted by: polynikes at August 13, 2025 11:35 AM (VofaG)

160 >>>Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you!

Posted by: Elric The Blade

>What? No 'good day, sir"?

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at August 13, 2025 11:36 AM (/vPt3)

161 I was thinking more Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri because our Slaneeshi Democrats wouldn't last long in the Warhammer Empire...
Posted by: 18-1 at August 13, 2025 11:34 AM (t0Rmr)

That does remind me of the project video for... Mind Twister?
'Mary had a little lamb,
Little Lamb,
Little Lamb.'
-Last transmission from Sparta Command

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2025 11:36 AM (bss/y)

162 159 Yes that’s why I said comparably speaking. I think the current districting is good if it wasn’t for the other blue states. We’ve been the cuck long enough.
Posted by: polynikes at August 13, 2025 11:35 AM (VofaG)

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My thinking as well.

I don't remember nearly this much fretting about the unfairness of gerrymandering 2 years ago when New York went through it to eliminate 3 GOP seats.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:37 AM (GBKbO)

163 The same logic that says its perfectly OK that over a half dozen states don't have a single Republican representative even though the individual states have quite a number of Republicans.

Apparently adequate Representation is about your tribe identity. Another victim of Multi-culturalism.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at August 13, 2025 11:30 AM (BvPIe)

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I discount all states with 4 reps or less in this question.

Like, should a state with 60-40 split and only 2 reps be evenly split? Is it reasonable at all to expect that? For either party?

I don't think so.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:31 AM (GBKbO)
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I agree in theory, but some of these all-Dem 4- or 5-seat states would naturally have at least one (if not two) GOP seats if they weren't massively gerrymandered. The redder areas are deliberately shoved into a Rorschach-blotch deep-blue area solely to fuck the GOP. The GOP should do the same to them, whenever possible.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 13, 2025 11:37 AM (iFTx/)

164 ASS, guess what, math ignores realities on the ground including geography, common interest, etc. For example, when you move past first past the post districts, you get multiple parties (Durverget'
s law), But with multiple parties, you often end up with cycling--that is the party in power and its policies are opposed by a majority of the population. Multiple parties simply move the politics to internal coalitions rather the more obvious and open majority party coalitions in first past the post.

If you really want to be educated, pick up Hannah Pitkin's book on Representation from the 60's. You can get a copy cheap. Simply put, representation is not a mathematical formula that can be maximized because people are not widgets.

And a reminder, expertise in one field of knowledge (like math) often does not carry forward to another field (like government and political science).

Posted by: whig at August 13, 2025 11:37 AM (ctrM5)

165 That, or there is no way they can possibly get eight and it's just a red meat soundbite for his side, and he threw it out with the full knowledge that there's no there there - in which case, the Democrats know it, too.


The Dems don’t know it . These Dems are as dumb as they get .

Posted by: polynikes at August 13, 2025 11:37 AM (VofaG)

166
The Hive cities vote 90% Dem, whereas the 'burbs might be 60-40R and the rural areas 70-30R.

_____________________


Hence the Democrat legislature in Oregon split the ultra leftist hive of Portlandia among four districts, ensuring that the suburban areas were Democrat districts.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 13, 2025 11:37 AM (7lfL4)

167 or am i missing something here. and the same with the Cali threat to do the same.

The same idiots screaming "My Democracy" because the GOP is trying to catch up on the gerrymandering that the Demoncrats have mastered for generations are the same ones that a few months ago were demanding to pack the courts and make PR and DC the 51st and 52nd state for four more guaranteed senators.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at August 13, 2025 11:37 AM (BvPIe)

168 Oh, it was the Dream Twister:

https://tinyurl.com/3mpanvj7

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2025 11:37 AM (bss/y)

169 I think a more standardized approach to national elections would be worth looking into. Forget the weird, gerrymandered districts created to make sure one party or the other stays in power. That's fine if a particular state wants to do it, and the population goes along with it.

But national elections shouldn't use those districts to elect the president. I've no idea what to use in its place, but something has to be done to eliminate those weird ballot dumps in blue shithole districts that seem to occur with great regularity.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 13, 2025 11:38 AM (Q4IgG)

170 Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you!
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 13, 2025 11:31 AM


Whatever happened to that guy?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 13, 2025 11:38 AM (dPfyF)

171 169 But national elections shouldn't use those districts to elect the president. I've no idea what to use in its place, but something has to be done to eliminate those weird ballot dumps in blue shithole districts that seem to occur with great regularity.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 13, 2025 11:38 AM (Q4IgG)

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You know what will end it?

Execution for malefactors and bounties for catching them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:39 AM (GBKbO)

172 It's really saying we MUST find a better, more neutral, way to draw congressional districts.
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There is no such solution possible.
This is kinda a conservative fault.
We want a "big fix" so that we don't have to deal with it anymore and can go back to our lives.
But that's not how politics works.
We will never, ever be able to stop fighting on any issue ever.
As TJM notes, the only solution is more engagement by conservatives who will never let up on any issue.
Every other solution will always, always be corrupted by politics if not.

To put it simply:
There is no referee in politics.
No matter how much the fucktards in black robes tell us they are there to call a fair game.
It's all politics and we are all players on the field whether we want to be or not.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 13, 2025 11:39 AM (Xoc7P)

173 I think a more standardized approach to national elections would be worth looking into.

And that is the opening statement made by every single AI provider in any congressional session discussing the future of redistricting and voting.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at August 13, 2025 11:40 AM (BvPIe)

174 That is an effective movie. Bits of K21 and then the guy screaming with his eyes rolled back. The child's poem adds to it.


That was such a great game.

Another great one:

https://tinyurl.com/33pnxjn2

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2025 11:40 AM (bss/y)

175
That does remind me of the project video for... Mind Twister?
'Mary had a little lamb,
Little Lamb,
Little Lamb.'
-Last transmission from Sparta Command


I think Alpha Centauri did a poor job with the Spartans and Lord's Believers. You can tell what Brian Reynolds's politics were - run of the mill lefty circa the 90s.

However, it is comical that the good guy Pravin Lal, of the [UN] Peacekeepers, most notable quote is now far right wing terrorism or something:

"As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. "

Posted by: 18-1 at August 13, 2025 11:41 AM (t0Rmr)

176 "Hannah Pitkin's book on Representation from the 60's. You can get a copy cheap."

It's available on Scribd.

Posted by: Static In gp's Attic at August 13, 2025 11:41 AM (iBAge)

177 "Alabama is most likely going to lose a Republican seat as the USSC is making us create a 3rd Majority Minority district."

Didn't Ace say there were ? ten states with zero Republican reps? What about the "disenfranchised" R voters in those states? They are also minorities.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 13, 2025 11:41 AM (vbXSk)

178 Mannix!

*jazzy music plays*

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 13, 2025 11:41 AM (xcxpd)

179 Passivity in redistricting is a form of failure theater mixed with the con game function of cooling off the mark (conservative voters/constituents). GOP officeholders, aspirants and their grifting/grafting supporters want the LEAST conservative governance possible under any/all circumstances.

Posted by: Jo at August 13, 2025 11:42 AM (S//JK)

180 Yes that’s why I said comparably speaking. I think the current districting is good if it wasn’t for the other blue states. We’ve been the cuck long enough.
Posted by: polynikes at August 13, 2025 11:35 AM (VofaG)

========

My thinking as well.

I don't remember nearly this much fretting about the unfairness of gerrymandering 2 years ago when New York went through it to eliminate 3 GOP seats.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:37 AM (GBKbO)
________

True, but those GOP seats that were eliminated were only 2 years old. The GOP won a yuge victory in 2022 and ended up picking up 4 seats (!). There was of course more endless litigation, which gave the Dums back 2 seats. The 3rd you mention was the Santos debacle, IIRC.

The big point is that even in blue states like NY, the GOP can win some of these battles, if only the lazy useless grunts get the fuck off their slimy taints and fight.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 13, 2025 11:42 AM (iFTx/)

181 The Dems don’t gerrymander by party affiliation directly. They gerrymander by ethnic make up in which they assume party affiliation. That’s how they defend it. You must have minority representation !!!!

If Blacks suddenly started voting majority Republican they would change their tune in a heartbeat.

Posted by: polynikes at August 13, 2025 11:42 AM (VofaG)

182 Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you!
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 13, 2025 11:31 AM

Whatever happened to that guy?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 13, 2025 11:38 AM (dPfyF)

I liked the cut of his jib

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 13, 2025 11:42 AM (zViR+)

183 "Whatever happened to that guy?"

His political tent shrank so much that he suffocated in it.

Posted by: Static In gp's Attic at August 13, 2025 11:44 AM (iBAge)

184 181 The Dems don’t gerrymander by party affiliation directly. They gerrymander by ethnic make up in which they assume party affiliation. That’s how they defend it. You must have minority representation !!!!

If Blacks suddenly started voting majority Republican they would change their tune in a heartbeat.
Posted by: polynikes at August 13, 2025 11:42 AM (VofaG)

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Overturning the majority minority district requirement from the VRA, which could happen later this year through SCOTUS, is going to have...huge implications.

Something like 70 districts across the country were built to accommodate that requirement.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:44 AM (GBKbO)

185 Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you!
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 13, 2025 11:31 AM

Whatever happened to that guy?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 13, 2025 11:38 AM (dPfyF)
_________

He might be dead. His speech was almost 20 years ago, and he wasn't all there even then. Or maybe he's a tech billionaire. Who knows?

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 13, 2025 11:44 AM (iFTx/)

186 I was thinking more Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri because our Slaneeshi Democrats wouldn't last long in the Warhammer Empire...
Posted by: 18-1 at August 13, 2025 11:34 AM (t0Rmr)
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BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!

Posted by: Khorne at August 13, 2025 11:44 AM (WvZaB)

187 I never got into Alpha Centari the way I did Civilization.
I'm not sure, something was missing, some special sauce.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 13, 2025 11:44 AM (xcxpd)

188 182 Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you!
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 13, 2025 11:31 AM

Whatever happened to that guy?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 13, 2025 11:38 AM (dPfyF)

I liked the cut of his jib
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at August 13, 2025 11:42 AM (zViR+)


Koichi Toyama

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at August 13, 2025 11:45 AM (PiwSw)

189 Let's face facts, the VRA was unconstitutional the moment it got signed into law but nobody cared and all sorts of case law has been "established" based on that unconstitutional law. SCOTUS should kill the thing completely.
Posted by: Mister Scott
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Hate to tell you Mr. Scott, the VRA was based on the 15th Amendment which is specifically constitutional. Even the old Southern Democrats grudgingly admitted that the federal government could protect minority voting rights. Where the VRA went wrong is that it tried to guarantee minorities political power rather than voting rights.

Posted by: whig at August 13, 2025 11:45 AM (ctrM5)

190 Another core problem the Rs have in winning contested districts is that we don't have a pipeline to produce R candidates.

The Dems have endless NGOs to churn out candidates who just go back to them if they lose.

GOP candidates usually come from the dread private sector where not only are you not trained for politics, you face the possibility of being frozen out of your industry for publicly endorsing rightwing politics.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 13, 2025 11:45 AM (t0Rmr)

191 Posted by: 18-1 at August 13, 2025 11:41 AM (t0Rmr)

Heh. We are on the same page.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2025 11:45 AM (bss/y)

192 185 Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you!
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 13, 2025 11:31 AM

Whatever happened to that guy?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 13, 2025 11:38 AM (dPfyF)
_________

He might be dead. His speech was almost 20 years ago, and he wasn't all there even then. Or maybe he's a tech billionaire. Who knows?
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 13, 2025 11:44 AM (iFTx/)

Last I heard he had a part time job in addition to living like a street hobo.

His words were iron though.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 13, 2025 11:45 AM (xcxpd)

193 Koichi Toyama
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at August 13, 2025 11:45 AM


Gesundheit.

Posted by: toby928 at August 13, 2025 11:45 AM (jc0TO)

194 >>> There is a reason why the GOP is so often viewed as weak, spineless and stupid

The Utah GOP is this as well, but the district map of our state is one of the few things they've ever done right. The left in UT has been whining about it to high heaven since TX's restricting right put it in the news. Current districts are in a pie shape, each taking a bite out of SLC. Left wants SLC to be its own district, ie blue.

Reasons I am fine with this:

1) Californication of Utah by liberal dem fleebaggers, who fled to our state without embracing Utah values, has been a problem for decades. Our gerrymandering is the only way that rural, family centered, bright red Utahns have any say in how their state is run. Otherwise it would all be Californians.

2) I've heard the census doesn't like or is too lazy to bother counting missionaries serving in other countries as residents. Most of them are rural and likely conservative. That is a HUGE part of Utah's population. If you counted that, we would have an extra seat easy.

3) Utah GOP is spineless and stupid on a good day. They barely keep the blue wave of fleebaggers at bay as it is. With a bright blue rep, rural Utah would be toast.

Posted by: LizLem at August 13, 2025 11:45 AM (gWBY1)

195 Democrat plan to defeat Trump in D.C.

https://is.gd/hmoA7g

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Something Smells Funny In Here at August 13, 2025 11:45 AM (L/fGl)

196 156
‘ How in Hell is skin color supposed to be a primary factor in determining representation?’

Better yet: Why is making skin color a primary factor not giving an unfair advantage to one skin color over another?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 13, 2025 11:46 AM (jbnUc)

197 I hate that AOC has so much influence representing a five block part of Queens.

Posted by: polynikes at August 13, 2025 11:46 AM (VofaG)

198 BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!

Posted by: Khorne at August 13, 2025 11:44 AM (WvZaB)


Hey any of your people save one of those WNBA dildos? I'm feeling a stirring deep within if you know what I mean

Posted by: Liz Cheney at August 13, 2025 11:46 AM (t0Rmr)

199 Louisiana case is squarely dealing with whether the interpretation of the VRA requiring majority-minority districts can be constitutional (IMHO, it can't be if you treat races the same as in college admissions, etc.).

If it is going to be raced based, are we back to the Gimme Reparations Crowd only gets 3/5ths vote?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at August 13, 2025 11:46 AM (BvPIe)

200 I just assumed "ghey"
Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 13, 2025 11:24 AM (Dv3i1)


So what's gayer, Kinsinger or the new GQ "glamour shot" of Travis Kelce where he looks like a retarded Village Person?

Posted by: Ian S. at August 13, 2025 11:46 AM (2ocoG)

201 187 I never got into Alpha Centari the way I did Civilization.
I'm not sure, something was missing, some special sauce.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 13, 2025 11:44 AM (xcxpd)

See, I was exactly the opposite. Something about Alpha Centauri just elevated it beyond and made it just a tad better than all the other civ games.

Beyond Earth was not good. Trying to recreate magic.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2025 11:47 AM (bss/y)

202 180 ...We’ve been the cuck long enough.
Posted by: polynikes at August 13, 2025 11:35 AM (VofaG)

========

My thinking as well.

I don't remember nearly this much fretting about the unfairness of gerrymandering 2 years ago when New York went through it to eliminate 3 GOP seats.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:37 AM (GBKbO)
________

True, but those GOP seats that were eliminated were only 2 years old. The GOP won a yuge victory in 2022 and ended up picking up 4 seats (!). There was of course more endless litigation, which gave the Dums back 2 seats. The 3rd you mention was the Santos debacle, IIRC.

The big point is that even in blue states like NY, the GOP can win some of these battles, if only the lazy useless grunts get the fuck off their slimy taints and fight.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 13, 2025 11:42 AM (iFTx/)

This is only Act I in this saga. Act II will be the Census. NY and CA should have lost 5 seats collectively, due to out-migration. TX and FL should have gotten those seats. Obama moved Census oversight to his office (TIT), and PJDV should do the same (TAT) to fix the damage done.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 13, 2025 11:47 AM (vA2g3)

203 Oh AOC includes part of the Bronx now also.

Posted by: polynikes at August 13, 2025 11:47 AM (VofaG)

204 'GQ "glamour shot" of Travis Kelce where he looks like a retarded Village Person?'

She fixed him.

Posted by: Static In gp's Attic at August 13, 2025 11:48 AM (iBAge)

205 Overturning the majority minority district requirement from the VRA, which could happen later this year through SCOTUS, is going to have...huge implications.
+++
James Clyburn hardest hit hopefully.

Posted by: Florida Peasant at August 13, 2025 11:48 AM (Lo97M)

206 Regardless of the partisan consequences, districts should be drawn by algorithms based only on population, compactness, and geographic boundaries.
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LOL
Sure.

One of the key plot points of the Cryptonomicon was him manipulating the division of the estate with the appearance of fairness via a grid of the items up for grabs and each claimant would move about the grid toward the item they wanted.

He wrote the algorithm that assigned value to each move thus "mathematically, objectively and fairly" dividing the estate.

Except.

Except he wrote it so that his feign toward what he desperately wanted, a small move on the grid, would be sufficient to award that to him while the rest only saw him exhibit mild to no interest in that item (punch cards that encrypted the location of a massive trove of Nazi gold).

He who writes the code wins the gold.
See also, Dominion

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 13, 2025 11:48 AM (Xoc7P)

207 205 James Clyburn hardest hit hopefully.
Posted by: Florida Peasant at August 13, 2025 11:48 AM (Lo97M)

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1. Hilariously true.

2. Clyburn is one of the most overhyped people in politics. I don't think he holds any actual sway in SC's black community.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:49 AM (GBKbO)

208 While I haven’t checked “ocean of pdf dot com” should have the Pitken book, or would not be surprised. Sometimes I almost feel guilty when a book sez “thank you for your e book purchase”. Almost. Lots of great books

Posted by: Common Tater at August 13, 2025 11:51 AM (2VfHu)

209 OT:

THAT is interesting in that Schiff is pardoned for any actions in the J6 show trials, but not about Russiagate.

They knew exactly how lawless and just plain fucking evil they were about the J6 guys.

*types* *deletes*

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2025 11:51 AM (bss/y)

210 BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!

Posted by: Khorne at August 13, 2025 11:44 AM (WvZaB)

Hey any of your people save one of those WNBA dildos? I'm feeling a stirring deep within if you know what I mean
Posted by: Liz Cheney at August 13, 2025 11:46 AM (t0Rmr)
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PROBABLY SKARBRAND. HE'S A LITTLE WEIRD.

Posted by: Khorne at August 13, 2025 11:51 AM (WvZaB)

211 Civ 1 was AMAZING for its time.

Civ 2 captured the magic again

Civ 3...ZZZZZ

Civ 4 perfected the genre belongs on the lists of best video games of all time

Civ 5/6 were a regression but still good

Civ 7 I've heard is bad but I've never played

Also fun games of this type: Sid Meier's Colonization, Masters of Magic, Imperiums Greek Wars

and if you want a really odd take on it look at Thea the Awakening which asks the question, how would a Civ style game look if it took place in a post apocalyptic world based on Slavic Mythology?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 13, 2025 11:51 AM (t0Rmr)

212 >>> The Dems have endless NGOs to churn out candidates who just go back to them if they lose.

Speaking of... the dems are turning on Chuck Schumer. John Oliver is useless, but he had a bit on his show ripping into Schumer.

If lefty elites have lit the bat signal to their media puppets to turn on Schumer, he will fall his reelection, and AOC has polished her horse teeth and is ready to fight for his seat. They will probably just anoint her.

It's frustrating, and scary, that the dems have no real bench, but random idiots like Sandy Cortez and false eyelash queen waltz in and Hoover up power and money without a fight.

Posted by: LizLem at August 13, 2025 11:52 AM (gWBY1)

213 if you could get eight, why did you target five?

"But that would be winning. That is not how we gentlemen fight." -GOPe

Posted by: NR Pax at August 13, 2025 11:52 AM (BpO1e)

214 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:37 AM (GBKbO)
________

True, but those GOP seats that were eliminated were only 2 years old. The GOP won a yuge victory in 2022 and ended up picking up 4 seats (!). There was of course more endless litigation, which gave the Dums back 2 seats. The 3rd you mention was the Santos debacle, IIRC.

The big point is that even in blue states like NY, the GOP can win some of these battles, if only the lazy useless grunts get the fuck off their slimy taints and fight.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 13, 2025 11:42 AM (iFTx/)

This is only Act I in this saga. Act II will be the Census. NY and CA should have lost 5 seats collectively, due to out-migration. TX and FL should have gotten those seats. Obama moved Census oversight to his office (TIT), and PJDV should do the same (TAT) to fix the damage done.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 13, 2025 11:47 AM (vA2g3)
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True, but I'm not holding my breath on Trump being able to pull this off with the census, and certainly not in time for 2026.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 13, 2025 11:52 AM (iFTx/)

215 If racial gerrymandering is overturned by SCOTUS, the CBC is only gonna have about 5 members left.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 13, 2025 11:52 AM (uWKK8)

216 Maybe the last 3 weren't a sure thing.
Or they were "Historically Black seats" and would raise too much stink.

Posted by: DaveA at August 13, 2025 11:52 AM (FhXTo)

217 Breaking at NYT: "The Problem Is With Men’s Sperm"

When are all you men going to finally get your shit together? How long is NYT gonna have to scold you before you stop being problematic?

Posted by: Static In gp's Attic at August 13, 2025 11:52 AM (iBAge)

218 Koichi Toyama

He's apparently still a street musician in Japan.

Posted by: t-bird at August 13, 2025 11:52 AM (E/qck)

219 'While I haven’t checked “ocean of pdf dot com” should have the Pitken book'

archive.org doesn't have it

Posted by: Static In gp's Attic at August 13, 2025 11:53 AM (iBAge)

220 Original Pirates! was best Sid Meyer.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 13, 2025 11:53 AM (0sNs1)

221 214 True, but I'm not holding my breath on Trump being able to pull this off with the census, and certainly not in time for 2026.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 13, 2025 11:52 AM (iFTx/)

=======

His efforts on the census, ordering the early recount, have nothing to do with 2026. Started now, the count wouldn't even finish before most March deadlines for new maps, much less with enough time for state legislatures to do anything about it.

They're about showing how bad the Census screwed up 2020 and about how many illegals there are in America.

If the 2026/27 census finds out that America is only 280 million Americans instead of 330 million people (or whatever), it'll be...big.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:54 AM (GBKbO)

222 Give it up, hon. There's no fixing that thing.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at August 13, 2025 11:11 AM (PpBto)

The goatee is a nice touch, though.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 13, 2025 11:54 AM (G2NPp)

223 >>> She fixed him.

If by "fixed" you mean Tay-Tay neutered Kelce, then yes. Though I think he willingly allowed it.

Posted by: LizLem at August 13, 2025 11:54 AM (gWBY1)

224 Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you.

The sock should have been "Koichi Toyama"

And he ended his monologue with an obscene gesture. He could have been a Moron except for being a radical leftist.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at August 13, 2025 11:55 AM (BvPIe)

225 Breaking at NYT: "The Problem Is With Men’s Sperm"

My understanding if men's fertility is dropping rapidly across the 1st world.

No one knows why for sure.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 13, 2025 11:55 AM (t0Rmr)

226 Oh AOC includes part of the Bronx now also.
Posted by: polynikes at August 13, 2025 11:47 AM (VofaG)
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Yea, it's a ridiculous gerrymandered seat almost guaranteed to install some leftwing retard with a Spanish-sounding name. The district jumps over rivers, across well-defined neighborhoods, includes some nice areas with scumpits, and snakes down the middle of blocks.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 13, 2025 11:55 AM (iFTx/)

227 Things I learned from the Cryptonomicon:

1) There is no such thing as encryption, only time to decrypt as constrained by the available computing power.
2) Unless you wrote the code, you don't know what all it does
3) every electronic device can be hacked
4) messages can be encrypted in plain sight so long as the observer doesn't know what to look for

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 13, 2025 11:55 AM (Xoc7P)

228
It's frustrating, and scary, that the dems have no real bench, but random idiots like Sandy Cortez and false eyelash queen waltz in and Hoover up power and money without a fight.
Posted by: LizLem

And this is why Elizabeth Warren has suddenly found her true communist roots. She doesn’t want to be next on the chopping block.

Posted by: Piper at August 13, 2025 11:55 AM (pZEOD)

229 New votes about 40% republican in last presidential vote, has zero Republican reps.
We are counting on you to even things up. Gerrymander the hell out of every ted state.

Posted by: From about That Time at August 13, 2025 11:55 AM (n4GiU)

230 This threat is either empty or serious, but it strikes me as troubling either way. If it's empty, it doesn't inspire confidence because empty threats carry no weight.
------------
"Don't call my bluff."
---BHO

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at August 13, 2025 11:55 AM (WvZaB)

231 KenCen Chairman announces

@TrumpWarRoom
·
2m
President @realDonaldTrump
announces the infamous rock band KISS as a 2025 Kennedy Center Honors nominee.

Posted by: Don Black at August 13, 2025 11:56 AM (AOsQT)

232 Original Pirates! was best Sid Meyer.

Sid created several genres and arguably made the best game in them (Pirates being one of them). He's one of the most important figures in video games...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 13, 2025 11:56 AM (t0Rmr)

233 'My understanding if men's fertility is dropping rapidly across the 1st world.'

I think she was talking about how it's too lumpy and hard to digest.

Posted by: Static In gp's Attic at August 13, 2025 11:56 AM (iBAge)

234 Sorry, Sid Meier.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 13, 2025 11:56 AM (0sNs1)

235 New England #229.

Posted by: From about That Time at August 13, 2025 11:56 AM (n4GiU)

236 Why is rock band KISS "infamous" ??

Posted by: runner at August 13, 2025 11:56 AM (g47mK)

237 232 Original Pirates! was best Sid Meyer.

Sid created several genres and arguably made the best game in them (Pirates being one of them). He's one of the most important figures in video games...
Posted by: 18-1 at August 13, 2025 11:56 AM (t0Rmr)

=======

And no one would know his name without Robin Williams.

For reals.

It was Williams' idea to put Meier's name as part of the title of Civilization.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:56 AM (GBKbO)

238 If Blacks suddenly started voting majority Republican they would change their tune in a heartbeat.
——-

Now you know why the Democrats went to Defcon 1 in 2019. - Donny Two scoops was headed for an easy re-election. I remember thinking “What they need is a huge distraction”. I was thinking maybe some sort of nuclear hit, something. Maybe chemical. It was a blind spot on my part not to consider biological. They did get their “distraction”.

Posted by: Common Tater at August 13, 2025 11:56 AM (2VfHu)

239 BYW Ohio could have had 2 more Republican seats but a liberal Republican on the state Supreme Court rejected the map as unfair to Democrats. Then, she followed up by pushing a ballot measure that would have put redistricting under the sort of 'nonpartisan' redistricting commissions that always end up stacked with leftist Democrats

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 13, 2025 11:57 AM (7lfL4)

240 I know you're all going to run out and buy a copy.

Union Boss Randi Weingarten Writes Book Called "Why Fascists Fear Teachers"

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Something Smells Funny In Here at August 13, 2025 11:57 AM (L/fGl)

241 True, but I'm not holding my breath on Trump being able to pull this off with the census, and certainly not in time for 2026.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 13, 2025 11:52 AM (iFTx/)

=======

His efforts on the census, ordering the early recount, have nothing to do with 2026. Started now, the count wouldn't even finish before most March deadlines for new maps, much less with enough time for state legislatures to do anything about it.

They're about showing how bad the Census screwed up 2020 and about how many illegals there are in America.

If the 2026/27 census finds out that America is only 280 million Americans instead of 330 million people (or whatever), it'll be...big.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:54 AM (GBKbO)
_______

Yea, but I was talking about theories that Trump could just throw the dogshit fake census out in time for 2026. He even mentioned it, IIRC. I agree there's no chance anything happens before 2026. The GOP was asleep at the wheel when this obviously fraudulent census was taken.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 13, 2025 11:57 AM (iFTx/)

242 Union Boss Randi Weingarten Writes Book Called "Why Fascists Fear Teachers"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Something Smells Funny In Here at August 13, 2025 11:57 AM (L/fGl)
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She misspelled "are."

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at August 13, 2025 11:58 AM (WvZaB)

243 "Why Fascists Fear Teachers"

'Why Teachers See Fascists Everywhere They Look"

Posted by: Static In gp's Attic at August 13, 2025 11:58 AM (iBAge)

244 I suppose the Abbot "threat" could be directed at CA, along the lines of "If you try to take the few remaining Elephant seats in CA, we can remove all remaining Donk seats in TX. We are now just leveling the field. If you wanna play for keeps we still have room to retaliate."

Posted by: Martin Tell at August 13, 2025 11:58 AM (sFNX2)

245 203 Oh AOC includes part of the Bronx now also.
Posted by: polynikes at August 13, 2025 11:47 AM (VofaG)

"Leave the Bronx!"
-Prescient Italian movie

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 13, 2025 11:58 AM (xcxpd)

246 Union Boss Randi Weingarten Writes Book Called "Why Fascists Fear Teachers"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Something Smells Funny In Here at August 13, 2025 11:57 AM


That, or Kamala!'s 107 Days?

I fear the indecision cycle is going to prevent me from acquiring either.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 13, 2025 11:58 AM (0sNs1)

247 241 Yea, but I was talking about theories that Trump could just throw the dogshit fake census out in time for 2026. He even mentioned it, IIRC. I agree there's no chance anything happens before 2026. The GOP was asleep at the wheel when this obviously fraudulent census was taken.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 13, 2025 11:57 AM (iFTx/)

=======

I still think Trump should order reapportionment now based on the Census's corrected numbers.

5-6 seats. Immediately.

But 2021 was an interesting moment in history. The Census intentionally screwing up in 2020 was a surprisingly minor story for some reason.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:59 AM (GBKbO)

248 In two minutes I get eat.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 13, 2025 11:59 AM (7lfL4)

249 There is a reason why the GOP is so often viewed as weak, spineless and stupid

We need some Historically Weak, Spineless, and Stupid seats, but we don't want to be pushy.

Posted by: The GOPe at August 13, 2025 11:59 AM (E/qck)

250 9, 19, 29, and 33 were court ordered by 5th US.
They tried to create a Minority District (per VRA) by adding up races of (D) voters.
Example:
Precinct 1 has 66% Black
Precinct 2 has 66% Hispanic
Precinct 3 has 33% and 33% Mix.

They were added to get to create a seat that had a >60% chance of voting (D).
The law theoretically would protect P1 and P2 but not using P3 to make up the final solution.

Posted by: rhennigantx at August 13, 2025 11:59 AM (gbOdA)

251 The Pirates remake they did was actually pretty good. Virtually the same game as the original, just with better graphics and a few more mini games.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2025 11:59 AM (bss/y)

252 >"Alabama is most likely going to lose a Republican seat as the USSC is making us create a 3rd Majority Minority district."
----

ACK! shually, Alabama ranks #8 in the preseason AP Poll

Posted by: Don Black at August 13, 2025 11:59 AM (AOsQT)

253 >>> Yea, it's a ridiculous gerrymandered seat almost guaranteed to install some leftwing retard with a Spanish-sounding name. The district jumps over rivers, across well-defined neighborhoods, includes some nice areas with scumpits, and snakes down the middle of blocks.

The only reason Harlem has any black representation left is they've gerrymandered it to high heaven. Otherwise it would all be Latino reps. Not just Spanish Harlem, but the historically black areas as well. (Thank the illegals, NYC!)

Posted by: LizLem at August 13, 2025 11:59 AM (gWBY1)

254 Those that don't have an appetite for gerrymandering should take a look at states such as Pennsylvania and four or five other RED states that got screwed in the gerrymandering game by a left leaning state supreme court despite having a Republican state congress.

PA's Constitution only allows State Legislature to set districting. So, in 2018, the Republican state legislature re-set the districts. The PA Supreme Court shot it down....THEN, the Supreme Court itself hired a political hack Stanford Univ. professor (leftist political hack, Law Professor Nathaniel Persily) to come in and do the redistricting (which, of course, folded republican strongholds into urban districts causing Republicans to lose seats).

This took place in other Red states as well. It was orchestrated. It was, also, very under reported.

Posted by: Orson at August 13, 2025 11:59 AM (dIske)

255 Koichi Toyama[//i]

Does he have a t-shirt?

Posted by: DaveA at August 13, 2025 12:00 PM (FhXTo)

256 But 2021 was an interesting moment in history. The Census intentionally screwing up in 2020 was a surprisingly minor story for some reason.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:59 AM (GBKbO)

CV 19 covered up many sins.

Posted by: rhennigantx at August 13, 2025 12:00 PM (gbOdA)

257 I'm sure it's been asked already but these dirtbag, commie Democrats, when they abandon their sdeats, why aren't they just fired? If I refuse to report to work, guess what? I get fucking canned!!!


People - even fucking leftard asshole leftists woould understand the basic logic of this. If you don't show up to work You're Fired! FFS!

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at August 13, 2025 12:00 PM (aaRct)

258 231 KenCen Chairman announces

@TrumpWarRoom
·
2m
President @realDonaldTrump
announces the infamous rock band KISS as a 2025 Kennedy Center Honors nominee.
Posted by: Don Black at August 13, 2025 11:56 AM (AOsQT)

Infamous...when you're MORE than famous?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 13, 2025 12:00 PM (xcxpd)

259 Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you.
The sock should have been "Koichi Toyama"

I love that crazy Jap bastard. President Trump should appoint him to clean up the social security disability rolls. Lotta goldbricks out there.

Posted by: Godzilla at August 13, 2025 12:01 PM (YpP4h)

260 257 I'm sure it's been asked already but these dirtbag, commie Democrats, when they abandon their sdeats, why aren't they just fired? If I refuse to report to work, guess what? I get fucking canned!!!


People - even fucking leftard asshole leftists woould understand the basic logic of this. If you don't show up to work You're Fired! FFS!
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at August 13, 2025 12:00 PM (aaRct)

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If they're absent for 20 days during a session, Abbott has the power to expel them from TX politics for the rest of their lives. It's in the constitution.

This stunt was never going to last.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 12:01 PM (GBKbO)

261 I know you're all going to run out and buy a copy.

Union Boss Randi Weingarten Writes Book Called "Why Fascists Fear Teachers"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Something Smells Funny In Here at August 13, 2025 11:57 AM (L/fGl)

Not gonna read it, but I assume it has to do with Halloween costumes?

Which are the best sellers, sexy nurses, sexy librarians, sexy teachers, or sexy nazzies?

I dunno, the sexy nazzy is probably out of fashion these days. Even sexy Hermoine Granger is probably in the discount bin.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 13, 2025 12:01 PM (dGCAG)

262 I wonder how it'd work if every 4 years you checked a box on your tax return for President. Or boxes if it's a joint return.

And those were the only votes that counted.

And the IRS doesn't do the counting.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 13, 2025 12:02 PM (Q4IgG)

263 >There is a reason why the GOP is so often viewed as weak, spineless and stupid
---

because they are weak, spineless and stupid

Posted by: Don Black at August 13, 2025 12:02 PM (AOsQT)

264 Infamous...when you're MORE than famous?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 13, 2025 12:00 PM (xcxpd)

El Guapo

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2025 12:03 PM (bss/y)

265 ...This took place in other Red states as well. It was orchestrated. It was, also, very under reported.

Posted by: Orson at August 13, 2025 11:59 AM (dIske)



It was under-reported because the media is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat Party. That needs to change too because if it isn't this will continue and half the brain dead assholes in the country will continue putting up with this shit.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at August 13, 2025 12:03 PM (aaRct)

266 because they are weak, spineless and stupid
Posted by: Don Black at August 13, 2025 12:02 PM (AOsQT)

and kind of gay.

and lame.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2025 12:03 PM (bss/y)

267 146 But, it's piss-poor advice. Assuming nothing changes, people want a Trumpian maximalist approach and won't settle for weak sauce. And I believe realize that it's going to take at least 10-15 years to unclusterfuck the USA, maybe longer.

And want a strong candidate committed to clawing back as much power away from the Democrats as possible.
Posted by: naturalfake at August 13, 2025 11:32 AM (iJfKG)

And spiking the football right down their cocksucking throats.

Posted by: XTC at August 13, 2025 12:03 PM (UnA8+)

268 Yea, but I was talking about theories that Trump could just throw the dogshit fake census out in time for 2026. He even mentioned it, IIRC. I agree there's no chance anything happens before 2026. The GOP was asleep at the wheel when this obviously fraudulent census was taken.
Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 13, 2025 11:57 AM (iFTx/)

=======

I still think Trump should order reapportionment now based on the Census's corrected numbers.

5-6 seats. Immediately.

But 2021 was an interesting moment in history. The Census intentionally screwing up in 2020 was a surprisingly minor story for some reason.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:59 AM (GBKbO)
___

Yes. That's what I was talking about: Immediately. But I don't think it will happen.

The entire world went batshit crazy insane in 2020. Covid, Saint George Floyd of the Divine Overdose, the 2020 election theft, the national takeover of culture by mutant weirdos and perverts, etc.

We still haven't recovered. Probably never will.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at August 13, 2025 12:03 PM (iFTx/)

269 CV 19 covered up many sins.
Posted by: rhennigantx at August 13, 2025 12:00 PM


Only on a Smart Military Blog would people have real knowledge of the feats of the U.S.S. Hancock.

Bravo Zulu!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 13, 2025 12:03 PM (0sNs1)

270 I want + one BILLION seats.

Posted by: Dr. Evil at August 13, 2025 12:03 PM (GD2xa)

271 reason.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 11:59 AM (GBKbO)

Because Republicans didn't bother challenging it in any significant way?

Posted by: ... at August 13, 2025 12:04 PM (yh2Fr)

272 I’m w Archimedes the brilliant Sicilian but my goodness don’t you see dear Mannix. what he was responding to regarding Newsome and Hochul.?

Posted by: TG Sam at August 13, 2025 12:05 PM (ud9p9)

273 I want + one BILLION seats.

Posted by: Dr. Evil at August 13, 2025 12:03 PM (GD2xa)

Good start.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 13, 2025 12:05 PM (snZF9)

274 ...because they are weak, spineless and stupid
Posted by: Don Black at August 13, 2025 12:02 PM (AOsQT)

and kind of gay.

and lame.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2025 12:03 PM (bss/y)



And those are their good traits. FTA.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at August 13, 2025 12:05 PM (aaRct)

275 264 Infamous...when you're MORE than famous?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 13, 2025 12:00 PM (xcxpd)

El Guapo
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2025 12:03 PM (bss/y)

I love him getting a sweater at his party

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 13, 2025 12:05 PM (xcxpd)

276 I hate ewetub 'news'.

'Leavitt warns homeless people in DC could be fined and jailed'!

Vagrants?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2025 12:05 PM (bss/y)

277 If you want to see what would have happened if Trump lost look to Airstrip One and Soviet Canuckistan.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 13, 2025 12:06 PM (7lfL4)

278 Which are the best sellers, sexy nurses, sexy librarians, sexy teachers, or sexy nazzies?
Posted by: BurtTC at August 13, 2025 12:01 PM


I have been informed by Screaming In Digital, an actual librarian, that the images of sexy librarians held by many 'rons are no longer valid.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 13, 2025 12:06 PM (0sNs1)

279 I know I'm biased towards Abbott, but I like his threat of possibly adding a few more R districts if for nothing more than helping to keep neweome and other libs in check.

Posted by: LASue at August 13, 2025 12:06 PM (lCppi)

280 Yeah, that's the most common thought. Could it be done reliably and with little chance of influencing the vote? Maybe.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 13, 2025 11:20 AM (Riz8t)

Divide each Sate into parallel slices, each slice to contain the same number of citizens. Slices would be thing going through cities, and those that don't would be thicker. After each Census, boundaries of slices might have to be altered by a few yards.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 13, 2025 12:06 PM (N965F)

281 "The entire world went batshit crazy insane in 2020."

Word. People are already forgetting how crazy it was.

Posted by: Static In gp's Attic at August 13, 2025 12:06 PM (iBAge)

282 Stop Gerrymandering our Senate seats!

Posted by: Dim Bulb Democrat Governors at August 13, 2025 12:07 PM (w9Wax)

283 Breaking at NYT: "The Problem Is With Men’s Sperm"

What, that male Democrats aren't getting as much of it as they want on their faces?

Posted by: Ian S. at August 13, 2025 12:07 PM (2ocoG)

284 The main reason red states can't gerrymander to the max is because they don't cheat with the vote counting like democrats do. There is no risk to democrats to do maximum gerrymandering because even with "close" districts, they still count the votes and do so in a manner that they will always win. Red states have to make sure if they create safe districts, that they are actually safe.

Posted by: TheITGuy2 at August 13, 2025 12:07 PM (+Em2P)

285 @TrumpWarRoom
·
2m
President @realDonaldTrump
announces the infamous rock band KISS as a 2025 Kennedy Center Honors nominee.
Posted by: Don Black at August 13, 2025 11:56 AM (AOsQT)

Infamous...when you're MORE than famous?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 13, 2025 12:00 PM (xcxpd)

It's like inflammable. It looks like it SHOULD mean something can't be set on fire, but it actually means it's more easily set on fire.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 13, 2025 12:07 PM (dGCAG)

286 After each Census, boundaries of slices might have to be altered by a few yards.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 13, 2025 12:06 PM (N965F)
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I live less than a hundred yards from my district boundary. It's shifted over me a couple of times since I've been here.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at August 13, 2025 12:08 PM (WvZaB)

287 281 "The entire world went batshit crazy insane in 2020."

Word. People are already forgetting how crazy it was.
Posted by: Static In gp's Attic at August 13, 2025 12:06 PM (iBAge)

This.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2025 12:08 PM (bss/y)

288 It was under-reported because the media is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat Party. That needs to change too because if it isn't this will continue and half the brain dead assholes in the country will continue putting up with this shit.
Posted by: Chairborne!
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Basically the last redoubt of big media is the Boomer and Silent generations and it is one of the few groups in 2024 to move to the left instead of rightwards.

Print newspapers like NYT and WaPo are shrinking in audience. Other papers are now little more than AP/Reuters new aggregator stories but still dying. Cable news networks are dying along with their elderly audiences. News magazines are dead. And broadcast networks are dying too especially the urge to watch national news at 5 PM.

The future of media is heterogeneous rather than homogeneous.

Posted by: whig at August 13, 2025 12:08 PM (ctrM5)

289 George Strait will also be a KenCen honoree

Posted by: Don Black at August 13, 2025 12:08 PM (AOsQT)

290 Stop Gerrymandering our Senate seats!
Posted by: Dim Bulb Democrat Governors at August 13, 2025 12:07 PM


This. It's not fair that Californians only get the same number of Senators as Wyoming or North Dakota do.

Posted by: Gavin Newsom (D-CA) at August 13, 2025 12:08 PM (0sNs1)

291 El Guapo
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 13, 2025 12:03 PM (bss/y)

I love him getting a sweater at his party
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at August 13, 2025 12:05 PM


The dialogue about the meaning of "plethora" gets me every time.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 13, 2025 12:09 PM (dPfyF)

292 290 Stop Gerrymandering our Senate seats!
Posted by: Dim Bulb Democrat Governors at August 13, 2025 12:07 PM

This. It's not fair that Californians only get the same number of Senators as Wyoming or North Dakota do.
Posted by: Gavin Newsom (D-CA) at August 13, 2025 12:08 PM (0sNs1)

=======

"We should eliminate the Senate to preserve democracy and expand the Supreme Court under a Democrat for democracy as well."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 13, 2025 12:09 PM (GBKbO)

293 Fighter jets flying low around Dulles Airport. WTF?

Posted by: Bulg at August 13, 2025 12:10 PM (77rzZ)

294 I just saw the Frankenbunnies. Those poor little things!

Posted by: Piper at August 13, 2025 12:10 PM (p4NUW)

295 If they're absent for 20 days during a session, Abbott has the power to expel them from TX politics for the rest of their lives. It's in the constitution.

This stunt was never going to last.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
+++
Democrats showboating???
I shan't believe it.

Posted by: Florida Peasant at August 13, 2025 12:10 PM (Lo97M)

296 Fighter jets flying low around Dulles Airport. WTF?
Posted by: Bulg at August 13, 2025 12:10 PM (77rzZ)



Gotta show Trump is incompetent and crash into a few more passenger airliners.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at August 13, 2025 12:10 PM (Zz0t1)

297 Which are the best sellers, sexy nurses, sexy librarians, sexy teachers, or sexy nazzies?
Posted by: BurtTC at August 13, 2025 12:01 PM

I have been informed by Screaming In Digital, an actual librarian, that the images of sexy librarians held by many 'rons are no longer valid.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 13, 2025 12:06 PM (0sNs1)

We have to wait until October, but once a year, we can dream, and our dream WILL come true.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 13, 2025 12:11 PM (dGCAG)

298 George Strait will also be a KenCen honoree
Posted by: Don Black


Sounds homophobic to me.

Posted by: Bulg at August 13, 2025 12:11 PM (77rzZ)

299 Yeah, I can't wait for the 3 Stooges on SCOTUS to explain to us stupids why a white person representing a black city is bad, but a black person representing a white city is good.

Really looking forward to extensive discussion of the "righting historical wrongs for decades and decades after" clause in the Constitution; how it is actually equal protection to favor one skin color over another.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 13, 2025 12:11 PM (Xoc7P)

300 NOODlum.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at August 13, 2025 12:11 PM (Zz0t1)

301 The entire world went batshit crazy insane in 2020. Covid, Saint George Floyd of the Divine Overdose, the 2020 election theft, the national takeover of culture by mutant weirdos and perverts, etc.

We still haven't recovered. Probably never will.


There's some recovery, in terms of almost 90% of the public saying there's nothing wrong with the Sydney Sweeney ad. And "black fatigue" as a concept has definitely started to break out in normies. The Overton window has absolutely slid a little bit back towards "not insane", but there's a ways to go yet.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 13, 2025 12:11 PM (2ocoG)

302 ... I admit to being more than a bit puzzled as to why anyone thinks that boasting about it being a halfway measure is a good idea.

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"The moral of the story is I chose a half measure when I should have gone all the way. I'll never make that mistake again. No more half measures, Walter."

/obligatory Breaking Bad / Mike Ehrmantraut reference

Posted by: ShainS -- Stop All The #WINNING ... I Gotta Get Off! at August 13, 2025 12:12 PM (4fVMw)

303 Fighter jets flying low around Dulles Airport. WTF?
Posted by: Bulg at August 13, 2025 12:10 PM


The tower refused to let them take a pass, and they're upset?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 13, 2025 12:12 PM (0sNs1)

304 "The entire world went batshit crazy insane in 2020."

That photo of the Dem bigwigs kneeling together wearing 'kente cloth.'

"Oh please enwords, stop burning shit. We're kneeling just like you demanded." So cowardly and fucking stupid. It makes me actually nauseous. But the *whole nation* bought it for a couple years.

Posted by: Static In gp's Attic at August 13, 2025 12:12 PM (iBAge)

305 nood

Posted by: Static In gp's Attic at August 13, 2025 12:12 PM (iBAge)

306 It's not fair that Californians only get the same number of Senators as Wyoming or North Dakota do.
Posted by: Gavin Newsom (D-CA) at August 13, 2025 12:08 PM (0sNs1)
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You're right. It's not fair and your state should secede. Which will also be a way for you to keep your imported brown slaves.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at August 13, 2025 12:13 PM (7lfL4)

307 The feinting couch for the DC - NY nomenclature will have to be reinforced after the year Kiss is going to be culturally honored

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 13, 2025 12:13 PM (0EwKT)

308 Isn't the seat-vacating thing being litigated in the Texas Supreme Court?

Posted by: Kareem of Wheat at August 13, 2025 12:14 PM (AFztM)

309 We still haven't recovered. Probably never will.
Posted by: Elric The Blade
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Recovery posits a return to some past--that is impossible unless you have Ace's time machine.

But, countries are not people. The people will still be here in the US regardless of whatever governing arrangements change.

More like a river, human societies twist and turn, flood, shrink, change channels, and head toward some unknowable (to us anyway) distant destination. And we as individuals, sit on the banks and ponder seeing only the small slice before us.

All that is inevitable is change from the present.

Posted by: whig at August 13, 2025 12:15 PM (ctrM5)

310 Ahhhh, what might have been!

Simon Pegg Gives a Frank Take On Quentin Tarantino’s Unmade R-Rated Star Trek Script: “Batsh** Crazy”

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Something Smells Funny In Here at August 13, 2025 12:23 PM (L/fGl)

311 "if you could get eight, why did you target five? Why did you leave three more reps on the table instead of going for it?"

Getting more seats narrows the margins of victory. A "perfect" gerrymander would make every district 51-49% for the winner and however many 100-0% districts for the loser are needed to balance out the total number of voters.

Obviously that is a horrible idea though, because a small shift in the political winds and you could lose every single seat.

If you aim for something more like 60-40% districts which are more likely to hold, then the losers are going to end up with more districts, since the winners are concentrating their voters past what is technically needed for victory.

Posted by: Sjg at August 13, 2025 12:25 PM (aqZN1)

312 Problem with the RINOS is not that they are weak, spineless, and stupid, and gay, and probably pedophiles for many of them with their names on Epstein's List.

No, the problem is they are committed in their hate against America, Christ, and sanity. Its the Uniparty folks. Brought to you by Lolita Airways, where if you party so hard you forget what you did, don't worry because we have video recordings from four different angles of what you did for you to review at your leisure.

Posted by: Eric2 at August 13, 2025 12:41 PM (q7Vou)

313 If the Texas GOP could have gone +8 and settled for +5, they need a very good explanation for why they chose to settle on five. [/i[

Simple - you answered your own question: the Texas GOP IS weak, spineless and stupid and this is an example of it.

The Texas GOP is the gang who has brought us years of Michael McCaul, Kay Bailey Hutchison, and John Cornyn; the outfit which lost every[/] State-wide vote in Harris County (Houston) in 2018; the gang who impeached AG Paxton; the folks who couldn't stop Ann Richards nor Annise Parker...the list is lengthy and disheartening.

You can call Texas a Red State, but that's because of its citizens, not their GOP.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at August 13, 2025 12:56 PM (bufu1)

314 time to create totally solid democrat districts so all the rest can be won by GOP. one or two in Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, and one in Austin.

Posted by: gov'theretohelp at August 13, 2025 01:09 PM (PfnFb)

315 If it gets Abbott on Fox News that”s all he cares about.

Posted by: Cow Demon at August 13, 2025 01:10 PM (vm8sq)

316 Ahem.

Posted by: The Barrel at August 13, 2025 02:17 PM (jc0TO)

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