Gun Thread: Second August Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Holy Shitballs! How in the ever-loving Hell did it get to be the Second August Edition?

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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FUNdamentals

Will someone please humor me and comment on how the diligent application of fundamentals has improved their shooting??

Pleeeeze?

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M1 Garand Overrated?

*GASP*! The hell? Has our pal hickok45 gone nutty in the haid?

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Mobs Surrounding Your Car Pt. Dos

More fun with mobs. Part II of the vid featured last week.

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More Sig P320 Stuff

Same guy, different topic.

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Bronze Brushes?

Bronze v. nylon? Comments? Concerns?

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Dry Fire Laser Systems

Someone recently asked about these in the comments and I found this from our pals at Gun Tests

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Our Pal Asbestos in Paving!

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Highway Patrol

This week's episode: Reformed Criminal.

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Gamera vs Zigra!

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com
Nicks Cigar World New!

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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Ammo Link-O-Rama
I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop
American Elite Ammo
Lucky Gunner Ammo NEW!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

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1 st?

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at August 10, 2025 07:00 PM (v23vE)

2 bang

Posted by: Eromero at August 10, 2025 07:00 PM (LHPAg)

3 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2025 07:00 PM (+qU29)

4 Yay! Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a special bold greeting (see what I did there?) to our host Weasel!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at August 10, 2025 07:01 PM (v23vE)

5 Welcome!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 10, 2025 07:01 PM (0sNs1)

6 My summer sure has flashed before my eyes

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2025 07:01 PM (+qU29)

7 Mr. Weasel to The Barrel. Mr. Weasel to The Barrel.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 10, 2025 07:01 PM (0sNs1)

8 Gundamentals. Use it or lose it.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 10, 2025 07:02 PM (HFcKg)

9 Top ten- ish?

Posted by: Coelacanth at August 10, 2025 07:02 PM (vt7xw)

10 First, power is back on after 36 hours. We didn't open the fridge so all we had to toss were some leftovers and dairy products.

Second, just a week ago I wrote:

I kind of wanted an M18 and would still get one if it came up at a really good price. Then it would go into the safe unloaded with the expectation that eventually Sig would have a verified fix or offer a full value trade-in on a follow-up model.

So... It's not an M18, it's a full sized P320 in .45 but it was on the used rack tagged at $350. By applying for a store credit card I got a $75 voucher. With tax, I'm out the door for $300 +/- the cost of a happy meal.

1/2...

Posted by: Oddbob at August 10, 2025 07:02 PM (3nLb4)

11 Corgis called.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 10, 2025 07:02 PM (0sNs1)

12 I blame Gamera.

Posted by: Weasel at August 10, 2025 07:02 PM (cmI4M)

13 ...2/2

First impressions:

It is a pretty light trigger pull for a duty weapon. We gun geeks like that but it may be less than ideal for a weapon meant to be used in high stress environments.

This example doesn't have the amount of play in the slide that a lot of the ones in Ewetoob vids have that seems to be correlated to the ability to make it trip with less than a full trigger pull. I was not able to replicate the failure by wiggling the slide while holding the trigger at the take-up point. Of course I didn't jack it around super hard or hit it with a hammer because I'm not making a video or trying to prove anything one way or the other.

That said, I'm still not going to trust it fully until there is some kind of resolution.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 10, 2025 07:03 PM (3nLb4)

14 But on Gunsmoke, the guns don't smoke!

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at August 10, 2025 07:03 PM (f1uyw)

15 What? No Books?

Posted by: RI Red at August 10, 2025 07:03 PM (h87eb)

16 Weasel, it was, and is, the diligent application of fundamentals that has made me the shooter I am.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 10, 2025 07:04 PM (0sNs1)

17 Looks like an Airman was arrested at Warren AFB for involuntary manslaughter and making a false official statement. This in connection to the death of an Airman from the M18.

Was that shooting accidental? We shall see…

Posted by: Cow Demon at August 10, 2025 07:05 PM (vm8sq)

18 Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 10, 2025 07:04 PM (0sNs1)
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Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at August 10, 2025 07:05 PM (cmI4M)

19 Weasel, it was, and is, the diligent application of fundamentals that has made me the reader I am.

Posted by: RI Red at August 10, 2025 07:05 PM (h87eb)

20 Are the Cozy Caves still stringing vertically?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 10, 2025 07:06 PM (0sNs1)

21 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at August 10, 2025 07:06 PM (BCwQW)

22 Howdy!

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at August 10, 2025 07:07 PM (sAmhv)

23 I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I got a Strikeman system. The hardware is fine but unless you pay for the "Pro" upgrade, the app is lame. But at least it isn't gay nor does it have a chick in it. Overall: C. Would not recommend.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 10, 2025 07:08 PM (3nLb4)

24 But on Gunsmoke, the guns don't smoke!
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at August 10, 2025 07:03 PM (f1uyw)

That would have been wild, to use black powder cartridges and watch the sets fill up with sulfurious smoke.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at August 10, 2025 07:08 PM (bKn1x)

25 Well, it was last weekend, but diligently applying the fundamentals of a new grip that seems less wobbly.

The RMBS Mom is working on improving hand and arm strength as well as focusing on the fundamentals. More after next Sunday's range afternoon.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 10, 2025 07:09 PM (Wnv9h)

26 No cigars, but up for a Scotch

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2025 07:09 PM (+qU29)

27 I completely spaced cleaning the guns that I shot last week. I was gonna clean 'em this weekend, I swear. Oh, well - being retired I can clean 'em tomorrow

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at August 10, 2025 07:10 PM (r36/K)

28 Fundamentals become really important when your ammo costs $1 or more per round (EX: .44 Russian, .45 Long Colt).

Posted by: Ed L at August 10, 2025 07:10 PM (BCwQW)

29 No cigars, but up for a Scotch
Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2025 07:09 PM (+qU29)

Ditto...almost.
Did a cigar yesterday and will write a review tonight.
Scotch now is a very good idea.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 10, 2025 07:12 PM (2WIwB)

30 In other news: remember Daniel Perry, the guy who got caught up in a BLM protest in Austin and shot and killed a protester in self-defense? He was pardoned by the Governor after getting a recommendation from the Board of Pardons and Paroles…

Well, the Communist twink DA in Travis County is still harassing him and prosecuting him for “deadly conduct”, which is a misdemeanor punishable by up to a tear in jail.

Perry’s defense attorney filed for a charge of venue, arguing the case was too well known in the Travis County SSR. The judge refused, saying the case is well known nationwide, so change of venue doesn’t matter.

Posted by: Cow Demon at August 10, 2025 07:13 PM (vm8sq)

31 Attorney Kirk has not read the FBI BRF report on the MSP pistol and incident. The MSP P.320 had 1) evidence of serious damage which must have occurred prior to the incident and 2) abrasion tool marks which suggest the incident was deliberately fabricated; a hoax.

The FBI Ballistic Research Facilities report on the Michigan State Police P320 shows an “abrasion” inside the trigger guard in its Figure 13. Quoting from page 14: “It was reported by MSP that the motor officer’s weapon impacted the ground during the transition program. However it is unknown if this caused the abrasion.”

An FBI BRF technician used keys to discharge a P.320 (this pistol?) in the Alien Gear holster. See Page 20 of the report. They describe discharging the weapon in the holster, using keys, which created an abrasion entirely similar to the abrasion in the incident pistol noted on Figure 13.

The FBI BRF were not going to rat out the MSP officer responsible for this hoax, but they came close.

The Michigan State Police announced on July 16th that they have fully adopted the SIG Sauer P.320/M18 pistol.

Posted by: 10x25mm at August 10, 2025 07:14 PM (XzYdr)

32 Perhaps not specifically related to fundamentals, I'd like to relate a conversation I had 5 months ago.

Questioner: "Spring is in the air. Is that a good thing?"

My answer: "It depends on the context. A beautiful day like today in March, yes."

"Cleaning my rifle, no."

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 10, 2025 07:14 PM (0sNs1)

33 A couple of Brits came to America and got invited aboard a boat by a perfect stranger, who took them out in the lake to see alligators, carried them over to a swimming spot, and - here's the most important part - let them shoot a gun for the first time. They had a blast. Maybe if we could bring a few thousand Brits over, provide them with the same experience, and then send them back, they could form the nucleus of a genuine rebellion against the UK's criminally woke government.

https://tinyurl.com/3drsmbwy

Posted by: Paco at August 10, 2025 07:15 PM (mADJX)

34 I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I got a Strikeman system. The hardware is fine but unless you pay for the "Pro" upgrade, the app is lame. But at least it isn't gay nor does it have a chick in it. Overall: C. Would not recommend.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 10, 2025 07:08 PM (3nLb4)

Odd,
I give mine a B. Agree with the app, but a careful set up makes it functional. After that it's all about FUNdamentals. My real issue with it is it gets boring.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 10, 2025 07:16 PM (2WIwB)

35 Still no shooting. Gonna be at least a couple of months before the tendons are healed enough to risk impact. Most of my friends are saying that I shouldn’t play with sharp things and should stick to guns…
Thanks you Weasel (as always) and a great week for the GunHorde

Posted by: Coelacanth at August 10, 2025 07:16 PM (idhMh)

36 Stopped by my local silencer manufacturer to pick up some accessories last week. (America, f#ck yeah!)

I asked how business was, prior to the $200 transfer tax dropping to zero on 1 Jan.

I was told the plant (I think they have a dozen guys working there) is running 40 hours a week as they ship inventory to dealers as fast as they can make it. They predict a rush of lay-away purchases in November, with ATF getting overwhelmed with applications in January.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at August 10, 2025 07:18 PM (bKn1x)

37 Barney's girlfriend on the old Andy Griffith Show. Actress Betty Lynn, who played Thelma Lou, at 18 was with the USO in the CBI theater in WWII. Scroll down for picture of her strapped. (And they let her have more than one bullet.)

https://is.gd/FHCG24

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Something Smells Funny In Here at August 10, 2025 07:18 PM (L/fGl)

38 Years into band leader Benny Goodman's career he was asked how he still plays the clarinet at top of the charts

BG answered. I practice the rudiments everyday..

Posted by: Captain Fantastic at August 10, 2025 07:18 PM (VPPG8)

39 Top 100! Nice thread weasel. Might be in a little bit of a food comma after that food thread and all of that cheese, tends to gum up the barrel.

Posted by: Rancherbob at August 10, 2025 07:21 PM (f7d4G)

40 Posted by: Rancherbob at August 10, 2025 07:21 PM (f7d4G)
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Howdy amigo! Time for a big nap?

Posted by: Weasel at August 10, 2025 07:22 PM (cmI4M)

41
"When you master the basics, and execute them well, there's no need to worry about the score."

-- Frank Sonnenberg

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 10, 2025 07:22 PM (0sNs1)

42 I do believe so, but the cowgirls played yesterday!

Posted by: Rancherbob at August 10, 2025 07:23 PM (f7d4G)

43 Howdy, Weasel!

Thanks for taking over the Sunday Morning Book Thread today.

I know it's in good hands with the Moron Horde.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 10, 2025 07:23 PM (IBQGV)

44 Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at August 10, 2025 07:23 PM (IBQGV)
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You bet!

Posted by: Weasel at August 10, 2025 07:26 PM (cmI4M)

45
"There is no shortage of opportunity. There is only a shortage of those who will apply themselves to the basics that success requires."

-- Jim Rohn

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 10, 2025 07:26 PM (0sNs1)

46
"If you spend too much time learning the 'tricks' of the trade, you may not learn the trade. There are no shortcuts. If you're working on finding a short cut, the easy way, you're not working hard enough on the fundamentals. You may get away with it for a spell, but there is no substitute for the basics. And the first basic is good, old fashioned hard work."

-- John Wooden

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 10, 2025 07:30 PM (0sNs1)

47 Range time this weekend consisted of taking my Colt Anaconda in.45 Long Colt (1995 production according to the serial number lookup on the Colt website) out to the range for zeroing. I had to cut the session short because I forgot to bring the right sized screwdriver so I could adjust the sights. The blade was a little too big for the sight screws.

Posted by: Ed L at August 10, 2025 07:30 PM (BCwQW)

48 Picked up a s&w 686 .357 magnum, 4inch barrel this week, haven't had a chance to check it out then get to a range.
It's replacing a s&w .38 snubbie, the sock draw gun.
Big hands don grip as well as they did, need something more comfortable. Doubt I'll ever shoot any .357, have a good stash of .38 and shooting is not as big a part of life as it once was.

Posted by: From about That Time at August 10, 2025 07:32 PM (08mxj)

49 "If you spend too much time learning the 'tricks' of the trade, you may not learn the trade. There are no shortcuts. If you're working on finding a short cut, the easy way, you're not working hard enough on the fundamentals. You may get away with it for a spell, but there is no substitute for the basics. And the first basic is good, old fashioned hard work."

-- John Wooden
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 10, 2025 07:30 PM (0sNs1)
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THIS!!!!

Posted by: Weasel at August 10, 2025 07:33 PM (cmI4M)

50 Mob surrounding my car.

In Seattle.

I will not wait until they break a window. As soon as my car starts getting pummeled by a bat, a tire iron, rocks,etc. I consider my life at risk and am putting my little lesburu into 4wd and getting tf out stat.

I’m supposed to wait until they break a window?

Oh. Hell. No.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 10, 2025 07:34 PM (mT+6a)

51 Palmetto State Armory, a very good deal to what was seeing elsewhere. Payment, ffl processing, shipping, all easy peasy.

Posted by: From about That Time at August 10, 2025 07:34 PM (08mxj)

52 In next week's chapter on metallurgy, Does Steel Shot Wear Out Your Shotgun Barrel Quicker Than Lead Shot?

Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at August 10, 2025 07:35 PM (9bq/n)

53 And the first basic is good, old fashioned hard work."

-- John Wooden
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 10, 2025 07:30 PM (0sNs1)
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THIS!!!!
Posted by: Weasel at August 10, 2025 07:33 PM

And in one post, we have summarized everything wrong with math instruction for the last 30 years or so.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 10, 2025 07:36 PM (Wnv9h)

54 Given that my range time is seriously limited now, I find that I rely solely on every single fundamental with each range visit. Including the one about slowing down (my own addition). It might surprise you that since doing so, the results are very satisfying and far less aggravating. One might even say "fun."

Posted by: The Grateful at August 10, 2025 07:36 PM (IQ6Gq)

55 Thanks for including that Brownells video on bore brushes. I never use steel brushes. A number of my guns are over a century old and others are rapidly approaching that mark. Bronze or nylon only. Better to use a good solvent and let it sit and do its job so the brush only has to push out the loosened fouling. If the ammo is old enough to use corrosive primers, some old surplus stuff for Mosin-Nagant rifles might qualify, I run a patch with plain water to neutralize the stuff first, followed by the usual cleaning routine.

Posted by: JTB at August 10, 2025 07:36 PM (yTvNw)

56 A couple of Brits came to America and got invited aboard a boat by a perfect stranger, who took them out in the lake to see alligators, carried them over to a swimming spot, and - here's the most important part - let them shoot a gun for the first time. They had a blast. Maybe if we could bring a few thousand Brits over, provide them with the same experience, and then send them back, they could form the nucleus of a genuine rebellion against the UK's criminally woke government.

https://tinyurl.com/3drsmbwy
Posted by: Paco at August 10, 2025 07:15 PM (mADJX)

Saw that clip. It made my heart happy (even though there is a nonzero chance it was staged). Freedom is a hard habit to break.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at August 10, 2025 07:37 PM (v23vE)

57 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Something Smells Funny In Here at August 10, 2025 07:18 PM (L/fGl)

OSS Detachment 101, the OSS special operations unit in the CBI, had to warn its members about the limits of the M1911 and its .45 ACP round. Detachment 101 HQ put up a warning saying that .45 ACP was not effective against tigers and to leave them alone. The warning said that shooting a tiger w/ .45 ACP would only make the tiger angry because tigers came with a bunch of built in anger.

Posted by: Ed L at August 10, 2025 07:38 PM (BCwQW)

58 Will someone please humor me and comment on how the diligent application of fundamentals has improved their shooting??

Pleeeeze?

I went to the local indoor 25 yard range to sight in my H&R M12 and try out some new ammo. I shot my best ever 5 shot group (with Wolfe Match Extra, if anyone cares). It's literally one, very slightly oval, hole. Barely distinguishable from the one shot group on the same paper. My take-away is that really concentrating on the sight picture, hold, and trigger pull is hard work and doing it 5 times in a row is non-trivial.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 10, 2025 07:39 PM (3nLb4)

59 And my tricked out Dan Wesson Pointman 7 is freaking awesome.

I wish I could bring it to Corsicana. But SeaTac is a freaking shitstorm and there is no way I trust them to not purposefully fuck it up.

If a Some Rat drives someday……

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 10, 2025 07:40 PM (mT+6a)

60 Posted by: The Grateful at August 10, 2025 07:36 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Starting slowly and building speed through methodical practice is important. If you aren't performing well, speed and volume of fire aren't going to help!

Posted by: Weasel at August 10, 2025 07:41 PM (cmI4M)

61 Hi Weasel, Hi all.

What I lack in aim I'll make up in volume.

Posted by: haffhowershower at August 10, 2025 07:43 PM (144I4)

62 Just stopping by to say Hi. Had to skip range day again because using a cane is no fun. 10 days to go and I imagine it will be a couple of weeks at least before I can get around well enough to get back in the saddle so to speak.
My son stopped by to help me get the condo ready and asked about where I was storing my guns. Pulled them out so he could handle them. He seemed to know what to do, holdng correctly and working the slide and when I pulled out the Kimber asked if he could dry fire it. I would love to get him to the range. He lives in DC and I think it would be wise to learn to shoot.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at August 10, 2025 07:44 PM (t/2Uw)

63 57 ... "The warning said that shooting a tiger w/ .45 ACP would only make the tiger angry because tigers came with a bunch of built in anger."

"No, no. If you shoot him you'll just make him mad."

Waco Kid to Sheriff Bart

Posted by: JTB at August 10, 2025 07:44 PM (yTvNw)

64 Range report:
I had cooked up a good 120 g 6.5 CM load, so I went to the range on Wednesday to see how it did at long range. As I drove there, my mind drifted back to last week, wherein I, as Secretary of the club, took the Minutes:
“Long Range closed on Wednesday through Friday for brush removal and target maintenance.”
I got there to see the sign, so I went over to the 300 to join 3 other guys who had not read the calendar.
I did shoot 5 rounds at the Dueling Tree paddles at 300, and they all went “clang”, so the trip was not wasted.
Heck, no range trip is wasted. So long as you employ those reading fundamentals.

Posted by: RI Red at August 10, 2025 07:45 PM (z1SIt)

65 After mucking about with the initial paperwork for a while, I got my silencer applications electronically submitted for ATF approval. It took two days for my approved applications to be sent to me via email.

Note that ATF probably only has a trickle of requests coming in right now, as many people are undoubtedly waiting for 1 Jan, when the price of a tax stamp drops to zero. Me, I'm expecting the shop shelves to be emptied of silencers and ATF to get backed up for months.

Remember the craze for Smith and Wesson .44 Magnums after Dirty Harry came out, and the Model 29 shortage that lasted for years? That's what I expect.

I now have two silencers in hand. And I discover they are costing me a fair amount of money which I hadn't planned on.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at August 10, 2025 07:46 PM (bKn1x)

66 A few weeks ago, I commented about a Ruger 1911 that was "shorting" an ejected round, when I cleared the chamber. That particular round would have the projectile "shoved" back into the casing.

It hasn't done that for the last 500 rounds.

A break-in thing ? Dunno'. That's something I've always heard people talk about, with any 1911. Break-in.

Not sending the gun back. Its always run great. Runs better every 100 rounds I send through it. I trust it.

Posted by: Free Thinker at August 10, 2025 07:47 PM (+rE2e)

67 Unless we get a Supreme Court ruling on suppressors, MA will never allow them. I have to wait until I move to NH.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 10, 2025 07:48 PM (Wnv9h)

68 Would think a 45acp in the nose would stop a tiger

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2025 07:48 PM (+qU29)

69 Here's an odd thought. Does anyone use tow to clean modern barrels? I only use tow and cotton patches to clean BP guns and it does a fine job. It would certainly eliminate worry about wearing out a barrel.

Posted by: JTB at August 10, 2025 07:49 PM (yTvNw)

70 JTB, “tow”?
Please define.
I am a moron.

Posted by: RI Red at August 10, 2025 07:51 PM (z1SIt)

71 JTB, “tow”? Please define.

Me too. I'll use a typical solvent, a brush, and patches. Don't know what "tow" is.

Posted by: Free Thinker at August 10, 2025 07:52 PM (+rE2e)

72 A few weeks ago, I commented about a Ruger 1911 that was "shorting" an ejected round, when I cleared the chamber. That particular round would have the projectile "shoved" back into the casing.

It hasn't done that for the last 500 rounds.

A break-in thing ? Dunno'. That's something I've always heard people talk about, with any 1911. Break-in.

Not sending the gun back. Its always run great. Runs better every 100 rounds I send through it. I trust it.
Posted by: Free Thinker
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Maybe you wore down a burr that was obstructing the freebore?
O r polished up the ramp through use?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 10, 2025 07:52 PM (/lPRQ)

73 Note that ATF probably only has a trickle of requests coming in right now, as many people are undoubtedly waiting for 1 Jan, when the price of a tax stamp drops to zero. Me, I'm expecting the shop shelves to be emptied of silencers and ATF to get backed up for months.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at August 10, 2025 07:46 PM (bKn1x)

My B&T dealer is thinking along the same lines. He thinks the holdup might not be w/ the ATF, but the manufacturers' ability to keep up with demand.

Posted by: Ed L at August 10, 2025 07:54 PM (BCwQW)

74 A few weeks ago, I commented about a Ruger 1911 that was "shorting" an ejected round, when I cleared the chamber. That particular round would have the projectile "shoved" back into the casing.

It hasn't done that for the last 500 rounds.

Thanks for the update. I asked a couple of times if we had heard back from you on the problem. Good to hear that it's working itself out.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 10, 2025 07:54 PM (3nLb4)

75 "Tow" is a fiber of the flax plant stem. It is the weight of cotton, but has longer, stiffer fibers, and can be reused.

In the early days of muzzleloading guns, "tow" was wrapped around the ramrod's jag and used for cleaning the bore.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 10, 2025 07:54 PM (0sNs1)

76 Unless we get a Supreme Court ruling on suppressors, MA will never allow them. I have to wait until I move to NH.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 10, 2025 07:48 PM (Wnv9h)

RMBS, you are the lucky recipient of this investment opportunity!
Initial Offering:
Red’s Reliable Rent To Own Suppressor Superstore!

Posted by: RI Red at August 10, 2025 07:55 PM (z1SIt)

77 Would think a 45acp in the nose would stop a tiger

Maybe, but that's a dang small target when you're rushed and the consequence of missing is high.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 10, 2025 07:56 PM (3nLb4)

78 Test...

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 10, 2025 07:58 PM (/lPRQ)

79 Would think a 45acp in the nose would stop a tiger
Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2025 07:48 PM (+qU29)

I think the problem was that Detachment 101 troops would "hunt" tigers while in the rear w/ HQ at night. A well-aimed shot at night in the jungle isn't going to happen.

Posted by: Ed L at August 10, 2025 07:59 PM (BCwQW)

80 35 Coelecanth -- Have considered just shooting .22 till the tendons heal? I even find I enjoy shooting air pistol from time to time. Dirt cheap too.

Posted by: Pooklord at August 10, 2025 07:59 PM (asU3w)

81 Posted by: Pooklord at August 10, 2025 07:59 PM (asU3w)
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Great suggestion!

Posted by: Weasel at August 10, 2025 08:00 PM (cmI4M)

82 75 "Tow" is a fiber of the flax plant stem. It is the weight of cotton, but has longer, stiffer fibers, and can be reused.

In the early days of muzzleloading guns, "tow" was wrapped around the ramrod's jag and used for cleaning the bore.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Thanks to Duncanthrax and JTB. Learned something. Used scrap linen before as patches but never knew 'tow' existed.

Posted by: whig at August 10, 2025 08:00 PM (ctrM5)

83 Would think a 45acp in the nose would stop a tiger
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Maybe, but that's a dang small target when you're rushed and the consequence of missing is high.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Hold until the barrel touches the back of the tiger's throat.

... and flax tow in nic... same stuff I remember. Looks like same stuffing for chair cushions about a hundred years old.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 10, 2025 08:01 PM (/lPRQ)

84 Thanks for the update. I asked a couple of times if we had heard back from you on the problem. Good to hear that it's working itself out.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 10, 2025 07:54 PM (3nLb4)

Well that's good of you to have asked. I appreciate that. I honestly think it was two problems acting as one problem.

And Problem #1 was I wasn't used to a 1911. You don't baby this gun. You don't treat it "gentle", as far as racking as such.

Problem #2, I think, was just break in. Related to Problem #1.

But this Ruger 1911, I swear, is a gateway drug. I just really, really like it. And now I got folks around me talking about Ed Brown and Les Baer and Dan Wesson (my dad had a .357 back in the day from him).

I'm a big, big fan of my first 1911.

Posted by: Free Thinker at August 10, 2025 08:01 PM (+rE2e)

85 77 Would think a 45acp in the nose would stop a tiger

Maybe, but that's a dang small target when you're rushed and the consequence of missing is high.
Posted by: Oddbob

A howdah pistol (fires shotgun shells) is too small when a tiger is coming at you.

Posted by: whig at August 10, 2025 08:01 PM (ctrM5)

86 I haven't shot a round in almost six months and I am going to be out about another four-six months. Started the cataract surgery process but before that I have to go through another eye surgery thingy. I was informed by the cataract eye doctor that I have Map-dot-fingerprint corneal dystrophy. I have never heard of that before but it basically means I have smudges on my cornea that need to be taken care of before cataract surgery can happen.

Probably going to be six months or more before I can get back to the gun range. The good news is I will not have to wear eyeglasses for distance vision after everything is done.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at August 10, 2025 08:02 PM (0N4FZ)

87 I'm a big, big fan of my first 1911.
Posted by: Free Thinker at August 10, 2025 08:01 PM (+rE2e)
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Welcome to the 1911 club and the Gun Thread!

Posted by: Weasel at August 10, 2025 08:02 PM (cmI4M)

88 I was a towhead youngun. Then my hair turnt brown. Now it’s turnt loose.

Posted by: Eromero at August 10, 2025 08:03 PM (LHPAg)

89 76 Unless we get a Supreme Court ruling on suppressors, MA will never allow them. I have to wait until I move to NH.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 10, 2025 07:48 PM (Wnv9h)

RMBS, you are the lucky recipient of this investment opportunity!
Initial Offering:
Red’s Reliable Rent To Own Suppressor Superstore!
Posted by: RI Red at August 10, 2025 07:55 PM (z1SIt)

My local freedom store, which sells suppressors, offered "conjugal visits" for suppressor customers at their range while the paperwork was working its way through the labyrinthine governmental process.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at August 10, 2025 08:04 PM (v23vE)

90 88 I was a towhead youngun. Then my hair turnt brown. Now it’s turnt loose.
Posted by: Eromero
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Better hair than teeth.

Posted by: whig at August 10, 2025 08:05 PM (ctrM5)

91 Would think a 45acp in the nose would stop a tiger

Maybe, but that's a dang small target when you're rushed and the consequence of missing is high.
Posted by: Oddbob at August 10, 2025 07:56 PM (3nLb4)
I remember hearing a story about Army engineers constructing the ALCAN highway back in the day. A grizzly bear was blocking a convoy, so somebody hosed it with a Thompson. It did the trick.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at August 10, 2025 08:05 PM (r36/K)

92 Weasel, I've got some stuff to do around here and an early wake up tomorrow for work. I'm calling it an early night tonight. Thanks for hosting, and see you next week!

Posted by: Ed L at August 10, 2025 08:05 PM (BCwQW)

93 I even find I enjoy shooting air pistol from time to time. Dirt cheap too.

Any decent (i.e. not a toy) air pistol or rifle will be accurate enough to really force you to work on fundamentals and let you know when you aren't.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 10, 2025 08:06 PM (3nLb4)

94 "And the first basic is good, old fashioned hard work."

You can't just ask AI?

Posted by: AI Commentator at August 10, 2025 08:07 PM (vFG9F)

95 What with the latest P320 news, I wonder is Sig is still doing recalls on their earliest models. Opinions?

Posted by: Eromero at August 10, 2025 08:07 PM (LHPAg)

96 Posted by: Ed L at August 10, 2025 08:05 PM (BCwQW)
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Thanks for being here Ed L. See you next week!

Posted by: Weasel at August 10, 2025 08:07 PM (cmI4M)

97 41 Duncanthrax -- this is an excellent quote. I tell new shooters, that the most important thing (besides safe handling) is to get off the shot correctly -- don't worry about the bullseye, just concentrate on proper technique and squeezing the trigger without flinch ruining the shot.

Concentrate on doing everything properly and hitting the center of the target will follow.

Posted by: Pooklord at August 10, 2025 08:08 PM (asU3w)

98 RMBS, you are the lucky recipient of this investment opportunity!
Initial Offering:
Red’s Reliable Rent To Own Suppressor Superstore!
Posted by: RI Red at August 10, 2025 07:55 PM

Killin' me, Red. 😂

The other day I was watching a Forgotten Weapons video on the Nielsen Device. The comments section had to be filled with Morons.

"Would a gun without a Nielsen Device be...naked?"

"Surely you can't be serious!

Etc.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 10, 2025 08:08 PM (Wnv9h)

99 Welcome to the 1911 club and the Gun Thread!

Posted by: Weasel at August 10, 2025 08:02 PM (cmI4M)

Also a big fan of the Remington 700 and Camp Atterbury and .308 and the 812 area code. Howdy - if you remember me.

Posted by: Free Thinker at August 10, 2025 08:08 PM (+rE2e)

100 Concentrate on doing everything properly and hitting the center of the target will follow.
Posted by: Pooklord at August 10, 2025 08:08 PM (asU3w)
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Yep! This is WeaselDoctrine!

Posted by: Weasel at August 10, 2025 08:09 PM (cmI4M)

101 I love the 1911 platform.

I have them in .45, ..9 and .380. The pistols perform flawlessly.

The thumb safety is a huge plus for me.

And I just seem to shoot them well.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 10, 2025 08:09 PM (mT+6a)

102 50 Nurse Ratched -- Where in Seattle? I still live in the Seattle area, but that city has gone so far downhill in the last 5 years. It was a much better place 30 years ago.

Posted by: Pooklord at August 10, 2025 08:10 PM (asU3w)

103 70 ... Tow is the waste left over from processing flax which makes linen cloth. The fibers are rather stiff and can scrub fouling in a barrel. It is cheap and was once more common than cotton and its wastes. Cloth in those days was expensive. A piece would be moistened, usually with water, wrapped around a slotted stick or a ramrod jag and used to wipe out the barrel. A little goes a long way. It is very light and can be dried and reused. Perfect to keep in a shooting pouch.

BTW, tow is a light yellow color. That's why blondes are sometimes called towheads.

Posted by: JTB at August 10, 2025 08:10 PM (yTvNw)

104 Also a big fan of the Remington 700 and Camp Atterbury and .308 and the 812 area code. Howdy - if you remember me.
Posted by: Free Thinker at August 10, 2025 08:08 PM (+rE2e)
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I made it to Atterbury once and have a bunch of pals who shoot there regularly- drop me an email!!

Posted by: Weasel at August 10, 2025 08:10 PM (cmI4M)

105 FWIW, Steel bore brushes (especially the closed loop Hoppes tornado line) can be used sparingly in older military surplus barrels that don't have gilt edged accuracy anyway. Grit, using jointed cleaning rods, and improper cleaning techniques (like not using boreguides, doing back and forth motions instead of one pass on a dirty bore before cleaning rod and brush, and so on. ) are more likely to cause damage to older used barrels than steel over brass/copper.

Rifle Boresnakes are for quick cleaning at the range and I prefer the Otis make as they have a steel cable in theirs so the cord cannot break leaving the cleaning bristles inside your bore.

Posted by: whig at August 10, 2025 08:11 PM (ctrM5)

106 And my tricked out Dan Wesson Pointman 7 is freaking awesome.

I wish I could bring it to Corsicana. But SeaTac is a freaking shitstorm and there is no way I trust them to not purposefully fuck it up.

If a Some Rat drives someday……
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 10, 2025 07:40 PM (mT+6a)

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Is that .45 nurse? Is CBD done gloating yet?

Posted by: haffhowershower at August 10, 2025 08:11 PM (144I4)

107 Spudboy, you may say, what are these additional costs for using a silencer?
1. A set of bore alignment rods. These are very straight rods of the appropriate caliber that you slip through the suppressor and into the bore. If the rod binds, it means the silencer is on crooked and very bad things will happen if you shoot a bullet through it.
2. A big pistol case that will hold my .22 pistol with the properly aligned silencer screwed onto it.
3. Subsonic .22 ammo. Standard velocity ammo still makes a noticeable "whoosh" noise. Subsonic ammo brings the noise to cap pistol level.
4. Muzzle devices. These are adapters that screw onto your centerfire rifle barrel, then the silencer screws onto them. they are semi-permanently installed, so you need one for each rifle you are going to suppress.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at August 10, 2025 08:12 PM (bKn1x)

108 A Marine told me a story of a patrol in Vietnam. SOP was if you needed to go to the bathroom, you took 2 men with you to stand security. Once, one of the new guys went out by himself. He hadn't returned when the order came to move out, so they went looking for him. Found his rifle, and some disturbed grass leading away. The platoon followed the track for 5 or so klicks, and found the new guy, dead, but looking very peaceful, although his uniform was very dirty, torn, and generally not STRAC.

One side of his head had two holes about 1/2" in diameter 6 or 7 inches apart, and the other side had the same two holes a little closer together.

A tiger had gotten his head and dragged him.

I took the moral of the story as don't go where here be tigers, and if you do, bring lots of friends, who are well-armed, and very well-practiced in the fundamentals.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 10, 2025 08:12 PM (0sNs1)

109 A piece would be moistened, usually with water, wrapped around a slotted stick or a ramrod jag and used to wipe out the barrel. A little goes a long way. It is very light and can be dried and reused. Perfect to keep in a shooting pouch.

BTW, tow is a light yellow color. That's why blondes are sometimes called towheads.
Posted by: JTB a
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Makes sense. Linen for whatever reason wicks better than cotton so linen is preferred if wiping down fine china, crystal, etc. than cotton.

Posted by: whig at August 10, 2025 08:12 PM (ctrM5)

110 I took the moral of the story as don't go where here be tigers, and if you do, bring lots of friends, who are well-armed, and very well-practiced in the fundamentals.
Posted by: Duncanthrax

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John Farnam's Three Rules of Stupid apply here.

Posted by: whig at August 10, 2025 08:14 PM (ctrM5)

111 Hey all y'all - seems like a slow nite and I feel like I'm getting a little bug, so I'm going to check out for a while. I'll try to pop back in later to say 'nite.

Posted by: Weasel at August 10, 2025 08:15 PM (cmI4M)

112 Oh, yeah, his neck was broken.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 10, 2025 08:16 PM (0sNs1)

113 BTW, tow is a light yellow color. That's why blondes are sometimes called towheads.
Posted by: JTB at August 10, 2025 08:10 PM (yTvNw)

Now that is why I come here. AOS lore and wisdom.

Posted by: RI Red at August 10, 2025 08:18 PM (o19x0)

114 Weasel feel better soon.
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I am checking out too. Long weekend and back is really acting up. Three doc visits this week. Plus xrays. Pretty soon I won't even need night sights--I will glow in the dark myself.

Posted by: whig at August 10, 2025 08:19 PM (ctrM5)

115 Have a good one, Weasel.

Thanks, as always, for a great Gun Thread!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 10, 2025 08:22 PM (Wnv9h)

116 Thanks all. Y'all can treat this as an open thread if you want. Thanks

Posted by: Weasel at August 10, 2025 08:25 PM (cmI4M)

117
I carried an M1 through Basic Training, qualified Expert through Trainfire with that weapon. Also discovered just how heavy it was carried over the head around the quadrant until my arms fell off after calling it a gun. Still, I was in love with it as much as I am with my current one.

They simply go bang when the trigger is pulled. Never in all the rounds fired in service to today has there ever been any malfunction.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at August 10, 2025 08:26 PM (hKoQL)

118 I'm a towhead. (Well, until I decided to be a redhead.) It never occurred to me to look up what the word meant. Thank you, JTB.

Posted by: Wenda at August 10, 2025 08:27 PM (/MyY+)

119 Breaking: "As a result of Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton's bribery investigation into Beto O'Rourke and George Soros, Judge Megan Fahey placed a lien on all of Beto's money and property. Her order also prevents him from raising additional money and distributing it to the rogue Democrats holding the State of Texas hostage."

Beto, as you may remember, would like to have your AR-15.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 10, 2025 08:29 PM (0sNs1)

120 Duncanthrax, uh-oh, possibility of a low comment count tonight.

Posted by: haffhowershower at August 10, 2025 08:29 PM (144I4)

121
Beto, as you may remember, would like to have your AR-15.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 10, 2025 08:29 PM (0sNs1)

When he’s not lying about it, that is.

Posted by: Cow Demon at August 10, 2025 08:30 PM (vm8sq)

122 I carried an M1 through Basic Training, qualified Expert through Trainfire with that weapon.

I absolutely hated the M-16 A2 that they gave us. Hated the round, hated the rifle. Absolutely did not like anything about it - right down to the pistol grip.

Hated it so much, I own a Springfield M1A Standard. A re-issue M-14. Now that's a rifle. Have hog hunted with it all day many days. If I could only grab one ? I'd grab that M1A ... or an M-14.

Posted by: Free Thinker at August 10, 2025 08:31 PM (+rE2e)

123 If needed, I can generate random commentary flavored with boobs, guns, and penguins.

Posted by: AI Commentator at August 10, 2025 08:31 PM (vFG9F)

124 Howdy all. Another great thread, weasel.

Posted by: Pickled at August 10, 2025 08:33 PM (JP0DI)

125 Duncanthrax, uh-oh, possibility of a low comment count tonight.
Posted by: haffhowershower at August 10, 2025 08:29 PM

Yah. However, my understanding is that The Gun Thread so convincingly demonstrated its superiority over The Food Thread that Ace capitulated, and removed it as one of Weasel's metrics.

That doesn't mean that Weasel is immune from 0700 hrs ET Zoom rants and raves from Ace, but apparently GT comment count vis-a-vis The Food Thread is not something that needs strike fear into Weasel's heart for the time being.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 10, 2025 08:34 PM (0sNs1)

126 The Michigan State Police announced on July 16th that they have fully adopted the SIG Sauer P.320/M18 pistol.
Posted by: 10x25mm at August 10, 2025 07:14 PM (XzYdr)

Houston PD is done with the P320 as of 30 Sep. All cops must switch to something else by then.

Posted by: Cow Demon at August 10, 2025 08:36 PM (vm8sq)

127 Hey weasel,

With so many COBs bowing out for various reasons,

I just want to say THANK YOU. There would be no GT without you. You have this unique perspective, a world renouned shooter and championship world record holding coach….. and you give us your time every week.

You’re awesome. And I appreciate you and your efforts.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 10, 2025 08:37 PM (MIzYE)

128 A tiger had gotten his head and dragged him.

I took the moral of the story as don't go where here be tigers, and if you do, bring lots of friends, who are well-armed, and very well-practiced in the fundamentals.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 10, 2025 08:12 PM (0sNs1)

Cats always find monkeys that turn their back irresistible. Even a house cat will approach you about half the time if you turn your back and squat down.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 10, 2025 08:39 PM (rbvCR)

129 Yup, thx, Weasel. We do appreciate you.

Posted by: RI Red at August 10, 2025 08:40 PM (h87eb)

130 Good evening gub threaders and all the ships at sea!

Posted by: blaster at August 10, 2025 08:40 PM (RoO7G)

131 Of course the Food Thread has many comments this week. They were talking about cheese!

Posted by: Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey. at August 10, 2025 08:41 PM (bKn1x)

132 Double ditto Weasel, thank you.

Posted by: haffhowershower at August 10, 2025 08:43 PM (144I4)

133 125 Duncanthrax, uh-oh, possibility of a low comment count tonight.
Posted by: haffhowershower at August 10, 2025 08:29 PM

Yah. However, my understanding is that The Gun Thread so convincingly demonstrated its superiority over The Food Thread that Ace capitulated, and removed it as one of Weasel's metrics.

That doesn't mean that Weasel is immune from 0700 hrs ET Zoom rants and raves from Ace, but apparently GT comment count vis-a-vis The Food Thread is not something that needs strike fear into Weasel's heart for the time being.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 10, 2025 08:34 PM (0sNs1)

Oh, good, I was worried. Kept waking up at 0700 on Mondays in sympathy to Weasel's plight. (But then I trudged to the bathroom, pumped bilges, and went back to sleep...)

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at August 10, 2025 08:46 PM (v23vE)

134 Houston PD is done with the P320 as of 30 Sep. All cops must switch to something else by then.

Posted by: Cow Demon at August 10, 2025 08:36 PM (vm8sq)

Its striker. If you want to run a striker ? Can't get any better than Glock. I hate 'em. But they work.

There is movement, in the market, back to hammer-fired. I'm a hammer guy. That's an extra action that helps in a myriad of ways.

Posted by: Free Thinker at August 10, 2025 08:46 PM (+rE2e)

135 Yah. However, my understanding is that The Gun Thread so convincingly demonstrated its superiority over The Food Thread that Ace capitulated, and removed it as one of Weasel's metrics.

That doesn't mean that Weasel is immune from 0700 hrs ET Zoom rants and raves from Ace, but apparently GT comment count vis-a-vis The Food Thread is not something that needs strike fear into Weasel's heart for the time being.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 10, 2025 08:34 PM (0sNs1)

And since linen was being discussed, I guess a low thread count won't result in the sheet hitting the fan.

Posted by: haffhowershower at August 10, 2025 08:46 PM (144I4)

136 Honest Outlaw recently released a 1000 round review of the new Springfield Kuna 'personal defense weapon'. You'd think he would have dinged it pretty bad based on how he ragged on the ergononics and broke the stock off in his single drop 'test'... But he gve it a 9.5/10.

That's Kuna. Pronounced 'tuna'.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 10, 2025 08:46 PM (/lPRQ)

137 And since linen was being discussed, I guess a low thread count won't result in the sheet hitting the fan.
Posted by: haffhowershower at August 10, 2025 08:46 PM

* golf clap *

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 10, 2025 08:50 PM (0sNs1)

138 I was a towhead youngun. Then my hair turnt brown. Now it’s turnt loose.
Posted by: Eromero

That's the only context I've heard the term used in.

Adult blonds/blondes aren't called "towheads." Blond/blonde toddlers whose hair darkens up over the next few years are "towheads."

Maybe that's just an upper-midwest, Minnesota thing, since all the Norwegian and Swedish (and German) folk around here mean blondes are really common.

Posted by: mikeski at August 10, 2025 08:50 PM (DgGvY)

139 While in search of subsonic .22 ammo, in a small town, on a Sunday, I joked with the clerk at the firearms counter that they would soon need to pay people to take Sig P320s.

I was told, in no uncertain terms, that there is nothing wrong with them, they were still being adopted by police agencies, and all the news coverage was lies and exaggerations.

I suspect he has a bunch of them sitting in the back storeroom.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at August 10, 2025 08:50 PM (bKn1x)

140 I own a couple of P320s neither of which have shot anyone or ever without the trigger being pulled. (Forgive any typos my laptop is hors de combat and gunthread is the only thing I really used it for much lately so not yet replaced).

I think the P320/M18 is not "inherently dangerous" as some people even some I like and respect are saying. I suspect that within the tolerances of manufacturing and wear that sometimes one - and there are LOTS of them - has an incident. I think social media has amplified those few incidents and Sigs response that what we could see on video (drop test not screw in trigger) was not happening was bad because no one likes to be gaslighted. I guarantee there have been way more incidents of wounding and death accidentally by military and police with 1911s than P320s and no one is saying I'd never carry a 1911. Well probably some are but not in that context.

Sometimes things don't work as designed. I've seen a 1911 go full auto at a range and that was not how it was designed.

Posted by: blaster at August 10, 2025 08:51 PM (RoO7G)

141 Is that .45 nurse? Is CBD done gloating yet?
Posted by: haffhowershower

It is a .45. And it is fantastic.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 10, 2025 08:52 PM (hC7dH)

142 Breaking: "As a result of Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton's bribery investigation into Beto O'Rourke and George Soros, Judge Megan Fahey placed a lien on all of Beto's money and property. Her order also prevents him from raising additional money and distributing it to the rogue Democrats holding the State of Texas hostage."

Beto, as you may remember, would like to have your AR-15.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 10, 2025 08:29 PM

And talking of TX, Brandon Herrera just announced he's challenging the RINO Tony Gonzalez again. This should be fun.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 10, 2025 08:52 PM (Wnv9h)

143 Evening, Gun Thread Morons, Ettes, and, of course, our esteemed host.

Weather chased me inside, but not before I got nearly all the dead wood into the burn barrel. Yard looking much better now.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 10, 2025 08:54 PM (1SApS)

144 Fwiw, Dr Syn aka the Scarecrow is streaming on YouTube. 1963 Wonderful World of Disney (three episodes tacked together). Non woke Patrick McGoogan stars.

Posted by: whig's phone at August 10, 2025 08:54 PM (ctrM5)

145 I think the P320/M18 is not "inherently dangerous" as some people even some I like and respect are saying.

Not a damn one of them shoot anybody of their own free will. Let any of these guns start popping off on their own ? I'll be the first one cutting the barrels off my own. I feel the same about my kitchen knives. And my lawn mowers. And air tools. You get it.

Yet ... I don't like a striker gun. Also don't like a big radial chop saw.

Posted by: Free Thinker at August 10, 2025 08:55 PM (+rE2e)

146 Looks like an Airman was arrested at Warren AFB for involuntary manslaughter and making a false official statement. This in connection to the death of an Airman from the M18.

Was that shooting accidental? We shall see…
Posted by: Cow Demon at August 10, 2025 07:05 PM (vm8sq)

And isn't the arrested Airman an Air-wo-man?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 10, 2025 08:56 PM (1SApS)

147 That's Kuna. Pronounced 'tuna'.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 10, 2025 08:46 PM (/lPRQ)

There is a small farm town, rapidly becoming a suburb of Boise, called Kuna, not too far from me. I snicker every time I see that name on Springfield Armory's gun.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at August 10, 2025 08:57 PM (bKn1x)

148 143 Evening, Gun Thread Morons, Ettes, and, of course, our esteemed host.

Weather chased me inside, but not before I got nearly all the dead wood into the burn barrel. Yard looking much better now.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Hello, fine sir.

I was chased in due to the intense sunshine and debilitating heat on the beach. I lasted 2 1/2 hours in my chair listening to the baseball game. I returned home a limp dishrag.

Must have been 80 degrees out there.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 10, 2025 08:57 PM (mT+6a)

149 Well, the Communist twink DA in Travis County is still harassing him and prosecuting him for “deadly conduct”, which is a misdemeanor punishable by up to a tear in jail.

Perry’s defense attorney filed for a charge of venue, arguing the case was too well known in the Travis County SSR. The judge refused, saying the case is well known nationwide, so change of venue doesn’t matter.
Posted by: Cow Demon at August 10, 2025 07:13 PM (vm8sq)

If more pardons are forthcoming, I can see a solution open to Perry.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 10, 2025 08:58 PM (1SApS)

150 Also re the AF incident. The command the airman was in suspended use of the pistol after the incident. Some people think that means "see the AF knows the gun is unsafe." Maybe,maybe not. The military is astonishingly risk averse in peacetime. I've seen use of Humvees on post restricted after a Humvee accident. Didn't mean the vehicle was unsafe.

Also we don't know what happened. People say he laid his gun belt on a table and the pistol fired and killed him. Again maybe, maybe not. The base is a missile base in Wyoming and he was an SP and SPs on missile bases have fairly high incidence of suicide. I had a friend who was senior NCO of missileer SPs and he told me that a long time ago. All alone in the middle of nowhere walking a post or sitting in a small listening post. This is not to cast aspersions on the airman. But if it was a suicide the AF would not come right out and announce that for a number of reasons.

Just saying we don't know what happened and neither do the Guntubers saying "this changes everything."

Posted by: blaster at August 10, 2025 09:01 PM (RoO7G)

151 "Towhead" is also the name of a small island on a river that has trees growing on it, the upstream point gathers wood and pretty much everything else floating downstream, so it tends to get sort of "shaggy"

Posted by: Kindltot at August 10, 2025 09:02 PM (rbvCR)

152 Bladter, If the Sig factory will do whatever fix/re-work they have come up with for my early P320 I’ll keep it.

Posted by: Eromero at August 10, 2025 09:02 PM (LHPAg)

153 >>That's the only context I've heard the term used in.

Look up tow and hemp.

I say this as a lifelong towhead.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 10, 2025 09:03 PM (viF8m)

154 My personal arsenal consists of an M1,
M1A, Ithaca 37, 1911A1 and a Colt Woodsman.

I do fair with them for an amateur.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at August 10, 2025 09:06 PM (hKoQL)

155 The Rockies lost.

Posted by: gKWVE at August 10, 2025 09:07 PM (gKWVE)

156 The Rockies lost.

Damn. Next thing you know the sun will set in the west.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 10, 2025 09:09 PM (3nLb4)

157 Tow are the short fibers, combed out of the longer ones using a hackle. They used to make rope with tow. And with some methods of processing flax, the long fibers look like blonde hair.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 10, 2025 09:10 PM (kUxzU)

158 Houston PD is done with the P320 as of 30 Sep. All cops must switch to something else by then.

Interpreted dance?

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at August 10, 2025 09:11 PM (cXyzu)

159 On the happier side: at dinner last night 24 yo son (who is btw working at an actual job and not just living in our basement playing video games anymore Hallelujah!) says he wants to purchase a handgun. Specifically a Glock. But you know, a gun.

Well son, you've come to the right place to ask. Your mama (sra blaster) doesn't like Glocks and can't shoot them. But what are you thinking of. A G17 he says. Well do you want to carry or a nightstand gun? Carry. Well you probably want a G19. Hang on. (Sigh. Video game experience)

Well we don't have any actual Glocks but I do have one that I umm, printed and a PSA Dagger kitted to be a steel shoot competition gun. Here's an Sig P365 XL for comparison.

I explained to him the value prop of a PSA Dagger and as someone who has recently started working it sounded like something more palatable than a "real" Glock. And I explained only available on the internet and how he as a member at our range got a discount on transfers.

He's about ready to, err, pull the trigger.

Teach your children well.

Posted by: blaster at August 10, 2025 09:12 PM (RoO7G)

160 152 Bladter, If the Sig factory will do whatever fix/re-work they have come up with for my early P320 I’ll keep it.
Posted by: Eromero at August 10, 2025 09:02 PM (LHPAg)

E is that a recall gun? I know they didn't recall them. Just offered a free "update" for certain dates of manufacture.

Posted by: blaster at August 10, 2025 09:14 PM (RoO7G)

161 Ithaca 37.
Posted by: IRONGRAMPA
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I have an early Deerslayer, myself.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 10, 2025 09:15 PM (XeU6L)

162 E and anyone else interested-

https://tinyurl.com/2ujbusvf

Appears to be available for all P320s regardless of manufacturing date.

Posted by: blaster at August 10, 2025 09:18 PM (RoO7G)

163 On the happier side: at dinner last night 24 yo son (who is btw working at an actual job and not just living in our basement playing video games anymore Hallelujah!) says he wants to purchase a handgun. Specifically a Glock. But you know, a gun.

Well son, you've come to the right place to ask.

He's about ready to, err, pull the trigger.

Teach your children well.
Posted by: blaster at August 10, 2025 09:12 PM (RoO7G)

Excellent parenting there, blaster and sra blaster!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at August 10, 2025 09:21 PM (v23vE)

164 Guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 10, 2025 09:23 PM (xcxpd)

165 Well we don't have any actual Glocks but I do have one that I umm, printed and a PSA Dagger kitted to be a steel shoot competition gun. Here's an Sig P365 XL for comparison.

I explained to him the value prop of a PSA Dagger and as someone who has recently started working it sounded like something more palatable than a "real" Glock. And I explained only available on the internet and how he as a member at our range got a discount on transfers.

He's about ready to, err, pull the trigger.

Teach your children well.
Posted by: blaster at August 10, 2025 09:12 PM (RoO7G)

Urge him to avoid one of the Ghetto Glocks with the horizontal hold knob on it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 10, 2025 09:24 PM (I4OId)

166 Ruger RXM is pretty much a Gen 3 Glock 19 clone, is very reasonably priced, and if something is wrong with it you have a big company with a good reputation for warranty work.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at August 10, 2025 09:24 PM (bKn1x)

167 E and anyone else interested-

https://tinyurl.com/2ujbusvf

Thanks for that. Mine appears to have the low-mass trigger so I assume it's either been upgraded or manufactured post-upgrade but I'll run the number just in case.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 10, 2025 09:25 PM (3nLb4)

168 Well, there is enough Clamato juice in the fridge to make one more Caesar. Coincidence? I think not.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 10, 2025 09:25 PM (I4OId)

169 Quick range report, before thread dies:
Last week, did Church Gun drills - draw+fire. The PSA MicroDagger remains very accurate. It's a bit snappy with 147 gr but...not terrible.

This week was mostly .22 drills with my CZ P-07. Good groupings. Also did some 147 grain drills with the CZ. The DA/SA trigger is still inferior to a striker fired mechanism but I'm familiar enough with the CZ to get good hits, but a bit slower than I'd have gotten with a striker. Good gun though, overall.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 10, 2025 09:25 PM (xcxpd)

170 Learn to format.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 10, 2025 09:27 PM (jxs9b)

171 166 Ruger RXM is pretty much a Gen 3 Glock 19 clone, is very reasonably priced, and if something is wrong with it you have a big company with a good reputation for warranty work.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at August 10, 2025 09:24 PM (bKn1x)

All true.
I've seen 6k torture tests with the RXM. That's sufficient for me.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 10, 2025 09:27 PM (xcxpd)

172 If more pardons are forthcoming, I can see a solution open to Perry.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 10, 2025 08:58 PM (1SApS)

Yeah, but it’s worth remembering that the Governor in TX has NO power to pardon without approval but the Board of Pardons and Paroles. So Perry will sit on jail while waiting on the process to work.

Word to the wise: I hate it, with a passion, but be aware of the jurisdiction you are in when carrying. If it were me, the Commie twink is out as DA.

Posted by: Cow Demon at August 10, 2025 09:28 PM (vm8sq)

173 Just saying we don't know what happened and neither do the Guntubers saying "this changes everything."

Posted by: blaster at August 10, 2025 09:01 PM (RoO7G)

The entire reason behind me posting what I posted, right there.

Posted by: Cow Demon at August 10, 2025 09:30 PM (vm8sq)

174 I think I will leave my P320 unmodified. When the day comes, I will fully load it and toss it into the enemy's trench. Per current conventional wisdom, it should do in a dozen of them by the time I can crawl forward.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at August 10, 2025 09:32 PM (bKn1x)

175 I think I will leave my P320 unmodified. When the day comes, I will fully load it and toss it into the enemy's trench. Per current conventional wisdom, it should do in a dozen of them by the time I can crawl forward.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at August 10, 2025 09:32 PM (bKn1x)

LOL. If it seems stupid at first, but it works, it's not stupid.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at August 10, 2025 09:34 PM (v23vE)

176 The post of governor of Texas lost a lot of the usual power of a governor because Sam Houston was governor when Texas seceded and he, Sam Houston, opposed it. They forced him out of office over it and curtailed a lot of the power of the governorship while they were at it. Houston died in 1863 before the end of the war.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 10, 2025 09:35 PM (ZVgZ4)

177 Feel better, Weasel. I’ll be praying for you this evening.

Good idea with the .22., and one I think I’ll follow up with. Have to get a friend to the range anyway. Due to a cataract in his right eye that no one wants to touch, he’s going to have to be a left hand shooter. Have to get him tuned up for deer hunting this fall

Posted by: Coelacanth at August 10, 2025 09:35 PM (ld07g)

178 At church service today our pastor said they were looking for people to support various positions in the ministry as they are expanding the number of services. Among the things he said was "we need people for the security team, you know the guys who are packing. I know some of you are packing right now."

I was surprised by this. Our pastor does not bring up politics often but my perception is that he is liberal and I suspect that our Northern Virginia congregation is mostly liberal.

But he also said later in the service that he wanted more of the congregation to move from consumer to service and that if you heard a calling today you should volunteer.

I think I heard my calling.

Posted by: blaster at August 10, 2025 09:36 PM (RoO7G)

179 154 My personal arsenal consists of an M1,
M1A, Ithaca 37, 1911A1 and a Colt Woodsman.

I do fair with them for an amateur.
Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at August 10, 2025 09:06 PM (hKoQL)

Proven technology there.
You can't better the Ithaca, there are better rifle and pistol options but they're effective enough. If you like them and train with them, all good.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 10, 2025 09:37 PM (xcxpd)

180 176 The post of governor of Texas lost a lot of the usual power of a governor because Sam Houston was governor when Texas seceded and he, Sam Houston, opposed it. They forced him out of office over it and curtailed a lot of the power of the governorship while they were at it. Houston died in 1863 before the end of the war.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 10, 2025 09:35 PM (ZVgZ4)

Nope. A little later, with the Governorship of Edmund J. Davis. He was seen to be quite the tyrant. He even refused to leave office when Richard Coke was elected governor. In 1876, the TX Constutution therefore sharply curtailed the powers of the governor. Thanks to the Fergusons, the office lost the power to pardon.

Posted by: Cow Demon at August 10, 2025 09:39 PM (vm8sq)

181 Yup, definite post-upgrade. I'll continue to watch developments but I think I'm satisfied with my acquisition.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 10, 2025 09:40 PM (3nLb4)

182 Someone mentioned having 1911 fever. Beware of its expensive variant, Turkish 1911 Clone Disease. Symptoms include:
1. Prowling the Internet sites of distributors, looking for "good deals" at all hours of the day and night.
2. Buying multiple copies of a model, when they are "fantastic deals."
3. Discovering your FFL transfer dealer has your number on speed dial.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at August 10, 2025 09:42 PM (bKn1x)

183 And to weigh in on the SIG P320....I have a civilian version with a Romeo One red dot mounted. I called it my Robocop gun as it's a big boy and looked pretty high tech when I bought it.

I don't like it.

But, being fair, I've put near 2k rounds through it with ZERO malfunctions. That's impressive. It groups consistently and precisely. Sometimes even where I wanted it to group.

I don't like the trigger, I don't like the lack of trigger safety, I don't consider it drop safe and I don't carry it.

But it does some things well. I doubt I'll ever be able to sell it or give it to a relative in good conscience.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 10, 2025 09:45 PM (xcxpd)

184 180 176 The post of governor of Texas lost a lot of the usual power of a governor because Sam Houston was governor when Texas seceded and he, Sam Houston, opposed it. They forced him out of office over it and curtailed a lot of the power of the governorship while they were at it. Houston died in 1863 before the end of the war.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 10, 2025 09:35 PM (ZVgZ4)

Nope. A little later, with the Governorship of Edmund J. Davis. He was seen to be quite the tyrant. He even refused to leave office when Richard Coke was elected governor. In 1876, the TX Constutution therefore sharply curtailed the powers of the governor. Thanks to the Fergusons, the office lost the power to pardon.
Posted by: Cow Demon at August 10, 2025 09:39 PM (vm8sq)

Would that be the wickedly corrupt Ma and Pa Ferguson?

(Also, thank you)

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 10, 2025 09:47 PM (xcxpd)

185 TTG. Night, Weasel, night, all.

Posted by: RI Red at August 10, 2025 09:49 PM (o19x0)

186 Any thoughts on the sig p365 axg legion? I don't know why, but it gives me a stiffy. I'm feeling the pull to have one.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at August 10, 2025 09:54 PM (snZF9)

187 blaster, did the pastor say this from the pulpit?

Posted by: screaming in digital at August 10, 2025 09:58 PM (7HoOO)

188 Any thoughts on the sig p365 axg legion?

Not that specific variant but a friend of mine has some model of the 365 that he likes a lot. Don't let any of the current P320 issues (real or not) put you off the 365. They are completely different platforms.

Posted by: Oddbob at August 10, 2025 10:01 PM (3nLb4)

189 I have a P365X macro, which is not the legion, but I love it. No complaints at all.

Posted by: The Grateful at August 10, 2025 10:05 PM (IQ6Gq)

190
Would that be the wickedly corrupt Ma and Pa Ferguson?

(Also, thank you)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 10, 2025 09:47 PM (xcxpd)
Why, yes. Governor Abbott cannot even pardon on his own. Thank you, Ma and Pa Corrupt As Fuck Ferguson. You are EXACTLY correct.

Posted by: Cow Demon at August 10, 2025 10:05 PM (vm8sq)

191 Thanks for the correction Cow Demon!

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 10, 2025 10:10 PM (ZVgZ4)

192 Tow are the short fibers, combed out of the longer ones using a hackle. They used to make rope with tow. And with some methods of processing flax, the long fibers look like blonde hair.

So, I assume that this is where tow ropes originated.

Posted by: Pod Hamp at August 10, 2025 10:11 PM (91+Ul)

193 What Cow Demon said. Every kid in Texas takes TX history and knows about EJ Davis

Posted by: gKWVE at August 10, 2025 10:14 PM (gKWVE)

194 I would note that the 1876 constitution was the first post-Reconstruction constitution for Texas, so it was the first to put in place in the Union ideas engendered by Houston’s defiance while in office. What did they do during the confederacy? As far as I know they didn’t let Sam Houston do anything. YMMV.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 10, 2025 10:21 PM (ZVgZ4)

195 I didn’t take Texas history so maybe that’s why I have unorthodox notions about what I’ve read about it. Contrarily maybe people who take the course have the orthodox view of what caused what.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 10, 2025 10:23 PM (ZVgZ4)

196 As far as I know they didn’t let Sam Houston do anything. YMMV.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 10, 2025 10:21 PM (

Sam Houston packed up and went to Huntsville after his office was declared vacant because he refused to take an oath of loyalty to the Confederacy. He was basically shunned by the populace but he was offered the Steamboat House, where he lived until July 20, 1863, when he died at the age of 70, convinced he was a failure.

Posted by: Cow Demon at August 10, 2025 10:25 PM (vm8sq)

197 I was in Arizona when state and territorial history was taught so that’s why what I know about Texas comes from independent reading. I placed out of having to take Texas government at TAMU by placing out of it by test. I read a textbook before the exam. Maybe I should do that for Texas history too!

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 10, 2025 10:27 PM (ZVgZ4)

198 197 I was in Arizona when state and territorial history was taught so that’s why what I know about Texas comes from independent reading. I placed out of having to take Texas government at TAMU by placing out of it by test. I read a textbook before the exam. Maybe I should do that for Texas history too!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at August 10, 2025 10:27 PM (ZVgZ4)

If you can, grab “Sword of San Jacinto” by Marshall de Bruhl. Sam Houston bio. Enjoy.

Posted by: Cow Demon at August 10, 2025 10:33 PM (vm8sq)

199 "Starting slowly and building speed through methodical practice is important. If you aren't performing well, speed and volume of fire aren't going to help!"

Slow is smooth, smooth is fast

Posted by: Fenrisulven at August 10, 2025 11:00 PM (ciYHQ)

200 "In 1876, the TX Constitution therefore sharply curtailed the powers of the governor."

Hmmm. My first job out of college was working for Lt Gov Hobby (the Republicans were only hiring each other's Mistresses heh). I was told the Dems kept losing elections for Governor so they stripped it and gave its powers to the Lt Gov's office. But your version sounds more credible.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at August 10, 2025 11:24 PM (ciYHQ)

201 Hmmm. My first job out of college was working for Lt Gov Hobby (the Republicans were only hiring each other's Mistresses heh). I was told the Dems kept losing elections for Governor so they stripped it and gave its powers to the Lt Gov's office. But your version sounds more credible.
Posted by: Fenrisulven at August 10, 2025 11:24 PM (ciYHQ)

Hah! During that time, possibly, the Governor of TX was William J. Clements. (Hobby was Lt Gov his whole term IIRC). He was the first Republican governor of TX since…Edmund J. Davis, the man that inspired Texans of the time to strip the governorship of so much power in the 1876 Constitution, still in force today.

Posted by: Cow Demon at August 11, 2025 12:19 AM (vm8sq)

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