Mid-Morning Art Thread

Christ's Charge to Peter
Raffaello Sanzio da Urbino

This is 11¼ x 17½ feet (or 344cm x 534 cm in sclerotic Eurotrash measure), and there are seven of them. Yeah, that's big. And impressive. The dude could paint!

From the Victoria & Albert Museum website:

The Raphael Cartoons are a set of seven full-scale designs for tapestry painted by Raphael (1483 – 1520), and are considered one of the greatest treasures of the Renaissance. They were commissioned in 1515 by Pope Leo X for the Vatican’s Sistine Chapel and depict the lives of the apostles Saint Peter and Saint Paul.

Posted by: CBD at 09:30 AM

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1 st!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2025 09:30 AM (kgE5c)

2 Not 1st.

Posted by: Bulg at August 14, 2025 09:31 AM (77rzZ)

3 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at August 14, 2025 09:31 AM (Zz0t1)

4 I'll bet they kept tho local dry cleaners busy.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 14, 2025 09:31 AM (dDmld)

5 SPONGE!!!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2025 09:31 AM (kgE5c)

6 The Others have been summoned.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2025 09:31 AM (kgE5c)

7 Beautiful.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 14, 2025 09:32 AM (bss/y)

8 Get Jesus out of the way so I can check out those sexy sheep!

Posted by: Muslim Man at August 14, 2025 09:32 AM (JCZqz)

9 I knew it was Rafael , without even seeing the post.

Posted by: runner at August 14, 2025 09:32 AM (g47mK)

10 Looks like someone forgot their card's PIN code!

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at August 14, 2025 09:32 AM (ltFMw)

11 Christ does not skip arm day. Damn, Savior!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 14, 2025 09:33 AM (bss/y)

12 No halo.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 14, 2025 09:33 AM (RIvkX)

13 Thought Bubble: 💭

"Oh no. The off-the-shoulder look is coming back."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 14, 2025 09:33 AM (dDmld)

14 I see eleven apostles !

Posted by: Jean-Luc Picard at August 14, 2025 09:33 AM (g47mK)

15 "You fargin icehole!"

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at August 14, 2025 09:33 AM (Zz0t1)

16 "This is 11¼ x 17½ feet"
Impressive!

Posted by: redridinghood at August 14, 2025 09:33 AM (NpAcC)

17 SPONGE!!!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2025 09:31 AM (kgE5c)

*fistbump*

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at August 14, 2025 09:34 AM (Zz0t1)

18 Leo Weiser>>>Pope Leo X.

Posted by: Automobile Club of America at August 14, 2025 09:34 AM (G5+As)

19 Jesus forgot to warn the apostles against wearing red uniform robes

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 14, 2025 09:34 AM (Ggh7Z)

20 The only thing I remember from the Victoria and Albert Museum was their reproduction of Trajan’s Column.

Posted by: Bulg at August 14, 2025 09:34 AM (77rzZ)

21 The one apostle's cloak looks like a mistake. Like the painter could not decide between pink and blue.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 14, 2025 09:35 AM (bss/y)

22 "You were Simon. Now you are Peter."

"You were Larry. Now you are Pinto."

Posted by: Eric Stratton, Rush Chairman at August 14, 2025 09:35 AM (dDmld)

23 As I walked around Rome, looking at art all over the place, I would often thing, "This would be good for CBD to do."

I noted almost none of them down in ways to remember, though. Seeing him choose a religious subject, though, I'm brought to recommend.

Perhaps this one?

https://is.gd/VpL3O0

I went to mass in the church in which it hung.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 09:36 AM (GBKbO)

24 11¼ x 17½ feet

Big painting. Big money.

Posted by: dantesed at August 14, 2025 09:36 AM (Oy/m2)

25 The one apostle's cloak looks like a mistake. Like the painter could not decide between pink and blue.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

1st known case of washing lights & darks together?

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2025 09:36 AM (Bs2bL)

26 "You, Peter, shall supply the snacks."

Posted by: Jesus H. Christ at August 14, 2025 09:36 AM (dDmld)

27
1st known case of washing lights & darks together?
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2025 09:36 AM (Bs2bL)

You should see the river.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at August 14, 2025 09:37 AM (Zz0t1)

28 It's a bit blurry or am I going blind?

Still, good subject matter so It gets a place on the wall next to the doggos playing poker.

Posted by: Somewhere South ofI-80 at August 14, 2025 09:37 AM (89Sog)

29 Perhaps this one?

https://is.gd/VpL3O0

I went to mass in the church in which it hung.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 09:36 AM (GBKbO)

Nice. Caravaggio.

Did you get to the French National Church and see his St Matthew triptych?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 14, 2025 09:37 AM (bss/y)

30 "You were Simon. Now you are Peter."

"You were Larry. Now you are Pinto."
Posted by: Eric Stratton, Rush Chairman

Golf clap.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2025 09:37 AM (Bs2bL)

31 Jesus has cannonball-like delts

Posted by: Don Black at August 14, 2025 09:37 AM (AOsQT)

32 I brought a gimongous key, where is the door ??

Posted by: Peter at August 14, 2025 09:37 AM (g47mK)

33 Beautiful. I love the glimpse of the bow of the boat and an oar, I think, on the right.

Posted by: Frasier Crane at August 14, 2025 09:38 AM (bNf8H)

34 "You were Larry. Now you are Pinto."
Posted by: Eric Stratton, Rush Chairman at August 14, 2025 09:35 AM (dDmld)

IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE HE EXPLODES IN THE REAR.

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at August 14, 2025 09:38 AM (Zz0t1)

35 Christ's Charge to Peter

$20, same as in town.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at August 14, 2025 09:38 AM (40mwC)

36 Isn't Raphael buried in Rome?

Posted by: dantesed at August 14, 2025 09:38 AM (Oy/m2)

37 1st known case of washing lights & darks together?
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2025 09:36 AM (Bs2bL)

You should see the river.
Posted by: Sponge

Ganges River? As long as you spell it Gangrene.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2025 09:39 AM (Bs2bL)

38 I'll bet they kept tho local dry cleaners busy.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 14, 2025 09:31 AM

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"Lord & Tailor"

Posted by: Just the punchline at August 14, 2025 09:39 AM (XQo4F)

39 1st known case of washing lights & darks together?
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2025 09:36 AM (Bs2bL)

Or... remember those temperature sensitive fabrics that were big for a while during the late... 80s? Like 89 or 90. Where the hot spots on your body would make the fabric change color- so it worked out that your shoulders would be different colors. Then they realized if people had a pooch (belly) that would show. Women would just show their boobs, etc.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 14, 2025 09:39 AM (bss/y)

40 "Yea, verily, hoisteth thou and ye shall inherit the kingdom of gainzzz."

"But Lord, how can we believe you?"

"Oh, ye of little girth. BEHOLD!" *triceps flex*

"Ooooooh! Ahhhhh!"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 14, 2025 09:39 AM (EctuH)

41 29 Nice. Caravaggio.

Did you get to the French National Church and see his St Matthew triptych?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 14, 2025 09:37 AM (bss/y)

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That church was literally three blocks away from my apartment (and about three blocks away from the church with the other Caravaggio I linked to) and I never got in.

I meant to twice. The first, there was a wedding going on, and they wouldn't let anyone in. The second, I came up right as they were closing.

I was frustrated.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 09:39 AM (GBKbO)

42 I wonder how long this took to paint?

Posted by: redridinghood at August 14, 2025 09:39 AM (NpAcC)

43 Anybody here speak Aramaic?

Posted by: Disciple No. 6 at August 14, 2025 09:39 AM (dDmld)

44 RESPECT MY AUTHORITY!

What? You're saying Jesus gave the Keys of the Kingdom to a different guy named Peter?

Nevermind.

Posted by: Pete in Texas at August 14, 2025 09:40 AM (Z3S6s)

45 31 Jesus has cannonball-like delts
Posted by: Don Black at August 14, 2025 09:37 AM (AOsQT)

That's my point. He is ripped all to hell.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 14, 2025 09:40 AM (bss/y)

46 "You were Simon. Now you are Peter."

"You were Larry. Now you are Pinto."
Posted by: Eric Stratton, Rush Chairman at August 14, 2025 09:35 AM (dDmld
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You asked for it....

https://tinyurl.com/bdhzzs6m

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 14, 2025 09:41 AM (Ggh7Z)

47 $20, same as in town.
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at August 14, 2025 09:38 AM (40mwC)
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Hmm. This may be blasphemous. Let me check with @Grok.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 14, 2025 09:41 AM (RIvkX)

48 I was frustrated.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 09:39 AM (GBKbO)

Damn man. I am truly sorry. It is a beautiful church on it's own (one of the more unique color palettes) and it has that set of Caravaggio paintings.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 14, 2025 09:41 AM (bss/y)

49 16 "This is 11¼ x 17½ feet"
Impressive!
Posted by: redridinghood

Can't hang unless I build an addition with the ceiling height and width to properly do so.

But despite others attributing this as a masterpiece, I humbly disagree. Brilliant technique and colors but my criticism is on composition. St. Peter's reaction is almost wholly unseen; Christ's expression is placid and remote, and the main action of this painting is actually the reaction of the other disciples.

The focus of the painting is not the critical charge of St. Peter to feed and mind Christ's sheep aka humanity which is a cardinal pillar of Roman Catholicism. So I think the artist fails to capture that singular event.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2025 09:41 AM (ctrM5)

50 Bosco!

Posted by: George Costanza at August 14, 2025 09:41 AM (XQo4F)

51 48 I was frustrated.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 09:39 AM (GBKbO)

Damn man. I am truly sorry. It is a beautiful church on it's own (one of the more unique color palettes) and it has that set of Caravaggio paintings.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 14, 2025 09:41 AM (bss/y)

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I will go back.

Oh yes, I will go back.

I mean, it's Rome. I love Rome.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 09:42 AM (GBKbO)

52
I see no charge card here.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Point&Laugh! Point&Laugh! Point&Laugh![ at August 14, 2025 09:43 AM (Tv15w)

53 I will go back.

Oh yes, I will go back.

I mean, it's Rome. I love Rome.

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right???

What other Italian cities did you get to visit on this trip ?

Posted by: runner at August 14, 2025 09:43 AM (g47mK)

54 ".... Nate, you do the chickens. Jude, you're on cows. Simon? Simon? Where the crap is Simon? Oh, whatever. Someone tell Simon he's our fish guy."

Posted by: Warai-otoko at August 14, 2025 09:43 AM (EctuH)

55 Handsome painting.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 14, 2025 09:43 AM (omVj0)

56 For me, the big attraction of Rome would be seeing the ancient stuff. Colosseum, etc.

Posted by: Bulg at August 14, 2025 09:43 AM (77rzZ)

57 53 What other Italian cities did you get to visit on this trip ?
Posted by: runner at August 14, 2025 09:43 AM (g47mK)

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Venice, Naples (really, only Pompeii), Pisa, and Florence.

Largely just repeats of previous trips. Next time, I'll go further afield. The only new place for me was Naples.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 09:44 AM (GBKbO)

58
Hmmmm. I'll allow it

Posted by: Zombie Bob Ross at August 14, 2025 09:44 AM (EFZgU)

59 56 For me, the big attraction of Rome would be seeing the ancient stuff. Colosseum, etc.
Posted by: Bulg at August 14, 2025 09:43 AM (77rzZ)

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The forum is just an open air museum, a great place to wander around in.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 09:45 AM (GBKbO)

60 This is so evocative of the moment. It shows in a way no one can miss the importance of the moment. The slightly muted colors of the clothing and landscape (wonder if they were brighter originally), the contrast of Christ's comparatively white robes and the sheep, and placing the disciples in the center, all point to a transition and continuation. I like how each disciple is an individual with their own postures, facial expressions, and colors.

This, and the others in the collection, must have been stunning and powerful to the viewers of the day.

Posted by: JTB at August 14, 2025 09:45 AM (yTvNw)

61 My favorite was the Romans response to ISIS when they threatened "Rome, we are coming", and Romans started posting photos of the traffic jams, saying "good luck"

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 14, 2025 09:46 AM (Ggh7Z)

62
Peter Implores Jesus to Sign a Kicker

"We only got eleven guys -- surely you can see we need a kicker!"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Point&Laugh! Point&Laugh! Point&Laugh![ at August 14, 2025 09:46 AM (Tv15w)

63 Largely just repeats of previous trips. Next time, I'll go further afield. The only new place for me was Naples.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 09:44 AM (GBKbO)

Go further afield!

How is Florence these days ?

Posted by: runner at August 14, 2025 09:46 AM (g47mK)

64 No dog, not art. Sorry, them’s the rulez

Posted by: Common Tater at August 14, 2025 09:47 AM (GDXa0)

65 45 31 Jesus has cannonball-like delts
Posted by: Don Black at August 14, 2025 09:37 AM (AOsQT)

That's my point. He is ripped all to hell.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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The Shroud of Turin indicates that to be true and current empirical evidence puts it at a time and place where it should be historically. There is no known past or present artistic technique to produce the image and the image demonstrates the awful abuse of Christ and anatomically correct placement of crucifixion spikes.

So the rest of judgment of the Shroud comes from an individual's religious belief and faith rather than a definitive answer.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2025 09:47 AM (ctrM5)

66 63 Go further afield!

How is Florence these days ?
Posted by: runner at August 14, 2025 09:46 AM (g47mK)

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Awful.

Probably just a bad combination of time of year elements (height of summer, height of tourist season), but it was miserably hot and just a crush of people everywhere.

When I had been to Florence 16 years ago when I lived in Rome, the place felt quaint, quiet, and almost deserted. It was wonderful. I kind of never want to go back now. It's done.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 09:47 AM (GBKbO)

67 For somewhat of a short trip, that included Germany too , right? you covered a lot TJM.

Posted by: runner at August 14, 2025 09:48 AM (g47mK)

68 Jesus did not skip arm day.

He could play Strong Safety for The Sisters of the Poor.

Posted by: eleven at August 14, 2025 09:48 AM (fV+MH)

69 67 For somewhat of a short trip, that included Germany too , right? you covered a lot TJM.
Posted by: runner at August 14, 2025 09:48 AM (g47mK)

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2 full weeks. Not that short.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 09:48 AM (GBKbO)

70 TJM, have you been to the Leaning Tower?

Posted by: Bulg at August 14, 2025 09:48 AM (77rzZ)

71 56 For me, the big attraction of Rome would be seeing the ancient stuff. Colosseum, etc.
Posted by: Bulg at August 14, 2025 09:43 AM (77rzZ)

It is kind of not an all or nothing type thing. Example. Stand on a bridge covered in Angel statues. to your left is St Peters about a half mile away looking like a mountain. Directly in front of you is the Castel St Angelo with a giant statue of St Michael on top. Oh, and it started life as the Emperor Hadrian's tomb and walking inside, it would REALLY suck to try to take. It was the personal fortress of the Popes and used to have an elevated walkway from the Vatican to it for them to use in times of trouble.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 14, 2025 09:49 AM (bss/y)

72 Awful.

Probably just a bad combination of time of year elements (height of summer, height of tourist season), but it was miserably hot and just a crush of people everywhere.

When I had been to Florence 16 years ago when I lived in Rome, the place felt quaint, quiet, and almost deserted. It was wonderful. I kind of never want to go back now. It's done.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 09:47 AM (GBKbO)

Oh, sad.

Posted by: runner at August 14, 2025 09:49 AM (g47mK)

73 In before someone observes there is no dog featured, and therefore just how good can it be artistically?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 14, 2025 09:49 AM (0sNs1)

74 "This is 11¼ x 17½ feet"
Impressive!
Posted by: redridinghood at August 14, 2025 09:33 AM (NpAcC)
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Huh.

Posted by: Jan Styka at August 14, 2025 09:50 AM (WvZaB)

75 Perhaps this one?

https://is.gd/VpL3O0

I went to mass in the church in which it hung.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 09:36 AM (GBKbO)

Good grief, the way the Catholics demanded that the Holy Family be depicted makes me glad the Reformation happened. "How dare you paint a peasant mother without any shoes!!!"

Posted by: pookysgirl, Protestant 4 Lyfe at August 14, 2025 09:50 AM (Wt5PA)

76 It's hard to make fun of the religious paintings. Christ is looking a bit young, but the again, he was.

Posted by: From about That Time at August 14, 2025 09:50 AM (n4GiU)

77 Which one of the Apostles is the sniper?

Posted by: Bulg at August 14, 2025 09:50 AM (77rzZ)

78 The Chosen.

Posted by: Come and See at August 14, 2025 09:50 AM (XQo4F)

79 70 TJM, have you been to the Leaning Tower?
Posted by: Bulg at August 14, 2025 09:48 AM (77rzZ)

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I've been outside it twice. Never up it.

Pisa kind of sucks. It's a dirty little town with not much of note except that tower, which is a 25 minute walk from the train station.

Maybe if I spent a few days there, taking in the smaller sights, sounds, and tastes I'd appreciate it more. However most people go for the tower, and I'd say it's not really worth the trip.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 09:50 AM (GBKbO)

80 And that is just one building in the city. The whole place is like that.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 14, 2025 09:50 AM (bss/y)

81 In before someone observes there is no dog featured, and therefore just how good can it be artistically?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 14, 2025 09:49 AM

No. See Comment 64, supra.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2025 09:50 AM (kgE5c)

82 It's a bit blurry because his best friends were arguing about the best deli in Dagotown.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2025 09:51 AM (mlg/3)

83 I thought if you toss a coin over your shoulder into the Trevi fountains it means you would return to Rome.

Posted by: dantesed at August 14, 2025 09:51 AM (Oy/m2)

84 73 In before someone observes there is no dog featured, and therefore just how good can it be artistically?
Posted by: Duncanthrax

No dog art comment in #64.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2025 09:51 AM (Bs2bL)

85 Is that Mary M trying to push her way to the front?

Posted by: From about That Time at August 14, 2025 09:52 AM (n4GiU)

86 83 I thought if you toss a coin over your shoulder into the Trevi fountains it means you would return to Rome.
Posted by: dantesed at August 14, 2025 09:51 AM (Oy/m2)

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Had the boys do that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 09:52 AM (GBKbO)

87 No. See Comment 64, supra.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2025 09:50 AM

* sigh *

You are correct. Dang.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 14, 2025 09:52 AM (0sNs1)

88 I thought if you toss a coin over your shoulder into the Trevi fountains it means you would return to Rome.
Posted by: dantesed

It means the fountain cleaners make their Ferrari payments that month.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2025 09:53 AM (Bs2bL)

89 88 It means the fountain cleaners make their Ferrari payments that month.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2025 09:53 AM (Bs2bL)

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Supposedly, it's several thousand euros a day.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 09:53 AM (GBKbO)

90 One thing I like about Raphael's images of Christ is that he is a strong young man. Christ was a carpenter and that trade required strength and stamina. The images of a weak, emaciated Jesus always seemed wrong.

Posted by: JTB at August 14, 2025 09:58 AM (yTvNw)

91 Where is everyone?

Posted by: Bulg at August 14, 2025 09:58 AM (77rzZ)

92 Why is everyone fully covered in their desert getups but Jesus is only wearing a bedsheet?

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 14, 2025 09:59 AM (g8Ew8)

93 But what have the Romans ever done for us?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 14, 2025 09:59 AM (Vc6sH)

94 Did Rafael also the do cartoon with the round headed boy with the kite, or the one with the caveman that rode a dinosaur?

Posted by: Kindltot at August 14, 2025 09:59 AM (rbvCR)

95 Is that Mary M trying to push her way to the front?
Posted by: From about That Time at August 14, 2025

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In the orange cloak? I do suspect that is a woman. Many of the men wear long hair, but they have beards. The one beardless youth (the one with the chin, about three people behind the woman) has short hair.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 14, 2025 10:00 AM (omVj0)

96
Where is everyone?
Posted by: Bulg

Ringside at the Putin - Trump meeting in Alaska.

Didn't you get the memo?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Point&Laugh! Point&Laugh! Point&Laugh![ at August 14, 2025 10:00 AM (Tv15w)

97 91 Where is everyone?
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Down by the shore. Listening to Jesus.

Posted by: Pay attention! at August 14, 2025 10:00 AM (XQo4F)

98 90 One thing I like about Raphael's images of Christ is that he is a strong young man. Christ was a carpenter and that trade required strength and stamina. The images of a weak, emaciated Jesus always seemed wrong.
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My wife was having a video chat with her brother Don. I looked at Don on the cell phone and told him he looked like Jesus. An old beat up Jesus, but he really looked like Jesus.

Posted by: pudinhead at August 14, 2025 10:00 AM (W3T6M)

99 Thank you CBD for the art today.

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at August 14, 2025 10:01 AM (wV2Qn)

100 Jesus was a carpenter, so it follows he would have good arm tone, what with all the ripsaw action

no power tools available

Posted by: Don Black at August 14, 2025 10:01 AM (AOsQT)

101
Did Rafael also the do cartoon with the round headed boy with the kite, or the one with the caveman that rode a dinosaur?
Posted by: Kindltot

Close. Rafael did "Mark Trail" and "Steve Canyon".

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Point&Laugh! Point&Laugh! Point&Laugh![ at August 14, 2025 10:01 AM (Tv15w)

102 But what have the Romans ever done for us?
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 14, 2025 09:59 AM

The aqueducts?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2025 10:01 AM (Wnv9h)

103 For those interested:

Days 3 and 4 of my trip, Venice and the first day in Rome:

https://is.gd/11JP4Y

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 10:02 AM (GBKbO)

104
It means the fountain cleaners make their Ferrari payments that month.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2025 09:53 AM (Bs2bL)

I thought you needed to perform abortions to afford such luxuries.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at August 14, 2025 10:04 AM (Zz0t1)

105 Christ was a carpenter and that trade required strength and stamina. The images of a weak, emaciated Jesus always seemed wrong.

I've heard it's more likely a stone mason, given where he grew up an all. Carpenter comes from those woodsy Europeans.
Lets just say a builder. Maybe even one of those Home Depot laborer sorts.

Posted by: From about That Time at August 14, 2025 10:04 AM (n4GiU)

106
But what have the Romans ever done for us?
Posted by: Huck Follywood

Invented a version of concrete that took two thousand years to figure out its composition.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Point&Laugh! Point&Laugh! Point&Laugh![ at August 14, 2025 10:04 AM (Tv15w)

107
The aqueducts?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2025 10:01 AM (Wnv9h)

Isn't that a song by Jethro Tull?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at August 14, 2025 10:04 AM (Zz0t1)

108 But what have the Romans ever done for us?
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 14, 2025 09:59 AM
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The aqueducts?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2025

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Central heating in cold climates.

Law.

Scientific language. Okay, they themselves didn't use Latin in the scientific classification of animals and plants, but the language was right there for later guys to use.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 14, 2025 10:04 AM (omVj0)

109 "...he looked like Jesus. An old beat up Jesus, but he really looked like Jesus."
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Ummm... thanks?

Posted by: Don at August 14, 2025 10:05 AM (XQo4F)

110 Has Trump killed every black person in DC with his tanks yet?

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 14, 2025 10:05 AM (9c0bR)

111 A little bit about the "cartoon"
from the V and A museum:

https://tinyurl.com/5225x6cb

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 14, 2025 10:05 AM (2GCMq)

112
lololol...Fake News...

Wholesale numbers didn't rise. That "suggests," Fake News lie-claims, that businesses "may be eating the costs" of thise horrible Trump tariffs.

Or maybe it suggests that the tariffs aren't impacting costs nearly as much as you lying dicknozzles said they would.

Posted by: Soothsayer is Mathin' like jazzy crockett at August 14, 2025 10:05 AM (8nAIq)

113 All the great Roman leaders were black and gay.
- Netflix

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 14, 2025 10:06 AM (9c0bR)

114 Nice one. No wonder Master Splinter admired him.

Posted by: tankdemon at August 14, 2025 10:06 AM (pfLc5)

115 90 One thing I like about Raphael's images of Christ is that he is a strong young man. Christ was a carpenter and that trade required strength and stamina. The images of a weak, emaciated Jesus always seemed wrong.
Posted by: JTB
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True. I think the weak emaciated Jesus depictions were designed to promote his victimhood and sacrifice over his humanity.

And that is a critical problem in religious art--what to emphasize and de-emphasize. Or, it you take the iconoclast position, whether to depict the divine at all.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2025 10:06 AM (ctrM5)

116 Tariffs are the new Jews. Got a problem? The tariffs are to blame.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 14, 2025 10:07 AM (9c0bR)

117 103 For those interested:

Days 3 and 4 of my trip, Venice and the first day in Rome:
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It would seem your wife tolerates you. That's a good thing.

Posted by: pudinhead at August 14, 2025 10:07 AM (W3T6M)

118 The width of two horses asses.

Posted by: Just the punchline at August 14, 2025 10:07 AM (XQo4F)

119 9 I knew it was Rafael , without even seeing the post.
Posted by: runner at August 14, 2025 09:32 AM (g47mK)

Even without the red mask?

Posted by: tankdemon at August 14, 2025 10:07 AM (pfLc5)

120 I thought you needed to perform abortions to afford such luxuries.......
Posted by: Sponge

As TJM said, "several thousand euros a day".

Equals 60 to 62,000 euros a month.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2025 10:08 AM (Bs2bL)

121 Invented a version of concrete that took two thousand years to figure out its composition.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Point&Laugh! Point&Laugh! Point&Laugh![ at August 14, 2025 10:04 AM (Tv15w)

Also concrete that hardened and cured underwater.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 14, 2025 10:08 AM (g8Ew8)

122 I knew it was Rafael , without even seeing the post.
Posted by: runner at August 14, 2025 09:32 AM (g47mK)

Even without the red mask?
Posted by: tankdemon

It was the blue sash around his turtle shell.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2025 10:08 AM (Bs2bL)

123 Just twelve apostles and one Christ?

Posted by: Monty Python's Michelangelo at August 14, 2025 10:08 AM (wVcYX)

124
All Morning long Fake News has been trying to poison & sabotage the Trump-putin meeting by claiming, without evidence, that President Trump "warned Putin of severe consequences" if Putin didn't agree to end the war.

But they play no recording nor read any direct quote these words were spoken or written by the President.

Posted by: Soothsayer is Mathin' like jazzy crockett at August 14, 2025 10:09 AM (8nAIq)

125 120 As TJM said, "several thousand euros a day".

Equals 60 to 62,000 euros a month.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2025 10:08 AM (Bs2bL)

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I suspect the city collects it directly.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 10:09 AM (GBKbO)

126 107
The aqueducts?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 14, 2025 10:01 AM (Wnv9h)
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Isn't that a song by Jethro Tull?
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Snort.

Posted by: pudinhead at August 14, 2025 10:09 AM (W3T6M)

127 The width of two horses asses.
Posted by: Just the punchline

IOW, a Hillary.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2025 10:09 AM (Bs2bL)

128 It would seem your wife tolerates you. That's a good thing.
Posted by: pudinhead
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Especially so when she chooses to ignore the illiteracy and glowing in the dark.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2025 10:09 AM (ctrM5)

129
Just twelve apostles and one Christ?
Posted by: Monty Python's Michelangelo

Eleven. Judas Iscariot was "indisposed".

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Point&Laugh! Point&Laugh! Point&Laugh![ at August 14, 2025 10:10 AM (Tv15w)

130 If Jesus was a southpaw, with that arm development, imagine his fastball

Posted by: Don Black at August 14, 2025 10:10 AM (AOsQT)

131 As TJM said, "several thousand euros a day".

Equals 60 to 62,000 euros a month.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2025 10:08 AM (Bs2bL)

======

I suspect the city collects it directly.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

The fountain cleaners collect it and turn it over to the city. Being Italian, there's a certain amount of "skim".

Waste Management.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2025 10:11 AM (Bs2bL)

132 I don't think Jesus would throw the curveball

just straight heaters

Posted by: Don Black at August 14, 2025 10:11 AM (AOsQT)

133
bloomberg is once again rubbing their little puds raw at "inflation" data and the Market going in the red today

Posted by: Soothsayer is Mathin' like jazzy crockett at August 14, 2025 10:11 AM (8nAIq)

134 the orange cloak

Don't do colors. Third one to right of Christ.

Posted by: From about That Time at August 14, 2025 10:11 AM (n4GiU)

135 Wakes up
Scratches
Looks around
Dang. Impressive art today. I'm awed.
Goes looking for coffee.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 14, 2025 10:11 AM (2WIwB)

136 If Jesus was a southpaw, with that arm development, imagine his fastball
Posted by: Don Black

Then I was made in his image.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2025 10:12 AM (Bs2bL)

137 132 I don't think Jesus would throw the curveball

just straight heaters
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Pretty sure he can't throw sinkers.

Posted by: pudinhead at August 14, 2025 10:12 AM (W3T6M)

138 -----
Especially so when she chooses to ignore the illiteracy and glowing in the dark.
Posted by: whig at August 14, 2025 10:09 AM (ctrM5)

And that whole 'asshole' thing.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at August 14, 2025 10:12 AM (Zz0t1)

139 Also concrete that hardened and cured underwater.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons
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We've had that trick for awhile (hydraulic cement).

I think the more recent investigations have revealed the apparently crude mixing techniques created a self healing concrete. It fixes itself from cracking, etc. with the aid of water which is extremely important in critical infrastructure like bridges, dams, roads, building foundations, etc.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2025 10:13 AM (ctrM5)

140 10% under Biden was meh.
2.7% under Trump is end of the world

No matter how much you hate the media it’s not nearly enough.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 14, 2025 10:13 AM (9c0bR)

141 lololol...Fake News...

Wholesale numbers didn't rise. That "suggests," Fake News lie-claims, that businesses "may be eating the costs" of thise horrible Trump tariffs.

Or maybe it suggests that the tariffs aren't impacting costs nearly as much as you lying dicknozzles said they would.
Posted by: Soothsayer is Mathin' like jazzy crockett at August 14, 2025 10:05 AM (8nAIq)

This is becoming like the global warming 'hiding' in the deep ocean...

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 14, 2025 10:14 AM (bss/y)

142 Christ was a carpenter. How was he killed? With a hammer and nails.

Posted by: tankdemon at August 14, 2025 10:14 AM (pfLc5)

143 I don't think Jesus would throw the curveball

just straight heaters
Posted by: Don Black
_____

He keeps throwing me changeups.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 14, 2025 10:14 AM (XvL8K)

144 I think the more recent investigations have revealed the apparently crude mixing techniques created a self healing concrete. It fixes itself from cracking, etc. with the aid of water which is extremely important in critical infrastructure like bridges, dams, roads, building foundations, etc.
Posted by: whig at August 14, 2025 10:13 AM (ctrM5)

Also a certain amount of volcanic ash, iirc.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 14, 2025 10:14 AM (bss/y)

145 Christ was a carpenter. How was he killed? With a hammer and nails.
Posted by: tankdemon at August 14, 2025 10:14 AM (pfLc5)

He chose the form of his destructor.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at August 14, 2025 10:14 AM (Zz0t1)

146
1) illiteracy
2) glowing in the dark

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Features. Not bugs.

Posted by: The Marketing Department at August 14, 2025 10:15 AM (XQo4F)

147
He keeps throwing me changeups.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at August 14, 2025 10:14 AM (XvL8K)

Ain't that the truth.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at August 14, 2025 10:15 AM (Zz0t1)

148 Christ was a carpenter. How was he killed? With a hammer and nails.
Posted by: tankdemon at August 14, 2025 10:14 AM (pfLc5)

I thought it was just Karen and Richard.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 14, 2025 10:16 AM (wVcYX)

149 Sp500 and Nasdaq are both up double digits in 2025. But if you ask a LIV he’ll tell you it’s down 20%. Because the media goes crazy on days when stocks are down 0.5% but ignore entire weeks when it’s up 2%.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 14, 2025 10:16 AM (9c0bR)

150 And that whole 'asshole' thing.
Posted by: Sponge
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Unfortunately that is the natural condition of mankind--in order to function as a society, we must learn to ignore the behavior and love the assholes among us as we do ourself. Christ said something to that effect. I often struggle with that.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2025 10:17 AM (ctrM5)

151 But what have the Romans ever done for us?
Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 14, 2025 09:59 AM

60% of English words have Latin roots.

Not to mention we'd have NO idea of who Cory Booker was aligning himself with without the Romans putting down a slave rebellion.

Oh, yeah, we'd all be using those Eurofag measurements that CBD is so enamored* with (hello, 9mm!) if we didn't have the mile, which is 1 mille (thousand) steps of a Legionnaire.

* amor (Latin) = love (English)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 14, 2025 10:17 AM (0sNs1)

152 14 I see eleven apostles !
Posted by: Jean-Luc Picard at August 14, 2025 09:33 AM (g47mK)

Judas wasn't able to hang out that day.

Posted by: tankdemon at August 14, 2025 10:17 AM (pfLc5)

153 We've only just begun.

Posted by: Karen and David at August 14, 2025 10:17 AM (XQo4F)

154 Okay, I'll paint out the T-Rex.

Posted by: Monty Python's Michelangelo at August 14, 2025 10:18 AM (wVcYX)

155 Yeah but there like no diversity, no free health care and work life balances sucked for workers. Romans were awful.
- GenZ

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 14, 2025 10:19 AM (9c0bR)

156 Let's put asshole in its proper place:

When the Lord made man, all the parts of the body argued over who would be boss.

The brain explained that since he controlled all the parts of the body, he should be boss. The legs argued that since they took man wherever he wanted to go, they should be boss. The stomach countered with the explanation that since he digested all the food, he should be boss. The eyes said that without them man would be helpless, so they should be boss. Then the asshole applied for the job.
The other parts of the body laughed so hard at this that the asshole became mad and closed up.

After a few days…

The brain went foggy, the legs got wobbly, the stomach got ill, and the eyes got crossed and unable to see. They all conceded and made the asshole boss.

This proved that you don’t have to be a brain to be boss…

Just an Asshole.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 14, 2025 10:20 AM (0sNs1)

157 The Romans had the most unnecessarily complicated calendar ever.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at August 14, 2025 10:20 AM (WvZaB)

158 True. I think the weak emaciated Jesus depictions were designed to promote his victimhood and sacrifice over his humanity.

And that is a critical problem in religious art--what to emphasize and de-emphasize. Or, it you take the iconoclast position, whether to depict the divine at all.
Posted by: whig at August 14, 2025 10:06 AM (ctrM5)

And there's a very denominational split on which version of Christ to favor. Those churches descended from the Calvinist tradition favor only a bare cross, no figure (they always were iconoclasts) while the RC Church uses Christ suffering on the cross. Some use Christ the King on the cross, and I recently rewatched a good documentary on Byzantium, which dominated art for almost 1000 years. They didn't emphasize the cross much at all, instead their most favored depiction was always Christ Pantocrater.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 14, 2025 10:21 AM (uWKK8)

159 The Romans had the most unnecessarily complicated calendar ever.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at August 14, 2025 10:20 AM (WvZaB)

Hold my fromage.

Posted by: French Revolution Metric Calendar at August 14, 2025 10:21 AM (wVcYX)

160 Speaking of GenZ I’m cracking up at the new trend of Zers shitting on Millennials. In the eyes of GenZ, millenials are kind of becoming the new boomers. They have this idea that millenialss had it real easy and they just don’t understand the GenZ struggle.

Which is fucking wild since Millenials spent the last 15 years whining how tough they had it and boomers dint understand their struggle.

As always GenX just sits in the corner working and getting rich avoiding the ge rational food fights.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 14, 2025 10:23 AM (9c0bR)

161 158 And there's a very denominational split on which version of Christ to favor. Those churches descended from the Calvinist tradition favor only a bare cross, no figure (they always were iconoclasts) while the RC Church uses Christ suffering on the cross. Some use Christ the King on the cross, and I recently rewatched a good documentary on Byzantium, which dominated art for almost 1000 years. They didn't emphasize the cross much at all, instead their most favored depiction was always Christ Pantocrater.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 14, 2025 10:21 AM (uWKK

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I will just say that the Church's depictions of Christ are manifold and many. 2000 years of art will do that.

There's the crucifixion, obviously, but the sacred heart is really prominent in many churches as well.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 10:23 AM (GBKbO)

162 Posted by: French Revolution Metric Calendar at August 14, 2025 10:21 AM (wVcYX)
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Don't think that one was as complicated as it was stupid.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at August 14, 2025 10:23 AM (WvZaB)

163 >But what have the Romans ever done for us?
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COLUMNS

Elegant, sturdy, and bursting with class.

Posted by: Don Black at August 14, 2025 10:24 AM (AOsQT)

164 Also a certain amount of volcanic ash, iirc.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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From what I read and understand of the most recent research in material science, they discount the aggregate as the primary cause of longevity and instead focus on how the rough mixing technique produces pockets of quicklime that were distinct from the surrounding material.

Over time, when inevitable cracks occur and water infiltrates, the lime pockets slowly react with the water to calcify filling the cracks and voids created by degradation of weather, earthquakes, stress. Voila, self healing concrete.

That is the critical shortcoming of modern concrete is once it cracks then it begins to lose its strength (and why we use rebar, fiber flock, etc. to try to prevent and ameliorate that structure degradation).

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2025 10:24 AM (ctrM5)

165 149 Sp500 and Nasdaq are both up double digits in 2025. But if you ask a LIV he’ll tell you it’s down 20%. Because the media goes crazy on days when stocks are down 0.5% but ignore entire weeks when it’s up 2%.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 14, 2025 10:16 AM (9c0bR)

Each day the left descends more and more into being nothing but a fanatical cult, which lives and breathes nothing but hysterical Dogma which Must Not Be Challenged. (and anyone who challenges the Holy Dogma is a HERETIC!)
Which is why there's no arguing with one of them about anything, it's like arguing with a Scientologist about L. Ron Hubbard's Great Wisdom. Don't expect any more logic or reason out of any leftist than you would out of any radical cult member.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 14, 2025 10:24 AM (uWKK8)

166 Cannot go wrong with Raphael. A master.

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2025 10:25 AM (6z+Zw)

167
The Romans had the most unnecessarily complicated calendar ever.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at August 14, 2025 10:20 AM (WvZaB)

Hold my fromage.
Posted by: French Revolution Metric Calendar at August 14, 2025 10:21 AM (wVcYX)

_________

Hold my biretta.

Posted by: Catholic Liturgical Calendar at August 14, 2025 10:25 AM (kkTda)

168 Posted by: French Revolution Metric Calendar at August 14, 2025 10:21 AM (wVcYX)
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Don't think that one was as complicated as it was stupid.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at August 14, 2025 10:23 AM (WvZaB)

Mai oui! Couldn't make metric time work out either.

Posted by: French Revolution Metric Calendar at August 14, 2025 10:25 AM (wVcYX)

169 In the past 6 months my backyard concrete has gone to shit. Crack everywhere. Gotta have all the walkways replaced. Not looking forward to that bill. I’ll blame Trump and his tariffs on TikTok.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 14, 2025 10:27 AM (9c0bR)

170 >But what have the Romans ever done for us?

Sophia Loren. Case closed.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 14, 2025 10:27 AM (wVcYX)

171 This proved that you don’t have to be a brain to be boss…

Just an Asshole.
Posted by: Duncanthrax

My four year old granddaughter is always asking me to tell her a story.
I may use this.

Posted by: From about That Time at August 14, 2025 10:27 AM (n4GiU)

172 Mai oui! Couldn't make metric time work out either.
Posted by: French Revolution Metric Calendar at August 14, 2025 10:25 AM (wVcYX
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Yeah, ten very long hours or a hundred very very short ones. No one sane is going along with that.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at August 14, 2025 10:28 AM (WvZaB)

173 How bad is the tariff fueled market crash today? Stocks are down to levels not seen since Monday. It’s that bad.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 14, 2025 10:29 AM (9c0bR)

174 And there's a very denominational split on which version of Christ to favor. Those churches descended from the Calvinist tradition favor only a bare cross, no figure (they always were iconoclasts) while the RC Church uses Christ suffering on the cross. Some use Christ the King on the cross, and I recently rewatched a good documentary on Byzantium, which dominated art for almost 1000 years. They didn't emphasize the cross much at all, instead their most favored depiction was always Christ Pantocrater.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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Byzantium fought a civil war for nearly 100 years or so over icons and their status in religion. And one can certainly see echoes of that in Protestantism during the Euro Religious Wars and the iconoclast position that less is more.

Personally, I think art, particularly religious art, is more in the eye of the beholder and the effect on the individual rather than something that can be applied to the whole of humanity.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2025 10:30 AM (ctrM5)

175 Had I been an actual Byzantine, I would have been an iconoclast.

Despite the fact that I love icons as artwork, especially Russian ones.

But I don’t believe that images of the Divine have any place in worship.

Posted by: Bulg at August 14, 2025 10:31 AM (77rzZ)

176 Christ was a carpenter. How was he killed? With a hammer and nails.
Posted by: tankdemon at August 14, 2025 10:14 AM (pfLc5)

Just think, if his ministry was in Sweden they would have had to kill him with an Allen wrench.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 14, 2025 10:31 AM (vYDwg)

177
Tomorrow is a Holy Day of Obligation for us snappers (Assumption of Mary). Friday Holy Days are kind of a pain.

Do I have to go to Mass or is it folded into next Sunday? (I have to go to Mass and I'd do it in any case)

Do I have to do Penance? (Apparently not)

Are the prohibitions against servile work in effect? (Apparently so)

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 14, 2025 10:32 AM (kkTda)

178 Just think, if his ministry was in Sweden they would have had to kill him with an Allen wrench.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 14, 2025 10:31 AM

To be fair, no one would want lutefisk offered on the end of a spear.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 14, 2025 10:32 AM (0sNs1)

179 Are the prohibitions against servile work in effect? (Apparently so)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 14, 2025 10:32 AM

So, no commenting on the ONT?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 14, 2025 10:33 AM (0sNs1)

180 177 Do I have to go to Mass or is it folded into next Sunday? (I have to go to Mass and I'd do it in any case)

Do I have to do Penance? (Apparently not)

Are the prohibitions against servile work in effect? (Apparently so)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 14, 2025 10:32 AM (kkTda)

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Reminds me.

We all did confession in St. Peter's.

It's a humbling experience.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 10:34 AM (GBKbO)

181 176 Just think, if his ministry was in Sweden they would have had to kill him with an Allen wrench.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 14, 2025 10:31 AM (vYDwg)

That's just screwy.

Posted by: tankdemon at August 14, 2025 10:34 AM (pfLc5)

182 Time to DOGE every state and municipality:

@LeadingRepor 5m
BREAKING: Democrat LA Councilman Curren Price has been charged with corruption, for allegedly embezzling $800,000, per NYP.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2025 10:34 AM (mlg/3)

183 We all did confession in St. Peter's.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 10:34 AM

Was your Italian up to it?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 14, 2025 10:35 AM (0sNs1)

184 The Romans gave us Nadia Comanici.

I'll take it.

Posted by: eleven at August 14, 2025 10:35 AM (fV+MH)

185 175 Had I been an actual Byzantine, I would have been an iconoclast.

Despite the fact that I love icons as artwork, especially Russian ones.

But I don’t believe that images of the Divine have any place in worship.
Posted by: Bulg
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As I said above, I think it comes down to the effect on individuals and we vary tremendously in our likes, dislikes, and tastes. The divine itself is so inexplicable and terrifying that the Bible talks in terms of clouds of glory, and figures that can cause alarm and terror at will along with awe of the divine in humans. In that sense, the Apostles, martyrs, and the human Jesus himself serve to bridge the gap between divine and our mundane world. And as a result, so should religious art serve.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2025 10:35 AM (ctrM5)

186 The Romans gave us Nadia Comanici.
Posted by: eleven at August 14, 2025 10:35 AM

Even I can't take that seriously.

Posted by: Wesley Crusher at August 14, 2025 10:36 AM (0sNs1)

187 @LeadingRepor 5m
BREAKING: Democrat LA Councilman Curren Price has been charged with corruption, for allegedly embezzling $800,000, per NYP.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2025 10:34 AM (mlg/3)

See? Good government doesn't come cheap.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 14, 2025 10:36 AM (vYDwg)

188 183 We all did confession in St. Peter's.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 10:34 AM

Was your Italian up to it?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 14, 2025 10:35 AM (0sNs1)

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Heh. There are literally dozens of confessionals dotted throughout the cathedral, and they put up signs on each of the occupied ones with the languages the priest inside speaks. There were some fun combinations (Italian, Spanish, and...Korean).

My Italian overall was actually halfway decent, though. I had a few interactions I was quite proud of. Small things, but where I had to go from "I practiced this in my head" to improvisation after having to hear the fast speaking from the other person.

It's weird how saying, "Devo uscire?" can become such a weird mark of pride.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 10:37 AM (GBKbO)

189 Reminds me.

We all did confession in St. Peter's.

It's a humbling experience.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 10:34 AM (GBKbO)

Did everyone do selfies outside and then inside the confessional? Is there audio?

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 14, 2025 10:37 AM (g8Ew8)

190
So, no commenting on the ONT?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 14, 2025 10:33 AM (0sNs1)

__________

That's my Lenten penance. There are two others.

- Abstain from meat. But since I'm past 60, I no longer have to fast, which makes me sick anyway. So substituting one thing for another is no great sacrifice.

- Not listen to music. This has rather more bite, so it's my usual one.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 14, 2025 10:38 AM (kkTda)

191 189 Did everyone do selfies outside and then inside the confessional? Is there audio?
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 14, 2025 10:37 AM (g8Ew

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All on my TikTok!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 10:38 AM (GBKbO)

192 Reminds me.

We all did confession in St. Peter's.

It's a humbling experience.

You'd have to bring some really good sins.

Imagine confessing in all that grandeur when all you had was not putting the shopping cart back in the cart corral.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 14, 2025 10:38 AM (vYDwg)

193 Reminds me.

We all did confession in St. Peter's.

It's a humbling experience.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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I can certainly see what that is the case. Indelible mental reminder for the rest of your life.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2025 10:38 AM (ctrM5)

194 192 You'd have to bring some really good sins.

Imagine confessing in all that grandeur when all you had was not putting the shopping cart back in the cart corral.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 14, 2025 10:38 AM (vYDwg)

======

"I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die. And I lied to a priest."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 10:39 AM (GBKbO)

195
The Romans gave us Nadia Comanici.

Posted by: eleven at August 14, 2025 10:35 AM

wait...shouldn't that be the Romainians?

Posted by: AltonJackson at August 14, 2025 10:39 AM (tljrc)

196
There were some fun combinations (Italian, Spanish, and...Korean).

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I went to Confession yesterday. The sign said English - Tagalog - Spanish.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 14, 2025 10:39 AM (kkTda)

197 😄

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 14, 2025 10:39 AM (g8Ew8)

198 How bad is the tariff fueled market crash today? Stocks are down to levels not seen since Monday. It’s that bad.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 14, 2025 10:29 AM (9c0bR)
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Would you like your hair to be doused?

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 14, 2025 10:40 AM (RIvkX)

199 TaraBull@TaraBull808

A Colorado man who is a self described "Wolf Furry" was mauled after trying to join a Wyoming wolf pack in the wild

Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 14, 2025 10:40 AM (TGPs7)

200 193 I can certainly see what that is the case. Indelible mental reminder for the rest of your life.
Posted by: whig at August 14, 2025 10:38 AM (ctrM5)

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The first time I went into St. Peter's, when I was about 17 on a trip with my father, it was during Christmas.

The temperature differential did something interesting in the basilica.

There was a haze at the ceiling. It was clouds. The ceiling is so high that it can form the beginnings of its own environment.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at August 14, 2025 10:41 AM (GBKbO)

201 Christ's charge to Peter

Matthew 16
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Posted by: muldoon at August 14, 2025 10:42 AM (I0N4X)

202 A Colorado man who is a self described "Wolf Furry" was mauled after trying to join a Wyoming wolf pack in the wild
Finally, some good news...

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at August 14, 2025 10:42 AM (XMwZJ)

203 >The Romans gave us Nadia Comanici.
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sure, sure
Romaine lettuce
roman tic comedies
the Roman ovs
Roman candles, always fun

Posted by: Don Black at August 14, 2025 10:43 AM (AOsQT)

204
wait...shouldn't that be the Romainians?
Posted by: AltonJackson at August 14, 2025 10:39 AM (tljrc)

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No, they gave us the salad.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 14, 2025 10:43 AM (kkTda)

205 There was a haze at the ceiling. It was clouds. The ceiling is so high that it can form the beginnings of its own environment.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Interesting!

A good metaphor for mankind reaching toward the heavens.

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2025 10:43 AM (ctrM5)

206 The Romans gave us Caesar salad...duh.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at August 14, 2025 10:44 AM (XMwZJ)

207 Some women aren't very cosmopolitan, given they complain about Roman hands and Russian fingers.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 14, 2025 10:44 AM (0sNs1)

208 It's weird how saying, "Devo uscire?" can become such a weird mark of pride.

Bravo, bravissimo!

The Giggle has made speaking ‘in tongues’ so much easier for tourists. Glad you didn’t go that route and just show the paisano your phone when you got stuck.
When I need to communicate with Messican workers, I look up the phrase or question, then repeat it to the vato, because the Italian and Spanish pronunciation and inflections are so similar.
I can read Espanol, can’t speak it fluently though.

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2025 10:44 AM (6z+Zw)

209 Roman candle. Surely that was Roman.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 14, 2025 10:45 AM (9c0bR)

210 >The Romans gave us Caesar salad...duh.
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Pepperoni Hot Pockets

Posted by: Don Black at August 14, 2025 10:45 AM (AOsQT)

211 A Colorado man who is a self described "Wolf Furry" was mauled after trying to join a Wyoming wolf pack in the wild
Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 14, 2025 10:40 AM (TGPs7)

I guess the yiffing got a bit rough.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 14, 2025 10:45 AM (g8Ew8)

212 The impact of these renaissance masterworks on its initial audience must have been profound. Images, by today's availability, were on the rare side; such works as Raffaello's Christ's Charge to Peter must have filled one with an overwhelming sense of the completeness of Christianity.

Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at August 14, 2025 10:46 AM (9vYpt)

213 I can understand just enough Spanish to call a vato out when he and his primo are conversing in their language in front of me.

Then, all of a sudden, I get the REAL story.

Posted by: kallisto at August 14, 2025 10:46 AM (6z+Zw)

214 Raphael was the Mozart of painters. (I recognize this is backward). Also died in his 30s from, according to historians of the time, "exhaustion brought on by unceasing romantic interests while he was working on the Loggia."

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at August 14, 2025 10:46 AM (wzAuc)

215 Don't forget, once Hawai'i was discovered, the Romans gave us pineapple on pizza.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at August 14, 2025 10:47 AM (0sNs1)

216 >A Colorado man who is a self described "Wolf Furry" was mauled after trying to join a Wyoming wolf pack in the wild
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move over, Florida Man
you've met your match

Posted by: Don Black at August 14, 2025 10:47 AM (AOsQT)

217 The Romans gave us the heartburn that follows consumption of spicy meatballs.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 14, 2025 10:49 AM (wVcYX)

218 Life in 2025…

Reuters Headline: Meta’s flirty AI chatbot invited a retiree to New York. He never made it home.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at August 14, 2025 10:49 AM (9c0bR)

219 died in his 30s from, according to historians of the time, "exhaustion brought on by unceasing romantic interests

So, VD.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at August 14, 2025 10:50 AM (2bTgT)

220 died in his 30s from, according to historians of the time, "exhaustion brought on by unceasing romantic interests

So, VD.
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at August 14, 2025 10:50 AM (2bTgT)

Heh. The French disease.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 14, 2025 10:52 AM (g8Ew8)

221 And in that story, they hide the lead,

"It is acceptable to engage a child in conversations that are romantic or sensual,” according to Meta’s “GenAI: Content Risk Standards.” The standards are used by Meta staff and contractors who build and train the company’s generative AI products, defining what they should and shouldn’t treat as permissible chatbot behavior. Meta said it struck that provision after Reuters inquired about the document earlier this month.

The document seen by Reuters, which exceeds 200 pages, provides examples of “acceptable” chatbot dialogue during romantic role play with a minor. They include: “I take your hand, guiding you to the bed” and “our bodies entwined, I cherish every moment, every touch, every kiss.” Those examples of permissible roleplay with children have also been struck, Meta said.

Other guidelines emphasize that Meta doesn’t require bots to give users accurate advice. In one example, the policy document says it would be acceptable for a chatbot to tell someone that Stage 4 colon cancer “is typically treated by poking the stomach with healing quartz crystals."

Posted by: whig at August 14, 2025 10:52 AM (ctrM5)

222 199 TaraBull@TaraBull808

A Colorado man who is a self described "Wolf Furry" was mauled after trying to join a Wyoming wolf pack in the wild
Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 14, 2025 10:40 AM (TGPs7)

What a moroon!

Posted by: Timothy Treadwell at August 14, 2025 10:54 AM (pfLc5)

223 A Colorado man who is a self described "Wolf Furry" was mauled after trying to join a Wyoming wolf pack in the wild

*******

Obviously bogus story.

Funny in concept, though.

Posted by: muldoon at August 14, 2025 10:55 AM (I0N4X)

224 The Romans gave us Caesar salad...duh.
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Pepperoni Hot Pockets
Posted by: Don Black

Oh please - SpaghettiO's for the win.

Posted by: Tonypete at August 14, 2025 10:57 AM (cYBz/)

225 My wife is, theoretically, flying home today. Her first flight, however, has already been delayed four times.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 14, 2025 10:57 AM (ExV1e)

226 187 @LeadingRepor 5m
BREAKING: Democrat LA Councilman Curren Price has been charged with corruption, for allegedly embezzling $800,000, per NYP.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2025 10:34 AM (mlg/3)

See? Good government doesn't come cheap.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 14, 2025 10:36 AM (vYDwg)

Cheap government is expensive.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 14, 2025 10:58 AM (M3HT1)

227 225 My wife is, theoretically, flying home today. Her first flight, however, has already been delayed four times.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at August 14, 2025 10:57 AM (ExV1e

In the quantum world, she's already flown home.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at August 14, 2025 11:00 AM (M3HT1)

228 Nood. Grave markers, so be serious.

Posted by: Timothy Treadwell at August 14, 2025 11:01 AM (pfLc5)

229 Nood rant

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2025 11:01 AM (Bs2bL)

230 Cheap government is expensive.
Posted by: AlaBAMA

Prisons are expensive but worth every dime.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2025 11:01 AM (mlg/3)

231 Second leading story at KMTN local news radio in Jackson, Wy:

PET GOLDFISH FOUND SWIMMING IN MAY PARK POND

No local stories about wolf mauling which would certainly bump the goldfish story.

Posted by: muldoon at August 14, 2025 11:03 AM (I0N4X)

232 Some thoughts on the various meanings of "On this rock I will build my church" from a conservative Protestant biblical question and answer site : "Got Questions:

https://tinyurl.com/39fbvdka

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 14, 2025 11:07 AM (2GCMq)

233 willowed

"An anti-Trump agitator is accused of shooting a wheelchair-bound man in the chest in Seattle, Washington, over an allegation of “stolen valor.”

Civilians need to stop trying to adjudicate Stolen Valor. Most of them, like Sarah Hoyt, have no clue what they're talking about. And have a casual attitude re the damage they inflict on innocent veterans who have served honorably. They're going to get themselves killed.

And no, she still hasn't retracted her lies about my service as a Marine. If you're going to talk trash about someone's military service, have the integrity to eat some crow when your wrong.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at August 14, 2025 11:09 AM (ciYHQ)

234 "For me, the big attraction of Rome would be seeing the ancient stuff. Colosseum, etc."

Friend of mine visited Rome. He's from Mexico, big catholic family. Grew up in poverty, the kind that makes our homeless look like posers.

So he visits the Vatican, the amount of gold he sees makes him vomit. He apologizes to tour guide LOL and quits Catholicism that day.

Posted by: Fenrisulven at August 14, 2025 11:17 AM (ciYHQ)

235 He's running through the other branches of Christianity today. His biggest jump was from Baptist to Methodist. His commentary is hysterical and his English is good. I wish I could get him to podcast but he's too shy

Posted by: Fenrisulven at August 14, 2025 11:21 AM (ciYHQ)

236 Jesus is just trying to distract from the Epstein files.

Posted by: NYT at August 14, 2025 11:39 AM (QQenh)

237 I had the privilege of seeing the cartoons in London and the completed tapestries at the Met some years ago. I went three times.

It was a profound experience. The glories of Western Civilization can be found during the Renaissance, specifically Italy, in my view.

My daily worry is that some scumbag will try to damage any of those priceless works of art and faith.

Posted by: vivi at August 14, 2025 11:59 AM (zp4/T)

238 Raphael is a terrific painter but very derivative. Michaelangelo (who Raphael copied like crazy) had much for inner life in his works in painting and sculpture.

Posted by: vivi at August 14, 2025 12:09 PM (zp4/T)

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