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Gun Thread: Late Middle July Edition!
FUNdamentals Please do not shoot like this. This is the opposite of good fundamentals. It is worse than no fundamentals at all, so for the love of all that is good, just don't shoot like this. Thank you.
Steve McQueen's Mare's Leg
Curio & Relic Eligible! Weasel hearts his Colt SP-1, and it's hard to believe, but it is becoming eligible as a C&R transfer!
Crossbow v. Longbow Do you have a preference?
Our Pal The Kingsbury Thrust Bearing
Highway Patrol!
This week's episode: Double Death!
All Monsters Attack!
Musical Interlude
The Outlaws and a live version of Ghost Riders from 1981.
Liga Undercrown is Drew Estate's more affordable (and available) line alongside the pricey and elusive Liga Privada. I reviewed the connecticut (Shade) version here recently. The maduro is of course much closer to its Privada cousins, and shares one leaf (the stalk-cut Connecticut habano oscuro, in this case used as binder). The wrapper is a handsome chocolate brown Mexican Otapan Negro leaf with lots of "tooth" - rustic texture and visible veins. Fillers are from Nicaragua, and mata fina from Brazil. The draw on this gran toro (6 X 52) was just how I like it, easy but not too easy. Burn line required some touch-ups along the way, and smoke was good. Very consistent flavor profile throughout - tobacco sweetness and a persistent if faint chocolate note. Medium bodied, smooth, and less earthy than most maduros I've tried. A very nice cigar you can find online for $8.Most bigly excellent, rhomboid! Thank you!
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Comments
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BANG!!!! Are we there yet?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 20, 2025 07:02 PM (Jm6kM)
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Bang!
Posted by: Accomack at July 20, 2025 07:03 PM (ivEDQ)
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Stoopid Joisey wannabee
Posted by: Accomack at July 20, 2025 07:04 PM (ivEDQ)
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About dam time.
Scoobs, you must be hitting refresh like a coke-addled democrat.
Scoobs, you must be hitting refresh like a coke-addled democrat.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 07:04 PM (DiLbP)
Posted by: Puddleglum, chillin' in Amish Country at July 20, 2025 07:05 PM (uGaBv)
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Maybe the gangstas should turn their head sideways too.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 20, 2025 07:06 PM (63Dwl)
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Hola, Muchachos! We ride! Yee Haw!
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at July 20, 2025 07:06 PM (T9DW5)
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Good evening Horde and thanks Weasel!
Posted by: TRex works on fundamentals at July 20, 2025 07:06 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Thank you for the Gun Thread!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 20, 2025 07:07 PM (pGb63)
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4 About dam time.
Scoobs, you must be hitting refresh like a coke-addled democrat.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 07:04 PM
Nope, came into my office after having dinner and posted. Thread was up for 2 minutes before I hit Enter!!
Ya'll are slacking off!!!!!
Scoobs, you must be hitting refresh like a coke-addled democrat.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 07:04 PM
Nope, came into my office after having dinner and posted. Thread was up for 2 minutes before I hit Enter!!
Ya'll are slacking off!!!!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 20, 2025 07:08 PM (Jm6kM)
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Just a heads up. I've noticed that several vendors have been offering sale prices and/or free hazmat on powder and primers. And they have them in stock. Natchez and Midsouth come to mind. Even the sale prices make me wince but they are better than a couple of years ago.
Posted by: JTB at July 20, 2025 07:09 PM (yTvNw)
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Way to go Scoob on the FIRST! Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a special thanks for the Gub Thread to our host Weasel.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at July 20, 2025 07:11 PM (v23vE)
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No range report. Will be off for a couple of days starting Thursday. Am going to try and go next Monday.
Weasel, nice musical selection. After Johnny Cash, the Outlaws version of Ghost Riders is one of my favorites.
Weasel, nice musical selection. After Johnny Cash, the Outlaws version of Ghost Riders is one of my favorites.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 20, 2025 07:12 PM (Jm6kM)
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No real range time but I did get a Strikeman trainer. Anybody have one? Thought it might be fun to plink at during zoom meetings and such. My first impressions are... whelming, at best. First off, the laser module uses rubber o-rings to center in the chamber so it's not guaranteed concentric. Hits to POI varies with orientation. Second, unless I'm missing something, it appears that without upgrading ($$!) the only mode is simple shot string recording, no timing, no splits. Third, according to the instructions, the phone should be within 10 ft of the target. That's not too convenient if you want to be further.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 20, 2025 07:15 PM (/y8xj)
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Good evening.
Thanks again, weasel!
Anyone else get drawn in by the thrust bearing video? Fascinating stuff. And explained well enough even a simpleton such as myself can understand.
Thanks again, weasel!
Anyone else get drawn in by the thrust bearing video? Fascinating stuff. And explained well enough even a simpleton such as myself can understand.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 20, 2025 07:15 PM (tT6L1)
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12 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at July 20, 2025 07:11 PM
Thanks! How are things going?
Someone mentioned that the next time I go to Ohio I should go visit the CMP store.
Maybe I will and hopefully walk out with something. ;-)
Thanks! How are things going?
Someone mentioned that the next time I go to Ohio I should go visit the CMP store.
Maybe I will and hopefully walk out with something. ;-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 20, 2025 07:16 PM (Jm6kM)
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Good evening Weasel and everyone else...thankfully, I finally have a range report. It's been too long since I've been to the range, they have RSOs I don't recognize! Anyway, started as one might expect when routine practice has been interrupted...but focusing on stance, my non-dominant arm, and the iron sights and it didn't take long before there were holes in the 3 in circle. And I was excited that those holes were consistent each round, and even when I started firing faster (usually that's when it all falls apart). So, a very valuable trip and I'm looking forward to the next trip
Posted by: The Grateful at July 20, 2025 07:17 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I took advantage of that Natchez sale to get 1K each of CCI large and small military rifle primers with no hazmat.
Still had to pay out the butt for shipping and tax.
Still had to pay out the butt for shipping and tax.
Posted by: toby928 is this a trope? at July 20, 2025 07:19 PM (zvxJ9)
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Posted by: The Grateful at July 20, 2025 07:17 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Notice that by focusing on fundamentals it doesn't take as long to get back into the groove?
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Notice that by focusing on fundamentals it doesn't take as long to get back into the groove?
Posted by: Weasel at July 20, 2025 07:19 PM (jH5TK)
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17 Posted by: The Grateful at July 20, 2025 07:17 PM
Good to hear!!!
I have many many fundamentals I will have to go over when I next visit the range.
Good to hear!!!
I have many many fundamentals I will have to go over when I next visit the range.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 20, 2025 07:20 PM (Jm6kM)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 20, 2025 07:22 PM (Jm6kM)
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Range report, final load development edition. Hit the range to test some reloaded once fired brass against new brass. I had some suspicions the new brass was running just a bit cooler than the previously fired brass. I loaded up new brass 2 tenths of a grain more powder than once fired. And wound up with identical muzzle velocities. The ridiculous part? I was running well under 10 fps extreme spread on all of the brass. The reloads demonstrated excellent accuracy which meant I was set for the 1,000 yards match the following day. Even hit the thousand yard range and confirmed I could hit the 14x17 steel @ 1029 yards. This was for 30.06, by the way.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 20, 2025 07:23 PM (tT6L1)
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Thanks for the Gun Thread Weasel!
Posted by: DBCoooper at July 20, 2025 07:23 PM (iZBfk)
Posted by: Chico Marx at July 20, 2025 07:23 PM (i0F8b)
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blake, the Kingsbury Thrust Bearing video was awesome. Imagine being Mr. Kingsbury!
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 07:25 PM (DiLbP)
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blake, the Kingsbury Thrust Bearing video was awesome. Imagine being Mr. Kingsbury!
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 07:25 PM (DiLbP)
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Yeah. The engineering involved is amazing. I'm sure it's an iterative design evolution. Still. though, I sort of like the idea of seeing a propeller shaft shot through the bow of a ship because someone forgot about Newton's Third Law.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 07:25 PM (DiLbP)
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Yeah. The engineering involved is amazing. I'm sure it's an iterative design evolution. Still. though, I sort of like the idea of seeing a propeller shaft shot through the bow of a ship because someone forgot about Newton's Third Law.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 20, 2025 07:29 PM (tT6L1)
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Anyone else get drawn in by the thrust bearing video? Fascinating stuff. And explained well enough even a simpleton such as myself can understand.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 20, 2025 07:15 PM
Not gonna lie...that was pretty interesting.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 20, 2025 07:15 PM
Not gonna lie...that was pretty interesting.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 20, 2025 07:29 PM (Wnv9h)
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Sigh....
*reads cigar review*
*looks at credit card statement*
*adds the Drew Estate Liga Undercrown to shopping list*
*reads cigar review*
*looks at credit card statement*
*adds the Drew Estate Liga Undercrown to shopping list*
Posted by: Diogenes at July 20, 2025 07:29 PM (W/lyH)
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Not gonna lie...that was pretty interesting.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 20, 2025 07:29 PM (Wnv9h)
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Weasel knows his audience, doesn't he?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 20, 2025 07:29 PM (Wnv9h)
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Weasel knows his audience, doesn't he?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 20, 2025 07:30 PM (tT6L1)
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Action rifle match this morning. Once again only shooter with no plastic or optics (M1 carbine).
Match director told me weeks back this would be mostly short range, so carbine would work. Longest shot was 100 yds. But with a 30-second par time - though main problem for me was seeing the plates, as they were painted green, in shadow.
Did OK except didn’t remember to just point shoot (look over the front sight, spot impact and adjust) until a few stages in.
As always lots of love and interest in the rifle, especially from the youngin’s.
Match director told me weeks back this would be mostly short range, so carbine would work. Longest shot was 100 yds. But with a 30-second par time - though main problem for me was seeing the plates, as they were painted green, in shadow.
Did OK except didn’t remember to just point shoot (look over the front sight, spot impact and adjust) until a few stages in.
As always lots of love and interest in the rifle, especially from the youngin’s.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 20, 2025 07:33 PM (ollJN)
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The Drew Undercrown series are very nice cigars.
I have a couple sitting in the winedore.
I have a couple sitting in the winedore.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 20, 2025 07:34 PM (/lPRQ)
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No range report this week, and probably next week either, but around the end of this month my late BIL's 3 sons will all be home at the family farm for a few days, and we'll be shooting some of their dad's guns that I've been keeping for them. And afterwards toast their old man, share some memories, and maybe shed a tear or two.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at July 20, 2025 07:34 PM (T9DW5)
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Not gonna lie...that was pretty interesting.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 20, 2025 07:29 PM (Wnv9h)
RMBS, my mind immediately goes to an intervening event where no one alive knows about this stuff and has to relearn everything. Multiply thrust bearings times a million other basic concepts.
The monks were able to keep written records during the Dark Ages. It would be much harder today.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 20, 2025 07:29 PM (Wnv9h)
RMBS, my mind immediately goes to an intervening event where no one alive knows about this stuff and has to relearn everything. Multiply thrust bearings times a million other basic concepts.
The monks were able to keep written records during the Dark Ages. It would be much harder today.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 07:34 PM (fRFTM)
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Hello Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 07:36 PM (BCwQW)
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And explained well enough even a simpleton such as myself can understand.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker
Yes to both observations!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker
Yes to both observations!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 20, 2025 07:36 PM (pGb63)
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Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 07:34 PM
I find myself reflecting a lot more lately on just how fragile modern civilization really is.
I find myself reflecting a lot more lately on just how fragile modern civilization really is.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 20, 2025 07:37 PM (Wnv9h)
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Diogenes, know what you mean. I’m working on a review of cheaper bundle cigars that I will finish some day. Right now burning one of my faves in that category, Artisan Tabak barber pole (an Atlantic Cigar exclusive I think). Perfect summer day. Really should wash the car after, east county ranges are very dusty. Then need to do full disassemble/clean on both carbines, and give the stock on the Auto Ordnance repro its annual BLO treatment (nice walnut, has darkened to a beautiful rich color).
Posted by: rhomboid at July 20, 2025 07:40 PM (ollJN)
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and now for the dismal range report for the 1,000 yard match. Day started off well, light breeze, fairly consistent and I though, "great, light 4 to 6 mph breeze, match should go well."
Sigh, I should have learned better by now. I wound up in the third flight after the draw.
1st sighter, no hit on target. I'm looking at things, trying to figure out what went wrong, then realized I'd dropped the round about 800 yards short. I forgot my zero stop is set up so I can dial it down a bit, if necessary. And the spot it was sitting on had me thinking I'd not rolled it back to zero after the previous day. Obviously, I wasn't smart though to double check.
I got on paper, and that was about as good as it got. The erstwhile breeze turned into wind gusts up to 15mph. On the upside, I did catch things a couple of times when things dropped off considerably. But, I didn't trust my instincts on the last shot and was way over corrected for non existent wind. I'd forgotten to compare the near flag to the far. Still though, no misses even though I ended up with a pathetic 75.
Sigh, I should have learned better by now. I wound up in the third flight after the draw.
1st sighter, no hit on target. I'm looking at things, trying to figure out what went wrong, then realized I'd dropped the round about 800 yards short. I forgot my zero stop is set up so I can dial it down a bit, if necessary. And the spot it was sitting on had me thinking I'd not rolled it back to zero after the previous day. Obviously, I wasn't smart though to double check.
I got on paper, and that was about as good as it got. The erstwhile breeze turned into wind gusts up to 15mph. On the upside, I did catch things a couple of times when things dropped off considerably. But, I didn't trust my instincts on the last shot and was way over corrected for non existent wind. I'd forgotten to compare the near flag to the far. Still though, no misses even though I ended up with a pathetic 75.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 20, 2025 07:40 PM (tT6L1)
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share some memories, and maybe shed a tear or two.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
Sounds like a great time, good luck.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
Sounds like a great time, good luck.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 20, 2025 07:41 PM (pGb63)
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36 I find myself reflecting a lot more lately on just how fragile modern civilization really is.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 20, 2025 07:37 PM
I think I read somewhere Manhattan only has around 3-5 days worth of food.
Think of what would happen if supplies stopped for what ever reason. The City would erupt in chaos.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 20, 2025 07:37 PM
I think I read somewhere Manhattan only has around 3-5 days worth of food.
Think of what would happen if supplies stopped for what ever reason. The City would erupt in chaos.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 20, 2025 07:41 PM (Jm6kM)
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I find myself reflecting a lot more lately on just how fragile modern civilization really is.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 20, 2025 07:37 PM (Wnv9h)
Fer sher. The other piece is that we have mined all the easily accessible stuff. If a future society needed metals/coal, etc., it would be a lot more difficult.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 20, 2025 07:37 PM (Wnv9h)
Fer sher. The other piece is that we have mined all the easily accessible stuff. If a future society needed metals/coal, etc., it would be a lot more difficult.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 07:41 PM (fRFTM)
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I think I read somewhere Manhattan only has around 3-5 days worth of food.
Think of what would happen if supplies stopped for what ever reason. The City would erupt in chaos.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 20, 2025 07:41 PM (Jm6kM)
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Long pig would probably become a staple in some larders.
Think of what would happen if supplies stopped for what ever reason. The City would erupt in chaos.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 20, 2025 07:41 PM (Jm6kM)
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Long pig would probably become a staple in some larders.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 20, 2025 07:42 PM (tT6L1)
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This is the second week in a row that Weasel has not made a near-histrionic outburst about focusing on fundamentals *every* time you practice.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, if you will, but I have a theory as to why this is so.
Let us connect two recent events. Weasel's retirement, and the very-recently concluded semi-annual AoSHQ Commentator Reviews by Ace and the CoBs, which are recorded in your Permanent Records.
My theory is that a number of you, a very large number of you, have not been, in fact, focusing on fundamentals. This, of course, has had Weasel extremely busy notating this in your Permanent Records, and Ace, when he observed the exponential growth in your Permanent Records caused by the notations, and he correlated this with the large and unexplained (in his mind) increase in record storage costs, unloaded on Weasel in a Krakatoaian fashion, making his previously epic 0700 hrs EST rants to Weasel about the Food Thread having more comments than the Gun Thread look like squib loads.
Weasel, given his gravitas, resolved not to trigger this again, and he has dropped, except perhaps for mild reproofs now and then, his exhortations on fundamentals.d
Call me a conspiracy theorist, if you will, but I have a theory as to why this is so.
Let us connect two recent events. Weasel's retirement, and the very-recently concluded semi-annual AoSHQ Commentator Reviews by Ace and the CoBs, which are recorded in your Permanent Records.
My theory is that a number of you, a very large number of you, have not been, in fact, focusing on fundamentals. This, of course, has had Weasel extremely busy notating this in your Permanent Records, and Ace, when he observed the exponential growth in your Permanent Records caused by the notations, and he correlated this with the large and unexplained (in his mind) increase in record storage costs, unloaded on Weasel in a Krakatoaian fashion, making his previously epic 0700 hrs EST rants to Weasel about the Food Thread having more comments than the Gun Thread look like squib loads.
Weasel, given his gravitas, resolved not to trigger this again, and he has dropped, except perhaps for mild reproofs now and then, his exhortations on fundamentals.d
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 20, 2025 07:43 PM (0sNs1)
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Our military-industrial base, especially the labor for shipbuilding, is actually facing the situation y’all are discussing - lost skills and knowledge.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 20, 2025 07:43 PM (ollJN)
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Did OK except didn’t remember to just point shoot (look over the front sight, spot impact and adjust) until a few stages in.
As always lots of love and interest in the rifle, especially from the youngin’s.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 20, 2025 07:33 PM (ollJN)
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That sounds like a ton of fun.
As always lots of love and interest in the rifle, especially from the youngin’s.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 20, 2025 07:33 PM (ollJN)
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That sounds like a ton of fun.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 20, 2025 07:43 PM (tT6L1)
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I took advantage of that Natchez sale to get 1K each of CCI large and small military rifle primers with no hazmat.
Still had to pay out the butt for shipping and tax.
Posted by: toby928
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About a month ago I got e-mail of 'free hazmat'. Went to the webpage and foundthey had good price for small military primers and free regular shipping too! ... reads fine print... With $200 min purchase.
Bummer I just want 1k or 2k primers, but to get the free everything I would need to get 5k primers. So passed on the offer.
Still had to pay out the butt for shipping and tax.
Posted by: toby928
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About a month ago I got e-mail of 'free hazmat'. Went to the webpage and foundthey had good price for small military primers and free regular shipping too! ... reads fine print... With $200 min purchase.
Bummer I just want 1k or 2k primers, but to get the free everything I would need to get 5k primers. So passed on the offer.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 20, 2025 07:44 PM (/lPRQ)
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40 I think I read somewhere Manhattan only has around 3-5 days worth of food.
Think of what would happen if supplies stopped for what ever reason. The City would erupt in chaos.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 20, 2025 07:41 PM
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Ditto for electricity and internet service.
Think of what would happen if supplies stopped for what ever reason. The City would erupt in chaos.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 20, 2025 07:41 PM
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Ditto for electricity and internet service.
Posted by: TRex is now reminded about disaster prep at July 20, 2025 07:44 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Notice that by focusing on fundamentals it doesn't take as long to get back into the groove?
Posted by: Weasel
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Absolutely. After the first round, I immediately started reviewing the fundamentals...each round improved and after about 4-6 more rounds I was back in the game. Very satisfying...
Posted by: Weasel
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Absolutely. After the first round, I immediately started reviewing the fundamentals...each round improved and after about 4-6 more rounds I was back in the game. Very satisfying...
Posted by: The Grateful at July 20, 2025 07:46 PM (IQ6Gq)
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think I read somewhere Manhattan only has around 3-5 days worth of food.
Think of what would happen if supplies stopped for what ever reason. The City would erupt in chaos.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude
not just there, every major and small city.
Think of what would happen if supplies stopped for what ever reason. The City would erupt in chaos.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude
not just there, every major and small city.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 20, 2025 07:46 PM (pGb63)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 20, 2025 07:46 PM (63Dwl)
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About a month ago I got e-mail of 'free hazmat'. Went to the webpage and foundthey had good price for small military primers and free regular shipping too! ... reads fine print... With $200 min purchase.
Bummer I just want 1k or 2k primers, but to get the free everything I would need to get 5k primers. So passed on the offer.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 20, 2025 07:44 PM (/lPRQ)
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heh, I was buying some boolitts on Midway and the fine print said, "free shipping if the order is over $100." Just under with two boxes, so, oh darn, added another.
Bummer I just want 1k or 2k primers, but to get the free everything I would need to get 5k primers. So passed on the offer.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 20, 2025 07:44 PM (/lPRQ)
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heh, I was buying some boolitts on Midway and the fine print said, "free shipping if the order is over $100." Just under with two boxes, so, oh darn, added another.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 20, 2025 07:46 PM (tT6L1)
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Fer sher. The other piece is that we have mined all the easily accessible stuff. If a future society needed metals/coal, etc., it would be a lot more difficult.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 07:41 PM
P'shaw. There's an entire solar system out there with metals to be mined. All we need to do is get some low Earth orbit facilities out there. In terms of energy, once you're in low Earth orbit, you're halfway to anywhere.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a *strong* proponent of Earth First!
We'll mine the other planets later.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 07:41 PM
P'shaw. There's an entire solar system out there with metals to be mined. All we need to do is get some low Earth orbit facilities out there. In terms of energy, once you're in low Earth orbit, you're halfway to anywhere.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a *strong* proponent of Earth First!
We'll mine the other planets later.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 20, 2025 07:47 PM (0sNs1)
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Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 20, 2025 07:43 PM (0sNs1)
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Conditions are so dire I fear I may have to revert to the fundamentals of fundamentals.
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Conditions are so dire I fear I may have to revert to the fundamentals of fundamentals.
Posted by: Weasel at July 20, 2025 07:47 PM (13bqY)
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magine being Mr. Kingsbury!
Imagine being Mrs. Kingsbury with all those shoes.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
That's Mrs. Imelda Kingsbury yo you!
Imagine being Mrs. Kingsbury with all those shoes.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
That's Mrs. Imelda Kingsbury yo you!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 20, 2025 07:48 PM (pGb63)
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My understand is that the meeting invitations to receive and review your AoSHQ mid-year Commentator Review results will be going out shortly, starting with the higher-tier membership levels, and working their way down.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 20, 2025 07:49 PM (0sNs1)
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'shaw. There's an entire solar system out there with metals to be mined. All we need to do is get some low Earth orbit facilities out there. In terms of energy, once you're in low Earth orbit, you're halfway to anywhere.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a *strong* proponent of Earth First!
We'll mine the other planets later.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
With big mylar mirrors for smelting!
Don't get me wrong, I'm a *strong* proponent of Earth First!
We'll mine the other planets later.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
With big mylar mirrors for smelting!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 20, 2025 07:50 PM (pGb63)
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My understand is that the meeting invitations to receive and review your AoSHQ mid-year Commentator Review results will be going out shortly, starting with the higher-tier membership levels, and working their way down.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 20, 2025 07:49 PM (0sNs1)
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It's my understanding premier membership is: Cardboard. I shudder to think what the lower tiers may be.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 20, 2025 07:49 PM (0sNs1)
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It's my understanding premier membership is: Cardboard. I shudder to think what the lower tiers may be.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 20, 2025 07:51 PM (tT6L1)
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I find myself reflecting a lot more lately on just how fragile modern civilization really is.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 20, 2025 07:37 PM (Wnv9h)
One of the reasons I always liked doing calculations by hand is I could sense when a calculation had gone to shit. We have gotten to a point where information and chain of logic and reasoning has gotten to attenuated that... would a lot of kids realize when an 'AI' 'hallucinates' and tells them flat out bullshit?
Would anyone trust an ai for life and death calculations or design without double and triple checking?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 20, 2025 07:37 PM (Wnv9h)
One of the reasons I always liked doing calculations by hand is I could sense when a calculation had gone to shit. We have gotten to a point where information and chain of logic and reasoning has gotten to attenuated that... would a lot of kids realize when an 'AI' 'hallucinates' and tells them flat out bullshit?
Would anyone trust an ai for life and death calculations or design without double and triple checking?
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 20, 2025 07:51 PM (zZu0s)
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Ok, blake, I have a follow up range report, similarly dismal.
I worked up the next .2 g ladder for the 6.5 120 g SMKs over Accurate 4350. This is on the upper end, approaching a compressed load.
First rung, not bad, about .75”. Next rung, fantastic, three round ragged hole .239”! So far so good.
Next 6 rungs, Da Fuq? 6” low and 3-4” groups, if you can call them that. Velocity all over the place and slow.
I need a judge’s ruling on whether having a loose suppressor counts as “wobbly shit”.
I worked up the next .2 g ladder for the 6.5 120 g SMKs over Accurate 4350. This is on the upper end, approaching a compressed load.
First rung, not bad, about .75”. Next rung, fantastic, three round ragged hole .239”! So far so good.
Next 6 rungs, Da Fuq? 6” low and 3-4” groups, if you can call them that. Velocity all over the place and slow.
I need a judge’s ruling on whether having a loose suppressor counts as “wobbly shit”.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 07:52 PM (fRFTM)
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My understand is that the meeting invitations to receive and review your AoSHQ mid-year Commentator Review results will be going out shortly, starting with the higher-tier membership levels, and working their way down.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 20, 2025 07:49 PM (0sNs1)
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Ugh. The waiting is the worst part...
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 20, 2025 07:49 PM (0sNs1)
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Ugh. The waiting is the worst part...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 20, 2025 07:52 PM (IBQGV)
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Went to the Chantilly show this weekend. As usual in the middle of the summer, attendance was light. A fair number of vendors weren't there either, probably taking a vacation themselves. The tariffs on imported firearms were noticeable; about 10% based on what I saw. That said, there were still interesting items to be found if you went looking for them. I had a .45 LC Colt Anaconda from the late 1990s follow me home this weekend.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 07:52 PM (BCwQW)
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Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 20, 2025 07:51 PM (zZu0s)
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Always examine a given solution for reasonableness!
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Always examine a given solution for reasonableness!
Posted by: Weasel at July 20, 2025 07:52 PM (13bqY)
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I've had thrust bearings let me down. Woe to those who under appreciate this vital component.
Posted by: fd at July 20, 2025 07:54 PM (vFG9F)
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41, yeah, I've had the same thoughts ... mining old landfills might become A Thing.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at July 20, 2025 07:55 PM (dKEEs)
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44 Our military-industrial base, especially the labor for shipbuilding, is actually facing the situation y’all are discussing - lost skills and knowledge.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 20, 2025 07:43 PM (ollJN)
Yes. The shipbuilding is so key. Especially as we consider how to deal with an enemy across a rather large body of water.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 20, 2025 07:43 PM (ollJN)
Yes. The shipbuilding is so key. Especially as we consider how to deal with an enemy across a rather large body of water.
Posted by: Cow Demon at July 20, 2025 07:55 PM (vm8sq)
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Woe to those who under appreciate this vital component.
Posted by: fd at July 20, 2025 07:54 PM (vFG9F)
Seems like there should be a Paolo joke in there somewhere.
Posted by: fd at July 20, 2025 07:54 PM (vFG9F)
Seems like there should be a Paolo joke in there somewhere.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 20, 2025 07:55 PM (zZu0s)
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got your email, fd!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at July 20, 2025 07:55 PM (dKEEs)
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If you're not grabbing your package when your pulling your gat, you're just an amateur.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at July 20, 2025 07:56 PM (/gTjv)
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Next 6 rungs, Da Fuq? 6” low and 3-4” groups, if you can call them that. Velocity all over the place and slow.
I need a judge’s ruling on whether having a loose suppressor counts as “wobbly shit”.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 07:52 PM (fRFTM)
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How did things go once you figured out the loose suppressor?
I need a judge’s ruling on whether having a loose suppressor counts as “wobbly shit”.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 07:52 PM (fRFTM)
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How did things go once you figured out the loose suppressor?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 20, 2025 07:57 PM (tT6L1)
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The Paolo has learned to, how you say, make sure of the bearing before the thrust.
Posted by: Paolo at July 20, 2025 07:59 PM (0sNs1)
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How did things go once you figured out the loose suppressor?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 20, 2025 07:57 PM (tT6L1)
Perfectly, with my usual 140s. Of course, I had shot up all the new loads before my “d’oh” moment arrived.
Back to the bench to try again. At least I found the best load (so far)!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 20, 2025 07:57 PM (tT6L1)
Perfectly, with my usual 140s. Of course, I had shot up all the new loads before my “d’oh” moment arrived.
Back to the bench to try again. At least I found the best load (so far)!
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 08:00 PM (fRFTM)
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Perfectly, with my usual 140s. Of course, I had shot up all the new loads before my “d’oh” moment arrived.
Back to the bench to try again. At least I found the best load (so far)!
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 08:00 PM (fRFTM)
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The "one ragged hole" is really a zen moment, isn't it? It means you've not only found the load, but, you were also on your game with your rifle.
Back to the bench to try again. At least I found the best load (so far)!
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 08:00 PM (fRFTM)
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The "one ragged hole" is really a zen moment, isn't it? It means you've not only found the load, but, you were also on your game with your rifle.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 20, 2025 08:01 PM (tT6L1)
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Ugh. The waiting is the worst part...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 20, 2025 07:52 PM (IBQGV)
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I'm guessing "The Barrel" doubles as "The Green Room."
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 20, 2025 07:52 PM (IBQGV)
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I'm guessing "The Barrel" doubles as "The Green Room."
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 20, 2025 08:02 PM (tT6L1)
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My understand is that the meeting invitations to receive and review your AoSHQ mid-year Commentator Review results will be going out shortly, starting with the higher-tier membership levels, and working their way down.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 20, 2025 07:49 PM (0sNs1)
*estimating...
Should see mine around October, then.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 20, 2025 07:49 PM (0sNs1)
*estimating...
Should see mine around October, then.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at July 20, 2025 08:03 PM (WIBSw)
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Cleaned all my AR15's yesterday. Haven't shot one in quite a while so just maintenance. I did lube up a couple of spare full auto BCG's that I purchased a few years ago and put them back in their packaging. One is none and two is one and all that...Made sure the red dots still powered as well. Back into the safe.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 20, 2025 08:03 PM (/U5Yz)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 20, 2025 08:04 PM (Jm6kM)
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On the "gangsta grip"....
First, I do not think the intent is to grab "the package." I think the intent is to grab the pants to keep them up while shooting. It so happens that most "gangstas" wear their pants such the waistband is somewhere around their crotch. Again, it helps if you understand the fundamentals.
Second, the problem with the "gangsta grip" is more fundamental than mere sight relationship to the eye. It seems to be an attitude that merely flinging lead at your opponent is enough to prove your bad-a**ery and to intimidate said opponent. This is also why they love full-auto fire. If he dies it was your bad-a**ery that did him in.
(BTW, the "raisin' your gangsta gun up high" is intended to fix one of the issues Miculek noted - the lack of vision. It moves the gun and arm entirely out of your sight and now you can adequately see the target to inflict your bad-a**ery on them.)
First, I do not think the intent is to grab "the package." I think the intent is to grab the pants to keep them up while shooting. It so happens that most "gangstas" wear their pants such the waistband is somewhere around their crotch. Again, it helps if you understand the fundamentals.
Second, the problem with the "gangsta grip" is more fundamental than mere sight relationship to the eye. It seems to be an attitude that merely flinging lead at your opponent is enough to prove your bad-a**ery and to intimidate said opponent. This is also why they love full-auto fire. If he dies it was your bad-a**ery that did him in.
(BTW, the "raisin' your gangsta gun up high" is intended to fix one of the issues Miculek noted - the lack of vision. It moves the gun and arm entirely out of your sight and now you can adequately see the target to inflict your bad-a**ery on them.)
Posted by: GWB at July 20, 2025 08:04 PM (Te2JU)
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68 If you're not grabbing your package when your pulling your gat, you're just an amateur.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at July 20, 2025 07:56 PM (/gTjv
I remember when thugs dressed better and had better manners
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at July 20, 2025 07:56 PM (/gTjv
I remember when thugs dressed better and had better manners
Posted by: Eromero at July 20, 2025 08:04 PM (LHPAg)
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It's my understanding premier membership is: Cardboard. I shudder to think what the lower tiers may be.
Posted by: blake
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Dung tier. You get all the toenail fungus and other horrible ads plus spam from those places into your email. On the other hand, it comes with per authorized Nigerian princes willing to share their wealth if you only do this one weird trick.
Posted by: blake
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Dung tier. You get all the toenail fungus and other horrible ads plus spam from those places into your email. On the other hand, it comes with per authorized Nigerian princes willing to share their wealth if you only do this one weird trick.
Posted by: whig at July 20, 2025 08:06 PM (ctrM5)
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44 Our military-industrial base, especially the labor for shipbuilding, is actually facing the situation y’all are discussing - lost skills and knowledge.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 20, 2025 07:43 PM (ollJN)
Yes. The shipbuilding is so key. Especially as we consider how to deal with an enemy across a rather large body of water.
Posted by: Cow Demon at July 20, 2025 07:55 PM (vm8sq)
Lost tech examples:
- Manufacturing hardened armor plate at scale.
- Heavy naval artillery (8" and up).
- Turret mechanisms for heavy guns.
- Floating dry docks large enough for modern surface ships and subs.
- Domestic AFFF (fire fighting foam) manufacturing capacity.
These are some of the reasons why bringing back the Iowa class BB's for another "last hurrah" is completely impractical.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 20, 2025 07:43 PM (ollJN)
Yes. The shipbuilding is so key. Especially as we consider how to deal with an enemy across a rather large body of water.
Posted by: Cow Demon at July 20, 2025 07:55 PM (vm8sq)
Lost tech examples:
- Manufacturing hardened armor plate at scale.
- Heavy naval artillery (8" and up).
- Turret mechanisms for heavy guns.
- Floating dry docks large enough for modern surface ships and subs.
- Domestic AFFF (fire fighting foam) manufacturing capacity.
These are some of the reasons why bringing back the Iowa class BB's for another "last hurrah" is completely impractical.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 08:06 PM (BCwQW)
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Suppresive fire.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 20, 2025 08:06 PM (zZu0s)
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Rhomboid,
I was all to fire up a gifted Cuban today (no label but a trusted source) but I've had to put on pants (I know...I know...this is the Horde.afterall) but today has been cool and I've been hanging about indoors. But I may sneak out for a go-to Hemingway Short Story.
I was all to fire up a gifted Cuban today (no label but a trusted source) but I've had to put on pants (I know...I know...this is the Horde.afterall) but today has been cool and I've been hanging about indoors. But I may sneak out for a go-to Hemingway Short Story.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 20, 2025 08:06 PM (W/lyH)
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Contra the laughing at the the "gangsta grip", though, is one fundamental:
If you have mastered the point in your shooting, you can shoot well (for certain values of 'well') from several positions of the gun. Humans naturally point accurately. If you get your grip aligned with your natural point, you can defensively shoot from the hip, from the chest, etc. No, it's not as accurate as with a nice stance, a two-handed grip, good lighting, a well-zeroed gun, etc. But, the better your point is, the more accurate you will be all the time.
If you have mastered the point in your shooting, you can shoot well (for certain values of 'well') from several positions of the gun. Humans naturally point accurately. If you get your grip aligned with your natural point, you can defensively shoot from the hip, from the chest, etc. No, it's not as accurate as with a nice stance, a two-handed grip, good lighting, a well-zeroed gun, etc. But, the better your point is, the more accurate you will be all the time.
Posted by: GWB at July 20, 2025 08:08 PM (Te2JU)
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Good evening gun threaders and all the ships at sea!
Somebody ask Ed L. What he just got.
No. Not the one in .45 Long Colt.
Somebody ask Ed L. What he just got.
No. Not the one in .45 Long Colt.
Posted by: blaster at July 20, 2025 08:11 PM (RoO7G)
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Not gonna lie...that was pretty interesting.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
Agreed. A few years ago I attended a bachelor party for one of my buds. All of us were in our mid-late 60's. The host began to display some 'films' (iykwim) and we badgered him so badly he took them down.
He called the angry crowd with films of a centrifugal crusher and a movie of seamless pipe manufacturing.
Funny what we find alluring at this age.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
Agreed. A few years ago I attended a bachelor party for one of my buds. All of us were in our mid-late 60's. The host began to display some 'films' (iykwim) and we badgered him so badly he took them down.
He called the angry crowd with films of a centrifugal crusher and a movie of seamless pipe manufacturing.
Funny what we find alluring at this age.
Posted by: Tonypete at July 20, 2025 08:12 PM (cYBz/)
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These are some of the reasons why bringing back the Iowa class BB's for another "last hurrah" is completely impractical.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 08:06 PM (BCwQW)
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Kind of sad, really, because it's my understanding the Iowa class ships have survival capabilities beyond ships currently in service. In other words, they can take a hit and keep on fighting.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 08:06 PM (BCwQW)
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Kind of sad, really, because it's my understanding the Iowa class ships have survival capabilities beyond ships currently in service. In other words, they can take a hit and keep on fighting.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 20, 2025 08:12 PM (tT6L1)
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All previous week, revisiting and fixing old computers up for their revitalization projects===ssds, processors with more cores, and a few other tricks. Forgot what a pita Win XP and Windows 2000 was. The Win 98 machine has boot issues due to a failing hd so on the plate to fix this week to download and decommission it.
I am mildly impressed that none of the rest of them have swelling capacitors, bad hardware, etc. The Windows 2000 machine will get the Zip drive donated to from the Win 98 system.
If you do have a very old system, Startech makes an IDE to Sata card along with the appropriate power stepdowns for replacing old IDE drives with SATA ssds. You do have to remember the whole master and slave setup.
All this so I can get back to my reloading bench and organize it after a major basement remodel last year. Bench itself is now clear, components are sorted, and ancillary items like spare holsters, magazines, etc. are now put in their own drawers and organized. Gun parts next along with oil/cleaning supplies.
I am mildly impressed that none of the rest of them have swelling capacitors, bad hardware, etc. The Windows 2000 machine will get the Zip drive donated to from the Win 98 system.
If you do have a very old system, Startech makes an IDE to Sata card along with the appropriate power stepdowns for replacing old IDE drives with SATA ssds. You do have to remember the whole master and slave setup.
All this so I can get back to my reloading bench and organize it after a major basement remodel last year. Bench itself is now clear, components are sorted, and ancillary items like spare holsters, magazines, etc. are now put in their own drawers and organized. Gun parts next along with oil/cleaning supplies.
Posted by: whig at July 20, 2025 08:12 PM (ctrM5)
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I think major surface combatants are going the way of the MBT in the era of drone warfare.
Autonomous stuff can loiter in the water for a long, long time.
You know how shipping containers just fall off ships and float around? Like that. Except it's a shipping container full of anti-ship missiles. And and AI running on a hardened embedded Linux platform.
Autonomous stuff can loiter in the water for a long, long time.
You know how shipping containers just fall off ships and float around? Like that. Except it's a shipping container full of anti-ship missiles. And and AI running on a hardened embedded Linux platform.
Posted by: blaster at July 20, 2025 08:15 PM (RoO7G)
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- Domestic AFFF (fire fighting foam) manufacturing capacity.
These are some of the reasons why bringing back the Iowa class BB's for another "last hurrah" is completely impractical.
Posted by: Ed L
Dawn Dishsoap is the preferred AFFF substitute.
Actual AFFF has been effectively banned and class action lawyers guild is trying to a 'judge' to find that it causes ass-cancer (having the same principle componants as Scotch Guard used on fabric seating for decades).
These are some of the reasons why bringing back the Iowa class BB's for another "last hurrah" is completely impractical.
Posted by: Ed L
Dawn Dishsoap is the preferred AFFF substitute.
Actual AFFF has been effectively banned and class action lawyers guild is trying to a 'judge' to find that it causes ass-cancer (having the same principle componants as Scotch Guard used on fabric seating for decades).
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 20, 2025 08:15 PM (/lPRQ)
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These are some of the reasons why bringing back the Iowa class BB's for another "last hurrah" is completely impractical.
Posted by: Ed L
Sources Say carriers may be obsolete in the age of drones.
These are some of the reasons why bringing back the Iowa class BB's for another "last hurrah" is completely impractical.
Posted by: Ed L
Sources Say carriers may be obsolete in the age of drones.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 20, 2025 08:16 PM (63Dwl)
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Rhomboid,
I was all to fire up a gifted Cuban today (no label but a trusted source) but I've had to put on pants (I know...I know...this is the Horde.afterall) but today has been cool and I've been hanging about indoors. But I may sneak out for a go-to Hemingway Short Story.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 20, 2025 08:06 PM
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Mixed things up a little there tonight. Newman & Co. Brick House Maduro. Very bueno!
I was all to fire up a gifted Cuban today (no label but a trusted source) but I've had to put on pants (I know...I know...this is the Horde.afterall) but today has been cool and I've been hanging about indoors. But I may sneak out for a go-to Hemingway Short Story.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 20, 2025 08:06 PM
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Mixed things up a little there tonight. Newman & Co. Brick House Maduro. Very bueno!
Posted by: Weasel at July 20, 2025 08:16 PM (oLdT5)
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80 These are some of the reasons why bringing back the Iowa class BB's for another "last hurrah" is completely impractical.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 08:06 PM
It would be nice if we could bring them back but certain skills and supplies are no longer available. I do not think there is any propellant available for the big 16" guns. How many shells are left?
Training a crew to man all the stations that are needed. The last Iowa BB was decommissioned in 1992. That is 33 years.
Also, the expense to bring them out of mothballs (though all of them are now museums) and then upgrade the systems are prohibitively expensive.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 08:06 PM
It would be nice if we could bring them back but certain skills and supplies are no longer available. I do not think there is any propellant available for the big 16" guns. How many shells are left?
Training a crew to man all the stations that are needed. The last Iowa BB was decommissioned in 1992. That is 33 years.
Also, the expense to bring them out of mothballs (though all of them are now museums) and then upgrade the systems are prohibitively expensive.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 20, 2025 08:17 PM (Jm6kM)
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think I read somewhere Manhattan only has around 3-5 days worth of food.
Think of what would happen if supplies stopped for what ever reason. The City would erupt in chaos.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude
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not just there, every major and small city.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron
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Don't want to imagine the chaos in NYC...there will be no chaos at Casa T-Rex, plenty of food and ammo!
Think of what would happen if supplies stopped for what ever reason. The City would erupt in chaos.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude
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not just there, every major and small city.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron
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Don't want to imagine the chaos in NYC...there will be no chaos at Casa T-Rex, plenty of food and ammo!
Posted by: The Grateful at July 20, 2025 08:18 PM (IQ6Gq)
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last week, or week before, there was a ring camera video from a block party getting shot up that had genuine live-action gangsta shooting on display.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at July 20, 2025 08:18 PM (dKEEs)
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Picked up my lever gun Friday. Took it to the range today with a(-) contingent of the DMV MGC. Hrothgar, Ed L., sra blaster, and myself.
Neat little package the G-Force LVR357 Tactical. I got the skeletonized stock, too. The fellas and I all shot high with it.
Sra blaster just kept shooting the bullseye.
I'm not letting her shoot my guns anymore.
Neat little package the G-Force LVR357 Tactical. I got the skeletonized stock, too. The fellas and I all shot high with it.
Sra blaster just kept shooting the bullseye.
I'm not letting her shoot my guns anymore.
Posted by: blaster at July 20, 2025 08:18 PM (RoO7G)
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I remember a professor or author arguing decades ago that the history of warfare is a seesaw battle between defense and offense.
The argument went that in WWI for example the deadlines of the weapons combined with a lack of counter meant defense ruled (until tanks.)
I'd argue that a lot of these retards are thinking drones trump everything. You certainly see it in the reports on the Ukraine thing. I still tend to think an artillery piece shelling a target is better, but I dunno. The drones as flying ieds kind of captures their... they can be good on the attack and as a psychological weapon, but they cannot take and hold ground.
The argument went that in WWI for example the deadlines of the weapons combined with a lack of counter meant defense ruled (until tanks.)
I'd argue that a lot of these retards are thinking drones trump everything. You certainly see it in the reports on the Ukraine thing. I still tend to think an artillery piece shelling a target is better, but I dunno. The drones as flying ieds kind of captures their... they can be good on the attack and as a psychological weapon, but they cannot take and hold ground.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 20, 2025 08:19 PM (zZu0s)
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I often say it's all measure-countermeasure. Yes it's a seesaw or pendulum. We are on drone swing right now.
Posted by: blaster at July 20, 2025 08:20 PM (RoO7G)
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Think of what would happen if supplies stopped for what ever reason. The City would erupt in chaos.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 20, 2025 07:41 PM
Such as if the EBT cards stopped working?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 20, 2025 07:41 PM
Such as if the EBT cards stopped working?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 20, 2025 08:20 PM (0sNs1)
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Can someone confirm if it is, in fact, Late Middle July?
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 20, 2025 08:20 PM (36PRH)
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I'd argue that a lot of these retards are thinking drones trump everything. You certainly see it in the reports on the Ukraine thing. I still tend to think an artillery piece shelling a target is better, but I dunno. The drones as flying ieds kind of captures their... they can be good on the attack and as a psychological weapon, but they cannot take and hold ground.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone
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Second look at Keith Laumer's BOLO?
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone
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Second look at Keith Laumer's BOLO?
Posted by: whig at July 20, 2025 08:20 PM (ctrM5)
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Sra blaster just kept shooting the bullseye.
I'm not letting her shoot my guns anymore.
Posted by: blaster
You know your fooling yourself, right?
I'm not letting her shoot my guns anymore.
Posted by: blaster
You know your fooling yourself, right?
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 20, 2025 08:20 PM (pGb63)
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Mixed things up a little there tonight. Newman & Co. Brick House Maduro. Very bueno!
Posted by: Weasel at July 20, 2025 08:16 PM (oLdT5)
Nice!
Posted by: Weasel at July 20, 2025 08:16 PM (oLdT5)
Nice!
Posted by: Diogenes at July 20, 2025 08:22 PM (W/lyH)
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Going to call it a night.
My plan for the range next week will be to concentrate on my handguns.
Will work on the fundamentals and hopefully make numerous small holes in the target.
Thanks for the thread Weasel. I would volunteer as an retirement assistant, but I am still gainfully employed. :-p
Have a good night everyone!!
My plan for the range next week will be to concentrate on my handguns.
Will work on the fundamentals and hopefully make numerous small holes in the target.
Thanks for the thread Weasel. I would volunteer as an retirement assistant, but I am still gainfully employed. :-p
Have a good night everyone!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 20, 2025 08:22 PM (Jm6kM)
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I think I read somewhere Manhattan only has around 3-5 days worth of food.
Think of what would happen if supplies stopped for what ever reason. The City would erupt in chaos.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 20, 2025 07:41 PM (Jm6kM)
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Considering the inevitability of warlords taking over the city in 3-5 days, seems accurate.
I think I read somewhere Manhattan only has around 3-5 days worth of food.
Think of what would happen if supplies stopped for what ever reason. The City would erupt in chaos.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 20, 2025 07:41 PM (Jm6kM)
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Considering the inevitability of warlords taking over the city in 3-5 days, seems accurate.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 20, 2025 08:23 PM (36PRH)
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Those longbows are works of art but rather unwieldy on the hunt no doubt. When you see 5' of bow above the bush line you better be high tailing it.
Posted by: OldGreyMare at July 20, 2025 08:23 PM (cH2VO)
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Drones don’t trump everything. It takes an effort like that required in the Niven/Pournelle novel Footfall. That’s what costs to win.
Posted by: Eromero at July 20, 2025 08:23 PM (LHPAg)
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Actual AFFF has been effectively banned and class action lawyers guild is trying to a 'judge' to find that it causes ass-cancer (having the same principle componants as Scotch Guard used on fabric seating for decades).
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 20, 2025 08:15 PM (/lPRQ)
The USN still uses AFFF at sea because AFFF replacements aren't fully effective using seawater. See Section 322 of the 2020 National Defense Authorization Act. You'll see an exemption there for oceangoing vessels in DOD (i.e. the USN) to continue to use AFFF.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 20, 2025 08:15 PM (/lPRQ)
The USN still uses AFFF at sea because AFFF replacements aren't fully effective using seawater. See Section 322 of the 2020 National Defense Authorization Act. You'll see an exemption there for oceangoing vessels in DOD (i.e. the USN) to continue to use AFFF.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 08:24 PM (BCwQW)
Posted by: blaster at July 20, 2025 08:27 PM (RoO7G)
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95 I'm not letting her shoot my guns anymore.
Posted by: blaster at July 20, 2025 08:18 PM
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So this is how you end up with two of everything?
Posted by: blaster at July 20, 2025 08:18 PM
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So this is how you end up with two of everything?
Posted by: TRex - double trouble at July 20, 2025 08:27 PM (IQ6Gq)
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It takes an effort like that required in the Niven/Pournelle novel Footfall. That’s what costs to win.
Posted by: Eromero
Orion propulsion?
Posted by: Eromero
Orion propulsion?
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 20, 2025 08:28 PM (pGb63)
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108 Nobody asked Ed L. what he got.
Come on. He's waiting for you to ask.
Posted by: blaster at July 20, 2025 08:27 PM
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He got ice cream, right? Tell me he got ice cream. With sprinkles.
Come on. He's waiting for you to ask.
Posted by: blaster at July 20, 2025 08:27 PM
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He got ice cream, right? Tell me he got ice cream. With sprinkles.
Posted by: TRex - yum! at July 20, 2025 08:28 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I have two refillable water fire extinguishers from the 70's that I have charged with a tablespoon of dawn. Like spraying thick dish foam.
On the gun side I picked up two new holsters and a Tippmann A5 paintball gun at a garage sale for $30 total. The paintball gun needs a tank and a few of those new plastic .68 cal loads or even maybe the aluminium ones.
The first holster is a Galco 212. I don't yet own a 1911 but having an empty holster is as good a reason to get one as any.
The next is I think a M7 WW2 chest holster. Like you see the pilots wearing. I haven't looked much into that one yet. Holds my PMR 30 nicely.
On the gun side I picked up two new holsters and a Tippmann A5 paintball gun at a garage sale for $30 total. The paintball gun needs a tank and a few of those new plastic .68 cal loads or even maybe the aluminium ones.
The first holster is a Galco 212. I don't yet own a 1911 but having an empty holster is as good a reason to get one as any.
The next is I think a M7 WW2 chest holster. Like you see the pilots wearing. I haven't looked much into that one yet. Holds my PMR 30 nicely.
Posted by: Reforger at July 20, 2025 08:28 PM (sNI6D)
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Well, time to wander. Thanks again, Weasel! Have a good one!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 20, 2025 08:29 PM (tT6L1)
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It would be nice if we could bring them back but certain skills and supplies are no longer available. I do not think there is any propellant available for the big 16" guns. How many shells are left?
Training a crew to man all the stations that are needed. The last Iowa BB was decommissioned in 1992. That is 33 years.
Also, the expense to bring them out of mothballs (though all of them are now museums) and then upgrade the systems are prohibitively expensive.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 20, 2025 08:17 PM (Jm6kM)
We can't make the gunpowder or the 16" shells anymore (since Vietnam, I think). More importantly, the human element (CPO's, senior officers) to operate and fight these ships isn't coming back unless we plan on pulling 60 - 80 year olds out of retirement.
Training a crew to man all the stations that are needed. The last Iowa BB was decommissioned in 1992. That is 33 years.
Also, the expense to bring them out of mothballs (though all of them are now museums) and then upgrade the systems are prohibitively expensive.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 20, 2025 08:17 PM (Jm6kM)
We can't make the gunpowder or the 16" shells anymore (since Vietnam, I think). More importantly, the human element (CPO's, senior officers) to operate and fight these ships isn't coming back unless we plan on pulling 60 - 80 year olds out of retirement.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 08:29 PM (BCwQW)
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> Liga Undercrown is Drew Estate's more affordable (and available) line alongside the pricey and elusive Liga Privada...
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I had a Drew Estate Undercrown 10 Toro as part of a sample (try before you buy) deal. Whoa... The profile is robust. Notes of coco, dark chocolate and honey over a leather base. Sort of knocked me for a loop.
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I had a Drew Estate Undercrown 10 Toro as part of a sample (try before you buy) deal. Whoa... The profile is robust. Notes of coco, dark chocolate and honey over a leather base. Sort of knocked me for a loop.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 20, 2025 08:29 PM (Q4IgG)
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111 108 Nobody asked Ed L. what he got.
Come on. He's waiting for you to ask.
Posted by: blaster at July 20, 2025 08:27 PM
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He got ice cream, right? Tell me he got ice cream. With sprinkles.
Posted by: TRex - yum! a
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EdL might have eaten an ice cream sandwich into the shape of a gun. That is illegal I think in elementary school and DC.
Come on. He's waiting for you to ask.
Posted by: blaster at July 20, 2025 08:27 PM
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He got ice cream, right? Tell me he got ice cream. With sprinkles.
Posted by: TRex - yum! a
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EdL might have eaten an ice cream sandwich into the shape of a gun. That is illegal I think in elementary school and DC.
Posted by: whig at July 20, 2025 08:30 PM (ctrM5)
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I'd argue that a lot of these retards are thinking drones trump everything. You certainly see it in the reports on the Ukraine thing. I still tend to think an artillery piece shelling a target is better, but I dunno. The drones as flying ieds kind of captures their... they can be good on the attack and as a psychological weapon, but they cannot take and hold ground.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 20, 2025 08:19 PM (zZu0s)
The tendency to think of the next big thing as the be all and end all is rather dangerous. Will drone usage affect future warfare? Sure. But like anything else it’s really a new tool in the toolkit, and yes, nothing beats a soldier on the ground with a gun, ultimately.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 20, 2025 08:19 PM (zZu0s)
The tendency to think of the next big thing as the be all and end all is rather dangerous. Will drone usage affect future warfare? Sure. But like anything else it’s really a new tool in the toolkit, and yes, nothing beats a soldier on the ground with a gun, ultimately.
Posted by: Cow Demon at July 20, 2025 08:30 PM (vm8sq)
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He got ice cream, right? Tell me he got ice cream. With sprinkles.
Posted by: TRex - yum! at July 20, 2025 08:28 PM (IQ6Gq)
It's better.
Posted by: TRex - yum! at July 20, 2025 08:28 PM (IQ6Gq)
It's better.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 08:31 PM (BCwQW)
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On the gun side I picked up two new holsters and a Tippmann A5 paintball gun at a garage sale for $30 total. The paintball gun needs a tank and a few of those new plastic .68 cal loads or even maybe the aluminium ones.
The first holster is a Galco 212. I don't yet own a 1911 but having an empty holster is as good a reason to get one as any.
The next is I think a M7 WW2 chest holster. Like you see the pilots wearing. I haven't looked much into that one yet. Holds my PMR 30 nicely.
Posted by: Reforger a
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Sarco in PA has a bunch of WWII and older era military holsters, some replica, some the genuine article. I know they have replica M7 tanker holsters.
Sometimes Numrich, aka gunparts dot com also does but I don't think they sell replica holsters like Sarco does.
The first holster is a Galco 212. I don't yet own a 1911 but having an empty holster is as good a reason to get one as any.
The next is I think a M7 WW2 chest holster. Like you see the pilots wearing. I haven't looked much into that one yet. Holds my PMR 30 nicely.
Posted by: Reforger a
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Sarco in PA has a bunch of WWII and older era military holsters, some replica, some the genuine article. I know they have replica M7 tanker holsters.
Sometimes Numrich, aka gunparts dot com also does but I don't think they sell replica holsters like Sarco does.
Posted by: whig at July 20, 2025 08:32 PM (ctrM5)
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It's better.
Posted by: Ed L
Okay, I'll bite--what is the latest acquisition to the EdL Memorial Museum of Fine Arms?
Posted by: Ed L
Okay, I'll bite--what is the latest acquisition to the EdL Memorial Museum of Fine Arms?
Posted by: whig at July 20, 2025 08:34 PM (ctrM5)
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So this is how you end up with two of everything?
Posted by: TRex - double trouble at July 20, 2025 08:27 PM (IQ6Gq)
Yes. This is how.
Posted by: TRex - double trouble at July 20, 2025 08:27 PM (IQ6Gq)
Yes. This is how.
Posted by: blaster at July 20, 2025 08:38 PM (RoO7G)
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heh, I was buying some boolitts on Midway and the fine print said, "free shipping if the order is over $100." Just under with two boxes, so, oh darn, added another.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 20, 2025 07:46 PM (tT6L1)
Almost like they planned it that way....
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 20, 2025 07:46 PM (tT6L1)
Almost like they planned it that way....
Posted by: blaster at July 20, 2025 08:40 PM (RoO7G)
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The monks were able to keep written records during the Dark Ages. It would be much harder today.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 07:34 PM (fRFTM)
This is why Elon wants to back up the Internet.
To the Moon.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 07:34 PM (fRFTM)
This is why Elon wants to back up the Internet.
To the Moon.
Posted by: blaster at July 20, 2025 08:42 PM (RoO7G)
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Okay, I'll bite--what is the latest acquisition to the EdL Memorial Museum of Fine Arms?
Posted by: whig at July 20, 2025 08:34 PM (ctrM5)
An M203. It's been in the pipeline for ten months. Also picked up a late 90s Colt Anaconda in .45 LC.
Posted by: whig at July 20, 2025 08:34 PM (ctrM5)
An M203. It's been in the pipeline for ten months. Also picked up a late 90s Colt Anaconda in .45 LC.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 08:42 PM (BCwQW)
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But like anything else it’s really a new tool in the toolkit, and yes, nothing beats a soldier on the ground with a gun, ultimately.
Posted by: Cow Demon at July 20, 2025 08:30 PM (vm8sq)
Mobile Infantry with powered armor for the win.
Posted by: Cow Demon at July 20, 2025 08:30 PM (vm8sq)
Mobile Infantry with powered armor for the win.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at July 20, 2025 08:42 PM (eIjvK)
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Cool video on the Mare's Leg, Weasel. Thanks!
Posted by: scampydog at July 20, 2025 08:43 PM (4x/F3)
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The Kingsbury Thrust Bearing
That sounds... kinky.
That sounds... kinky.
Posted by: GWB at July 20, 2025 08:44 PM (Te2JU)
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An M203. It's been in the pipeline for ten months. Also picked up a late 90s Colt Anaconda in .45 LC.
Posted by: Ed L
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Wow. Red Letter Week for you. Serious hardware and the Colt is a nice addition as well. I've handled the Anaconda in 44 magnum decades ago and they have a nice action.
Posted by: Ed L
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Wow. Red Letter Week for you. Serious hardware and the Colt is a nice addition as well. I've handled the Anaconda in 44 magnum decades ago and they have a nice action.
Posted by: whig at July 20, 2025 08:44 PM (ctrM5)
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BANG!!!! Are we there yet?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 20, 2025 07:02 PM (Jm6kM)
Scoob, from the back seat!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 20, 2025 07:02 PM (Jm6kM)
Scoob, from the back seat!
Posted by: GWB at July 20, 2025 08:45 PM (Te2JU)
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Mobile Infantry with powered armor for the win.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy
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Earthbound exoskeletons seem to be a thing soon anyway.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy
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Earthbound exoskeletons seem to be a thing soon anyway.
Posted by: whig at July 20, 2025 08:47 PM (ctrM5)
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Second look at Keith Laumer's BOLO?
Posted by: whig at July 20, 2025 08:20 PM (ctrM5)
Yes.
They exist.
That is all I've got to say about that.
Posted by: whig at July 20, 2025 08:20 PM (ctrM5)
Yes.
They exist.
That is all I've got to say about that.
Posted by: blaster at July 20, 2025 08:47 PM (RoO7G)
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>> I'd argue that a lot of these retards are thinking drones trump everything
I encourage you to go watch some of the Uke drone footage, if you haven’t. Drones are only one battlefield element. But they have a serious impact on kinetic operations. Watch as the drone chases a BMP and wipes it out. Or better yet, infantry that’s dug in running from the drone as they try to take it out with aimed shots. It certainly doesn’t replace artillery or something like a javelin or CG. But it’s a very cheap weapon to produce and things like drone swarms overwhelm most modern day air defense systems. In Nagorno Karabakh they were taking out entire lines of tanks with drones. It will (and is) going through the usual counter defense cycle. But it’s here to stay.
I encourage you to go watch some of the Uke drone footage, if you haven’t. Drones are only one battlefield element. But they have a serious impact on kinetic operations. Watch as the drone chases a BMP and wipes it out. Or better yet, infantry that’s dug in running from the drone as they try to take it out with aimed shots. It certainly doesn’t replace artillery or something like a javelin or CG. But it’s a very cheap weapon to produce and things like drone swarms overwhelm most modern day air defense systems. In Nagorno Karabakh they were taking out entire lines of tanks with drones. It will (and is) going through the usual counter defense cycle. But it’s here to stay.
Posted by: Marcus T at July 20, 2025 08:48 PM (3CMF/)
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Thanks! How are things going?
Someone mentioned that the next time I go to Ohio I should go visit the CMP store.
Maybe I will and hopefully walk out with something. ;-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 20, 2025 07:16 PM (Jm6kM)
Got home from a short vacation last week and have been trying to catch up since then. Hope all is well with you.
I need to visit the CMP store as well. Maybe a field trip when you come this way?
Someone mentioned that the next time I go to Ohio I should go visit the CMP store.
Maybe I will and hopefully walk out with something. ;-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 20, 2025 07:16 PM (Jm6kM)
Got home from a short vacation last week and have been trying to catch up since then. Hope all is well with you.
I need to visit the CMP store as well. Maybe a field trip when you come this way?
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at July 20, 2025 08:50 PM (v23vE)
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This is why Elon wants to back up the Internet.
To the Moon.
Posted by: blaster at July 20, 2025 08:42 PM (RoO7G)
Lord love Elon. We, the human race, need big thinkers.
I volunteer to man the Lunar Library.
Think how far my 6.5s will go in lunar gravity.
To the Moon.
Posted by: blaster at July 20, 2025 08:42 PM (RoO7G)
Lord love Elon. We, the human race, need big thinkers.
I volunteer to man the Lunar Library.
Think how far my 6.5s will go in lunar gravity.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 08:50 PM (tez/p)
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I've been on the road for the past week. I need to check with my not-so-local gun shop, which is holding two silencers for me, if their electronic kiosk is now running. When I bought the silencers two weeks ago, they had just found out that their only employee who was trained to operate the kiosk had quit.
Yes, I will be paying the transfer taxes, but I'm betting there will be a big silencer shortage and approval backlog when the cost of a tax stamp drops to zero at the first of the year.
Yes, I will be paying the transfer taxes, but I'm betting there will be a big silencer shortage and approval backlog when the cost of a tax stamp drops to zero at the first of the year.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at July 20, 2025 08:51 PM (eIjvK)
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Wow. Red Letter Week for you. Serious hardware and the Colt is a nice addition as well. I've handled the Anaconda in 44 magnum decades ago and they have a nice action.
Posted by: whig at July 20, 2025 08:44 PM (ctrM5)
Also learned at the show that Colt has re-introduced the Anaconda in .45 LC as of this month. Supposedly, you'll see the 4" models first, followed by 6" and 8" versions. The trigger action on the new Anaconda is the same (but scaled up) as that for the new Pythons.
Posted by: whig at July 20, 2025 08:44 PM (ctrM5)
Also learned at the show that Colt has re-introduced the Anaconda in .45 LC as of this month. Supposedly, you'll see the 4" models first, followed by 6" and 8" versions. The trigger action on the new Anaconda is the same (but scaled up) as that for the new Pythons.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 08:51 PM (BCwQW)
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I walk over to Ed's car to see his latest WMD acquisition and I see sra blaster looking in a rifle case. Oh, it's one of those jeweler's models AR15s or whatever.
I looked in the bag and
"Say hello to my little friend!"
Way cooler than an ice cream. Even with sprinkles.
I looked in the bag and
"Say hello to my little friend!"
Way cooler than an ice cream. Even with sprinkles.
Posted by: blaster at July 20, 2025 08:51 PM (RoO7G)
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Yes, I will be paying the transfer taxes, but I'm betting there will be a big silencer shortage and approval backlog when the cost of a tax stamp drops to zero at the first of the year.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at July 20, 2025 08:51 PM (eIjvK)
I heard that same assessment from multiple FFL's/dealers at the Chantilly show all weekend.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at July 20, 2025 08:51 PM (eIjvK)
I heard that same assessment from multiple FFL's/dealers at the Chantilly show all weekend.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 08:53 PM (BCwQW)
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I was referring to skills/experience for *current* shipbuilding tasks, actually. Sadly yes those for the things EdL mentioned are long gone, but then too are most of the demands for them.
Iowa class - was lucky to spend most of a day on the lead ship of the class in Norfolk when she was active, congressional staff thing. Had lunch with the CO, and at some point I asked something along the lines of "how many of the current Soviet anti-ship missiles is it estimated this class could take?". As I recall he said a consultant had done their own analysis and tossed it in as an annex to one of their deliverables. Around 100. Now of course that would clean everything outside the armored areas off, and probably render the ship far less capable, but still.
I think the Iowa was the only one of her class to get hit by enemy artillery. One of the turrets. They didn't notice until morning - splintered teak deck, and a very slight scar (basically a paint layer or two) off the turret. Built tough.
Have been wondering what they did with the ammo. Used to be a pile of it, stored as I recall at Dahlgren.
Iowa class - was lucky to spend most of a day on the lead ship of the class in Norfolk when she was active, congressional staff thing. Had lunch with the CO, and at some point I asked something along the lines of "how many of the current Soviet anti-ship missiles is it estimated this class could take?". As I recall he said a consultant had done their own analysis and tossed it in as an annex to one of their deliverables. Around 100. Now of course that would clean everything outside the armored areas off, and probably render the ship far less capable, but still.
I think the Iowa was the only one of her class to get hit by enemy artillery. One of the turrets. They didn't notice until morning - splintered teak deck, and a very slight scar (basically a paint layer or two) off the turret. Built tough.
Have been wondering what they did with the ammo. Used to be a pile of it, stored as I recall at Dahlgren.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 20, 2025 08:53 PM (1m82a)
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I discovered a batch of bad ammo in .22LR from the COVID days. Firing pin goes click, click. No boom. Slug spins free-hand in the cartridge. Damn it!
I'll sell it wholesale if anyone is interested.
I'll sell it wholesale if anyone is interested.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at July 20, 2025 08:54 PM (/gTjv)
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Also learned at the show that Colt has re-introduced the Anaconda in .45 LC as of this month. Supposedly, you'll see the 4" models first, followed by 6" and 8" versions. The trigger action on the new Anaconda is the same (but scaled up) as that for the new Pythons.
Posted by: Ed L
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CZ is serious about taking a chunk of S&W's revolver business. Probably less so of Rugers due to hunting models of Blackhawks, Redhawks, etc.
Posted by: Ed L
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CZ is serious about taking a chunk of S&W's revolver business. Probably less so of Rugers due to hunting models of Blackhawks, Redhawks, etc.
Posted by: whig at July 20, 2025 08:55 PM (ctrM5)
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heard that same assessment from multiple FFL's/dealers at the Chantilly show all weekend.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 08:53 PM (BCwQW)
Well, it is a nice problem to have!
Thank you, DJT and team.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 08:53 PM (BCwQW)
Well, it is a nice problem to have!
Thank you, DJT and team.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 08:55 PM (tez/p)
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An M203. It's been in the pipeline for ten months.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 08:42 PM
Toob!
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 08:42 PM
Toob!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 20, 2025 08:56 PM (Wnv9h)
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Martini Farmer actually for me I was struck by how mild the Undercrown Maduro was, in terms of nicotine effect. Love that about it, as I minimize that as much as possible.
Weasel, a prestigious online lifestyle webzine reviewed the Brick House maduro a while back. And I've loved the few I had, it's on the list to visit again.
Diogenes I have two Romeo y Julieta Cubans I sort of accidentally picked up in Saint Barts last November (intended to burn them on the boat, but forgot, and also unintentionally "smuggled" them in on return - no customs at all at Ft Lauderdale as far as I could tell).
Weasel, a prestigious online lifestyle webzine reviewed the Brick House maduro a while back. And I've loved the few I had, it's on the list to visit again.
Diogenes I have two Romeo y Julieta Cubans I sort of accidentally picked up in Saint Barts last November (intended to burn them on the boat, but forgot, and also unintentionally "smuggled" them in on return - no customs at all at Ft Lauderdale as far as I could tell).
Posted by: rhomboid at July 20, 2025 08:56 PM (1m82a)
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Do I have a preference? Yes.
I want one of each.
I want one of each.
Posted by: GWB at July 20, 2025 08:57 PM (Te2JU)
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Think how far my 6.5s will go in lunar gravity.
Posted by: RI Red
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The escape velocity on the Moon is approximately 2.38 kilometers per second (km/s)
[so sayeth the intertubes]
2380 m/s or 8136 ft/s
Not quite there yet.
Think how far my 6.5s will go in lunar gravity.
Posted by: RI Red
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The escape velocity on the Moon is approximately 2.38 kilometers per second (km/s)
[so sayeth the intertubes]
2380 m/s or 8136 ft/s
Not quite there yet.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 20, 2025 08:57 PM (/lPRQ)
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think the Iowa was the only one of her class to get hit by enemy artillery. One of the turrets. They didn't notice until morning - splintered teak deck, and a very slight scar (basically a paint layer or two) off the turret. Built tough.
Have been wondering what they did with the ammo. Used to be a pile of it, stored as I recall at Dahlgren.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 20, 2025 08:53 PM (1m82a)
USS Massachusetts has a ding on it from a Vichy French shell.
Have been wondering what they did with the ammo. Used to be a pile of it, stored as I recall at Dahlgren.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 20, 2025 08:53 PM (1m82a)
USS Massachusetts has a ding on it from a Vichy French shell.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 08:57 PM (tez/p)
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Was talking today with MGC about the lever gun I got. It's Turkish. But a Winchester 94 pattern gun. As in 1894.
Designed by none other than one John Moses Browning.
Designed by none other than one John Moses Browning.
Posted by: blaster at July 20, 2025 08:59 PM (RoO7G)
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RI Red, good point about the Massachusetts. And as I recall, they're very lucky they didn't get one or two French torpedoes - just combed them.
Largest surface action of the Battle of the Atlantic, and virtually unknown - the Battle of Casablanca.
Largest surface action of the Battle of the Atlantic, and virtually unknown - the Battle of Casablanca.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 20, 2025 08:59 PM (1m82a)
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Can they put the sights on the side of your Nine?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 20, 2025 08:59 PM (EQg1P)
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Colt should re-introduce the Navy .36, love my Pietta but it isn’t quite. They did an amazing job for the price, think I gave $220 delivered. My understanding is they have increased in price. A genuine Colt would be a lot more, but I think they would sell.
Posted by: Common Tater at July 20, 2025 09:00 PM (7NvEU)
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Posted by: rhomboid at July 20, 2025 08:56 PM (1m82a)
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Check out Cigar One in Geneva for Cubans. Never had a problemo.
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Check out Cigar One in Geneva for Cubans. Never had a problemo.
Posted by: Weasel at July 20, 2025 09:00 PM (64qRd)
153
Isn't M203 a grenade launcher?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 20, 2025 09:00 PM (EQg1P)
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Have been wondering what they did with the ammo. Used to be a pile of it, stored as I recall at Dahlgren.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 20, 2025 08:53 PM (1m82a)
The powder bags got burned up at Indian Head. A lot of the shells went through DEMIL and are used for outdoor displays or museum exhibits. But I suspect the shells, after DEMIL, mostly went out for scrap.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 20, 2025 08:53 PM (1m82a)
The powder bags got burned up at Indian Head. A lot of the shells went through DEMIL and are used for outdoor displays or museum exhibits. But I suspect the shells, after DEMIL, mostly went out for scrap.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 09:00 PM (BCwQW)
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The spawn has another year of nationals competition under her belt. She did her personal best in 4 of the 5 guns she shot. The one bad time was a miserable rainy day. Everyone shot badly that day. Shooting in the rain is not fun.
Posted by: lin-duh at July 20, 2025 09:01 PM (tiP+1)
156
Isn't M203 a grenade launcher?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 20, 2025 09:00 PM (EQg1P)
Yes, it is.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 20, 2025 09:00 PM (EQg1P)
Yes, it is.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 09:02 PM (BCwQW)
157
Rhomboid, my scout son and I spent a couple of nights on the BB Mass. Amazing how low tech, yet formidable, it was/is.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 09:02 PM (tez/p)
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No shooting this weekend - visited relatives in New Hampshire and expected an 8 hour ride back and experienced a 12 hour ride back.
Thanks as always Weasel for the Gun Thread and a bigly have a great week, GunHorde.
Although I’m sad that all my years of practice ghetto-style are wasted…
Thanks as always Weasel for the Gun Thread and a bigly have a great week, GunHorde.
Although I’m sad that all my years of practice ghetto-style are wasted…
Posted by: Coelacanth at July 20, 2025 09:03 PM (YwyUt)
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EdL thanks. As I've mentioned before, last spare barrel known to exist is at the Hawthorne Ordnance Museum in western NV. They cut it up, put a short section inside with the 16-inch display. Rifling is so sharp feels like you can cut your finger on it. The last spares were shipped out of Hawthorne years back and the museum folks said there was no record of what happened to them.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 20, 2025 09:03 PM (1m82a)
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Repurpose some 25mm rotary cannons with new barrels to shoot modified necked open cartidges filled with 10mm aluminum balls like shotgun rounds. Spray cutains of crap to fuck up the rotors at the drones.
Posted by: Reforger at July 20, 2025 09:05 PM (sNI6D)
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Howdy weasel!
Range report
I became the proud owner of a custom tricked out Dan Wesson Pointman 7.
It has less than 100 rounds through it. Needs some breaking in, but it is SWEEEEEET.
NEENER NEENER NEENER!
Plus, I spent all day at the NHRA PNW Nationals with #1.
Brittany Force broke a record. 341.8 mph in 3.6 seconds.
Dude. She’s awesome.
Range report
I became the proud owner of a custom tricked out Dan Wesson Pointman 7.
It has less than 100 rounds through it. Needs some breaking in, but it is SWEEEEEET.
NEENER NEENER NEENER!
Plus, I spent all day at the NHRA PNW Nationals with #1.
Brittany Force broke a record. 341.8 mph in 3.6 seconds.
Dude. She’s awesome.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 20, 2025 09:06 PM (64wfp)
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Rhomboid, my scout son and I spent a couple of nights on the BB Mass. Amazing how low tech, yet formidable, it was/is.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 09:02 PM
Somewhere there is a photo of a very, very small RMBS inside the muzzle of one of its 16" guns, back when they weren't elevated like they are today. The RMBS Dad thought this was hilarious. Judging by my expression, so did I.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 09:02 PM
Somewhere there is a photo of a very, very small RMBS inside the muzzle of one of its 16" guns, back when they weren't elevated like they are today. The RMBS Dad thought this was hilarious. Judging by my expression, so did I.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 20, 2025 09:06 PM (Wnv9h)
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Colt should re-introduce the Navy .36, love my Pietta but it isn’t quite. They did an amazing job for the price, think I gave $220 delivered. My understanding is they have increased in price. A genuine Colt would be a lot more, but I think they would sell.
Posted by: Common Tater at July 20, 2025 09:00 PM (7NvEU)
They did, in the 1970s and 80s. After that, Colt licensed black powder reproductions to Uberti. When the license ran out, Uberti continued making them under the Uberti name instead of Colt's.
Posted by: Common Tater at July 20, 2025 09:00 PM (7NvEU)
They did, in the 1970s and 80s. After that, Colt licensed black powder reproductions to Uberti. When the license ran out, Uberti continued making them under the Uberti name instead of Colt's.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 09:06 PM (BCwQW)
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Yes, I will be paying the transfer taxes, but I'm betting there will be a big silencer shortage and approval backlog when the cost of a tax stamp drops to zero at the first of the year.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy
With a transfer tax of $0 (zero) would one still be required to carry the paper to prove that you paid the transfer tax?
You'd think not, but I wouldn't want to be the test case.
But once the courts figure out that the paper is pointless (as well as regulating ownership) then that is when there will be an explosive in can ownership.
I like the currently illegal bushings that have the fine barrrel threads on end and more common course threads on the other end. So you can screw on potatos or a watermelon.. not that I have my own land to do goofy like that on...
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy
With a transfer tax of $0 (zero) would one still be required to carry the paper to prove that you paid the transfer tax?
You'd think not, but I wouldn't want to be the test case.
But once the courts figure out that the paper is pointless (as well as regulating ownership) then that is when there will be an explosive in can ownership.
I like the currently illegal bushings that have the fine barrrel threads on end and more common course threads on the other end. So you can screw on potatos or a watermelon.. not that I have my own land to do goofy like that on...
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 20, 2025 09:06 PM (/lPRQ)
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Did we ever hear back from Fast Eddie about the (IIRC) Ruger 1911 that was smashing bullets into cases several weeks ago?
Posted by: Oddbob at July 20, 2025 09:07 PM (/y8xj)
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Somewhere there is a photo of a very, very small RMBS inside the muzzle of one of its 16" guns, back when they weren't elevated like they are today. The RMBS Dad thought this was hilarious. Judging by my expression, so did I.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 20, 2025 09:06 PM (Wnv9h)
RMBS, I’d love to see that.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 20, 2025 09:06 PM (Wnv9h)
RMBS, I’d love to see that.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 09:08 PM (tez/p)
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hey cut it up, put a short section inside with the 16-inch display. Rifling is so sharp feels like you can cut your finger on it. The last spares were shipped out of Hawthorne years back and the museum folks said there was no record of what happened to them.
Posted by: rhomboid
There could be 16 inch guns loose on the streets!
hey cut it up, put a short section inside with the 16-inch display. Rifling is so sharp feels like you can cut your finger on it. The last spares were shipped out of Hawthorne years back and the museum folks said there was no record of what happened to them.
Posted by: rhomboid
There could be 16 inch guns loose on the streets!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 20, 2025 09:09 PM (63Dwl)
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I find myself reflecting a lot more lately on just how fragile modern civilization really is.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 20, 2025 07:37 PM (Wnv9h)
Lots of preppers think they can keep things going by stockpiling what I would call mid-level resources. Because they're still thinking (maybe not consciously) in terms of "Tires come from the tire manufacturer" instead of "Tires come from these various resources that all have to be collected, shipped, manufactured, etc." It's "I, Pencil" writ large. (Another one is chlorine. Everyone stocks up on chlorine to purify their water. What happens when you run out? Do you have any idea how to get/make more?)
A great book to help with grasping this and getting a leg up on "re-building civilization" is How to Rebuild Civilization in the Aftermath of a Cataclysm by Lewis Dartnell. I think he misses a few things, but to even get you started thinking the right way is pretty important.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 20, 2025 07:37 PM (Wnv9h)
Lots of preppers think they can keep things going by stockpiling what I would call mid-level resources. Because they're still thinking (maybe not consciously) in terms of "Tires come from the tire manufacturer" instead of "Tires come from these various resources that all have to be collected, shipped, manufactured, etc." It's "I, Pencil" writ large. (Another one is chlorine. Everyone stocks up on chlorine to purify their water. What happens when you run out? Do you have any idea how to get/make more?)
A great book to help with grasping this and getting a leg up on "re-building civilization" is How to Rebuild Civilization in the Aftermath of a Cataclysm by Lewis Dartnell. I think he misses a few things, but to even get you started thinking the right way is pretty important.
Posted by: GWB at July 20, 2025 09:09 PM (Te2JU)
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RI Red those things are temples, monuments to the height of industrial art in military equipment. And just incredibly cool.
Not to mention the electro-mechanical fire control computer that they decided to keep using when they brought them out of mothballs in the ..... 1980s.
There are other WWII ships that get less attention but were amazing machines - like the "machine gun cruisers".
Not to mention the electro-mechanical fire control computer that they decided to keep using when they brought them out of mothballs in the ..... 1980s.
There are other WWII ships that get less attention but were amazing machines - like the "machine gun cruisers".
Posted by: rhomboid at July 20, 2025 09:09 PM (1m82a)
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Also learned at the show that Colt has re-introduced the Anaconda in .45 LC as of this month. Supposedly, you'll see the 4" models first, followed by 6" and 8" versions. The trigger action on the new Anaconda is the same (but scaled up) as that for the new Pythons.
Posted by: Ed L
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Be nice if they can chamber the .454 too, or handle the pressure for equivalent hand loads.
Also learned at the show that Colt has re-introduced the Anaconda in .45 LC as of this month. Supposedly, you'll see the 4" models first, followed by 6" and 8" versions. The trigger action on the new Anaconda is the same (but scaled up) as that for the new Pythons.
Posted by: Ed L
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Be nice if they can chamber the .454 too, or handle the pressure for equivalent hand loads.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 20, 2025 09:09 PM (/lPRQ)
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Brittany Force broke a record. 341.8 mph in 3.6 seconds
Is that John's daughter or granddaughter? It's been a while since I followed the sport.
Is that John's daughter or granddaughter? It's been a while since I followed the sport.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 20, 2025 09:09 PM (/y8xj)
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155 The spawn has another year of nationals competition under her belt. She did her personal best in 4 of the 5 guns she shot. The one bad time was a miserable rainy day. Everyone shot badly that day. Shooting in the rain is not fun.
Posted by: lin-duh at July 20, 2025 09:01 PM (tiP
I feel privileged to have watched spawn progress.
Posted by: lin-duh at July 20, 2025 09:01 PM (tiP
I feel privileged to have watched spawn progress.
Posted by: Eromero at July 20, 2025 09:10 PM (LHPAg)
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Nurse,
I was wondering when you were going to show up and brag.
I was wondering when you were going to show up and brag.
Posted by: Diogenes at July 20, 2025 09:10 PM (W/lyH)
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RMBS, I’d love to see that.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 09:08 PM
I'll have to dig it up. You coming to TX?
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 09:08 PM
I'll have to dig it up. You coming to TX?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 20, 2025 09:10 PM (Wnv9h)
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Isn't M203 a grenade launcher?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 20, 2025 09:00 PM (EQg1P)
Yes, it is.
Posted by: Ed L
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Is that so? OK, this is the time to assure me that it is not making the trip to TX, or if it is, it is just to show and not shoot....Go ahead, I'm waiting.....
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 20, 2025 09:00 PM (EQg1P)
Yes, it is.
Posted by: Ed L
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Is that so? OK, this is the time to assure me that it is not making the trip to TX, or if it is, it is just to show and not shoot....Go ahead, I'm waiting.....
Posted by: The Grateful at July 20, 2025 09:11 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Long pig would probably become a staple in some larders.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 20, 2025 07:42 PM (tT6L1)
At least you don't have to worry about getting rid of the patchouli smell, like you would in LA or San Fran.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 20, 2025 07:42 PM (tT6L1)
At least you don't have to worry about getting rid of the patchouli smell, like you would in LA or San Fran.
Posted by: GWB at July 20, 2025 09:11 PM (Te2JU)
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Nurse, we want to hear the story behind the acquisition!
Hopefully it did not involve tickets to a Cold Play concert.
Hopefully it did not involve tickets to a Cold Play concert.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 09:12 PM (tez/p)
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With a transfer tax of $0 (zero) would one still be required to carry the paper to prove that you paid the transfer tax?
You'd think not, but I wouldn't want to be the test case.
But once the courts figure out that the paper is pointless (as well as regulating ownership) then that is when there will be an explosive in can ownership.
I like the currently illegal bushings that have the fine barrrel threads on end and more common course threads on the other end. So you can screw on potatos or a watermelon.. not that I have my own land to do goofy like that on...
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 20, 2025 09:06 PM (/lPRQ)
Remember, you'll still need the "mother may I" permission slip from the ATF to transport your SBRs and suppressors across state lines (temporarily or permanently). That hasn't gone away.
You'd think not, but I wouldn't want to be the test case.
But once the courts figure out that the paper is pointless (as well as regulating ownership) then that is when there will be an explosive in can ownership.
I like the currently illegal bushings that have the fine barrrel threads on end and more common course threads on the other end. So you can screw on potatos or a watermelon.. not that I have my own land to do goofy like that on...
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 20, 2025 09:06 PM (/lPRQ)
Remember, you'll still need the "mother may I" permission slip from the ATF to transport your SBRs and suppressors across state lines (temporarily or permanently). That hasn't gone away.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 09:12 PM (BCwQW)
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The spawn has another year of nationals competition under her belt. She did her personal best in 4 of the 5 guns she shot. The one bad time was a miserable rainy day. Everyone shot badly that day. Shooting in the rain is not fun.
Posted by: lin-duh
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That is absolutely awesome...and people wonder how to build self esteem...
Posted by: lin-duh
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That is absolutely awesome...and people wonder how to build self esteem...
Posted by: The Grateful at July 20, 2025 09:13 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I'll have to dig it up. You coming to TX?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
I'm in line to see that pick... please!
I'll have to dig it up. You coming to TX?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
I'm in line to see that pick... please!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 20, 2025 09:14 PM (pGb63)
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159 EdL thanks. As I've mentioned before, last spare barrel known to exist is at the Hawthorne Ordnance Museum in western NV. They cut it up, put a short section inside with the 16-inch display. Rifling is so sharp feels like you can cut your finger on it. The last spares were shipped out of Hawthorne years back and the museum folks said there was no record of what happened to them.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 20, 2025 09:03 PM (1m82a)
As I have said here before. Two places should be on everyone's bucket list. Hawthorne and the surrounding area and Virginia City NV. Hawthorne has the cheapest 40mm ammo boxes on the planet. The museum is awesome too. Then, if they'll let you in, the FallonNaval Airstation Museum is cool too. Stop by Middlegate Station for the Monster or any of the other awesome burgers they make there.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 20, 2025 09:03 PM (1m82a)
As I have said here before. Two places should be on everyone's bucket list. Hawthorne and the surrounding area and Virginia City NV. Hawthorne has the cheapest 40mm ammo boxes on the planet. The museum is awesome too. Then, if they'll let you in, the FallonNaval Airstation Museum is cool too. Stop by Middlegate Station for the Monster or any of the other awesome burgers they make there.
Posted by: Reforger at July 20, 2025 09:14 PM (sNI6D)
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Is that so? OK, this is the time to assure me that it is not making the trip to TX, or if it is, it is just to show and not shoot....Go ahead, I'm waiting.....
Posted by: The Grateful at July 20, 2025 09:11 PM (IQ6Gq)
It's not coming because there's no ammo. $7 per practice round isn't cheap. I'd like to know it's OK w/ the property owners first before filing the paperwork to drag it down.
Posted by: The Grateful at July 20, 2025 09:11 PM (IQ6Gq)
It's not coming because there's no ammo. $7 per practice round isn't cheap. I'd like to know it's OK w/ the property owners first before filing the paperwork to drag it down.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 09:14 PM (BCwQW)
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I'll have to dig it up. You coming to TX?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
I'm in line to see that pick... please!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron
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Me three...please!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
I'm in line to see that pick... please!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron
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Me three...please!
Posted by: The Grateful at July 20, 2025 09:15 PM (IQ6Gq)
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RMBS, I’m hoping to get to TX. But if I promise and am a no-show, Ben Had reserves another date for me and her kitchen table.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 09:15 PM (tez/p)
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155 The spawn has another year of nationals competition under her belt. She did her personal best in 4 of the 5 guns she shot. The one bad time was a miserable rainy day. Everyone shot badly that day. Shooting in the rain is not fun.
Posted by: lin-duh at July 20, 2025 09:01 PM (tiP+1)
Great to hear! Sorry about the rain -- but our usual drought has not yet started, and that's kinda cool that things are still green.
Posted by: lin-duh at July 20, 2025 09:01 PM (tiP+1)
Great to hear! Sorry about the rain -- but our usual drought has not yet started, and that's kinda cool that things are still green.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at July 20, 2025 09:16 PM (v23vE)
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Is that so? OK, this is the time to assure me that it is not making the trip to TX, or if it is, it is just to show and not shoot....Go ahead, I'm waiting.....
Posted by: The Grateful at July 20, 2025 09:11 PM (IQ6Gq)
It's not coming because there's no ammo. $7 per practice round isn't cheap. I'd like to know it's OK w/ the property owners first before filing the paperwork to drag it down.
Posted by: Ed L
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Glad to hear it...and when you go to talk to the property owners, don't forget to also check with the RN on duty....
Posted by: The Grateful at July 20, 2025 09:11 PM (IQ6Gq)
It's not coming because there's no ammo. $7 per practice round isn't cheap. I'd like to know it's OK w/ the property owners first before filing the paperwork to drag it down.
Posted by: Ed L
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Glad to hear it...and when you go to talk to the property owners, don't forget to also check with the RN on duty....
Posted by: The Grateful at July 20, 2025 09:17 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Is that John's daughter or granddaughter? It's been a while since I followed the sport.
Posted by: Oddbob
Daughter. She is amazing.
Posted by: Oddbob
Daughter. She is amazing.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 20, 2025 09:17 PM (mT+6a)
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Always examine a given solution for reasonableness!
Posted by: Weasel at July 20, 2025 07:52 PM (13bqY)
Which requires... (you know what's coming, right?)
Understanding the FUNDAMENTALS.
If you don't know and practice them (math, guns, history, grammar, etc.) you can't check other things against them.
Posted by: Weasel at July 20, 2025 07:52 PM (13bqY)
Which requires... (you know what's coming, right?)
Understanding the FUNDAMENTALS.
If you don't know and practice them (math, guns, history, grammar, etc.) you can't check other things against them.
Posted by: GWB at July 20, 2025 09:17 PM (Te2JU)
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But there's still ice cream, right?
Posted by: TRex - sprinkles optional at July 20, 2025 09:18 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Can they put the sights on the side of your Nine?
Posted by: Boss Moss
I have seen an ad for those. Years ago. It was just a parody though.
Decades ago I overheard some hoodrats (in Basic Training) bragging on how the horizontal grip was mo accurate. OK.
Posted by: Boss Moss
I have seen an ad for those. Years ago. It was just a parody though.
Decades ago I overheard some hoodrats (in Basic Training) bragging on how the horizontal grip was mo accurate. OK.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 20, 2025 09:18 PM (/lPRQ)
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Glad to hear it...and when you go to talk to the property owners, don't forget to also check with the RN on duty....
Posted by: The Grateful at July 20, 2025 09:17 PM (IQ6Gq)
The chalk practice/training rounds are the only commonly available ammo around for GL's. There are other rounds (crowd control, CS, smoke, baton, etc.), but when you start getting into the $100+ per round range, you're not getting these unless you have a government agency's budget to work with.
Posted by: The Grateful at July 20, 2025 09:17 PM (IQ6Gq)
The chalk practice/training rounds are the only commonly available ammo around for GL's. There are other rounds (crowd control, CS, smoke, baton, etc.), but when you start getting into the $100+ per round range, you're not getting these unless you have a government agency's budget to work with.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 09:23 PM (BCwQW)
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The spawn has another year of nationals competition under her belt. She did her personal best in 4 of the 5 guns she shot. The one bad time was a miserable rainy day. Everyone shot badly that day. Shooting in the rain is not fun.
Posted by: lin-duh at July 20, 2025 09:01 PM
Tell The Spawn that Ace the MoMe cat is purring for her! It was raining the day she saw her.
Posted by: lin-duh at July 20, 2025 09:01 PM
Tell The Spawn that Ace the MoMe cat is purring for her! It was raining the day she saw her.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 20, 2025 09:26 PM (0sNs1)
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Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 20, 2025 08:19 PM (zZu0s)
Thank you for a much less "Revolution in Military Affairs!" take on it. Even the described container in the water with drones is basically a ... mine. A fancy one, with lots of moving parts (always an issue in warfare), but still, in the end, a mine. And, though different technology or techniques might be involved, still countered in the same way: detection, avoidance, or blowing it up while at safe distance.
Thank you for a much less "Revolution in Military Affairs!" take on it. Even the described container in the water with drones is basically a ... mine. A fancy one, with lots of moving parts (always an issue in warfare), but still, in the end, a mine. And, though different technology or techniques might be involved, still countered in the same way: detection, avoidance, or blowing it up while at safe distance.
Posted by: GWB at July 20, 2025 09:27 PM (Te2JU)
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Designed by none other than one John Moses Browning.
Posted by: blaster at July 20, 2025 08:59 PM
PBUH.
Posted by: blaster at July 20, 2025 08:59 PM
PBUH.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 20, 2025 09:30 PM (0sNs1)
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The chalk practice/training rounds are the only commonly available ammo around for GL's. There are other rounds (crowd control, CS, smoke, baton, etc.), but when you start getting into the $100+ per round range, you're not getting these unless you have a government agency's budget to work with.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 09:23 PM (BCwQW)
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Unfortunately anything that generates enough heat to start a wildfire is going to be a non-starter.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 09:23 PM (BCwQW)
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Unfortunately anything that generates enough heat to start a wildfire is going to be a non-starter.
Posted by: Weasel at July 20, 2025 09:31 PM (NDqQn)
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Weasel, as an Honorary Texan, don't you think you should have God's Texas time on the calendar for Gun Thread, instead of that Yankee abomination of Eastern Time?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 20, 2025 09:32 PM (0sNs1)
Posted by: Weasel at July 20, 2025 09:32 PM (NDqQn)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 20, 2025 09:33 PM (Wnv9h)
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The trigger action on the new Anaconda is the same (but scaled up) as that for the new Pythons.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 08:51 PM (BCwQW)
That is the important part, IMO. That trigger is the cat's meow.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 08:51 PM (BCwQW)
That is the important part, IMO. That trigger is the cat's meow.
Posted by: GWB at July 20, 2025 09:34 PM (Te2JU)
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Well Wal-Mart is really trying to get themselves into hot water.
Had to recently re-certify to sell firearms.
First, the iffy one. Now we are to report up channel as much information on a buyer as possible if it is a suspected straw purchase. This was not in the courseware last year.
Second issue could be a real humdinger. We are supposed to deny a sale if the prospective buyer has intolerant views.
Of course, neither one of these are in the test I was administered.
Had to recently re-certify to sell firearms.
First, the iffy one. Now we are to report up channel as much information on a buyer as possible if it is a suspected straw purchase. This was not in the courseware last year.
Second issue could be a real humdinger. We are supposed to deny a sale if the prospective buyer has intolerant views.
Of course, neither one of these are in the test I was administered.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 20, 2025 09:34 PM (XDShR)
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Pro Tip: Add an hour.
Posted by: Weasel at July 20, 2025 09:32 PM
That would put him even further East than *spit* New York City.
Posted by: Weasel at July 20, 2025 09:32 PM
That would put him even further East than *spit* New York City.
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We are supposed to deny a sale if the prospective buyer has intolerant views.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 20, 2025 09:34 PM (XDShR)
Ok.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 20, 2025 09:34 PM (XDShR)
Ok.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 20, 2025 09:36 PM (zZu0s)
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Intolerant being something like enjoying Star Trek Voyager, right?
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 20, 2025 09:36 PM (zZu0s)
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First, the iffy one. Now we are to report up channel as much information on a buyer as possible if it is a suspected straw purchase. This was not in the courseware last year.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 20, 2025 09:34 PM
If you suspect they're a straw purchaser, don't you deny them?
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 20, 2025 09:34 PM
If you suspect they're a straw purchaser, don't you deny them?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 20, 2025 09:37 PM (0sNs1)
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I became the proud owner of a custom tricked out Dan Wesson Pointman 7.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 20, 2025 09:06 PM (64wfp)
Wow! Congrats!
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Wow! Congrats!
Posted by: GWB at July 20, 2025 09:39 PM (Te2JU)
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Unfortunately anything that generates enough heat to start a wildfire is going to be a non-starter.
Posted by: Weasel at July 20, 2025 09:31 PM (NDqQn)
There shouldn't be any heat generated from the impact of the chalk rounds. That's from my limited military experience w/ the things. Need to do more research. The others? Out of my price range.
Posted by: Weasel at July 20, 2025 09:31 PM (NDqQn)
There shouldn't be any heat generated from the impact of the chalk rounds. That's from my limited military experience w/ the things. Need to do more research. The others? Out of my price range.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 09:39 PM (BCwQW)
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We are supposed to deny a sale if the prospective buyer has intolerant views.
Posted by: Anna Puma
Do they have a separate corporate form for the customer to fill out?
Posted by: Anna Puma
Do they have a separate corporate form for the customer to fill out?
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 20, 2025 09:40 PM (/lPRQ)
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There shouldn't be any heat generated from the impact of the chalk rounds. That's from my limited military experience w/ the things. Need to do more research. The others? Out of my price range.
Posted by: Ed L
What do they use for a primer? For reloading.
They are so low pressure I don't think case sizing would be needed.
Posted by: Ed L
What do they use for a primer? For reloading.
They are so low pressure I don't think case sizing would be needed.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 20, 2025 09:41 PM (/lPRQ)
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Unfortunately anything that generates enough heat to start a wildfire is going to be a non-starter.
Posted by: Weasel at July 20, 2025 09:31 PM (NDqQn)
There shouldn't be any heat generated from the impact of the chalk rounds. That's from my limited military experience w/ the things. Need to do more research. The others? Out of my price range.
Posted by: Ed L
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I think you're missing the message Ed...read the room...
Posted by: Weasel at July 20, 2025 09:31 PM (NDqQn)
There shouldn't be any heat generated from the impact of the chalk rounds. That's from my limited military experience w/ the things. Need to do more research. The others? Out of my price range.
Posted by: Ed L
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I think you're missing the message Ed...read the room...
Posted by: The Grateful at July 20, 2025 09:42 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Which intolerant views are banned and which ones encouraged?
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 20, 2025 09:42 PM (zZu0s)
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There could be 16 inch guns loose on the streets!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 20, 2025 09:09 PM (63Dwl)
Pfft. A 450mm Bushmaster is bigger than that.
(Thinking of that meme where almost every caliber is listed as "mm" without decimals.)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 20, 2025 09:09 PM (63Dwl)
Pfft. A 450mm Bushmaster is bigger than that.
(Thinking of that meme where almost every caliber is listed as "mm" without decimals.)
Posted by: GWB at July 20, 2025 09:42 PM (Te2JU)
Posted by: Weasel at July 20, 2025 09:43 PM (NDqQn)
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The monks were able to keep written records during the Dark Ages. It would be much harder today.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 07:34 PM (fRFTM)
This is why Elon wants to back up the Internet.
To the Moon.
How do we know that this wasn't done in a previous age?
The antediluvian people had lifespans nearing a thousand years. Think what technology you are using now and compare that to 400 years ago. Now imagine having 700 or 800 years of Einstein, Tesla, Edison, Newton, Franklin et al at work doing things. Give them 10 times the years to invent and imagine what we would have.
Where would you store all of that accumulated knowledge and on what medium?
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 07:34 PM (fRFTM)
This is why Elon wants to back up the Internet.
To the Moon.
How do we know that this wasn't done in a previous age?
The antediluvian people had lifespans nearing a thousand years. Think what technology you are using now and compare that to 400 years ago. Now imagine having 700 or 800 years of Einstein, Tesla, Edison, Newton, Franklin et al at work doing things. Give them 10 times the years to invent and imagine what we would have.
Where would you store all of that accumulated knowledge and on what medium?
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at July 20, 2025 09:44 PM (nAS9C)
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Which intolerant views are banned and which ones encouraged?
Posted by: Aetius451AD
Methodists are definitely out.
Probably people who think violent criminals should get jail time too.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
Methodists are definitely out.
Probably people who think violent criminals should get jail time too.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 20, 2025 09:44 PM (/lPRQ)
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I think you're missing the message Ed...read the room...
Posted by: The Grateful at July 20, 2025 09:42 PM (IQ6Gq)
Academic b/c I have to have $$ to get ammo and someone to get it from right now. And that's before ATF paperwork gets involved to transport it out of state. Too much work for me right now.
Posted by: The Grateful at July 20, 2025 09:42 PM (IQ6Gq)
Academic b/c I have to have $$ to get ammo and someone to get it from right now. And that's before ATF paperwork gets involved to transport it out of state. Too much work for me right now.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 09:45 PM (BCwQW)
Posted by: davidt at July 20, 2025 09:46 PM (i0F8b)
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Email me if you would like to discuss.
Posted by: Weasel at July 20, 2025 09:43 PM (NDqQn)
Will do later. I need to get smarter about this first.
Posted by: Weasel at July 20, 2025 09:43 PM (NDqQn)
Will do later. I need to get smarter about this first.
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 09:46 PM (BCwQW)
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Thanks for hosting, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at July 20, 2025 09:48 PM (BCwQW)
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Thanks for the Thread, Weasel! (Some particularly great video content tonight.)
I really hope the new job (first day is tomorrow) will enable me to go to Texas in October, so I can see so many of you. Maybe I'll even get range time before then.
I really hope the new job (first day is tomorrow) will enable me to go to Texas in October, so I can see so many of you. Maybe I'll even get range time before then.
Posted by: GWB at July 20, 2025 09:50 PM (Te2JU)
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Imagine a thousand year reich.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 20, 2025 09:50 PM (63Dwl)
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There shouldn't be any heat generated from the impact of the chalk rounds. That's from my limited military experience w/ the things. Need to do more research. The others? Out of my price range.
Posted by: Ed L
They're just plastict casings that burst on impact. Actually kind of had to see where they hit and very not satisfying with no KABOOM. I had the honor of carrying that heavy ass fukin' 203 for a while in W. Germany in the 90's. Qualified with it 3 times. Fun to play with indirect fire so close to you. High angle shots into bunkers and window shots. Fun stuff.
Posted by: Ed L
They're just plastict casings that burst on impact. Actually kind of had to see where they hit and very not satisfying with no KABOOM. I had the honor of carrying that heavy ass fukin' 203 for a while in W. Germany in the 90's. Qualified with it 3 times. Fun to play with indirect fire so close to you. High angle shots into bunkers and window shots. Fun stuff.
Posted by: Reforger at July 20, 2025 09:51 PM (sNI6D)
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They never specify what is 'intolerant' but even this simple neko grrl can read between the lines.
Exactly, straw purchase immediate denial and move along. Never before had to report anything.
So yeah, I can see this ending in court for Wal-Mart as they throw under the bus 'rogue employees.'
Exactly, straw purchase immediate denial and move along. Never before had to report anything.
So yeah, I can see this ending in court for Wal-Mart as they throw under the bus 'rogue employees.'
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 20, 2025 09:55 PM (XDShR)
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>We are supposed to deny a sale if the prospective buyer has intolerant views.
.45 vs 9mm?
Posted by: davidt at July 20, 2025 09:46 PM (i0F8b)
Ginger vs Mary Ann.
.45 vs 9mm?
Posted by: davidt at July 20, 2025 09:46 PM (i0F8b)
Ginger vs Mary Ann.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 20, 2025 09:55 PM (zZu0s)
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Boss, I’m sure Rancher Bob and Cow Horse Queen would welcome Flammenwerfen, Ja?
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 09:56 PM (tez/p)
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EdL, I am going to say NO on this
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Yamato's 460mm naval rifles have entered Chat.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 20, 2025 09:56 PM (XDShR)
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"I had the honor of carrying that heavy ass fukin' 203 for a while in W. Germany in the 90's. Qualified with it 3 times.
3 pounds is heavy?
3 pounds is heavy?
Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at July 20, 2025 09:58 PM (89Sog)
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Posted by: Ben Had at July 20, 2025 09:56 PM (HFcKg)
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I just texted our gracious hosts with the same message in case they're lurking.
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I just texted our gracious hosts with the same message in case they're lurking.
Posted by: Weasel at July 20, 2025 09:58 PM (NDqQn)
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Weasel, thanks. Gotta go.
I have a busy day of retirement tomorrow.
I have a busy day of retirement tomorrow.
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 10:06 PM (tez/p)
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I keep telling you RI Red, you are a very funny man....
Posted by: The Grateful at July 20, 2025 10:06 PM (IQ6Gq)
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230 I keep telling you RI Red, you are a very funny man....
Posted by: The Grateful at July 20, 2025 10:06
Well, someone has to keep me entertained!
Posted by: The Grateful at July 20, 2025 10:06
Well, someone has to keep me entertained!
Posted by: RI Red at July 20, 2025 10:13 PM (tez/p)
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Late to guns but, some quick thoughts.
I did some shooting yesterday with my G30 and my G26. And I ended up with some serious Glock Knuckle. I am very used to Glocks, but starting out with 50 rounds of speedy .45 JHP it felt like every round went directly into my right hand middle finger.
Not fun.
The G26 felt so mild in comparison but it still fits my hand so that the Glock Knuckle was amplified.
Gonna try my PSA Micro Dagger next week as it fits my hand differently.
I did some shooting yesterday with my G30 and my G26. And I ended up with some serious Glock Knuckle. I am very used to Glocks, but starting out with 50 rounds of speedy .45 JHP it felt like every round went directly into my right hand middle finger.
Not fun.
The G26 felt so mild in comparison but it still fits my hand so that the Glock Knuckle was amplified.
Gonna try my PSA Micro Dagger next week as it fits my hand differently.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at July 20, 2025 10:41 PM (xcxpd)
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3 pounds is heavy?
Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at July 20, 2025 09:58 PM (89Sog)
Add it to the weight of the M-16a2 it was attached to then multiply by distance of road march plus ammo pack...
Yeah. The fucking thing was heavy. Carrying 10 lbs (M203) vs. 6.5 lbs (M16a2) for hours and hours while trudging though mud in Graf. 3 pounds? Idiot. It's an attachment to the rifle. The single shot shoulder fired version is not a 203.
You kind of had to be there.
Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at July 20, 2025 09:58 PM (89Sog)
Add it to the weight of the M-16a2 it was attached to then multiply by distance of road march plus ammo pack...
Yeah. The fucking thing was heavy. Carrying 10 lbs (M203) vs. 6.5 lbs (M16a2) for hours and hours while trudging though mud in Graf. 3 pounds? Idiot. It's an attachment to the rifle. The single shot shoulder fired version is not a 203.
You kind of had to be there.
Posted by: Reforger at July 20, 2025 10:55 PM (sNI6D)
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The shoulder fired 40mm is the M79.
Posted by: Reforger at July 20, 2025 10:56 PM (sNI6D)
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I don't think a Form 20 is required for a suppressor but, suppressors must be legal in the state you take them to.
On the other hand, I am no internet lawyer.
On the other hand, I am no internet lawyer.
Posted by: toby928 is this a trope? at July 20, 2025 11:10 PM (Y1Bj4)
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Add it to the weight of the M-16a2 it was attached to then multiply by distance of road march plus ammo pack...
Yeah. The fucking thing was heavy. Carrying 10 lbs (M203) vs. 6.5 lbs (M16a2) for hours and hours while trudging though mud in Graf. 3 pounds? Idiot. It's an attachment to the rifle. The single shot shoulder fired version is not a 203.
You kind of had to be there.
Posted by: Reforger
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Was a 12B (combat engineer). Squad was old school breaching. We had four M249 gunners with 600 rounds for base load, the two fire team leaders had the 203s. Newbies got the satchel charges.
Yeah. The fucking thing was heavy. Carrying 10 lbs (M203) vs. 6.5 lbs (M16a2) for hours and hours while trudging though mud in Graf. 3 pounds? Idiot. It's an attachment to the rifle. The single shot shoulder fired version is not a 203.
You kind of had to be there.
Posted by: Reforger
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Was a 12B (combat engineer). Squad was old school breaching. We had four M249 gunners with 600 rounds for base load, the two fire team leaders had the 203s. Newbies got the satchel charges.
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