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Can the Democrats of New York help out California??

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Recently, a young friend on social media posted a short clip suggesting that the harsh rhetoric of many prominent Democrats toward Zorhan Mamdani, candidate for mayor of NYC, demonstrated why they were ineffective at "fighting fascism".

On Thursday, Ace picked up the following squabble: Zohran Mamdani's communist supporters say they're going to primary leftwing racist Hakeem Jeffries next. And then:

Jeffries' team fired back with their new, dumb insult.

Leader Hakeem Jeffries is focused on taking back the House from the MAGA extremists who just ripped health care away from millions of Americans," Jeffries senior adviser André Richardson told CNN.
"However, if Team Gentrification wants a primary fight, our response will be forceful and unrelenting. We will teach them and all of their incumbents a painful lesson on June 23, 2026," he warned.

"Team gentrification". Heh. There's some harsh rhetoric for you.

But "prominent Democrats" in NYC are not the only ones with communication problems lately.

On Thursday, J.J. Sefton provided some excellent commentary on untoward behavior by Democrats recently. J.J. featured a piece by Victor Davis Hanson which included a wide variety of such behavior, The Roots of Leftist Rage. VDH concludes:

Add it all up, and the impotent left in all its orthodox and street manifestations has become unhinged.

And why not when it rightly fears that not just its power, but the very sources of its power, are in mortal danger?

There are a couple of nutty things from California that you may have missed this week with Gavin on the podcast trail. He may not have covered all the issues, either. I have been wondering in particular if the state and local officials who have decided to require the building of low-income housing in Pacific Palisades might not want to take some tips from Zorhan Mamdani, whose ideas for "community housing"seem to be among the most popular parts of his campaign.

Together, California and NYC could show us how his ideas would work! Maybe they need a little "Team Gentrification". Instead of this:

Back in February, I wrote about a new Los Angeles ordinance that had come into effect, requiring low-income housing to be erected, replacing apartment buildings that were lost.

What that meant to fire victims who'd lost their rental homes was they might never have a home to return to if the landlord rebuilt their building and they now earned too much to make the qualifications for the low-income threshold.

In effect, LA County would be making them homeless.

Also read the whole piece by Beege Welborn, which includes travails of fire victims in several communities: Y'All Got Took: There Was Never Going to Be Any 'Rebuilt' Pacific Palisades

You knew when comedian turned prophet Adam Corolla went on an epic rant from a hotel room desk, a fire refugee himself waiting on word whether he had a home or not, telling you then and there if your home was gone, it was gone for good.

Because Mayor Karen Bass, Governor Gavin Newsom, and the soul-crushing machinery of the State of California had the will and the power to ensure you would never rebuild, one way or the other.

There are a couple of videos embedded in this piece, too.

Could Zorhan Mamdani make the Democrats more popular here with his new ideas?

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Think about it

Codevilla emphasized the importance of bureaucracy in fascism. I kinda think that the classic communists quickly switch over to something like Mussolini's fascist economic ideas pretty quickly if they want to survive. In the West, we may see something similar . . .

I'm ever more convinced that the reality of Soviet economic life has been mischaracterized, including by the regime itself, as "communism/socialism" – to make it seem vaguely intelligent, experimental, and foreign – when it was more like a county entirely managed by a administrative state in partnership with industry, something not entirely unknown in the US.

Have a look at the high-speed rail development in California. Thirty years of planning and work, $38B spent, and only 119 miles more-or-less completed (a 2.5 hour drive) but already falling apart before a single ticket has been purchased. It's Soviet-like in every way because that is what happens in any society – forget socialism – that is burdened by a parasitic ruling class under any ideological slogan.

"A parasitic ruling class" is right. The people who designed this fiasco ignored the hopes and dreams of various members of their own ruling class (environmental in particular). They counted on forcing through a complex project by finishing the easy part first - - but the easy part was NOT easy.

Can Zorhan Mamdami help California out here? He's into mass transit. He smiles a lot and is popular. A political show business type who wants to bring legal prostitution back to the theater district.

We have seen some theatrics by congressional democrats recently, too.

Is it too much?

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Hope you have something nice planned for this weekend.

This is the Thread before the Gardening Thread.

Serving your mid-day open thread needs


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Last week's thread, July 5, Independence Day Weekend (with a little socialism)

Comments are closed so you won't ban yourself by trying to comment on a week-old thread. But don't try it anyway.

Posted by: K.T. at 11:13 AM




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Posted by: Cow Demon at July 12, 2025 11:16 AM (vm8sq)

2 Hey, Mr. Jeffries, no one can take “health care” from me. Ever. I have no health for which to care.

Posted by: Cow Demon at July 12, 2025 11:17 AM (vm8sq)

3 Morning, KT!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 12, 2025 11:20 AM (2UnvF)

4 Hi, Duke!

Posted by: KT at July 12, 2025 11:23 AM (xekrU)

5 Great thread, so good that I actually broke from AoS convention and actually read every word. Thanks for writing it K.T.

Posted by: .87c at July 12, 2025 11:23 AM (MbAOz)

6 Good to see you, KT! Particularly appreciate the Handy Guide.

Posted by: barkingmad59, wandering lurkette at July 12, 2025 11:27 AM (R3yzU)

7 I thought gentrification meant taking some poverty-ravaged rathole and dressing it up to make it suitable for the young white urban elite, running out the ho's and drug dealers in the process.

So "Hakeem" thinks this is a bad thing?

(The sad irony is that Mamdani will do exactly the opposite to New York, of course, so "Hakeem" has his bald head up his ass.)

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 12, 2025 11:28 AM (hY4dx)

8 But....CA 's weather is wonderful and I can get Chinese food at 3am in NYC. We'd vote for someone different than the usual totalitarian assholes, but voting is hard and takes up so much of our time.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at July 12, 2025 11:31 AM (g8Ew8)

9 5 Great thread, so good that I actually broke from AoS convention and actually read every word. Thanks for writing it K.T.
Posted by: .87c at July 12, 2025 11:23 AM (MbAOz)

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Your infraction has been noted and further violations of HQ protocol will invite serious repercussions.

Posted by: The AoSHQ Comment Propriety Review Referee at July 12, 2025 11:32 AM (hY4dx)

10 Yeah, it's kinda crowded up in here.

Posted by: Hakeem's ass at July 12, 2025 11:33 AM (XQo4F)

11 @#7: Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 12, 2025 11:28 AM (hY4dx)
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So, gentrification is the lefty "dog whistle" phrase for white people? Yes, they're bat sh!t crazy, but very, very dangerous. Thanks for the post K.T.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at July 12, 2025 11:33 AM (NGwH/)

12 Good morning KT

Posted by: Skip at July 12, 2025 11:36 AM (+qU29)

13 Discovery and Preliminary Characterization of a Third Interstellar Object: 3I/ATLAS
arxiv.org/pdf/2507.02757

Posted by: gp Got Sick Bars at July 12, 2025 11:37 AM (TwZXH)

14
How is Newsom gonna explain away the train to nowhere? Republicans ought to be exposing and hammering away at that now. It's been languishing under several democrat presidencies, so he can't blame Republicans at any level -- state or federal.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 12, 2025 11:38 AM (UmB+t)

15 Yep. All of a sudden Brad and Meghan are out on the sidewalk with the stroller and the labra doodle and the hoods on the corner are all like Damn! We caint sell nuthin' to dem!

Posted by: Gentrification at July 12, 2025 11:42 AM (XQo4F)

16 Arrest the LA mayor for interfering in a federal investigation/obstruction of justice. Throw her in jail for a few days.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at July 12, 2025 11:43 AM (etTpa)

17 "How is Newsom gonna explain away the train to nowhere?"

It's a write off, Jerry.
They just write it off.

Posted by: Kramer at July 12, 2025 11:45 AM (XQo4F)

18 JP Morgan CEO: I Have a Lot of Friends Who Are Democrats, And They're Idiots

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Also evil.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, A Walmart 6 at July 12, 2025 11:45 AM (L/fGl)

19 Send ICE to every construction site in LA.
Arrest . Deport. Repeat.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at July 12, 2025 11:50 AM (etTpa)

20 How is Newsom gonna explain away the train to nowhere?

He will blame Trump anyway. Because that's what they do.
Besides, the Dems have been pocketing that money anyway.
Yes they are crooks, D.C. Dems can't have all the fun.

Posted by: Case at July 12, 2025 11:50 AM (ilX37)

21 “Girls” Star Lena Dunham Says Conservative Misogyny Led to MAGA Movement

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Fat pig says what?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, A Walmart 6 at July 12, 2025 11:52 AM (L/fGl)

22 "high-speed rail development in California. Thirty years of planning and work, $38B spent, and only 119 miles more-or-less completed (a 2.5 hour drive) but already falling apart before a single ticket has been purchased."

It was all stolen. Nobody cared about meeting any of the original objectives of the project. It was just a boondoggle to spread OPM around to the connected. Not to mention just a plain stupid idea to begin with. A lot of people get really nostalgically stupid over passenger choo-choos.

Posted by: gp Got Sick Bars at July 12, 2025 11:53 AM (TwZXH)

23 John Cusack Says Israeli, American Flags Symbolize "Genocide" to Many People

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Uh oh. I've got a crossed Israel /American flag pin on my cap. Two time loser.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, A Walmart 6 at July 12, 2025 11:56 AM (L/fGl)

24 Thanks for the essay, K.T.

Who is Newsom supposed to resemble in the picture-someone particular or just an extremely wealthy out of touch Democrat wearing clothes that looks like they're from the Victorian age?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 12, 2025 11:56 AM (2GCMq)

25 > "high-speed rail development in California. Thirty years of planning and work, $38B spent, and only 119 miles more-or-less completed (a 2.5 hour drive) but already falling apart before a single ticket has been purchased."
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Sort of like the billions allocated for EV charging stations by the *biden junta that (IIRC) one of which was actually built.

DOGE should have looked into where all that dough went.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 12, 2025 11:56 AM (Q4IgG)

26 Trump should have USDA declare cannabis (other than cordage hemp) to be a noxious weed, and require that all State agriculture agencies to eradicate any stands of it found on public or private land, or lose all Fed agriculture benefits.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 12, 2025 11:56 AM (f+HOd)

27 @ 22: Posted by: gp Got Sick Bars at July 12, 2025 11:53 AM (TwZXH)
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38 Billion? That's chump change for the solar and wind energy grifters.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at July 12, 2025 11:57 AM (NGwH/)

28 Thanks for the "handy guide" as well. That was sadly true.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 12, 2025 11:58 AM (2GCMq)

29 DNC Chair: Dems Win by Welcoming Leftists Who Refuse to Condemn “Globalize the Intifada”

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So that's the problem, not enough Nazism.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, A Walmart 6 at July 12, 2025 11:59 AM (L/fGl)

30 Thanks KT

I was wondering what is going on with Pacific Palisades. My sympathy for those that lost their homes to the fires and now have the near impossible rules and regs to overcome in order to rebuild.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 12, 2025 12:00 PM (PcTds)

31 Thx K.T. Fighting against other leftist factions is a hallmark of a leftist revolution. The most vicious and hardcore come out on top

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 12, 2025 12:01 PM (JrdHf)

32 Hi KT
Glad you're back.
Ethel 's dress is....I don't have words.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 12, 2025 12:01 PM (t/2Uw)

33 6 Trump should have USDA declare cannabis (other than cordage hemp) to be a noxious weed, and require that all State agriculture agencies to eradicate any stands of it found on public or private land, or lose all Fed agriculture benefits.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 12, 2025 11:56 AM (f+HOd)

Nah. Let states like CA, CO, etc. stone themselves to death.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at July 12, 2025 12:01 PM (g8Ew8)

34 >>Alberta Oil Peon at July 12, 2025 11:56 AM (f+HOd)

The cultivation and/or sale of marijuana is prohibited by Federal law.

Posted by: lurk at July 12, 2025 12:02 PM (7IOVT)

35 California is a big part of the reason the country is 32 Trillion Dollars in debt.

It ain't Iowa blowing all that dough!

Posted by: Case at July 12, 2025 12:02 PM (ilX37)

36 He's talking about you!

Canadian Police Official: “Traditional Values” May Be Sign a Person Is Becoming “Extremist”

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, A Walmart 6 at July 12, 2025 12:03 PM (L/fGl)

37 I was talking to a guy who lives way out in the sticks about Walmart+ free delivery, and how it might work well for him. He started in right away about how we never should have shut down the old interurban passenger train system of a century ago.

In his nostalgic haze, he thinks it would be easier and more efficient for him to travel to a train station (by foot or cab,) board a train, ride choochoo, deboard and travel to a grocery store (bfoc,) travel back to the train station carrying groceries (bfoc,) ride choochoo, deboard and travel home carrying groceries (bfoc.)

He thinks that would be better than just having his groceries delivered at negligible cost, because passenger trains are so cool. Such is the nostalgic lure of obsolete tech to train buffs.

Posted by: gp Got Sick Bars at July 12, 2025 12:04 PM (TwZXH)

38 TexMex lunch, then tackle some grass, not the smoking kind

Posted by: Eromero at July 12, 2025 12:04 PM (UYYJi)

39 We currently have tall hills of that "boondoggle" stacked up not far from us -- artificial hills made during the construction of detours.

Posted by: KT at July 12, 2025 12:05 PM (xekrU)

40 Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 12, 2025 12:01 PM (t/2Uw)

The dress certainly extenuates her top half. I'm interested to see a picture of her before she got older and heavier.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 12, 2025 12:05 PM (2GCMq)

41 Two refineries closing in CA, they're going to need all the choo-choos they can find. Boutique, exclusive gasoline blends don't grow on trees, you know.

Posted by: Casey Jones at July 12, 2025 12:05 PM (G5+As)

42 I want Mamdani to win. NYC needs to get it good and hard. Then harder.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 12, 2025 12:05 PM (ImXfC)

43 The cultivation and/or sale of marijuana is prohibited by Federal law.
Posted by: lurk at July 12, 2025 12:02 PM (7IOVT)

Yeah, but they are not enforcing it, right?

My plan would make it financially necessary for State Ag departments to eradicate pot farms, or else they would lose mucho Fed $$$. Ju Jitsu.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 12, 2025 12:08 PM (f+HOd)

44 I don't want Osama Bin Lenin to win and I hope California eventually picks a Republican Governor or less of a Democrat left winger, if possible.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 12, 2025 12:09 PM (2GCMq)

45 People living here in Shithole IL are always lobbying to restore the passenger train service to Chicago, 1.5 hours away by car, via an excellent tollway. If they ever get it, here's what will happen: at first a bunch of them will ride it once or twice just for the novelty, realize how inconvenient it really is, and ridership will drop from there.

Posted by: gp Got Sick Bars at July 12, 2025 12:11 PM (TwZXH)

46 "I want Mamdani to win. NYC needs to get it good and hard. Then harder."

I'm probably a bit more selfish. The only way that can affect me is clogging up my town with more seemingly unrepentant refugees which I really could live without.

How likely is Trump to support coughing up a taxpayer funded bailout of his hometown?

Posted by: pawn at July 12, 2025 12:11 PM (QB+5g)

47 Robot Can Autonomously Perform Gallbladder Surgical Procedure

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Except on Thursdays. It golfs on Thursdays.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, A Walmart 6 at July 12, 2025 12:11 PM (L/fGl)

48 New York City will only get what they deserve. It's on them.

Posted by: Case at July 12, 2025 12:12 PM (ilX37)

49 Great post, KT. Thanks for sharing the link to Hot Air - I rarely get over there, but it was quite interesting. Loved Adam Carolla's rant, which is obviously turning out to be rather prophetic.

Posted by: Retired, thank God! at July 12, 2025 12:16 PM (9BIt9)

50 41 A gas station in San Luis AZ or Yuma might be a pretty good investment. You might have to put in additional tanks.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 12, 2025 12:18 PM (gm9Sb)

51 White people move in - gentrification, and racist.

White people move out - white flight, and racist.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 12, 2025 12:18 PM (hkTyT)

52 The dress certainly extenuates her top half. I'm interested to see a picture of her before she got older and heavier.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Who’s socking Fen?

Posted by: Kratwurst at July 12, 2025 12:20 PM (D2i5O)

53 My take on the plight of the Pacific Palisades folks who want to rebuild there: pick someplace else to live that isn't so flammable. Most of them are well off enough to move anywhere they want.

They really should have taken the hint when insurers refused to cover them.

Posted by: gp Got Sick Bars at July 12, 2025 12:20 PM (TwZXH)

54 Nah. Let states like CA, CO, etc. stone themselves to death.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at July 12, 2025 12:01 PM (g8Ew


Every state like that is going to turn into Colombia or Mexico, and the crime and corruption will expand to your state, no matter how sanctimonious you and your neighbors are about drug use.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 12, 2025 12:20 PM (D7oie)

55 New York City will only get what they deserve. It's on them.

Posted by: Case at July 12, 2025 12:12 PM (ilX37)


Do you also agree that we all deserved Biden and Harris in 2020?

Posted by: Ian S. at July 12, 2025 12:22 PM (QZThv)

56 Every state like that is going to turn into Colombia or Mexico, and the crime and corruption will expand to your state, no matter how sanctimonious you and your neighbors are about drug use.

Ask Israel how having a failed shithole on your border works out.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 12, 2025 12:23 PM (QZThv)

57 55 If you live there, I'm curious to hear about how Mamdani(?) got elected. Was it on the up and up?

Posted by: gp Got Sick Bars at July 12, 2025 12:24 PM (TwZXH)

58 My take on the plight of the Pacific Palisades folks who want to rebuild there: pick someplace else to live that isn't so flammable. Most of them are well off enough to move anywhere they want.

They really should have taken the hint when insurers refused to cover them.

Posted by: gp Got Sick Bars at July 12, 2025 12:20 PM


They really don't have a choice. They certainly can't sell their property and they are on the hook for ridiculous property taxes whether they rebuild or not.


Unless they abandon their property and move out of state they are screwed with their only real option to rebuild if they can get permits which is no sure thing now that newsome et. al. are changing the rules.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 12, 2025 12:25 PM (e5NfL)

59 My take on the plight of the Pacific Palisades folks who want to rebuild there: pick someplace else to live that isn't so flammable. Most of them are well off enough to move anywhere they want.

I feel for those among them, like James Woods, who assuredly didn't vote for this, but as for the rest of them, you're getting exactly what you voted for. Enjoy.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 12, 2025 12:27 PM (Riz8t)

60 They really should have taken the hint when insurers refused to cover them.
Posted by: gp Got Sick Bars at July 12, 2025 12:20 PM (TwZXH)


Funny man. Did you know the state makes any clearance of brush in Ca into a multi-year paperwork struggle? Including the highly flammable chapparal on your back fence?

If your state fined your house insurance company so high they left the state, sent a crew over to your houses and burned it down with gasoline and road flares, then fined you for ecological damage caused by your car burning to the rims and frame, and then told you that they were going to change the land use to multi-unit housing only; what is your response to me telling you that you should have gotten out the house you are raising your kids in when the insurance company told you to get bent?

Are you happy? Are you content? Are you accepting that the property that you paid the mortgage and taxes on for 20 years and sacrificed economically for was never yours if the state decided it was theirs?
No? How selfish.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 12, 2025 12:28 PM (D7oie)

61 If you live there, I'm curious to hear about how Mamdani(?) got elected. Was it on the up and up?

I don't live there, but my position is simply that blue city/blue state election results are always fake and gay. Trump gets a lot of credit for simply doing things the experts said couldn't be done, but Ron DeSantis got the ball rolling by forcibly cleaning up Miami's voter rolls. All of the sudden a major city was not voting for Democrats, when experts claimed major cities would always be overwhelmingly Dem.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 12, 2025 12:28 PM (QZThv)

62 Posted by: Kratwurst at July 12, 2025 12:20 PM (D2i5O)

Nobody is socking me and it's a quite accurate comment. Also, the picture I was speaking of I'd like to see was not of Merman in a vintage boob- - -a - pallooza shot ( she may have some décolletage , but probably not of the breasts almost falling but of her blouse like an earlier version of Kim Kardashian) but Of her face when she was young. I found some:

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 12, 2025 12:28 PM (2GCMq)

63 My take on the plight of the Pacific Palisades folks who want to rebuild there: pick someplace else to live that isn't so flammable. Most of them are well off enough to move anywhere they want.

Palisades isn't that flammable when you do ordinary forest management. Cali stopped doing that decades ago because the environmental lobby (emphasis on "mental") wanted to preserve the feelings of fish.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 12, 2025 12:30 PM (QZThv)

64 Palisades isn't that flammable when you do ordinary forest management. Cali stopped doing that decades ago because the environmental lobby (emphasis on "mental") wanted to preserve the feelings of fish.

For the last damn time, I did NOT fart.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at July 12, 2025 12:31 PM (Riz8t)

65 60 You cite me several reasons why it's a horrible place to live, then you want me to sympathize with the people who insist on living in such a horrible place.

Hey, I regret the housing choice I made too! Unlike most of them, I haven't the means to move.

Posted by: gp Got Sick Bars at July 12, 2025 12:31 PM (TwZXH)

66 my neighbor's mother was Ethel Merman's corsetière at
Bonwit Teller in Philadelphia.

Posted by: kallisto at July 12, 2025 12:33 PM (dCxaZ)

67
gas station in San Luis AZ or Yuma might be a pretty good investment. You might have to put in additional tanks.
Posted by: bill in arkansas

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Arco station in Yuma, just a couple of miles inside the state line on I-8. I always hit it coming and going when I went to visit my Uncle Jim.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 12, 2025 12:33 PM (UmB+t)

68 Getting through the Hot Air link, and wonder in the Lahaina are doing any better in rebuilding

Posted by: Skip at July 12, 2025 12:34 PM (+qU29)

69 Palisades isn't that flammable when you do ordinary forest management. Cali stopped doing that decades ago because the environmental lobby (emphasis on "mental") wanted to preserve the feelings of fish.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 12, 2025 12:30 PM (QZThv)


From what I understand, the additional flow into the Sacramento delta is not for the fish, but to dilute the treated sewage coming from Sacramento to a level that is not violating the state and federal water regulations. Otherwise they state would be either paying penalties, building sewage facilities to remove the additional P and N from the outflow, or have to figure out how to give themselves regulatory exemptions.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 12, 2025 12:34 PM (D7oie)

70 Sooner, rather than later, someone in the democrat hopeful stable of "leaders" is going to role the dice and try to take control of the party. Currently, the extreme radicals are pretending to lead without the tools, support or unified message. The "Trojan Horse" democrats (the ones who say one thing and do another) are all keeping their heads down. Because, they know the minute one of them steps into the ring, the current administration is going to do a laser focus on their history and past behavior. At the current administration is in a position to do so efficiently and with devastating results. None of the potential democrat leadership is clean. They all have their skeletons.

So, the wait, and the void is filled with true radicals ruining their brand even more. So, the democrats have to take a risk. And, someone will have to step forward (role the dice) and hope for the best. Otherwise, the party decays even further into something unrecognizable, and disturbing.

It's a fun game to watch.

Posted by: Orson at July 12, 2025 12:35 PM (dIske)

71 Posted by: kallisto at July 12, 2025 12:33 PM (dCxaZ

That's interesting. I only really know of her as having a strong voice but she certainly was in a lot of musicals and given the fact that she sang "God bless America" I'd like to think that she meant it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 12, 2025 12:35 PM (2GCMq)

72 Primaries are notoriously low in voting, make sure your backers are out and your in

Posted by: Skip at July 12, 2025 12:36 PM (+qU29)

73 hope California eventually picks a Republican Governor

STEINER WILL COME

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at July 12, 2025 12:36 PM (aeOxc)

74 Getting through the Hot Air link, and wonder in the Lahaina are doing any better in rebuilding

They aren't. The native Hawaiian lobby thinks this is their big chance to get their land-acknowledged land back from the haoles, and they own all the permitting and zoning boards. The Dem governor of Hawaii tried to intervene to expedite permits and was sued by the ACLU for committing a "fascist genocide". A Hawaiian judge ruled for the ACLU, of course.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 12, 2025 12:36 PM (QZThv)

75 You cite me several reasons why it's a horrible place to live, then you want me to sympathize with the people who insist on living in such a horrible place.

Hey, I regret the housing choice I made too! Unlike most of them, I haven't the means to move.
Posted by: gp Got Sick Bars at July 12, 2025 12:31 PM (TwZXH)


Your sympathy and understanding overwhelms everyone.

I know, those stupid North Koreans, they should vote harder, too.
They should either move somewhere else, or be allowed to starve to death in the next famine.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 12, 2025 12:36 PM (D7oie)

76 My take on the plight of the Pacific Palisades folks who want to rebuild there: pick someplace else to live that isn't so flammable. Most of them are well off enough to move anywhere they want.

They really should have taken the hint when insurers refused to cover them.
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I think people should be able to do as they like with land that they own. If they choose the risk, so be it. Having the government make decisions for private landowners is imo wrong in many ways; not the least of which is creating a class of people who let the gvt do their thinking.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 12, 2025 12:36 PM (PcTds)

77 Do you also agree that we all deserved Biden and Harris in 2020?
Posted by: Ian S. at July 12, 2025 12:22 PM (QZThv)

2 views: 1st, yes we did, because we allowed the corruption to grow until that was the natural end result. It’s a true miracle we have started to come back.
2nd view: as Clint Eastwood said in Unforgiven, Deserve’s got nothing to do with it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 12, 2025 12:37 PM (Hlfhp)

78 None of the potential democrat leadership is clean. They all have their skeletons.

So, the wait, and the void is filled with true radicals ruining their brand even more. So, the democrats have to take a risk. And, someone will have to step forward (role the dice) and hope for the best. Otherwise, the party decays even further into something unrecognizable, and disturbing.


In some ways, this is the story of Trump. The rest of the cowardly GOP marched in lockstep and was afraid to say anything about illegal immigration, for fear of being called racist. Trump, the radical in this case, stepped forward. You'd think people would learn from his example.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 12, 2025 12:39 PM (Riz8t)

79 > Y'All Got Took: There Was Never Going to Be Any 'Rebuilt' Pacific Palisades
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I think a lot of people, many here, knew this as soon as the homes were torched. People who were renting houses that burned down have nowhere to go back to since the homeowner's probably won't be permitted to rebuild.

And the area seems... less than ideal for "low income" housing... but whatever. It's California. The state was always going to screw it's citizens.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 12, 2025 12:39 PM (Q4IgG)

80 Sidebar -

Alan Dershowitz says there is an "Epstein Client List," but that it contains many people falsely accused by Virginia Guiffre, and also a lot of negative information about Guiffre herself.

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So what the hell was Virginia's function again?

But for pics of her with rich and famous you'd think she was some rando who came out of the woodwork to accuse random rich and famous of bad things.

She's like Jodie Foster in Taxi Driver, a lone child prostitute whose few tricks a day supports a gaggle of pimps and henchmen all on the few nameless John's who wander through. But her pimp is one of NYFC's wealthiest and best connected with many very expensive estates, not some gritty shithole brownstone.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 12, 2025 12:39 PM (/lPRQ)

81 Alan Dershowitz says there is an "Epstein Client List," but that it contains many people falsely accused by Virginia Guiffre, and also a lot of negative information about Guiffre herself.

Dersh also claims that he only went to Epstein's island multiple times because they give great massages there, and definitely no happy endings.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 12, 2025 12:40 PM (QZThv)

82 I think people should be able to do as they like with land that they own. If they choose the risk, so be it. Having the government make decisions for private landowners is imo wrong in many ways; not the least of which is creating a class of people who let the gvt do their thinking.

This only works if people have to accept the consequences of their decisions and the government keeps its snout out of things. Government (i.e. taxpayer) subsidized insurance allows them to avoid those consequences.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 12, 2025 12:41 PM (Riz8t)

83 Stalin could fix many of the DemCong problems by merely eliminating 3/4th of the DemCong leadership.

Ta-Da -- 3/4ths of problems eliminated.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 12, 2025 12:41 PM (/lPRQ)

84 "If they choose the risk, so be it"

Precisely. It's an asset. If it devalues, or they chose poorly in the first place, all they can do is try to sell it to the greater fool.

No different from buying a block of stock. Nobody feels sorry for a guy who takes a flyer on Global Crossing and loses.

Parts of CA are clearly a fire-adapted ecosystem. Unless you radically change the vegetation cover, it burns. We had big parts of Illinois like that, but we turned it all into corn fields, so not a prob any more.

Posted by: gp Got Sick Bars at July 12, 2025 12:42 PM (TwZXH)

85 That's interesting. I only really know of her as having a strong voice but she certainly was in a lot of musicals and given the fact that she sang "God bless America" I'd like to think that she meant it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 12, 2025 12:35 PM (2GCMq)


yes, entertainment business was patriotic back then

Posted by: kallisto at July 12, 2025 12:45 PM (dCxaZ)

86 It may be too late, but the Palisades & Altadena home owners should put together ownership corporations that sues the city/co/state and uses the awards to fight off the investment cos that are going to piecemeal the properties. It could be the one to file all of the injunctions to stave off the worst aspects that are inevitable at this point.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 12, 2025 12:46 PM (mlg/3)

87 GP, I can tell you are just arguing to piss people off, but I do hope someone at least pisses on you when you catch on fire, instead of saying things like, "well, you know, he shouldn't have been in his front yard when the gangbangers decided to chase him down the street with a bottle of lighter fluid and a matches"

Posted by: Kindltot at July 12, 2025 12:48 PM (D7oie)

88 Hakeem isn't helping himself when he lies to his base and other Dems/lefties. Millions of Americans did not lose healthcare. Millions of illegals did.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 12, 2025 12:48 PM (W/lyH)

89 This only works if people have to accept the consequences of their decisions and the government keeps its snout out of things. Government (i.e. taxpayer) subsidized insurance allows them to avoid those consequences.
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Absolutely, so get the gvt out! I don't like the argument "we can't do this because of that". Yes there is an interconnectedness to the problems, and if we are going to fight for a rollback of gvt overreach we have to start somewhere.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 12, 2025 12:49 PM (PcTds)

90 Have a look at the high-speed rail development in California. Thirty years of planning and work, $38B spent, and only 119 miles more-or-less completed (a 2.5 hour drive) but already falling apart before a single ticket has been purchased. It's Soviet-like in every way because that is what happens in any society – forget socialism – that is burdened by a parasitic ruling class under any ideological slogan.

Uh, more or less completed? Not a SINGLE FUCKING PIECE OF TRACK has been laid... not one... anywhere.

Lots of bridges to nowhere... lots of farms cut in half... but... more or less completed?

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 12, 2025 12:50 PM (mP0Kj)

91 87 No Kindltot, I want to be friends with all you guys, and I am saying what I really think. I'm sorry if you think I'm a bad person, or have insufficient sympathy, and I hope you won't hold it against me too much.

Posted by: gp Got Sick Bars at July 12, 2025 12:51 PM (TwZXH)

92 @57 I love 90m north of NYC. Mamdani's primary win was probably straight, though with ranked choice there probably was some shenanigans. Cuomo ran a shitty campaign and had obvious problems. The other candidates were useless lifers.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 12, 2025 12:51 PM (JrdHf)

93
Alan Dershowitz says there is an "Epstein Client List," but that it contains many people falsely accused by Virginia Guiffre, and also a lot of negative information about Guiffre herself.

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If you're talking about the same video snippet that I saw, he never talks about "clients," just "names," and he's mostly concerned about people who have been falsely accused. Those are the files he says should be released so that -- I don't fully understand, but something like so that those people can clear themselves like he did. When he says "victims," he seems to be talking about those people.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 12, 2025 12:51 PM (UmB+t)

94 86 It may be too late, but the Palisades & Altadena home owners should put together ownership corporations that sues the city/co/state and uses the awards to fight off the investment cos that are going to piecemeal the properties. It could be the one to file all of the injunctions to stave off the worst aspects that are inevitable at this point.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 12, 2025 12:46 PM (mlg/3)

of the 800 building permits that have gotten through the first hurdles (there are about 8 steps)... only about 100 have actually been approved... this is 6 months after the fires.

Of those 100... I'd wager they are all either high density housing, or the owners have political connections.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 12, 2025 12:52 PM (mP0Kj)

95 >>> Thirty years of planning and work, $38B spent, and only 119 miles more-or-less completed (a 2.5 hour drive)

This is how bad it is - even critics of the rail are low-balling it -
- Absent any other details...
- Speed limit is 70 mph on the expressway
- Gentlemen +10 mph before you ticketed
- 80 mph for short trip (no piss breaks at the wonder that is Bukee's)
- 120 miles is closer to 1.5 hours than 2.5 hours.

Agin, when even the critics of rail expound on how wonderful rail is, are they really 'critics'.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 12, 2025 12:53 PM (/lPRQ)

96 26 >>Trump should have USDA declare cannabis (other than cordage hemp) to be a noxious weed, and require that all State agriculture agencies to eradicate any stands of it found on public or private land, or lose all Fed agriculture benefits.

AOP, about 50 years ago the Kansas legislature declared the Nebraska state bird a public nuisance, and the Nebraska legislature resolved that the Kansas state flower was a noxious weed. During college football season, of course.

Posted by: Nazdar at July 12, 2025 12:53 PM (NcvvS)

97 "If they choose the risk, so be it"

Precisely. It's an asset. If it devalues, or they chose poorly in the first place, all they can do is try to sell it to the greater fool.
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The problem in Pacific Palisades is not that the property owners chose poorly or even that the homes burnt down. The problem is that the state makes it nearly impossible to build.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 12, 2025 12:54 PM (PcTds)

98 Parts of CA are clearly a fire-adapted ecosystem. Unless you radically change the vegetation cover, it burns. We had big parts of Illinois like that, but we turned it all into corn fields, so not a prob any more.
Posted by: gp Got Sick Bars at July 12, 2025 12:42 PM (TwZXH)

Interesting that almost all the big fires are out West... you know, where the Government still owns most of the land? and all those fires start on? oh... Gov owned land?

Almost like if someone owns something themselves, they don't want it to burn down.... but the Government?

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 12, 2025 12:55 PM (mP0Kj)

99
AOP, about 50 years ago the Kansas legislature declared the Nebraska state bird a public nuisance, and the Nebraska legislature resolved that the Kansas state flower was a noxious weed. During college football season, of course.
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🤣 Some states are serious about their football.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 12, 2025 12:57 PM (PcTds)

100
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 12, 2025 12:50 PM (mP0Kj)

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That train to nowhere is such an embarrassing and massive disaster, I don't see how Newsom answers for it. He'll just have to change the subject. That's probably the tactic he's working on right now. Can you imagine being in strategy sessions with him? "They're gonna keep bringing up the train. What do I say about the train?"

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 12, 2025 12:57 PM (UmB+t)

101 Kindltot, up until five years ago, yes, I was a shit-stirrer. Since then I've mellowed out a lot, and I really hoped morons noticed that. Now I try mainly to make absurd jokes and have fun, rather than start serious rants. I've learned the topics to stay away from, and the futility of arguing in general. So let's be frens.

Posted by: gp Got Sick Bars at July 12, 2025 12:57 PM (TwZXH)

102 Agin, when even the critics of rail expound on how wonderful rail is, are they really 'critics'.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 12, 2025 12:53 PM (/lPRQ)

And when you reach your destination? You need someone to either pick you up, or rent a car...

There is a small commuter airline that runs flights from Merced to Bakersfield... there are always empty seats on it...

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 12, 2025 12:58 PM (mP0Kj)

103 Agin, when even the critics of rail expound on how wonderful rail is, are they really 'critics'.

The main attraction of rail is forcing the serfs to only travel where and when the government wants them to. Everything else is negotiable, especially the actual quality of the experience.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 12, 2025 12:58 PM (QZThv)

104 And the area seems... less than ideal for "low income" housing... but whatever. It's California. The state was always going to screw it's citizens.
Posted by: Martini Farmer

Free Bussing !

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 12, 2025 12:59 PM (/lPRQ)

105 ---
The problem in Pacific Palisades is not that the property owners chose poorly or even that the homes burnt down. The problem is that the state makes it nearly impossible to build.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 12, 2025 12:54 PM (PcTds)

And the biggest problem is that there's nothing that can be done, short of revoking California's status as a state, moving troops in and putting it under martial law for a 10 year period of Reconstruction. The corruption is now too deep for them to ever reform themselves.

Someone mentioned the North Koreans upthread; I'm sure we all pity them, but that nation has gotten to the point that the only way the corrupt government could be undone will require the deaths of most of them. They don't really deserve that, but that's the way it is.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 12, 2025 12:59 PM (uWKK8)

106
Interesting that almost all the big fires are out West... you know, where the Government still owns most of the land? and all those fires start on? oh... Gov owned land?
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And if a fire starts on private land, the owners are told they can't go in to put the fire out.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 12, 2025 12:59 PM (PcTds)

107 Critical Drinker on the new Superman movie. Meh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dtgH9Y4c78&t=633s

Posted by: Archimedes at July 12, 2025 01:00 PM (Riz8t)

108 Hakeem isn't helping himself when he lies to his base and other Dems/lefties. Millions of Americans did not lose healthcare. Millions of illegals did.

You're forgetting all the Americans who are able-bodied and living off welfare who now have to work to keep Medicaid.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 12, 2025 01:00 PM (xTIDn)

109 @55. Do you also agree that we all deserved Biden and Harris in 2020? Posted by Ian S.

Yeah. We got what we deserved. The people in the country let it happen. This is what happens when people become complacent. People won't get out and vote. Or people just don't give a damn. And we all know the Dems cheat with vote counts, but we don't do anything about it.
That election was on us And we paid for it.

Posted by: Case at July 12, 2025 01:00 PM (ilX37)

110 Commies always eventually fight each other. Best part of the Spanish Civil War is when they turned on each other.

Posted by: polynikes at July 12, 2025 01:01 PM (VofaG)

111 That train to nowhere is such an embarrassing and massive disaster, I don't see how Newsom answers for it. He'll just have to change the subject. That's probably the tactic he's working on right now. Can you imagine being in strategy sessions with him? "They're gonna keep bringing up the train. What do I say about the train?"
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 12, 2025 12:57 PM (UmB+t)

I live 7 miles from Merced... the place they want to put the new 'Station'? Crappy part of town... no hotels, no rent a cars, no restaurants, no nice stores... but they will have to clear out a lot of privately owned small shops in the area... things like Car Stereo stores, or small mechanics.

Yup, will have to use eminent domain on them... but have not yet.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 12, 2025 01:01 PM (mP0Kj)

112 > Alan Dershowitz says there is an "Epstein Client List," but that it contains many people falsely accused by Virginia Guiffre, and also a lot of negative information about Guiffre herself.
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He also said Epstein was running an extortion operation on his "clients." Clients that he wanted to invest large sums of money in Epstein's own biz. The purported "list" and photos are likely blackmail... that did and didn't work as he and Maxwell thought.

The amount of actual "action" between the girls and clients might not be all that some think it is.

And if the rumors about Epstein and Maxwell's connections to US and UK intelligence services are true, the whole thing may have been an elaborate, "false front" operation where the monies were actually being used by the CIA and MI-5 to fund... "stuff."

My tinfoil hat is getting a workout lately.

YMMV

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 12, 2025 01:01 PM (Q4IgG)

113 Hakeem isn't helping himself when he lies to his base and other Dems/lefties. Millions of Americans did not lose healthcare. Millions of illegals did.

From the Democrat perspective, the current Americans need to be eliminated and the illegals are the real Americans. So he's not lying exactly, he's telling the truth and hoping nobody notices.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 12, 2025 01:01 PM (QZThv)

114 AOP, about 50 years ago the Kansas legislature declared the Nebraska state bird a public nuisance, and the Nebraska legislature resolved that the Kansas state flower was a noxious weed. During college football season, of course.
Posted by: Nazdar at July 12, 2025 12:53 PM (NcvvS)

Yeah, but that was done is the spirit of fun. The U.S. Fed, by using the power of the purse, could probably force Cali, Oregon, and Washington to start eradicating pot farms, or lose millions (billions?) of Fed agriculture dollars. At the very least, it would force them into court to try to overturn such a ruling.

Mischief is important.

And, as far as I am concerned, it would be perfectly legal for the DEA to air-spray dope plantations with Roundup. Have Apache helicopters escort the spray planes.

I'm not really anti-pot. I am really against criminal gangs and democrats, BIRM.

Let the potheads grow their own. Full stop.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 12, 2025 01:01 PM (f+HOd)

115 The news and info coming out of places like New York City and L.A. is proof the democrat party is supported by stupid, greedy and selfish people who all the while ballyhoo about how smart, generous and selfless they are and why others should be like them.

Posted by: Beware The White Liberal DoGooder at July 12, 2025 01:02 PM (R/m4+)

116 I have always thought these massive public projects are not to build but to steal tax money.

Posted by: Skip at July 12, 2025 01:03 PM (+qU29)

117 "The problem in Pacific Palisades is not that the property owners chose poorly or even that the homes burnt down. The problem is that the state makes it nearly impossible to build."

They chose to live in a place that they knew, or should have known, had a natural tendency to burn, (especially after the insurers told them so!) and had a government that was hostile to their interests.

I bought a house that has lead paint. The value suffered upon the recent discovery of that fact. Such are the risks of home buying.

Posted by: gp Got Sick Bars at July 12, 2025 01:03 PM (TwZXH)

118 You're forgetting all the Americans who are able-bodied and living off welfare who now have to work to keep Medicaid.

Oregon State Media, with a calm, measured headline:

In hunger-gripped Oregon, Trump’s food stamp cuts could overwhelm its welfare system

And the key bit:

Each month, one in six people in Oregon receive help from the government-run Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program — more commonly known as SNAP or food stamps — to put food on their table.

About half of them are seniors, people with disabilities and children, according to the Oregon Department of Human Services.


And about half of them are not.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 12, 2025 01:03 PM (xTIDn)

119 And the biggest problem is that there's nothing that can be done, short of revoking California's status as a state, moving troops in and putting it under martial law for a 10 year period of Reconstruction. The corruption is now too deep for them to ever reform themselves
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Maybe...hope springs eternal...

Someone estimated that California's population is 40% illegal. If they are removed, the voters might have a chance.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 12, 2025 01:03 PM (PcTds)

Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 12, 2025 01:04 PM (xTIDn)

121 Generally, I think There may be people who argue vociferously on here to get a rise out of people , but I think that it has more to do folks having strong opinions on political things combined with some having problems that they may or may not address and they're burdened by them ( illness, pain, not having personal financial resources , family issues, loneliness, etc. That is combined with that there are people they don't like whose personal history they can't completely know and who they can't see and talk to in person, Therefore our irritation level goes up quickly and then we get people basically on the same side of the political spectrum acting for lack of a better term- bitchy- and using - as one internet commentator called it " more projection that a 12 screen movie theatre" ) which is true of both women and men. We can all act that way on here and the lack of personal contact complicates things.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 12, 2025 01:04 PM (2GCMq)

122 99 >>Some states are serious about their football.

:-) Don't remember which one started it, but the other was definitely retaliating!

Posted by: Nazdar at July 12, 2025 01:04 PM (NcvvS)

123 @116 Cali is definitely proving that hypothesis with the high speed rail project

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 12, 2025 01:05 PM (JrdHf)

124 >>Alberta Oil Peon at July 12, 2025 11:56 AM (f+HOd)

The cultivation and/or sale of marijuana is prohibited by Federal law.
Posted by: lurk

Supremacy Clause only means that States cannot have laws that compliment Federal Law.
Direct conflict is A-OK.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 12, 2025 01:06 PM (/lPRQ)

125 121 Fen, if you think I get out of line, tell me.

Posted by: gp Got Sick Bars at July 12, 2025 01:06 PM (TwZXH)

126 I bought a house that has lead paint. The value suffered upon the recent discovery of that fact. Such are the risks of home buying.

Suppose you're someone who bought a house in PP during Reagan's tenure. It's home, and you've always voted for the most conservative candidate you could, so you aren't responsible for what's happened to CA in the meantime.

It sucks, but your only real choice is to move to another state.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 12, 2025 01:06 PM (Riz8t)

127 Do you also agree that we all deserved Biden and Harris in 2020?

Since there is good reason to suspect fraud, no. We (collectively) asked for and deserved Obama.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 12, 2025 01:07 PM (cFB3U)

128 I bought a house that has lead paint. The value suffered upon the recent discovery of that fact. Such are the risks of home buying.
Posted by: gp Got Sick Bars at July 12, 2025 01:03 PM (TwZXH)

OTOH, that lead paint has probably kept its good looks, and does not need to be redone, and as long as you are not planning to resell in the near future, the loss in valuation is merely notional.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 12, 2025 01:07 PM (f+HOd)

129
In some ways, this is the story of Trump. The rest of the cowardly GOP marched in lockstep and was afraid to say anything about illegal immigration, for fear of being called racist. Trump, the radical in this case, stepped forward. You'd think people would learn from his example.
Posted by: Archimedes


They learned. They don't want to be called names and shot at.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 12, 2025 01:08 PM (63Dwl)

130 114 >> Yeah, but that was done is the spirit of fun.

I'm not really anti-pot. I am really against criminal gangs and democrats, BIRM.

Completely agree, on all points.

Posted by: Nazdar at July 12, 2025 01:09 PM (NcvvS)

131 Time for me to get on with my day.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 12, 2025 01:09 PM (f+HOd)

132 Yep. All of a sudden Brad and Meghan are out on the sidewalk with the stroller and the labra doodle and the hoods on the corner are all like Damn! We caint sell nuthin' to dem!
Posted by: Gentrification

Who do you think is out buying bars? Brad and Meghan.

Posted by: Dark Litigator at July 12, 2025 01:09 PM (KAi1n)

133 Yup, will have to use eminent domain on them... but have not yet.

The hilarious part is that to get to San Francisco, California HSR is going to have to build a line through the wealthiest suburbs in the United States. (Like the town JB Pritzker grew up in, where houses average $7.9 million.)

They have no idea how they will overcome the wealthy political opposition in these towns - the idea is that they will build the rest of the system first, without knowing how they will get to SF.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 12, 2025 01:09 PM (xTIDn)

134 Posted by: gp Got Sick Bars at July 12, 2025 01:06 PM (TwZXH)

thanks I'd probably tell you. I haven't had a problem telling some others . Life is complicated and most of us have challenges of one sort or another- some greater some less -and since we could all- except for trolls -be brothers and sisters - it's probably good for all of us- to think a little more before we hit the keys.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 12, 2025 01:10 PM (2GCMq)

135 Trump should have USDA declare cannabis (other than cordage hemp) to be a noxious weed, and require that all State agriculture agencies to eradicate any stands of it found on public or private land, or lose all Fed agriculture benefits.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

You trying to toss the 2026 mid-terms?

Posted by: Dark Litigator at July 12, 2025 01:10 PM (KAi1n)

136 I find it so funny that people in Big Tech, who are always babbling on about innovation and destroying the old ways, also loooooooooove the 19th century tech of trains.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 12, 2025 01:11 PM (ImXfC)

137 Have a great day AOP!

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 12, 2025 01:11 PM (PcTds)

138 Dems advocating for HSR and Putin in Ukraine are both examples of things they wish they could go back in time to undo.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 12, 2025 01:11 PM (Riz8t)

139 "It's home, and you've always voted for the most conservative candidate you could, so you aren't responsible for what's happened to CA in the meantime."

There are many ways a neighborhood can go bad over a series of decades, and the asset owner really ought to watch that and respond accordingly. If you get a hint that your hood is turning ghetto, nobody will sympathize with you in ten years if you don't move out.

Posted by: gp Got Sick Bars at July 12, 2025 01:11 PM (TwZXH)

140
And if the rumors about Epstein and Maxwell's connections to US and UK intelligence services are true, the whole thing may have been an elaborate, "false front" operation where the monies were actually being used by the CIA and MI-5 to fund... "stuff."

My tinfoil hat is getting a workout lately.

YMMV
Posted by: Martini Farmer


There was a guy on Coast to Coast AM last night who posited that Maxwell was running the show.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 12, 2025 01:12 PM (63Dwl)

141 I bought a house that has lead paint. The value suffered upon the recent discovery of that fact. Such are the risks of home buying.

1) Make sure everyone knows the house has lead paint.
2) Apply for federal and state grants to mitigate the environmental disaster lead paint causes, especially to woman and chirruns of color, who like eating the stuff.
3) Once your grants are approved, burn the house down for the insurance payoff and move.

Posted by: Lead Paint And You at July 12, 2025 01:12 PM (R/m4+)

142
Yup, will have to use eminent domain on them... but have not yet.
Posted by: Romeo13

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Your local state rep must have been one of the ones who traded favors in Sacramento to get a "Station"? in the supposed nonstop lightning bolt from LA to San Fran then? In the bustling hub of Merced (no offense intended, just, it's funny).

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 12, 2025 01:12 PM (UmB+t)

143 some ways, this is the story of Trump. The rest of the cowardly GOP marched in lockstep and was afraid to say anything about illegal immigration, for fear of being called racist. Trump, the radical in this case, stepped forward. You'd think people would learn from his example.
Posted by: Archimedes

You know Trump said Romney's self deportation policy was cruel . Trump is all over the place depending on the situation. I'm just happy Trump 2.0 has been kicking ass and frustrated that some conservatives are stopping the momentum by being over the top about the BBB and Epstein.

Posted by: polynikes at July 12, 2025 01:13 PM (VofaG)

144 I love you Fen. You've been a positive influence in me in ways that you'll never know! Please believe me when I say that I'm not trying to make enemies any more.

Posted by: gp Got Sick Bars at July 12, 2025 01:13 PM (TwZXH)

145 The religion of peace is at it again. A father in Pakistan shot his 16 yr old daughter because she wouldn't delete her Tik Tok account. I'm sure Mohammed had a lot to say about TikTok

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 12, 2025 01:14 PM (JrdHf)

146 There are many ways a neighborhood can go bad over a series of decades, and the asset owner really ought to watch that and respond accordingly. If you get a hint that your hood is turning ghetto, nobody will sympathize with you in ten years if you don't move out.
Posted by: gp Got Sick Bars at July 12, 2025 01:11 PM (TwZXH)

100%

A conservative in 2005 California? I have some sympathy because your home is starting to go to shit due to no fault of your own.

In 2025 Cali? Dude, you made the choice to live there for the past 20 years as it’s gone full 3rd World. I have no sympathy anymore.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 12, 2025 01:14 PM (ImXfC)

147 Weed is definitely a gateway drug.

Posted by: polynikes at July 12, 2025 01:15 PM (VofaG)

148
I find it so funny that people in Big Tech, who are always babbling on about innovation and destroying the old ways, also loooooooooove the 19th century tech of trains.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald

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I believe that at the time that train to nowhere was conceived, air travel between LA and San Fran was a cheaper and faster alternative than the train could ever be.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 12, 2025 01:15 PM (UmB+t)

149 Posted by: gp Got Sick Bars at July 12, 2025 01:13 PM (TwZXH

Thanks. That's very kind of you and I appreciate that. I don't think anyone is here to make enemies of other ASHQ posters. I don't think that of you. I appreciate your contributions and I pray for the blessings on all here.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at July 12, 2025 01:18 PM (2GCMq)

150 You know Trump said Romney's self deportation policy was cruel .

Huh. I had forgotten that.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 12, 2025 01:20 PM (Riz8t)

151 If you get a hint that your hood is turning ghetto, nobody will sympathize with you in ten years if you don't move out.
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I can think of several reasons why one might not be able to move out, therefore I will have sympathy.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 12, 2025 01:21 PM (PcTds)

152 California is beautiful. I can also understand not wanting to give up or if you have family there.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 12, 2025 01:21 PM (Yamow)

153 I'm glad we didn't move to Southern CA when my father was offered a relocation when the Lockheed operation closed down in Louisiana. He went there on a 3 months temp assignment and when it was over he turned down the job offer. He later told me he didn't want to raise his kids in CA. Did I mention this was late the late 60's and my Dad hated hippies?

Posted by: polynikes at July 12, 2025 01:22 PM (VofaG)

154 Weed is definitely a gateway drug.
Posted by: polynikes

After alcohol. No one tries weed before alcohol (well, I've never met anyone who went that path). BTW, weed is nothing like other drugs, so it's not like going from beer to bourbon. It's not like LSD, heroin, meth, etc. are simply stronger versions of weed.

Posted by: Dark Litigator at July 12, 2025 01:22 PM (KAi1n)

155 Our daughter and family fled CA about this time last year. The cost of living was killing them. The 'hood they were in wasn't bad, but it was going downhill pretty fast. Crime was on the rise, transients and the mentally ill were beginning to roam about and the p3d0 threat was getting out of hand. And the cops, who's station was literally down the street, did nothing as was the city's instructions.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 12, 2025 01:24 PM (Q4IgG)

156 The Bernie Sanders, Liz Warren, AOC, etc. models.

Wealthy, but certainly not billionaires (at the present).

Taggers on, actually lazy about collecting their millions. Look behind them; others are always doing the heavy lifting.

Like DEI college boards, they all have that little "hook" that gives them a foot up, a 2nd glance.

They love the drama & put roadblocks in front of those they're concerned may be better.
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Reportedly, Glass House Farms, a major part of Glass House Brands Inc., has described itself as one of the "fastest-growing vertically integrated cannabis companies in the U.S." Its website states, in part, Today we’re the largest cannabis flower brand in the largest market in the world.

Federally, there's the USDOL Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) & Migrant and Seasonal Agricultural Worker Protection Act

And California -
Director Industrial Relations: Labor Commissioner's Office - FAQ’S Regarding Cannabis Cultivation In California

Department of Cannabis, California

CalOSH & more.

So it looks like weak 'rules' clearly being skirted & also totally ignoring child labor and/or child safety.

But there's the catch - what covers children?

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 12, 2025 01:24 PM (NFX2v)

157 That lead paint will be the last thing to kill you is my guess

Posted by: Skip at July 12, 2025 01:25 PM (+qU29)

158 I bought a house that has lead paint. The value suffered upon the recent discovery of that fact. Such are the risks of home buying.
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I didn't think lead paint was a big deal anymore. IIRC, most environmental agencies recognize now that the most effective mitigation for lead paint was to paint over it. Stripping and/or demoing the structure spreads much more lead into the environment.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at July 12, 2025 01:25 PM (lPeS+)

159 I had a heavy workout session yesterday evening (beginning with dumbbell presses 4 sets of 10x50lbs), sore as hell all night, and I really wish I had had some gummies.

Posted by: Dark Litigator at July 12, 2025 01:26 PM (KAi1n)

160 Now do asbestos.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 12, 2025 01:27 PM (Yamow)

161 Sometimes I think Medicaid is the EBT of foodstamps. We would save a ton of money if we went to Free Clinics and/or large or even complete write-offs of doctor's charity work but, then you wont have poverty with dignity. Going to the Free Clinic, just as paying with foodstamps, tells everyone that you are on the dole.

Posted by: Tilapia at July 12, 2025 01:27 PM (jc0TO)

162 *off sock from days ago*

Posted by: toby928 at July 12, 2025 01:28 PM (jc0TO)

163 Lead paint? Don't you mean "radiation-proof protective coating"?

Posted by: PabloD at July 12, 2025 01:28 PM (oyCAU)

164 California's cannabis growing regulations are mind-bogglingly complex and super taxed (I had a case for awhile involving a commercial grow operation). It's no wonder there are so many illegal grows. The problem isn't pot, it's government overregulation and corruption.

Posted by: Dark Litigator at July 12, 2025 01:29 PM (KAi1n)

165 Posted by: Dark Litigator at July 12, 2025 01:22 PM (KAi1n)

Same defense I always hear. There is not anyone who does drugs that hadn't done weed first . They weren't trying to get a better high from alcohol whose 'high' is nothing like recreational drugs. And I have friends and acquaintances who became potheads and went on to harder drugs who rarely touched alcohol.

Alcohol had its own separate issues.

Posted by: polynikes at July 12, 2025 01:30 PM (VofaG)

166 Not far from me a small town had a asbestos factory a long time ago. Many houses in the area had asbestos siding, shingles and seen lots of pipes wrapped in public buildings including schools. Another thing I would guess would be the last thing to kill you.

Posted by: Skip at July 12, 2025 01:30 PM (+qU29)

167
OT, Rubio still has some house cleaning to do.

https://x.com/John_Hudson/status/
1943757323702612482

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 12, 2025 01:32 PM (UmB+t)

168 This is from a guy who might have 500 pounds of lead piles around the house.

Posted by: Skip at July 12, 2025 01:32 PM (+qU29)

169 California is beautiful. I can also understand not wanting to give up or if you have family there.[/i

Parts of it certainly are and I still miss them since leaving in '93. And some people really may not have a viable alternative to staying. For the rest, we make the best choices we can and live with it.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 12, 2025 01:32 PM (1C8dh)

170 Now do asbestos.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 12, 2025 01:27 PM (Yamow)

I handled so many asbestos claims where for example, the former shipyard worker who is 83 years old is now having breathing issues. Claims xray markers show signs of asbestos exposure . Pay me.

Posted by: polynikes at July 12, 2025 01:34 PM (VofaG)

171 The problem isn't pot, it's government overregulation and corruption.
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This is a sentence that is applicable to almost every situation: the problem isn't ___, it's government over regulation and corruption.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 12, 2025 01:34 PM (PcTds)

172 I think one of the reasons used to justify pot legalizations is the idea that weed isn't itself some kind of fish weir that funnels you to more dangerous drugs but that buying illegal dope puts you in contact with people who both use and sell the more dangerous stuff. I mean, you don't run in heroin dealers at the liquor store.

I put forward no opinion as to whether this is true or not but it is at least a colorable argument.

Posted by: toby928 at July 12, 2025 01:35 PM (jc0TO)

173 "who rarely touched alcohol"

"Rarely" is an integer > 0. You only have to go through that gate once. In an hour I'm going to a celebration of life of one of my best friends who died in the ICU in May. Was it the pot? No. The acid? No. The tobacco? (That probably caused his heart attack.) The alcohol? Absolutely. You can only clean your liver with ethanol so many times before it's all scar tissue. Dying of cirrhosis is awful.

Alcohol HAS its own separate issues, not "had". And you know what? I much, much prefer weed to alcohol. So I'm going to stand up for me.

Posted by: Dark Litigator at July 12, 2025 01:35 PM (KAi1n)

174 Massachusetts put in a rule about including low income housing with new development. For luxury condos and small town neighborhoods, this was like adding a dog turd to vanilla ice cream. Eventually these dog turds rendered quaint little villages across the Commonwealth into Dog Turdtowns.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at July 12, 2025 01:35 PM (wBaIH)

175 Got some Alka Seltzer Gold or baking soda? Works best near the time of exercise, but still might help some. Quarter to half teaspoon baking soda.

Posted by: KT at July 12, 2025 01:37 PM (xekrU)

176 In short, illegal weed makes it more likely that you will fall in with a bad crowd, as my parent used to say.

Posted by: toby928 at July 12, 2025 01:37 PM (jc0TO)

177 NYC has around 8 million people. This Democrat run off they just had less than a half million voted. If people don't care they don't care.

Posted by: Case at July 12, 2025 01:37 PM (ilX37)

178 Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at July 12, 2025 01:35 PM

Truth.

*waves from the People's Democratic Republic of MA*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 12, 2025 01:38 PM (M6DsK)

179 But there's the catch - what covers children?
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 12, 2025 01:24 PM (NFX2v)


At a guess, Migrant and Seasonal Protection Act (related to FLSA in CFR 29) and probably hazardous orders under Child Labor (agrigulutre) Bulletin 102. I would have to know what jobs the kids were doing, and their ages to figure out what they were violating, but during the investigation by the USDOL the goods can be declared a "hot good" as possibly being "tainted by child labor" and held from interstate commerce, and possibly be held from banking.
If the USDOL and ICE are willing to turn the screws like Obama's did, then there it is going to be rougher than a mile of bad road.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 12, 2025 01:38 PM (D7oie)

180 A shipyard worker was taking the blankets of asbestos, breaking them up and wrapping pipes and such or taking those wrappings off . Either way sending clouds of asbestos into the air to breath.

Posted by: Skip at July 12, 2025 01:38 PM (+qU29)

181 NYC has around 8 million people. This Democrat run off they just had less than a half million voted. If people don't care they don't care.
Posted by: Case at July 12, 2025 01:37 PM


Isn't it true that between felony convictions and not being citizens, half the populous can't vote anyway? Or is that just blackguarding New Yorkers?

Posted by: toby928 at July 12, 2025 01:38 PM (jc0TO)

182 Marxists love to bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator, except themselves the true Marxists

Posted by: Skip at July 12, 2025 01:39 PM (+qU29)

183 All modern-day commuter rail projects are boondoggles. Anyone with evidence to the contrary please step to the front of the line to present it.

Posted by: Welfare for the rich and connected at July 12, 2025 01:39 PM (TbWk/)

184 Alcohol HAS its own separate issues, not "had". And you know what? I much, much prefer weed to alcohol. So I'm going to stand up for me.
Posted by: Dark Litigator at July 12, 2025 01:35 PM (KAi1n)

It's a gateway drug. Alcohol is not. Enjoy being a pothead. I am happy it hasn't led you to harder stuff ( I assume) and I do like your new nic though.

Posted by: polynikes at July 12, 2025 01:40 PM (VofaG)

185 174 Massachusetts put in a rule about including low income housing with new development. For luxury condos and small town neighborhoods, this was like adding a dog turd to vanilla ice cream. Eventually these dog turds rendered quaint little villages across the Commonwealth into Dog Turdtowns.

Here in deep blue NoVa (Fairfax Co.) the turd is escorted in by the school board. They make a fetish out of destroying every good school to achieve some dubious level of racial and/or economic diversity. When the schools go, the local housing eventually follows. It doesn't matter if you paid a 50% premium to be in a good school, they'll destroy it because they can.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 12, 2025 01:40 PM (Riz8t)

186 Marxists love to bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator, except themselves the true Marxists
Posted by: Skip at July 12, 2025 01:39 PM


A truism, Levelers only level down.

Posted by: toby928 at July 12, 2025 01:40 PM (jc0TO)

187 Remember the Twilight Zone movie, too, where two children died while actually working.

I saw no nationwide rush to ensure children labor protections.

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 12, 2025 01:40 PM (NFX2v)

188 On the whole, child labor is directed (at least in Oregon, at least 10 years ago) mostly by the Feds, and they only get involved when it suits them.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 12, 2025 01:41 PM (D7oie)

189 I do like your new nic though.

What was it?

Posted by: Archimedes at July 12, 2025 01:41 PM (Riz8t)

190 I181 NYC has around 8 million people. This Democrat run off they just had less than a half million voted. If people don't care they don't care.
Posted by: Case at July 12, 2025 01:37 PM

Isn't it true that between felony convictions and not being citizens, half the populous can't vote anyway? Or is that just blackguarding New Yorkers?
Posted by: toby928 at July 12, 2025 01:38 PM (jc0TO)
I believe you got it right.

Posted by: Eromero at July 12, 2025 01:43 PM (UYYJi)

191 Per the webz

As of 2023, approximately 36% of New York City residents were foreign-born, which is one of the highest rates among U.S. cities.
This percentage has remained relatively stable over the years, with data indicating that the foreign-born population in New York City was 3.07 million in 2013, representing 36% of the city's population

Posted by: toby928 at July 12, 2025 01:44 PM (jc0TO)

192 Fun discussion everyone.

Peace

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at July 12, 2025 01:46 PM (PcTds)

193 Reefer is a gateway to rape and manic ragtime piano playing. Beware!

Posted by: Madness! MADNESS!!! at July 12, 2025 01:46 PM (TbWk/)

194 Any fair and honest criticism of pot is always reefer madness?

Strange.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 12, 2025 01:48 PM (Yamow)

195 Any fair and honest criticism of pot is always reefer madness?

Strange.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 12, 2025 01:48 PM



and yet peyote always gets a bye.

Posted by: toby928 at July 12, 2025 01:49 PM (jc0TO)

196 I don't know enough about peyote to know one way or another. Discussions usually do not get charged when it is brought up though.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 12, 2025 01:51 PM (Yamow)

197 I don't know enough about peyote to know one way or another. Discussions usually do not get charged when it is brought up though.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 12, 2025 01:51 PM


I think most people have limited exposure to psychedelics.

Posted by: toby928 at July 12, 2025 01:52 PM (jc0TO)

198 I think most people have limited exposure to psychedelics.
Posted by: toby928 at July 12, 2025 01:52 PM (jc0TO)

Fair. Hearing people describe acid for example, I always thought 'and this is fun?'

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 12, 2025 01:55 PM (Yamow)

199 196 I don't know enough about peyote to know one way or another. Discussions usually do not get charged when it is brought up though.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 12, 2025 01:51 PM (Yamow)
I was prescribed a synthetic peyote when my glands were wrecked be radiation.

Posted by: Eromero at July 12, 2025 01:56 PM (UYYJi)

200 and this is fun?


*shifty eyes*

Posted by: toby928 at July 12, 2025 01:58 PM (jc0TO)

201 Lol people who live in Blue States

Live longer
Have higher incomes
Are better educated
Have lower crime rates

Why is that ?

Why is it that the population of most cities is increasing while rural areas are losing their populations (especially young people who have more of a chance to relocate) ?

Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at July 12, 2025 02:01 PM (cxVab)

202 most people

Posted by: JackStraw at July 12, 2025 02:05 PM (viF8m)

203 Shut up, Dunce.

Posted by: toby928 at July 12, 2025 02:06 PM (jc0TO)

204 In the meantime, let's check in on Canada.

https://tinyurl.com/595r9rc5

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 12, 2025 02:51 PM (/U5Yz)

205 Trump should have USDA declare cannabis (other than cordage hemp) to be a noxious weed, and require that all State agriculture agencies to eradicate any stands of it found on public or private land, or lose all Fed agriculture benefits.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 12, 2025 11:56 AM (f+HOd)


Marijuana is still an illegal drug per the Federal government. We've been warned not to smoke it, or invest in cannabis farming/dispensaries. It's a good way to lose your job if you work or contract for Uncle Sam.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at July 12, 2025 03:01 PM (pJWtt)

206 Managed to sleep through the whole thread. Dadgum.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 12, 2025 03:07 PM (zH8im)

207 199. I was prescribed a synthetic peyote when my glands were wrecked be radiation.
Posted by: Eromero

I use lemon. Drops, lots of lemon in water, lemonade

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 12, 2025 03:15 PM (NFX2v)

208 PET NOOD IS UP

Posted by: Skip at July 12, 2025 03:23 PM (+qU29)

209 188 On the whole, child labor is directed (at least in Oregon, at least 10 years ago) mostly by the Feds, and they only get involved when it suits them.
Posted by: Kindltot

Yes, if a State Plan State such as Oregon takes it upon itself to assume labor (environmental, whatever regulations), they must be at least as comprehensive as federal regulations.

But the federal regulations are lacking - children are not employees or even independent contractors - so Labor regulations cannot 'capture' and protect them.

It's up to state-level agencies, Child Protective Services (CPS) or Department of Children and Family Services (DCFS), to investigate reports of child abuse and neglect and provide services to families.

And so in this instance, the corporation plays against the government. Close the gaps or go away.

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 12, 2025 03:25 PM (NFX2v)

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