Axios Claims Dan Bongino and Kash Patel Are "Furious" About Pam Bondi's Mishandling of the Epstein Case; Bongino Supposedly Will Quit Unless Bondi Is Fired

Pam Bondi, you may remember, said that the "Epstein client list" was on her desk waiting to be released. She also summoned a bunch of conservative influencers to the DOJ to give them supposedly new information from the Epstein files, but all of this information turned out to be old news. The influencers had their time wasted and Bondi was embarrassed.

Megan Kelly has been speculating that the countdown clock for Bondi's firing or forced resignation is coming.

Now Axios, quoted here by PJ Media's Matt Margolis, reports that Bongino took today off in protest of Bondi and supposedly might not be coming back.

FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino reportedly had a heated confrontation with Attorney General Pam Bondi over the Jeffrey Epstein files, and the fallout has been swift and telling. According to sources, Bongino was so frustrated with Bondi's lack of transparency that he took the day off work on Friday, leading some to speculate that he might have quit altogether.
"He ain't coming back," a source close to Bongino told Axios.
According to the story, both Bongino and FBI Director Kash Patel are "furious" with Bondi over the blowback her handling of the Epstein files has caused them. And who can blame them?

Inside the room: During the meeting, Bongino was confronted about a NewsNation article that said he and Patel wanted more information released about Epstein earlier, but were held back. Bongino denied leaking that idea.
"Pam said her piece. Dan said his piece. It didn't end on friendly terms," said one person briefed on the heated discussion. Bongino left angry, the source said.
"The fact is, Dan was for releasing the information with the video and had no problem until he got heat online," a senior administration official told Axios.
"Bongino found the video with the missing minute. He vouched for it after a 'thorough review,' he said, and he thought this would end the matter. When that didn't work, he lost his mind and ran out of D.C."
Said a pro-Bongino source: "Dan is not the bad guy here. He shouldn't take the fall."
Here's where things get interesting: Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche felt the need to defend the memo, insisting that all leadership signed off on it.

I don't know what's going on here. I trust Bongino and Kash Patel, and I trust Trump. So I don't have strong suspicions that they're covering anything up.

It could just be that this story simply does not end the way many people expected it to end. I know people have suspicions, but suspicions are not facts, and it's wrong to take one's suspicions as being true.

Posted by: Ace at 05:17 PM

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Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 11, 2025 05:18 PM (Wnv9h)

2 The Others have been summoned.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 11, 2025 05:18 PM (Wnv9h)

3 We need Bongino where he is, but the guy he picked to hold his place on Rumble is freaking awful.

Posted by: Stu Podaso at July 11, 2025 05:19 PM (M0V4/)

4 Wait, since when is Axios a reliable news source? Are we all taking crazy pills?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 05:19 PM (ZOv7s)

5 I'll wait 72 hours so I can never be wrong.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 11, 2025 05:19 PM (mlg/3)

6 If I blame anyone in this Epstein mess I'd blame Bondi. If there were no Epstein files, don't tell the public that they're on your "desk" waiting to be reviewed. Either that, or after the review is done, say you couldn't find any crimes that could still be prosecuted. Going from "we're reviewing and redacted a bunch of stuff, be patient" straight to "oops, nothing to see here" just brings out the conspiracy theorists.

Posted by: Octochicken at July 11, 2025 05:20 PM (oCS0o)

7 Basically this entire event cycle is being fed by Axios and its anonymous sources.

But I guess it's completely true.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 05:20 PM (ZOv7s)

8 Axios? And their "sources"?

I'm supposed to believe a report from them?

Posted by: Raoul Ortega at July 11, 2025 05:20 PM (TizQb)

9 My first clue about Bondi was her hatred of the 2A.
I wanted Gaetz or Paxton, I got DOJ Barbie.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 11, 2025 05:21 PM (/U5Yz)

10 What a s**t show

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2025 05:21 PM (VE6XX)

11 If it's being reported on Axios, it's probably bullshit.

Posted by: huerfano at July 11, 2025 05:21 PM (n2swS)

12 4 Wait, since when is Axios a reliable news source? Are we all taking crazy pills?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 05:19 PM (ZOv7s)

Since the DOJ gave them the memo first?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 11, 2025 05:22 PM (/U5Yz)

13
Why do you trust anyone in government? Or media? Or both, in thus particular case?

Its wrong to take your hopes and wishes to be true.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 11, 2025 05:22 PM (BI5O2)

14 On the one hand, I don't trust anything that shows up on Axios. On the other, there does seem to be a lot of chatter about this going on today.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 11, 2025 05:22 PM (uWKK8)

15 Since the DOJ gave them the memo first?
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 11, 2025 05:22 PM (/U5Yz)
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The unsigned, undated memo I could have written out at home? Oooh, letterhead! Must be authentic!

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 05:22 PM (ZOv7s)

16 But I would have no issue replacing Pam Bondi with Harmeet Dhillon.

Posted by: Stu Podaso at July 11, 2025 05:22 PM (M0V4/)

17 They are already denying it. Just another attempt by the Left and NeverTrumpers to cause chaos. But will say if true my view of Bongino would be very negative

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2025 05:22 PM (VofaG)

18 11 If it's being reported on Axios, it's probably bullshit.
Posted by: huerfano at July 11, 2025 05:21 PM (n2swS)

Normally I'd agree with you but they did put out the story first that Bondi wasn't gonna release any files...

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2025 05:22 PM (VE6XX)

19 For all we know, Bongino may have been planning to take the day off. Or something happened outside of work that needed to be taken care of.

A LOT of the stories that are attributed to "Source" are nothing more than the gossip you see in adolescent schoolgirls.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Plucky Comic Relief, AoS Ladies Brigade - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at July 11, 2025 05:23 PM (SRRAx)

20 As has been noted, this Epstein coverup is not going to be tolerated.

So unless the administration wants to tank itself over protecting an international pedophile racket, it better get it's mind straight.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 11, 2025 05:23 PM (XV/Pl)

21 Didn't Trump shitcan a ton of DoJ employees who no doubt could fake that memo?

But THIS TIME Axios is telling the truth.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 05:23 PM (ZOv7s)

22 16 But I would have no issue replacing Pam Bondi with Harmeet Dhillon.
Posted by: Stu Podaso a

*perks up

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 11, 2025 05:23 PM (/U5Yz)

23 Are we really to believe they had no idea who was going to Lollipop Island? Really?

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at July 11, 2025 05:24 PM (w0zR+)

24 At this point I want them all to stay where they are.. The Dems want chaos .....Don't give it to them...

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2025 05:25 PM (VE6XX)

25 I agree with Mickey Kaus - between this and Trump saying "maybe we won't deport the illegals who work on farms and in hotels":

Weird. He had all the makings of a triumphant surge--peace, prosperity, a big legislative victory--and threw it all away.

Hopefully Trump turns this around.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 11, 2025 05:25 PM (xTIDn)

26 This is just another part of Con. Inc. trying to stir the pot for fun and clicks.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 05:25 PM (ZOv7s)

27 9 My first clue about Bondi was her hatred of the 2A.
I wanted Gaetz or Paxton, I got DOJ Barbie.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 11, 2025 05:21 PM (/U5Yz)

Gaetz was always a joke nomination, that was just about giving both him and Mike Johnson a face saving way to get him out of the house before that lurid sex report got released.
Paxton has a very good chance of replacing Cornyn, which will be a great spot for him, but there is no way he would ever get past any kind of official confirmation hearings. He's always got to win elected seats, he'll never be appointed to anything.

But there's plenty of good candidates out there who could replace Bondi.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 11, 2025 05:25 PM (uWKK8)

28 Regardless of any truths we do not know, we certainly know this -- Bondi handled this very poorly.
I think she must be very stupid and does not understand that when she talks, there are minds on the other end of those words who will interpret those words and draw conclusions.

Lawyers are supposed to be good at speaking and understanding implications of sentences. Not her.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 11, 2025 05:25 PM (8LN1t)

29 Julie Kelly has reported on this. She's more reliable than Axios. But who knows.

Posted by: Frasier Crane at July 11, 2025 05:25 PM (bNf8H)

30 I wonder if the temptation for the current administration to use the Epstein list against its enemies is greater than its desire for justice.

Posted by: Open Channel D at July 11, 2025 05:26 PM (0ZQDV)

31 Here's some squirrel:

Lucien Wolfe@nuclear_zero1 . 31m Replying to @MaryMargOlohan

They won’t say it publicly, but this isn’t about Bongino vs. Bondi.
It’s about who controls the evidence.

Back in 2018, Bondi was handed sealed access to Epstein’s metadata archives, including names, encrypted comms, and—most crucially—video footage.
Not the client list. The kompromat.

Bongino found out she wasn’t just withholding names—
She was protecting assets. Assets that tie into foreign intel networks and a very specific island’s blackmail hub.

That’s why he drew the line:
Not because she’s “incompetent,”
But because she’s untouchable.

DOJ wanted her in. Trump didn’t block it. Bongino got the message.
This isn’t a feud. It’s a silent war.
Part 2: Why was Pam Bondi *photographed entering Langley on a Sunday?

Who’s she really working for?

*grok says there is no evidence that Bondi was at Langley

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 11, 2025 05:26 PM (Ri+6K)

32 20 had no issue continuing the Zelensky funding, so it seems to not hold firm

Posted by: night lifted at July 11, 2025 05:26 PM (/YboP)

33 If it's being reported on Axios, it's probably bullshit.

Posted by: huerfano

I'd like to hear the source of this bullshit.

Posted by: Shitting Bull at July 11, 2025 05:26 PM (4DY5T)

34 'd like to hear the source of this bullshit.
Posted by: Shitting Bull at July 11, 2025 05:26 PM (4DY5T)
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An anonymous unsigned memo.

Which anyone could do.

And it dropped just as Trump had a glorious week.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 05:27 PM (ZOv7s)

35 One things for sure... This is not going away soon...

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2025 05:27 PM (VE6XX)

36 "I'll wait 72 hours so I can never be wrong.
Posted by: weft cut-loop"

If being wrong is wrong, then I don't want to be right.

Posted by: eleven at July 11, 2025 05:27 PM (fV+MH)

37 Remember, President Trump plays the news organizations like a fiddle. Every single week, something happens and the press is on it like a cat going after a laser pointer. With similar results.

By the way, what's the latest on the BBB? Did it pass and the world end? How about those boots on the ground in Iran after we hit Iran with multiple bunker busters. Deportations, those stop yet?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 11, 2025 05:28 PM (tT6L1)

38 One things for sure... This is not going away soon...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2025 05:27 PM (VE6XX)
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It will be forgotten in a week.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 05:28 PM (ZOv7s)

39 36 "I'll wait 72 hours so I can never be wrong.
Posted by: weft cut-loop"

72 hours ? The fire in my hair will burn out by then...

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2025 05:28 PM (VE6XX)

40 It will be forgotten in a week.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 05:28 PM (ZOv7s

If only...

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2025 05:29 PM (VE6XX)

41 Annnnnd Axios is one of many media outlets who would love to crow about any success in creating fissures within the Trump administration.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 11, 2025 05:29 PM (36PRH)

42 72 hours ? The fire in my hair will burn out by then...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2025 05:28 PM (VE6XX)

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Dash my lace wigs might be able to help you out.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 11, 2025 05:29 PM (tT6L1)

43 41 Annnnnd Axios is one of many media outlets who would love to crow about any success in creating fissures within the Trump administration.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 11, 2025 05:29 PM (36PRH)

This...

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2025 05:29 PM (VE6XX)

44 If only...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2025 05:29 PM (VE6XX)
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Well, WW III lasted what 12 days?

This is much less important.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 05:30 PM (ZOv7s)

45 One things for sure, a hot dog is not a sandwich.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 11, 2025 05:30 PM (36PRH)

46 I don't know what's going on here. I trust Bongino and Kash Patel, and I trust Trump. So I don't have strong suspicions that they're covering anything up.

I know everyone wants to root for the home team, but I marvel at conservatives simply poo-pooing even the possibility that their own government is withholding the truth from them at this point.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 11, 2025 05:30 PM (cBvpj)

47 I will point out something that was on X today that was annoying - the Administration made a big deal about none of the Iranian missiles striking the American base at Qatar a couple weeks ago, so there was no need to respond to anything. So this week the Iranians started passing around satellite photos of the base, saying "ha ha ha look at this radar dome in the middle of their base that we blew up!!" And i and many said "oh the Iranians are just photoshopping that and lying. Because our military wouldn't lie about that."

until today, when the Administration said "ok we didn't really say nothing hit (YES YOU DID!!!) we said the bases operability was never threatened." Why oh why did you have to lie about something so stupid and obvious???

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 11, 2025 05:31 PM (uWKK8)

48 But a thumb is a finger.

Posted by: eleven at July 11, 2025 05:31 PM (fV+MH)

49 I know everyone wants to root for the home team, but I marvel at conservatives simply poo-pooing even the possibility that their own government is withholding the truth from them at this point.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 11, 2025 05:30 PM (cBvpj)

None of us are that naïve

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2025 05:31 PM (VE6XX)

50 Missing minute?

Posted by: The MewTwix at July 11, 2025 05:31 PM (6PgKW)

51 If Bondi is actually hiding evidence, for shadowy people in the DOJ, anyone who fires her needs to strongarm her right out of the building right then, with guards watching her every second, so she can't do any damage on her way out.

If she hasn't deleted the evidence already. I hate to sound blackpilled, but the lack of transparency makes me suspect the worst. Sigh.

Child trafficking, abuse, and porn is my hill to die on. I don't care who you are politically if you are complicit in any of this, or covering it up, you have to go. Even if it's Trump, or Bongino, or Bondi, or Elon, or some actor I love. They all have to go.

I hate the idea that people in Trump's cabinet are holding this Epstein list info back to use as blackmail leverage against politicians they need to vote their way. At the expense of justice for kids ruined by this monster? It's too horrid to think about.

Posted by: LizLem at July 11, 2025 05:31 PM (gWBY1)

52 I really don't understand why the DOJ released the memo, unsigned or otherwise, to Axios. What were they thinking?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 11, 2025 05:31 PM (/U5Yz)

53 I know everyone wants to root for the home team, but I marvel at conservatives simply poo-pooing even the possibility that their own government is withholding the truth from them at this point.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 11, 2025 05:30 PM (cBvpj)
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Right, better vote for the Dems then. Can't trust Trump.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 05:31 PM (ZOv7s)

54 OT: U.S. Sun reports on Air India 171 CVR:
'Cockpit audio also confirmed that one of the pilots asked: “Why did you cutoff [fuel to both f'n engines]?"
The other replied: “I didn’t."'

Posted by: Hacked gp's Feed Off The Bird at July 11, 2025 05:32 PM (TwZXH)

55 Who gives a shit? You could take the four most dedicated Epstein case diehards on this blog and sub them in for these people... they wouldn't pry loose a single bit more evidence than these phony power players or the media mosquitos who report on them.

The fix was in years ago. It's always in, in every case. If you're looking to government to change any of this, you're out of your mind. You might as well ask PETA to endorse the Cattlemen's Association.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 11, 2025 05:32 PM (BI5O2)

56 I really don't understand why the DOJ released the memo, unsigned or otherwise, to Axios. What were they thinking?
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 11, 2025 05:31 PM (/U5Yz)
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How do you know they did?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 05:32 PM (ZOv7s)

57
9 My first clue about Bondi was her hatred of the 2A.
I wanted Gaetz or Paxton, I got DOJ Barbie.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 11, 2025 05:21 PM

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My first clue was her trying to railroad George Zimmerman into jail when she was Florida state AG, after he'd been cleared by local authorities as engaging in self-defense. Her public huddling and cooing for the cameras with Trayvon Martin's grifting phony baloney 'family' was especially disgusting.

1. Zimmerman was innocent.
2. She revived the case purely for personal political gain.
3. There was no political gain, because her antics made her look like a stupid asshole.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at July 11, 2025 05:32 PM (OA/Kt)

58 Much more important issues to me right now than an Epstein list. A subject that's been talked about for a decade but now it's presented as some kind of current scandal.

Leave it to the right to sabotage the momentum we had going. First the brave BBB hold outs and now Epstein.

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2025 05:32 PM (VofaG)

59 47 I will point out something that was on X today that was annoying - the Administration made a big deal about none of the Iranian missiles striking the American base at Qatar a couple weeks ago, so there was no need to respond to anything. So this week the Iranians started passing around satellite photos of the base, saying "ha ha ha look at this radar dome in the middle of their base that we blew up!!" And i and many said "oh the Iranians are just photoshopping that and lying. Because our military wouldn't lie about that."

until today, when the Administration said "ok we didn't really say nothing hit (YES YOU DID!!!) we said the bases operability was never threatened." Why oh why did you have to lie about something so stupid and obvious???
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 11, 2025 05:31 PM (uWKK

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Sounds like we were engaging in some Iranian style embellishment?

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 11, 2025 05:32 PM (36PRH)

60 recall that Epstein got off easy on the first charges due to his connections to the Intelligence Community.
IF it was the Mossad and/or CIA running a honey pot operation to gain influence over a number of powerful/influential people, you can imagine that the IC doesn't want the details coming out, particularly as the leverage still exists, despite Epstein's "death".

Posted by: proudvastrightwingguy at July 11, 2025 05:32 PM (Ovc06)

61 Glenn Beck @glennbeck going to bat for @dbongino 👏🏻 with a plea to President Trump:

“But America can’t lose Dan Bongino. He has SO MUCH CREDIBILITY. Everybody knows him, loves him. Pam Bondi has created so much DOUBT and CHAOS in this whole thing…either it’s a MASSIVE COVER-UP or she’s just FOULED IT UP…PLEASE, let’s NOT LOSE DAN BONGINO…FIRE PAM BONDI and KEEP DAN BONGINO, please!”

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 11, 2025 05:32 PM (Ri+6K)

62 Oh please. This is Democrap-sourced op bullshit. Bondi ain’t going nowhere. Neither is Bongi ain’t either. Take a chill pill. There’s a reason this dogshit drops on Friday.

Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at July 11, 2025 05:33 PM (GuFmT)

63 The fix was in years ago. It's always in, in every case. If you're looking to government to change any of this, you're out of your mind. You might as well ask PETA to endorse the Cattlemen's Association.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 11, 2025 05:32 PM (BI5O2)
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It will come out when the Clintons are dead.

Just like George H.W. Bush's affair became public after Barbara died.

I don't understand why people think it matters. The globalist power structure is collapsing but sometimes the bad guys live to die in their sleep. Deal with it.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 05:33 PM (ZOv7s)

64 But there's plenty of good candidates out there who could replace Bondi.
Posted by: Tom Servo
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It has to be someone with prior DoJ experience if they are to run the place. Otherwise, stick a crony figurehead at the top and let the top assistant AG's like Blanche run the place.

Both GOP Senators and Democrats would be more than happy to repeat the first Trump admin where he was handicapped by Sleepy Jeff and then Bagpipe Billy. Both AGs had Rod "The Rat" Rosenstein running the DoJ to the detriment of Trump getting much done.

Trump appoints the wrong AG and you get some stupid special prosecutor bullshit for something stupid while all the POS Senators gather together to metaphorically stab him repeatedly in the back to preserve their grift and nasty precious Deep State.

Posted by: whig at July 11, 2025 05:34 PM (ctrM5)

65 Glenn Beck @glennbeck going to bat for @dbongino 👏🏻 with a plea to President Trump:

“But America can’t lose Dan Bongino. He has SO MUCH CREDIBILITY. Everybody knows him, loves him. Pam Bondi has created so much DOUBT and CHAOS in this whole thing…either it’s a MASSIVE COVER-UP or she’s just FOULED IT UP…PLEASE, let’s NOT LOSE DAN BONGINO…FIRE PAM BONDI and KEEP DAN BONGINO, please!”
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 11, 2025 05:32 PM (Ri+6K)
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That seals it: total b.s.

Beck is a nuttier than a fruitcake.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 05:34 PM (ZOv7s)

66 "Beck is a nuttier than a fruitcake.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd"

Yeah.

Posted by: eleven at July 11, 2025 05:35 PM (fV+MH)

67 37 Remember, President Trump plays the news organizations like a fiddle. Every single week, something happens and the press is on it like a cat going after a laser pointer. With similar results.

By the way, what's the latest on the BBB? Did it pass and the world end? How about those boots on the ground in Iran after we hit Iran with multiple bunker busters. Deportations, those stop yet?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker
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So, when he slammed the door on it in the cabinet meeting he intentionally fanned the flames?

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 11, 2025 05:36 PM (Ri+6K)

68 The only recourse at this time is for Pam Bondi to recuse herself.

I love saying that word...Recuse. Recuse. Hahahaha!

Posted by: Jeff Sessions, Alabama Hillbilly at July 11, 2025 05:36 PM (R/m4+)

69 We can't go on together
With suspicious minds

Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2025 05:36 PM (viF8m)

70 My first clue was her trying to railroad George Zimmerman into jail when she was Florida state AG,

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug
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I forgot about that. That is a deal killer for me.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 11, 2025 05:36 PM (8LN1t)

71 54 OT: U.S. Sun reports on Air India 171 CVR:
'Cockpit audio also confirmed that one of the pilots asked: “Why did you cutoff [fuel to both f'n engines]?"
The other replied: “I didn’t."'
Posted by: Hacked gp's Feed Off The Bird at July 11, 2025 05:32 PM (TwZXH)

This crash has just jumped into totally bizarre territory, and now any wild story is becoming believable. I had been sure it was a problem with the flaps, because it is unthinkable that BOTH engines would just shut down for no reason immediately after take off.
And yet THAT is what actually happened???

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 11, 2025 05:36 PM (uWKK8)

72 I do think it funny that Bondi has so many haters, all because of this one thing. It's so stupid.

She's crushing the rogue judges, hammering the colleges with lawsuits over Title IX, but none of that counts because we have like 60 senators who will totally confirm someone even more competent.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 05:36 PM (ZOv7s)

73 Missing minute?
Posted by: The MewTwix at July 11, 2025 05:31 PM (6PgKW)

Out of ten hours. Who killed Epstein? The Flash?

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2025 05:36 PM (VofaG)

74 Funny how the calls for Bondi's head are growing louder just after a bunch of layoff notices were sent to a bunch of DOJ employees.

But, I'm sure one has nothing to do with the other.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 11, 2025 05:37 PM (tT6L1)

75 And yet THAT is what actually happened???
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 11, 2025 05:36 PM (uWKK

Suicide or homicide?

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2025 05:37 PM (VE6XX)

76 >>It could just be that this story simply does not end the way many people expected it to end. I know people have suspicions, but suspicions are not facts, and it's wrong to take one's suspicions as being true.

A LOT of the suspicions are founded on the Statements and Evidence from Epstein's Florida Conviction / Sweetheart Deal.

Where Dershowitz was representing him.

And Dersh has stated that there was absolutely a client list.

Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2025 05:37 PM (Bi+MU)

77 I listened to dan bongio's radio show for over a year before he left to go to the fib. He did multiple shows on epstein's client list and the cover up that the fib was doing with it.

To me unless he quits in protest he has lost all credibility that he has earned.

I understand that he can't talk about what he has seen at the fib and we will never know from him what was going on, but he can do a proper flounce and walk out with a statement that he no longer trusts the doj or the fib to be honest with the American people.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 11, 2025 05:37 PM (e5NfL)

78 It will come out when the Clintons are dead.
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Lol. They effectively are. None of this will ever come out.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 11, 2025 05:37 PM (BI5O2)

79 You can tell how badly Bondi (and perhaps others) mismanaged this situation by contrasting this with how Tulsi handled the JFK and RFK material. There documents were simply released without much organization, and they were disappointing to the smoking gun conspiracy theory brigade (especially the RFK documents that really made Sirhan Sirhan look bad). But there was a strong feeling that transparency had been achieved.

We all saw the photos of the stacks of video recordings seized from Epstein. You can't promise transparency and then just hand-wave that away months later as "it was all child porn". Even if you are engaging in a coverup, you release a manifest of the evidence:

Video 1: Epstein recorded himself assaulting minor victim 1 for 15 minutes

Video 1: Epstein recorded himself assaulting minor victim 2 for 20 minutes

It's not rocket science, and a lot more people would quiet down.

Posted by: the lower depths at July 11, 2025 05:37 PM (+b4rY)

80 "Right, better vote for the Dems then. Can't trust Trump."

I don't trust Trump any more than any other politician. That in no way implies that I would ever vote Democrat. He was simply the lesser of two evils. It makes no sense to trust our government at this point.

That said, I got no big complaints with Trump's performance so far. The winning stuff is good. If he can't or won't kill the Deep State, oh well, at least take the W's anyway.

Posted by: Hacked gp's Feed Off The Bird at July 11, 2025 05:37 PM (TwZXH)

81 And Dersh has stated that there was absolutely a client list.
Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2025 05:37 PM (Bi+MU)

He was on it then.

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2025 05:38 PM (VofaG)

82 >>Beck is a nuttier than a fruitcake.

Squirrel Shit takes a backseat to Beck's Nuttiness.

Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2025 05:38 PM (Bi+MU)

83 71 My first clue was her trying to railroad George Zimmerman into jail when she was Florida state AG,

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug
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I forgot about that. That is a deal killer for me.
Posted by: bob (

Me too. She's no f*cking good.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 11, 2025 05:38 PM (/U5Yz)

84 To me unless he quits in protest he has lost all credibility that he has earned.

I understand that he can't talk about what he has seen at the fib and we will never know from him what was going on, but he can do a proper flounce and walk out with a statement that he no longer trusts the doj or the fib to be honest with the American people.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 11, 2025 05:37 PM (e5NfL)
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Why?

He's not in charge of the DoJ. Why does he get to tell his boss what to do? Is this even his decision to make?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 05:38 PM (ZOv7s)

85 If she hasn't deleted the evidence already. I hate to sound blackpilled, but the lack of transparency makes me suspect the worst. Sigh.

Yeah, I never really cared about or followed the stupid Epstein story. But Bondi and company went from “We will release all the evidence” to “we’re reviewing all the evidence for release” to “here’s our conclusion, trust us” very much like that clown meme.

Which is very annoyingly making me care about the stupid Epstein story.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at July 11, 2025 05:38 PM (EXyHK)

86 One of the top plays in the Democrat/anti-Trump playbook is the "wedge" attack, where they declare that Trump is doing something that will forever alienate all of MAGA from him. They've pulled variations of this for years, and this is just one of the latest.

Trying to "poison" a Trump administration member is tops on the list for this method.

Posted by: MartynWW at July 11, 2025 05:38 PM (vXpHP)

87 Look how Trump reacted at his cabinet meeting when a reporter asked a question about Epstein.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2025 05:39 PM (viF8m)

88 Where Dershowitz was representing him.

And Dersh has stated that there was absolutely a client list.
Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2025 05:37 PM (Bi+MU)
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So Axios' memo is refuted by multiple sources. You the one with NO ONE'S SIGNATURE ON IT.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 05:39 PM (ZOv7s)

89 >>He was on it then.

Oh, I don't believe his story at all.

He has lied repeatedly in his self-defense of his Epstein Island Visit.
Contradicts himself numerous times.

Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2025 05:39 PM (Bi+MU)

90 I know people have suspicions, but suspicions are not facts, and it's wrong to take one's suspicions as being true.

If I suspect that you are pissing down my back while telling me its raining ? Going to stick with my suspicions.

But here's the facts. One man dead. One woman in jail. All the structures on one island burned to the ground.

And only one accused john. Yeah. I'll stick to my suspicions.

Posted by: Doug Roberts at July 11, 2025 05:39 PM (b8SxD)

91 I don't understand why people think it matters. The globalist power structure is collapsing but sometimes the bad guys live to die in their sleep. Deal with it.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
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Something that tends to affect people is the perceived injustices to others that they can champion. So you get pro and anti Casey Anthony, pro and anti Russia Russia, and so on.

Anything released on Epstein is likely to be like the JFK/RFK release--no smoking gun, a lot of bureaucratic memos--some tantalizing in nature but inconclusive, and no assurance that anything released has not been scrubbed to the desire of the Deep State.

The best way to get justice for the whole affair is start defunding and draining a world situation where you get stupid shit like Ukraine, perpetual war in the Mideast, and elsewhere. Send the cartel and potential terrorists back to their home countries and so on.

Like Slapton Sands, Pearl Harbor, Russia Russia, the whole Watergate op by the Deep State, there will never be a happy movie style conclusion to this affair. Simply a long drawn out dribble of stuff that may or may not be true just like these 'stories'.

Posted by: whig at July 11, 2025 05:40 PM (ctrM5)

92
Beck is a nuttier than a fruitcake.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed

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I listened to a clip of Beck yesterday that made me puke.
He was talking about the fate of the West and the invasion by islam and he and his guest both gave a disclaimer about how they were talking about "islamists" and not "islam".

Yeah, we are past that. They are all "-ists" -- that is the whole point of what every single one of them believe. All their actions are tailored to take over - the coverings, the public praying, the demands, the rapes, the speakers ... the whole point of every single believer is to take over our land, lives, and liberty.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 11, 2025 05:40 PM (8LN1t)

93 So, when he slammed the door on it in the cabinet meeting he intentionally fanned the flames?

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 11, 2025 05:36 PM (Ri+6K)
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I'm merely pointing out this is not the first time something has happened in time for a Friday news dump and the media has breathlessly reported things are tense within the Trump administration.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 11, 2025 05:40 PM (tT6L1)

94 >>> 72 54 OT: U.S. Sun reports on Air India 171 CVR:
'Cockpit audio also confirmed that one of the pilots asked: “Why did you cutoff [fuel to both f'n engines]?"
The other replied: “I didn’t."'
Posted by: Hacked gp's Feed Off The Bird at July 11, 2025 05:32 PM (TwZXH)

This crash has just jumped into totally bizarre territory, and now any wild story is becoming believable. I had been sure it was a problem with the flaps, because it is unthinkable that BOTH engines would just shut down for no reason immediately after take off.
And yet THAT is what actually happened???
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 11, 2025 05:36 PM (uWKK

DOGE! MASS FIRINGS!! TRUMP'S FAULT!!!

Posted by: This... is XiNN at July 11, 2025 05:40 PM (ULPxl)

95 Maybe they started this dust up to take the spotlight off the ICE raids ?

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2025 05:41 PM (VE6XX)

96 I don't believe Axios. I think Kash Patel and Bongino have been using the Epstein files to make arrests.

That said, Pam Bondi was behind the Zimmermann prosecution, and likely knew that TrayVon's girlfriend who they put on the stand was a fake witness.

Posted by: MikeN at July 11, 2025 05:41 PM (HVZOH)

97 A LOT of the suspicions are founded on the Statements and Evidence from Epstein's Florida Conviction / Sweetheart Deal.

Where Dershowitz was representing him.

And Dersh has stated that there was absolutely a client list.

Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2025 05:37 PM

And dershowitz defended epstein. He was given access to every single piece of evidence the fib had on epstein for his defense. He has gone on record saying there was a client list and he saw it and could actually name names but he is forbidden to do so because of the court agreements he signed.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 11, 2025 05:41 PM (e5NfL)

98 Trying to "poison" a Trump administration member is tops on the list for this method.
Posted by: MartynWW at July 11, 2025 05:38 PM (vXpHP)
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Yep, and it's sad to see so many otherwise sensible people take the bait.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 05:42 PM (ZOv7s)

99 I think there was so much damaging evidence against both powerful individuals and potentially government agencies that we may never see the files.

Could you imagine if the CIA was somehow connected to Epstein?

Gutfeld had a great point yesterday. They botched this Epstein thing up so badly that it's almost like President Trump wanted people to know that the Epstein files were HUGE and that's why they they couldn't release them. Wink. Wink.

Oh, and FANTASTIC NEWS!

I was at the dollar store. There is actually a LIZZO colouring book!!!! It was 3 bucks. I have the money but unless I get a shot at making the art thread, what's the point?

Posted by: Stateless BUT NOT HOMELESS - 6% Towards 20% - getting better at July 11, 2025 05:42 PM (jvJvP)

100 >>> 96 Maybe they started this dust up to take the spotlight off the ICE raids ?
Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2025 05:41 PM (VE6XX)

Crazy talk!

Posted by: Donald J Trump and Elon Musk at July 11, 2025 05:42 PM (ULPxl)

101 Oh wait ... two johns. Prince Andrew. Who, last I checked, is not in jail.

Posted by: Doug Roberts at July 11, 2025 05:42 PM (b8SxD)

102 Maybe they started this dust up to take the spotlight off the ICE raids ?
Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2025 05:41 PM (VE6XX)
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WE HAVE A WINNER!

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 05:42 PM (ZOv7s)

103 Bondi was one of the few lawyers who stepped forward to defend Trump during his impeachment hearing. She took a lot of abuse for that. The idea that she has gone rogue against Trump is dumb.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2025 05:43 PM (viF8m)

104 Dave Rubin interviewed Glenn Beck recently, they discussed Bongino. They are both friends of him. They both trust him. So to suddenly have decades of trust thrown into doubt is hard.

Beck: "We're at a crossroads because I know Dan Bongino...I've known him since before anything and I trust him. Do I have to trust a guy I know personally...appointed by a president I trust...If I don't trust them, who's left? Who's left? There's no one."

Rubin: "Once you go down that road, then you are spinning...I've known him to be an honorable person...then really, where are we?"

Beck: "We have no information...we have suspicion...But I need to SEE these things. We CANNOT go on trust, we need to go on facts."

Rubin: "...Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

Bongino discussion is the last segment of their interview, 50 minutes in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QS-QSPlgWI

Posted by: LizLem at July 11, 2025 05:44 PM (gWBY1)

105 This will only destroy Trump if idiot GOPers turn on him. No one else cares. The Dems are terrified of the topic, but it's a great way for Axios to stir the pot.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 05:44 PM (ZOv7s)

106 She took a lot of abuse for that. The idea that she has gone rogue against Trump is dumb.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2025 05:43 PM (viF8m)

I agree... I can't help but think this came with Trump's blessing or maybe even prodding...

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2025 05:44 PM (VE6XX)

107 76 And yet THAT is what actually happened???
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 11, 2025 05:36 PM (uWKK

Suicide or homicide?
Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2025 05:37 PM (VE6XX)

I think I believe the pilots - it looks like they were both honestly surprised by what happened, and another source is reporting multiple attempts were made to restart the engines, which failed. It looks to me as though the fuel system was sabotaged on the ground, but why? And it would have taken someone very sophisticated in aeronautical engineering to do such a specific type of sabotage.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 11, 2025 05:45 PM (uWKK8)

108 "And yet THAT is what actually happened???"

I haven't dug out the official report yet. The videos look like the engines were switched off maybe 10 seconds after liftoff, the plane flying for another 22 seconds or so. The Sun says they restarted one engine, but if they did, the switches would not be in the cutoff position. Surprised they didn't radio anything about the cutoff in the 22 seconds they had.

Posted by: Hacked gp's Feed Off The Bird at July 11, 2025 05:45 PM (TwZXH)

109 >>I think there was so much damaging evidence against both powerful individuals and potentially government agencies that we may never see the files.

>>Could you imagine if the CIA was somehow connected to Epstein?

Epstein was a CIA asset. That's why the case in ruby red Florida where he there were multiple victims claiming Epstein abused them when they were under 18 ended up with him getting a slap on the wrist.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2025 05:45 PM (viF8m)

110 86 - Excellent point. I have no strong feelings pro or anti Bondi like many people here, but the way this Epstein thing has been handled has been exceptionally amateurish in an administration that has been the most professionally run Republican Administration I've ever seen.

Posted by: the lower depths at July 11, 2025 05:46 PM (+b4rY)

111 *bursts in*
*grabs fire extinguisher*

*pulls pin*
*aims at fire*
*squeezes handle*
*sweeps side to side*

You’re welcome.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 11, 2025 05:46 PM (W2Pud)

112
people have suspicions, but suspicions are not facts, and it's wrong to take one's suspicions as being true.

===============

You're gonna make us guess what your theory is.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 11, 2025 05:46 PM (UmB+t)

113 Bottom line for me: Bondi and Trump lied right to our faces about Epstein's list and "suicide" then proceeded with the blow off.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 11, 2025 05:46 PM (/U5Yz)

114 Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed.

Posted by: Friedrich Nietzsche, the OG Black-Pilled at July 11, 2025 05:46 PM (36PRH)

115
You’re welcome.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 11, 2025 05:46 PM (W2Pud)

Thank you.. It was touch and go there for a while..

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2025 05:47 PM (VE6XX)

116 I could sooner believe that Epstein is alive and sipping Margaritas on a beach somewhere than that Epstein killed himself!

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at July 11, 2025 05:47 PM (WK0PT)

117 >>> *bursts in*
*grabs fire extinguisher*
*pulls pin*
*aims at fire*
*squeezes handle*
*sweeps side to side*

You’re welcome.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 11, 2025 05:46 PM (W2Pud)

Bless you, Nurse! You always know what to do.

Posted by: LizLem at July 11, 2025 05:47 PM (gWBY1)

118
You’re welcome.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 11, 2025 05:46 PM (W2Pud)
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Uh, nurse, maybe point that extinguisher a bit higher next time? Some of us are just a we bit taller than you are.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 11, 2025 05:47 PM (tT6L1)

119 ok, fine. I will repost , "In a Friday morning social media post, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche wrote that he worked closely with Patel and Bongino on the memo and that all three officials signed off on the memo’s contents and conclusions.

“The suggestion by anyone that there was any daylight between the FBI and DOJ leadership on this memo’s composition and release is patently false,” Blanche wrote."

I repost , you decide.

Posted by: runner at July 11, 2025 05:48 PM (g47mK)

120 112 *bursts in*
*grabs fire extinguisher*

*pulls pin*
*aims at fire*
*squeezes handle*
*sweeps side to side*

You’re welcome.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 11, 2025 05:46 PM (W2Pud)

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I thought one of David Letterman's funniest stunts (when he was still funny), was spraying Richard Simmons with a fire extinguisher whenever he got handsy.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 11, 2025 05:48 PM (36PRH)

121 "Bondi and Trump lied right to our faces about Epstein's list and "suicide" then proceeded with the blow off."

I can accept that as long as we get all the other wins. Because I have to, I guess.

Posted by: Hacked gp's Feed Off The Bird at July 11, 2025 05:48 PM (TwZXH)

122 >>> 112 *bursts in*
*grabs fire extinguisher*

*pulls pin*
*aims at fire*
*squeezes handle*
*sweeps side to side*

You’re welcome.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 11, 2025 05:46 PM (W2Pud)

*ponders*

*tosses pie*

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 11, 2025 05:48 PM (ULPxl)

123 113
people have suspicions, but suspicions are not facts, and it's wrong to take one's suspicions as being true.

===============

You're gonna make us guess what your theory is.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 11, 2025 05:46 PM (UmB+t)

Yeah, this is just the kind of WITHOUT EVIDENCE bullshit that the media peddles all the time. Everyone in government and the news lies and suppresses information nonstop and then labels anyone who doesn't accept the narrative as a conspiracy theorist. It's called gaslighting.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 11, 2025 05:48 PM (cBvpj)

124 >>I agree... I can't help but think this came with Trump's blessing or maybe even prodding...

I think there's a pretty good chance that some of the evidence might be highly damaging to the US or some of our allies.

Look at how Trump reacted to a question about Epstein the other day. Does anyone seriously think Donald Trump, the guy taking a blow torch to the deep state, wants to protect perverts over this?

Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2025 05:48 PM (viF8m)

125 Epstein was a CIA asset. That's why the case in ruby red Florida where he there were multiple victims claiming Epstein abused them when they were under 18 ended up with him getting a slap on the wrist.

Tell me this ... honestly. Do you believe Epstein found the money to build an island and charter service dedicated to the transport of underage girls ... and he was the only one tapping those girls despite the whos who list of those on the island ?

Posted by: Doug Roberts at July 11, 2025 05:49 PM (b8SxD)

126 *bursts in*
*grabs fire extinguisher*

*pulls pin*
*aims at fire*
*squeezes handle*
*sweeps side to side*

You’re welcome.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 11, 2025 05:46 PM

Nice try but this is lithium battery level fire stuff.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 11, 2025 05:49 PM (e5NfL)

127
Look at how Trump reacted to a question about Epstein the other day. Does anyone seriously think Donald Trump, the guy taking a blow torch to the deep state, wants to protect perverts over this?
Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2025 05:48 PM (viF8m)
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Yeah, this is the same guy who sicced the US Marshal service on child traffickers in his first term.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 11, 2025 05:49 PM (tT6L1)

128 Bongino Supposedly Will Quit Unless Bondi Is Fired
......

"He just wants to date me." - Pam Bondi

Posted by: wth at July 11, 2025 05:49 PM (v0R5T)

129 I think most of the rumors about Bondi and negative stuff about her is coming from Loomer, whos is like 50/50 accurate. Well, maybe like 70/30...70 being wrong

Posted by: runner at July 11, 2025 05:50 PM (g47mK)

130 Can we talk about the Moderna Covid vax that was just approved by the FDA.

*runs*

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 11, 2025 05:50 PM (/U5Yz)

131 @megynkelly . 38m

Can confirm it’s Bongino or Bondi - and the pick is obvious.
Bondi must go.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 11, 2025 05:50 PM (Ri+6K)

132 >>I think there's a pretty good chance that some of the evidence might be highly damaging to the US or some of our allies.

What...
like a member/members of the British Royal Family?

Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2025 05:50 PM (Bi+MU)

133 I'm in the minority here, but I don't give a rat's ass about any of the Epstein stuff. Is it terrible what happened to his victims? Yes, but it can't be undone and they'll never be compensated in any way. Is there a "list" of his "clients?" Yes, of course. Blackmailers collect evidence. But I find myself wondering if it's worse wondering who's on the list and should be brought to justice, and seeing who is actually on the list and watching as they are NEVER brought to justice, because they wouldn't be.

He was horrible, he's dead, and the bigwigs will get away with their crimes. Yawn. Drop it and focus on shit that actually matters and might actually get done. Keep moving the ball.

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at July 11, 2025 05:50 PM (F30Bl)

134 129 I think most of the rumors about Bondi and negative stuff about her is coming from Loomer, whos is like 50/50 accurate. Well, maybe like 70/30...70 being wrong
Posted by: runner at July 11, 2025 05:50 PM (g47mK)

I don't trust Looney Loomer...

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2025 05:50 PM (VE6XX)

135
"He just wants to date me." - Pam Bondi
Posted by: wth

Bondi's never been married. Odd no?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 11, 2025 05:51 PM (/U5Yz)

136 >>> 132 >>I think there's a pretty good chance that some of the evidence might be highly damaging to the US or some of our allies.

What...
like a member/members of the British Royal Family?
Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2025 05:50 PM (Bi+MU)

BURN IT DOWN

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 11, 2025 05:51 PM (ULPxl)

137 61 recall that Epstein got off easy on the first charges due to his connections to the Intelligence Community.
Posted by: proudvastrightwingguy
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Anything released is going to be something like the JFK or RFK documents. I've read the depositions from the Prince Andrew lawsuit plus as much has been released from the earlier 2008 Palm Beach conviction. Lot of he said, she said, in depositions and testimony, silence from Epstein and Maxwell, and virtually nothing about who Epstein entertained. You get a very small slice of it with Giuffre but a lot of the other girls have ODed, vanished, or gave bland statements about what went on.

To make a case, you have to prove that the girls were under the age of consent, that they were in fact not voluntarily having sex in exchange for Epstein giving them bennies, and get testimony on the record in open court that such and such happened. Since Ghislaine perhaps or certainly Epstein were the contact person with whoever their IC handler was, the girls probably know nothing about that end. And those handlers, who are often false flag (aka an Australian who appears English, an American appearing Israeli, etc.) and codenamed.

Posted by: whig at July 11, 2025 05:51 PM (ctrM5)

138 What...
like a member/members of the British Royal Family?
Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2025 05:50 PM (Bi+MU)

More like the current Israeli Government.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 11, 2025 05:51 PM (uWKK8)

139 If Dershowitz has seen the client list why isn't he dead?

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2025 05:51 PM (VofaG)

140 Don't make me do it.

Posted by: guy who always yells for the Hall Monitor at July 11, 2025 05:51 PM (v0R5T)

141 135
"He just wants to date me." - Pam Bondi
Posted by: wth

Bondi's never been married. Odd no?
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 11, 2025 05:51 PM (/U5Yz)

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Gay, definitely gay.

Posted by: Rain Man at July 11, 2025 05:52 PM (36PRH)

142 He was horrible, he's dead, and the bigwigs will get away with their crimes. Yawn. Drop it and focus on shit that actually matters and might actually get done. Keep moving the ball.

Bullshit. Thats the Bobby Knight "just lie back and enjoy it" view.

Hard pass.

Posted by: Doug Roberts at July 11, 2025 05:52 PM (b8SxD)

143 Look, this is the same as the old Lock Her Up stuff Rush tried to warn people would never actually materialize.

If Trump had actually arrested Hillary Clinton in 2017, DC would have fallen apart.

If any Epstein evidence still even exists in 2025 (highly doubtful, considering all those FBI raids and mysterious fires and so on)... same result. Too many powerful men would be swept up in the maelstrom.

Anyone who wants to work in that town can't afford to blow it to flinders. So it won't happen.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 11, 2025 05:52 PM (BI5O2)

144 Loomer was right that one time...about Biden having a stroke, or something in Vegas, and being flown to DC at extreme velocity.

Posted by: runner at July 11, 2025 05:52 PM (g47mK)

145 >>Tell me this ... honestly. Do you believe Epstein found the money to build an island and charter service dedicated to the transport of underage girls ... and he was the only one tapping those girls despite the whos who list of those on the island ?

I don't think there's any doubt what happened. I also have no doubt that Epstein was a CIA asset and likely also worked for other foreign intel agencies. And I think a lot of what they did would be highly embarassing for multiple governments.

I don't need the feds to tell me that there are a lot of perverts in positions of power all around the world and many of them, most of them, get away with it.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2025 05:52 PM (viF8m)

146 ... Epstein files were HUGE and that's why they they couldn't release them. Wink. Wink.

Posted by: Stateless BUT NOT HOMELESS

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OK, but why wink.

That has to be the worst way of handling it. Even worse than the earlier denials that it existed.

Just say that for matters of national security, we can not go public with the actions we are taking against those involved.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 11, 2025 05:52 PM (8LN1t)

147 Come to think of it, if the fuel was cutoff during ascent, I gotta believe that such an unusual event would have been telemetered to the ground via ACARS, but nobody reported receiving such data. Modern jets are constantly squawking out digital radio telemetry, via ACARS, about the performance of all their subsystems, right down to the lavatory fans.

Posted by: Hacked gp's Feed Off The Bird at July 11, 2025 05:52 PM (TwZXH)

148 Bondi's never been married. Odd no?
Posted by: Maj. Healey
......

Maybe she's not human.

Posted by: wth at July 11, 2025 05:53 PM (v0R5T)

149 138 What...
like a member/members of the British Royal Family?
Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2025 05:50 PM (Bi+MU)

He was found out because one of his victims Id' him ...

Have any of the other girls named names ?

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2025 05:53 PM (VE6XX)

150
Here's the Dersh tape. He doesn't say it's a client list. He says "names." He seems to be more concerned that "false accusers" are being suppressed, and they should be outed.

https://tinyurl.com/48j6zmfu

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 11, 2025 05:53 PM (UmB+t)

151 I think there's a pretty good chance that some of the evidence might be highly damaging to the US or some of our allies.

Look at how Trump reacted to a question about Epstein the other day. Does anyone seriously think Donald Trump, the guy taking a blow torch to the deep state, wants to protect perverts over this?
Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2025 05:48 PM (viF8m)

This sounds reasonable enough to me.

But then the US and its allies should be damaged.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 11, 2025 05:53 PM (cBvpj)

152 More like the current Israeli Government.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 11, 2025 05:51 PM (uWKK

Dude, they run the sting, not participate in it! Get with the program !

Posted by: runner at July 11, 2025 05:53 PM (g47mK)

153 39 If Dershowitz has seen the client list why isn't he dead?
Posted by: polynike

He's got a kill switch(s) out there somewhere?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 11, 2025 05:53 PM (/U5Yz)

154
I think Kash Patel and Bongino have been using the Epstein files to make arrests.

Huh??

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 11, 2025 05:54 PM (63Dwl)

155 Of course Epstein was an LE/IC asset.

The guy got his start when Bill Barr's dad got him a teaching gig, then he magically becomes a trading hotshot where Deutche Bank is covering his operation and Les Wexner is signing over billion dollar powers of attorney to this f**king unknown clown, he hooked up with the daughter of a spook and they are trafficiking under age girls all around the world, and hob nobbing with the richest people on the planet, he get banged up in Florida over sex trafficiking is cut loose because the Florida DA was explicitly told he was an IC asset.

It's of a piece with a former Navy Signal intelligence officer deciding what he really wanted to do was be a reporter and his first gig was getting a tip from the number two at the FBI that a bunch of CIA operatives broke into the DNC at the Watergate and it went straight up to The Big Guy.

It's all f**king bullsh*t, and I want these POS exposed, if they're not exposed and it's covered up, that means they are still running sh*t and we are in control of nothing.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 11, 2025 05:54 PM (XV/Pl)

156 Not even Nic Cage could get to the epstein files now

Posted by: brak at July 11, 2025 05:54 PM (Hfyzf)

157 Bondi's never been married. Odd no?
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 11, 2025 05:51 PM (/U5Yz)

She was fat at one time. Anyway Heather Graham and Morgan Fairchild never married.

Politically Condi Rice never married.

But yes I do find a woman never being married more odd than a man never being married.

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2025 05:54 PM (VofaG)

158 >>Bondi's never been married. Odd no?

That would probably come as a surprise to her two former husbands.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2025 05:55 PM (viF8m)

159 If Dershowitz has seen the client list why isn't he dead?

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2025 05:51 PM

A whole bunch of people saw that client list and other documents during his trial including dershowtiz, the judge, prosecuting attorneys and multiple court clerks. Pretty sure there is safety in numbers.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 11, 2025 05:55 PM (e5NfL)

160 I don't need the feds to tell me that there are a lot of perverts in positions of power all around the world and many of them, most of them, get away with it.

The names are a big part of why I voted for Trump. To Hell with tax policy if an international pedo ring is just not the hill to die on.

Name the names.

Posted by: Doug Roberts at July 11, 2025 05:55 PM (b8SxD)

161 Uh, nurse, maybe point that extinguisher a bit higher next time? Some of us are just a we bit taller than you are.
Posted by: blake

BLAM BLAM BLAM

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 11, 2025 05:55 PM (W2Pud)

162 "Look at how Trump reacted to a question about Epstein the other day."

That's what alarmed me. Bondi was being asked a perfectly reasonable question, and Trump leaped in angrily and made it clear we aren't to talk about that stuff anymore.

That was HIGHLY suspicious to me.

Posted by: Hacked gp's Feed Off The Bird at July 11, 2025 05:55 PM (TwZXH)

163 154
I think Kash Patel and Bongino have been using the Epstein files to make arrests.

Huh??
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 11, 2025 05:54 PM

I saw this rumor online somewhere that they're not releasing the info because they're using the info to arrest and convict pedos but I think this is wishful thinking? I don't know.

Posted by: CaliGirl at July 11, 2025 05:56 PM (jPh2t)

164 154
I think Kash Patel and Bongino have been using the Epstein files to make arrests.

Is this Qanon crap?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 11, 2025 05:56 PM (/U5Yz)

165 Bondi's never been married. Odd no?
Posted by: Maj. Healey
......

Maybe she's not human.
Posted by: wth at July 11, 2025 05:53 PM (v0R5T)

maybe some are makin shit up. She was married 2 times, and is currently engaged to a dude who gave her that big ass ring

Posted by: runner at July 11, 2025 05:56 PM (g47mK)

166 You can tell Nurse has had fire training at her hospital gig. Knew P*A*S*S!

Nurse, were you ever forced to watch the 1978 documentary-"Hospitals Don't Burn Down"?

Posted by: Based On a True Story at July 11, 2025 05:57 PM (G5+As)

167 Codenamed covert ops individuals appear in memos across the JFK and RFK files but without reference to exactly who they might be for operational security. Then that works quite well to prevent any subsequent law enforcement actions because the first rule in criminal law is to identify who needs to be charged. Difficult to build a case otherwise.

This is why the whole inquiry into CIA dark prisons came to a halt when an ops guy (last name Rodriguez mebbe?) destroyed most of the evidence that would have been needed to actually prove violations of US law. CIA is simply not going to hand over its officers to foreign countries to be prosecuted. Heck, one such lady who killed a guy outside an American enclave in the UK was spirited out the country and simply is not going to be charged for it. Black ops mean even more such protections from being prosecuted by anyone.

And if by chance you got their 'handler'--their handler would claim no knowledge of law breaking but only that Epstein passed him some tips from time to time. You do not get smoking guns in these situations--maybe some post hoc CYA memos from office types but not from the people at the tip of the spear.

Posted by: whig at July 11, 2025 05:57 PM (ctrM5)

168 He's not in charge of the DoJ. Why does he get to tell his boss what to do? Is this even his decision to make?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 05:38 PM (ZOv7s)

If your job includes, say, shaking 83 year old women down for money, and you don't like it, it is probably best to resign.
If you are a high value employee, you may be able to say, "fix this or I quit" or "stop being illegal or I quit" and you might make things better.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 11, 2025 05:57 PM (D7oie)

169 It's all f**king bullsh*t, and I want these POS exposed, if they're not exposed and it's covered up, that means they are still running sh*t and we are in control of nothing.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 11, 2025 05:54 PM (XV/Pl)
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No, they could be out of power but still too dangerous to get at for a variety of reasons.

The problem you have is that you can't just drop stuff without evidence or its defamation, and maybe the evidence does not have a solid chain of custody.

You can drop all that after the perp is dead, though. I think there is a release, in train, but whoever created or leaked the memo jumped the train.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 05:57 PM (ZOv7s)

170 Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 11, 2025 05:55 PM (e5NfL)

Then why did they have to kill Epstein according to the conspiracists?

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2025 05:57 PM (VofaG)

171 >>Bondi's never been married. Odd no?

That would probably come as a surprise to her two former husbands.
Posted by: JackStraw
......

Yeah, now they both want half their shit back.

Posted by: wth at July 11, 2025 05:57 PM (v0R5T)

172 Epstein was a CIA asset. That's why the case in ruby red Florida where he there were multiple victims claiming Epstein abused them when they were under 18 ended up with him getting a slap on the wrist.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2025 05:45 PM (viF8m)

Yeah, and Alex Acosta was the Southern District of Florida US Attorney who released him, and later fell on his sword as Labor Secretary for Trump when Epstein was re-arrested when that case was reopened.

None of this will come out now, anymore than then.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 11, 2025 05:58 PM (BI5O2)

173 Not even Nic Cage could get to the epstein files now
Posted by: brak at July 11, 2025 05:54 PM (Hfyzf)

Just squeeze some lemon juice on it. That should work.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Cynical Member of Generation X at July 11, 2025 05:58 PM (0aYVJ)

174 165 Bondi's never been married. Odd no?
Posted by: Maj. Healey
......

Maybe she's not human.
Posted by: wth at July 11, 2025 05:53 PM (v0R5T)

maybe some are makin shit up. She was married 2 times, and is currently engaged to a dude who gave her that big ass ring
Posted by: runner

I retract my previous misinformed statement. Now you may...

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 11, 2025 05:58 PM (/U5Yz)

175 Regardless of whatever, but it would be a bad look if Trump's AG has to leave after only six months on the job

does not inspire confidence

Posted by: Don Black. Message: nothing will come of this at July 11, 2025 05:59 PM (AOsQT)

176 maybe some are makin shit up. She was married 2 times, and is currently engaged to a dude who gave her that big ass ring
Posted by: runner at July 11, 2025 05:56 PM (g47mK)

Thanks I didn't know that. Mainly because I didn't care. But I do like accuracy.

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2025 05:59 PM (VofaG)

177 She was married 2 times, and is currently engaged to a dude who gave her that big ass ring

Which raises the most interesting issue of the thread: what kind of maniac signs up to be spouse number three to a lawyer?!?

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 11, 2025 05:59 PM (cBvpj)

178 147 Come to think of it, if the fuel was cutoff during ascent,

Posted by: Hacked gp's
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This used to happen to a chevy I once owned -- stalled out going up hills. I would check the fuel filter.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 11, 2025 05:59 PM (8LN1t)

179 >>She was married 2 times, and is currently engaged to a dude who gave her that big ass ring

I did stretch that hole out, too.

But, I did get her a big Engagement Ring.

Posted by: Mr Bondi at July 11, 2025 06:00 PM (Bi+MU)

180 It's of a piece with a former Navy Signal intelligence officer deciding what he really wanted to do was be a reporter and his first gig was getting a tip from the number two at the FBI that a bunch of CIA operatives broke into the DNC at the Watergate and it went straight up to The Big Guy.

It's all f**king bullsh*t, and I want these POS exposed, if they're not exposed and it's covered up, that means they are still running sh*t and we are in control of nothing.
Posted by: Thomas Bender

All you can do is manage the Deep State, never totally control it. Want to punish it? Cut the budget, remove their perks, etc. Prior to the current OSS/CIA, you had military intel that did some interesting things back in the day. One of my dad's fellow officers was deputy director of US Military Intel before he retired. They got to do some stuff including breaking into all sorts of computer systems in order to 'test' those systems for security.

Posted by: whig at July 11, 2025 06:00 PM (ctrM5)

181 If your job includes, say, shaking 83 year old women down for money, and you don't like it, it is probably best to resign.
If you are a high value employee, you may be able to say, "fix this or I quit" or "stop being illegal or I quit" and you might make things better.
Posted by: Kindltot at July 11, 2025 05:57 PM (D7oie)
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If he resigns over the timing of the release, than he's a worthless tool.

He had a totally different job, and he can justifiably say: "I don't agree with that, but I'm still here to fix other things." Running home is grossly immature.

It's weird how often Conservative Principles involve quitting and going home with nothing actually being accomplished.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 06:01 PM (ZOv7s)

182 She was married 2 times, and is currently engaged to a dude who gave her that big ass ring
Posted by: runner
......

Third time's the charm.

Posted by: wth at July 11, 2025 06:01 PM (v0R5T)

183
If Dershowitz has seen the client list why isn't he dead?

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2025 05:51 PM

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See my link at #150. He says he's NDA'd.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 11, 2025 06:01 PM (UmB+t)

184 So I see that Tom Brady and Sophia Vergara are dating?

Big step up for Tom from that Giselle chick.

Posted by: Bulg at July 11, 2025 06:01 PM (77rzZ)

185 She told me she was 19.

Posted by: PRINCE ANDREW at July 11, 2025 06:02 PM (5yGIt)

186 It's weird how often Conservative Principles involve quitting and going home with nothing actually being accomplished.

Or shrugging shoulders and saying "oh well, just how things are, move along".

Posted by: Doug Roberts at July 11, 2025 06:02 PM (b8SxD)

187 All I can say is I hope they all stay in their jobs.. Don't give the media the satisfaction of a chaotic administration..

Posted by: It's me donna at July 11, 2025 06:03 PM (VE6XX)

188 Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 06:01 PM (ZOv7s)

That's my feeling if the rumors are true. To be fair to Bongino I'm going to believe they are not true right now.

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2025 06:03 PM (VofaG)

189 It would be cool if Bongino showed up Monday with the complete Epstein files, handed them to the press, and said "Fuck it. I'm blowing this whistle" and let the chips fall where they may.

That would be very very cool.

Posted by: Hacked gp's Feed Off The Bird at July 11, 2025 06:03 PM (TwZXH)

190 Which raises the most interesting issue of the thread: what kind of maniac signs up to be spouse number three to a lawyer?!?
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls
.......

Gotta be a penniless drunk.

Posted by: wth at July 11, 2025 06:03 PM (v0R5T)

191 Maybe Epstein’s not dead…

Posted by: Bulg at July 11, 2025 06:03 PM (77rzZ)

192 BLAM BLAM BLAM
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 11, 2025 05:55 PM (W2Pud)
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Hah. Love you too, Nurse. See you in October!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 11, 2025 06:03 PM (tT6L1)

193 This used to happen to a chevy I once owned -- stalled out going up hills. I would check the fuel filter.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus)

Or next time use new Shell with Platformate!

Posted by: Tommy Tune-up at July 11, 2025 06:05 PM (G5+As)

194 Or shrugging shoulders and saying "oh well, just how things are, move along".
Posted by: Doug Roberts at July 11, 2025 06:02 PM (b8SxD)
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Priorities. Bondi is crushing it in the courts and without here in place, all those cases will stall out.

A new AG won't be confirmed until the fall, though Trump might get a recess appointment. And then what guarantee do you have that the new one will do the release?

it's just so self-defeating, a purity spiral for clickbait.

Oh, and Axios will claim credit for beating Trump. And they'd be right.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 06:05 PM (ZOv7s)

195 If there is no list, then Bondi should have shut her fat, botoxed face.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 11, 2025 06:05 PM (zZu0s)

196 So I see that Tom Brady and Sophia Vergara are dating?
......

Hope he doesn't bruise his face out on the lake.

Posted by: wth at July 11, 2025 06:05 PM (v0R5T)

197 It's weird how often Conservative Principles involve quitting and going home with nothing actually being accomplished.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 06:01 PM

Anyone with principles of any kind wouldn't serve the US government in any capacity to begin with, so their resignations are meaningless in that context.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 11, 2025 06:05 PM (BI5O2)

198 She told me she was 19.
Posted by: PRINCE ANDREW
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Ni-ni-ni 19, 19, ni-19 19
19, 19, 19, 19

Posted by: Crusader at July 11, 2025 06:05 PM (TN0g+)

199 @180

>>All you can do is manage the Deep State, never totally control it.

Perhaps, but the way this has been handled so far has been poor to say the least.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 11, 2025 06:05 PM (XV/Pl)

200 People want justice.
Or at least a facsimile of justice. Or an attempt at justice and explanation for why the evidence is insufficient or the statute of limitations, or it was destroyed,....

If Trump and his brain trust don't understand that, we have a problem.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at July 11, 2025 06:05 PM (8LN1t)

201 Why did Andrew feel he needed to chase jailbait when he already had that lovely ginger Sarah Ferguson?

Posted by: Bulg at July 11, 2025 06:05 PM (77rzZ)

202 It would be cool if Bongino showed up Monday with the complete Epstein files, handed them to the press, and said "Fuck it. I'm blowing this whistle" and let the chips fall where they may.

That would be very very cool.
Posted by: Hacked gp's Feed Off The Bird at July 11, 2025 06:03 PM (TwZXH)

Yeah very cool for the rest of Trump's administration. /s

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2025 06:06 PM (VofaG)

203 MAGGA (Make the AG Gaetz Again)!

Posted by: ShainS -- Two Days To 'FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! Day' at July 11, 2025 06:06 PM (4vd8A)

204
149 138 What...
like a member/members of the British Royal Family?
Posted by: garrett at July 11, 2025 05:50 PM (Bi+MU)

He was found out because one of his victims Id' him ...

Have any of the other girls named names ?
Posted by: It's me donna
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Virginia Giuffre filed a civil action against Prince Andrew which the queen forced Andrew to settle for a lot of money. Some of what we know about Epstein's NYC and Pedo Island trips come from civil depositions in the case. Lurid stuff but not particularly useful in identifying those associating with Epstein and getting favors from his 'girls'.

Nothing whatsoever to identify handlers in the IC in that case or in the earlier DoJ files released over Epstein's Miami days. Some is there about how Trump found out about one girl about to be trafficked from Mar a Lago and how he stopped it.

Posted by: whig at July 11, 2025 06:06 PM (ctrM5)

205 Maybe Epstein’s not dead…
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He didn't kill himself...

Posted by: Hillary C. at July 11, 2025 06:06 PM (TN0g+)

206 202 Let the chips fall where they may.

Posted by: Hacked gp's Feed Off The Bird at July 11, 2025 06:07 PM (TwZXH)

207 >>Perhaps, but the way this has been handled so far has been poor to say the least.

Including the part where USAID no longer exists?

Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2025 06:07 PM (viF8m)

208 Both can be true. There can be no list and they can hate the secret Santa, disney princess way she handled it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 11, 2025 06:07 PM (zZu0s)

209 Which raises the most interesting issue of the thread: what kind of maniac signs up to be spouse number three to a lawyer?!?
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at July 11, 2025 05:59 PM (cBvpj)
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Is she hot?

I put this question before this honorable House: RESOLVED - Pam Bondi is a 1.

Is there dissent?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 06:07 PM (ZOv7s)

210 IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE, THE PREMIER SUPER JAIL IN AMERICA HOLDING EPSTEIN HAD CAMERAS THAT HAVE THE WORST VIDEO QUALITY IN THE WORLD AND DID NOT EVEN POINT AT HIS CELL.

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at July 11, 2025 06:07 PM (/U5Yz)

211 My theory is as good as anyone's...I think this is causing MORE press from the MSM demanding the list...who ignored it for many years...trying to make things worse for the man they despise. It is going to backfire on them when/if more is released as they request. I am patient and can wait.

I am more interested in the complaints from Alligator Alcatraz. A guy from Venezuela, cry me a river, said the caged illegals in bunk beds are full of mosquitos, crickets and frogs. He thinks this is psychological to get them to sign self deportations and would not give his name. Or something like that as I pictured them freaking out in Florida summer nights and snickered and, as usual, did not read content. I would hazard a guess the snakes have not figured their tents out, as that would be worse than crickets. Top bunk!

Toilets are backed up. Worms in food. A lot of lawyuhs screaming about their rights being violated. No phone number to call their clients. It is unfair! Stompy! People running the place say this is a pack of lies.

I would like to remind them they had time to self deport to cooler Canada and did not. President Trump did warn you! Therefore, enjoy your tropical stay! Adios!

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at July 11, 2025 06:07 PM (6PCLE)

212
Get Gulf No-nox!
no wait
Put a tiger in your tank!

Posted by: Don Black. Message: nothing will come of this at July 11, 2025 06:08 PM (AOsQT)

213 202 It would be cool if Bongino showed up Monday with the complete Epstein files, handed them to the press, and said "Fuck it. I'm blowing this whistle" and let the chips fall where they may.

That would be very very cool.
Posted by: Hacked gp's
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Isn't going to happen for a variety of reasons. One, is that if Epstein was an intel IC, a lot of those files Bongino would never see--those would be CIA files. And it took over 60 years, several US laws, and Trump trying to pry those files out for his first administration.

Posted by: whig at July 11, 2025 06:08 PM (ctrM5)

214 Both can be true. There can be no list and they can hate the secret Santa, disney princess way she handled it.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 11, 2025 06:07 PM (zZu0s)
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I guess I have to explain yet again that the binder gambit was a setup for SDNY's attorneys. She gave them out, then a whistleblower found they hid documents, the office was raided and the Dem operatives were forced to quit.

Why do people always leave that part out?

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 06:08 PM (ZOv7s)

215 Priorities. Bondi is crushing it in the courts and without here in place, all those cases will stall out.

I guess "crushing it in the courts" Trumps "don't screw up our cover-up of the pedo ring".

Posted by: Doug Roberts at July 11, 2025 06:08 PM (b8SxD)

216 "I don't know what's going on here. I trust Bongino and Kash Patel, and I trust Trump. So I don't have strong suspicions that they're covering anything up."

Exactly. Of all the parties involved, the only one who I would say has not "walked the walk" is Bondi, but Trump seems to have have done a lot better with his appointees this time around. Bondi was famous for her handling of the 2000 POTUS election, IIRC. Also, I think she was the one who caved to corporate media induced public pressure and charged George Zimmerman in the Treyvon Martin case, even though there was no legal reason to do so.

There are theories that this is about catching the object of their investigations off guard - so they don't flee, or find legal obstacles to throw in the way - by making everybody thing there is no investigation going on at all. There's another theory that this is an intentional invocation of the Streisand effect - tricking the media to pay attention to the issue.

All I can say for sure is that, no this isn't over, and no, Trump & Co are NOT taking bribes to give. the bad guys a pass

Posted by: MrExcitement at July 11, 2025 06:08 PM (hOOi9)

217 Heh, didn't someone say here that Brady was hitting on Sydney Sweeney the other week?

Evidently, man has discovered boobs.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 11, 2025 06:08 PM (zZu0s)

218 Again if so many people have seen the client list why did they kill Epstein?

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2025 06:09 PM (VofaG)

219 Bondi was an obvious dud from the beginning.

She was integral to the Zimmerman trial, which Obama, Jarrett and Co intentionally used to smash this country apart. In a way few things have before or since.

People don't want to know only because they don't want to know. This wasn't some bad or crazy or rash decision she made. She tried to railroad dummy Zimmerman in a bs trial either on behalf of someone or for her own ends or both. Also not very good on gubs. Fuck her.

Posted by: ... at July 11, 2025 06:09 PM (E0p3T)

220 >>>"false accusers" are being suppressed, and they should be outed.

https://tinyurl.com/48j6zmfu
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
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Always thought at least one of the accusers was a CIA drone.
Just like BLM there's a trained initiator.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 11, 2025 06:09 PM (Ri+6K)

221 Bongo is supposedly telling Trump to fire his fucking Attorney General — a cabinet-level position significantly higher than Bongo’s — or Bongo will quit? Get the fuck out of here. Either Bongo is bongos, or this is bullshit. No fucking way will Trump fire his AG to keep a deputy FBI guy.

Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at July 11, 2025 06:09 PM (GuFmT)

222 I hate the idea that people in Trump's cabinet are holding this Epstein list info back to use as blackmail leverage against politicians they need to vote their way. At the expense of justice for kids ruined by this monster? It's too horrid to think about.

Posted by: LizLem at July 11, 2025 05:31 PM (gWBY1)

Why would anyone think, if this was the case, the call would not be coming from the very top of the Admin? Bondi would not be making this call herself, if it's a call being made.

Posted by: Nova Local at July 11, 2025 06:09 PM (tOcjL)

223 Isn't going to happen for a variety of reasons. One, is that if Epstein was an intel IC, a lot of those files Bongino would never see--those would be CIA files. And it took over 60 years, several US laws, and Trump trying to pry those files out for his first administration.
Posted by: whig at July 11, 2025 06:08 PM (ctrM5)
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Yes, there are files at DoJ - which may not amount to much, because CIA has all the film and stuff, which includes foreign powers.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 06:09 PM (ZOv7s)

224

Everyone chill out. It's Friday afternoon, go do something fun.

Nothing will be resolved this weekend.

Posted by: four seasons at July 11, 2025 06:09 PM (3ek7K)

225
125

Tell me this ... honestly. Do you believe Epstein found the money to build an island and charter service dedicated to the transport of underage girls ... and he was the only one tapping those girls despite the whos who list of those on the island ?
Posted by: Doug Roberts at July 11, 2025 05:49 PM

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The salient unexplained aspect for me is that the 'clients,' johns, whatever had to be aware that their fun rooms were wired for video, and they attended anyway. 'Kompromat is the price of admission for upper level access to this thing of ours' has been offered, but it still doesn't hang together.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at July 11, 2025 06:09 PM (ES1Rb)

226 I’d still go with Karoline Leavitt over the Pamster.

Posted by: Bulg at July 11, 2025 06:09 PM (77rzZ)

227 Secret Service Agent Walked Away from It All Hardcover – November 19, 2013
by Dan Bongino (Author)

In part, "New York Times bestseller, Life Inside the Bubble is an intimate look at life inside the presidential “bubble,” a haze of staffers, consultants, cronies, acolytes, bureaucrats and lobbyists that creates the “alternate reality” in which monumental policy decisions are made.

And it is the story of a dedicated Secret Service professional who, after years inside the “bubble,” walked away in favor of sounding a clarion call to the American people in defense of sane government and the US Constitution."

Working into a pattern of conduct, Dan?
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Now Bondi's not up to federal games & garbage left from the prior administration. Has she no mentors? Are there no competent Senior Executive Service - executive, managerial, and policy-oriented - staff members left in Federal law enforcement agencies? Or very good attorneys and field personnel? Find them!

The 1st game of the dems is to pick off the women - every single one of them regardless of their competency. Next is the younger men who could easily carry into another administration, and so forth.

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at July 11, 2025 06:09 PM (NFX2v)

228 Certainly " Nothing to see hete" isn't a answer

Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2025 06:09 PM (+qU29)

229 201 Why did Andrew feel he needed to chase jailbait when he already had that lovely ginger Sarah Ferguson?
Posted by: Bulg
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Even before Sarah, Prince Andrew was known in the press as Randy Andy. Multiple nailing of any willing poon in the UK and abroad.

Posted by: whig at July 11, 2025 06:09 PM (ctrM5)

230 Heh, didn't someone say here that Brady was hitting on Sydney Sweeney the other week?

Evidently, man has discovered boobs.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 11, 2025 06:08 PM (zZu0s)
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A blind man could see Sweeney's, umm, assets.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 11, 2025 06:09 PM (tT6L1)

231 My guess is that there is still some significant obstruction within the FBI and the Justice Department and someone firmer is needed to break through.

Posted by: PG at July 11, 2025 06:10 PM (gQbO4)

232 Didn't Giuffre "kill herself" a couple months back?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 11, 2025 06:10 PM (BI5O2)

233 Posted by: Doug Roberts at July 11, 2025 06:08 PM (b8

How long did it take you to doubt Trump pissed on prostitutes?

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2025 06:10 PM (VofaG)

234 @165

maybe some are makin shit up. She was married 2 times, and is currently engaged to a dude who gave her that big ass ring
Posted by: runner at July 11, 2025 05:56 PM (g47mK)
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Maybe we have some Axios reporters here today.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 11, 2025 06:10 PM (36PRH)

235 "Isn't going to happen for a variety of reasons."

Plus his whole family would be killed. But let the chips fall IMHO. Let's see how the world functions with a little truth sprinkled on top.

Posted by: Hacked gp's Feed Off The Bird at July 11, 2025 06:10 PM (TwZXH)

236 >>Why do people always leave that part out?

That was a different DOJ. That was the DOJ that has been suing universities and defending the Trump administration against non-stop lawfare.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2025 06:10 PM (viF8m)

237 >>> 224

Everyone chill out. It's Friday afternoon, go do something fun.

Nothing will be resolved this weekend.

Posted by: four seasons at July 11, 2025 06:09 PM (3ek7K)

You're not the boss of me.

... I probably will have a beverage or two though.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 11, 2025 06:11 PM (ULPxl)

238 EpsteinEpsteinEpstein

Marsha Marsha Marsha...

Too funny

Posted by: man at July 11, 2025 06:11 PM (tubbA)

239 11 If it's being reported on Axios, it's probably bullshit.
Posted by: huerfano at July 11, 2025 05:21 PM (n2swS)

It's astounding these days how many articles turn out to be outright fiction. I don't know if this is such an article, but it might be.

Posted by: MrExcitement at July 11, 2025 06:11 PM (hOOi9)

240 I would like to know just what the List obsessives think is going to be on the List. At most it will be a set of contact names and phone numbers, and we already know who many of Epstein's contacts were. The way some people talk about it, it's like they think there's an invoice with entries like: "Bill Gates--a dozen Haitian minors for a private orgy", or "Prince Andrew--one 12-year-old, to go." In the movies, but not in reality. We don't want to get so hung up on this lurid sideshow that we lose sight of immigration enforcement, the cleanout of the bureaucracy, and other more pressing matters. The List is not a magic talisman that will wipe out evil forever when brought to light, if it even exists at all.

Posted by: Wiese at July 11, 2025 06:11 PM (W2RQ1)

241 224 BUT WE WANNA ARGUE!!!

Posted by: Bulg at July 11, 2025 06:11 PM (77rzZ)

242 Evidently, man has discovered boobs.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone
......

The greatest milestone in the record of humankind.

Posted by: wth at July 11, 2025 06:11 PM (v0R5T)

243 Why do people always leave that part out?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 06:08 PM (ZOv7s)

Why is it so unreasonable that she would have checked to make sure there was a list and she was in possession of it before putting out a press release?

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 11, 2025 06:12 PM (zZu0s)

244 232 Didn't Giuffre "kill herself" a couple months back?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dic

Yes after stating she was not suicidal in any way.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 11, 2025 06:12 PM (/U5Yz)

245 The salient unexplained aspect for me is that the 'clients,' johns, whatever had to be aware that their fun rooms were wired for video, and they attended anyway. 'Kompromat is the price of admission for upper level access to this thing of ours' has been offered, but it still doesn't hang together.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug
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Go back and read the wiki page on Craig Spence, late of the Reagan White House, and homosexual pimp including recordings during the 80's. Also you bump into the Boys Home Pedo scandal which occurred about the same time involving DC pols and so on.

Where power and money coexist, you will have these awful palace games by depraved courtiers that seek to parley sex into power and information.

Posted by: whig at July 11, 2025 06:12 PM (ctrM5)

246 I think, though, the infighting over Epstein is overblown. I seem to recall Judicial Watch has filed and won some preliminary case to get the Epstein files release.

https://tinyurl.com/34ptkcr7

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 11, 2025 06:12 PM (tT6L1)

247
My prediction:

Bondi survives
Bongos stays

Trump makes it work

Posted by: Don Black. Message: nothing will come of this at July 11, 2025 06:13 PM (AOsQT)

248 >>> 225

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The salient unexplained aspect for me is that the 'clients,' johns, whatever had to be aware that their fun rooms were wired for video, and they attended anyway. 'Kompromat is the price of admission for upper level access to this thing of ours' has been offered, but it still doesn't hang together.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at July 11, 2025 06:09 PM (ES1Rb)

Why not? Maybe it's not only blackmail, but also a test.

Would *you* do some of the rumored things, even if you were offered billions of dollars and zero accountability?

What kind of person *would*?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 11, 2025 06:13 PM (ULPxl)

249 Posted this morning that I was taking the weekend to ride the motorcycle off road for 300 miles of the Trans-America Trail, from Elkton,TN -to- just Sounth of Corinth, MS. Made it to my 1st night stop over in Waynesdorro, TN.

As luck would have it, I went down in a very low speed (like 1mph low speed) water crossing. Mossy moldy slick rock under about 8" of water. Could see the bottom. Had my feet out like training wheels to help support the bike, but the front wheel caught a small rock Crack and slipped right out from under me. Broke the left mirror, and drenched my lef leg quad muscles. This puts and end to my trip because I won't be able to lift the bike if I drop it again.

Ice, ibuprofen, elevation. I'll head home in the morning. This summer moose cock. Was looking forward to the rest of the trip.

Made multiple water crossings safely, one that was almost 2' deep too! Dang slippery full sunlight moss on the rock got me.

Posted by: BifBewalski at July 11, 2025 06:13 PM (lKa8O)

250 And now the bewb discussion begins...

Posted by: That guy who likes bewbs and thinks its beginning at July 11, 2025 06:13 PM (ZOv7s)

251 It's weird how often Conservative Principles involve quitting and going home with nothing actually being accomplished.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 06:01 PM

Trust, me, doing things that make you despise yourself will be the sort of thing that will get you to retirement, and probably dead within a year of that date, too. And you will not make any meaningful difference in the world.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 11, 2025 06:13 PM (D7oie)

252 I wonder how Melania feels about this?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 11, 2025 06:13 PM (/U5Yz)

253 Or shrugging shoulders and saying "oh well, just how things are, move along".
Posted by: Doug Roberts at July 11, 2025 06:02 PM (b8SxD)

What do you propose that the rest of us do that you have not done yourself?

Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at July 11, 2025 06:13 PM (89Sog)

254 @207

>>Including the part where USAID no longer exists?

That's great, but USAID was only one of the funding mechanisms for the Derp State.

And that has zero to do with exposing the Derp State Cabal that was running Epstein.

And fairly confident that there are other IC backed Epstein in circulation.

Carter Page was a version of Epstein, he wasn't trafficking in underage girls, but he was an IC asset that was intentionally circulating with "enemies" and then in turn interfacing with targets so that IC could have a hook to surveil the target.

None of what the Derp state is doing is directed at enemies, it's all directed at controlling politicians and the connected for their own diabolical ends and not making this country better or safer.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 11, 2025 06:13 PM (XV/Pl)

255 Why do people always leave that part out?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
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The parts we saw: Her touting that the files were coming out
Her handing out binders full of information
That contained nothing we did not already know.

Shotinfoot, bigtime.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 11, 2025 06:14 PM (Ri+6K)

256 243 Why do people always leave that part out?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 06:08 PM (ZOv7s)

Why is it so unreasonable that she would have checked to make sure there was a list and she was in possession of it before putting out a press release?

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at July 11, 2025 06:12 PM (zZu0s)

B/c it was early in her tenure and everyone makes mistakes, especially if they were relying on people they trusted...

Or are we forgetting Hegsgeth's early mistake when his own friend stabbed him in the back...

Posted by: Nova Local at July 11, 2025 06:14 PM (tOcjL)

257 Posted by: whig at July 11, 2025 06:12 PM (ctrM5)

Wilbur Mills and Fanne Foxxe.

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2025 06:15 PM (VofaG)

258 I'd put my money on Dan Bongino . The integrity to quit the secret service when he thought it was rotten. Patel is probably a good one too. Why is?
Bondi on fox news instead of in her office?

Posted by: JM in Illinois at July 11, 2025 06:15 PM (AtFJ+)

259 184 So I see that Tom Brady and Sophia Vergara are dating?

Big step up for Tom from that Giselle chick.
Posted by: Bulg at July 11, 2025 06:01 PM (77rzZ)

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I need to find that clip of her stirring chocolate milk on Modern Family.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 11, 2025 06:15 PM (36PRH)

260 Have read about a hundred comments.
People mentioning the vid here and there. Mostly 'a missing minute' stuff.

Nothing about how your not even looking at Epstein's cell door.
Not even looking at the door that looks into the area where his cell was.
Nothing about how long the vid was that was released or how many people were seen coming and going.
No, I'm not posting a link.
Easy enough for you to go to utube and search Benny Johnson.
Peruse the titles over the last 3 days.
That's where I'm headed back to.

Posted by: TeeJ at July 11, 2025 06:15 PM (5/wly)

261 Pam Bondi, you may remember, said that the "Epstein client list" was on her desk waiting to be released.
===

She also said if Obama had a son he'd look like Trayvon Martin.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 11, 2025 06:15 PM (/lPRQ)

262 Evidently, man has discovered boobs.
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone

*quits beating the dirt, drops bone*
*grabs womans hair, drags her to cave*

Posted by: wth at July 11, 2025 06:15 PM (v0R5T)

263 221 Bongo is supposedly telling Trump to fire his fucking Attorney General — a cabinet-level position significantly higher than Bongo’s — or Bongo will quit? Get the fuck out of here. Either Bongo is bongos, or this is bullshit. No fucking way will Trump fire his AG to keep a deputy FBI guy.
Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade

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I am reminded of Salmon P. Chase. Chase kept threatening to resign over and over again to get his way with President Lincoln in disputes. Finally, Lincoln calmly said to Chase, I accept. And Chase became ex-Treasury Secretary.

Posted by: whig at July 11, 2025 06:15 PM (ctrM5)

264 The parts we saw: Her touting that the files were coming out
Her handing out binders full of information
That contained nothing we did not already know.

Shotinfoot, bigtime.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 11, 2025 06:14 PM (Ri+6K)
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There was new material. Some folks dug right into it. It wasn't everything but it wasn't supposed to be.

Its real purpose was to purge DoJ, and it worked. If you can't see that, I can't help you.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at July 11, 2025 06:15 PM (ZOv7s)

265 26 I’d still go with Karoline Leavitt over the Pamster.
Posted by: Bulg

Karoline is 27, Pam is 60. The math isn't hard.

Posted by: Observer of the Passing Scene at July 11, 2025 06:15 PM (G5+As)

266 Blind guys probably enjoy boobs more than sighted ones do. It’s all tactile for them. They don’t even care if the lady’s good looking. Just feel up that precious mammary flesh.

Posted by: Bulg at July 11, 2025 06:15 PM (77rzZ)

267 So, do Ghislane Maxwell and Prince Edward get to see the nanager?

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at July 11, 2025 06:16 PM (QSrLX)

268 We could always take the tack of SuperHigh IQ Vox Day and claim that the reason Trump hasn't released the files is because he's been replaced by a double...

Posted by: Wiese at July 11, 2025 06:16 PM (W2RQ1)

269 nood

Posted by: Hacked gp's Feed Off The Bird at July 11, 2025 06:17 PM (TwZXH)

270 NOOD

week in woke

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 11, 2025 06:17 PM (ULPxl)

271 That's great, but USAID was only one of the funding mechanisms for the Derp State.

USAID was the CIAs slush fund. It was used to do regime changes, assasinations and other dirty deeds that weren't done dirt cheap.

It was also a large funder of the censorship machine that tried to take our voices away. It was the core of the cancer in the deep state. And they not only funded the Wuhan lab they sent it viruses. As in multiple.

Take their money and you take a huge part of their power.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2025 06:17 PM (viF8m)

272 You know what will make the base happier? Giving amnesty to illegal lettuce pickers and their families.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 11, 2025 06:17 PM (/U5Yz)

273 257 Posted by: whig at July 11, 2025 06:12 PM (ctrM5)

Wilbur Mills and Fanne Foxxe.
Posted by: polynikes
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I knew some of the folks behind Wilbur Mills. That one was just sad. Wilbur was a workaholic that found himself adrift by teh changes in Congress undercutting chairs and their power in favor of teh caucus running the show. Wilbur took to drinking and didn't last long after his retirement.

Wilbur Mills was one of the few Congress critters willing to go toe to toe with LBJ himself when Medicare was being debated. It would have been a much worse program fiscally had Mills (as the imperious chair of the Ways and Means) not said no to LBJ.

Posted by: whig at July 11, 2025 06:18 PM (ctrM5)

274 I am reminded of Salmon P. Chase. Chase kept threatening to resign over and over again to get his way with President Lincoln in disputes. Finally, Lincoln calmly said to Chase, I accept. And Chase became ex-Treasury Secretary.
Posted by: whig at July 11, 2025 06:15 PM (ctrM5)

Claim to fame now is being a trivia answer to who was on the $10,000 Bill.

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2025 06:18 PM (VofaG)

275 Bondi was one of the few lawyers who stepped forward to defend Trump during his impeachment hearing. She took a lot of abuse for that. The idea that she has gone rogue against Trump is dumb.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2025 05:43 PM (viF8m)

That makes it Trump's scandal rather than hers.

Posted by: Methos at July 11, 2025 06:19 PM (zLwRl)

276 Trump is referring to Hegseth as the Secretary Of War

this is a thing that is happening

https://tinyurl.com/yvpwvtvt

Posted by: Don Black. Message: nothing will come of this at July 11, 2025 06:19 PM (AOsQT)

277 268 We could always take the tack of SuperHigh IQ Vox Day and claim that the reason Trump hasn't released the files is because he's been replaced by a double...
Posted by: Wiese
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He has become an embarrassment to himself by such things.

Posted by: whig at July 11, 2025 06:19 PM (ctrM5)

278 They say Ramapithecus discovered boobs, but my money is on Homo Erectus.

Posted by: wth at July 11, 2025 06:19 PM (v0R5T)

279 Claim to fame now is being a trivia answer to who was on the $10,000 Bill.
Posted by: polynikes
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And a Chief Justice of Scotus.

Posted by: whig at July 11, 2025 06:20 PM (ctrM5)

280 I guess Kash and Bongino did some kind of turnaround about Epstein killing himself, since taking their positions. To me, it suggests that Epstein's death was faked by the Feds, so now they have to push the fiction.

We know that on rare occasions that the Feds DO do such things. If ever there was a reason to do it, it's with Epstein. Tons of powerful, high-profile people involved, as well as whatever high-level puppet masters were pulling Epstein's strings. To get his cooperation, he would NEED to fake die, and his death was as fake as any "suicide" by two shots to the back of the head.

Posted by: MrExcitement at July 11, 2025 06:20 PM (hOOi9)

281 That said, Pam Bondi was behind the Zimmermann prosecution, and likely knew that TrayVon's girlfriend who they put on the stand was a fake witness.
Posted by: MikeN

IIRC - She could not read a letter she had allegedly wrote...

.. and on and on the BS in the trial went.
I did find it hilarious when they brought in Treyvon's hoody tacked to a sheet of cardboard the size of a sheet of plywood. It was way ovewrsized or that thug had one hell of a wingspan.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 11, 2025 06:21 PM (/lPRQ)

282 Made multiple water crossings safely, one that was almost 2' deep too! Dang slippery full sunlight moss on the rock got me.
Posted by: BifBewalski

Old Hekawi saying: When shadow of wet bird fall on log,
Time out for beaver.

Posted by: Roaring Chicken at July 11, 2025 06:21 PM (G5+As)

283 >>That makes it Trump's scandal rather than hers.

If you think it's a scandal.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 11, 2025 06:22 PM (viF8m)

284 And a Chief Justice of Scotus.
Posted by: whig at July 11, 2025 06:20 PM (ctrM5)

Just not his claim to fame unfortunately.

Posted by: polynikes at July 11, 2025 06:23 PM (VofaG)

285 “This year has been the worst start to a new year, but I won’t bore anyone with the details but I think it important to note that when a school bus driver comes at you driving [60mph] as we were slowing for a turn that no matter what your car is made of it might as well be a tin can,” she wrote.

“I’ve gone into kidney renal failure, they’ve given me four days to live, transferring me to a specialist hospital in urology.

“I’m ready to go, just not until I see my babies one last time,” she added.Giuffre has recently been going through a devastating divorce with her husband, her father, Sky Roberts, told Dailymail.com.
_Virginia Giuffre

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 11, 2025 06:23 PM (Ri+6K)

286 "My first clue was her trying to railroad George Zimmerman into jail when she was Florida state AG..."

Yep. And nothing she's done since has changed my view of her.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at July 11, 2025 06:26 PM (eYAt4)

287 All you can do is manage the Deep State, never totally control it.
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Donald Trump did not campaign on controlling the Deep State.

He campaigned on obliterating it.

They tried to kill him twice. He needs to deal with them just as seriously.

Posted by: Methos at July 11, 2025 06:28 PM (zLwRl)

288 Evidently, man has discovered boobs.

==

Evidently his taste is improving.

Posted by: runner at July 11, 2025 06:30 PM (g47mK)

289 Wasn't the Queen who certainly knew exactly what was going on and throwing Andrew out of the family something to show thete was something to all of this?

Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2025 06:32 PM (+qU29)

290 Took 3 bottles of salt pills and will wait another week on this kerfuffle

Posted by: Ben Had at July 11, 2025 06:35 PM (HFcKg)

291 Wasn't the Queen who certainly knew exactly what was going on and throwing Andrew out of the family something to show thete was something to all of this?
Posted by: Skip at July 11, 2025 06:32 PM (+qU29)

Yes, but Trump says we shouldn't talk about it any more, and that's apparently enough for some people.

Posted by: Methos at July 11, 2025 06:36 PM (zLwRl)

292 "Axios Claims..."

I think I see the problem. Every reason to be skeptical of anything that comes out.

Now, I don't believe the spin coming from the Administration players directly involved with Epstein related material. Doesn't pass the smell test. But neither am I going to jump when Axios et al make any claims at all.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at July 11, 2025 06:47 PM (gLikB)

293 Aw, this was an extremely good post. Spending some time and actual effort to create a great article… but what can I say…
I hesitate a whole lot and never seem to get nearly anything done.

Posted by: LINK INDEXING at July 11, 2025 06:54 PM (as5kf)

294 Tell me this ... honestly. Do you believe Epstein found the money to build an island and charter service dedicated to the transport of underage girls ... and he was the only one tapping those girls despite the whos who list of those on the island ?
Posted by: Doug Roberts at July 11, 2025 05:49 PM (b8SxD)

No, don't think I do.

Posted by: ... at July 11, 2025 07:01 PM (E0p3T)

295 What do you propose that the rest of us do that you have not done yourself?

Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at July 11, 2025 06:13 PM (89Sog)

A simple start. Call out that its bullshit, and maybe even argue with the "Well, Trump doesn't mind so why do you mind" crowd. Small moves.

Posted by: Doug Roberts at July 11, 2025 07:55 PM (RmOaB)

296 Pam Blondi Joke

Posted by: TexasJew at July 11, 2025 08:25 PM (7OF7k)

297 First up, I doubt Epstein had an actual list with everybody's name on it. Lots of records, but no Grand Ledger. I seriously doubt that. So why doesn't the current admin release a "client list" that they compiled themselves? Several reasons, but the main one is this:

You're not thinking viciously enough.

I've heard very little about a victim list. Epstein's crimes had been going on for a long time and there's no way he workes alone. Someone we never heard of waa supplying children for him. I am certain there's a very dark reason so few of them have been heard from after the story broke. I don't think anyone knows how many kids are caught up in this or where they are, or what happens to them if these as-yet-unnamed are suddenly named.

Or maybe not. That's my guess, at least partly.

Posted by: Editor at July 11, 2025 09:32 PM (bbqkM)

298 The Epstein list promise has always been about self-aggrandisement. Releasing peoples names without establishing guilt through a fair trial is a legal nightmare and anyone named would, correctly, sue.

Bongino's theory that Epstein was running a blackmail/recruitment op for Mossad is moronic. The idea that the Israeli's would put a high-profile Jew in charge of an operation to ensnare a bunch of people of extremely dubious value is silly.

Furthermore, it simply isn't how those ops are run. You don't run them like a conveyer belt for years on end, you don't run them with such low levels of control and so precariously, particularly on shaky legal grounds that involve multiple crimes in the process, and the sorts of people you want to run into your trap are not caught out by millionaire's volunteering to fly them to their private sex island.

Posted by: stv at July 11, 2025 09:44 PM (XMeSM)

299 Whatever files existed before Trump took office were long destroyed by the time Trump took office.
We know that is the answer.

Posted by: Davros at July 11, 2025 11:45 PM (tDF3V)

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