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The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition
In Los Angeles, landscapers as well as framers are not showing up to job sites as President Donald Trump is carrying out his agenda and crack down on illegal immigration in cities around the nation. According to Bloomberg, LA, which erupted in riots against Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) earlier last month after ICE was conducting operations in the city, has been seeing low staffing in some industries that have relied on immigrant labor such as construction and landscaping. “We don’t have enough people to staff the work and we’re scrambling to figure it out,” said Arturo Sneider, the CEO at Primestor, a real major estate management company in California and two other states. “It’s triggering delays."
Well Arturo...tough shit. Pay a decent wage to legal workers and you will have your pick of legal employees. In fact, why don't you sponsor a job fair and some training programs for high school students who need jobs. Hell, expand that to every high school in the country. So we need framers? Great! I've done it, and it isn't that hard to learn. And a few weeks of instruction on how to run a leaf blower may even be within the skillset of some of our public school teachers! These are entry-level jobs and are just perfect for people just starting in the job market. America doesn't have a labor problem. There are plenty of people to fill these jobs, but not at the artificially low wages that the GOPe and the globalists prefer. Labor is governed by basic economic laws, just like everything else. But if the legal wage is higher than the illegal wage, the labor market is distorted, and does not function normally. As for relief for certain industries? No. America has seen too much variability in the application of the law, and a generation or two of rigid and vigorous application of labor and immigration law will do wonders for our respect for our institutions, and begin to repair the horrid damage that illegal immigration has done to our country. [Crossposted at CutJibNewsletter and X/Twitter] And the Apple and Spotify feeds for CJN's podcast should be working!
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MONKEY!
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 10, 2025 11:00 AM (N1DT3)
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Ummm... which headline says it alll?
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 10, 2025 11:01 AM (N1DT3)
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2 Ummm... which headline says it alll?
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 10, 2025 11:01 AM (N1DT3)
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It's a bit further down:
"LA needs construction, landscape workers as illegal immigrants stop showing up for work amid ICE enforcement"
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 10, 2025 11:01 AM (N1DT3)
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It's a bit further down:
"LA needs construction, landscape workers as illegal immigrants stop showing up for work amid ICE enforcement"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:01 AM (GBKbO)
Posted by: BruceWayne at July 10, 2025 11:02 AM (MGB5H)
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Pay a decent wage to legal workers and you will have your pick of legal employees.
Working in meatpacking plants was a good union job until the 1990's.
Then the meatpacking companies figured out that illegals were a lot cheaper.
Now, ICE is denounced for deporting the hard-working employees at meatpacking plants.
Working in meatpacking plants was a good union job until the 1990's.
Then the meatpacking companies figured out that illegals were a lot cheaper.
Now, ICE is denounced for deporting the hard-working employees at meatpacking plants.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 10, 2025 11:03 AM (xTIDn)
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If it's to be believed by some of the videos and pictures posted of traffic in and around L.A., it's dead. As in hardly any traffic. The cause? Purported to be a lack of illegals on the roads.
Someone estimated there were between 15 and 20 million of them.
YMMV
Someone estimated there were between 15 and 20 million of them.
YMMV
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 10, 2025 11:03 AM (Q4IgG)
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I saw an article about LA dwellers being shocked that their roads were no longer congested amidst all the ICE crackdowns.
Maybe you could even end the "housing crisis" in California by getting rid of all the illegals overwhelming it?
Watch housing prices come down and wages go up, and you might even have a viable middle class in California!
Maybe you could even end the "housing crisis" in California by getting rid of all the illegals overwhelming it?
Watch housing prices come down and wages go up, and you might even have a viable middle class in California!
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 10, 2025 11:03 AM (N1DT3)
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When we first moved to OK they passed a law that the first time your business was caught with an illegal you lost your business license for 6mo (in addition to hefty fines). Second time forever.
Posted by: BruceWayne at July 10, 2025 11:03 AM (MGB5H)
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WHO WILL CUT MY GRASS, CLEAN MY HOUSE, AND TAKE CARE OF MY CHILDREN?
Posted by: Typical Rich LA Resident! at July 10, 2025 11:05 AM (xTIDn)
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7 I saw an article about LA dwellers being shocked that their roads were no longer congested amidst all the ICE crackdowns.
Maybe you could even end the "housing crisis" in California by getting rid of all the illegals overwhelming it?
Watch housing prices come down and wages go up, and you might even have a viable middle class in California!
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 10, 2025 11:03 AM (N1DT3)
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Someone's been saying that rent prices are going to see an effect by mass deportations.
Also grocery prices.
And insurance rates.
Deporting a shit ton of illegals is going to have a lot of positive effects for people legally allowed to be in the United States.
And, besides, all those illegal astronomical engineers will build up the space programs of Guatemala and Honduras, helping their GDP!
Maybe you could even end the "housing crisis" in California by getting rid of all the illegals overwhelming it?
Watch housing prices come down and wages go up, and you might even have a viable middle class in California!
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 10, 2025 11:03 AM (N1DT3)
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Someone's been saying that rent prices are going to see an effect by mass deportations.
Also grocery prices.
And insurance rates.
Deporting a shit ton of illegals is going to have a lot of positive effects for people legally allowed to be in the United States.
And, besides, all those illegal astronomical engineers will build up the space programs of Guatemala and Honduras, helping their GDP!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:05 AM (GBKbO)
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So we need framers? Great! I've done it, and it isn't that hard to learn.
This guy gets it. I mean, you just stick the seed in the ground.
Oh ... framers
Never mind
Never mind.
This guy gets it. I mean, you just stick the seed in the ground.
Oh ... framers
Never mind
Never mind.
Posted by: Michael Bloomberg at July 10, 2025 11:05 AM (jc0TO)
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According to Bloomberg, LA, which erupted in riots against Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) earlier last month after ICE was conducting operations in the city
The stupid, she is real...
The stupid, she is real...
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 10, 2025 11:05 AM (mlg/3)
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Illegals don't generally buy car insurance.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2025 11:06 AM (zhBpy)
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Illegals don't generally buy car insurance.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2025 11:06 AM (zhBpy)
Which drives up rates for those who do when they cause a huge number of accidents.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2025 11:06 AM (zhBpy)
Which drives up rates for those who do when they cause a huge number of accidents.
Posted by: BruceWayne at July 10, 2025 11:07 AM (MGB5H)
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The majority of those illegal alien landscapers and construction workers came here with zero marketable skills. Just goes to show any warm body can be taught to do the same work, it's just that the employers don't want to pay people a living wage after taxes. Much easier to avoid all that legalese.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 10, 2025 11:07 AM (36PRH)
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13 Illegals don't generally buy car insurance.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2025 11:06 AM (zhBpy)
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Their crashes affect insurance rates of those that do, though.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2025 11:06 AM (zhBpy)
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Their crashes affect insurance rates of those that do, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:07 AM (GBKbO)
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2 Ummm... which headline says it alll?
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 10, 2025 11:01 AM (N1DT3)
Exactly what I said. I think CBD means the headline of the story he links. Which he knew... as he was writing the story. But we are merely 'rons. Non mind reading 'rons at that.
I am trying to think of some way to blame this on the french... cultural arrogance?
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 10, 2025 11:01 AM (N1DT3)
Exactly what I said. I think CBD means the headline of the story he links. Which he knew... as he was writing the story. But we are merely 'rons. Non mind reading 'rons at that.
I am trying to think of some way to blame this on the french... cultural arrogance?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 10, 2025 11:08 AM (bss/y)
Posted by: ERs across the nation at July 10, 2025 11:08 AM (JCZqz)
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Much easier to avoid all that legalese.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 10, 2025 11:07 AM (36PRH)
*fist bump*
-Jumanji Action Jackson
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 10, 2025 11:07 AM (36PRH)
*fist bump*
-Jumanji Action Jackson
Posted by: BruceWayne at July 10, 2025 11:08 AM (MGB5H)
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Their crashes affect insurance rates of those that do, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:07 AM (GBKbO)
See. It all works out!
-Insurance companies
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:07 AM (GBKbO)
See. It all works out!
-Insurance companies
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 10, 2025 11:08 AM (bss/y)
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Illegals don't generally buy car insurance.
Posted by: Boss Moss
Fun fact: illegals can purchase cut rate state insurance at the expense of CA taxpayers.
~*~*~* The More You Know ~*~*~*
Posted by: Boss Moss
Fun fact: illegals can purchase cut rate state insurance at the expense of CA taxpayers.
~*~*~* The More You Know ~*~*~*
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 10, 2025 11:08 AM (mlg/3)
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This is America, damn it, and we speak American!
North Carolina denies mom's homeschooling application because her college diploma was written in Latin
North Carolina denies mom's homeschooling application because her college diploma was written in Latin
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 10, 2025 11:08 AM (L/fGl)
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If it's to be believed by some of the videos and pictures posted of traffic in and around L.A., it's dead. As in hardly any traffic. The cause? Purported to be a lack of illegals on the roads.
Somewhat overblown - there is certainly a lot of congestion on LA freeways at the moment. (But I don't have a good sense of what the baseline is.)
Somewhat overblown - there is certainly a lot of congestion on LA freeways at the moment. (But I don't have a good sense of what the baseline is.)
Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 10, 2025 11:08 AM (xTIDn)
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7 I saw an article about LA dwellers being shocked that their roads were no longer congested amidst all the ICE crackdowns.
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Just checked traffic on google maps. A surprising amount of green in LA at 8:07 AM on a weekday.
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Just checked traffic on google maps. A surprising amount of green in LA at 8:07 AM on a weekday.
Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at July 10, 2025 11:08 AM (eb5mD)
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Now, ICE is denounced for deporting the hard-working employees at meatpacking plants.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
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History has been missing its ARC lately here. Hope you are doing well.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
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History has been missing its ARC lately here. Hope you are doing well.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 11:09 AM (ctrM5)
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"America doesn't have a labor problem. There are plenty of people to fill these jobs"
Preach it! That argument about no one to work the jobs grinds my gears.
Link goes to bls.gov labor participation chart. There's a massive amount of people who have left the work force. Simply replacing them is far different than bringing them back into the labor force.
https://tinyurl.com/32dzznvv
Preach it! That argument about no one to work the jobs grinds my gears.
Link goes to bls.gov labor participation chart. There's a massive amount of people who have left the work force. Simply replacing them is far different than bringing them back into the labor force.
https://tinyurl.com/32dzznvv
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at July 10, 2025 11:09 AM (pIfcn)
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Well Arturo...tough shit. Pay a decent wage to legal workers and you will have your pick of legal employees. In fact, why don't you sponsor a job fair and some training programs for high school students who need jobs.
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It wouldn't surprise me if there really aren't enough citizens in the LA area to do the work. And the pay would have to be huge to get them to come to a place as expensive to live as LA. But maybe they can get temp workers from all over the less expensive areas of the country to work for a few years to cash in when they move back to Nebraska or wherever.
_____
It wouldn't surprise me if there really aren't enough citizens in the LA area to do the work. And the pay would have to be huge to get them to come to a place as expensive to live as LA. But maybe they can get temp workers from all over the less expensive areas of the country to work for a few years to cash in when they move back to Nebraska or wherever.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at July 10, 2025 11:09 AM (Dv3i1)
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I may be only 29, but I know a lot of folks who remember when ICE was called the INS.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 10, 2025 11:09 AM (36PRH)
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I think the real reason behind the angst over deportations is the probable shift in representation in Congress. Maybe not blue to red, but an overall reduction in Congressional seats due to a decrease in population. IMO the illegals should have never been counted, locally or nationally for any other reason than how many deportations were needed.
The violence is purely politically driven by the Democrats and their sponsors who see their power being diluted.
The violence is purely politically driven by the Democrats and their sponsors who see their power being diluted.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 10, 2025 11:09 AM (Q4IgG)
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My son, the Rock Star, is doing construction and loves it. I told him he comes from a long line of carpenters and woodworkers. Working with your hands is fun. You create or restore shit. Working outdoors is fun. Sitting in front of a screen sucks donkey dicks.
Posted by: pudinhead at July 10, 2025 11:09 AM (W3T6M)
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This is America, damn it, and we speak American!
North Carolina denies mom's homeschooling application because her college diploma was written in Latin
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 10, 2025 11:08 AM
She should go back to Latin America.
North Carolina denies mom's homeschooling application because her college diploma was written in Latin
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 10, 2025 11:08 AM
She should go back to Latin America.
Posted by: Michael Bloomberg at July 10, 2025 11:09 AM (jc0TO)
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27 It wouldn't surprise me if there really aren't enough citizens in the LA area to do the work. And the pay would have to be huge to get them to come to a place as expensive to live as LA. But maybe they can get temp workers from all over the less expensive areas of the country to work for a few years to cash in when they move back to Nebraska or wherever.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at July 10, 2025 11:09 AM (Dv3i1)
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If there aren't enough people to do the work, does that affect how much work needs to be done?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at July 10, 2025 11:09 AM (Dv3i1)
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If there aren't enough people to do the work, does that affect how much work needs to be done?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:10 AM (GBKbO)
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may be only 29, but I know a lot of folks who remember when ICE was called the INS.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 10, 2025 11:09 AM (36PR
Won bar trivia a number of years ago for knowing that and what it stood for. Think I was the only one there that did.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 10, 2025 11:09 AM (36PR
Won bar trivia a number of years ago for knowing that and what it stood for. Think I was the only one there that did.
Posted by: BruceWayne at July 10, 2025 11:10 AM (MGB5H)
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22 This is America, damn it, and we speak American!
North Carolina denies mom's homeschooling application because her college diploma was written in Latin
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World
When did diplomas start being written in English? I must be old.
North Carolina denies mom's homeschooling application because her college diploma was written in Latin
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World
When did diplomas start being written in English? I must be old.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at July 10, 2025 11:10 AM (Dv3i1)
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29 I think the real reason behind the angst over deportations is the probable shift in representation in Congress. Maybe not blue to red, but an overall reduction in Congressional seats due to a decrease in population. IMO the illegals should have never been counted, locally or nationally for any other reason than how many deportations were needed.
The violence is purely politically driven by the Democrats and their sponsors who see their power being diluted.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 10, 2025 11:09 AM (Q4IgG)
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Probably a host of interconnected motives. Representation is one. Cloward-Piven is another. Corruption through government grants is another. True believers is a fourth.
The violence is purely politically driven by the Democrats and their sponsors who see their power being diluted.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 10, 2025 11:09 AM (Q4IgG)
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Probably a host of interconnected motives. Representation is one. Cloward-Piven is another. Corruption through government grants is another. True believers is a fourth.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:11 AM (GBKbO)
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Or health insurance...
Remember when it was a filthy lie that Obamacare would provide free health insurance to illegals?
Mayor Karen Bass:
Patients are skipping life-saving care out of fear of ICE, with no-shows doubling in some L.A. hospitals.
I worked in the Emergency Room — I know firsthand how dangerous this is.
This assault on our city must end.
Remember when it was a filthy lie that Obamacare would provide free health insurance to illegals?
Mayor Karen Bass:
Patients are skipping life-saving care out of fear of ICE, with no-shows doubling in some L.A. hospitals.
I worked in the Emergency Room — I know firsthand how dangerous this is.
This assault on our city must end.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 10, 2025 11:11 AM (xTIDn)
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If there aren't enough people to do the work, does that affect how much work needs to be done?
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There's an equilibrium somewhere, no idea how it will get there.
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There's an equilibrium somewhere, no idea how it will get there.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at July 10, 2025 11:11 AM (Dv3i1)
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How did they know it was Latin? Grok?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2025 11:11 AM (zhBpy)
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15 The majority of those illegal alien landscapers and construction workers came here with zero marketable skills. Just goes to show any warm body can be taught to do the same work, it's just that the employers don't want to pay people a living wage after taxes. Much easier to avoid all that legalese.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO
Bingo. It also produces more profit for the business owners as typically labor costs are about 80 percent or more. So what if their employees off duty murder, rape, pillage, and drive drunk and gobble up free welfare bennies. The owner got his stack, jack.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO
Bingo. It also produces more profit for the business owners as typically labor costs are about 80 percent or more. So what if their employees off duty murder, rape, pillage, and drive drunk and gobble up free welfare bennies. The owner got his stack, jack.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 11:12 AM (ctrM5)
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That a CEO was completely comfortable offering a public comment about hiring illegals speaks to the heart of the problem.
One that will likely resurface once Trump is gone.
One that will likely resurface once Trump is gone.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 10, 2025 11:12 AM (j/vBG)
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Pull my finger.
Posted by: The Invisible Hand at July 10, 2025 11:12 AM (jc0TO)
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Angela McArdle
@RealAngelaMc
4m
So far, I have not seen any photos or first hand accounts of anyone eaten by an alligator but I remain both optimistic that my friends are telling the truth and horrified at the situation
@RealAngelaMc
4m
So far, I have not seen any photos or first hand accounts of anyone eaten by an alligator but I remain both optimistic that my friends are telling the truth and horrified at the situation
Posted by: Kindltot at July 10, 2025 11:12 AM (D7oie)
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I seem to recall that one of the recent ICE busts at a packing plant (chicken?) nabbed many illegal aliens. And was used as an example of how Americans DO want to do the work - they needed new workers, they did job fairs or similar, and there were a bunch of Americans at the door trying to get employed.
But another aspect was the Social Security fraud - the illegal aliens apparently "passed" the system because their SSN info appeared legit. Mostly because they were using stolen numbers and info. So the I-9 or whatever came back as "Legit!" despite being far from it.
How many victims had their lives ruined because the IRS went after them? Wages garnished, refunds unfunded, even having to deal with courts when they didn't do a single thing wrong - someone else, who didn't even follow the law to get into the country, screwed them over.
Hopefully that's something the DOGE team has been working on, even without Elon Musk at the helm.
But another aspect was the Social Security fraud - the illegal aliens apparently "passed" the system because their SSN info appeared legit. Mostly because they were using stolen numbers and info. So the I-9 or whatever came back as "Legit!" despite being far from it.
How many victims had their lives ruined because the IRS went after them? Wages garnished, refunds unfunded, even having to deal with courts when they didn't do a single thing wrong - someone else, who didn't even follow the law to get into the country, screwed them over.
Hopefully that's something the DOGE team has been working on, even without Elon Musk at the helm.
Posted by: Another Anon at July 10, 2025 11:12 AM (eHGF2)
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I can't wait for all these employers to start complaining about the artificially high minimum wage, now that they have to actually pay it!
Posted by: drocity at July 10, 2025 11:12 AM (SWJcb)
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Thx CBD. I'm sure the RINOs are try to get Trump's ear about losing cheap labor. Americans will do the jobs to cronies
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 10, 2025 11:13 AM (JtH6i)
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37 If there aren't enough people to do the work, does that affect how much work needs to be done?
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There's an equilibrium somewhere, no idea how it will get there.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at July 10, 2025 11:11 AM (Dv3i1)
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Well, just imagine road work.
If suddenly the population of LA drops, is all the road work to expand lanes and such required? If not, then the need for labor then decreases as well.
Or commercial construction. If the economy of LA suddenly contracts because a tenth of the populations tops participating, or whatever, how many new commercial buildings need to be built? Or residential construction?
Or clerks in shops?
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There's an equilibrium somewhere, no idea how it will get there.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at July 10, 2025 11:11 AM (Dv3i1)
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Well, just imagine road work.
If suddenly the population of LA drops, is all the road work to expand lanes and such required? If not, then the need for labor then decreases as well.
Or commercial construction. If the economy of LA suddenly contracts because a tenth of the populations tops participating, or whatever, how many new commercial buildings need to be built? Or residential construction?
Or clerks in shops?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:13 AM (GBKbO)
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>>If there aren't enough people to do the work, does that affect how much work needs to be done?
There's an equilibrium somewhere, no idea how it will get there.
Posted by: Chuck Martel
You guys are sounding parabolic.
There's an equilibrium somewhere, no idea how it will get there.
Posted by: Chuck Martel
You guys are sounding parabolic.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 10, 2025 11:13 AM (mlg/3)
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Just quickly looking at the primestor website, they seem to present a woke face to the world. Maybe that's good business for them for some reason but it sets off my Soros detector.
Posted by: Oglebay at July 10, 2025 11:13 AM (MMp6W)
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Maybe Arturo should cut his own salary to pay for American workers.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 10, 2025 11:14 AM (hY4dx)
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"LA needs construction, landscape workers as illegal immigrants stop showing up for work amid ICE enforcement"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Not showing up for work? Are they staying at home? Are they still in the country? Where's the rest of the facts, journalist?
"LA needs construction, landscape workers as illegal immigrants stop showing up for work amid ICE enforcement"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Not showing up for work? Are they staying at home? Are they still in the country? Where's the rest of the facts, journalist?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 10, 2025 11:14 AM (UmB+t)
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History has been missing its ARC lately here. Hope you are doing well.
Thanks.
Had my appendix explode, but am doing fine now, after a lengthy recovery.
It's the one medical problem that you only have once.
Thanks.
Had my appendix explode, but am doing fine now, after a lengthy recovery.
It's the one medical problem that you only have once.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 10, 2025 11:14 AM (xTIDn)
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Ummm... which headline says it alll?
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 10, 2025 11:01 AM (N1DT3)
This one speaks volumes:
California bishop lifts Sunday Mass obligation for churchgoers fearful of ICE raids. Link goes to pmsnbc
https://tinyurl.com/2saktycv+
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 10, 2025 11:01 AM (N1DT3)
This one speaks volumes:
California bishop lifts Sunday Mass obligation for churchgoers fearful of ICE raids. Link goes to pmsnbc
https://tinyurl.com/2saktycv+
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 10, 2025 11:15 AM (N39Ws)
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51Had my appendix explode, but am doing fine now, after a lengthy recovery.
It's the one medical problem that you only have once.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 10, 2025 11:14 AM (xTIDn)
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Dude.
Hard core.
Glad you're feeling better.
It's the one medical problem that you only have once.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 10, 2025 11:14 AM (xTIDn)
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Dude.
Hard core.
Glad you're feeling better.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:15 AM (GBKbO)
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Speaking of alligators...
The latest hate crime? Taking selfies with the "Alligator Alcatraz" sign and posting them on your socials.
the sadz... the left has 'em.
The latest hate crime? Taking selfies with the "Alligator Alcatraz" sign and posting them on your socials.
the sadz... the left has 'em.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 10, 2025 11:15 AM (Q4IgG)
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Mexico must need roofers by now.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2025 11:15 AM (zhBpy)
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54 Speaking of alligators...
The latest hate crime? Taking selfies with the "Alligator Alcatraz" sign and posting them on your socials.
the sadz... the left has 'em.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 10, 2025 11:15 AM (Q4IgG)
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Remember. It's cool to follow the rules of humorless scolds.
The latest hate crime? Taking selfies with the "Alligator Alcatraz" sign and posting them on your socials.
the sadz... the left has 'em.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 10, 2025 11:15 AM (Q4IgG)
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Remember. It's cool to follow the rules of humorless scolds.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:15 AM (GBKbO)
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Good luck with the I-9 when these illegals have social security numbers/cards. The problem is the identity/number theft. My mother went through this working HR. Was sent to classes by the company. The cards were issued by the government. The only way she was able to catch people was to call them by the name on the card to the office………they’d forget their name.
Sure, employers need to not hire illegals, no argument. Problem is government not doing their job in the first place solving this problem. When illegals have all the proper documentation that is gov issued and not counterfeit, what is the employer supposed to do?
Sure, employers need to not hire illegals, no argument. Problem is government not doing their job in the first place solving this problem. When illegals have all the proper documentation that is gov issued and not counterfeit, what is the employer supposed to do?
Posted by: JROD at July 10, 2025 11:15 AM (IlL6s)
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Costs will rise as employers have to pay a fair wage or more to get Americans to do the work that illegals used to do. But people will be making more so it will cancel out.
We are on the cusp of an American renaissance. No illegals from third world countries are invited.
We are on the cusp of an American renaissance. No illegals from third world countries are invited.
Posted by: Diabeetus at July 10, 2025 11:16 AM (S+el1)
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I was the Latin from Manhattan!
Posted by: Cesar Romero at July 10, 2025 11:16 AM (G5+As)
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“We don’t have enough people to staff the work and we’re scrambling to figure it out,” said Arturo Sneider, the CEO at Primestor, a real major estate management company in California and two other states. “It’s triggering delays."
There are 350M people in the US, and many of the news items I see are "massive job losses coming because of AI"
So...I don't buy this.
Now, he might have to raise salaries and therefore the prices he charges, but if everyone is forced to stop hiring illegals this will leave them all in an equal position.
There are 350M people in the US, and many of the news items I see are "massive job losses coming because of AI"
So...I don't buy this.
Now, he might have to raise salaries and therefore the prices he charges, but if everyone is forced to stop hiring illegals this will leave them all in an equal position.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:16 AM (t0Rmr)
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How many victims had their lives ruined because the IRS went after them? Wages garnished, refunds unfunded, even having to deal with courts when they didn't do a single thing wrong - someone else, who didn't even follow the law to get into the country, screwed them over.
Posted by: Another Anon
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A number of them did, and their stories are awful. People denied needed benefits for YEARS. I don't know why it takes so long to get that straightened out.
How many victims had their lives ruined because the IRS went after them? Wages garnished, refunds unfunded, even having to deal with courts when they didn't do a single thing wrong - someone else, who didn't even follow the law to get into the country, screwed them over.
Posted by: Another Anon
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A number of them did, and their stories are awful. People denied needed benefits for YEARS. I don't know why it takes so long to get that straightened out.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 10, 2025 11:17 AM (UmB+t)
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CBD,
Amen
Amen
Posted by: Useless Eater at July 10, 2025 11:17 AM (Aegdl)
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52 Ummm... which headline says it alll?
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 10, 2025 11:01 AM (N1DT3)
This one speaks volumes:
California bishop lifts Sunday Mass obligation for churchgoers fearful of ICE raids. Link goes to pmsnbc
https://tinyurl.com/2saktycv+
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 10, 2025 11:15 AM (N39Ws)
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I guess the optics of asking for an indulgence, I mean donation, in lieu of attending mass didn't occur yo him.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 10, 2025 11:01 AM (N1DT3)
This one speaks volumes:
California bishop lifts Sunday Mass obligation for churchgoers fearful of ICE raids. Link goes to pmsnbc
https://tinyurl.com/2saktycv+
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at July 10, 2025 11:15 AM (N39Ws)
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I guess the optics of asking for an indulgence, I mean donation, in lieu of attending mass didn't occur yo him.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 10, 2025 11:17 AM (36PRH)
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If suddenly the population of LA drops, is all the road work to expand lanes and such required? If not, then the need for labor then decreases as well.
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Whether they expand them or not, the freeways and major streets here are crumbling into rubble. They used to be among the best in the nation.
For all that I pay in taxes, is it too much to ask that some of it gets spent on something as basic as maintaining the damn roads?
No. We're getting High Speed Rail and Low Income Housing instead.
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Whether they expand them or not, the freeways and major streets here are crumbling into rubble. They used to be among the best in the nation.
For all that I pay in taxes, is it too much to ask that some of it gets spent on something as basic as maintaining the damn roads?
No. We're getting High Speed Rail and Low Income Housing instead.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 10, 2025 11:17 AM (hY4dx)
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Costs will rise as employers have to pay a fair wage or more to get Americans to do the work that illegals used to do. But people will be making more so it will cancel out.
And remember as well 90% of the illegals are on welfare. Not only are they taking low skill jobs, but they are costing us $$$ in taxes.
And remember as well 90% of the illegals are on welfare. Not only are they taking low skill jobs, but they are costing us $$$ in taxes.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:18 AM (t0Rmr)
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37 If there aren't enough people to do the work, does that affect how much work needs to be done?
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There's an equilibrium somewhere, no idea how it will get there.
Posted by: Chuck Martel
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Markets work wonders--e.g. if the task is too labor intensive at wage rates, either prices for that task go up causing buyers to question whether it is needed or in the long run--high labor costs often lead to mechanization and changes in cultivation patterns.
Extensive gardening in HOAs, business parks, and all sorts of real estate land grooming requirements require a cheap ass level of labor that is only sustainable with cheap labor pricing.
Move to zero scaping, etc. reduced plantings of screens so mowing is easier, and so on is one example of that.
Agriculture needs chemicals, etc. and labor, grooming people's home lawns much less so and excessive yard wastes from fertilizers, lawn chemicals, etc. run off into the various ditches, creeks, etc. into a lot of drinking water for suburbs and cities.
Farmers are more careful about using those chemicals, in part due to price+application, and second, because they can negatively affect soils.
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There's an equilibrium somewhere, no idea how it will get there.
Posted by: Chuck Martel
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Markets work wonders--e.g. if the task is too labor intensive at wage rates, either prices for that task go up causing buyers to question whether it is needed or in the long run--high labor costs often lead to mechanization and changes in cultivation patterns.
Extensive gardening in HOAs, business parks, and all sorts of real estate land grooming requirements require a cheap ass level of labor that is only sustainable with cheap labor pricing.
Move to zero scaping, etc. reduced plantings of screens so mowing is easier, and so on is one example of that.
Agriculture needs chemicals, etc. and labor, grooming people's home lawns much less so and excessive yard wastes from fertilizers, lawn chemicals, etc. run off into the various ditches, creeks, etc. into a lot of drinking water for suburbs and cities.
Farmers are more careful about using those chemicals, in part due to price+application, and second, because they can negatively affect soils.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 11:18 AM (ctrM5)
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Who will replace the illegals on the welfare rolls?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2025 11:19 AM (zhBpy)
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And remember as well 90% of the illegals are on welfare. Not only are they taking low skill jobs, but they are costing us $$$ in taxes.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:18 AM (t0Rmr)
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AND not paying for healthcare insurance.
And remember as well 90% of the illegals are on welfare. Not only are they taking low skill jobs, but they are costing us $$$ in taxes.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:18 AM (t0Rmr)
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AND not paying for healthcare insurance.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 10, 2025 11:19 AM (36PRH)
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1+ million already self-deported.
This is before doing any of these, which Trump can do:
1) Requiring all Section 8 landlords to certify under penalty of perjury that their tenants are citizens/Lawful Permanent Residents
2) Requiring all gov. contractors to certify under penalty of perjury that all their employees are citizens/LPR
3) Requiring all Medicare/Medicaid providers to certify all recipients are citizens/LPR
And that's before announcing that every business has 6 months to confirm all employees are citizens/LPR, after which the owners and executives will be arrested if not in compliance.
None of these require a single ICE arrest.
But, it'll lead to at least 10 million self-deporting.
This is before doing any of these, which Trump can do:
1) Requiring all Section 8 landlords to certify under penalty of perjury that their tenants are citizens/Lawful Permanent Residents
2) Requiring all gov. contractors to certify under penalty of perjury that all their employees are citizens/LPR
3) Requiring all Medicare/Medicaid providers to certify all recipients are citizens/LPR
And that's before announcing that every business has 6 months to confirm all employees are citizens/LPR, after which the owners and executives will be arrested if not in compliance.
None of these require a single ICE arrest.
But, it'll lead to at least 10 million self-deporting.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 10, 2025 11:19 AM (VlU/R)
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If suddenly the population of LA drops, is all the road work to expand lanes and such required? If not, then the need for labor then decreases as well.
I suspect most of the 10% or so of illegals that work have longish commutes. They certainly can't afford to live in the blue enclaves they work in.
So this should also significantly reduce traffic
I suspect most of the 10% or so of illegals that work have longish commutes. They certainly can't afford to live in the blue enclaves they work in.
So this should also significantly reduce traffic
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:20 AM (t0Rmr)
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Second look at the Russian government?
Authorities in Moscow on Tuesday designated Yale University as an “undesirable” organization, accusing the U.S. institution of trying to destabilize the country and training Russian activists to oppose the Kremlin.
Just wait until they find out what Yale is doing in the United States...
Authorities in Moscow on Tuesday designated Yale University as an “undesirable” organization, accusing the U.S. institution of trying to destabilize the country and training Russian activists to oppose the Kremlin.
Just wait until they find out what Yale is doing in the United States...
Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 10, 2025 11:20 AM (xTIDn)
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Whether they expand them or not, the freeways and major streets here are crumbling into rubble. They used to be among the best in the nation.
For all that I pay in taxes, is it too much to ask that some of it gets spent on something as basic as maintaining the damn roads?
No. We're getting High Speed Rail and Low Income Housing instead.
Posted by: Cicero
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Work on a popular initiative to kill blanket primaries, kill cheat by mail, etc. You have to kill teh rigging and cheating in your elections before you can start to fix what is a problem.
For all that I pay in taxes, is it too much to ask that some of it gets spent on something as basic as maintaining the damn roads?
No. We're getting High Speed Rail and Low Income Housing instead.
Posted by: Cicero
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Work on a popular initiative to kill blanket primaries, kill cheat by mail, etc. You have to kill teh rigging and cheating in your elections before you can start to fix what is a problem.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 11:20 AM (ctrM5)
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‘ Someone estimated there were between 15 and 20 million of them.’
No doubt someone can make an argument where illegals are needed for this job or that and I would agree with them.
But all of those arguments fell away for me when I compare it to the numbers above. There’s no problem in this country where the right answer is to import an entire country of people.
‘ Someone estimated there were between 15 and 20 million of them.’
No doubt someone can make an argument where illegals are needed for this job or that and I would agree with them.
But all of those arguments fell away for me when I compare it to the numbers above. There’s no problem in this country where the right answer is to import an entire country of people.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 10, 2025 11:20 AM (jbnUc)
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Beautifully said and accurate! Basic economics.
Posted by: H at July 10, 2025 11:20 AM (2gjbv)
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I also enjoy the same people insisting that we must let in unlimited unskilled workers complaining that the minimum wage is too low.
supply and demand is racist, yo!
supply and demand is racist, yo!
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at July 10, 2025 11:21 AM (pIfcn)
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They certainly can't afford to live in the blue enclaves they work in.
When you live five to a room, it gets easier.
When you live five to a room, it gets easier.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 10, 2025 11:21 AM (xTIDn)
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No. We're getting High Speed Rail and Low Income Housing instead.
Posted by: Cicero
The plot of True Detective Season 2 centers on the CA elites stealing the High Speed Rail money.
As we are 10 years in and there is no high speed rail I suspect the real world miscreants did an even better job stealing it then their fictional counterparts
Posted by: Cicero
The plot of True Detective Season 2 centers on the CA elites stealing the High Speed Rail money.
As we are 10 years in and there is no high speed rail I suspect the real world miscreants did an even better job stealing it then their fictional counterparts
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:22 AM (t0Rmr)
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For all that I pay in taxes, is it too much to ask that some of it gets spent on something as basic as maintaining the damn roads?
No. We're getting High Speed Rail and Low Income Housing instead.
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Sorry, but I'm more convinced that the bulk of what we're all getting from our taxes is *grift* followed by a smattering of programs designed to spend money on behalf of illegals. The powers that be literally don't care about the citizens or the streets or the roads or crime.
No. We're getting High Speed Rail and Low Income Housing instead.
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Sorry, but I'm more convinced that the bulk of what we're all getting from our taxes is *grift* followed by a smattering of programs designed to spend money on behalf of illegals. The powers that be literally don't care about the citizens or the streets or the roads or crime.
Posted by: Crusader at July 10, 2025 11:23 AM (TN0g+)
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1) Requiring all Section 8 landlords to certify under penalty of perjury that their tenants are citizens/Lawful Permanent Residents
2) Requiring all gov. contractors to certify under penalty of perjury that all their employees are citizens/LPR
3) Requiring all Medicare/Medicaid providers to certify all recipients are citizens/LPR
I'd add a fourth one here - arrest government employees that provide aid of any sort to illegals. Then follow up with the NGOs through which the money is usually laundered
2) Requiring all gov. contractors to certify under penalty of perjury that all their employees are citizens/LPR
3) Requiring all Medicare/Medicaid providers to certify all recipients are citizens/LPR
I'd add a fourth one here - arrest government employees that provide aid of any sort to illegals. Then follow up with the NGOs through which the money is usually laundered
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:23 AM (t0Rmr)
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There is also the fact that employers are competing against the welfare system and in the case of teenagers competing against the allowance from mom and dad, free rent with good wifi etc etc. It is not just "pay a decent wage and workers will show up",
People who choose not to work may not know what calculus is, but they are performing a calculus of sorts to determine if the meager bump in income they can get by taking an entry level job is worth losing that many hours of free time. Welfare reform would help. Capping how many years you can draw welfare; if you can never hold a job, that is a disability situation, jump through those hoops. Also they should not take away a dollar in benefits per dollar earned. Change the rules so you can keep your bennies and work say 10 hours a week at a very starter job to prove to employers you know how to show up; then do a sliding percent reduction, and have the social workers explaining that "with the earned income tax credit you will get that money when you file your taxes.
People who choose not to work may not know what calculus is, but they are performing a calculus of sorts to determine if the meager bump in income they can get by taking an entry level job is worth losing that many hours of free time. Welfare reform would help. Capping how many years you can draw welfare; if you can never hold a job, that is a disability situation, jump through those hoops. Also they should not take away a dollar in benefits per dollar earned. Change the rules so you can keep your bennies and work say 10 hours a week at a very starter job to prove to employers you know how to show up; then do a sliding percent reduction, and have the social workers explaining that "with the earned income tax credit you will get that money when you file your taxes.
Posted by: PaleRider at July 10, 2025 11:23 AM (bP/i4)
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F5 seems to be broken.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2025 11:23 AM (zhBpy)
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This isn't going to go well, is it?
@Reuters 43m
Grok AI to be available in Tesla vehicles next week, Musk says
@Reuters 43m
Grok AI to be available in Tesla vehicles next week, Musk says
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 10, 2025 11:23 AM (mlg/3)
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@Reuters 43m
Grok AI to be available in Tesla vehicles next week, Musk says
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 10, 2025 11:23 AM (mlg/3)
F' Elon and the Tesla he rode in on...
@Reuters 43m
Grok AI to be available in Tesla vehicles next week, Musk says
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 10, 2025 11:23 AM (mlg/3)
F' Elon and the Tesla he rode in on...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2025 11:25 AM (VE6XX)
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Sorry, but I'm more convinced that the bulk of what we're all getting from our taxes is *grift* followed by a smattering of programs designed to spend money on behalf of illegals. The powers that be literally don't care about the citizens or the streets or the roads or crime.
The federal government is spending 4X of what it did when Shrub came into office. And in that time there have been several significant improvements in the ability to render services using the internet.
Yet services provided to citizens are generally slower, more error prone, and require more paperwork.
So where is that $6T/year going? And the answer is the pockets of the uniparty and their clients.
The federal government is spending 4X of what it did when Shrub came into office. And in that time there have been several significant improvements in the ability to render services using the internet.
Yet services provided to citizens are generally slower, more error prone, and require more paperwork.
So where is that $6T/year going? And the answer is the pockets of the uniparty and their clients.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:25 AM (t0Rmr)
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A nice fine levied against every employer who employs illegals would be a fine start.
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Tangentially related to this concept I was pleased to note in the Morning Report that the FTC head Andrew Ferguson is looking into pursuing a course of action against Gender Transition hospitals, clinics, and individuals on the basis of consumer fraud, as opposed to treating it as a medical issue. Strip that fig leaf of "For The Chirrens" away.
This is the sort of outside-the-box thinking that I like from this administration. I hope it gains traction
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Tangentially related to this concept I was pleased to note in the Morning Report that the FTC head Andrew Ferguson is looking into pursuing a course of action against Gender Transition hospitals, clinics, and individuals on the basis of consumer fraud, as opposed to treating it as a medical issue. Strip that fig leaf of "For The Chirrens" away.
This is the sort of outside-the-box thinking that I like from this administration. I hope it gains traction
Posted by: muldoon at July 10, 2025 11:25 AM (poXs5)
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Watch “The View” Relentlessly Batter President Trump – “He Doesn’t Believe In the Constitution”
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Well, he may not be the constitutional scholar that Justice Jumangi is.
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Well, he may not be the constitutional scholar that Justice Jumangi is.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 10, 2025 11:25 AM (L/fGl)
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67 Who will replace the illegals on the welfare rolls?
Posted by: Boss Moss
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Reduce the pressure on welfare rolls by having a job market for the former layabouts. Late Clinton years had low inflation, high labor participation rates, and mostly native employment due to Gingrich TANF rules, etc.
Don't like Clinton much but it is true what they said, a job earning cash is the best social welfare program out there. Strong job markets reduce crime, reduce drug use, and reduce other bad habits like generational welfare families.
That means, however, you keep out foreign labor to compete.
Every nation that lets in cheap labor from abroad is guaranteed higher crime, more internal disorder, and shittier living conditions for the natives. Those that keep immigration barriers high, even if the society is relatively poor, the civil society can compensate sustaining low crime, and decent living conditions--Japan is an example.
Posted by: Boss Moss
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Reduce the pressure on welfare rolls by having a job market for the former layabouts. Late Clinton years had low inflation, high labor participation rates, and mostly native employment due to Gingrich TANF rules, etc.
Don't like Clinton much but it is true what they said, a job earning cash is the best social welfare program out there. Strong job markets reduce crime, reduce drug use, and reduce other bad habits like generational welfare families.
That means, however, you keep out foreign labor to compete.
Every nation that lets in cheap labor from abroad is guaranteed higher crime, more internal disorder, and shittier living conditions for the natives. Those that keep immigration barriers high, even if the society is relatively poor, the civil society can compensate sustaining low crime, and decent living conditions--Japan is an example.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 11:26 AM (ctrM5)
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Grok AI to be available in Tesla vehicles next week, Musk says
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Drive you to the donut shop? I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.
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Drive you to the donut shop? I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.
Posted by: Grok 9000 at July 10, 2025 11:26 AM (Dv3i1)
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People who choose not to work may not know what calculus is, but they are performing a calculus of sorts to determine if the meager bump in income they can get by taking an entry level job is worth losing that many hours of free time.
In most of the big blue shitties getting an entry level job means a reduction in your income (from welfare). So why the hell would ANYONE there work not under the table?
In most of the big blue shitties getting an entry level job means a reduction in your income (from welfare). So why the hell would ANYONE there work not under the table?
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:26 AM (t0Rmr)
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Ummm... which headline says it alll?
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 10, 2025 11:01 AM (N1DT3)
It makes you read the content.
[Content? What content?]
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 10, 2025 11:01 AM (N1DT3)
It makes you read the content.
[Content? What content?]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Conspiracy Theorist at July 10, 2025 11:26 AM (Gj5e6)
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So where is that $6T/year going? And the answer is the pockets of the uniparty and their clients.
USAID was a classic example. Most of the money spent on "foreign aid" never got outside the Beltway.
USAID was a classic example. Most of the money spent on "foreign aid" never got outside the Beltway.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 10, 2025 11:27 AM (xTIDn)
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Ummm... which headline says it alll?
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 10, 2025 11:01 AM (N1DT3)
If you skip all the boilerplate above the comments you can avoid these confusions.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 10, 2025 11:01 AM (N1DT3)
If you skip all the boilerplate above the comments you can avoid these confusions.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 10, 2025 11:27 AM (ExV1e)
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86 Watch “The View” Relentlessly Batter President Trump – “He Doesn’t Believe In the Constitution”
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Well, he may not be the constitutional scholar that Justice Jumangi is.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
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Yes, all I learned about constitutional law came from The View. They have fine constitutional scholars on that panel that serve as a valuable educational resource in how our Constitution was written, should be applied, and the historical understanding of its terms.
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Well, he may not be the constitutional scholar that Justice Jumangi is.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
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Yes, all I learned about constitutional law came from The View. They have fine constitutional scholars on that panel that serve as a valuable educational resource in how our Constitution was written, should be applied, and the historical understanding of its terms.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 11:27 AM (ctrM5)
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Everything in CBD's post also applies to engineering/tech jobs.
US companies have been able to use the government to provide an 'easy button' to get their hands on highly educated, skilled, cheap labor.
Which, of course, if very detrimental to our home grown skilled labor pool
Elon Musk et al, whining that they can't fill their engineering positions without H1B visas also should be responded to with: tough shit.
If you need them, then engage with schools to educate people on the skills you need. Or apprenticeships. Or, find another way.
It is not the government's job to solve industrys' labor problems.
US companies have been able to use the government to provide an 'easy button' to get their hands on highly educated, skilled, cheap labor.
Which, of course, if very detrimental to our home grown skilled labor pool
Elon Musk et al, whining that they can't fill their engineering positions without H1B visas also should be responded to with: tough shit.
If you need them, then engage with schools to educate people on the skills you need. Or apprenticeships. Or, find another way.
It is not the government's job to solve industrys' labor problems.
Posted by: ghbucky at July 10, 2025 11:27 AM (/xDbx)
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USAID was a classic example. Most of the money spent on "foreign aid" never got outside the Beltway.
Lil Z in an unscripted moment claimed that he only got 50% of the aid allocated to Ukraine.
While he's not exactly trustworthy I don't doubt he's right about this one
Lil Z in an unscripted moment claimed that he only got 50% of the aid allocated to Ukraine.
While he's not exactly trustworthy I don't doubt he's right about this one
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:28 AM (t0Rmr)
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🎵
Move 'em out, head 'em up
Head 'em up, move 'em on
Move 'em out, head 'em up:
Rawhide
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in
Ride 'em in, cut 'em out
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in:
Rawhide!
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🎵
Move 'em out, head 'em up
Head 'em up, move 'em on
Move 'em out, head 'em up:
Rawhide
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in
Ride 'em in, cut 'em out
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in:
Rawhide!
🎶
Posted by: Don Black. at July 10, 2025 11:28 AM (AOsQT)
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Has the Democrat-Media Complex begun screaming they we'll soon pay $10 for a head of lettuce, if you can find one, prices of new homes will increase by 25%, and babies will die by the thousands because every other nanny is hiding-out, afraid to travel the streets? If not, I am disappointed in them! Especially the Media. They have one job. Spread panic, accusations of raycissm, uncertainty and doubt!
Posted by: Gref at July 10, 2025 11:29 AM (aBgBM)
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"LA needs construction, landscape workers as illegal immigrants stop showing up for work amid ICE enforcement"
That's what teenagers are for. All teenagers, especially males, ought to have a least one job in which they bust their ass all day long and come home dead tired. Even more so for the high school drop out types.
That's what teenagers are for. All teenagers, especially males, ought to have a least one job in which they bust their ass all day long and come home dead tired. Even more so for the high school drop out types.
Posted by: Ripley at July 10, 2025 11:29 AM (GUOwU)
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"Open the trunk, HAL."
Posted by: Don Black. at July 10, 2025 11:30 AM (AOsQT)
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Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 10, 2025 11:08 AM (L/fGl)
France wouldn't give my wife a visa until she had her college degree translated from Latin to French.
France wouldn't give my wife a visa until she had her college degree translated from Latin to French.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Conspiracy Theorist at July 10, 2025 11:30 AM (2yqAv)
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To the Ruling Class, government means extracting a dollar from you, spending a dime on a program and keeping the other 90 cents for themselves.
To the Ruling Class, government means extracting a dollar from you, spending a dime on a program and keeping the other 90 cents for themselves.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 10, 2025 11:30 AM (HZi96)
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At some point you have enough letteuce.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2025 11:30 AM (zhBpy)
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That's what teenagers are for. All teenagers, especially males, ought to have a least one job in which they bust their ass all day long and come home dead tired. Even more so for the high school drop out types.
Posted by: Ripley
High school should be eliminated.
Posted by: Ripley
High school should be eliminated.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 10, 2025 11:30 AM (mlg/3)
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Of course if the government chooses to make it hard or risky to hire illegals, that will incentive the business world to start lobbying government to fix the welfare system that is sucking up too many of their potential employees.
Posted by: PaleRider at July 10, 2025 11:31 AM (bP/i4)
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and babies will die by the thousands because every other nanny is hiding-out, afraid to travel the streets?
There was an article in The Atlantic a number of years ago arguing modern feminism had failed because all that had happened with the move to corporate work by women is that white upper/middle class corporate feminists had hired minority women to take care of their kids instead of doing so themselves as the generations before had.
They aren't completely wrong in this.
There was an article in The Atlantic a number of years ago arguing modern feminism had failed because all that had happened with the move to corporate work by women is that white upper/middle class corporate feminists had hired minority women to take care of their kids instead of doing so themselves as the generations before had.
They aren't completely wrong in this.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:31 AM (t0Rmr)
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F5 seems to be broken.
Posted by: Boss Moss
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You are down to your left mouse button. Is your lifeboat accessible and stocked?
F5 seems to be broken.
Posted by: Boss Moss
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You are down to your left mouse button. Is your lifeboat accessible and stocked?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 10, 2025 11:32 AM (UmB+t)
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60 “We don’t have enough people to staff the work and we’re scrambling to figure it out,” said Arturo Sneider, the CEO at Primestor, a real major estate management company in California and two other states. “It’s triggering delays."
There are 350M people in the US, and many of the news items I see are "massive job losses coming because of AI"
So...I don't buy this.
Now, he might have to raise salaries and therefore the prices he charges, but if everyone is forced to stop hiring illegals this will leave them all in an equal position.
Posted by: 18-1
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He is crying in his champagne because elimination of cheap labor eventually means less in his pay packet. I despise people like that.
There are 350M people in the US, and many of the news items I see are "massive job losses coming because of AI"
So...I don't buy this.
Now, he might have to raise salaries and therefore the prices he charges, but if everyone is forced to stop hiring illegals this will leave them all in an equal position.
Posted by: 18-1
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He is crying in his champagne because elimination of cheap labor eventually means less in his pay packet. I despise people like that.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 11:32 AM (ctrM5)
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That's what teenagers are for. All teenagers, especially males, ought to have a least one job in which they bust their ass all day long and come home dead tired. Even more so for the high school drop out types.
Posted by: Ripley at July 10, 2025 11:29 AM (GUOwU)
Exactly.
Posted by: Ripley at July 10, 2025 11:29 AM (GUOwU)
Exactly.
Posted by: Nova Local at July 10, 2025 11:32 AM (tOcjL)
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So a judge over rules the SCOTUS and says Trump can't end birthright citizenship
Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2025 11:32 AM (VE6XX)
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So where is that $6T/year going? And the answer is the pockets of the uniparty and their clients.
Microsoft is currently laying off thousands of Americans, while applying for thousands of new H-1B visas.
The CEO of Microsoft is named Satya Narayana Nadella.
Microsoft is currently laying off thousands of Americans, while applying for thousands of new H-1B visas.
The CEO of Microsoft is named Satya Narayana Nadella.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 10, 2025 11:32 AM (xTIDn)
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I seem to recall that one of the recent ICE busts at a packing plant (chicken?) nabbed many illegal aliens. And was used as an example of how Americans DO want to do the work - they needed new workers, they did job fairs or similar, and there were a bunch of Americans at the door trying to get employed.
I recall, several years back, a story about an ICE raid at a chicken plant in Alabama, I believe. Next day, there was a huge line of black folks waiting to apply for the jobs.
I recall, several years back, a story about an ICE raid at a chicken plant in Alabama, I believe. Next day, there was a huge line of black folks waiting to apply for the jobs.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 10, 2025 11:33 AM (ExV1e)
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109 So a judge over rules the SCOTUS and says Trump can't end birthright citizenship
Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2025 11:32 AM (VE6XX)
SCOTUS technically has taken up that issue yet...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2025 11:32 AM (VE6XX)
SCOTUS technically has taken up that issue yet...
Posted by: Nova Local at July 10, 2025 11:33 AM (tOcjL)
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109 So a judge over rules the SCOTUS and says Trump can't end birthright citizenship
Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2025 11:32 AM (VE6XX)
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He created a class, as Alito said would happen in his concurrence.
It will get stayed within a week, and the whole class thing is going to get reduced dramatically, if not completely eliminated.
Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2025 11:32 AM (VE6XX)
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He created a class, as Alito said would happen in his concurrence.
It will get stayed within a week, and the whole class thing is going to get reduced dramatically, if not completely eliminated.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:33 AM (GBKbO)
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It is not the government's job to solve industrys' labor problems.
Posted by: ghbucky
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Yep. If you pay them enough, they will come. Sort of like Congress critters.
Posted by: ghbucky
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Yep. If you pay them enough, they will come. Sort of like Congress critters.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 11:33 AM (ctrM5)
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Nero Newscum is going to find big apartment complexes in Palisades instead of private homes. Watch the building permit prices fly with those.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at July 10, 2025 11:33 AM (17s+e)
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109 So a judge over rules the SCOTUS and says Trump can't end birthright citizenship
Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2025 11:32 AM (VE6XX)
So the judge is saying the country is done. Ok.
Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2025 11:32 AM (VE6XX)
So the judge is saying the country is done. Ok.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 10, 2025 11:33 AM (bss/y)
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Another renegade judge! This judge needs to be arrested and at this point, ICE and the National Guard need to go door-to-door to arrest and deport any anchor babies.
Posted by: Diabeetus at July 10, 2025 11:33 AM (S+el1)
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I saw some doofus complaining that the Trump administration wants to pull grandmas out of nursing homes and have them get jobs on farms.
My 93 year old M-I-L is going to be moving in with us next month. I'm thinking she will be just in time for peach harvest.
My 93 year old M-I-L is going to be moving in with us next month. I'm thinking she will be just in time for peach harvest.
Posted by: muldoon at July 10, 2025 11:33 AM (poXs5)
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Microsoft is currently laying off thousands of Americans, while applying for thousands of new H-1B visas.
The CEO of Microsoft is named Satya Narayana Nadella.
And the stock market loves it - look at MSFT stock over the last month
Microsoft is currently laying off thousands of Americans, while applying for thousands of new H-1B visas.
The CEO of Microsoft is named Satya Narayana Nadella.
And the stock market loves it - look at MSFT stock over the last month
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:34 AM (t0Rmr)
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America doesn't have a labor problem. There are plenty of people to fill these jobs, but not at the artificially low wages that the GOPe and the globalists prefer.
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We need to reinstate the ban on corporations being able to buy back their stock.
Prior to that, they either had to pay dividends or make capital investments with their profits.
Now, they can take those profits, buy the stock, inflating the stock price from two directions, and the CEOs cash massive bonuses/stock options.
But, that all requires ever and ever cheaper labor because they no longer invest in physical facilities, limping along with 30-40+ year old equipment.
Cheap, unlimited immigrant labor drives down all wages, not just the physical labor wages.
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We need to reinstate the ban on corporations being able to buy back their stock.
Prior to that, they either had to pay dividends or make capital investments with their profits.
Now, they can take those profits, buy the stock, inflating the stock price from two directions, and the CEOs cash massive bonuses/stock options.
But, that all requires ever and ever cheaper labor because they no longer invest in physical facilities, limping along with 30-40+ year old equipment.
Cheap, unlimited immigrant labor drives down all wages, not just the physical labor wages.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 10, 2025 11:34 AM (VlU/R)
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Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2025 11:32 AM (VE6XX)
SCOTUS technically has taken up that issue yet...
Posted by: Nova Local at July 10, 2025 11:33 AM (tOcjL)
Basically the judge did an injunction after SCOTUS said they can't do injunctions...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2025 11:32 AM (VE6XX)
SCOTUS technically has taken up that issue yet...
Posted by: Nova Local at July 10, 2025 11:33 AM (tOcjL)
Basically the judge did an injunction after SCOTUS said they can't do injunctions...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2025 11:34 AM (VE6XX)
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Oops...
I meant to cite:
Elon Musk et al, whining that they can't fill their engineering positions without H1B visas also should be responded to with: tough shit.
Microsoft is currently laying off thousands of Americans, while applying for thousands of new H-1B visas.
The CEO of Microsoft is named Satya Narayana Nadella.
I meant to cite:
Elon Musk et al, whining that they can't fill their engineering positions without H1B visas also should be responded to with: tough shit.
Microsoft is currently laying off thousands of Americans, while applying for thousands of new H-1B visas.
The CEO of Microsoft is named Satya Narayana Nadella.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 10, 2025 11:34 AM (xTIDn)
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I must've been sick the day they covered this in law school.
Ketanji Brown Jackson: I Write Supreme Court Opinions To “Tell People How I Feel”
Ketanji Brown Jackson: I Write Supreme Court Opinions To “Tell People How I Feel”
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 10, 2025 11:34 AM (L/fGl)
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FDA just fully approved mRNA vaxxes for 6 month olds. Someone nuke DC please.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 10, 2025 11:34 AM (QZThv)
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110 So where is that $6T/year going? And the answer is the pockets of the uniparty and their clients.
Microsoft is currently laying off thousands of Americans, while applying for thousands of new H-1B visas.
The CEO of Microsoft is named Satya Narayana Nadella.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 10, 2025 11:32 AM (xTIDn)
I would deny all of their H1-Bs for this year. Maybe add a rule that if you lay off Americans, you do not qualify for H1-Bs in that year...H1-Bs should always be 1st.
Microsoft is currently laying off thousands of Americans, while applying for thousands of new H-1B visas.
The CEO of Microsoft is named Satya Narayana Nadella.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 10, 2025 11:32 AM (xTIDn)
I would deny all of their H1-Bs for this year. Maybe add a rule that if you lay off Americans, you do not qualify for H1-Bs in that year...H1-Bs should always be 1st.
Posted by: Nova Local at July 10, 2025 11:34 AM (tOcjL)
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So a judge over rules the SCOTUS and says Trump can't end birthright citizenship
Posted by: It's me donna
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lol what is this, a judge saying SCOTUS can't take the case this October?
So a judge over rules the SCOTUS and says Trump can't end birthright citizenship
Posted by: It's me donna
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lol what is this, a judge saying SCOTUS can't take the case this October?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 10, 2025 11:34 AM (UmB+t)
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It will get stayed within a week, and the whole class thing is going to get reduced dramatically, if not completely eliminated.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Judge did not actually do the hard work to certify a class according to existing rules so this ruling was a ruling by a lazy ass virtue signalling clown judge.
A class of all the world wanting to come here minus US citizens is not compliant with certification of a class.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Judge did not actually do the hard work to certify a class according to existing rules so this ruling was a ruling by a lazy ass virtue signalling clown judge.
A class of all the world wanting to come here minus US citizens is not compliant with certification of a class.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 11:35 AM (ctrM5)
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3 51Had my appendix explode, but am doing fine now, after a lengthy recovery.
It's the one medical problem that you only have once.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
Did you ignore all the July 4 warnings about fireworks safety?
It's the one medical problem that you only have once.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
Did you ignore all the July 4 warnings about fireworks safety?
Posted by: The Huge Manatee. at July 10, 2025 11:35 AM (G5+As)
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119
Microsoft is currently laying off thousands of Americans, while applying for thousands of new H-1B visas.
The CEO of Microsoft is named Satya Narayana Nadella.
And the stock market loves it - look at MSFT stock over the last month
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:34 AM (t0Rmr)
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I was going through some labor stats yesterday, comparing H1B and H1B1 numbers from April and May of last year to this year.
Both months this year are down 20% from last year.
In general, it seems like there's a pattern of reduced use overall.
Microsoft is currently laying off thousands of Americans, while applying for thousands of new H-1B visas.
The CEO of Microsoft is named Satya Narayana Nadella.
And the stock market loves it - look at MSFT stock over the last month
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:34 AM (t0Rmr)
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I was going through some labor stats yesterday, comparing H1B and H1B1 numbers from April and May of last year to this year.
Both months this year are down 20% from last year.
In general, it seems like there's a pattern of reduced use overall.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:35 AM (GBKbO)
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Democrats only talk about the Constitution either:
1. When they're out of power
2. When they're running for office
1. When they're out of power
2. When they're running for office
Posted by: ... at July 10, 2025 11:35 AM (Qr870)
Posted by: anachronda at July 10, 2025 11:35 AM (v3pYe)
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How do your feelings establish precedent?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2025 11:35 AM (zhBpy)
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H1B was originally designed for specific cases where no one in America had the knowledge.
So if you needed a specific mathematician or scientist.
H1Bs are now used for jobs that industry just wants to pay less for.
So if you needed a specific mathematician or scientist.
H1Bs are now used for jobs that industry just wants to pay less for.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:35 AM (t0Rmr)
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If Musk and the other tech titans needs foreign engineers, we should let them. Brain drain our competitors and bring in more smart people to the US.
Posted by: Diabeetus at July 10, 2025 11:35 AM (S+el1)
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Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2025 11:32 AM (VE6XX)
SCOTUS technically has taken up that issue yet...
Posted by: Nova Local at July 10, 2025 11:33 AM (tOcjL)
Basically the judge did an injunction after SCOTUS said they can't do injunctions...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2025 11:34 AM (VE6XX)
Okay...I was just pointing out SCOTUS has not ruled on the birthright citizenship issue. They've ruled on the injunction issues.
Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2025 11:32 AM (VE6XX)
SCOTUS technically has taken up that issue yet...
Posted by: Nova Local at July 10, 2025 11:33 AM (tOcjL)
Basically the judge did an injunction after SCOTUS said they can't do injunctions...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2025 11:34 AM (VE6XX)
Okay...I was just pointing out SCOTUS has not ruled on the birthright citizenship issue. They've ruled on the injunction issues.
Posted by: Nova Local at July 10, 2025 11:36 AM (tOcjL)
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In MSFT's case I do think part of this is lowering hiring because they believe AI can essentially do those jobs.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:36 AM (t0Rmr)
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123 I must've been sick the day they covered this in law school.
Ketanji Brown Jackson: I Write Supreme Court Opinions To “Tell People How I Feel”
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 10, 2025 11:34 AM (L/fGl)
never go full Ketanji
Ketanji Brown Jackson: I Write Supreme Court Opinions To “Tell People How I Feel”
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 10, 2025 11:34 AM (L/fGl)
never go full Ketanji
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at July 10, 2025 11:37 AM (pIfcn)
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If Musk and the other tech titans needs foreign engineers, we should let them. Brain drain our competitors and bring in more smart people to the US.
Back in the 90s say I think you could argue that is how this would play out.
Instead its led to a massive wealth transfer TO India.
Back in the 90s say I think you could argue that is how this would play out.
Instead its led to a massive wealth transfer TO India.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:37 AM (t0Rmr)
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There is never a shortage of workers. There is a shortage of workers willing to work at a given wage. Pay $1M/year and you’ll have every American applying for the jobs “American won’t do”.
And no, I’m not suggesting farm works should be paid $1M, just making the point.
And no, I’m not suggesting farm works should be paid $1M, just making the point.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 10, 2025 11:37 AM (ImXfC)
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127 Judge did not actually do the hard work to certify a class according to existing rules so this ruling was a ruling by a lazy ass virtue signalling clown judge.
A class of all the world wanting to come here minus US citizens is not compliant with certification of a class.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 11:35 AM (ctrM5)
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And SCOTUS could end up using it as an excuse to eliminate classes from the American judicial process entirely, as they've indicated in cases like Kavanaugh's dissent in Labcorp v Davis indicates.
A class of all the world wanting to come here minus US citizens is not compliant with certification of a class.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 11:35 AM (ctrM5)
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And SCOTUS could end up using it as an excuse to eliminate classes from the American judicial process entirely, as they've indicated in cases like Kavanaugh's dissent in Labcorp v Davis indicates.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:37 AM (GBKbO)
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There is also the fact that employers are competing against the welfare system and in the case of teenagers competing against the allowance from mom and dad
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Kids can do landscaping, but the market is so dominated by quick cheap landscapers kids really don't break into as much. It just isn't efficient. Why hire a kid who could do it for a summer or a year - but he will then move on - only to know you will have to find another one the following year.
Cheap landscaping service is just easy. Likely with illegal labor, but it is easy and efficient for everyone.
But if that labor goes away and the cost goes up, then it definitely opens up the market for teenagers.
Good luck getting a teenager on a construction project with today's safety and insurance.
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Kids can do landscaping, but the market is so dominated by quick cheap landscapers kids really don't break into as much. It just isn't efficient. Why hire a kid who could do it for a summer or a year - but he will then move on - only to know you will have to find another one the following year.
Cheap landscaping service is just easy. Likely with illegal labor, but it is easy and efficient for everyone.
But if that labor goes away and the cost goes up, then it definitely opens up the market for teenagers.
Good luck getting a teenager on a construction project with today's safety and insurance.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at July 10, 2025 11:37 AM (sX1BW)
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I was going through some labor stats yesterday, comparing H1B and H1B1 numbers from April and May of last year to this year.
Both months this year are down 20% from last year.
In general, it seems like there's a pattern of reduced use overall.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:35 AM (GBKbO)
Yes, and COINCIDENTALLY when Trump takes office and drops the hammer on H1B visas, I get substantial pay raises. UNEXPECTEDLY!!!!!!!!!
One of the COBS should write up an article about how badly the H1B visa process is corrupted/abused.
I'd say it is hair raising, but the reality anymore, that is as bad as you all probably expect.
Both months this year are down 20% from last year.
In general, it seems like there's a pattern of reduced use overall.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:35 AM (GBKbO)
Yes, and COINCIDENTALLY when Trump takes office and drops the hammer on H1B visas, I get substantial pay raises. UNEXPECTEDLY!!!!!!!!!
One of the COBS should write up an article about how badly the H1B visa process is corrupted/abused.
I'd say it is hair raising, but the reality anymore, that is as bad as you all probably expect.
Posted by: ghbucky at July 10, 2025 11:38 AM (/xDbx)
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There are plenty of people to fill these jobs, but not at the artificially low wages that the GOPe and the globalists prefer.
But don't think these thieves are working cheap. They're subsidized by NGOs (and governmental organizations, but they're all the same).
But don't think these thieves are working cheap. They're subsidized by NGOs (and governmental organizations, but they're all the same).
Posted by: t-bird at July 10, 2025 11:38 AM (Vm5SY)
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It's the one medical problem that you only have once.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
What about falling down an elevator shaft
Hope you are doing better.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
What about falling down an elevator shaft
Hope you are doing better.
Posted by: ... at July 10, 2025 11:38 AM (Qr870)
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They've gone pro defamation?
America’s Biggest Teachers’ Union Severs Ties With Anti-Defamation League
America’s Biggest Teachers’ Union Severs Ties With Anti-Defamation League
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 10, 2025 11:38 AM (L/fGl)
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Who will coach the pickleball?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2025 11:39 AM (zhBpy)
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Ketanji Brown Jackson: I Write Supreme Court Opinions To “Tell People How I Feel”
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
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ffs woman, that's what bumpers are for.
Ketanji Brown Jackson: I Write Supreme Court Opinions To “Tell People How I Feel”
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
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ffs woman, that's what bumpers are for.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 10, 2025 11:39 AM (UmB+t)
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>Ketanji Brown Jackson: I Write Supreme Court Opinions To “Tell People How I Feel”
She's been overpraised her entire life.
She's been overpraised her entire life.
Posted by: mr tmz at July 10, 2025 11:39 AM (rJ48h)
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Instead its led to a massive wealth transfer TO India.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:37 AM (t0Rmr)
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India is still one of the poorest, dirtiest, and most backward places on earth. Bring their tech talent here. Our tech sector will become richer and smarter.
All India is doing these days is serving as the world's call center.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:37 AM (t0Rmr)
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India is still one of the poorest, dirtiest, and most backward places on earth. Bring their tech talent here. Our tech sector will become richer and smarter.
All India is doing these days is serving as the world's call center.
Posted by: Diabeetus at July 10, 2025 11:39 AM (S+el1)
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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:13 AM (GBKbO)
Not all labor is in equal demand.
Supermarket stockers are a lot more important than baristas.
People will manage their costs by choosing which labor is most important to them.
Some guy named Adam Smith said something about the "Invisible Hand."
Not all labor is in equal demand.
Supermarket stockers are a lot more important than baristas.
People will manage their costs by choosing which labor is most important to them.
Some guy named Adam Smith said something about the "Invisible Hand."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Conspiracy Theorist at July 10, 2025 11:39 AM (2yqAv)
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H1Bs are now used for jobs that industry just wants to pay less for.
For tech companies, the big advantage is not lower salaries for H1-B types, but the fact that they are indentured servants - the company fires them, and it's back to India they go.
Makes for a very compliant labor force.
For tech companies, the big advantage is not lower salaries for H1-B types, but the fact that they are indentured servants - the company fires them, and it's back to India they go.
Makes for a very compliant labor force.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 10, 2025 11:39 AM (xTIDn)
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I'm too lazy to research if this is true, but I have seen stories where Indian immigrant entrepreneurs with gas stations and convenience stores apply for H1B to staff them. If true, this is huge abuse.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at July 10, 2025 11:40 AM (Dv3i1)
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It's the one medical problem that you only have once.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
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Sorry, ARC! I'm glad you're recovering.
It's the one medical problem that you only have once.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
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Sorry, ARC! I'm glad you're recovering.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 10, 2025 11:40 AM (UmB+t)
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The unseen shot a bird.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2025 11:40 AM (zhBpy)
Posted by: Don Black. at July 10, 2025 11:40 AM (AOsQT)
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Maybe you could even end the "housing crisis" in California by getting rid of all the illegals overwhelming it?
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Saw a recent article that there has been a huge increase in homes for sale being pulled from the market as sellers refuse to accept low-ball offers.
Yet another way Powell is fucking over regular Americans.
You can't buy at the artificially high interest rates.
They can't afford to sell at below-market to make the sale.
But MegaCorp, with direct access to the discount window, has unlimited funds to buy.
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Saw a recent article that there has been a huge increase in homes for sale being pulled from the market as sellers refuse to accept low-ball offers.
Yet another way Powell is fucking over regular Americans.
You can't buy at the artificially high interest rates.
They can't afford to sell at below-market to make the sale.
But MegaCorp, with direct access to the discount window, has unlimited funds to buy.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 10, 2025 11:41 AM (VlU/R)
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Cheap landscaping service is just easy. Likely with illegal labor, but it is easy and efficient for everyone.
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I have a small yard that takes me 30-45 mins to do, including trimming, pull weeds, etc.
I got some quotes from lawn companies. They wanted $60-80 a week for service.
Cheap is not the word I’d use.
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I have a small yard that takes me 30-45 mins to do, including trimming, pull weeds, etc.
I got some quotes from lawn companies. They wanted $60-80 a week for service.
Cheap is not the word I’d use.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 10, 2025 11:41 AM (ImXfC)
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"If Musk and the other tech titans needs foreign engineers, we should let them. Brain drain our competitors and bring in more smart people to the US."
This argument might be more compelling if Big Tech hadn't laid off 100,000 workers in the last few months.
Not to mention, the credentials of foreign engineers are somewhat questionable. Boring outsourced software development on the 737 Max to a cheap company on India. How did that work out?
This argument might be more compelling if Big Tech hadn't laid off 100,000 workers in the last few months.
Not to mention, the credentials of foreign engineers are somewhat questionable. Boring outsourced software development on the 737 Max to a cheap company on India. How did that work out?
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at July 10, 2025 11:41 AM (rbw5v)
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>India is still one of the poorest, dirtiest, and most backward places on earth.
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that has nukes
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that has nukes
Posted by: Don Black. at July 10, 2025 11:42 AM (AOsQT)
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Boeing?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2025 11:42 AM (zhBpy)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 10, 2025 11:42 AM (mlg/3)
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Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 10, 2025 11:37 AM (ImXfC)
Yes, It's called a free market, and I am all for it!
Yes, It's called a free market, and I am all for it!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Conspiracy Theorist at July 10, 2025 11:42 AM (2yqAv)
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but I have seen stories where Indian immigrant entrepreneurs with gas stations and convenience stores apply for H1B to staff them
Yeah, I've seen a listing of H-1B applications to bring in people to manage gas stations in the South.
Because you simply can't find Americans to do those jobs.
Yeah, I've seen a listing of H-1B applications to bring in people to manage gas stations in the South.
Because you simply can't find Americans to do those jobs.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 10, 2025 11:43 AM (xTIDn)
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What is interesting is that:
A) none of affirmative action Jackson's staffers stopped her from promulgating nonsense, meaning they either dared not, or could not.
B) none of the other leftists justices intervened in her writing her opinion, meaning they aren't colluding with each other, or the asshole just wouldn't listen.
So maybe Soto gave her an audible slap as punishment for not listening to directions?
A) none of affirmative action Jackson's staffers stopped her from promulgating nonsense, meaning they either dared not, or could not.
B) none of the other leftists justices intervened in her writing her opinion, meaning they aren't colluding with each other, or the asshole just wouldn't listen.
So maybe Soto gave her an audible slap as punishment for not listening to directions?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 10, 2025 11:43 AM (52syf)
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>Ketanji Brown Jackson: I Write Supreme Court Opinions To “Tell People How I Feel”
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Most people just go to therapy.
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Most people just go to therapy.
Posted by: ... at July 10, 2025 11:43 AM (Qr870)
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something about the "Invisible Hand."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Conspiracy Theorist at July 10, 2025 11:39 AM (2yqAv)
*sobs*
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Conspiracy Theorist at July 10, 2025 11:39 AM (2yqAv)
*sobs*
Posted by: Michelle Fields at July 10, 2025 11:44 AM (Qr870)
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Yes, It's called a free market, and I am all for it!
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The free market always adjust. It will adjust to having cheap abundant labor, it will adjust to not having cheap abundant labor.
Yes, there may be some short term pains as it adjusts - but so was the Covid shutdown.
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The free market always adjust. It will adjust to having cheap abundant labor, it will adjust to not having cheap abundant labor.
Yes, there may be some short term pains as it adjusts - but so was the Covid shutdown.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at July 10, 2025 11:45 AM (sX1BW)
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Leftists whine about income inequality here. It’s because they are uneducated imbeciles.
Wanna see inequality? Got to Mumbai. You have $5M condos next to slums. That’s inequality.
Inequality in the US means you have last years iPhone.
Wanna see inequality? Got to Mumbai. You have $5M condos next to slums. That’s inequality.
Inequality in the US means you have last years iPhone.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 10, 2025 11:45 AM (ImXfC)
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164 What is interesting is that:
A) none of affirmative action Jackson's staffers stopped her from promulgating nonsense, meaning they either dared not, or could not.
B) none of the other leftists justices intervened in her writing her opinion, meaning they aren't colluding with each other, or the asshole just wouldn't listen.
So maybe Soto gave her an audible slap as punishment for not listening to directions?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 10, 2025 11:43 AM (52syf)
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Clerks are no-nothing researchers. They would never correct a SCOTUS justice.
And it's obvious that Jackson is grating on everyone both behind closed doors in conference and in oral arguments.
Except Thomas. I suspect he's just laughing at her.
A) none of affirmative action Jackson's staffers stopped her from promulgating nonsense, meaning they either dared not, or could not.
B) none of the other leftists justices intervened in her writing her opinion, meaning they aren't colluding with each other, or the asshole just wouldn't listen.
So maybe Soto gave her an audible slap as punishment for not listening to directions?
Posted by: Warai-otoko at July 10, 2025 11:43 AM (52syf)
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Clerks are no-nothing researchers. They would never correct a SCOTUS justice.
And it's obvious that Jackson is grating on everyone both behind closed doors in conference and in oral arguments.
Except Thomas. I suspect he's just laughing at her.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:45 AM (GBKbO)
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Maybe Ketanji could just write shitty music?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2025 11:45 AM (zhBpy)
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Posted by: Don Black. at July 10, 2025 11:45 AM (AOsQT)
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California bishop lifts Sunday Mass obligation for churchgoers fearful of ICE raids.
The Lord loves you and wants you to continue your criminal behavior which helps to impoverish people who aren't members of my diocese because ORANGEMANBAD, amen.
The Lord loves you and wants you to continue your criminal behavior which helps to impoverish people who aren't members of my diocese because ORANGEMANBAD, amen.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 10, 2025 11:45 AM (ExV1e)
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I need to do my part to keep the workforce legal by taking care of the yard work. It's hot and loud but probably worth 1.75 liters of mid bourbon.
Posted by: Oglebay at July 10, 2025 11:46 AM (MMp6W)
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If illegal aliens are a net economic benefit to THIS country, why can't they go back and be a net economic benefit to their home country?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 10, 2025 11:46 AM (7fElN)
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I can't wait for Dr O'Connor to claim HE has dementia and can't remember anything
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:47 AM (t0Rmr)
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I always crack when when the left uses religion when it’s convenient. Usually it’s “religious people are sooooooo stupid”. But now it’s oh no poor churches can’t do their thing because ice raids.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 10, 2025 11:47 AM (ImXfC)
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146 Who will coach the pickleball?
Posted by: Boss Moss
The seamy underbelly of the pickleball lifestyle is hidden from view. I'm expecting a revealing expose' in the near future. Don't let your babies grow up to be pickleballers.
Posted by: Boss Moss
The seamy underbelly of the pickleball lifestyle is hidden from view. I'm expecting a revealing expose' in the near future. Don't let your babies grow up to be pickleballers.
Posted by: Caligula On A Court at July 10, 2025 11:48 AM (G5+As)
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America doesn't have a labor problem. There are plenty of people to fill these jobs, but not at the artificially low wages that the GOPe and the globalists prefer.
The correct answer is nobody wants to work anymore. People should be grateful just to have a job working 80 hours a week and getting paid for 40 at a rate that adjusted for inflation was entry-level in 1986 and not adjusted for inflation was entry-level in 1998. Kids these days just don't have any work ethic!
The correct answer is nobody wants to work anymore. People should be grateful just to have a job working 80 hours a week and getting paid for 40 at a rate that adjusted for inflation was entry-level in 1986 and not adjusted for inflation was entry-level in 1998. Kids these days just don't have any work ethic!
Posted by: CEO from his yacht at July 10, 2025 11:48 AM (TbWk/)
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74 If illegal aliens are a net economic benefit to THIS country, why can't they go back and be a net economic benefit to their home country?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 10, 2025 11:46 AM (7fElN)
Same reason tariffs are bad if we have them but are awesome for every other country that has them.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 10, 2025 11:46 AM (7fElN)
Same reason tariffs are bad if we have them but are awesome for every other country that has them.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 10, 2025 11:48 AM (ImXfC)
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And that's before announcing that every business has 6 months to confirm all employees are citizens/LPR, after which the owners and executives will be arrested if not in compliance.
Need to translate that one into Hindi.
Need to translate that one into Hindi.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 10, 2025 11:49 AM (ExV1e)
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It's time. Time to go after the businesses/contractors/subcontractors who prey on the illegal invader for cheaper wages so they can line their pockets with the profits from this modern day slave trade. Time to stop lying to ourselves and our children that it is okay that Jesus and Graciela can be exploited doing the work American citizens should be doing. Stop destroying the fabric of our country so some illegal invader can send money home to his family who hates America and Americans.
Posted by: Ready! Aim! Fire! at July 10, 2025 11:49 AM (r/wv3)
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If illegal aliens are a net economic benefit to THIS country, why can't they go back and be a net economic benefit to their home country?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
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ay-MEN! These doctors and teachers who have benefited from America's education system who want to "give back." Ohhhh, I am so grateful, I want to give back!" (What they generally mean is, they want to teach and treat other illegals.)
Give back by taking your great American know-how to your country and treating and educating your people so they don't have to crash our borders to obtain it. Fix your own damn country, improve it, build it up so people aren't so tempted to exit. THAT is how you can "give back."
If illegal aliens are a net economic benefit to THIS country, why can't they go back and be a net economic benefit to their home country?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
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ay-MEN! These doctors and teachers who have benefited from America's education system who want to "give back." Ohhhh, I am so grateful, I want to give back!" (What they generally mean is, they want to teach and treat other illegals.)
Give back by taking your great American know-how to your country and treating and educating your people so they don't have to crash our borders to obtain it. Fix your own damn country, improve it, build it up so people aren't so tempted to exit. THAT is how you can "give back."
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 10, 2025 11:50 AM (UmB+t)
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The thing I like about the World Cup is you find out what kind of Mexican everyone is.
Posted by: eleven at July 10, 2025 11:50 AM (fV+MH)
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So a judge over rules the SCOTUS and says Trump can't end birthright citizenship
Posted by: It's me donna
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He didn't. The judge ignored the judicial rules on classifying a class and certified it by winging it.
Scotus ruled simply regarding judicial injunctions, not whether birthright citizenship could be ended by an EO.
Posted by: It's me donna
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He didn't. The judge ignored the judicial rules on classifying a class and certified it by winging it.
Scotus ruled simply regarding judicial injunctions, not whether birthright citizenship could be ended by an EO.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 11:50 AM (ctrM5)
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I suspect most of the 10% or so of illegals that work have longish commutes. They certainly can't afford to live in the blue enclaves they work in.
So this should also significantly reduce traffic
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:20 AM (t0Rmr)
And the Earth began to heal. -- climate change cultists
So this should also significantly reduce traffic
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:20 AM (t0Rmr)
And the Earth began to heal. -- climate change cultists
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 10, 2025 11:50 AM (ExV1e)
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I'm too lazy to research if this is true, but I have seen stories where Indian immigrant entrepreneurs with gas stations and convenience stores apply for H1B to staff them. If true, this is huge abuse.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at July 10, 2025 11:40 AM (Dv3i1)
The Vietnamese lady who owned the local chinese restaurant sponsored a lot of her family to come to the US and had them work in her restaurant while they were getting citizenship. It cost her a lot of money and time, and she wound up knowing every state and federal employee in the area getting the paperwork processed.
This was back when they were shooting people trying to escape over the borders, by the way.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at July 10, 2025 11:40 AM (Dv3i1)
The Vietnamese lady who owned the local chinese restaurant sponsored a lot of her family to come to the US and had them work in her restaurant while they were getting citizenship. It cost her a lot of money and time, and she wound up knowing every state and federal employee in the area getting the paperwork processed.
This was back when they were shooting people trying to escape over the borders, by the way.
Posted by: Kindltot at July 10, 2025 11:50 AM (D7oie)
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CBD. This rant was spot on.
Posted by: Lurking Cheshirecat at July 10, 2025 11:51 AM (nW73G)
Posted by: eleven at July 10, 2025 11:51 AM (fV+MH)
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188 " CBD. This rant was spot on.
Posted by: Lurking Cheshirecat"
It was.
Posted by: eleven at July 10, 2025 11:51 AM (fV+MH)
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Not enough booms. Needs more pew pews.
0 stars.
Posted by: Lurking Cheshirecat"
It was.
Posted by: eleven at July 10, 2025 11:51 AM (fV+MH)
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Not enough booms. Needs more pew pews.
0 stars.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:52 AM (GBKbO)
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This rant was spot on.
Posted by: Lurking Cheshirecat at July 10, 2025 11:51 AM (nW73G)
Thank you! Sadly...It was easy to write.
Posted by: Lurking Cheshirecat at July 10, 2025 11:51 AM (nW73G)
Thank you! Sadly...It was easy to write.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Conspiracy Theorist at July 10, 2025 11:53 AM (2yqAv)
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He didn't. The judge ignored the judicial rules on classifying a class and certified it by winging it.
Scotus ruled simply regarding judicial injunctions, not whether birthright citizenship could be ended by an EO.
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Ending birthright citizenship is going to be a tough uphill climb.
So its nice to have these actions by lower district court judges to help carry a bit of the load.
Scotus ruled simply regarding judicial injunctions, not whether birthright citizenship could be ended by an EO.
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Ending birthright citizenship is going to be a tough uphill climb.
So its nice to have these actions by lower district court judges to help carry a bit of the load.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at July 10, 2025 11:53 AM (sX1BW)
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Almost no one wants to work, but people do it because they want goods and services. Yes some people have "jobs they love" but that's honestly rare.
And this is oddly something the left doesn't get about the economy.
So if salaries go up more people will take jobs. And removing illegals/H1Bs will increase the salaries of this jobs (supply and demand)
And this is oddly something the left doesn't get about the economy.
So if salaries go up more people will take jobs. And removing illegals/H1Bs will increase the salaries of this jobs (supply and demand)
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:53 AM (t0Rmr)
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US companies have been able to use the government to provide an 'easy button' to get their hands on highly educated, skilled, cheap labor.
Well... credentialed and cheap anyways.
Well... credentialed and cheap anyways.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 10, 2025 11:53 AM (ExV1e)
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The E-Verify process is pretty simple. There can be situations where the documentation process can get a bit convoluted, but those are one offs, and any employer facing one of those can easily defend their decisions. It's mostly a piece of cake.
Does it sometimes mean that someone you just hired gets released in a few days when something turns up wrong or they can't "find" a piece of missing paperwork? Yes. That's the law and its not hard to follow.
Does it sometimes mean that someone you just hired gets released in a few days when something turns up wrong or they can't "find" a piece of missing paperwork? Yes. That's the law and its not hard to follow.
Posted by: Black JEM at July 10, 2025 11:54 AM (GZYu7)
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191 Ending birthright citizenship is going to be a tough uphill climb.
So its nice to have these actions by lower district court judges to help carry a bit of the load.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at July 10, 2025 11:53 AM (sX1BW)
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Merits will be something of a tossup, but I'm cautiously hopeful.
It's all the procedural stuff now that's just stupid resistoid bullshit.
The leftist judiciary is tearing up their own powers for temporary wins against Trump.
So its nice to have these actions by lower district court judges to help carry a bit of the load.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at July 10, 2025 11:53 AM (sX1BW)
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Merits will be something of a tossup, but I'm cautiously hopeful.
It's all the procedural stuff now that's just stupid resistoid bullshit.
The leftist judiciary is tearing up their own powers for temporary wins against Trump.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:54 AM (GBKbO)
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Pity the Democrat.
TV News Now@TVNewsNow
Fox News’ @greggutfeld: “The problem with the Democrats right now is the hoax apparatus is broken. In the days you could rely on a big hoax - collusion, fine people, drinking bleach - the media would do your work for you.”
"Now, the ratings for CNN and MSNBC are lower than Jasmine Crockett’s SAT scores. Their credibility is on a par with Smollett, so the Dems have to do their own work now. Their friends aren’t fighting their battles any more.”
TV News Now@TVNewsNow
Fox News’ @greggutfeld: “The problem with the Democrats right now is the hoax apparatus is broken. In the days you could rely on a big hoax - collusion, fine people, drinking bleach - the media would do your work for you.”
"Now, the ratings for CNN and MSNBC are lower than Jasmine Crockett’s SAT scores. Their credibility is on a par with Smollett, so the Dems have to do their own work now. Their friends aren’t fighting their battles any more.”
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Living In a Beaver Cleaver World, at July 10, 2025 11:54 AM (L/fGl)
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Well Arturo...tough shit. Pay a decent wage to legal workers and you will have your pick of legal employees. In fact, why don't you sponsor a job fair and some training programs for high school students who need jobs.
This. HS kids need entry-level jobs. Back in the day, it was HS and younger that mowed lawns and performed other low-level jobs for money instead of illegals doing it.
Those jobs were not meant as permanent jobs. The Dems and Reps are both guilty.
This. HS kids need entry-level jobs. Back in the day, it was HS and younger that mowed lawns and performed other low-level jobs for money instead of illegals doing it.
Those jobs were not meant as permanent jobs. The Dems and Reps are both guilty.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 11:54 AM (ynpvh)
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Thanks.
Had my appendix explode, but am doing fine now, after a lengthy recovery.
It's the one medical problem that you only have once.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
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Youch!!!!. Nasty and glad you are on the road to recovery.
Had my appendix explode, but am doing fine now, after a lengthy recovery.
It's the one medical problem that you only have once.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
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Youch!!!!. Nasty and glad you are on the road to recovery.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 11:54 AM (ctrM5)
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Too much boobs!!!!
Posted by: eleven at July 10, 2025 11:54 AM (fV+MH)
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199 Too much boobs!!!!
Posted by: eleven at July 10, 2025 11:54 AM (fV+MH)
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Midwesterner is socking eleven.
Posted by: eleven at July 10, 2025 11:54 AM (fV+MH)
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Midwesterner is socking eleven.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:55 AM (GBKbO)
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191 He didn't. The judge ignored the judicial rules on classifying a class and certified it by winging it.
Scotus ruled simply regarding judicial injunctions, not whether birthright citizenship could be ended by an EO.
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Ending birthright citizenship is going to be a tough uphill climb.
So its nice to have these actions by lower district court judges to help carry a bit of the load.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at July 10, 2025 11:53 AM (sX1BW)
PP can help!
/sarc
Scotus ruled simply regarding judicial injunctions, not whether birthright citizenship could be ended by an EO.
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Ending birthright citizenship is going to be a tough uphill climb.
So its nice to have these actions by lower district court judges to help carry a bit of the load.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at July 10, 2025 11:53 AM (sX1BW)
PP can help!
/sarc
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 11:55 AM (ynpvh)
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He didn't. The judge ignored the judicial rules on classifying a class and certified it by winging it.
Scotus ruled simply regarding judicial injunctions, not whether birthright citizenship could be ended by an EO.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 11:50 AM (ctrM5)
Yes.. I clarified above
Scotus ruled simply regarding judicial injunctions, not whether birthright citizenship could be ended by an EO.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 11:50 AM (ctrM5)
Yes.. I clarified above
Posted by: It's me donna at July 10, 2025 11:55 AM (VE6XX)
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You can't buy at the artificially high interest rates.
They can't afford to sell at below-market to make the sale.
But MegaCorp, with direct access to the discount window, has unlimited funds to buy.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 10, 2025 11:41 AM (VlU/R)
If it is still more profitable to borrow money at the institutional rate, and then buy out companies, strip them, and use them as cash cows until they go into receivership, as opposed to buying companies and making money while operating it while paying off the loan, the rates are still too low.
Cheap credit allows Blackrock et al to buy up all the housing to rent out at higher rates because no one can afford the Blackrock price to buy. The people screaming th loudest about the rates are the hedge funds.
Go, support them, they are clearly on your side.
They can't afford to sell at below-market to make the sale.
But MegaCorp, with direct access to the discount window, has unlimited funds to buy.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 10, 2025 11:41 AM (VlU/R)
If it is still more profitable to borrow money at the institutional rate, and then buy out companies, strip them, and use them as cash cows until they go into receivership, as opposed to buying companies and making money while operating it while paying off the loan, the rates are still too low.
Cheap credit allows Blackrock et al to buy up all the housing to rent out at higher rates because no one can afford the Blackrock price to buy. The people screaming th loudest about the rates are the hedge funds.
Go, support them, they are clearly on your side.
Posted by: Kindltot at July 10, 2025 11:55 AM (D7oie)
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America doesn't have a labor problem. There are plenty of people to fill these jobs, but not at the artificially low wages that the GOPe and the globalists prefer.
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Yep, with the labor participation rate at 62.3%, there's a large pool available.
And the labor participation rate doesn't measure people who are not actively looking for work.
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Yep, with the labor participation rate at 62.3%, there's a large pool available.
And the labor participation rate doesn't measure people who are not actively looking for work.
Posted by: WisRicih at July 10, 2025 11:55 AM (G0vdT)
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198 Thanks.
Had my appendix explode, but am doing fine now, after a lengthy recovery.
It's the one medical problem that you only have once.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
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Youch!!!!. Nasty and glad you are on the road to recovery.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 11:54 AM (ctrM5) \
One's body parts exploding is never a good thing. Get well soon.
Had my appendix explode, but am doing fine now, after a lengthy recovery.
It's the one medical problem that you only have once.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
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Youch!!!!. Nasty and glad you are on the road to recovery.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 11:54 AM (ctrM5) \
One's body parts exploding is never a good thing. Get well soon.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 11:55 AM (ynpvh)
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There was an article in The Atlantic a number of years ago arguing modern feminism had failed because all that had happened with the move to corporate work by women is that white upper/middle class corporate feminists had hired minority women to take care of their kids instead of doing so themselves as the generations before had.
That's okay. The younger generations just stopped having kids so... problem solved.
That's okay. The younger generations just stopped having kids so... problem solved.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 10, 2025 11:56 AM (ExV1e)
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The judge ignored the judicial rules on classifying a class and certified it by winging it.
Posted by: whig
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How does something like this even get filed? This is getting so ridiculous I'm waiting for a judge to simply up and declare the 2024 election void. Or why not "find" that his/her salary is actually $100mil/year?
The judge ignored the judicial rules on classifying a class and certified it by winging it.
Posted by: whig
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How does something like this even get filed? This is getting so ridiculous I'm waiting for a judge to simply up and declare the 2024 election void. Or why not "find" that his/her salary is actually $100mil/year?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 10, 2025 11:56 AM (UmB+t)
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The Vietnamese lady who owned the local chinese restaurant sponsored a lot of her family to come to the US and had them work in her restaurant while they were getting citizenship. It cost her a lot of money and time, and she wound up knowing every state and federal employee in the area getting the paperwork processed.
This was back when they were shooting people trying to escape over the borders, by the way.
Posted by: Kindltot at July 10, 2025 11:50 AM (D7oie)
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Sponsoring someone into the US is no joke, because you're financially responsible for them. Sounds like this lady did everything the right way. My in laws moved here from Canada and they had to have a sponsor. My wife is still in awe over the responsibility the sponsor took on.
This was back when they were shooting people trying to escape over the borders, by the way.
Posted by: Kindltot at July 10, 2025 11:50 AM (D7oie)
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Sponsoring someone into the US is no joke, because you're financially responsible for them. Sounds like this lady did everything the right way. My in laws moved here from Canada and they had to have a sponsor. My wife is still in awe over the responsibility the sponsor took on.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 10, 2025 11:56 AM (tT6L1)
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204 America doesn't have a labor problem. There are plenty of people to fill these jobs, but not at the artificially low wages that the GOPe and the globalists prefer.
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Yep, with the labor participation rate at 62.3%, there's a large pool available.
And the labor participation rate doesn't measure people who are not actively looking for work.
Posted by: WisRicih at July 10, 2025 11:55 AM (G0vdT)
But they're jobs Globalists won't do...
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Yep, with the labor participation rate at 62.3%, there's a large pool available.
And the labor participation rate doesn't measure people who are not actively looking for work.
Posted by: WisRicih at July 10, 2025 11:55 AM (G0vdT)
But they're jobs Globalists won't do...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 11:56 AM (ynpvh)
Posted by: Life of Wryly at July 10, 2025 11:56 AM (ycs3a)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 10, 2025 11:56 AM (mlg/3)
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207 How does something like this even get filed? This is getting so ridiculous I'm waiting for a judge to simply up and declare the 2024 election void. Or why not "find" that his/her salary is actually $100mil/year?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 10, 2025 11:56 AM (UmB+t)
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Lawyers file whatever to try and get progress.
Dumb progressive judges go YOLO.
SCOTUS limits the lower courts' powers.
This is gonna keep happening for a while.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 10, 2025 11:56 AM (UmB+t)
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Lawyers file whatever to try and get progress.
Dumb progressive judges go YOLO.
SCOTUS limits the lower courts' powers.
This is gonna keep happening for a while.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:57 AM (GBKbO)
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This. HS kids need entry-level jobs. Back in the day, it was HS and younger that mowed lawns and performed other low-level jobs for money instead of illegals doing it.
Those jobs were not meant as permanent jobs. The Dems and Reps are both guilty.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)
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Yep. England got fat and rich in the 18th century and its landowners and factory owners started importing labor from Ireland on the cheap instead of hiring the native population.
Most employers think it is their god given right to hire cheap employees. My father ran a small business (farming) but never stinted on making sure his employees got paid no matter how bad teh business climate was.
Those jobs were not meant as permanent jobs. The Dems and Reps are both guilty.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)
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Yep. England got fat and rich in the 18th century and its landowners and factory owners started importing labor from Ireland on the cheap instead of hiring the native population.
Most employers think it is their god given right to hire cheap employees. My father ran a small business (farming) but never stinted on making sure his employees got paid no matter how bad teh business climate was.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 11:57 AM (ctrM5)
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That's okay. The younger generations just stopped having kids so... problem solved.
It does solve women "earning less then" men.
Not sustainable to put it mildly.
It does solve women "earning less then" men.
Not sustainable to put it mildly.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:57 AM (t0Rmr)
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Merits will be something of a tossup, but I'm cautiously hopeful.
It's all the procedural stuff now that's just stupid resistoid bullshit.
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Ultimately, ending birthright citizenship will be a result of electoral success coupled with a compliant Court. The latter will be a result of the former. Either because a new justice gets added or because the political winds are too strong for the Court to go against.
Rogue district court justices help because they are the ones going against the Court - not Trump. This helps on both fronts.
Still a very uphill climb, but with luck the left's TDS will make it easier.
It's all the procedural stuff now that's just stupid resistoid bullshit.
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Ultimately, ending birthright citizenship will be a result of electoral success coupled with a compliant Court. The latter will be a result of the former. Either because a new justice gets added or because the political winds are too strong for the Court to go against.
Rogue district court justices help because they are the ones going against the Court - not Trump. This helps on both fronts.
Still a very uphill climb, but with luck the left's TDS will make it easier.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at July 10, 2025 11:57 AM (sX1BW)
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But LA needs their slave labor.
Posted by: Smellslikevictory at July 10, 2025 11:58 AM (jPdyB)
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Sponsoring someone into the US is no joke, because you're financially responsible for them. Sounds like this lady did everything the right way. My in laws moved here from Canada and they had to have a sponsor. My wife is still in awe over the responsibility the sponsor took on.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 10, 2025 11:56 AM (tT6L1)
I did that for my BIL's FIL & MIL. They were very appreciative as even their own kids wouldn't/couldn't do it.
Sponsoring someone into the US is no joke, because you're financially responsible for them. Sounds like this lady did everything the right way. My in laws moved here from Canada and they had to have a sponsor. My wife is still in awe over the responsibility the sponsor took on.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 10, 2025 11:56 AM (tT6L1)
I did that for my BIL's FIL & MIL. They were very appreciative as even their own kids wouldn't/couldn't do it.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 11:58 AM (ynpvh)
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215 Ultimately, ending birthright citizenship will be a result of electoral success coupled with a compliant Court. The latter will be a result of the former. Either because a new justice gets added or because the political winds are too strong for the Court to go against.
Rogue district court justices help because they are the ones going against the Court - not Trump. This helps on both fronts.
Still a very uphill climb, but with luck the left's TDS will make it easier.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at July 10, 2025 11:57 AM (sX1BW)
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"All y'all racist mother fuckers!"
-KJB in conference, helping
Rogue district court justices help because they are the ones going against the Court - not Trump. This helps on both fronts.
Still a very uphill climb, but with luck the left's TDS will make it easier.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at July 10, 2025 11:57 AM (sX1BW)
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"All y'all racist mother fuckers!"
-KJB in conference, helping
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:58 AM (GBKbO)
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216 But LA needs their slave labor.
Posted by: Smellslikevictory at July 10, 2025 11:58 AM (jPdyB)
Well, they ARE Democrats...
Posted by: Smellslikevictory at July 10, 2025 11:58 AM (jPdyB)
Well, they ARE Democrats...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 11:58 AM (ynpvh)
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Sock off
Posted by: WisRich at July 10, 2025 11:58 AM (G0vdT)
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‘ And it's obvious that Jackson is grating on everyone both behind closed doors in conference and in oral arguments.’
All the while, she’s thinking that she’s super smart and important.
Such as huge concentration of the Dunning Kruger effect.
‘ And it's obvious that Jackson is grating on everyone both behind closed doors in conference and in oral arguments.’
All the while, she’s thinking that she’s super smart and important.
Such as huge concentration of the Dunning Kruger effect.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 10, 2025 11:59 AM (jbnUc)
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The leftist judiciary is tearing up their own powers for temporary wins against Trump.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:54 AM (GBKbO)
Or limiting the powers of all the judges that get appointed by Trump.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:54 AM (GBKbO)
Or limiting the powers of all the judges that get appointed by Trump.
Posted by: ... at July 10, 2025 11:59 AM (Qr870)
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A bill could have been passed that clarified what jurisdiction thereof means. I think up until around 1995 even democrats would have been on board with making it so at least one of the parents have to be a citizen to get birthright citizenship.
Why was it never done. Would have been an easy political win.
Why was it never done. Would have been an easy political win.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at July 10, 2025 11:59 AM (ImXfC)
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220 Sock off
Posted by: WisRich at July 10, 2025 11:58 AM (G0vdT)
With a hash like that, some may think you work for the Gov't...
Posted by: WisRich at July 10, 2025 11:58 AM (G0vdT)
With a hash like that, some may think you work for the Gov't...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 11:59 AM (ynpvh)
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Could Jumangi push the wise Latina to the right?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2025 11:59 AM (zhBpy)
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221 169
‘ And it's obvious that Jackson is grating on everyone both behind closed doors in conference and in oral arguments.’
All the while, she’s thinking that she’s super smart and important.
Such as huge concentration of the Dunning Kruger effect.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 10, 2025 11:59 AM (jbnUc)
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It's obvious that ACB is actively turned off by her, that KJB's arguments are derailing any effort Kagan is making to convince anyone else of her side, and that even Sotomayor is realizing that she's dumb as a box of rocks.
KJB may end up pushing the court further to the right than another Thomas could.
‘ And it's obvious that Jackson is grating on everyone both behind closed doors in conference and in oral arguments.’
All the while, she’s thinking that she’s super smart and important.
Such as huge concentration of the Dunning Kruger effect.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 10, 2025 11:59 AM (jbnUc)
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It's obvious that ACB is actively turned off by her, that KJB's arguments are derailing any effort Kagan is making to convince anyone else of her side, and that even Sotomayor is realizing that she's dumb as a box of rocks.
KJB may end up pushing the court further to the right than another Thomas could.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 12:00 PM (GBKbO)
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How does something like this even get filed? This is getting so ridiculous I'm waiting for a judge to simply up and declare the 2024 election void. Or why not "find" that his/her salary is actually $100mil/year?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
All the leftie NGOs, leftie billionaires funding those groups, and the Democratic Party are colluding in filing these cases. My guess, if you impeached one of these lawless judges, you would find a chain of emails, phone calls, etc. all done ex parte before these judges jump out and say YOLO!!! Resist We Much!!!!. Norm Eisen is one such lawfare clown with the anti Trump crap, and there are doubtless others.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
All the leftie NGOs, leftie billionaires funding those groups, and the Democratic Party are colluding in filing these cases. My guess, if you impeached one of these lawless judges, you would find a chain of emails, phone calls, etc. all done ex parte before these judges jump out and say YOLO!!! Resist We Much!!!!. Norm Eisen is one such lawfare clown with the anti Trump crap, and there are doubtless others.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 12:00 PM (ctrM5)
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I just wanted to be the first one on the internet to say it.
Posted by: eleven at July 10, 2025 12:00 PM (fV+MH)
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221 169
‘ And it's obvious that Jackson is grating on everyone both behind closed doors in conference and in oral arguments.’
All the while, she’s thinking that she’s super smart and important.
Such as huge concentration of the Dunning Kruger effect.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 10, 2025 11:59 AM (jbnUc)
Hah! The lack of mental ability and concentration leads to a concentration of Dunning-Kruger...
‘ And it's obvious that Jackson is grating on everyone both behind closed doors in conference and in oral arguments.’
All the while, she’s thinking that she’s super smart and important.
Such as huge concentration of the Dunning Kruger effect.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 10, 2025 11:59 AM (jbnUc)
Hah! The lack of mental ability and concentration leads to a concentration of Dunning-Kruger...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 12:00 PM (ynpvh)
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Yep. England got fat and rich in the 18th century and its landowners and factory owners started importing labor from Ireland on the cheap instead of hiring the native population.
[ . . . ]
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 11:57 AM (ctrM5)
You have to admit they also enacted huge barriers to block competition from the colonies and other economies.
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Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 11:57 AM (ctrM5)
You have to admit they also enacted huge barriers to block competition from the colonies and other economies.
Posted by: Kindltot at July 10, 2025 12:00 PM (D7oie)
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222 The leftist judiciary is tearing up their own powers for temporary wins against Trump.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:54 AM (GBKbO)
Or limiting the powers of all the judges that get appointed by Trump.
Posted by: ... at July 10, 2025 11:59 AM (Qr870)
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Powers that conservative justices never assert.
When the 5th Circuit ruled Biden's debt forgiveness unconstitutional, they limited the ruling to the 5th Circuit.
This is the judiciary taking away a weapon the left uses and the right never does.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 11:54 AM (GBKbO)
Or limiting the powers of all the judges that get appointed by Trump.
Posted by: ... at July 10, 2025 11:59 AM (Qr870)
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Powers that conservative justices never assert.
When the 5th Circuit ruled Biden's debt forgiveness unconstitutional, they limited the ruling to the 5th Circuit.
This is the judiciary taking away a weapon the left uses and the right never does.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 12:00 PM (GBKbO)
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H1Bs are now used for jobs that industry just wants to pay less for.
They fill the need for non-"white male" recent college graduates.
They fill the need for non-"white male" recent college graduates.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 10, 2025 12:00 PM (ExV1e)
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Could Jumangi push the wise Latina to the right?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2025 11:59 AM (zhBpy)
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No, but Kagan and Sotomayor appreciate having someone on SCOTUS who makes them look like the epitome of sober legal rectitude.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2025 11:59 AM (zhBpy)
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No, but Kagan and Sotomayor appreciate having someone on SCOTUS who makes them look like the epitome of sober legal rectitude.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 10, 2025 12:01 PM (tT6L1)
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233 Could Jumangi push the wise Latina to the right?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2025 11:59 AM (zhBpy)
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No, but Kagan and Sotomayor appreciate having someone on SCOTUS who makes them look like the epitome of sober legal rectitude.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 10, 2025 12:01 PM (tT6L1)
And Smaht.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2025 11:59 AM (zhBpy)
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No, but Kagan and Sotomayor appreciate having someone on SCOTUS who makes them look like the epitome of sober legal rectitude.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 10, 2025 12:01 PM (tT6L1)
And Smaht.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 12:02 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: muldoon at July 10, 2025 12:02 PM (poXs5)
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Kagan is intelligent but corrupt.
Wide Latina isn't intelligent and is also corrupt.
Action Jackson might be so stupid she doesn't even know she is corrupt.
Wide Latina isn't intelligent and is also corrupt.
Action Jackson might be so stupid she doesn't even know she is corrupt.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 12:02 PM (t0Rmr)
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I ain't got no time for judgin and shit.
Posted by: eleven at July 10, 2025 12:02 PM (fV+MH)
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233 Could Jumangi push the wise Latina to the right?
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2025 11:59 AM (zhBpy)
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No, but Kagan and Sotomayor appreciate having someone on SCOTUS who makes them look like the epitome of sober legal rectitude.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 10, 2025 12:01 PM (tT6L1)
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Sotomayor is only considered a reasonably sober jurist because we now see she can see the obvious, which KJB can't.
She'll still vote as she always did, but the comity in the chambers is going to be...strained.
KJB won't be able to convince anyone of anything. She'll be an island to herself.
She'll be one of the least effective justices in SCOTUS history.
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 10, 2025 11:59 AM (zhBpy)
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No, but Kagan and Sotomayor appreciate having someone on SCOTUS who makes them look like the epitome of sober legal rectitude.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 10, 2025 12:01 PM (tT6L1)
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Sotomayor is only considered a reasonably sober jurist because we now see she can see the obvious, which KJB can't.
She'll still vote as she always did, but the comity in the chambers is going to be...strained.
KJB won't be able to convince anyone of anything. She'll be an island to herself.
She'll be one of the least effective justices in SCOTUS history.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 12:02 PM (GBKbO)
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235 Too much boobs!!!!
Posted by: eleven
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Too much?
Or too many?
There's a difference.
Posted by: muldoon at July 10, 2025 12:02 PM (poXs5)
Countable vs non-countable.
Remember explaining this to the older one when he was small...
Posted by: eleven
*********
Too much?
Or too many?
There's a difference.
Posted by: muldoon at July 10, 2025 12:02 PM (poXs5)
Countable vs non-countable.
Remember explaining this to the older one when he was small...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 12:02 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at July 10, 2025 12:02 PM (vZbEn)
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Posted by: WisRich at July 10, 2025 11:58 AM (G0vdT)
With a hash like that, some may think you work for the Gov't...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 11:59 AM (ynpvh)
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Heh, I only notice it from time to time and then forget about it.
Posted by: WisRich at July 10, 2025 11:58 AM (G0vdT)
With a hash like that, some may think you work for the Gov't...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 11:59 AM (ynpvh)
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Heh, I only notice it from time to time and then forget about it.
Posted by: WisRich at July 10, 2025 12:02 PM (G0vdT)
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It's obvious that ACB is actively turned off by her, that KJB's arguments are derailing any effort Kagan is making to convince anyone else of her side, and that even Sotomayor is realizing that she's dumb as a box of rocks.
KJB may end up pushing the court further to the right than another Thomas could.
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Kagan at this point has to be thinking her role is to limit the rightward swing of the Court as much as possible.
Will a girl boss rivalry develop between Kagan and ACB, and could that push things more to the right so that ACB can be writing major majority opinions instead of Kagan?
KJB may end up pushing the court further to the right than another Thomas could.
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Kagan at this point has to be thinking her role is to limit the rightward swing of the Court as much as possible.
Will a girl boss rivalry develop between Kagan and ACB, and could that push things more to the right so that ACB can be writing major majority opinions instead of Kagan?
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at July 10, 2025 12:03 PM (sX1BW)
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Too many boobs? That is a logical impossibility
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 12:03 PM (t0Rmr)
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Kagan is intelligent but corrupt.
Wide Latina isn't intelligent and is also corrupt.
Action Jackson might be so stupid she doesn't even know she is corrupt.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 12:02 PM (t0Rmr)
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Harsh but fair.
Wide Latina isn't intelligent and is also corrupt.
Action Jackson might be so stupid she doesn't even know she is corrupt.
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 12:02 PM (t0Rmr)
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Harsh but fair.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 10, 2025 12:03 PM (tT6L1)
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how much water
how many gallons of water
how many gallons of water
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 12:03 PM (ynpvh)
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Ultimately, ending birthright citizenship will be a result of electoral success coupled with a compliant Court. The latter will be a result of the former. Either because a new justice gets added or because the political winds are too strong for the Court to go against.
Rogue district court justices help because they are the ones going against the Court - not Trump. This helps on both fronts.
Still a very uphill climb, but with luck the left's TDS will make it easier.
Posted by: SH (no more socks)
My personal guess is that Scotus rules against the president but allows Congress to legislate to exclude illegals as not subject to the jurisdiction thereof which would end them being able to claim natural born status. That allows the Court to avoid the wailing and denaturalizing of those prior to Congress passing such a law but allows the rule to apply prospectively.
That will be a major issue because it would be subject to a filibuster and not able to be included for reconciliation bills.
Rogue district court justices help because they are the ones going against the Court - not Trump. This helps on both fronts.
Still a very uphill climb, but with luck the left's TDS will make it easier.
Posted by: SH (no more socks)
My personal guess is that Scotus rules against the president but allows Congress to legislate to exclude illegals as not subject to the jurisdiction thereof which would end them being able to claim natural born status. That allows the Court to avoid the wailing and denaturalizing of those prior to Congress passing such a law but allows the rule to apply prospectively.
That will be a major issue because it would be subject to a filibuster and not able to be included for reconciliation bills.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 12:03 PM (ctrM5)
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243 Too many boobs? That is a logical impossibility
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 12:03 PM (t0Rmr)
Congress
Kalifornia
Democrats
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 12:03 PM (t0Rmr)
Congress
Kalifornia
Democrats
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 12:04 PM (ynpvh)
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India is still one of the poorest, dirtiest, and most backward places on earth. Bring their tech talent here. Our tech sector will become richer and smarter.
You cannot bring them here without bringing there here. As someone who works extensively with Indians, the notion of their "tech talent" is overblown.
You cannot bring them here without bringing there here. As someone who works extensively with Indians, the notion of their "tech talent" is overblown.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 10, 2025 12:04 PM (ExV1e)
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There could be infinitely many boobs in the universe.
Posted by: eleven at July 10, 2025 12:05 PM (fV+MH)
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248 India is still one of the poorest, dirtiest, and most backward places on earth. Bring their tech talent here. Our tech sector will become richer and smarter.
You cannot bring them here without bringing there here. As someone who works extensively with Indians, the notion of their "tech talent" is overblown.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 10, 2025 12:04 PM (ExV1e)
Why are they always asking for Bob and Vagene? I don't even know those two...
You cannot bring them here without bringing there here. As someone who works extensively with Indians, the notion of their "tech talent" is overblown.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 10, 2025 12:04 PM (ExV1e)
Why are they always asking for Bob and Vagene? I don't even know those two...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 12:05 PM (ynpvh)
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Lawyers file whatever to try and get progress.
Dumb progressive judges go YOLO.
SCOTUS limits the lower courts' powers.
This is gonna keep happening for a while.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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It's funny because there's any number of consequential things you can't do without checking a specific box or initialing some line or attaching Form #123456-Z. It just gets kicked out of the system.
How can this injunction even take effect?
Lawyers file whatever to try and get progress.
Dumb progressive judges go YOLO.
SCOTUS limits the lower courts' powers.
This is gonna keep happening for a while.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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It's funny because there's any number of consequential things you can't do without checking a specific box or initialing some line or attaching Form #123456-Z. It just gets kicked out of the system.
How can this injunction even take effect?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 10, 2025 12:05 PM (UmB+t)
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Hand to G*d- a week ago yesterday a female yard crew leader (white) was outside our condo giving a tutorial on leaf blowing to a young (white) male. He was probably 18-20 old. The demographics of our crew have completely changed in 3 months. This is in Central Florida.
Posted by: B-Ha at July 10, 2025 12:05 PM (+9J0U)
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That allows the Court to avoid the wailing and denaturalizing of those prior to Congress passing such a law but allows the rule to apply prospectively.
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Perhaps, courts do love a good old reliance argument.
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Perhaps, courts do love a good old reliance argument.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at July 10, 2025 12:05 PM (sX1BW)
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All the while, she’s thinking that she’s super smart and important.
Such as huge concentration of the Dunning Kruger effect.
It's obvious that ACB is actively turned off by her, that KJB's arguments are derailing any effort Kagan is making to convince anyone else of her side, and that even Sotomayor is realizing that she's dumb as a box of rocks.
KJB may end up pushing the court further to the right than another Thomas could.
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Somehow during Biden we slipped into Dunning Kruger meats Wile E Coyote all across the board. It's stunning.
Such as huge concentration of the Dunning Kruger effect.
It's obvious that ACB is actively turned off by her, that KJB's arguments are derailing any effort Kagan is making to convince anyone else of her side, and that even Sotomayor is realizing that she's dumb as a box of rocks.
KJB may end up pushing the court further to the right than another Thomas could.
+++
Somehow during Biden we slipped into Dunning Kruger meats Wile E Coyote all across the board. It's stunning.
Posted by: Smellslikevictory at July 10, 2025 12:06 PM (jPdyB)
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I'm too lazy to research if this is true, but I have seen stories where Indian immigrant entrepreneurs with gas stations and convenience stores apply for H1B to staff them. If true, this is huge abuse.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at July 10, 2025 11:40 AM (Dv3i1)
Non-natives will always give hiring preference to their own ethnic group. If the government provides a way for them to get more of that group into the country, they'll use it.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at July 10, 2025 11:40 AM (Dv3i1)
Non-natives will always give hiring preference to their own ethnic group. If the government provides a way for them to get more of that group into the country, they'll use it.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at July 10, 2025 12:06 PM (ExV1e)
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KJB won't be able to convince anyone of anything. She'll be an island to herself.
She'll be one of the least effective justices in SCOTUS history.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 12:02 PM (GBKbO)
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There'll be a lot of solo dissents in her future.
She'll be one of the least effective justices in SCOTUS history.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 12:02 PM (GBKbO)
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There'll be a lot of solo dissents in her future.
Posted by: WisRich at July 10, 2025 12:06 PM (G0vdT)
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Story time:
Back in the 90s, folks in my home town were commuting 80+ miles to the resort and ski area to the north to work landscaping jobs.
IIRC, the going rate was $15 an hour.
Inflation adjusted, that is near $33 an hour; almost $70k a year.
I bet that rate is still around $15/hr; inflation adjusted to 1990 would have been around $7 an hour.
And that no citizen is doing that work anymore.
That's how bad illegal immigration fucks over Americans
And the immigrants.
Back in the 90s, folks in my home town were commuting 80+ miles to the resort and ski area to the north to work landscaping jobs.
IIRC, the going rate was $15 an hour.
Inflation adjusted, that is near $33 an hour; almost $70k a year.
I bet that rate is still around $15/hr; inflation adjusted to 1990 would have been around $7 an hour.
And that no citizen is doing that work anymore.
That's how bad illegal immigration fucks over Americans
And the immigrants.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 10, 2025 12:06 PM (VlU/R)
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Sotomayor is only considered a reasonably sober jurist because we now see she can see the obvious, which KJB can't.
She'll still vote as she always did, but the comity in the chambers is going to be...strained.
KJB won't be able to convince anyone of anything. She'll be an island to herself.
She'll be one of the least effective justices in SCOTUS history.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Court interdynamics is similar to Kremlinology. Simply put, it is a long term relationship that lasts longer than many of these justices' marriages until death or disability do they part.
We find out about a lot of the personal relationships decades later unless there is some sort of crisis like Justice Douglas trying to hold on as a justice. That crisis required all eight other justices threatening to support his impeachment if he did not resign because of senility and alcoholism.
She'll still vote as she always did, but the comity in the chambers is going to be...strained.
KJB won't be able to convince anyone of anything. She'll be an island to herself.
She'll be one of the least effective justices in SCOTUS history.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Court interdynamics is similar to Kremlinology. Simply put, it is a long term relationship that lasts longer than many of these justices' marriages until death or disability do they part.
We find out about a lot of the personal relationships decades later unless there is some sort of crisis like Justice Douglas trying to hold on as a justice. That crisis required all eight other justices threatening to support his impeachment if he did not resign because of senility and alcoholism.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 12:07 PM (ctrM5)
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Up to Congress? So, never gonna happen.
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Up to Congress? So, never gonna happen.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at July 10, 2025 12:07 PM (UmB+t)
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There'll be a lot of solo dissents in her future.
Posted by: WisRich at July 10, 2025 12:06 PM (G0vdT)
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Which will piss off Roberts. There's nothing he likes more than a unanimous decision.
If he can't get it anymore, is he happy with 8-1s or does he soften the overall stance and ends up getting grounds for 5-4 conservative majority decisions more frequently?
There'll be a lot of solo dissents in her future.
Posted by: WisRich at July 10, 2025 12:06 PM (G0vdT)
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Which will piss off Roberts. There's nothing he likes more than a unanimous decision.
If he can't get it anymore, is he happy with 8-1s or does he soften the overall stance and ends up getting grounds for 5-4 conservative majority decisions more frequently?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 12:07 PM (GBKbO)
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254 All the while, she’s thinking that she’s super smart and important.
Such as huge concentration of the Dunning Kruger effect.
It's obvious that ACB is actively turned off by her, that KJB's arguments are derailing any effort Kagan is making to convince anyone else of her side, and that even Sotomayor is realizing that she's dumb as a box of rocks.
KJB may end up pushing the court further to the right than another Thomas could.
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Somehow during Biden we slipped into Dunning Kruger meats Wile E Coyote all across the board. It's stunning.
Posted by: Smellslikevictory at July 10, 2025 12:06 PM (jPdyB)
They produce sub-par meat.
Such as huge concentration of the Dunning Kruger effect.
It's obvious that ACB is actively turned off by her, that KJB's arguments are derailing any effort Kagan is making to convince anyone else of her side, and that even Sotomayor is realizing that she's dumb as a box of rocks.
KJB may end up pushing the court further to the right than another Thomas could.
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Somehow during Biden we slipped into Dunning Kruger meats Wile E Coyote all across the board. It's stunning.
Posted by: Smellslikevictory at July 10, 2025 12:06 PM (jPdyB)
They produce sub-par meat.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 12:07 PM (ynpvh)
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Hand to G*d- a week ago yesterday a female yard crew leader (white) was outside our condo giving a tutorial on leaf blowing to a young (white) male.
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Oh, the many jokes that the male tutee must have made when back among his fellow male cohorts.
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Oh, the many jokes that the male tutee must have made when back among his fellow male cohorts.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at July 10, 2025 12:07 PM (sX1BW)
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The hot new thing on the interboobs is foodies going to India and getting the most disgusting street vendors on video while they cook with their nasty hands and feet in the food and the foodie eating it and getting sick or passing because it is just too nasty.
This is the real India.
This is the real India.
Posted by: Babu Rangmangdingdong at July 10, 2025 12:08 PM (r/wv3)
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258 Court interdynamics is similar to Kremlinology. Simply put, it is a long term relationship that lasts longer than many of these justices' marriages until death or disability do they part.
We find out about a lot of the personal relationships decades later unless there is some sort of crisis like Justice Douglas trying to hold on as a justice. That crisis required all eight other justices threatening to support his impeachment if he did not resign because of senility and alcoholism.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 12:07 PM (ctrM5)
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The other ladies on the court writing in decisions that Jackson is kind of dumb is a pretty big outward sign, though.
We find out about a lot of the personal relationships decades later unless there is some sort of crisis like Justice Douglas trying to hold on as a justice. That crisis required all eight other justices threatening to support his impeachment if he did not resign because of senility and alcoholism.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 12:07 PM (ctrM5)
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The other ladies on the court writing in decisions that Jackson is kind of dumb is a pretty big outward sign, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 12:08 PM (GBKbO)
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By that I meant the left slipped in. From Bacon is a spice for president to mostly peaceful illegals protesting to KJB.
Posted by: Smellslikevictory at July 10, 2025 12:08 PM (jPdyB)
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263 The hot new thing on the interboobs is foodies going to India and getting the most disgusting street vendors on video while they cook with their nasty hands and feet in the food and the foodie eating it and getting sick or passing because it is just too nasty.
This is the real India.
Posted by: Babu Rangmangdingdong at July 10, 2025 12:08 PM (r/wv3)
Now go bathe in Ganges; it's sacred. So sacred everybody there shits in it.
This is the real India.
Posted by: Babu Rangmangdingdong at July 10, 2025 12:08 PM (r/wv3)
Now go bathe in Ganges; it's sacred. So sacred everybody there shits in it.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 12:08 PM (ynpvh)
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We find out about a lot of the personal relationships decades later unless there is some sort of crisis like Justice Douglas trying to hold on as a justice. That crisis required all eight other justices threatening to support his impeachment if he did not resign because of senility and alcoholism.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 12:07 PM (ctrM5)
His behavior must have been outrageous, because both Thurgood Marshall and William Rhenquist were allowed to hang on for a couple of years after they were virtually comatose. I still remember the pictures of Rhenquist being rolled into the court looking like the original Captain Pike.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 12:07 PM (ctrM5)
His behavior must have been outrageous, because both Thurgood Marshall and William Rhenquist were allowed to hang on for a couple of years after they were virtually comatose. I still remember the pictures of Rhenquist being rolled into the court looking like the original Captain Pike.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2025 12:09 PM (uWKK8)
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"All teenagers, especially males, ought to have a least one job in which they bust their ass all day long and come home dead tired."
And then crack open a cold beer.
And then crack open a cold beer.
Posted by: Dark Litigator at July 10, 2025 12:09 PM (KAi1n)
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Well I'm totally off today. Maybe the retardary is catching.
Posted by: Smellslikevictory at July 10, 2025 12:09 PM (jPdyB)
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>She'll be one of the least effective justices in SCOTUS history.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,
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damn shame that such an important post was filled on the basis of skin color and naughty bits
her biggest accomplishment will be Sitting There
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,
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damn shame that such an important post was filled on the basis of skin color and naughty bits
her biggest accomplishment will be Sitting There
Posted by: Don Black. at July 10, 2025 12:09 PM (AOsQT)
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As someone who works extensively with Indians, the notion of their "tech talent" is overblown.
Combining education with practical skill to create things that reliably work is still an American thing. You find it less here - but you will not find it at all anywhere else.
Combining education with practical skill to create things that reliably work is still an American thing. You find it less here - but you will not find it at all anywhere else.
Posted by: Doug Roberts at July 10, 2025 12:09 PM (xPpl6)
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NOOD Sekret Service Agents
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 12:09 PM (ynpvh)
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If he can't get it anymore, is he happy with 8-1s or does he soften the overall stance and ends up getting grounds for 5-4 conservative majority decisions more frequently?
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Her dissents will be so off the wall that fence sitters will just abandoned that side even if Kagan is making a more "reasonable" case.
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Her dissents will be so off the wall that fence sitters will just abandoned that side even if Kagan is making a more "reasonable" case.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at July 10, 2025 12:09 PM (sX1BW)
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Honestly, I think KJB's a gift. A constant reminder of what DEI brings to the table and a constant reminder of the worthlessness that was the *biden junta and the Republicans who voted to confirm her. Seriously, SCOTUS now firmly embedded in sitcom territory.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 10, 2025 12:10 PM (Q4IgG)
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270 >She'll be one of the least effective justices in SCOTUS history.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,
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damn shame that such an important post was filled on the basis of skin color and naughty bits
her biggest accomplishment will be Sitting There
Posted by: Don Black. at July 10, 2025 12:09 PM (AOsQT)
Is she attracted to the same types of naughty bits she possesses? That would be another plus...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,
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damn shame that such an important post was filled on the basis of skin color and naughty bits
her biggest accomplishment will be Sitting There
Posted by: Don Black. at July 10, 2025 12:09 PM (AOsQT)
Is she attracted to the same types of naughty bits she possesses? That would be another plus...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 12:10 PM (ynpvh)
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Which will piss off Roberts. There's nothing he likes more than a unanimous decision.
If he can't get it anymore, is he happy with 8-1s or does he soften the overall stance and ends up getting grounds for 5-4 conservative majority decisions more frequently?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 12:07 PM (GBKbO)
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She seems to be okay on contract law but when it comes to policy questions and the Constitution...aah boy.
If he can't get it anymore, is he happy with 8-1s or does he soften the overall stance and ends up getting grounds for 5-4 conservative majority decisions more frequently?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for thrills with John Frankenheimer at July 10, 2025 12:07 PM (GBKbO)
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She seems to be okay on contract law but when it comes to policy questions and the Constitution...aah boy.
Posted by: WisRich at July 10, 2025 12:10 PM (G0vdT)
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Non-natives will always give hiring preference to their own ethnic group. If the government provides a way for them to get more of that group into the country, they'll use it.
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Never hire an Indian or Chinese to run any department in tech.
I've heard so many stories of companies that put them in charge of hiring and, within years, the entire department is replaced with all of theirs.
And utterly incompetent while feverishly covering for each other.
This is why all of your electronics are shit, even the "good" American brands.
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Never hire an Indian or Chinese to run any department in tech.
I've heard so many stories of companies that put them in charge of hiring and, within years, the entire department is replaced with all of theirs.
And utterly incompetent while feverishly covering for each other.
This is why all of your electronics are shit, even the "good" American brands.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 10, 2025 12:10 PM (VlU/R)
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274 Honestly, I think KJB's a gift. A constant reminder of what DEI brings to the table and a constant reminder of the worthlessness that was the *biden junta and the Republicans who voted to confirm her. Seriously, SCOTUS now firmly embedded in sitcom territory.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 10, 2025 12:10 PM (Q4IgG)
When retarded is a point of view...
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 10, 2025 12:10 PM (Q4IgG)
When retarded is a point of view...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 10, 2025 12:11 PM (ynpvh)
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My fncking brain hurts
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Posted by: Kindltot at July 10, 2025 12:11 PM (D7oie)
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His behavior must have been outrageous, because both Thurgood Marshall and William Rhenquist were allowed to hang on for a couple of years after they were virtually comatose.
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Both had statuses that made them virtually untouchable.
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Both had statuses that made them virtually untouchable.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at July 10, 2025 12:11 PM (sX1BW)
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280 His behavior must have been outrageous, because both Thurgood Marshall and William Rhenquist were allowed to hang on for a couple of years after they were virtually comatose.
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Both had statuses that made them virtually untouchable.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at July 10, 2025 12:11 PM (sX1BW)
We have untouchables too.
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Both had statuses that made them virtually untouchable.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at July 10, 2025 12:11 PM (sX1BW)
We have untouchables too.
Posted by: India at July 10, 2025 12:12 PM (ynpvh)
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Perhaps, courts do love a good old reliance argument.
Posted by: SH (no more socks)
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Courts in a long line of cases has proposed that Congress has plenary power over immigration and the few Robert's court decisions like Trump v. Hawaii have reiterated that. So relatively easy for Roberts, etc. to persuade the Court to do that.
Technically, as they have in criminal cases, they can apply grandfathering to prior cases where children born to illegals prior to Trump declaration are American citizens but those after are not. That requires more legal reasoning to support such a distinction.
A few times, the Court has simply ruled and left the political branches to fix the problem.
One such way would be that Congress will feel immense pressure if Scotus allowed Trump's declaration to stand to allow grandfathering of past pseudo natural born illegals in exchange for banning future pseudo natural born illegals.
Posted by: SH (no more socks)
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Courts in a long line of cases has proposed that Congress has plenary power over immigration and the few Robert's court decisions like Trump v. Hawaii have reiterated that. So relatively easy for Roberts, etc. to persuade the Court to do that.
Technically, as they have in criminal cases, they can apply grandfathering to prior cases where children born to illegals prior to Trump declaration are American citizens but those after are not. That requires more legal reasoning to support such a distinction.
A few times, the Court has simply ruled and left the political branches to fix the problem.
One such way would be that Congress will feel immense pressure if Scotus allowed Trump's declaration to stand to allow grandfathering of past pseudo natural born illegals in exchange for banning future pseudo natural born illegals.
Posted by: whig at July 10, 2025 12:12 PM (ctrM5)
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198 Thanks.
Had my appendix explode, but am doing fine now, after a lengthy recovery.
It's the one medical problem that you only have once.
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Been there. Done that. What is with our warranties on defective appendix?
Had my appendix explode, but am doing fine now, after a lengthy recovery.
It's the one medical problem that you only have once.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
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Been there. Done that. What is with our warranties on defective appendix?
Posted by: pudinhead at July 10, 2025 12:12 PM (W3T6M)
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192 Almost no one wants to work, but people do it because they want goods and services. Yes some people have "jobs they love" but that's honestly rare.
And this is oddly something the left doesn't get about the economy.
So if salaries go up more people will take jobs. And removing illegals/H1Bs will increase the salaries of this jobs (supply and demand)
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:53 AM (t0Rmr)
No it's those damn lazy kids and their avocado phones!
And this is oddly something the left doesn't get about the economy.
So if salaries go up more people will take jobs. And removing illegals/H1Bs will increase the salaries of this jobs (supply and demand)
Posted by: 18-1 at July 10, 2025 11:53 AM (t0Rmr)
No it's those damn lazy kids and their avocado phones!
Posted by: And their iToast! at July 10, 2025 12:13 PM (TbWk/)
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India.Cholera, dead animals and human waste in the rivers. Plague, leprosy. 28 languages. And they have nukes.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at July 10, 2025 12:13 PM (gm9Sb)
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India is still one of the poorest, dirtiest, and most backward places on earth. Bring their tech talent here. Our tech sector will become richer and smarter.
All India is doing these days is serving as the world's call center.
Posted by: Diabeetus at July 10, 2025 11:39 AM (S+el1)
For every brilliant Indian engineer, you get a hundred plodders.
All India is doing these days is serving as the world's call center.
Posted by: Diabeetus at July 10, 2025 11:39 AM (S+el1)
For every brilliant Indian engineer, you get a hundred plodders.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 10, 2025 12:15 PM (m6YJY)
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"Had my appendix explode, but am doing fine now, after a lengthy recovery."
Caught my spouse's early. Had it out last Odin's day.
Caught my spouse's early. Had it out last Odin's day.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at July 10, 2025 12:16 PM (rbw5v)
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"Almost no one wants to work, but people do it because they want goods and services. Yes some people have "jobs they love" but that's honestly rare."
I work because I like sleeping indoors and eating hot meals.
I work because I like sleeping indoors and eating hot meals.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at July 10, 2025 12:18 PM (rbw5v)
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The illegals in the construction trades are not working for low wages. They are paid just as much as USA citizens. The people who keep arguing that they are getting slave wages don't know what they are talking about. The savings for employers is in the FICA, UI, Workman's Comp, etc that they have to cover for legal employees. It about doubles the cost of wages.
Posted by: Ignore contards at July 10, 2025 02:06 PM (g4Mek)
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Employing illegals is a two-fer for employers who employ illegals. It's not just the lower pay. It's also that these workers have no rights. Injured on the job? Fired. No workers' comp for you. Sexually harassed or, worse yet, sexually assaulted on the job? Keep your mouth shut or you'll be fired and/or deported. Health care mandates? That's what the whole "free healthcare for illegals" mantra is all about.
I hate to sound like I'm channeling my inner Marxist here, but the exploitation runs deeper than mere low pay.
I hate to sound like I'm channeling my inner Marxist here, but the exploitation runs deeper than mere low pay.
Posted by: Schroedinger's Cat Wears the Emperor's New Clothes at July 10, 2025 02:12 PM (bWR5k)
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I framed. I worked at a nursery. I mowed laws. As a job.
I did all the work they say they need illegals for.
I did all the work they say they need illegals for.
Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at July 10, 2025 02:57 PM (gDhA9)
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289 The illegals in the construction trades are not working for low wages. They are paid just as much as USA citizens. The people who keep arguing that they are getting slave wages don't know what they are talking about. The savings for employers is in the FICA, UI, Workman's Comp, etc that they have to cover for legal employees. It about doubles the cost of wages. Posted by: Ignore contards at July 10, 2025 02:06 PM (g4Mek)
Yep!
Worse still, the illegals get to CLAIM those benefits without anyone paying into the system.
Yep!
Worse still, the illegals get to CLAIM those benefits without anyone paying into the system.
Posted by: El Mariachi - Attorney at Law at July 10, 2025 02:57 PM (gDhA9)
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