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Big Unbeautiful Bill Passes Senate with Vance's Tie-Breaking Vote
It now moves back to the House, which will either vote for it or add amendments.
Nick Sortor
@nicksortor
BREAKING: Trump's One Big Beautiful Bill has officially PASSED the U.S. Senate, with JD Vance breaking the tie It now heads back to the House for a vote on the changes made. It COULD still hit Trump's desk by July 4th.
✅ PASSED: @VP casts the deciding vote as the Senate approves the One Big Beautiful Bill — moving it back to the House and one step closer to President Trump's desk. pic.twitter.com/zAcMgrxS0z
— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) July 1, 2025
Time to FIRE the Democrat Parliamentarian!🚨
— Jay 🇺🇸 (@RapidResponseXY) June 30, 2025
The U.S. Senate rejects the measure to kick illegal aliens off Medicaid even after a 56-44 vote while only needing 51 voted.
All because she decided it needed 60 votes! pic.twitter.com/7a4JU2BLm2
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 01, 2025 12:18 PM (iFTx/)
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Or conference.
I predict conference.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:18 PM (GBKbO)
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Or conference.
I predict conference.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
I predict pain.
Posted by: Clubber Lang at July 01, 2025 12:19 PM (BO/pB)
Posted by: Archimedes at July 01, 2025 12:19 PM (Riz8t)
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For decades I never heard about this position and the authority that goes with it. Then... Trump comes along and, well....
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 01, 2025 12:19 PM (Q4IgG)
Posted by: Thanatopsis at July 01, 2025 12:19 PM (GYt5+)
Is it really as simple as that, she has that much power? If so, that's absolutely rage-inducing.
Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I WAS The Science at July 01, 2025 12:20 PM (8hxDK)
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 01, 2025 12:20 PM (W2Pud)
Is it really as simple as that, she has that much power? If so, that's absolutely rage-inducing.
One person decides national policy? I thought kings were bad.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 01, 2025 12:21 PM (Riz8t)
What Trump has managed to do in just 6 months in office is incredible. Did we all ever in our wildest imaginations expect this much Winning!
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 01, 2025 12:21 PM (t/2Uw)
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For decades I never heard about this position and the authority that goes with it. Then... Trump comes along and, well....
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 01, 2025 12:19 PM (Q4IgG)
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Murkowski and Collins would have been a No if they fired her.
Posted by: redridinghood at July 01, 2025 12:21 PM (NpAcC)
Posted by: illiniwek at July 01, 2025 12:21 PM (vbXSk)
Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2025 12:21 PM (fV+MH)
Posted by: Ludwig Siegfried at July 01, 2025 12:21 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: Maroon at July 01, 2025 12:21 PM (EEXzv)
Posted by: Archimedes at July 01, 2025 12:21 PM (Riz8t)
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I suspect the House will put it back in. Then the Senate will have to pass the House version whole hog in which case they get the 51 votes to override the parliamentarian.
This drama is tiresome.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:22 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: toby928 reminds you at July 01, 2025 12:22 PM (jc0TO)
Posted by: Mr Gaga at July 01, 2025 12:22 PM (zeLd4)
Posted by: ... at July 01, 2025 12:22 PM (VPwHp)
Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2025 12:22 PM (fV+MH)
Posted by: ... at July 01, 2025 12:22 PM (VPwHp)
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It would help if I learned to read!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:22 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Bulg at July 01, 2025 12:22 PM (77rzZ)
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You only have power that others cede to you. Sometimes power is ceded to avoid putting your name on it. That's all the parliamentarian is. She is merely an instrument ... like Roger Goodell.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at July 01, 2025 12:22 PM (sX1BW)
It's weird that 44 dems would vote against a thing that doesn't exist.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 01, 2025 12:23 PM (1GV/C)
Voters overwhelmingly want illegals catapulted back over the wall. If they can't get that, then voters at least want illegals cut off from benefits. This is 80-20 if not 90-10.
But still the GOP fingers its asshole at voters. I despise these fucking maggots.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 01, 2025 12:23 PM (iFTx/)
Posted by: Ace at 12:16 PM
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Well, at least one of the RINOs will be going. But anyway, Eff 'em all, the long and the short and the tall.
Posted by: Eeyore at July 01, 2025 12:23 PM (od0dV)
Posted by: ... at July 01, 2025 12:23 PM (VPwHp)
Posted by: Zeno the Stoic at July 01, 2025 12:23 PM (EtZ9h)
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For decades I never heard about this position and the authority that goes with it. Then... Trump comes along and, well....
Posted by: Martini Farmer
Funny that. It's my understanding that the current holder of this position was put there by Harry f-ing Reid. A literal dead man's switch.
Posted by: Stu Podaso at July 01, 2025 12:23 PM (BO/pB)
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at July 01, 2025 12:23 PM (8iNlE)
One person decides national policy? I thought kings were bad.
Kings are bad. Queens are both stunning and brave.
Posted by: Ian S. at July 01, 2025 12:23 PM (QZThv)
Posted by: night lifted at July 01, 2025 12:23 PM (FZn/N)
Posted by: brak at July 01, 2025 12:24 PM (jGJov)
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Is it really as simple as that, she has that much power? If so, that's absolutely rage-inducing.
Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I WAS The Science at July 01, 2025 12:20 PM (8hxDK)
Why, it's almost as if everything in DC is arranged to avoid making any real changes, no matter what the voters want.
Almost.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2025 12:24 PM (dGCAG)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at July 01, 2025 12:24 PM (luW68)
Posted by: Don Black. Message: get to da choppah at July 01, 2025 12:24 PM (AOsQT)
LOL, comedy gold, Ace
being true just makes it better!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at July 01, 2025 12:24 PM (Z5NUn)
Bathootie?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 01, 2025 12:24 PM (Riz8t)
This drama is tiresome.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:22 PM (GBKbO)
I hope so. Removing incentives for aliens to come and/or stay here illegally is top priority, imo nearly as important as expelling them. Of course there's also the immediate cost savings in not providing the benefits.
Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I WAS The Science at July 01, 2025 12:24 PM (8hxDK)
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at July 01, 2025 12:23 PM (8iNlE)
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True, but you can be sure the parliamentarian will never cross the Democraps, so there will be no need to overrule her.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 01, 2025 12:24 PM (iFTx/)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:22 PM (GBKbO)
I have never seen someone apologize so many times for a brain fart. I think now you should apologize for all the apologies.
Posted by: ... at July 01, 2025 12:25 PM (VPwHp)
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at July 01, 2025 12:25 PM (w9Wax)
Posted by: Zeno the Stoic at July 01, 2025 12:23 PM (EtZ9h)
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I don't think he has the power to ignore her. He can call a vote to override.
Vance can ignore her since she's essentially his proxy for rule keeping in the chamber.
But, again, this isn't over. The House, which passed a version with the Medicaid cuts, still has another say. The Senate knows more bullshit is coming on any conference version.
We're not out of drama on this, but I suspect the Medicaid cuts end up in the final version on Trump's desk.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:25 PM (GBKbO)
You Rethugs should roll that thing up and shove it straight up my ass!
Posted by: Peter Bootygig at July 01, 2025 12:25 PM (tK8/F)
Posted by: Archimedes
She truly is a king. Decides national policy. Never was elected. That's kang territory.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2025 12:25 PM (KdGoM)
Posted by: Ludwig Siegfried at July 01, 2025 12:25 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: toddg at July 01, 2025 12:25 PM (HsIYU)
There have only been SIX Senate Parliamentarians since the position was founded in 1935.
The first one, Charles L. Watkins, served for 30 years.
Two of them had non-consecutive terms.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 01, 2025 12:25 PM (7fElN)
Posted by: runner at July 01, 2025 12:25 PM (g47mK)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:22 PM (GBKbO)
I have never seen someone apologize so many times for a brain fart. I think now you should apologize for all the apologies.
Posted by: ... at July 01, 2025 12:25 PM (VPwHp)
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*rends garments*
STELLA!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:25 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Archimedes at July 01, 2025 12:21 PM (Riz8t)
Who does she think she is, a district judge?
Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2025 12:26 PM (dGCAG)
Posted by: Nelly at July 01, 2025 12:26 PM (cHLus)
Bathootie?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 01, 2025 12:24 PM (Riz8t)
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I made it up. It sounds fake and gay and lame, so I used it.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 01, 2025 12:26 PM (iFTx/)
IDK if this is such a "win" for the GOPe and the Democrats.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 01, 2025 12:26 PM (LbQ3Z)
1. "Sorry, we can't do anything until we have both houses of Congress, the Executive Branch, and a clear majority in the Judicial branch. But if we had all that, you would really see!!"
2. Us: Ok, here you go.
3. "Did we mention we also need the Senate Parliamentarian."
Posted by: ... at July 01, 2025 12:26 PM (VPwHp)
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 01, 2025 12:26 PM (t/2Uw)
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 01, 2025 12:27 PM (PiwSw)
Looks likely that 3 of those 4 will be out of the Senate after '26.
Colin Allred (dem) just announced he's going to run for Senator against either Cornyn or Paxton. I take that as a good sign; he'll probably keep Beto out of the race, and Allred just lost to Ted Cruz, 53 - 44, and there's no reason he would fare any better in a second try. In fact, Paxton may be more popular than Cruz.
Paxton is similar to Trump - all the establishment types hate him, but the voters love him. And none of the complaints against him are new, they're all quite old now.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 01, 2025 12:27 PM (uWKK8)
This drama is tiresome.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:22 PM (GBKbO)
A lot of sausage being ground for the hungry masses yearning for their share of pork. I hope the US Senate included a reasonable amount of funding for a meatgrinder rebuild.
Posted by: mrp at July 01, 2025 12:27 PM (rj6Yv)
Posted by: Don Black. Message: get to da choppah at July 01, 2025 12:24 PM (AOsQT)
And that chance is about 99.9% certain.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2025 12:27 PM (dGCAG)
It would be a good idea.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:27 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: tubal at July 01, 2025 12:27 PM (PCK5/)
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 01, 2025 12:27 PM
ISWYDT
Posted by: toby928 at July 01, 2025 12:27 PM (jc0TO)
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supposedly it was her interpretation of some arcane rule that says some things need this many votes, and other things need that many votes.
But the cruncher is, that an unelected person is wielding that sort of power, and apparently GOP Senators are helpless before her.
Posted by: Don Black. Message: get to da choppah at July 01, 2025 12:27 PM (AOsQT)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at July 01, 2025 12:27 PM (Z5NUn)
Bathootie?
Posted by: Archimedes at July 01, 2025 12:24 PM (Riz8t)
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I made it up. It sounds fake and gay and lame, so I used it.
I think that's just caratonulent.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 01, 2025 12:28 PM (Riz8t)
Almost.
our precious democracy!
Posted by: the media at July 01, 2025 12:28 PM (jGJov)
Posted by: ... at July 01, 2025 12:22 PM (VPwHp)
He who pays the piper calls the Thune.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 01, 2025 12:28 PM (iPe48)
Posted by: Archimedes at July 01, 2025 12:24 PM (Riz8t)
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I made it up. It sounds fake and gay and lame, so I used it.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade
I figured Siri had a brain fart.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2025 12:28 PM (KdGoM)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 01, 2025 12:28 PM (eBgDF)
This drama is tiresome.
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That's where I'm at: What rule is there to stop the conference from putting it back in?
To quote the Experts on the Rules, when they were ramming Obamacare through:
"There are no rules here, we make it up as we go."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 01, 2025 12:28 PM (LbQ3Z)
Posted by: WitchDoktor at July 01, 2025 12:28 PM (PzXaK)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 01, 2025 12:28 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2025 12:29 PM (fV+MH)
Shouldn't we be discussing the filibuster? I am not at all clear that it's a net positive anymore. And I'm a genuine conservative - even a reactionary - and disinclined to support change. But there is a time that things just have gotten moldy, and have to go.
There is a lot in our system based on the notion that, despite being opposed, both sides have SOMETHING in common. I'm starting to wonder if I have more in common with the Mahometans than with American leftists. At least the latter dislike abortion and transing kids.
Posted by: Eeyore at July 01, 2025 12:29 PM (od0dV)
But the cruncher is, that an unelected person is wielding that sort of power, and apparently GOP Senators are helpless before her.
Posted by: Don Black. Message: get to da choppah at July 01, 2025 12:27 PM (AOsQT)
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What counts under reconciliation has to be purely budget related. She says this Medicaid thing is a policy decision, so it doesn't count for reconciliation.
Really, the only reason I can see why Vance hasn't nuked her decision yet is because Murkowski needed some decorum in the stupid process to vote yes.
But, again, it's going to be an up and down vote on the revised House version, or the conference version, in a few days.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:29 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 01, 2025 12:29 PM (9Ukco)
Posted by: It's me donna at July 01, 2025 12:29 PM (VE6XX)
Posted by: Don Black. Message: get to da choppah at July 01, 2025 12:29 PM (AOsQT)
Is it really as simple as that, she has that much power? If so, that's absolutely rage-inducing.
Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I WAS The Science at July 01, 2025 12:20 PM (8hxDK)
It has to do with the nature of the bill. Some bills are forced to "stay on topic" and the parliamentarian has decreed that certain segments of the bill, such as removing foreign invaders from Medicare, is off-topic and not allowed to be part of this bill.
That was probably not the best explanation, but yes, a majority can override the parliamentarian or just flat out replace her.
Posted by: tankdemon at July 01, 2025 12:29 PM (R256O)
Curses! Foiled again by the dastardly Parliamentarian. A tale as old as time.
Posted by: ... at July 01, 2025 12:29 PM (VPwHp)
The Senate Parliamentarian had no issue with "deem and pass" just making shit up, when the Democrats threw out every legislative rule and procedure to pass Obamacare.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 01, 2025 12:30 PM (LbQ3Z)
No one expects the Senate Parliamentarian!
Posted by: Archimedes at July 01, 2025 12:30 PM (Riz8t)
And if you ask people on the street, even people who have heard of this bill don't really give a crap. Not because of ignorance or stupidity but because it simply doesn't matter if they care or don't care. They recognize that congress is made up of people who ignore them and do whatever the hell they want. Most don't even know the bill exists.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2025 12:30 PM (dfIr7)
Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2025 12:30 PM (fV+MH)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 01, 2025 12:28 PM
Yep. Since the 1800s. It makes more sense in the House as there is supposedly more turnover and more common man types there.
Posted by: toby928 at July 01, 2025 12:30 PM (jc0TO)
Posted by: ... at July 01, 2025 12:26 PM (VPwHp)
I was reading an article from back in the day, a Senate staffer who said Senators would threaten not to vote for bills unless they were gotten a woman of ill repute to satisfy their urges.
These days, I'm sure it's not just women, but boys and girls, sheep, camel, inanimate objects... it must be hell to be a Senate staffer these days.
No wonder they take it up the poop chute in the meeting rooms. It must be the least painful part of their day.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2025 12:30 PM (dGCAG)
We'll gig 'em next time, gang!!
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at July 01, 2025 12:30 PM (/HDaX)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot
There is a House of Parliament Steak Sauce.
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at July 01, 2025 12:30 PM (w9Wax)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 01, 2025 12:30 PM (LL6Kc)
A lot of sausage being ground for the hungry masses yearning for their share of pork. I hope the US Senate included a reasonable amount of funding for a meatgrinder rebuild.
Posted by: mrp
How much sawdust is added?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 01, 2025 12:30 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2025 12:30 PM (fV+MH)
It would be a good idea.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:27 PM (GBKbO)
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It's incredible to me that this isn't the case. It's the VP that's supposed to be doing all this, as the head of the senate. The "parliamentarian" twat is just some made-up bullshit so the VP doesn't have to sit around the Senate all day.
It seems so obvious that a new VP should have his or her choice of twat. But nah. A GOP-controlled Senate with a GOP VP has the same fucking partisan twat left over from Harry Fucking Reid's days. Incredible. Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 01, 2025 12:31 PM (iFTx/)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at July 01, 2025 12:31 PM (qwx/I)
off topic??? off topic???? You're off topic!!!!! The whole freaking system is off topic!!!!!!!
Posted by: poorley remembered movie quote at July 01, 2025 12:31 PM (jGJov)
Posted by: Lex at July 01, 2025 12:31 PM (l5xX+)
Posted by: ...
Well, as old as 1935.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2025 12:31 PM (KdGoM)
I get it, Elon's company is in the top 20 of countries getting federal subsidies, he kind of depends on that cash. But he's like way too many people on the right who claim to want smaller government except in the areas they care about most.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2025 12:32 PM (dfIr7)
And why do we have a "Parliamentarian"?
Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 01, 2025 12:29 PM (9Ukco)
If we have a Parliamentarian, we should also have a Funkadelicarian.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2025 12:32 PM (dGCAG)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 01, 2025 12:32 PM (eBgDF)
Posted by: someone had to make the joke at July 01, 2025 12:33 PM (jGJov)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 01, 2025 12:33 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 01, 2025 12:28 PM (63Dwl)
George Clinton
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 01, 2025 12:33 PM (wVcYX)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 01, 2025 12:33 PM (LL6Kc)
I will go out on a limb and predict that the house passes it and it lands on Trump's desk for the 4th. All Republicans benefit from enacting the biggest tax cut in history.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 01, 2025 12:33 PM (t/2Uw)
agree totally big fat meanie!
let's take the W and then keep pushing and yelling and stuff
this is a start! we need this
Posted by: Black Orchid at July 01, 2025 12:33 PM (Pv3Rg)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 01, 2025 12:33 PM (/HVsR)
Posted by: poorley remembered movie quote
And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general?
I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society?
Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.
Gentlemen!
Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2025 12:33 PM (KdGoM)
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In this instance Evil always triumphs because the GOP is arms-deep in the grifting, just like the "evil" Democrats.
As I said in an earlier thread, I wish they just shut it all down at this point. There's already provisions in place to make sure Granny gets her social security. Don't pass or sign ANYTHING, including "continuing resolutions" or "big beautiful bills that aren't really beautiful".
Posted by: Crusader at July 01, 2025 12:34 PM (TN0g+)
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 01, 2025 12:33 PM (t/2Uw)
I agree.. The House should just pass this and move on...
Posted by: It's me donna at July 01, 2025 12:34 PM (VE6XX)
{gives GOP a blood red MAGA Parliamentarian}
...5 Hours Lay-tair...
GOP: "Well yeah sure we have the Parliamentarian, but now we have to contend with the Shmarliamentarian!! We didn't know there was an Obama appointed Shmarliamentarian! It's our crazy bad luck again!!!"
Posted by: ... at July 01, 2025 12:34 PM (VPwHp)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at July 01, 2025 12:34 PM (luW68)
Posted by: Oglebay at July 01, 2025 12:34 PM (MMp6W)
Posted by: Don Black. Message: get to da choppah at July 01, 2025 12:34 PM (AOsQT)
And they're all BS as well.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at July 01, 2025 12:34 PM (+BqEV)
Posted by: SMOD at July 01, 2025 12:34 PM (RHGPo)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 01, 2025 12:34 PM (/HVsR)
Almost.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2025 12:24 PM (dGCAG)
Strange how there seems to be entrenched powers in DC that seem to get what they want at least, oh, 90%+ of the time, voters be damned.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 01, 2025 12:34 PM (uCjyK)
I get it, Elon's company is in the top 20 of countries getting federal subsidies, he kind of depends on that cash. But he's like way too many people on the right who claim to want smaller government except in the areas they care about most.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2025 12:32 PM (dfIr7)
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He initially supported the EV cuts. Said Tesla didn't need them, and that they mostly benefitted his competition. Odd that he's now screaming that the bill does what he wanted it to do. I always suspected his support of the EV cuts was fake and gay bullshit. Seems I was right.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 01, 2025 12:34 PM (iFTx/)
Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2025 12:35 PM (fV+MH)
Posted by: I crack myself up! at July 01, 2025 12:35 PM (R2M/s)
Wasn't Parliamentarian a cigarette brand?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 01, 2025 12:34 PM (/HVsR)
I'm pretty sure you're thinking of George Clinton's backup singers.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 01, 2025 12:35 PM (uCjyK)
This drama is tiresome.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Was reading up on that in the gun thread this Sunday. That was my initial thought too but there is a provision in the Budget Act that mentions adding a 'new' provision means that 60 votes is required for passing the conference bill in the Senate. The first determination as to whether a House provision is 'new' comes from the Parliamentarian.
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2025 12:35 PM (ctrM5)
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 01, 2025 12:27 PM (PiwSw)
gonna turn this mother out....
we want the funk!
Posted by: Sturmtoddler at July 01, 2025 12:35 PM (nXhwP)
Posted by: ... at July 01, 2025 12:35 PM (VPwHp)
lol CLEARLY!
again Elon was expecting a way way WAY better payoff from PDJT
he's very sour
he's also going to waste a lot of money and energy on this third party nonsense that will go nowhere
Posted by: Black Orchid at July 01, 2025 12:36 PM (Pv3Rg)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 01, 2025 12:36 PM (LL6Kc)
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2025 12:35 PM (ctrM5)
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I was assuming that the 51 votes was on overruling the Parliamentarian at that point.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:36 PM (GBKbO)
And why do we have a "Parliamentarian"?
Posted by: Rob Crawford at July 01, 2025 12:29 PM (9Ukco)
If we have a Parliamentarian, we should also have a Funkadelicarian.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2025 12:32 PM (dGCAG)
__________
"Call me, homie"
-- Funkmaster Flex
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 01, 2025 12:36 PM (iFTx/)
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 01, 2025 12:27 PM (PiwSw)
Seconded.
Now let's tear the roof off this mutha!
Posted by: tankdemon at July 01, 2025 12:37 PM (R256O)
While I think the name is stupid, having one person whose job is to do nothing but make sure legislation is constitutional and follows the rules of the body is a good thing. But they have to be rabidly nonpartisan and neutral, which clearly this person is not.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2025 12:37 PM (dfIr7)
Posted by: night lifted at July 01, 2025 12:37 PM (FZn/N)
The Medicaid cuts will only apply to the 48 contiguous states...Hence Murkowski's vote.
I feel like there is a boulder hanging right above our heads, holding on by a thread. Folks, that thread is about to snap.
Once they know they have enough votes to pass, they give the ones in political danger the right to vote NO, its a pass for Collins cause if they needed her vote, she would have voted for it.
It will pass the House easily, and then the organized campaign to blame the Democrats for the horrendous repercussions will begin immediately.
Lisa Murkowski, you are dead to me! Nothing you can do now will make up for this
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 01, 2025 12:37 PM (JCZqz)
Posted by: It's me donna at July 01, 2025 12:37 PM (VE6XX)
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 01, 2025 12:37 PM (wVcYX)
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 01, 2025 12:37 PM (wVcYX)
I'm annoyed I missed that
Posted by: ... at July 01, 2025 12:38 PM (VPwHp)
Posted by: Don Black. Message: get to da choppah at July 01, 2025 12:34 PM (AOsQT)
Not a mistake, it was necessary. Someone has to make the rules, and anyone who does has power over the Congress. You don't want that to be the Judiciary, because the people have even less influence over them than they do their own congressmen.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 01, 2025 12:38 PM (uWKK8)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 01, 2025 12:34 PM (uCjyK)
And the 10% when they don't, somebody gets a bullet in their head.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2025 12:38 PM (dGCAG)
He's all over the place, and I suspect it is partly him being a bit mentally unstable and some amount of drugs. But he has been very consistent about getting money from the government to produce electric cars.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2025 12:38 PM (dfIr7)
GOP: "Well yeah sure we have the Parliamentarian, but now we have to contend with the Shmarliamentarian!! We didn't know there was an Obama appointed Shmarliamentarian! It's our crazy bad luck again!!!"
Posted by: ..
He's Smitty Werbenjägermanjensen
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 01, 2025 12:38 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: Martin Tell at July 01, 2025 12:38 PM (sFNX2)
oh cool I can't wait! horrendous repercussions!
lol like lower taxes
Posted by: Black Orchid at July 01, 2025 12:38 PM (Pv3Rg)
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 01, 2025 12:34 PM (iFTx/)
I hesitate to re-affirm my stance from prior to the election, when I got excoriated for that stance, but elon is not to be trusted.
The man has gotten fabulously wealthy largely off the back of various taxpayers around the world. He was a liberal darling until the winds started shifting, then he became ultra MAGA. Then he offered to "fuck us in the face" if we disagreed with his stance on unlimited H1B workers coming to the US to work for his companies and others. Just riding the wave to whatever is best for him at the moment.
I don't think he gives a shit about the US or our politics.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 01, 2025 12:38 PM (uCjyK)
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Par for the course, the only question is how much was needed.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at July 01, 2025 12:38 PM (sX1BW)
Welcome to the democrat party DU.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2025 12:38 PM (KdGoM)
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 01, 2025 12:27 PM (PiwSw)
I nominate Bulg. He's looking for work, isn't he?
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 01, 2025 12:39 PM (S/Y4j)
Posted by: Don Black. Message: get to da choppah at July 01, 2025 12:29 PM (AOsQT)mutual!
Mine too!
Posted by: Guy Fawkes, Jr. at July 01, 2025 12:39 PM (R256O)
Because you were totally going to vote for her before this? LOL
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2025 12:39 PM (dfIr7)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
Twas ever thus. Major changes in the system can only occur when you have a big majority and the country itself is not diverse. As you expand the number of interests, you increasingly make any bold moves by a government impossible which leads to governmental paralysis.
Frankly, I am surprised that Trump has gotten as much as he has in both his first and now second term.
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2025 12:39 PM (ctrM5)
Posted by: night lifted at July 01, 2025 12:37 PM (FZn/N)
You did. You just didn't realize it.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2025 12:39 PM (dGCAG)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 01, 2025 12:34 PM (/HVsR)
Parliaments are a high-priced Philip Morris brand.
Posted by: mrp at July 01, 2025 12:39 PM (rj6Yv)
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 01, 2025 12:34 PM (iFTx/)
I thought he was having a snit about cuts to "green energy" boondoggles.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 01, 2025 12:39 PM (iPe48)
Nasdaq down as Tesla shares drop.
What does,that tell you about who,is winning.?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 01, 2025 12:39 PM (t/2Uw)
Posted by: Martin Tell
IIRC, no. It was removed.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2025 12:40 PM (KdGoM)
Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2025 12:38 PM (dGCAG)
Yes, as Senator Chuck "the griller" Schumer once said "Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you"
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 01, 2025 12:40 PM (uCjyK)
Lisa Murkowski, you are dead to me! Nothing you can do now will make up for this
You guys are right. You should never vote for her again. That'll show her.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 01, 2025 12:40 PM (Riz8t)
Posted by: tubal at July 01, 2025 12:40 PM (PCK5/)
Posted by: Dark Litigator at July 01, 2025 12:40 PM (KAi1n)
1) define a man and a woman for federal law--that nukes all the tranny injunctions and lawsuits against Trump
2) Vote ID for all federal elections; also nukes current injunctions and lawsuit
I think there's more. I don't think the Democrats were fighting so hard against it just for the usual show.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 01, 2025 12:40 PM (LbQ3Z)
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Par for the course, the only question is how much was needed.
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at July 01, 2025 12:38 PM (sX1BW)
A couple grams ought to do it.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2025 12:40 PM (dGCAG)
I might disagree with you on that. They were pretty astute and gave the subject some rigorous debate. I suspect they were convinced that a population of critical thinking voters would limit that by shit canning the house and senate on a regular basis.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at July 01, 2025 12:40 PM (luW68)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 01, 2025 12:41 PM (LL6Kc)
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions
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She's dead to us too!
Imagine that- there's peace in the valley.
Posted by: Don Black. Message: get to da choppah at July 01, 2025 12:41 PM (AOsQT)
True, but you can be sure the parliamentarian will never cross the Democraps, so there will be no need to overrule her.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 01, 2025 12:24 PM (iFTx/)
I mean... she DID.
When the Dems passed the Obamacare reconciliation bill, they tried to slip in an increase to the federal minimum wage.
The Parliamentarian struck that language.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 01, 2025 12:41 PM (fCgdX)
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 01, 2025 12:37 PM (JCZqz)
Not that I'm a Murkowski fan in any way, but I can see her using a line from Scarlett O'Hara - "Why I'll cry in my Pillow every night!!!"
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 01, 2025 12:41 PM (uWKK8)
Posted by: tubal at July 01, 2025 12:41 PM (PCK5/)
well I did when I was young. Newport lights - the really skinny ones.
no nasty smell
it's a young women and I guess Black thing? they were not bad!
Posted by: Black Orchid at July 01, 2025 12:41 PM (Pv3Rg)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
Most oligarchs don't except as the US affects their financial interest and sometimes social interests (the Prizker family trannyism support comes to mind). Soros, I think, is more an agent of the US Deep State than an independent operator. He simply agreed to be the face of the CIA/IC community funding destabilization operations in foreign countries and currently the US.
Like criminals, they launder government funding through Soros to conceal its origins.
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2025 12:42 PM (ctrM5)
Posted by: tubal at July 01, 2025 12:40 PM (PCK5/)
They're alive or something. With pleasure.
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 01, 2025 12:42 PM (wVcYX)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 01, 2025 12:42 PM (w9Wax)
Frankly, I am surprised that Trump has gotten as much as he has in both his first and now second term.
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2025 12:39 PM (ctrM5)
Yes, some truth in that for sure.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 01, 2025 12:42 PM (uCjyK)
Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2025 12:39 PM (dGCAG)
If Mayorkas just handed it to them, Trump can rid us of them. On X last night, people were saying it was illegal for illegals to be on medicaid so who cares what Biddy Collins did. But who decided the law was o longer the law and gave this money to these scroungers?
Posted by: night lifted at July 01, 2025 12:42 PM (FZn/N)
Posted by: Kindltot - remember, profit is violence and choice is a tool of the oppressor at July 01, 2025 12:42 PM (D7oie)
If this bill was not passed, those would have expired, instantly raising taxes on everyone, especially middle class. This is what the Democrats mean by "tax cuts for the rich" -- not raising taxes.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2025 12:42 PM (dfIr7)
When the Dems passed the Obamacare reconciliation bill, they tried to slip in an increase to the federal minimum wage.
The Parliamentarian struck that language.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 01, 2025 12:41 PM (fCgdX)
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Different parliamentarian. This one was appointed in 2013.
This one allowed all the bullshit in the Inflation Reduction Act.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:42 PM (GBKbO)
Nasdaq down as Tesla shares drop.
What does,that tell you about who,is winning.?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 01, 2025 12:39 PM (t/2Uw)
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While I'm obviously happy that the markets are up, as I have big purchases coming due in the next 6 months, but I caution that at least 30% of the market is fake and gay. The dow could be up fat today. Then down 35% in July because of ... something. Markets are fickle little bitches.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 01, 2025 12:43 PM (iFTx/)
well I did when I was young. Newport lights - the really skinny ones.
no nasty smell
it's a young women and I guess Black thing? they were not bad!
Posted by: Black Orchid at July 01, 2025 12:41 PM (Pv3Rg)
Knew a whole lot of black people I used to work with smoked Newports, and Kools…
Posted by: tubal at July 01, 2025 12:43 PM (PCK5/)
That's huge, but they'll need to have reliable observers present in EVERY voting place, and especially in Dem cities.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 01, 2025 12:43 PM (Riz8t)
Posted by: Kindltot - remember, profit is violence and choice is a tool of the oppressor at July 01, 2025 12:42 PM (D7oie)
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Did you know that Trump let go 600,000 federal employees in his first month and none of them have been hired back?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:43 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2025 12:39 PM (ctrM5)
Me too... I understand why he was in a hurry though.. You never know with midterms... If the Dems take the house it will be impeach,impeach,impeach....
Posted by: It's me donna at July 01, 2025 12:44 PM (VE6XX)
Posted by: Virginia Slims at July 01, 2025 12:44 PM (P+mok)
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This is why people ridicule Musk for being angry at the Beautiful Bill.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2025 12:44 PM (UFztX)
So there is precedent for the GOP telling the parlimentarian to take a hike when it suits them.
And to think Trent Lott is more butch than John Thune is surreal.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 01, 2025 12:44 PM (XV/Pl)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead
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I submit their reasoning may have had merit at the time, but is now moot in light of subsequent events.
Posted by: Don Black. Message: get to da choppah at July 01, 2025 12:44 PM (AOsQT)
Posted by: Lisa Murcowski at July 01, 2025 12:44 PM (VPwHp)
Posted by: Going deep. Out. at July 01, 2025 12:44 PM (Tt19n)
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 01, 2025 12:24 PM (iFTx/)
I mean... she DID.
When the Dems passed the Obamacare reconciliation bill, they tried to slip in an increase to the federal minimum wage.
The Parliamentarian struck that language.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 01, 2025 12:41 PM (fCgdX)
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I don't think that was the same twat. This twat seems oozing 100% partisan twattery.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 01, 2025 12:44 PM (iFTx/)
Posted by: Dark Litigator
Roosevelt was a cold calculating dude that purposefully picked James Nance Garner from the House speakership in order to neuter him as VP. Roosevelt, by and large, despised the legislative branch and looked longingly at the autocrats in Euroland about how they made the trains run on time.
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2025 12:44 PM (ctrM5)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 01, 2025 12:39 PM (iPe4
I've heard that Tesla has also been investing a lot in battery storage technology, to use on grids that have lots of solar and wind.
This "renewable" electric power generation scam was always going to be Elon's Achilles Heel. He pretended that it could be compatible with what most of us want, but it really isn't. Too bad he can't quite grasp that.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 01, 2025 12:44 PM (uWKK8)
now THAT is a smile!
hey did you guys see philly is having a garbage strike again? lol the first one I was a kid
that city ALREADY smells to high heaven! this won't help
Posted by: Black Orchid at July 01, 2025 12:44 PM (Pv3Rg)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2025 12:32 PM
Exactly! It's like Michigan "conservatives" who voted against the anti-union, right-to-work candidates because they themselves are union workers. Or as we say, "They BELONG to the union."
Posted by: NaughtyPine at July 01, 2025 12:45 PM (yoqKl)
Posted by: SH (no more socks) at July 01, 2025 12:45 PM (sX1BW)
Posted by: 101s at July 01, 2025 12:45 PM (P+mok)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at July 01, 2025 12:40 PM (luW6
I think they assumed the populace would continue to be as educated and as voracious readers as they were in the mid to late 1700's in the US.
They did not foresee the advent of radio, then TV and cable news, in other words.
It is pretty notable that nearly everyone (well, other than the slaves) in the US was literate back then, and reading pamphlets and listening to people on the speaking circuits and arguing politics was a national past time. That was/is not very common around the world.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 01, 2025 12:45 PM (uCjyK)
Fundraising. They love fundraising. It's to fight for you, don't you know?
Posted by: man at July 01, 2025 12:46 PM (tubbA)
Posted by: Black Orchid at July 01, 2025 12:41 PM (Pv3Rg)
And what about the cigarettes?
Posted by: ... at July 01, 2025 12:46 PM (VPwHp)
Tax lowered to $0 but registration still required. So, the inch instead of the mile.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 01, 2025 12:46 PM (/y8xj)
Posted by: Black Orchid at July 01, 2025 12:36 PM (Pv3Rg)
Some elements of the LP are making noises to Elon to avoid the hassle of ballot access and building networks from the ground up, and instead pick up something out of the bargain bin for repurposing.
Posted by: Kindltot - remember, profit is violence and choice is a tool of the oppressor at July 01, 2025 12:46 PM (D7oie)
That Thune guy is a piece of shit.
I knew when they forced that empty headed jerkoff in there he would be a traitor.
Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at July 01, 2025 12:46 PM (et1vG)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 01, 2025 12:42 PM (w9Wax)
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well-played
I nominate for some sort of blog honor or recognition.
Posted by: Don Black. Message: get to da choppah at July 01, 2025 12:46 PM (AOsQT)
Posted by: Black Orchid at July 01, 2025 12:46 PM (Pv3Rg)
Posted by: Like a cigarette should at July 01, 2025 12:46 PM (P+mok)
Posted by: It's me donna
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There is also the fact that the last two years of a second term mean that all attention turns to the 2028 election.
Trump is trying to position his successor for success in that endeavor.
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2025 12:47 PM (ctrM5)
They did not foresee the advent of radio, then TV and cable news, in other words.
It is pretty notable that nearly everyone (well, other than the slaves) in the US was literate back then, and reading pamphlets and listening to people on the speaking circuits and arguing politics was a national past time. That was/is not very common around the world.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 01, 2025 12:45 PM (uCjyK)
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My reading of the Federalist Papers includes the observation that Hamilton in particular was deeply, deeply dismissive of the morals, intelligence, and ability of state legislators.
It struck me because he also wrote extensively about how the federal legislators wouldn't be like that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:47 PM (GBKbO)
Concur. Once Madison demonstrated the congress could write themselves a check just by passing pork for their constituents, it was game over.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at July 01, 2025 12:47 PM (luW68)
This one allowed all the bullshit in the Inflation Reduction Act.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:42 PM (GBKbO)
They need to shitcan the current Parliamentarian, and replace her with Rand Paul.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 01, 2025 12:47 PM (iPe48)
Posted by: Kindltot - remember, profit is violence and choice is a tool of the oppressor at July 01, 2025 12:42 PM (D7oie)
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Did you know that Trump let go 600,000 federal employees in his first month and none of them have been hired back?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu
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This reads like winning.
But the adversary will not until unconditional surrender. And the enemy is within.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2025 12:47 PM (UFztX)
ha ha!!!
well played three dots
Posted by: Black Orchid at July 01, 2025 12:46 PM (Pv3Rg)
Funny… I was Camel filters guy… nobody liked us..
Posted by: tubal at July 01, 2025 12:47 PM (PCK5/)
He knows how to sell. Even if the bill is an ugly abomination, and not at all the regular order we were promised, people keep saying "beautiful", so it becomes just that through the power of repetition.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 01, 2025 12:48 PM (Riz8t)
Posted by: pudinhead at July 01, 2025 12:48 PM (W3T6M)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:42 PM (GBKbO)
Ah. I didn't know that.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 01, 2025 12:48 PM (fCgdX)
This one allowed all the bullshit in the Inflation Reduction Act.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:42 PM (GBKbO)
Which did the opposite
Posted by: It's me donna at July 01, 2025 12:48 PM (VE6XX)
Posted by: Silhouette of a cowboy on his horse at July 01, 2025 12:48 PM (P+mok)
Posted by: It's me donna at July 01, 2025 12:44 PM (VE6XX)
For all the predictions, House comes down to two things:
1) How is the economy doing?
2) How good a job has been done on candidate selection?
I think the economy will be in great shape; the GOP has usually screwed up candidate selection, but there's really no excuse for making that mistake this time around.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 01, 2025 12:48 PM (uWKK8)
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Because you were totally going to vote for her before this? LOL
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LOL, right?
"I was going to vote for Lisa but [Democrat to be named later] is such a high-quality and accomplished candidate that we'd be blessed to have [Democrat to be named later] in the Senate."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at July 01, 2025 12:48 PM (LbQ3Z)
Posted by: tubal at July 01, 2025 12:48 PM (PCK5/)
Posted by: It's me donna at July 01, 2025 12:49 PM (VE6XX)
It's way past time to make the Parliamentarian more fun.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at July 01, 2025 12:49 PM (o5+S3)
They need to shitcan the current Parliamentarian, and replace her with Rand Paul.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Mr. Pedantic, perfect.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2025 12:49 PM (UFztX)
Posted by: night lifted at July 01, 2025 12:42 PM (FZn/N)
I've just given up, really. I figure it doesn't matter HOW they do what they do, they'll come up with a reason, and there's not going to be enough pushback to change it.
No matter who we vote for.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2025 12:49 PM (dGCAG)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 01, 2025 12:47 PM (iPe4
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They should have done it day one of this Congress.
Right now probably pisses off too many GOP senators at the wrong moment.
The real nuclear option is for Vance to just overrule her. But, with the bill passed in the Senate, we're just waiting for the next round of this nonsense when the Senate has to vote on the modified version from the House or conference which will surely include the Medicaid stuff.
We'll see.
The Medicaid portion is a huge part of the savings of the bill.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:49 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu
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Agree. That's the path I'm seeing - if they actually want to win.
Posted by: scampydog at July 01, 2025 12:49 PM (2bFN5)
This is The Way.
Posted by: Junior Democrat Party at July 01, 2025 12:49 PM (V362x)
Posted by: whig
That doesn't address why Vance isn't doing his primary job so that the parliamentarian doesn't have to do it for him.
Posted by: Dark Litigator at July 01, 2025 12:49 PM (KAi1n)
Posted by: ... at July 01, 2025 12:50 PM (VPwHp)
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 01, 2025 12:44 PM (iFTx/)
Nope. You're correct. I was wrong.
This one is all twunt.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 01, 2025 12:50 PM (fCgdX)
DOGE identifies waste, bloat, and corruption throughout the FedGov
Trump and Johnson promise to get rid of the waste bloat and corruption in the BBB.
House bill removes little of it.
Senate bill even less.
And I'm supposed to be mad at Thom Massie and Rand Paul.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at July 01, 2025 12:50 PM (BLds9)
I will go out on a limb and predict that the house passes it and it lands on Trump's desk for the 4th. All Republicans benefit from enacting the biggest tax cut in history.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 01, 2025 12:33 PM (t/2Uw)
There may be opportunities to do more. As I understand it, the Republicans can do another reconciliation bill in this Congress - 18 months to go. If the Republicans hold the House and Senate in next year's election, hopefully with greater majorities (prayers up), they get reconciliation shots in '27 through '28. And so on. But - GOPe.
Posted by: Gref at July 01, 2025 12:50 PM (aBgBM)
Posted by: Roberts Rules of Order at July 01, 2025 12:50 PM (P+mok)
1) How is the economy doing?
2) How good a job has been done on candidate selection?
I think the economy will be in great shape; the GOP has usually screwed up candidate selection, but there's really no excuse for making that mistake this time around.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 01, 2025 12:48 PM (uWKK
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I also question the application of "traditional House midterm thinking" to the midterm of a nonconsecutive term where a majority of the electorate thinks that the previous president was cheated into office and the opposition party is having such funding troubles that it's talking about taking on debt to cover operating expenses.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:50 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Oddbob at July 01, 2025 12:46 PM
Interesting. So now it can be challenged on 2nd Amendment grounds and have to satisfy Bruen.
Posted by: toby928 at July 01, 2025 12:51 PM (jc0TO)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 01, 2025 12:51 PM (LL6Kc)
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Because you were totally going to vote for her before this? LOL
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LOL, right?
"I was going to vote for Lisa but [Democrat to be named later] is such a high-quality and accomplished candidate that we'd be blessed to have [Democrat to be named later] in the Senate."
The ONLY Murk wins is because Dems cross over and vote for her due to RCV. If they vote for the Dem instead, we'll finally be rid of her and have a real Republican.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 01, 2025 12:51 PM (Riz8t)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 01, 2025 12:51 PM (eBgDF)
BBB is a mess, but it's a better mess than we ever would have gotten passed.
The harsh reality is, the libertarian utopia guys like Rand Paul envision is out of step with America. Trump is a populist, so is most of America. That's not always "small government," but it's also not "obscene big government" like the Democrats would have if they had the congressional majority and the white house right now.
Posted by: shenanigans at July 01, 2025 12:51 PM (wGun1)
DOGE identifies waste, bloat, and corruption throughout the FedGov
Trump and Johnson promise to get rid of the waste bloat and corruption in the BBB.
House bill removes little of it.
Senate bill even less.
They are supposedly gonna deal with that through rescissions....
Posted by: It's me donna at July 01, 2025 12:51 PM (VE6XX)
As if it was orchestrated. Crazy, right?
Our political class is shit.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 01, 2025 12:51 PM (Q4IgG)
I'm glad the bill passed, warts and all.
Posted by: shenanigans at July 01, 2025 12:52 PM (wGun1)
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 01, 2025 12:43 PM (iFTx/)
Blood, Sweat, and Tears (YT)
https://tinyurl.com/yc7ymtn4
Posted by: mrp at July 01, 2025 12:52 PM (rj6Yv)
Posted by: ... at July 01, 2025 12:52 PM (VPwHp)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 01, 2025 12:51 PM (eBgDF)
Ye... I am thoroughly enjoying the Dem meltdown
Posted by: It's me donna at July 01, 2025 12:52 PM (VE6XX)
Posted by: Black Orchid at July 01, 2025 12:36 PM (Pv3Rg)
Some elements of the LP are making noises to Elon to avoid the hassle of ballot access and building networks from the ground up, and instead pick up something out of the bargain bin for repurposing.
Posted by: Kindltot
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Unless the US gets rid of first past the post elections and goes to a parliamentary system using PR, even Elon will have trouble producing an effective third party. Cordocet's Law.
Libertarians though might pull enough votes for Elon to revenge himself on the GOP though which will produce a Dem party majority that hates everything that Elon claims to value.
There is a reason that libertarianism is not even an afterthought in actual elections other than a spoiler. It does not speak to political realities but rather seeks to fundamentally change the relationship of governance requiring a very different sort of citizenry. As revolutionary in its way as Communism is.
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2025 12:53 PM (ctrM5)
me too OMG I am loving this!
please pass it!
they are ready to jump off a building it's awesome
Posted by: Black Orchid at July 01, 2025 12:53 PM (Pv3Rg)
Well, you know the old saying "never throw a shoe at an ostrich!"
Posted by: That's "Senator" Grifter to you at July 01, 2025 12:53 PM (RU1zG)
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at July 01, 2025 12:53 PM (+1O+p)
As if it was orchestrated. Crazy, right?
Our political class is shit.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 01, 2025 12:51 PM (Q4IgG)
That is crazy talk. If you just donate $5 today, we'll fight the Democrats and take back America!
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 01, 2025 12:53 PM (uCjyK)
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at July 01, 2025 12:50 PM (BLds9)
You can't do recissions through reconciliation.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 01, 2025 12:53 PM (fCgdX)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 01, 2025 12:53 PM (LL6Kc)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:49 PM (GBKbO)
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And a huge part of self-deportation.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2025 12:53 PM (UFztX)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 01, 2025 12:44 PM (XV/Pl)
There's a saying, no matter who you vote for, you always get John McCain.
I think it applies to the Senate more than it does the Presidency, but the concept is valid. Whoever goes to DC gets fed into the maul of the Deep State, and there's not really any getting out. No matter who you are, or what you believe in.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2025 12:53 PM (dGCAG)
Posted by: tubal at July 01, 2025 12:53 PM (PCK5/)
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2025 12:39 PM (ctrM5)
Bush or Regan (or Clinton) would hit one or two major policy elements and hang on like a pit bull on a tire swing. The lines have been drawn up that way for a long time, and everyone is geared for that conflict, with a formal set up, stating lines and increasing pressure.
Trump had his organization set from day one and he is all over the place He is following the idea of getting there first with the most, along with incredible coordination between widely distanced attacks to take the enemy in the sides and the rear.
It is amazing.
Posted by: Kindltot - remember, profit is violence and choice is a tool of the oppressor at July 01, 2025 12:54 PM (D7oie)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 01, 2025 12:54 PM (eBgDF)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 01, 2025 12:53 PM (LL6Kc)
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The Medicaid amendment got 56 votes (not enough for the 60 to add it in).
It could have been better.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:54 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2025 12:44 PM (ctrM5)
He didn't mind their stance on Jews either.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at July 01, 2025 12:54 PM (L5An7)
Do people "on our side" - the kind of people who read AoS -- like or dislike this bill? Overall, is it a good thing or a bad thing?
From what I can gather, the concensus seems to be:
"It ought ti have been better than it is, but it is definitely better than nothing." Correct?
Posted by: zombie at July 01, 2025 12:54 PM (pMi6S)
Libertarians though might pull enough votes for Elon to revenge himself on the GOP though which will produce a Dem party majority that hates everything that Elon claims to value.
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2025 12:53 PM (ctrM5)
I can't wait for reason to post an article about the libertarian argument for corporate subsidies to Elon Musk's companies.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 01, 2025 12:55 PM (uCjyK)
Posted by: Black Orchid at July 01, 2025 12:53 PM (Pv3Rg)
That's my new platform when I run for president:
A chicken in every pot and a skyscraper for every lib.
Posted by: ... at July 01, 2025 12:55 PM (VPwHp)
Posted by: zombie at July 01, 2025 12:54 PM (pMi6S)
I'd say yes
Posted by: It's me donna at July 01, 2025 12:55 PM (VE6XX)
Posted by: And that's a good thing at July 01, 2025 12:55 PM (P+mok)
Do people "on our side" - the kind of people who read AoS -- like or dislike this bill? Overall, is it a good thing or a bad thing?
From what I can gather, the concensus seems to be:
"It ought ti have been better than it is, but it is definitely better than nothing." Correct?
Posted by: zombie at July 01, 2025 12:54 PM (pMi6S)
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Any return to regular order is a positive.
There are very good things in the bill (still) like increased ICE funding.
It doesn't return things to 1914 spending, though, so I vote against it!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:55 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at July 01, 2025 12:55 PM (eZwyX)
"It ought ti have been better than it is, but it is definitely better than nothing." Correct?
That's what she said.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 01, 2025 12:55 PM (Riz8t)
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 01, 2025 12:56 PM (/U5Yz)
As if it was orchestrated. Crazy, right?
Our political class is shit.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 01, 2025 12:51 PM (Q4IgG)
That is crazy talk. If you just donate $5 today, we'll fight the Democrats and take back America!
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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They should be shamed in front of their families, shamed in front of their constituents.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2025 12:56 PM (UFztX)
"It ought ti have been better than it is, but it is definitely better than nothing." Correct?
Posted by: zombie at July 01, 2025 12:54 PM (pMi6S)
Here at the HQ, positions are all over the map.
Mine is: "I'm frustrated that more can't be done faster, but - reality being what it is - this is what can be done today. Baby wins are still wins, and winning compounds."
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 01, 2025 12:56 PM (fCgdX)
Just like they repealed Obamacare and secured the border.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at July 01, 2025 12:56 PM (BLds9)
It barely was, just like Black History month was very muted this year.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2025 12:56 PM (dfIr7)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 01, 2025 12:56 PM (/HVsR)
DOGE identifies waste, bloat, and corruption throughout the FedGov
Trump and Johnson promise to get rid of the waste bloat and corruption in the BBB.
House bill removes little of it.
Senate bill even less.
And I'm supposed to be mad at Thom Massie and Rand Paul.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at July 01, 2025 12:50 PM (BLds9)
I've been told Massie is really secretly a left-winger.
You know, when there's a marching band, and 434 band members turn one way, and you turn the other?
Sometimes... just sometimes, the 434 are wrong.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2025 12:56 PM (dGCAG)
Thomas Massie is that you?!
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at July 01, 2025 12:56 PM (eZwyX)
Posted by: zombie at July 01, 2025 12:56 PM (pMi6S)
Posted by: It's me donna
Still waiting to hear if they will use dem congress pukes to chum around the place.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 01, 2025 12:57 PM (PuW3C)
You know, when there's a marching band, and 434 band members turn one way, and you turn the other?
Sometimes... just sometimes, the 434 are wrong.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2025 12:56 PM (dGCAG)
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Dude voted for raising the debt ceiling under Biden.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:57 PM (GBKbO)
for me here in PA it's really good
I do benefit from the SALT deduction and I'm still against it but ya know... it's sort of comme-ci/comme-ca for me on that
there's a LOT to love in this. it shakes up the board a little bit
Posted by: Black Orchid at July 01, 2025 12:57 PM (Pv3Rg)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
There are tofu dregs in your words of death.
Posted by: Archimedes at July 01, 2025 12:57 PM (Riz8t)
Posted by: Summer Kwanzaa at July 01, 2025 12:57 PM (P+mok)
But if you try sometimes you might find
You get what you need”…
Like tax cuts, for all..
Posted by: tubal at July 01, 2025 12:57 PM (PCK5/)
Posted by: Ten Bears at July 01, 2025 12:57 PM (wVcYX)
Honestly I have not read all 900 pages to know everything in it so my inclination is to guess that its going to suck and have stuff that's awful in it, but contains some good.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2025 12:57 PM (dfIr7)
Posted by: Black Orchid at July 01, 2025 12:57 PM (Pv3Rg)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2025 12:56 PM (UFztX)
They are incapable of feeling shame.
Think of the kind of person who becomes a US Senator or a long-serving Congresscritter. Think of what kind of sociopathic, Machiavellian personality type you'd need to have to not only want those jobs, but think you deserve the job, then to be "successful" at them.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 01, 2025 12:57 PM (uCjyK)
And cheese if you know how to milk alligators.
Posted by: Dreamingrobot at July 01, 2025 12:58 PM (xHBnN)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 01, 2025 12:51 PM (eBgDF)
They will go extra insane when tens of millions fail to die as a result of BBB, as they were promised by Schumer And Co. Then extra-extra insane when Trump voters don't die by the millions, or go broke and denounce PDT, as promised by Schumer and Co.
Posted by: Gref at July 01, 2025 12:58 PM (aBgBM)
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2025 12:53 PM (ctrM5)
This has been the problem facing the LP for its entire life. Even Rothbard thought the best way forward was to be the bit of extra weight based on what was possible to achieve instead of a full party. The Dems are in all honesty a coalition, though the parts are tied to the party.
On the other hand "fundamentally changing the relationship between the individual and the government" is kind of on message for the LP
Posted by: Kindltot - remember, profit is violence and choice is a tool of the oppressor at July 01, 2025 12:58 PM (D7oie)
Just like they repealed Obamacare and secured the border.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at July 01, 2025 12:56 PM (BLds9)
Just like striking Iran means we're putting Marines on the ground in Iran and starting another 20-year disaster.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 01, 2025 12:58 PM (fCgdX)
Posted by: zombie at July 01, 2025 12:58 PM (pMi6S)
It could have been better.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:54 PM (GBKbO)
Better how? Some illegals get to keep their Medicaid?
That would have gotten to 60?
That's better??
Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2025 12:58 PM (dGCAG)
Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2025 12:56 PM (dGCAG)
If it's Congress we're talking about, then you're never going to lose your shirt betting all 435 are wrong.
Posted by: ... at July 01, 2025 12:58 PM (VPwHp)
yep he's a drama kid
Posted by: Black Orchid at July 01, 2025 12:57 PM (Pv3Rg)
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But he got empty promises then. His key vote as tie-breaker in the House Finance committee could have ended it, but he just did it to make sure things didn't get too bad.
Now that his vote doesn't matter, though, he's gonna stand on principle.
He's a blowhard who doesn't mean anything he says.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:58 PM (GBKbO)
Also if you are not a citizen, you shouldn’t get any entitlement.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at July 01, 2025 12:58 PM (Vh9CX)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 01, 2025 12:58 PM (LL6Kc)
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Or conference.
I predict conference.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
I predict pain.
Posted by: Clubber Lang at July 01, 2025 12:19 PM
I predict disappointment.
Get used to disappointment.
Posted by: Dread Pirate Westley at July 01, 2025 12:59 PM (P5BPp)
Posted by: shenanigans
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The major reason that Rand is criticizing it is because it extends the debt ceiling to past the 2026 elections. That takes away a major platform for him to pontificate and bargain his vote.
Rescission bills should be Rand's focus instead of the debt ceiling and an initial House bill doing just that has passed the House.
Part of the issue is that most of Rand's and Massie's for that matter signalling is on ill understood (by the public) process rather than actualities. Reconciliation was never going to be the big budget saver as it can only affect mandatory spending (except Social Security) and taxes.
Rescission bills have the same filibuster proof power without the role of the Senate parliamentarian but have been little used until now.
Same with making sure that administrative rules are truly dead and cannot be revived which is another law dating from the Gingrich Congress.
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2025 12:59 PM (ctrM5)
So yes, this bill, with all of its flaws, is still essential.
And Musk is a brilliant man, but he's no politician, and will never be able to build a new party.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 01, 2025 12:59 PM (uWKK8)
"It happens every time there's a high-profile crime. Law enforcement officials, in collusion with social media companies, surreptitiously disable the social media profiles of suspects, leaving Americans in the dark about their motives and political leanings.
The question is why. And who benefits?"
The chans have demonstrated pretty clearly that several mass shooting incidents in the last decade had shooters who had been contacted and likely groomed by the same apparently-glowing individuals. Something to consider aside from the usual "quick, hide the evidence that they're moonbats" thing.
Posted by: heya at July 01, 2025 12:59 PM (cIK1s)
This drama is tiresome.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
I'm confused.
I thought she said it was not germane to the bill so it was dropped and needed 60 votes (break filibuster).
Does that now change to simple majority? Because that would defeat the whole reconciliation bill theory.
Just pass original. Jam pack what the parliamentarian removed and pass again.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at July 01, 2025 01:00 PM (FxH7T)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:57 PM (GBKbO)
And you once peed your pants.
Have you heard him explain that one? I have. But you're going to claim that makes him a left-winger, because it fits your narrative.
Your narrative is wrong.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2025 01:00 PM (dGCAG)
And cheese if you know how to milk alligators.
Posted by: Dreamingrobot at July 01, 2025 12:58 PM (xHBnN)
Do alligators have milk? I wouldn't think so, but I know little of alligator reproductive behavior.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 01, 2025 01:00 PM (uCjyK)
I thought she said it was not germane to the bill so it was dropped and needed 60 votes (break filibuster).
Does that now change to simple majority? Because that would defeat the whole reconciliation bill theory.
Just pass original. Jam pack what the parliamentarian removed and pass again.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at July 01, 2025 01:00 PM (FxH7T)
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A simple majority can override the rules at any instance.
Getting the majority is the problem.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 01:00 PM (GBKbO)
"It ought ti have been better than it is, but it is definitely better than nothing." Correct?
Posted by: zombie at July 01, 2025 12:54 PM (pMi6S)
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Any return to regular order is a positive.
There are very good things in the bill (still) like increased ICE funding.
It doesn't return things to 1914 spending, though, so I vote against it!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:55 PM (GBKbO)
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The Big Beautiful Bill really isn't beautiful. It's more like a Harry Potter Tranny 6 who needs Lume and an armpit trim.
But if you're a horny teenager circling around the prom punch bowl at midnight, and there's a decent looking girl there, you make your move. Then is not the time to hold out for 25 year old Heidi Klum.
That's how I feel about this bill. Take it, notch the win, lose your virginity, and then come back for better-looking girls.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 01, 2025 01:00 PM (iFTx/)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 01, 2025 01:00 PM (LL6Kc)
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 01, 2025 01:01 PM (/U5Yz)
Have you heard him explain that one? I have. But you're going to claim that makes him a left-winger, because it fits your narrative.
Your narrative is wrong.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2025 01:00 PM (dGCAG)
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He got empty promises and didn't want to rock the boat, I know.
Because he's a man of principle.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 01:01 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Reading up on it, conference has increasingly been disfavored by the House and Senate. Probably because leaders in the House and Senate can control outcomes better via amendments than conference. Easier rules wise to simply amend the House bill with Senate additions/subtractions via a favored amendment to the bill via the Rules Cmte and thence to the floor. Quicker and less likely to have a conference cmte go off the rails.
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2025 01:01 PM (ctrM5)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2025 12:56 PM (UFztX)
They are incapable of feeling shame.
Think of the kind of person who becomes a US Senator or a long-serving Congresscritter. Think of what kind of sociopathic, Machiavellian personality type you'd need to have to not only want those jobs, but think you deserve the job, then to be "successful" at them.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 01, 2025 12:57 PM (uCjyK)
Think of Kevin Spacey's character in House of Cards.
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 01, 2025 01:01 PM (wVcYX)
1) tax cuts voted in years ago are retained
2) tax cuts for people earning tips
3) removes subsidies for "green" energy companies
4) More funding for ICE to hire agents etc
Things that I am aware of that are bad:
1) Provision weakening filibuster
2) Raising the debt ceiling by 5 trillion
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2025 01:01 PM (dfIr7)
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They won't keep their word.
They will present a host of reasons why they can't. None of the reasons will be real. Another extensional crisis will unfold to draw the public's attention away from the dog shit GOP.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 01, 2025 01:01 PM (Q4IgG)
Sure but do think SCOTUS will take it? And do you trust them to get it right if they do?
Posted by: Oddbob at July 01, 2025 01:01 PM (/y8xj)
Posted by: Gref at July 01, 2025 12:58 PM
No, THEY will have saved the children by wishing harder.
Posted by: toby928 at July 01, 2025 01:01 PM (jc0TO)
Posted by: Jen the original at July 01, 2025 01:01 PM (twdxl)
That's how I feel about this bill. Take it, notch the win, lose your virginity, and then come back for better-looking girls.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 01, 2025 01:00 PM (iFTx/)
LOL....Interesting take but I agree
Posted by: It's me donna at July 01, 2025 01:02 PM (VE6XX)
So it is no longer a serious consideration in any national political discussion.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 01, 2025 01:02 PM (uWKK8)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 12:58 PM (GBKbO)
What utter nonsense.
I swear, sometimes I think you're on someone's payroll.
I could guess whose.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2025 01:02 PM (dGCAG)
None of this budget drama changes that. The window to fix this closed after Reagan, who tried but failed.
Posted by: heya at July 01, 2025 01:02 PM (cIK1s)
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at July 01, 2025 01:02 PM (1paM0)
I thought she said it was not germane to the bill so it was dropped and needed 60 votes (break filibuster).
Does that now change to simple majority? Because that would defeat the whole reconciliation bill theory.
Just pass original. Jam pack what the parliamentarian removed and pass again.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at July 01, 2025 01:00 PM (FxH7T)
The Godaamn Germans got nothin to do with it !
Posted by: Sherrif Buford T Justice at July 01, 2025 01:02 PM (NtVYv)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 01, 2025 01:02 PM (LL6Kc)
Posted by: Dreamingrobot at July 01, 2025 01:02 PM (xHBnN)
Posted by: Oddbob at July 01, 2025 01:01 PM
It will take a session or two but yes. Yes enough to go spend $25 to join GOA so I can get in on the class action.
Posted by: toby928 at July 01, 2025 01:03 PM (jc0TO)
I swear, sometimes I think you're on someone's payroll.
I could guess whose.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 01, 2025 01:02 PM (dGCAG)
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Thomas Massie has done no work to improve the OBBB.
Instead, he complains.
He's all rhetoric. His vote is for sale (Dems bought him under Biden, cheap).
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 01:03 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 01, 2025 12:56 PM (/HVsR)
when the National Chair of the LNC starts talking about how so many of the most vocal elements of the party are oppositionally defiant moonchildren who would rather fight over the inclusion of a semi-colon in a policy statement than actually deal with the problems facing us in the world today and in the near future, you could be right.
Posted by: Kindltot - remember, profit is violence and choice is a tool of the oppressor at July 01, 2025 01:03 PM (D7oie)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 01, 2025 12:58 PM (LL6Kc)
Sometimes.
The theory is lower marginal tax rates will lead to increased economic growth, which will lead to more money flowing around, which will give the feds more opportunities to get their grubby little fingers on that flowing money, and thus increase tax receipts.
But, as always, the devil is in the details, and it's very hard to isolate one variable as the reason tax receipts go up or down. The world is a complicated place with many moving pieces.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 01, 2025 01:03 PM (uCjyK)
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Who died and made her Queen Shit on Turd Hill?
Posted by: wth at July 01, 2025 01:03 PM (UjdFS)
Posted by: Maj. Healey
His unfavorability ratings are spiking in his district versus one announced primary opponent if you believe some recent polling where Trump gets 90 percent approval from GOP primary voters in that district. My guess is Massie is repeating the trajectory of Justin Amash from Trump's first term unless he changes that.
Hanging around with Christine Pshaw as his gf so soon after his wife died is not doing Massie any favors at home as well.
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2025 01:03 PM (ctrM5)
This drama is tiresome.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
I'm confused.
I thought she said it was not germane to the bill so it was dropped and needed 60 votes (break filibuster).
Does that now change to simple majority? Because that would defeat the whole reconciliation bill theory.
Just pass original. Jam pack what the parliamentarian removed and pass again.
Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at July 01, 2025 01:00 PM (FxH7T)
The Germans got nothing to do with it!
Posted by: Sheriff Buford T. Justice at July 01, 2025 01:03 PM (wVcYX)
Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2025 01:03 PM (fV+MH)
Posted by: tubal at July 01, 2025 01:04 PM (PCK5/)
Posted by: toddg at July 01, 2025 12:25 PM (HsIYU)
This...exactly.
And Trump says the Senate parlimentarian made him do it. He'd have rather just kicked them off Medicaid vs immediately out of the country, but them's the breaks.
Posted by: Nova Local at July 01, 2025 01:04 PM (tOcjL)
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I am. I do apologize. But I've been following current events in this country since the early 1960s, and have come to expect the worst in people.
I'm sure you people are all very nice, one on one- but when people get together in large groups, especially political ones, like unions and NGOs and Congresses, well, Katie bar the door.
Posted by: Don Black. Message: get to da choppah at July 01, 2025 01:04 PM (AOsQT)
Posted by: tubal at July 01, 2025 01:04 PM (PCK5/)
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Big Penguin owns me.
I have to admit it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 01:04 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at July 01, 2025 01:02 PM
In fairness, we are past the fiscal event horizon anyway. It's rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic time.
Posted by: toby928 at July 01, 2025 01:05 PM (jc0TO)
— Milton Friedman
$6.16 TRILLION SPENDING VS $4.47 TRILLION REVENUE
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2025 01:05 PM (UFztX)
Posted by: Hacked gp's Feed Off The Bird at July 01, 2025 01:05 PM (xYXPm)
Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2025 01:03 PM (fV+MH)
Python Prison
Posted by: It's me donna at July 01, 2025 01:05 PM (VE6XX)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 01, 2025 01:00 PM (uCjyK)
No one who tried to find out has lived.
Posted by: ... at July 01, 2025 01:05 PM (VPwHp)
Posted by: Sherrif Buford T Justice at July 01, 2025 01:02 PM (NtVYv)
Pardon me. You sounded taller on the radio.
Posted by: Sheriff Buford T. Justice at July 01, 2025 01:05 PM (wVcYX)
Also if you are not a citizen, you shouldn’t get any entitlement.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at July 01, 2025 12:58 PM (Vh9CX)
They should be allowed to do as they will damn well please because THEY ARE SWEETHEARTS!!!
Immigrants make America great!!!
Posted by: The Left at July 01, 2025 01:05 PM (BugZp)
That's how I feel about this bill. Take it, notch the win, lose your virginity, and then come back for better-looking girls.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 01, 2025 01:00 PM (iFTx/)
LOL....Interesting take but I agree
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Snort.
Posted by: pudinhead at July 01, 2025 01:05 PM (W3T6M)
That's how I feel about this bill. Take it, notch the win, lose your virginity, and then come back for better-looking girls.
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade
I never realized just how sexually arousing tax cuts were.
Posted by: zombie at July 01, 2025 01:05 PM (pMi6S)
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at July 01, 2025 01:02 PM (1paM0)"
Let's see how those squish senators matter in 15-20 years when even most of the normies understand we're overrun in our own country.
I didn't have high hopes on the hail-mary attempt to right the ship in the first place, but I'm not seeing anything that makes me think they're going to pull it off.
They need to legislate and govern like they're never going to be in power again, with the explicit goal of prodding the left into doing something really stupid. This is not the time for half-assing things or trying to preserve political capital for some nonsensical normal future that's never happening anyways.
Posted by: heya at July 01, 2025 01:06 PM (cIK1s)
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 01, 2025 01:01 PM (wVcYX)
Yes, well... Spacey did claim that Bill Clinton told him "99 percent of what you do on that show is real" which Spacey took as a ringing endorsement of the show, but I take in a slightly different way.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at July 01, 2025 01:06 PM (uCjyK)
Posted by: Ad hominem shit local #408 at July 01, 2025 01:06 PM (P+mok)
Posted by: It's me donna at July 01, 2025 01:07 PM (VE6XX)
Can we not do the ad hominem shit for just one political thread???
Posted by: tubal at July 01, 2025 01:04 PM (PCK5/)
___________
Look who's talking big.
*knocks lunch tray off cafeteria table*
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 01, 2025 01:07 PM (/HVsR)
Posted by: Black Orchid
That's my new platform when I run for president:
A chicken in every pot and a skyscraper for every lib.
Posted by: ...
And a skyscraper for every lib with office windows that open.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2025 01:07 PM (KdGoM)
Posted by: toby928 at July 01, 2025 01:08 PM (jc0TO)
Posted by: zombie at July 01, 2025 01:05 PM (pMi6S)
A line-item veto - better than Viagra.
Posted by: mrp at July 01, 2025 01:08 PM (rj6Yv)
So it is no longer a serious consideration in any national political discussion.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 01, 2025 01:02 PM (uWKK
Was it ever?
Posted by: Cow Demon at July 01, 2025 01:08 PM (BugZp)
Posted by: The Paolo at July 01, 2025 01:08 PM (P+mok)
Posted by: Don Black. Message: get to da choppah at July 01, 2025 01:08 PM (AOsQT)
As I said in an earlier post, I know at least 3 of them that will be gone after 18 months.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 01, 2025 01:08 PM (uWKK8)
Posted by: It's me donna at July 01, 2025 01:05 PM
I don't like to think of it that way.
Posted by: Guido at July 01, 2025 01:08 PM (0sNs1)
Posted by: It's me donna at July 01, 2025 01:07 PM (VE6XX)
*Now* the tax cuts are arousing.
Posted by: ... at July 01, 2025 01:08 PM (VPwHp)
Was it ever?
Posted by: Cow Demon at July 01, 2025 01:08 PM (BugZp)
__________
Have some colloidal silver.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 01, 2025 01:09 PM (/HVsR)
On the other hand "fundamentally changing the relationship between the individual and the government" is kind of on message for the LP
Posted by: Kindltot
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James Buckley got elected as Senator from NY because of the endorser type minor parties in NY.
But, I don't think humanity is ready for fundamental change in nature because unlike Locke, I do not believe in blank slates. Even the US after the Revolution was tied to past British and colonial practices so you had Jefferson's argument that states could prosecute seditious libel but the Fedgov couldn't under the First Amendment.
Personally, I always have thought that the privileges and immunities clause incorporated the First Amendment after it was ratified. Only court though that supported that was the GA Sup. Ct. in a firearms case (2nd was incorporated in GA by that decision) prior to the ACW.
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2025 01:09 PM (ctrM5)
Posted by: Cow Demon at July 01, 2025 01:08 PM (BugZp)
I think it had a moment, between Bush and Trump, when it could have Been a Contendah. Then it shit all over itself.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 01, 2025 01:09 PM (uWKK8)
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 01, 2025 01:01 PM (/U5Yz)
You prefer Wendy Davis over Chip Roy?
Good to know.
Posted by: Cow Demon at July 01, 2025 01:09 PM (BugZp)
>>This one is all twunt.
You were mostly right, you just had the wrong bill.
She did rule against Democrats when they tried to stuff a minimum wage hike into the Covid relief bill.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 01, 2025 01:09 PM (viF8m)
Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2025 01:03 PM (fV+MH)
Python Prison
Posted by: It's me donna at July 01, 2025 01:05 PM (VE6XX)
________
Swamp Fuck
Posted by: Elric The (One and Only) Blade at July 01, 2025 01:09 PM (iFTx/)
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 01, 2025 01:09 PM (wVcYX)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 01, 2025 01:09 PM (LL6Kc)
Posted by: Oddbob at July 01, 2025 12:46 PM (/y8xj)
Are you sure? The last I read was that it was removed completely.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at July 01, 2025 01:10 PM (L5An7)
I have to admit it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 01:04 PM
I'm sorry to hear that. Sad!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 01, 2025 01:10 PM (0sNs1)
Posted by: toby928 at July 01, 2025 01:11 PM (jc0TO)
Posted by: Don Black. Message: get to da choppah at July 01, 2025 01:11 PM (AOsQT)
Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2025 01:03 PM (fV+MH)
Python Prison
Posted by: It's me donna
Jaws Jailhouse
Posted by: wth at July 01, 2025 01:11 PM (UjdFS)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 01, 2025 01:11 PM (LL6Kc)
That's what the guntubers where saying as of yesterday.
Posted by: Oddbob at July 01, 2025 01:11 PM (/y8xj)
Up to a certain point, but generally the first year or so they result in lower revenues until the economic benefits reach businesses and taxpayers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2025 01:11 PM (dfIr7)
Posted by: Cow Demon
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Yes, the economic wing of the Libertarian party had some influence in the Reagan administration and even elected a senator in NY (James Buckley) as a LP fusion candidate.
Likewise, the Socialist and Grange movements influenced the Dem party and its positions even as far back as the 1890's.
Minor parties are most effective in a first past the post majoritarian election system when they can serve as good idea factories for the major parties to steal.
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2025 01:11 PM (ctrM5)
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 01, 2025 01:12 PM (wVcYX)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 01, 2025 01:12 PM (0sNs1)
Posted by: Paco at July 01, 2025 01:12 PM (mADJX)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2025 01:12 PM (KdGoM)
Up to a certain point, but generally the first year or so they result in lower revenues until the economic benefits reach businesses and taxpayers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2025 01:11 PM (dfIr7)
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The Laffer Curve explains this.
There's a revenue maximizing point. Where that is on any given tax is dependent on stuff, though.
Lots of stuff.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 01:12 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: toby928 at July 01, 2025 01:13 PM (jc0TO)
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 01, 2025 01:13 PM (/U5Yz)
Posted by: Oddbob at July 01, 2025 01:11 PM (/y8xj)
That's...sort of good news.
Thanks.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at July 01, 2025 01:13 PM (L5An7)
Posted by: toby928 at July 01, 2025 01:14 PM (jc0TO)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 01, 2025 01:14 PM (BI5O2)
Good to know.
Posted by: Cow Demon
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Now, there's some hot logic.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2025 01:14 PM (UFztX)
Posted by: Oddbob at July 01, 2025 12:46 PM (/y8xj)
Are you sure? The last I read was that it was removed completely.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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The former was my understanding. Zero tax but SBR and suppressors stay within the NFA registration requirements. That, however, makes the case legally for the constitutionality of those restrictions under Bruen. Simply put, in the 193 NFA case, US v. Miller, it was not deemed a commerce clause power that allowed the bill to be constitutional, but the fact that it was a tax instead.
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2025 01:14 PM (ctrM5)
---Mitch McConnell, waving his flintlock at the podium, so all will see...
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at July 01, 2025 01:14 PM (MLHNM)
Posted by: Gref at July 01, 2025 01:14 PM (aBgBM)
Posted by: toby928 at July 01, 2025 01:14 PM (jc0TO)
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Trump's gotta sign the law before that happens.
However, it's part of both House and Senate versions. It most likely will remain in the final, compromise version (which, according to whig, will be accomplished through amendments, not conference).
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 01:15 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 01, 2025 01:15 PM (LL6Kc)
Posted by: toby928
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Yes unless the Dems recapture Congress and the presidency and use reconciliation to undo them.
No ten year cliff on them though unlike when originally passed.
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2025 01:15 PM (ctrM5)
https://tinyurl.com/yc369zc9
Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2025 01:16 PM (KdGoM)
There's a revenue maximizing point. Where that is on any given tax is dependent on stuff, though.
Lots of stuff.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 01:12 PM
Yeah, the Laffer Curve is more of a concept than an formula. We know that if tax rates are zero, you get no revenue. We know that if they are 100% you will also get no revenue. So somewhere in the middle there is a point of max revenue and beyond that we start getting less again.
Sorry if I am belaboring the obvious but some Morons aren't old enough to remember Reagan
Posted by: toby928 at July 01, 2025 01:17 PM (jc0TO)
I swear at least half of them believe this bullshit.
Posted by: ... at July 01, 2025 01:17 PM (VPwHp)
Sorry if I am belaboring the obvious but some Morons aren't old enough to remember Reagan
Posted by: toby928 at July 01, 2025 01:17 PM (jc0TO)
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I'm a young 'un myself, and I brought up the Laffer Curve!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 01:17 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at July 01, 2025 01:17 PM (1paM0)
I swear at least half of them believe this bullshit.
Posted by: ... at July 01, 2025 01:17 PM (VPwHp)
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Getting people to write down their predictions and such and then confronting them with it later would be useful, I think.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 01:18 PM (GBKbO)
However, it's part of both House and Senate versions. It most likely will remain in the final, compromise version (which, according to whig, will be accomplished through amendments, not conference).
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Mebbe on the amendment procedure. Depends on the House now and Johnson on how to proceed. Part of it is the self imposed deadline of July 4th. In legislative terms, those are kind of self imposed deadlines that cause some to vote for a bill simply so they can go home and enjoy a holiday. The extraordinary measures for the debt ceiling limit are now figured to run out in August or September though. So the House and Senate will have to do the debt increase before then.
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2025 01:18 PM (ctrM5)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 01:17 PM
You do promethean work!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 01, 2025 01:18 PM (0sNs1)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 01:17 PM
You do promethean work!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 01, 2025 01:18 PM (0sNs1)
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I don't get it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 01:19 PM (GBKbO)
Yes, the economic wing of the Libertarian party had some influence in the Reagan administration and even elected a senator in NY (James Buckley) as a LP fusion candidate.
_________
Buckley was the candidate of the Conservative Party of New York. There was a second line on the ballot for the Independent Alliance, which I don't think had anything to do with the LP.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 01, 2025 01:19 PM (/HVsR)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at July 01, 2025 01:17 PM
You do promethean work!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 01, 2025 01:18 PM (0sNs1)
Now you've gone and done it.
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 01, 2025 01:19 PM (wVcYX)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 01, 2025 12:58 PM (LL6Kc)
Not always. To oversimplify: there's a sweet spot to optimize revenue -- higher OR lower than that, revenue declines.
Posted by: GrandVezir at July 01, 2025 01:20 PM (vISVA)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 01, 2025 01:20 PM (0sNs1)
Posted by: Boss Moss at July 01, 2025 01:20 PM (LL6Kc)
Posted by: whig
“Not worth a bucket of warm piss.”
Posted by: Cow Demon at July 01, 2025 01:20 PM (BugZp)
Posted by: Newt Gettinrich at July 01, 2025 01:20 PM (P+mok)
so yummy
Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at July 01, 2025 01:20 PM (4oLWm)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2025 01:20 PM (HFcKg)
Posted by: toby928 at July 01, 2025 01:21 PM (jc0TO)
Posted by: Boss Moss
Lot of free land north of the Arctic Circle.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2025 01:22 PM (KdGoM)
Posted by: Duncanthrax"
Hah.
Posted by: eleven at July 01, 2025 01:22 PM (fV+MH)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 01, 2025 01:22 PM (dfIr7)
I swear at least half of them believe this bullshit.
Posted by: ...
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Reconciliation rules and the fact that McConnell and Ryan wanted permanence for corporate tax cuts and subsidies rather than for personal income tax is why. There is a ten year limit on the reach of a lot of reconciliation provisions due to the 1974 Budget Act. That also created the odious and oblivious CBO which purposefully understates the cost of spending and elevates the cost of tax cuts.
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2025 01:22 PM (ctrM5)
I take that as a win anyday.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2025 01:20 PM
As we head into next year, may I remind you that I voted *for* it?
Posted by: John Cornyn (R-TX) at July 01, 2025 01:23 PM (0sNs1)
Good to know.
Posted by: Cow Demon
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Now, there's some hot logic.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at July 01, 2025 01:14 PM (UFztX)
Well, I’m sorry, but Wendy Davis the abortion Barbie was Chip Roy’s opponent, and I don’t see calling a dude a “douche nozzle” as an endorsement. I’d rather have Chip Roy. Bexar County is already fucked with that Communist asshole Greg Casar, thanks.
Posted by: Cow Demon at July 01, 2025 01:23 PM (BugZp)
Posted by: whig
“Not worth a bucket of warm piss.”
Posted by: Cow Demon
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James Nance Garner would have been a better president as would Al Smith than FDR. Between FDR and Woodrow Wilson, the permanent derangement of US politics would have been less obvious.
Posted by: whig at July 01, 2025 01:24 PM (ctrM5)
Posted by: Don Black. Message: get to da choppah at July 01, 2025 01:24 PM (AOsQT)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2025 01:25 PM (HFcKg)
Posted by: torabora at July 01, 2025 01:25 PM (gAG18)
Sorry if I am belaboring the obvious but some Morons aren't old enough to remember Reagan
Posted by: toby928 at July 01, 2025 01:17 PM (jc0TO)
The Laffer Curve a.k.a. “find the sweet spot”.
Posted by: Cow Demon at July 01, 2025 01:25 PM (BugZp)
Fuck it let my grand kids pay it
Posted by: Aliassmithsmith at July 01, 2025 01:20 PM (4oLWm)
It went down???
Posted by: MAC V SOG at July 01, 2025 01:26 PM (P4Pk9)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 01, 2025 01:25 PM (HFcKg)
From your lips to God’s ears.
I’m voting Paxton.
Posted by: Cow Demon at July 01, 2025 01:26 PM (BugZp)
Posted by: Cow Demon at July 01, 2025 01:23 PM
What are we, chopped liver?
Posted by: Travis County at July 01, 2025 01:26 PM (0sNs1)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 01, 2025 01:26 PM (KdGoM)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 01, 2025 01:27 PM (0sNs1)
Posted by: Cow Demon at July 01, 2025 01:28 PM (BugZp)
Posted by: Travis County at July 01, 2025 01:26 PM (0sNs1)
The People’s Republic of Travis is to blame for that asshole!!!
Posted by: Cow Demon at July 01, 2025 01:29 PM (BugZp)
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at July 01, 2025 01:29 PM (1paM0)
Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at July 01, 2025 12:27 PM
First heard of George Clinton and the Parliament Funkadelic in the cult classic 1994 movie "PCU" with Jeremy Piven and John Favreau. Great concert at the frat house of Balls and Shaft at end of the movie.
IMDb: https://bit.ly/40zLgNk
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at July 01, 2025 01:30 PM (P5BPp)
I take that as a win anyday.
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Different Day - SOS. We debate between Ginger and Mary Ann but we always end up with Lovey Howell. Every damn time.
Posted by: pudinhead at July 01, 2025 01:37 PM (W3T6M)
Posted by: pudinhead at July 01, 2025 01:39 PM (W3T6M)
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at July 01, 2025 01:43 PM (1paM0)
Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at July 01, 2025 01:44 PM (cSXb1)
Posted by: DaveA at July 01, 2025 01:47 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: night lifted at July 01, 2025 12:42 PM
Laws do not matter unless there are people in positions of influence with the will to enforce the laws. Just look at any blue city in the country where police are told to not enforce various laws. And where local DAs deliberately do not prosecute to enforce various laws. Look at the entire nation over the past 20-25 years where no one has enforced immigration laws.
Rules and laws mean nothing in the absence of people with the will to enforce them.
Posted by: Clyde Shelton at July 01, 2025 01:58 PM (P5BPp)
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