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Turns Out, Trump Did Call Democrat Leaders Before the Strike.
Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries Was Just Too Busy to Pick Up the Phone.
Schumer did pick up the phone, but somehow did not leak advanced word to Iran.
CNN tried to stir controversy by reporting that while House Speaker Mike Johnson and Senate Majority Leader John Thune were briefed ahead of time, Democrat leaders Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries were only informed shortly before the public announcement, after the operation had already taken place. But as White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt explained on Fox News, this was nothing more than a misleading narrative designed to distract from a major American victory. Leavitt didn't just push back; she dismantled the lie piece by piece. "We did make bipartisan calls," Leavitt stated, setting the record straight from the outset. "Thomas Massie and the Democrats -- he should be a Democrat 'cause he's more aligned with them than with the Republican Party -- were given notice. The White House made calls to congressional leadership. They were bipartisan calls." The White House, contrary to the manufactured narrative, conducted its due diligence and reached out to leaders on both sides of the aisle. The administration's outreach efforts were comprehensive, but in a detail that speaks volumes, the top Democrat in the House was apparently unavailable to take a call of such national security importance. Leavitt revealed the specifics of the outreach, exposing the disingenuous nature of the complaints. "In fact, Hakeem Jeffries couldn't be reached," she explained. "We tried him before the strike and he didn't pick up the phone, but he was briefed after, as well as Chuck Schumer was briefed prior to the strike."As to Massie: Trump has declared war on him and will support a primary challenger.
President Donald Trump tore into Rep. Thomas Massie on Sunday, blasting the Kentucky congressman for siding with Democrats and opposing a decisive U.S. military operation that crippled three of Iran's most critical nuclear facilities. "Congressman Thomas Massie of Kentucky is not MAGA, even though he likes to say he is," Trump wrote on Truth Social. "Actually, MAGA doesn't want him, doesn't know him, and doesn't respect him." Trump accused Massie of consistently opposing critical Republican policies and likened him to "Rand Paul, Jr." for his habit of voting no on major legislation. Trump blasted him as "a simple-minded grandstander" and said Massie was playing into Iran's hands by trying to block efforts to prevent the Islamic regime from acquiring a nuclear weapon. "Iran has killed and maimed thousands of Americans," Trump wrote. "This 'lightweight' Congressman is against what was so brilliantly achieved last night in Iran," referring to the military operation he authorized. On CBS's Face the Nation Sunday, Massie defended his position, stating, "We were tired of endless wars in the Middle East... we should have debated this war powers resolution instead of staying on vacation." He argued Congress should reclaim its constitutional authority over war decisions. Trump dismissed that argument outright. "Massie should drop his fake act and start putting America First, but he doesn't know how to get there -- he doesn't have a clue!" he said, adding that Massie is "disrespectful to our great military." The president ended the post with a vow: "The good news is that we will have a wonderful American Patriot running against him in the Republican Primary, and I'll be out in Kentucky campaigning really hard."
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: wth at June 23, 2025 01:28 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 23, 2025 01:28 PM (iFTx/)
Posted by: Cow Demon at June 23, 2025 01:29 PM (Lhvai)
Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 23, 2025 01:28 PM (iFTx/)
NOW YOU DIE!!!
Posted by: The Kurgan at June 23, 2025 01:29 PM (Lhvai)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:29 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: wth at June 23, 2025 01:30 PM (v0R5T)
- Illegal immigrant criminals
- Violent rioters
- Trans degenerates
- Iranian mullahs
I'm not even mad. That's amazing.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at June 23, 2025 01:31 PM (O9qN1)
Posted by: mr tmz at June 23, 2025 01:31 PM (rJ48h)
How do we get rid of this dracunculus?
Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 23, 2025 01:31 PM (iFTx/)
It entertained me more.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:29 PM (GBKbO)
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#MeToo
Posted by: Seems Legit at June 23, 2025 01:31 PM (PMtkd)
Think like a gopher. Pfffft.
Posted by: Karl Spackler at June 23, 2025 01:32 PM (Riz8t)
Posted by: Citizen Cake at June 23, 2025 01:32 PM (CwhoI)
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 01:32 PM (DCmYx)
Posted by: Gref at June 23, 2025 01:27 PM (aBgBM)"
Willowed on the previous thread, still 100%valid on this one! Twofer!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at June 23, 2025 01:32 PM (alnxS)
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 23, 2025 01:32 PM (/CkK4)
How do we get rid of this dracunculus?
Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 23, 2025 01:31 PM (iFTx/)
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It might work with Trump stumping for Massie's primary opponent.
The RNC probably won't give Massie any money.
The RCCC will probably stay out of it.
Massie has his own fundraising, but Trump fundraising for an opponent should bring in a lot of money.
I don't think it's a slam dunk. Massie wins his primaries pretty easily. But we'll see.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:33 PM (GBKbO)
- Illegal immigrant criminals
- Violent rioters
- Trans degenerates
- Iranian mullahs
I'm not even mad. That's amazing.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo"
We've come to expect the worst from the lefty lunatics.
Posted by: A Boomer at June 23, 2025 01:33 PM (vFG9F)
Posted by: wth at June 23, 2025 01:30 PM (v0R5T)
What a waste of a Carl Spackler sock.
😠
Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at June 23, 2025 01:33 PM (89Sog)
Posted by: Hakim Jeffries at June 23, 2025 01:33 PM (t0Rmr)
Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 01:33 PM (An3vV)
Posted by: t-bird at June 23, 2025 01:33 PM (ojv3z)
Posted by: dantesed at June 23, 2025 01:33 PM (Oy/m2)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 23, 2025 01:33 PM (sZI8v)
Posted by: steevy at June 23, 2025 01:34 PM (YwEeS)
Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 01:33 PM (An3vV)
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Massie voted for Biden's debt ceiling increase.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:34 PM (GBKbO)
Well, he doesn't have AIDS or a penchant for little boys.
That we know of.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 01:34 PM (t0Rmr)
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 01:34 PM (DCmYx)
Posted by: Citizen Cake at June 23, 2025 01:34 PM (CwhoI)
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 23, 2025 01:34 PM (/CkK4)
Posted by: Eeyore at June 23, 2025 01:34 PM (od0dV)
Posted by: wth at June 23, 2025 01:30 PM (v0R5T)
What a waste of a Carl Spackler sock.
😠
*cough*
Posted by: #11 at June 23, 2025 01:34 PM (Riz8t)
As long he does not foul up and kill Americans, I can let it slide.
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 23, 2025 01:35 PM (sZI8v)
It's one thing to disagree, but another thing to go on CNN and talk shit.
massie is fucking garbage.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 01:35 PM (DCmYx)
Posted by: Enemy agents the lot of them at June 23, 2025 01:35 PM (TbWk/)
Posted by: Citizen Cake
Cue the “girlfriend looking at her guy who’s looking at another girl” meme.
-Hamas Ministry of Health
Posted by: haffhowershower at June 23, 2025 01:35 PM (yC5D1)
As long he does not foul up and kill Americans, I can let it slide.
Hey, you voted for Trump right? Want one of my cheeseburgers straight off the grill? Extra pink just for you!
Posted by: Chuckles Schumer at June 23, 2025 01:35 PM (t0Rmr)
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at June 23, 2025 01:36 PM (lIJEN)
Replies calling you an anti American communist troll in 5…4….3…
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 23, 2025 01:36 PM (/CkK4)
Posted by: guy who thinks everything sound dirty at June 23, 2025 01:36 PM (vFG9F)
Hey dickweed, every American with more than half a brain is sick of Iran being at war with the US for 46 years. How about we finally end it by us decisively winning, dickhead?
We know you'll never vote for a declaration of war anyway, so sit down and spend all your time fantasizing more about being forked by Mayor Buttplug.
Posted by: Gref at June 23, 2025 01:36 PM (aBgBM)
Replies calling you an anti American communist troll in 5…4….3…
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 23, 2025 01:36 PM (/CkK4)
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Massie supports increased government spending when Biden wants it. He opposes increased government spending when Trump wants it.
Gotta love them principles.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:37 PM (GBKbO)
How do we get rid of this dracunculus?
Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 23, 2025 01:31 PM (iFTx/)
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It might work with Trump stumping for Massie's primary opponent.
The RNC probably won't give Massie any money.
The RCCC will probably stay out of it.
Massie has his own fundraising, but Trump fundraising for an opponent should bring in a lot of money.
I don't think it's a slam dunk. Massie wins his primaries pretty easily. But we'll see.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:33 PM (GBKbO)
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Any lack of fundraising from RNC and RCCC will probably be made up -- and then some -- from leftwing foreign sources looking to sabotage Trump's favored pick. But ... who knows? I don't know how much such money is still out there.
Massie can suck assie. But I don't think it will be easy to remove him. Especially so long Turtle still has power there.
Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 23, 2025 01:37 PM (iFTx/)
Posted by: ShainS -- Busy Organizing 'Make Trump King' Protests at June 23, 2025 01:37 PM (nFkGo)
Posted by: t-bird at June 23, 2025 01:37 PM (emDE2)
Blacks in America have it worse than women or gays in Iran?
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 23, 2025 01:37 PM (sZI8v)
Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 23, 2025 01:37 PM (/U5Yz)
massie, like mccain, is way to eager to give Republican Voters the finger and gloat about it, and go on Fake News and smile about his fake muh principles bullshit.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 01:37 PM (DCmYx)
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 01:37 PM (DCmYx)
BREAKING: U.S. President Donald Trump is currently in the White House Situation Room, monitoring Iranian retaliation.
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump · 20h
It’s not politically correct to use the term, “Regime Change,” but if the current Iranian Regime is unable to MAKE IRAN GREAT AGAIN, why wouldn’t there be a Regime change??? MIGA!!!
Posted by: andycanuck at June 23, 2025 01:37 PM (2yoRf)
Massie voted for Biden's debt ceiling increase.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:34 PM (GBKbO)
Well, you've got your soundbite, haven't you? Why did he do that?
https://tinyurl.com/454bkdyj
Well, massie isn't "with" you.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 01:34 PM (DCmYx)
Massie is the only sane voice in congress on spending. God bless and protect him.
No war in Iran.
Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 01:38 PM (An3vV)
Posted by: AlecK at June 23, 2025 01:38 PM (cMlC1)
Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 23, 2025 01:38 PM (iFTx/)
Massie can suck assie. But I don't think it will be easy to remove him. Especially so long Turtle still has power there.
Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 23, 2025 01:37 PM (iFTx/)
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I think money would only matter in terms of raising the profile of the opponent at that level.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:38 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2025 01:38 PM (mlg/3)
It will be interesting to see what happens to the power of the McConnell machine when he sits upon his final fence post.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2025 01:38 PM (Riz8t)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 23, 2025 01:38 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at June 23, 2025 01:38 PM (5M/Mg)
Posted by: andycanuck at June 23, 2025 01:39 PM (2yoRf)
You mean Obama? He was too busy losing "the good war" in 'Stan by bringing in the feminists and kiddie diddlers.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 01:39 PM (t0Rmr)
No war in Iran.
Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 01:38 PM (An3vV)
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So, he votes to increase Democrat spending but uses small government rhetoric and that fools you?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:39 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 23, 2025 01:39 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade
First with the MOIST? Sandra Fluke are you socking Elric?
Posted by: haffhowershower at June 23, 2025 01:39 PM (yC5D1)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 23, 2025 01:39 PM (sZI8v)
I tried to dammit! I couldn't find my cheaters and couldn't see to dial my Iranian contact at the UN!
Posted by: Chuck S. at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (aBgBM)
>>I don't think it's a slam dunk. Massie wins his primaries pretty easily. But we'll see.
Elections, in the main, are largely "fortified," there may be less fortification in GOP locales, but it exists.
If Thomas Massies constituents are happy with his service and performance, he will be re-elected.
In 2024 he ran unopposed and got 99.6pct of the vote.
Typically, he beats primary and general opponents 3:1.
So, as they say, we shall see.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (XV/Pl)
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (jM63s)
Posted by: Farmer Bob at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (hlNLQ)
Posted by: Hakeem The Dream Jeffries at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (yVvK4)
Has Massie bothered to explain this?
It always amazes me how many GOPers have to vote against Trump because of muh sacred principles but never voted against Biden/Obama
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (t0Rmr)
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They made threats and would not stand down. Even after the UN passed the resolution. Bush even got Russia and China to abstain to pass it. He was given every chance. Stupid. Thought the US was joking.
Posted by: runner at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (g47mK)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:39 PM (GBKbO)
You have a soundbite and you'll bleat it til teatime, that's fine. I didn't start following politics last week.
Good luck Horde.
Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (An3vV)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (2GCMq)
It will be interesting to see what happens to the power of the McConnell machine when he sits upon his final fence post.
Posted by: Archimedes
I'm surprised the Turtle is still with us. The last time a saw a video of him he looked like a zombie.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (/U5Yz)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:34 PM (GBKbO)
It's never about the issue or facts, it's always about proving Never Trump right, eventually, almost... well kinda sorta, someday they'll get him... and you'll know we we're right about him all along, you Orange Man Bad Cult fools!!
Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 23, 2025 01:41 PM (6ydKt)
Posted by: The Geneva Convention at June 23, 2025 01:41 PM (aah8C)
It will be interesting to see what happens to the power of the McConnell machine when he sits upon his final fence post.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2025 01:38 PM (Riz8t)
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Yea. I'm not sure if Turtle is an institution such that even after he's gone he still wields power, like Obama was, or just one guy without any regime or coattails. I don't know enough about KY politics.
Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 23, 2025 01:41 PM (iFTx/)
Posted by: runner at June 23, 2025 01:41 PM (g47mK)
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald
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I see you've been on X recently! You missed "execute the traitor" though.
Posted by: andycanuck at June 23, 2025 01:41 PM (2yoRf)
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 23, 2025 01:41 PM (XV/Pl)
But he picked the way wrong time to make an issue of this; and his comments yesterday about "the Israel lobby" are not a good look.
Posted by: Dr. T at June 23, 2025 01:41 PM (jGGMD)
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 23, 2025 01:41 PM (trxIx)
Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (An3vV)
What are you wishing us good luck for?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 23, 2025 01:41 PM (2GCMq)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at June 23, 2025 01:42 PM (pwtJC)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at June 23, 2025 01:42 PM (t0Rmr)
Has Massie bothered to explain this?
It always amazes me how many GOPers have to vote against Trump because of muh sacred principles but never voted against Biden/Obama
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (t0Rmr)
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It's in the link the other commenter provided.
"Some of them think you blow it up in the House, you march Kevin back over to the White House and you put him back in the room with Biden and he comes out with something that’s miraculously better. I don’t think that’s the next step,” Massie told conservative media personality Glenn Beck. “I think what happens next is McConnell and [Chuck] Schumer say, ‘You guys are done playing around – we’re going to get this done.”
Which amounts to, "This is imperfect, but better than the alternative." Which is fine. but then he opposed Trump's imperfect as well.
Because principles.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:42 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 23, 2025 01:42 PM (6iGXV)
Posted by: ... at June 23, 2025 01:42 PM (E0p3T)
From 2006 to 2020 of the war on terror we've lost more soldiers in training accidents than in combat.
These are not support or opposition facts but again just for perspective purposes.
Posted by: polynikes at June 23, 2025 01:42 PM (VofaG)
Good luck Horde.
Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (An3vV)
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Votes matter.
Dude voted against cuts to Medicaid that force off illegals because it's not conservative, or something.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:43 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Megthered at June 23, 2025 01:43 PM (GOJbT)
We've been at war with Iran since 1979. The only thing the US government can do is either end it or continue allowing them to kill Americans when/where they choose.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 23, 2025 01:43 PM (ExV1e)
Posted by: 18-1
No, I mean the human robot called George Walker Bush. He was a president of the US. The US stand for United States.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2025 01:43 PM (mlg/3)
Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 01:33 PM (An3vV)
Except Massie hasn't done anything, he's all talk and isolating himself from the party is foolish for a man in the legislature.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 01:43 PM (8avO+)
Patriot that he is.
Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at June 23, 2025 01:43 PM (Ta2SI)
Posted by: wth at June 23, 2025 01:43 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: runner at June 23, 2025 01:43 PM (g47mK)
But he picked the way wrong time to make an issue of this; and his comments yesterday about "the Israel lobby" are not a good look.
Posted by: Dr. T at June 23, 2025 01:41 PM (jGGMD)
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It's extremely obvious that Trump's attack on Iran is well within the boundaries of the 2001 AUMF since Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:43 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 23, 2025 01:44 PM (6iGXV)
Good luck Horde.
Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (An3vV)
He brings up a legitimate point.
Massie voted for it under Biden.
Why did Massie vote fot it under Biden, but now it's just too much?
He only grows a spine when there's a Republican in the Oval?
If we're all going to be held to true conservative principles always & forever, then can you explain why Massie didn't stick to his true conservative fiscal principles that are so important today?
Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 23, 2025 01:44 PM (6ydKt)
Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 23, 2025 01:44 PM (yemn2)
Posted by: Anna Puma
I am pretty sure that the Geneva Convention specifically prohibits this.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at June 23, 2025 01:44 PM (WKKFo)
Posted by: runner at June 23, 2025 01:44 PM (g47mK)
That is absolutely a 'no'...
Posted by: The Geneva Convention
Yeah that’s cruel to the GBU-57.
Posted by: haffhowershower at June 23, 2025 01:44 PM (yC5D1)
(Pixie won't allow me to paste this so here's a link.)
https://is.gd/u83X2I
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Master of the Mundane at June 23, 2025 01:44 PM (L/fGl)
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 01:43 PM (8avO+)
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Not even trying to build a coalition around an alternative.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:44 PM (GBKbO)
Good political hair is very important to me.
Till then, I'll adhere to my infirm position on Massie: I don't care at all.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 23, 2025 01:44 PM (qE+/V)
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 23, 2025 01:44 PM (6iGXV)
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Well, don't look at me!
Stay safe US and coalition forces.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at June 23, 2025 01:45 PM (91F/+)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (2GCMq)
That actually happened to Scott Adams. When he announced his terminal cancer diagnosis, Trump called and left a message because Scott let it go to VM. Trump ended up calling him again, and getting through because Adams figured out that it was a real call from POTUS.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 23, 2025 01:45 PM (0CU3H)
The last time I picked up, a bunch of them in the Oval Office went, "WAZZU-U-U-P?"
Posted by: Hakeem Jeffries at June 23, 2025 01:45 PM (g8z90)
Posted by: Farmer Bob at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (hlNLQ)
Agree. When your target is warned in advance, I think that qualifies as “theater”.
Posted by: EveR at June 23, 2025 01:45 PM (Z/h4+)
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 23, 2025 01:42 PM (6iGXV)
Yes, and the bomb bay of each can load, in addition to whoopie, all Lapdog Infotainment Channel talking heads. What is PDT waiting for?
Posted by: Gref at June 23, 2025 01:46 PM (aBgBM)
@Polymarket 7h
BREAKING: Mamdani surges as clear favorite in the NYC Mayoral primary.
61% chance he wins.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2025 01:46 PM (mlg/3)
I keep hearing this and it’s a weak argument
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 23, 2025 01:46 PM (trxIx)
I'm looking at the Hegseth nomination and confirmation.
Posted by: polynikes at June 23, 2025 01:46 PM (VofaG)
But he picked the way wrong time to make an issue of this; and his comments yesterday about "the Israel lobby" are not a good look.
Posted by: Dr. T at June 23, 2025 01:41 PM (jGGMD)
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I don't disagree in theory on war powers. But ... AUMF. Yes, that one. Obama used it for 8 years to launch attacks and murder American citizens all over the middle east. Not a peep out of all those now screaming about Trump's relative pin-prick against Iran.
Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 23, 2025 01:46 PM (iFTx/)
Posted by: many-several lurkers at June 23, 2025 01:46 PM (1Idb6)
https://is.gd/u83X2I
Well, this is one way to get tourists to stay away from that street I guess
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 01:46 PM (t0Rmr)
The rural areas he represents probably haven't a clue what an asshat he is.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at June 23, 2025 01:46 PM (Q4IgG)
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 23, 2025 01:44 PM (6iGXV)
LA County Sheriff's Office hardest hit.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 23, 2025 01:46 PM (qE+/V)
Posted by: runner at June 23, 2025 01:46 PM (g47mK)
Posted by: Boss Moss
I think the B2 has a 32,000lb load capacity or thereabouts. I think we would have to go with a B-52.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 23, 2025 01:47 PM (/U5Yz)
>>61% chance he wins.
I bet Sliwa drops out and gets behind Adams and Adams wins as an independent.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 23, 2025 01:47 PM (XV/Pl)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Master of the Mundane at June 23, 2025 01:47 PM (L/fGl)
Anti-aircraft fire ongoing in Tehran, CNN's correspondent in the city says on live on air.
No indications that this is anything else than the normal Israeli attacks.
Faytuks News @Faytuks 15s
The Israeli air force is currently attacking Tehran, according to IDF military radio
t.me/moriahdoron/23615
[a Telegram channel with Hebrew writing that I don't know how to 'play']
Posted by: andycanuck at June 23, 2025 01:47 PM (2yoRf)
Posted by: Boss Moss
......
Do you wear your turban under or over the hard hat?
Posted by: wth at June 23, 2025 01:47 PM (v0R5T)
Johnson was getting the OBBB through the House without him, so he could vote against it. McCarthy needed the debt ceiling raised with his vote or it would fail, so he voted for it.
This is the mark of an opportunist, not a principled adherent to limited government spending. His rhetoric means nothing.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:47 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (An3vV)
What are you wishing us good luck for?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 23, 2025 01:41 PM (2GCMq)
Sounded flounce-ish.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 23, 2025 01:47 PM (ExV1e)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:43 PM (GBKbO)
I was speaking more to his broader view that Congress needs to claw back some of the war-making power, as opposed to placing so much of it in the executive's hands. In theory, I don't have a problem with that.
But yes, it's inarguable that Congress did pass this AUMF and that Trump did act within the letter of the law. That's where I get off the Massie train. (And also, the aforementioned "Israel lobby" remarks.)
Posted by: Dr. T at June 23, 2025 01:47 PM (jGGMD)
I was gonna take the president's phone call, but then I got high...
Posted by: LizLem at June 23, 2025 01:48 PM (Eng1Z)
Posted by: Hakeem Jeffries at June 23, 2025 01:48 PM (rqEUB)
Posted by: mikeybates at June 23, 2025 01:48 PM (8+NuZ)
Posted by: Thomas Paine at June 23, 2025 01:44 PM (WKKFo)
Yeah they outlawed chemical and biological warfare a century ago.
A Whoopi Bomb would qualify under both.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 23, 2025 01:48 PM (6ydKt)
Posted by: mr tmz at June 23, 2025 01:48 PM (rJ48h)
Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 23, 2025 01:46 PM (iFTx/)
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Probably a good idea to repeal it, to be honest.
I think there was an effort a few years ago that died in the Senate.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:48 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Paco at June 23, 2025 01:48 PM (mADJX)
Posted by: runner at June 23, 2025 01:49 PM (g47mK)
https://is.gd/u83X2I
Well, this is one way to get tourists to stay away from that street I guess
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 01:46 PM
Never go full retard.
Posted by: CaliGirl at June 23, 2025 01:49 PM (hs4ik)
Jeffries is ghosting Trump 'cause no love. Or money. But mostly money.
Posted by: Auspex at June 23, 2025 01:49 PM (j4U/Z)
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 23, 2025 01:44 PM (6iGXV)
Any idea by whom?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 23, 2025 01:49 PM (ExV1e)
Posted by: ShainS -- Busy Organizing 'Make Trump King' Protests at June 23, 2025 01:50 PM (ZLUMj)
Because we are blindly following the tangerine terror into ww III?
Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at June 23, 2025 01:50 PM (89Sog)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
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He needs and executive order that for any phone sold in USA, when the President calls the ring tone is forced to play "Hail To The Chief" at full volume.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 23, 2025 01:50 PM (QQ0oH)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:47 PM (GBKbO)
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Could be he wants McConnell's seat.
It would explain the grandstanding.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 23, 2025 01:50 PM (6ydKt)
Posted by: Anna Puma
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Think of the outrageous sound that would make.
Posted by: wth at June 23, 2025 01:50 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 23, 2025 01:50 PM (RpoEI)
It’s beyond the Iran deal. He’s a grandstanding dickhead.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 23, 2025 01:50 PM (trxIx)
Posted by: mikeybates at June 23, 2025 01:48 PM (8+NuZ)
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People keep talking like it's a fait accompli that Trump is going to send troops to regime change and then try to nation build.
Despite Trump constantly saying he won't and it being completely out of context with his character and governing philosophies and tactics that we've seen over nearly 5 years.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:50 PM (GBKbO)
Good luck Horde.
Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (An3vV)
Wait, we have teatime? When is it? What kind of tea? Will mugs be provided, or is it BYOM?
Posted by: pookysgirl, asking important questions at June 23, 2025 01:50 PM (Wt5PA)
Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 23, 2025 01:51 PM (yemn2)
Posted by: mr tmz at June 23, 2025 01:48 PM (rJ48h)
Pence praised Trump's Iran action.
Posted by: polynikes at June 23, 2025 01:51 PM (VofaG)
Posted by: Somewhere South of I-80 at June 23, 2025 01:50 PM (89Sog)
just practice duck and cover, you'd be OK
Posted by: runner at June 23, 2025 01:51 PM (g47mK)
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 23, 2025 01:52 PM (6iGXV)
Posted by: I like tea at June 23, 2025 01:52 PM (rqEUB)
Posted by: Hakeem The Dream Jeffries at June 23, 2025 01:40 PM (yVvK4)
Me thinks you have the wrong lawyer from GA... Hakeem was with the other one.
Posted by: Inogame at June 23, 2025 01:52 PM (53oGX)
Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 23, 2025 01:51 PM (yemn2)
One way to find out.
Posted by: Dr. T at June 23, 2025 01:52 PM (jGGMD)
Drop me already! Can we just get this over with?
Posted by: GBU-57 at June 23, 2025 01:52 PM (BU22l)
Posted by: redridinghood at June 23, 2025 01:52 PM (NpAcC)
Posted by: polynikes at June 23, 2025 01:52 PM (VofaG)
Posted by: pookysgirl, asking important questions at June 23, 2025 01:50 PM (Wt5PA)
What kind of sammiches, and who is making them? Not it.
Posted by: LizLem at June 23, 2025 01:52 PM (Eng1Z)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:52 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 23, 2025 01:53 PM (RpoEI)
LA County Sheriff's Office hardest hit.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 23, 2025 01:46 PM (qE+/V)
I haven't met the bosses there but the police bosses are politicians with everything that goes with that. When you talk to them you realize that every relationship is transactional in nature and so insincere and transparently so.
Posted by: CaliGirl at June 23, 2025 01:53 PM (hs4ik)
Posted by: runner at June 23, 2025 01:53 PM (g47mK)
It’s not politically correct to use the term, “Regime Change,” but if the current Iranian Regime is unable to MAKE IRAN GREAT AGAIN, why wouldn’t there be a Regime change??? MIGA!!!
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MIGA, please!
Posted by: Josephistan at June 23, 2025 01:53 PM (Q2PZf)
Posted by: mr tmz at June 23, 2025 01:48 PM
Busy cashing dividend checks.
Posted by: toby928 at June 23, 2025 01:53 PM (jc0TO)
https://is.gd/u83X2I
Well, this is one way to get tourists to stay away from that street I guess
Posted by: 18-1
Prince showed us the way.
Unofficially, "the street formerly known as Trutch."
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 23, 2025 01:53 PM (QQ0oH)
Posted by: redridinghood at June 23, 2025 01:52 PM (NpAcC)
We'd lose a 1/4 of aos commenters. 😀
Posted by: polynikes at June 23, 2025 01:53 PM (VofaG)
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And Collins, Murkowski, and Lankford.
Posted by: Crusader at June 23, 2025 01:53 PM (TN0g+)
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 23, 2025 01:53 PM (trxIx)
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 23, 2025 01:54 PM (6iGXV)
So is that pronounced like "Sex me Ow yeah mama"?
Cuz that's why my brain is telling me.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 23, 2025 01:54 PM (6ydKt)
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at June 23, 2025 01:54 PM (jM63s)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 23, 2025 01:54 PM (AcTAo)
Posted by: runner at June 23, 2025 01:54 PM (g47mK)
Wait, we have teatime? When is it? What kind of tea? Will mugs be provided, or is it BYOM?
Posted by: pookysgirl, asking important questions at June 23, 2025 01:50 PM (Wt5PA)
The horde uses cups and saucers, we aren't animals.
Posted by: CaliGirl at June 23, 2025 01:54 PM (hs4ik)
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at June 23, 2025 01:54 PM (S/Y4j)
https://is.gd/u83X2I
Well, this is one way to get tourists to stay away from that street I guess
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 01:46 PM (t0Rmr)
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The irony: that alphabet diarrhea they used for the street name is not from any Indian or native language. White linguists invented it, based on the phonetic pronunciation of the spoken language. This is basically an insult to the natives, but nobody in this bunch of land-acknowledging homos will get that.
Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 23, 2025 01:54 PM (iFTx/)
Do they mention Jesus a lot because that's what "televangelist" usually implies?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 23, 2025 01:54 PM (2GCMq)
What kind of sammiches, and who is making them? Not it.
Posted by: LizLem at June 23, 2025 01:52 PM (Eng1Z)
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Yeah, nice try. You dealt it, you make it.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2025 01:54 PM (tT6L1)
Posted by: Maj. Healey at June 23, 2025 01:47 PM (/U5Yz)
Each B2 can be loaded with two 30,000lb bunkerbusters.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at June 23, 2025 01:54 PM (g8Ew8)
Posted by: Crusader at June 23, 2025 01:55 PM (TN0g+)
https://is.gd/u83X2I
Well, this is one way to get tourists to stay away from that street I guess
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 01:46 PM
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OUT: Sesame Street.
IN: [Pixie Hates Unicode] Street.
Posted by: ShainS -- Busy Organizing 'Make Trump King' Protests at June 23, 2025 01:55 PM (ZLUMj)
Despite Trump constantly saying he won't and it being completely out of context with his character and governing philosophies and tactics that we've seen over nearly 5 years.
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And also the distinct lack of troop movements that would be required.
Posted by: Methos at June 23, 2025 01:55 PM (Dnobf)
WTI, WTF?
Posted by: J R EWING at June 23, 2025 01:55 PM (R6Hhu)
JD Vance: Iranians "Not Very Good At War," Should "Give Peace A Chance"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Master of the Mundane at June 23, 2025 01:55 PM (L/fGl)
If he had been willing to tear the place apart under Biden because the debt ceiling was bad.
But nope. He got some empty promises and folded like a cheap suit.
And now he stands firm?
Whatever, man. He elicits no emotion, but I do not understand the people defending him. It's all just empty rhetoric. He might as well be a writer at NRO.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:55 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:44 PM (GBKbO)
Or even horse trading..I'll give you this vote if you give me this explicit cut to the size of government I can take home to his supporters.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 01:55 PM (8avO+)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at June 23, 2025 01:55 PM (17s+e)
Judging by the Iranians stage managed "attack" where they called the Qataris before shooting off missiles to warn them and none got through anywhere, I'd say the talk of a major war is as wrong now as ever.
But I would like some of you who keep insisting Trump should have done nothing when the terrorists who run Iran have been attacking and killing Americans for decades and were on the cusp of breakout with their enrichment plans would consider "American interest".
It's seems pretty weak to keep insisting that a country that has been calling for our death since 1979 and never stops trying to make it happen is not really a threat to the US and neither would them having nukes. Even if Iran didn't hit us directly and "only" hit Israel with a nuke we would definitely be in a real war with boots on the ground with nukes an option.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2025 01:55 PM (viF8m)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke
Follow the Fleet, girl!
Posted by: Zombie Ginger Rogers at June 23, 2025 01:55 PM (G5+As)
Pretty telling
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 23, 2025 01:53 PM (trxIx)
Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Posted by: polynikes at June 23, 2025 01:55 PM (VofaG)
(Pixie won't allow me to paste this so here's a link.)
https://is.gd/u83X2I
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Master of the Mundane at June 23, 2025 01:44 PM (L/fGl)
https://youtu.be/96VRfQU7voI
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 23, 2025 01:55 PM (ExV1e)
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If this isn’t a tshirt by this evening, I will be so disappointed.
Posted by: Piper at June 23, 2025 01:56 PM (pRpzT)
>>Despite Trump constantly saying he won't and it being completely out of context with his character and governing philosophies and tactics that we've seen over nearly 5 years.
As long as it's airstrikes and plausibly deniable SOF missions, then everything will be ducky. BOTG is a redline and Trump is not going to cross his own redline.
Certainly not in this instance.
But if Iran FA, they will FO.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 23, 2025 01:56 PM (XV/Pl)
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that is a miracle
Posted by: Don Black. Message: release the Kraken at June 23, 2025 01:56 PM (AOsQT)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 23, 2025 01:56 PM (AcTAo)
So is that pronounced like "Sex me Ow yeah mama"?
Cuz that's why my brain is telling me.
Posted by: SpeakingOf
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Funny, my brain is telling me that it reads: "the people in charge of this town are f--cking morons."
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 23, 2025 01:56 PM (QQ0oH)
Posted by: pookysgirl, asking important questions at June 23, 2025 01:50 PM (Wt5PA)
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Better be long island's, or I’m out.
Posted by: Turn 2 at June 23, 2025 01:56 PM (6TlG5)
And I'm tired of this line, you preening prick. This has nothing to do with an "endless war" -- just the opposite. The elimination of Iran as a factor in the Middle East would be one of the greatest foreign policy achievements since the Wall came down.
Posted by: Ordinary Amerian at June 23, 2025 01:56 PM (x2CMu)
McConnell’s retirement stokes concerns Massie may run for Senate
The Republican Jewish Coalition pledged ‘unlimited’ spending to block Massie if he decides to run
In part, "Sen. Mitch McConnell’s (R-KY) retirement, announced on Thursday, could open up a path for Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY), among the most consistent opponents of legislation to support Israel and combat antisemitism in the House, to make a bid for the U.S. Senate in the 2026 midterms. The prospect is already generating fierce opposition from the local and national Jewish community."
And, "While Pell acknowledged that some in the Jewish community may not have voted for McConnell and have not always seen eye to eye with him on other issues, “there is no question of his willingness to stand up for Israel, his willingness to stand up against antisemitism, his consistent support for the Jewish community, his willingness to show up and speak to the Jewish community.”
2026 mid-terms are a ways off.
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at June 23, 2025 01:57 PM (NFX2v)
Might explain interest in more Starship development. Wonder how much lift is needed?
Posted by: man at June 23, 2025 01:57 PM (tubbA)
After Schwarzenegger appeared on the View and schooled them on the importance of being a polite guest if you're an immigrant, I saw the comment pop up that it's the first time Dutch and the Predator have been seen together in years. (since Whoopie has those long dreds.) Once you see, you cannot unsee...
Posted by: LizLem at June 23, 2025 01:57 PM (Eng1Z)
Why did Massie vote fot it under Biden, but now it's just too much?
He only grows a spine when there's a Republican in the Oval?
Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 23, 2025 01:44 PM (6ydKt)
Because he wasn't going to get a better option from a split Congress under Biden. He should be getting one from a Republican Congress under Trump. That's what he said in the link I provided. It's really obvious, any kid who's played a board game could explain it to you
But you're not arguing in good faith, because it's nothing to do with money, is it? It's about military support for Israel. Any cudgel to beat him with over that.
Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 01:57 PM (aUesR)
Posted by: (There Can Be Only One) Elric Blade at June 23, 2025 01:46 PM (iFTx/)
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Probably a good idea to repeal it, to be honest.
I think there was an effort a few years ago that died in the Senate.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
It passed in 2001. This is 2025. They've had almost 24 years to repeal it if they had wanted to.
Except Clinton, Obama & Shitpants kinda liked having it around.
Oopsie.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 23, 2025 01:57 PM (5WDkb)
Posted by: polynikes at June 23, 2025 01:57 PM (VofaG)
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Did he ever say that prior to Trump saying it in the 2016 debates?
I bet he didn't.
Not until it was well-safe to do so.
Like I said, phony televangelist huckster.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 23, 2025 01:57 PM (RpoEI)
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at June 23, 2025 01:58 PM (pkLWe)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 23, 2025 01:54 PM (AcTAo)
At least McCain set fire to an aircraft carrier.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 01:58 PM (8avO+)
Neither could the Ayatollah.
So happy together la la la la la
Posted by: haffhowershower at June 23, 2025 01:58 PM (yC5D1)
Woah buddy...finish that first Red herring before you reach for a second one.
Posted by: garrett at June 23, 2025 01:58 PM (MmNOR)
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at June 23, 2025 01:58 PM (O9qN1)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Tear the place apart? Man, I didn't know Senators were that powerful.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2025 01:58 PM (mlg/3)
Posted by: ... at June 23, 2025 01:58 PM (E0p3T)
And here's the Massie bitch acting like he was leading the parade all along.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at June 23, 2025 01:58 PM (RpoEI)
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
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More apparent on social media, NR, etc. than in reality.
Niche appeal of beautiful losers where they allegedly stand on whatever principles they find convenient today but disappear or backstab when the battle is against the Democrats.
Massie did little or nothing compared with someone else disliked by a fair number of the horde like MTG over the Jan 6 show trials, Biden's massive deficits, the horrendous idiotic retreat from Kabul, etc. Now he appears like the little man he is to ankle bite the GOP majority for trying to move the leviathan toward more conservative principles while loudly proclaiming his true principles to one and all. He is a living breathing No True Scotsman fallacy in Congress.
Justin Amash redux.
Posted by: whig at June 23, 2025 01:58 PM (ctrM5)
WTI, WTF?
Posted by: J R EWING at June 23, 2025 01:55 PM
Nothing is making any sense in financials right now. I'm just rolling with it. Up 1.29% on the day doing the complete opposite of what would make sense to me.
Posted by: toby928 at June 23, 2025 01:59 PM (jc0TO)
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at June 23, 2025 01:59 PM (jM63s)
Posted by: LizLem at June 23, 2025 01:57 PM (Eng1Z)
Pred really hit that wall hard.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 01:59 PM (8avO+)
Posted by: many-several lurkers at June 23, 2025 01:59 PM (1Idb6)
The rural areas he represents probably haven't a clue what an asshat he is.
Posted by: Martini Farmer
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I'd guess half the population in that district is in the three counties across from Cincinnati.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at June 23, 2025 01:59 PM (t/qwz)
Certainly not in this instance.
But if Iran FA, they will FO.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 23, 2025 01:56 PM (XV/Pl)
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I don't think Iran can.
Their investment has been in Hezbollah rockets, Hamas tunnels, and terrorizing their own citizens not building a military that can march or anything.
With Israel taking out IRGC leadership over the last day, Hezbollah having no more rockets, and Hamas not really needing tunnels anymore, their investment strategy is dashed
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 01:59 PM (GBKbO)
So... what are the US jets up to?
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at June 23, 2025 01:59 PM (91F/+)
Posted by: ... at June 23, 2025 01:59 PM (E0p3T)
Then quite literally, what is the point of him? He can't convince enough people to get something done under a GOP president, and he's completely cowed when there is a Democrat president.
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 01:59 PM (t0Rmr)
Posted by: weft cut-loop
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He is a Congress critter that was a coward not to be seen or noticed during the Biden years. MTG or even Lauren Boebert, he is not.
Posted by: whig at June 23, 2025 01:59 PM (ctrM5)
Posted by: Oddbob at June 23, 2025 02:00 PM (/y8xj)
You are relying on twisted logic to excuse his support during Biden of the things he opposes now. How about his nominee oppositions?
Posted by: polynikes at June 23, 2025 02:00 PM (VofaG)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Tear the place apart? Man, I didn't know Senators were that powerful.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2025 01:58 PM (mlg/3)
Massie isn't a Senator.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 02:00 PM (8avO+)
Posted by: LizLem at June 23, 2025 01:57 PM (Eng1Z)
You're one ugly muddafukah...
Posted by: Josephistan at June 23, 2025 02:00 PM (Q2PZf)
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA
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Screeching then a big fart when she hit.
Posted by: wth at June 23, 2025 02:00 PM (UjdFS)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
Tear the place apart? Man, I didn't know Senators were that powerful.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2025 01:58 PM (mlg/3)
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Since he was the deciding vote on the finance committee in the House, he could have, yes.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:00 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Ordinary Amerian at June 23, 2025 01:56 PM (x2CMu)
Get in the APC then. Calling someone else preening and then posting this YIKES
Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 02:00 PM (aUesR)
Posted by: runner at June 23, 2025 02:01 PM (g47mK)
Posted by: USAF at June 23, 2025 02:01 PM (rqEUB)
Many will say to me in that day, Trump, Trump, have we not campaigned in our MAGA caps? and in thy name have cast out democrats from their exalted government posts? and in thy name done many wonderful works, the best works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that oppose my at least not entirely ineffective Iran raid.
Posted by: Oglebay at June 23, 2025 02:01 PM (MMp6W)
he's been flouncing for a long time, just won't go away
Posted by: runner at June 23, 2025 01
Maybe we need to find the flouncing tutu for him.
Posted by: Piper at June 23, 2025 02:01 PM (pRpzT)
Posted by: LizLem at June 23, 2025 01:57 PM (Eng1Z)
Pred really hit that wall hard.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 01:59 PM (8avO+)
What the fuck are you?
Posted by: AR-NOLD with Whoopsie Goldbricks at June 23, 2025 02:01 PM (qE+/V)
It’s not politically correct to use the term, “Regime Change,” but if the current Iranian Regime is unable to MAKE IRAN GREAT AGAIN, why wouldn’t there be a Regime change??? MIGA!!!
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Trump's next act is going to be winning election as Iran's next Supreme Leader, assuming for a moment they decide to make that an elected position.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 23, 2025 02:01 PM (Rc/RV)
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 01:59 PM (t0Rmr)
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But his rhetoric, man.
His rhetoric!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:01 PM (GBKbO)
https://tinyurl.com/6p6fs59k
Posted by: Notsothoreau at June 23, 2025 02:01 PM (AcTAo)
And I'm tired of this line, you preening prick. This has nothing to do with an "endless war" -- just the opposite. The elimination of Iran as a factor in the Middle East would be one of the greatest foreign policy achievements since the Wall came down.
Posted by: Ordinary Amerian
AND it ends a forever war that started well before some of these people were born. 11-04-1979.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 23, 2025 02:01 PM (5WDkb)
Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2025 01:55 PM (viF8m)
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People have to ignore a lot of history to come down on the other side on this one. They have to ignore a very long list of atrocities the Iranians have been responsible for over the past four decades, and then ignore their threats and games over the nuke issue for the past two decades.
It's the same kind of ignorance that the Hamas supporters have to feign to think and say the things they do.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 23, 2025 02:02 PM (6ydKt)
It is a good point. For all the hate that MTG has gotten over the years she's had some sort of positive impact - what has Massie accomplished over the years he's been in office? And here "I'm just one conservative outsider among hundreds of reps" doesn't cut it looking at MTG...
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 02:02 PM (t0Rmr)
Might explain interest in more Starship development. Wonder how much lift is needed?
Posted by: man
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Maybe with a lot of JATO packs it might get off the ground.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at June 23, 2025 02:02 PM (17s+e)
WTI, WTF?
Posted by: J R EWING
Puts and Calls. Not to be confused with Putin Calls.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2025 02:02 PM (mlg/3)
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba
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Exurbs of Lexington, Louisville, and Cincinnati make up the majority of voters in his district.
Posted by: whig at June 23, 2025 02:02 PM (ctrM5)
Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2025 02:02 PM (+qU29)
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at June 23, 2025 02:02 PM (jM63s)
He's no different from Romney. Their 'principles' only apply to Republicans, but Democrats get a free pass.
Posted by: DudeAbiding at June 23, 2025 02:02 PM (setIA)
Posted by: Don Black. Message: release the Kraken at June 23, 2025 02:03 PM (AOsQT)
>> Massie may be wrong on Iran, but his complaints about the Big Bodacious Boondoggle were valid; there are no cuts, only promises of future cuts. And the Green sludge fund is still in there.
He's wrong, on the whole, the bill does a lot of good, does it have everything we want? No. But that's what we are going to get for now.
I like Massie generally and the bills he has proposed are good bills, the main problem is the GOP is a useless pile of dog shit and this is pretty much as good as it gets it seems.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 23, 2025 02:03 PM (XV/Pl)
Posted by: runner at June 23, 2025 02:03 PM (g47mK)
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at June 23, 2025 01:59 PM (t/qwz)
Louisville is larger than Newport and Covington if he has all of it. But yeah not much peeps around the river till you get to Huntington WV
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 02:03 PM (8avO+)
Posted by: ... at June 23, 2025 01:58 PM (E0p3T)
I've had a crush on her since her MTV days.
We are talking about Kari Wuher, right?
Posted by: Josephistan at June 23, 2025 02:03 PM (Q2PZf)
NOW - Bolton supports Trump's attack and says "we are on the verge of potentially seeing regime change in Iran."
Disclose.tv @disclosetv Jun 22
JUST IN - Trump: "Great unity in the Republican Party."
Disclose.tv @disclosetv 20h
JUST IN - Trump: "MAKE IRAN GREAT AGAIN."
Disclose.tv @disclosetv 20h
MORE - Earlier, Vance appeared on various TV talk shows and asserted that the U.S. has no interest in pursuing a regime change in Iran.
Breaking911 @Breaking911 18h
BREAKING: Lindsey Graham jumps on the Trump "MIGA" bandwagon, calling for a regime change in Iran.
Posted by: andycanuck at June 23, 2025 02:03 PM (2yoRf)
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 02:03 PM (DCmYx)
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 23, 2025 02:04 PM (W2Pud)
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at June 23, 2025 02:04 PM (O9qN1)
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at June 23, 2025 01:58 PM (O9qN1)
The bill and cuts misrepresented by the opponents as well as leaving out the advantages of passing that bill now. And again he had no trouble with it being worse under Biden.
Posted by: polynikes at June 23, 2025 02:04 PM (VofaG)
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at June 23, 2025 02:04 PM (B9Prs)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2025 02:04 PM (mlg/3)
Sleep tight tonight, your Democratic Congressional Leadership is awake!
(They may be drunk, but they're awake!)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Imprison! Imprison! Imprison! at June 23, 2025 02:04 PM (xG4kz)
Anyone thinking Trump is putting ground forces into Iran hasn’t been paying attention.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2025 02:04 PM (u73oe)
Posted by: JackStraw
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Agreed.
Also, everyone is overlooking the non-Iran message that is being sent.
To the bad actors around the world - No one is safe if you piss us off. The days of chanting threats without repercussions are over.
To China - Match that.
To Russia - Are you sure you want to trade threats with us
To China/Russia allies - where is your god now?
To the world - Trump is not chicken, USA is not done, and nothing is safe if we need to remove it.
This is like Reagan going after Grenada, which was the start of the healing after Carter and VN.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 23, 2025 02:04 PM (QQ0oH)
Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 23, 2025 02:01 PM (Rc/RV)
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The Magatollah?
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at June 23, 2025 02:04 PM (91F/+)
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If this isn’t a tshirt by this evening, I will be so disappointed.
Posted by: Piper at June 23, 2025 01:56 PM
+++
I fully expect to see it in a limerick in tomorrow's Art Thread.
Posted by: Limerick Lover at June 23, 2025 02:05 PM (rqEUB)
Posted by: whig at June 23, 2025 02:02 PM (ctrM5)
Surprised he gets all the way down to Lexington, that's about 60 miles from the river.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 02:05 PM (8avO+)
Posted by: A pawn in game of life. at June 23, 2025 02:05 PM (Ef4Ak)
Posted by: Blast Hardcheese at June 23, 2025 02:05 PM (V362x)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Master of the Mundane at June 23, 2025 02:05 PM (L/fGl)
Posted by: runner at June 23, 2025 02:05 PM (g47mK)
Yes, a stripped down B-2 with constant refueling.
USAF code name "Fat Boy"
Posted by: J R EWING at June 23, 2025 02:06 PM (R6Hhu)
Kari is a Trump originalist and I ask anyone who is against more middle east bullshit to at least wait and see how this goes. Trump is not like anyone we have had or will have again.
Posted by: ... at June 23, 2025 02:06 PM (E0p3T)
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA
.....
Or a loud flapping.
Posted by: wth at June 23, 2025 02:06 PM (UjdFS)
Posted by: Stonewall at June 23, 2025 02:06 PM (rqEUB)
It's so funny because (as some remember) I've been here since 2015, and the very people giving these weak all-out attacks on Massie were major proponents of his.
Only one thing has changed, and it isn't his stance on the debt ceiling.
No war!
Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 02:06 PM (aUesR)
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 23, 2025 01:46 PM (trxIx)
Is it? Iran has been directly, or indirectly, responsible for several hundred US deaths. Do they mean nothing? Do we permit them to continue ad infinitum? Iran has stated that they will use nuclear weapons against "the Satans". Do we wait until Tel Aviv or DC is gone before we act?
I oppose sending US ground troops to Iran. If, however, the Iranian government persists in being an antagonist, we should take actions to end it. If prior administrations had done that, rather than trying to introduce women's lib and homosexuality to Afghanistan and Iraq, maybe we wouldn't be in the position we're in.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 23, 2025 02:06 PM (ExV1e)
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo
Don't worry the 'boots on the ground' inevitability is just going to be several billion dollars worth of PayLess gift cards airdropped in.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2025 02:06 PM (mlg/3)
Hakeem had a good excuse: he was getting his asshole resized because Nancy's palsied hands are shrinking and both of them prefer a "tight fit" when she goes all puppet master on him.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Imprison! Imprison! Imprison! at June 23, 2025 02:06 PM (xG4kz)
JUST IN - Trump: "MAKE IRAN GREAT AGAIN."
Disclose.tv @disclosetv 20h
MORE - Earlier, Vance appeared on various TV talk shows and asserted that the U.S. has no interest in pursuing a regime change in Iran.
Two things that can be true at the same time.
"Now is the time for all good Iranians to come to the aid of their country".
Posted by: rickb223 at June 23, 2025 02:06 PM (5WDkb)
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 23, 2025 02:04 PM (W2Pud)
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With or without the crust? Cut diagonally? Toast the bread first?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2025 02:06 PM (tT6L1)
Posted by: 18-1
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I use Jan 6 as a key marker as to posers versus reality. MTG and a couple of other Congress critters were there to oppose injustice and true massive government overreach of power. They did so despite pissing off the Uniparty in both houses and MTG was punished over it and calling out the Big Cheat in 2020 to the extent of losing her committee assignments by Dem fiat.
Posted by: whig at June 23, 2025 02:07 PM (ctrM5)
There is no "war."
Stop with the pants-shitting.
We are the goddamed United State of America and we will bomb whoeverthefuck wheneverthefuck we want, and that doesn't mean War. It means we are the lone Superpower and what We say Goes.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 02:07 PM (DCmYx)
The replies are full of crazy whackjobs screaming that this is a Black Mirror, black tar heroin, false memory nightmare.
Why are people so broken?
http://tiny.cc/h4sn001
Posted by: bonhomme at June 23, 2025 02:07 PM (lIio7)
Posted by: Don Black. Message: release the Kraken at June 23, 2025 02:03 PM (AOsQT)
Some Asian
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 02:07 PM (8avO+)
USAF code name "Fat Boy"
Posted by: J R EWING at June 23, 2025 02:06 PM (R6Hhu)
Operation: Fat Twat Drop
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 23, 2025 02:07 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 23, 2025 02:07 PM (6ydKt)
Posted by: polynikes at June 23, 2025 02:00 PM (VofaG)
No I'm not.
Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 02:07 PM (aUesR)
Posted by: man at June 23, 2025 02:07 PM (tubbA)
Anyone thinking Trump is putting ground forces into Iran hasn’t been paying attention.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2025 02:04 PM (u73o
That was a change of a former position and I think he was wrong.
Posted by: polynikes at June 23, 2025 02:07 PM (VofaG)
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If this isn’t a tshirt by this evening, I will be so disappointed.
Posted by: Piper at June 23, 2025 01:56 PM
+++
I fully expect to see it in a limerick in tomorrow's Art Thread.
Posted by: Limerick Lover
Who did they open for?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 23, 2025 02:08 PM (Dv3i1)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot
Way, waaaay more eloquent than me. I was just going to say he was getting pegging by super straight Cory Booker.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 23, 2025 02:08 PM (5WDkb)
Posted by: Huck Follywood at June 23, 2025 02:01 PM (Rc/RV)
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The Magatollah?
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey
"I love Iran! Trump Tower has the best falafel in New York, everyone knows it"
Posted by: Josephistan at June 23, 2025 02:08 PM (Q2PZf)
who has the cliff notes
Posted by: Don Black. Message: release the Kraken at June 23, 2025 02:08 PM (AOsQT)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at June 23, 2025 02:08 PM (MLHNM)
Posted by: dantesed at June 23, 2025 02:08 PM (Oy/m2)
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at June 23, 2025 02:09 PM (O9qN1)
_________
Just looked at it. 410K of 756K in district are in Boone, Kenton and Campbell across from Cincy.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at June 23, 2025 02:09 PM (t/qwz)
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 23, 2025 01:52 PM (6iGXV)
Prolly from the Chinese saying, "No, you're not going to blockade the Straits of Hormuz where we get half our oil."
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 23, 2025 02:09 PM (ExV1e)
No, we were not.
Posted by: man at June 23, 2025 02:09 PM (tubbA)
Posted by: There have to be doilies at June 23, 2025 02:09 PM (rqEUB)
Posted by: runner at June 23, 2025 02:10 PM (g47mK)
The replies are full of crazy whackjobs screaming that this is a Black Mirror, black tar heroin, false memory nightmare.
Why are people so broken?
http://tiny.cc/h4sn001
Posted by: bonhomme at June 23, 2025 02:07 PM (lIio7)
There was a big industry in WWI in England of adjusting photos to add or isolate a son that didn't make it back. Taking a photo of the boy in uniform and putting in a new combined image, isolating a family picture to make him be alone. Those crank girls who did the fairy photo hoax worked on such jobs.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 02:10 PM (8avO+)
I miss him. Good people.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at June 23, 2025 02:10 PM (17s+e)
Some people love being contrarians. Massie is one of them. He's useless and needs to be replaced.
Posted by: redridinghood at June 23, 2025 01:52 PM (NpAcC)
We'd lose a 1/4 of aos commenters. 😀
Posted by: polynikes at June 23, 2025 01:53 PM (VofaG)
No we wouldn't....
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at June 23, 2025 02:10 PM (y9nCu)
Ace should post that very old clip of President Trump reacting to Iran shooting down one our drones.
Some Fake News fuckface asked him if he will retaliate. President Trump said of course now; he wouldn't do that over a drone.
We are not at "war." We will never be at "war" with Iran. Relax, pant-pissers. Massie is a loser and a chump. Don't be like massie.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 02:10 PM (DCmYx)
Stop with the pants-shitting.
We are the goddamed United State of America and we will bomb whoeverthefuck wheneverthefuck we want, and that doesn't mean War. It means we are the lone Superpower and what We say Goes.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 02:07 PM (DCmYx)
Say this out loud into the mirror
Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 02:10 PM (aUesR)
Posted by: J. Peterman at June 23, 2025 02:11 PM (rqEUB)
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What leads you to believe Trump is considering ground forces in Iran? Not being snarky here, just trying to understand your position.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at June 23, 2025 02:11 PM (u73oe)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2025 02:11 PM (tT6L1)
@realDonaldTrump
Did I hear Former President Medvedev, from Russia, casually throwing around the “N word” (Nuclear!), and saying that he and other Countries would supply Nuclear Warheads to Iran? Did he really say that or, is it just a figment of my imagination? If he did say that, and, if confirmed, please let me know, IMMEDIATELY. The “N word” should not be treated so casually. I guess that’s why Putin’s “THE BOSS.” By the way, if anyone thinks our “hardware” was great over the weekend, far and away the strongest and best equipment we have, 20 years advanced over the pack, is our Nuclear Submarines. They are the most powerful and lethal weapons ever built, and just launched the 30 Tomahawks — All 30 hit their mark perfectly. So, in addition to our Great Fighter Pilots, thank you to the Captain and Crew!
Medvedev did pretty much admit in his post that the ultimate aim for Iran was nuclear weapons.
"it can now be admitted..." or something close.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 23, 2025 02:11 PM (6ydKt)
Posted by: Don Black. Message: release the Kraken at June 23, 2025 02:03 PM (AOsQT)
Some Asian
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 02:07 PM (8avO+
This is not your war, Don Black and Oldcat.
Posted by: saigon sally broadcasting ftom at June 23, 2025 02:11 PM (qE+/V)
Posted by: Soothsayer
I thought we were at war with Iran since Nine-Teen Twitckey Nine?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2025 02:11 PM (mlg/3)
who has the cliff notes
Posted by: Don Black. Message: release the Kraken at June 23, 2025 02:08 PM (AOsQT)
well you might look at bills he sponsored that passed.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 02:11 PM (8avO+)
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He kinda did. As if it was a sekret!
Posted by: runner at June 23, 2025 02:12 PM (g47mK)
I mean, ok, should we go to war with Mexico? What they allow to come through our southern border I’d argue is as destructive, if not more, than what Iran does.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 23, 2025 02:12 PM (eZwyX)
However, I do have one issue with PDT.
Can we call an end to the Steve Witkoff experiment?
It failed. This guy Witkoff hasn't accomplished a damn thing. Get someone else.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 02:12 PM (DCmYx)
Posted by: SMOD at June 23, 2025 02:12 PM (RHGPo)
No war in Iran.
Posted by: ghost of kari
What specifically was Massie's plan for dealing with Iran. The same as the last 40+ years? Keep kicking the can down the road putting out fires and tolerate the killing? Allow them to fully arm nuclear warheads to annihilate Israel and others? Wiping Israel off the map and death to America are not just chants to them - that is their objectives stated plainly. Easy to criticize from the sidelines but what were his solutions?
Posted by: Cheri at June 23, 2025 02:13 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: SMOD at June 23, 2025 02:12 PM (RHGPo)
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And that was when he found Gabe Malor's account.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:13 PM (GBKbO)
If this is true - and from the pathetically small size of the attack it probably is - the Iranians are looking for some way to stand down while having some way to tell their home audience that they "did something".
They're fools if they think that will work.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2025 02:13 PM (uWKK8)
With malice towards none except Hillary Clinton, with charity towards all except Ilhan Noor who should be sent back to Somalia in an Amazon box, I wish you all a great Monday. I also still watch Tucker Carlson.
Warm wishes,
GoK
Posted by: ghost of kari at June 23, 2025 02:13 PM (aUesR)
Posted by: SMOD at June 23, 2025 02:12 PM (RHGPo)
Well, Cuban is a dipshit with a billion dollars, so.....
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 23, 2025 02:13 PM (Zz0t1)
I saw the Big Red Baboon Butt of Political Purity open for The Monkees at the Sea World Safari Park in '68.
Posted by: naturalfake at June 23, 2025 02:14 PM (iJfKG)
Really?
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at June 23, 2025 02:14 PM (17s+e)
I'm barely a sub-moron and it seems pretty obvious to me.
Posted by: DaveA at June 23, 2025 02:14 PM (FhXTo)
Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at June 23, 2025 02:14 PM (5xuJ/)
Posted by: SMOD
He's too young to remember Air America.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 23, 2025 02:14 PM (5WDkb)
Posted by: ... at June 23, 2025 01:58 PM (E0p3T)
I agree, we can have disagreements and still like each other.
Posted by: CaliGirl at June 23, 2025 02:14 PM (hs4ik)
Mamdani leads Cuomo in new poll. Mamdani finally surpasses Cuomo in the eighth round of the simulated ranked choice voting — 51.8% to 48.2%. This is the second poll showing Mamdani ahead of Cuomo, but the first showing him ultimately winning.
It is going to be 100 degrees in NYC tomorrow, so it may be up to who’s voters are more passionate as well as more able to suffer the heat.
there will be a lot of passion over his policies. Rent freezes, free child care, free transportation, cheaper groceries and $30 per hour minimum wage. A couple both working minimum wage jobs would have a household income of $125,000 per year and see their costs lower on child care, transportation,food and rent.
It won't happen. NYC, like all major blue cities, is going to be hit hard by Trump’s policies and budget. There won’t even be enough money to fund what currently exists in terms of transit levels, education, etc. Throw in a recession and the picture becomes pretty dire.
I hope people are realistic about what politicians promise.
Given the recent Cuomo endorsements by Clyburn and Clinton, I wonder if Cuomo's own polling isn't showing the same?
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at June 23, 2025 02:14 PM (JCZqz)
"it can now be admitted..." or something close.
Posted by: SpeakingOf
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I don't understand this. The ONLY reason for Iran to want nuclear energy, let alone enrichment capability, is for nuclear weapons.
I said it a couple days ago - they were trying to argue that they wanted a gun only to shoot racing blanks. It was a bold lie that the Dems, IAEA, UN, etc. all played along with.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 23, 2025 02:14 PM (QQ0oH)
Posted by: A pawn in game of life. at June 23, 2025 02:14 PM (Ef4Ak)
If this is true - and from the pathetically small size of the attack it probably is - the Iranians are looking for some way to stand down while having some way to tell their home audience that they "did something".
They're fools if they think that will work.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2025 02:13 PM (uWKK
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If it's all true, and if the story of high level Iranian officials desperately wanting the Ayatollah's sign off on direct talks with the US (which they can't get because they can't get in contact with him), then it paints a picture of a very weak Iran who just wants the pain to stop.
I do think that Israel won't feel any need to let up on the nation that directly funded Hezbollah, Hamas, and 10/7.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:14 PM (GBKbO)
"it can now be admitted..." or something close.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 23, 2025 02:11 PM (6ydKt)
Russia was talking a deal with Iran to provide Civilian nuke plants safely (since somehow a oil rich nation has power issues) and run them for them.
I think he was referring to that when saying Russia wanted to fulfill those nuclear contracts and presumably don't bomb the Russian there.
Some may be conflating nuclear power with bombs.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 02:14 PM (8avO+)
Posted by: runner at June 23, 2025 02:15 PM (g47mK)
Posted by: Oglebay at June 23, 2025 02:15 PM (MMp6W)
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 23, 2025 02:15 PM (eZwyX)
It won't happen. NYC, like all major blue cities, is going to be hit hard by Trump’s policies and budget. There won’t even be enough money to fund what currently exists in terms of transit levels, education, etc. Throw in a recession and the picture becomes pretty dire.
I hope people are realistic about what politicians promise.
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at June 23, 2025 02:14 PM (JCZqz)
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Think these guys heard about Denver cutting a bunch of government employees in order to fund benefits to illegal aliens?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:16 PM (GBKbO)
Really?
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at June 23, 2025 02:14 PM (17s+e)
I don't know that I'm ready to vest a lot in the ostensible infallibility of the IC, given its track record.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at June 23, 2025 02:16 PM (4/BuS)
The replies are full of crazy whackjobs screaming that this is a Black Mirror, black tar heroin, false memory nightmare
OMG! The Tyrell Corporation exists!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Imprison! Imprison! Imprison! at June 23, 2025 02:16 PM (xG4kz)
I think he was referring to that when saying Russia wanted to fulfill those nuclear contracts and presumably don't bomb the Russian there.
Some may be conflating nuclear power with bombs.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 02:14 PM (8avO+)
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Nope.
Medvedev said explicitly it was for nuclear weapons.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:16 PM (GBKbO)
I said it a couple days ago - they were trying to argue that they wanted a gun only to shoot racing blanks. It was a bold lie that the Dems, IAEA, UN, etc. all played along with.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 23, 2025 02:14 PM (QQ0oH)
not so, their power infastructure apparenly sucks and having plants about the country would be a help. In the Russian deal the Russians would run the plants which would keep bombs from being made there.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 02:16 PM (8avO+)
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at June 23, 2025 01:58 PM (O9qN1)
How much of that would be because - by law - the BBB may not affect discretionary spending? So, like, they cannot use the mechanism they're using while cutting all the crap people like to bitch about. Explanations have been posted on why it's happening the way it's happening but better to shoot for the moon and fail, I guess.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at June 23, 2025 02:17 PM (ExV1e)
Posted by: runner at June 23, 2025 02:17 PM (g47mK)
Can we call an end to the Steve Witkoff experiment?
It failed. This guy Witkoff hasn't accomplished a damn thing. Get someone else.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 02:12 PM (DCmYx)
You, along with many people, especially the Iranians, completely misunderstand what Witkoff's assignment was. In hindsight, it's rather obvious that his job was to keep the Iranians guard down while Trump and Bibi planned a one-two punch to completely destroyed the Iranian nuclear program. It was the greatest good cop / bad cop scheme ever pulled, and they did it in front of the world. The Iranians thought Trump would never attack in the middle of ongoing negotiations.
Witkoff has always been an op that Trump was pulling on the Iranians, nothing more.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2025 02:17 PM (uWKK8)
Posted by: ShainS -- Busy Organizing 'Make Trump King' Protests at June 23, 2025 02:17 PM (OpF8B)
I can't even.......the stupid.....IT BURNS!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 23, 2025 02:17 PM (Zz0t1)
lol, $30/hr min wage
all the small businesses will just fire all their employees, or go out of business
lol @ "cheaper groceries"
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 02:17 PM (DCmYx)
Two ways this goes:
1) The stores lock down like every other business does in those areas and lose a lot of money they don't have to waste
2) The stores don't look down and get openly robbed day in and day out with their good being sold outside of vans right outside the store and they lose A LOT MORE MONEY
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 02:17 PM (t0Rmr)
Posted by: ... at June 23, 2025 02:18 PM (E0p3T)
Posted by: runner at June 23, 2025 02:18 PM (g47mK)
Pull my finger.
Posted by: The Invisible Hand at June 23, 2025 02:18 PM (jc0TO)
"Fighter Pilots Make Movies;
Bomber Pilots Make History."
Posted by: ShainS -- Busy Organizing 'Make Trump King' Protests at June 23, 2025 02:17 PM (OpF8B)
"Who gets the ladies?"
- - - - - - Fighter Pilots, Elbow Deep in Trim
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 23, 2025 02:18 PM (Zz0t1)
lol, $30/hr min wage
all the small businesses will just fire all their employees, or go out of business
lol @ "cheaper groceries"
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 02:17 PM (DCmYx)
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There's a solution for that! Price controls!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:18 PM (GBKbO)
Not even that fuckingidiot fraud Andrew Wangyang is pushing his idiotic UBI, anymore.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 02:18 PM (DCmYx)
I'm barely a sub-moron and it seems pretty obvious to me.
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Agreed. Its funny that we keep hearing "We're not looking for regime change" when in fact regime change is the only long term solution. The Islamaniacs in Iran can't have nukes, and will never on their own stop seeking them.
Posted by: Crusader at June 23, 2025 02:18 PM (TN0g+)
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2025 02:17 PM (uWKK
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Making Rope-A-Dope Great Again!
Posted by: ShainS -- Busy Organizing 'Make Trump King' Protests at June 23, 2025 02:19 PM (OpF8B)
Really?
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at June 23, 2025 02:14 PM (17s+e)
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The infrastructure needed to further enrich the uranium no longer exists. Which makes the talking point stupid, even if true.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2025 02:19 PM (tT6L1)
This is...not correct. I want a whole lot more of shutting up and then pleasantly surprising me like Trump with the whole DOGE thing
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 02:19 PM (t0Rmr)
What sayeth Kintucker Qatarlson about all this?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Imprison! Imprison! Imprison! at June 23, 2025 02:19 PM (xG4kz)
Posted by: dantesed at June 23, 2025 02:19 PM (Oy/m2)
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 23, 2025 02:19 PM (6iGXV)
Posted by: runner at June 23, 2025 02
One does not discuss such things. 😂
Zara Tindall is an eventer, it’s not a huge circle, and upper level eventers are very cool about helping those at lower levels. I have had the opportunity to meet some flat incredible horse people over the years, it continues even now.
Posted by: Piper at June 23, 2025 02:19 PM (pZEOD)
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I'm curious about the last time the US declared war. 1941 maybe? Not sure if Iran actually issued a 'formal' declaration of war, but their actions of invading US sovereign territory (embassy) and holding diplomats hostage for over a year has got to be an act of war per some sort of official definition of war. The occassional blowing up by Iran of US soldiers that were not engaged in war with Iran probably also meets some definitions.
I'm of the opinion that, official or not, Iran has been at war with the US since 1979, and used whatever means they had to constantly poke at the US by killing US citizens, up to the point they could get away with it without provoking a retaliatory response from the US.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at June 23, 2025 02:19 PM (Dv3i1)
Posted by: Oglebay at June 23, 2025 02:20 PM (MMp6W)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2025 02:19 PM (tT6L1)
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Assuming Fardow was actually destroyed.
Which is not a small assumption, by the way.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:20 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Anna Puma at June 23, 2025 02:20 PM (qDLvI)
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 23, 2025 02:20 PM (QQ0oH)
This is...not correct. I want a whole lot more of shutting up and then pleasantly surprising me like Trump with the whole DOGE thing
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 02:19 PM (t0Rmr)
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I'll take promising progressive things and delivering conservative things.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:20 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo
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Reconciliation is a very difficult and easily demagogued process. Simply put, you cannot make cuts in discretionary spending via reconciliation.
It is for taxes and mandatory government spending specifically excluding Social Security. Furthermore, there is the "Byrd rule" that allows the parliamentarian of the Senate to make rulings as to what can be included and what cannot be in the bill.
The information is out there and I suggest anyone interested in the convoluted process to read this CRS (Congressional Research brief) on the process. https://tinyurl.com/3wad9ncp
Link goes to Congress dot gov and CRS brief on it.
Discretionary spending cuts are coming via recission bills under the 1974 Budget Law permitting those to be submitted just like reconciliation on taxes/mandatory spending without a filibuster.
But, you have to have a valid budget framework in place (which the GOP House and Senate finally did in March) to do those.
Posted by: whig at June 23, 2025 02:20 PM (ctrM5)
lol, $30/hr min wage
all the small businesses will just fire all their employees, or go out of business
lol @ "cheaper groceries"
Posted by: Soothsayer
Well, normally they'd just hire illegals and pay them cash under the table at much cheaper rates....
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at June 23, 2025 02:20 PM (JCZqz)
Posted by: man at June 23, 2025 02:21 PM (tubbA)
- - - - - - Fighter Pilots, Elbow Deep in Trim
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at June 23, 2025 02:18 PM (Zz0t1)
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* snort *
And also the pickup volleyball games with other bare-chested, lotioned-up men!
Posted by: ShainS -- Busy Organizing 'Make Trump King' Protests at June 23, 2025 02:21 PM (M4BvD)
I guess A. H. Khamenei did not read Donald Trump's book (that magnificent bastard).
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Imprison! Imprison! Imprison! at June 23, 2025 02:21 PM (xG4kz)
Posted by: Soothsayer
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Come on now.
Zero dollars for Zero groceries is pretty damn cheap.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at June 23, 2025 02:21 PM (17s+e)
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As far as I know, Iran looks like peak USSR circa 1975 !
Posted by: runner at June 23, 2025 02:21 PM (g47mK)
Posted by: CaliGirl at June 23, 2025 02:14 PM (hs4ik)
Being against stupid-ass fake bullshit war is absolutely a legit Righty position, sorry. In fact it's the position of most on the Right, or was.
The only reason this *isn't* stupid ass fake bullshit right now is because Trump is at the top and this is probably our only chance to spare the world from much of Iran's widespread murderous jihad bullshit for a few generations.
Posted by: ... at June 23, 2025 02:21 PM (E0p3T)
Running an alternate history type thing, absent the revolution in '79 I suspect that Iran would be the wealthiest, most advancede large Muslim country and pretty much what all other Muslims would point to as an example of how Islam could succeed. The Shiite thing might but on a damper on that though...
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 02:22 PM (t0Rmr)
Some may be conflating nuclear power with bombs.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 02:14 PM
No he said specifically "nuclear warheads"
1. Critical infrastructure of the nuclear fuel cycle appears to have been unaffected or sustained only minor damage.
2. The enrichment of nuclear material — and, now we can say it outright, the future production of nuclear weapons — will continue.
3. A number of countries are ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads.
4. Israel is under attack, explosions are rocking the country, and people are panicking.
5. The US is now entangled in a new conflict, with prospects of a ground operation looming on the horizon.
6. Iran’s political regime has survived — and in all likelihood, has come out even stronger.
7. The people are rallying around the country’s spiritual leadership, including those who were previously indifferent or opposed to it.
Entire post:
https://tinyurl.com/2n3r52z4
(Zerohedge)
Posted by: SpeakingOf at June 23, 2025 02:22 PM (6ydKt)
It failed. This guy Witkoff hasn't accomplished a damn thing. Get someone else.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 02:12 PM (DCmYx)
Kellogg was pretty good at outing the European countries as traitors while we mended fences with Russia.
Haven't been following what the Mideast rep was doing, but having Syria and Iran collapsing is an interesting coincidence.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 02:22 PM (8avO+)
Which is not a small assumption, by the way.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:20 PM (GBKbO)
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Well, I'm assuming President Trump knows what he's talking about when he says Fardow has been destroyed. Mainly because I've learned, over the years, President Trump tends to be right, a lot.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2025 02:22 PM (tT6L1)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) Imprison! Imprison! Imprison! at June 23, 2025 02:22 PM (xG4kz)
OSINTdefender@sentdefender
Iran’s Supreme National Security Council claims in a statement, that the IRGC and Army “pulverized” the U.S. Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar in response this weekend’s strikes against nuclear sites in Iran. It further says the number of missiles matched the number of U.S. bombs used, and claims the strike avoided civilian areas, with the wording suggesting that this will be the only military action by Iran against the United States.
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They killed the entire US Army and will kill them again tomorrow!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Master of the Mundane at June 23, 2025 02:22 PM (L/fGl)
Posted by: Oldcat
They would be using different nuclear materials for reactors vs ultra refined materials for bombs.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 23, 2025 02:22 PM (5WDkb)
A lotta people also seem to forget Trump lobbed a bunch of cruise missiles at Syria and that didn't cause a major land war either.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2025 02:23 PM (viF8m)
Posted by: H at June 23, 2025 02:23 PM (2gjbv)
Posted by: runner at June 23, 2025 02:23 PM (g47mK)
There was a lot of hair on fire that day, my friend.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2025 02:23 PM (Riz8t)
OSINTdefender@sentdefender
Iran’s Supreme National Security Council claims in a statement, that the IRGC and Army “pulverized” the U.S. Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar in response this weekend’s strikes against nuclear sites in Iran. It further says the number of missiles matched the number of U.S. bombs used, and claims the strike avoided civilian areas, with the wording suggesting that this will be the only military action by Iran against the United States.
They pulled Baghdad Bob out of mothballs.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 23, 2025 02:24 PM (5WDkb)
Which is not a small assumption, by the way.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:20 PM (GBKbO)
Chief of the IAEA today said in Vienna that he believed the Fordow facility had been heavily damaged. Can't get in to inspect, because Israel staged a strike a few hours ago to make sure that all of the entrances were completely demolished. They've also been destroying the mountain roads and any bridges leading to the facility, to make sure that it will take months to even try to dig it up.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2025 02:24 PM (uWKK8)
Which is not a small assumption, by the way.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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I think Israel has fully penetrated all of Iran's society to the extent that they can corroborate or not our technical satellite/plane derived imagery whether Fordow and/or its equipment was in fact destroyed.
The same for the alleged removal of a bunch of equipment etc from Fordow, etc. before being bombed. Enriched uranium may or may not have been removed but we also have technical means to track such materials that is one of the blacker (tightly held secrets) areas of nat sec capabilities.
Posted by: whig at June 23, 2025 02:24 PM (ctrM5)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2025 02:22 PM (tT6L1)
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He could have bad info based on bad assumptions.
They used A LOT of bunker busters. It might have been enough to cause enough quakes hundreds of meters underground, under a mountain, to damage the centrifuges to the point of unusability.
But that's...an assumption. Unless Israel has some intelligence assets in Iran who can verify, which I'd never imagine them admitting to for at least a decade.
So, maybe. But I'm doubtful.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:24 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:18 PM
In the name of the general welfare, to protect the people's security, to achieve full equality and total stability, it is decreed for the duration of the city emergency that:
Point One. All workers, wage earners and employees of any kind whatsoever shall henceforth be attached to their jobs and shall not leave nor be dismissed nor change employment, under penalty of a term in jail. The penalty shall be determined by the Unification Board , such Board to be appointed by the Bureau of Economic Planning and National Resources. All persons reaching the age of twenty-one shall report to the Unification Board, which shall assign them to where, in its opinion, their services will best serve the interests of the city
Point Two. All industrial, commercial, manufacturing and business establishments of any nature whatsoever shall henceforth remain in operation, and the owners of such establishments shall not quit nor leave nor retire, nor close, sell or transfer their business, under penalty of the seizure of their establishment.
Posted by: Directive 10-289 at June 23, 2025 02:25 PM (jc0TO)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:18 PM (GBKbO)
Absolutely nothing could go wrong with his platform! The minimum wage, the govt run grocery stores, free day care, rent freezes, free transportation, homeless shelters in the subway. All sounds very blissful and realistic.
Posted by: Piper at June 23, 2025 02:25 PM (pZEOD)
Posted by: Oldcat a
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If someone offers to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge, I would be skeptical if I were you.
Why not gas or oil? They have that and cheap. They can not run a conventional facility but they think they will run a nuke? Why enrichment -- that is very expensive, specialized, and has large economy of scale -- Russia is their friend and has excess capability. This is all bull.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 23, 2025 02:26 PM (QQ0oH)
Posted by: polynikes at June 23, 2025 01:51 PM (VofaG)
Shouldn’t that be a teeenie tiny bit concerning to everyone?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 23, 2025 02:26 PM (/CkK4)
So, maybe. But I'm doubtful.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:24 PM (GBKbO)
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Fair enough. I'll call myself "cautiously optimistic."
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2025 02:26 PM (tT6L1)
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2025 02:24 PM (uWKK
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So, Iran will end up finding out the state of Fardow in a few weeks at the earliest.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:26 PM (GBKbO)
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Hope Ayatollah is reading this momentous news ! This will make his so happy, he might want to call his top clerics and commanders to congratulate !
Posted by: runner at June 23, 2025 02:26 PM (g47mK)
LOL!
Name one country who doesn't regard each and every nuke very precious and near and dear to their hearts.
No One would EVER part with a nuke, not even to their bestest friend.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 02:26 PM (DCmYx)
Posted by: blake
Without crust and rolled in minced parsley.
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 23, 2025 02:26 PM (W2Pud)
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 02:26 PM (t0Rmr)
I've been saying this here for months. Apparently, some just refuse to accept that there are limitations to what can be done in reconciliation.
There is a second process that is happening simultaneously and it will go on for the rest of the fiscal year and it includes rescission and letting short term spending bills expire without being renewed along with other means.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2025 02:26 PM (viF8m)
Good. Hopefully it’s true.
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at June 23, 2025 02:26 PM (eZwyX)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2025 02:26 PM (mlg/3)
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 23, 2025 02:26 PM (6iGXV)
Posted by: runner at June 23, 2025 02:26 PM (g47mK)
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2025 02:24 PM (uWKK
Sounds like Biden's FEMA
Posted by: polynikes at June 23, 2025 02:27 PM (VofaG)
Posted by: Piper at June 23, 2025 02:25 PM (pZEOD)
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If I could vote for this guy in NY, I would. Just for the laughs.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2025 02:27 PM (tT6L1)
Which is not a small assumption, by the way.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:20 PM (GBKbO)
Chief of the IAEA today said in Vienna that he believed the Fordow facility had been heavily damaged. Can't get in to inspect, because
Because leaking fissile material is bad juju.
Posted by: rickb223 at June 23, 2025 02:27 PM (5WDkb)
Posted by: A pawn in game of life. at June 23, 2025 02:27 PM (Ef4Ak)
and has already been noted, China squashed the idea of closing the Straits of Hormuz earlier today.
Isreali jets are still over Iran, blowing up IRGC bases all over the country, and Iran has nothing left to even shoot at them with anymore.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2025 02:27 PM (uWKK8)
Posted by: polynikes at June 23, 2025 01:51 PM (VofaG)
Shouldn’t that be a teeenie tiny bit concerning to everyone?
What would be concerning is to be so weak of mind that you let Pence determine whether or not you support Trump.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2025 02:27 PM (Riz8t)
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 02:28 PM (t0Rmr)
We need to send a few more GRB-72(?) creepers...
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 23, 2025 02:28 PM (ufFY8)
LOL!
Name one country who doesn't regard each and every nuke very precious and near and dear to their hearts.
No One would EVER part with a nuke, not even to their bestest friend.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 02:26 PM (DCmYx)
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Ukraine did.
It arguable wasn't theirs, just within their territory but owned by the USSR, but Ukraine only gave them up because Clinton pinky swore we'd never let them regret it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:28 PM (GBKbO)
It failed. This guy Witkoff hasn't accomplished a damn thing. Get someone else.
Posted by: Soothsayer
He was specifically put out there as a highly visible attempt to engage Iran and Russia in peace negotiations. Iran refused to talk to him because Khameini has went radio silent and the remaining Iranians that wanted to talk did not want to put themselves out front of dear leader. Putin, in Russia, is winning against Ukraine and thus has little reason to placate the little penis piano player in Kiev.
Third party negotiators only work when both sides are willing to make peace.
Posted by: whig at June 23, 2025 02:28 PM (ctrM5)
Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2025 02:28 PM (viF8m)
Posted by: Karen McAwfl at June 23, 2025 02:28 PM (rqEUB)
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 23, 2025 02:29 PM (6iGXV)
Posted by: Ukraine and South Africa at June 23, 2025 02:29 PM (Riz8t)
and has already been noted, China squashed the idea of closing the Straits of Hormuz earlier today.
Isreali jets are still over Iran, blowing up IRGC bases all over the country, and Iran has nothing left to even shoot at them with anymore.
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2025 02:27 PM (uWKK
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France could conquer them now.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:29 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: tubal at June 23, 2025 02:29 PM (PCK5/)
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Heard earlier today:
"The Senate parliamentarian, Elizabeth MacDonough, has rejected provisions in a House-passed bill that would have limited the ability of federal judges to hold government officials in contempt for violating court orders. This decision was based on the finding that the provision violated the Senate’s Byrd Rule, which restricts what can be included in budget reconciliation bills.
The provision would have required individuals suing the federal government to post a financial bond before courts could use their contempt powers to enforce rulings, a move widely criticized as undermining judicial authority and constitutional protections."
Posted by: ShainS -- Busy Organizing 'Make Trump King' Protests at June 23, 2025 02:29 PM (4/Esc)
Fuck him.
Posted by: The Truth at June 23, 2025 02:29 PM (HgFW6)
Posted by: polynikes at June 23, 2025 01:51 PM (VofaG)
Shouldn’t that be a teeenie tiny bit concerning to everyone?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 23, 2025 02:26 PM (/CkK4)
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What? He did? Holy shit, that changes everything! As long as Pence blessed the action, it must be wrong. Trump really IS a bad orange man. So glad that Pence's pronouncement clarified everything.
Posted by: Frasier Crane at June 23, 2025 02:29 PM (bNf8H)
Posted by: Black Orchid at June 23, 2025 02:29 PM (Pv3Rg)
You, along with many people, especially the Iranians, completely misunderstand what Witkoff's assignment was.
Posted by: Tom Servo
Dood...
That was harsh.
Why you do me like that?
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 02:30 PM (DCmYx)
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14m
Breaking: Trump does not want more U.S. military engagement in the region Per CNN, citing senior WH official
"We knew they’d retaliate. They had a similar response after Soleimani."
Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2025 02:30 PM (viF8m)
Posted by: A pawn in game of life. at June 23, 2025 02:30 PM (Ef4Ak)
Posted by: Black Orchid at June 23, 2025 02:30 PM (Pv3Rg)
I am all for regime change, but it is up to the people there to change it. No more sending our guys into pointless meat-grinder actions.
We are on the right side in this current conflict, but our role should be limited to the air and sea, and then only to do those things that only the US can do. Like flying halfway around the world non-stop in planes nobody else has to drop bombs that nobody else has.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Posted by: Don Black. Message: release the Kraken at June 23, 2025 02:30 PM (AOsQT)
T: Will it work?
MA: Success is absolutely certain,. There is no possibility the bomb will fail, if deployed correctly.
T: How confident are we that the bomb will be deployed correctly?
MA: My contacts tell me they are virtually certain that all involved are committed to proper deployment, according to available data.
T: That's all I needed to hear.
Posted by: Oglebay at June 23, 2025 02:30 PM (MMp6W)
Imagine if Lil Z hadn't banned elections and his former Sec Def or main political advisor was elected instead and hadn't wasted Uke manpower on frontal assaults to retake the parts of Ukraine that want to leave anyway?
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 02:30 PM (t0Rmr)
Which is not a small assumption, by the way.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:20 PM (GBKbO)
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Well, I'm assuming President Trump knows what he's talking about when he says Fardow has been destroyed. Mainly because I've learned, over the years, President Trump tends to be right, a lot.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2025 02:22 PM (tT6L1)
Requiescat in Pace
TACO
May 2, 2025 - June 21, 2025
"Taken from us far too soon."
- The MSM
Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 23, 2025 02:30 PM (0CU3H)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2025 02:30 PM (mlg/3)
Posted by: Crusader at June 23, 2025 02:31 PM (TN0g+)
3. A number of countries are ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads.
4. Israel is under attack, explosions are rocking the country, and people are panicking.
5. The US is now entangled in a new conflict, with prospects of a ground operation looming on the horizon.
6. Iran’s political regime has survived — and in all likelihood, has come out even stronger.
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So he's saying Iran was working to enrich U and will continue to do so if they don't give up.
Someone might sell warheads to Iran. He isn't saying Russia plans to. North Korea has offered a time or two. Of course he isn't saying Russia will do so either.
Its just the 'on the other hand' view of what these strikes mean. From a Russian perspective they don't want NATO on the Iranian border just as much as the Ukranian border.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 02:31 PM (8avO+)
*cough*
Posted by: Ukraine and South Africa at June 23, 2025 02:29 PM (Riz8t)
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"Here, hold my camel."
-- Zombie Muammar Gaddafi
Posted by: ShainS -- Busy Organizing 'Make Trump King' Protests at June 23, 2025 02:32 PM (4/Esc)
That's different.
I'm talking about sharing your nuclear arsenal with some other shithole regime.
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 02:32 PM (DCmYx)
So, maybe. But I'm doubtful.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,
My career is capital equipment for semiconductor industry. (design, but I also deal with operations and maintenance)
Shutting power and dropping bombs nearby is enough to keep them offline long enough that a restart is a major undertaking. If they got the access tunnels alone that is a major setback. If they managed to contaminate the main halls, the whole thing is a write off. My thinking is 90% chance they seal the holes with concrete and never touch it again based on the limited reporting so far.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 23, 2025 02:32 PM (QQ0oH)
TACO
May 2, 2025 - June 21, 2025
"Taken from us far too soon."
- The MSM
Posted by: Darrell Harris at June 23, 2025 02:30 PM (0CU3H)
The MSM again takes the wrong side of the 80-20 position
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 02:32 PM (8avO+)
Posted by: Boss Moss at June 23, 2025 02:32 PM (6iGXV)
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 23, 2025 02:26 PM (/CkK4)
Absolutely, but if you're allowed to use the broken clock theory, so am I.
Besides, Pence has always been a reliable wind indicator.
He and others know Trump is likely to come out of this one smelling like a rose.
Posted by: ... at June 23, 2025 02:32 PM (E0p3T)
We need to send a few more GRB-72(?) creepers...
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 23, 2025 02:28 PM (ufFY
Minecraft? Have a bit of respect for their technology level.
Posted by: DigDug, The Original at June 23, 2025 02:32 PM (wVcYX)
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2025 02:33 PM (uWKK8)
5. The US is now entangled in a new conflict, with prospects of a ground operation looming on the horizon.
Wrong. There is no "entanglement." Who wrote this shit?
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 02:33 PM (DCmYx)
Posted by: CaliGirl at June 23, 2025 02:33 PM (hs4ik)
mnw corollary:
the bad news is that we might have six or seven
Posted by: mnw at June 23, 2025 02:33 PM (kd60y)
Middle East wars are turn-based
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Just like the board game Risk!
As a kid I always liked the name "Kamchatka".
Posted by: Crusader at June 23, 2025 02:33 PM (TN0g+)
Shutting power and dropping bombs nearby is enough to keep them offline long enough that a restart is a major undertaking. If they got the access tunnels alone that is a major setback. If they managed to contaminate the main halls, the whole thing is a write off. My thinking is 90% chance they seal the holes with concrete and never touch it again based on the limited reporting so far.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 23, 2025 02:32 PM (QQ0oH)
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I think it mostly depends on how deep Iran built the facilities.
Reportedly, it was 400 meters beneath the surface of the mountain.
MOPs penetrate to 100 meters. What do 16 MOPs in a row do? Can they pattern the destruction to affect 400 meters down?
That's the big question.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:33 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: polynikes at June 23, 2025 01:51 PM (VofaG)
Shouldn’t that be a teeenie tiny bit concerning to everyone?
What would be concerning is to be so weak of mind that you let Pence determine whether or not you support Trump.
Posted by: Archimedes at June 23, 2025 02:27 PM (Riz8t)
Here’s a crazy idea dude. I don’t support forever war. I don’t care who engages in it. Trump is wrong here. And the fact pieces of shit like Pence are for it just adds to how wrong Trump is.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 23, 2025 02:34 PM (/CkK4)
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2025 02:33 PM (uWKK
Frankly I don't see Russia wanting any country to have nukes especially a country with as nutty a "leadership" as Iran...
Posted by: It's me donna at June 23, 2025 02:34 PM (VE6XX)
Imagine if Lil Z hadn't banned elections and his former Sec Def or main political advisor was elected instead and hadn't wasted Uke manpower on frontal assaults to retake the parts of Ukraine that want to leave anyway?
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 02:30 PM (t0Rmr)
Every time he even tries to Z and his secret police try assassinations and attacks in Russia proper to gain political points. None are of any military use.
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 02:34 PM (8avO+)
>>3. A number of countries are ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads.
I guess the people who have been saying there's no proof Iran was trying to acquire nukes can stop now.
Posted by: JackStraw at June 23, 2025 02:34 PM (viF8m)
MOPs penetrate to 100 meters. What do 16 MOPs in a row do? Can they pattern the destruction to affect 400 meters down?
That's the big question.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, reflecting on change and permanence with Ozu at June 23, 2025 02:33 PM (GBKbO)
Supposedly they said they can...
Posted by: It's me donna at June 23, 2025 02:35 PM (VE6XX)
Posted by: Don Black. Message: release the Kraken at June 23, 2025 02:35 PM (AOsQT)
I think that's what the intertubes are. Making opinions based on just the latest news and ignoring everything that came before.
Posted by: polynikes at June 23, 2025 02:35 PM (VofaG)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at June 23, 2025 02:35 PM (ufFY8)
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at June 23, 2025 02:35 PM (/CkK4)
Posted by: Tom Servo at June 23, 2025 02:33 PM (uWKK
Shooting his mouth of is one of his Jobs. He's "Bad Cop"
Posted by: Oldcat at June 23, 2025 02:36 PM (8avO+)
Posted by: Don Black. Message: release the Kraken at June 23, 2025 02:35 PM (AOsQT)
Once we didn't respond with force right after 9/11 the world realized we're probably pussies now like the UK. Trump however is different.
Posted by: ... at June 23, 2025 02:36 PM (E0p3T)
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Posted by: A pawn in game of life. at June 23, 2025 02:36 PM (Ef4Ak)
Posted by: JackStraw
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A lot of the opposition comes also from the misunderstanding of the debt ceiling. It will HAVE to be raised soon and due to Trump/DOGE that drop dead date of extraordinary measures has been extended from the projections of early June in January to now August timeline.
It can be and has been included in the reconciliation bill as interest payments are mandatory spending so kosher. By doing that, it cuts out having to accept gobs of cash spending that Dems want in order to pass it with their votes.
First, all of you wanting cuts to Social Security, you are going to have to have filibuster proof 60 senators to cut or change it. It cannot be done via reconciliation. Second, Trump has repeatedly mentioned he is not pursuing cuts in either Social Security or Medicare right now.
So, you have rescission bills for the discretionary spending highlighted by DOGE to permanently change the baseline spending and reconciliation for Medicaid cuts (considered mandatory spending) making the 2017 tax cuts permanent, and raising the debt ceiling. Done with scant majorities in both Houses. We cannot afford a Massie or a Paul with such stakes.
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As a kid I always liked the name "Kamchatka".
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Chief export: Vodka
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Posted by: TheJamesMadison,
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Ukraine gave them up because they couldn't afford to maintain or secure them. They were a basket case with a white elephant. Even without a promise of security, they understood that at that point in time they were nothing but a liability and possibly made Russia more of a threat since there was no way to use them against Russia anyway.
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That sounds like a company like AMAT or the like. I have had good luck with thise stocks.
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Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at June 23, 2025 02:32 PM (QQ0oH)
Plus those centrifuges are rather delicate to disturbances that jack with their calibration. Even if those bombs didn't penetrate into the centrifuge areas, the shock waves alone will probably destroy any further use of them.
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I see you have reviewed the entire file Mr Whig.
Good job.
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Posted by: A pawn in game of life. at June 23, 2025 02:38 PM (Ef4Ak)
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I thought you'd like that one.
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Posted by: ... at June 23, 2025 02:36 PM (E0p3T)
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Posted by: polynikes at June 23, 2025 02:40 PM (VofaG)
Posted by: Soothsayer at June 23, 2025 02:07 PM
Can you be our next UN Ambassador?
Posted by: Frank Barone at June 23, 2025 02:43 PM (IifOV)
Massie is doing EXACTLY what I voted for him to do. Trump does not get some special dispensation to spend any way he like. I remember when we were promisde regular order in the house on spending. Turns out, yet again, it was a lie.
Rand Paul, otoh, with his whinging about tariffs may get another look.
Posted by: ghbucky at June 23, 2025 02:46 PM (/xDbx)
MOPs penetrate to 100 meters. What do 16 MOPs in a row do? Can they pattern the destruction to affect 400 meters down?
That's the big question.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Those bombs were purpose built to take out underground bunkers after the inability to take out deep Iraqi bunkers during the Saddam regime. Iran went into hyperdrive constructing deep bunkers during that time and these bombs were almost purposebuilt to take those out.
The original designs during the Second Gulf War were kludges using old cannon barrels, etc. hurriedly tested. These were tested and purpose built by the AF from the ground up to penetrate deep bunkers making the use of nukes to do that superfluous.
Posted by: whig at June 23, 2025 02:46 PM (ctrM5)
Posted by: Jupiter no rings mofo at June 23, 2025 02:46 PM (Tf4vx)
Rand Paul, otoh, with his whinging about tariffs may get another look.
Posted by: ghbucky
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Hate to tell you ghbucky but moving from continuing resolutions to omnibus within a budget framework is regular process. Ditto for rescission bills. You might look up and find how you have been misled if you can look up Stephen Miller's explanation of what the administration is doing.
Massie ain't giving you the whole story as budget bills, especially involving the reconciliation process is essentially a thicket. Likewise omnibus, continuing resolutions, baseline budgeting, debt ceilings, etc. are items that Congress critters purposefully act like an octopus spraying ink and either exaggerate, misled, or even directly lie about what they can and cannot do during a session.
Then there is the requirement that you managed with a slight majority to get a bill passed without Dem votes. Requiring Dem votes will essentially kill any budget bills.
Posted by: whig at June 23, 2025 02:52 PM (ctrM5)
>>That's the big question.
Not much if these installations are buried that deep.
Rock and earth can absorb a metric shit ton of energy.
But if the peripheral bombing makes these facilities inaccessible, that's just as good as destroying it.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at June 23, 2025 02:54 PM (XV/Pl)
Posted by: 18-1 at June 23, 2025 02:30 PM (t0Rmr)
Every time he even tries to Z and his secret police try assassinations and attacks in Russia proper to gain political points. None are of any military use.
Posted by: Oldcat
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It was baked into the cake that Ukraine would lose in a protracted war unless it could finangle idiot Western countries to try to prop it up. Ukraine's best opportunity for peace was squandered by all around douchebag Boris Johnson (probably at the behest of the Biden junta) when Putin made serious offers after the failure of the decapitation strike on Kiev. I shudder to think of the consequences if Z man had retained nukes from the Soviet era to use.
Posted by: whig at June 23, 2025 02:55 PM (ctrM5)
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A reconciliation bill cannot cut the green sludge discretionary spending other than those tax credits due to the Byrd rule. The rest has to be via rescission bills. Second, Medicaid is a weird new federalism project from the LBJ/Nixon era where states administer the federal program. That complicates matters like work requirements, etc. as those regulations that actually give effect to those states to follow have to be moved through the leviathan HHS bureaucracy in order to apply to the states. Administrative Practices Act applies to those.
Most people here would be well served to actually read CRS (Congressional Research Service) reports over exactly how the budget process actually works.
It was purposefully designed to be opaque, easily demagogued, and mislead people and Trump II is much better prepared than Trump I in circumventing what Congress has been doing since Obama. Aka continuing resolutions.
Posted by: whig at June 23, 2025 03:02 PM (ctrM5)
That's Tom Massie.
Posted by: Mister Fabulist at June 23, 2025 03:13 PM (x8eGV)
Posted by: gov'theretohelp at June 23, 2025 03:23 PM (PfnFb)
Want to fund the IRS? Pass the bill. Otherwise, they get no money.
Massie is the only guy in DC who refuses to participate in the shill game. If we HAVE to have his vote, then Trump better figure out a way to meet him on his terms, because Massie is going nowhere.
Posted by: ghbucky at June 23, 2025 03:47 PM (/xDbx)
Regular order is passing an actual budget, on time ... which hasn't been done since 1997!!!!!!!!!!
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