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Trump Signs Executive Order Demanding that US Drug Makers Sell Drugs to the US Market at the Same Prices They Sell to Other Countries
I don't know what his claim of power is based on. Congress passes a lot of laws granting the executive to take action on its own initiative, so maybe he has some power here. Maybe he has power as the ultimate administrator of Medicaid. I don't know.
American patients first: Trump orders drugmakers to match lowest global pricesPfizer rigged the 2020 election by delaying their discovery of a "vaccine," so I'm all out of tears for Pfizer. How are you?
On Monday, President Trump signed an executive order aimed at slashing prescription drug prices by requiring pharmaceutical companies to offer Americans the lowest prices they charge anywhere in the world. Key Details: The executive order instructs the Secretary of Health and Human Services to allow Americans to purchase drugs directly from manufacturers at "Most-Favored-Nation" prices, bypassing costly middlemen. If pharmaceutical companies refuse, the order directs HHS to impose rules mandating most-favored-nation pricing and to use "other aggressive measures" to end anticompetitive practices. Trump blasted the current system where "Americans pay massively higher prices than other nations" and said it was effectively "subsidizing socialism abroad with skyrocketing prices at home." Diving Deeper: President Trump on Monday signed a major executive order designed to overhaul the way Americans pay for prescription drugs, calling the move part of his broader promise to put "American patients first." The action, according to a White House fact sheet, is intended to "bring the prices Americans and taxpayers pay for prescription drugs in line with those paid by similar nations." The order directs the U.S. Trade Representative and the Secretary of Commerce to crack down on foreign countries that "purposefully and unfairly undercut market prices," leading to increased costs for American consumers. "We're not going to let these other countries rob us blind anymore," Trump said, according to the release. "We are the biggest buyer in the world--and it's time we got the best deal." A central feature of the order is a new mechanism through which American patients will be able to purchase drugs directly from manufacturers at a "Most-Favored-Nation" price--meaning the lowest price those companies offer to any other developed country. By cutting out pharmacy benefit managers and other middlemen, the administration aims to bypass entrenched pricing systems that often leave American consumers paying more than their counterparts abroad. Should pharmaceutical companies refuse to comply, the order empowers the Secretary of Health and Human Services to take further action, including proposing binding rules to mandate the lower pricing and applying other regulatory pressure to break up what the administration describes as "anticompetitive practices." Trump underscored the need for action by citing new data that shows Americans pay more than three times as much for brand-name drugs as citizens in other developed nations, even after accounting for discounts. The White House also noted that although the U.S. represents less than 5% of the global population, it accounts for roughly 75% of all global pharmaceutical profits--due in part to "subsidizing drug-manufacturer profits and foreign health systems." "In case after case, our citizens pay massively higher prices than other nations pay for the same exact pill, from the same factory," Trump said. "You can see some examples where the price is beyond anything--four times, five times different."
BREAKING: President Trump signs executive order instituting "Most Favored Nation" to lower drug prices.
— MxM News (@mxmnews) May 12, 2025
"You're talking about TRILLIONS and TRILLIONS of dollars." pic.twitter.com/YBr7o99xS1
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Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2025 12:14 PM (FAGAJ)
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Howdy!
Posted by: Moonbeam at May 12, 2025 12:14 PM (rbKZ6)
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Timing is everything.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2025 12:14 PM (FAGAJ)
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Ahhh, a continuation of the last thread.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 12, 2025 12:15 PM (u73oe)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing Bigoted Facts at May 12, 2025 12:16 PM (cPjH3)
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Well, so the drug companies will finance another billion dollar steal.
Otoh- they were going to do that anyway to try to cash in on the next plandemic.
Otoh- they were going to do that anyway to try to cash in on the next plandemic.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 12, 2025 12:16 PM (bss/y)
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The Others have been summoned.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2025 12:16 PM (FAGAJ)
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There goes my cheap Canadian drugs.... I'm serious...
Posted by: It's me donna at May 12, 2025 12:16 PM (VE6XX)
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Nice! We can just transplant the argument in the last thread over to here!
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 12, 2025 12:16 PM (N1tpc)
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That was an amazing press conference! I loved his story about his fat friend buying Ozempic in London. "It's not working...". He is just hilarious.
Posted by: Moonbeam at May 12, 2025 12:17 PM (rbKZ6)
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Cool. New topic.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 12:17 PM (ExV1e)
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I think we'll go the week without a loss, which would be nice.
I think we'll go the week without a loss, which would be nice.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing Bigoted Facts at May 12, 2025 12:17 PM (cPjH3)
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8 There goes my cheap Canadian drugs.... I'm serious...
Posted by: It's me donna at May 12, 2025 12:16 PM (VE6XX)
Valid concern (I am assuming the argument will be they will jack to prices up to other countries.)
This is the problem with governmental action- it is a sloppy, stupid hammer.
Posted by: It's me donna at May 12, 2025 12:16 PM (VE6XX)
Valid concern (I am assuming the argument will be they will jack to prices up to other countries.)
This is the problem with governmental action- it is a sloppy, stupid hammer.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 12, 2025 12:18 PM (bss/y)
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FIRST!!!!!
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)
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And I'm sure Trump didn't bother to ask all the judges in the country first, before making this unilateral decision.
Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at May 12, 2025 12:18 PM (ERYKL)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing Bigoted Facts at May 12, 2025 12:19 PM (cPjH3)
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15 Pfizer can Pf*ck itself.
Die, evil company. Die.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)
Sponge Mangione.
Die, evil company. Die.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)
Sponge Mangione.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 12, 2025 12:19 PM (bss/y)
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Oh boy. The fight continues.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 12:19 PM (77rzZ)
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Man Sponge.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 12, 2025 12:19 PM (bss/y)
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But the free market that doesn't exist in that industry or government will be threatened!!!
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - How much did you pay for that blood you donated for free? at May 12, 2025 12:19 PM (SHl2J)
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Trump is changing the calculus for companies to use discriminatory pricing.
Like global shipping, we've been subsidizing the rest of the world at the cost of our own people. No reason the US should support either the socialize medicine of other countries or the evil drug companies in the first place.
(Side note: I never called the companies "evil" until they conspired with the government to force people to take their experimental drugs.)
Like global shipping, we've been subsidizing the rest of the world at the cost of our own people. No reason the US should support either the socialize medicine of other countries or the evil drug companies in the first place.
(Side note: I never called the companies "evil" until they conspired with the government to force people to take their experimental drugs.)
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at May 12, 2025 12:19 PM (N1tpc)
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Struggling.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)
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Hang in there, brother. This too shall pass.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)
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Hang in there, brother. This too shall pass.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 12, 2025 12:19 PM (u73oe)
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Treasury Secretary Bessent: “The Chinese Told Us Once Joe Biden Came into Office They Just Ignored Their Obligations”
Posted by: SMOD at May 12, 2025 12:20 PM (iVwRV)
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 12:20 PM (77rzZ)
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Gonna be fun to watch Dems spin this as a bad thing for seniors.
Also the next NR op-Ed will be Why Cheaper drugs for Americans is a communist plot by Trump.
Also the next NR op-Ed will be Why Cheaper drugs for Americans is a communist plot by Trump.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 12:20 PM (e4LaW)
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Good afternoon Ace and everyone
Always heard for decades US drug companies sold foreign countries cheaper than here
Always heard for decades US drug companies sold foreign countries cheaper than here
Posted by: Skip at May 12, 2025 12:20 PM (eBXlK)
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Willowed from previous thread. Tom Homan's comments about the Pope were from February. He was addressing Pope Francis, not newly elected Pope Leo XIV. Important note.
Posted by: Grayman27 at May 12, 2025 12:20 PM (pgwxJ)
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How are you?
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Out of tears for every drug company and every person that is dumb enough to ever vote for a Democrat or a Republican.
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Out of tears for every drug company and every person that is dumb enough to ever vote for a Democrat or a Republican.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 12:20 PM (M/gGe)
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Wasn't it the Moderna CEO or CFO who "retired" with a performance bonus of something like $926 MILLION dollars???
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 12, 2025 12:21 PM (Vqx30)
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https://ktla.com/news/local-news
/amazon-driver-purportedly-poops-
on-front-porch-of-los-angeles-home/
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats
Another triumph for women's liberation, I see.
/amazon-driver-purportedly-poops-
on-front-porch-of-los-angeles-home/
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats
Another triumph for women's liberation, I see.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Elephants and Earthquakes! at May 12, 2025 12:21 PM (L/fGl)
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Pfizer and Moderna made billions off of the vax.
I have no tears for them.
I have no tears for them.
Posted by: Chemist at May 12, 2025 12:21 PM (HJMJw)
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Whenever I see that one ad at Insty, I always wonder in what world large wolves visit beaches? I can't imagine any terrain where wolf habitats intersect beaches?
Posted by: Crusader at May 12, 2025 12:21 PM (TN0g+)
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I think we'll go the week without a loss, which would be nice.
Starmer says he's closing the UK's borders and requiring immigrants to speak English. If it actually happens, that's a pretty big win.
Starmer says he's closing the UK's borders and requiring immigrants to speak English. If it actually happens, that's a pretty big win.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2025 12:22 PM (2ocoG)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2025 12:22 PM (RIvkX)
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hey ace! doing great!
pharma is ripping the US off and worse
I had to sign NDAs so that's all I'll say lol
something has to change
pharma is ripping the US off and worse
I had to sign NDAs so that's all I'll say lol
something has to change
Posted by: Black Orchid at May 12, 2025 12:22 PM (Pv3Rg)
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17 How are you?
Struggling.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)
**********
Praying daily for you and your wife.🙏
Struggling.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)
**********
Praying daily for you and your wife.🙏
Posted by: redridinghood at May 12, 2025 12:22 PM (NpAcC)
Posted by: Chief Justice Roberts Ackbar at May 12, 2025 12:22 PM (i24o9)
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Struggling.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)
Look on the bright side, you do not look like Bella Ramsey from the Last of Us.
https://tinyurl.com/yc4fap8w
I mean, I am assuming you're not Bella. If you are, nice... jacket?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:18 PM (Zz0t1)
Look on the bright side, you do not look like Bella Ramsey from the Last of Us.
https://tinyurl.com/yc4fap8w
I mean, I am assuming you're not Bella. If you are, nice... jacket?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 12, 2025 12:23 PM (bss/y)
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35 I think we'll go the week without a loss, which would be nice.
Starmer says he's closing the UK's borders and requiring immigrants to speak English. If it actually happens, that's a pretty big win.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2025 12:22 PM (2ocoG)
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$5 says its just rhetoric to distract in a news cycle, Labour will block him or never pass the legislation that he needs for it, and it'll be forgotten in a week.
Starmer says he's closing the UK's borders and requiring immigrants to speak English. If it actually happens, that's a pretty big win.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2025 12:22 PM (2ocoG)
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$5 says its just rhetoric to distract in a news cycle, Labour will block him or never pass the legislation that he needs for it, and it'll be forgotten in a week.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:23 PM (GBKbO)
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Sirs and Madams,
It is imperative we stick to Conservative principles such as free trade at any price and expensive drugs for Americans. If we don’t the terrorists will win. Now let’s go spread some freedom around the world.
Sincerely
- 2003 Conservatism
It is imperative we stick to Conservative principles such as free trade at any price and expensive drugs for Americans. If we don’t the terrorists will win. Now let’s go spread some freedom around the world.
Sincerely
- 2003 Conservatism
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 12:23 PM (e4LaW)
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We've had a WTO complaint in spades forever on this one. I have fewer concerns for pharma than I once did - now after the covid vaccine debacle they can go under for all I care. But we subsidize the socialist medical systems all around the world on drugs.
I'm pretty sure that the Secretary of HHS can tell the drug companies, we will pay no more than X for any drug. The pharma company has a choice. Sell at below R&D recovery costs abroad - and no longer have US sales to make up the difference (and go bankrupt), try and make it up on private insurers creating a hailstorm of price increase to everyone who gets their coverage through their job - and create the mother of all political fireballs to engulf their businesses, or charge foreign countries more.
I believe they will be compelled to do the latter.
I'm pretty sure that the Secretary of HHS can tell the drug companies, we will pay no more than X for any drug. The pharma company has a choice. Sell at below R&D recovery costs abroad - and no longer have US sales to make up the difference (and go bankrupt), try and make it up on private insurers creating a hailstorm of price increase to everyone who gets their coverage through their job - and create the mother of all political fireballs to engulf their businesses, or charge foreign countries more.
I believe they will be compelled to do the latter.
Posted by: Black JEM at May 12, 2025 12:23 PM (GZYu7)
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Starmer says he's closing the UK's borders and requiring immigrants to speak English.
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Does anyone really believe him???
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Does anyone really believe him???
Posted by: Crusader at May 12, 2025 12:24 PM (TN0g+)
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Whenever I see that one ad at Insty, I always wonder in what world large wolves visit beaches? I can't imagine any terrain where wolf habitats intersect beaches?
Posted by: Crusader
Are you kidding? The wolves are all over the place when I go to the beach!
-- Tara Yazdi in a bikini
Posted by: Crusader
Are you kidding? The wolves are all over the place when I go to the beach!
-- Tara Yazdi in a bikini
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 12:24 PM (77rzZ)
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31 Wasn't it the Moderna CEO or CFO who "retired" with a performance bonus of something like $926 MILLION dollars???
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 12, 2025 12:21 PM (Vqx30)
That might be enough to get through retirement.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 12, 2025 12:21 PM (Vqx30)
That might be enough to get through retirement.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 12, 2025 12:24 PM (bss/y)
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Governing by executive order is just not gud.
That's not how any of this is supposed to work.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2025 12:22 PM (RIvkX)
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I agree, but that train left the station a long time ago.
That's not how any of this is supposed to work.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2025 12:22 PM (RIvkX)
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I agree, but that train left the station a long time ago.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 12, 2025 12:25 PM (u73oe)
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Afternoon ace.
This might not be pure free market capitalism, but Big pharma can look at this action as a kick in the balls for charging shut steep prices in collusion with the uniparty
This might not be pure free market capitalism, but Big pharma can look at this action as a kick in the balls for charging shut steep prices in collusion with the uniparty
Posted by: Smell the Glove at May 12, 2025 12:25 PM (4/Kdf)
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>>> 36 Governing by executive order is just not gud.
That's not how any of this is supposed to work.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2025 12:22 PM (RIvkX)
True, it would be nice if the worthless congresscritters would do something....
I am hoping they will either get off they asses to do less than what we would want, but more than the commies would like, if for no other reason than to prevent or delay normal people finally getting pissed off enough to do it themselves exactly as they want.
That's not how any of this is supposed to work.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2025 12:22 PM (RIvkX)
True, it would be nice if the worthless congresscritters would do something....
I am hoping they will either get off they asses to do less than what we would want, but more than the commies would like, if for no other reason than to prevent or delay normal people finally getting pissed off enough to do it themselves exactly as they want.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 12, 2025 12:25 PM (Vqx30)
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The pharma company has a choice. Sell at below R&D recovery costs abroad - and no longer have US sales to make up the difference (and go bankrupt), try and make it up on private insurers creating a hailstorm of price increase to everyone who gets their coverage through their job - and create the mother of all political fireballs to engulf their businesses, or charge foreign countries more.
There's another option: stop spending billions subsidizing the MFM. I suspect that's Trump's actual aim.
There's another option: stop spending billions subsidizing the MFM. I suspect that's Trump's actual aim.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2025 12:25 PM (2ocoG)
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There was a time when I would have thought this was commie crap - but after the way Pharma fucked us all over with Covid? Fuck them. Fuck them and wreck everything they’ve got.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2025 12:25 PM (uWKK8)
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Let's see, what could Trump hold over the heads of Big Pharma?
"Secretary Kennedy has determined that prescription drug advertising is ruining the health of American consumers, and we have decided to end it".
Would also destroy Commie newsrooms throughout the country. Sixty Minutes would tic it's last tic.
"Secretary Kennedy has determined that prescription drug advertising is ruining the health of American consumers, and we have decided to end it".
Would also destroy Commie newsrooms throughout the country. Sixty Minutes would tic it's last tic.
Posted by: Mega Ultra MAGA Manny at May 12, 2025 12:25 PM (G5+As)
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46 31 Wasn't it the Moderna CEO or CFO who "retired" with a performance bonus of something like $926 MILLION dollars???
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 12, 2025 12:21 PM (Vqx30)
That might be enough to get through retirement.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 12, 2025 12:24 PM (bss/y)
It’ll be barely enough if you only join the 2nd tier exclusive clubs. The ones with only a $5M buy in vs the really expensive ones with $10m buy in.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 12, 2025 12:21 PM (Vqx30)
That might be enough to get through retirement.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 12, 2025 12:24 PM (bss/y)
It’ll be barely enough if you only join the 2nd tier exclusive clubs. The ones with only a $5M buy in vs the really expensive ones with $10m buy in.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 12:25 PM (e4LaW)
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As I commented in previous thread this seems to me to a form of a reverse tariff instead of a price control. The executive does control tariffs.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:25 PM (VofaG)
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Valid concern (I am assuming the argument will be they will jack to prices up to other countries.)
This is the problem with governmental action- it is a sloppy, stupid hammer.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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Nope. Essentially the drug companies have no friends in the world left other than who they bought.
Other countries with socialized or semi socialized health care systems are simply not going to let drug companies raise their prices there and if they have to terminate patents to do it, they will. And African/3rd World will simply ignore the patents and make the drugs anyway.
Basically drug companies operated under something called monopolistic competition at best, an oligopoly at worst and thus price discrimination allows them to capture all the demand under the curve to maximize revenue.
Like most things, greed in the end causes political responses and pharma paid outright bribes to politicians and the media in the US in order to keep the revenue flowing. Those sort of situations never can last historically speaking.
This is the problem with governmental action- it is a sloppy, stupid hammer.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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Nope. Essentially the drug companies have no friends in the world left other than who they bought.
Other countries with socialized or semi socialized health care systems are simply not going to let drug companies raise their prices there and if they have to terminate patents to do it, they will. And African/3rd World will simply ignore the patents and make the drugs anyway.
Basically drug companies operated under something called monopolistic competition at best, an oligopoly at worst and thus price discrimination allows them to capture all the demand under the curve to maximize revenue.
Like most things, greed in the end causes political responses and pharma paid outright bribes to politicians and the media in the US in order to keep the revenue flowing. Those sort of situations never can last historically speaking.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2025 12:26 PM (ctrM5)
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Starmer says he's closing the UK's borders and requiring immigrants to speak English. If it actually happens, that's a pretty big win.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2025 12:22 PM (2ocoG)
What the Left says and what they do are two usually opposing things.
Biden had the lowest number of illegal crossings of any president. What they don't tell you is the Demento Administration shuffled millions of illegals right through the legal ports of entry and allowed every crossing anyway. Hence the low number.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2025 12:22 PM (2ocoG)
What the Left says and what they do are two usually opposing things.
Biden had the lowest number of illegal crossings of any president. What they don't tell you is the Demento Administration shuffled millions of illegals right through the legal ports of entry and allowed every crossing anyway. Hence the low number.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 12:26 PM (M/gGe)
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Socialist countries just declare that they will only pay $1 for a pill because it costs 25 cents to manufacture. It’s stupidity logic, because it costs a billion to develop and most products don’t even make it to market. But the US has paid the difference for generations. We can declare we will pay no more than they will just like they can. I am so sick of hearing about how awful and expensive our health care is compared to European countries, when we subsidize their cheap prices AND pay for their national security on top of it. Screw them. This policy will raise prices dramatically around the world, but lower prices modestly for the US.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at May 12, 2025 12:26 PM (8iNlE)
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It's about time other countries pay more for research and development instead of the U.S. having to foot the bill
Posted by: redridinghood at May 12, 2025 12:26 PM (NpAcC)
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True, it would be nice if the worthless congresscritters would do something
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Fund raising is something. As is insider trading.
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Fund raising is something. As is insider trading.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 12:26 PM (e4LaW)
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[O/T Trivia:] On this day 58 years ago, in 1967, the Jimi Hendrix Experience released their debut album, "Are You Experienced," into the UK markets. This album was an instant hit and is widely regarded as one of the greatest debuts in the history of rock music.
The album featured innovative songwriting and electric guitar playing that soon established a new direction in psychedelic and rock music.
"Are You Experienced" spent 33 weeks on the British charts, peaking at number two, and was released in the US on August 23, 1967, where it reached number five on the US Billboard Top LPs chart.
The original U.K. release didn't include some of the album's biggest hits, including "Purple Haze," "Hey Joe" and "The Wind Cries Mary." They were added for the U.S. edition ...
The album featured innovative songwriting and electric guitar playing that soon established a new direction in psychedelic and rock music.
"Are You Experienced" spent 33 weeks on the British charts, peaking at number two, and was released in the US on August 23, 1967, where it reached number five on the US Billboard Top LPs chart.
The original U.K. release didn't include some of the album's biggest hits, including "Purple Haze," "Hey Joe" and "The Wind Cries Mary." They were added for the U.S. edition ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Sovereignty Trumps Journalism (#OrangeHorseBad)! at May 12, 2025 12:26 PM (0otV1)
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Would also destroy Commie newsrooms throughout the country. Sixty Minutes would tic it's last tic.
I think that's the real goal here.
I think that's the real goal here.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2025 12:26 PM (2ocoG)
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How about bringing back Quaaludes?
Posted by: Pudinhead at May 12, 2025 12:26 PM (n17eQ)
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Keeping you and yours on the prayer list, Sponge.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2025 12:26 PM (FAGAJ)
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The pharma company has a choice. Sell at below R&D recovery costs abroad - and no longer have US sales to make up the difference (and go bankrupt), try and make it up on private insurers creating a hailstorm of price increase to everyone who gets their coverage through their job - and create the mother of all political fireballs to engulf their businesses, or charge foreign countries more.
There's another option: stop spending billions subsidizing the MFM. I suspect that's Trump's actual aim.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2025 12:25 PM (2ocoG)
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It may be - but the condition I've noted is real - and has existed forever. Yes, they spend alot on ads. It is dwarfed by what I outlined.
There's another option: stop spending billions subsidizing the MFM. I suspect that's Trump's actual aim.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2025 12:25 PM (2ocoG)
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It may be - but the condition I've noted is real - and has existed forever. Yes, they spend alot on ads. It is dwarfed by what I outlined.
Posted by: Black JEM at May 12, 2025 12:26 PM (GZYu7)
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What? You guys were fussing over an EO that can only lead to foreigners paying more for drugs?
You hammer-heads. Now I’m just embarrassed for you.
You hammer-heads. Now I’m just embarrassed for you.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 12, 2025 12:27 PM (jbnUc)
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I remember when I used to defend corporations. I was a big dummy.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 12:27 PM (M/gGe)
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Don't know how this will force Big Pharma Compliance, but another tactic could.
The US Government through Medicare and Veterans Admin are a YUGE customer... simple order not to pay more than 'favored nation' prices for drugs would be effective, AND would seem to be legal.
The US Government through Medicare and Veterans Admin are a YUGE customer... simple order not to pay more than 'favored nation' prices for drugs would be effective, AND would seem to be legal.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 12, 2025 12:27 PM (QAkQ3)
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Pfizer should be broken into pieces and people responsible for the withholding of information in 2020 and those responsible for withholding information about the mortal dangers of their drugs either executed or imprisoned for life.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 12, 2025 12:27 PM (kYTDp)
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>>> 51 There was a time when I would have thought this was commie crap - but after the way Pharma fucked us all over with Covid? Fuck them. Fuck them and wreck everything they’ve got.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2025 12:25 PM (uWKK
Why am I just now hearing of your most excellent newsletter???
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2025 12:25 PM (uWKK
Why am I just now hearing of your most excellent newsletter???
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 12, 2025 12:27 PM (Vqx30)
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46 31 Wasn't it the Moderna CEO or CFO who "retired" with a performance bonus of something like $926 MILLION dollars???
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 12, 2025 12:21 PM (Vqx30)
That might be enough to get through retirement.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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As the COVID data about how truly bad the vaxx was continues to dribble out and how Moderna and Pfizer rigged the trials, that guy best be worrying about a price on his head and asset forfeiture.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 12, 2025 12:21 PM (Vqx30)
That might be enough to get through retirement.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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As the COVID data about how truly bad the vaxx was continues to dribble out and how Moderna and Pfizer rigged the trials, that guy best be worrying about a price on his head and asset forfeiture.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2025 12:28 PM (ctrM5)
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I too am all out of tears for Pfizer (and the rest of them), but this executive order is just dumb.
We fight against the deep state enacting their own rules, but this is exactly what the president is doing! How does this differ from the EPA demanding that farmers treat puddles as inland waterways? Or redefining CO2 as a poison?
We fight against the deep state enacting their own rules, but this is exactly what the president is doing! How does this differ from the EPA demanding that farmers treat puddles as inland waterways? Or redefining CO2 as a poison?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at May 12, 2025 12:28 PM (L5An7)
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Sponge, I learned yesterday that my h.s. gf with whom I remain close has Dx breast cancer. She assures me it is early stage and very treatable but this news has invaded my body and created a huge vacuum in the center. I am definitely not here and now.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2025 12:28 PM (RIvkX)
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Ace, the Cobs are amazing, but it's really great to have you back on the job. A day wondering what you will come up with next is just better than a day on which that's not an option.
Posted by: Splunge at May 12, 2025 12:28 PM (ju/6W)
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At least it gets people talking about it and puts the issue out there and pressure on those companies, even if some Hawaiian judge will block the order.
Posted by: brak at May 12, 2025 12:28 PM (jGJov)
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65 What? You guys were fussing over an EO that can only lead to foreigners paying more for drugs?
You hammer-heads. Now I’m just embarrassed for you.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 12, 2025 12:27 PM (jbnUc)
But muhConserativePrinciples!!
You hammer-heads. Now I’m just embarrassed for you.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 12, 2025 12:27 PM (jbnUc)
But muhConserativePrinciples!!
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 12:28 PM (e4LaW)
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47 Governing by executive order is just not gud.
That's not how any of this is supposed to work.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2025 12:22 PM (RIvkX)
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I agree, but that train left the station a long time ago.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 12, 2025 12:25 PM (u73oe)
There’s no other choice. Trump really has less than 2 years to achieve any real change, and the system has already decided they can just wait him out by making sure Congress does nothing. (And that’s easy)
So the choice for Trump is either do it this way, or do like Arnold did when he was Governator, which is give up and let it all ride.
47 Governing by executive order is just not gud.
That's not how any of this is supposed to work.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2025 12:22 PM (RIvkX)
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I agree, but that train left the station a long time ago.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 12, 2025 12:25 PM (u73oe)
There’s no other choice. Trump really has less than 2 years to achieve any real change, and the system has already decided they can just wait him out by making sure Congress does nothing. (And that’s easy)
So the choice for Trump is either do it this way, or do like Arnold did when he was Governator, which is give up and let it all ride.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2025 12:29 PM (uWKK8)
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I think it's more outta tears for Canada and the EU than Big Pharma. Big Pharma, sure. But they're just playing the cards dealt, having the US subsidize the world's pharmaceuticals just cuz the US is the only one taking 'free market high road' on trade... Let's see how all these socialist health systems do with their drug prices doubling & tripling. And how their smug 30-hour work week, 45 days vacation citizenry take to losing America's de facto health care subsidies...
Posted by: bearski at May 12, 2025 12:29 PM (Bhsk7)
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I think we're the only one, or one of two, countries in the world that allows pharma ads on TV and such.
When the vaxes came out, I really wasn't that shocked how Faux Noose went all COVIDidiot when I realized how many pharma ads play during any given commercial break.
When the vaxes came out, I really wasn't that shocked how Faux Noose went all COVIDidiot when I realized how many pharma ads play during any given commercial break.
Posted by: Iasonas at May 12, 2025 12:29 PM (gUzGB)
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>>> 59 True, it would be nice if the worthless congresscritters would do something
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Fund raising is something. As is insider trading.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 12:26 PM (e4LaW)
I see I should have specified "something USEFUL to their supposed constituents"
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Fund raising is something. As is insider trading.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 12:26 PM (e4LaW)
I see I should have specified "something USEFUL to their supposed constituents"
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 12, 2025 12:29 PM (Vqx30)
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He may have made them "an offer they can't refuse" in order save face and to stay out of jail.
Same as the massive new investments in the US.
Note the difference in approach- WE benefit from the conditions imposed (well, let's pretend the drugs are good). It's not the gov't imposing and pocketing fines 'on behalf' of us.
Same as the massive new investments in the US.
Note the difference in approach- WE benefit from the conditions imposed (well, let's pretend the drugs are good). It's not the gov't imposing and pocketing fines 'on behalf' of us.
Posted by: t-bird at May 12, 2025 12:29 PM (fL/bX)
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Governing by executive order is just not gud.
That's not how any of this is supposed to work.
Posted by: San Franpsycho
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I think this is the point.
He knows they hate him. He's doing things to force them to do their jobs. And it will hamstring the presidents that come after him that have been doing things to destroy this country for decades.
And they will be the ones limiting their own ability to keep chipping away at the nation.
I hope he smile and gives a thumbs-up (or okay sign) when they figure it out.
That's not how any of this is supposed to work.
Posted by: San Franpsycho
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I think this is the point.
He knows they hate him. He's doing things to force them to do their jobs. And it will hamstring the presidents that come after him that have been doing things to destroy this country for decades.
And they will be the ones limiting their own ability to keep chipping away at the nation.
I hope he smile and gives a thumbs-up (or okay sign) when they figure it out.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - How much did you pay for that blood you donated for free? at May 12, 2025 12:29 PM (SHl2J)
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Sponge, did your daughter damage her car in an accident? If so, I hope that she is OK.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 12:29 PM (77rzZ)
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70 46 31 Wasn't it the Moderna CEO or CFO who "retired" with a performance bonus of something like $926 MILLION dollars???
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 12, 2025 12:21 PM (Vqx30)
That might be enough to get through retirement.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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As the COVID data about how truly bad the vaxx was continues to dribble out and how Moderna and Pfizer rigged the trials, that guy best be worrying about a price on his head and asset forfeiture.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2025 12:28 PM (ctrM5)
And Luigi shot an insurance guy?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 12, 2025 12:21 PM (Vqx30)
That might be enough to get through retirement.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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As the COVID data about how truly bad the vaxx was continues to dribble out and how Moderna and Pfizer rigged the trials, that guy best be worrying about a price on his head and asset forfeiture.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2025 12:28 PM (ctrM5)
And Luigi shot an insurance guy?
Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2025 12:30 PM (r51hs)
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Starmer says he's closing the UK's borders and requiring immigrants to speak English. If it actually happens, that's a pretty big win.
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Ironic, because if a regular Brit citizen were to tweet something about requiring sealed borders or requiring immigrants to speak English, they'd probably have the police knock on their door and arrest them for "hate speech."
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Ironic, because if a regular Brit citizen were to tweet something about requiring sealed borders or requiring immigrants to speak English, they'd probably have the police knock on their door and arrest them for "hate speech."
Posted by: Lady in Black at May 12, 2025 12:30 PM (qBdHI)
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Nope. Essentially the drug companies have no friends in the world left other than who they bought.
Other countries with socialized or semi socialized health care systems are simply not going to let drug companies raise their prices there and if they have to terminate patents to do it, they will. And African/3rd World will simply ignore the patents and make the drugs anyway.
Basically drug companies operated under something called monopolistic competition at best, an oligopoly at worst and thus price discrimination allows them to capture all the demand under the curve to maximize revenue.
Like most things, greed in the end causes political responses and pharma paid outright bribes to politicians and the media in the US in order to keep the revenue flowing. Those sort of situations never can last historically speaking.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2025 12:26 PM (ctrM5)
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That would be interesting, because that would be a theft of US company IP - for the most part. And a flagrant WTO violation, which if it breaks down the further subsidization of global trade by the US would be devastating for these foreign countries. I think the foreign countries will have to blink.
Other countries with socialized or semi socialized health care systems are simply not going to let drug companies raise their prices there and if they have to terminate patents to do it, they will. And African/3rd World will simply ignore the patents and make the drugs anyway.
Basically drug companies operated under something called monopolistic competition at best, an oligopoly at worst and thus price discrimination allows them to capture all the demand under the curve to maximize revenue.
Like most things, greed in the end causes political responses and pharma paid outright bribes to politicians and the media in the US in order to keep the revenue flowing. Those sort of situations never can last historically speaking.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2025 12:26 PM (ctrM5)
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That would be interesting, because that would be a theft of US company IP - for the most part. And a flagrant WTO violation, which if it breaks down the further subsidization of global trade by the US would be devastating for these foreign countries. I think the foreign countries will have to blink.
Posted by: Black JEM at May 12, 2025 12:30 PM (GZYu7)
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The US Government through Medicare and Veterans Admin are a YUGE customer... simple order not to pay more than 'favored nation' prices for drugs would be effective, AND would seem to be legal.
Posted by: Romeo13
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And that would simply cause everyone else on private insurance in the US to eat the turd. It is best to go after Big Pharma whole hog in this particular case. We have known about their pricing patterns even before Obama to soak US consumers of pharmaceuticals.
Posted by: Romeo13
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And that would simply cause everyone else on private insurance in the US to eat the turd. It is best to go after Big Pharma whole hog in this particular case. We have known about their pricing patterns even before Obama to soak US consumers of pharmaceuticals.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2025 12:30 PM (ctrM5)
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What the Left says and what they do are two usually opposing things.
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Often involving the redefinition of words.
Because there is no objective reality, h8rs ...
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Often involving the redefinition of words.
Because there is no objective reality, h8rs ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Sovereignty Trumps Journalism (#OrangeHorseBad)! at May 12, 2025 12:30 PM (fIKfQ)
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Hopefully the results of this will mean less revenue to spend on insipid commercials depicting homos who can have butseks without fear of contracting AIDS and fat people singing about lowering their A1C.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at May 12, 2025 12:30 PM (luW68)
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I remember when I used to defend corporations. I was a big dummy.
Posted by: ...
It's OK, Lamont.
Posted by: ...
It's OK, Lamont.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 12:30 PM (77rzZ)
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What? You guys were fussing over an EO that can only lead to foreigners paying more for drugs?
You hammer-heads. Now I’m just embarrassed for you.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 12, 2025 12:27 PM (jbnUc)
There was a time when I would have thought this was commie crap - but after the way Pharma fucked us all over with Covid? Fuck them. Fuck them and wreck everything they’ve got.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2025 12:25 PM (uWKK
This to both.
You hammer-heads. Now I’m just embarrassed for you.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at May 12, 2025 12:27 PM (jbnUc)
There was a time when I would have thought this was commie crap - but after the way Pharma fucked us all over with Covid? Fuck them. Fuck them and wreck everything they’ve got.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 12, 2025 12:25 PM (uWKK
This to both.
Posted by: Chief Justice Roberts Ackbar at May 12, 2025 12:31 PM (i24o9)
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Remarkable that Trump does so much winning that he doesn't even bother to take a pause after the China deal success before rolling out his next big thing.
I expected winning, but I did not expect this "flood the zone" approach. It makes me happy, and utterly overwhelms the capacity of the media and its political party to respond.
I expected winning, but I did not expect this "flood the zone" approach. It makes me happy, and utterly overwhelms the capacity of the media and its political party to respond.
Posted by: Splunge at May 12, 2025 12:31 PM (ju/6W)
Posted by: haffhowershower at May 12, 2025 12:31 PM (K+s1B)
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71 I too am all out of tears for Pfizer (and the rest of them), but this executive order is just dumb.
We fight against the deep state enacting their own rules, but this is exactly what the president is doing! How does this differ from the EPA demanding that farmers treat puddles as inland waterways? Or redefining CO2 as a poison?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at May 12, 2025 12:28 PM (L5An7)
B/c we're $37T in debt and this is not adding to it. This is a next cost savings to us in a non-free market monopoly, not a next cost add.
You have 2 choices on a spectrum - let Medicare go bankrupt and enact death panels...or try to get the world to actually pay their fair share of elderly costs and not have the US pay everyone's elderly health care costs...we're trying to move the spectrum closer to the latter...
Medicare and Medicaid are the looming cost disasters...not SS...
We fight against the deep state enacting their own rules, but this is exactly what the president is doing! How does this differ from the EPA demanding that farmers treat puddles as inland waterways? Or redefining CO2 as a poison?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at May 12, 2025 12:28 PM (L5An7)
B/c we're $37T in debt and this is not adding to it. This is a next cost savings to us in a non-free market monopoly, not a next cost add.
You have 2 choices on a spectrum - let Medicare go bankrupt and enact death panels...or try to get the world to actually pay their fair share of elderly costs and not have the US pay everyone's elderly health care costs...we're trying to move the spectrum closer to the latter...
Medicare and Medicaid are the looming cost disasters...not SS...
Posted by: Nova Local at May 12, 2025 12:31 PM (tOcjL)
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We fight against the deep state enacting their own rules, but this is exactly what the president is doing! How does this differ from the EPA demanding that farmers treat puddles as inland waterways? Or redefining CO2 as a poison?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at May 12, 2025 12:28 PM (L5An7)
Well for one it's not the deep state doing it. For two, principles are essentially loser stuff until the commies are eliminated. Then we can go back to Our Principles.
BTW I don't love it but I honestly don't hate it either. I don't want to subsidize the world so they can turn around and shit on us. That is already communism.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at May 12, 2025 12:28 PM (L5An7)
Well for one it's not the deep state doing it. For two, principles are essentially loser stuff until the commies are eliminated. Then we can go back to Our Principles.
BTW I don't love it but I honestly don't hate it either. I don't want to subsidize the world so they can turn around and shit on us. That is already communism.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 12:31 PM (M/gGe)
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I wish Trump would sign an EO forbidding the private equity takeover of hospitals and health systems, and after mining the operation for every last red cent, file for bankruptcy, leaving half a million citizens without their trusted providers and thousands of employees and medical staff jobless.
that's what I wish
that's what I wish
Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2025 12:31 PM (dCxaZ)
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think we're the only one, or one of two, countries in the world that allows pharma ads on TV and such.
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Yep. The other is New Zealand.
75% of cable news revenue is pharma ads . But I’m sure that in no way influenced what cable news said about the Covid vax.
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Yep. The other is New Zealand.
75% of cable news revenue is pharma ads . But I’m sure that in no way influenced what cable news said about the Covid vax.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 12:31 PM (e4LaW)
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President Trump signs EO aimed at slashing prescription drug prices...
Gonna be a hot time in the Old Town tonight! Come here Martha, I got my blue pill refill and am feeling my oats! But first let me remove my hands free catheter, which was delivered to my home at no cost to me!
Gonna be a hot time in the Old Town tonight! Come here Martha, I got my blue pill refill and am feeling my oats! But first let me remove my hands free catheter, which was delivered to my home at no cost to me!
Posted by: The Villages Sex Pests at May 12, 2025 12:31 PM (xofCm)
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How about they raise their prices in the other countries and lower them in the USA to get the same gross revenue. Or as close as they can . I don't think it would be a bad compromise to have a $1 pill in Canada raised to $2.50 and the same $5 pill in the USA lowered to $3. Again like the tariff negotiations.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:32 PM (VofaG)
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Drug prices are just crazy, SingleCare and GoodRx for example. WTaF, how can the pharmacy charge someone with an app on their phone 20% to 50% less than the next customer. I mean it might make sense to have a cheaper direct price than for going through an insurance plan but why do you have to have a phone app?
Of course now the grocers to that too. DigitalU deals and the like. They already had the club card, but I guess the phone app lets them tailor marketing. I don't love Wally's overall, but at least their price is their price.
Of course now the grocers to that too. DigitalU deals and the like. They already had the club card, but I guess the phone app lets them tailor marketing. I don't love Wally's overall, but at least their price is their price.
Posted by: PaleRider at May 12, 2025 12:32 PM (bP/i4)
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Steal from Marxist to give lower prices to my mom who is still living.
Also you called her a terrorist.
Also you called her a terrorist.
Posted by: Dreamingrobot at May 12, 2025 12:32 PM (J8LnB)
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I also notice that no one in DC or the media ever talks about Obamacare anymore.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 12, 2025 12:32 PM (u73oe)
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Posted by: ShainS -- Sovereignty Trumps Journalism (#OrangeHorseBad)!
Love the expanded version of your nic.
Love the expanded version of your nic.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 12:32 PM (77rzZ)
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The US Government through Medicare and Veterans Admin are a YUGE customer... simple order not to pay more than 'favored nation' prices for drugs would be effective, AND would seem to be legal.
Medicare sets the baseline pricing for health care in the US. Private insurers go along with what Medicare will pay. So that's a very powerful lever, one that's often blamed for why health care costs so much.
Medicare sets the baseline pricing for health care in the US. Private insurers go along with what Medicare will pay. So that's a very powerful lever, one that's often blamed for why health care costs so much.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2025 12:32 PM (2ocoG)
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And Luigi shot an insurance guy?
Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2025 12:30 PM (r51hs)
Leftists aren't that bright.
Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2025 12:30 PM (r51hs)
Leftists aren't that bright.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 12, 2025 12:32 PM (i24o9)
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Sponge Mangione.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 12, 2025 12:19 PM (bss/y)
I didn't call for murdering anyone.
The company itself can go away.
Sponge Mangione.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 12, 2025 12:19 PM (bss/y)
I didn't call for murdering anyone.
The company itself can go away.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:32 PM (Zz0t1)
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I had to sign NDAs so that's all I'll say lol
Write it down and put it somewhere to go public once you no longer care… for whatever reason.
Write it down and put it somewhere to go public once you no longer care… for whatever reason.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 12, 2025 12:32 PM (EXyHK)
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Drug manufacturing and sales in the United States (and world wide) is a cartel, restricted by governmental regulations that aim to restrict market entry, market access and pricing. All cartels aim to provide the least possible value for the greatest profit. Governments like this because regulatory compliance is money going to the Gov, and of course all those not-shady-at-all donations go in the right pockets too.
Cartels destroy markets worse than price fixing, the way a slow chronic infection is the worst sort of infection. Wage and price controls will spike problems immediately and will either destroy the regs or cause the government to fall.
Cartels just suck you dry and give you crappy service for the rest of your life, and onto the fifth generation if allowed.
I think it is a wash, and I care more about possible R&D and market access for startups and compounding pharmacies.
Cartels destroy markets worse than price fixing, the way a slow chronic infection is the worst sort of infection. Wage and price controls will spike problems immediately and will either destroy the regs or cause the government to fall.
Cartels just suck you dry and give you crappy service for the rest of your life, and onto the fifth generation if allowed.
I think it is a wash, and I care more about possible R&D and market access for startups and compounding pharmacies.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 12, 2025 12:32 PM (D7oie)
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Hang in there, brother. This too shall pass.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 12, 2025 12:19 PM (u73oe)
Thanks. I'm building up to that belief.....I really am.
Hang in there, brother. This too shall pass.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 12, 2025 12:19 PM (u73oe)
Thanks. I'm building up to that belief.....I really am.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:33 PM (Zz0t1)
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That would be interesting, because that would be a theft of US company IP - for the most part. And a flagrant WTO violation, which if it breaks down the further subsidization of global trade by the US would be devastating for these foreign countries. I think the foreign countries will have to blink.
Posted by: Black JEM
Not really. If you actually think WTO can do a damn thing, their track record is spectacularly awful. For example, all the Euro land penalties on US tech firms, and so on.
WTO is a dead institution walking along with other multilateral treaties like NATO or the UN for that matter. Simply put, unless you are willing to drop bombs and send troops to enforce these things, nations will always defect from treaties when it is in their own self interest to do so.
Kenneth Waltz, the theorist behind neo realism was right and the various institutionalists preaching global institutions were wrong.
Posted by: Black JEM
Not really. If you actually think WTO can do a damn thing, their track record is spectacularly awful. For example, all the Euro land penalties on US tech firms, and so on.
WTO is a dead institution walking along with other multilateral treaties like NATO or the UN for that matter. Simply put, unless you are willing to drop bombs and send troops to enforce these things, nations will always defect from treaties when it is in their own self interest to do so.
Kenneth Waltz, the theorist behind neo realism was right and the various institutionalists preaching global institutions were wrong.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2025 12:33 PM (ctrM5)
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So we provide 85% of the defense of Europe, and we subsidize their socialized medicine. And they still cheat us on fair trade.
I'm not sure what deal Trump got from China to lower their tariffs, but all I heard was Xi (CCP) agreed to reduce the fentanyl flow to the USA. So they made an "agreement" to stop killing so many Americans ... which they will probably keep doing.
I'm not sure what deal Trump got from China to lower their tariffs, but all I heard was Xi (CCP) agreed to reduce the fentanyl flow to the USA. So they made an "agreement" to stop killing so many Americans ... which they will probably keep doing.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 12, 2025 12:33 PM (Cus5s)
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The vaxx is still killing more people everyday than COVID ever did.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 12, 2025 12:33 PM (/HoPU)
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former boyfriend used to be Big Pharma salesman
the stories he told...
one of them is that his company, Glaxo/Smith/Kline, would host junkets for the doctors. They would go fun places like Hawaii and one of the jobs of the pharma salesman was to get hookers for the MDs.
the stories he told...
one of them is that his company, Glaxo/Smith/Kline, would host junkets for the doctors. They would go fun places like Hawaii and one of the jobs of the pharma salesman was to get hookers for the MDs.
Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2025 12:33 PM (dCxaZ)
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The US Government through Medicare and Veterans Admin are a YUGE customer... simple order not to pay more than 'favored nation' prices for drugs would be effective, AND would seem to be legal.
Posted by: Romeo13
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And that would simply cause everyone else on private insurance in the US to eat the turd. It is best to go after Big Pharma whole hog in this particular case. We have known about their pricing patterns even before Obama to soak US consumers of pharmaceuticals.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2025 12:30 PM (ctrM5)
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Yes - it would - and the backlash would be extreme. I'm happy to end this little dance of the FDA and Big Pharma as well. You need to attack the socialist medicine parasites at the same time.
Posted by: Romeo13
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And that would simply cause everyone else on private insurance in the US to eat the turd. It is best to go after Big Pharma whole hog in this particular case. We have known about their pricing patterns even before Obama to soak US consumers of pharmaceuticals.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2025 12:30 PM (ctrM5)
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Yes - it would - and the backlash would be extreme. I'm happy to end this little dance of the FDA and Big Pharma as well. You need to attack the socialist medicine parasites at the same time.
Posted by: Black JEM at May 12, 2025 12:33 PM (GZYu7)
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I like the little twist he put in there- he is granting the US "Most Favored Nation" status. Finally!
Posted by: t-bird at May 12, 2025 12:34 PM (4Nep/)
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Starmer says he's closing the UK's borders and requiring immigrants to speak English. If it actually happens, that's a pretty big win.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2025 12:22 PM (2ocoG)
If he started getting rid of some of the ones already there he could save his party... which would be ironic since they'd get rid of him.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2025 12:22 PM (2ocoG)
If he started getting rid of some of the ones already there he could save his party... which would be ironic since they'd get rid of him.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 12:34 PM (ExV1e)
Posted by: Wesley Crusher at May 12, 2025 12:34 PM (RIvkX)
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98 How about they raise their prices in the other countries and lower them in the USA to get the same gross revenue. Or as close as they can . I don't think it would be a bad compromise to have a $1 pill in Canada raised to $2.50 and the same $5 pill in the USA lowered to $3. Again like the tariff negotiations.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:32 PM (VofaG)
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The problem is the more expensive medications, the ones that cost US consumers $100 per pill but England can hand out for effectively free.
Raising that cost on the English NHS would break the bank. They can't accept that.
I think that, assuming this goes forward, black markets get worse, socialized healthcare becomes more restrictive as the countries buy less, and, maybe, American prices go down.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:32 PM (VofaG)
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The problem is the more expensive medications, the ones that cost US consumers $100 per pill but England can hand out for effectively free.
Raising that cost on the English NHS would break the bank. They can't accept that.
I think that, assuming this goes forward, black markets get worse, socialized healthcare becomes more restrictive as the countries buy less, and, maybe, American prices go down.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:34 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 12:34 PM (M/gGe)
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Likely an antitrust action here. Remember the process is the punishment. The pain and cost of defending globalism in action will make them flinch
Posted by: Pete Bog at May 12, 2025 12:34 PM (0REC/)
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Willowed, reposting because on-topic:
One of the most useful things Our Betters have done is convince people to embrace "free market" type beliefs while knowing that they (Our Betters) are operating in a quasi or outright government-endorsed / enforced socialist environment where there is little to no risk for them but all reward, all while people still living in Heritage America discuss ideal free market approaches to allowing them to continue doing what they've been doing the entire time.
One of the most useful things Our Betters have done is convince people to embrace "free market" type beliefs while knowing that they (Our Betters) are operating in a quasi or outright government-endorsed / enforced socialist environment where there is little to no risk for them but all reward, all while people still living in Heritage America discuss ideal free market approaches to allowing them to continue doing what they've been doing the entire time.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - How much did you pay for that blood you donated for free? at May 12, 2025 12:34 PM (SHl2J)
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Willowed
360 {{{Sponge}}}
Sending hugs and good thoughts and much love your way.
Email in my nic if you need to vent. I promise not to offer any advice.
360 {{{Sponge}}}
Sending hugs and good thoughts and much love your way.
Email in my nic if you need to vent. I promise not to offer any advice.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 12, 2025 12:34 PM (t/2Uw)
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also notice that no one in DC or the media ever talks about Obamacare anymore.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 12, 2025 12:32 PM (u73oe)
What’s there to talk about? Al private health insurance has to conform to Obamacare rules. It’s like saying nobody talks about the sun. Yeah it’s because it’s just kinda there. Nothing you can do about it or control.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 12, 2025 12:32 PM (u73oe)
What’s there to talk about? Al private health insurance has to conform to Obamacare rules. It’s like saying nobody talks about the sun. Yeah it’s because it’s just kinda there. Nothing you can do about it or control.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 12:35 PM (e4LaW)
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I am thrilled that EPA head Lee Zeldin says he's going to get rid of the requirements that got us that horrible "my truck shuts down the engine at stoplights" feature.
My truck is 21 years old, but I refuse to replace it with a pre-broken truck with that hostile feature.
My truck is 21 years old, but I refuse to replace it with a pre-broken truck with that hostile feature.
Posted by: Splunge at May 12, 2025 12:35 PM (ju/6W)
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86 The US Government through Medicare and Veterans Admin are a YUGE customer... simple order not to pay more than 'favored nation' prices for drugs would be effective, AND would seem to be legal.
Posted by: Romeo13
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And that would simply cause everyone else on private insurance in the US to eat the turd. It is best to go after Big Pharma whole hog in this particular case. We have known about their pricing patterns even before Obama to soak US consumers of pharmaceuticals.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2025 12:30 PM (ctrM5)
And that has been happening a ton...which is why private insurance costs so much and gives so little...and why doc offices and practices beg for those consumers and limit government ones...
No, Trump's right on this...private US can't pay anymore...it's time for the world to step up if they want something for their citizens...
Posted by: Romeo13
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And that would simply cause everyone else on private insurance in the US to eat the turd. It is best to go after Big Pharma whole hog in this particular case. We have known about their pricing patterns even before Obama to soak US consumers of pharmaceuticals.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2025 12:30 PM (ctrM5)
And that has been happening a ton...which is why private insurance costs so much and gives so little...and why doc offices and practices beg for those consumers and limit government ones...
No, Trump's right on this...private US can't pay anymore...it's time for the world to step up if they want something for their citizens...
Posted by: Nova Local at May 12, 2025 12:35 PM (tOcjL)
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Sponge, did your daughter damage her car in an accident? If so, I hope that she is OK.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 12:29 PM (77rzZ)
Of sorts. She was in a pack of cars and one hit a piece of retread from a semi and it whaled the front of hers. She didn't know the radiator had cracked, which in turn slowly pissed out all the fluid. By the time it started throwing warnings, it was likely too late and I think the engine is toast.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 12:29 PM (77rzZ)
Of sorts. She was in a pack of cars and one hit a piece of retread from a semi and it whaled the front of hers. She didn't know the radiator had cracked, which in turn slowly pissed out all the fluid. By the time it started throwing warnings, it was likely too late and I think the engine is toast.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:36 PM (Zz0t1)
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I remember when I used to defend corporations. I was a big dummy.
That's the *real* "party switch". On positions like that and foreign adventurism, we're now the skeptics and the Democrats are now the cheerleaders.
That's the *real* "party switch". On positions like that and foreign adventurism, we're now the skeptics and the Democrats are now the cheerleaders.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2025 12:36 PM (2ocoG)
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I wish Trump would sign an EO forbidding the private equity takeover of hospitals and health systems, and after mining the operation for every last red cent, file for bankruptcy, leaving half a million citizens without their trusted providers and thousands of employees and medical staff jobless.
that's what I wish
Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2025 12:31 PM (dCxaZ)
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I wish Trump would sign an EO making the non-profit hospitals act like non-profits and not park excess profits in their foundations. They operate like for profits, except for being terribly inefficient and expensive.
that's what I wish
Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2025 12:31 PM (dCxaZ)
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I wish Trump would sign an EO making the non-profit hospitals act like non-profits and not park excess profits in their foundations. They operate like for profits, except for being terribly inefficient and expensive.
Posted by: Black JEM at May 12, 2025 12:36 PM (GZYu7)
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Starmer’s announcement is like someone gaining 200 lbs and then saying OK from now on I’m not having desert anymore after dinner.
Yeah OK, the damage is done my dude.
Yeah OK, the damage is done my dude.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 12:37 PM (e4LaW)
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Email in my nic if you need to vent. I promise not to offer any advice.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 12, 2025 12:34 PM (t/2Uw)
*hugs*
Thank you.
Email in my nic if you need to vent. I promise not to offer any advice.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 12, 2025 12:34 PM (t/2Uw)
*hugs*
Thank you.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:37 PM (Zz0t1)
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If this keeps more pasty, fat, Canucks off the Outer Banks beaches, I am all for it.
Posted by: The Ones That Speak French, Anyway at May 12, 2025 12:37 PM (G5+As)
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73 Ace, the Cobs are amazing, but it's really great to have you back on the job. A day wondering what you will come up with next is just better than a day on which that's not an option.
Posted by: Splunge at May 12, 2025 12:28 PM (ju/6W)
*blinking 'TORTURE' in morse code*
Posted by: Splunge at May 12, 2025 12:28 PM (ju/6W)
*blinking 'TORTURE' in morse code*
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 12, 2025 12:37 PM (bss/y)
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Ivermectin? remember that "cure" for covid ?
Posted by: aliassmithsmith at May 12, 2025 12:37 PM (ItFTg)
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This executive order will be challenged by a district court as well, probably multiple districts for multiple circuits.
With this controversy coming out on top of the insurance company - pharmacy benefit managers (who appear to be owned by the same private equity corporations) apparently fixing prices, this is going to turn into Jello-wrestling in a tub of broken bottles.
With this controversy coming out on top of the insurance company - pharmacy benefit managers (who appear to be owned by the same private equity corporations) apparently fixing prices, this is going to turn into Jello-wrestling in a tub of broken bottles.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 12, 2025 12:37 PM (D7oie)
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Maybe this price control scheme is designed to get Big Pharma to self-correct their rigged pricing grift?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 12, 2025 12:38 PM (Q4IgG)
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Establishment conventional wisdom: Absolutely nothing can be done about this long-standing and pernicious problem.
*Trump does something about it*
Establishment: REEE WE SAID NOTHING COULD BE DONE AND THIS IS THE WRONG THING YOU PEOPLE HAVE DOOMED US
Every. Time.
*Trump does something about it*
Establishment: REEE WE SAID NOTHING COULD BE DONE AND THIS IS THE WRONG THING YOU PEOPLE HAVE DOOMED US
Every. Time.
Posted by: William F. 'Buck' Dharma at May 12, 2025 12:38 PM (Ft5W9)
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I didn't call for murdering anyone.
The company itself can go away.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:32 PM (Zz0t1)
Joke, if in poor taste, man.
The company itself can go away.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:32 PM (Zz0t1)
Joke, if in poor taste, man.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 12, 2025 12:38 PM (bss/y)
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Ivermectin? remember that "cure" for covid ?
Posted by: aliassmithsmith at May 12, 2025 12:37 PM (ItFTg)
everyone knows that Ivermectin is more poisonous than Remdemisvir, that is why they banned it.
The only cure for Covid is the shots, which only kill and sterilize 5% of the population
Posted by: aliassmithsmith at May 12, 2025 12:37 PM (ItFTg)
everyone knows that Ivermectin is more poisonous than Remdemisvir, that is why they banned it.
The only cure for Covid is the shots, which only kill and sterilize 5% of the population
Posted by: Kindltot at May 12, 2025 12:38 PM (D7oie)
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I've worked in pharma for 23 years now.
This could be catastrophic for a lot of drug companies - most of them actually. Most of the revenue from drug sales is from right here in the US due to price controls in other countries.
Going to be really tough to convince investors to fund research pipelines if the golden goose of the US market is trimmed.
Ah well. Retirement is only 25 years away!
This could be catastrophic for a lot of drug companies - most of them actually. Most of the revenue from drug sales is from right here in the US due to price controls in other countries.
Going to be really tough to convince investors to fund research pipelines if the golden goose of the US market is trimmed.
Ah well. Retirement is only 25 years away!
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 12:38 PM (WYStd)
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one of them is that his company, Glaxo/Smith/Kline, would host junkets for the doctors. They would go fun places like Hawaii and one of the jobs of the pharma salesman was to get hookers for the MDs.
I worked for Maritz back in the day
that was MY job. they made us lil gals and homos in the khakis and polos work passing out drinks and tracking down VIPs all day then procuring "entertainment" for the VIPs all night
I worked for Maritz back in the day
that was MY job. they made us lil gals and homos in the khakis and polos work passing out drinks and tracking down VIPs all day then procuring "entertainment" for the VIPs all night
Posted by: Black Orchid at May 12, 2025 12:38 PM (Pv3Rg)
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Sponge, I learned yesterday that my h.s. gf with whom I remain close has Dx breast cancer. She assures me it is early stage and very treatable but this news has invaded my body and created a huge vacuum in the center. I am definitely not here and now.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2025 12:28 PM (RIvkX)
Hopefully it's the operable type and hasn't spread to lymph nodes and she doesn't need all the chemo and radiation.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2025 12:28 PM (RIvkX)
Hopefully it's the operable type and hasn't spread to lymph nodes and she doesn't need all the chemo and radiation.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:38 PM (Zz0t1)
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Ozempic is not the answer.
Changing your eating habits and lifestyle is the answer.
Changing your eating habits and lifestyle is the answer.
Posted by: George Costanza at May 12, 2025 12:38 PM (4Lxlt)
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Establishment conventional wisdom: Absolutely nothing can be done about this long-standing and pernicious problem.
*Trump does something about it*
Establishment: REEE WE SAID NOTHING COULD BE DONE AND THIS IS THE WRONG THING YOU PEOPLE HAVE DOOMED US
Every. Time.
Posted by: William F. 'Buck' Dharma at May 12, 2025 12:38 PM (Ft5W9)
Worth repeating.
*Trump does something about it*
Establishment: REEE WE SAID NOTHING COULD BE DONE AND THIS IS THE WRONG THING YOU PEOPLE HAVE DOOMED US
Every. Time.
Posted by: William F. 'Buck' Dharma at May 12, 2025 12:38 PM (Ft5W9)
Worth repeating.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 12:39 PM (M/gGe)
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I wish Trump would sign an EO making the non-profit hospitals act like non-profits and not park excess profits in their foundations. They operate like for profits, except for being terribly inefficient and expensive.
unfortunately the days of hospitals being run by religious institutions are G-O-N-E
unfortunately the days of hospitals being run by religious institutions are G-O-N-E
Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2025 12:39 PM (dCxaZ)
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98 How about they raise their prices in the other countries and lower them in the USA to get the same gross revenue. Or as close as they can . I don't think it would be a bad compromise to have a $1 pill in Canada raised to $2.50 and the same $5 pill in the USA lowered to $3. Again like the tariff negotiations.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
I think it simply is not going to happen. As I mentioned above, most western nations have fully socialized or semi socialized medicine and they are already broke. Multi national corporations are going to learn the same thing that oil companies did in the past. When a nation decides to nationalize or otherwise expropriate property (like pharmaceutical IP), they will.
For a long time, essentially the US was the patsy that paid for NATO, that gave huge amounts of foreign aid, jumped in during droughts, earthquakes, etc. world wide. Enforce IP laws etc. And subsidized pharmaceuticals worldwide as well.
We can no longer do that.
Globalism is dead including the MNCs and the new terrain is going to be very different on trade, energy, education, IP, etc.
So like the fall of the Roman Empire, things are going to change in the hinterlands.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
I think it simply is not going to happen. As I mentioned above, most western nations have fully socialized or semi socialized medicine and they are already broke. Multi national corporations are going to learn the same thing that oil companies did in the past. When a nation decides to nationalize or otherwise expropriate property (like pharmaceutical IP), they will.
For a long time, essentially the US was the patsy that paid for NATO, that gave huge amounts of foreign aid, jumped in during droughts, earthquakes, etc. world wide. Enforce IP laws etc. And subsidized pharmaceuticals worldwide as well.
We can no longer do that.
Globalism is dead including the MNCs and the new terrain is going to be very different on trade, energy, education, IP, etc.
So like the fall of the Roman Empire, things are going to change in the hinterlands.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2025 12:39 PM (ctrM5)
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osted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:34 PM (GBKbO)
Well that is on the Pharms if they are just giving away their drugs. Again like tariffs, we shouldn't have to be the whipping boy for other countries.
Well that is on the Pharms if they are just giving away their drugs. Again like tariffs, we shouldn't have to be the whipping boy for other countries.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:39 PM (VofaG)
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Nothing will be fixed with Pharma or Healthcare until Republicans roll up their sleeves and have some televised Hearings.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 12:39 PM (M/gGe)
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Does DU have intercepted Horde posts?
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AFAIK, they do not.
My understanding is, they still think Free Republic is the central hub of conservative or Republican thought in print.
Sometimes, they mention the Bulwark, but that's only as a "even these conservatives think Republicans are wrong."
One time, they darkly mentioned some "other site" but our liaison could not find any further mention or clue as to the name.
They also firmly believe conservatives only watch Fox News.
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AFAIK, they do not.
My understanding is, they still think Free Republic is the central hub of conservative or Republican thought in print.
Sometimes, they mention the Bulwark, but that's only as a "even these conservatives think Republicans are wrong."
One time, they darkly mentioned some "other site" but our liaison could not find any further mention or clue as to the name.
They also firmly believe conservatives only watch Fox News.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 12:39 PM (sYVcz)
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It is fascinating. It's not exactly a price control. Want to charge us more? Charge everyone else more, too. You can charge whatever you like. That is, i think that's what the plan is.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 12:39 PM (VoAdT)
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Not really. If you actually think WTO can do a damn thing, their track record is spectacularly awful. For example, all the Euro land penalties on US tech firms, and so on.
WTO is a dead institution walking along with other multilateral treaties like NATO or the UN for that matter. Simply put, unless you are willing to drop bombs and send troops to enforce these things, nations will always defect from treaties when it is in their own self interest to do so.
Kenneth Waltz, the theorist behind neo realism was right and the various institutionalists preaching global institutions were wrong.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2025 12:33 PM (ctrM5) '
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Oh - Have no faith in WTO. I have faith in the US creating a profit crisis in pharma telling country X, the price is this. If you won't pay it - you don't get any. And when country X steals the IP and makes it through another supplier, I expect us to tariff the crap out of everything coming from that country, and if their supplier has operations in the US seeing that it is prosecuted to the fullest extent possible and has their operating license pulled.
WTO is a dead institution walking along with other multilateral treaties like NATO or the UN for that matter. Simply put, unless you are willing to drop bombs and send troops to enforce these things, nations will always defect from treaties when it is in their own self interest to do so.
Kenneth Waltz, the theorist behind neo realism was right and the various institutionalists preaching global institutions were wrong.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2025 12:33 PM (ctrM5) '
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Oh - Have no faith in WTO. I have faith in the US creating a profit crisis in pharma telling country X, the price is this. If you won't pay it - you don't get any. And when country X steals the IP and makes it through another supplier, I expect us to tariff the crap out of everything coming from that country, and if their supplier has operations in the US seeing that it is prosecuted to the fullest extent possible and has their operating license pulled.
Posted by: Black JEM at May 12, 2025 12:40 PM (GZYu7)
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132 Ivermectin? remember that "cure" for covid ?
Posted by: aliassmithsmith at May 12, 2025 12:37 PM (ItFTg)
Or HCQ that dangerous and horrific drug with horrible side effects- that a lot of military service members have been given?
FISH TANK CLEANER!
Posted by: aliassmithsmith at May 12, 2025 12:37 PM (ItFTg)
Or HCQ that dangerous and horrific drug with horrible side effects- that a lot of military service members have been given?
FISH TANK CLEANER!
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 12, 2025 12:40 PM (bss/y)
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THIS will be Trump's most popular move so far.
Everyone hates Big Pharma--Left, Right, Middle, Poor, Rich.
Everyone worries about and complains about prescription drug prices.
This is will broad support among every class, every race, every age, every region.
Only the 15% of the populace sho are dedicated members of the Anti-Trurmp Cult will still hate him after this.
Everyone hates Big Pharma--Left, Right, Middle, Poor, Rich.
Everyone worries about and complains about prescription drug prices.
This is will broad support among every class, every race, every age, every region.
Only the 15% of the populace sho are dedicated members of the Anti-Trurmp Cult will still hate him after this.
Posted by: zombie at May 12, 2025 12:40 PM (pMi6S)
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worked in pharma for 23 years now.
This could be catastrophic for a lot of drug companies - most of them actually. Most of the revenue from drug sales is from right here in the US due to price controls in other countries.
Going to be really tough to convince investors to fund research pipelines if the golden goose of the US market is trimmed.
Ah well. Retirement is only 25 years away!
Posted by: Defenestratus
So the solution is keep subsidiz g the rest do thr world? Fuck that.
Let the rest of the world chip on for the R&D. Why is that so revolutionary and horrible?
This could be catastrophic for a lot of drug companies - most of them actually. Most of the revenue from drug sales is from right here in the US due to price controls in other countries.
Going to be really tough to convince investors to fund research pipelines if the golden goose of the US market is trimmed.
Ah well. Retirement is only 25 years away!
Posted by: Defenestratus
So the solution is keep subsidiz g the rest do thr world? Fuck that.
Let the rest of the world chip on for the R&D. Why is that so revolutionary and horrible?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 12:40 PM (e4LaW)
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>> cutting out pharmacy benefit managers
That will not go over well. Pharmacy Benefit Managers is a big profit center in Big Medicine.
That will not go over well. Pharmacy Benefit Managers is a big profit center in Big Medicine.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 12, 2025 12:40 PM (uCjyK)
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music.
The album featured innovative songwriting and electric guitar playing that soon established a new direction in psychedelic and rock music.
"Are You Experienced" spent 33 weeks on the British charts, peaking at number two, and was released in the US on August 23, 1967, where it reached number five on the US Billboard Top LPs chart.
The original U.K. release didn't include some of the album's biggest hits, including "Purple Haze," "Hey Joe" and "The Wind Cries Mary." They were added for the U.S. edition ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Sovereignty Trumps Journalism (#OrangeHorseBad)! at May 12, 2025 12:26 PM (0otV1)
I graduated in 67 and when I put that album on the old Sears Silvertone stereo Pappy Eromero asked ‘what the hell is that noise?’
The album featured innovative songwriting and electric guitar playing that soon established a new direction in psychedelic and rock music.
"Are You Experienced" spent 33 weeks on the British charts, peaking at number two, and was released in the US on August 23, 1967, where it reached number five on the US Billboard Top LPs chart.
The original U.K. release didn't include some of the album's biggest hits, including "Purple Haze," "Hey Joe" and "The Wind Cries Mary." They were added for the U.S. edition ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Sovereignty Trumps Journalism (#OrangeHorseBad)! at May 12, 2025 12:26 PM (0otV1)
I graduated in 67 and when I put that album on the old Sears Silvertone stereo Pappy Eromero asked ‘what the hell is that noise?’
Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2025 12:40 PM (r51hs)
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I wish Trump would sign an EO making the non-profit hospitals act like non-profits and not park excess profits in their foundations. They operate like for profits, except for being terribly inefficient and expensive.
CORRECT
the non profs are corrupt with or without private equity vultures
they fucked themselves, the HC workers, and now us, kallisto
CORRECT
the non profs are corrupt with or without private equity vultures
they fucked themselves, the HC workers, and now us, kallisto
Posted by: Black Orchid at May 12, 2025 12:40 PM (Pv3Rg)
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I wish Trump would sign an EO making the non-profit hospitals act like non-profits and not park excess profits in their foundations. They operate like for profits, except for being terribly inefficient and expensive.
Posted by: Black JEM at May 12, 2025 12:36 PM (GZYu7)
Non profit healthcare systems are the worst.
Posted by: Black JEM at May 12, 2025 12:36 PM (GZYu7)
Non profit healthcare systems are the worst.
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 12:40 PM (WYStd)
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And now the terminally-online left will go from idolizing Luigi to calling for the courts to block Trump.
Because Trump.
Because Trump.
Posted by: ScottM at May 12, 2025 12:40 PM (vtKAA)
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Posted by: Nova Local at May 12, 2025 12:31 PM (tOcjL)
You completely missed the point.
Congress can pass an appropriate law, and President Trump can sign it. But giving more power to the regulatory state is a dumb idea.
You completely missed the point.
Congress can pass an appropriate law, and President Trump can sign it. But giving more power to the regulatory state is a dumb idea.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at May 12, 2025 12:40 PM (L5An7)
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With these prices the way they were, what was gojng to happen when the Uniparty "socialized" our medicine. Any guesses?
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 12:40 PM (M/gGe)
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130 If this keeps more pasty, fat, Canucks off the Outer Banks beaches, I am all for it.
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This sounds horrible, but then there are hungover Irish tourists with sunburns in Florida. This is pitiful.
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This sounds horrible, but then there are hungover Irish tourists with sunburns in Florida. This is pitiful.
Posted by: Pudinhead at May 12, 2025 12:41 PM (n17eQ)
Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2025 12:41 PM (Kxh5T)
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Joke, if in poor taste, man.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 12, 2025 12:38 PM (bss/y)
My brain is a bit mush today. My bad.
Joke, if in poor taste, man.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 12, 2025 12:38 PM (bss/y)
My brain is a bit mush today. My bad.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:41 PM (Zz0t1)
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that was MY job. they made us lil gals and homos in the khakis and polos work passing out drinks and tracking down VIPs all day then procuring "entertainment" for the VIPs all night
Posted by: Black Orchid at May 12, 2025 12:38 PM (Pv3Rg)
well isn't that just so PIMPY of you! lol
lately Big Pharma has been hiring drop dead gorgeous sales reps tailored to the orientation of the doctor they are calling on.
the ex was a pretty handsome guy, he was hot actually
I guess they sent him to the female docs
Posted by: Black Orchid at May 12, 2025 12:38 PM (Pv3Rg)
well isn't that just so PIMPY of you! lol
lately Big Pharma has been hiring drop dead gorgeous sales reps tailored to the orientation of the doctor they are calling on.
the ex was a pretty handsome guy, he was hot actually
I guess they sent him to the female docs
Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2025 12:41 PM (dCxaZ)
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I've worked in pharma for 23 years now.
This could be catastrophic for a lot of drug companies - most of them actually. Most of the revenue from drug sales is from right here in the US due to price controls in other countries.
Going to be really tough to convince investors to fund research pipelines if the golden goose of the US market is trimmed.
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Any idea how much total R&D occurs in America vs all of the other nations with more lax regulations?
Hard to imagine they wouldn't be having India, Ukraine, etc. doing the bulk of stuff since nobody really cares much what happens to anyone / anything in those countries.
This could be catastrophic for a lot of drug companies - most of them actually. Most of the revenue from drug sales is from right here in the US due to price controls in other countries.
Going to be really tough to convince investors to fund research pipelines if the golden goose of the US market is trimmed.
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Any idea how much total R&D occurs in America vs all of the other nations with more lax regulations?
Hard to imagine they wouldn't be having India, Ukraine, etc. doing the bulk of stuff since nobody really cares much what happens to anyone / anything in those countries.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - How much did you pay for that blood you donated for free? at May 12, 2025 12:41 PM (SHl2J)
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Starmer says he's closing the UK's borders and requiring immigrants to speak English. If it actually happens, that's a pretty big win.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2025 12:22 PM (2ocoG)
I think it is like the German CDU's move to end Refugees, it is an attempt to block upcoming political opponent parties. AfD in Germany and Reform in UK
Let us see what actually happens.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2025 12:22 PM (2ocoG)
I think it is like the German CDU's move to end Refugees, it is an attempt to block upcoming political opponent parties. AfD in Germany and Reform in UK
Let us see what actually happens.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 12, 2025 12:41 PM (D7oie)
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So the solution is keep subsidiz g the rest do thr world? Fuck that.
the bad part is we aren't only subsidizing by paying more for drugs we need
we're doing it by being made to take drugs we DON'T NEED, some of which are dangerous, and paying out the ass for the privilege
oh and the pharms aren't just buying ad time
they are sponsoring entire shows
the bad part is we aren't only subsidizing by paying more for drugs we need
we're doing it by being made to take drugs we DON'T NEED, some of which are dangerous, and paying out the ass for the privilege
oh and the pharms aren't just buying ad time
they are sponsoring entire shows
Posted by: Black Orchid at May 12, 2025 12:41 PM (Pv3Rg)
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That would be interesting, because that would be a theft of US company IP - for the most part. And a flagrant WTO violation, which if it breaks down the further subsidization of global trade by the US would be devastating for these foreign countries. I think the foreign countries will have to blink.
Posted by: Black JEM
Virtually every product that is manufactured in China by US firms is pirated by those same Chinese manufacturers and has been for two decades.
Posted by: Black JEM
Virtually every product that is manufactured in China by US firms is pirated by those same Chinese manufacturers and has been for two decades.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 12, 2025 12:41 PM (+QQOL)
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The American medical system is about as far from a free market as you can get. It's so regulated I don't see any reason why an executive order like this would be out of line. It's basically another arm of the government.
Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at May 12, 2025 12:42 PM (ERYKL)
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138 Going to be really tough to convince investors to fund research pipelines if the golden goose of the US market is trimmed.
Ah well. Retirement is only 25 years away!
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 12:38 PM (WYStd)
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I've heard that pharma companies have secret miracle cures for everything that they only give to the rich.
Surely they could take these very real drugs and just sell them to make money, right?!
Right?!
Ah well. Retirement is only 25 years away!
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 12:38 PM (WYStd)
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I've heard that pharma companies have secret miracle cures for everything that they only give to the rich.
Surely they could take these very real drugs and just sell them to make money, right?!
Right?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:42 PM (GBKbO)
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Ivermectin? remember that "cure" for covid ?
Posted by: aliassmithsmith at May 12, 2025 12:37 PM (ItFTg)
It's still a proven successful prophylactic.
What's your point retard?
Posted by: aliassmithsmith at May 12, 2025 12:37 PM (ItFTg)
It's still a proven successful prophylactic.
What's your point retard?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:42 PM (VofaG)
171
Congress can pass an appropriate law, and President Trump can sign it. But giving more power to the regulatory state is a dumb idea.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at May 12, 2025 12:40 PM (L5An7)
Is it giving them more power or is it using the power they've already taken?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at May 12, 2025 12:40 PM (L5An7)
Is it giving them more power or is it using the power they've already taken?
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 12:42 PM (M/gGe)
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I graduated in 67 and when I put that album on the old Sears Silvertone stereo Pappy Eromero asked ‘what the hell is that noise?’
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I got that album for a Christmas present. I still have it.
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I got that album for a Christmas present. I still have it.
Posted by: Pudinhead at May 12, 2025 12:42 PM (n17eQ)
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I'm all out of tears for Pfizer.
How are you?
I am too. Pfizer has a lot to answer for.
I am doing well, Ace. Hope you are too! Thanks for keeping us informed during these crazy times.
How are you?
I am too. Pfizer has a lot to answer for.
I am doing well, Ace. Hope you are too! Thanks for keeping us informed during these crazy times.
Posted by: Emmie celebrates the Audacity of Trump! at May 12, 2025 12:42 PM (Sf2cq)
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What's so genius about Trump is that he is FINALLY not just explaining to Americans how they are being ripped offf and have been ripped off for decades by the globalist elites, but at the same moment he points out the rip-off--he also announces how he's going to fix it. Over and over again.
Posted by: zombie at May 12, 2025 12:43 PM (pMi6S)
175
I cracked the radiator on my dad's car when I hit a hubcap someone ahead of me lost. It was slowly rolling down the center of the lane on the NYS Thruway and >bang
That was a fun night. Some of my boys had to drive up from the city to rescue me. Then drive me back the next day to meet the tow truck.
That was a fun night. Some of my boys had to drive up from the city to rescue me. Then drive me back the next day to meet the tow truck.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2025 12:43 PM (RIvkX)
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LOl, Starmer all of a sudden is out of money. Maggie Thatcher was right...but you needed tariffs to drive the point ! It was so nice draining the US of Trillions...
Posted by: runner at May 12, 2025 12:43 PM (g47mK)
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So the solution is keep subsidiz g the rest do thr world? Fuck that.
Let the rest of the world chip on for the R&D. Why is that so revolutionary and horrible?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 12:40 PM (e4LaW)
Totally. I'm all for the rest of the world paying their fair share.
I am intrinsically against price controls on anything. I don't think it turns out well in the end....
The real solution to the drug price problem is the patent system for new drugs.
Let the rest of the world chip on for the R&D. Why is that so revolutionary and horrible?
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 12:40 PM (e4LaW)
Totally. I'm all for the rest of the world paying their fair share.
I am intrinsically against price controls on anything. I don't think it turns out well in the end....
The real solution to the drug price problem is the patent system for new drugs.
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 12:43 PM (WYStd)
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147 They also firmly believe conservatives only watch Fox News.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 12:39 PM (sYVcz)
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Because they themselves are addicted to cable news, and that's how they think everyone gets their news.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 12:39 PM (sYVcz)
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Because they themselves are addicted to cable news, and that's how they think everyone gets their news.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:43 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2025 12:43 PM (RIvkX)
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they are sponsoring entire shows
Posted by: Black Orchid at May 12, 2025 12:41 PM (Pv3Rg)
Industries, my dear. Industries.
Posted by: Black Orchid at May 12, 2025 12:41 PM (Pv3Rg)
Industries, my dear. Industries.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 12:43 PM (M/gGe)
181
Medicare and Medicaid are the looming cost disasters...not SS...
Posted by: Nova Local at May 12, 2025 12:31 PM (tOcjL)
Imagine if we could get the illegals off them.
Posted by: Nova Local at May 12, 2025 12:31 PM (tOcjL)
Imagine if we could get the illegals off them.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 12:43 PM (ExV1e)
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By the time it started throwing warnings, it was likely too late and I think the engine is toast.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer
Oh man, that's rough.
I had the engine on my car rebuilt once because I ran it when it was low on oil and the light didn't come on. Fortunately, I was able to work out a deal with the dealership in which they paid for the parts, and I only paid for the labor.
Otherwise, it would've cost be more than $11K.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer
Oh man, that's rough.
I had the engine on my car rebuilt once because I ran it when it was low on oil and the light didn't come on. Fortunately, I was able to work out a deal with the dealership in which they paid for the parts, and I only paid for the labor.
Otherwise, it would've cost be more than $11K.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 12:43 PM (77rzZ)
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Any idea how much total R&D occurs in America vs all of the other nations with more lax regulations?
Hard to imagine they wouldn't be having India, Ukraine, etc. doing the bulk of stuff since nobody really cares much what happens to anyone / anything in those countries.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Ho
US creates biotech start ups like no one's business, they don't have a good environment for them in India or Ukraine. There are IP reasons for it, and of course the payout when you make it past the hurdles.
Hard to imagine they wouldn't be having India, Ukraine, etc. doing the bulk of stuff since nobody really cares much what happens to anyone / anything in those countries.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Ho
US creates biotech start ups like no one's business, they don't have a good environment for them in India or Ukraine. There are IP reasons for it, and of course the payout when you make it past the hurdles.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 12, 2025 12:43 PM (D7oie)
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Congress can pass an appropriate law, and President Trump can sign it. But giving more power to the regulatory state is a dumb idea.
There was a report over the weekend the Congress has sent Trump fewer bills than any other President in history. They and the judges are just going to wait out the midterms and then impose full totalitarianism.
There was a report over the weekend the Congress has sent Trump fewer bills than any other President in history. They and the judges are just going to wait out the midterms and then impose full totalitarianism.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2025 12:43 PM (2ocoG)
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>>> I don't know what his claim of power is based on.
He's El Presidente. Like, all power of the executive flows through President.
VA, Medicare, etc. have negotiated rates for meds. Most like insurance companies do.
As usual, Trump goes extreme in his opening bid.
Drug companies can say "F-U, no drug for you!". But we know they sell below cost to most countries and Uncle Sugar covers the lost profit... So drug companies will go broke if they refuse to sell.
The only choice is to charge, at the lowest, cost plus some profit to evreryone.
He's El Presidente. Like, all power of the executive flows through President.
VA, Medicare, etc. have negotiated rates for meds. Most like insurance companies do.
As usual, Trump goes extreme in his opening bid.
Drug companies can say "F-U, no drug for you!". But we know they sell below cost to most countries and Uncle Sugar covers the lost profit... So drug companies will go broke if they refuse to sell.
The only choice is to charge, at the lowest, cost plus some profit to evreryone.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 12, 2025 12:43 PM (/lPRQ)
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Posted by: Splunge at May 12, 2025 12:35 PM (ju/6W)
This, along with withdrawing the EV mandate, is what I voted for (amongst many other non-car related things).
I have to keep reminding myself to turn off that feature in my Jeep, why can't I press the off button once and it stays off?
Why do I need another battery in my car to power a feature I don't want?
At least Jeep gives you a button, my dad's Cadillac had no way to turn off the feature at all.
This, along with withdrawing the EV mandate, is what I voted for (amongst many other non-car related things).
I have to keep reminding myself to turn off that feature in my Jeep, why can't I press the off button once and it stays off?
Why do I need another battery in my car to power a feature I don't want?
At least Jeep gives you a button, my dad's Cadillac had no way to turn off the feature at all.
Posted by: Iasonas at May 12, 2025 12:43 PM (gUzGB)
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Wasn't it the Moderna CEO or CFO who "retired" with a performance bonus of something like $926 MILLION dollars???
Wow! Had to look it up. Stephane Bancel, who became Moderna's CEO at the age of 39 (?!), does have a golden parachute that was worth that much when the stock was higher.
But he's only 52, hasn't retired, and is worth $4 billion. I think he'll be ok.
Wow! Had to look it up. Stephane Bancel, who became Moderna's CEO at the age of 39 (?!), does have a golden parachute that was worth that much when the stock was higher.
But he's only 52, hasn't retired, and is worth $4 billion. I think he'll be ok.
Posted by: t-bird at May 12, 2025 12:44 PM (YiWOf)
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Virtually every product that is manufactured in China by US firms is pirated by those same Chinese manufacturers and has been for two decades.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 12, 2025 12:41 PM (+QQOL)
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Yep - and now the price is finally being paid. Think we are going to let our "friends" do that?
Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 12, 2025 12:41 PM (+QQOL)
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Yep - and now the price is finally being paid. Think we are going to let our "friends" do that?
Posted by: Black JEM at May 12, 2025 12:44 PM (GZYu7)
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Oh man, that's rough.
I had the engine on my car rebuilt once because I ran it when it was low on oil and the light didn't come on. Fortunately, I was able to work out a deal with the dealership in which they paid for the parts, and I only paid for the labor.
Otherwise, it would've cost be more than $11K.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 12:43 PM (77rzZ)
I'm hoping that because it was an 'accident,' which it was, insurance will do something to rectify the situation.
I had the engine on my car rebuilt once because I ran it when it was low on oil and the light didn't come on. Fortunately, I was able to work out a deal with the dealership in which they paid for the parts, and I only paid for the labor.
Otherwise, it would've cost be more than $11K.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 12:43 PM (77rzZ)
I'm hoping that because it was an 'accident,' which it was, insurance will do something to rectify the situation.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:44 PM (Zz0t1)
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I had the engine on my car rebuilt once because I ran it when it was low on oil and the light didn't come on. Fortunately, I was able to work out a deal with the dealership in which they paid for the parts, and I only paid for the labor.
kid has a Tiguan. he knows to check the oil level himself periodically - they have a fun "losing oil' problem
kid has a Tiguan. he knows to check the oil level himself periodically - they have a fun "losing oil' problem
Posted by: Black Orchid at May 12, 2025 12:45 PM (Pv3Rg)
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I've heard that pharma companies have secret miracle cures for everything that they only give to the rich.
Surely they could take these very real drugs and just sell them to make money, right?!
Right?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:42 PM (GBKbO)
If there are such miracle drugs, I haven't worked on their protocols. Thats for sure.
In all honesty, these GLP-1's seem to be the closest we've had in a long time to a "miracle drug" but even they aren't perfect.
Because nothing is perfect that isn't designed by the divine.
Surely they could take these very real drugs and just sell them to make money, right?!
Right?!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:42 PM (GBKbO)
If there are such miracle drugs, I haven't worked on their protocols. Thats for sure.
In all honesty, these GLP-1's seem to be the closest we've had in a long time to a "miracle drug" but even they aren't perfect.
Because nothing is perfect that isn't designed by the divine.
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 12:45 PM (WYStd)
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So, goodbye new drugs?
Posted by: toby928 at May 12, 2025 12:45 PM (GlekL)
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If these companies are forced to lower prices in America, how are they going to pay for the bioweapons?
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 12:45 PM (M/gGe)
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Going to be really tough to convince investors to fund research pipelines if the golden goose of the US market is trimmed.
Ah well. Retirement is only 25 years away!
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 12:38 PM (WYStd)
I think the whole thing has gone off the rails, but I don't know how to fix it.
All I know is, Americans are hooked on drugs. Damn near all of us. We can look down our noses and heroin and meth users, but we're all in the same boat. Chemically speaking.
Ah well. Retirement is only 25 years away!
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 12:38 PM (WYStd)
I think the whole thing has gone off the rails, but I don't know how to fix it.
All I know is, Americans are hooked on drugs. Damn near all of us. We can look down our noses and heroin and meth users, but we're all in the same boat. Chemically speaking.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2025 12:45 PM (Kxh5T)
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135 Establishment conventional wisdom: Absolutely nothing can be done about this long-standing and pernicious problem.
*Trump does something about it*
Establishment: REEE WE SAID NOTHING COULD BE DONE AND THIS IS THE WRONG THING YOU PEOPLE HAVE DOOMED US
Every. Time.
Posted by: William F. 'Buck' Dharma
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One of the problems with democracies is they collect interest groups like barnacles on a ship hull. Over time, the barnacles keep slowing and slowing the ship until it is no longer able to maneuver. So it is with democracies--they get to the point that interest groups prevent any movement of the ship of state. Trump, for better or worse, is essentially trying to scrape the barnacles off the hull of the US United States and getting damn little help to do it and plenty of criticism from the sidewalk supervisors of Congress and the Courts.
*Trump does something about it*
Establishment: REEE WE SAID NOTHING COULD BE DONE AND THIS IS THE WRONG THING YOU PEOPLE HAVE DOOMED US
Every. Time.
Posted by: William F. 'Buck' Dharma
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One of the problems with democracies is they collect interest groups like barnacles on a ship hull. Over time, the barnacles keep slowing and slowing the ship until it is no longer able to maneuver. So it is with democracies--they get to the point that interest groups prevent any movement of the ship of state. Trump, for better or worse, is essentially trying to scrape the barnacles off the hull of the US United States and getting damn little help to do it and plenty of criticism from the sidewalk supervisors of Congress and the Courts.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2025 12:45 PM (ctrM5)
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! How does this differ from the EPA demanding that farmers treat puddles as inland waterways? Or redefining CO2 as a poison?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises)
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We elected the president, we didn't hire those bureaucrats.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises)
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We elected the president, we didn't hire those bureaucrats.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 12, 2025 12:45 PM (kYTDp)
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184 There was a report over the weekend the Congress has sent Trump fewer bills than any other President in history. They and the judges are just going to wait out the midterms and then impose full totalitarianism.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2025 12:43 PM (2ocoG)
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I will never, ever be moved by the "number of bills" metric.
It's dumb.
No, this Congress is not good, but dear lord, come up with a better metric. Most bills passed end up like, "Declaration that 3/11 is National obscure pastry day," or something.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2025 12:43 PM (2ocoG)
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I will never, ever be moved by the "number of bills" metric.
It's dumb.
No, this Congress is not good, but dear lord, come up with a better metric. Most bills passed end up like, "Declaration that 3/11 is National obscure pastry day," or something.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:45 PM (GBKbO)
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On research, the US funds a TON of the R&D research for meds through the American taxpayer and grants from fed gov...so I don't feel TOO bad for big pharma now having to not double benefit on claiming they spent so much on research and that research was stuff that Stanford/John Hopkins/DARPA etc actually did...
Posted by: Nova Local at May 12, 2025 12:46 PM (tOcjL)
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168 The American medical system is about as far from a free market as you can get. It's so regulated I don't see any reason why an executive order like this would be out of line. It's basically another arm of the government.
Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at May 12, 2025 12:42 PM (ERYKL)
Agreed. This was one of the most frustrating parts about the Obamacare debate -- "we can't pass Obamacare, that's socialism! We should be able to trade chicken eggs for medical services!"
Yeah, but in the real world, the government already controls our health system nearly completely, and it is a horrific, corrupt, inefficient mess. And, of course, all of the "fixes" from Obamacare to "Medicaid for all" to whatever else are just going to make it more corrupt, inefficient and horrific.
Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at May 12, 2025 12:42 PM (ERYKL)
Agreed. This was one of the most frustrating parts about the Obamacare debate -- "we can't pass Obamacare, that's socialism! We should be able to trade chicken eggs for medical services!"
Yeah, but in the real world, the government already controls our health system nearly completely, and it is a horrific, corrupt, inefficient mess. And, of course, all of the "fixes" from Obamacare to "Medicaid for all" to whatever else are just going to make it more corrupt, inefficient and horrific.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 12, 2025 12:46 PM (uCjyK)
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I repeat my demand that Trump compel the return of the tan M&M.
Posted by: Paco at May 12, 2025 12:46 PM (mADJX)
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we're doing it by being made to take drugs we DON'T NEED, some of which are dangerous, and paying out the ass for the privilege
I don't have one prescription med, not a one
I got a divorce from Big Pharma a long time ago because they are a big fat FACCIABRUTTA
I don't have one prescription med, not a one
I got a divorce from Big Pharma a long time ago because they are a big fat FACCIABRUTTA
Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2025 12:46 PM (dCxaZ)
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Big losers here? The failing "national heath" systems in other countries, which since WWII have been propped up by the US, as we finance their drugs, and pick up their nation's defense expenses allowing them to afford socialized medicine. Now, after this move, drug companies will have to raise their baseline lowest prices on all drugs, to compensate for not getting ultra-high prices out of Americans--so all the other nations will end up paying more for their formerly cheap drugs. And yes, finally, we will stop subsidizing THEIR socialism. Choke on this, grifters!
Posted by: zombie at May 12, 2025 12:46 PM (pMi6S)
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Governing by executive order is just not gud.
That's not how any of this is supposed to work.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2025 12:22 PM (RIvkX)
The analysis I read is that Trump's cabinet is set up for executive actions, and with those successes to push the mid-terms, then they will move to legislative based reforms.
Relying on a 2 vote majority does not guarantee success.
That's not how any of this is supposed to work.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2025 12:22 PM (RIvkX)
The analysis I read is that Trump's cabinet is set up for executive actions, and with those successes to push the mid-terms, then they will move to legislative based reforms.
Relying on a 2 vote majority does not guarantee success.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 12, 2025 12:46 PM (D7oie)
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I just can't wait for the people pushing for student loan debt forgiveness to begin screaming about how this makes Orange Man Bad.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at May 12, 2025 12:46 PM (wtvvX)
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Aren't something like 60%+ Americans on some sort of prescription med, for either physical, mental, or both issues?
The US is an open-air outpatient ward.
The US is an open-air outpatient ward.
Posted by: Iasonas at May 12, 2025 12:47 PM (gUzGB)
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191 If there are such miracle drugs, I haven't worked on their protocols. Thats for sure.
In all honesty, these GLP-1's seem to be the closest we've had in a long time to a "miracle drug" but even they aren't perfect.
Because nothing is perfect that isn't designed by the divine.
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 12:45 PM (WYStd)
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It's just been an accepted truth by many on the left that Big Pharma has secret, miracle drugs that they only give to the rich and powerful for a long time.
I've never understood the logic of hiding them, though.
In all honesty, these GLP-1's seem to be the closest we've had in a long time to a "miracle drug" but even they aren't perfect.
Because nothing is perfect that isn't designed by the divine.
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 12:45 PM (WYStd)
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It's just been an accepted truth by many on the left that Big Pharma has secret, miracle drugs that they only give to the rich and powerful for a long time.
I've never understood the logic of hiding them, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:47 PM (GBKbO)
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So, goodbye new drugs?
Posted by: toby928 at May 12, 2025 12:45 PM (GlekL)
Imagine a world, where all the old drugs that worked just fine, will be allowed to stay on the market, and not disappear when a "new" formula is ready to replace the one that has a patent about to run out.
We might actually be less sick, because we can take our old drugs, and still afford to buy eggs and bacon.
Posted by: toby928 at May 12, 2025 12:45 PM (GlekL)
Imagine a world, where all the old drugs that worked just fine, will be allowed to stay on the market, and not disappear when a "new" formula is ready to replace the one that has a patent about to run out.
We might actually be less sick, because we can take our old drugs, and still afford to buy eggs and bacon.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2025 12:47 PM (Kxh5T)
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I'm not sure what deal Trump got from China to lower their tariffs, but all I heard was Xi (CCP) agreed to reduce the fentanyl flow to the USA. So they made an "agreement" to stop killing so many Americans ... which they will probably keep doing.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 12, 2025 12:33 PM (Cus5s)
I've heard rumors about growing unrest in Chynah. If true, I suspect that had a lot to do with it.
Posted by: illiniwek at May 12, 2025 12:33 PM (Cus5s)
I've heard rumors about growing unrest in Chynah. If true, I suspect that had a lot to do with it.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 12:47 PM (ExV1e)
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Our state has legalized OTC ivermectin. It will be available this summer.
This is great protection for the next pandemic that Fauci has been "predicting" (like in 2017 he "predicted" a pandemic during Trump's first term).
It's helpful for more than just coronaviruses.
This is great protection for the next pandemic that Fauci has been "predicting" (like in 2017 he "predicted" a pandemic during Trump's first term).
It's helpful for more than just coronaviruses.
Posted by: Emmie celebrates the Audacity of Trump! at May 12, 2025 12:47 PM (Sf2cq)
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Chemically speaking.
Posted by: BurtTC
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Chemically speaking, the drugs I take keep me alive. Those other drugs kill.
Posted by: BurtTC
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Chemically speaking, the drugs I take keep me alive. Those other drugs kill.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 12, 2025 12:47 PM (kYTDp)
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192 So, goodbye new drugs?
Posted by: toby928
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Overstatement. Change is a pain in the butt but this one was a long time coming and was inevitable. Big Pharma has had warning that this was going to end for a long time as charging US customers and insurance many multiples of what the drug sells for in other places is not sustainable.
The Dems would simply nationalize Big Pharma which would be worse.
Posted by: toby928
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Overstatement. Change is a pain in the butt but this one was a long time coming and was inevitable. Big Pharma has had warning that this was going to end for a long time as charging US customers and insurance many multiples of what the drug sells for in other places is not sustainable.
The Dems would simply nationalize Big Pharma which would be worse.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2025 12:47 PM (ctrM5)
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Gonna be fun to watch Dems spin this as a bad thing for seniors.
Also the next NR op-Ed will be Why Cheaper drugs for Americans is a communist plot by Trump
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Am I mis-remembering but wasn't a big pitch for ObamaCare that they were going to lower drug costs, often citing the unfairness of the same drug being cheaper in other countries?
It really will be amazing, seeing all the Dems claim lower drug cost for Americans, on par with the 1st world, will suddenly be evil, wrong and will let Russia win.
Also the next NR op-Ed will be Why Cheaper drugs for Americans is a communist plot by Trump
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Am I mis-remembering but wasn't a big pitch for ObamaCare that they were going to lower drug costs, often citing the unfairness of the same drug being cheaper in other countries?
It really will be amazing, seeing all the Dems claim lower drug cost for Americans, on par with the 1st world, will suddenly be evil, wrong and will let Russia win.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 12:47 PM (sYVcz)
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Any idea how much total R&D occurs in America vs all of the other nations with more lax regulations?
Hard to imagine they wouldn't be having India, Ukraine, etc. doing the bulk of stuff since nobody really cares much what happens to anyone / anything in those countries.
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US creates biotech start ups like no one's business, they don't have a good environment for them in India or Ukraine. There are IP reasons for it, and of course the payout when you make it past the hurdles.
Posted by: Kindltot
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Yes, that's my question. Similar to the Ipad.
"designed in California"
Send it to the other countries, especially the ones like India where the Super Geniuses live.
Hard to imagine they wouldn't be having India, Ukraine, etc. doing the bulk of stuff since nobody really cares much what happens to anyone / anything in those countries.
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US creates biotech start ups like no one's business, they don't have a good environment for them in India or Ukraine. There are IP reasons for it, and of course the payout when you make it past the hurdles.
Posted by: Kindltot
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Yes, that's my question. Similar to the Ipad.
"designed in California"
Send it to the other countries, especially the ones like India where the Super Geniuses live.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - How much did you pay for that blood you donated for free? at May 12, 2025 12:48 PM (SHl2J)
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It's just been an accepted truth by many on the left that Big Pharma has secret, miracle drugs that they only give to the rich and powerful for a long time.
I've never understood the logic of hiding them, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:47 PM (GBKbO)
Pharmaceutical companies don't get rich on cures.
They get rich on symptom relief.
I've never understood the logic of hiding them, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:47 PM (GBKbO)
Pharmaceutical companies don't get rich on cures.
They get rich on symptom relief.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2025 12:48 PM (Kxh5T)
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203 The analysis I read is that Trump's cabinet is set up for executive actions, and with those successes to push the mid-terms, then they will move to legislative based reforms.
Relying on a 2 vote majority does not guarantee success.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 12, 2025 12:46 PM (D7oie)
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Most of the bills people want, repeals and rescissions, become easier after the 25/26 budget is passed.
It's still not passed, though. I was informed that Easter was the goal. Easter was a few weeks ago.
Maybe they meant the end of Easter season? So Pentecost? Fingers crossed!
Relying on a 2 vote majority does not guarantee success.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 12, 2025 12:46 PM (D7oie)
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Most of the bills people want, repeals and rescissions, become easier after the 25/26 budget is passed.
It's still not passed, though. I was informed that Easter was the goal. Easter was a few weeks ago.
Maybe they meant the end of Easter season? So Pentecost? Fingers crossed!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:48 PM (GBKbO)
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123 I am thrilled that EPA head Lee Zeldin says he's going to get rid of the requirements that got us that horrible "my truck shuts down the engine at stoplights" feature.
My truck is 21 years old, but I refuse to replace it with a pre-broken truck with that hostile feature.
Posted by: Splunge at May 12, 2025 12:35 PM (ju/6W)
If you have a truck or SUV that has a trailer hitch, you can disable the auto start-stop by putting a wiring test plug into the 4-pole connector on most vehicles. It makes it think that there's a trailer attached and won't turn it off.
On my wife's new Land Rover, there's a company that sells a bluetooth OBD2 device that you use to turn that off, along with enabling all of the features that are software disabled from the factory - like adaptive cruise and Dynamic driving mode.
My truck is 21 years old, but I refuse to replace it with a pre-broken truck with that hostile feature.
Posted by: Splunge at May 12, 2025 12:35 PM (ju/6W)
If you have a truck or SUV that has a trailer hitch, you can disable the auto start-stop by putting a wiring test plug into the 4-pole connector on most vehicles. It makes it think that there's a trailer attached and won't turn it off.
On my wife's new Land Rover, there's a company that sells a bluetooth OBD2 device that you use to turn that off, along with enabling all of the features that are software disabled from the factory - like adaptive cruise and Dynamic driving mode.
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 12:48 PM (WYStd)
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209 Our state has legalized OTC ivermectin. It will be available this summer.
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It's helpful for more than just coronaviruses.
Posted by: Emmie celebrates the Audacity of Trump!
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It's helpful for many things.
Does happy dance for Emmie.
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It's helpful for more than just coronaviruses.
Posted by: Emmie celebrates the Audacity of Trump!
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It's helpful for many things.
Does happy dance for Emmie.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (kYTDp)
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190 I had the engine on my car rebuilt once because I ran it when it was low on oil and the light didn't come on. Fortunately, I was able to work out a deal with the dealership in which they paid for the parts, and I only paid for the labor.
kid has a Tiguan. he knows to check the oil level himself periodically - they have a fun "losing oil' problem
Posted by: Black Orchid at May 12, 2025 12:45 PM (Pv3Rg
F150 5.0 loses a quart every 5-600 miles. No leaks, no smoke, etc. It just disappears, has 60k miles on it.
kid has a Tiguan. he knows to check the oil level himself periodically - they have a fun "losing oil' problem
Posted by: Black Orchid at May 12, 2025 12:45 PM (Pv3Rg
F150 5.0 loses a quart every 5-600 miles. No leaks, no smoke, etc. It just disappears, has 60k miles on it.
Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (r51hs)
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VOTE VANCE!
Posted by: Sid eats scat at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (rGujd)
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I'll add that healthcare has already been socialized for a long time. Generally started when patients removed themselves from the costs of even minor care in favor of a third party (insurance...) payer.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (aYmFI)
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I've never understood the logic of hiding them, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:47 PM (GBKbO)
I've always figured there was something mundanely Faustian about it.
"Miracle Drugs" that could make a smoke brisket moo again, but will shitcan your kidneys within ten years no matter what you do. Or something like that.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:47 PM (GBKbO)
I've always figured there was something mundanely Faustian about it.
"Miracle Drugs" that could make a smoke brisket moo again, but will shitcan your kidneys within ten years no matter what you do. Or something like that.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (VoAdT)
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Posted by: Emmie celebrates the Audacity of Trump! at May 12, 2025 12:47 PM (Sf2cq)
what state are you in?
what state are you in?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (VofaG)
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"Unrest in China"...hahahahah!!! Tiananmen Square 2. and no more unrest.
Posted by: runner at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (g47mK)
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Send it to the other countries, especially the ones like India where the Super Geniuses live.
"DO NOT REDEEM!"
"DO NOT REDEEM!"
Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (2ocoG)
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I've worked in pharma for 23 years now.
This could be catastrophic for a lot of drug companies - most of them actually. Most of the revenue from drug sales is from right here in the US due to price controls in other countries.
Going to be really tough to convince investors to fund research pipelines if the golden goose of the US market is trimmed.
Ah well. Retirement is only 25 years away!
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 12:38 PM (WYStd)
*sobs*
Just kidding.
This could be catastrophic for a lot of drug companies - most of them actually. Most of the revenue from drug sales is from right here in the US due to price controls in other countries.
Going to be really tough to convince investors to fund research pipelines if the golden goose of the US market is trimmed.
Ah well. Retirement is only 25 years away!
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 12:38 PM (WYStd)
*sobs*
Just kidding.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (i24o9)
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Those other drugs kill.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 12, 2025 12:47 PM (kYTDp)
Only when you take too much. Which your drugs will do too.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 12, 2025 12:47 PM (kYTDp)
Only when you take too much. Which your drugs will do too.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (Kxh5T)
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F150 5.0 loses a quart every 5-600 miles. No leaks, no smoke, etc. It just disappears, has 60k miles on it.
Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (r51hs)
Hope it's not going into the cooling system.
Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (r51hs)
Hope it's not going into the cooling system.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:50 PM (Zz0t1)
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It's just been an accepted truth by many on the left that Big Pharma has secret, miracle drugs that they only give to the rich and powerful for a long time.
I've never understood the logic of hiding them, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:47 PM (GBKbO)
You don't understand why the Depopulation Brigade would hide treatments while profiting through virtual theft in 300 other ways including try after try of disease "maintenance"?
I've never understood the logic of hiding them, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:47 PM (GBKbO)
You don't understand why the Depopulation Brigade would hide treatments while profiting through virtual theft in 300 other ways including try after try of disease "maintenance"?
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 12:50 PM (M/gGe)
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Whenever I see that one ad at Insty, I always wonder in what world large wolves visit beaches? I can't imagine any terrain where wolf habitats intersect beaches?
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Cougars often attack on beaches.
In bars.
Nightclubs.
Be safe out there.
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Cougars often attack on beaches.
In bars.
Nightclubs.
Be safe out there.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 12:50 PM (sYVcz)
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It's just been an accepted truth by many on the left that Big Pharma has secret, miracle drugs that they only give to the rich and powerful for a long time.
yes and one of them extended the life of Jimmah Carter
and god only knows how many of those decrepit demonrat fossils
teh Bidet would NEVER have lasted as long as he did if he wasn't being pumped up with some special sauce goosey juice that is unavailable to the mere peons
yes and one of them extended the life of Jimmah Carter
and god only knows how many of those decrepit demonrat fossils
teh Bidet would NEVER have lasted as long as he did if he wasn't being pumped up with some special sauce goosey juice that is unavailable to the mere peons
Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2025 12:50 PM (dCxaZ)
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The American people paid for that shitshow of a covid Vaccine, that multi billion dollar company owes us.
Posted by: Seems Legit at May 12, 2025 12:50 PM (PMtkd)
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"Miracle Drugs" that could make a smoke brisket moo again, but will shitcan your kidneys within ten years no matter what you do. Or something like that.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (VoAdT)
Id take that drug if I was 85.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (VoAdT)
Id take that drug if I was 85.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:50 PM (VofaG)
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Posted by: Sid at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (rGujd)
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"American healthcare is awful."
*Trump tries to bring American pharma costs in line with socialized medicine*
"Shortages of medicine are coming!"
-same people
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"American healthcare is awful."
*Trump tries to bring American pharma costs in line with socialized medicine*
"Shortages of medicine are coming!"
-same people
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:50 PM (GBKbO)
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what state are you in?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (VofaG)
It's a trap!!
what state are you in?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (VofaG)
It's a trap!!
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 12:50 PM (M/gGe)
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Totalitarian systems - China, Iran are not that concerned about "civil unrest".
Posted by: runner at May 12, 2025 12:50 PM (g47mK)
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This could be catastrophic for a lot of drug companies - most of them actually. Most of the revenue from drug sales is from right here in the US due to price controls in other countries.
Raping the US to cater to the communist state of other countries isn't really the best plan of attack, anymore.
This could be catastrophic for a lot of drug companies - most of them actually. Most of the revenue from drug sales is from right here in the US due to price controls in other countries.
Raping the US to cater to the communist state of other countries isn't really the best plan of attack, anymore.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:51 PM (Zz0t1)
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Big Pharma can suck my balls. When was the last time any of them actually developed a drug that wasn't a pointless mildly-revamped version of an earlier drug that went off patent? Serious question.
What actual drug development does Pharma do any more?
The only true advances in pharma that I'm aware of have been for faggots with HIV, and that was only after 40+ years of shoveling 100s of billions of taxpayer money at them.
What actual drug development does Pharma do any more?
The only true advances in pharma that I'm aware of have been for faggots with HIV, and that was only after 40+ years of shoveling 100s of billions of taxpayer money at them.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 12, 2025 12:51 PM (iFTx/)
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Has there ever been a study on the actual real world long term effectiveness of pharmaceuticals?
Here is one on the effectiveness of treatments for depression. Let’s just say the results are less than stellar.
https://tinyurl.com/4ddrkbwu
Here is one on the effectiveness of treatments for depression. Let’s just say the results are less than stellar.
https://tinyurl.com/4ddrkbwu
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at May 12, 2025 12:51 PM (pSOPY)
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F150 5.0 loses a quart every 5-600 miles. No leaks, no smoke, etc. It just disappears, has 60k miles on it.
Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (r51hs)
Oil gnomes, in cahoots with the dryer socks gnomes, under the direction of Big Penguin.
Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (r51hs)
Oil gnomes, in cahoots with the dryer socks gnomes, under the direction of Big Penguin.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 12, 2025 12:51 PM (i24o9)
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It's just been an accepted truth by many on the left that Big Pharma has secret, miracle drugs that they only give to the rich and powerful for a long time.
I've never understood the logic of hiding them, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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What Big Pharma actually hides is quite awful protocols for their testing of their own drugs.
That is why we only find out in hindsight how awful some of them actually are. Cox inhibitors, Oxycontin, the Vaxx, etc are all classic cases where the companies fudged results and hid adverse reactions. Whether it is efficacy, adverse reactions, minimal improvement over old drugs, etc. Pharma has repeatedly lied to the regulators and the American public.
I've never understood the logic of hiding them, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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What Big Pharma actually hides is quite awful protocols for their testing of their own drugs.
That is why we only find out in hindsight how awful some of them actually are. Cox inhibitors, Oxycontin, the Vaxx, etc are all classic cases where the companies fudged results and hid adverse reactions. Whether it is efficacy, adverse reactions, minimal improvement over old drugs, etc. Pharma has repeatedly lied to the regulators and the American public.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2025 12:51 PM (ctrM5)
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Most of the bills people want, repeals and rescissions, become easier after the 25/26 budget is passed.
It's still not passed, though. I was informed that Easter was the goal. Easter was a few weeks ago.
Maybe they meant the end of Easter season? So Pentecost? Fingers crossed!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:48 PM (GBKbO)
Memorial Day has always been the House goal...on Trump's desk for the July 4th holiday is the final bill goal...
It's still not passed, though. I was informed that Easter was the goal. Easter was a few weeks ago.
Maybe they meant the end of Easter season? So Pentecost? Fingers crossed!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:48 PM (GBKbO)
Memorial Day has always been the House goal...on Trump's desk for the July 4th holiday is the final bill goal...
Posted by: Nova Local at May 12, 2025 12:51 PM (tOcjL)
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"Unrest in China"...hahahahah!!! Tiananmen Square 2. and no more unrest.
They do have the slight problem now of tens of millions of military-aged men with no chance of dating and now no jobs. Tianamen Square 2 would likely be bad for the CCP.
They do have the slight problem now of tens of millions of military-aged men with no chance of dating and now no jobs. Tianamen Square 2 would likely be bad for the CCP.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2025 12:51 PM (2ocoG)
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:51 PM (Zz0t1)
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230 yes and one of them extended the life of Jimmah Carter
and god only knows how many of those decrepit demonrat fossils
teh Bidet would NEVER have lasted as long as he did if he wasn't being pumped up with some special sauce goosey juice that is unavailable to the mere peons
Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2025 12:50 PM (dCxaZ)
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My wife's grandmother has been in hospice for 2+ years, sneezed so hard she broke her back 7 years ago, and just keeps on chuggin'.
and god only knows how many of those decrepit demonrat fossils
teh Bidet would NEVER have lasted as long as he did if he wasn't being pumped up with some special sauce goosey juice that is unavailable to the mere peons
Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2025 12:50 PM (dCxaZ)
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My wife's grandmother has been in hospice for 2+ years, sneezed so hard she broke her back 7 years ago, and just keeps on chuggin'.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:51 PM (GBKbO)
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Pharmaceutical companies don't get rich on cures.
They get rich on symptom relief.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2025 12:48 PM (Kxh5T)
ding ding ding ding ding
They get rich on symptom relief.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2025 12:48 PM (Kxh5T)
ding ding ding ding ding
Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2025 12:52 PM (dCxaZ)
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Innit funny how the Left always fully comprehends "unintended consequences" when it isn't their idea being implemented?
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 12:52 PM (M/gGe)
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It's just been an accepted truth by many on the left that Big Pharma has secret, miracle drugs that they only give to the rich and powerful for a long time.
I've never understood the logic of hiding them, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:47 PM (GBKbO)
I don't actually think those miracle drugs exist, but the logic of hiding them is simple.
Big Pharma makes money from people taking drugs. Preferably a life long daily prescription. Or multiple life long daily prescriptions.
If a "cure" for something came along, that would mean they would be able to sell a person a pill or injection or whatever once or twice, but would lose the reoccurring run rate income of the people that take multiple daily drugs for their entire lives.
I've never understood the logic of hiding them, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:47 PM (GBKbO)
I don't actually think those miracle drugs exist, but the logic of hiding them is simple.
Big Pharma makes money from people taking drugs. Preferably a life long daily prescription. Or multiple life long daily prescriptions.
If a "cure" for something came along, that would mean they would be able to sell a person a pill or injection or whatever once or twice, but would lose the reoccurring run rate income of the people that take multiple daily drugs for their entire lives.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 12, 2025 12:52 PM (uCjyK)
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We can't possibly threaten the ability for big pharma to innovate and invest.
Because if we did, they might not put the effort in to come up with cures for cancer, diabetes, dementia, heart disease...
Oh wait...
Because if we did, they might not put the effort in to come up with cures for cancer, diabetes, dementia, heart disease...
Oh wait...
Posted by: Iasonas at May 12, 2025 12:52 PM (gUzGB)
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Is it giving them more power or is it using the power they've already taken?
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 12:42 PM (M/gGe)
Seems rather apparent to me, Trump's using power the same way Biden's autopen did, except now there are judges who are clipping his balls every time he does it.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 12:42 PM (M/gGe)
Seems rather apparent to me, Trump's using power the same way Biden's autopen did, except now there are judges who are clipping his balls every time he does it.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2025 12:53 PM (Kxh5T)
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The only true advances in pharma that I'm aware of have been for faggots with HIV, and that was only after 40+ years of shoveling 100s of billions of taxpayer money at them.
My understanding there is that they had an effective treatment in mind pretty early on and Fauci ordered them to look into other things instead because he is The Science.
My understanding there is that they had an effective treatment in mind pretty early on and Fauci ordered them to look into other things instead because he is The Science.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2025 12:53 PM (2ocoG)
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217 209 Our state has legalized OTC ivermectin. It will be available this summer.
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It's helpful for more than just coronaviruses.
Posted by: Emmie celebrates the Audacity of Trump!
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Emmie, what state are you in?
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It's helpful for more than just coronaviruses.
Posted by: Emmie celebrates the Audacity of Trump!
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Emmie, what state are you in?
Posted by: Pudinhead at May 12, 2025 12:53 PM (n17eQ)
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What actual drug development does Pharma do any more?
The only true advances in pharma that I'm aware of have been for faggots with HIV, and that was only after 40+ years of shoveling 100s of billions of taxpayer money at them.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 12, 2025 12:51 PM (iFTx/)
Immunotherapy is the current big one...but I believe much of the research was done by grant, so pharma didn't have to finance it.
It has been a revolution in cancer treatment, and letting sufferers be WAY more functional while living longer (I'm currently proof of that)...
What actual drug development does Pharma do any more?
The only true advances in pharma that I'm aware of have been for faggots with HIV, and that was only after 40+ years of shoveling 100s of billions of taxpayer money at them.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 12, 2025 12:51 PM (iFTx/)
Immunotherapy is the current big one...but I believe much of the research was done by grant, so pharma didn't have to finance it.
It has been a revolution in cancer treatment, and letting sufferers be WAY more functional while living longer (I'm currently proof of that)...
Posted by: Nova Local at May 12, 2025 12:53 PM (tOcjL)
Posted by: Who isn't at May 12, 2025 12:53 PM (4Lxlt)
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Most bills passed end up like, "Declaration that 3/11 is National obscure pastry day," or something.
Are you dissing National Obscure Pastry Day?
Or as I like to call it, Daily National Pastry Hour?
Are you dissing National Obscure Pastry Day?
Or as I like to call it, Daily National Pastry Hour?
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 12, 2025 12:53 PM (EXyHK)
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205 Aren't something like 60%+ Americans on some sort of prescription med, for either physical, mental, or both issues?
The US is an open-air outpatient ward.
Posted by: Iasonas at May 12, 2025 12:47 PM (gUzGB
The only prescription I'm on is one to manage the damage of a mass involuntary drug program. Excess fluoride used to be one of the meds they would give to slow down an overactive thyroid. It can also slow normal thyroid function. Yay, nanny state.
The US is an open-air outpatient ward.
Posted by: Iasonas at May 12, 2025 12:47 PM (gUzGB
The only prescription I'm on is one to manage the damage of a mass involuntary drug program. Excess fluoride used to be one of the meds they would give to slow down an overactive thyroid. It can also slow normal thyroid function. Yay, nanny state.
Posted by: Emmie celebrates the Audacity of Trump! at May 12, 2025 12:53 PM (Sf2cq)
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Socialized medicine countries control what drugs can be prescribed, they probably don't approve new drugs until the drug has been on the market for a few years in the U.S. So GSK and the like can still make bank on their new drugs that they don't even sell in Europe, but they will be hindered from overcharging us for the 10-20 year old drugs.
I still try to use herbs, horse wormer, etc. when I can. The rational side of my brain knows that our medical system is still good for a lot of things, especially cancer treatment, and trauma care. But unless I need an x-ray or something the subconscious side wins after the covid response. Before 2020 my rational side won way more often.
I still try to use herbs, horse wormer, etc. when I can. The rational side of my brain knows that our medical system is still good for a lot of things, especially cancer treatment, and trauma care. But unless I need an x-ray or something the subconscious side wins after the covid response. Before 2020 my rational side won way more often.
Posted by: PaleRider at May 12, 2025 12:53 PM (bP/i4)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:54 PM (VofaG)
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Big losers here? The failing "national heath" systems in other countries, which since WWII have been propped up by the US, as we finance their drugs, and pick up their nation's defense expenses allowing them to afford socialized medicine. Now, after this move, drug companies will have to raise their baseline lowest prices on all drugs, to compensate for not getting ultra-high prices out of Americans--so all the other nations will end up paying more for their formerly cheap drugs. And yes, finally, we will stop subsidizing THEIR socialism. Choke on this, grifters!
Posted by: zombie
Perfectly stated.
Posted by: zombie
Perfectly stated.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 12, 2025 12:54 PM (V/3vL)
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What actual drug development does Pharma do any more?
I will tell you this, from sad experience.
One of my loved ones suffers from serious mental illness, and there has been development that is a little short of miraculous in treating chronic serious disease.
the trick is in getting the afflicted to take the meds
I will tell you this, from sad experience.
One of my loved ones suffers from serious mental illness, and there has been development that is a little short of miraculous in treating chronic serious disease.
the trick is in getting the afflicted to take the meds
Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2025 12:54 PM (dCxaZ)
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I'm hooked on phonics. And drugs. But mostly phonics.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 12:54 PM (aYmFI)
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The US pharma industry basically has unlimited money.
And what do they do with that?
Cure cancer or collude with the government to rig an election?
And what do they do with that?
Cure cancer or collude with the government to rig an election?
Posted by: Iasonas at May 12, 2025 12:54 PM (gUzGB)
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Hope it's not going into the cooling system.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:50 PM (Zz0t1)
It's typically the other way around, and you'll get the brown foamy residue in the oil cap as an indicator. My guess is - other than gnomes - the engine is burning it, unless you can find a leak to atmosphere. You may see a cat failure soon if that is the case as the catalyst gets clogged with oil combustion products.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 12:50 PM (Zz0t1)
It's typically the other way around, and you'll get the brown foamy residue in the oil cap as an indicator. My guess is - other than gnomes - the engine is burning it, unless you can find a leak to atmosphere. You may see a cat failure soon if that is the case as the catalyst gets clogged with oil combustion products.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 12, 2025 12:54 PM (i24o9)
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I know its all well and good to vilify the pharma industry - and we deserve it to a certain extent.
But your idea that we could pull off this whole "secret sauce for rich people" is made up of looney land nonsense quite honestly.
Just like every other industry, we've had a significant brain drain of people who "know how sh*t works* ... which leads us to hire essentially warm bodies just to fill seats. The level of ineptitude is staggering.
No. We couldn't possibly hide anything from the public like what this accusation assumes. We're not smart enough to do it.
But your idea that we could pull off this whole "secret sauce for rich people" is made up of looney land nonsense quite honestly.
Just like every other industry, we've had a significant brain drain of people who "know how sh*t works* ... which leads us to hire essentially warm bodies just to fill seats. The level of ineptitude is staggering.
No. We couldn't possibly hide anything from the public like what this accusation assumes. We're not smart enough to do it.
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 12:54 PM (WYStd)
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Emmie, what state are you in?
Posted by: Pudinhead at May 12, 2025 12:53 PM (n17eQ)
Arkansas, where we have the best governor. :-)
Posted by: Pudinhead at May 12, 2025 12:53 PM (n17eQ)
Arkansas, where we have the best governor. :-)
Posted by: Emmie celebrates the Audacity of Trump! at May 12, 2025 12:55 PM (Sf2cq)
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My understanding there is that they had an effective treatment in mind pretty early on and Fauci ordered them to look into other things instead because he is The Science.
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DARPA's Risk Management was literally take Ivermectin, Vitamins C and D and protect the elderly and obese from infection. Our betters purposely did the opposite.
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DARPA's Risk Management was literally take Ivermectin, Vitamins C and D and protect the elderly and obese from infection. Our betters purposely did the opposite.
Posted by: Pudinhead at May 12, 2025 12:55 PM (n17eQ)
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Where Is Andycanuck?
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing Bigoted Facts at May 12, 2025 12:19 PM (cPjH3)
Good question. I sent him an e-mail.
Posted by: Soothsayer's Innaccurate but Amusing Bigoted Facts at May 12, 2025 12:19 PM (cPjH3)
Good question. I sent him an e-mail.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 12, 2025 12:55 PM (eQYa0)
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263 Just like every other industry, we've had a significant brain drain of people who "know how sh*t works* ... which leads us to hire essentially warm bodies just to fill seats. The level of ineptitude is staggering.
No. We couldn't possibly hide anything from the public like what this accusation assumes. We're not smart enough to do it.
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 12:54 PM (WYStd)
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So...
You hiring?
No. We couldn't possibly hide anything from the public like what this accusation assumes. We're not smart enough to do it.
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 12:54 PM (WYStd)
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So...
You hiring?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 12:55 PM (GBKbO)
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Trying to think of any other movie where pharmaceutical drugs were the focus point. Did they make a movie based on Brave New World?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:55 PM (VofaG)
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This is not the way. Allowing Big Pharma to charge what they want and endless wars is true conservative
Posted by: Tim Miller, Bill Kristol and the rest of the losers at The Bulwork at May 12, 2025 12:56 PM (DIoq8)
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This could be catastrophic for a lot of drug companies - most of them actually. Most of the revenue from drug sales is from right here in the US due to price controls in other countries.
I feel for you. Sucks to be in that position. Here's the thing, though, lots can change. Other countries can pay a bit more. Maybe pharma can spend a bigger percentage on research and a smaller percentage on advertising, whores, and producing billionaire executives.
No doubt they'll pay off enough members of Congress that it'll get forbidden and the US citizen can continue to be anally raped in a free-market fashion for a few more decades.
I feel for you. Sucks to be in that position. Here's the thing, though, lots can change. Other countries can pay a bit more. Maybe pharma can spend a bigger percentage on research and a smaller percentage on advertising, whores, and producing billionaire executives.
No doubt they'll pay off enough members of Congress that it'll get forbidden and the US citizen can continue to be anally raped in a free-market fashion for a few more decades.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 12:56 PM (ExV1e)
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Cougars often attack on beaches.
In bars.
Nightclubs.
Be safe out there.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 12:50 PM
Meh. I'm too old to be vulnerable to cougar attacks.
In bars.
Nightclubs.
Be safe out there.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 12:50 PM
Meh. I'm too old to be vulnerable to cougar attacks.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2025 12:56 PM (FAGAJ)
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Valley of the Dolls
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:56 PM (VofaG)
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Say what you want about antidepressants, they work for me?
Placebo effect? Maybe. But if I go several days without them, I can definitely perceive a downswing in my mood.
Placebo effect? Maybe. But if I go several days without them, I can definitely perceive a downswing in my mood.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 12:56 PM (77rzZ)
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This could be catastrophic for a lot of drug companies - most of them actually. Most of the revenue from drug sales is from right here in the US due to price controls in other countries.
Raping the US to cater to the communist state of other countries isn't really the best plan of attack, anymore.
Posted by: Sponge
F them. They can re-vamp of go under. I'm tired of subsidizing Malaysia and Germany.
Raping the US to cater to the communist state of other countries isn't really the best plan of attack, anymore.
Posted by: Sponge
F them. They can re-vamp of go under. I'm tired of subsidizing Malaysia and Germany.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 12:56 PM (4dDXL)
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264 Emmie, what state are you in?
Posted by: Pudinhead at May 12, 2025 12:53 PM (n17eQ)
Arkansas, where we have the best governor. :-)
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Cool, is your governor going to run for Prez? BTW, I hear the fly fishing in Ozark, AR, is something special.
Posted by: Pudinhead at May 12, 2025 12:53 PM (n17eQ)
Arkansas, where we have the best governor. :-)
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Cool, is your governor going to run for Prez? BTW, I hear the fly fishing in Ozark, AR, is something special.
Posted by: Pudinhead at May 12, 2025 12:56 PM (n17eQ)
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But your idea that we could pull off this whole "secret sauce for rich people" is made up of looney land nonsense quite honestly.
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 12:54 PM (WYStd)
There are also people in the CIA who don't know the CIA assassinates Americans and overthrows governments around the world it doesn't like.
They think they're a spy agency, that protects us from our enemy.
The fact you don't see it, isn't evidence they don't do it.
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 12:54 PM (WYStd)
There are also people in the CIA who don't know the CIA assassinates Americans and overthrows governments around the world it doesn't like.
They think they're a spy agency, that protects us from our enemy.
The fact you don't see it, isn't evidence they don't do it.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2025 12:57 PM (Kxh5T)
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Watching the news conference on this. A) CMS dictates the price they will pay for any medical service, including drugs. The CMS price quickly becomes the price health insurers will pay.
B) the Krauts are well and truly f’ed.
Ayn Rand was right.
B) the Krauts are well and truly f’ed.
Ayn Rand was right.
Posted by: Going deep. Out. at May 12, 2025 12:57 PM (oLdT5)
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Cougars often attack on beaches.
In bars.
Nightclubs.
Be safe out there.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 12:50 PM
Meh. I'm too old to be vulnerable to cougar attacks.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
Fist bump.
In bars.
Nightclubs.
Be safe out there.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 12:50 PM
Meh. I'm too old to be vulnerable to cougar attacks.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
Fist bump.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 12:57 PM (4dDXL)
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I don't believe that the rich and connected would keep drugs for themselves that the rest of us wouldn't be able to get.
I mean, it's not like they want to abolish the 2nd Amendment yet have their own armed 24/7 security or anything like that.
That's just crazy talk.
I mean, it's not like they want to abolish the 2nd Amendment yet have their own armed 24/7 security or anything like that.
That's just crazy talk.
Posted by: Iasonas at May 12, 2025 12:57 PM (gUzGB)
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Id take that drug if I was 85.
This is one of the seriously stupid issues of how the United States handles drug safety. There is no sense of the tradeoffs involved between the dangers, between life expectancy with a disease, and even general healthy life expectancy or quality of life.
This is one of the seriously stupid issues of how the United States handles drug safety. There is no sense of the tradeoffs involved between the dangers, between life expectancy with a disease, and even general healthy life expectancy or quality of life.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 12, 2025 12:57 PM (EXyHK)
Posted by: Kramer at May 12, 2025 12:57 PM (4Lxlt)
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There are about thirteen states that recently legalized OTC ivermectin. I think Tennessee is another. I posted a list awhile ago but have forgotten where I found it.
Posted by: Emmie celebrates the Audacity of Trump! at May 12, 2025 12:57 PM (Sf2cq)
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DARPA's Risk Management was literally take Ivermectin, Vitamins C and D and protect the elderly and obese from infection. Our betters purposely did the opposite.
Posted by: Pudinhead at May 12, 2025 12:55 PM (n17eQ)
That's funny. That was literally my non-professional advice (without IVM) before I learned about IVM.
Posted by: Pudinhead at May 12, 2025 12:55 PM (n17eQ)
That's funny. That was literally my non-professional advice (without IVM) before I learned about IVM.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 12, 2025 12:58 PM (i24o9)
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 12:58 PM (77rzZ)
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227 F150 5.0 loses a quart every 5-600 miles. No leaks, no smoke, etc. It just disappears, has 60k miles on it.
Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (r51hs)
Hope it's not going into the cooling system.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer
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If it's under warranty take it in.
If it old like the rest of us that new thin oil could burn without smoke.
Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (r51hs)
Hope it's not going into the cooling system.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer
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If it's under warranty take it in.
If it old like the rest of us that new thin oil could burn without smoke.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 12, 2025 12:58 PM (kYTDp)
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Trying to think of any other movie where pharmaceutical drugs were the focus point
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The Wall
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The Wall
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 12:58 PM (M/gGe)
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This could be catastrophic for a lot of drug companies - most of them actually. Most of the revenue from drug sales is from right here in the US due to price controls in other countries.
Going to be really tough to convince investors to fund research pipelines if the golden goose of the US market is trimmed.
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And all those fine countries can do without the drugs.
And their dying and sick citizens can rest easy knowing that their health care is "free," while casting yet another vote to keep their health care "free."
Going to be really tough to convince investors to fund research pipelines if the golden goose of the US market is trimmed.
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And all those fine countries can do without the drugs.
And their dying and sick citizens can rest easy knowing that their health care is "free," while casting yet another vote to keep their health care "free."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 12:58 PM (sYVcz)
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F150 5.0 loses a quart every 5-600 miles. No leaks, no smoke, etc. It just disappears, has 60k miles on it.
Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (r51hs)
Hope it's not going into the cooling system.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer
Granted oil pressure may be 40+psi and coolent 15psi... It just never seems to go that way because if there were a leak at the high oil pressure side when you shut down the engine that pressure goes to zero while coolent stays higher.
Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (r51hs)
Hope it's not going into the cooling system.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer
Granted oil pressure may be 40+psi and coolent 15psi... It just never seems to go that way because if there were a leak at the high oil pressure side when you shut down the engine that pressure goes to zero while coolent stays higher.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 12, 2025 12:59 PM (/lPRQ)
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What actual drug development does Pharma do any more?
The only true advances in pharma that I'm aware of have been for faggots with HIV, and that was only after 40+ years of shoveling 100s of billions of taxpayer money at them.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 12, 2025 12:51 PM (iFTx/)
GLP-1's which turn out to help a whole slew of health issues including liver disease and alcoholism/drug addiction. The aforementioned Immunotherapies which are a game-changer in oncology. Huge advances in autoimmune disorder treatments.
The company I work for performs the drug trials for all of the pharma companies. I get to see a lot of what is coming (even though I usually have no idea what investigational product becomes which drug because I just see them as random letters and numbers).
The only true advances in pharma that I'm aware of have been for faggots with HIV, and that was only after 40+ years of shoveling 100s of billions of taxpayer money at them.
Posted by: Elric Blade at May 12, 2025 12:51 PM (iFTx/)
GLP-1's which turn out to help a whole slew of health issues including liver disease and alcoholism/drug addiction. The aforementioned Immunotherapies which are a game-changer in oncology. Huge advances in autoimmune disorder treatments.
The company I work for performs the drug trials for all of the pharma companies. I get to see a lot of what is coming (even though I usually have no idea what investigational product becomes which drug because I just see them as random letters and numbers).
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 12:59 PM (WYStd)
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Cure cancer or collude with the government to rig an election?
Posted by: Iasonas at May 12, 2025 12:54 PM (gUzGB)
The mRNA covid vax was just a world wide test group for cancer research. How do you think Moderna became involved.
Posted by: Iasonas at May 12, 2025 12:54 PM (gUzGB)
The mRNA covid vax was just a world wide test group for cancer research. How do you think Moderna became involved.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:59 PM (VofaG)
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SSRI's without CBT are of course a recipe for failure.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 12:59 PM (M/gGe)
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Have any bills Of consequence (other than national pastry day) been passed in either the house or senate this year? I can’t think of any.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 12:59 PM (e4LaW)
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I don't believe that the rich and connected would keep drugs for themselves that the rest of us wouldn't be able to get.
I mean, it's not like they want to abolish the 2nd Amendment yet have their own armed 24/7 security or anything like that.
That's just crazy talk.
Posted by: Iasonas at May 12, 2025 12:57 PM (gUzGB)
Or spent the past 5 years preventing people from taking horse dewormer to get rid of the China cold.
I mean, it's not like they want to abolish the 2nd Amendment yet have their own armed 24/7 security or anything like that.
That's just crazy talk.
Posted by: Iasonas at May 12, 2025 12:57 PM (gUzGB)
Or spent the past 5 years preventing people from taking horse dewormer to get rid of the China cold.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2025 01:00 PM (Kxh5T)
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Trying to think of any other movie where pharmaceutical drugs were the focus point. Did they make a movie based on Brave New World?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
Equilibrium
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
Equilibrium
Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 12, 2025 01:00 PM (IXRHJ)
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The mRNA covid vax was just a world wide test group for cancer research. How do you think Moderna became involved.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:59 PM (VofaG)
Well, if their goal was to accelerate the growth of cancer and preventing the body from doing anything to fight it, they were very successful.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:59 PM (VofaG)
Well, if their goal was to accelerate the growth of cancer and preventing the body from doing anything to fight it, they were very successful.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 01:01 PM (Zz0t1)
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"Pfizer rigged the 2020 election by delaying their discovery of a "vaccine," so I'm all out of tears for Pfizer.
How are you?"
THIS, ace. I don't care about them at all. That said, the insurance companies and PBMs and other middlemen are worse offenders than Big Pharma, but I still don't care.
How are you?"
THIS, ace. I don't care about them at all. That said, the insurance companies and PBMs and other middlemen are worse offenders than Big Pharma, but I still don't care.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 12, 2025 01:01 PM (LryKn)
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Will this work? Don’t know, but Trump is setting up another 90/10 issue and the left can’t help but jump on the 10 side. And you can bet that a fed judge will issue a nationwide injunction shortly.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at May 12, 2025 01:01 PM (u73oe)
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I think on reason Trump is pulling this with the drug industry is that they made literally trillions of dollars during covid and basically weaponized themselves into a political force for the left.
Whatever.
The mickey-mouse horseshit they play with pricing at our expense should stop.
Whatever.
The mickey-mouse horseshit they play with pricing at our expense should stop.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 12, 2025 01:01 PM (Q4IgG)
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Granted oil pressure may be 40+psi and coolent 15psi... It just never seems to go that way because if there were a leak at the high oil pressure side when you shut down the engine that pressure goes to zero while coolent stays higher.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 12, 2025 12:59 PM (/lPRQ)
There are few areas that are the high oil pressure (like bearing journals) AND adjacent to coolant passages. Conversely there are typically a lot of gasketed coolant passages able to leak into adjacent oil drainage paths.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 12, 2025 12:59 PM (/lPRQ)
There are few areas that are the high oil pressure (like bearing journals) AND adjacent to coolant passages. Conversely there are typically a lot of gasketed coolant passages able to leak into adjacent oil drainage paths.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 12, 2025 01:02 PM (i24o9)
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Congress can pass an appropriate law, and President Trump can sign it. But giving more power to the regulatory state is a dumb idea.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at May 12, 2025 12:40 PM (L5An7)
Congress can but they won't. For all the complaints that Bondi/Patel aren't holding daily televised firing squads, Congress has done, basically, nothing at all. The old ways are broken. The only chance we have to resurrect them is to shove the new ways in the faces of left as hard as possible.
Hopefully, Vance will be elected in 2028 and everyone will quickly wail about the good old days of reasonable Trumpism.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at May 12, 2025 12:40 PM (L5An7)
Congress can but they won't. For all the complaints that Bondi/Patel aren't holding daily televised firing squads, Congress has done, basically, nothing at all. The old ways are broken. The only chance we have to resurrect them is to shove the new ways in the faces of left as hard as possible.
Hopefully, Vance will be elected in 2028 and everyone will quickly wail about the good old days of reasonable Trumpism.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 01:02 PM (ExV1e)
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F150 5.0 loses a quart every 5-600 miles. No leaks, no smoke, etc. It just disappears, has 60k miles on it.
Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (r51hs)
Buddy had this happen with his 2018 F150 V8. It would go through 2 quarts between fillups. He took it in and it turned out to be some kind of vacuum system issue where oil was getting sucked into the combustion chamber and burning off.
Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (r51hs)
Buddy had this happen with his 2018 F150 V8. It would go through 2 quarts between fillups. He took it in and it turned out to be some kind of vacuum system issue where oil was getting sucked into the combustion chamber and burning off.
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 01:02 PM (WYStd)
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271 Cougars often attack on beaches.
In bars.
Nightclubs.
Be safe out there.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 12:50 PM
Meh. I'm too old to be vulnerable to cougar attacks.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
MROWR!
In bars.
Nightclubs.
Be safe out there.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 12:50 PM
Meh. I'm too old to be vulnerable to cougar attacks.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
MROWR!
Posted by: Zombie Betty White at May 12, 2025 01:02 PM (W2Pud)
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292 Have any bills Of consequence (other than national pastry day) been passed in either the house or senate this year? I can’t think of any.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 12:59 PM (e4LaW)
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Here's the thing about this measure:
Bills generally add power to the federal government. Why should we be rooting for more of them?
The stated goal of both the WH and Congressional leadership (at least in the House, Johnson has made sounds about this) is to make government smaller, to pull back on funding and departments.
That requires the budget process to finish.
Is it a good excuse? Yes. Is it more than an excuse? I don't know.
But, ultimately, I see complaints about lack of bills passed and just roll my eyes.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 12:59 PM (e4LaW)
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Here's the thing about this measure:
Bills generally add power to the federal government. Why should we be rooting for more of them?
The stated goal of both the WH and Congressional leadership (at least in the House, Johnson has made sounds about this) is to make government smaller, to pull back on funding and departments.
That requires the budget process to finish.
Is it a good excuse? Yes. Is it more than an excuse? I don't know.
But, ultimately, I see complaints about lack of bills passed and just roll my eyes.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 01:02 PM (GBKbO)
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Ivermectin works, and for a lot more things than just COVID, like cancer. Get out and read the scientific literature, if you can. Even chlorohydroxyquine, azithromycin, and zinc work against COVID. That’s the one they hounded Didier Raoult into obscurity about because he would not back down. Now, forced into early retirement, no longer head of the Marseille Institute for the Study of Tropical Diseases, stripped of his acclaim as the Father of European Virology, all his papers attributed to his students, shunned as a fraud, he lives in quiet obscurity. All he did was find a palliative treatment for COVID that worked if applied early enough. We can’t have that can we? Palliative treatment means there is no Emergency Authorization for an untested “so-called” vaccine. So what did they do? They replicated his early pilot study - triage more than anything, but made sure to wait until the patients were in the last stages of death by COVID. The point of his treatment was to prevent the spike proteins from infesting your red blood cells - that’s why you couldn’t oxygenate your body - there was nothing wrong with your lungs -
(To be continued in Part 2)
(To be continued in Part 2)
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 12, 2025 01:02 PM (/HoPU)
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My understanding there is that they had an effective treatment in mind pretty early on and Fauci ordered them to look into other things instead because he is The Science.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2025 12:53 PM (2ocoG)
Fauci's treatment is what caused some of the health devastation in AIDS patients.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 12, 2025 12:53 PM (2ocoG)
Fauci's treatment is what caused some of the health devastation in AIDS patients.
Posted by: Emmie celebrates the Audacity of Trump! at May 12, 2025 01:02 PM (Sf2cq)
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F150 5.0 loses a quart every 5-600 miles. No leaks, no smoke, etc. It just disappears, has 60k miles on it.
Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (r51hs)
I see your F150 identified as an Audi. 😂
Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (r51hs)
I see your F150 identified as an Audi. 😂
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 01:02 PM (e4LaW)
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With these prices the way they were, what was gojng to happen when the Uniparty "socialized" our medicine. Any guesses?
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 12:40 PM (M/gGe)
Shhhhhhh... that's different.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 12:40 PM (M/gGe)
Shhhhhhh... that's different.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 01:02 PM (ExV1e)
308
How is your sister doing, the one who finds us strangely lovable?
Posted by: Bulg
She's well, thanks for asking. She has all of my guns and hasn't been shy about going to the range with them, even my restored Garand.
She's not shy about sending me pictures of them either. Yeah, she's a peach.
Posted by: Bulg
She's well, thanks for asking. She has all of my guns and hasn't been shy about going to the range with them, even my restored Garand.
She's not shy about sending me pictures of them either. Yeah, she's a peach.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 01:02 PM (Z+A8w)
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Aren't something like 60%+ Americans on some sort of prescription med, for either physical, mental, or both issues?
The US is an open-air outpatient ward.
Posted by: Iasonas
Great. Another thing this cracker doesn't qualify for.
The US is an open-air outpatient ward.
Posted by: Iasonas
Great. Another thing this cracker doesn't qualify for.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 01:02 PM (4dDXL)
310
Cure cancer or collude with the government to rig an election?
Posted by: Iasonas at May 12, 2025 12:54 PM (gUzGB)
The mRNA covid vax was just a world wide test group for cancer research. How do you think Moderna became involved.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:59 PM (VofaG)
That is my hypothesis as well. Remember when FJB inexplicably remarked he would cure cancer if elected?
Posted by: Iasonas at May 12, 2025 12:54 PM (gUzGB)
The mRNA covid vax was just a world wide test group for cancer research. How do you think Moderna became involved.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:59 PM (VofaG)
That is my hypothesis as well. Remember when FJB inexplicably remarked he would cure cancer if elected?
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at May 12, 2025 01:03 PM (i24o9)
Posted by: Going deep. Out. at May 12, 2025 01:03 PM (6t8M3)
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She's well, thanks for asking. She has all of my guns and hasn't been shy about going to the range with them, even my restored Garand.
She's not shy about sending me pictures of them either. Yeah, she's a peach.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 01:02 PM (Z+A8w)
Now that's just plain mean.
She's not shy about sending me pictures of them either. Yeah, she's a peach.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 01:02 PM (Z+A8w)
Now that's just plain mean.
Posted by: she's doing donuts on your lawn at May 12, 2025 01:04 PM (TbWk/)
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Fauci's treatment is what caused some of the health devastation in AIDS patients.
Posted by: Emmie celebrates the Audacity of Trump! at May 12, 2025 01:02 PM (Sf2cq)
Fauci, Gate and Birx should be tried for crimes against humanity.
The list should not be limited to those three.
Fauci's treatment is what caused some of the health devastation in AIDS patients.
Posted by: Emmie celebrates the Audacity of Trump! at May 12, 2025 01:02 PM (Sf2cq)
Fauci, Gate and Birx should be tried for crimes against humanity.
The list should not be limited to those three.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 01:04 PM (Zz0t1)
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Somehow incentivize fee-for-service providers for all non-catastrophic care. The model is there with existing concierge practices.
Insurance for routine care creates an incentive for overuse.
Insurance for routine care creates an incentive for overuse.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at May 12, 2025 01:04 PM (UBKzV)
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She's well, thanks for asking. She has all of my guns and hasn't been shy about going to the range with them, even my restored Garand.
She's not shy about sending me pictures of them either. Yeah, she's a peach.
Posted by: WitchDoktor
Sounds like she would make a great 'Ette.
She's not shy about sending me pictures of them either. Yeah, she's a peach.
Posted by: WitchDoktor
Sounds like she would make a great 'Ette.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 01:04 PM (77rzZ)
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 01:04 PM (M/gGe)
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atching the news conference on this. A) CMS dictates the price they will pay for any medical service, including drugs. The CMS price quickly becomes the price health insurers will pay.
In many state workers compensation statutes, the reimbursement formulary uses medicare rates x a percentage. For example, in Texas, surgery is medicare rate x 145%.
In many state workers compensation statutes, the reimbursement formulary uses medicare rates x a percentage. For example, in Texas, surgery is medicare rate x 145%.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 01:04 PM (VofaG)
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Great. Another thing this cracker doesn't qualify for.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 01:02 PM (4dDXL)
*fistbump*
Great. Another thing this cracker doesn't qualify for.
Posted by: rickb223 at May 12, 2025 01:02 PM (4dDXL)
*fistbump*
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 01:04 PM (Zz0t1)
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I feel for you. Sucks to be in that position. Here's the thing, though, lots can change.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 12:56 PM (ExV1e)
Not looking for sympathy. Just telling people how it is.
I'm expecting to be replaced by an AI that I developed any day now.
Speaking of which, the fad in my industry as of a few years ago was "virtual clinical trials" where we don't actually test the drugs on human volunteers at scale - instead we just use AI to simulate it (or rather, large parts of it).
Yeah that's a real thing that people are working on.
With ideas like that my industry deserves the death it's going to receive.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 12:56 PM (ExV1e)
Not looking for sympathy. Just telling people how it is.
I'm expecting to be replaced by an AI that I developed any day now.
Speaking of which, the fad in my industry as of a few years ago was "virtual clinical trials" where we don't actually test the drugs on human volunteers at scale - instead we just use AI to simulate it (or rather, large parts of it).
Yeah that's a real thing that people are working on.
With ideas like that my industry deserves the death it's going to receive.
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 01:04 PM (WYStd)
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LOL... Germany threatens Russia, if you don't stop winning the war and let us rearm Ukraine and more troops in, we'll put more sanctions on you!!!
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 12, 2025 01:04 PM (QAkQ3)
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teh Bidet would NEVER have lasted as long as he did if he wasn't being pumped up with some special sauce goosey juice that is unavailable to the mere peons
Posted by: kallisto
I think Biden probably has vascular dementia as his primary diagnosis rather than Alzheimers (they get mixed usually). My guess is also he has something like Parkinson's or some other health issue aside from his heart.
Vascular dementia patients typically live longer than those with Alzheimers as the progression is typically slower absent strokes or heart problems.
Biden from my observations resembles my mother's case and has been in memory care now since 2021. Her main issue is a steadily worsening memory and sometimes delusional ones but she can still speak, etc.
Posted by: kallisto
I think Biden probably has vascular dementia as his primary diagnosis rather than Alzheimers (they get mixed usually). My guess is also he has something like Parkinson's or some other health issue aside from his heart.
Vascular dementia patients typically live longer than those with Alzheimers as the progression is typically slower absent strokes or heart problems.
Biden from my observations resembles my mother's case and has been in memory care now since 2021. Her main issue is a steadily worsening memory and sometimes delusional ones but she can still speak, etc.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2025 01:05 PM (ctrM5)
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I think on reason Trump is pulling this with the drug industry is that they made literally trillions of dollars during covid and basically weaponized themselves into a political force for the left.
Whatever.
The mickey-mouse horseshit they play with pricing at our expense should stop.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 12, 2025 01:01 PM (Q4IgG)
Every time I try to be a good libertarian (small l), I'm faced with the fact they spent the past several decades screwing us over with fascist, corporatist ways.
Someday I'd like to get back to market principles, but first we got to kill all the nazzies and commies.
Whatever.
The mickey-mouse horseshit they play with pricing at our expense should stop.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 12, 2025 01:01 PM (Q4IgG)
Every time I try to be a good libertarian (small l), I'm faced with the fact they spent the past several decades screwing us over with fascist, corporatist ways.
Someday I'd like to get back to market principles, but first we got to kill all the nazzies and commies.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2025 01:05 PM (Kxh5T)
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She's not shy about sending me pictures of them either. Yeah, she's a peach.
Posted by: WitchDoktor
That's hot.
She's not shy about sending me pictures of them either. Yeah, she's a peach.
Posted by: WitchDoktor
That's hot.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 01:05 PM (Zz0t1)
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257 Okay time to turn this into a movie thread.
I thought Limitless was an awesome movie.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:54 PM (VofaG)
With a Bradley Cooper option (he seems to have disappeared.)
It's like the podcast all over.
I thought Limitless was an awesome movie.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:54 PM (VofaG)
With a Bradley Cooper option (he seems to have disappeared.)
It's like the podcast all over.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 12, 2025 01:05 PM (bss/y)
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End Wokeness
@EndWokeness
Trump says his "seriously overweight friend" is on "the fat shot" & it's not working
Instant classic
https://tinyurl.com/yph5s4ax
@EndWokeness
Trump says his "seriously overweight friend" is on "the fat shot" & it's not working
Instant classic
https://tinyurl.com/yph5s4ax
Posted by: redridinghood at May 12, 2025 01:05 PM (NpAcC)
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The real solution to the drug price problem is the patent system for new drugs.
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 12:43 PM (WYStd)
Presumably that requires the government to be willing to drop some mushrooms on the capital of countries who decide to ignore said patents.
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 12:43 PM (WYStd)
Presumably that requires the government to be willing to drop some mushrooms on the capital of countries who decide to ignore said patents.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 01:06 PM (ExV1e)
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The mRNA covid vax was just a world wide test group for cancer research. How do you think Moderna became involved.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:59 PM (VofaG)
Yeah, but was the test to cure Cancer, or CAUSE IT.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:59 PM (VofaG)
Yeah, but was the test to cure Cancer, or CAUSE IT.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 12, 2025 01:06 PM (QAkQ3)
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This to me is like buying Greenland or forgiving student debt. Can't ever happen, won't ever happen, but is the distraction of the day and a vote winner for the future.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at May 12, 2025 01:06 PM (wBaIH)
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Whatever happend to stem cells?
Never hear about that trend anymore.
Never hear about that trend anymore.
Posted by: Reforger at May 12, 2025 01:06 PM (xcIvR)
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That would be interesting, because that would be a theft of US company IP - for the most part. And a flagrant WTO violation, which if it breaks down the further subsidization of global trade by the US would be devastating for these foreign countries. I think the foreign countries will have to blink.
Posted by: Black JEM at May 12, 2025 12:30 PM (GZYu7)
The WTO is not on our side. They were established to get us to kowtow to the rest of the world, and let them build their economies on the backs of our markets. We regularly lose trade disputes brought to their attention. That is by design.
Posted by: Black JEM at May 12, 2025 12:30 PM (GZYu7)
The WTO is not on our side. They were established to get us to kowtow to the rest of the world, and let them build their economies on the backs of our markets. We regularly lose trade disputes brought to their attention. That is by design.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 12, 2025 01:06 PM (LryKn)
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A large part of the cost differential is due to the differences in product liability exposure.
Ambulance-chasing lawyers, such as RFK Jr, get YUGE payouts based on dubious claims.
Johnson & Johnson baby powders causes cancer?
Using Roundup herbicide causes cancer and nearly bankrupted Bayer (German inventor of aspirin, a lifesaving drug given to heart-attack patients by paramedics)?
Ambulance-chasing lawyers, such as RFK Jr, get YUGE payouts based on dubious claims.
Johnson & Johnson baby powders causes cancer?
Using Roundup herbicide causes cancer and nearly bankrupted Bayer (German inventor of aspirin, a lifesaving drug given to heart-attack patients by paramedics)?
Posted by: MachiasPrivateer at May 12, 2025 01:07 PM (avPX7)
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F150 5.0 loses a quart every 5-600 miles. No leaks, no smoke, etc. It just disappears, has 60k miles on it.
no code?
Another weird thing to know. They don't put transmission dipsticks where you can get to them anymore. And most oil change places don't go through the trouble of checking them.
no code?
Another weird thing to know. They don't put transmission dipsticks where you can get to them anymore. And most oil change places don't go through the trouble of checking them.
Posted by: DanMan at May 12, 2025 01:07 PM (8uzBS)
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324 With a Bradley Cooper option (he seems to have disappeared.)
It's like the podcast all over.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 12, 2025 01:05 PM (bss/y)
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He's become a director yearning for acknowledgement by the industry.
So, he's acting less, mostly in his own stuff, and focusing on his directing efforts like A Star is Born and his Netflix movie about Leonard Bernstein.
It's like the podcast all over.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 12, 2025 01:05 PM (bss/y)
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He's become a director yearning for acknowledgement by the industry.
So, he's acting less, mostly in his own stuff, and focusing on his directing efforts like A Star is Born and his Netflix movie about Leonard Bernstein.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 01:07 PM (GBKbO)
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Insurance for routine care creates an incentive for overuse.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at May 12, 2025 01:04 PM (UBKzV)
Done properly, routine care ought to be a loss leader for hospitals.
Have your regular checkups, catch the catastrophic stuff earlier, avoid getting reamed by medicare and big pharm for years of expensive treatments no one can possibly actually pay you for when you could have treated it earlier and cheaper and actually gotten reimbursed for your efforts.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at May 12, 2025 01:04 PM (UBKzV)
Done properly, routine care ought to be a loss leader for hospitals.
Have your regular checkups, catch the catastrophic stuff earlier, avoid getting reamed by medicare and big pharm for years of expensive treatments no one can possibly actually pay you for when you could have treated it earlier and cheaper and actually gotten reimbursed for your efforts.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 01:07 PM (VoAdT)
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Instant classic
https://tinyurl.com/yph5s4ax
Posted by: redridinghood at May 12, 2025 01:05 PM (NpAcC)
His GAF level is immeasurable. If you're feelings are hurt, call the whaamulance because he does NOT care.
It's beautiful.
Instant classic
https://tinyurl.com/yph5s4ax
Posted by: redridinghood at May 12, 2025 01:05 PM (NpAcC)
His GAF level is immeasurable. If you're feelings are hurt, call the whaamulance because he does NOT care.
It's beautiful.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 01:07 PM (Zz0t1)
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And it's not health insurance. It's health coverage.
Posted by: Call it what it is at May 12, 2025 01:07 PM (4Lxlt)
337
Equilibrium
Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 12, 2025 01:00 PM (IXRHJ)
yes that's one. Still trying to decide if I liked that movie.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 12, 2025 01:00 PM (IXRHJ)
yes that's one. Still trying to decide if I liked that movie.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 01:07 PM (VofaG)
338
Cato Institute and Reason Magazine hardest hit.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at May 12, 2025 01:08 PM (Vh9CX)
339
LOL... Germany threatens Russia, if you don't stop winning the war and let us rearm Ukraine and more troops in, we'll put more sanctions on you!!!
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 12, 2025 01:04 PM (QAkQ3)
I'd like to see Trump and Vance meet with Z man and the German fuhrer, and have Vance excuse himself to go to the bathroom, come out with a small caliber handgun, shoot the Kraut between the eyes, then put the rest of the slugs in Z man's chest. Drop the handgun, and walk out.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 12, 2025 01:04 PM (QAkQ3)
I'd like to see Trump and Vance meet with Z man and the German fuhrer, and have Vance excuse himself to go to the bathroom, come out with a small caliber handgun, shoot the Kraut between the eyes, then put the rest of the slugs in Z man's chest. Drop the handgun, and walk out.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2025 01:08 PM (6fBYQ)
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She's not shy about sending me pictures of them either. Yeah, she's a peach.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 01:02 PM (Z+A8w)
Now that's just plain mean.
Posted by: she's doing donuts on your lawn at May 12, 2025 01:04 PM (TbWk/)
But funny!
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 01:02 PM (Z+A8w)
Now that's just plain mean.
Posted by: she's doing donuts on your lawn at May 12, 2025 01:04 PM (TbWk/)
But funny!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at May 12, 2025 01:08 PM (L5An7)
341
I maka da secret sauce once, and look-a what they do to my name.
Posted by: Ettore Boiardi at May 12, 2025 01:09 PM (7Q0e+)
342
The Left purposely conflated stem cells and fetal stem cells to drive people to the infantiside of the abortion issue.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 01:09 PM (M/gGe)
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Another weird thing to know. They don't put transmission dipsticks where you can get to them anymore. And most oil change places don't go through the trouble of checking them.
Posted by: DanMan at May 12, 2025 01:07 PM (8uzBS)
Lots of transmissions are sealed now. There is no dipstick. You'll know it needs the fluid changed when it grenades itself on schedule at 90-100k miles.
Posted by: DanMan at May 12, 2025 01:07 PM (8uzBS)
Lots of transmissions are sealed now. There is no dipstick. You'll know it needs the fluid changed when it grenades itself on schedule at 90-100k miles.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 01:09 PM (VoAdT)
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220 I'll add that healthcare has already been socialized for a long time. Generally started when patients removed themselves from the costs of even minor care in favor of a third party (insurance...) payer.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (aYmFI)
I wouldn't call it socialized per se... more like a bastard hybrid that combines the worst features of socialized with the worst features of individual pay, without the advantage of either.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (aYmFI)
I wouldn't call it socialized per se... more like a bastard hybrid that combines the worst features of socialized with the worst features of individual pay, without the advantage of either.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 01:09 PM (W5ArC)
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Has there ever been a study on the actual real world long term effectiveness of pharmaceuticals?
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Yes.
After the introduction of basic sanitation in hospitals, plumbing and wastewater disposal beyond "dump it in the street" and basic vaccines (MMR, smallpox and such) there has been almost no increase in average life expectancy.
Instead of children dying young, most everyone now lives just as long as those who survived childhood 100 years ago. Around 70-80.
That's it.
All these drugs for the elderly? Just squeezes out a few more years for some at best.
It's really sad--all these trillions and they've hit a wall.
A wall where it's more profitable to prolong an ailing life than extend healthy life.
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Yes.
After the introduction of basic sanitation in hospitals, plumbing and wastewater disposal beyond "dump it in the street" and basic vaccines (MMR, smallpox and such) there has been almost no increase in average life expectancy.
Instead of children dying young, most everyone now lives just as long as those who survived childhood 100 years ago. Around 70-80.
That's it.
All these drugs for the elderly? Just squeezes out a few more years for some at best.
It's really sad--all these trillions and they've hit a wall.
A wall where it's more profitable to prolong an ailing life than extend healthy life.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at May 12, 2025 01:09 PM (sYVcz)
346
Now that's just plain mean.
Posted by: she's doing donuts on your lawn at May 12, 2025 01:04 PM (TbWk/)
Direct quote:
"Check out this grouping, pretty tight even though you're shit at zeroing scopes."
Posted by: she's doing donuts on your lawn at May 12, 2025 01:04 PM (TbWk/)
Direct quote:
"Check out this grouping, pretty tight even though you're shit at zeroing scopes."
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 01:09 PM (Z+A8w)
347
Cool, is your governor going to run for Prez? BTW, I hear the fly fishing in Ozark, AR, is something special.
Posted by: Pudinhead
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Really good place for trout fishing. Spring River and the upper White River are both excellent along with the Buffalo. Buffalo though is a bit harder to access.
Posted by: Pudinhead
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Really good place for trout fishing. Spring River and the upper White River are both excellent along with the Buffalo. Buffalo though is a bit harder to access.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2025 01:09 PM (ctrM5)
348
Whatever happend to stem cells?
Never hear about that trend anymore.
Posted by: Reforger at May 12, 2025 01:06 PM (xcIvR)
They're being stored in large vats of cold fusion.
Never hear about that trend anymore.
Posted by: Reforger at May 12, 2025 01:06 PM (xcIvR)
They're being stored in large vats of cold fusion.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2025 01:10 PM (6fBYQ)
349
SSRI's without CBT are of course a recipe for failure.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 12:59 PM (M/gGe)
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The CBT that worked for curing my anxiety and depression issues was leaving Califzuela.
Seriously ...
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 12:59 PM (M/gGe)
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The CBT that worked for curing my anxiety and depression issues was leaving Califzuela.
Seriously ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Sovereignty Trumps Journalism (#OrangeHorseBad)! at May 12, 2025 01:10 PM (KCKTN)
350
339 I'd like to see Trump and Vance meet with Z man and the German fuhrer, and have Vance excuse himself to go to the bathroom, come out with a small caliber handgun, shoot the Kraut between the eyes, then put the rest of the slugs in Z man's chest. Drop the handgun, and walk out.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2025 01:08 PM (6fBYQ)
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Apparently Zelensky is meeting directly with Putin sometime very soon at the...insistence of the Trump administration.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2025 01:08 PM (6fBYQ)
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Apparently Zelensky is meeting directly with Putin sometime very soon at the...insistence of the Trump administration.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 01:10 PM (GBKbO)
351
311 RFK Jr. could turn out to be Trump’s most consequential appointment.
Posted by: Going deep. Out. at May 12, 2025 01:03 PM (6t8M3)
It's a tough call in a cabinet of all stars
Posted by: Going deep. Out. at May 12, 2025 01:03 PM (6t8M3)
It's a tough call in a cabinet of all stars
Posted by: kallisto at May 12, 2025 01:10 PM (dCxaZ)
352
"Check out this grouping, pretty tight even though you're shit at zeroing scopes."
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 01:09 PM (Z+A8w)
I'll be in my bunk.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 01:09 PM (Z+A8w)
I'll be in my bunk.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 01:10 PM (Zz0t1)
353
I remember my parents during Obama having. To go the Canadian route and the difference in price was stark to say the least along with being a pain ion the &$$.
Between Obamacare and the plethora of drug ads is it no wonder we are the biggest consumer of pharmaceutical drugs?
Between Obamacare and the plethora of drug ads is it no wonder we are the biggest consumer of pharmaceutical drugs?
Posted by: Paisley at May 12, 2025 01:10 PM (vvKmX)
354
The mRNA covid vax was just a world wide test group for cancer research. How do you think Moderna became involved.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:59 PM (VofaG)
That is my hypothesis as well. Remember when FJB inexplicably remarked he would cure cancer if elected?
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon
No cure yet.
But they found 10,000 formulas that cause it.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 12:59 PM (VofaG)
That is my hypothesis as well. Remember when FJB inexplicably remarked he would cure cancer if elected?
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon
No cure yet.
But they found 10,000 formulas that cause it.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 12, 2025 01:10 PM (/lPRQ)
355
She's not shy about sending me pictures of them either. Yeah, she's a peach.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 01:02 PM (Z+A8w)
At least you know they are safe.
I first read just this snippet and thought you were talking about a new girlfriend. The replies kind of confirmed that until I got up and saw guns + sister.
Well, when in Alabama...
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 01:02 PM (Z+A8w)
At least you know they are safe.
I first read just this snippet and thought you were talking about a new girlfriend. The replies kind of confirmed that until I got up and saw guns + sister.
Well, when in Alabama...
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 12, 2025 01:10 PM (bss/y)
356
Speaking of which, the fad in my industry as of a few years ago was "virtual clinical trials" where we don't actually test the drugs on human volunteers at scale - instead we just use AI to simulate it (or rather, large parts of it).
Yeah that's a real thing that people are working on.
With ideas like that my industry deserves the death it's going to receive.
Posted by: Defenestratus at May
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Sounds like weather modeling.
Yeah that's a real thing that people are working on.
With ideas like that my industry deserves the death it's going to receive.
Posted by: Defenestratus at May
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Sounds like weather modeling.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at May 12, 2025 01:10 PM (kYTDp)
357
332 F150 5.0 loses a quart every 5-600 miles. No leaks, no smoke, etc. It just disappears, has 60k miles on it.
no code
Did it come with the optional Pratt & Whitney R-1830?
no code
Did it come with the optional Pratt & Whitney R-1830?
Posted by: Doctor Jill at May 12, 2025 01:10 PM (Y7Xr6)
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osted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 01:07 PM (GBKbO)
I watched The Midnight Meat Train last night. That was a weird one. And another one where I can't decide if I liked it or not.
I watched The Midnight Meat Train last night. That was a weird one. And another one where I can't decide if I liked it or not.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 01:10 PM (VofaG)
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Apparently Zelensky is meeting directly with Putin sometime very soon at the...insistence of the Trump administration.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 01:10 PM (GBKbO)
Yet, Owebama won a peace prize for getting elected.
Apparently Zelensky is meeting directly with Putin sometime very soon at the...insistence of the Trump administration.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 01:10 PM (GBKbO)
Yet, Owebama won a peace prize for getting elected.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 01:11 PM (Zz0t1)
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Everything that goes into drug proving, the Medicare and Medicaid rules, the rebate programs, average wholesale pricing, average sale pricing, the PBM middlemen - it's Byzantine, opaque, and confusing as hell by design. Not to mention that the biggest PBMs are owned by insurance companies, i.e. the payor. All manners of fuckery are going on, and guess who gets to be the fuckee? That's right, us.
Posted by: but the CEO gets a billion dollars so it's ok at May 12, 2025 01:11 PM (TbWk/)
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TJM, my wife and I watched the original version of the "The Killers" on Noir Alley yesterday. Wow, it was nothing like the 60s remake with Ronald Reagan, except that the protagonist in each film was a former athlete (a boxer in the original, a race-car driver in the remake).
They're both good, though. And Ava was an absolute smokeshow in the original.
They're both good, though. And Ava was an absolute smokeshow in the original.
Posted by: Bulg at May 12, 2025 01:11 PM (77rzZ)
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Get government out of the medical business to the greatest extent possible to reduce costs. Eliminate the illusion of free money. Have countries that baby their people with “free” medical care pay the freight for the R&D costs.
But I guess implementing price controls is much easier. Never mind.
But I guess implementing price controls is much easier. Never mind.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 01:11 PM (4OfdQ)
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> 329 Whatever happend to stem cells?
Never hear about that trend anymore.
Posted by: Reforger at May 12, 2025 01:06 PM (xcIvR)
Nowadays they can make stem cells out of essentially any kind of cell... it's not necessary to use fetal cells.
That's removed a lot of the controversy from the field.
Even the Catholic Church is okay with using cells from adults to make stem cells (it was opposed to using aborted fetuses for this purpose, for obvious reasons).
Never hear about that trend anymore.
Posted by: Reforger at May 12, 2025 01:06 PM (xcIvR)
Nowadays they can make stem cells out of essentially any kind of cell... it's not necessary to use fetal cells.
That's removed a lot of the controversy from the field.
Even the Catholic Church is okay with using cells from adults to make stem cells (it was opposed to using aborted fetuses for this purpose, for obvious reasons).
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 01:12 PM (W5ArC)
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Our state has legalized OTC ivermectin.
And which state would that be... just in case I happen to be driving through.
And which state would that be... just in case I happen to be driving through.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 01:12 PM (ExV1e)
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Apparently Zelensky is meeting directly with Putin sometime very soon at the...insistence of the Trump administration.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 01:10 PM (GBKbO)
"Let's you and him not fight".
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 01:10 PM (GBKbO)
"Let's you and him not fight".
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 01:12 PM (VoAdT)
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I'd like to see Trump and Vance meet with Z man and the German fuhrer, and have Vance excuse himself to go to the bathroom, come out with a small caliber handgun, shoot the Kraut between the eyes, then put the rest of the slugs in Z man's chest. Drop the handgun, and walk out.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2025 01:08 PM (6fBYQ)
Apparently Zelensky is meeting directly with Putin sometime very soon at the...insistence of the Trump administration.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 01:10 PM (GBKbO)
Hmmm, ok, we can work with this.
Someone give Pootin a pencil. Or a small piece of piano wire.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2025 01:08 PM (6fBYQ)
Apparently Zelensky is meeting directly with Putin sometime very soon at the...insistence of the Trump administration.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at May 12, 2025 01:10 PM (GBKbO)
Hmmm, ok, we can work with this.
Someone give Pootin a pencil. Or a small piece of piano wire.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2025 01:12 PM (6fBYQ)
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I'll take a bottle of Norco please.
And whatever goofballs Joe was on.
And whatever goofballs Joe was on.
Posted by: wth at May 12, 2025 01:12 PM (v0R5T)
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Is it time for my Soma yet?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 01:14 PM (VofaG)
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I watched The Midnight Meat Train last night.
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That's what Biden calls it whenever he sees a yellow bus past sunset.
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That's what Biden calls it whenever he sees a yellow bus past sunset.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 01:14 PM (M/gGe)
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Every time I try to be a good libertarian (small l), I'm faced with the fact they spent the past several decades screwing us over with fascist, corporatist ways.
Someday I'd like to get back to market principles, but first we got to kill all the nazzies and commies.
Posted by: BurtTC
Multi National Corporations are not people's friends anywhere. Which is why trust busting is essential to maintain democracies. Big corporations will always end up in bed with government otherwise in a bad symbiotic relationship and in the end, they screw over their customers if they have to in order to maintain profits.
The easiest way to understand them is that the 1840's grant of artificial life to corporations does not mean they can and should have natural rights of humans.
Someday I'd like to get back to market principles, but first we got to kill all the nazzies and commies.
Posted by: BurtTC
Multi National Corporations are not people's friends anywhere. Which is why trust busting is essential to maintain democracies. Big corporations will always end up in bed with government otherwise in a bad symbiotic relationship and in the end, they screw over their customers if they have to in order to maintain profits.
The easiest way to understand them is that the 1840's grant of artificial life to corporations does not mean they can and should have natural rights of humans.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2025 01:14 PM (ctrM5)
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This is an extremely important policy, and its pro-market.
Yes, it may seem like "price controls" but what its really fighting is EUROPEAN MONOPSONY.
Libertarians may recall we don't like monopolies, well a monopsony is just as bad.
And this is how you break that - you force global pricing.
That way France can't demand lower pricing than America and get it.
Yes, it may seem like "price controls" but what its really fighting is EUROPEAN MONOPSONY.
Libertarians may recall we don't like monopolies, well a monopsony is just as bad.
And this is how you break that - you force global pricing.
That way France can't demand lower pricing than America and get it.
Posted by: Harun at May 12, 2025 01:14 PM (IuIym)
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Trying to think of any other movie where pharmaceutical drugs were the focus point. Did they make a movie based on Brave New World?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
Pharma movie were Jake Gyllenhall boned Anne Hathaway. Can’t think of the name…
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
Pharma movie were Jake Gyllenhall boned Anne Hathaway. Can’t think of the name…
Posted by: haffhowershower at May 12, 2025 01:14 PM (K+s1B)
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Z meets with Putin, Z will be nuked like that other guy a while back was.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 01:14 PM (Zz0t1)
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Part 2 -
but the machines they hooked you up to made sure to crush your alveoli, just to be sure. Of course the treatment Dr. Raoult came up with didn’t work - they intentionally set up their follow-up to sabotage his treatment. Then they trashed him, because he wouldn’t back down. It shows a certain naïveté on Raoult’s part, but also a lot of scientific integrity, as well (didn’t see much integrity from the medical community anywhere else - with some exceptions). Nowadays he is derided as a hoaxter. He is not. But you even have people who buy the horseshit that Ivermectin is only for horses, ignoring the millions of people who take it everyday in equatorial Africa. Might as well use Remdesivir (or run, death is near, as the nurses called it) which promptly killed the patient and put some cha-ching in Fauci’s pocket. I despair for the gullibility and scientific illiteracy of Norm and Norma Citizen.
but the machines they hooked you up to made sure to crush your alveoli, just to be sure. Of course the treatment Dr. Raoult came up with didn’t work - they intentionally set up their follow-up to sabotage his treatment. Then they trashed him, because he wouldn’t back down. It shows a certain naïveté on Raoult’s part, but also a lot of scientific integrity, as well (didn’t see much integrity from the medical community anywhere else - with some exceptions). Nowadays he is derided as a hoaxter. He is not. But you even have people who buy the horseshit that Ivermectin is only for horses, ignoring the millions of people who take it everyday in equatorial Africa. Might as well use Remdesivir (or run, death is near, as the nurses called it) which promptly killed the patient and put some cha-ching in Fauci’s pocket. I despair for the gullibility and scientific illiteracy of Norm and Norma Citizen.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 12, 2025 01:14 PM (/HoPU)
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Someone give Pootin a pencil. Or a small piece of piano wire.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2025 01:12 PM (6fBYQ)
Putin's Judo is stronger than Zelenskyy's Jew-jitsu.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2025 01:12 PM (6fBYQ)
Putin's Judo is stronger than Zelenskyy's Jew-jitsu.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 01:14 PM (VoAdT)
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Remember its not French consumers demanding lower pricing...its a single payer system forcing it.
Posted by: Harun at May 12, 2025 01:15 PM (IuIym)
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Medical insurance should be for catastrophic incidents only, and routine care should be out of pocket. If people had to pay for routine checkups and pills, they would spend their own money more wisely, which would control prices.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 12, 2025 01:15 PM (e+c8H)
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Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 01:12 PM (W5ArC)
My understanding was they NEVER "needed" fetuses to get them.
My understanding was they NEVER "needed" fetuses to get them.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 01:15 PM (M/gGe)
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I'll add that healthcare has already been socialized for a long time. Generally started when patients removed themselves from the costs of even minor care in favor of a third party (insurance...) payer.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (aYmFI)
Arguably patients were forcibly removed from the equation.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (aYmFI)
Arguably patients were forcibly removed from the equation.
Posted by: out of network? That'll be 5 grand thank you. at May 12, 2025 01:15 PM (TbWk/)
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American-Israeli hostage Edan Alexander arrives in Israel
Accompanied by IDF forces, hostage Edan Alexander has crossed into Israel, where he will undergo initial medical examinations and meet his family.
Israel National News
Published: May 12, 2025 at 4:09 PM (GMT+3)
Updated: 7:41 PM
Accompanied by IDF forces, hostage Edan Alexander has crossed into Israel, where he will undergo initial medical examinations and meet his family.
Israel National News
Published: May 12, 2025 at 4:09 PM (GMT+3)
Updated: 7:41 PM
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2025 01:16 PM (RIvkX)
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I watched The Midnight Meat Train last night.
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That's what Biden calls it whenever he sees a yellow bus past sunset.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 01:14 PM (M/gGe)
Heh.
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That's what Biden calls it whenever he sees a yellow bus past sunset.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 01:14 PM (M/gGe)
Heh.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 01:16 PM (Zz0t1)
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This might not be pure free market capitalism, but Big pharma can look at this action as a kick in the balls for charging shut steep prices in collusion with the uniparty
Posted by: Smell the Glove
The Big Pharma companies do, in no way, practice anything like Free Market economics. They are now almost a monopoly, with just a few mega-companies left, that bought up most of the competition. They have, in effect, formed a drug cartel to control prices and drug research and creation.
And the FDA and the Big Pharma companies have a revolving door of Federal regulators going back and forth with Pharma companies employment.
Posted by: Smell the Glove
The Big Pharma companies do, in no way, practice anything like Free Market economics. They are now almost a monopoly, with just a few mega-companies left, that bought up most of the competition. They have, in effect, formed a drug cartel to control prices and drug research and creation.
And the FDA and the Big Pharma companies have a revolving door of Federal regulators going back and forth with Pharma companies employment.
Posted by: A face in the crowd.... at May 12, 2025 01:16 PM (vcOmj)
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>>> F150 5.0 loses a quart every 5-600 miles. No leaks, no smoke, etc. It just disappears, has 60k miles on it.
no code
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I had a 94 cutlass supreme with the 3.4 that did the same thing. I was told it was an engine design to help increase horsepower. I sold it at 175k miles with no problems. But I doubt that is your issue.
no code
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I had a 94 cutlass supreme with the 3.4 that did the same thing. I was told it was an engine design to help increase horsepower. I sold it at 175k miles with no problems. But I doubt that is your issue.
Posted by: Turn 2 at May 12, 2025 01:16 PM (6TlG5)
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Congress can pass an appropriate law, and President Trump can sign it. But giving more power to the regulatory state is a dumb idea.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at May 12, 2025 12:40 PM (L5An7)
The flaw in that argument is "Congress".
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (with a beret and a Gauloises) at May 12, 2025 12:40 PM (L5An7)
The flaw in that argument is "Congress".
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 12, 2025 01:16 PM (SZZUl)
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Wolves visit the beaches of Lake Superior.
Posted by: Lester Rips at May 12, 2025 01:17 PM (+emQW)
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Doesn't seem much different than the CDC claiming the power to defer rent payments to landlords across the country.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at May 12, 2025 01:17 PM (36PRH)
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Lots of transmissions are sealed now. There is no dipstick. You'll know it needs the fluid changed when it grenades itself on schedule at 90-100k miles.
my 5.0 F150 has it on the passenger side near the top of pan level behind the exhaust pipe towards the front. I had the front seal go out and it showed no fluid at all. It was way low when it was pulled out but its doing fine now. That happened at 184,000. Mechanic said those transmissions are practically indestructible.
my 5.0 F150 has it on the passenger side near the top of pan level behind the exhaust pipe towards the front. I had the front seal go out and it showed no fluid at all. It was way low when it was pulled out but its doing fine now. That happened at 184,000. Mechanic said those transmissions are practically indestructible.
Posted by: DanMan at May 12, 2025 01:17 PM (8uzBS)
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Instant classic
https://tinyurl.com/yph5s4ax
Posted by: redridinghood
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There's always Colace, bananas, Mountain Dew and a ride on the roller coaster.
https://tinyurl.com/yph5s4ax
Posted by: redridinghood
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There's always Colace, bananas, Mountain Dew and a ride on the roller coaster.
Posted by: wth at May 12, 2025 01:17 PM (v0R5T)
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It's not even a Market in any meaningful sense.
Worrying about if it's a Free Market is preposterous.
Worrying about if it's a Free Market is preposterous.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at May 12, 2025 01:17 PM (VoAdT)
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383 >>> F150 5.0 loses a quart every 5-600 miles. No leaks, no smoke, etc. It just disappears, has 60k miles on it.
no code
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I had a 94 cutlass supreme with the 3.4 that did the same thing. I was told it was an engine design to help increase horsepower. I sold it at 175k miles with no problems. But I doubt that is your issue.
Maybe it's a 2 stroke
no code
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I had a 94 cutlass supreme with the 3.4 that did the same thing. I was told it was an engine design to help increase horsepower. I sold it at 175k miles with no problems. But I doubt that is your issue.
Maybe it's a 2 stroke
Posted by: Shade tree expert at May 12, 2025 01:18 PM (Y7Xr6)
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Multi National Corporations are not people's friends anywhere. Which is why trust busting is essential to maintain democracies. Big corporations will always end up in bed with government otherwise in a bad symbiotic relationship and in the end, they screw over their customers if they have to in order to maintain profits.
The easiest way to understand them is that the 1840's grant of artificial life to corporations does not mean they can and should have natural rights of humans.
Posted by: whig
Uh, mega - dittoes to that remark. Why can't we have upvotes when we agree with someone?
We can never have nice things here.....
The easiest way to understand them is that the 1840's grant of artificial life to corporations does not mean they can and should have natural rights of humans.
Posted by: whig
Uh, mega - dittoes to that remark. Why can't we have upvotes when we agree with someone?
We can never have nice things here.....
Posted by: A face in the crowd.... at May 12, 2025 01:18 PM (vcOmj)
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Even the Catholic Church is okay with using cells from adults to make stem cells (it was opposed to using aborted fetuses for this purpose, for obvious reasons).
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 01:12 PM (W5ArC)
Aren't those cells in the ambilocal cord anyway and the need to abort the baby to get them was completely unnecessary?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 01:12 PM (W5ArC)
Aren't those cells in the ambilocal cord anyway and the need to abort the baby to get them was completely unnecessary?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 01:18 PM (Zz0t1)
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> My understanding was they NEVER "needed" fetuses to get them.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 01:15 PM (M/gGe)
Not true. Cells that have differentiated into different types (blood cells, muscle cells, heart cells, what have you) will only divide a certain number of times before they stop. Stem cells will divide indefinitely. Early stage stem cells are abundant in fetuses (think about it... the whole human body comes from a single cell), so that was the only option.
Techniques have been discovered that will "reset the clock" on adult cells, taking them back to earlier stages.
No more need for embryonic cells.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 01:15 PM (M/gGe)
Not true. Cells that have differentiated into different types (blood cells, muscle cells, heart cells, what have you) will only divide a certain number of times before they stop. Stem cells will divide indefinitely. Early stage stem cells are abundant in fetuses (think about it... the whole human body comes from a single cell), so that was the only option.
Techniques have been discovered that will "reset the clock" on adult cells, taking them back to earlier stages.
No more need for embryonic cells.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 01:19 PM (W5ArC)
Posted by: runner at May 12, 2025 01:19 PM (g47mK)
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The country of Pharmastan applies a 200% tariff to the drugs they export to the USA.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at May 12, 2025 01:19 PM (VofaG)
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Maybe it's a 2 stroke
Posted by: Shade tree expert at May 12, 2025 01:18 PM (Y7Xr6)
Watched some videos of the Tri-Z 250 the other day....MAN I miss my 3-wheelers. That thing was bad ass.
Maybe it's a 2 stroke
Posted by: Shade tree expert at May 12, 2025 01:18 PM (Y7Xr6)
Watched some videos of the Tri-Z 250 the other day....MAN I miss my 3-wheelers. That thing was bad ass.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 01:19 PM (Zz0t1)
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I wish Trump would sign an EO forbidding the private equity takeover of hospitals and health systems
Enjoy what's coming to walgreens! Probably the largest pharmacy chain in the US. They're being bought by a private equity group and taken private...
Enjoy what's coming to walgreens! Probably the largest pharmacy chain in the US. They're being bought by a private equity group and taken private...
Posted by: GMan at May 12, 2025 01:20 PM (GfWuY)
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Aren't those cells in the ambilocal cord anyway and the need to abort the baby to get them was completely unnecessary?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 01:18 PM (Zz0t1)
I'm not sure that was known at the time, actually.
In any case, it's now a moot point.
Aren't those cells in the ambilocal cord anyway and the need to abort the baby to get them was completely unnecessary?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 01:18 PM (Zz0t1)
I'm not sure that was known at the time, actually.
In any case, it's now a moot point.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 01:20 PM (W5ArC)
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There's always Colace, bananas, Mountain Dew and a ride on the roller coaster.
Posted by: wth at May 12, 2025 01:17 PM (v0R5T)
Learned not long ago that a friend's son had a heart attack at 34. He was on a plane coming back from Vegas after a night pounding Vodka and Red Bull.
Landed, fell down and woke up in the ER a few hours later.
There's always Colace, bananas, Mountain Dew and a ride on the roller coaster.
Posted by: wth at May 12, 2025 01:17 PM (v0R5T)
Learned not long ago that a friend's son had a heart attack at 34. He was on a plane coming back from Vegas after a night pounding Vodka and Red Bull.
Landed, fell down and woke up in the ER a few hours later.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at May 12, 2025 01:21 PM (Zz0t1)
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Maybe it's a 2 stroke
Posted by: Shade tree expert at May 12, 2025 01:18 PM (Y7Xr6)
That's what SHE said.
Posted by: Shade tree expert at May 12, 2025 01:18 PM (Y7Xr6)
That's what SHE said.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 12, 2025 01:21 PM (6fBYQ)
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362 Get government out of the medical business to the greatest extent possible to reduce costs. Eliminate the illusion of free money. Have countries that baby their people with “free” medical care pay the freight for the R&D costs.
But I guess implementing price controls is much easier. Never mind.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 01:11 PM (4OfdQ)
The company I work for - as I mentioned earlier - performs clinical trials for our pharmaceutical company and biotech and academic and tobacco company and food company and whoever else clients.
We get paid the same rate whether the investigation product does what its supposed to or not.
Basically the entire raison-d'etre for my company, and our numerous competitors is to navigate regulatory agency red tape and to conduct the trials impartially. Thats it.
Our industry generated approximately $82 billion last year.
Thats the cost of dealing with the FDA, the MHRA and all of the other agencies that are supposedly looking out for your best interests.
But I guess implementing price controls is much easier. Never mind.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2025 01:11 PM (4OfdQ)
The company I work for - as I mentioned earlier - performs clinical trials for our pharmaceutical company and biotech and academic and tobacco company and food company and whoever else clients.
We get paid the same rate whether the investigation product does what its supposed to or not.
Basically the entire raison-d'etre for my company, and our numerous competitors is to navigate regulatory agency red tape and to conduct the trials impartially. Thats it.
Our industry generated approximately $82 billion last year.
Thats the cost of dealing with the FDA, the MHRA and all of the other agencies that are supposedly looking out for your best interests.
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 01:21 PM (WYStd)
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There are about thirteen states that recently legalized OTC ivermectin. I think Tennessee is another. I posted a list awhile ago but have forgotten where I found it.
Posted by: Emmie celebrates the Audacity of Trump!
Yes, Tennessee sells over the counter Ivermectin. My sister lives in Nashville and found a pharmacy that sells it (not all pharmacies will sell it over the counter). My BiL (her husband) has had a flu he could not shake for months (he is 74). We advised trying Ivermectin, and it ended his flu in about a week.
Posted by: Emmie celebrates the Audacity of Trump!
Yes, Tennessee sells over the counter Ivermectin. My sister lives in Nashville and found a pharmacy that sells it (not all pharmacies will sell it over the counter). My BiL (her husband) has had a flu he could not shake for months (he is 74). We advised trying Ivermectin, and it ended his flu in about a week.
Posted by: A face in the crowd.... at May 12, 2025 01:21 PM (vcOmj)
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Nood. Tariffs.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at May 12, 2025 01:21 PM (ExV1e)
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LOL... Germany threatens Russia,
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Russia better be on high alert come June 22nd!
Posted by: runner
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I think Germany should wait until next winter to start something.
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Russia better be on high alert come June 22nd!
Posted by: runner
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I think Germany should wait until next winter to start something.
Posted by: wth at May 12, 2025 01:22 PM (v0R5T)
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397 I wish Trump would sign an EO forbidding the private equity takeover of hospitals and health systems
Enjoy what's coming to walgreens! Probably the largest pharmacy chain in the US. They're being bought by a private equity group and taken private...
Walgreens sucks
We had 2 in our town
Then they up and decided the one closest to me wouldn't have a pharmacy anymore. Now it's just a glorified general store.
Enjoy what's coming to walgreens! Probably the largest pharmacy chain in the US. They're being bought by a private equity group and taken private...
Walgreens sucks
We had 2 in our town
Then they up and decided the one closest to me wouldn't have a pharmacy anymore. Now it's just a glorified general store.
Posted by: Shade tree expert at May 12, 2025 01:22 PM (Y7Xr6)
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Medical insurance should be for catastrophic incidents only, and routine care should be out of pocket. If people had to pay for routine checkups and pills, they would spend their own money more wisely, which would control prices.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 12, 2025 01:15 PM (e+c8H)
At this point that's a pipe dream. The entire system as it currently exists would need to be torn out root and branch and burned down. And that kind of hard reset just isn't going to happen.
There is also the issue of technology. MRIs, PETs, angiography, catheterization, CTs, are now an inextricable part of routine care for non-emergency/catastrophic situations. These are never going to be cheap, and will likely be outside the reach of most people's finances. I don't know how you solve this but the problem is a lot more complicated, especially at this stage.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at May 12, 2025 01:15 PM (e+c8H)
At this point that's a pipe dream. The entire system as it currently exists would need to be torn out root and branch and burned down. And that kind of hard reset just isn't going to happen.
There is also the issue of technology. MRIs, PETs, angiography, catheterization, CTs, are now an inextricable part of routine care for non-emergency/catastrophic situations. These are never going to be cheap, and will likely be outside the reach of most people's finances. I don't know how you solve this but the problem is a lot more complicated, especially at this stage.
Posted by: Gradual reform? Unlikely. at May 12, 2025 01:22 PM (TbWk/)
Posted by: ShainS -- Sovereignty Trumps Journalism (#OrangeHorseBad)! at May 12, 2025 01:23 PM (t+HS7)
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328 This to me is like buying Greenland or forgiving student debt. Can't ever happen, won't ever happen, but is the distraction of the day and a vote winner for the future.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov
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It is actually going to happen because the math of Federal health spending demands it. Trump highlighted the issue in his first term, nothing was done. Then Biden nearly did something that was half hearted and ineffective but the Dems are actually on board. Now Trump is back with a vengeance.
All Trump has to do is authorize people to buy outside the US like a fair number already do and that will kill the rigged game. Either Big Pharma will have to cut its own throat by stopping sale in those countries (followed immediately by their patents being voided) or they have to roll back prices in the US.
Student debt is a similar instance, if the people cannot pay, then the system will crash. Many of the same infirmities in higher ed as to cost and availability are similar to that of the health care industry.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov
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It is actually going to happen because the math of Federal health spending demands it. Trump highlighted the issue in his first term, nothing was done. Then Biden nearly did something that was half hearted and ineffective but the Dems are actually on board. Now Trump is back with a vengeance.
All Trump has to do is authorize people to buy outside the US like a fair number already do and that will kill the rigged game. Either Big Pharma will have to cut its own throat by stopping sale in those countries (followed immediately by their patents being voided) or they have to roll back prices in the US.
Student debt is a similar instance, if the people cannot pay, then the system will crash. Many of the same infirmities in higher ed as to cost and availability are similar to that of the health care industry.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2025 01:23 PM (ctrM5)
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LOl, Starmer all of a sudden is out of money. Maggie Thatcher was right...but you needed tariffs to drive the point ! It was so nice draining the US of Trillions...
Posted by: runner at May 12, 2025 12:43 PM (g47mK)
The UK borrowed money from the Bank of England for the war and was expecting to pledge all the Ukrainian resources for it. Trump now owns those resources, and all Starmer has is the promise to tax Brits harder, or give up most of the welfare benefits they pay out.
Starmer may wind up looking like the "after" picture of William Wallace if he is not careful.
Posted by: runner at May 12, 2025 12:43 PM (g47mK)
The UK borrowed money from the Bank of England for the war and was expecting to pledge all the Ukrainian resources for it. Trump now owns those resources, and all Starmer has is the promise to tax Brits harder, or give up most of the welfare benefits they pay out.
Starmer may wind up looking like the "after" picture of William Wallace if he is not careful.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 12, 2025 01:26 PM (D7oie)
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Enjoy what's coming to walgreens! Probably the largest pharmacy chain in the US. They're being bought by a private equity group and taken private...
Walgreens sucks
We had 2 in our town
Then they up and decided the one closest to me wouldn't have a pharmacy anymore. Now it's just a glorified general store.
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Walgreens is failing and private equity exists simply to suck the remaining value out of the assets before selling off the shell. Rite Aid is now officially totally bankrupt and that leaves CVS as the main one standing. CVS spent its money on becoming one of a couple of PBMs which enables it to compete with the likes of Walmart, Amazon, Costco, Kroger, etc. The drug store is going away as we know it because middleman profits have shrank to the degree that you have to have other sources of revenue.
Walgreens sucks
We had 2 in our town
Then they up and decided the one closest to me wouldn't have a pharmacy anymore. Now it's just a glorified general store.
Posted by: Shade tree expert
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Walgreens is failing and private equity exists simply to suck the remaining value out of the assets before selling off the shell. Rite Aid is now officially totally bankrupt and that leaves CVS as the main one standing. CVS spent its money on becoming one of a couple of PBMs which enables it to compete with the likes of Walmart, Amazon, Costco, Kroger, etc. The drug store is going away as we know it because middleman profits have shrank to the degree that you have to have other sources of revenue.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2025 01:27 PM (ctrM5)
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My understanding was they NEVER "needed" fetuses to get them.
Posted by: ... at
You can get fetal stem cells from the umbilical cord of newborn babies.
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You can get fetal stem cells from the umbilical cord of newborn babies.
Posted by: A face in the crowd.... at May 12, 2025 01:27 PM (vcOmj)
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> Not true. Cells that have differentiated into different types (blood cells, muscle cells, heart cells, what have you)
Heart cells are muscle cells, of course. Duh.
The categories of stem cells are totipotent (can become any kind of cell... found only in early-stage embryos), pluripotent (three kinds in mammals... one kind can become gut, lungs and liver, one kind can become muscle, skeleton, blood vascular, urogenital, dermis, and the third kind can become nervous, sensory, epidermis), and oligopotent (usually limited to one basic type... blood cells, skin cells, muscle cells, etc.).
Whether you actually need totipotent (found only in embryos) depends on what you're trying to do. But you don't need to get 'em from embryos any more.
Heart cells are muscle cells, of course. Duh.
The categories of stem cells are totipotent (can become any kind of cell... found only in early-stage embryos), pluripotent (three kinds in mammals... one kind can become gut, lungs and liver, one kind can become muscle, skeleton, blood vascular, urogenital, dermis, and the third kind can become nervous, sensory, epidermis), and oligopotent (usually limited to one basic type... blood cells, skin cells, muscle cells, etc.).
Whether you actually need totipotent (found only in embryos) depends on what you're trying to do. But you don't need to get 'em from embryos any more.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 01:27 PM (W5ArC)
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F150 5.0 loses a quart every 5-600 miles. No leaks, no smoke, etc. It just disappears, has 60k miles on it.
Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2025 12:49 PM (r51hs)
Catalytic converters do a fine job of eliminating the blue smoke from burning oil.
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Catalytic converters do a fine job of eliminating the blue smoke from burning oil.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 12, 2025 01:28 PM (qCAN7)
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Just another anecdote from "behind enemy lines" as a pharma worker -
In my two decade plus career, I can't tell you the number of times (if I had to guess, I'd say about 10) I've been working on a project (clinical trial) and I've gotten the email "STOP ALL WORK ON PROJECT XXXXXXX IMMEDIATELY."
This happens due to a couple reasons - most of the time is a monkey dying, or even worse, a human test subject dying unexpectedly like what happened with one drug I was working on which, when combined with another concomitant medication typically taken by patients with the studied indication - leads to a condition which essentially killed the brain in 90 days flat.
But sometimes, and the most common type of cancelation is when the client's bean counters determined that they can't make up what it cost to conduct the drug development and research once the drug hits the market due to a variety of factors - most commonly the time left on the patent. Drugs typically take 12-14 years to make it through the FDA process.
In my two decade plus career, I can't tell you the number of times (if I had to guess, I'd say about 10) I've been working on a project (clinical trial) and I've gotten the email "STOP ALL WORK ON PROJECT XXXXXXX IMMEDIATELY."
This happens due to a couple reasons - most of the time is a monkey dying, or even worse, a human test subject dying unexpectedly like what happened with one drug I was working on which, when combined with another concomitant medication typically taken by patients with the studied indication - leads to a condition which essentially killed the brain in 90 days flat.
But sometimes, and the most common type of cancelation is when the client's bean counters determined that they can't make up what it cost to conduct the drug development and research once the drug hits the market due to a variety of factors - most commonly the time left on the patent. Drugs typically take 12-14 years to make it through the FDA process.
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 01:29 PM (WYStd)
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> In all honesty, these GLP-1's seem to be the closest we've had in a long time to a "miracle drug" but even they aren't perfect.
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 12:45 PM (WYStd)
I'm sure they aren't, but given that it mean I don't have to shoot insulin and do several finger sticks a day, "not perfect" is okay by me.
If it causes toenail cancer 30 years down the road.... well, I'm an old bastard who is pretty damned unlikely to be here in 30 years anyway.
Posted by: Defenestratus at May 12, 2025 12:45 PM (WYStd)
I'm sure they aren't, but given that it mean I don't have to shoot insulin and do several finger sticks a day, "not perfect" is okay by me.
If it causes toenail cancer 30 years down the road.... well, I'm an old bastard who is pretty damned unlikely to be here in 30 years anyway.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 01:30 PM (W5ArC)
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My understanding was they NEVER "needed" fetuses to get them.
Theodore Sturgeon of all people wrote a short story in the seventies (printed in the February and March 1980 issues of OMNI magazine) that sounds a lot like an allegory for the post-abortion research industry.
There’s this incredible technology used throughout the universe that allows for instant communication across worlds, which Earthlings find horrific due to the costs. The rest of the universe sees us as provincial.
But removing that horrific cost turned out to be so easy that even a non-specialist could find a non-horrific workaround once they asked the question, “how does this work?”
“Why Dolphins Don’t Bite”
Theodore Sturgeon of all people wrote a short story in the seventies (printed in the February and March 1980 issues of OMNI magazine) that sounds a lot like an allegory for the post-abortion research industry.
There’s this incredible technology used throughout the universe that allows for instant communication across worlds, which Earthlings find horrific due to the costs. The rest of the universe sees us as provincial.
But removing that horrific cost turned out to be so easy that even a non-specialist could find a non-horrific workaround once they asked the question, “how does this work?”
“Why Dolphins Don’t Bite”
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 12, 2025 01:31 PM (EXyHK)
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Student debt is a similar instance, if the people cannot pay, then the system will crash. Many of the same infirmities in higher ed as to cost and availability are similar to that of the health care industry.
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2025 01:23 PM (ctrM5)
saw a meme this morning:
I am not paying my student debt, they need to learn to be more responsible.
Who in their right mind loans $40,000 to an unemployed 17 year old?
Posted by: whig at May 12, 2025 01:23 PM (ctrM5)
saw a meme this morning:
I am not paying my student debt, they need to learn to be more responsible.
Who in their right mind loans $40,000 to an unemployed 17 year old?
Posted by: Kindltot at May 12, 2025 01:32 PM (D7oie)
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> You can get fetal stem cells from the umbilical cord of newborn babies.
Posted by: A face in the crowd.... at May 12, 2025 01:27 PM (vcOmj)
Just checked. Fetal stem cells, yes. Totipotent stem cells, no. That ship has sailed by the time the embryo implants and forms a placenta (but nowadays we can reverse that).
Posted by: A face in the crowd.... at May 12, 2025 01:27 PM (vcOmj)
Just checked. Fetal stem cells, yes. Totipotent stem cells, no. That ship has sailed by the time the embryo implants and forms a placenta (but nowadays we can reverse that).
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 01:33 PM (W5ArC)
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Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 01:19 PM (W5ArC)
Thanks I just learned something. I thought in 2004 when they were throwing around Michael J Fox they for sure didn't need them then but I'm obviously no expert.
Thanks I just learned something. I thought in 2004 when they were throwing around Michael J Fox they for sure didn't need them then but I'm obviously no expert.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 01:34 PM (M/gGe)
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A certain truth is what cannot go on will not go on. Many systems that we rely on in society show signs of going into terminal descent. Expect a lot of things to fail in the near future. Stay on your toes, dodge, and improvise. You can survive! Interesting times, indeed!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 12, 2025 01:34 PM (/HoPU)
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44 Starmer says he's closing the UK's borders and requiring immigrants to speak English.
It's the coke talking. He doesn't mean it.
It's the coke talking. He doesn't mean it.
Posted by: TecumsehTea at May 12, 2025 01:35 PM (Eo96p)
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Just checked. Fetal stem cells, yes. Totipotent stem cells, no. That ship has sailed by the time the embryo implants and forms a placenta (but nowadays we can reverse that).
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 01:33 PM (W5ArC)
I wonder if CRISPR could re-jigger stem cells to be totipotent.
I wonder why not, too.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at May 12, 2025 01:33 PM (W5ArC)
I wonder if CRISPR could re-jigger stem cells to be totipotent.
I wonder why not, too.
Posted by: Kindltot at May 12, 2025 01:36 PM (D7oie)
Posted by: Hint, hint at May 12, 2025 01:39 PM (4Lxlt)
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If you don't think the Left or Democrats were diabolical back in 2004, making shaky Michael J Fox the front man for their Abortion Quest (while of course selling baby parts) was demonic.
Posted by: ... at May 12, 2025 01:43 PM (M/gGe)
425
Pfizer can DIAFS.
They are making Josef Mengele jealous with the experimentation they are doing to Americans specifically and anyone that is 'fully boosted' with the MRNA vaccine they pushed in general worldwide.
They are making Josef Mengele jealous with the experimentation they are doing to Americans specifically and anyone that is 'fully boosted' with the MRNA vaccine they pushed in general worldwide.
Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at May 12, 2025 01:44 PM (tykPk)
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Bill Maher Says Democrats Went From “Men Can Have Babies” to “We Like the Terrorists”
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Next cannibalism for fun and profit?
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Next cannibalism for fun and profit?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Elephants and Earthquakes! at May 12, 2025 01:46 PM (L/fGl)
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No tears for Pharmaceutical companies.
Zero.
Don’t lecture me on recouping R and D costs as you use the government to mandate your expensive, unwelcome vaccines and Children’s Hospitals and Planned Parenthood to get our kids hooked on lifetime trans hormone blockers.
All good will was squandered.
Zero.
Don’t lecture me on recouping R and D costs as you use the government to mandate your expensive, unwelcome vaccines and Children’s Hospitals and Planned Parenthood to get our kids hooked on lifetime trans hormone blockers.
All good will was squandered.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2025 01:46 PM (Hkcdp)
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“Went from,,” Bill Maher?
They push both simultaneously and passionately, never recognizing the incompatibility of supporting deeply religious activists and their opposite, lgbtq activists.
They push both simultaneously and passionately, never recognizing the incompatibility of supporting deeply religious activists and their opposite, lgbtq activists.
Posted by: Lizzy at May 12, 2025 01:49 PM (Hkcdp)
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The drug store is going away as we know it because middleman profits have shrank to the degree that you have to have other sources of revenue.
Well, Walgreens is failing specifically because they've been horrendously mismanaged.
For real. The idiots in the C-Suite of that company all deserve to be launched into the sun for a bunch of the idiocy they've pulled.
Well, Walgreens is failing specifically because they've been horrendously mismanaged.
For real. The idiots in the C-Suite of that company all deserve to be launched into the sun for a bunch of the idiocy they've pulled.
Posted by: GMan at May 12, 2025 01:51 PM (GfWuY)
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Sirs and Madams,
It is imperative we stick to Conservative principles such as free trade at any price and expensive drugs for Americans. If we don’t the terrorists will win. Now let’s go spread some freedom around the world.
Sincerely
- 2003 Conservatism
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 12:23 PM (e4LaW)
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By which you mean bomb the living shit out of someone, right?
It is imperative we stick to Conservative principles such as free trade at any price and expensive drugs for Americans. If we don’t the terrorists will win. Now let’s go spread some freedom around the world.
Sincerely
- 2003 Conservatism
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at May 12, 2025 12:23 PM (e4LaW)
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By which you mean bomb the living shit out of someone, right?
Posted by: Defense contractors want their cut too at May 12, 2025 01:54 PM (FCbAQ)
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All good news.
More important, and I hope it is mentioned at some point, the USA needs to build drug manufacturing in this country.
During covid I realized where meds come from: a lot from India or chy na. I want USA made drugs.
In addition to pumping oil, making steel, and all President Trump's other ideas are to make us strong again...make our drugs again.
More important, and I hope it is mentioned at some point, the USA needs to build drug manufacturing in this country.
During covid I realized where meds come from: a lot from India or chy na. I want USA made drugs.
In addition to pumping oil, making steel, and all President Trump's other ideas are to make us strong again...make our drugs again.
Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at May 12, 2025 02:34 PM (6PCLE)
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The Pharma corps can cut the sales force and advertising and trim the salaries of their top 100 executives and be good to go.
Merge some companies.
Cut out the wholesalers, and middleman.
Get logistics, production, and everything else more efficient.
Use AI more in R&D work.
If other countries can pay slightly more for their supply, fine. It should drop our costs, too.
But the days of gold raining out of every American’s wallet to pay outrageous prices for medications needs to come to an end.
You can start by forcing the posting of prices for every drug by every manufacturer and pharmacy so Americans can all understand wtf the final price is.
Healthcare is the only industry in the country where you get huge bills, with unknown pricing, after the fact.
Stop that now and we can begin to add competition when people look at actual prices and say: “Screw that, I’m going somewhere cheaper!”
There are plenty of ways to work this out.
Merge some companies.
Cut out the wholesalers, and middleman.
Get logistics, production, and everything else more efficient.
Use AI more in R&D work.
If other countries can pay slightly more for their supply, fine. It should drop our costs, too.
But the days of gold raining out of every American’s wallet to pay outrageous prices for medications needs to come to an end.
You can start by forcing the posting of prices for every drug by every manufacturer and pharmacy so Americans can all understand wtf the final price is.
Healthcare is the only industry in the country where you get huge bills, with unknown pricing, after the fact.
Stop that now and we can begin to add competition when people look at actual prices and say: “Screw that, I’m going somewhere cheaper!”
There are plenty of ways to work this out.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at May 12, 2025 02:41 PM (6ydKt)
433
Kennedy should push thru the ban on Pharma ads on TV ... will kill the MSM since 50% + of their ad revenue is from Pharma
Posted by: The Dark Lord at May 12, 2025 04:23 PM (DBAaD)
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Maybe if we didn't have such a useless congress, we'd have a president who wasn't forced into Doing the Right Thing by executive order.
Posted by: rvkp at May 12, 2025 05:32 PM (3A2Vm)
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