Gun Thread: Mother's Day Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Holy Hallmark Shitballs! It's our festive annual Mother's Day Edition where it only seems fitting to pay tribute to the shooting Mom's in our lives, so Happy Mother's Day to all of you Mom's out there! In fact, all the shooting 'ettes deserve a special day of their own, don't you think?! Ma Barker, pictured above, certainly fits the definition of a shooting mom... or did she? While there is some question regarding her level of participation in the "gang" bearing her name, some of her sons were unquestionably familiar with firearms. In any event, it's an interesting story, some of which is chronicled at the Oklahoma Historical Society's website, and Wikipedia even has some interesting things to say on the subject.

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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FUNdamentals of a Good Guy

I think this is the appropriate place to remember our pal Jim Sunk New Dawn, who passed away this week. I first met Jim in person at TXMoMe II when and where he became not just a friend, but an integral part of each subsequent TXMoMe's shooting program. Jim could do it all; whether serving as an instructor, a coach, an RSO or just happily sharing his knowledge of guns and shooting in general. No task was too large or small, and Jim helped countless shooters have a good time on the handgun and rifle ranges with a big smile on his face all the while.

Jim was one of the most generous people I have known. Not only did he freely offer his decades of experience gained as a military and competitive shooter with good humor, he was constantly and quietly doing something kind or selfless for those around him. I was able to observe some of these efforts first-hand and was constantly amazed at the innovative ways Jim found to do nice things for others.

Jim loved the people of this blog and was a great friend and supporter of the Gun Thread, and like so many others was taken from us far too soon. Please join me in remembering him in the comments tonight.

Until next time, Amigo.

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This Direction This Went Seemed Unnecessary

I suppose it's possible part of the RSO's job is checking that people have signed in and paid for range time. The guy with the group was immediately a wee teensy defensive, and then RSO guy upped the ante by bucking-up and looking for a fight. Seems to me like a case of two knuckleheads which never mixes well with firearms.

So what do you all think? When is it a good idea to check your ego and attitude? Have you had an adversarial encounter at the range? Let's discuss in the comments.

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Hickok45

10mm vs 45 ACP!

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Finally!
A flying bicycle!

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Ax Weasel

Q: Weasel, how does the Large Hadron Collider work?
A: Same as a Small Hadron Collider. Duh.

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Highway Patrol

This week's episode is Mother's March (for crippled children)

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Invasion USA!

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2025 NoVAMoMe

Note: One of the great joys of NoVAMoMe season, at least for me, is being able to cut and paste the entire block of text below and haranguing you to attend the event. Are you attending? Are you focusing on the fundamentals of attending?

Alright, guys and gals, the long awaited and highly anticipated details of the 2025 NoVAMoMe are here! That's right, I finally got my act together and updated the information page for 2025, and need to go over a few details. First, the date is June 21st, 2025. Nextly, my bestest blog buddy bluebell and I have decided 2025 will be a year of NoVAMoMe simplification, and want to pass along the changes from prior years.

First, no more registration and no more advance charge for food. If you would like to attend, send an email to WeaselBell Productions, and let us know. You will be directed to a sekrit webpage with all of the details. We do ask once you have decided to attend to let us know so we can coordinate an expected count with venue management. Once there if you are hungry or thirsty simply order from the onsite menu and pay separately. Cash and credit cards accepted. Next, although fun, we have decided to take a break from the raffles and mug sales this year. Depending on how it goes, that may be something we bring back in future years. While your generosity is always appreciated, with no prize table, please leave donations and contributions at home, but bring your appetite for a great afternoon spent with your imaginary online friends.

A NoVAMoMe PSA from our pal bluebell

Hi folks - just a quick PSA. If you write for info about the MoMe, please give us a few words in the body of the email just so I know you are a Moron and not a spammer (moron). I do receive spam on this email account because it's sitting right here in my nic, so that's why I'm asking. I don't want to give our details to a spammer. Also, remember to check your spam folder if you don't receive a reply email.
Thanks.
bluebell

Seriously, just send an email then go to the website with the password provided. If you forget, a link to the email is on the main page, left sidebar. If you do not sign up, bluebell will be disappointed. Weasel will be disappointed, too, but it's bluebell you need to worry about.

That's it, people. Email WeaselBell Productions today!

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Cigar of the Week

This week our pal rhomboid scores again with this excellent review of the Arturo Fuente Hemingway Signature

Arturo Fuente is one of the big and honored names in cigars, and their Hemingway line is very popular. I tried the Signature, a 6 X 46 figurado (pointy at both ends), which sports a handsome Cameroon wrapper. Binder and filler both from the Dominican Republic, where it is rolled. Smoke was ample, draw was easy, burn line required some management to keep straight (I tend to manage the line when trying a stick for the first time, as wrapper plays a big part in overall profile). For me things started off with wood notes, a subtle sweetness, and a tangy finish. By mid-stick, wood and leather dominated, with the sweet note making intermittent appearances. A solid medium in strength. The Hemingway Signature can be found online for $9 and up.

Excellent, rhomboid! Thank you!

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com
Nicks Cigar World New!

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 RIP Jim Sunk New Dawn

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 11, 2025 07:00 PM (0XVad)

2 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at May 11, 2025 07:00 PM (ypFCm)

3 Nand

Posted by: Eromero at May 11, 2025 07:00 PM (LHPAg)

4 There are many shooting 'Ettes who have one or more Small People.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 11, 2025 07:01 PM (Vqx30)

5 nandalay bangers

Posted by: Eromero at May 11, 2025 07:01 PM (LHPAg)

6 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at May 11, 2025 07:03 PM (AiJK3)

7 Nice remembrance of Jim, Weasel.

Thanks again for the thread.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 11, 2025 07:04 PM (tT6L1)

8 There are many shooting 'Ettes who have one or more Small People.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 11, 2025 07:01 PM (Vqx30)
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Yeah, and a lot of the shooting 'ettes are small people themselves.

Nurse, Sharon and SiD come to mind.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 11, 2025 07:06 PM (tT6L1)

9 Ok, you read Weasel's find content before commenting, right?

And you've very astutely noticed something missing, right?

That's right. There's no whinging, crying, complaining, or micturating and moaning. None. He's manfully borne the fact that WE failed him last week.

Rumor has it that the Monday 0700 hrs. EDT Zoom call was epic in a bad way, what with Ace being fresh off of a week's vacation. Can you spell vituperation? I knew you could.

Let's not let it happen this week, 'kay?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 11, 2025 07:06 PM (0sNs1)

10 I will lift a wee dram for Jim tonight.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 11, 2025 07:07 PM (/y8xj)

11 find = fine.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 11, 2025 07:07 PM (0sNs1)

12 Jim SND lost the number of his mess way too soon.
Fair Winds and Following Seas, Jim. I look forward to lifting a glass with you some day on that distant shore.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at May 11, 2025 07:07 PM (Hdixl)

13 RIP Jim Sunk New Dawn
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 11, 2025 07:00 PM (0XVad)

Second that! It was an honor to have known him.

I am wondering. Would it be out of line for me to suggest that one day of the next TX MoMee be declared Hawaiian Shirt Day, and all the men attending be encouraged to wear a Hawaiian shirt to honor Jim's memory?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 11, 2025 07:08 PM (0zCeC)

14 A toast to Jim's memory. RIP.

Posted by: Ed L at May 11, 2025 07:08 PM (AiJK3)

15 No range report this week, unless you want a golf driving range report. :-p

Doing my civic duty this week by doing jury duty. Somehow I was the first juror picked for this case. Took them another week to fill out the jury. Not looking forward to this.

May take out the stress by going to a close by range and practice FUNdamentals.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 11, 2025 07:09 PM (0XVad)

16 Again, no range report due to lack of barrel for the '06. However, I have spent the time constructively by reading a couple of books on reading wind, that being something I'm woefully deficient at. I now have a plan and will put it into practice by the end of next week.

Mainly because if the barrel doesn't arrive soon, I will be forced to purchase a rifle suitable for competition, due to some upcoming commitments I need to get ready for.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 11, 2025 07:10 PM (tT6L1)

17 Never met Jim NSD but as with many here for over a decade you feel you have.
A scotch in his honor

Posted by: Skip at May 11, 2025 07:11 PM (ypFCm)

18 Jim had a very memorable style of posting.

And it always ended with his sign-off Jim from Sunk New Dawn.

Posted by: coyne at May 11, 2025 07:11 PM (/N6b1)

19 I am wondering. Would it be out of line for me to suggest that one day of the next TX MoMee be declared Hawaiian Shirt Day, and all the men attending be encouraged to wear a Hawaiian shirt to honor Jim's memory?

A most cromulent suggestion. Seconded.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 11, 2025 07:11 PM (/y8xj)

20 Second that! It was an honor to have known him.

I am wondering. Would it be out of line for me to suggest that one day of the next TX MoMee be declared Hawaiian Shirt Day, and all the men attending be encouraged to wear a Hawaiian shirt to honor Jim's memory?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 11, 2025 07:08 PM (0zCeC)

Great idea, AOP!

Rest in peace, Jim Sunk New Dawn. Grieved that you are gone from us too soon, but rejoicing that you no longer suffer and have ascended to Valhalla.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at May 11, 2025 07:12 PM (v23vE)

21 13 and all the men attending be encouraged to wear a Hawaiian shirt to honor Jim's memory?

I think that is an excellent idea!! Now to see if I have any Hawaiian shirts that fit me. If not, off to the store!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 11, 2025 07:13 PM (0XVad)

22 I think AOP has an excellent idea and I heartily endorse. Now, all I have to do is remember to get the shirt.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 11, 2025 07:15 PM (tT6L1)

23 Nice memorial post Weasel. Has to hit you pretty hard writing up those comments but you did a great job.

Jim will be missed here.

Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 07:16 PM (ctrM5)

24 The guy with the group was immediately a wee teensy defensive, and then RSO guy upped the ante by bucking-up and looking for a fight. Seems to me like a case of two knuckleheads which never mixes well with firearms.

So what do you all think? When is it a good idea to check your ego and attitude?
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The range I belong to has a basic rule -

Anyone can challange anyone to show their membership card.
This is on top of wearing it on a neck lanyard.

I don't get there enough to get challanged but I think the rule is to keep everyone humble and take some ownership. It's a private club and their induction seminare they'll tell some anecdotes.
One being that they have only expelled one member ever - fellow member said, "Hey, standing over here it seems those home loads are a bit hot, maybe you should put them aside...". Nope... Then guy blew up his gun and got kicked out because an said observer something not right and he ignored it.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 11, 2025 07:17 PM (/lPRQ)

25 Very nice and heartfelt tribute to JSND, Weasel.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 11, 2025 07:17 PM (mH6SG)

26 Pouring one out for Jim SND.

He was a good Moron.

Memory eternal.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 11, 2025 07:18 PM (Wnv9h)

27 Oh you can get Hawaiian shirts up to 6XL, easy. The natives tend to the large size, traditionally. Try Hilo Hattie’s online.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 11, 2025 07:18 PM (cK4Fj)

28 16 Again, no range report due to lack of barrel for the '06. However, I have spent the time constructively by reading a couple of books on reading wind, that being something I'm woefully deficient at. I now have a plan and will put it into practice by the end of next week.

Mainly because if the barrel doesn't arrive soon, I will be forced to purchase a rifle suitable for competition, due to some upcoming commitments I need to get ready for.
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Custom competition barrel? Sorry you are having issues. Since Covid, offshoring, along with skilled labor shortages, did a number of customers getting their goodies on time.

Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 07:18 PM (ctrM5)

29 Jim would construct his posts kind of poetically and usually end them with a note of humor. A real wordsmith.

Posted by: coyne at May 11, 2025 07:19 PM (/N6b1)

30 Aloha, Jim Sunk New Dawn.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 11, 2025 07:19 PM (cK4Fj)

31 Custom competition barrel? Sorry you are having issues. Since Covid, offshoring, along with skilled labor shortages, did a number of customers getting their goodies on time.
Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 07:18 PM (ctrM5)
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Yes, it is special order but I'm going on week 24 of what was supposed to be a 20 week lead time. Ah well, just have to be patient.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 11, 2025 07:20 PM (tT6L1)

32 Nobody around here really wants the Barrel. I don’t know what to say to you.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 11, 2025 07:21 PM (cK4Fj)

33 Weasel, that was beautiful. I remember you and Jim building targets for MoMe 2.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 11, 2025 07:22 PM (NVNRw)

34 24 The guy with the group was immediately a wee teensy defensive, and then RSO guy upped the ante by bucking-up and looking for a fight. Seems to me like a case of two knuckleheads which never mixes well with firearms.

So what do you all think? When is it a good idea to check your ego and attitude?
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Always good to stow your ego whether working on equipment, using power tools, or shooting. FWIW, when I got to actively shoot, I always went on days and times when few people are about. Never had any problems with RSOs ever.

The public DNR ranges around here have a real problem as there are not monitored nor have any range safety officers. Common for people to be down range retrieving their targets and newcomers start shooting downrange.

The indoor ranges often have people imagining they are in a those idiotic mag dump movies or they emulate the gangsta image by shooting sideways and other ignorant things.

I leave promptly when the dumb and sloppy show up. I cordially hate them as that is often why we cannot have nice things at the indoor range like drawing from holsters or patterning shotguns.

Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 07:24 PM (ctrM5)

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Posted by: Ben Had at May 11, 2025 07:22 PM (NVNRw)
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Yep! That was exactly what I was thinking of, too! Thank you.

Hey, give me a call if you have a quick minute.

Posted by: Weasel at May 11, 2025 07:24 PM (Y4VCL)

36 Weasel, that was beautiful. I remember you and Jim building targets for MoMe 2.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 11, 2025 07:22 PM (NVNRw)

Did Weasel bring a few trees from his organic tree farm?

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at May 11, 2025 07:25 PM (VNX3d)

37 I know this is OT, but I got willowed in the last thread and don’t want to waste all the typing, and maybe it will lighten the mood as well:

225 Sounds like the restaurant that claimed it could supply a steak of any animal. Customer comes in and wants an elephant steak. The maitre d’ comes over and explains that they only have one elephant, and would rather not slaughter him for just one customer. He suggests the customer try gnu instead. “Ok,” says the customer, “I’ll try that!”. So the waiter takes his order back to the kitchen, and a time later comes back with a succulent steak, cooked to perfection. The customer sets to eating with gusto, and enjoys it immensely. When he is finished, he calls the maitre d’ over and says “That was great, I thoroughly enjoyed it, but come on, admit it: that wasn’t gnu, was it?”
“Well,” said the maitre d’, “you have to admit, it was just as good as gnu!”

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 11, 2025 07:25 PM (cK4Fj)

38 Yes, it is special order but I'm going on week 24 of what was supposed to be a 20 week lead time. Ah well, just have to be patient.
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If it is handlapped, the moon might not be in the right phase and the eye of newts might be in short supply. Hope you get it soon.

Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 07:25 PM (ctrM5)

39 Howdy!

RIP, Jim SND

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at May 11, 2025 07:28 PM (sAmhv)

40 Jim was one of the long time posters here who used words really well. It's a short list and Jim is on it.

Posted by: coyne at May 11, 2025 07:28 PM (/N6b1)

41 Well, since the forecast rain has yet to arrive, going to go back outside and putter.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 11, 2025 07:28 PM (0zCeC)

42 15 No range report this week, unless you want a golf driving range report. :-p

Doing my civic duty this week by doing jury duty. Somehow I was the first juror picked for this case. Took them another week to fill out the jury. Not looking forward to this.

May take out the stress by going to a close by range and practice FUNdamentals.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude
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Hopefully it is not a shooting murder trial.

My last call about two years ago for jury duty was humorous. Case involved compensation for eminent domain and the city attorney knew my background and promptly had me explain what I taught and any experiences with the law, accounting, business practices, etc.

He did it all so that the plaintiff's attorney had to burn an juror strike on me. So I did not get seated for the trial.

Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 07:29 PM (ctrM5)

43 OK, Weasel, I listened to your advice. I went to the range for a ladies shooting class today (my mother's day gift to myself.) The last time I shot a pistol I was pregnant with my eldest child, and she will be 40 in November. I had a great time and have already signed up for another class next month.

Posted by: Frankie at May 11, 2025 07:30 PM (VK0vR)

44 OK, Weasel, I listened to your advice. I went to the range for a ladies shooting class today (my mother's day gift to myself.) The last time I shot a pistol I was pregnant with my eldest child, and she will be 40 in November. I had a great time and have already signed up for another class next month.
Posted by: Frankie at May 11, 2025 07:30 PM

Taken your first steps, you have, in the Way of the Weasel.

Posted by: Yoda at May 11, 2025 07:31 PM (Wnv9h)

45 43 OK, Weasel, I listened to your advice. I went to the range for a ladies shooting class today (my mother's day gift to myself.) The last time I shot a pistol I was pregnant with my eldest child, and she will be 40 in November. I had a great time and have already signed up for another class next month.
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Women often benefit far more than men from those classes. Women are more teachable in most cases while quite a few guys let their ego get involved. But, I also advise that husbands should let others teach their wives with rare exceptions.

Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 07:33 PM (ctrM5)

46 Posted by: Frankie at May 11, 2025 07:30 PM (VK0vR)

Congratulations, Frankie!

Posted by: Ed L at May 11, 2025 07:34 PM (AiJK3)

47 Women often benefit far more than men from those classes. Women are more teachable in most cases while quite a few guys let their ego get involved. But, I also advise that husbands should let others teach their wives with rare exceptions.
Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 07:33 PM

Truth.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 11, 2025 07:35 PM (Wnv9h)

48 I've seen some RSOs with an attitude at a range at which I used to shoot, but nobody as belligerent as the guy in the pickup truck. A five dollar fee is not worth fisticuffs, especially in the presence of loaded firearms.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at May 11, 2025 07:36 PM (v23vE)

49 Posted by: Frankie at May 11, 2025 07:30 PM (VK0vR)
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EXCELLENT! Congratulations! Please let us know how it goes!

Posted by: Weasel at May 11, 2025 07:37 PM (64qRd)

50 Pretty sure I wouldn’t want that shooter at my range, and would never have that RSO on my crew. WTF? About both of them.

So far never really had a problem shooter. Worst experience yet was another (off duty) RSO who had brought people as students to teach (handgun). Unbelievable attitude and manner. Of course his day was noted, so as to avoid.

My crew are all easygoing guys, no need really to tell them “customer is always right” when it comes to courtesy and being friendly - of course safety and range rules set the limits. We lost one of our key guys not long ago, but we still offer not just friendly service but help on sighting in optics, clearing jams, and even small repairs on occasion.

Last month had a Russian-speaking Romanian immigrant family in, they helped translating basic range commands, I stayed late so they could finish their intended course of fir, and they all became members.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 07:37 PM (1m82a)

51 First, how is it that EVERY. SINGLE. YEAR, Gun Thread happens on Mother's Day? Weird, huh?

Second, I will drink to Jim SND tonight.

Third, if pullies are so great, why aren't there any in guns?

Fourth, if you don't know how a hadron works, you should probably talk to your parents, not learn about it on the internet, you know>

Hi y'all.

Posted by: GWB at May 11, 2025 07:38 PM (HnHlg)

52 Some sources claim Ma Barker couldn't organize a picnic, let alone a bank robbery.

From what I've read about Ms. Barker, I tend to believe she was, shall we say, simple?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 11, 2025 07:38 PM (tT6L1)

53 I had a bad experience at an Ohio state-supported outdoor range: I was intending to get an initial zero on a new rifle scope on an AR-15. I was set up with a target at 25 yards, had a bench rest and sand bags.

Some dude claiming to be a range office then storms up with a bad attitude saying, "This is a pistol range!!!!" (We're outdoors and the range is not marked that way). I point to the set up, tell him that I'm sighting in a new scope, and ask, "Does it look like I don't know what I'm doing?" This dude then yells, "Five rounds only!" and stomps off.

Rather than have anymore problems with this a$$hole, I packed up and left. I'd been there before, but had never seen a range officer previously. I understand that an RSO can deal with idiots and careless people, but this dude definitely had a chip on his shoulder.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 11, 2025 07:38 PM (pJWtt)

54 BREAKING:

President Trump expected to rename San Andreas Fault to Joe Bidens Fault.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at May 11, 2025 07:38 PM (VNX3d)

55 Fuente Hemingway? Great stick.

Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at May 11, 2025 07:39 PM (aeiyZ)

56 48 I've seen some RSOs with an attitude at a range at which I used to shoot, but nobody as belligerent as the guy in the pickup truck. A five dollar fee is not worth fisticuffs, especially in the presence of loaded firearms.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless)
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Rory Miller calls it the Monkey Dance and there are less pleasant names for it. But all it takes to escalate is one guy intent on getting his way and other guy(s) feeling they will lose face if he does.

I have seen a few RSO that have the respect muh authoritah! attitude. But a soft answer turneth away wrath. Not worth it for most public confrontations if they can be avoided.

Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 07:40 PM (ctrM5)

57 OK, Weasel, I listened to your advice. I went to the range for a ladies shooting class today (my mother's day gift to myself.) The last time I shot a pistol I was pregnant with my eldest child, and she will be 40 in November. I had a great time and have already signed up for another class next month.
Posted by: Frankie at May 11, 2025 07:30 PM
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Good job, youngster! (I say that because my youngest is just over 40)

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 11, 2025 07:40 PM (tT6L1)

58 Can we talk about suppressors for a bit? With the chance -- I’m not ready to say likelihood -- of getting them removed from the NFA, I’ve started to get a little can-curious and I got a few questions.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 11, 2025 07:40 PM (/y8xj)

59 Oddbob, you need to talk to NZFrank. He has mentioned joining us for MoMe X.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 11, 2025 07:41 PM (NVNRw)

60 Good evening, Ben! I am looking forward to my hug in October!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 11, 2025 07:42 PM (tT6L1)

61 Oddbob, you need to talk to NZFrank. He has mentioned joining us for MoMe X.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 11, 2025 07:41 PM

Nice!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 11, 2025 07:43 PM (Wnv9h)

62 47 Women often benefit far more than men from those classes. Women are more teachable in most cases while quite a few guys let their ego get involved. But, I also advise that husbands should let others teach their wives with rare exceptions.
Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 07:33 PM

Absolutely, but some safety tips are essential: my late mother-in-law used to think it was funny how everyone at the range ducked down when she turned around with gun in hand. She would listen to a word of advice, but I let my dear wife take her aside and explain. Not me. Still liked the dear woman, anyway.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 11, 2025 07:43 PM (cK4Fj)

63 {{ Ben Had }}

Good idea. Hey maybe he can get me a Moron discount if we're not tariffing NZ at 200%.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 11, 2025 07:44 PM (/y8xj)

64 Lotsa douchey assholedom to go around in that video. RSO could have handled it better in the first place, but shooting team was the first to escalate. The fact they were there seemingly to get video for social media was my first clue they were almost looking for a confrontation. I suspect there’s more to this story.

Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at May 11, 2025 07:44 PM (aeiyZ)

65 Can we talk about suppressors for a bit? With the chance -- I’m not ready to say likelihood -- of getting them removed from the NFA, I’ve started to get a little can-curious and I got a few questions.
Posted by: Oddbob at May 11, 2025 07:40 PM (/y8xj)

Does anybody have experience with Silencer Central? They seem to have the process made simple. What about their "Banish" line of suppressors? Any good?

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at May 11, 2025 07:45 PM (Hdixl)

66 I would likely kick that shooter off the range/refund their money, but also would reco that RSO be not just “fired” but also banned from the range.

Our day is friendly enough that we have word-of-mouth sign-ups coming in. Hoping this week we’ll have another SEAL join - it would make 3 months in a row (all based on recos from their buddies).

Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 07:45 PM (1m82a)

67 Anybody have good luck with Mantis X?

I've an HK45 and need improvement.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 11, 2025 07:45 PM (KiBMU)

68 blake, I can't wait !

Posted by: Ben Had at May 11, 2025 07:46 PM (NVNRw)

69 Does anybody have experience with Silencer Central? They seem to have the process made simple. What about their "Banish" line of suppressors? Any good?
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at May 11, 2025 07:45 PM

*raised hand*

*responds from MA*

No! I dont!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 11, 2025 07:48 PM (Wnv9h)

70 58 Can we talk about suppressors for a bit? With the chance -- I’m not ready to say likelihood -- of getting them removed from the NFA, I’ve started to get a little can-curious and I got a few questions.
Posted by: Oddbob

Pat Sweeney, long time competitive shooter, former gunsmith, and firearms columnist has a whole book about them from A-Z from Gun Digest. PewPew tactical website has regular updates as the tech is moving really fast.
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I can answer some basic questions but others here have much more practical experience with them than I.

But, make sure your rimfire silencers are serviceable by the user as they get dirty quick, center fire pistol suppressors are in the middle on the dirty scale, and rifle suppressors are mostly like gas tubes on ARs--self cleaning if you avoid using cast bullets or really low power dirty loads.

The other is get a calibrated rod for your combo of suppressor and barrel. Off center installs or improper reassembly can result in baffle strikes which is not a good thing.

Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 07:48 PM (ctrM5)

71 Scuba Dude/Whig, I've been seated on a jury only once. The place: Pennington County, SD. Defendant was tried for multiple counts, including two counts of horse thievery. He'd stolen a rancher's pickup w/ two-horse trailer in Rapid City in the 4-H show's parking lot. The public defender pointed out that horse thievery was still a capital offense punishable only by hanging in SD under Dakota Territory laws from the 1870s. But as a public defender, he hadn't been notified that he had to try a capital case that day. The prosecutor was embarrassed, but didn't want to stipulate to a lengthy delay to allow the public defender to prepare for a capital case. The public defender then suggested dropping the two counts of horse thievery and substituting two charges of grand theft instead. The prosecutor agreed. Instantly, the public defender changed his client's plea to guilty. Judge banged the gavel. Case closed.

Posted by: Ed L at May 11, 2025 07:49 PM (AiJK3)

72 A gun tackle is a pulley used with a gun!

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 11, 2025 07:49 PM (cK4Fj)

73 May take out the stress by going to a close by range and practice FUNdamentals.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 11, 2025 07:09 PM (0XVad)

Put the name of the defense attorney (or the prosecutor) on your target. It will be a short tour on the jury.

Posted by: GWB at May 11, 2025 07:50 PM (HnHlg)

74 A gun tackle is a pulley used with a gun!
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 11, 2025 07:49 PM

I thought it was how defense responds to a shotgun formation.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 11, 2025 07:51 PM (Wnv9h)

75 Good one, RedMindBlueState!

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 11, 2025 07:53 PM (cK4Fj)

76 Too late to say I H8 daylight savings time? Bedtime and sun is shining through window.
Have a great evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at May 11, 2025 07:53 PM (ypFCm)

77 Does anybody have experience with Silencer Central? They seem to have the process made simple. What about their "Banish" line of suppressors? Any good?
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen

FIL used them with no problems. E entry wait times are a LOT less than they used to be. But, FIL was too stingy and in a hurry to do a firearm trust and as a result, it has been a nightmare since he died to deal with. BIL wants the suppressors but hasn't done his due diligence to get the transfer done. So they are in a locked safe sitting until he does what he needs to do.

Wife is about ready to call the cops to the house for them to legally take custody of them as even touching them as heirs is in a very bad gray legal area.

Do it right, create a firearm trust on those couple of suppressors, if not the rest of the firearms, so you can easily transfer them to heirs for sale or retention. You have to pay another $200 buck transfer fee stamp and go through the paperwork again otherwise to transfer them to a firearm's trust later.

Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 07:53 PM (ctrM5)

78 Women often benefit far more than men from those classes. Women are more teachable in most cases while quite a few guys let their ego get involved. But, I also advise that husbands should let others teach their wives with rare exceptions.
Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 07:33 PM

Truth.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 11, 2025 07:35 PM (Wnv9h)
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Agree. I don’t have a lot of range experience, but I teach racing and sometimes skiing. It’s almost always better if the wife/girlfriend learns from someone else, away from the husband/boyfriend. Less pressure, and the interference from the guy (even if well intentioned) is almost always counterproductive.

Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at May 11, 2025 07:54 PM (aeiyZ)

79 Pat Sweeney, long time competitive shooter, former gunsmith, and firearms columnist has a whole book about them from A-Z from Gun Digest.

Found it on Amazon. Kindle version: 10 bucks. Paper: $75!! Checking Thriftbooks....

Posted by: Oddbob at May 11, 2025 07:54 PM (/y8xj)

80 gun tackle
noun
: a block-and-tackle arrangement formerly used for running a gun carriage to and from a gun part or raising or lowering a gun

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 11, 2025 07:56 PM (cK4Fj)

81 EdL, great story!

Last time I was called I was called upstairs (damn) and seated in the initial 12 (double damn). When judge asked about previous trial experiences a humorous remark led to the judge and both sets of lawyers grilling me about a big int’l case in which I was involved. The rest of the pool looked on with curiosity, and after 5 minutes of this decidedly off-topic discussion, judge says “fascinating, juror 9, thanks for sharing that - you’re dismissed!”.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 07:57 PM (1m82a)

82 Gun Question ... I run a Ruger 1911. It operates flawlessly - no misfires in over 1,000 rounds.

BUT ... whenever I drop the mag and clear the chamber ... it "crimps" the unspent round. Compresses the projectile back into the casing. Anyone else have this happen ? Should I send it in ?

Posted by: Fast Eddie Felson at May 11, 2025 07:59 PM (/4KOd)

83 Oddbob, what are you planning to suppress? I suggest starting w/ pistols or pistol caliber carbines. My recommendation would be the MP5 clone as the platform because the H&K tri-lug muzzle adapter gives you one of the best positive locks that won't "walk" off the barrel under heavy shooting. The big disadvantage of threaded barrels is the that a suppressor will slowly come off and loosen from its position as more and more shots get fired through it. The H&K tri-lug on the MP5 platform doesn't have that problem. Also, the difference a suppressor makes is much more evident w/ pistol rounds than rifle rounds (w/ some exceptions). Using subsonic ammo, you might even be able to ditch ear protection when using a suppressor outdoors.

Posted by: Ed L at May 11, 2025 07:59 PM (AiJK3)

84 Do it right, create a firearm trust on those couple of suppressors...

That was exactly one of the questions I had. Thanks.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 11, 2025 07:59 PM (/y8xj)

85 The rest of the pool looked on with curiosity, and after 5 minutes of this decidedly off-topic discussion, judge says “fascinating, juror 9, thanks for sharing that - you’re dismissed!”.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 07:57 PM (1m82a)

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Heh, I was called to jury duty and right up front mentioned jury nullification. And the stupid defense lawyer, for some reason, decided to challenge me. I was thinking, "Seriously? I'm probably a great chance for your defendant and you're coming after me?"

I was dismissed, fortunately. I wanted no part of that particular trial.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 11, 2025 08:00 PM (tT6L1)

86 OK, Weasel, I listened to your advice. I went to the range for a ladies shooting class today (my mother's day gift to myself.) The last time I shot a pistol I was pregnant with my eldest child, and she will be 40 in November. I had a great time and have already signed up for another class next month.
Posted by: Frankie at May 11, 2025 07:30 PM

Was there a dress code?

Turtle necks and full length pants that drape over shoes are ideal.
Definitely no to the halter tops and go-go boots. Both tend to catch hot brass.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 11, 2025 08:01 PM (/lPRQ)

87 Second, I will drink to Jim SND tonight.
Posted by: GWB at May 11, 2025 07:38 PM (HnHlg)

Poured a shot of my James T Kirk bourbon. I think Jim would have liked that.

Too many have gone before, and too many will go after. That he was among us was the goodness we remember.

Posted by: GWB at May 11, 2025 08:01 PM (HnHlg)

88 Posted by: Ed L

The time I got seated before the last jury summons, was a Respect Muh Authoritah! pissing match between the police and a defendant. Real Keystone cops behavior. And humorously enough, the only key question that the prosecutor and defense attorney wanted to know was familiarity with a certain area. That is because the area was known for drug sales. Anyway the cop was following some suspects, the driver pulled into a driveway and all the other occupants fled. The driver, however, went and sat down in a garden chair on the front porch.

Then you have the cop screaming at the defendant (which turned out to be his parent's house--so they came out), more popo came to the cop's assistance, the crowd around grew to watch the show as these cops could not pull the guy out of the steel lawn chair he was sitting in and he refused to get out of the chair. The cops involved were big guys--over six feet and husky. The defendant was 6 ft 8 or 9 and mebbe 350 lbs of muscle. Ed Too Tall Jones comes to mind. So the case was obstruction and for disorderly. We convicted on the second and not guilty on the first.
A two year sentence was too much for the obstruction charge.

Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 08:02 PM (ctrM5)

89 There is that wierd AK the Russians made that has a pully in in it. AN94 or something. Fires 3 shots at a time.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 11, 2025 08:02 PM (b4o9z)

90 Both tend to catch hot brass.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 11, 2025 08:01 PM

Hot brass...it is a bitch.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 11, 2025 08:02 PM (Wnv9h)

91 Worst hot brass is 22lr. They get hot as hell and they go way down in there.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 11, 2025 08:04 PM (b4o9z)

92 RIP, Jim SND.

No range report. I am out on a secret mission. I will have a “special” range report next week.

Posted by: RI Red at May 11, 2025 08:04 PM (9qDFL)

93 I had a shot of Crown Royal Apple when I got home from work when I heard about Jim SND. It wasn’t bourbon but I’m sure he would have appreciated the gesture.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 11, 2025 08:04 PM (vm8sq)

94 Worst hot brass is 22lr. They get hot as hell and they go way down in there.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 11, 2025 08:04 PM

Oh, hell yes. Got one stuck under the tongue of a boat shoe once (yeah...I did a dumb). Nice blister.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 11, 2025 08:05 PM (Wnv9h)

95 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 11, 2025 07:38 PM (tT6L1)

I don't care what you say about Ma Barker, but you best not badmouth Angie Dickinson! (Or William Shatner!)

Posted by: GWB at May 11, 2025 08:05 PM (HnHlg)

96 No range report. I am out on a secret mission. I will have a “special” range report next week.
Posted by: RI Red at May 11, 2025 08:04 PM

Got my NH ammo yesterday.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 11, 2025 08:05 PM (Wnv9h)

97 Wife is about ready to call the cops to the house for them to legally take custody of them as even touching them as heirs is in a very bad gray legal area.

Isn't the 2nd Amendment great?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at May 11, 2025 08:06 PM (a4flb)

98 I am wondering. Would it be out of line for me to suggest that one day of the next TX MoMee be declared Hawaiian Shirt Day, and all the men attending be encouraged to wear a Hawaiian shirt to honor Jim's memory?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 11, 2025 07:08 PM (0zCeC)

If this is done….well, I have my stash of shirts ready to go.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 11, 2025 08:06 PM (vm8sq)

99 Jim of Sunk New Dawn was always an interesting read. He had knowledge and insight on the world we live in, that will be missed by the HQ and humanity in general.

Posted by: irright at May 11, 2025 08:06 PM (GcX7b)

100 RI Red forgot to get the wife something, I'll bet. He's probably gone into hiding until the storm blows over.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 11, 2025 08:07 PM (tT6L1)

101 Oddbob, what are you planning to suppress?

First would probably be an AR-10 in .308. Then maybe a 5.56 AR. Other candidates would be a 6mm and a .22LR. Something that could be used with more than one of those would be nice.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 11, 2025 08:07 PM (/y8xj)

102 I’ve started to get a little can-curious
Posted by: Oddbob at May 11, 2025 07:40 PM (/y8xj)

It's the internet. There are videos for that.

Posted by: GWB at May 11, 2025 08:07 PM (HnHlg)

103 Shot my 1st revolver Fri. 100 rds of .38 special before I just started to figure out how to shoot the dang thing. Going to take some work.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 11, 2025 08:07 PM (b4o9z)

104 Can we talk about suppressors for a bit? With the chance -- I’m not ready to say likelihood -- of getting them removed from the NFA, I’ve started to get a little can-curious and I got a few questions.
Posted by: Oddbob

I like the 'oil filter bushing' concept if they had one that was legit - i.e. the bushing would the serial numbered part analogous to the AR lower or trigger group that several handguns have now.
But with a better machine thread instead of the oil filter thead.
This way one could have multiple much cheaper cans for various rifles and just one (maybe three max) licensed bushings to play with. Cans could become more disposable and cheaper than making them out of titanium.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 11, 2025 08:07 PM (/lPRQ)

105 That was exactly one of the questions I had. Thanks.
Posted by: Oddbob
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NFA laws are poorly written enough and the ATF, etc. have proved themselves to be lawless enough, I urge anyone messing around with NFA items or buying and selling firearms as a quasi business to really read and understand not just the laws but also the underlying statutes.

Relying on gun mag and forum understanding of firearm laws is a sure way to become a martyr of the legal system.

In firearm unfriendly states, it is probably wise to identify firearm friendly lawyers in your area if you plan to buy and sell even as a collector or you are dealing with NFA items. Then pay them an official legal visit for advice Because you usually have obnoxious state and even local ordnances that can snare the unwitting.

There are some online lists of lawyers that do firearm trusts, etc. and estate planning for firearm collections. It can be a real nightmare often for heirs to do the right thing legally when they inherit such items. Sometimes, there are even unpleasant surprises like unregistered machine guns, explosive ordnance, etc. in the hands of a parent that have to be disposed off. Lawyers help do that.

Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 08:09 PM (ctrM5)

106 The time Jim visited here I was out of town. But we both spent teenage years here and so could recall what a golden time it was.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 08:09 PM (1m82a)

107 Hello gun nuts. I'm late and haven't read all the comments. Believe it or not, I got to the range yesterday.

Shot the P365 and SA-35 (I love this gun!), working on fundamentals and especially NOT FLINCHING. I've given up on having nice pretty groupings, it will never happen. But I'm shooting much straighter than I used to and flinching a LOT less.

I always bring a revolver to end my day on a high note, and had intended to shoot my model 14. This time I decided to shoot the Highway Patrolman instead in Jim's honor. He gave me excellent advice before I bought it and also let me shoot his HP (4 inch barrel; mine is 6), which I did with much glee.

We miss you, dear friend.

Posted by: screaming in digital at May 11, 2025 08:09 PM (Szews)

108 I wonder if NZ Frank can being any examples of his work into the country? I thought he mentioned he designs suppressors.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 11, 2025 08:09 PM (tT6L1)

109 Do it right, create a firearm trust on those couple of suppressors...

If I do get a suppressor, I will definitely set up a trust. It would be foolish not to.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at May 11, 2025 08:09 PM (Hdixl)

110 Shot the P365 and SA-35 (I love this gun!), working on fundamentals and especially NOT FLINCHING.

Shooting is a highly individual thing, like a golf swing. So what works for me may not for you.

Personally, I use the "Jeff Cooper" method. Slip the trigger, where I'm not even sure exactly when it will go off. Eliminates the flinch.

Posted by: Fast Eddie Felson at May 11, 2025 08:12 PM (/4KOd)

111 I have never had the chutzpah to mention jury nullification when summoned to jury duty: because I believe in it. The point of a jury is not to merely judge facts, but originally, and primarily, to keep the judge in HIS lane. There was jury nullification of early unjust laws in New York Colony, before the revolution. Had the Tories wanting to throw out jury trials, eventually it lead to 1776. But if you say you believe in it, you’ll never get seated. Don’t say it, just say you aren’t convinced of the facts. Of course I am reliably told that if you want out of a jury, that mentioning that the gold braid on the US flag means it’s not a _real_ US flag will get you excused immediately (am NOT a sovereign citizen type - by no means!).

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 11, 2025 08:12 PM (cK4Fj)

112 Since we're also talking about funny/odd trial experiences, I was subpoenaed as an Expert Witness as part of a civil trial. The plaintiff was suing for personal injuries suffered in a crash.

I was a Traffic Crash Reconstructionist back then, and the whole issue revolved Perception-Reaction Time: the defense was that there was insufficient time to avoid the crash. The defense attorney kept beating me like a drum for over an hour, attacking my expertise.

When the defense attorney asked if I was aware that the standard Perception-Reaction Time in crash investigations was 2.75 seconds. I told her, "Yes, but that's due to a misunderstanding of Dr. Olson's data that included the 99th percentile. If you read his more recent research, he stated that a more reasonable PRT is 0.75 to 1.0 sec for stressful situations."

The defense attorney then said something like, "Oh, you're the expert." Needless to say, the plaintiff won.

LOL.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at May 11, 2025 08:14 PM (pJWtt)

113 Isn't the 2nd Amendment great?
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure

I blame the brother in law. He never made the effort to comply with the law by filling out the paperwork necessary to transfer and regardless of how I or anyone else feels about it--ignoring the law has some very nasty potential consequences.

And the whole thing could have been avoided had not FIL been so damn anxious to get his pew pew suppressors. It is much easier to set up the trust while purchasing it and simply requires fingerprints and paperwork to do so up front. All then that would have needed to be done was tell the ATF that one of the trustees was now dead and needed to be removed.

I think suppressors are just like mufflers on cars or mowers and should not be regulated but far too many people nowadays get their idiotic notions of firearms from watching stupid movies of shoot em up. And so they believe a 300 Win Mag generates the sound signature of a mouse fart when suppressed.

And that people fly backwards into windows, etc. when shot. The whole fake tropes relied upon for idiot movies spoils the fun out of watching them for me.

Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 08:15 PM (ctrM5)

114 A touch late but here
Finally got some range time. Brought a friend to the range - he’s always been a pistol guy with a little bit of shotgun. He’s got CC for a number of states due to his career but almost no rifle experience. Took him through a .22, a lever rifle in.45 and finally a muzzleloader.
Large lunch afterwards at a local barbecue place.
Thanks Weasel and a blessed week to all of the Morons

Posted by: Coelacanth at May 11, 2025 08:15 PM (YnIVK)

115 the H&K tri-lug muzzle adapter gives you one of the best positive locks
Posted by: Ed L at May 11, 2025 07:59 PM (AiJK3)

I have seen muzzle adaptors that give you that sort of arrangement for suppressors. Some of the biggies sell them for their suppressors. Of course, I hadn't considered until now that it just moves the "walking" problem to an intermediate piece.

Posted by: GWB at May 11, 2025 08:15 PM (HnHlg)

116 Weasel anything burnin tonight?

Just finished a Rocky Patel Number 6. Diogenes is doing a mom’s day dinner but said he’s sipping Buffalo Trace alongside a Cohiba Black afterwards.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 08:16 PM (1m82a)

117 This way one could have multiple much cheaper cans for various rifles and just one (maybe three max) licensed bushings to play with. Cans could become more disposable and cheaper than making them out of titanium.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 11, 2025 08:07 PM (/lPRQ)

IAB, my Dead Air Sandman uses that concept. I put a QD mount on each of my rifles, and swap a 7.62 mm can between rifles. It also has end caps in 5.56 and 6.5 if you’re looking for no flash.

Posted by: RI Red at May 11, 2025 08:16 PM (9qDFL)

118 Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 08:16 PM (1m82a)
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Just wrapped up a Padron 20th Anniversary.

Posted by: Weasel at May 11, 2025 08:17 PM (64qRd)

119 I will never be seated on a jury. I did grand jury duty once, but that was it. In my small county we met once a month to handle cases.

Last time was for a shooting in the nearest town, I think the charge was attempted murder. The prosecutor asked if any of us would have a problem with the State withholding evidence. I said I would and put together a lengthy rebuttal on the fly. I thought to myself, “I won’t be on this jury.” The very next juror said “yeah, what he said”. I thought to myself “I am definitely not on the jury and the prosecutor, defense AND the judge might have me escorted out.” Well, the latter did not happen but I was not seated on the jury. It’s not my mission to avoid jury duty, far from it…but I just am of the mind I’ll never be picked. I wasn’t picked even when I threw my name in the hat for court-martial juries.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 11, 2025 08:17 PM (vm8sq)

120 Ed Too Tall Jones comes to mind.
Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 08:02 PM (ctrM5)

Haven't thought about him in years.

Posted by: GWB at May 11, 2025 08:18 PM (HnHlg)

121 Finished an Ave Maria Divinia and some good (but not great) scotch. I’m a big fan of all the AJ Fernandez smokes.

Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at May 11, 2025 08:19 PM (aeiyZ)

122 First would probably be an AR-10 in .308. Then maybe a 5.56 AR. Other candidates would be a 6mm and a .22LR. Something that could be used with more than one of those would be nice.
Posted by: Oddbob at May 11, 2025 08:07 PM (/y8xj)

If you want to suppress rifles, I recommend at least considering B&T for your 5.56 and .308 platforms. B&T is known for their suppressors - they make more different types of suppressors than most. They've recently introduced 3-D printed suppressors made of titanium as a way to provide maximum heat resistance, lower cost, and minimal weight at the same time.

If you want to move your suppressor around between platforms, I recommend going w/ .308. A .308 can will fit on the other calibers you mentioned. However, in order to get maximum performance (i.e. sound suppression) out of a can, you should use a can matched to the caliber of the weapon you're using. A .308 can on a 5.56 rifle will work, but it won't work as well as a 5.56 can on a 5.56 rifle.

Posted by: Ed L at May 11, 2025 08:19 PM (AiJK3)

123 Weasel, nice!

Not a bundle stick, for sure.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 08:20 PM (1m82a)

124 The range video is exactly why I shoot on my own property and won't live anywhere else.

Posted by: Cosda4 at May 11, 2025 08:20 PM (Z4SiK)

125 Personally, I use the "Jeff Cooper" method. Slip the trigger, where I'm not even sure exactly when it will go off. Eliminates the flinch.
Posted by: Fast Eddie Felson at May 11, 2025 08:12 PM (/4KOd)

Trigger control is the steadily increasing amount of pressure on the trigger done so that the firer does not know when the firing pin will be released! (From JROTC inspection knowledge)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 11, 2025 08:20 PM (vm8sq)

126 Posted by: screaming in digital at May 11, 2025 08:09 PM

{{{SiD}}}

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 11, 2025 08:20 PM (Wnv9h)

127 Have a Ruger American Gen 2 in 243 Win , twist one in nine, that thusfar, does not want to shoot under 1 inch. Have tried 4 or 5 bullets and 3 or 4 powders and various charges , fiddled with seating depth, and am starting to get frustrated. I know one moa ain't that bad, and could be lived with, but thought I'd ask if anyone has a suggestion. I'm trying to make it shoot it the 80 to 90 grain bullet range. Considering selling or trading for a Tikka.

Posted by: irright at May 11, 2025 08:20 PM (GcX7b)

128 Yes, it has a pulley in it:

AN-94.

https://is.gd/Jyl7BM

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 11, 2025 08:20 PM (cK4Fj)

129 Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 08:20 PM (1m82a)
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Yeah! Thanks. I'm about half way through a box and I'd forgotten how nice they are.

Posted by: Weasel at May 11, 2025 08:21 PM (64qRd)

130 Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 08:16 PM (1m82a)
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Just wrapped up a Padron 20th Anniversary.
Posted by: Weasel at May 11, 2025 08:17 PM (64qRd)
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Serious stick

Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at May 11, 2025 08:21 PM (aeiyZ)

131 Elric, big AJ fan here too. He doesn’t miss. And my gawd nearly the entire industry does collaborations with him. He’s a colossus.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 08:22 PM (1m82a)

132 Haven't thought about him in years.
Posted by: GWB
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Glory days for the Cowboys.

Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 08:22 PM (ctrM5)

133 Dang, that Sweeney book must be gold. Used copies are also $75+. Kindle it is then.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 11, 2025 08:23 PM (/y8xj)

134 I have seen muzzle adaptors that give you that sort of arrangement for suppressors. Some of the biggies sell them for their suppressors. Of course, I hadn't considered until now that it just moves the "walking" problem to an intermediate piece.
Posted by: GWB at May 11, 2025 08:15 PM (HnHlg)

That's why the MP5 platform (and its clones) remain one of the best suppressor hosts to this day. If the lugs are built into the barrel's exterior, they can't move.

Posted by: Ed L at May 11, 2025 08:24 PM (AiJK3)

135 Never forget that trial by jury is that palladium of civil liberty and the only safe guarantee of the life l liberty, and property of the citizen (h/t, TX Declaration of Independence, 1836).

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 11, 2025 08:24 PM (vm8sq)

136 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 11, 2025 08:20 PM (Wnv9h)
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{{{RMBS}}}

Posted by: screaming in digital at May 11, 2025 08:25 PM (Szews)

137 Elric, big AJ fan here too. He doesn’t miss. And my gawd nearly the entire industry does collaborations with him. He’s a colossus.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 08:22 PM (1m82a)
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Yea and good pricing for the quality. I’ve had sticks twice the price that weren’t as good.

Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at May 11, 2025 08:26 PM (aeiyZ)

138 Good evening, SiD! Hope things are well with you.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 11, 2025 08:27 PM (tT6L1)

139 I think suppressors are just like mufflers on cars or mowers and should not be regulated but far too many people nowadays get their idiotic notions of firearms from watching stupid movies of shoot em up. And so they believe a 300 Win Mag generates the sound signature of a mouse fart when suppressed.

And that people fly backwards into windows, etc. when shot. The whole fake tropes relied upon for idiot movies spoils the fun out of watching them for me.
Posted by: whig

Wouldn't be surprised if the restrictions on suppressors had more to do with poaching* than gansters lighting each other in total silence.

*Not that I know any poachers, but if I did they would probably be using .22 mag in lieu of the 30-30 they use during hunting season.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 11, 2025 08:27 PM (/lPRQ)

140 Last few times SEALs came to the range on my day (and ended up joining) they called first and among their questions was whether they could bring their “work” guns.

To which the answer was “the more forbidden and exotic the better, yes!”. Last month the guy let me shoot his SP-10, was very nice. He said they didn’t have the cans for them yet and I encouraged him to bring one when they did.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 08:27 PM (1m82a)

141 111 I have never had the chutzpah to mention jury nullification when summoned to jury duty: because I believe in it. The point of a jury is not to merely judge facts, but originally, and primarily, to keep the judge in HIS lane. There was jury nullification of early unjust laws in New York Colony, before the revolution. Had the Tories wanting to throw out jury trials, eventually it lead to 1776. But if you say you believe in it, you’ll never get seated. Don’t say it, just say you aren’t convinced of the facts. Of course I am reliably told that if you want out of a jury, that mentioning that the gold braid on the US flag means it’s not a _real_ US flag will get you excused immediately (am NOT a sovereign citizen type - by no means!).
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at May 11, 2025 08:12 PM (cK4Fj)

I took classes with a prof who told the class he went to voir dire many times but was never seated on a jury. The lawyers asked him what he did for a living and he told the truth: “I am a professor of history and my specialty is Constitutional law.”
“I don’t know why I never get picked!” We the students laughed.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 11, 2025 08:28 PM (vm8sq)

142 Gun Question ... I run a Ruger 1911. It operates flawlessly - no misfires in over 1,000 rounds.

BUT ... whenever I drop the mag and clear the chamber ... it "crimps" the unspent round. Compresses the projectile back into the casing.

It's not unheard of for bullets to get shifted around a little with repeated loadings but to be displaced noticeably on just one load/unload definitely seems not normal to me. Tell us more about the ammo. Can you feel extra resistance on the slide when unloading compared to racking it empty?

Posted by: Oddbob at May 11, 2025 08:28 PM (/y8xj)

143 SALUTE! Jim

Jim graciously gave the lovely Mrs. a lesson on one of Jim's pistols. He was gentle and so informative with her. She, and I, loved him.

Until next time Buddy.

Posted by: Tonypete at May 11, 2025 08:28 PM (cYBz/)

144 try cigarking.com

Posted by: Jeff Carter (@pointsnfigures1) at May 11, 2025 08:29 PM (ZiwLX)

145 I know one moa ain't that bad, and could be lived with, but thought I'd ask if anyone has a suggestion. I'm trying to make it shoot it the 80 to 90 grain bullet range. Considering selling or trading for a Tikka.
Posted by: irright
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Rugers use cold hammer forged barrels around a mandrel if I recall right. I would do a break in procedure using cheap blaster grade fmj ammo (or roll your own) and shoot about 50-100 rounds through it. Cheaper than a new firearm but doing that along with the breakin cleaning regimen can help std. production barrels shoot better.

The other thing is check your stock fit and barrel channel fit. I am pretty sure that the American is free floated barrel and so a dollar bill should be able to be slid between the barrel and stock back to the receiver. The other is to check your torque on the receiver screws on the bottom. Make sure they are torqued to the right factory torque setting.

If using glass, then make sure that it is mounted and zeroed correctly.

Then there is the shooter component. If you know someone who is a good shot, have them shoot the rifle and make darn sure that you have a stable rest with bags and shooting table.

Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 08:29 PM (ctrM5)

146 Elric a coming review will be of AJ’s Enclave Broadleaf.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 08:30 PM (1m82a)

147 RMBS, are you bringing 150, 168, 175?

Posted by: RI Red at May 11, 2025 08:30 PM (9qDFL)

148 RMBS, are you bringing 150, 168, 175?
Posted by: RI Red at May 11, 2025 08:30 PM

I have some 147 gr NATO for fun, and some 168 and 175 match stuff. I'll bring a mix.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 11, 2025 08:32 PM (Wnv9h)

149 Yeah I have no instant idea whatsoever what would press a bullet into the case during extraction. Seems counterintuitive.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 08:33 PM (1m82a)

150 Wouldn't be surprised if the restrictions on suppressors had more to do with poaching* than gansters lighting each other in total silence.

*Not that I know any poachers, but if I did they would probably be using .22 mag in lieu of the 30-30 they use during hunting season.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher

That was partly to blame in the NFA drafting in the 30's as game animals darn near got depleted down the small mammals like squirrels or rabbits.

Not really a factor anymore as a lot of states now allow suppressors for hunting use as they should. Haven't seen problems with poachers reported and part of that is because poachers are lazy ass people that would never spend the $200 bucks and might not pass the enhanced screening for NFA items in the first place.

Same reason that thugs in the ghetto prefer the Glock switch to make their pistols full auto to homebuilt cans. Lawbreakers are by and large lazy assholes that simply ignore all laws.

Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 08:33 PM (ctrM5)

151 Well, time to wander. Catch you later!

I should have a range report next week. Youngest daughter will be stopping by for a couple of days during her trip west. She has assured me she will go to the range with dad.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 11, 2025 08:33 PM (tT6L1)

152 Posted by: screaming in digital at May 11, 2025 08:09 PM (Szews)

Nice work, SiD!

Posted by: Ed L at May 11, 2025 08:34 PM (AiJK3)

153 133 Dang, that Sweeney book must be gold. Used copies are also $75+. Kindle it is then.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Pat Sweeney has an undergraduate chemistry degree so he combines material science, gunsmithing experience, and competition shooting (including international competitions) experience. Knows everyone in the field from gun writers to competitors etc.

Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 08:36 PM (ctrM5)

154 Tell us more about the ammo. Can you feel extra resistance on the slide when unloading compared to racking it empty?

Posted by: Oddbob at May 11, 2025 08:28 PM (/y8xj)

Its the only 1911 I've ever owned, so I have a hard time comparing it to anything. The slide is "stiff" - but can't tell any difference between dry-cycling and chambering or ejecting a round.

Current lot of ammo is Sellier and Bellot - but I've seen the same thing when running Remington and Winchester. The thing is - the gun runs perfectly ... other than ejecting an unspent round. I've wondered if its just a 1911 thing. I really, really like the gun.

Posted by: Fast Eddie Felson at May 11, 2025 08:36 PM (/4KOd)

155 Good evening, SiD! Hope things are well with you.
Posted by: blake
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Hi blake! Things are pretty good. I have some fun travel coming up soon. How about you?

Posted by: screaming in digital at May 11, 2025 08:36 PM (Szews)

156 Jim was one of the first people I chatted with after rolling into a TxMoMe a few years back. He was so welcoming and fun to talk to that I soon felt I was among old friends rather than a lone traveler on a Texas ranch.

You'll be missed, friend, but never forgotten.

Posted by: She Hobbit at May 11, 2025 08:37 PM (ftFVW)

157 Wouldn't be surprised if the restrictions on suppressors had more to do with poaching* than gansters lighting each other in total silence.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 11, 2025 08:27 PM (/lPRQ)

Like so many things banned for their infamy, do not discount the role of tv and movies. There are a great many non-firearm items banned because movies (even musicals) about gangs or gangsters made the wannabe aristocrats scared. (And, in some cases, the inverse - something banned because it was scary is now made extremely popular as a tool of the bad guys in cinema.)

Posted by: GWB at May 11, 2025 08:37 PM (HnHlg)

158 Yeah I have no instant idea whatsoever what would press a bullet into the case during extraction. Seems counterintuitive.

That's my thought too. The only thing that makes sense (so far) is the bullet getting pressed back on the initial chambering. But they would have to be seriously over length. Fast Eddie, do you have a caliper that reads to the thousands of an inch? If so, measure a few rounds out of the box and then a few with the setback.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 11, 2025 08:37 PM (/y8xj)

159 Elric a coming review will be of AJ’s Enclave Broadleaf.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 08:30 PM (1m82a)
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Very good smoke. Shit’s got some kick. Not for the faint hearted.

Posted by: Elric the Bladiest Blade at May 11, 2025 08:38 PM (aeiyZ)

160 make darn sure that you have a stable rest with bags and shooting table.
Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 08:29 PM (ctrM5)

"No wobbly shit!"
/Weasel

Posted by: GWB at May 11, 2025 08:39 PM (HnHlg)

161 ...they would have to be seriously over length...

Or, alternatively, the throat could be seriously under length. That's kind of my current theory (aka, SWAG).

Posted by: Oddbob at May 11, 2025 08:41 PM (/y8xj)

162 Jim Sunk New Dawn. I will never forget the gift he brought and gave to Linda's Spawn!
God speed Jim!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 11, 2025 08:41 PM (JBim3)

163 Range day yesterday, shot 4 pistols; first ime with new PDP Full size, 5" bbl. Like a dream, bulls eyes destroyed.
Also first time with VP9, see above.
Had to shoot Shield 45 as it's my EDC, such a joy and surprisingly easy to shoot for a large caliber.
Lastly my first ever pistol, Beretta 8040. It is what it is, all metal with too much trigger travel, jams too often but still fun.

Posted by: Tim at May 11, 2025 08:42 PM (S+tOV)

164 Fast Eddie, do you have a caliper that reads to the thousands of an inch? If so, measure a few rounds out of the box and then a few with the setback.

I'll do that when I get back ... because yeah, I wonder if its doing it on every round that gets chambered as well. Good idea.

Posted by: Fast Eddie Felson at May 11, 2025 08:42 PM (/4KOd)

165 Nice work, SiD!
Posted by: Ed L
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Thanks, Ed. Only problem was the HP failed to go BANG every time. Range dude kindly looked at the gun for me and found nothing obviously wrong, so maybe the ammo. Not sure.

Posted by: screaming in digital at May 11, 2025 08:42 PM (Szews)

166 Nice remembrance of Jim, Weasel.
Thanks again for the thread.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 11, 2025 07:04

Seconded here. You brought out the essence of Jim NSD, his kindness.

After I broke my ankle but good Jim gave me advice on rehab since he had been through that. Anyone remember when he was roofing and fell through a hidden sky light?

Jim was multi-talented, willing to share and humble about it. We grieve his passing, but he is now at peace, no longer in pain and with his Lord.

Posted by: Farmer, with his own historical take at May 11, 2025 08:44 PM (55Qr6)

167 Jim Sunk New Dawn. I will never forget the gift he brought and gave to Linda's Spawn!
God speed Jim!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 11, 2025 08:41 PM

Awful dusty in the carport that night.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 11, 2025 08:44 PM (Wnv9h)

168 Posted by: GWB at May 11, 2025 08:37 PM (HnHlg)

It's arguable that the Thompson SMG became the iconic firearm it was in the 1930s (and still is today) because of pop culture and the effective banning of it by the 1934 NFA. Even before WWII, the Thompson's silhouette was instantly recognizable by anyone who'd seen movies like "Scarface" or "Public Enemy."

Posted by: Ed L at May 11, 2025 08:45 PM (AiJK3)

169 I really need to get to the range. But it won't happen soon. I'm heading out to eastern Washington state to see my mother, middle of this week, for 10 days.

I was going to try bringing a rifle to shoot (there should be nice outdoor ranges in Idaho, at least, right?), but every single one of my rifles, except the .303, is now banned in WA state. (Yes, even the M-1 Garand!) AND they don't recognize my carry permit.

(I am going to see about a non-resident permit while I'm there.)

Posted by: GWB at May 11, 2025 08:45 PM (HnHlg)

170 If it is deep-seating every unspent round, you may have a shorter than normal leade - the distance from the end of the chamber to the beginning of the rifling. The result is that every round gets pushed deep into the rifling when chambering, thereby pushing every round deeper into the case.
You don’t know it’s an issue when the round is fired (unless you’re getting higher pressure and faster MV - try chronoing some rounds and see if they are faster than advertised).

Posted by: RI Red at May 11, 2025 08:46 PM (9qDFL)

171 As I sometimes do, I looked up this week's movie on IMDb:

Invasion U.S.A.
A one-man army comes to the rescue when the United States are invaded by communists, starring Chuck Norris.

Wow! That sounds exciting! Also gun-thread appropriate.

Oh, no, wait, that's the 1985 movie. Here's the 1952 one linked above:

A group of people at a bar witness the unfolding events of a Soviet invasion of the USA. "It will scare the pants off you," reviews Hedda Hopper.

Well, that sounds… a bit lower-budget.

Starring Gerald Mohr. Who? Mohr has an impressive 155 credits, from 1939 to 1967, appearing on all kinds of movies and TV shows.
😁

Posted by: mindful webworker - Sitting at a bar watching a commie invasion. How Moron Hordely. at May 11, 2025 08:46 PM (b/vRQ)

172 A nifty tool for adjusting dovetailed iron sights is the Wyoming Sight Drifter. It is a sort of spring loaded slidehammer gadget, that does what the traditional hammer and brass punch does, but is a lot handier to use.
It is about the size of a big fountain pen. To use, press the end of the tool against the sight, pull the other end of the tool back, and release. It gives the sight a sharp little whack, and hopefully moves it a bit.
I just got one, and I love it. Multiple models are available, with the basic model starting at $35 dollars.

www.wyomingsightdrifter.com

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 11, 2025 08:46 PM (RWJYA)

173 ...they would have to be seriously over length...

Or, alternatively, the throat could be seriously under length. That's kind of my current theory (aka, SWAG).
Posted by: Oddbob
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2 cents on short throat and light crimp on the bullets.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 11, 2025 08:47 PM (/lPRQ)

174 "No wobbly shit!"
/Weasel
Posted by: GWB

Pretty much. I guess I should have added that CHF barrels along with their competitors-button rifling, etc. often have some jagged edges on the lands initially from the barrel making process that can slightly damage bullets. Firing cheap blaster ammo essentially wears those down along with the cleaning regimen.

Wide Tolerance bands also come into play as cheaper barrel makers discard the mandrels, buttons, (tooling), from barrel making only when their generous tolerance limit is hit. Quality barrel makers discard them earlier and have a tighter tolerance band for barrels shipped.

Simply shooting cheap barrels with range blaster fmj from 50-100 rounds often breaks them so a cheap barrel can shoot better and perhaps foul less. Worn tooling can often produce rough barrels right off the assembly line and this can help if the other issues were addressed.

Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 08:47 PM (ctrM5)

175 We grieve his passing, but he is now at peace, no longer in pain and with his Lord.
Posted by: Farmer, with his own historical take at May 11, 2025 08:44 PM (55Qr6)

Amen

Posted by: GWB at May 11, 2025 08:47 PM (HnHlg)

176 Only problem was the HP failed to go BANG every time. Range dude kindly looked at the gun for me and found nothing obviously wrong, so maybe the ammo. Not sure.
Posted by: screaming in digital at May 11, 2025 08:42 PM (Szews)

Cheap range ammo sometimes come with hard primers that won't always go "bang" when hit by a single action firearm. Did you check the firing pin strike in the primer after ejecting the case?

Posted by: Ed L at May 11, 2025 08:48 PM (AiJK3)

177 Thanks for the Gun Thread Weasel!
RIP Jim.
I just had a Hemingway Signature just last night. Cool!.

Posted by: DBCooper at May 11, 2025 08:49 PM (y1Mvi)

178 Good evening, Weasel!

Did you say MoMe? I distinctively heard (OK, read) MoMe. And did you mention haranguing people to attend the event? Yes - yes you did!

Those of you who have never attended a MoMe -- please allow me to speak to you directly...
Do yourself a favor and get thee to one!!!!! Seriously - it is a wonderful time! I guaran-damn-tee it!

Posted by: Doof at May 11, 2025 08:50 PM (RFPHU)

179 170 If it is deep-seating every unspent round, you may have a shorter than normal leade - the distance from the end of the chamber to the beginning of the rifling. The result is that every round gets pushed deep into the rifling when chambering, thereby pushing every round deeper into the case.
You don’t know it’s an issue when the round is fired (unless you’re getting higher pressure and faster MV - try chronoing some rounds and see if they are faster than advertised).
Posted by: RI Red
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Yep.

Fortunately it is easily corrected with a gunsmith turning a throat reamer a time or two. Or shipping it back to Ruger to let them do it. They have pretty good customer service.

Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 08:50 PM (ctrM5)

180 Starring Gerald Mohr. Who? Mohr has an impressive 155 credits, from 1939 to 1967, appearing on all kinds of movies and TV shows.
😁
Posted by: mindful webworker - Sitting at a bar watching a commie invasion. How Moron Hordely. at May 11, 2025 08:46 PM (b/vRQ)

Saw him as one of the suspects in a couple of "Perry Mason" episodes. Yes, I have the entire series on DVD. Picked it up for $100 at the start of COVID.

Posted by: Ed L at May 11, 2025 08:51 PM (AiJK3)

181 Fast Eddie, do you have a caliper that reads to the thousands of an inch? If so, measure a few rounds out of the box and then a few with the setback.

I'll do that when I get back ... because yeah, I wonder if its doing it on every round that gets chambered as well. Good idea.
Posted by: Fast Eddie Felson
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Also, disassemble and using the same ammo give it the 'plunk' test -
Drop a round in the chamber and it should freely rotate and drop out.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 11, 2025 08:51 PM (/lPRQ)

182 Posted by: Doof at May 11, 2025 08:50 PM (RFPHU)
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Howdy Doof!

Posted by: Weasel at May 11, 2025 08:51 PM (64qRd)

183 Those of you who have never attended a MoMe -- please allow me to speak to you directly...
Do yourself a favor and get thee to one!!!!! Seriously - it is a wonderful time! I guaran-damn-tee it!
Posted by: Doof at May 11, 2025 08:50 PM

There is much iron in Doof's words.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 11, 2025 08:52 PM (Wnv9h)

184 Hello, Doof!

Posted by: Ed L at May 11, 2025 08:52 PM (AiJK3)

185

The Untouchables S01E02 Ma Barker and Her Boys

https://youtu.be/QqNhs6e8f-4

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 11, 2025 08:52 PM (63Dwl)

186 176 Only problem was the HP failed to go BANG every time. Range dude kindly looked at the gun for me and found nothing obviously wrong, so maybe the ammo. Not sure.
Posted by: screaming in digital at May 11, 2025 08:42 PM (Szews)

Cheap range ammo sometimes come with hard primers that won't always go "bang" when hit by a single action firearm. Did you check the firing pin strike in the primer after ejecting the case?
Posted by: Ed L
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What Ed L said.

Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 08:52 PM (ctrM5)

187 What Oddbob and RI Red said about the 1911 issue. Would explain chambering setting the bullet deeper. No way I can see it occurring during extraction.

As suggested, measure rounds out of the box, then again after chambering/ejecting.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 08:53 PM (1m82a)

188 Since it will be easy for Weasel to beat CBD tonight. I will say adieu.

Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 08:54 PM (ctrM5)

189 DBCooper - did your experience parallel mine with the Hemingway?

Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 08:55 PM (1m82a)

190 Weasel, I have to go. Condolences for Jim's family and friends. He'll be missed here.

Posted by: Ed L at May 11, 2025 08:56 PM (AiJK3)

191 Crimped 1911 rounds.

My bet is the nose of the cartridge is catching on something as it is being fed into the chamber. Does it do this with all ammo types, or just flat nosed hollowpoint ammo?

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 11, 2025 08:56 PM (RWJYA)

192 EdL, didn't know until recently that production of the military Thompson was scaled back in favor of the M3 grease gun as it became available. Obviously great savings in terms of cost, and probably production times. Though I don't think it was generally carried/used as much as the Thompson by infantry.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 08:57 PM (1m82a)

193 Nite whig and Ed L! Thanks for being here guys.

Posted by: Weasel at May 11, 2025 08:59 PM (64qRd)

194 -
Posted by: whig at May 11, 2025 08:29 PM
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I believe I considered all those possibilities, but will doublecheck. Pretty sure I am well over 100 rounds. I'm not a great trigger puller, but generally add no more than about a half-inch at 100.
Good suggestions.

Posted by: irright at May 11, 2025 09:00 PM (GcX7b)

195 Almost guarantee the old dude RSO and the guy he accused of not paying had a history. It was not about $5 or sign in. It was about a past grievance.

Posted by: Big AL at May 11, 2025 09:00 PM (miH5U)

196 Jim SND - a moron's moron. His rapid health decline hit these pages hard. Now his passing hits even harder. What a guy. Funny. Witty. Self deprecating. Smart. Friendly. Caring. Just a damn fine human.

I've mentioned this before, but it bears repeating. Jim reached out to me immediately after Mrs. Doof passed away 3 years ago. I had at that point not yet met him in person. We talked on the phone for a long time. He checked on me almost daily. He even sent a bottle of his favorite bourbon to me - from Texas to Maryland. It somehow arrived, only slightly missing some contents. Meeting him in person was a highlight of my first TxMoMe. Was honored to have fired a few rounds with him on the ranges. Was even more honored to just sit and chat with him as we each sipped bourbon. A few other things I could share about hanging out with Jim -- but those need to be told face to face. Such as at a MoMe.

*raises glass, wipes a few tears*

Cheers to you, brother! You will be missed!

Posted by: Doof at May 11, 2025 09:00 PM (RFPHU)

197 Hello, Doof!
Posted by: Ed L at May 11, 2025 08:52 PM (AiJK3)

Howdy, Ed!!

Posted by: Doof at May 11, 2025 09:01 PM (RFPHU)

198 Weasel, also gotta go - secret mission, you know,

Thanks for your words about Jim SND.

Posted by: RI Red at May 11, 2025 09:04 PM (9qDFL)

199 Posted by: RI Red at May 11, 2025 09:04 PM (9qDFL)
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Adios, Red. You bet.

Posted by: Weasel at May 11, 2025 09:05 PM (64qRd)

200 Godspeed, Jim.

I remember Jim before his boat was wrecked, and from the comments of both BabaluBlog and Hog on Ice, before there even was AOSHQ.

Best friend one could have. And now tears, again.

Thank you, Weasel.

Posted by: Steck at May 11, 2025 09:08 PM (LlRQB)

201 BUT ... whenever I drop the mag and clear the chamber ... it "crimps" the unspent round. Compresses the projectile back into the casing.
*******
I have a Rugar 1911 Commander since they first came out. I have not noticed that but will be paying more attention now.

Posted by: Cosda at May 11, 2025 09:08 PM (Z4SiK)

202 Posted by: Steck at May 11, 2025 09:08 PM (LlRQB)
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{{steck}}

Posted by: Weasel at May 11, 2025 09:09 PM (64qRd)

203 196 Jim SND - a moron's moron. His rapid health decline hit these pages hard. Now his passing hits even harder. What a guy. Funny. Witty. Self deprecating. Smart. Friendly. Caring. Just a damn fine human.

I've mentioned this before, but it bears repeating. Jim reached out to me immediately after Mrs. Doof passed away 3 years ago. I had at that point not yet met him in person. We talked on the phone for a long time. He checked on me almost daily. He even sent a bottle of his favorite bourbon to me - from Texas to Maryland. It somehow arrived, only slightly missing some contents. Meeting him in person was a highlight of my first TxMoMe. Was honored to have fired a few rounds with him on the ranges. Was even more honored to just sit and chat with him as we each sipped bourbon. A few other things I could share about hanging out with Jim -- but those need to be told face to face. Such as at a MoMe.

*raises glass, wipes a few tears*

Cheers to you, brother! You will be missed!
Posted by: Doof at May 11, 2025 09:00 PM (RFPHU)

Thank you for sharing those memories of Jim, Doof.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at May 11, 2025 09:11 PM (v23vE)

204 Rhomboid-
I did have a bit of a burn line issue but I was outside in a hell of a windstorm and also got interrupted with a phone call so probably operator error but a good tasting stick.

Posted by: DBCooper at May 11, 2025 09:12 PM (y1Mvi)

205 *raises glass, wipes a few tears*

Cheers to you, brother! You will be missed!

Posted by: Doof at May 11, 2025 09:00 PM

Gettin' a little dusty in here, again. Thanks for sharing that, amigo.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 11, 2025 09:16 PM (mH6SG)

206 DBCooper, thanks. Reminds me of last November, was on a boat in the Leeward Islands, had picked up some Perdomos from their HQ in Miami on the way. Couldn't find a torch lighter in the islands. Soft-flame lighter, famously constant trade winds, just about burned my thumbs off. But with all that, the Bourbon Barrel Aged Sungrown was so good, ordered a bunch more. Next time, torch lighter gets smuggled along.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 09:16 PM (1m82a)

207 Yes, thanks Weasel for your words about Jim. Such a damn shame someone like that goes so early.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 09:17 PM (1m82a)

208 Posted by: irright at May 11, 2025 09:00 PM

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Heh, I think I've already decided to get rid of it and just wanted someone else to validate my decision. I guess writing things out can help clarify the situation.

Posted by: irright at May 11, 2025 09:17 PM (GcX7b)

209 Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 09:17 PM (1m82a)
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*fistbump*

Posted by: Weasel at May 11, 2025 09:20 PM (gzL+K)

210 Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 09:16 PM (1m82a)
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Check out Zorro lighters. Zippos on steroids!

Posted by: Weasel at May 11, 2025 09:23 PM (gzL+K)

211 OK everyone. 9:24 thank you time.

Thank you!

Hope to see all y'all right here next Sunday!

Posted by: Weasel at May 11, 2025 09:24 PM (gzL+K)

212 I'd toast Jim with a whisky had I not quit drinking Jan 1, 2025. Though I have 4 bottles sitting 6 feet away, Can't do it. Maybe this October at Corsicana at the formal Viking ceremony.

Posted by: Eromero at May 11, 2025 09:25 PM (LHPAg)

213 There is some kind of trade deal with Chyna. Coke Party with Starmer Macron and Merz interrupted by press.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 11, 2025 09:26 PM (8uoau)

214 Good night, all.
May God keep you until we meet again.
If not online, then in NoVa and in Corsicana.

Posted by: GWB at May 11, 2025 09:27 PM (HnHlg)

215 Nite GWB, see you soon!

Posted by: Weasel at May 11, 2025 09:28 PM (gzL+K)

216 Have a good night, all.

Thanks for another great Gun Thread and a fine tribute to Jim, Weasel.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 11, 2025 09:34 PM (Wnv9h)

217 I've really enjoyed (with an edge of sadness) all the stories and testimonies folks have had about Jim SND.

Still kinda in some degree of denial, he was taken so fast.

Posted by: mindful webworker - anchors aweigh at May 11, 2025 09:35 PM (b/vRQ)

218 rhomboid- Torch lighters are mighty handy, for sure.

Posted by: DBCooper at May 11, 2025 09:37 PM (y1Mvi)

219 Hello morons, special hello to the morons who came to the WA MoMe. It was good seeing y'all.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at May 11, 2025 09:39 PM (xcxpd)

220 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 11, 2025 09:34 PM (Wnv9h)
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*fistbump*

Posted by: Weasel at May 11, 2025 09:40 PM (MvZ7K)

221 No shooting this week, due to the MoME. I did finally win one of those gunbroker auctions for a G26 slide. The aftermarket slide I already had is trash so I have hopes that an OEM Glock slide will be good.

I've switched over to the G30 for EDC lately, just ordered a new IWB holster for it. We'll see how it goes.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at May 11, 2025 09:42 PM (xcxpd)

222 Thanks Weasel, will check out Zorro.

I actually am on my third Jetline Phantom - great torch lighters (single flame). First two just had problems, stopped working (first one was odd, everything seemed to work, but, she's a no worka). Both worked for a year or more. They just sent me a third (now I have a collection of malfunctioning lighters). Lifetime guarantee. Jetline has a deservedly great reputation, their lighters are nice, so maybe I'm just a lemon-magnet when it comes to these things.

My first torch lighter (bought in 2005) worked for a decade+ (in fact, might go put some butane in and try it, probably still works). They're essential for cigars, but I also like them as emergency flame sources for The Big One (earthquake), civil disorder, zombie apocalypse, or the like.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 09:48 PM (1m82a)

223 192 EdL, didn't know until recently that production of the military Thompson was scaled back in favor of the M3 grease gun as it became available. Obviously great savings in terms of cost, and probably production times. Though I don't think it was generally carried/used as much as the Thompson by infantry.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 08:57 PM (1m82a)

The M3 was primarily a mechanic and driver gun. I was issued one in Germany before they phased them out. Range day was fun. You "familiarize" with it. Which is showing you can control the bursts. Sad to see it go because my rank then gave me an M203 to have to hump around. I hated that heavy POS.

Posted by: Reforger at May 11, 2025 09:51 PM (xcIvR)

224 My unit still had a grease gun in the early 90s.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 11, 2025 09:54 PM (8uoau)

225 Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 09:48 PM (1m82a)
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The Zorros are made in China but they are robust and extremely well made. Inserts are either gas or fluid. They have O rings and are really nicely done. I have one in titanium and another in brass.

Posted by: Weasel at May 11, 2025 09:55 PM (13bqY)

226 Just saw that "Invasion USA (1952)" features both Phyllis Coates and Noel Neill.

Coates was Lois Lane in the 1951 Mole Men Superman movie, and the first 24 episodes of the George Reeves TV show. Also appeared as "Ellen Lane" in one episode of Lois & Clark, 1994.

Neill played Lois Lane in the 1948 Superman with Kirk Alyn. She took over the Lois role in the 1950s show's 2nd season. She had an uncredited cameo in the first Chris Reeve movie, and was in one episode of 1991 Superboy.

Might actually watch this movie. Might.

Posted by: mindful webworker - save me, Supermaaaan at May 11, 2025 09:56 PM (b/vRQ)

227 Love the M3 stories. Yes, mostly for support troops, artillery, tankers (?), not infantry. Somehow do I recall correctly that the movie Hacksaw Ridge had Desmond Doss's CO using an M3? Seemed odd.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 09:57 PM (1m82a)

228 Will check them out quickly (Zorro lighters).

Despite tomorrow's announcement, who the heck knows what prices will do on products from Chy-nah.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 09:58 PM (1m82a)

229 Also have a Lotus lighters, beautiful big desktop type, classic zippo-type design. First one also didn't work. This one *sort of* works. WTF, over?

Posted by: rhomboid at May 11, 2025 09:59 PM (1m82a)

230 My grease gun left in November of 90. I only shot it twice. Once at our local range and once in Graf.
My buddies unit in Korea had theirs taken away at the same time. I always assumed with the way the army does stuff that was when they went into mothball.
Could be wrong but I'd bet they were all gone before 91. I never saw one again that's for sure.

Posted by: Reforger at May 11, 2025 10:07 PM (xcIvR)

231 One thing I never understood on the M3 was there were already a gazillion nice 30rd Thompson mags in use/inventory and instead of having it use Thompson mags they made a weird mag that needed a loader. I could load 4 Thompson mags in the time it took to load a grease gun mag. The M3's were quite accurate too. Amazingly.

Posted by: DBCooper at May 11, 2025 10:10 PM (y1Mvi)

232 NOOD

ONT

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