100 Days Into The Trump Presidency, And Things Seem To Be Calming Down!

I guess in a perfect world the profound shift in our management of world trade would have been planned perfectly on Day One.

But it's not a perfect world, and observing initial effects and then adjusting the tariffs is a reasonable approach.

It scares the snot out of financial markets, and the degree of indecision forces companies to minimize spending and hold off on planning until the tariffs are set.

But...is there a better way to do it? Sure. Incremental tariffs over many months or years, but that introduces the same total uncertainty, just spread out over a much longer time frame.

Tariff Relief Coming for Automakers Producing in the US, Says White House

President Donald Trump will sign an executive order later today to cushion the impact of his automobile tariffs, the White House said.
Earlier this month, the president’s 25 percent tariffs on imported vehicles to the United States went into effect. The tariffs are intended to bolster domestic car manufacturing.
Senior Commerce Department officials confirmed that car companies will continue to pay a 25 percent tariff on imported vehicles, but they will not be subjected to other tariffs, such as the 25 percent levy on steel and aluminum or 10 universal baseline duties.
Trump’s executive action is meant to prevent certain tariffs from stacking on top of each other.

One huge advantage of the Trump technique is that it is showing the markets that the bombastic speeches and red hot rhetoric is being tempered by a rational and flexible approach that adjusts to the appearance of unpredicted events and responses.

It's probably the best anyone can hope for, and the markets and manufacturers seem to be reacting positively.

Posted by: CBD at 04:00 PM

Comments

(Jump to bottom of comments)

1 "Calming"

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at April 29, 2025 04:01 PM (N1tpc)

2 But...is there a better way to do it? Sure. Incremental tariffs over many months or years, but that introduces the same total uncertainty, just spread out over a much longer time frame.

======

If the goal itself is tariffs, yeah.

But I don't think tariffs were the goal.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 04:01 PM (GBKbO)

3 I suppose calming works if you ignore the left openly calling for violence.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at April 29, 2025 04:01 PM (N1tpc)

4 Speak loudly, and carry a tiny, razor sharp little stick.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 29, 2025 04:02 PM (rdha7)

5 Better than certain DOOM.

Posted by: DaveA at April 29, 2025 04:02 PM (FhXTo)

6 NATIONAL SHRIMP SCAMPI DAY - April 29

Posted by: SMOD at April 29, 2025 04:02 PM (RHGPo)

7 Nope Trump is just a big doody head dummy that has no idea what he's doing.

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 29, 2025 04:03 PM (MGB5H)

8 Shock and awe for the corporate CEOs, who many, if we are being truthful, aren't very good at their jobs.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 29, 2025 04:03 PM (Wzq2W)

9 If the goal itself is tariffs, yeah.

But I don't think tariffs were the goal.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 04:01 PM (GBKbO)

Trump has been in the public eye for 40 years.

He's written two books about how he operates.

And our "elites" are still too stupid to understand what he's doing.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at April 29, 2025 04:04 PM (N1tpc)

10 Who reads books?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 04:05 PM (VUnvY)

11 And Things Seem To Be Calming Down!
......

even the tits?

Posted by: wth at April 29, 2025 04:05 PM (v0R5T)

12 The effect of the bombast is the baseline 10 percent revenue part pretty much is accepted now. That is what will keep the US out of fiscal collapse.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 04:05 PM (n7h9X)

13 But...is there a better way to do it? Sure. Incremental tariffs over many months or years, but that introduces the same total uncertainty, just spread out over a much longer time frame.

See the frog in a pot. Doing things gradually doesn't get people's attention. Doing them by a shock and awe approach does.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 29, 2025 04:05 PM (s8j++)

14 Who reads books?
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 04:05 PM (VUnvY)

I hear it requires pants.

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 29, 2025 04:05 PM (MGB5H)

15 I suppose calming works if you ignore the left openly calling for violence.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at April 29, 2025 04:01 PM (N1tpc)

That has nothing to do with the tariffs, nor Trump come to think of it. They've been doing that since the 60s.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 04:06 PM (n7h9X)

16 How can this be? I was told America couldn’t make cars here and we’d have to keep making them in Mexico, or else we’d have to lower our living standards to Mexico’s to compete.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 29, 2025 04:06 PM (l3YAf)

17 LOL related;

TEMU SLAPS 145% IMPORT CHARGES AFTER TRUMP TARIFFS

Temu just dropped a bomb on U.S. shoppers—adding “import charges” around 145% because of Trump’s new tariffs on Chinese goods.

Now, a $19 dress on Temu can cost nearly $45 after fees.

The only reason anyone bought anything from Temu was because it was cheap. The quality was infamously terrible, the site lied about its content, etc. Now they are charging premium prices for their awful crap? LOL

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:06 PM (2VST1)

18 So many in the elite are scared and nervous and insecure about Trump and tariffs and whatever else. Get a fu*king spine, you pathetic prats. You live in the most prosperous country in the most bountiful time in human history. Meanwhile, Trump is trying to torque back to normalcy, sanity and justice a hugely bent system. How could this not take a little time and at least a little pain and inconvenience. Deal with it. Show some faith. But maybe that's expecting too much.

Posted by: Ordinary American at April 29, 2025 04:06 PM (h/ffs)

19 17 The only reason anyone bought anything from Temu was because it was cheap. The quality was infamously terrible, the site lied about its content, etc. Now they are charging premium prices for their awful crap? LOL
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:06 PM (2VST1)

========

"Gen-Z is going to turn on Trump because their meme purchases on Temu are too expensive now!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 04:07 PM (GBKbO)

20 Who reads books?

almost nobody these days

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:07 PM (2VST1)

21 the markets and manufacturers seem to be reacting positively.

Posted by: CBD at 04:00 PM

And perhaps the markets and manufacturers have seen very clearly that Trump keeps his promises. He said it would be a bit rough at first but it would get better. And here we are.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 29, 2025 04:07 PM (2J/Lj)

22 In rigged casino, where players know how it is rigged, you will get objections to change, since the players in the know will have to recalculate how to take advantage once it is fixed, if they can.

Posted by: Womp womp at April 29, 2025 04:08 PM (o3121)

23 But I don't think tariffs were the goal.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 04:01 PM (GBKbO)

The advantage of tariffs is that it can be tweaked to suit revenue and policy needs by the executive rather than the club of the income tax on the populace.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 04:08 PM (n7h9X)

24 I liked the daily hits, keep the Leftists on the run.

Posted by: Skip at April 29, 2025 04:08 PM (ypFCm)

25 even the tits?
Posted by: wth at April 29, 2025 04:05 PM (v0R5T)

Trump apparently lost weight, so if he had tits before he doesn't have them now.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 29, 2025 04:08 PM (42Vb+)

26 The financial markets are probably the most bullshit-based segment of our economy. Creating "wealth" out of thin air by moving bits around with computer algorithms at high speed.

Posted by: Parasites. Like ticks. at April 29, 2025 04:09 PM (TbWk/)

27 Worked a little too well.

Report: Shedeur Sanders Purposely Tanked Pre-draft Interviews With Teams He Didn’t Like

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 29, 2025 04:09 PM (L/fGl)

28 Back seat driver and monday morning quarterback come to mind.

Posted by: Francis at April 29, 2025 04:09 PM (bbuBP)

29 Nepo lardass richboy Pritzker is calling for people to take to the streets and confront Republicans. While the tariffs seem to be producing good results , the Dems are ratcheting up the crazy

Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 29, 2025 04:09 PM (Er3Q7)

30 I have said often, Tariffs are just the beginning negotiations. It's not the end.

Posted by: Skip at April 29, 2025 04:10 PM (ypFCm)

31 >> NATIONAL SHRIMP SCAMPI DAY - April 29

Dammit, and I went to work anyway..

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 29, 2025 04:10 PM (l3YAf)

32 TEMU SLAPS 145% IMPORT CHARGES AFTER TRUMP TARIFFS

Temu just dropped a bomb on U.S. shoppers—adding “import charges” around 145% because of Trump’s new tariffs on Chinese goods.

Now, a $19 dress on Temu can cost nearly $45 after fees.

The only reason anyone bought anything from Temu was because it was cheap. The quality was infamously terrible, the site lied about its content, etc. Now they are charging premium prices for their awful crap? LOL

Oh no?! How will I continue never buying anything from Temu?

Posted by: Archimedes at April 29, 2025 04:10 PM (s8j++)

33 I think putting Bessent out front and letting him speak to the market was a smart move. The market knows him and trusts him.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 29, 2025 04:10 PM (viF8m)

34 Trump was right when he said the world rips us off. Euroweenies should cough up for all the NATO dough. Lets think of a few more.

Posted by: Deplorable Minion at April 29, 2025 04:10 PM (QSrLX)

35 9 If the goal itself is tariffs, yeah.

But I don't think tariffs were the goal.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 04:01 PM (GBKbO)

Trump has been in the public eye for 40 years.

He's written two books about how he operates.

And our "elites" are still too stupid to understand what he's doing.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian
=======
Our ruling class is based more on beliefs on how the world works rather than any empiricism as to what works and what does not work by trial and error.

That makes them resistant to consider anything outside their belief systems.

Such as Joe Biden was senile back in 2020 and Covid shutdowns plus vaxxes killed more people than they saved and caused a massive problem with educating kids during that era.

Like Vizzini, "Inconceivable!" is what they constantly utter.

Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 04:10 PM (ctrM5)

36 Tits? Where?

Posted by: Now I'm awake at April 29, 2025 04:10 PM (BVNfk)

37 Who reads books?
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 04:05 PM (VUnvY)
---
Well, the Moron Horde has quite a list of recommended reading, if the Sunday Morning Book Thread is anything to go by...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at April 29, 2025 04:11 PM (7fElN)

38 I think putting Bessent out front and letting him speak to the market was a smart move. The market knows him and trusts him.

He comes off as a bit namby-pamby, though. Maybe he should bite the head off a bat at his next presser.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 29, 2025 04:11 PM (s8j++)

39 Oh no?! How will I continue never buying anything from Temu?
Posted by: Archimedes
=====
Their app was Chinese spyware on par with Tik Tok.

Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 04:11 PM (ctrM5)

40 Government drops Maude criminal charges following ranchers’, elected representatives’ plea to secretary Brooke Rollins

Lunders arrived unannounced at the Maudes’ home on June 24, 2024, armed and in tactical gear, to serve the couple with separate federal indictments. The indictments were for the alleged theft of government property stemming from the placement of a fence built at least 75 years before. The Maudes each faced 10 years in prison and $250,000 in fines over the 50 acres in question and were ordered not to speak to one another about the case.

“You kind of ask the question, how did we get to this point with a criminal indictment over land that literally is maybe worth like $15,000. And why couldn’t this have been settled over a cup of coffee and an agreement to work together going forward?”

Posted by: SMOD at April 29, 2025 04:11 PM (RHGPo)

41 Last night was Shrimp Scampi Eve and I didn't do anything...

Posted by: Bubba at April 29, 2025 04:12 PM (BVNfk)

42 33 I think putting Bessent out front and letting him speak to the market was a smart move. The market knows him and trusts him.
Posted by: JackStraw
------
Good cop, bad cop. Bessent is the good cop and we all know who the bad cop is.

Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 04:12 PM (ctrM5)

43 The only reason anyone bought anything from Temu was because it was cheap. The quality was infamously terrible, the site lied about its content, etc. Now they are charging premium prices for their awful crap? LOL
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:06 PM (2VST1)

Anyone who expected different would be like expecting to get an actual Seawolf class submarine for $3 off the back of a comic book in 1977.

Posted by: A 45 cent Ferrari! Let's get two! at April 29, 2025 04:12 PM (TbWk/)

44 I can look this up, but no doubt someone here can tell me. What does TEMU make and ship?-in slightly more detail than 'cheap cr**" because I have never looked at their website and haven' ordered anything from them.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 29, 2025 04:12 PM (42Vb+)

45 You will eat za bugs eve.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 04:12 PM (VUnvY)

46 18 So many in the elite are scared and nervous and insecure about Trump and tariffs and whatever else. Get a fu*king spine, you pathetic prats. You live in the most prosperous country in the most bountiful time in human history. Meanwhile, Trump is trying to torque back to normalcy, sanity and justice a hugely bent system. How could this not take a little time and at least a little pain and inconvenience. Deal with it. Show some faith. But maybe that's expecting too much.
Posted by: Ordinary American at April 29, 2025 04:06 PM (h/ffs)

It has only been 27 days since Trump announced the tariffs, and 20 days since they went into effect. It's close to impossible for anybody to feel the pain of them right now. All we've gotten from corporate America, the Dems, and the media (BIRM) is bellyaching, and crowing that Trump's approval rating has 'cratered'. It's silly.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 29, 2025 04:12 PM (lPSim)

47
richboy Pritzker is calling for people to take to the streets and confront Republicans.
===
So advocating for political violence targeted at political opposition is totes okay now??? This is the lesson we are being taught??? Is it?

Posted by: Womp womp at April 29, 2025 04:13 PM (o3121)

48 25
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
.....

Good for him, moobs are very unattractive, especially the ones on your back.

Posted by: wth at April 29, 2025 04:13 PM (v0R5T)

49 Report: Shedeur Sanders Purposely Tanked Pre-draft Interviews With Teams He Didn’t Like

Yeah apparently he makes Deion seem positively humble and shy. That worked out real well for you didn't it you fool? Now you're a second back up on the Browns.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:13 PM (2VST1)

50 I love Scott Bessent and not in a romantic way since he's gay. He's smart and very articulate.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 29, 2025 04:13 PM (42Vb+)

51 I think it's mostly cheap clothing.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 04:13 PM (VUnvY)

52 “You kind of ask the question, how did we get to this point with a criminal indictment over land that literally is maybe worth like $15,000. And why couldn’t this have been settled over a cup of coffee and an agreement to work together going forward?”
Posted by: SMOD

Easy, I think Harry Reid was involved and I think one of his spawns wanted the land for some development deal he had cooking. This is from a rusty memory of the events way back when.

Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 04:13 PM (ctrM5)

53 “You kind of ask the question, how did we get to this point with a criminal indictment over land that literally is maybe worth like $15,000. And why couldn’t this have been settled over a cup of coffee and an agreement to work together going forward?”
Posted by: SMOD at April 29, 2025 04:11 PM (RHGPo)

And something that happened at least 75 years ago.

The Federal gov’t is full of sociopaths. They should be physically removed from the country.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 29, 2025 04:13 PM (l3YAf)

54 TEMU SLAPS 145% IMPORT CHARGES AFTER TRUMP TARIFFS

That stuff is crap... A package came accidently to my husbands work and it was there for a month with no claim... He brought it home and it had a bunch of christmas stuff... I have never in my life seen such crap . It all went into the garbage

Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 04:13 PM (VE6XX)

55 Our ruling class is based more on beliefs on how the world works rather than any empiricism as to what works and what does not work by trial and error.

That makes them resistant to consider anything outside their belief systems.

Such as Joe Biden was senile back in 2020 and Covid shutdowns plus vaxxes killed more people than they saved and caused a massive problem with educating kids during that era.

Like Vizzini, "Inconceivable!" is what they constantly utter.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 04:10 PM (ctrM5)
----------------

I would suggest our ruling class clings to their belief system because that's how they keep themselves in clover. Destroying the actual system created by their beliefs will beggar them, hence their reaction to President Trump.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 29, 2025 04:13 PM (tT6L1)

56 Oh no?! How will I continue never buying anything from Temu?
Posted by: Archimedes
=====
Their app was Chinese spyware on par with Tik Tok.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 04:11 PM (ctrM5)

Makes me glad I eschew anything trendy or hip.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 29, 2025 04:14 PM (Aqu9a)

57 Worked a little too well.

Report: Shedeur Sanders Purposely Tanked Pre-draft Interviews With Teams He Didn’t Like
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 29, 2025 04:09 PM (L/fGl)

Shadeur's basic issue is that a top of the draft QB can't 'do his own thing' or 'impose a culture' he likes. These guys are the face of the franchise and have to be salesmen suited to the team's fanbase or trouble is coming. This is on top of the NFL culture itself, like the fact he has only been coached by his own dad his whole life.

If he were a defensive end or like his dad, a CB, this wouldn't matter so much.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 04:14 PM (n7h9X)

58 Good for him, moobs are very unattractive, especially the ones on your back.

But back hair, that's super hot right? Women love that... right? Asking for a friend

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:14 PM (2VST1)

59 Yeah apparently he makes Deion seem positively humble and shy. That worked out real well for you didn't it you fool? Now you're a second back up on the Browns.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:13 PM (2VST1)

He's technically 5th in the qb room now before mini camps.

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 29, 2025 04:14 PM (MGB5H)

60 You know.

If all this breaks the American addiction to cheap plastic crap made in China…….

And China can’t get Americans to relapse…..

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 29, 2025 04:14 PM (W2Pud)

61 TEMU SLAPS 145% IMPORT CHARGES AFTER TRUMP TARIFFS

Temu just dropped a bomb on U.S. shoppers—adding “import charges” around 145% because of Trump’s new tariffs on Chinese goods.

Now, a $19 dress on Temu can cost nearly $45 after fees.

The only reason anyone bought anything from Temu was because it was cheap. The quality was infamously terrible, the site lied about its content, etc. Now they are charging premium prices for their awful crap? LOL

Oh no?! How will I continue never buying anything from Temu?
Posted by: Archimedes at April 29, 2025 04:10 PM (s8j++)
***

*throws self onto bed*
*crys into pillow*
Oh...I so wanted to buy one of those big birds.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 29, 2025 04:14 PM (W/lyH)

62 Worked a little too well.

Report: Shedeur Sanders Purposely Tanked Pre-draft Interviews With Teams He Didn’t Like
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 29, 2025 04:09 PM (L/fGl)

Something tells me these people talk to each other, and when you talk shit to the Jets and the Lions, the Packers and Giants hear about it.

So you end up with the Browns. Where you belong.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2025 04:15 PM (dGCAG)

63 TEMU SLAPS 145% IMPORT CHARGES AFTER TRUMP TARIFFS

That stuff is crap... A package came accidently to my husbands work and it was there for a month with no claim... He brought it home and it had a bunch of christmas stuff... I have never in my life seen such crap . It all went into the garbage
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 04:13 PM (VE6XX)

You get better stuff out of those $0.25 capsule vending machines in the lobby of Walmart

Posted by: Sticky frog tongue for the win at April 29, 2025 04:15 PM (TbWk/)

64 Anyone who expected different would be like expecting to get an actual Seawolf class submarine for $3 off the back of a comic book in 1977.

I did NOT buy the x-ray specs in the forlorn hope I'd see nekkid wimmenz. You can trust me.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 29, 2025 04:15 PM (s8j++)

65 The honeymoon is over!
😱
Axios@axios
Exclusive: Most Americans now see Trump as "a dangerous dictator," poll says

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 29, 2025 04:15 PM (L/fGl)

66 Axios@axios
Exclusive: Most Americans now see Trump as "a dangerous dictator," poll says
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 29, 2025 04:15 PM (L/fG

LOL...Most ?

Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 04:16 PM (VE6XX)

67 I would suggest our ruling class clings to their belief system because that's how they keep themselves in clover. Destroying the actual system created by their beliefs will beggar them, hence their reaction to President Trump.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 29, 2025 04:13 PM (tT6L1)

ironically they created the monster. If they had gone along with him the first term and let him compromise with them they could have softened the blow.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 04:16 PM (n7h9X)

68 Last night was Shrimp Scampi Eve and I didn't do anything...

All my decorations are still in boxes from the last move.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 29, 2025 04:16 PM (/y8xj)

69 Severe thunderstorm watch in my area.. It kinda seems to be right outside my house!

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 29, 2025 04:16 PM (2J/Lj)

70 Axios@axios
Exclusive: Most Americans now see Trump as "a dangerous dictator," poll says
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 29, 2025 04:15 PM (L/fGl)
-------------

NPC's everywhere already believe this, so, who are they trying to convince?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 29, 2025 04:16 PM (tT6L1)

71 You know who else was a dangerous dictator?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 04:17 PM (VUnvY)

72 richboy Pritzker is calling for people to take to the streets and confront Republicans.
========
Jabba the Pritzker says what?

I would expect a bold move to claim that troons should have state funded fake penis AND vagina surgeries just like that Canadian dude won.

Two for one.

Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 04:17 PM (ctrM5)

73 Axios@axios
Exclusive: Most Americans now see Trump as "a dangerous dictator," poll says
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 29, 2025 04:15 PM (L/fG

LOL...Most ?
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 04:16 PM (VE6XX)

And yet the Democrats have a 20 percent approval.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 04:17 PM (n7h9X)

74 65 The honeymoon is over!
😱
Axios@axios
Exclusive: Most Americans now see Trump as "a dangerous dictator," poll says
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 29, 2025 04:15 PM (L/fGl)

I do not think that even they believe their bullshit…. it is just reflexive now…

Posted by: tubal at April 29, 2025 04:17 PM (PCK5/)

75 Our ruling class is based more on beliefs on how the world works rather than any empiricism as to what works and what does not work by trial and error.

These are people who whole heartedly believe in actualizing and visualizing, so you believe in something long enough and hard enough and the "universe" responds by changing to match that. They are big on astrology and karma as well. For them, reality is what they make it, not what it is. Nobody rules them, nobody tells them what to do.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:17 PM (2VST1)

76 57 Worked a little too well.

Report: Shedeur Sanders Purposely Tanked Pre-draft Interviews With Teams He Didn’t Like
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 29, 2025 04:09 PM (L/fGl)

Shadeur's basic issue is that a top of the draft QB can't 'do his own thing' or 'impose a culture' he likes. These guys are the face of the franchise and have to be salesmen suited to the team's fanbase or trouble is coming. This is on top of the NFL culture itself, like the fact he has only been coached by his own dad his whole life.

If he were a defensive end or like his dad, a CB, this wouldn't matter so much.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 04:14 PM (n7h9X)

The NIL made Shadeur a wealthy man before the draft, and he's still making a lot of money to ride the pine afterwards. Nice work if you can get it.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 29, 2025 04:17 PM (lPSim)

77 Trump wants to eliminate the income tax for people making less than 200k. Tariffs are magical.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 29, 2025 04:17 PM (/U5Yz)

78 Our Democrats Propaganda Ministry is out to protect the globalist, never mention other countries tariffs

Posted by: Skip at April 29, 2025 04:17 PM (ypFCm)

79 In retrospect, it's obvious Trump should have pushed first for his Big Beautiful Tax Bill to get done, delivering tax cuts to working people and the middle class, and then done tariffs. And to start off, he should have zeroed in on China. It is also obvious he should have never used the "51st state" rhetoric, and instead pounded Canada for abandoning defense obligations.

But these are picky little nits. Navarro may have the Presidents ear too strongly, but so what? The policy is exactly right, even if the politics weren't perfectly played, and in the end PDJT still holds all the high cards in the ongoing battles.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 29, 2025 04:17 PM (Xi8/k)

80 At this point Lori Lightfoot would be an improvement as Governor.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 29, 2025 04:18 PM (pZ64F)

81 If he were a defensive end or like his dad, a CB, this wouldn't matter so much.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 04:14 PM (n7h9X)

The Steelers drafted a D lineman in the first round. Immediately after the draft, he went home to see his dying mother, so he could tell her he got drafted. She died the next morning.

He then drove to Pittsburgh, because he couldn't get a flight, because he had already committed to make it the next day.

Needless to say, they draft differently in Pittsburgh than they do in Cleveland.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2025 04:18 PM (dGCAG)

82 He's technically 5th in the qb room now before mini camps.
===
PRETTY SURE IN DANTE THE REVISED INFERNO, THAT IS THE LOWEST CIRCLE OF HELL

Posted by: Worthlessberger lol at April 29, 2025 04:18 PM (o3121)

83 Shaduer Sanders didn’t get drafted until the fifth round because he’s not an NFL QB. Who wants all that drama for a backup?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 29, 2025 04:18 PM (u73oe)

84 I would suggest our ruling class clings to their belief system because that's how they keep themselves in clover. Destroying the actual system created by their beliefs will beggar them, hence their reaction to President Trump.
Posted by: blake
======
Good insight.

Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 04:18 PM (ctrM5)

85 >>He comes off as a bit namby-pamby, though. Maybe he should bite the head off a bat at his next presser.

Bessent was instrumental in helping Soros short the Bank of England and nearly broke it. He bit the head of a pterodactyl that day and after on Wall Street knows it.

He's pretty frigging smart when it comes to macro economics.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 29, 2025 04:18 PM (viF8m)

86 But back hair, that's super hot right? Women love that... right? Asking for a friend
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
......

I think Burt Reynolds and Sean Connery did alright with the ladies.

Posted by: wth at April 29, 2025 04:19 PM (v0R5T)

87 NPC's everywhere already believe this, so, who are they trying to convince?

They need very badly to believe that they are the majority, that history is on their side, that they have the momentum, and that everyone who disagrees is a small, weak, but loud minority. It made them so happy and comfortable to believe that until Trump demolished Kamala.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:19 PM (2VST1)

88 Shaduer Sanders is a black Johnny Manziel.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 29, 2025 04:19 PM (u73oe)

89 Unfortunately 'tariffs' are the new excuse, like 'supply chain' was during covid for a lot of domestic manufacturers.

Eh, it's a good excuse to jack up prices.

Posted by: haffhowershower at April 29, 2025 04:20 PM (144I4)

90 😱
Axios@axios
Exclusive: Most Americans now see Trump as "a dangerous dictator," poll says
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 29, 2025 04:15 PM (L/fGl)

I guess they missed the USA Today story saying most Republicans are happy with Trump in his first 100 days...So much for "most."

Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 04:20 PM (VE6XX)

91 Axios@axios
Exclusive: Most Americans now see Trump as "a dangerous dictator," poll says
-----
LOL...Most ?

Well, most of the ones we asked. Around the office.

Posted by: (H)Axios at April 29, 2025 04:20 PM (/y8xj)

92 The NIL made Shadeur a wealthy man before the draft, and he's still making a lot of money to ride the pine afterwards. Nice work if you can get it.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 29, 2025 04:17 PM (lPSim)

A fifth round pick doesn't make "a lot" of money. And he only gets paid if he makes the team. Which he might not.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2025 04:20 PM (dGCAG)

93 Shaduer Sanders didn’t get drafted until the fifth round because he’s not an NFL QB. Who wants all that drama for a backup?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 29, 2025 04:18 PM (u73oe)

Toronto of the CFL put him on their negotiate list so if/when the browns cut him they would have first dibs on him if no one else wanted him.

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 29, 2025 04:20 PM (MGB5H)

94 I have a wife, she married me, not for my looks or my money….

Posted by: tubal at April 29, 2025 04:21 PM (PCK5/)

95
Pritzker couldn't walk a hundred yards in a protest march or throw anything 40 feet away.

Please make him and Newsome the 28 ticket.

Posted by: Auspex at April 29, 2025 04:21 PM (j4U/Z)

96 84 I would suggest our ruling class clings to their belief system because that's how they keep themselves in clover. Destroying the actual system created by their beliefs will beggar them, hence their reaction to President Trump.
Posted by: blake

Yes. They're invested in his failure.

Posted by: Ordinary American at April 29, 2025 04:21 PM (h/ffs)

97 the Browns

See Ohio by bus!

Posted by: DaveA at April 29, 2025 04:21 PM (FhXTo)

98 87 NPC's everywhere already believe this, so, who are they trying to convince?

They need very badly to believe that they are the majority, that history is on their side, that they have the momentum, and that everyone who disagrees is a small, weak, but loud minority. It made them so happy and comfortable to believe that until Trump demolished Kamala.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:19 PM (2VST1)

If the Dems were smart, their brain trust would spend their time figuring out how they can beat Trump from first principles instead of outsourcing the attack to the MSM in the hopes that they would finally erode Trump's support. They don't want to do the hard work of ejecting the crazies from the party, however. Their loss is our gain.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 29, 2025 04:21 PM (lPSim)

99 Pritzker couldn't walk a hundred yards in a protest march or throw anything 40 feet away.

Fatso/ Greaseball 2028 !

Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 04:22 PM (VE6XX)

100 He's technically 5th in the qb room now before mini camps.
Posted by: BruceWayne
_________

He'll get the gig and implode, just like every other Browns QB since Tim Couch. They're cursed.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 29, 2025 04:22 PM (82UZX)

101 Severe thunderstorm watch in my area.. It kinda seems to be right outside my house!
Posted by: Madame Mayhem

Then what are you doing here? Follow instructions! Get to the window and watch it!

Posted by: mikeski at April 29, 2025 04:22 PM (i1rF7)

102 The NIL made Shadeur a wealthy man before the draft, and he's still making a lot of money to ride the pine afterwards. Nice work if you can get it.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 29, 2025 04:17 PM (lPSim)

We almost picked Sanders in the first round but none of us knew how to spell or say his first name so pass.

Posted by: New York Giants Front Office at April 29, 2025 04:22 PM (979V4)

103 Trump wants to eliminate the income tax for people making less than 200k. Tariffs are magical.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 29, 2025 04:17 PM (/U5Yz)

---------------

Notice the timing: The hysteria about the costs of tariffs has reached somewhat of a peak...and now President Trump hits the GOPe and Democrats with tax relief.

Democrats will be unable to support tax cuts and they'll get pounded in the mid-terms because they'll vote lockstep against anything which might make things easier for the average American.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 29, 2025 04:22 PM (tT6L1)

104 79 In retrospect, it's obvious Trump should have pushed first for his Big Beautiful Tax Bill to get done, delivering tax cuts to working people and the middle class, and then done tariffs. And to start off, he should have zeroed in on China. It is also obvious he should have never used the "51st state" rhetoric, and instead pounded Canada for abandoning defense obligations.

But these are picky little nits. Navarro may have the Presidents ear too strongly, but so what? The policy is exactly right, even if the politics weren't perfectly played, and in the end PDJT still holds all the high cards in the ongoing battles.
Posted by: Huck Follywood
========
Tax bill aka reconciliation package is aimed at before July. Complicated package to put together because of various budgetary scoring issues necessary for the reconciliation process.

Tariffs, being imposed as retaliatory, means that Trump can basically run trade policy without Congress in lowering or doubling down. And I think we see him attenuating circumstances when it threatens to hurt the economy badly in this or that sector. His recent auto move on tariffs to prevent stacking situations is such an example.

Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 04:22 PM (ctrM5)

105 95
Pritzker couldn't walk a hundred yards in a protest march or throw anything 40 feet away.

Please make him and Newsome the 28 ticket.
Posted by: Auspex at April 29, 2025 04:21 PM (j4U/Z)

He risks a stroke when getting up from the toilet…

Posted by: tubal at April 29, 2025 04:22 PM (PCK5/)

106 He'll get the gig and implode, just like every other Browns QB since Tim Couch. They're cursed.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 29, 2025 04:22 PM (82UZX)

Flacco or less likely Pickett will start the season as QB1.

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 29, 2025 04:23 PM (MGB5H)

107 Hockey player who slashed opponent's neck with his skate in 2023 avoids criminal charges in Britain

We have concluded that there is not a realistic prospect of conviction for any criminal offense and so there will not be a prosecution. Our thoughts remain with the family and friends of Adam Johnson.

-
Ahh, the no reasonable prosecutor standard.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 29, 2025 04:23 PM (L/fGl)

108 Notice the timing: The hysteria about the costs of tariffs has reached somewhat of a peak...and now President Trump hits the GOPe and Democrats with tax relief.

Democrats will be unable to support tax cuts and they'll get pounded in the mid-terms because they'll vote lockstep against anything which might make things easier for the average American.
Posted by: blake
=====
You said it better than I.

Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 04:23 PM (ctrM5)

109 Ladies and Gentlemen,your World Champion Cleveland Browns.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 04:23 PM (VUnvY)

110 We almost picked Sanders in the first round but none of us knew how to spell or say his first name so pass.
===
I was hoping the jets would pick him.....

Posted by: Lol at April 29, 2025 04:24 PM (o3121)

111 103 Trump wants to eliminate the income tax for people making less than 200k. Tariffs are magical.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 29, 2025 04:17 PM (/U5Yz)

---------------

Notice the timing: The hysteria about the costs of tariffs has reached somewhat of a peak...and now President Trump hits the GOPe and Democrats with tax relief.

Democrats will be unable to support tax cuts and they'll get pounded in the mid-terms because they'll vote lockstep against anything which might make things easier for the average American.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 29, 2025 04:22 PM (tT6L1)

So much this. And he timed the tariffs for just after the first quarter of 2025 ended, to give him the maximum runway to negotiate deals and close them before the end of this year. If he can do that, he front-loads all the bad news, with nothing but good news going into the midterms.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 29, 2025 04:24 PM (lPSim)

112 The thing I am most happy about so far is Trump ending Biden hyper-flation.

Groceries won't be going up 20% or more per year any more

Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 04:25 PM (t0Rmr)

113 We're the Factory Of Sadness™.

Posted by: Cleveland at April 29, 2025 04:25 PM (BVNfk)

114 Pritzker couldn't walk a hundred yards in a protest march or throw anything 40 feet away.

Please make him and Newsome the 28 ticket.
Posted by: Auspex

He risks a stroke when getting up from the toilet…
Posted by: tubal
......

he also risks falling through the floor.

Posted by: wth at April 29, 2025 04:26 PM (v0R5T)

115 What does TEMU make and ship?-in slightly more detail than 'cheap cr**" because I have never looked at their website and haven' ordered anything from them.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 29, 2025 04:12 PM (42Vb+)

They sell everything. Clothes, household goods, tools, appliances, toys, etc.

Honestly, not too bad. It’s the same trash that’s delivered to big box stores and Amazon by the shipping container, but at lower prices. Usually off-brand, but probably made in the same factories as the name-brand stuff.

I was just looking at 20 volt DeWalt-compatible batteries. Much cheaper than the real DeWalt branded ones.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 29, 2025 04:26 PM (l3YAf)

116 You said it better than I.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 04:23 PM (ctrM5)
---------

That's high praise. Thank you.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 29, 2025 04:26 PM (tT6L1)

117 He risks a stroke when getting up from the toilet…
Posted by: tubal

But he removed all the toilets from his house to lower his tax bill.

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 29, 2025 04:26 PM (MGB5H)

118 I was just looking at 20 volt DeWalt-compatible batteries. Much cheaper than the real DeWalt branded ones.

The last thing I would buy from Temu is a lithium battery.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 29, 2025 04:27 PM (s8j++)

119 Now, a $19 dress on Temu can cost nearly $45 after fees.

The only reason anyone bought anything from Temu was because it was cheap. The quality was infamously terrible, the site lied about its content, etc. Now they are charging premium prices for their awful crap? LOL

Oh no?! How will I continue never buying anything from Temu?
Posted by: Archimedes at April 29, 2025 04:10 PM (s8j++)
***

*throws self onto bed*
*crys into pillow*
Oh...I so wanted to buy one of those big birds.
Posted by: Diogenes

Bite the pillow! Bite the pillow!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 29, 2025 04:27 PM (KP+Ym)

120 116 You said it better than I.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 04:23 PM (ctrM5)
---------

That's high praise. Thank you.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 29, 2025 04:26 PM (tT6L1)

Indeed it is. Great insight.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 29, 2025 04:27 PM (lPSim)

121
Honestly, not too bad. It’s the same trash that’s delivered to big box stores and Amazon by the shipping container, but at lower prices. Usually off-brand, but probably made in the same factories as the name-brand stuff.

Not the stuff I've seen from them... Even Walmart wouldn't sell it...

Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 04:27 PM (VE6XX)

122 There's no way Pritzger has a standard toilet. It's reinforced, high volume and has a disposal in line to morselize his waste so it won't clog...

Posted by: TMI at April 29, 2025 04:28 PM (o3121)

123 That's high praise. Thank you.
Posted by: blake
======
I have no doubt you could shoot my old military bolt actions at a distance better than I as well. Hope your 30-06 adventures are going well.

Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 04:28 PM (ctrM5)

124 121
Honestly, not too bad. It’s the same trash that’s delivered to big box stores and Amazon by the shipping container, but at lower prices. Usually off-brand, but probably made in the same factories as the name-brand stuff.

Not the stuff I've seen from them... Even Walmart wouldn't sell it...
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 04:27 PM (VE6XX)

Maybe Dollar Tree??

Posted by: tubal at April 29, 2025 04:28 PM (PCK5/)

125 The goal is to get companies to just make a rational business decision to relocate here and not cause consumer price shocks while that happens. They are not going to invest billions if this stuff changes by the hour.

Incremental tariffs make way more sense imo. It takes years to just build a factory.

It also should have been done on a smaller scale. Start with china, win there, then move on to the next. USA took on the whole world at one time.

It's basically shaping up that way in practice, smaller targeted tariffs. But I think Trump burned up a lot of valuable political capital getting to that realization.

I still support the mission, but this was never going to be accomplished overnight.

Posted by: Leupold at April 29, 2025 04:29 PM (4pwAx)

126 Ladies and Gentlemen,your World Champion Cleveland Browns.
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 04:23 PM (VUnvY)
===================
For definitions of "world" that extends five miles in all directions from Berea.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 29, 2025 04:29 PM (LPC3S)

127 The last thing I would buy from Temu is a lithium battery.
Posted by: Archimedes

Only 183% more likely to spontaneously combust than the name brand!

Posted by: Temu at April 29, 2025 04:29 PM (i1rF7)

128
Maybe Dollar Tree??
Posted by: tubal at April 29, 2025 04:28 PM (PCK5/)

Never been in a Dollar Tree

Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 04:29 PM (VE6XX)

129 Bite the pillow! Bite the pillow!
Posted by: rickb223 at April 29, 2025 04:27 PM (KP+Ym)

Hey now, that is my thing!!!

Posted by: Hogg of the DNC at April 29, 2025 04:29 PM (ctrM5)

130 If they’re not real cheap anymore, I guess I can’t call Hakeem Jeffries TEMU Obama anymore.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 29, 2025 04:30 PM (u73oe)

131 Used car dealer has a sign that reads Pre Tariff Pricing!!

Uh.... Yeh. There aren't any tariffs on used cars. But I know the fucking idiots of the Peoples Socialist Utopia of Bloomington Indiana will eat that shit up. That dealer could make a fuck ton of money with that sign.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 29, 2025 04:30 PM (2J/Lj)

132 128
Maybe Dollar Tree??
Posted by: tubal at April 29, 2025 04:28 PM (PCK5/)

Never been in a Dollar Tree
Posted by: It's me donna at April 29, 2025 04:29 PM (VE6XX)

Cheapest shit in the world, uniformly filthy, sullen drug addicted help… not as much fun as it sounds…

Posted by: tubal at April 29, 2025 04:30 PM (PCK5/)

133 $1.25 Tree.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 04:30 PM (VUnvY)

134 Elon builds factories in months, not years.

How do you think he did that?

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 29, 2025 04:31 PM (W2Pud)

135 Partially the FNM/government hid the impacts of inflation by replacing quality American goods with cheap Chinese crap.

So inflation went up 1000% over the last 20 years but your costs were somewhat less...but now the products that lasted decades last years, everything falls apart in the wash, and your food has dozens of new non-food ingredients.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 04:31 PM (t0Rmr)

136 There's no way Pritzger has a standard toilet. It's reinforced, high volume and has a disposal

"Honestly we had to build it out of cinder blocks and rebar, but the whole flooring had to be reinforced in his house to handle the load"
--Pritzger's contractor

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:31 PM (2VST1)

137 So much this. And he timed the tariffs for just after the first quarter of 2025 ended, to give him the maximum runway to negotiate deals and close them before the end of this year. If he can do that, he front-loads all the bad news, with nothing but good news going into the midterms.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 29, 2025 04:24 PM (lPSim)
------------

Now that's an interesting observation. I hadn't thought about the quarterly aspect of the tariffs.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 29, 2025 04:31 PM (tT6L1)

138 uniformly filthy, sullen drug addicted help
===
So, basically a visit to the county administration bldg...

Posted by: TMI at April 29, 2025 04:31 PM (o3121)

139 The Browns drafted a QB whose been in college for six years and can't see over his center, and another QB who nobody wanted, all while ignoring Will Howard (who the fans would have loved).

Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 29, 2025 04:32 PM (LPC3S)

140 Bite the pillow! Bite the pillow!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 29, 2025 04:27 PM (KP+Ym)

That's my thing asshole

Posted by: David Hogg at April 29, 2025 04:32 PM (t0Rmr)

141 ichboy Pritzker is calling for people to take to the streets and confront Republicans.
========
Jabba the Pritzker says what?

I would expect a bold move to claim that troons should have state funded fake penis AND vagina surgeries just like that Canadian dude won.

Two for one.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 04:17 PM (ctrM5)

where the hell are they going to meet Republicans in the streets of inner cities, on a campus?

Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 04:32 PM (n7h9X)

142 So, basically a visit to the county administration bldg...

Never had a Dollar Tree employee tell me "sorry wrong line" after I'd been in line for an hour...

Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 04:33 PM (t0Rmr)

143 Hubby spoke to our nephew this morning about the happenings at Harley Davidson which led to a discussion about tariffs. Nephew worked for HC for 24 years and is now employed by a company that supplies HD and others. Hubby tried to explain that the tariff increases area a negotiating tactic and like so many others our nephew can only see the short term effects of the first month of the negotiating. His specialty is supply and he's seeing the possibility of increases in cost for items he sources and he's impatient for the negotiating tactics to start working.
I love my nephew dearly, however he's like so many others that do not realize that where we are now is the culmination of at least two decades of selling our souls to the heathen chinese. We lost manufacturing due to the search for lower costs which are based on cheap labor and lead to inferior products coming from abroad, mostly from China.
Patience is no longer a virtue in the US, companies who sold our manufacturing out for cheaper oversees made goods are now crying that change cannot come in a month when it took years to get where we are now.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at April 29, 2025 04:33 PM (2NHgQ)

144 Pritzger looks like he's on Ozempic. Lately it looks like his face is starting to emerge from the rolls of fat.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 29, 2025 04:33 PM (LPC3S)

145 Dollar Tree isn't that bad. Most of what they have is smaller versions of established products like sample size, and cheap knockoffs. Some of their stuff is just bulk purchases or overstock from other places they sell cheap. You gotta pick and choose but most of its fine.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:33 PM (2VST1)

146 Used car dealer has a sign that reads Pre Tariff Pricing!!

Uh.... Yeh. There aren't any tariffs on used cars. But I know the fucking idiots of the Peoples Socialist Utopia of Bloomington Indiana will eat that shit up. That dealer could make a fuck ton of money with that sign.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 29, 2025 04:30 PM (2J/Lj)

When I worked in a furniture store in my yooth, the manager would grab a stack of Was/Is stickers, write a random number on it, cross that out, and write another number.

As in, this sofa Was: $550. Is: $325.

It was all made up.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2025 04:33 PM (dGCAG)

147 109 Ladies and Gentlemen,your World Champion Cleveland Browns.
Posted by: Boss Moss
=====
Are you stuck in a 1950's time loop perchance?

Say hi to Jim and Paul Brown.

Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 04:33 PM (ctrM5)

148 Here is what a lot of industry is going to see - the US moving rapidly toward a balanced budget. That frees up capital for borrowing. They'll also see more and more supply line shortening, and capacity building, in the U.S. Hopefully they'll also see war, and rumors of war, receding.

Posted by: El Mariachi at April 29, 2025 04:34 PM (WffFd)

149 isn't Pritzger one of the four evil governors who deliberately put victims of the Wuhan Flu into nursing homes?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:34 PM (2VST1)

150 As in, this sofa Was: $550. Is: $325.

It was all made up.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2025 04:33 PM

So the prices were Sofa King Low?

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 29, 2025 04:35 PM (ewjUl)

151 ichboy Pritzker is calling for people to take to the streets and confront Republicans.

I suspect that we are going to need the FBI to start arresting these Blue State governors, because as we've seen their own police won't do anything about their organized terror campaigns.

And yes this will be just like how they broke up the KKK

Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 04:35 PM (t0Rmr)

152 135 Partially the FNM/government hid the impacts of inflation by replacing quality American goods with cheap Chinese crap.

So inflation went up 1000% over the last 20 years but your costs were somewhat less...but now the products that lasted decades last years, everything falls apart in the wash, and your food has dozens of new non-food ingredients.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 04:31 PM (t0Rmr)

-------------

Not to mention they relied on Moore's Law because they started throwing a factor in "more for your money" into the inflation calculation.

I've worked in manufacturing as an engineer for decades. Me, along with thousands or millions of other engineers worked every day to make manufacturing processes more efficient. All eaten up by inflation.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 29, 2025 04:35 PM (Wzq2W)

153 It also should have been done on a smaller scale. Start with china, win there, then move on to the next.

That would have required the next President to have a functioning brain, listen to advisors who aren't "experts", and have the best interests of the US at heart.

Other than Trump, we haven't had that since Reagan. Going slow was a recipe for still more of exactly what we had before, ad infinitum.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 29, 2025 04:35 PM (ExV1e)

154 isn't Pritzger one of the four evil governors who deliberately put victims of the Wuhan Flu into nursing homes?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:34 PM

I think so. Including Timpon. Goomba and Hairgel?

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 29, 2025 04:35 PM (ewjUl)

155 Used car dealer has a sign that reads Pre Tariff Pricing!!

Uh.... Yeh. There aren't any tariffs on used cars. But I know the fucking idiots of the Peoples Socialist Utopia of Bloomington Indiana will eat that shit up. That dealer could make a fuck ton of money with that sign.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem
===

I knew Trump voters saying that kind of stuff. Better buy your car before the tariffs kick in, etc.

To be fair, Trump signed an executive order saying every imported car would get a 25% tariff, and emphatically said he wasn't going to change it.

So what's a person supposed to think? If you were looking at a $40k car, that means it goes up $10,000 overnight. We're not talking about eggs being $2 more at the grocery store.

Posted by: Leupold at April 29, 2025 04:35 PM (4pwAx)

156 The left and “conservative” free traders keep cherry picking examples of American businesses hurt by this. Such and suck company had to lay off 300 people because they import all their shit from China and now it’s not available.

And we’re supposed to go? How horrible. Trump is killing jobs.

Instead what everyone should be saying is wait a second why is this company dependent on China this way? Would t it be better if they had American suppliers? But this is never discussed.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 29, 2025 04:36 PM (4iIP5)

157 The last thing I would buy from Temu is a lithium battery.
Posted by: Archimedes

Defibrillator.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 29, 2025 04:36 PM (ExV1e)

158 Now we have to prove that our $13,000 "pillows" are actual Americans...

Posted by: Wayfair at April 29, 2025 04:36 PM (XSDUb)

159 Posted by: Hogg of the DNC

David Weigel@daveweigel
Scoop: DNC could vote to oust David Hogg. Will hear a challenge next month by a Native American DNC member who lost the vice chair race, and wants a new election, citing "fairness and gender diversity" rules.

-
That's Native American feather not dot.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 29, 2025 04:36 PM (L/fGl)

160 Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 04:32 PM (n7h9X)

Does WI have any local, state or Congressional Delegates who are Republicans? I would guess Thete must be some If so . I assume Pritzker wants people to protest at their houses, or at governmental offices. What a vile thing to say.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 29, 2025 04:36 PM (qfCZb)

161 The last thing I would buy from Temu is a lithium battery.

Sex toys.

Trust me on this

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at April 29, 2025 04:36 PM (t0Rmr)

162 Oh. Hail! Getting darker and noisier out there.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 29, 2025 04:36 PM (2J/Lj)

163 where the hell are they going to meet Republicans in the streets of inner cities, on a campus?
Posted by: Oldcat
=======
Well, I think he will bus them to the outlying suburbs where they will do some chants and then go back to the inner city where they get paid when they get off the bus. Acorn used to pull that shit back in the day.

Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 04:36 PM (ctrM5)

164 Illinois might be a bigger failed state than CA, and that's saying something.

Pritzger is just disgusting to even look at.

Posted by: Leupold at April 29, 2025 04:37 PM (4pwAx)

165 isn't Pritzger one of the four evil governors who deliberately put victims of the Wuhan Flu into nursing homes?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:34 PM

I think so. Including Timpon. Goomba and Hairgel?
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 29, 2025 04:35 PM (ewjUl)

Wolf-PA, Cuomo-NY, Whitmer-MI, Walz-MI. Those t-he ones I know for sure.

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 29, 2025 04:37 PM (MGB5H)

166 Didn't all the New England governors intentionally spread COVID to nursing homes as well?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 04:37 PM (t0Rmr)

167 125 The goal is to get companies to just make a rational business decision to relocate here and not cause consumer price shocks while that happens. They are not going to invest billions if this stuff changes by the hour.

Incremental tariffs make way more sense imo. It takes years to just build a factory.

It also should have been done on a smaller scale. Start with china, win there, then move on to the next. USA took on the whole world at one time.

It's basically shaping up that way in practice, smaller targeted tariffs. But I think Trump burned up a lot of valuable political capital getting to that realization.

I still support the mission, but this was never going to be accomplished overnight.
Posted by: Leupold at April 29, 2025 04:29 PM (4pwAx)

I agree with you, but I still believe that there was no good way to do this. Any world that would have yelled and screamed because Trump 1.0 simply wanted NATO to pay what they originally agreed to pay was never going to roll over for this if 2.0 just asked nicely. Now he's upset the apple cart, he's changed the conversation. Nobody on the other side is arguing that the status quo ante was a good thing. That's a big deal.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 29, 2025 04:37 PM (lPSim)

168 To quote the taciturn Dexter White: While I am not unhappy to see the continuous conveyor belt of outrage and consternation delivered out day after day by Trump, I am less excited about participating in it.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 29, 2025 04:37 PM (D7oie)

169 When I worked in a furniture store in my yooth, the manager would grab a stack of Was/Is stickers, write a random number on it, cross that out, and write another number.

As in, this sofa Was: $550. Is: $325.

It was all made up.
Posted by: BurtTC

Freeze-frame a jewelry commercial sometime to read the fine print. It says something like "suggested retail price may not reflect actual sales."

Same thing. It's 80% off a "price" that was never offered to a customer.

Posted by: mikeski at April 29, 2025 04:38 PM (i1rF7)

170 David Weigel@daveweigel
Scoop: DNC could vote to oust David Hogg. Will hear a challenge next month by a Native American DNC member who lost the vice chair race, and wants a new election, citing "fairness and gender diversity" rules.

-
That's Native American feather not dot.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
=====
"Inconceivable!!"

Posted by: Hogg of the DNC at April 29, 2025 04:38 PM (ctrM5)

171 If the goal itself is tariffs, yeah.

But I don't think tariffs were the goal.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 04:01 PM (GBKbO)
==
Part of it most certainly was. The 10% default rate is in place.

Posted by: Black JEM at April 29, 2025 04:38 PM (GZYu7)

172 Oh no?! How will I continue never buying anything from Temu?

--

Same here. I think the only thing they're good for is making fun of their mega cheap junk.

Posted by: Lady in Black at April 29, 2025 04:38 PM (qBdHI)

173 All the Dollar stores sell junk, basically, but people will buy just about anything so they stay in business… if you wave “ bargain” in front of some folks they would buy sugar frosted turds…

Posted by: tubal at April 29, 2025 04:38 PM (PCK5/)

174 Same thing. It's 80% off a "price" that was never offered to a customer.
Posted by: mikeski at April 29, 2025 04:38 P

Kohls and TJ Max are holding on line 2.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 29, 2025 04:38 PM (ewjUl)

175 Trump = pro American
Weasel = pro American

Investments = 100% American

Profit!!!!

P.S. ignore the hysterical news cycle. These are the same people who have been lying to you about everything under the sun for years.

Posted by: Weasel at April 29, 2025 04:38 PM (Axc90)

176 I think so. Including Timpon. Goomba and Hairgel?
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 29, 2025 04:35 PM (ewjUl)
==================
HEY! That's Capo di Tutti Capi Goomba to you, smarty pants.

Posted by: Andrew and Fredo Cuomo at April 29, 2025 04:38 PM (Q+8fu)

177 Chinese Steel. LOLGF.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 04:39 PM (VUnvY)

178 Patience is no longer a virtue in the US, companies who sold our manufacturing out for cheaper oversees made goods are now crying that change cannot come in a month when it took years to get where we are now.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at April 29, 2025 04:33 PM (2NHgQ)

Which can be translated as "I'm close to retirement. Make someone else clean up the mess I made."

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 29, 2025 04:39 PM (ExV1e)

179 David Hogg will hear a challenge next month by a Native American DNC member who lost the vice chair race, and wants a new election, citing "fairness and gender diversity" rules.

Choose one, you can't have both fairness AND DEI.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:39 PM (2VST1)

180 preemptive desocking...

Posted by: Oddbob at April 29, 2025 04:39 PM (/y8xj)

181 So what's a person supposed to think? If you were looking at a $40k car, that means it goes up $10,000 overnight. We're not talking about eggs being $2 more at the grocery store.
Posted by: Leupold at April 29, 2025 04:35 PM (4pwAx)

It’s not quite $10k increase. $40k is the retail price. The import price is probably more like $30k. Hyundai USA imports the car for $30k then sells it to a dealer for $34k which then sells it to the customer for $40k. That kind of thing. Only the $30k is subject to tariffs.

Still a good chunk of change but not as much as people think.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 29, 2025 04:39 PM (4iIP5)

182 It was all made up.

Knew a motorcycle dealer whose ads quoted "studies and reports " which he made up.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at April 29, 2025 04:39 PM (XwY6p)

183 I agree with you, but I still believe that there was no good way to do this.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 29, 2025 04:37 PM (lPSim)

He has about 20 months to effect policy changes. Incremental over that time frame is not at all.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 04:39 PM (i24o9)

184 preemptive desocking...
Posted by: Oddbob at April 29, 2025 04:39 PM

Wait, Wut? Is that even legal?

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 29, 2025 04:40 PM (ewjUl)

185 Every country on Earth is asking themselves an important question: What can I do to import more stuff from the US, so I can reduce my trade surplus, and hence reduce my tariffs?

It wouldn't surprise me a bit to see US exports double in the next couple of years.

Trump wisely has stopped playing bullshit games. He realizes that large persistent trade deficits means the country in question likely has some sort of trade barrier in the way, even in a world of zero tariffs. When every country in the world runs a persistent trade surplus with the U.S., something is very wrong.

Posted by: El Mariachi at April 29, 2025 04:40 PM (WffFd)

186 Sugar Frosted Turds? They're Great!

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 04:40 PM (VUnvY)

187 P.S. ignore the hysterical news cycle. These are the same people who have been lying to you about everything under the sun for years.
Posted by: Weasel at April 29, 2025 04:38 PM (Axc90)
======================
This be true.

Especially the polls they are coming out with right now feel like complete fiction.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 29, 2025 04:40 PM (Q+8fu)

188 Wolf-PA, Cuomo-NY, Whitmer-MI, Walz-MI. Those t-he ones I know for sure.
-----------------
Murphy - NJ. Oddly, he lost his re-election until overnight someone found a thumbie with 40K votes for Murphy in Newark.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 29, 2025 04:40 PM (pZ64F)

189 Sorry, I am not beholden to any one politician or political party nor will I ever be. So I'm immune to the spin. This was a fucking disaster. Tariffs are dumb and i half the people who go around spouting Thomas Sowell quotes took the time to actually read his books, they would agree tariffs are dumb as well. They are a tax on your own citizens.

All he had to do was follow the economic roadmap of his first term and the economy would have boomed. But, at heart, he is a 1990s, New York, old school, unionist Democrat who just loves tariffs.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 04:40 PM (w6p9p)

190 But I don't think tariffs were the goal.

Trump intends for tariffs to replace at least some of the income tax load, so they can be reduced or eliminated for more of the population.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:41 PM (2VST1)

191 sugar frosted turds…

Posted by: tubal at April 29, 2025 04:38 PM (PCK5/)

Wait! Who has sugar frosted turds in stock?

Posted by: Beto at April 29, 2025 04:41 PM (i24o9)

192 >>Didn't all the New England governors intentionally spread COVID to nursing homes as well?

They were all harvesting Inheritance Taxes.

Posted by: garrett at April 29, 2025 04:41 PM (Ruu2t)

193 Such and suck company had to lay off 300 people because they import all their shit from China and now it’s not available.

If China would lower wages in their slave labor camps- perhaps citizens could pay for the privilege of working?-they could avoid the effects of the tariffs.

Posted by: t-bird at April 29, 2025 04:41 PM (98iWb)

194 I have to laugh at some of the corporate assholes claiming they can't make changes to their supply line this quickly.

What have you been doing since Trump won the election last year?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 04:41 PM (t0Rmr)

195 192 >>Didn't all the New England governors intentionally spread COVID to nursing homes as well?

They were all harvesting Inheritance Taxes.
Posted by: garrett at April 29, 2025 04:41 PM (Ruu2t)

Man, that's cold.

Absolutely correct, but cold.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 29, 2025 04:42 PM (lPSim)

196 Posted by: Leupold at April 29, 2025 04:35 PM (4pwAx)

Did you miss the USED part of the car dealer?

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 29, 2025 04:42 PM (2J/Lj)

197 Useta be a time when guys like Jack Lambert or Dick Butkus could realign these panty wast qb's.

Posted by: Elrond Hubbard at April 29, 2025 04:43 PM (tXwiM)

198 preemptive desocking...
------
Wait, Wut? Is that even legal?

Some socks are just too gross to risk a fail. I usually do it on the previous inactive thread but I was just lazy this time.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 29, 2025 04:43 PM (/y8xj)

199 195 192 >>Didn't all the New England governors intentionally spread COVID to nursing homes as well?

They were all harvesting Inheritance Taxes.
Posted by: garrett at April 29, 2025 04:41 PM (Ruu2t)

Man, that's cold.

Absolutely correct, but cold.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 29, 2025 04:42 PM (lPSim)

Killing off the Olds might have had an unintended consequence for the Left…

Posted by: tubal at April 29, 2025 04:43 PM (PCK5/)

200 Didn't all the New England governors intentionally spread COVID to nursing homes as well?

I think that was famously New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. Maybe someone in New England did the same, but they didn't get big numbers.

Posted by: t-bird at April 29, 2025 04:43 PM (9Niia)

201 David Hogg will hear a challenge next month by a Native American DNC member who lost the vice chair race, and wants a new election, citing "fairness and gender diversity" rules.

Choose one, you can't have both fairness AND DEI.

--

Still, I wouldn't be able to say I wouldn't laugh if Hogg Boy gets gored by the Diversity Monsters he helped create.

Posted by: Lady in Black at April 29, 2025 04:43 PM (qBdHI)

202 Do the Chinese manufacture used cars?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 04:43 PM (VUnvY)

203 >>That would have required the next President to have a functioning brain, listen to advisors who aren't "experts", and have the best interests of the US at heart.

One of the key parts of this negotiation was isolating China right from the start. For years, China has used other countries as a shipping ghost to dump their products on the US. That's why Trump put tariffs on places like a remote island in the South Pacific that is almost uninhabited. Many people were LOLing at stupid Trump but he was taking away China's options. Canada was notorious for doing this with Chinese steel. It's also why they are sitting in the cold until Trump is done negotiating with major markets like India and the EU.

Nothing Trump, Bessent and team is random or without purpose. They understand how many companies but mainly China have been boning us for decades and he's trying to fix all of the problems not just swat a few mosquitos.

There's a need to move fast but not dumb. It's not a crisis if there are a few months of discomfort if it results in a new fair trade world trading market. All the pain will be forgotten quickly.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 29, 2025 04:43 PM (viF8m)

204 Shaduer Sanders is a black Johnny Manziel.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 29, 2025 04:19 PM (u73oe)

The Browns learned a little by not feeding Sanders' ego.
With Manziel they traded into Round 1 to get him after picking someone else with their real round 1 pick. That was a mistake I felt, nobody was going to pick up Manziel before round 2.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 04:44 PM (n7h9X)

205 Killing off the Olds might have had an unintended consequence for the Left…
-----------------
It was to pay for free healthcare for invaders.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 29, 2025 04:44 PM (pZ64F)

206 This flew under the radar I think. Apple announced it would start making iPhones in India starting in 2026. They’re not fully abandoning Chy -nah, only diversifying.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 29, 2025 04:44 PM (4iIP5)

207 >> I am not beholden to any one politician or political party nor will I ever be. So I'm immune to the spin. This was a fucking disaster. Tariffs are dumb and i half the people who go around spouting Thomas Sowell quotes took the time to actually read his books, they would agree tariffs are dumb as well. They are a tax on your own citizens.

What is Inflation, then?

Tariffs are only a perceived Tax on your Citizens.

But, it is not a Tax applied to your Citizens, nor is it paid by your Citizens.

Will your Citizens be impacted by Tariffs? Sure. But they are not being Taxed.

Posted by: garrett at April 29, 2025 04:44 PM (Ruu2t)

208 There's a need to move fast but not dumb. It's not a crisis if there are a few months of discomfort if it results in a new fair trade world trading market. All the pain will be forgotten quickly.

Yep. 2026 elections will mostly be decided by the state of the economy in the summer of next year.

If you are doing something disruptive now is the time to do it.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 04:44 PM (t0Rmr)

209 Wait until Pokeestan drops the first nuke on New Delhi. Everything changes.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 29, 2025 04:44 PM (/U5Yz)

210 Imagine this conversation:

Trump: You've been running a $50 billion trade surplus with us for the last 10 years.
Country A: Well, that's just how it goes.
Trump: Okay, we are going to slap a $20 billion tariff on all of that. That should bring that surplus down nicely.
Country A: Whoa whoa. wait. How about if we import $20 billion in John Deere tractors?
Trump: Sounds good. But we expect this to reach zero in the near future...
Country A: And natural gas. And wheat....
Trump: Okay, I'll give you a year to fix this.
Country A: Call China - tell them we are canceling all our tractor orders with them. Call Canada - tell them we don't need their corn. Call Qatar, and get us out of the gas contract.

Posted by: El Mariachi at April 29, 2025 04:45 PM (WffFd)

211 Tim Scott seems a little more cunning than Jeff Bezos…

Posted by: tubal at April 29, 2025 04:45 PM (PCK5/)

212 I like us working with India a hell of a lot more than with China.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:45 PM (2VST1)

213 Are the sugar frosted turds fair trade? Organic?

Posted by: Karen McAwfl at April 29, 2025 04:45 PM (BVNfk)

214 Help! No one cares what I say and I can't do any real work! Please clap.

Posted by: David Muir at April 29, 2025 04:45 PM (Q+8fu)

215 Thomas Sowell quotes took the time to actually read his books, they would agree tariffs are dumb as well. They are a tax on your own citizens.

Ok, choose a tax: income, investment, or tariff. Why are the former two better then the latter?

Or are we playing the game where we pretend those others aren't paid by taxpayers?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 04:46 PM (t0Rmr)

216 Knew a motorcycle dealer whose ads quoted "studies and reports " which he made up.
Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at April 29, 2025 04:39 PM (XwY6p)

Next you'll tell me there are NOT hot singles in my area waiting to meet me.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2025 04:46 PM (dGCAG)

217 Regulations aren't Taxes, either.

But they damned well affect the Cost of Products.

Posted by: garrett at April 29, 2025 04:46 PM (Ruu2t)

218 213 Are the sugar frosted turds fair trade? Organic?
Posted by: Karen McAwfl at April 29, 2025 04:45 PM (BVNfk)

Free Range, Ethically Harvested and Sourced…

Posted by: tubal at April 29, 2025 04:46 PM (PCK5/)

219 Tariffs are dumb and i half the people who go around spouting Thomas Sowell quotes took the time to actually read his books, they would agree tariffs are dumb as well. They are a tax on your own citizens.

----------------

All of the other countries fucking over America & Americans for decades by imposing tariffs on our exports disagree.

Posted by: ShainS at April 29, 2025 04:46 PM (4UH+q)

220 170 David Weigel@daveweigel
Scoop: DNC could vote to oust David Hogg. Will hear a challenge next month by a Native American DNC member who lost the vice chair race, and wants a new election, citing "fairness and gender diversity" rules.

-
That's Native American feather not dot.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
_____________________________

I think this sort of nonsense is my favorite part of progressives. They're so wrapped up in being the victim that they will go after anyone and anything to acquire the status. I'm waiting on a progressive schizophrenic to take himself to court complaining about being a vegan, and one of their personalities ate a cheesesteak.

Posted by: Orson at April 29, 2025 04:46 PM (dIske)

221 I don't give a pinch of owl dung for the hysteria of the markets.

I'd like Trump to squash the rogue judges but otherwise, I have few complaints about the past 100 days.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 29, 2025 04:46 PM (xcxpd)

222 189 Sorry, I am not beholden to any one politician or political party nor will I ever be. So I'm immune to the spin. This was a fucking disaster. Tariffs are dumb and i half the people who go around spouting Thomas Sowell quotes took the time to actually read his books, they would agree tariffs are dumb as well. They are a tax on your own citizens.

All he had to do was follow the economic roadmap of his first term and the economy would have boomed. But, at heart, he is a 1990s, New York, old school, unionist Democrat who just loves tariffs.
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 04:40 PM (w6p9p)

There is one more aspect to this. We can't have a booming economy forever and ever without dealing with the debt. Biden saddled Trump with trillions of it - trillions of short-term debt - before shuffling out the door. If we don't refinance toot sweet this country is hitting a wall that will inevitably get blamed on Trump. He needs to front-load the pain and refi to get ahead of that. If that gets the Fed to push interest rates down it will be worth it. I think Trump's actually uniquely qualified to do this because he's been through corporate bankruptcies before.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 29, 2025 04:47 PM (lPSim)

223 Sorry, . . .

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 04:40 PM (w6p9p)

I question the authenticity of your apology.

Posted by: Beto at April 29, 2025 04:47 PM (i24o9)

224 Wait until Pokeestan drops the first nuke on New Delhi. Everything changes.

No more call center spam

Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 04:47 PM (t0Rmr)

225 New organic sustainable Sugar Frosted Turds.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 04:47 PM (VUnvY)

226 Useta be a time when guys like Jack Lambert or Dick Butkus could realign these panty wast qb's.
Posted by: Elrond Hubbard at April 29, 2025 04:43 PM (tXwiM)

Still happens in the AFC North. Manziel learned his lesson after mouthing off before playing Cincinnati and the team almost shut him out, sacking him repeatedly and picking him off a few times.

Sanders better be careful if he plays against them. its not a good division to make mistakes in.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 04:48 PM (n7h9X)

227 This flew under the radar I think. Apple announced it would start making iPhones in India starting in 2026. They’re not fully abandoning Chy -nah, only diversifying.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 29, 2025 04:44 PM (4iIP5)

I'm not breaking up with you. I just think we should start seeing other people.

Posted by: LASue at April 29, 2025 04:48 PM (lCppi)

228 Save up to 80% off!!

Wait a second the price is only 10% off, you said 80.

I said up to 80. And 10 is up to 80.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 29, 2025 04:48 PM (4iIP5)

229 Tariffs are a means to an end and not an end in and of themselves.

If they're so awful was virtually every other country on face of the earth been tariffing the shit out of us for decades?

Posted by: JackStraw at April 29, 2025 04:48 PM (viF8m)

230 What is Inflation, then?

Tariffs are only a perceived Tax on your Citizens.

But, it is not a Tax applied to your Citizens, nor is it paid by your Citizens.

Will your Citizens be impacted by Tariffs? Sure. But they are not being Taxed.
Posted by: garrett at April 29, 2025 04:44 PM (Ruu2t)

Perceived tax? There's nothing perceived about them. If you bought something last year for $100 that was imported from a country we had a free trade agreement with, and now that country is subject to the baseline 10% tariff, the same product now costs you $110. That $10 is not imaginary, it's not monopoloy money. It comes out of your pocket.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 04:48 PM (w6p9p)

231 All he had to do was follow the economic roadmap of his first term and the economy would have boomed. But, at heart, he is a 1990s, New York, old school, unionist Democrat who just loves tariffs.
Posted by: Lamont Cranston
=====
Sowell was a labor economist not a macro guy and he is at 90, essentially stuck in the post WWII macro economic world.

There are quite a few more economists around than Sowell and each of them have their specialty.
Some empirical, not ivory tower economists, which Hoover Institute is the definition thereof, immersed in the minutiae of trade and currency imbalances recognize that when other countries like China devalue their currency purposefully to result in a never ending trade surplus, then there is no such thing as a free trade because even Ricardo who formulated comparative advantage theory and Adam Smith, Mr. Wealth of Nations himself recognized that national security required nations to be able to make 'something".

The key to what you are seeking is ceterus paribus case which Sowell ignores. That is all things equal (currency, labor flows, welfare, nat sec held constant), that freer trade is likely to result in both nations having higher GDPs.

Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 04:48 PM (ctrM5)

232 Sorry, I am not beholden to any one politician or political party nor will I ever be. So I'm immune to the spin. This was a fucking disaster. Tariffs are dumb and i half the people who go around spouting Thomas Sowell quotes took the time to actually read his books, they would agree tariffs are dumb as well. They are a tax on your own citizens.

All he had to do was follow the economic roadmap of his first term and the economy would have boomed. But, at heart, he is a 1990s, New York, old school, unionist Democrat who just loves tariffs.
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 04:40 PM (w6p9p)

Lots of people around here quoted Sowell and said that tariffs were bad and dumb and horrible and would destroy the country. Others pointed out that every other country on Earth has tariffs and, yet, somehow it worked out just fine for them.

Have you considered coming up with a different reason why we should be pissed at Trump?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 29, 2025 04:49 PM (ExV1e)

233 229 Tariffs are a means to an end and not an end in and of themselves.

If they're so awful was virtually every other country on face of the earth been tariffing the shit out of us for decades?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 29, 2025 04:48 PM (viF8m)

Lots of other countries have gun control and socialized healthcare too. Should we copy that?

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 04:49 PM (w6p9p)

234 I think this sort of nonsense is my favorite part of progressives. They're so wrapped up in being the victim that they will go after anyone and anything to acquire the status. I'm waiting on a progressive schizophrenic to take himself to court complaining about being a vegan, and one of their personalities ate a cheesesteak.

Posted by: Orson at April 29, 2025 04:46 PM (dIske)

Dems are all about the same words coming out of highest level of perceived victim.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 29, 2025 04:49 PM (KbCG3)

235 Next you'll tell me there are NOT hot singles in my area waiting to meet me.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2025 04:46 PM (dGCAG)

They are actually sweaty, hairy lesbos who hate you.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 04:49 PM (i24o9)

236 Wait until Pokeestan drops the first nuke on New Delhi. Everything changes.
--------------------
No more call center spam
Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 04:47 PM (t0Rmr)
=================
You will missed the last chance to extend your car warranty.

Posted by: David Muir at April 29, 2025 04:49 PM (Q+8fu)

237 All he had to do was follow the economic roadmap of his first term and the economy would have boomed. But, at heart, he is a 1990s, New York, old school, unionist Democrat who just loves tariffs.
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 04:40 PM (w6p9p)

Trump is a McKinley Republican from the 1900s.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 04:49 PM (n7h9X)

238 232 Sorry, I am not beholden to any one politician or political party nor will I ever be. So I'm immune to the spin. This was a fucking disaster. Tariffs are dumb and i half the people who go around spouting Thomas Sowell quotes took the time to actually read his books, they would agree tariffs are dumb as well. They are a tax on your own citizens.

All he had to do was follow the economic roadmap of his first term and the economy would have boomed. But, at heart, he is a 1990s, New York, old school, unionist Democrat who just loves tariffs.
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 04:40 PM (w6p9p)

Lots of people around here quoted Sowell and said that tariffs were bad and dumb and horrible and would destroy the country. Others pointed out that every other country on Earth has tariffs and, yet, somehow it worked out just fine for them.

Have you considered coming up with a different reason why we should be pissed at Trump?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 29, 2025 04:49 PM (ExV1e)

Other countires do a lot of dumb shit. Like have communist governments and gun control and socialized healthcare. You want to copy that as well?

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 04:50 PM (w6p9p)

239 BYU gave Sanders a taste of what's coming..

Posted by: Elrond Hubbard at April 29, 2025 04:50 PM (tXwiM)

240 Wouldn't sanders be the second coming of Ryan Leaf?

Posted by: Aetius451AD workphone bot at April 29, 2025 04:50 PM (IX69m)

241 If they're so awful was virtually every other country on face of the earth been tariffing the shit out of us for decades?

The big flaw with the anti-tariff people is that they seem to think that we're in a vacuum and Trump went nuts throwing them all over the place. They don't realize that Canada has like 125% tariffs on cheese from the USA, that nearly every nation on earth has tariffs on us already, and some of them over 200%.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:50 PM (2VST1)

242 235 Next you'll tell me there are NOT hot singles in my area waiting to meet me.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2025 04:46 PM (dGCAG)

They are actually sweaty, hairy lesbos who hate you.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 04:49 PM (i24o9)

You mean they are not just 10 minutes away??? I guess if you live near the Villages they are…

Posted by: tubal at April 29, 2025 04:51 PM (PCK5/)

243 Wait until Pokeestan drops the first nuke on New Delhi. Everything changes.

No more call center spam
Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 04:47 PM (t0Rmr)

I'll miss the hourly calls from Steve, Mark, Susan, Becky, and the gang.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 29, 2025 04:51 PM (Aqu9a)

244 I see TEMU as a factory direct outlet kind of thing for mass produced crap. Have gotten a few things from it, mostly decorations or favors for events/parties and it was fine for that. Quality stuff? Nah. But there’s a lot of people on a budget who like to shop for deals. Maybe they think they’ll alienate Trump from those people. Americans have shopping problems is what I say.

Posted by: H at April 29, 2025 04:51 PM (9XdxT)

245 If nobody else has Tarriffs and you impose Tarriffs that is a bad move. Because it makes your citizens worse off. But if everyone else has Tarriffs and you don’t, that also fuck your citizens over.

It’s not an easy back/white tariff is good/bad thing.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 29, 2025 04:51 PM (4iIP5)

246 Wouldn't sanders be the second coming of Ryan Leaf?
Posted by: Aetius451AD workphone bot at April 29, 2025 04:50 PM (IX69m)

That was Jamarcus Russell

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 29, 2025 04:51 PM (MGB5H)

247 Next you'll tell me there are NOT hot singles in my area waiting to meet me.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2025 04:46 PM (dGCAG)

They are actually sweaty, hairy lesbos who hate you.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 04:49 PM (i24o9)

Make no mistake, the hot singles aren't all that fond of me either.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2025 04:51 PM (dGCAG)

248 What kind of food coloring has been added to those sugar frosted turds?

Posted by: RFK Junior at April 29, 2025 04:51 PM (BVNfk)

249 233 229 Tariffs are a means to an end and not an end in and of themselves.

If they're so awful was virtually every other country on face of the earth been tariffing the shit out of us for decades?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 29, 2025 04:48 PM (viF8m)

Lots of other countries have gun control and socialized healthcare too. Should we copy that?
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 04:49 PM (w6p9p)

On a case-by-case basis, yes. Most countries don't have birthright citizenship, for instance. I'm all for that.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 29, 2025 04:51 PM (lPSim)

250 >>Perceived tax? There's nothing perceived about them. If you bought something last year for $100 that was imported from a country we had a free trade agreement with, and now that country is subject to the baseline 10% tariff, the same product now costs you $110. That $10 is not imaginary, it's not monopoloy money. It comes out of your pocket.

It is literally NOT a Tax.

It is perceived as a Tax.

But the Tax is applied to the Foreign Corporation. If it is not paid, YOU aren't at risk for Tax Evasion.

And let's not pretend that Pricing works the Vacuum you imagine. A $10 increase in production costs does not directly lead to a $10 increase in Consumer Pricing.

Pricing is set based on the Market. And a company selling a product is selling that product at the Max they perceive the Market can bear.
If production costs go up $10 and Markets will only support a $2 increase before sales drop off, they won't be raising pricing by a full $10.

Posted by: garrett at April 29, 2025 04:52 PM (Ruu2t)

251 This flew under the radar I think. Apple announced it would start making iPhones in India starting in 2026. They’re not fully abandoning Chy -nah, only diversifying.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 29, 2025 04:44 PM (4iIP5)

Sure, they can ship Chinese iPhones to everywhere on Earth that isn't the US. They'll move their US bound production to India. Which'll get nuked by Pakistan. Apple will be utterly unprepared for that because the only number on the spreadsheet is dollar per hour labor.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 29, 2025 04:52 PM (ExV1e)

252 The last thing I would buy from Temu is a lithium battery.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 29, 2025 04:27 PM (s8j++)

I’m sure they’re the same cheap Chinese-made cells that are in every other power tool. Do you seriously think DeWalt is sourcing its batteries from the United States?

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 29, 2025 04:53 PM (l3YAf)

253 Make no mistake, the hot singles aren't all that fond of me either.

Yeah there may be plenty of hot singles in my area, but they are not interested in me LOL

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:53 PM (2VST1)

254 If you bought something last year for $100

Exactly. "If you bought something". Not "if you own something" or "if you earn something" or "if you exist". You're seeing it.

Posted by: t-bird at April 29, 2025 04:53 PM (SnwCX)

255 The free trade mantra is lower costs supersede all else. Well no sorry they don’t. I’m willing to pay $3 for an item instead of $2.75 if that means half the cities in America aren’t boarded up ghost towns.

There’s more to a society than how cheap will my plastic trinkets be.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 29, 2025 04:54 PM (4iIP5)

256 Wait until the Flock Of Karens find out their beloved Europe all limit abortion to 16 weeks or so.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 29, 2025 04:54 PM (Q+8fu)

257 I like us working with India a hell of a lot more than with China.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:45 PM (2VST1)

Sure, but it's important to remember that India is no more our friend than China is.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 29, 2025 04:54 PM (ExV1e)

258 Lots of other countries have gun control and socialized healthcare too. Should we copy that?
===
Lots of other countries free load on nato and spend nothing on defense....

Say, I think maybe you are on to something Lamont

Posted by: TMI at April 29, 2025 04:54 PM (o3121)

259 When you go on vacay do youunplug all your power tool lithium battery chargers??

Posted by: tubal at April 29, 2025 04:54 PM (PCK5/)

260 Should be a Portland tourism ad.

https://shorturl.at/ew5QX

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 29, 2025 04:54 PM (L/fGl)

261 The DUs are NOT calm!

Repeat,

The DUs are NOT calm!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 29, 2025 04:54 PM (0sNs1)

262 I am not beholden to any one politician or political party nor will I ever be. So I'm immune to the spin. This was a fucking disaster. Tariffs are dumb and i half the people who go around spouting Thomas Sowell quotes took the time to actually read his books, they would agree tariffs are dumb as well. They are a tax on your own citizens.

What is Inflation, then?

Tariffs are only a perceived Tax on your Citizens.

But, it is not a Tax applied to your Citizens, nor is it paid by your Citizens.

Will your Citizens be impacted by Tariffs? Sure. But they are not being Taxed.
Posted by: garrett at April 29, 2025 04:44 PM (Ruu2t)

And if you don't want to pay high tariffs, buy from inside the country, or from a country we have a good trade balance with.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 04:55 PM (n7h9X)

263 I like us working with India a hell of a lot more than with China.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
.....

Does India make WM Dolls too?

Posted by: wth at April 29, 2025 04:55 PM (v0R5T)

264 This flew under the radar I think. Apple announced it would start making iPhones in India starting in 2026.

Oh, good. Their software is top-notch! Would love to see what their unskilled labor can produce.

Posted by: t-bird at April 29, 2025 04:55 PM (SnwCX)

265 >>Lots of other countries have gun control and socialized healthcare too. Should we copy that?

Well that's dumb.

Did you know that for the first 100 years+ this country was built on tariffs? That's before there was an income tax. Worked out just fine. Maybe Sowell didn't get around to reading about that.

Trump is trying to use tariffs as a short term tool to change the behavior of country's that have been bleeding us dry with tariffs and restrictive trade policies. And it's working. It sound like the deal with India, a place that had 110% tariffs on our automobiles. What will happen to sales of cars and trucks built in the US if we can start selling them in markets like India that have previously been off limits?

People who insist on not looking at what Trump is actually doing and just quoting books out of context and examples that have nothing to do with international trade are just arguing to argue.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 29, 2025 04:55 PM (viF8m)

266 257 I like us working with India a hell of a lot more than with China.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:45 PM (2VST1)

Sure, but it's important to remember that India is no more our friend than China is.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 29, 2025 04:54 PM (ExV1e)

Plus every box of their stuff smells like curry….

Posted by: tubal at April 29, 2025 04:55 PM (PCK5/)

267 I like us working with India a hell of a lot more than with China.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:45 PM (2VST1)

--------------

If a Dem VP with an Indian immigrant wife and half-Indian children traveled to India and was making mutually-beneficial trade deals -- it would be headline news for #TwoWeeks.

Instead, of course, we get *crickets* from the MDM-MSM Progda Enemedia Sycophantic Propagandist Whores ...

Posted by: ShainS at April 29, 2025 04:55 PM (4UH+q)

268 249 233 229 Tariffs are a means to an end and not an end in and of themselves.

If they're so awful was virtually every other country on face of the earth been tariffing the shit out of us for decades?
Posted by: JackStraw at April 29, 2025 04:48 PM (viF8m)

Lots of other countries have gun control and socialized healthcare too. Should we copy that?
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 04:49 PM (w6p9p)

On a case-by-case basis, yes. Most countries don't have birthright citizenship, for instance. I'm all for that.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 29, 2025 04:51 PM (lPSim)

We have the highest GDP in the world. We have the highest standard of living in the world. The average income in Mississippi is higher than it is in Europe. So why exactly should we be copying the economic policies of other countries?

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 04:55 PM (w6p9p)

269 253 Make no mistake, the hot singles aren't all that fond of me either.

Yeah there may be plenty of hot singles in my area, but they are not interested in me LOL
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:53 PM (2VST1)

The only way for me to get any hot singles would be to iron some $1 bills.

Posted by: Dark and desperate times these are at April 29, 2025 04:55 PM (TbWk/)

270 >>Well that's dumb.

Damn. You are being really kind here.

Posted by: garrett at April 29, 2025 04:55 PM (Ruu2t)

271 The DUs are NOT calm!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 29, 2025 04:54 PM (0sNs1)

Are they worked up on their own foolish ideas, or on opinions shoved into their brains by their handlers?

Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 04:56 PM (n7h9X)

272 Hello, I am Bob from the Cleveland and I am calling about your car extended warranty.

/Klaxon goes off

Please do not pay attention to the noise you are hearing.

/Swearing in Hindi in the background

So we have a wonderful offer for you from the Ford Autosmobiles.

/Screaming in Hindi

Uh...um...quickly can you uh agree to pay the fee to protect your car

/BOOM

/Phone hangs up

Posted by: Coming soon to a junk call near you at April 29, 2025 04:56 PM (t0Rmr)

273 " ... The advantage of tariffs is that it can be tweaked to suit revenue and policy needs by the executive rather than the club of the income tax on the populace."

a disadvantage, if you ask the party that enjoys using clubs on the people. but then, that's the whole point, innit?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 29, 2025 04:56 PM (/Ghsb)

274 268 We have the highest GDP in the world. We have the highest standard of living in the world. The average income in Mississippi is higher than it is in Europe. So why exactly should we be copying the economic policies of other countries?
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 04:55 PM (w6p9p)

========

Do...you think Trump started tariffs in America as policy?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 04:56 PM (GBKbO)

275 256 Wait until the Flock Of Karens find out their beloved Europe all limit abortion to 16 weeks or so.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 29, 2025 04:54 PM (Q+8fu)

This has been the case forever. And they don’t care. And never will.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 29, 2025 04:56 PM (4iIP5)

276 Sure, but it's important to remember that India is no more our friend than China is.

India never officially declared cyber war on the USA. They may not love us, but they aren't enemies of the US and everything we stand for.

The free trade mantra is lower costs supersede all else. Well no sorry they don’t. I’m willing to pay $3 for an item instead of $2.75 if that means half the cities in America aren’t boarded up ghost towns.

Yeah that's the key here. It will likely cost me a bit more to buy things for a while but the end goal is a stronger, more self sufficient, working America so that my neighborhoods and state and nation are functioning, not collapsing. And we aren't subsidizing our enemies.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:56 PM (2VST1)

277 Hogg being bounced out of his DNC job because of DEI produces schadenfreude on steroids and human growth hormone

Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 29, 2025 04:57 PM (Er3Q7)

278 Flock of Karens opened for someone…

Posted by: tubal at April 29, 2025 04:57 PM (PCK5/)

279 Still a good chunk of change but not as much as people think.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 29, 2025 04:39 PM (4iIP5)

They charge you the tariff on the shipping amount as well.

I agree with Trump and the sentiment, but I think it remains to be see what unintended consequences arise.

A lot of businesses went to China for products because their competitors did.

I've said it before, you don't move supply chains overnight. There are also not enough factories in the US to support it. Also the shortage of manufacturing capacity here will be even more impacted when people try to re-shore.

Finally, and these aren't the only things, but there is a shortage of workers.

I have been in manufacturing for over 30 years, from the floor up to COO.

We live in interesting times.

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at April 29, 2025 04:57 PM (NtVYv)

280 265 >>Lots of other countries have gun control and socialized healthcare too. Should we copy that?

Well that's dumb.

Did you know that for the first 100 years+ this country was built on tariffs? That's before there was an income tax. Worked out just fine. Maybe Sowell didn't get around to reading about that.

Trump is trying to use tariffs as a short term tool to change the behavior of country's that have been bleeding us dry with tariffs and restrictive trade policies. And it's working. It sound like the deal with India, a place that had 110% tariffs on our automobiles. What will happen to sales of cars and trucks built in the US if we can start selling them in markets like India that have previously been off limits?

People who insist on not looking at what Trump is actually doing and just quoting books out of context and examples that have nothing to do with international trade are just arguing to argue.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 29, 2025 04:55 PM (viF8m)

No dumber than pointing to other countries who are exponentially poorer than us and arguing that we should copy their economic model.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 04:57 PM (w6p9p)

281 Or are we playing the game where we pretend those others aren't paid by taxpayers?
Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 04:46 PM (t0Rmr)

I guess the issue is if we have to pay all three. The D's would go for that in a heartbeat. And they will change the tariffs to a Climate Change Charge.

Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 04:57 PM (E0p3T)

282 It is literally NOT a Tax.
====================
It is an input cost. It factors into pricing just as any cost would be factored, and in many cases the seller of goods will choose a lower margin over selling reduced volumes. Unlike a tax, whose full effect is delivered to the consumer, a tariff may be covered in part or whole by the seller.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 29, 2025 04:57 PM (Q+8fu)

283 >>We have the highest GDP in the world. We have the highest standard of living in the world. The average income in Mississippi is higher than it is in Europe. So why exactly should we be copying the economic policies of other countries?

That is the Leverage in this equation, dummy.

Posted by: garrett at April 29, 2025 04:58 PM (Ruu2t)

284 Flock of Karens opened for someone…
Posted by: tubal at April 29, 2025 04:57 PM (PCK5/)

Managers.

Posted by: They're always asking to see them! at April 29, 2025 04:58 PM (TbWk/)

285 I like the idea that every country's leader loves his/her country.

Okay. Let make deals.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at April 29, 2025 04:58 PM (ZmEVT)

286 This flew under the radar I think. Apple announced it would start making iPhones in India starting in 2026.

Oh, good. Their software is top-notch! Would love to see what their unskilled labor can produce.
Posted by: t-bird at April 29, 2025 04:55 PM (SnwCX)

Their workforce of Muslim slaves in China is probably equally unskilled.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 04:58 PM (n7h9X)

287 No dumber than pointing to other countries who are exponentially poorer than us and arguing that we should copy their economic model.

You know repeating yourself over and over doesn't make the opponent's argument disappear or become false.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:58 PM (2VST1)

288 Other countires do a lot of dumb shit. Like have communist governments and gun control and socialized healthcare. You want to copy that as well?
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 04:50 PM (w6p9p)

Would you prefer that we implement a national sales tax? Perhaps... 50%. Would that make you happier? Sure, it wouldn't do anything about creating jobs for US citizens and it'd probably hamper the economy but, hey, it wouldn't be tariffs.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 29, 2025 04:59 PM (ExV1e)

289 268 We have the highest GDP in the world. We have the highest standard of living in the world. The average income in Mississippi is higher than it is in Europe. So why exactly should we be copying the economic policies of other countries?
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 04:55 PM (w6p9p)

GDP is in many ways a bullshit number. It includes all govt spending. And sure we have a high gdp because we borrow $1T+ a year to fund it all. It’s like saying you’re rich because you have $500k in credit card debt while you make $100k a year.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 29, 2025 04:59 PM (4iIP5)

290 A murder of Karens.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at April 29, 2025 04:59 PM (ZmEVT)

291 The key to what you are seeking is ceterus paribus case which Sowell ignores. That is all things equal (currency, labor flows, welfare, nat sec held constant), that freer trade is likely to result in both nations having higher GDPs.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 04:48 PM (ctrM5)

============

We basically paid for China's military build up so we have had to spend trillions more on the military to counter the threat.

I have yet to hear any free trader speak to that.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 29, 2025 04:59 PM (Wzq2W)

292 Awww, I wanted Hogg to stay, just bought popcorn last week

Posted by: Skip at April 29, 2025 04:59 PM (ypFCm)

293 Are they worked up on their own foolish ideas, or on opinions shoved into their brains by their handlers?
Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 04:56 PM

Narrator: Is it time to invoke the magic of AND?

Duncanthrax: * uptwinkles *

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 29, 2025 04:59 PM (0sNs1)

294 274 268 We have the highest GDP in the world. We have the highest standard of living in the world. The average income in Mississippi is higher than it is in Europe. So why exactly should we be copying the economic policies of other countries?
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 04:55 PM (w6p9p)

========

Do...you think Trump started tariffs in America as policy?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 04:56 PM (GBKbO)

Who knows? Because he's given about four different reasons for them. Which rationale do you like best?

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 04:59 PM (w6p9p)

295 182 It was all made up.

Knew a motorcycle dealer whose ads quoted "studies and reports " which he made up.

next you'll tell me that buffet in vegas *wasn't* voted #1!

Posted by: anachronda at April 29, 2025 04:59 PM (sGtp+)

296 It's a tax if I say so.

Posted by: Justice Roberts at April 29, 2025 04:59 PM (fAR9i)

297 love Scott Bessent and not in a romantic way since he's gay. He's smart and very articulate.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 29, 2025 04:13 PM (42Vb+)

Lesbianism has never stopped me from romantically loving women. Then again those might not have been real lesbians. Sure could've fooled me though.

Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 04:59 PM (E0p3T)

298 >>Unlike a tax, whose full effect is delivered to the consumer, a tariff may be covered in part or whole by the seller.

And, as OldCat pointed out, completely avoided by the consumer by choosing a different supplier.

Posted by: garrett at April 29, 2025 04:59 PM (Ruu2t)

299 That is the Leverage in this equation, dummy.
===
You are being very generous.

Posted by: TMI at April 29, 2025 04:59 PM (o3121)

300
If the goal itself is tariffs, yeah.

But I don't think tariffs were the goal.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 04:01 PM (GBKbO)

I'm pretty sure that the goal was remind the rest of the world that they need the US a hell of a lot more than we need them. They were due.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 29, 2025 04:59 PM (y9nCu)

301 Just bought two DeWalt-compatible 8Ah lithium ion batteries from Temu for $39. Price at Lowes for a single one is $199, pre-tax.

I’m going to dissect them and compare to my DeWalt batteries, but I bet they’re near-identical.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 29, 2025 05:00 PM (l3YAf)

302 294 Who knows? Because he's given about four different reasons for them. Which rationale do you like best?
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 04:59 PM (w6p9p)

=======

You keep talking like Trump introduced tariffs and we had free trade agreements with the world.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 05:00 PM (GBKbO)

303 what M A E said @221

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 29, 2025 05:00 PM (/Ghsb)

304 It is literally NOT a Tax.

It acts like a tax: it increases government revenue by money from citizens. The difference is that its applied to major corporations, not citizens, and when it reaches citizens, its progressive and consumption based: the more you buy the more you feel it.

But instead of raising prices to add to government coffers, it instead affects the earning of other nations to add to the government.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 05:00 PM (2VST1)

305 If you don't buy imported items you don't pay tariffs. You pay as much as you want to.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 05:01 PM (VUnvY)

306 India produces some very good engineers. They try to come here ASAP. Once they get here, they never want to move back.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at April 29, 2025 05:01 PM (ZmEVT)

307 This flew under the radar I think. Apple announced it would start making iPhones in India starting in 2026.

Oh, good. Their software is top-notch! Would love to see what their unskilled labor can produce.

Posted by: t-bird at April 29, 2025 04:55 PM (SnwCX)

-------------

OUT: "Hey Siri ..."
IN: "Hey Shiva ..."

Posted by: ShainS at April 29, 2025 05:01 PM (SioDU)

308 289 268 We have the highest GDP in the world. We have the highest standard of living in the world. The average income in Mississippi is higher than it is in Europe. So why exactly should we be copying the economic policies of other countries?
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 04:55 PM (w6p9p)

GDP is in many ways a bullshit number. It includes all govt spending. And sure we have a high gdp because we borrow $1T+ a year to fund it all. It’s like saying you’re rich because you have $500k in credit card debt while you make $100k a year.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 29, 2025 04:59 PM (4iIP5)

Okay. I noticed you skipped right past the median annual income argument. NO COUNTRY IN THE WORLD CAN MATCH OUR STANDARD OF LIVING. So again, why in the hell would you want to copy the tariff policies of other countiries?

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 05:01 PM (w6p9p)

309 USHA: You're not going to the wedding, are you?

ELAINE: Well..

USHA: Don't go. India is a dreadful, dreadful place.

ZUBIN: You know, it's the only country that still has the plague? I mean, the plague! Please!

USHA: Here's the registry. Send her a gift, and be glad you did not have to go.

ELAINE: (Soaking it in) Right. Don't go. Send a gift. I think I understand.

ZUBIN: If I had to go to India, I wouldn't go to the bathroom the entire trip.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 29, 2025 05:02 PM (Aqu9a)

310 India is pursuing India's interest. They largely align with ours, at least for now, but obviously not fully.

For all the FNM whining about Russian hacking, India is the culprit most Americans should fear.

Who hasn't had an elderly relative scammed by "Bob from New York" who oddly has a Hindi accent?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 05:02 PM (t0Rmr)

311 & ditto JS @ 203

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 29, 2025 05:02 PM (/Ghsb)

312 I’m going to dissect them and compare to my DeWalt batteries, but I bet they’re near-identical.

I have seen them cut open and examined: they are not the same. They aren't even from the same company despite the DeWalt badging. Project Farm on Youtube has examined this several times.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 05:02 PM (2VST1)

313 If a Dem VP with an Indian immigrant wife and half-Indian children traveled to India and was making mutually-beneficial trade deals -- it would be headline news for #TwoWeeks.

It should be noted that Usha Vance is American by birth. Her parents immigrated (legally) before she was born.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 29, 2025 05:02 PM (ExV1e)

314 Just bought two DeWalt-compatible 8Ah lithium ion batteries from Temu for $39. Price at Lowes for a single one is $199, pre-tax.

I’m going to dissect them and compare to my DeWalt batteries, but I bet they’re near-identical.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 29, 2025 05:00 PM (l3YAf)

Yeah, I got that "deal" on Amazon. One was dead (I suspect it can be revived; don't have time for the cost). The other was marginally usable as a battery.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 05:02 PM (i24o9)

315 Wait until Pokeestan drops the first nuke on New Delhi. Everything changes.

No more call center spam
Posted by: 18-1

Yeah, but there'd be a downside too.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 29, 2025 05:03 PM (L/fGl)

316
You keep talking like Trump introduced tariffs and we had free trade agreements with the world.
==
BUT WE'RE RICH I TELLS YA!! FILTHY STINKING RICH!!!! And he's ruining everything.... my investments....

Posted by: TMI at April 29, 2025 05:03 PM (o3121)

317 CNBC has been fretting that oil prices are "too low' and that's entirely Trump's fault. Oil companies aren't making enough money suddenly.

Their irony meter is pulverized, it is so broken.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 29, 2025 05:03 PM (Q+8fu)

318 Awww, I wanted Hogg to stay, just bought popcorn last week
Posted by: Skip at April 29, 2025 04:59 PM (ypFCm)

If they are trying to shame Hogg out, well, we knew he had no shame already climbing over his classmate's corpses to get to the cameras.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 05:03 PM (n7h9X)

319 isn't Pritzger one of the four evil governors who deliberately put victims of the Wuhan Flu into nursing homes?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 04:34 PM

-----------

No

Posted by: Bigsmith at April 29, 2025 05:03 PM (1Au9i)

320 why in the hell would you want to copy the tariff policies of other countiries?

Again, you keep repeating yourself as if nobody has said anything. Try reading and thinking more and repeating yourself less. This has been answered like 18 times.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 05:04 PM (2VST1)

321 GDP is in many ways a bullshit number. It includes all govt spending. And sure we have a high gdp because we borrow $1T+ a year to fund it all. It’s like saying you’re rich because you have $500k in credit card debt while you make $100k a year.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 29, 2025 04:59 PM (4iIP5)

Exactly. Trying to optimize for GDP just led to a deeply-indebted society where entire industries got outsourced. A complete disaster.

Not to mention US GDP growth for the last several quarters was less than the Federal deficit. We’re borrowing $1 trillion every 100-ish days to create less than a $1 trillion boost to GDP. Insanity.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 29, 2025 05:04 PM (l3YAf)

322 In the 100 days I think we need to be tracking how many of these mealy-mouthed entertainers, celebrities and mainstream media dorks commit to leaving the country as vociferously promised.

Take your shit to Greenland so we can all point and laugh at you again after we annex Greenland, and you tuck tail for a second time and run.

Posted by: Rev Wishbone at April 29, 2025 05:04 PM (fY84s)

323 I am almost 70. I don't need furniture, electronics, etc. Just food.

And bourbon and beer.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at April 29, 2025 05:04 PM (ZmEVT)

324 If they are trying to shame Hogg out, well, we knew he had no shame already climbing over his classmate's corpses to get to the cameras.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 05:03 PM (n7h9X)

He had to ride his bike to the school first.

Posted by: BruceWayne at April 29, 2025 05:04 PM (MGB5H)

325 305 If you don't buy imported items you don't pay tariffs. You pay as much as you want to.
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 29, 2025 05:01 PM (VUnvY)

Price of domestic goods increases as well. Say the going rate for an item is $100. Tarriff comes in and now it’s $120 for foreign made items. Domestic producers won’t keep selling for $100. They’ll probably sell for $110. Still cheaper than foreign competition but they won’t let the entire $20 sit on the table untouched.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 29, 2025 05:04 PM (4iIP5)

326 Sorry, I am not beholden to any one politician or political party nor will I ever be. So I'm immune to the spin. This was a fucking disaster. Tariffs are dumb and i half the people who go around spouting Thomas Sowell quotes took the time to actually read his books, they would agree tariffs are dumb as well. They are a tax on your own citizens.

All he had to do was follow the economic roadmap of his first term and the economy would have boomed. But, at heart, he is a 1990s, New York, old school, unionist Democrat who just loves tariffs.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 04:40 PM (w6p9p)
==
Yes, but globalism in all its glory was a significant tax on the lower classes. Choose your poison. He has installed a 10% global tariff and no one has complained. The other stuff with China is a security issue, and successive administrations will continue to treat them harshly.

Posted by: Black JEM at April 29, 2025 05:04 PM (GZYu7)

327 Again, you keep repeating yourself as if nobody has said anything. Try reading and thinking more and repeating yourself less. This has been answered like 18 times.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 05:04 PM (2VST1)

Forget it. He's on a roll.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 05:04 PM (i24o9)

328 CNBC has been fretting that oil prices are "too low' and that's entirely Trump's fault. Oil companies aren't making enough money suddenly.

Their irony meter is pulverized, it is so broken.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 29, 2025 05:03 PM (Q+8fu)

Also lower oil prices impact Russia's economy some making them more interested in a peace, assuming the EU gains some sense somehow.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 05:04 PM (n7h9X)

329 CNBC has been fretting that oil prices are "too low' and that's entirely Trump's fault. Oil companies aren't making enough money suddenly.

Their irony meter is pulverized, it is so broken.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 29, 2025 05:03 PM (Q+8fu)

Soon they'll pull an FDR and demand that oil companies start dumping millions of gallons of petroleum out into the ocean to bolster prices.

Posted by: And raise demand for cleanup projects. Win win! at April 29, 2025 05:05 PM (TbWk/)

330 The left forever: We need to stop these peasants from buying cheap plastic crap from China, it is bad for the Erf.

/Trump beats China over the head with tariffs

The left now: How dare CheatoMussolini interfere with our sacred right to buy cheap plastic crap from China?!?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 05:05 PM (t0Rmr)

331 323 I am almost 70. I don't need furniture, electronics, etc. Just food.

And bourbon and beer.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at April 29, 2025 05:04 PM (ZmEVT)

George Thorogood wrote about it….

Posted by: tubal at April 29, 2025 05:05 PM (PCK5/)

332 >>We have the highest GDP in the world. We have the highest standard of living in the world. The average income in Mississippi is higher than it is in Europe. So why exactly should we be copying the economic policies of other countries?

We have a $2 trillion trade deficit. How long do you think our standard of living is going to last with a $2 trillion dollar deficit not to mention an unsustainable debt?

Things must change. What tools would you suggest we just to get countries in the world from making it impossible to sell our goods to them while they dumb cheap shit on us with none of the restrictions they place on our products?

This is basic stuff. That's why Trump started out with reciprocal tariffs. You know, we will tariff your products at the same level you tariff ours. How is this hard to understand? All other countries have to do is remove those barriers and tariffs and our come down too.

But not China because in addition to everything else China steal our IP, does not allow us access to their courts to resolve disputes and doesn't play by our stock market rules. China will have other penalties to pay.

This is not hard to understand.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 29, 2025 05:05 PM (viF8m)

333 302 294 Who knows? Because he's given about four different reasons for them. Which rationale do you like best?
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 04:59 PM (w6p9p)

=======

You keep talking like Trump introduced tariffs and we had free trade agreements with the world.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, smashy-smashy with Godzilla at April 29, 2025 05:00 PM (GBKbO)

We had a free trade agreement with Canada and Mexico that Trump himself negotiated. We didn't have a 145% tariff on China. I assume you know that the BS tariff chart he showed everyonje had new tariffs imposed that were based not on reciprocity, but on trade deficits.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 05:05 PM (w6p9p)

334 The same people who have been robbing the middle class blind for decades are really, really telling the truth this time about tariffs.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 29, 2025 05:05 PM (NwfFc)

335 Nood

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 29, 2025 05:05 PM (i24o9)

336 We have the highest GDP in the world. We have the highest standard of living in the world. The average income in Mississippi is higher than it is in Europe. So why exactly should we be copying the economic policies of other countries?
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 04:55 PM (w6p9p)

This may come as a shock to you but a significant portion of our citizenry have "the highest standard of living in the world" only because we continue shitting out tons of fake dollars from DC. That's why we're a bit over $36T in debt. This cannot continue.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 29, 2025 05:05 PM (ExV1e)

337 I am almost 70. I don't need furniture, electronics, etc. Just food.

Yeah people like you are really tough to buy presents for. Pretty much everything you ever wanted you already have (at least what I could possibly buy as a gift). You don't need more crap to clutter up your house.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 05:06 PM (2VST1)

338 There’s no love lost between India and China. India if nothing else will align with us against them.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 29, 2025 05:06 PM (4iIP5)

339 Yes, but globalism in all its glory was a significant tax on the lower classes. Choose your poison
===
I believe Lamont's preferred poison is the one that effects the lower classes. IYKWIMAITTYD

Posted by: TMI at April 29, 2025 05:06 PM (o3121)

340 IT'S A TAX!

Posted by: Black robed Roberts at April 29, 2025 05:07 PM (63Dwl)

341 "151 ichboy Pritzker is calling for people to take to the streets and confront Republicans.

I suspect that we are going to need the FBI to start arresting these Blue State governors, because as we've seen their own police won't do anything about their organized terror campaigns.

And yes this will bejust like how they broke up the KKK

Posted by: 18-1 at April 29, 2025 04:35 PM (t0Rmr) "

Egg-zackly!
reminds me of the meme: "I haven't seen democrats this mad since the last time we took away their slaves" LOL

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 29, 2025 05:07 PM (/Ghsb)

342 Giant Crab Island = Amelia Earhart. Book it.

Posted by: The Oak Island Boyz at April 29, 2025 05:07 PM (0sNs1)

343 > I have seen them cut open and examined: they are not the same. They aren't even from the same company despite the DeWalt badging. Project Farm on Youtube has examined this several times.

I haven't seen Project Farm's teardowns, but I've seen lots of electronics teardowns. I'd be willing to bet the individual battery cells are much lower quality. The wires are probably much cheaper (eg aluminum instead of copper and thinner). The BMS is probably much cheaper. The thermal sensor is probably cheaper. It might not even have a fuse. Cheap electronics can be a real shit-show.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 29, 2025 05:07 PM (lIio7)

344 Price of domestic goods increases as well. Say the going rate for an item is $100. Tarriff comes in and now it’s $120 for foreign made items. Domestic producers won’t keep selling for $100. They’ll probably sell for $110. Still cheaper than foreign competition but they won’t let the entire $20 sit on the table untouched.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 29, 2025 05:04 PM (4iIP5)

You are imagining that price competition is only between foreign products and domestic. All it takes is for one domestic to break the cartel and its down to 100 dollars again.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 05:07 PM (n7h9X)

345 Price of domestic goods increases as well. Say the going rate for an item is $100. Tarriff comes in and now it’s $120 for foreign made items. Domestic producers won’t keep selling for $100. They’ll probably sell for $110. Still cheaper than foreign competition but they won’t let the entire $20 sit on the table untouched.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 29, 2025 05:04 PM (4iIP5)

Sure, but only in the short term. Higher margins means more investment in domestic production which means more competition and lower margins. With the added bonus of more Americans who can afford to buy things due to the fruits of their own labor, and not because of debt-fueled credit expansion.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 29, 2025 05:08 PM (l3YAf)

346 We have a $2 trillion trade deficit. How long do you think our standard of living is going to last with a $2 trillion dollar deficit not to mention an unsustainable debt?

Things must change. What tools would you suggest we just to get countries in the world from making it impossible to sell our goods to them while they dumb cheap shit on us with none of the restrictions they place on our products?

This is basic stuff. That's why Trump started out with reciprocal tariffs. You know, we will tariff your products at the same level you tariff ours. How is this hard to understand? All other countries have to do is remove those barriers and tariffs and our come down too.

But not China because in addition to everything else China steal our IP, does not allow us access to their courts to resolve disputes and doesn't play by our stock market rules. China will have other penalties to pay.

This is not hard to understand.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 2

What do tariffs have to do with our debt? You could tariff every single product from every single country at 100% and it wouldn't even fund the government for a year.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 05:08 PM (w6p9p)

347 342 Giant Crab Island = Amelia Earhart.

i was expecting brian dennehy

Posted by: anachronda at April 29, 2025 05:09 PM (sGtp+)

348 You keep talking like Trump introduced tariffs and we had free trade agreements with the world.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
=====
Goal post shifting. First up was argument by Authoritah! aka Sowell.

The problem with free trade is that those other things in ceterus paribus waving off need to be accounted for politically. Notice the next move was to argue we are so wealthy that we can afford trade imbalances when we are roughly 36 trillion or so in debt.

Detroit looks like a bombed out Berlin while Hiroshima and Nagasaki are bustling and prosperous after being nuked.

Trade has lumpy effects within a nation so that even if the apparent GDP is higher because Bezos and the investor class benefits, that does not mean the other 80 percent or so do.

That GDP is a shitty measure of economic wellbeing is another argument but the basic problem is that real average per capita income in the US has stagnated since the 1970's. Only blip upwards was during Trump's first term which is important. Countries have to be run for the benefit of all its citizens rather than for just a small portion of it to remain in existence.

Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 05:09 PM (ctrM5)

349 We had a free trade agreement with Canada and Mexico that Trump himself negotiated. We didn't have a 145% tariff on China. I assume you know that the BS tariff chart he showed everyonje had new tariffs imposed that were based not on reciprocity, but on trade deficits.
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 05:05 PM (w6p9p)

if we have a free trade with Canada, why are butter, meat,chicken all at about 200 percent there?

Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 05:09 PM (n7h9X)

350 What do tariffs have to do with our debt? You could tariff every single product from every single country at 100% and it wouldn't even fund the government for a year.
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 05:08 PM (w6p9p)

Persistent decade-over-decade trade deficits with the whole world can only be sustained by constant credit expansion. That means debt.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 29, 2025 05:10 PM (l3YAf)

351 You don't need more crap to clutter up your house.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2025 05:06 PM (2VST1)

Give me consumables. Bourbon and beer, and smoked turkey.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at April 29, 2025 05:11 PM (ZmEVT)

352 All you need to know about Trump's economic proposals is:

The people benefiting the most from the current system are howling the loudest.

They stole your ability to have a good job, afford a house, afford a car, afford a family, afford a vacation, afford a retirement, etc.

But this--this time for real--they care about you.

Fuck 'em.

They're not my countrymen.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 29, 2025 05:11 PM (NwfFc)

353 336 We have the highest GDP in the world. We have the highest standard of living in the world. The average income in Mississippi is higher than it is in Europe. So why exactly should we be copying the economic policies of other countries?
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 04:55 PM (w6p9p)

This may come as a shock to you but a significant portion of our citizenry have "the highest standard of living in the world" only because we continue shitting out tons of fake dollars from DC. That's why we're a bit over $36T in debt. This cannot continue.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 29, 2025 05:05 PM (ExV1e)

Actually shitting out fake dollars from DC LOWERS the standard of living, because the dollars that we earn are worth less.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at April 29, 2025 05:11 PM (w6p9p)

354 The key to what you are seeking is ceterus paribus case which Sowell ignores.

-
Ceterus Paribus is the three headed dog of economic mythology. One's teeth are inflation. One's teeth are recession. The third's teeth are stagflation.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 29, 2025 05:11 PM (L/fGl)

355 That GDP is a shitty measure of economic wellbeing is another argument but the basic problem is that real average per capita income in the US has stagnated since the 1970's. Only blip upwards was during Trump's first term which is important. Countries have to be run for the benefit of all its citizens rather than for just a small portion of it to remain in existence.
Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 05:09 PM (ctrM5)

yeah GDP has its issues. Ukraine found out when Russia despite a low GDP is able to build an army faster than the US and EU added together because theirs has lots of mass industrial and raw materials and our GDP is shuffling paperwork.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 05:12 PM (n7h9X)

356 What do tariffs have to do with our debt? You could tariff every single product from every single country at 100% and it wouldn't even fund the government for a year.
Posted by: Lamont Cranston
======
Second and third order effects. In essence, reshoring the economy means people are employed at better jobs and higher wages that generate more tax revenue and decrease welfare expenditures.

Massive trade deficits that are persistent indicate that China is manipulating its currency as does Japan and the other Asian tigers to promote exports at the expense of their own population consumption. Unmanipulated trade would result in higher yuan, yen, baht, etc. that would dampen exports by increasing prices but increase consumer demand for exports from the US among others.

You are essentially a one armed economist dreamed of by FDR that could not say on the other hand.

Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 05:12 PM (ctrM5)

357 yeah GDP has its issues. Ukraine found out when Russia despite a low GDP is able to build an army faster than the US and EU added together because theirs has lots of mass industrial and raw materials and our GDP is shuffling paperwork.
Posted by: Oldcat
======
As must as I loathe Rosseau, his one point worth remembering is that the polity's guide to a 'good government' should be the general wealth of the populace increasing resulting in organic population growth and lifespan.

GDP does not measure that.

Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 05:15 PM (ctrM5)

358 The same people that told us the entire world economy would collapse if we didn't pass TARP ...

With trillion dollar budgets locked in for decades now ...

And thereby giving themselves billions and trillions borrowed from you, your grandchildren, your great-grandchildren and even great, great grandchildren ...

Really, really, really want you to know that you're too stupid to understand economics and need to trust them this time.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 29, 2025 05:15 PM (NwfFc)

359 ersistent decade-over-decade trade deficits with the whole world can only be sustained by constant credit expansion. That means debt.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 29, 2025 05:10 PM (l3YAf)

Another issue that mitigated this was the dollar standard for trade, we could dilute the blow by making traders use our inflatobux. With the new worldwide trade blocs coming up nations will be evading using dollars increasingly if we keep up with this.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 29, 2025 05:17 PM (n7h9X)

360 Actually shitting out fake dollars from DC LOWERS the standard of living, because the dollars that we earn are worth less.
Posted by: Lamont Cranston
=======
Economies are not black boxes that you assume them to be. Inflationary effects, like trade effects are lumpy. Some benefit and some lose much more than others. Wealthy benefit far more from inflation than do poor people for example. Wealthy benefit far more from cheap imported labor for servants (which is why Irish were common in proper English households as lower servants in Victoria's England), than do the people who would have taken those jobs, and so on.

Flat world, promoted by Friedmann is a world where the elites meet in a seamless pretty world as Elois while the Morlocks toil to make things living in the darkness. If you want, you can use France instead of the US as an example. Elites live cloistered lives while the others are being driven to desperation to keep what little they have.

Posted by: whig at April 29, 2025 05:18 PM (ctrM5)

361 My county is full of Asian Indians, medical, offices everywhere

Posted by: Skip at April 29, 2025 05:24 PM (ypFCm)

362 Everything is going to get routed to the U.S. Demand for U.S. goods is going to go through the roof. And here is the thing - China has been predatory with EVERYONE. They all hate China, and if the choice is pleasing China or the US, the US wins every time. China and Russia are the people everyone is afraid of, and much of the middle east isn't far behind. Why not cancel stuff with them first, in favor of buying from the U.S.?

Gas line to the North slope? Dollars to donuts Japan offers to build it

Posted by: El Mariachi at April 29, 2025 05:26 PM (WffFd)

363 One armed or one note

Posted by: ... at April 29, 2025 05:27 PM (E0p3T)

364 Guess we are willowed

Posted by: Skip at April 29, 2025 05:31 PM (ypFCm)

365 The slimeball that stole Noem's Purse is a Illegal Alien(Future Democrat Voter and Supporters)from Chili now he is in Jail

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at April 29, 2025 05:38 PM (FLiOE)

366 this place has went down the toilet. You clowns would be losing your ever loving minds if a democrat acted this retarded.

Posted by: foolotto at April 29, 2025 07:48 PM (928Rt)

Processing 0.07, elapsed 0.0684 seconds.
14 queries taking 0.0156 seconds, 374 records returned.
Page size 219 kb.
Powered by Minx 0.8 beta.