Gun Thread: Pre-May Edition!

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Holy Shitballs! How in the ever-loving Hell did it get to be almost May? Know what comes after May? June! Know what happens in June, specifically June 21st, 2025? The 2025 NoVAMoMe! Scroll down for details.

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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FUNdamentals

Fundamentals of sight alignment and "red" (or green, or blue, or teal, or magenta, or orange, or seafoam) dot optics, that is.

Last Sunday, our pal Mike Hammer asked about this very thing, so let's take a look.

I would really like, some Gun Thread (not tonight), to get some thoughts on red dots. It is completely outside of my experience, so thoughts and recommendations would be interesting, across the board pistol, shotty, and AR.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 20, 2025 09:28 PM

We have discussed sight alignment as a fundamental, but what is sight alignment and what exactly are you aligning? Pretty much all firearms have some sort of system to help aim and every once in a while actually hit, a target. The most common being a notch or aperture rear sight and front post. Line the two up and if the sights are properly zeroed for ammunition and range (distance), the bullet goes where the sights are pointing. That may not be where the shooter hopes it will go, which is why we practice fundamentals, but I digress.

Anyhoo, all that alignment business is hard, especially when you get old and your eyesight goes to hell, so people started looking for alternatives to the sort of setup described above.

Illuminated aiming reticles were developed for aircraft guns during WWII with a little piece of light being placed inside the sight.

Here are some more in-depth examples:

and,

Sure, you might already have them on your P-51, but why not put these nifty little fellers on a personal weapon too? Wouldn't it take out all the cumbersome aligning and thinking business of target acquisition described above?

Personally I don't like using them. First, virtually all of them have batteries which can go kaput, where good ol' reliable iron sights do not. More importantly, I find them to be distracting as a mo-fo to use. Why you ask? Well it's virtually impossible to hold a handgun (for example) at arms length without some muscle-induced wobbly motion, and having a dot out there dancing around is, well, distracting. I think that very issue creates a situation where shooters follow the bouncing dot around until it happens to cross their desired point of impact, then "jump" on the trigger introducing a huge flinch-like motion which really messes things up.

However there is no denying their popularity, and if properly installed and functioning, I'd say it simply boils down to a matter of personal preference. What do all y'all think? Only handguns or long guns too? Let us know in the comments!

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Surviving a Traffic Stop Whilst Carrying

But wait! There's more! Last week we talked a bit about traveling by car with a weapon, so this week let's talk about it some more.

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From the May 12, 2024 Gun Thread

If you are regularly carrying your gun, and you should be, you ought to have a plan in mind in the event you're stopped by the police.

The one time I had a police interaction with a gun in the car was when I was stopped on the side of the road with a flat tire. Although not required to do so in Virginia , I had my license and concealed carry permit in my hand as the State Trooper approached and I was quickly reviewing in my head the little statement I was going to give about having a weapon in the vehicle. As he came to my window I said hello and offered the two cards. The trooper said simply "I don't need to see those" and that was it. Truth be told, I was a little dejected. I wanted to finally give my little statement.

WeaselDoctrine teaches us when having contact with the police, or really anyone for that matter, but especially the police; don't be an asshole.

I knew that he probably knew I was a permit holder if he looked up my tag as he pulled up, and I wanted to do what I could to put him at ease because I had precisely nothing to gain by making his job any harder than it needed to be. It turns out the trooper was very cool and we chatted about guns and shooting as the flat tire was sorted out.

Gun Lawyer Gal makes an excellent point in the video, and that is the side of the road is not the place to argue about your rights or anything else for that matter. Save it for court if necessary.

What do all y'all think? Do you have a plan? For those not required to inform police you're carrying, do you plan to do so anyway? If not, why not?

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'Jer' and the M1 Garand

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Not 'Jer' and the M1 Garand

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Hickok45 Asks Important Questions

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2025 NoVAMoMe

Note: One of the great joys of NoVAMoMe season, at least for me, is being able to cut and paste the entire block of text below and haranguing you to attend the event. Are you attending? Are you focusing on the fundamentals of attending on JUNE 21st, 2025?

Alright, guys and gals, the long awaited and highly anticipated details of the 2025 NoVAMoMe are here! That's right, I finally got my act together and updated the information page for 2025, and need to go over a few details. My bestest blog buddy bluebell and I have decided 2025 will be a year of NoVAMoMe simplification, and want to pass along the changes from prior years.

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Seriously, just send an email then go to the website with the password provided. If you forget, a link to the email is on the main page, left sidebar. If you do not sign up, bluebell will be disappointed. Weasel will be disappointed, too, but it's bluebell you need to worry about.

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Gertie Belly Scratches

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 Yay! Gubs!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 27, 2025 07:00 PM (Wnv9h)

2 Pew pew pew

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 27, 2025 07:00 PM (u73oe)

3 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at April 27, 2025 07:00 PM (ypFCm)

4 The Summoning of The Others has been performed.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 27, 2025 07:01 PM (Wnv9h)

5 Pre May edition? Does that mean weasel has something very special cooked up for the month of May?

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 27, 2025 07:02 PM (e5NfL)

6 Willowed:

238 Gubs are nood.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 27, 2025 07:01 PM (Wnv9h)

Gubs are good!

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 27, 2025 07:04 PM (VNX3d)

7 Hello gubthreaders and all the ships at sea. I have gub stuff this week. And only a little small engine repair stuff.

Posted by: blaster at April 27, 2025 07:04 PM (QfvaV)

8 Fire the Fifty Cal!
Fire the Fifty Cal!
Fire the One Oh Six!

And while you're at it, fire the cook. He's lousy.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 27, 2025 07:04 PM (Hdixl)

9 Top ten?

Good evening all and thanks Weasel as always.

No shooting just lawn and garden care and some dry practice

Posted by: Coelacanth at April 27, 2025 07:05 PM (sk9i0)

10 that is the side of the road is not the place to argue about your rights or anything else for that matter. Save it for court if necessary.

WHAT?!

- Every Sovereign Citizen Everywhere

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 27, 2025 07:05 PM (Wnv9h)

11 Boom #6

Posted by: Yo! at April 27, 2025 07:05 PM (xZ7Ly)

12 Er ,#12 !

Posted by: Yo! at April 27, 2025 07:06 PM (xZ7Ly)

13 Well it's virtually impossible to hold a handgun (for example) at arms length without some muscle-induced wobbly motion, and having a dot out there dancing around is, well, distracting.

Agree 110%. Thanks for the gub, Weasel!

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 27, 2025 07:06 PM (mH6SG)

14 Good evening.

No gun stuff this weekend though I could have shot a match. Something about having a cold and the cold eye of the wife may have prevented my shooting this weekend.

The match next weekend is long range and the 06 is out of action until further notice so probably out of luck.

Drat.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 27, 2025 07:08 PM (tT6L1)

15 Been across Hoover Dam, 1981

Posted by: Skip at April 27, 2025 07:09 PM (ypFCm)

16 Thanks again for the thread, Weasel!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 27, 2025 07:09 PM (tT6L1)

17 Been across Hoover Dam, 1981
Posted by: Skip at April 27, 2025 07:09 PM (ypFCm)
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Did a tour of the powerhouse back when I was a lad. Amazing place.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 27, 2025 07:10 PM (tT6L1)

18 BLAM!

Howdy weasel!

I took son #1 with me to the range yesterday.

Howdy!

Went to the range today with, son #1. He’s never been a very good shot. When he started, more times than not, he didn’t hit paper at 7 yards.

He bought an M&P Shield in .40. Still. Not very good, but we worked on dry fire with his red dot to practice a smooth trigger pull. He got slightly better.

I gave him my G19 for Christmas (no red dot or green dot or chartreuse dot), I thought perhaps something a little less heavy may help.

Darned if the kid didn’t put 25 rounds through the same hole! It was insane! And fun. And he had a huge grin on his face all the way home.

I guess the G19 just works for him. It never did for me. I prefer the Walther PPQ. Or a 1911

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 27, 2025 07:11 PM (CFSPL)

19 Range report: went to the desert with Moron Osprey this past week. He wrung out some of his firearms, and I did some of mine. The Peon PCC was run using 124 grain Sellier and Bellot 9 mm, and ran very well on that. I had one failure to feed instance out of a hundred rounds, and I am prepared to chalk that up to a Peon finger fault in filling the mag, or failing to seat the mag fully in the well. These are Colt SMG mags, in a mag well adaptor.

And the safety lever detent, which was troublesome last trip out, worked perfectly, once I used a file to blunt the point on its tip, and to ever-so-slightly chamfer the top of the pin. World of difference.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 27, 2025 07:11 PM (8zz6B)

20 I gave him my G19 for Christmas (no red dot or green dot or chartreuse dot), I thought perhaps something a little less heavy may help.

Darned if the kid didn’t put 25 rounds through the same hole! It was insane! And fun. And he had a huge grin on his face all the way home.

I guess the G19 just works for him. It never did for me. I prefer the Walther PPQ. Or a 1911

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 27, 2025 07:11 PM (CFSPL)

Sounds like he found the gun that fits him. That's half the battle right there - and I'm sure he had fun with that target.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 27, 2025 07:12 PM (VNX3d)

21 One nice thing with dotted pistols is you learn a lot about your grip and trigger pull by being aware of the dot before and after the bang.

Posted by: Kratwurst at April 27, 2025 07:13 PM (fcDpY)

22 Who hasn’t bought a firearm after seeing it in a movie? They’re cheaper than a car. In most cases.

Posted by: Eromero at April 27, 2025 07:13 PM (DXbAa)

23 I guess the G19 just works for him. It never did for me. I prefer the Walther PPQ. Or a 1911

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 27, 2025 07:11 PM (CFSPL)
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Outstanding. Always something when a change in firearm makes a difference. Find the platform which works, practice, practice practice then expand from there.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 27, 2025 07:13 PM (tT6L1)

24 MoMe time !!! PNW coming up and The East Coast Extravaganza !!

You will never regret going.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 27, 2025 07:14 PM (oXfCm)

25 Those mortars were part of a very deadly mortar/arty combo that inflicted many casualties in the Pacific. And a clever tool for a very lightly mechanized force like the IJA.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 27, 2025 07:15 PM (1m82a)

26 I put another 50 rounds through the baby Colt.

It’s a sweet little .380. And I shoot it well. And it’s very easy to conceal, especially in the warmer temps when I’m not wearing a jacket or a sweater.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 27, 2025 07:15 PM (CFSPL)

27 I watched The Guns of Navarone but couldn't find any guns like that.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 27, 2025 07:15 PM (63Dwl)

28 What do all y'all think? Do you have a plan? For those not required to inform police you're carrying, do you plan to do so anyway? If not, why not?

I've had three "opportunities" to test my plan over the years. In each instance, hands on the wheel with CCW permit and DL readily visible. I calmly stated that I was carrying, along with volunteering information as to where my sidearm was concealed. Two of the officers stated that they appreciated my candor and the third just shrugged and wrote me a ticket for an expired registration.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 27, 2025 07:16 PM (mH6SG)

29 I'm 60, been shooting recreationally all my life, and professionally while in the Corps. And these days, other than a 1911 I inherited that's a safe queen and a beat up old 92G, I don't own a single handgun without an optic. Or long gun for that matter. Not a wheel gun guy, as you might have guessed.

Presbyopia and just plain being faster with a dot on a handgun is the reason my collection of handguns now all have optics.

It doesn't take long to get good with one, and then it's not long before you're better than with irons, especially as the range increases.

Big bonus, your situational awareness is much better since you're shooting with both eyes open, and focused downrange at the target, not the front sight. If you're worried about the dot bouncing around, that's an easy training issue to solve.

Reliability of the optics has come a looooong way, battery life is measured in years for most models, mounting solutions have greatly improved, and you (should) always have backup irons on a carry piece just in case the sceptics are right.

They're here to stay, not a gimmick.

Posted by: Croak at April 27, 2025 07:18 PM (YVaDw)

30 >>>>>>In each instance, hands on the wheel with CCW permit and DL readily visible. I calmly stated that I was carrying, along with volunteering information as to where my sidearm was concealed.
Posted by: Notorious BFD

This is my plan. Hopefully I won’t have to use it. But. It’s good to have a plan.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 27, 2025 07:18 PM (CFSPL)

31 Hoover Dam... built is 7 years?
Empire State Building... 1 year 45 Days.

Modern Freeway... 99 highway... 2 YEARS to repave... and they did not even add the third lane like they were supposed to...

Calif High Speed Rail... 43 YEARS and lot a single rail of track laid yet.

Uhhhh...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 27, 2025 07:19 PM (QAkQ3)

32 I prefer the Walther PPQ. Or a 1911

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 27, 2025 07:11 PM (CFSPL)

It’s hard to beat a1911 for the ergonomic fit, both the lovely and talented and I think it’s best for practice. Still sorting for the carry gun. One of the little Bogs relocated to a state that hates the Constitution. Some of his toys have come to live with us. We welcome orphans of all types

Posted by: Pete Bog at April 27, 2025 07:19 PM (rzF7p)

33 If pulled over, DL and permit will be ready. I believe AZ has a "duty to inform" law on the books if carrying concealed when stopped.

Any jurisdiction outside of AZ, I'll inform, because I much prefer not to surprise an officer.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 27, 2025 07:20 PM (tT6L1)

34 Could be worse @watching7always Apr 26
Replying to @FaytuksNetwork @AZ_Intel_
ChatGPT:
The “weapon” in the soldier’s hands is not a traditional firearm — it’s an anti-drone jammer gun.

Specifically, from the shape and design, it looks like a model similar to the DroneGun Tactical or a comparable anti-drone electronic warfare device. These devices:
• Jam the control signals between a drone and its operator.
• Disrupt GPS, video feed, and command links.
• Force the drone to either land immediately or return to its point of origin.

Key features you’re seeing:
• The large barrel-like structure is actually an array of antennas.
• The design is lightweight for a soldier to aim at fast-moving drones.
• It’s used especially by military, air force security, and even at special event security.
http://tiny.cc/h5xh001

Posted by: andycanuck (mZtdJ) at April 27, 2025 07:22 PM (mZtdJ)

35 Who hasn’t bought a firearm after seeing it in a movie? They’re cheaper than a car. In most cases.
Posted by: Eromero at April 27, 2025 07:13 PM (DXbAa)

Well, it wasn't in a movie (yet), but my early birthday present to me is a beautiful S&W Model 1854 Stealth Hunter in .357 Magnum. It has a definite steam punk vibe to it and looks like Snake Plissken would definitely approve. I've loaded up a bunch of .357 and .38 special rounds, and I'll be going down to the farm this Thursday to try her out. Can. Not. Wait.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 27, 2025 07:23 PM (Hdixl)

36 http://tiny.cc/h5xh001
Posted by: andycanuck (mZtdJ) at April 27, 2025 07:22 PM (mZtdJ)

Ah, yes. I saw the memes that the Italians had deployed firearms with a quick pizza attachment.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 27, 2025 07:24 PM (VNX3d)

37 Late. But . . .
I have two reports!
One Range Report and One Deranged Report!

Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 07:24 PM (ct7EE)

38 A nurse; a purse; Panama!

Something like that at least.

Posted by: andycanuck (mZtdJ) at April 27, 2025 07:24 PM (mZtdJ)

39 Gertie Belly Scratches

Awww.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 27, 2025 07:24 PM (Wnv9h)

40 One Range Report and One Deranged Report!
Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 07:24 PM (ct7EE)
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Huh. Live and learn. I'd no idea those were two separate categories.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 27, 2025 07:25 PM (tT6L1)

41 Gertie Belly Scratches

Hah! Excellent!

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 27, 2025 07:25 PM (mH6SG)

42 and One Deranged Report!
Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 07:24 PM

*props chin in hands*

Ooo...story time!

*listens attentively*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 27, 2025 07:26 PM (Wnv9h)

43 I've loaded up a bunch of .357 and .38 special rounds, and I'll be going down to the farm this Thursday to try her out. Can. Not. Wait.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 27, 2025 07:23 PM (Hdixl)
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Needs a red dot.

Seriously though, looks quite good.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 27, 2025 07:26 PM (tT6L1)

44 Who hasn’t bought a firearm after seeing it in a movie?

Still looking for a clean Callahan Fullbore Autolock.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 27, 2025 07:26 PM (/y8xj)

45 Last week’s duty day at the range was third consecutive month we had a SEAL get a membership. They say the hassle issues with their new-ish range close to the base have mostly been fixed, but outdoor/300-yd/closer than their outdoor range in the county make our club appealing.

This guy was checking his SP-10 scope set-up. He had me fire a few rounds - very nice low-recoil situation. He checked us out based on the reco of the sniper/Instructor who practices for his precision matches at the club. I encouraged him to continue spreading the word that we’re convenient and SEAL-friendly.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 27, 2025 07:27 PM (1m82a)

46 I'm here. Been a long day, it seems.

Off to content.

Posted by: GWB at April 27, 2025 07:28 PM (wbjSL)

47 What’s really cool is getting to shoot with my son. He’s my rock. Super good kid.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 27, 2025 07:30 PM (wmNFJ)

48 Went to the range with the DMV. There was shooting involved. Not necessarily good shooting.

But like they say a bad day shooting is better than a good day at work.

Though I guess that doesn't always work out like that. But today was a bad day shooting that was better than a good day at work.

Posted by: blaster at April 27, 2025 07:31 PM (1Auwk)

49 Posted by: blaster at April 27, 2025 07:31 PM (1Auwk)
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Sometimes the range is just angry.

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 07:31 PM (Axc90)

50 Needs a red dot.

Seriously though, looks quite good.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 27, 2025 07:26 PM (tT6L1)

I seriously considered mounting one of my red dots on it, but went with a 1-4X Vortex optic instead.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at April 27, 2025 07:32 PM (Hdixl)

51 You learn more from the bad days than you do from the easy ones.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 27, 2025 07:33 PM (+eWyk)

52 What’s really cool is getting to shoot with my son. He’s my rock. Super good kid.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 27, 2025 07:30 PM (wmNFJ)
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He has a good mom!

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 07:33 PM (Axc90)

53 Sometimes the range is just angry.
Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 07:31 PM

Like an old range officer seeing those newfangled red dot optics.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 27, 2025 07:33 PM (Wnv9h)

54 They won't let me have a full auto BAR

Posted by: Skip at April 27, 2025 07:34 PM (ypFCm)

55 What’s really cool is getting to shoot with my son. He’s my rock. Super good kid.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 27, 2025 07:30 PM

Sounds like ya done good, nurse.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 27, 2025 07:35 PM (Wnv9h)

56 15 Been across Hoover Dam, 1981

Posted by: Skip at April 27, 2025 07:09 PM

I was there then also. Surprised I didn't see you!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 27, 2025 07:35 PM (HlyYF)

57 Like an old range officer seeing those newfangled red dot optics.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 27, 2025 07:33 PM (Wnv9h)
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What'll they think of next?!

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 07:36 PM (Axc90)

58 Thx weasel.

Marine layer finally burned off and the sun is out. Imma head to the beach for a bit.

Y’all be nice to weasel. And if Sharon shows up, give her a LOT of high fives!

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 27, 2025 07:36 PM (MNOJp)

59 Posted by: nurse ratched at April 27, 2025 07:36 PM (MNOJp)
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Adios!

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 07:37 PM (Axc90)

60 Posted by: nurse ratched at April 27, 2025 07:36 PM

Enjoy the beach!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 27, 2025 07:38 PM (Wnv9h)

61 Have a good one, Nurse!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 27, 2025 07:38 PM (tT6L1)

62 nurse, what a rare and beautiful thing.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 27, 2025 07:38 PM (oXfCm)

63 They won't let me have a full auto BAR

By "they" I assume you mean your mortgage company? Because you could probably have one for the price of an average suburban house.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 27, 2025 07:39 PM (/y8xj)

64 Howdy!

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at April 27, 2025 07:39 PM (sAmhv)

65 I have both a red dot, and flip-up plastic "iron" sights on my PCC. Problem is, my neck is quite stiff, and I have a tough time getting my eye down to the level needed to get a good sight picture with either. I think I will have to make a new butt section for the stock with more drop in it. Recoil not a problem, at all.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 27, 2025 07:40 PM (8zz6B)

66 No range report this week.

However, Bride of PI just had her students finish up their biggest project on Friday, so she is much more relaxed this weekend.

Today she told me it was time to head out to the range this week so she could she shoot. (No mention of whether I could shoot too.)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 27, 2025 07:41 PM (HlyYF)

67 * shows up at TxMoMe with a red dot and a 45mm watch. *

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 27, 2025 07:42 PM (0sNs1)

68 I've spoken of my Winchester 94 30-30 that I am giving my oldest grandson who starts college this fall. He will be a fifth generation owner.

Made in 1928 and bought new by my gramps, it was given by him to my dad in 1935 or so when he graduated high school. It's got the saddle ring on the L side of the case.

Grandson gets another antique, a 1954 Winchester 62-A pump .22, bought for me for my 12th birthday. The gun must have sat in a general store for two years after it got built.

And he gets my replica Colt Navy 36 revolver, Italian-made, exactly what is selling today under the Pietta brand name. That one is fun to shoot but I'd no idea #11 percussion caps were so hard to find. Dad bought it new around 1963 and black powder ammo was available then in more gun shops than today.

Fortunately for grandson, his route from Pittsburgh to State College PA takes him through Ebensburg where there is a great old time sporting goods store that has everything needed.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at April 27, 2025 07:42 PM (KiBMU)

69 Pillage Idiot, think of you daily.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 27, 2025 07:44 PM (oXfCm)

70 By "they" I assume you mean your mortgage company? Because you could probably have one for the price of an average suburban house.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 27, 2025 07:39 PM (/y8xj)
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Well, your cardboard box under the bridge would be well defended.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 27, 2025 07:44 PM (tT6L1)

71 Deranged:
Remember how I sent my Vortex Viper back to Vortex because it clearly had a windage setting problem?
I received a polite phone call from Vortex that my scope was operating at 100% when received.
Huh.
Well then, the Ruger clearly had a shot-out barrel from over 3K rounds through it.
Scope came back Friday, I carefully remounted it and went to the range. After zeroing at 25, I went to 100 yards. Two groups of .5” and one suppressed of .423”. I then did first round hits on the dueling tree paddles at 200 and 300.
So, after accounting for two parts of the equation, what was the danged deranged problem?
Third part. Operator Error Obviously.
I suspect that I was chasing the windage with the knob, got lost and corrected in the wrong direction. More than once.
Mea culpa.

Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 07:44 PM (ct7EE)

72 Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 27, 2025 07:42 PM (0sNs1)
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No more Gertie Belly Scratches videos for you!

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 07:44 PM (Axc90)

73 Third part. Operator Error Obviously.
I suspect that I was chasing the windage with the knob, got lost and corrected in the wrong direction. More than once.
Mea culpa.
Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 07:44 PM (ct7EE)
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Hah. You went to the same school of windage adjustment as myself, I see.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 27, 2025 07:46 PM (tT6L1)

74 >If you're worried about the dot bouncing around, that's an easy training issue to solve.

The red dot did not cause the problem, only revealed it.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 27, 2025 07:47 PM (lhenN)

75 Like an old range officer seeing those newfangled red dot optics.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 27, 2025 07:33 PM (Wnv9h)
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What'll they think of next?!
Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 07:36 PM (Axc90)
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Bread already sliced in a package?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 27, 2025 07:47 PM (tT6L1)

76 Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 07:44 PM (ct7EE)
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I've heard of people doing that in the National Matches.

Once.

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 07:47 PM (Axc90)

77 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at April 27, 2025 07:47 PM (AiJK3)

78 69 Pillage Idiot, think of you daily.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 27, 2025 07:44 PM

Howdy Ben Had!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 27, 2025 07:48 PM (HlyYF)

79
I've heard of people doing that in the National Matches.

Once.
Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 07:47 PM (Axc90)
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I read an article wherein a guy admitted he'd forgotten to return his scope to zero after moving stages in a PRS match and it cost him.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 27, 2025 07:49 PM (tT6L1)

80 If pulled over, DL and permit will be ready. I believe AZ has a "duty to inform" law on the books if carrying concealed when stopped.

Any jurisdiction outside of AZ, I'll inform, because I much prefer not to surprise an officer.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 27, 2025 07:20 PM

Texas has a duty to inform law also. I can't prove it but I have been informed that every time any LE scans a car license plate that scan pings back to the owner info and alerts them if they have a state issued CCW permit. I know that happens in Texas with a car with Texas plates but I have been told that other states that scan plates get the same results. I do not know if that is true or not.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 27, 2025 07:50 PM (e5NfL)

81 Fortunately for grandson, his route from Pittsburgh to State College PA takes him through Ebensburg where there is a great old time sporting goods store that has everything needed.
Posted by: Mr Gaga
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I drive through Ebensburg when visiting the parental units in West PA. It's a nice town.

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at April 27, 2025 07:50 PM (sAmhv)

82 Weasel and bluebell, Thank you for once again hosting such a great MoMe.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 27, 2025 07:50 PM (oXfCm)

83
Posted by: Ben Had at April 27, 2025 07:50 PM (oXfCm)
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You set the standard!

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 07:53 PM (Axc90)

84 Range Report:
I brought my newly adjusted eyesight to the range today to see what I could see. Expectations were high because my distance vision in my right dominant eye has been fantastic and the mid range vision in the left eye equally good. Would I need my patch? Would target acquisiton improve?
Brought all 3 glocks, 22, G48, G48 with green dot. It was not at all what I expected. Set target at 7 yds. I could either see the target or see the white dot butnot both. Luckily I had an excellent coarch in Ed L who told me to focus on the white dot.
cont

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 27, 2025 07:53 PM (t/2Uw)

85 However, there is now a good Range Report, arising partially from the Deranged one:
First Aspirin Shoot of the year this morning. 39 degrees, rain, N wind 19 gusting 26. But real men laugh in the face of those odds. Hah!
Someone remembered not to screw with the windage knob and instead offset the strong lateral wind with the scope hash marks.
Enough to take First Place. Now, there were only 4 Real Men shooting, but a W is still a W.
And first prize was a shiny .50 BMG brass case with the date and the number “1” on it.
Life is good.

Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 07:54 PM (ct7EE)

86 "Been across Hoover Dam, 1981

Posted by: Skip at April 27, 2025 07:09 PM

I was there then also. Surprised I didn't see you!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot"

I went over it in 1974 or so. I was wondering just now how long it is supposed to last and found this:

"The Hoover Dam is designed to last indefinitely. Engineers have estimated its potential lifespan to be over 10,000 years"

Long enough, I guess.

Posted by: fd at April 27, 2025 07:54 PM (vFG9F)

87 Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 07:54 PM (ct7EE)
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Congratulations!

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 07:55 PM (Axc90)

88 Back in 2010 when taking my CHL class we were told that you absolutely give the cop the CHL with your license when stopped. Why? Because they will find out if you have one anyway when they run your DL. Your mission, as was explained to the class, was to get out of the ticket.

Besides, you do that anyway, it voids a question they love to ask: “Do you have a warrant?” Well, if you have the LTC, at least here in TX no cop will waste their time asking. You can’t have one and have an LTC.

Last time I got stopped by DPS is was two-three minutes with a warning. The only reason is was that long was my insurer’s app was being a PITA. IMO the license plates - USAF Retired - helped. The DPS trooper had to know he wasn’t walking up on a gangbanger with a two mile long rap sheet at least.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 27, 2025 07:55 PM (vm8sq)

89 Needs a red dot.

Seriously though, looks quite good.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 27, 2025 07:26 PM (tT6L1)

At SHOT Show 2025, Colt showed prototypes of the Python/Anaconda cut for optics.

Posted by: Ed L at April 27, 2025 07:55 PM (AiJK3)

90 the side of the road is not the place to argue about your rights
While I *have* argued with cops who pulled me over (they were wrong) I told my son long ago, that the only time you should argue with a cop is literally if you don't think that you will otherwise live to argue in a courtroom. And if that's the case you'd better be persuasive, and not just argumentative.

Posted by: GWB at April 27, 2025 07:56 PM (wbjSL)

91 Today my P226 Legion had a weird failure. Thing just locked up tight with slide about 5 mm from battery. With a live round in it. Had a little bit of wiggle but the slide wouldn't move.

Not expected behavior from a 226 much less a Legion. Called the RSO over he wanted to take some pliers to it. Eh maybe not.

Jiggles the slide some more and got a couple mm more motion - enough to see in the chamber that there was indeed brass there. But also enough to get a narrow blade screwdriver in to pry it. Once it moved back enough the round fell out and the gun was back to normal.

Looking at the round the base near the rim of the case looked a bit swollen. It had not fired so must have come like that. It is a reman ammo that I got - I thought it was cool has a green polymer coating on the bullet - but have had a ton of problems with it. Have to look through my email to see the seller so I can warn you away from it.

Posted by: blaster at April 27, 2025 07:56 PM (QfvaV)

92 No more Gertie Belly Scratches videos for you!
Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 07:44 PM

* shows up at TxMoMe with 38mm watch *

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 27, 2025 07:57 PM (0sNs1)

93 Third part. Operator Error Obviously.
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That's what I said, Dave.

Posted by: HAL 9000 at April 27, 2025 07:57 PM (mZtdJ)

94 22 first. I got the shots on paper but not good. Took out the G48 and got a bit better but frustrating and uncomfortable. Shot one of Ed's gun's and shot reasonabley well. Took out the G48 with green dot and way more success. I could not only see the green dot but also the target. Moved the target back to 5 yards and way better. Seemed my left mid range eye could pick up both sight and target at that distance.
Bottom line: I need way more practice. This will not be the walk inthe park I expected. I can;t thank Ed enough for his help today.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 27, 2025 07:58 PM (t/2Uw)

95 I know an old man who says Hoover instead of cursing. When asked he explains "it's the biggest dam I've ever seen"

Posted by: Boron Quidquid - Ladies, you weren't liberated. You were industrialized. Now you're widgets, too. at April 27, 2025 07:59 PM (QzE3O)

96 I finally found the Officer Mike video on how to handle carrying and getting stopped by a cop!

https://t.ly/TOLY6

About 4 minutes in are the improper ways to let him know you have a gun.

Posted by: GWB at April 27, 2025 07:59 PM (wbjSL)

97 Well done, Sharon. What you are experiencing is just getting used to your new super powers.

Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 07:59 PM (ct7EE)

98 Thx, Weasel!
There were several times in the last week I thought, Yeah, Weasel said not to do that. I eventually took note.

Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 08:02 PM (ct7EE)

99 Have to look through my email to see the seller so I can warn you away from it.
Posted by: blaster at April 27, 2025 07:56 PM (QfvaV)

Southern Munitions, 124gr Green Hi-Tek Coated Remanufactured Ammunition.

Avoid.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 27, 2025 08:02 PM (QfvaV)

100 Bottom line: I need way more practice. This will not be the walk inthe park I expected. I can;t thank Ed enough for his help today.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 27, 2025 07:58 PM

One of the advantages of a red dot is that you can focus on the target.

Your vision will probably improve slightly in the next few weeks. You may need to go in for a 'laser shot' to take care of clouding in the membrane behind the lens. It's no biggie.

You'll be happy you had this done!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 27, 2025 08:03 PM (0sNs1)

101 The best part ofthe day was when Ed took out the rifle he brought for me to try with scope. He can describe what it was. All I can say as it was fantastic. Using the scope, I was right on target at 25 yds. I was seated for the second time I shot and it felt amazing. The scope magnified everything. Now I can;t wait to get to the rifle range in Texas.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 27, 2025 08:04 PM (t/2Uw)

102 Pillage - If we can be of any assistance for your cause, drop me a note anytime. Operators are standing by. Best regards to Bride of PI.

Posted by: TRex at April 27, 2025 08:04 PM (cCn4/)

103 The screen cap for the Hoover Dam looks like a really weird set of ob/gyn stirrups. I'm officially freaked out now.

Posted by: GWB at April 27, 2025 08:05 PM (wbjSL)

104 Southern Munitions, 124gr Green Hi-Tek Coated Remanufactured Ammunition.

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Thanks blaster. I've gotten to where I avoid coated ammo completely.

(Although I bet the old Ruger P89 would eat it no problem.)

Posted by: Boron Quidquid - Ladies, you weren't liberated. You were industrialized. Now you're widgets, too. at April 27, 2025 08:06 PM (QzE3O)

105 While I *have* argued with cops who pulled me over (they were wrong) I told my son long ago, that the only time you should argue with a cop is literally if you don't think that you will otherwise live to argue in a courtroom. And if that's the case you'd better be persuasive, and not just argumentative.
Posted by: GWB at April 27, 2025 07:56 PM (wbjSL)

One time I did, it was because the DPS trooper was questioning why I was taking the route I did to work. Which pissed me off, because unless I engaged in trespassing, or, say, drove around barricades, no cop has any business whatsoever asking me that. Then later he starts giving me the business about why my address on my DL has a town’s name on it when I don’t live in the town. “Take that up with the Post Office!”

Result: warning.

(But yes, pick and choose your battles carefully.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 27, 2025 08:07 PM (vm8sq)

106 Pillage Idiot it was Aug 1981 on way to Grand Canyon from Las Vegas.
Driving through the desert in 120 degrees with no air conditioning

Posted by: Skip at April 27, 2025 08:07 PM (ypFCm)

107 When I put a red dot on my carbine I had to spend several hours duck walking around my property, doubtless looking like a retard. The problem I had was I kept looking at the dot like it was a reticle. Only when I started thinking of it as a laser dot that I was shining on my target, keeping my focus down range, did I get the hang of it.

After that I really like it. Being able to use both eyes seems like a good idea for situational awareness.

Posted by: toby928 at April 27, 2025 08:07 PM (kQDcQ)

108 102 Pillage - If we can be of any assistance for your cause, drop me a note anytime. Operators are standing by. Best regards to Bride of PI.

Posted by: TRex at April 27, 2025 08:04 PM

Thanks TRex.

Also, say hi to your bag lady from us!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 27, 2025 08:08 PM (HlyYF)

109 I would really like, some Gun Thread (not tonight), to get some thoughts on red dots. It is completely outside of my experience, so thoughts and recommendations would be interesting, across the board pistol, shotty, and AR.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 20, 2025 09:28 PM

I took a red dot (Aimpoint Comp M4S) on my M4 for my last deployment to Afghanistan in 2011-12. My experience from the pre-deployment training (no combat use, thank goodness) is that red dots on your rifle are at their best in a poor/low/no light CQB environment when you can't see or use your iron sights at all. My buddies w/ ACOGs on their M4s had some difficulty learning the Bindon aiming system of putting your ACOG's aiming chevron on the target while using both eyes. It's doable, but it took more range time than we had to work with. Red dots don't do so well at 50m and beyond unless you can visualize or guess where the bullet's trajectory will be at range. It can be learned, but I wasn't able to figure it out before deployment. Regarding batteries, I chose the Aimpoint Comp M4S because of its long battery life (80,000 hours on one AA battery - about 8 years continuous on time).

Posted by: Ed L at April 27, 2025 08:08 PM (AiJK3)

110 The green dot made a huge difference. Next I need to bring t he kimber with the red dot.
Oh and I did not need the patch. Even closing one eye didn"t help. One less piece of equipment. Also need better safety glasses.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 27, 2025 08:08 PM (t/2Uw)

111 The Hoover Dam is designed to last indefinitely. Engineers have estimated its potential lifespan to be over 10,000 years"

Long enough, I guess.
Posted by: fd at April 27, 2025 07:54 PM (vFG9F)

And in 10,000 years the archeologists will dig it up and solemnly declare it must have been a king's tomb and a temple.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at April 27, 2025 08:08 PM (eIjvK)

112 I've decided I like red dots on little PCC sub gun type weapons more than pistols. It's a match made in heaven for those two.

Posted by: Boron Quidquid - Ladies, you weren't liberated. You were industrialized. Now you're widgets, too. at April 27, 2025 08:09 PM (QzE3O)

113 looks like a really weird set of ob/gyn stirrups. I'm officially freaked out now.
Posted by: GWB at April 27, 2025 08:05 PM

I'm going to share with the 'rons an ob/gyn secret, specifically the first two words the doctor always says to the patient after the doctor has settled on the stool:

"Scootch up."

And now you know.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 27, 2025 08:09 PM (0sNs1)

114 Howdy Ya'll. Looking for a smaller carry piece. Have my 9mm shield. Looking for something smaller for summer. Anyone try the new SW Bodyguard .380? 2.0? Got good reviews but like hearing from the Horde?

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 27, 2025 08:10 PM (4p0Xq)

115 I use two red dots, one on my Ruger Max 9 edc, and one on my S&W FPC. I hate the one on the pistol - the dot cowitnesses with the iron sights at the very bottom of the glass and is hard to find quickly.
But for the carbine, I love it. Shooting in IDPA matches is laughably easy - I have both eyes open, the glass is farther from my face, and I only see it as superimposed on the target.
I’ve shot other people’s pistols with red dots and still am slow to pick it up. I do need more practice.

Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 08:11 PM (ct7EE)

116 I recommend the USCCA Reciprocity Map app for traveling. It is not yet what I have thought would be a good idea, an app that can geofence and warn you. But it does provide good info for state laws to include duty to inform and stand your ground. It does NOT incorporate locality info unfortunately.

I would still like a planner that I can say I want to travel from X to Y and give me a legal route. And if I am approaching a boundary where carry is not legal, for example, tell me that - maybe to the extent of "get off a t exit 11 and place a firearm somewhere not in the passenger compartment, separate from the ammunition then continue on this path OR detour to this route."

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 27, 2025 08:11 PM (QfvaV)

117 106 Pillage Idiot it was Aug 1981 on way to Grand Canyon from Las Vegas.
Driving through the desert in 120 degrees with no air conditioning

Posted by: Skip at April 27, 2025 08:07 PM

I assume you at least contemplated the long drop into Lake Mead just to cool off?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 27, 2025 08:12 PM (HlyYF)

118 Also got to the range to get a hockey buddy started on gun nuttery. He has a shotgun he got in the 80s but has never really used, and a nice Colt Trooper lent to him* by a neighbor. Did a safety/familiarization session here in the garage first (SOP for newbies - the range is no place to go over the Four Rules, or become familiar with a firearm's functions).

He did very well. Surprisingly steady/accurate work with the revolver (and with a few handguns I brought along for him to taste - XD9, CZ-83, Model 60). And of course he loved the two M1s, Garand and carbine, as everyone does. Might have infected him with the sickness, a bit, as he was quite excited about it all.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 27, 2025 08:12 PM (1m82a)

119 And of course I forgot the *.

* I'll have to check, but under one of the idiotic gun laws passed in this retarded state (CA) a few years ago, it's basically verboten to lend firearms to others, or severely restricted in terms of time, or something.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 27, 2025 08:13 PM (1m82a)

120 112 I've decided I like red dots on little PCC sub gun type weapons more than pistols. It's a match made in heaven for those two.
Posted by: Boron Quidquid - Ladies, you weren't liberated. You were industrialized. Now you're widgets, too. at April 27, 2025 08:09 PM (QzE3O)

I am in violent agreement.

BUT - I do still like dots on pistols if they are made to have dots.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 27, 2025 08:13 PM (QfvaV)

121 There were several times in the last week I thought, Yeah, Weasel said not to do that. I eventually took note.
Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 08:02 PM

Walking the Way of the Weasel, you are.

Posted by: Yoda at April 27, 2025 08:14 PM (Wnv9h)

122 The best part ofthe day was when Ed took out the rifle he brought for me to try with scope. He can describe what it was. All I can say as it was fantastic. Using the scope, I was right on target at 25 yds. I was seated for the second time I shot and it felt amazing. The scope magnified everything. Now I can;t wait to get to the rifle range in Texas.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 27, 2025 08:04 PM (t/2Uw)

The rifle is the H&K MR27, a limited run tribute rifle to the M27 rifle (based on the H&K 416) fielded by the USMC. Heavy as a brick (about 11-12 pounds kitted out, I think), but quite accurate. Screaming in Digital and Spawn of Linda shot that rifle at the last TX MoMe and hit the 100 yard target w/o any instruction from me about how to use the ACOG mounted on the rifle.

Posted by: Ed L at April 27, 2025 08:16 PM (AiJK3)

123 Sounds like you had a great time, Sharon. Good job.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 27, 2025 08:17 PM (tT6L1)

124 EdL the SEAL last week had a very nice scope on his SP-10 (don't know the brand), and an offset green dot for closer range work. Both were very easy to use.

When I finally get around to building a short-range AR I figure I'll have a dot and irons on it.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 27, 2025 08:17 PM (1m82a)

125
And in 10,000 years the archeologists will dig it up and solemnly declare it must have been a king's tomb and a temple.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy

Built by extraterrestrials.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 27, 2025 08:18 PM (63Dwl)

126 There were several times in the last week I thought, Yeah, Weasel said not to do that. I eventually took note.
Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 08:02 PM

Walking the Way of the Weasel, you are.
Posted by: Yoda at April 27, 2025 08:14 PM (Wnv9h)

Not this way, though: Dilbert and the Way of the Weasel
https://a.co/d/fkxBE0N

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 27, 2025 08:18 PM (VNX3d)

127 There were several times in the last week I thought, Yeah, Weasel said not to do that. I eventually took note.
Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 08:02 PM
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If there is a wrong way to do something, I've probably tried it!

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 08:20 PM (Axc90)

128 The whole, "Weasel said not to do that" thing...yeah, I usually remember just after I just got done doing what Weasel advised not to.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 27, 2025 08:20 PM (tT6L1)

129 Some guys at the pistol matches have PCCs with dots. They're so easy and accurate to use I actually wonder why they use them in a match - don't see the sport or challenge. Boring. But indeed excellent short-range systems. Have started to think about getting/building one for "home defense" purposes (the boss is handy with the M1 carbine, but weight seems to be an issue, so a PCC would have to be very light).

I recall a few years back a guy on an upper range let me shoot his Ruger PCC with a dot on it. I had a steel plate hanging at the backstop, 100 yds. First shot - ping. And for the next 4 or 5 shots. Ridiculously easy to use. He had the model with the heat shield that resembles a PPsh-41 (my grail gun).

Posted by: rhomboid at April 27, 2025 08:20 PM (1m82a)

130 Art Thread:

But in 2003, the artist was accused of using his Christian faith as a tool to fraudulently induce people to invest in the Thomas Kinkade Signature Gallery – a chain of stores that sold his artwork. Two years before his death, Kinkade filed for bankruptcy protection and was arrested for driving under the influence. He was accused several times of sexual harassment, and had a penchant for “marking his territory,” as the L.A. Times put it, allegedly urinating on a Winnie the Pooh statue outside the Disneyland hotel.

Who does not want a pooh fountain with yellow rain in their front yard?

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 27, 2025 08:21 PM (gbOdA)

131 Hoover Dam project as I recall was passed on by the big civil engineering firms of the day, and finally a consortium of smaller fry including Henry Kaiser's outfit ended up building it. Kind of a perfect American can-do epic, with the little guys saving the day. Of course Kaiser showed some competence in later ventures, like building cargo ships in a week to help buy the Axis.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 27, 2025 08:24 PM (1m82a)

132 The whole, "Weasel said not to do that" thing...yeah, I usually remember just after I just got done doing what Weasel advised not to.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 27, 2025 08:20 PM

Thoughts at the range: Would what I'm doing disappoint Weasel? Then don't do that thing.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 27, 2025 08:24 PM (Wnv9h)

133 sra blaster's bad day at the range today has her reconsidering her EDC. She has always had weak wrists and the snappiness of the Keltec PF9 led to the choice of the Sig P365 as EDC. It is less snappy than the Keltec. But today she was having trouble from the first shot. It is not the gun, she recognizes it as a her problem. BUT she wants to solve it with a gun.

I think that she may need to go heavier for her carry gun - something to tame the snappiness is more important for her than the carry weight. So at the table of the DMV MGC and nini-MoMe we started discussing options and I wanted to find Kimber's 9mm non-1911 based pistol. But they have something new! Called the CDS9. It looks pretty nice. And we do like Kimber. And its all metal - stainless slide and aluminum frame. Concealed Double Stack (hence CDS), with 13+1 and/or 15+1 mags.

It is very new so I suspect no one has any experience with it. Hopefully our range will have a loaner available. Of course, I need to plan to buy two. Because that is how we roll.

Anyway, thoughts on this - adding mass?

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 27, 2025 08:25 PM (QfvaV)

134 Ok, I have thoughts on red dots, having gotten old and having my eyes go wonky. Er.

Full thoughts follow...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at April 27, 2025 08:25 PM (xcxpd)

135 Howdy Ya'll. Looking for a smaller carry piece. Have my 9mm shield. Looking for something smaller for summer. Anyone try the new SW Bodyguard .380? 2.0? Got good reviews but like hearing from the Horde?
Posted by: Minnfidel at April 27, 2025 08:10 PM (4p0Xq)

Discussed the new H&K CC9 in the thread last week. Quick and dirty review: After about 50+ rounds of four different varieties of 9mm (Federal Synetch 124 grain, American Eagle 147 grain, 124 grain +P, and 147 grain Federal HST), no jams or malfunctions of any kind. Good trigger. Lightweight (20 ounces) means you'll feel the recoil even though the pistol has decent ergonomics for a subcompact pistol. As a new entry to the market, getting it will be tough until H&K starts cranking up the production line. $700 MSRP. Watch this space for a fuller write up in the (not so near) future.

Posted by: Ed L at April 27, 2025 08:26 PM (AiJK3)

136 Who does not want a pooh fountain with yellow rain in their front yard?

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 27, 2025 08:21 PM

The Artist Formerly Known as Prince?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 27, 2025 08:26 PM (HlyYF)

137 Who does not want a pooh fountain with yellow rain in their front yard?

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 27, 2025 08:21 PM

The Artist Formerly Known as Prince?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 27, 2025 08:26 PM (HlyYF)

Wouldn't his be an Eeyore fountain with Purple Rain?

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 27, 2025 08:27 PM (VNX3d)

138 CDS9 MSRP is $1075. So new it probably won't back off of that for a while. And because its Kimber, it probably won't back off of that much.

Gah.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 27, 2025 08:27 PM (QfvaV)

139 Well, time to wander. Thanks again, weasel!

Stay sharp, everyone!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 27, 2025 08:27 PM (tT6L1)

140 Concur with all - red dots and pistol caliber carbines are a match made in Gub heaven. Likely a good home defense weapon for most anyone. Light, easily maneuvered, can mount a light and a red dot.
And nothing beats having a 23 round magazine in the mag well, and two more in the stock.
Just in case you have 69 burglars.

Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 08:28 PM (ct7EE)

141 Heavy as a brick (about 11-12 pounds kitted out, I think), but quite accurate.

Posted by: Ed L at April 27, 2025 08:16 PM

Knowing how tough Sharon is, that sounds like the perfect weapon for her to tote 40 miles over broken terrain to reach a firefight!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 27, 2025 08:29 PM (HlyYF)

142 First of all, my bona fides. I have been carrying since 1996 and have bought and paid for the milling of MANY of my handguns. I have a lot of red dots, mostly holosuns or Vortex dots on close to a dozen handguns. If we include rifles, closer to 20 weapons.

And as a 55 year old, red dots make a huge difference...at ranges greater than 7 yards.

At 7 yards or less, irons are better. 10 yards, it's a wash. At 15 yards and greater, HUGE improvement in shot groups using a red dot.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at April 27, 2025 08:29 PM (xcxpd)

143 Lightweight (20 ounces) means you'll feel the recoil even though the pistol has decent ergonomics for a subcompact pistol. As a new entry to the market, getting it will be tough until H&K starts cranking up the production line. $700 MSRP. Watch this space for a fuller write up in the (not so near) future.
Posted by: Ed L at April 27, 2025 08:26 PM (AiJK3)

Shot this gun today. First time I picked it up, made a nice tight little group on top of the bullseye at 5 yards. It falls between the Sig P365 and P365XL in size. I have never been a "trigger guy" but the trigger on this gun is better than the Sigs.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 27, 2025 08:30 PM (QfvaV)

144 Thoughts at the range: Would what I'm doing disappoint Weasel? Then don't do that thing.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 27, 2025 08:24 PM (Wnv9h)

Yup, RMBS. But missing the target is the thing that Weasel would not do.
This Is Known.

Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 08:32 PM (ct7EE)

145 Here's the thing about red dots...they are single focal plane. So if you're shooting left handed, which I did for near a year due to Tendontitus, it greatly increases accuracy.

It also helps first shot hit speed. Once you have the red dot zeroed, all you need to do is put the dot on the target, press the trigger and the bullet goes where the dot is. It's just that easy.

Now, SPOTTING the red dot can be hard. My solution there is to put the dot just over the front sight and then USE the iron sights. If I pretend I'm using iron sights but then see the red dot, suddenly I have a half second advantage, because once the dot in on target, I can break the trigger and the bullet will go where the dot is when the trigger breaks.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at April 27, 2025 08:33 PM (xcxpd)

146 Hiya MARK!

If you are shooting at someone greater than 15 yards, WA State will throw your ass in jail.

I dunno. I get distracted by the dots. And in close quarters, there’s a pretty good chance I won’t get the pistol up to my eyes and arms fully extended anyway.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 27, 2025 08:33 PM (9BeIJ)

147 Yup, RMBS. But missing the target is the thing that Weasel would not do.
This Is Known.
Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 08:32 PM

*nods*

O/T, all preparations made for NH, and good ammo ordered.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 27, 2025 08:34 PM (Wnv9h)

148 P.I. that will probbly depend on whether I have my new bionic hip. lol
( I did do much better sitting down than holding it)

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 27, 2025 08:34 PM (t/2Uw)

149 Regarding batteries, I chose the Aimpoint Comp M4S because of its long battery life (80,000 hours on one AA battery - about 8 years continuous on time).
Posted by: Ed L at April 27, 2025 08:08 PM (AiJK3)

Here's my problem with that (and I know, it's definitely a first-world problem): I know that I will NEVER remember to change it is it lasts that long. Even if I were to write it down.

"Why do you have tomorrow's date written in silver magic marker on the side of your AR?"
"I have NO friggin' idea. It's probably important, but I don't know why."

Posted by: GWB at April 27, 2025 08:34 PM (wbjSL)

150 Posted by: nurse ratched at April 27, 2025 08:33 PM (9BeIJ)
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*fistbump*

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 08:35 PM (Axc90)

151 Next, red dots are not expensive but they aren't free.
A PSA Dagger with a dot will run you under $500 and it will put bullets in bad guys, I have no doubt about that.

If you want to spend more on an RMR or a high end CZ or 2011, a red dot will be more durable and will probably mean your first shots will be more accurate. Not just on range/tournament toys, but on your EDC tools too.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at April 27, 2025 08:35 PM (xcxpd)

152 I have never been a "trigger guy" but the trigger on this gun is better than the Sigs.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 27, 2025 08:30 PM

IMO, Walthers have, on average, the best striker-fired triggers, with H&Ks just *slightly* behind them, and there are a couple of people out there who can improve them even more.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 27, 2025 08:35 PM (0sNs1)

153 * shows up at TxMoMe with a red dot and a 45mm watch. *
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 27, 2025 07:42 PM (0sNs1)

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*shows up at a MoMe with a 45mm watch WITH a red dot.

Posted by: haffhowershower at April 27, 2025 08:36 PM (144I4)

154 Gravity makes Hoover Dam work.

Posted by: First-Principles Gref at April 27, 2025 08:36 PM (aBgBM)

155 I dunno. I get distracted by the dots. And in close quarters, there’s a pretty good chance I won’t get the pistol up to my eyes and arms fully extended anyway.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 27, 2025 08:33 PM

I hear ya. Imma stick with my iron sights...at short range.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 27, 2025 08:36 PM (Wnv9h)

156 Mark Andrew Edwards (and all others),

I have both old eyes AND shaky hands. So I have been experimenting with my son's 9mm (S&W) with a green laser.

I seem to shoot significantly better holding the gun AWAY from my eyeline and down around the center of my chest. I also seem to have much better situational awareness while looking down at the target while taking in the entire view in front of me.

Anyone know if this is good or horrible technique? If no one is an expert, any source for best practices for shooting a pistol with a laser that you would recommend that I read?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 27, 2025 08:37 PM (HlyYF)

157 Title: Yellow Rein
Description: Pooh with golf bumbershoot trying to shield Piglet from yellow rain
Circa: 2004
Artist: Kinkade
Size: 3 m height x 3 m diameter pool (suitable for wading)
Weight: 2,4 tonnes metric
Disneyland Gift Shoppe Main Street USA

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 27, 2025 08:37 PM (gbOdA)

158 Some guys at the pistol matches have PCCs with dots. They're so easy and accurate to use I actually wonder why they use them in a match - don't see the sport or challenge. Boring. But indeed excellent short-range systems. Have started to think about getting/building one for "home defense" purposes (the boss is handy with the M1 carbine, but weight seems to be an issue, so a PCC would have to be very light).

Posted by: rhomboid at April 27, 2025 08:20 PM (1m82a)

Check out the 9 Hole Reviews channel. One of the hosts updated an H&K SP5K-PDW platform with a Holosun ACSS bullet drop compensator optic, an M-LOK handguard mounting a light and short vertical foregrip, and a B&T collapsing stock (yes, it's an SBR). Very light - about 6 pounds total. With a 15 round magazine, it's even concealable in a laptop case or under a long coat. The bullet drop compensator optic allows reliable hits on targets out to 100+ meters. A lot of capability in a small package. If H&K is beyond your price point, a clone can serve equally well.

Posted by: Ed L at April 27, 2025 08:37 PM (AiJK3)

159 154 Gravity makes Hoover Dam work.
Posted by: First-Principles Gref at April 27, 2025 08:36 PM (aBgBM)

Judges would have accepted hydrology.

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 27, 2025 08:38 PM (gbOdA)

160 I used to be dots on everything. I have fallen back to the position of dots on PCC/large format pistols and on pistols made for dots (ie it is milled)

I have a Sig P226 with a dot and one without. My experience is congruent with MAE. I think I described it in an earlier gubthread as I am just as accurate with irons, but I can acquite the target faster with the dot. That probably works out the same to inside 7 yards irons are better and at 15 yards and out the dot is better.

Note to MAE: Style guide says you are 29.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 27, 2025 08:38 PM (QfvaV)

161 * shows up at TxMoMe with a red dot and a 45mm watch. *
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 27, 2025 07:42 PM (0sNs1)

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*shows up at a MoMe with a 45mm watch WITH a red dot.
Posted by: haffhowershower at April 27, 2025 08:36 PM (144I4)

Oh, shoot. Show up with a necklace using a 7" clock as bling. Have a red dot and a chainsaw attachment on your nug.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 27, 2025 08:38 PM (VNX3d)

162 RMBS, looking forward to it. Btw, I haven’t seen Scoobs tonight. I was going to razz him about his scope (having completely made a fool out of myself with mine).

Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 08:39 PM (ct7EE)

163 Lightweight (20 ounces) means you'll feel the recoil even though the pistol has decent ergonomics for a subcompact pistol. As a new entry to the market, getting it will be tough until H&K starts cranking up the production line. $700 MSRP. Watch this space for a fuller write up in the (not so near) future.
Posted by: Ed L at April 27, 2025 08:26 PM (AiJK3)

Shot this gun today. First time I picked it up, made a nice tight little group on top of the bullseye at 5 yards. It falls between the Sig P365 and P365XL in size. I have never been a "trigger guy" but the trigger on this gun is better than the Sigs.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 27, 2025
I also shot this today and even with adjusting to new eyesight shot a decent group.Not as good as Blaster's but acceptable.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 27, 2025 08:39 PM (t/2Uw)

164 I have probably avoided getting a ticket half the time I should have gotten one simply by volunteering that I have a firearm in the car and on my person when the officer approaches and tells me why he stopped me.
Well that and not being an asshole.

Posted by: Erebus- Ex Killer Whale at April 27, 2025 08:39 PM (elaR+)

165 There were several times in the last week I thought, Yeah, Weasel said not to do that. I eventually took note.
Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 08:02 PM

Walking the Way of the Weasel, you are.
Posted by: Yoda at April 27, 2025 08:14 PM (Wnv9h)
***

In my mind I'm seeing a poster for my local range:
WEASEL SAYS...and then add whatever advice is valid for the day.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 27, 2025 08:39 PM (W/lyH)

166 Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 08:39 PM (ct7EE)
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I don't think he was around last week, either. Hmmm...

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 08:40 PM (Axc90)

167 Folks, co-witness your red-dot with your front sight. You have the best of both worlds.

I prefer 2 MOA dots, so this works well. 3 MOA, meh, and 6 MOA dots are right out.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 27, 2025 08:40 PM (0sNs1)

168 Next, red dots on rifles...no question there. Optics on rifles mean faster target acquisition and more rounds on target. It's not even close compared to iron sights.

For me, with my eyes, at longer ranges red dots are essential for accuracy and rapid shot acquisitions. At short ranges, I don't need the dot. But then, I don't need the sights honestly either. Good presentation and practice will but bullets in bad guys at 5 or 7 or 3 yards without recourse to sight alignment. I'm not a Secret Service troll, I practice weekly and can hit what I aim at at short range even under stress.

Are you old, like I'm old? Switch to a red dot optic. Yes there will be a learning curve. It isn't bad and your performance and confidence will be greater with the dot.

That said, yes, I do carry and irons-only handgun now and again. Like my G21 which puts bullets in paper even at 15 yards.

But a red dot on it is better.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at April 27, 2025 08:40 PM (xcxpd)

169 148 P.I. that will probbly depend on whether I have my new bionic hip. lol
( I did do much better sitting down than holding it)

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 27, 2025 08:34 PM

If you want, I will follow you around the next MoMe after you get your new hip and make "Bionic Woman" special effects noises every time you stand up!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 27, 2025 08:40 PM (HlyYF)

170 167 Folks, co-witness your red-dot with your front sight. You have the best of both worlds.

I prefer 2 MOA dots, so this works well. 3 MOA, meh, and 6 MOA dots are right out.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 27, 2025 08:40 PM (0sNs1)

#Wisdom

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at April 27, 2025 08:40 PM (xcxpd)

171 Note to MAE: Style guide says you are 29.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 27, 2025 08:38 PM (QfvaV)

Noted

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at April 27, 2025 08:42 PM (xcxpd)

172 *shows up at a MoMe with a 45mm watch WITH a red dot.
Posted by: haffhowershower at April 27, 2025 08:36 PM

This will not get you Gertie belly-rub videos.

Heck, you won't even get the Fourth-Shot videos.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 27, 2025 08:42 PM (0sNs1)

173 Guys - what do you think about this? Maybe I can just keep buying guns that I want and asking sra blaster if they work better as an EDC for her? If it doesn't work out, go buy another!

Shh don't tell her she doesn't read this thread.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 27, 2025 08:42 PM (QfvaV)

174 Gun Thread! With Cute Lil' Dog! Thx Weasel!

never had a red dot optic, but I eventually took the laser off the P290 because I thought it was costing me 500 milliseconds (+/-) in getting the first shot off, and at tueller-drill range that's kind of a lot ...

long day, playing radio; g'night everyone!

(oh, & nice collection, Hickock45!)

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 27, 2025 08:43 PM (/Ghsb)

175 Heck, you won't even get the Fourth-Shot videos.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 27, 2025 08:42 PM (0sNs1)
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I need to figure out which video that was in and post it next week.

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 08:44 PM (Axc90)

176 Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 08:39 PM (ct7EE)
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I don't think he was around last week, either. Hmmm...
Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 08:40 PM

Hmmm, indeed.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 27, 2025 08:44 PM (Wnv9h)

177 You killa de people
I breaka you face

Posted by: Father Julius Santuci at April 27, 2025 08:44 PM (KrAWn)

178 Anyone know if this is good or horrible technique? If no one is an expert, any source for best practices for shooting a pistol with a laser that you would recommend that I read?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 27, 2025 08:37 PM (HlyYF)

At short ranges, this is totally fine.
A laser is great at short ranges (I have one on my FNX 45), and the 'center of mass' aiming technique will work fine at 7 yards or less. Will you win IPSEC or IDPA with it? No but it will work vs bad guys at conversational distances.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at April 27, 2025 08:44 PM (xcxpd)

179 Weasel - Thanks for the thread!

Also:
" I said hello and offered the two cards. The trooper said simply "I don't need to see those" and that was it. Truth be told, I was a little dejected. I wanted to finally give my little statement."
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Similar happened with me. In my case, I simply said, 'I have a carry permit, but there are no firearms in the vehicle or on my person'. His reply, 'Okay, and thanks for telling me.'

There's a little bit more... the guy was very professional and polite. I actually wrote a short note to the Chief praising the guy's demeanor, and received a note from the chief in response, stating that my letter would go into the guy's file.

That was several years back. Now, the guy that stopped me is the new chief.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 27, 2025 08:44 PM (XeU6L)

180 Weasel is right. I don't like being disappointed.

Posted by: bluebell at April 27, 2025 08:45 PM (79pEw)

181 Well, they missed the food thread but we just had two chicks hatch out in the incubator. It's always amazing how perfectly timed they are. 21 days and you'd better be ready.

Posted by: Boron Quidquid - Ladies, you weren't liberated. You were industrialized. Now you're widgets, too. at April 27, 2025 08:46 PM (QzE3O)

182 With 4 AR15s, one is a Bushmaster (original) carry handle with irons, one has a LPVO with lighted reticle, one has a red dot/magnifier combo, and one is a "pistol" with a holographic style site which I would consider a dot.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 27, 2025 08:46 PM (QfvaV)

183 Seems like I'm a dinosaur when it comes to optics on a sidearm. A rifle is a totally different story.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 27, 2025 08:47 PM (mH6SG)

184 MAE, I think my problem with the Ruger Max 9 and red dot is the size of the gun. Being small, it is harder to grip properly, so the sight alignment/red dot acquisition is slower.
I think I’ll try it on a larger pistol. Like my G 21. Which I really should shoot more often, except it’s my sock drawer gun.

Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 08:47 PM (ct7EE)

185 Because I'm an easily amused moron, I see on TV that silver is $33.20 right now and gold is $3,320 [.70] right now too!

Posted by: andycanuck (mZtdJ) at April 27, 2025 08:47 PM (mZtdJ)

186 Weasel is right. I don't like being disappointed.
Posted by: bluebell at April 27, 2025 08:45 PM (79pEw)
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See, people! Do you see now?! Do not disappoint bluebell!

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 08:47 PM (Axc90)

187 The Type 89 "Knee Mortar" was very effective and an excellent infantry support weapon, according to Lt. Colonel John B. George, a weapons expert and a veteran of the Guadalcanal and Burma campaigns. In his excellent book, "Shots Fired in Anger", he describes the tactics used by the Japanese to pin down US forces with the Type 89s and criticized the US Army for failing to develop a similar weapon.

Posted by: mrp at April 27, 2025 08:47 PM (rj6Yv)

188 The green dot Holosun on my G48 is much crisper than the Viper Vortex red dot on my Kimber.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 27, 2025 08:48 PM (t/2Uw)

189 146 Hiya MARK!

If you are shooting at someone greater than 15 yards, WA State will throw your ass in jail.

I dunno. I get distracted by the dots. And in close quarters, there’s a pretty good chance I won’t get the pistol up to my eyes and arms fully extended anyway.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 27, 2025 08:33 PM (9BeIJ)

Hi Nurse!

If I'm shooting at someone at 15+ yards, I have damn good reason for it. Yes, I'm a white male in WA and possibly I'm fucked. But if I've pulled my pistol, there's a reason. I don't carry for the fun of it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at April 27, 2025 08:48 PM (xcxpd)

190 And in close quarters, there’s a pretty good chance I won’t get the pistol up to my eyes and arms fully extended anyway.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 27, 2025 08:33 PM (9BeIJ)

I advocate learning "point shooting" for this very reason. Learn to grip your gun so that it's just like pointing your forefinger at things. Almost everyone can naturally point pretty accurately.

And, it's how you get that shot off quickly when the bad guy is rushing you inside 5 yards or so - before you ever get that gun to eye level.

I'm not advocating trying to learn to shoot without using your sights (of whatever sort), but concentrating on making your grip and aim coincide with your natural pointing ability. When trying to do this, I think I discovered my grip on the 9mm 1911 wasn't what it should be for getting that straight-back trigger pull - so it's VERY fundamentals. (It might be one of the factors in finding the gun you shoot well - one with a grip that accommodates that pointing.)

Remember the old video on cops learning to shoot, and shooting with the gun below eye level?

Posted by: GWB at April 27, 2025 08:50 PM (wbjSL)

191 184 MAE, I think my problem with the Ruger Max 9 and red dot is the size of the gun. Being small, it is harder to grip properly, so the sight alignment/red dot acquisition is slower.
I think I’ll try it on a larger pistol. Like my G 21. Which I really should shoot more often, except it’s my sock drawer gun.
Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 08:47 PM (ct7EE)

The G21 is my EDC this week. It's very lightweight for a .45 with 13 rounds and I just demonstrated that it's accurate in slow fire and double taps, this week.

I actually think dots on small guns are even more important as accuracy on them is even harder than duty sized handguns. That said, I haven't tried a MAX 9. Rugers can be hit or miss. No pun intended. I have some damn good Rugers.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at April 27, 2025 08:50 PM (xcxpd)

192 Is there a more specific date for the NoVaMoMe than 2025?

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 27, 2025 08:51 PM (QfvaV)

193 Weasel is right. I don't like being disappointed.
Posted by: bluebell at April 27, 2025 08:45 PM

No. No, she does not.

Even the most fleeting of thoughts of disappointing bluebell should make you tremble in abject terror.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 27, 2025 08:51 PM (0sNs1)

194 all right, need to deal with dogs

BBL

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at April 27, 2025 08:51 PM (xcxpd)

195 At short ranges, this is totally fine.
A laser is great at short ranges (I have one on my FNX 45), and the 'center of mass' aiming technique will work fine at 7 yards or less. Will you win IPSEC or IDPA with it? No but it will work vs bad guys at conversational distances.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at April 27, 2025 08:44 PM

I wrote poorly (as usual).

I am not talking about aiming at the target for "center mass" training. For my version of "precision" shooting, my groups are smaller and closer to the aim point with this technique.

However, I certainly agree with you about not winning any matches. There is no amount of practice that would make me an expert pistol shooter at my (lower) level of athleticism.

I am just working on best practices in the event that I am ever in a self defense situation. I am just trying to get better at that level.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 27, 2025 08:52 PM (HlyYF)

196 And, it's how you get that shot off quickly when the bad guy is rushing you inside 5 yards or so - before you ever get that gun to eye level.

Posted by: GWB at April 27, 2025 08:50 PM (wbjSL)
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This!!!!

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 08:52 PM (Axc90)

197 I don't carry for the fun of it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at April 27, 2025 08:48 PM (xcxpd)

I don't think she's advocating that. But just acknowledging the facts. I'm going to western WA state in a few weeks (to see my mom) and I wanted to do some shooting there. But there's no reciprocity with VA, and the rifles I wanted to take would all (including the M1 Garand!!!) be illegal.

I really hate the commies in Olympia.

Posted by: GWB at April 27, 2025 08:53 PM (wbjSL)

198 Blastr, SEG only has one Kimber on theri rental list, the Mocro 9 Rapide.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 27, 2025 08:53 PM (t/2Uw)

199 Dinner bell ringing!

Thanks for another good Gub Thread, Weasel!

Hope all Morons have a good week!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 27, 2025 08:53 PM (HlyYF)

200 Weasel, time for me to sign off. I have an early wake up tomorrow.

Posted by: Ed L at April 27, 2025 08:53 PM (AiJK3)

201 Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 27, 2025 08:51 PM (QfvaV)
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Yes.

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 08:53 PM (Axc90)

202 Because I'm an easily amused moron, I see on TV that silver is $33.20 right now and gold is $3,320 [.70] right now too!
Posted by: andycanuck (mZtdJ) at April 27, 2025 08:47 PM

Hasn't the historical price ratio of silver to gold been around 25:1?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 27, 2025 08:54 PM (0sNs1)

203 Micro 9 Rapide.
so many typos...

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 27, 2025 08:54 PM (t/2Uw)

204 Bluebell.
I disappointed her.
Once.

Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 08:54 PM (ct7EE)

205 Adios, PI and Ed L!

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 08:55 PM (Axc90)

206 Gravity makes Hoover Dam work.
Posted by: First-Principles Gref at April 27, 2025 08:36 PM (aBgBM)

It's fundamentals!

Posted by: GWB at April 27, 2025 08:55 PM (wbjSL)

207 Bluebell.
I disappointed her.
Once.
Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 08:54 PM (ct7EE)

You lived?????

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 27, 2025 08:55 PM (VNX3d)

208 And by tremble, I mean shiver.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 27, 2025 08:55 PM (0sNs1)

209 180 Weasel is right. I don't like being disappointed.
Posted by: bluebell
.................................
youtu.be/PPskYVBqdNw

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at April 27, 2025 08:56 PM (sAmhv)

210 First handgun I ever purchased is a Ruger P95. I bought it before I became a "gun guy" and I often thought of it as a 2 tone yuppie gun.

But I like it. And it works. Like all the time. Eats everything including Wolf and Tul steelcase.

And, of course, I have another P95. It went to the range today. It had a really bad day. It doesn't like that green HiTek ammo at all. And it HATES being limpwristed. At all.

It resides in one of my distributed hidden safes in the house and I don't think it is up to emergency duty. Going to have to replace it. I don't want a Glock but maybe I will slot the PSA Dagger into that role.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 27, 2025 08:57 PM (QfvaV)

211 {{{Bluebell}}}

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 27, 2025 08:58 PM (t/2Uw)

212 201 Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 27, 2025 08:51 PM (QfvaV)
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Yes.
Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 08:53 PM (Axc90)

You sure you are an accountant and not an engineer?

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 27, 2025 08:59 PM (QfvaV)

213 A Ruger RXM 9mm followed me home today. It came with two magazines, is set up for a future red dot installation, and cost about $200 less than a similarly set up Glock 19.

Barrel has real rifling, so I can shot lead bullets without worry. Trigger is Glock crunchy, but of a reasonable pull weight so I won't be fiddling with aftermarket parts.

Drizzling rain today, so I didn't get a chance to shoot it.

Best part is it takes Glock magazines, so I don't have to go searching for Ruger-proprietary ones.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at April 27, 2025 08:59 PM (eIjvK)

214 With Ace on vacation next week, does Weasel have to worry about the dreaded 0700 hrs Zoom call, should the Gun Thread not exceed the (current) Food Thread comment count of 242?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 27, 2025 09:01 PM (0sNs1)

215 You sure you are an accountant and not an engineer?
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 27, 2025 08:59 PM (QfvaV)
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Ha!
It's right up there in bold and everything!

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 09:02 PM (Axc90)

216 Weasel, I just rewatched the Garand video. I had forgotten about the moment of silence and angelic choir.
Priceless.

Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 09:02 PM (ct7EE)

217 21 days and you'd better be ready.
Posted by: Boron Quidquid - Ladies, you weren't liberated. You were industrialized. Now you're widgets, too. at April 27, 2025 08:46 PM (QzE3O)

Feeding hawks? Or yourself at some later point?

Posted by: GWB at April 27, 2025 09:02 PM (wbjSL)

218 I have one handgun with an optic, FNX45 Tactical, but I don't carry it anywhere but the range.

Posted by: Eromero at April 27, 2025 09:03 PM (LHPAg)

219 Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 27, 2025 09:01 PM (0sNs1)
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He'll have staff make the call!

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 09:03 PM (Axc90)

220 Which I really should shoot more often, except it’s my sock drawer gun.
Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 08:47 PM (ct7EE)

What? You don't like your socks or something? If they're clean, take the gun out for some love once in a while!

Posted by: GWB at April 27, 2025 09:04 PM (wbjSL)

221 Ha!
It's right up there in bold and everything!
Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 09:02 PM (Axc90)

Oh. Right. Up there. In bold.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 27, 2025 09:05 PM (QfvaV)

222 Ammoed the lawn today.....

Posted by: Behind Every Blade of Grass at April 27, 2025 09:05 PM (RFhjS)

223 Hasn't the historical price ratio of silver to gold been around 25:1?
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Don't know. Just smiling at the symmetry.

I have very, very simple pleasures.

Posted by: andycanuck (mZtdJ) at April 27, 2025 09:05 PM (mZtdJ)

224 Which I really should shoot more often, except it’s my sock drawer gun.
Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 08:47 PM (ct7EE)

What? You don't like your socks or something? If they're clean, take the gun out for some love once in a while!
Posted by: GWB at April 27, 2025 09:04 PM (wbjSL)

His socks don't deserve their own gun for protection?

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 27, 2025 09:06 PM (VNX3d)

225 Scoob is using Fast Eddie Felsen from the Paul Newman character in two films.

If it helps, sighting systems are basically a way of indexing your firearm to the target and there are multiple ways to do that. Some are much better than others.

Re lasers and red dots, Louie Awerbuck noted like Weasel that they are going to wobble--no cure for that but you can make your wobbles smaller and if that is in the A zone--that is all that matters. Aka his Aim Small, Miss Small.

I find they go with carbine style rifles and something like a PCC quite well for me. Beyond that, I prefer a scope past 100 yards and iron sights on a pistol. FWIW, unless you are a cop or expect TEOTWASKI (Zombie invasion), in most cases, certainly in most indoor self defense scenarios, you will be shooting handguns at 25 yards or less for legal reasons.

Beyond 25 yards, reasonableness and target id kicks in hard as the reasonableness can diminish as the distance gets greater.

People in wide open western states get a bit more leeway at times because you shoot a grizzly as far away as you can accurately hit one that is charging you. You might just need multiple shots for a stop.

Posted by: whig at April 27, 2025 09:06 PM (ctrM5)

226 Oh. Right. Up there. In bold.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 27, 2025 09:05 PM (QfvaV)
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Twice even!

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 09:06 PM (Axc90)

227 He'll have staff make the call!
Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 09:03 PM

But surely no one on staff has the emotional range and overwrought histrionics of a distressed Ewok.

Right?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 27, 2025 09:06 PM (0sNs1)

228 Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a special late greeting to our host Weasel.

Spent most of the afternoon moving furniture and painting. My back is now informing me that I am, in fact, getting too old for this ... stuff.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at April 27, 2025 09:08 PM (v23vE)

229 Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 27, 2025 09:06 PM (0sNs1)
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That has been my experience, excepting bluebell, of course!

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 09:09 PM (Axc90)

230 Twice even!
Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 09:06 PM (Axc90)

I should have focused on the fundamentals.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 27, 2025 09:09 PM (QfvaV)

231 Best part is it takes Glock magazines, so I don't have to go searching for Ruger-proprietary ones.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy

Cost and availability of mags is an important concern for self defense arms for most people. If you train with it, a minimum of six and up to 10 are useful. Training mag changes (leaving out that tactical mag tactic) means you drop them outta the gun and ram a new one in. Essentially, they are expendables. Carrying with a spare mag can also end up requiring mag changes every so often for carry duty.

Number needed adds up fast.

Posted by: whig at April 27, 2025 09:09 PM (ctrM5)

232 His socks don't deserve their own gun for protection?
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 27, 2025 09:06 PM (VNX3d)

You should see my underwear drawer gun!

Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 09:10 PM (ct7EE)

233 I should have focused on the fundamentals.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 27, 2025 09:09 PM (QfvaV)
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Blaster gets it!

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 09:11 PM (Axc90)

234 Night all
Have a great week.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 27, 2025 09:12 PM (t/2Uw)

235 A Ruger RXM 9mm followed me home today. It came with two magazines, is set up for a future red dot installation, and cost about $200 less than a similarly set up Glock 19.

Barrel has real rifling, so I can shot lead bullets without worry. Trigger is Glock crunchy, but of a reasonable pull weight so I won't be fiddling with aftermarket parts.

Drizzling rain today, so I didn't get a chance to shoot it.

Best part is it takes Glock magazines, so I don't have to go searching for Ruger-proprietary ones.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at April 27, 2025 08:59 PM (eIjvK)

My Ruger Pistol Caliber Carbine has that same Glock mag feature, which is nice to have. Once I got my red dot zeroed at the TXMoMe rifle range last year (with the gracious help of many Gub Morons), I rely on it for close-in (50-100 yard) range shots.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at April 27, 2025 09:12 PM (v23vE)

236 Gertie Belly Scratches
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Happy dog! Spent the day on the golf course. Should have spent it working on FUNdamentals. Either gubs or golf. Thanks Weasel.

Posted by: scampydog at April 27, 2025 09:14 PM (41CYW)

237 Our Extar EP9s have red dots.

They are "large format pistols" but are functionally PCCs.

I can't imagine them without red dots.

Posted by: blaster at April 27, 2025 09:14 PM (QfvaV)

238 Essentially, they are expendables.
Posted by: whig at April 27, 2025 09:09 PM (ctrM5)

Which is what makes those really cool gun purchases problematic. For anything new with a proprietary magazine, you have to consider stocking a box of 20 or more in the back of your closet, just in case they never make anymore. Acknowledging that is part, I think, of what makes the AR such a popular platform - you can actually treat them as expendables and it's easy to get more.

Posted by: GWB at April 27, 2025 09:14 PM (wbjSL)

239 Hello Weasel, hello Horde, hello brother Pillage....
It's been a mighty intense two weeks that has not included range time. Spending so much time in Pittsburgh I'm beginning to say y'inz instead of y'all...just need to power thru one more week and things should be much better. And today we found a range I need to explore...and a machine gun rental place...
Bluebell, we will definitely not disappoint you. And RI Red, we hope you don't disappoint Ben Had come Oct

Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at April 27, 2025 09:14 PM (cCn4/)

240 That has been my experience, excepting bluebell, of course!
Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 09:09 PM

Then we best get commenting. The only thing worse than a hysterical, overwrought Ewok squeeling at you at 0700 hours would be facing bluebell, who's spun multiple donuts on your front lawn in her black muscle car just prior to exiting the vehicle and knocking on your door, with that disappointed look she has.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 27, 2025 09:15 PM (0sNs1)

241 Feeding hawks? Or yourself at some later point?
Posted by: GWB
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I've stupidly decided to try to figure out how to break apart pallets and make cheap chicken coops to donate to poor families in the community. It will eventually go through the church's men's group, but for now I'm trying to get the general construction and what not worked out. Three chickens and you've eventually got quite a few eggs each week.

I think I'll end up eating a couple each month, though.

Posted by: Boron Quidquid - Ladies, you weren't liberated. You were industrialized. Now you're widgets, too. at April 27, 2025 09:15 PM (QzE3O)

242 A Ruger RXM 9mm followed me home today.

I would be interesting in a review after you've had some quality time with it.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 27, 2025 09:16 PM (/y8xj)

243 Need to punch out for the night. Thanks for another great Gun Thread, Weasel!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 27, 2025 09:16 PM (Wnv9h)

244 Oooh, I'm a big Ruger fan and hadnt looked at or read much about the RXM. Thanks for mentioning it.

Posted by: Boron Quidquid - Ladies, you weren't liberated. You were industrialized. Now you're widgets, too. at April 27, 2025 09:17 PM (QzE3O)

245 Regarding the red/green dots, I've only used them once Found that I relied solely on the dot and not the actual fundamental, so was not as reliable. I do miss my range time and look forward to resuming it soon

Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at April 27, 2025 09:18 PM (cCn4/)

246 make cheap chicken coops to donate to poor families in the community.
Posted by: Boron Quidquid - Ladies, you weren't liberated. You were industrialized. Now you're widgets, too. at April 27, 2025 09:15 PM (QzE3O)

Very cool! You'll only need a couple per neighborhood, as very quickly they will start sharing the eggs with each other. Much like zucchini for gardeners.

Posted by: GWB at April 27, 2025 09:18 PM (wbjSL)

247 Ok, Weasel, looks like you can breathe easy for another week.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 27, 2025 09:18 PM (0sNs1)

248 And thank you for the Gertie video! You are both blessed.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 27, 2025 09:19 PM (0sNs1)

249 Thanks for the Gun Thread, Weasel!
Thanks to the Horde for the comments.

I'm hoping to see folks in June, and in October, if work (and life) turns out well.

Posted by: GWB at April 27, 2025 09:20 PM (wbjSL)

250 Ok, 9:20 thank you time!

Thank you!

Hope to see you next Sunday, and at the NoVAMoMe on June 21st!

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 09:20 PM (Axc90)

251 Gun thread, gun thread.... pffttt
The Holy Order of Sicilian Goomba Brotherhood code of offences:
Code 1 Meh just general no giva fuck I shoota you ina ass
Rock Salt
Code 2 Um I hear you giving grief to somaone I like :
410 gauge I shoota past your eara
Code 3 you threaton verbally or physically to someone I love.
You run with a target on your back away from a 4 man suad of 12 Ga moonshiners that bet who can wound the Bad Azz
Code 4 sneakers and creepers that steel the peepers and all murderous demons. Oh and I don wanna forget someone who goes dizgrazia Meh I load carpet tacks inna the shells for my 410 over under sawed off alley sweeper.
CAPICE ?

Posted by: Father Julius Santini known associate at April 27, 2025 09:20 PM (r3F/z)

252 In the small engine repair news: have not yet had time to get the compression gauge on it. Given everything else that says it SHOULD run I suspect I am going to find it fails the compression test.

And if I fix it there will still be a 50+ year old engine that is going to be temperamental. So I am going to repower the flail mower. I have an electric start 420cc engine that I know I can get parts for cheap that is ready to go on there. Well, once the shaft coupling that I ordered gets here. Supposed to be here Friday night - was at Dulles USPS Friday am. But then for some reason USPS thought it should go to Ohio. Which is where the system says it is now.

Posted by: blaster at April 27, 2025 09:21 PM (QfvaV)

253 You are both blessed.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 27, 2025 09:19 PM (0sNs1)
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That we are!! Thank you.

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 09:21 PM (Axc90)

254 sra blaster wants to go to the 600 yard range next weekend. Rifle is not wrist reliant.

Posted by: blaster at April 27, 2025 09:22 PM (QfvaV)

255 Speaking of, some moron (maybe even you GWB) posted a link to a video of some Russian guy breaking down a pallet with some blocks and a hammer. Thank you for that whoever provided it, it works great.

Posted by: Boron Quidquid - Ladies, you weren't liberated. You were industrialized. Now you're widgets, too. at April 27, 2025 09:22 PM (QzE3O)

256 Also time to punch out. Have a big day tomorrow. Another big day of being retired!
Thx for another great thread, Weasel!

Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 09:22 PM (ct7EE)

257 I was sort of expecting Magpul to have a bunch of sizes and variations of the RXM grip frame for sale. They do for the Sig P320.

Posted by: Oddbob at April 27, 2025 09:23 PM (/y8xj)

258 The gunsight videos were fascinating to watch, especially because I had no idea they were the precursor to today's optics. Amazing what we clever Americans were able to invent with just analog technology.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at April 27, 2025 09:23 PM (v23vE)

259 Thanks as always Weasel

Posted by: Boron Quidquid - Ladies, you weren't liberated. You were industrialized. Now you're widgets, too. at April 27, 2025 09:23 PM (QzE3O)

260 p.s. Grateful, I also disappointed Ben Had.
Once.
I might be pushing my luck.

Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 09:25 PM (ct7EE)

261 It might be mentioned in the clips, sorry if so

I'd forgotten about it until just now but I remember touring the USS Alabama and there was a writeup on the mechanical sighting mechanism for their huge guns. Worth tracking down and watching or reading about that stuff if you never have.

Posted by: Boron Quidquid - Ladies, you weren't liberated. You were industrialized. Now you're widgets, too. at April 27, 2025 09:26 PM (QzE3O)

262 SpaceX launch in 40 minutes or so.

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 09:30 PM (Axc90)

263 Which is what makes those really cool gun purchases problematic. For anything new with a proprietary magazine, you have to consider stocking a box of 20 or more in the back of your closet, just in case they never make anymore. Acknowledging that is part, I think, of what makes the AR such a popular platform - you can actually treat them as expendables and it's easy to get more.
Posted by: GWB
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Yep. Frequently arms makers change up their firearms just so they have to buy new sets of mags to go with their firearm. Don't care to own those firearms except as a collector's item.

Glock and Springfield (mostly) do not do that. And that is a reason to own 1911's or Browning Hi Powers of varying makes (except the newest one by Browning ironically) as well. Plenty of excellent aftermarket mags made by MecGar. True of third generation Smith and Wessons as well.

Posted by: whig at April 27, 2025 09:36 PM (ctrM5)

264 The Weasel has landed.

Posted by: andycanuck (mZtdJ) at April 27, 2025 09:37 PM (mZtdJ)

265 On alignment of red dots - my process is this - get a laser bore site doodad and align the dot with the laser spot at whatever you think your range should be - I go with 15 yards as that is the farthest unobstructed sightline you can get in my house.

Then take it to the range and dial it in more if necessary. But the laser bore site thingy will give you a very good starting point.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 27, 2025 09:37 PM (QfvaV)

266 was sort of expecting Magpul to have a bunch of sizes and variations of the RXM grip frame for sale. They do for the Sig P320.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 27, 2025 09:23 PM (/y8xj)

Magpul website shows three different sizes in a multitude of colors "coming soon" but only two colors of the the standard size available right now.

I'm going to hold out for a Robin's Egg Blue one, like SIG has for the P365.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at April 27, 2025 09:38 PM (eIjvK)

267 Does the horde have any opinion on lucky gunners for ammo

Posted by: MAC V SOG at April 27, 2025 09:39 PM (P4Pk9)

268 Does the horde have any opinion on lucky gunners for ammo
Posted by: MAC V SOG at April 27, 2025 09:39 PM (P4Pk9)
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I seem to recall using them once or twice, and nothing terrible happened

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 09:41 PM (Axc90)

269 Do you need a laugh?

One dollar Newsweek says that Trump's approval rating in his first 100 days is 'double digits below Obama and Biden.'

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 27, 2025 09:42 PM (6/+5Z)

270 I seem to recall using them once or twice, and nothing terrible happened
Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 09:41 PM (Axc90)
Thanks

Posted by: MAC V SOG at April 27, 2025 09:42 PM (P4Pk9)

271 I have a friend who printed a Glock 19 in translucent filament.

It looks pretty cool.

I am not going to be there when he test fires it, though.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at April 27, 2025 09:42 PM (QfvaV)

272 On firearms, do what works for you on sighting but practice it and follow Weasel's fundamentals (which are universally taught by good instructors btw).

But, a there is a critical thing to remember as you pile more tech on a pistol or rifle. It gives Murphy wider latitude to play havoc and requires more upkeep to check batteries, check tightness, check settings (using fingernail polish or liquid paper in a line across windage, etc. can tell you if your sight settings have been monkeyed with or moved), etc.

And ALWAYS have a backup plan if tech fails including using the very shape of the firearm's slide as a rough index or backup iron sights.

Posted by: whig at April 27, 2025 09:42 PM (ctrM5)

273 OT- Just wanted to alert people to some long but excellent posts at the very end of the Harvard threat by poster called Donovan" ( There are several of posts ) about his experience about going to Harvard and how he thinks it lost its way after WWII. The same things can be said about Princeton. If one walks around their campus there are all kinds of memorials stones to men who loved their country and their faith and high ideals. Anyway, I appreciate taking his time in composing such thoughtful, intellligent posts. They're heartbreaking really about what Ivy Leagues have become ,and I say this as someone whose uncle and grandfather both went to Princeton . I think Donovan should get his comments published in a longer format. Thanks ,Donovan .

I wanted to alert people because sometimes people do not go back to old threads

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 27, 2025 09:43 PM (42Vb+)

274 I am not going to be there when he test fires it, though.
Posted by: blaster
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From my experiences with Lexan, that particular plastic might just be tough enough to last a little while as an AR receiver but would get battered by being used as a pistol frame.

Posted by: whig at April 27, 2025 09:44 PM (ctrM5)

275 Typo- Harvard "thread" although it is a "threat" as well.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 27, 2025 09:44 PM (42Vb+)

276 Magpul website shows three different sizes in a multitude of colors "coming soon" but only two colors of the the standard size available right now.

OK, I even missed those. Checking again...

Posted by: Oddbob at April 27, 2025 09:45 PM (/y8xj)

277 Translucent filaments?

An invisible gun ain't worth much if you can still see the bullets.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 27, 2025 09:45 PM (6/+5Z)

278 Inspect your ammo.

Posted by: 80's music fan at April 27, 2025 09:45 PM (QSrLX)

279 268 Does the horde have any opinion on lucky gunners for ammo
Posted by: MAC V SOG

Good to go. Fast shipping where I am located, your mileage may vary. Owners are former law students of Instapundit's Glenn Reynolds at UT law.

Make sure to check out their blog and ratings on self defense ammo plus the various labs posts on things like steel cased ammo fired through ARs.

Posted by: whig at April 27, 2025 09:46 PM (ctrM5)

280 One dollar Newsweek says that Trump's approval rating in his first 100 days is 'double digits below Obama and Biden.'

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I'm not sure whether the correct response is "good" or "yes, please"

Because those are all of the same group of money laundering barnacles we elected Trump to try to pry off of the bottom of the ship of state before it causes America and Americans to sink.

Wait, I guess "More please" is an option, too.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Satisfy your male boss, ignore your husband's desires at April 27, 2025 09:46 PM (6GvqP)

281 *cues up a picture of David Hogg*

Harvard does favors the Innsmouth look. So Fenelon Spoke is correct about the threat.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 27, 2025 09:47 PM (6/+5Z)

282 I may not have much to contribute to the gum thread, but I read it every week. Thanks, Weasel.

I appreciate the off-topic content as well. As fascinating as the Hoover Dam video looks, I'm more likely to spend an hour watching the Beast from Haunted Cave, with its all-star big-name cast.
😉

Posted by: mindful webworker - son of a gum at April 27, 2025 09:47 PM (+bW3+)

283 Posted by: mindful webworker - son of a gum at April 27, 2025 09:47 PM (+bW3+)
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Appreciate it!

Posted by: Weasel at April 27, 2025 09:48 PM (Axc90)

284 80

Texas has a duty to inform law also. I can't prove it but I have been informed that every time any LE scans a car license plate that scan pings back to the owner info and alerts them if they have a state issued CCW permit. I know that happens in Texas with a car with Texas plates but I have been told that other states that scan plates get the same results. I do not know if that is true or not.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 27, 2025 07:50 PM (e5NfL)

Supposedly, Iowa does not tie CCL status to drivers license or vehicle registration. Supposedly.

CCLs here are issued by county sheriffs, not by the state. I don't know if sheriffs forward that information to a central state database, they probably do, for dealing with revocation of permits. Iowa is also constitutional carry, so not everyone who is legally carrying here has a permit.

Posted by: BillyD at April 27, 2025 09:49 PM (Yt3ED)

285 OT- Just wanted to alert people to some long but excellent posts at the very end of the Harvard threat by poster called Donovan" ( There are several of posts ) about his experience about going to Harvard and how he thinks it lost its way after WWII. The same things can be said about Princeton.

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Eric Weinstein discusses something that is probably similar. Harvard is somehow simultaneously the best and worst school in the United States.

I still default to the "let them spend their own money if it's so rewarding" position, especially since the argument seems to be "but using our tax dollars helps the medical industry make trillions on what you and your grandchildren already paid for"

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Satisfy your male boss, ignore your husband's desires at April 27, 2025 09:49 PM (6GvqP)

286 265 On alignment of red dots - my process is this - get a laser bore site doodad and align the dot with the laser spot at whatever you think your range should be - I go with 15 yards as that is the farthest unobstructed sightline you can get in my house.

Then take it to the range and dial it in more if necessary. But the laser bore site thingy will give you a very good starting point.

Posted by: blaster
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Come in two types and useful for rifles and long guns as well. The two types are cartridge specific laser cartridges and arbor types. Going cheap on either is a waste of money for the most part. Cheap arbors move or deflect in bores and cheap no name cartridge lasers can be off center from the mfg.

Posted by: whig at April 27, 2025 09:50 PM (ctrM5)

287 I wanted to alert people because sometimes people do not go back to old threads
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

I heard that old threads have cooties.

Posted by: mindful webworker - ewww at April 27, 2025 09:50 PM (+bW3+)

288 Old threads can get your banned, so comment wisely.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 27, 2025 09:52 PM (6/+5Z)

289 The ONT is an Open Thread. And posts in less than 10 minutes

Just sayin.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 27, 2025 09:52 PM (5AobS)

290 The ONT is an Open Thread. And posts in less than 10 minutes
Just sayin.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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And Doof. So bonus fun.

Posted by: scampydog at April 27, 2025 09:53 PM (41CYW)

291 Re laser sighting, I have used both and have a Wheeler magnetic arbor green laser for old iron sight rifle corrections.

Have some cartridge types for firearms as I have sight tools for changing sights on them to night sights/fiber optic sights or to replace old sights.

Both work to get you on paper at ranges and with the proper technique can greatly reduce your fired rounds necessary to zero and ensure POI =POA where you want it in distance.

Posted by: whig at April 27, 2025 09:53 PM (ctrM5)

292 The ONT is an Open Thread. And posts in less than 10 minutes

Thanks for your concern. I will not be up for the ONT.

Have a good evening.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 27, 2025 09:54 PM (B6Nth)

293 You should see my underwear drawer gun!
Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 09:10 PM (ct7EE)

Is it two tone?

Posted by: haffhowershower at April 27, 2025 09:55 PM (144I4)

294 Heck, did not know that Eat Ze Snails CBD has only 244 posts this week. Over 50 more here so now I can punch out. Have a nice week folks.

Posted by: whig at April 27, 2025 09:57 PM (ctrM5)

295 The gyro gunsight tech was pioneered by the Brits just prior to WW2.

Posted by: Rex B at April 27, 2025 09:58 PM (RFhjS)

296 One dollar Newsweek says that Trump's approval rating in his first 100 days is 'double digits below Obama and Biden.'
Posted by: Anna Puma

The same MFM that said Biden was sentient?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at April 27, 2025 09:58 PM (/lPRQ)

297 You should see my underwear drawer gun!
Posted by: RI Red at April 27, 2025 09:10 PM (ct7EE)

Nora, "Nicki, why is that officer searching my drawers?"

Nicki, "looking for your concealed carry."

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 27, 2025 09:58 PM (6/+5Z)

298 I report, you decide.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 27, 2025 10:01 PM (6/+5Z)

299 267 Does the horde have any opinion on lucky gunners for ammo
Posted by: MAC V SOG at April 27, 2025 09:39 PM (P4Pk9)

I've used them. They aren't the cheapest or most expensive. No problems with the. But I tend to use SGAmmo or Southern Munitions for my bulk buys.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at April 27, 2025 10:02 PM (xcxpd)

300 We're in injury time awaiting the ONT, so I'll just say thanks to Weasel and all the Gub Threaders for yet another interesting evening!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at April 27, 2025 10:02 PM (v23vE)

301 The gyro gunsight tech was pioneered by the Brits just prior to WW2.
Posted by: Rex B at April 27, 2025 09:58 PM (RFhjS)

Thanks, Rex B. This is an area into which I need to dig deeper.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy (OT but harmless) at April 27, 2025 10:04 PM (v23vE)

302 Nood.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at April 27, 2025 10:04 PM (ufFY8)

303 You're welcome, Schnorflepuppy! I hate to correct people but also have chats with our other Allies over who did what way back when and am aware of the sensitivity. Nice thing is the Allies were better at sharing tech compared to the Axis powers, mostly.

Posted by: Rex B at April 27, 2025 10:08 PM (RFhjS)

304 boobs

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at April 27, 2025 10:12 PM (xcxpd)

305 Thanks for the Weaseldog and Gertie pictures. They are adorable.

Posted by: Mrs JTB at April 27, 2025 10:29 PM (yTvNw)

306 That Hoover Dam video is absolutely remarkable. As a lifelong science nerd, I was amazed at the attention to detail the creator of that video devoted to the step by step construction the dam. The design and construction of the dam is truly a testament to the desire of man to control his environment, and designing and building the structure to achieve that goal.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at April 27, 2025 10:38 PM (5xuJ/)

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