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Media Claims That Trump Backs Tax Hike on Millionaires as Part of His "Big Beautiful Tax Bill;" Trump Says "No, I Don't"
I don't know if this was a real trial balloon or just another completely fabricated Democrat op.
Fox is claiming that "White House aides" floated the idea of creating a new highest income tax bracket for the wealthiest tax payers of something like 38%.Rep. Dan Meuser, a Pennsylvania Republican, is supporting the White House's proposed tax hike for people making more than $1 million. "I believe we must help the President deliver on his promise of a tax and regulatory plan that supports pro-American economic and manufacturing growth, and delivers for the vast majority of Americans -- while creating savings and promoting fiscal responsibility. Any adjustments in taxes to accomplish these goals should be considered," Meuser told Fox News Digital in a statement on Tuesday. Last week, White House aides began quietly floating a proposal to House Republicans that would raise the tax rate to 40% for Americans making more than $1 million, sources told Fox News Digital about the preliminary discussions. The plan would shore up income to fund President Donald Trump's ambitious campaign promises to eliminate taxes on overtime, tips and Social Security. On Thursday, Meuser said on "Mornings with Maria" that he suggested a less than 2% tax hike for the "wealthy, high-end income" tax bracket months ago. He noted that Trump's 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act lowered the top tax rate from 39.6% to 37%, so raising it to 38.6% would still keep it below the pre-TCJA level by nearly one percentage point.I don't know if support that or oppose it. I'm always against taxing "The rich" more, as they already pay the bulk of taxes. But then, the rich keep voting for Democrats and keep voting against America and against American citizens, so sometimes I think: You want Democrat levels of taxation? You got it. But we don't have to have this debate because Trump says he doesn't back any increases in taxes for any American citizen.
President Donald Trump appeared to rule out a proposal to raise taxes on millionaires, arguing they would flee the country over the policy. "I think it would be very disruptive because a lot of millionaires would leave the country," Trump told reporters in the Oval Office on April 23. "You'll lose a lot of money if you do that." Trump allies such as Steve Bannon have supported raising taxes on the rich, but the president hadn't taken a position. Trump has suggested tariffs could potentially replace the income tax, even though economists warn that tariffs raise far less revenue and fall harder on lower-income households.Some of you young readers may, like myself, not remember the Reagan Administration, because all of us 29-year-olds weren't born back then and wouldn't be born until the year 2000 or whatever. But the Reagan White House, especially in its first few years, was a place of intrigue, as different factions attempted to hijack the Reagan agenda for themselves. Back then, it was mostly left-leaning Rockefeller Republicans who were attempting to restrain and contain Reagan and do some unauthorized policy freelancing. The same thing is going on in the Trump White House, but there are fewer liberal Republicans, of course. It's a fight between Disruptors and Gradualists, the softer MAGA types who want change but who cringe at the thought of actually burning everything down. And while I get the idea of punishing the rich, who largely don't vote with us any more, I'm a little concerned about where all of this ends up. Do we want to drive away all old-school Republicans? Do we really want to completely swap the old Republican base for the old Democrat base? That does seem to be the plan pushed by some. But you know, as much as I get frustrated with scaredy-cat, smugly complacent old Republican base, I never loved the Democrat base all that much, either, and I'm not looking forward to the kinds of soft socialist policies we'd wind up pursuing if the party because majority working class Democrat.
Comments
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Im out of Chatdonnay
Posted by: Deplorable Minion at April 24, 2025 03:20 PM (QSrLX)
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also typing
Posted by: Deplorable Minion at April 24, 2025 03:20 PM (QSrLX)
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take the rest of the day off. ?
Posted by: Deplorable Minion at April 24, 2025 03:21 PM (QSrLX)
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Quick buy scratchers!
Posted by: Deplorable Minion at April 24, 2025 03:22 PM (QSrLX)
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because all of us 29-year-olds weren't born back then and wouldn't be born until the year 2000 or whatever.
Apparently, there is no math on this blog.
Apparently, there is no math on this blog.
Posted by: Half Dozen at April 24, 2025 03:22 PM (uVHlT)
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I feel the exact same way about taxing the millionaires. But I don't think this is the time to let them have it. Trump shouldn't increase taxes on anyone. The time to do it is the next time the Democrats have power. Democrats are always screeching about taxing the rich, but at the same time they wink at their multi-millionaire buddies and say don't worry, the GOP will never let it happen. So we get the worst of both worlds: we are seen as the plutocrats protecting the rich, while at the same time we are really just helping Democrats. Let the Democrats raise taxes on their rich buddies, don't be the one to do it.
Posted by: Mad Max in VA at April 24, 2025 03:23 PM (8iNlE)
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Imagine the morale on Trumps security team. Two scoops!
Posted by: Deplorable Minion at April 24, 2025 03:23 PM (QSrLX)
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I’d be fine raising taxes on those making over a million if it was then offset by tax cuts for upper middle class types.
The only people making over a million in salary a year are entertainers and athletes. So democrats
The only people making over a million in salary a year are entertainers and athletes. So democrats
Posted by: Maroon at April 24, 2025 03:23 PM (lVKJi)
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Class warfare is NOT a good model for a political movement. You won't like where it leads, and it's really fake anyway. The whole notion of simplified class systems is a paradigm of a "social construct." The reality is much more complicated.
Posted by: Eeyore at April 24, 2025 03:23 PM (1bNHn)
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I believe one should pay taxes on what you spend, not on what you earn.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 24, 2025 03:24 PM (W2Pud)
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Charge Biden. He's sharp, attentive and loaded with cash.
Posted by: Deplorable Minion at April 24, 2025 03:24 PM (QSrLX)
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>>>Fox is claiming that "White House aides" floated the idea of creating a new highest income tax bracket for the wealthiest tax payers of something like 38%.
Fine by me.
>>>I think it would be very disruptive because a lot of millionaires would leave the country.
Also fine by me. If they're US citizens, they have to pay tax on all money they earn worldwide anyways. If they're New Americans who bought their way in to an investor visa, I'm not going to be held hostage by them and their threat to move to Monaco or whatever. Fuck 'em. Clearly they were never here to be a part of America anyways, they were using us as a tax haven.
Fine by me.
>>>I think it would be very disruptive because a lot of millionaires would leave the country.
Also fine by me. If they're US citizens, they have to pay tax on all money they earn worldwide anyways. If they're New Americans who bought their way in to an investor visa, I'm not going to be held hostage by them and their threat to move to Monaco or whatever. Fuck 'em. Clearly they were never here to be a part of America anyways, they were using us as a tax haven.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 03:24 PM (uCjyK)
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It's crazy how people who don't think they're taxed enough kinda sorta forget to send in the extra money they believe they're stiffing Uncle Sam.
Posted by: Stu Podaso at April 24, 2025 03:24 PM (34Eyq)
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Remember that when the income tax was passed it was only meant to address a few wealthy people. Do you really trust Congress with this? I don’t. Ever. It will be corrupted for generations.
Johnson was right on this. We are not the party of higher taxes. This is antithetical to the entire MAGA movement which Trump mused a few short months ago would eliminate the income tax altogether.
Any member of the Republican Party buying onto this should be duct taped to a metal chair and tapped a few times with a car battery on sensitive places.
Johnson was right on this. We are not the party of higher taxes. This is antithetical to the entire MAGA movement which Trump mused a few short months ago would eliminate the income tax altogether.
Any member of the Republican Party buying onto this should be duct taped to a metal chair and tapped a few times with a car battery on sensitive places.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 24, 2025 03:25 PM (RYTCQ)
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"Some of you young readers may, like myself, not remember the Reagan Administration, because all of us 29-year-olds weren't born back then and wouldn't be born until the year 2000 or whatever."
LOL, Very early dementia kicking in, Ace? You were born in 2000 or whatever
I am glad you are taking time off next week. A rest might help you recall what year you were born.
LOL, Very early dementia kicking in, Ace? You were born in 2000 or whatever
I am glad you are taking time off next week. A rest might help you recall what year you were born.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 24, 2025 03:25 PM (42Vb+)
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I honestly don't care.
From a pragmatic standpoint, it's counterproductive to "tax the rich".
But at this point, as "the rich" is generally interested in harming me, so might as well make them hurt, too.
Maybe we could even drive some of them out of the country.
From a pragmatic standpoint, it's counterproductive to "tax the rich".
But at this point, as "the rich" is generally interested in harming me, so might as well make them hurt, too.
Maybe we could even drive some of them out of the country.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at April 24, 2025 03:25 PM (N1tpc)
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If we could just tax the real estate agents in NYC 75% I would be happy. I’ve got to quit watching Million Dollar Listing in NYC.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 03:26 PM (VofaG)
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The current highest bracket is 37%. That is a lot of money to take. Maybe I am old school, but I don’t think the rich need to be punished. I think people should make as much money as they can- me included- and I don’t fault anyone for earning more than I do. Good for them! May I be just like them (bank account wise) one day soon.
Posted by: Piper at April 24, 2025 03:26 PM (pZEOD)
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I have reached the conclusion that Trump is smarter and tougher than I thought he was the first time around. He is triangulating a lot of this stuff. A lot of what he does, says, tweets, is positioning for where he wants to end up. His cabinet is designed to maximize their ability to sell on tv his agenda. He's faced a lot of lawmakers so far, but is still winning in polling. Effecting actual change is harder. Border is closed mostly. Getting rid of the Kilmars is going to be more difficult unless he can radically disincentivize their staying here and they self deport. They are gang bangers however and follow orders.
Posted by: Kilmars Uber services at April 24, 2025 03:26 PM (DrGpr)
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No Tax On Tips, Overtime or Social Security = TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH!!!
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 24, 2025 03:26 PM (Vqx30)
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 24, 2025 03:27 PM (ynpvh)
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Any member of the Republican Party buying onto this should be duct taped to a metal chair and tapped a few times with a car battery on sensitive places.
Posted by: Marcus T
Go on…
Posted by: Marcus T
Go on…
Posted by: Lindsey! at April 24, 2025 03:27 PM (nIRE6)
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If we were talking about genuinely rich people, I wouldn't give a shit what happens to them. That ship sailed with TARP when I got to help make sure my betters didn't lose their shirts. The problem is that we are never talking about the genuinely rich. Those guys just tax plan their way to as minimal taxation while nobodies like me pay.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 24, 2025 03:27 PM (XCUp7)
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I'm really tired of how our government is run by leaks. I went through seventh grade once, I don't need it now.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 24, 2025 03:28 PM (lTGtQ)
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>>> 13 It's crazy how people who don't think they're taxed enough kinda sorta forget to send in the extra money they believe they're stiffing Uncle Sam.
Posted by: Stu Podaso at April 24, 2025 03:24 PM (34Eyq)
Is this about me?
Posted by: Stu Podaso at April 24, 2025 03:24 PM (34Eyq)
Is this about me?
Posted by: Warren Buffet at April 24, 2025 03:28 PM (Vqx30)
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White House aides" floated the idea
Which means Trump supported it? I'm confused.
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It means white house aides floated it. It means what it says.
Which means Trump supported it? I'm confused.
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It means white house aides floated it. It means what it says.
Posted by: Kilmars Uber services at April 24, 2025 03:28 PM (DrGpr)
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I don’t care about taxes on the rich. I am excited by the possibility of a tax cut that targets only the middle class.
Posted by: GrapeDrink at April 24, 2025 03:28 PM (ozeMD)
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I believe one should pay taxes on what you spend, not on what you earn.
Nurse, agree completely.
Nurse, agree completely.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at April 24, 2025 03:28 PM (XMwZJ)
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Class warfare is NOT a good model for a political movement. You won't like where it leads, and it's really fake anyway. The whole notion of simplified class systems is a paradigm of a "social construct." The reality is much more complicated.
Posted by: Eeyore at April 24, 2025 03:23 PM (1bNHn)
Very true.
But it's where we are now. You can fight or surrender.
Posted by: Eeyore at April 24, 2025 03:23 PM (1bNHn)
Very true.
But it's where we are now. You can fight or surrender.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at April 24, 2025 03:28 PM (N1tpc)
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20 No Tax On Tips, Overtime or Social Security = TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH!!!
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 24, 2025 03:26 PM (Vqx30)
My tips are buy low, sell high, and my Social Security is having my $Millions in good investments...
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 24, 2025 03:26 PM (Vqx30)
My tips are buy low, sell high, and my Social Security is having my $Millions in good investments...
Posted by: Thurston Howell III at April 24, 2025 03:28 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: zombie You Know Who at April 24, 2025 03:28 PM (HgMAr)
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Taxing the rich for income fails because they can afford to evade using legal loopholes . Taxing the poor fails because they don't have money. Any tax looking for revenue has to hit the middle class.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 24, 2025 03:29 PM (n7h9X)
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I’m still proponent of the Flat tax.
In regard to a consumption tax I always think back to Sam Walton and his old truck and middle class ranch style house. I would be paying more tax than he would. We also saw what the luxury tax increase did.
In regard to a consumption tax I always think back to Sam Walton and his old truck and middle class ranch style house. I would be paying more tax than he would. We also saw what the luxury tax increase did.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 03:29 PM (VofaG)
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>>>Do we want to drive away all old-school Republicans? Do we really want to completely swap the old Republican base for the old Democrat base?
That does seem to be the plan pushed by some.
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I look at it more as returning to the pre-cold war Republican party. So yes, we lose the neo-cons and some Rockefeller Republicans, but in exchange we get the union guys and the great unwashed masses of the middle class.
I think it's preferable to our current political landscape, frankly. And it's already moving in that direction bigly, whether we like it or not.
That does seem to be the plan pushed by some.
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I look at it more as returning to the pre-cold war Republican party. So yes, we lose the neo-cons and some Rockefeller Republicans, but in exchange we get the union guys and the great unwashed masses of the middle class.
I think it's preferable to our current political landscape, frankly. And it's already moving in that direction bigly, whether we like it or not.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 03:29 PM (uCjyK)
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10 I believe one should pay taxes on what you spend, not on what you earn.
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Yeah, me too. Let's get rid of planned obsolescence on the things we buy, too.
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Yeah, me too. Let's get rid of planned obsolescence on the things we buy, too.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 24, 2025 03:29 PM (pZ64F)
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I think “White House aides” has become a liberal media subterfuge meant to sow distrust and confusion.
Which is reason 5,738 why the entire MSM should be thrown into the lake of fire.
Which is reason 5,738 why the entire MSM should be thrown into the lake of fire.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 24, 2025 03:29 PM (RYTCQ)
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>Media Claims That Trump Backs Tax Hike on Millionaires as Part of His "Big Beautiful Tax Bill;" Trump Says "No, I Don't"
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district judge rules, 'yeah, ya do'
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district judge rules, 'yeah, ya do'
Posted by: Don Black at April 24, 2025 03:29 PM (AOsQT)
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There wouldn't be nearly the class warfare if we taxed consumption instead of income.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 24, 2025 03:30 PM (lTGtQ)
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Is the India Pakistan war gping to be in hd?
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 24, 2025 03:30 PM (0Xu0D)
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I'm really tired of how our government is run by leaks. I went through seventh grade once, I don't need it now.
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Nothing really evolves past jr high. Add Boobs, chin whiskers, preferably not to the same person and you got DC.
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Nothing really evolves past jr high. Add Boobs, chin whiskers, preferably not to the same person and you got DC.
Posted by: Kilmars Uber services at April 24, 2025 03:30 PM (DrGpr)
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>>> 35
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Yeah, me too. Let's get rid of planned obsolescence on the things we buy, too.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 24, 2025 03:29 PM (pZ64F)
Whoever came up with THAT should have been punched in the face until they gave it up.
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Yeah, me too. Let's get rid of planned obsolescence on the things we buy, too.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 24, 2025 03:29 PM (pZ64F)
Whoever came up with THAT should have been punched in the face until they gave it up.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 24, 2025 03:30 PM (Vqx30)
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Well, the media assisted the ginning up of violence against Musk's Tesla biz, so perpetually passing bullshit stories about Trump pretty much checks out as another Democrat op.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 24, 2025 03:30 PM (Q4IgG)
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For the record, I don’t want higher taxes for the rich for no reason. But the reality is, only so big of a tax cut can be passed with a simple majority in the senate via reconciliation.
So who sees the cuts? Trump supporters that tend to be middle class, or the ultra wealthy entertainers , athletes and CEOs that seem uniformly Democrat ?
So who sees the cuts? Trump supporters that tend to be middle class, or the ultra wealthy entertainers , athletes and CEOs that seem uniformly Democrat ?
Posted by: Maroon at April 24, 2025 03:31 PM (lVKJi)
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I keep hearing time and time again that this is good pr to tax the rich. I say that's bullshit because he'll never get credit for a single good thing by the press. Might as well not and keep demanding cuts and cuts to the pentagon until they can pass an audit. Funny that they could always find more money for Ukraine due to accounting errors though.
Posted by: ryukyu at April 24, 2025 03:31 PM (r+m2N)
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Some people just make shit up.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 24, 2025 03:31 PM (oXfCm)
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Old Communists still cry out Class Warfare, but that is old school but still is a weak argument today.
Posted by: Skip at April 24, 2025 03:31 PM (ypFCm)
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41 >>> 35
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Yeah, me too. Let's get rid of planned obsolescence on the things we buy, too.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 24, 2025 03:29 PM (pZ64F)
Whoever came up with THAT should have been punched in the face until they gave it up.
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Can you say FDR?
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Yeah, me too. Let's get rid of planned obsolescence on the things we buy, too.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 24, 2025 03:29 PM (pZ64F)
Whoever came up with THAT should have been punched in the face until they gave it up.
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Can you say FDR?
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 24, 2025 03:32 PM (pZ64F)
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A modest proposal: tax everybody, including especially the 47% who don't pay squat. I don't care if a vagrant collects aluminum cans for a living, we want 10% of those cans.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2025 03:32 PM (YqDXo)
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As a practical matter, $100M would be a better line to draw. I don't want to increase the tax on small business owners.
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 03:32 PM (jc0TO)
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39 Is the India Pakistan war gping to be in hd?
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 24, 2025 03:30 PM (0Xu0D)
Yes, but it will be very glitchy and intermittent.
You know, due to their lack of infrastructure and constant rolling blackouts.
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 24, 2025 03:30 PM (0Xu0D)
Yes, but it will be very glitchy and intermittent.
You know, due to their lack of infrastructure and constant rolling blackouts.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 03:33 PM (uCjyK)
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Is the India Pakistan war gping to be in hd?
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 24, 2025 03:30 PM (0Xu0D)
Depends on how quickly nuclear weapons or powerplants go up.
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 24, 2025 03:30 PM (0Xu0D)
Depends on how quickly nuclear weapons or powerplants go up.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 24, 2025 03:33 PM (VNX3d)
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49 As a practical matter, $100M would be a better line to draw. I don't want to increase the tax on small business owners.
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 03:32 PM (jc0TO)
What does the Gov't define as small?
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 03:32 PM (jc0TO)
What does the Gov't define as small?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 24, 2025 03:33 PM (ynpvh)
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"White House aides" floated the idea of creating a new highest income tax bracket for the wealthiest tax payers of something like 38%.
If we can't control the IRS anymore, we must get rid of it!
(Ed. note: your offer is accepted)
If we can't control the IRS anymore, we must get rid of it!
(Ed. note: your offer is accepted)
Posted by: Leftist Billionaires at April 24, 2025 03:33 PM (KtPtl)
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Old Communists still cry out Class Warfare, but that is old school but still is a weak argument today.
Posted by: Skip at April 24, 2025 03:31 PM (ypFCm)
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Pushing racial and perversion crap has replaced class warfare.
Posted by: Skip at April 24, 2025 03:31 PM (ypFCm)
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Pushing racial and perversion crap has replaced class warfare.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2025 03:33 PM (YqDXo)
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modest proposal: tax everybody, including especially the 47% who don't pay squat. I don't care if a vagrant collects aluminum cans for a living, we want 10% of those cans.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2025 03:32 PM (YqDXo)
I’m on that ship . Progressive tax is commie.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2025 03:32 PM (YqDXo)
I’m on that ship . Progressive tax is commie.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 03:33 PM (VofaG)
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I think a more just punishment for the rich lefties is to remove tax deductions from their favorite ngos and Ivy schools.
Plus ban any foundation from employing relatives of the donor if they want to keep non profit status.
No tax deductions on donations of fine art and other collectibles used to launder money as well or you use the original value paid for that item as the basis for the deduction.
Plus ban any foundation from employing relatives of the donor if they want to keep non profit status.
No tax deductions on donations of fine art and other collectibles used to launder money as well or you use the original value paid for that item as the basis for the deduction.
Posted by: DNC at April 24, 2025 03:33 PM (ctrM5)
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Oh, the rich needs to pay their share is so lame and hoping poor gets behind them.
Posted by: Skip at April 24, 2025 03:33 PM (ypFCm)
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48 A modest proposal: tax everybody, including especially the 47% who don't pay squat. I don't care if a vagrant collects aluminum cans for a living, we want 10% of those cans.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2025 03:32 PM (YqDXo)
$20, same as in town
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2025 03:32 PM (YqDXo)
$20, same as in town
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 24, 2025 03:33 PM (ynpvh)
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Fake but accurate.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 24, 2025 03:33 PM (e5NfL)
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Y know we wouldn't have to worry about whose income was getting taxed fairly enough, if we didn't have an income tax.
And while we're at it, I would like Social Security taxes to go into a lock box, and gas taxes to only be used to pay for maintenance, repairs, and new construction for roads and bridges.
I'd ask for a pony too, but the only place I have to keep it has cougars and bears.
And while we're at it, I would like Social Security taxes to go into a lock box, and gas taxes to only be used to pay for maintenance, repairs, and new construction for roads and bridges.
I'd ask for a pony too, but the only place I have to keep it has cougars and bears.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at April 24, 2025 03:34 PM (hB7mE)
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 24, 2025 03:34 PM (/U5Yz)
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If you are a taxpayer, you have skin in the game and you care about spending. When you don't have skin in the game you don't care about spending. You aren't paying....
Posted by: Kilmars Uber services at April 24, 2025 03:34 PM (DrGpr)
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Im out of Chatdonnay
Posted by: Deplorable Minion at April 24, 2025 03:20 PM (QSrLX)
Just a comment here: "Chateau Maison" does not mean "house cat water" even though some vintages are reminiscent.
Posted by: Deplorable Minion at April 24, 2025 03:20 PM (QSrLX)
Just a comment here: "Chateau Maison" does not mean "house cat water" even though some vintages are reminiscent.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 24, 2025 03:34 PM (D7oie)
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61 39 Is the India Pakistan war gping to be in hd?
Posted by: Boss Moss
4K
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 24, 2025 03:34 PM (/U5Yz)
Yeah, too early for 8K.
Posted by: Boss Moss
4K
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 24, 2025 03:34 PM (/U5Yz)
Yeah, too early for 8K.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 24, 2025 03:34 PM (ynpvh)
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A consumer tax includes that 47% that don't pay any tax.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 24, 2025 03:34 PM (oXfCm)
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49 As a practical matter, $100M would be a better line to draw. I don't want to increase the tax on small business owners.
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 03:32 PM (jc0TO)
Is it really a small business if after all expenses and deductions, the owner is bringing in over $1 million in profit on his personal tax returns?
And even if it is, is a 2% higher marginal rate on the money for $1 million really a hill to die on?
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 03:32 PM (jc0TO)
Is it really a small business if after all expenses and deductions, the owner is bringing in over $1 million in profit on his personal tax returns?
And even if it is, is a 2% higher marginal rate on the money for $1 million really a hill to die on?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 03:35 PM (uCjyK)
Posted by: Don Black at April 24, 2025 03:35 PM (AOsQT)
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What does the Gov't define as small?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)
Not big enough to buy a Senator.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)
Not big enough to buy a Senator.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at April 24, 2025 03:35 PM (hB7mE)
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Is the India Pakistan war gping to be in hd?
It won't matter as we'll barely be able to understand "Kevin from Bangalore"
It won't matter as we'll barely be able to understand "Kevin from Bangalore"
Posted by: t-bird at April 24, 2025 03:35 PM (uREkD)
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Once High Speed Trains are a thing everything will be better.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 24, 2025 03:35 PM (pZ64F)
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"I don't know if support that or oppose it. I'm always against taxing "The rich" more, as they already pay the bulk of taxes."
The problem with that is the more you tax the *rich* the definition of what rich is keeps getting lowered until the middle class gets sucked into being *rich*.
The problem with that is the more you tax the *rich* the definition of what rich is keeps getting lowered until the middle class gets sucked into being *rich*.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 24, 2025 03:35 PM (e5NfL)
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One of the changes in my thinking over the last half century is that I now think that it is possible for someone to be too rich in a Republic, even if honestly earned. Something I would never have imagined myself thinking in say, 1970.
I can't tell you where that line is but, when a person has more wealth than entire countries, they will corrupt the system, if only in self-defense.
I can't tell you where that line is but, when a person has more wealth than entire countries, they will corrupt the system, if only in self-defense.
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 03:36 PM (jc0TO)
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70 Once High Speed Trains are a thing everything will be better.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 24, 2025 03:35 PM (pZ64F)
Powered by fusion energy.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 24, 2025 03:35 PM (pZ64F)
Powered by fusion energy.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 24, 2025 03:36 PM (ynpvh)
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Taxing the rich for income fails because they can afford to evade using legal loopholes . Taxing the poor fails because they don't have money. Any tax looking for revenue has to hit the middle class.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 24, 2025 03:29 PM (n7h9X)
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Sadly, too true.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 24, 2025 03:29 PM (n7h9X)
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Sadly, too true.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2025 03:36 PM (YqDXo)
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Alpaca farming for the win....
Posted by: Richie Rich the laundering king at April 24, 2025 03:36 PM (DrGpr)
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Do not have Pak/ India War on my bingo card
Posted by: Ben Had at April 24, 2025 03:36 PM (oXfCm)
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Is the India Pakistan war gping to be in hd?
Posted by: Boss Moss
I predict a discouraging lack of dance numbers.
Posted by: Boss Moss
I predict a discouraging lack of dance numbers.
Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum at April 24, 2025 03:36 PM (OUMaO)
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And even if it is, is a 2% higher marginal rate on the money for $1 million really a hill to die on?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
The intent of the leak probably isn’t revenue based
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
The intent of the leak probably isn’t revenue based
Posted by: Kratwurst at April 24, 2025 03:36 PM (nIRE6)
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75 Alpaca farming for the win....
Posted by: Richie Rich the laundering king at April 24, 2025 03:36 PM (DrGpr)
I spit on that.
Posted by: Richie Rich the laundering king at April 24, 2025 03:36 PM (DrGpr)
I spit on that.
Posted by: Llamas and Camels at April 24, 2025 03:36 PM (ynpvh)
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Trump's the modern day Robin Hood.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (/U5Yz)
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Make a new tax bracket for over $10 million. That takes all the small business owners and working rich types out of it.
Capital gains can stay the same.
So now it’s only people being paid a salary of over $10 million. Very small group and I bet is skews Dem 5-1.
Plus good optics that Dems voted against a tax increase for people making over $10 million
Capital gains can stay the same.
So now it’s only people being paid a salary of over $10 million. Very small group and I bet is skews Dem 5-1.
Plus good optics that Dems voted against a tax increase for people making over $10 million
Posted by: Maroon at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (lVKJi)
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Why don’t you Americans just kill all rich people? I did and things turned out great in my country.
Posted by: Mao at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (8jn+t)
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Trump is planning to fund the country via energy and growth. This is all just distraction and bs.
Posted by: ... at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (sBjls)
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The problem with that is the more you tax the *rich* the definition of what rich is keeps getting lowered until the middle class gets sucked into being *rich*.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 24, 2025 03:35 PM (e5NfL)
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The Reds consider anyone who pays any taxes is rich, by definition, since half of the country doesn't pay squat.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 24, 2025 03:35 PM (e5NfL)
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The Reds consider anyone who pays any taxes is rich, by definition, since half of the country doesn't pay squat.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (YqDXo)
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I’m still proponent of the Flat tax.
In regard to a consumption tax I always think back to Sam Walton and his old truck and middle class ranch style house. I would be paying more tax than he would. We also saw what the luxury tax increase did.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 03:29 PM (VofaG)
I have a better idea, a direct tax like income or sales changes the relationship of the people to its government from one of "need their support and votes" to "tax cattle", so the best way to both fund the government and get it to the point that it works to diminish chaos, violence and increases protections on all levels, lets move to a general flat-excise on imports. Say, 10% on all trading partners unless they are being shitheels about things.
In regard to a consumption tax I always think back to Sam Walton and his old truck and middle class ranch style house. I would be paying more tax than he would. We also saw what the luxury tax increase did.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 03:29 PM (VofaG)
I have a better idea, a direct tax like income or sales changes the relationship of the people to its government from one of "need their support and votes" to "tax cattle", so the best way to both fund the government and get it to the point that it works to diminish chaos, violence and increases protections on all levels, lets move to a general flat-excise on imports. Say, 10% on all trading partners unless they are being shitheels about things.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (D7oie)
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Taxing the rich for income fails because they can afford to evade using legal loopholes . Taxing the poor fails because they don't have money. Any tax looking for revenue has to hit the middle class.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 24, 2025 03:29 PM (n7h9X)
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Sadly, too true.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2025 03:36 PM (YqDXo)
The flat tax would eliminate those loopholes .
Posted by: Oldcat at April 24, 2025 03:29 PM (n7h9X)
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Sadly, too true.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2025 03:36 PM (YqDXo)
The flat tax would eliminate those loopholes .
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (VofaG)
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82 Why don’t you Americans just kill all rich people? I did and things turned out great in my country.
Posted by: Mao at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (8jn+t)
There were more than 100 million rich people in China at the time?
Posted by: Mao at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (8jn+t)
There were more than 100 million rich people in China at the time?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (ynpvh)
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If I remember correctly India has a bunch of SU29’s and 30’s. Some of the older French Rafael’s and some Jaguars. I think the Pakis still
Have some F16’s and some older Chinese stuff. So it’s going to be like watching a 1980’s vintage air show.
Have some F16’s and some older Chinese stuff. So it’s going to be like watching a 1980’s vintage air show.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (RYTCQ)
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75 Alpaca farming for the win....
Posted by: Richie Rich the laundering king a[/i
Useless trivia: Alpaca fur is called fiber.
Posted by: Richie Rich the laundering king a[/i
Useless trivia: Alpaca fur is called fiber.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 24, 2025 03:38 PM (/U5Yz)
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82 Why don’t you Americans just kill all rich people? I did and things turned out great in my country.
Posted by: Mao at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (8jn+t)
There were more than 100 million rich people in China at the time?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (ynpvh)
He had poor aim.
Posted by: Mao at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (8jn+t)
There were more than 100 million rich people in China at the time?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (ynpvh)
He had poor aim.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 24, 2025 03:39 PM (n7h9X)
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Taxes at the federal level are not used for this or that they are in place to punish they and them. Speaking of which, the taxes on trannys, shemales, lady bois, homosexuals and other sexually disordered perverts should be raised 100%.
Watch them disappear over night into the glory hole never to be seen again.
Watch them disappear over night into the glory hole never to be seen again.
Posted by: Francis at April 24, 2025 03:39 PM (+8MS3)
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88 If I remember correctly India has a bunch of SU29’s and 30’s. Some of the older French Rafael’s and some Jaguars. I think the Pakis still
Have some F16’s and some older Chinese stuff. So it’s going to be like watching a 1980’s vintage air show.
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Take No Prisoners!
Have some F16’s and some older Chinese stuff. So it’s going to be like watching a 1980’s vintage air show.
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Take No Prisoners!
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 24, 2025 03:39 PM (pZ64F)
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Plus good optics that Dems voted against a tax increase for people making over $10 million
Posted by: Maroon at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (lVKJi)
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2025: $10 million
2030: $1 million
2035: $10,000
Posted by: Maroon at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (lVKJi)
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2025: $10 million
2030: $1 million
2035: $10,000
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2025 03:39 PM (YqDXo)
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Trump's the modern day Robin Hood.
Posted by: Maj. Healey
Taking from an abusive government to return wealth to the people? That tracks.
Posted by: Maj. Healey
Taking from an abusive government to return wealth to the people? That tracks.
Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum at April 24, 2025 03:39 PM (OUMaO)
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They're all movie threads.
Disney’s Latest ‘Star Wars’ Spin-Off Depicts Rape of ‘Undocumented Migrant’ by Imperial Officer
Disney stepping on their woke rake again.
Posted by: Maj. Healey
Disney being Disney.
The Hollywood Reporter@THR
'Andor' Creator Explains That Shocking Assault Scene: "We're All the Product of Rape"
Disney’s Latest ‘Star Wars’ Spin-Off Depicts Rape of ‘Undocumented Migrant’ by Imperial Officer
Disney stepping on their woke rake again.
Posted by: Maj. Healey
Disney being Disney.
The Hollywood Reporter@THR
'Andor' Creator Explains That Shocking Assault Scene: "We're All the Product of Rape"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 24, 2025 03:39 PM (L/fGl)
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81 Make a new tax bracket for over $10 million. That takes all the small business owners and working rich types out of it.
Capital gains can stay the same.
So now it’s only people being paid a salary of over $10 million. Very small group and I bet is skews Dem 5-1.
Plus good optics that Dems voted against a tax increase for people making over $10 million
Posted by: Maroon at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (lVKJi)
No, because it is immoral to punish people for being successful. I despise this “punish the successful” argument.
What next, kill the top 10% of graduating classes?
Capital gains can stay the same.
So now it’s only people being paid a salary of over $10 million. Very small group and I bet is skews Dem 5-1.
Plus good optics that Dems voted against a tax increase for people making over $10 million
Posted by: Maroon at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (lVKJi)
No, because it is immoral to punish people for being successful. I despise this “punish the successful” argument.
What next, kill the top 10% of graduating classes?
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 24, 2025 03:39 PM (8jn+t)
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There were more than 100 million rich people in China at the time?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)
To be fair, he didn’t say only the rich people.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)
To be fair, he didn’t say only the rich people.
Posted by: Kratwurst at April 24, 2025 03:39 PM (nIRE6)
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As it turns out, certain foreign companies are sending emails to their US purchasers warning them that they will have to pay tariffs on whatever they've ordered from the foreign country.
And also that if their stuff gets stuck in customs they'll still have to pay the rest of the purchase price even if they never get their stuff because it's in customs.
Who do I contact to report such companies for interference in American politics, scaremongering and disinformation?
And also that if their stuff gets stuck in customs they'll still have to pay the rest of the purchase price even if they never get their stuff because it's in customs.
Who do I contact to report such companies for interference in American politics, scaremongering and disinformation?
Posted by: FeatherBlade at April 24, 2025 03:39 PM (hB7mE)
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There were more than 100 million rich people in China at the time?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (ynpvh)
Go to Xinjiang Province and fix tractors.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (ynpvh)
Go to Xinjiang Province and fix tractors.
Posted by: Mao at April 24, 2025 03:40 PM (8jn+t)
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I hate the whole concept of a progressive tax. Tax everyone the same rate, say 10% as an example.
Ten percent of $1 million is more than 10% of $100,000. The “rich” would still be paying more.
Ten percent of $1 million is more than 10% of $100,000. The “rich” would still be paying more.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at April 24, 2025 03:41 PM (+K1xO)
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How do you tell Indian soldiers and Pakistani soldiers apart?
Posted by: wth at April 24, 2025 03:41 PM (HgMAr)
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The flat tax would eliminate those loopholes .
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (VofaG)
They're not really "loopholes."
It's just how you structure your money.
If you're Elon Musk rich, you can decide to pay yourself $50k a year and pay almost no taxes. You run all of your major lifestyle things (security, private jet, etc.) through one of your many businesses (where they are now considered a deductible expense, not income), and if you want to buy a new yacht or spend money on something that clearly isn't a business expense, you walk down to Chase bank and take out a loan against your shares in Twitter, buy whatever you want, and pay the back from your $50k salary. No income there either.
None of those are loopholes, it's just ... how you structure your money / income. There are entire law firms and personal money managers who spend their lives coming up with these alternative structures.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (VofaG)
They're not really "loopholes."
It's just how you structure your money.
If you're Elon Musk rich, you can decide to pay yourself $50k a year and pay almost no taxes. You run all of your major lifestyle things (security, private jet, etc.) through one of your many businesses (where they are now considered a deductible expense, not income), and if you want to buy a new yacht or spend money on something that clearly isn't a business expense, you walk down to Chase bank and take out a loan against your shares in Twitter, buy whatever you want, and pay the back from your $50k salary. No income there either.
None of those are loopholes, it's just ... how you structure your money / income. There are entire law firms and personal money managers who spend their lives coming up with these alternative structures.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 03:41 PM (uCjyK)
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The Hollywood Reporter@THR
'Andor' Creator Explains That Shocking Assault Scene: "We're All the Product of Rape"
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Liberals and their love of rape. It's like that guy on blazing saddles...or dolphins... it always on their minds....
'Andor' Creator Explains That Shocking Assault Scene: "We're All the Product of Rape"
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Liberals and their love of rape. It's like that guy on blazing saddles...or dolphins... it always on their minds....
Posted by: Richie Rich the laundering king at April 24, 2025 03:41 PM (DrGpr)
Posted by: Mao at April 24, 2025 03:41 PM (8jn+t)
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>> There were more than 100 million rich people in China at the time?
You. Fat man. No soup for you.
You. Fat man. No soup for you.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 24, 2025 03:41 PM (RYTCQ)
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101 How do you tell Indian soldiers and Pakistani soldiers apart?
Posted by: wth
The Indians are the ones swinging tomahawks.
Posted by: wth
The Indians are the ones swinging tomahawks.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 24, 2025 03:42 PM (/U5Yz)
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The Hollywood Reporter@THR
'Andor' Creator Explains That Shocking Assault Scene: "We're All the Product of Rape"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 24, 2025 03:39 PM (L/fGl)
Even when they try and be edgy they are plagiarizing. That all rape crap has to be 30 years old.
'Andor' Creator Explains That Shocking Assault Scene: "We're All the Product of Rape"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 24, 2025 03:39 PM (L/fGl)
Even when they try and be edgy they are plagiarizing. That all rape crap has to be 30 years old.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 24, 2025 03:42 PM (n7h9X)
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Every time they tax the rich, turns I'm rich! I'd never know it otherwise.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 24, 2025 03:42 PM (L/fGl)
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101 How do you tell Indian soldiers and Pakistani soldiers apart?
Posted by: wth at April 24, 2025 03:41 PM (HgMAr)
you watch if they turn towards Mecca 5 times a day or not.
Posted by: wth at April 24, 2025 03:41 PM (HgMAr)
you watch if they turn towards Mecca 5 times a day or not.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 03:42 PM (uCjyK)
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Remember the left’s definition of rich were households making 250k .
That brought in a household of an overland truck driver and OR Nurse.
That brought in a household of an overland truck driver and OR Nurse.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 03:42 PM (VofaG)
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We already have consumption tax, it's called a sales tax. And depending on your location it can be pretty hefty. And what do people do? they leave and consume elsewhere.
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 03:42 PM (g47mK)
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100 I hate the whole concept of a progressive tax. Tax everyone the same rate, say 10% as an example.
Ten percent of $1 million is more than 10% of $100,000. The “rich” would still be paying more.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at April 24, 2025 03:41 PM (+K1xO)
This, 1000%
Ten percent of $1 million is more than 10% of $100,000. The “rich” would still be paying more.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at April 24, 2025 03:41 PM (+K1xO)
This, 1000%
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 24, 2025 03:42 PM (8jn+t)
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2025: $10 million
2030: $1 million
2035: $10,000
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2025 03:39 PM (YqDXo)
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"The Green New Alternative Minimum Tax."
2030: $1 million
2035: $10,000
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2025 03:39 PM (YqDXo)
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"The Green New Alternative Minimum Tax."
Posted by: ShainS at April 24, 2025 03:42 PM (hWIBJ)
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Willowed but sort of important in the psy-op war they've been engaging in against us
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When did teachers become "educators"?
Posted by: ... at April 24, 2025 02:58 PM (sBjls)
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This was a purposeful muddying of the waters to disguise how many useless non teacher admin staff were raking in $60k+ and full benefits after retirement.
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When did teachers become "educators"?
Posted by: ... at April 24, 2025 02:58 PM (sBjls)
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This was a purposeful muddying of the waters to disguise how many useless non teacher admin staff were raking in $60k+ and full benefits after retirement.
Posted by: Boron Quidquid - you realize Darwin disproved evolution, right? at April 24, 2025 03:42 PM (5IqhH)
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Go to Xinjiang Province and fix tractors.
Posted by: Mao
Xinjiang is where the slave labor camps are.
Posted by: Mao
Xinjiang is where the slave labor camps are.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 24, 2025 03:42 PM (lTGtQ)
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lol. You’re doubting on Congress to create a flat tax? Indexed to inflation, able to be increased with a simple majority, loopholes galore, etc. lol. They’ll have you begging for the current abomination.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 24, 2025 03:43 PM (RYTCQ)
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Tax everyone the same rate, say 10% as an example.
If it's enough for the Lord, it's more than enough for the State.
If it's enough for the Lord, it's more than enough for the State.
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 03:43 PM (jc0TO)
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No, because it is immoral to punish people for being successful. I despise this “punish the successful” argument.
What next, kill the top 10% of graduating classes?
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 24, 2025 03:39 PM (8jn+t)
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Snort, “successful”.
No, because it is immoral to punish people for being successful. I despise this “punish the successful” argument.
What next, kill the top 10% of graduating classes?
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 24, 2025 03:39 PM (8jn+t)
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Snort, “successful”.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 24, 2025 03:43 PM (Vh9CX)
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Taxing a group because "they keep voting for Democrats" is not a good reason.
High income tax on the rich just leads to more shelters and avoidance. They will not pay it.
Artie Laffer instructs that 38% is too high and will increase distortion and decrease compliance. This is stupid and won't work. Everyone knows that. Decrease the loopholes.
High income tax on the rich just leads to more shelters and avoidance. They will not pay it.
Artie Laffer instructs that 38% is too high and will increase distortion and decrease compliance. This is stupid and won't work. Everyone knows that. Decrease the loopholes.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 24, 2025 03:43 PM (06XVj)
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I don't know if support that or oppose it. I'm always against taxing "The rich" more, as they already pay the bulk of taxes.
But then, the rich keep voting for Democrats and keep voting against America and against American citizens, so sometimes I think: You want Democrat levels of taxation? You got it.
The idle rich are mostly Democrats, the new rich (small business owners ) are mostly Republicans.
So generally income taxes hit Republicans more since they have companies making, well, income.
Democrats have their money in various tax hedges that was originally earned years ago so a general wealth taxes scares them.
Not that I am endorsing any tax increase here - but specifically income taxes are something we should generally oppose. Now...mortgage cap deductions? Hell yeah. And removing the tax free status of NGOs? YES YES YES
But then, the rich keep voting for Democrats and keep voting against America and against American citizens, so sometimes I think: You want Democrat levels of taxation? You got it.
The idle rich are mostly Democrats, the new rich (small business owners ) are mostly Republicans.
So generally income taxes hit Republicans more since they have companies making, well, income.
Democrats have their money in various tax hedges that was originally earned years ago so a general wealth taxes scares them.
Not that I am endorsing any tax increase here - but specifically income taxes are something we should generally oppose. Now...mortgage cap deductions? Hell yeah. And removing the tax free status of NGOs? YES YES YES
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 03:43 PM (t0Rmr)
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Is the India Pakistan war gping to be in hd?
Posted by: Boss Moss
I predict a discouraging lack of dance numbers.
Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum
.....
especially on the Paki side.
Posted by: Boss Moss
I predict a discouraging lack of dance numbers.
Posted by: Brother Tim (102mm/W59), Keeper of the Tim Continuum
.....
especially on the Paki side.
Posted by: wth at April 24, 2025 03:44 PM (HgMAr)
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There were more than 100 million rich people in China at the time?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (ynpvh)
Go to Xinjiang Province and fix tractors.
Posted by: Mao at April 24, 2025 03:40 PM (8jn+t)
Mao needs to be a recurring character.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (ynpvh)
Go to Xinjiang Province and fix tractors.
Posted by: Mao at April 24, 2025 03:40 PM (8jn+t)
Mao needs to be a recurring character.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 24, 2025 03:44 PM (n7h9X)
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How do you tell Indian soldiers and Pakistani soldiers apart?
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I assume by where they deficate.
Do Pakis also have a street tradition?
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I assume by where they deficate.
Do Pakis also have a street tradition?
Posted by: Boron Quidquid - you realize Darwin disproved evolution, right? at April 24, 2025 03:44 PM (5IqhH)
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Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 03:41 PM (uCjyK)
What part of the flat tax plan don’t you understand? I assume pretty much all of it.
What part of the flat tax plan don’t you understand? I assume pretty much all of it.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 03:44 PM (VofaG)
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If you're Elon Musk rich, you can decide to pay yourself $50k a year and pay almost no taxes. You run all of your major lifestyle things (security, private jet, etc.) through one of your many businesses (where they are now considered a deductible expense, not income), and if you want to buy a new yacht or spend money on something that clearly isn't a business expense, you walk down to Chase bank and take out a loan against your shares in Twitter, buy whatever you want, and pay the back from your $50k salary. No income there either.
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Owning a business and understanding the tax laws can be very lucrative. You like to go to Florida on vacation. You open a branch in Florida.. business. Buys a condo, and pays for your periodic visits to oversee operations.... etc etc.
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Owning a business and understanding the tax laws can be very lucrative. You like to go to Florida on vacation. You open a branch in Florida.. business. Buys a condo, and pays for your periodic visits to oversee operations.... etc etc.
Posted by: Richie Rich the laundering king at April 24, 2025 03:44 PM (DrGpr)
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How do you tell Indian soldiers and Pakistani soldiers apart?
Posted by: wth at April 24, 2025 03:41 PM (HgMAr)
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The Indians have pre-installed dot targets on their foreheads?
Posted by: wth at April 24, 2025 03:41 PM (HgMAr)
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The Indians have pre-installed dot targets on their foreheads?
Posted by: ShainS at April 24, 2025 03:45 PM (hWIBJ)
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How about we cut taxes for everyone?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 03:45 PM (/dDa4)
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I hate the whole concept of a progressive tax. Tax everyone the same rate, say 10% as an example.
TBH the only true fair tax is one flat rate paid by all households.
Yes that means FedGov would have to be reduced by a factor of 10X if not more which is not feasible right now
TBH the only true fair tax is one flat rate paid by all households.
Yes that means FedGov would have to be reduced by a factor of 10X if not more which is not feasible right now
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 03:45 PM (t0Rmr)
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Im out of Chardonnay
Posted by: Deplorable Minion at April 24, 2025 03:20 PM (QSrLX)
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Well, that's just fucking great! Now what are we supposed to do?
Posted by: Deplorable Minion at April 24, 2025 03:20 PM (QSrLX)
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Well, that's just fucking great! Now what are we supposed to do?
Posted by: Karen McAwfl at April 24, 2025 03:45 PM (2UnvF)
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How do you tell Indian soldiers and Pakistani soldiers apart?
Offer them hamburgers and hot dogs and see who picks which?
Offer them hamburgers and hot dogs and see who picks which?
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 03:46 PM (t0Rmr)
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The Guardian warns women about influencers who want to make them "thin, fertile, and Republican" 😂
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Holy shit! That'd be terrible! No more Whoppies! No more Okras!
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Holy shit! That'd be terrible! No more Whoppies! No more Okras!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 24, 2025 03:46 PM (L/fGl)
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50% excise tax on art purchases over $1000.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 24, 2025 03:46 PM (Vh9CX)
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112 100 I hate the whole concept of a progressive tax. Tax everyone the same rate, say 10% as an example.
Ten percent of $1 million is more than 10% of $100,000. The “rich” would still be paying more.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at April 24, 2025 03:41 PM (+K1xO)
This, 1000%
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 24, 2025 03:42 PM (8jn+t)
Flat tax does impact lower income households more than higher income. It’s something to consider.
Ten percent of $1 million is more than 10% of $100,000. The “rich” would still be paying more.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at April 24, 2025 03:41 PM (+K1xO)
This, 1000%
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 24, 2025 03:42 PM (8jn+t)
Flat tax does impact lower income households more than higher income. It’s something to consider.
Posted by: Piper at April 24, 2025 03:46 PM (p4NUW)
Posted by: Boron Quidquid - you realize Darwin disproved evolution, right? at April 24, 2025 03:46 PM (5IqhH)
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What part of the flat tax plan don’t you understand? I assume pretty much all of it.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 03:44 PM (VofaG)
Okay, I'll sum it up in smaller words for you: "there is nothing to tax if you don't pay yourself income."
So how is a flat tax going to change that?
Don't be so condescending, especially when you're wrong.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 03:44 PM (VofaG)
Okay, I'll sum it up in smaller words for you: "there is nothing to tax if you don't pay yourself income."
So how is a flat tax going to change that?
Don't be so condescending, especially when you're wrong.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 03:46 PM (uCjyK)
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We already have consumption tax, it's called a sales tax. And depending on your location it can be pretty hefty. And what do people do? they leave and consume elsewhere.
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 03:42 PM (g47mK)
And that's why Illinois had cops hanging out trying to catch people buying beer in Indiana.
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 03:42 PM (g47mK)
And that's why Illinois had cops hanging out trying to catch people buying beer in Indiana.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 24, 2025 03:46 PM (n7h9X)
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I do remember what year I was born. Sometimes I forget the year my son was born, and if I say to him that he's 24 he says indignantly, "I'm 25!." I should remember this. I was hoping and praying that he wouldn't be born slightly early, so thatwhen I was bleary and weary in the hospital someone would come into take my picture and a caption in the paper would read. "First baby born at _____ h0spital 2000" Thankfully, he waited until after January 1st.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 24, 2025 03:47 PM (42Vb+)
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I don't see this administration adding any new taxes for anyone...least of all those parties that represent the ownership class. The whole basis of the Trump economic approach is to revitalize industry within the country. You're not going to penalize the people that can make that happen.
Such a taxation limit expansion, diversification and start ups. That in turn would limit employment to make those potential entities a reality. And, thus would lower consumer confidence, which I will argue is likely one of the most important factors in a healthy country, and successful one.
Such a taxation limit expansion, diversification and start ups. That in turn would limit employment to make those potential entities a reality. And, thus would lower consumer confidence, which I will argue is likely one of the most important factors in a healthy country, and successful one.
Posted by: Orson at April 24, 2025 03:47 PM (dIske)
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Andor' Creator Explains That Shocking Assault scene " well someone's got to be doing the raping"
Posted by: Bernie Sanders masters thesis at April 24, 2025 03:47 PM (DrGpr)
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The Guardian warns women about influencers who want to make them "thin, fertile, and Republican" 😂
Remember ladies spending 50 hours or more in the office having meaningless sex with your coworkers while shit faced is the only way to have meaning in your lives...
Remember ladies spending 50 hours or more in the office having meaningless sex with your coworkers while shit faced is the only way to have meaning in your lives...
Posted by: The FNM at April 24, 2025 03:47 PM (t0Rmr)
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Iirc lower income households would continue paying nothing, same as now.
Although I'd be fine with them also no longer getting cash back.
Although I'd be fine with them also no longer getting cash back.
Posted by: Boron Quidquid - you realize Darwin disproved evolution, right? at April 24, 2025 03:47 PM (5IqhH)
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Obozo eviscerated the middle class and left us with a polarized country of taxpayers and gimme dats (which includes the government/NGO types who run the gimme gals).
He made us a house divided so that we will fall. We need two parent families, home owners, and people who want to build rather than tear those they envy down.
He made us a house divided so that we will fall. We need two parent families, home owners, and people who want to build rather than tear those they envy down.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at April 24, 2025 03:47 PM (wBaIH)
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We're All the Product of Rape"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 24, 2025 03:39 PM (L/fGl
I think my edge just lorded for the last time.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 24, 2025 03:39 PM (L/fGl
I think my edge just lorded for the last time.
Posted by: ... at April 24, 2025 03:47 PM (sBjls)
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123 How do you tell Indian soldiers and Pakistani soldiers apart?
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I assume by where they deficate.
Do Pakis also have a street tradition?
Posted by: Boron Quidquid - you realize Darwin disproved evolution, right?
Never deficate upstream of where you are camped.
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I assume by where they deficate.
Do Pakis also have a street tradition?
Posted by: Boron Quidquid - you realize Darwin disproved evolution, right?
Never deficate upstream of where you are camped.
Posted by: Indian Commander at April 24, 2025 03:48 PM (/U5Yz)
Posted by: Government Employee #2,350,075 at April 24, 2025 03:48 PM (HgMAr)
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Tax university endowments first.
Posted by: jj at April 24, 2025 03:48 PM (tsB1T)
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Flat tax does impact lower income households more than higher income. It’s something to consider.
Posted by: Piper at April 24, 2025 03:46 PM (p4NUW)
If you drop everyone to 10%, everyone pays less. Except for the people paying less than 10% (or even getting money back.)
Posted by: Piper at April 24, 2025 03:46 PM (p4NUW)
If you drop everyone to 10%, everyone pays less. Except for the people paying less than 10% (or even getting money back.)
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 03:48 PM (/dDa4)
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Flat tax does impact lower income households more than higher income. It’s something to consider.
Posted by: Piper at April 24, 2025 03:46 PM
I would set the standard, really the only, deduction at some subsistence level. Of course, setting that level is when the fight starts.
Posted by: Piper at April 24, 2025 03:46 PM
I would set the standard, really the only, deduction at some subsistence level. Of course, setting that level is when the fight starts.
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 03:48 PM (jc0TO)
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Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 03:46 PM (uCjyK)
You deserve it. Not many on this site I don’t care for. Even the ones who don’t care for me.
You deserve it. Not many on this site I don’t care for. Even the ones who don’t care for me.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 03:48 PM (VofaG)
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95 They're all movie threads.
Disney’s Latest ‘Star Wars’ Spin-Off Depicts Rape of ‘Undocumented Migrant’ by Imperial Officer
Disney stepping on their woke rake again.
Posted by: Maj. Healey
Disney being Disney.
The Hollywood Reporter@THR
'Andor' Creator Explains That Shocking Assault Scene: "We're All the Product of Rape"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 24, 2025 03:39 PM (L/fGl)
Well, if there's one thing I want to see when I watch a PG space opera, it's definitely forced dickdowns. That was always my principal complaint with the originals. They go to all the trouble to put Leia in a spacewhore costume and no one even bothers to get her preggers against her will. I think I speak for the entire fandom when I say I want I Spit On Your Grave but with light sabers.
Disney’s Latest ‘Star Wars’ Spin-Off Depicts Rape of ‘Undocumented Migrant’ by Imperial Officer
Disney stepping on their woke rake again.
Posted by: Maj. Healey
Disney being Disney.
The Hollywood Reporter@THR
'Andor' Creator Explains That Shocking Assault Scene: "We're All the Product of Rape"
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 24, 2025 03:39 PM (L/fGl)
Well, if there's one thing I want to see when I watch a PG space opera, it's definitely forced dickdowns. That was always my principal complaint with the originals. They go to all the trouble to put Leia in a spacewhore costume and no one even bothers to get her preggers against her will. I think I speak for the entire fandom when I say I want I Spit On Your Grave but with light sabers.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 24, 2025 03:48 PM (XCUp7)
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I'd rather die than submit to a fat tax! Oh, you said flat tax. Nevermind.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 24, 2025 03:48 PM (L/fGl)
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I don’t want to punish the rich. I want to punish the oligarchs who have taken away my freedom, and would enslave us completely if they could.
And by punish, I don’t mean taxing them.
And by punish, I don’t mean taxing them.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2025 03:48 PM (ZT+59)
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Owning a business and understanding the tax laws can be very lucrative. You like to go to Florida on vacation. You open a branch in Florida.. business. Buys a condo, and pays for your periodic visits to oversee operations.... etc etc.
Posted by: Richie Rich the laundering king at April 24, 2025 03:44 PM (DrGpr)
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"You wanna launder & build mountains of stacks of meth profits cash in a self storage unit? Buy a car wash ..."
-- Saul Goodman, Esquire
Posted by: Richie Rich the laundering king at April 24, 2025 03:44 PM (DrGpr)
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"You wanna launder & build mountains of stacks of meth profits cash in a self storage unit? Buy a car wash ..."
-- Saul Goodman, Esquire
Posted by: ShainS at April 24, 2025 03:49 PM (Rp7n7)
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Flat tax does impact lower income households more than higher income. It’s something to consider.
You get less of what you penalize and more of what you subsidize.
Right now we penalize working, investing, and saving with our tax code.
I'd like to see the impact of doing the reverse for say 5-10 years.
Flat tax does impact lower income households more than higher income. It’s something to consider.
You get less of what you penalize and more of what you subsidize.
Right now we penalize working, investing, and saving with our tax code.
I'd like to see the impact of doing the reverse for say 5-10 years.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 03:49 PM (t0Rmr)
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I'm not sure that I'm all in for taxing the rich, though I suppose in a just world they totally deserve it.
Can't we just float a trial balloon for Pants Optional? See how that goes, then think about taxing the rich.
I'm not sure that I'm all in for taxing the rich, though I suppose in a just world they totally deserve it.
Can't we just float a trial balloon for Pants Optional? See how that goes, then think about taxing the rich.
Posted by: naturalfake at April 24, 2025 03:49 PM (iJfKG)
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You deserve it. Not many on this site I don’t care for. Even the ones who don’t care for me.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 03:48 PM (VofaG)
That pains me deeply.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 03:48 PM (VofaG)
That pains me deeply.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 03:49 PM (uCjyK)
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6 I feel the exact same way about taxing the millionaires. But I don't think this is the time to let them have it. Trump shouldn't increase taxes on anyone. The time to do it is the next time the Democrats have power. Democrats are always screeching about taxing the rich, but at the same time they wink at their multi-millionaire buddies and say don't worry, the GOP will never let it happen. So we get the worst of both worlds: we are seen as the plutocrats protecting the rich, while at the same time we are really just helping Democrats. Let the Democrats raise taxes on their rich buddies, don't be the one to do it.
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Exactly. They're not being sincere when they call for taxing the rich. Call their bluff.
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Exactly. They're not being sincere when they call for taxing the rich. Call their bluff.
Posted by: Evil Incarnate at April 24, 2025 03:49 PM (YrqgQ)
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50% excise tax on art purchases over $1000.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 24, 2025 03:46 PM (Vh9CX)
And double if its ugly. As determined by random judgement on the internet.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 24, 2025 03:46 PM (Vh9CX)
And double if its ugly. As determined by random judgement on the internet.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 24, 2025 03:49 PM (n7h9X)
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>>Artie Laffer instructs that 38% is too high and will increase distortion and decrease compliance
Any percentage is straight up theft.
Not just of your money, but of your life.
Any percentage is straight up theft.
Not just of your money, but of your life.
Posted by: garrett at April 24, 2025 03:50 PM (F30Ty)
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Literally everyone but Trump:
Trump: how about higher taxes on incomes over $1 million?
The vibe is the country has given up on the income tax to fund the rotting husk of the state and will instead rely on counterfeiting. The price of gold is signaling the market's understanding of this being the plan.
Trump: how about higher taxes on incomes over $1 million?
The vibe is the country has given up on the income tax to fund the rotting husk of the state and will instead rely on counterfeiting. The price of gold is signaling the market's understanding of this being the plan.
Posted by: Oglebay at April 24, 2025 03:50 PM (2ap+5)
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Whatever happened to repeal of the 16th Amendment.
lunchbox Joe should not have to pay taxes on his hourly wage.
That literally takes food out of his kids mouth and shoes off their feet.
It's Passive - Aggressive government ...tax income then float $5k per baby reward.
How about ZERO income tax.
lunchbox Joe should not have to pay taxes on his hourly wage.
That literally takes food out of his kids mouth and shoes off their feet.
It's Passive - Aggressive government ...tax income then float $5k per baby reward.
How about ZERO income tax.
Posted by: torabora at April 24, 2025 03:50 PM (0Gnoc)
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Illegals are the definite top of the Stack now, no?
Trannies fall to #2 poor babies.
Muz are next up to take the lead.
Trannies fall to #2 poor babies.
Muz are next up to take the lead.
Posted by: ... at April 24, 2025 03:50 PM (sBjls)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 24, 2025 03:50 PM (L/fGl)
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Pay to play, baby. If you don't pay taxes, you don't get to vote because you have no skin in the game.
I live in a state without state income tax for a reason.
But I pay plenty in federal taxes because the cost of living is astronomical here compared to the Lower 48. We don't have interstates, so no money for roads from the feds, just a lot of greenie crap and then the lock up more of our resources because they think we are a National Park.
I understand the occasional push for secession.
I live in a state without state income tax for a reason.
But I pay plenty in federal taxes because the cost of living is astronomical here compared to the Lower 48. We don't have interstates, so no money for roads from the feds, just a lot of greenie crap and then the lock up more of our resources because they think we are a National Park.
I understand the occasional push for secession.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 24, 2025 03:52 PM (a4NoL)
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Disney’s Latest ‘Star Wars’ Spin-Off Depicts Rape of ‘Undocumented Migrant’ by Imperial Officer
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Did they realize what they did there?
An alien raping an innocent victim?
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Did they realize what they did there?
An alien raping an innocent victim?
Posted by: Boron Quidquid - you realize Darwin disproved evolution, right? at April 24, 2025 03:52 PM (5IqhH)
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think I speak for the entire fandom when I say I want I Spit On Your Grave but with light sabers.
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Nothing says Disney, like forced insemination!
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Nothing says Disney, like forced insemination!
Posted by: Walt Disney frozen head at April 24, 2025 03:52 PM (DrGpr)
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Okay, I'll sum it up in smaller words for you: "there is nothing to tax if you don't pay yourself income."
So how is a flat tax going to change that?
Don't be so condescending, especially when you're wrong.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 03:46 PM (uCjyK)
End the loopholes. For example, don’t let companies buy houses for CEOs so they can live off the business. Tax long-term and short-term cap gains at 10%. Kill the AMT. Tax corps and trusts at flat 15%, so people won’t use them as a tax dodge.
The current system is a mess, but let’s not pretend it can’t be reformed.
So how is a flat tax going to change that?
Don't be so condescending, especially when you're wrong.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 03:46 PM (uCjyK)
End the loopholes. For example, don’t let companies buy houses for CEOs so they can live off the business. Tax long-term and short-term cap gains at 10%. Kill the AMT. Tax corps and trusts at flat 15%, so people won’t use them as a tax dodge.
The current system is a mess, but let’s not pretend it can’t be reformed.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 03:53 PM (/dDa4)
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No taxes for men since we're subject to the draft.
Posted by: Boron Quidquid - you realize Darwin disproved evolution, right? at April 24, 2025 03:53 PM (5IqhH)
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No Representation Without Taxation was always the correct answer.
Posted by: garrett at April 24, 2025 03:53 PM (F30Ty)
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163 "We're All the Product of Rape"Never-ending.
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Well, I knew we were all bastards.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 24, 2025 03:50 PM (L/fGl)
My favorite statistic was that 1 in 4 women were raped in college. If that were true, why do parents keep sending their daughters to college? I'm beginning to think it is a feature and not a bug.
Or, you know, a bullshit lie.
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Well, I knew we were all bastards.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 24, 2025 03:50 PM (L/fGl)
My favorite statistic was that 1 in 4 women were raped in college. If that were true, why do parents keep sending their daughters to college? I'm beginning to think it is a feature and not a bug.
Or, you know, a bullshit lie.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 24, 2025 03:53 PM (a4NoL)
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Disney’s Latest ‘Star Wars’ Spin-Off Depicts Rape of ‘Undocumented Migrant’ by Imperial Officer
Doesn't the Empire at least nominally rule all inhabitanted planets?
But anyway, I thought rape was one of the ways real world illegals pay their coyotes ...
Doesn't the Empire at least nominally rule all inhabitanted planets?
But anyway, I thought rape was one of the ways real world illegals pay their coyotes ...
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 03:54 PM (t0Rmr)
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>> Pay to play, baby. If you don't pay taxes, you don't get to vote because you have no skin in the game.
Can we opt to not pay taxes if we forfeit our vote?
Can we opt to not pay taxes if we forfeit our vote?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 03:54 PM (/dDa4)
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It's Passive - Aggressive government ...tax income then float $5k per baby reward.
How about ZERO income tax.
Posted by: torabora at April 24, 2025 03:50 PM (0Gnoc)
Trump's floated that, too. If Tariffs work out it might not be needed. It wasn't for a century aside from wartime.
How about ZERO income tax.
Posted by: torabora at April 24, 2025 03:50 PM (0Gnoc)
Trump's floated that, too. If Tariffs work out it might not be needed. It wasn't for a century aside from wartime.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 24, 2025 03:55 PM (n7h9X)
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Governments were a "great" idea until they started taxing their citizens and going to war with each other.
Posted by: wth at April 24, 2025 03:55 PM (HgMAr)
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Trump doing an interview with Jeffrey Goldberg is stupid.
Trump better 1) get his own video transcript of the interview and 2) call Goldberg out to his face for all his lies.
Trump better 1) get his own video transcript of the interview and 2) call Goldberg out to his face for all his lies.
Posted by: Bitcoin Fixes Everything at April 24, 2025 03:55 PM (V6W16)
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I’d rather see a national sales tax and elimination of income tax.
I had a leftist tell me once that we just cannot do that because people can control how much they spend. That’s true…to a point.
You give people their entire paycheck, sans withholding, and human nature will kick in…. Spend spend spend.
Plus, everyone would pay something, citizens, noncitizens, foreign tourists, etc.
But we can’t have nice things.
I had a leftist tell me once that we just cannot do that because people can control how much they spend. That’s true…to a point.
You give people their entire paycheck, sans withholding, and human nature will kick in…. Spend spend spend.
Plus, everyone would pay something, citizens, noncitizens, foreign tourists, etc.
But we can’t have nice things.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at April 24, 2025 03:55 PM (+K1xO)
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Stupid ads keep hijacking the "jump to top" and "jump to bottom" links on the comment pages.
Posted by: Emmie celebrates the Audacity of Trump! at April 24, 2025 03:55 PM (Sf2cq)
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The Guardian warns women about influencers who want to make them "thin, fertile, and Republican"
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But a tranny influencer is ok ?
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But a tranny influencer is ok ?
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 03:55 PM (g47mK)
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Can we opt to not pay taxes if we forfeit our vote?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 03:54 PM (/dDa4)
Well, since it has been proved that most of our votes don't even get counted, I suppose that's one way to skin that particular cat.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 03:54 PM (/dDa4)
Well, since it has been proved that most of our votes don't even get counted, I suppose that's one way to skin that particular cat.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 24, 2025 03:55 PM (a4NoL)
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Disney’s Latest ‘Star Wars’ Spin-Off Depicts Rape of ‘Undocumented Migrant’ by Imperial Officer
Doesn't the Empire at least nominally rule all inhabitanted planets?
But anyway, I thought rape was one of the ways real world illegals pay their coyotes ...
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 03:54 PM (t0Rmr)
Star Wars' worldbuilding is so poor that's hard to answer.
Doesn't the Empire at least nominally rule all inhabitanted planets?
But anyway, I thought rape was one of the ways real world illegals pay their coyotes ...
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 03:54 PM (t0Rmr)
Star Wars' worldbuilding is so poor that's hard to answer.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 24, 2025 03:56 PM (n7h9X)
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But a tranny influencer is ok ?
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 03:55 PM (g47mK)
Sure. Cutting off your tits is much preferable to being married and having babies. Much.
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 03:55 PM (g47mK)
Sure. Cutting off your tits is much preferable to being married and having babies. Much.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 24, 2025 03:56 PM (a4NoL)
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>>End the loopholes. For example, don’t let companies buy houses for CEOs so they can live off the business. Tax long-term and short-term cap gains at 10%. Kill the AMT. Tax corps and trusts at flat 15%, so people won’t use them as a tax dodge.
I don't disagree with ANY of this...
however. Not a single fucking change until the Federal Government has been audited, adopts austerity and adopts a balanced budget amendment.
It's one thing to pay taxes for the benefit of Americans. What we have suffered for well over 50 years is the exact opposite of that.
I don't disagree with ANY of this...
however. Not a single fucking change until the Federal Government has been audited, adopts austerity and adopts a balanced budget amendment.
It's one thing to pay taxes for the benefit of Americans. What we have suffered for well over 50 years is the exact opposite of that.
Posted by: garrett at April 24, 2025 03:56 PM (F30Ty)
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112 100 I hate the whole concept of a progressive tax. Tax everyone the same rate, say 10% as an example.
Ten percent of $1 million is more than 10% of $100,000. The “rich” would still be paying more.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at April 24, 2025 03:41 PM (+K1xO)
This, 1000%
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 24, 2025 03:42 PM (8jn+t)
Thought it was just me.
Ten percent of $1 million is more than 10% of $100,000. The “rich” would still be paying more.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at April 24, 2025 03:41 PM (+K1xO)
This, 1000%
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 24, 2025 03:42 PM (8jn+t)
Thought it was just me.
Posted by: Piper at April 24, 2025 03:56 PM (p4NUW)
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The Guardian warns women about influencers who want to make them "thin, fertile, and Republican"
Remember adult women that see advice to do something can get tricked into making bad choices that they wouldn't otherwise make,
But giving school children constant tranny propaganda obviously has not effect on them
Remember adult women that see advice to do something can get tricked into making bad choices that they wouldn't otherwise make,
But giving school children constant tranny propaganda obviously has not effect on them
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 03:56 PM (t0Rmr)
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Why don't we see if another country would be willing to provide all federal government services, entitlements, etc., for less money? If the ChiComs can do it cheaper, let's give them a shot.
Posted by: Oglebay at April 24, 2025 03:57 PM (2ap+5)
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Without income tax we would have much less of your money to spend?
Posted by: GOP at April 24, 2025 03:57 PM (/U5Yz)
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I want someone to love me as much as democrats love human trafficking and murderous gang members.
Posted by: Cray Cray at April 24, 2025 03:57 PM (gsgWV)
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My favorite statistic was that 1 in 4 women were raped in college. If that were true, why do parents keep sending their daughters to college? I'm beginning to think it is a feature and not a bug.
Or, you know, a bullshit lie.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 24, 2025 03:53 PM (a4NoL)
I'm gonna go with bullshit lie. The real story on that is a questionnaire given to a statistically insignificant number of coeds with a bunch of questions on it that if any were answered "yes" it was counted as rape. And they were diluted down so far as to make the term "rape" nearly meaningless. Which one would think would piss off actual rape victims.
My favorite statistic was that 1 in 4 women were raped in college. If that were true, why do parents keep sending their daughters to college? I'm beginning to think it is a feature and not a bug.
Or, you know, a bullshit lie.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 24, 2025 03:53 PM (a4NoL)
I'm gonna go with bullshit lie. The real story on that is a questionnaire given to a statistically insignificant number of coeds with a bunch of questions on it that if any were answered "yes" it was counted as rape. And they were diluted down so far as to make the term "rape" nearly meaningless. Which one would think would piss off actual rape victims.
Posted by: Did an ugly guy look at you for more than 2 seconds? RAPE!!! at April 24, 2025 03:57 PM (TbWk/)
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The Guardian warns women about influencers who want to make them "thin, fertile, and Republican"
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But a tranny influencer is ok ?
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 03:55 PM (g47mK)
Guardian calls their woman subscribers fat and childless. Good move.
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But a tranny influencer is ok ?
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 03:55 PM (g47mK)
Guardian calls their woman subscribers fat and childless. Good move.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 24, 2025 03:57 PM (n7h9X)
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India's aircraft carrier, INS Vikrant, has reportedly left port and is heading for Pakistan.
https://tinyurl.com/4dyfdkxy
https://tinyurl.com/4dyfdkxy
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at April 24, 2025 03:57 PM (paSBy)
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End the loopholes. For example, don’t let companies buy houses for CEOs so they can live off the business. Tax long-term and short-term cap gains at 10%. Kill the AMT. Tax corps and trusts at flat 15%, so people won’t use them as a tax dodge.
The current system is a mess, but let’s not pretend it can’t be reformed.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 03:53 PM (/dDa4)
I'm not pretending it can't be reformed, I'm just saying it's not as simple as closing up some loopholes.
I'm not a tax lawyer, but obviously I'm exposed to it a bit. And it is super complicated. Especially on the business tax side.
And it kind of has to be. We tax the profit, not the revenue. Which is why the tax code is so big -- lots of arguments over what is profit and what is not profit. It incentivizes wasteful behaviors.
So if you pay yourself $100k, the IRS doesn't care if you spend it on hookers and blow or if you buy a new car. But if a business spends $100k, where the money went matters.
The current system is a mess, but let’s not pretend it can’t be reformed.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 03:53 PM (/dDa4)
I'm not pretending it can't be reformed, I'm just saying it's not as simple as closing up some loopholes.
I'm not a tax lawyer, but obviously I'm exposed to it a bit. And it is super complicated. Especially on the business tax side.
And it kind of has to be. We tax the profit, not the revenue. Which is why the tax code is so big -- lots of arguments over what is profit and what is not profit. It incentivizes wasteful behaviors.
So if you pay yourself $100k, the IRS doesn't care if you spend it on hookers and blow or if you buy a new car. But if a business spends $100k, where the money went matters.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 03:57 PM (uCjyK)
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Imagine warning women, who are given their fortune in the form of youth, away from being healthy (thin and attractive) and happy (as mothers) and instead encouraging them to waste that fortune in toil for uncaring corporations and repulsive "experience"
Posted by: Boron Quidquid - you realize Darwin disproved evolution, right? at April 24, 2025 03:58 PM (5IqhH)
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The Guardian warns women about influencers who want to make them "thin, fertile, and Republican"
I thought that was Cosmo except they wanted them to be a fierce Democrat .
I thought that was Cosmo except they wanted them to be a fierce Democrat .
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 03:58 PM (VofaG)
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The Guardian warns women about influencers who want to make them "thin, fertile, and Republican"
Oh no! Anything but that!
Fat, unloved incel, insane cat-lady Democrat is the way to go gals!
Oh no! Anything but that!
Fat, unloved incel, insane cat-lady Democrat is the way to go gals!
Posted by: naturalfake at April 24, 2025 03:58 PM (iJfKG)
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Find someone who looks at you the way Barack looks at a juicy cock.
Posted by: ... at April 24, 2025 03:58 PM (sBjls)
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Why don't we see if another country would be willing to provide all federal government services, entitlements, etc., for less money? If the ChiComs can do it cheaper, let's give them a shot.
Uh...they'd be about the last government I'd want to outsource my government to.
"Dear Subjects please dispose of your latest ID cards immediately, they are unfortunately made of poorly recycled nuclear waste materials. Yes of course you can throw them in the trash "
Uh...they'd be about the last government I'd want to outsource my government to.
"Dear Subjects please dispose of your latest ID cards immediately, they are unfortunately made of poorly recycled nuclear waste materials. Yes of course you can throw them in the trash "
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 03:59 PM (t0Rmr)
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Without income tax we would have much less of your money to spend?
Posted by: GOP at April 24, 2025 03:57 PM (/U5Yz)
Even with the income tax there is no relation to income and spending.
Posted by: GOP at April 24, 2025 03:57 PM (/U5Yz)
Even with the income tax there is no relation to income and spending.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 24, 2025 03:59 PM (n7h9X)
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The Guardian is and has always been a shit publication… in the same bag as the Nation and Mother Jones… I am sure their readership is over 60, academic midwits, and government apparatchiks…
Posted by: tubal at April 24, 2025 03:59 PM (PCK5/)
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Something no one brings up is that a VAT is equivalent to a tariff.
I wonder why no one talks about this.
VAT puts all the tax on the product. So by having 25% VAT, other taxes are avoided. The US has no VAT, so our products include that tax burden. Then when EU product is sold overseas -- no VAT so it is not burdened with tax. When US products are sold in EU, they include the US tax burden plus VAT. It is like EU has a 25% tariff and a 25% export subsidy.
I simplified, but this is the effect.
I wonder why no one talks about this.
VAT puts all the tax on the product. So by having 25% VAT, other taxes are avoided. The US has no VAT, so our products include that tax burden. Then when EU product is sold overseas -- no VAT so it is not burdened with tax. When US products are sold in EU, they include the US tax burden plus VAT. It is like EU has a 25% tariff and a 25% export subsidy.
I simplified, but this is the effect.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 24, 2025 03:59 PM (06XVj)
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Find someone who looks at you the way Barack looks at a juicy cock.
Posted by: ... at
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Hahaha
I initially read that as "cook"
Which also works
Posted by: ... at
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Hahaha
I initially read that as "cook"
Which also works
Posted by: Boron Quidquid - you realize Darwin disproved evolution, right? at April 24, 2025 04:00 PM (5IqhH)
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>>> 188
My favorite statistic was that 1 in 4 women were raped in college. If that were true, why do parents keep sending their daughters to college? I'm beginning to think it is a feature and not a bug.
Or, you know, a bullshit lie.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 24, 2025 03:53 PM (a4NoL)
I'm gonna go with bullshit lie. The real story on that is a questionnaire given to a statistically insignificant number of coeds with a bunch of questions on it that if any were answered "yes" it was counted as rape. And they were diluted down so far as to make the term "rape" nearly meaningless. Which one would think would piss off actual rape victims.
Posted by: Did an ugly guy look at you for more than 2 seconds? RAPE!!! at April 24, 2025 03:57 PM (TbWk/)
I wonder how much USAID money was going to that bimbo who carried a mattress around campus for a semester or two.
My favorite statistic was that 1 in 4 women were raped in college. If that were true, why do parents keep sending their daughters to college? I'm beginning to think it is a feature and not a bug.
Or, you know, a bullshit lie.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 24, 2025 03:53 PM (a4NoL)
I'm gonna go with bullshit lie. The real story on that is a questionnaire given to a statistically insignificant number of coeds with a bunch of questions on it that if any were answered "yes" it was counted as rape. And they were diluted down so far as to make the term "rape" nearly meaningless. Which one would think would piss off actual rape victims.
Posted by: Did an ugly guy look at you for more than 2 seconds? RAPE!!! at April 24, 2025 03:57 PM (TbWk/)
I wonder how much USAID money was going to that bimbo who carried a mattress around campus for a semester or two.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 24, 2025 04:00 PM (Vqx30)
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Fight the Oligarchy!! Says AOC & Bernie from their rented private jet at $15K an hour as they fly around the country lecturing other dummies about the rich paying their fair share.
I don't believe that their high flying ways are coming out of their own pockets either
I don't believe that their high flying ways are coming out of their own pockets either
Posted by: Cheri at April 24, 2025 04:00 PM (oiNtH)
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Spain and China own most of the toll roads in this country
Posted by: Ben Had at April 24, 2025 04:00 PM (oXfCm)
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 04:01 PM (g47mK)
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India's aircraft carrier, INS Vikrant
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Wow. It has a ski jump nose. Just in case your plane is stuttering and coughing on takeoff.
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Wow. It has a ski jump nose. Just in case your plane is stuttering and coughing on takeoff.
Posted by: wth at April 24, 2025 04:01 PM (HgMAr)
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I would be for all a flay tax, no loopholes and fixed frate for everyone
Posted by: Skip at April 24, 2025 04:01 PM (ypFCm)
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I hate the whole concept of a progressive tax. Tax everyone the same rate, say 10% as an example.
Ten percent of $1 million is more than 10% of $100,000. The “rich” would still be paying more.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at April 24, 2025 03:41 PM (+K1xO)
This, 1000%
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 24, 2025 03:42 PM (8jn+t)
Thought it was just me.
Posted by: Piper at April 24, 2025 03:56 PM (p4NUW
It’s not about the rich paying more . It’s about the rich paying more when the rest are paying less. ( in terms of percentage)
Ten percent of $1 million is more than 10% of $100,000. The “rich” would still be paying more.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at April 24, 2025 03:41 PM (+K1xO)
This, 1000%
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 24, 2025 03:42 PM (8jn+t)
Thought it was just me.
Posted by: Piper at April 24, 2025 03:56 PM (p4NUW
It’s not about the rich paying more . It’s about the rich paying more when the rest are paying less. ( in terms of percentage)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 04:01 PM (VofaG)
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195 Find someone who looks at you the way Barack looks at a juicy cock.
Posted by: ... at April 24, 2025 03:58 PM (sBjls)
Is there anything that degenerate won't eat?
Posted by: ... at April 24, 2025 03:58 PM (sBjls)
Is there anything that degenerate won't eat?
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 24, 2025 04:01 PM (a4NoL)
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>> I’d rather see a national sales tax and elimination of income tax.
Put me in charge and I could fund the necessary Federal functions* on tariffs alone. Maybe not even that. I could probably run it at a profit.
(*Secure borders. ICE. Coast Guard. Keep some nukes in case some country gets a big idea. Some US Marshalls to hang any state or local politco or judge who abridges any citizen’s Constitutional rights.)
Put me in charge and I could fund the necessary Federal functions* on tariffs alone. Maybe not even that. I could probably run it at a profit.
(*Secure borders. ICE. Coast Guard. Keep some nukes in case some country gets a big idea. Some US Marshalls to hang any state or local politco or judge who abridges any citizen’s Constitutional rights.)
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 04:01 PM (/dDa4)
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The only people making over a million in salary a year are entertainers and athletes. So democrats
Posted by: Maroon at April 24, 2025 03:23 PM (lVKJi)
And all the members.of the Trump golf clubs.
Posted by: Maroon at April 24, 2025 03:23 PM (lVKJi)
And all the members.of the Trump golf clubs.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 24, 2025 04:01 PM (W/lyH)
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we can try flat tax for a year, can't we?
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 04:01 PM (g47mK)
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206 I would be for all a flay tax, no loopholes and fixed frate for everyone
Posted by: Skip at April 24, 2025 04:01 PM
Flaying should be tax-free.
Posted by: Skip at April 24, 2025 04:01 PM
Flaying should be tax-free.
Posted by: Especially if the flayees are politicians at April 24, 2025 04:02 PM (TbWk/)
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And fixed the broke socket joint and the other side for my tractor steering.
Buffs my greasy hands fingernails.
Buffs my greasy hands fingernails.
Posted by: Skip at April 24, 2025 04:02 PM (ypFCm)
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So if you pay yourself $100k, the IRS doesn't care if you spend it on hookers and blow or if you buy a new car. But if a business spends $100k, where the money went matters.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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I advocate for thorough taxing of *compensation* and that would include any benefit a person receives from any business - trips, lunches, houses, etc.
This is an oversimplification, but if you are on a salary, you are screwed. If you own the business or are an exec., you have avoidance.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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I advocate for thorough taxing of *compensation* and that would include any benefit a person receives from any business - trips, lunches, houses, etc.
This is an oversimplification, but if you are on a salary, you are screwed. If you own the business or are an exec., you have avoidance.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 24, 2025 04:02 PM (06XVj)
Posted by: Pete Bootyjuice at April 24, 2025 04:03 PM (+K1xO)
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206 I would be for all a flay tax, no loopholes and fixed frate for everyone
Posted by: Skip at April 24, 2025 04:01 PM (ypFCm)
Flay tax sounds painful.
Posted by: Skip at April 24, 2025 04:01 PM (ypFCm)
Flay tax sounds painful.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 24, 2025 04:03 PM (a4NoL)
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If the press is reporting something from "sources" which do not cite an actual statement from President Trump then it's an op designed to pressure the weak kneed into pushing President Trump to propose something on which he did not campaign.
President Trump wants no taxes on people making under X dollars. Money which would help blunt if not eliminate the pain of tariffs.
Naturally, letting Americans keep their money is something DC cannot abide so, they're trying to see if they can adjust their sights on another target which is easily vilified.
By the way, nothing would destroy the value of the Gold Visa faster than onerous taxes on the very people who can afford such a card.
President Trump wants no taxes on people making under X dollars. Money which would help blunt if not eliminate the pain of tariffs.
Naturally, letting Americans keep their money is something DC cannot abide so, they're trying to see if they can adjust their sights on another target which is easily vilified.
By the way, nothing would destroy the value of the Gold Visa faster than onerous taxes on the very people who can afford such a card.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 24, 2025 04:03 PM (tT6L1)
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Posted by: Boron Quidquid - you realize Darwin disproved evolution, right? at April 24, 2025 04:00 PM (5IqhH)
Although he hasn't been juicy for some time. But I bet what he knew was.
Although he hasn't been juicy for some time. But I bet what he knew was.
Posted by: ... at April 24, 2025 04:03 PM (sBjls)
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 04:03 PM (jc0TO)
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Imagine warning women, who are given their fortune in the form of youth, away from being healthy (thin and attractive) and happy (as mothers) and instead encouraging them to waste that fortune in toil for uncaring corporations and repulsive "experience"
Posted by: Boron Quidquid - you realize Darwin disproved evolution, right? at April 24, 2025 03:58 PM (5IqhH)
That alays cracked me up that the feminist dream is to lie on your death bed at the end of your life going:
"I was such a good employee. Working overtime as much as I could. I really made a lot of money for the Daisy Sour Cream Corporation!
My life was well spent!"
Posted by: Boron Quidquid - you realize Darwin disproved evolution, right? at April 24, 2025 03:58 PM (5IqhH)
That alays cracked me up that the feminist dream is to lie on your death bed at the end of your life going:
"I was such a good employee. Working overtime as much as I could. I really made a lot of money for the Daisy Sour Cream Corporation!
My life was well spent!"
Posted by: naturalfake at April 24, 2025 04:03 PM (iJfKG)
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Flay tax sounds painful.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 24, 2025 04:03 PM (a4NoL)
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Paying for the privilege of flaying IRS agents doesn't seem very painful, to me.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 24, 2025 04:03 PM (a4NoL)
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Paying for the privilege of flaying IRS agents doesn't seem very painful, to me.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 24, 2025 04:04 PM (tT6L1)
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The Guardian warns women about influencers who want to make them "thin, fertile, and Republican"
Why would anyone turn to The Guardian for life advice?
Why would anyone turn to The Guardian for life advice?
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at April 24, 2025 04:04 PM (kTd/k)
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Sales tax is a consumption tax. Instinctively I don't like it. But I am for treating income as income and not pretending that carried interest is not income.
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 04:04 PM (g47mK)
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How about this - we make the penalty for rape...death. And no clemency for skin color or immigration status. But it has to be rape not "I said yes but I meant no" or "I said yes but he lied about being rich/single/famous/whatever"
No? Democrats don't want that? I wonder why...
No? Democrats don't want that? I wonder why...
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 04:04 PM (t0Rmr)
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*that made sense to me...
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 04:04 PM (g47mK)
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You give people their entire paycheck, sans withholding, and human nature will kick in…. Spend spend spend.
Plus, everyone would pay something, citizens, noncitizens, foreign tourists, etc.
But we can’t have nice things.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at April 24, 2025 03:55 PM (+K1xO)
Funny that that reasoning does not apply to rent, house payments and car payments. Withholding should die. Banks could just offer a service to slot money into appropriate slots for you.
Plus, everyone would pay something, citizens, noncitizens, foreign tourists, etc.
But we can’t have nice things.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at April 24, 2025 03:55 PM (+K1xO)
Funny that that reasoning does not apply to rent, house payments and car payments. Withholding should die. Banks could just offer a service to slot money into appropriate slots for you.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 24, 2025 04:04 PM (n7h9X)
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Why don't we see if another country would be willing to provide all federal government services, entitlements, etc., for less money? If the ChiComs can do it cheaper, let's give them a shot.
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Leichenstein
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Leichenstein
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at April 24, 2025 04:05 PM (Vh9CX)
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Pakistan has reportedly closed its airspace to all Indian aircraft.
https://tinyurl.com/m8yku7ca
https://tinyurl.com/m8yku7ca
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at April 24, 2025 04:05 PM (paSBy)
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Bearclaw, not just deep fried dough, sugar, and frosting anymore!
Alexander S. Vindman @AVindman
Trump is a Russian Asset.
This is the way the Russian security and intelligence services categorize him according to their oecessarily need to be a witting assets to be run as such.
Trump meets two criteria to qualify as a Russian asset. Trump is both a useful idiot because he is easily manipulated to serve Putin… look at Trump’s efforts to pressure Ukraine to capitulate on the mirage of deals, economic cooperation, reducing the imaginary risk of WWIIIaying to Trump’s vanity and ego as a deal maker and on ignorance driven fears [other example are buying Russia’s narrative of NATO aggression]; and Trump is a fellow traveler.
Trump sees the world much like Putin. The strong must pray on the weak. The strong are entitled to coerce small states to squeeze deals.
Again the Russian describe these features of Trump in state-run media and official channels.
Alexander S. Vindman @AVindman
Trump is a Russian Asset.
This is the way the Russian security and intelligence services categorize him according to their oecessarily need to be a witting assets to be run as such.
Trump meets two criteria to qualify as a Russian asset. Trump is both a useful idiot because he is easily manipulated to serve Putin… look at Trump’s efforts to pressure Ukraine to capitulate on the mirage of deals, economic cooperation, reducing the imaginary risk of WWIIIaying to Trump’s vanity and ego as a deal maker and on ignorance driven fears [other example are buying Russia’s narrative of NATO aggression]; and Trump is a fellow traveler.
Trump sees the world much like Putin. The strong must pray on the weak. The strong are entitled to coerce small states to squeeze deals.
Again the Russian describe these features of Trump in state-run media and official channels.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 24, 2025 04:05 PM (L/fGl)
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You go work. The government penalizes you with taxes.
You need a car to work, so you buy one. The government penalizes you with taxes.
You save some of that money and invest it. The government penalizes you with taxes.
You have the nerve to die and leave some money to your kids. The government penalizes you with taxes.
You need a car to work, so you buy one. The government penalizes you with taxes.
You save some of that money and invest it. The government penalizes you with taxes.
You have the nerve to die and leave some money to your kids. The government penalizes you with taxes.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 04:05 PM (t0Rmr)
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I was having a discussion with some lefty friends and we all agreed it was insane you can’t file your taxes on a postcard. Or even that you need to file, unless you earn a bunch of cash or have a bunch of business expenses.
Politicians have been promising us a simple tax code with no loopholes that’s easy to comply with for decades. This has broad bipartisan support.
Yet nothing ever gets fixed. Instead we have a system where the gov’t knows how much you owe, but has an entire industry and yearly humiliation/demoralization ritual of filling out forms to tell the IRS what they already know.
Politicians have been promising us a simple tax code with no loopholes that’s easy to comply with for decades. This has broad bipartisan support.
Yet nothing ever gets fixed. Instead we have a system where the gov’t knows how much you owe, but has an entire industry and yearly humiliation/demoralization ritual of filling out forms to tell the IRS what they already know.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 04:05 PM (/dDa4)
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I’m for whatever tax plan is equitable . Not progressive. And I don’t think a consumption tax is equitable for a family with one wage earner. He or she is paying for consumption beyond just themselves.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 04:06 PM (VofaG)
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Flay tax sounds painful.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 24, 2025 04:03 PM (a4NoL)
Worked well for the Assyrians. Until it didn't.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 24, 2025 04:03 PM (a4NoL)
Worked well for the Assyrians. Until it didn't.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at April 24, 2025 04:06 PM (XCUp7)
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Sales tax is a consumption tax. Instinctively I don't like it. But I am for treating income as income and not pretending that carried interest is not income.
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 04:04 PM (g47mK)
It does have the side benefit of not taxing savings, and setting things up for a rainy day.
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 04:04 PM (g47mK)
It does have the side benefit of not taxing savings, and setting things up for a rainy day.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 24, 2025 04:06 PM (VNX3d)
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Alexander S. Vindman @AVindman
Trump is a Russian Asset.
_______________
And you're a Ukrainian asset. Also a Ukrainian asshole.
Trump is a Russian Asset.
_______________
And you're a Ukrainian asset. Also a Ukrainian asshole.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 24, 2025 04:06 PM (YqDXo)
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Even with the income tax there is no relation to income and spending.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 24, 2025 03:59 PM (n7h9X)
Ha!
Boy, ain't that the truth!
Posted by: Oldcat at April 24, 2025 03:59 PM (n7h9X)
Ha!
Boy, ain't that the truth!
Posted by: Dem Controlled Washington State Legislature at April 24, 2025 04:07 PM (W/lyH)
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224 How about this - we make the penalty for rape...death. And no clemency for skin color or immigration status. But it has to be rape not "I said yes but I meant no" or "I said yes but he lied about being rich/single/famous/whatever"
No? Democrats don't want that? I wonder why...
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 04:04 PM (t0Rmr)
But how is that going to be proven, that it was rape-rape and not "rape." Injuries? Whether the alleged perpetrator was known to the victim?
No? Democrats don't want that? I wonder why...
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 04:04 PM (t0Rmr)
But how is that going to be proven, that it was rape-rape and not "rape." Injuries? Whether the alleged perpetrator was known to the victim?
Posted by: This strikes me as a flawed idea at April 24, 2025 04:07 PM (TbWk/)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 24, 2025 04:07 PM (L/fGl)
Posted by: ... at April 24, 2025 04:07 PM (sBjls)
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But how is that going to be proven, that it was rape-rape and not "rape." Injuries? Whether the alleged perpetrator was known to the victim?
The same way real rape is proven now.
But how is that going to be proven, that it was rape-rape and not "rape." Injuries? Whether the alleged perpetrator was known to the victim?
The same way real rape is proven now.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 04:07 PM (t0Rmr)
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Yet nothing ever gets fixed. Instead we have a system where the gov’t knows how much you owe, but has an entire industry and yearly humiliation/demoralization ritual of filling out forms to tell the IRS what they already know.
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Avoiding collapse of that whole industry is probably what keeps complicated taxation in place.
Kinda like claims that curing cancer would collapse entire industries.
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Avoiding collapse of that whole industry is probably what keeps complicated taxation in place.
Kinda like claims that curing cancer would collapse entire industries.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at April 24, 2025 04:08 PM (+K1xO)
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Eh, outside trying to type
Posted by: Skip at April 24, 2025 04:08 PM (ypFCm)
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Something no one brings up is that a VAT is equivalent to a tariff.
I wonder why no one talks about this.
VAT puts all the tax on the product. So by having 25% VAT, other taxes are avoided. The US has no VAT, so our products include that tax burden. Then when EU product is sold overseas -- no VAT so it is not burdened with tax. When US products are sold in EU, they include the US tax burden plus VAT. It is like EU has a 25% tariff and a 25% export subsidy.
I simplified, but this is the effect.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 24, 2025 03:59 PM (06XVj)
Trump does. When he calculates equivalent tariffs he includes any impediment to our trade there...including VATs and other monetary policies that are unfair.
I wonder why no one talks about this.
VAT puts all the tax on the product. So by having 25% VAT, other taxes are avoided. The US has no VAT, so our products include that tax burden. Then when EU product is sold overseas -- no VAT so it is not burdened with tax. When US products are sold in EU, they include the US tax burden plus VAT. It is like EU has a 25% tariff and a 25% export subsidy.
I simplified, but this is the effect.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 24, 2025 03:59 PM (06XVj)
Trump does. When he calculates equivalent tariffs he includes any impediment to our trade there...including VATs and other monetary policies that are unfair.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 24, 2025 04:08 PM (n7h9X)
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A 62-year-old man in the throes of a life-threatening medical emergency died after an American Airlines flight crew failed to call for help until after the plane landed, taxied to the gate and all other passengers had disembarked – by which time it was too late to save him, his family alleges.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 24, 2025 04:08 PM (/U5Yz)
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The Guardian warns women about influencers who want to make them "thin, fertile, and Republican"
Fat, barren and Democrat it is then!
The Guardian warns women about influencers who want to make them "thin, fertile, and Republican"
Fat, barren and Democrat it is then!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2025 04:08 PM (63Dwl)
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And while I get the idea of punishing the rich, who largely don't vote with us any more, I'm a little concerned about where all of this ends up.
On the one hand, I've never been a fan of the progressive tax since people who don't pay taxes vote to have the government do a lot of stupid shit. OTOH, people who pay a lot of taxes vote to have the government do a lot of stupid shit.
I'm not sure what the right answer is. Maybe if there were actual punishments for people in government for deficit spending...
On the one hand, I've never been a fan of the progressive tax since people who don't pay taxes vote to have the government do a lot of stupid shit. OTOH, people who pay a lot of taxes vote to have the government do a lot of stupid shit.
I'm not sure what the right answer is. Maybe if there were actual punishments for people in government for deficit spending...
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 04:09 PM (ExV1e)
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The problem with flat to zero (flat tax on all income) is that people on the low end just avoid it -- it creates an underground economy.
I also think all tax is theft, but I am OK with tax of 10% on everything. (income, cap gains (with indexing), inheritance, ...)
So a hard limit (10%, but no tax under 100K) does not work either since you have everyone making 99K and you need to avoid hard barriers. Then you end up with a schedule such as 0 at 50K, 2% at 60K, etc. You see where this goes?
I also think all tax is theft, but I am OK with tax of 10% on everything. (income, cap gains (with indexing), inheritance, ...)
So a hard limit (10%, but no tax under 100K) does not work either since you have everyone making 99K and you need to avoid hard barriers. Then you end up with a schedule such as 0 at 50K, 2% at 60K, etc. You see where this goes?
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 24, 2025 04:09 PM (06XVj)
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219 Wow. It has a ski jump nose.
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No catapult.
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If I remember correctly, it's an old ship that India bought from Russia.
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No catapult.
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If I remember correctly, it's an old ship that India bought from Russia.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at April 24, 2025 04:09 PM (paSBy)
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>>Alexander S. Vindman @AVindman
Trump is a Russian Asset.
Unless you are texting from the Frontline in Ukraine, you are a Fat Coward.
Trump is a Russian Asset.
Unless you are texting from the Frontline in Ukraine, you are a Fat Coward.
Posted by: garrett at April 24, 2025 04:09 PM (F30Ty)
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90% of rapists are Democrat or in Democrat demographics. True or false.
Also they fight to get rapists the right to vote.
Which may be related.
Also they fight to get rapists the right to vote.
Which may be related.
Posted by: ... at April 24, 2025 04:09 PM (sBjls)
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Flaying tax is what they do now, flat tax is what should happen.
Posted by: Skip at April 24, 2025 04:09 PM (ypFCm)
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Pakistan has reportedly closed its airspace to all Indian aircraft.
......
I guess we're gonna find out who's crazier real quick.
......
I guess we're gonna find out who's crazier real quick.
Posted by: wth at April 24, 2025 04:10 PM (HgMAr)
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Unless you are texting from the Frontline in Ukraine, you are a Fat Coward.
Posted by: garrett at April 24, 2025 04:09 PM (F30Ty)
And quite honestly either way
Posted by: garrett at April 24, 2025 04:09 PM (F30Ty)
And quite honestly either way
Posted by: ... at April 24, 2025 04:10 PM (sBjls)
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Vindman is an ass. Not a very bright one either.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 24, 2025 04:10 PM (W/lyH)
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235 Alexander S. Vindman @AVindman
Trump is a Russian Asset.
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This is similar to being called a racist, homophobe, misogynist, etc.
"okay"
Trump is a Russian Asset.
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This is similar to being called a racist, homophobe, misogynist, etc.
"okay"
Posted by: Boron Quidquid - you realize Darwin disproved evolution, right? at April 24, 2025 04:10 PM (5IqhH)
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But how is that going to be proven, that it was rape-rape and not "rape." Injuries? Whether the alleged perpetrator was known to the victim?
The same way real rape is proven now.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 04:07 PM (t0Rmr)
You do realize there are men who served significant prison terms for rape who did not commit the crime, despite being convicted in a court of law? You're proposing a scenario in which potentially more men are wrongly executed.
The same way real rape is proven now.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 04:07 PM (t0Rmr)
You do realize there are men who served significant prison terms for rape who did not commit the crime, despite being convicted in a court of law? You're proposing a scenario in which potentially more men are wrongly executed.
Posted by: False accusations can get convictions at April 24, 2025 04:10 PM (TbWk/)
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Alexander S. Vindman @AVindman
Trump is a Russian Asset.
This is the way the Russian security and intelligence services categorize him according to their oecessarily need to be a witting assets to be run as such.
Trump meets two criteria to qualify as a Russian asset.
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Oh shut up you traitor.
You have no idea how Russian intelligence works, or anything more than what shop sells the best crullers.
Trump is a Russian Asset.
This is the way the Russian security and intelligence services categorize him according to their oecessarily need to be a witting assets to be run as such.
Trump meets two criteria to qualify as a Russian asset.
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Oh shut up you traitor.
You have no idea how Russian intelligence works, or anything more than what shop sells the best crullers.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 24, 2025 04:10 PM (n7h9X)
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If I remember correctly India has a bunch of SU29’s and 30’s. Some of the older French Rafael’s and some Jaguars. I think the Pakis still
Have some F16’s and some older Chinese stuff. So it’s going to be like watching a 1980’s vintage air show.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (RYTCQ)
If this latest war actually kicks off, it'll probably be like every other Paki/Indian war.
Paki savages start it, most often by massacring unarmed Indian civilians or attacking Indian border posts. The Indians bring in the Sikhs and Gurkhas who spank the Pakis like a bunch of schoolboys. Pakis whine and sulk about how unfair it is for the infidels to defend themselves.
I have my doubts about whether it's going to open warfare. When the Pakis set up their mohammedan savages for the Mumbai attacks in '08, which were a LOT worse, India passed on a military response.
If I remember correctly India has a bunch of SU29’s and 30’s. Some of the older French Rafael’s and some Jaguars. I think the Pakis still
Have some F16’s and some older Chinese stuff. So it’s going to be like watching a 1980’s vintage air show.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 24, 2025 03:37 PM (RYTCQ)
If this latest war actually kicks off, it'll probably be like every other Paki/Indian war.
Paki savages start it, most often by massacring unarmed Indian civilians or attacking Indian border posts. The Indians bring in the Sikhs and Gurkhas who spank the Pakis like a bunch of schoolboys. Pakis whine and sulk about how unfair it is for the infidels to defend themselves.
I have my doubts about whether it's going to open warfare. When the Pakis set up their mohammedan savages for the Mumbai attacks in '08, which were a LOT worse, India passed on a military response.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 24, 2025 04:11 PM (y9nCu)
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But how is that going to be proven, that it was rape-rape and not "rape." Injuries? Whether the alleged perpetrator was known to the victim?
Posted by: This strikes me as a flawed idea at April 24, 2025 04:07 PM (TbWk/)
Islamic method.
You need 4 witnesses.
Preferably not rubbing one out during the incident.
Posted by: This strikes me as a flawed idea at April 24, 2025 04:07 PM (TbWk/)
Islamic method.
You need 4 witnesses.
Preferably not rubbing one out during the incident.
Posted by: Stateless...21% - mental state clawing up from 10% at April 24, 2025 04:11 PM (jvJvP)
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>>And quite honestly either way
I was going to add...
And if you are, you are still a Fat Cuck.
But I figured that much was understood.
I was going to add...
And if you are, you are still a Fat Cuck.
But I figured that much was understood.
Posted by: garrett at April 24, 2025 04:11 PM (F30Ty)
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The Guardian warns women about influencers who want to make them "thin, fertile, and Republican"
Fat, barren and Democrat it is then!
Do these people never stop and think?
Fat, barren and Democrat it is then!
Do these people never stop and think?
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 04:11 PM (s8j++)
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It does have the side benefit of not taxing savings, and setting things up for a rainy day.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 24, 2025 04:06 PM (VNX3d)
what does ? I am talking about Hedge Fund GPs who get their income as carried interest. Should be taxed as regular income.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 24, 2025 04:06 PM (VNX3d)
what does ? I am talking about Hedge Fund GPs who get their income as carried interest. Should be taxed as regular income.
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 04:11 PM (g47mK)
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Jar Jar was asking for it.
Posted by: Boss Moss at April 24, 2025 04:12 PM (0Xu0D)
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I believe one should pay taxes on what you spend, not on what you earn.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 24, 2025 03:24 PM (W2Pud)
I prefer that model myself.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 24, 2025 03:24 PM (W2Pud)
I prefer that model myself.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 04:12 PM (ExV1e)
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A Pakistani navy sub sank an Indian ship during the Bangladesh war . I'm sure the Indians would like payback and the Pakistanis would like to do it again
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 24, 2025 04:12 PM (6TePA)
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Avoiding collapse of that whole industry is probably what keeps complicated taxation in place.
Kinda like claims that curing cancer would collapse entire industries.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at April 24, 2025 04:08 PM (+K1xO)
Yeah, and the RINOs deserve some blame here. The IRS has a free file program. It sucks, not everyone can use it, but it’s free. Congressional GOP has been trying to kill it for years, because their donors like H&R Block and Jackson-Hewitt make billions on a convoluted system that exists to suck the blood from working Americans.
Kinda like claims that curing cancer would collapse entire industries.
Posted by: Bicentennialguy at April 24, 2025 04:08 PM (+K1xO)
Yeah, and the RINOs deserve some blame here. The IRS has a free file program. It sucks, not everyone can use it, but it’s free. Congressional GOP has been trying to kill it for years, because their donors like H&R Block and Jackson-Hewitt make billions on a convoluted system that exists to suck the blood from working Americans.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 04:12 PM (/dDa4)
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Islamic method.
You need 4 witnesses.
Preferably not rubbing one out during the incident.
Posted by: Stateless...21% - mental state clawing up from 10% at April 24, 2025 04:11 PM (jvJvP)
I thought that in Islam the female rape victim is the one getting punished.
You need 4 witnesses.
Preferably not rubbing one out during the incident.
Posted by: Stateless...21% - mental state clawing up from 10% at April 24, 2025 04:11 PM (jvJvP)
I thought that in Islam the female rape victim is the one getting punished.
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at April 24, 2025 04:12 PM (kTd/k)
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Alexander S. Vindman @AVindman
Trump is a Russian Asset.
-
This is similar to being called a racist, homophobe, misogynist, etc.
"okay"
Posted by: Boron Quidquid
Poopy head. You forgot poopy head.
Alexander S. Vindman @AVindman
Trump is a Russian Asset.
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This is similar to being called a racist, homophobe, misogynist, etc.
"okay"
Posted by: Boron Quidquid
Poopy head. You forgot poopy head.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2025 04:12 PM (63Dwl)
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229: Vindman is still choking the Russia chicken. I guess it's ok he still chirps up occasionally otherwise I'd forget he exists. He's all sound and fury signifying nothing.
Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at April 24, 2025 04:13 PM (sAmhv)
Posted by: russian cherries are the best at April 24, 2025 04:13 PM (Aki9x)
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A 62-year-old man in the throes of a life-threatening medical emergency died after an American Airlines flight crew failed to call for help until after the plane landed, taxied to the gate and all other passengers had disembarked – by which time it was too late to save him, his family alleges.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 24, 2025 04:08 PM (/U5Yz)
What help is there going to be on a landing plane? The mythical doctor?
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 24, 2025 04:08 PM (/U5Yz)
What help is there going to be on a landing plane? The mythical doctor?
Posted by: Oldcat at April 24, 2025 04:13 PM (n7h9X)
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Vindman is an ass. Not a very bright one either.
I don't generally consider brightness to be an attribute in the world of asses. I mean, maybe on a baboon...
I don't generally consider brightness to be an attribute in the world of asses. I mean, maybe on a baboon...
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 04:13 PM (s8j++)
Posted by: India Aircraft Carrier at April 24, 2025 04:13 PM (06XVj)
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243 Something no one brings up is that a VAT is equivalent to a tariff.
I wonder why no one talks about this.
VAT puts all the tax on the product. So by having 25% VAT, other taxes are avoided. The US has no VAT, so our products include that tax burden. Then when EU product is sold overseas -- no VAT so it is not burdened with tax. When US products are sold in EU, they include the US tax burden plus VAT. It is like EU has a 25% tariff and a 25% export subsidy.
I simplified, but this is the effect.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 24, 2025 03:59 PM (06XVj)
Trump does. When he calculates equivalent tariffs he includes any impediment to our trade there...including VATs and other monetary policies that are unfair.
Posted by: Oldcat
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Free traders don't care about barriers to our imports, they only care about how much tariff they are going to have to pay for their imported goodies.
Frankly, a lot of them hate restrictions on corporate outsourcing or illegals immigrating as well. They view the world as borderless.
Utopian ideologues that have done a lot of damage to the US since Reagan.
I wonder why no one talks about this.
VAT puts all the tax on the product. So by having 25% VAT, other taxes are avoided. The US has no VAT, so our products include that tax burden. Then when EU product is sold overseas -- no VAT so it is not burdened with tax. When US products are sold in EU, they include the US tax burden plus VAT. It is like EU has a 25% tariff and a 25% export subsidy.
I simplified, but this is the effect.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 24, 2025 03:59 PM (06XVj)
Trump does. When he calculates equivalent tariffs he includes any impediment to our trade there...including VATs and other monetary policies that are unfair.
Posted by: Oldcat
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Free traders don't care about barriers to our imports, they only care about how much tariff they are going to have to pay for their imported goodies.
Frankly, a lot of them hate restrictions on corporate outsourcing or illegals immigrating as well. They view the world as borderless.
Utopian ideologues that have done a lot of damage to the US since Reagan.
Posted by: DNC at April 24, 2025 04:13 PM (ctrM5)
Posted by: Or is it Keeeeeeev? at April 24, 2025 04:14 PM (TbWk/)
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Vindmann should get booted to Ukraine
Posted by: Skip at April 24, 2025 04:14 PM (ypFCm)
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"even though economists warn that tariffs raise far less revenue and fall harder on lower-income households."
STILL WAITING FOR "ECONOMISTS" TO BE PROVEN CORRECT ON ANYTHING YET...
Like "why economists say printing trillions of dollars won't raise inflation" and other such drivel.
STILL WAITING FOR "ECONOMISTS" TO BE PROVEN CORRECT ON ANYTHING YET...
Like "why economists say printing trillions of dollars won't raise inflation" and other such drivel.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at April 24, 2025 04:14 PM (17s+e)
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How many people does Alexander Vindman influence?
Posted by: Northernlurker , Maple Syrup MAGA at April 24, 2025 04:14 PM (kTd/k)
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229: Vindman is still choking the Russia chicken. I guess it's ok he still chirps up occasionally otherwise I'd forget he exists. He's all sound and fury signifying nothing.
Posted by: Puddleglum
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Declare Ukraine an outlaw nation and deport him and his brother there under the Alien Enemies Act. If naturalized citizens behave like he does, they go back.
Posted by: Puddleglum
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Declare Ukraine an outlaw nation and deport him and his brother there under the Alien Enemies Act. If naturalized citizens behave like he does, they go back.
Posted by: DNC at April 24, 2025 04:14 PM (ctrM5)
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Any member of the Republican Party buying onto this should be duct taped to a metal chair and tapped a few times with a car battery on sensitive places.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 24, 2025 03:25 PM (RYTCQ)
That's ecologically unsound. Smearing honey on sensitive areas and gifting them with a few dozen fire ants would be less immediately instructive but the lesson would linger.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 24, 2025 03:25 PM (RYTCQ)
That's ecologically unsound. Smearing honey on sensitive areas and gifting them with a few dozen fire ants would be less immediately instructive but the lesson would linger.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 04:15 PM (ExV1e)
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I have my doubts about whether it's going to open warfare. When the Pakis set up their mohammedan savages for the Mumbai attacks in '08, which were a LOT worse, India passed on a military response.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur
I agree. The Pakis are cool with cowardly attacks on unarmed civilians, but if it comes down to an actual war, they're going to get their asses kicked up and down the subcontinent. The only other option is nukes, and if I were a Paki, I'd be a lot more worried about what Indian nukes could do to me than the reverse.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur
I agree. The Pakis are cool with cowardly attacks on unarmed civilians, but if it comes down to an actual war, they're going to get their asses kicked up and down the subcontinent. The only other option is nukes, and if I were a Paki, I'd be a lot more worried about what Indian nukes could do to me than the reverse.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 04:15 PM (s8j++)
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>>> 271 A 62-year-old man in the throes of a life-threatening medical emergency died after an American Airlines flight crew failed to call for help until after the plane landed, taxied to the gate and all other passengers had disembarked – by which time it was too late to save him, his family alleges.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 24, 2025 04:08 PM (/U5Yz)
What help is there going to be on a landing plane? The mythical doctor?
Posted by: Oldcat at April 24, 2025 04:13 PM (n7h9X)
Assuming the presstitues aren't making shit up, which given this post... is there any reason they couldn't have had a fcking ambulance waiting at the gate, and gotten the ill passenger off first?
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 24, 2025 04:08 PM (/U5Yz)
What help is there going to be on a landing plane? The mythical doctor?
Posted by: Oldcat at April 24, 2025 04:13 PM (n7h9X)
Assuming the presstitues aren't making shit up, which given this post... is there any reason they couldn't have had a fcking ambulance waiting at the gate, and gotten the ill passenger off first?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 24, 2025 04:16 PM (Vqx30)
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Yeah, and the RINOs deserve some blame here. The IRS has a free file program. It sucks, not everyone can use it, but it’s free. Congressional GOP has been trying to kill it for years, because their donors like H&R Block and Jackson-Hewitt make billions on a convoluted system that exists to suck the blood from working Americans.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 04:12 PM (/dDa4)
I've been doing my late Mother's taxes here in Canada for several years. It actually was never THAT horrible as a process.
I used WealthSimple, they'd carry over your information from last year, you connect to Revenue Canada and most of your tax slips and investment slips populate the program.
Deductions took a bit, but I got better over the years.
If they are going to steal from us, at least they make it somewhat easier for us.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 04:12 PM (/dDa4)
I've been doing my late Mother's taxes here in Canada for several years. It actually was never THAT horrible as a process.
I used WealthSimple, they'd carry over your information from last year, you connect to Revenue Canada and most of your tax slips and investment slips populate the program.
Deductions took a bit, but I got better over the years.
If they are going to steal from us, at least they make it somewhat easier for us.
Posted by: Stateless...21% - mental state clawing up from 10% at April 24, 2025 04:16 PM (jvJvP)
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>> I have my doubts about whether it's going to open warfare. When the Pakis set up their mohammedan savages for the Mumbai attacks in '08, which were a LOT worse, India passed on a military response.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 24, 2025 04:11 PM (y9nCu)
India will fly some aircraft and put on a display. I’d be shocked if it turned into a shooting war. It’s why every few years Paki allied groups pull this shit. The ISI knows everything that goes on in and around their borders. Those fuckers let every shithead terrorist cross their border every spring into Afghanistan. I really do hope the Indians drop a few bombs on their asses.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 24, 2025 04:11 PM (y9nCu)
India will fly some aircraft and put on a display. I’d be shocked if it turned into a shooting war. It’s why every few years Paki allied groups pull this shit. The ISI knows everything that goes on in and around their borders. Those fuckers let every shithead terrorist cross their border every spring into Afghanistan. I really do hope the Indians drop a few bombs on their asses.
Posted by: Marcus T at April 24, 2025 04:16 PM (wjLW2)
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I have my doubts about whether it's going to open warfare. When the Pakis set up their mohammedan savages for the Mumbai attacks in '08, which were a LOT worse, India passed on a military response.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 24, 2025 04:11 PM (y9nCu)
From what I recall its pretty rough terrain up there, and the roads aren't the best . Lots of sitting on adjacent hills and plonking shots at each other.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 24, 2025 04:11 PM (y9nCu)
From what I recall its pretty rough terrain up there, and the roads aren't the best . Lots of sitting on adjacent hills and plonking shots at each other.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 24, 2025 04:16 PM (n7h9X)
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Trump does. When he calculates equivalent tariffs he includes any impediment to our trade there...including VATs and other monetary policies that are unfair.
Posted by: Oldcat
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I did not know this. I need to research how he calculates his "reciprocal" tariffs. The reporting I have seen always avoids details.
Posted by: Oldcat
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I did not know this. I need to research how he calculates his "reciprocal" tariffs. The reporting I have seen always avoids details.
Posted by: India Aircraft Carrier at April 24, 2025 04:16 PM (06XVj)
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I think a comparison chart would be in short order for tax the rich comparison. Would have to look up the amount that other countries get. However the fucking taxes on closing a college saving fund is horrendous.
Posted by: Halito at April 24, 2025 04:16 PM (ACNmL)
Posted by: Hostess Snacks Co. at April 24, 2025 04:16 PM (+K1xO)
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Assuming the presstitues aren't making shit up, which given this post... is there any reason they couldn't have had a fcking ambulance waiting at the gate, and gotten the ill passenger off first
Damn, and my hair was just starting to grow back.
Damn, and my hair was just starting to grow back.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 04:17 PM (s8j++)
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"even though economists warn that tariffs raise far less revenue and fall harder on lower-income households."
Women and minorities hardest hit.
"even though economists warn that tariffs raise far less revenue and fall harder on lower-income households."
Women and minorities hardest hit.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2025 04:17 PM (63Dwl)
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Audit Alexander Vindman !
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 04:17 PM (g47mK)
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Recall Vindman to active duty and court martial his ass.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 24, 2025 04:17 PM (2UnvF)
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I would like to see no individual federal taxes at all: tax the states. Let states try different ways of getting the money.
Any federal tax on individuals suffers from the problem of how to define what it is that we’ve decided is taxable (sales tax? what’s a sale? profits? what’s a profit? income tax? what’s income?) which are not questions that can reliably be answered on a national scale.
Instead of having to process hundreds of millions of taxpayers, the federal government has to process fifty. The rest of the process is broken down to more local entities, at most at the level of the state.
Any federal tax on individuals suffers from the problem of how to define what it is that we’ve decided is taxable (sales tax? what’s a sale? profits? what’s a profit? income tax? what’s income?) which are not questions that can reliably be answered on a national scale.
Instead of having to process hundreds of millions of taxpayers, the federal government has to process fifty. The rest of the process is broken down to more local entities, at most at the level of the state.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 24, 2025 04:17 PM (EXyHK)
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Audit Alexander Vindman !
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 04:17 PM (g47mK)
Put his ass on a low-carb diet.
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 04:17 PM (g47mK)
Put his ass on a low-carb diet.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 04:17 PM (/dDa4)
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>>> 289
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Damn, and my hair was just starting to grow back.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 04:17 PM (s8j++)
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Damn, and my hair was just starting to grow back.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 04:17 PM (s8j++)
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 24, 2025 04:18 PM (Vqx30)
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Declare Ukraine an outlaw nation and deport him and his brother there under the Alien Enemies Act. If naturalized citizens behave like he does, they go back.
Posted by: DNC at April 24, 2025 04:14 PM (ctrM5)
I think he's a citizen and his brother presumably since he's in congress, or tried.
Posted by: DNC at April 24, 2025 04:14 PM (ctrM5)
I think he's a citizen and his brother presumably since he's in congress, or tried.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 24, 2025 04:18 PM (n7h9X)
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>>How many people does Alexander Vindman influence?
Every morning he puts the squeeze on Little Debbie.
Every morning he puts the squeeze on Little Debbie.
Posted by: garrett at April 24, 2025 04:18 PM (F30Ty)
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Ignore Alexander Vindman !
Posted by: Ben Had at April 24, 2025 04:18 PM (oXfCm)
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sock off. I am not an aircraft carrier.
Trump's team is often surprising me.
Two peeves I have had, that no one talks about he has covered.
1. the VAT is a tariff issue discussed above.
2. The need for local counting of ballots. He has included that in the EO on elections. This is key to security and yet I have seen no one mention it in their rants about fair elections. But Trump did. I talk about it on every online discussion I can.
Trump's team is often surprising me.
Two peeves I have had, that no one talks about he has covered.
1. the VAT is a tariff issue discussed above.
2. The need for local counting of ballots. He has included that in the EO on elections. This is key to security and yet I have seen no one mention it in their rants about fair elections. But Trump did. I talk about it on every online discussion I can.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 24, 2025 04:18 PM (06XVj)
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I did not know this. I need to research how he calculates his "reciprocal" tariffs. The reporting I have seen always avoids details.
Posted by: India Aircraft Carrier at April 24, 2025 04:16 PM (06XVj)
Tariffs are just based on our trade deficit with a country. It’s a linear formula. So it kinda-sorta incorporates VAT and other barriers, but not directly.
Posted by: India Aircraft Carrier at April 24, 2025 04:16 PM (06XVj)
Tariffs are just based on our trade deficit with a country. It’s a linear formula. So it kinda-sorta incorporates VAT and other barriers, but not directly.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 04:20 PM (/dDa4)
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I missed this earlier. In addition to cancelling all Pakistani visas, India has called on all its citizens in Pakistan to leave immediately.
https://tinyurl.com/bdfvnsme
https://tinyurl.com/bdfvnsme
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at April 24, 2025 04:20 PM (paSBy)
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Ignore Alexander Vindman !
Posted by: Ben Had at April 24, 2025 04:18 PM (oXfCm)
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Who?
Posted by: Ben Had at April 24, 2025 04:18 PM (oXfCm)
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Who?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 24, 2025 04:20 PM (tT6L1)
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US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent sez that the tax package should be completed by July 4th.
Posted by: mrp at April 24, 2025 04:20 PM (rj6Yv)
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>>> 299 sock off. I am not an aircraft carrier.
Trump's team is often surprising me.
Two peeves I have had, that no one talks about he has covered.
1. the VAT is a tariff issue discussed above.
2. The need for local counting of ballots. He has included that in the EO on elections. This is key to security and yet I have seen no one mention it in their rants about fair elections. But Trump did. I talk about it on every online discussion I can.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 24, 2025 04:18 PM (06XVj)
But what if you *identify* as an aircraft carrier???
I don't know if OrangeManBad will be able to do all the things he's set out to do, but even Noticing things in a very loud voice helps...
Trump's team is often surprising me.
Two peeves I have had, that no one talks about he has covered.
1. the VAT is a tariff issue discussed above.
2. The need for local counting of ballots. He has included that in the EO on elections. This is key to security and yet I have seen no one mention it in their rants about fair elections. But Trump did. I talk about it on every online discussion I can.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 24, 2025 04:18 PM (06XVj)
But what if you *identify* as an aircraft carrier???
I don't know if OrangeManBad will be able to do all the things he's set out to do, but even Noticing things in a very loud voice helps...
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 24, 2025 04:21 PM (Vqx30)
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STILL WAITING FOR "ECONOMISTS" TO BE PROVEN CORRECT ON ANYTHING YET...
Like "why economists say printing trillions of dollars won't raise inflation" and other such drivel.
Posted by: Jukin
Jukin, as an econ undergrad and studied political economy as a grad student, it becomes clear that microeconomics is more or less a valid field of study with predictable and solid empirical evidence.
Macroeconomics and particularly international economics is using stats and math to hide the fact that empirical models do not predict reality very well. Sort of like climate change models. In the end, when such models are presented, all they do is reflect the underlying assumptions (nice way of saying biases) of their proponents.
Like "why economists say printing trillions of dollars won't raise inflation" and other such drivel.
Posted by: Jukin
Jukin, as an econ undergrad and studied political economy as a grad student, it becomes clear that microeconomics is more or less a valid field of study with predictable and solid empirical evidence.
Macroeconomics and particularly international economics is using stats and math to hide the fact that empirical models do not predict reality very well. Sort of like climate change models. In the end, when such models are presented, all they do is reflect the underlying assumptions (nice way of saying biases) of their proponents.
Posted by: DNC at April 24, 2025 04:21 PM (ctrM5)
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The media always adds the phrase "without evidence" to the Trump admin claims that Maryland Dad is a gang member. I'm going to assume that this story didn't include the "without evidence" phrase after the Trump anonymous insider claims.
The evidence that is sufficient for a journalist is if the story might hurt Trump, than anything said by a source that doesn't go on the record is sufficient. If it might help Trump, the evidence standard goes way up.
The evidence that is sufficient for a journalist is if the story might hurt Trump, than anything said by a source that doesn't go on the record is sufficient. If it might help Trump, the evidence standard goes way up.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 24, 2025 04:21 PM (Dv3i1)
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OK, so far we have:
1) Audit Vindman
2) Put Vindman on a LC diet
3) Ignore Vindman
I would like to submit another one:
4) Give Vindman 1 way ticket to Ukraine
1) Audit Vindman
2) Put Vindman on a LC diet
3) Ignore Vindman
I would like to submit another one:
4) Give Vindman 1 way ticket to Ukraine
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 04:21 PM (g47mK)
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Ignore Alexander Vindman !
Posted by: Ben Had at April 24, 2025 04:18 PM (oXfCm)
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Who?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 24, 2025 04:20 PM (tT6L1)
It's the title of Lin-Manuel Miranda's new musical, after his success with "Hamilton".
Posted by: Ben Had at April 24, 2025 04:18 PM (oXfCm)
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Who?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 24, 2025 04:20 PM (tT6L1)
It's the title of Lin-Manuel Miranda's new musical, after his success with "Hamilton".
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 24, 2025 04:22 PM (VNX3d)
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Tariffs are just based on our trade deficit with a country. It’s a linear formula. So it kinda-sorta incorporates VAT and other barriers, but not directly.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director
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OK, but this is the kind of thing that should be shouted every time anyone brings up "smoot haulie gonna cause depression" nonsense when attacking his tariffs.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director
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OK, but this is the kind of thing that should be shouted every time anyone brings up "smoot haulie gonna cause depression" nonsense when attacking his tariffs.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 24, 2025 04:22 PM (06XVj)
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>>> 305
==
In the end, when such models are presented, all they do is reflect the underlying assumptions (nice way of saying biases) of their proponents.
Posted by: DNC at April 24, 2025 04:21 PM (ctrM5)
tbf one usually has to make *some* assumptions as a starting point but you're supposed to 1) explicitly call out your assumptions and 2) pay the fck attention if your model sucks donkey balls.
==
In the end, when such models are presented, all they do is reflect the underlying assumptions (nice way of saying biases) of their proponents.
Posted by: DNC at April 24, 2025 04:21 PM (ctrM5)
tbf one usually has to make *some* assumptions as a starting point but you're supposed to 1) explicitly call out your assumptions and 2) pay the fck attention if your model sucks donkey balls.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 24, 2025 04:22 PM (Vqx30)
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4) Give Vindman 1 way ticket to Ukraine
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 04:21 PM (g47mK)
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Ah the "all of the above" option. I like it!
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 04:21 PM (g47mK)
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Ah the "all of the above" option. I like it!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 24, 2025 04:23 PM (tT6L1)
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Like "why economists say printing trillions of dollars won't raise inflation" and other such drivel.
Posted by: Jukin
Like when economists say two down quarters in a row is the definition of recession unless Biden is president.
Like "why economists say printing trillions of dollars won't raise inflation" and other such drivel.
Posted by: Jukin
Like when economists say two down quarters in a row is the definition of recession unless Biden is president.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2025 04:23 PM (63Dwl)
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If Vindmann was in active military he would shoot himself in the head and get court martial real quickly from his antics
Posted by: Skip at April 24, 2025 04:23 PM (ypFCm)
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It's raining again! Happy trees, pissed off goats.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 24, 2025 04:23 PM (Vqx30)
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Like when economists say two down quarters in a row is the definition of recession unless Biden is president.
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Snort.
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Snort.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 24, 2025 04:24 PM (pZ64F)
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Back from work.
Also:
NOOD.
Treasury Secretary Bessent: We Have the Opportunity for a "Beautiful Rebalancing" of Trade With China; Tariffs Could be Lowered to 50-65%
NOOD!
Also:
NOOD.
Treasury Secretary Bessent: We Have the Opportunity for a "Beautiful Rebalancing" of Trade With China; Tariffs Could be Lowered to 50-65%
NOOD!
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at April 24, 2025 04:25 PM (O7YUW)
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Macroeconomics and particularly international economics is using stats and math to hide the fact that empirical models do not predict reality very well. Sort of like climate change models. In the end, when such models are presented, all they do is reflect the underlying assumptions (nice way of saying biases) of their proponents.
Posted by: DNC at April 24, 2025 04:21 PM (ctrM5)
In my ECON 101 under Carter they taught me that inflation and unemployment could not occur at the same time. Carter had records highs in both. I therefore determined that Economics was full of shit.
Later on my own I read a number of books on the subject, including Mises' one, but it was like a medical class teaching imbalances in the humours.
Posted by: DNC at April 24, 2025 04:21 PM (ctrM5)
In my ECON 101 under Carter they taught me that inflation and unemployment could not occur at the same time. Carter had records highs in both. I therefore determined that Economics was full of shit.
Later on my own I read a number of books on the subject, including Mises' one, but it was like a medical class teaching imbalances in the humours.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 24, 2025 04:25 PM (n7h9X)
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tbf one usually has to make *some* assumptions as a starting point but you're supposed to 1) explicitly call out your assumptions and 2) pay the fck attention if your model sucks donkey balls.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 24, 2025 04:22 PM (Vqx30)
Nah, that's old school. And very cute.
It's just easier to let the press report "Republicans are 35% more retarded than the stupidest Democrat."
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 24, 2025 04:22 PM (Vqx30)
Nah, that's old school. And very cute.
It's just easier to let the press report "Republicans are 35% more retarded than the stupidest Democrat."
Posted by: Stateless...21% - mental state clawing up from 10% at April 24, 2025 04:25 PM (jvJvP)
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Is there any possible truer statement than the one that follows "conservatives claim without evidence..."
Posted by: ... at April 24, 2025 04:25 PM (sBjls)
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Helena Handbasket, I have gotten almost 3 1/2 inches of rain since a little before noon.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 24, 2025 04:25 PM (oXfCm)
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A third peeve I have is that the true rate of inflation is about 3% higher than anyone calculates it.
The CW is that we need to keep injecting money into economy as it grows. Well, what nonsense. That is gov. stealing the value of progress from the public. Reality is deflationary and your dollar should buy more each day. that fact that it doesn't is because of theft. We have accepted that gov. is allowed to steal that 3%, plus the 3% target, plus the 10 or whatever percent inflation really is.
fourth peeve is GDP should not include gov. spending, but Musk mentioned that a couple weeks ago.
The CW is that we need to keep injecting money into economy as it grows. Well, what nonsense. That is gov. stealing the value of progress from the public. Reality is deflationary and your dollar should buy more each day. that fact that it doesn't is because of theft. We have accepted that gov. is allowed to steal that 3%, plus the 3% target, plus the 10 or whatever percent inflation really is.
fourth peeve is GDP should not include gov. spending, but Musk mentioned that a couple weeks ago.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 24, 2025 04:28 PM (06XVj)
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A Pakistani navy sub sank an Indian ship during the Bangladesh war . I'm sure the Indians would like payback and the Pakistanis would like to do it again
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 24, 2025 04:12 PM (6TePA)
They got payback before the war was over, the Indians sank about half the Paki Navy. Not to mention having the genocidal Paki Army in Bangladesh surrender nearly 100k troops after they got spanked.
A Pakistani navy sub sank an Indian ship during the Bangladesh war . I'm sure the Indians would like payback and the Pakistanis would like to do it again
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 24, 2025 04:12 PM (6TePA)
They got payback before the war was over, the Indians sank about half the Paki Navy. Not to mention having the genocidal Paki Army in Bangladesh surrender nearly 100k troops after they got spanked.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 24, 2025 04:28 PM (y9nCu)
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293 I would like to see no individual federal taxes at all: tax the states. Let states try different ways of getting the money.
Any federal tax on individuals suffers from the problem of how to define what it is that we’ve decided is taxable (sales tax? what’s a sale? profits? what’s a profit? income tax? what’s income?) which are not questions that can reliably be answered on a national scale.
Instead of having to process hundreds of millions of taxpayers, the federal government has to process fifty. The rest of the process is broken down to more local entities, at most at the level of the state.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair
You have two choices on direct taxes--either the income tax via amendment or the apportioned tax on states. Constitutionally, for apportionment, a tax must be the same amount per person in every state, a very difficult burden to satisfy. "
The reality is that when that was used to fund the articles of confederation, it did not work very well. What do you do about a deadbeat state? Invade it? Deny its ability to vote (not constitutional per se)? Take all its federal funds away?
There is a reason that the Framers ended up choosing indirect taxes.
Any federal tax on individuals suffers from the problem of how to define what it is that we’ve decided is taxable (sales tax? what’s a sale? profits? what’s a profit? income tax? what’s income?) which are not questions that can reliably be answered on a national scale.
Instead of having to process hundreds of millions of taxpayers, the federal government has to process fifty. The rest of the process is broken down to more local entities, at most at the level of the state.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair
You have two choices on direct taxes--either the income tax via amendment or the apportioned tax on states. Constitutionally, for apportionment, a tax must be the same amount per person in every state, a very difficult burden to satisfy. "
The reality is that when that was used to fund the articles of confederation, it did not work very well. What do you do about a deadbeat state? Invade it? Deny its ability to vote (not constitutional per se)? Take all its federal funds away?
There is a reason that the Framers ended up choosing indirect taxes.
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