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The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition
For more than a decade, many NATO countries have prioritized welfare expansion over defense procurement, a miscalculation that directly contributed to Europe's current security crisis. Russia's 2014 annexation of Crimea should have been a wake-up call; instead, it was met with half-measures and delayed commitments from key allies. Russia's 2022 full-scale invasion of Ukraine shattered any remaining illusions about European security. NATO's collective security is only as strong as each member's willingness to invest in it. The issue is not whether key Allied spending should rise; it must rise, not as a future aspiration, but as a correction for years of strategic neglect.Suckling on the American teat while they enjoy 30 hour work weeks is great for them, but not so great for the American worker. We have subsidized them ever since World War II, and it is time to force the issue. If Europe wants to push the Russian bear back to its own borders (wherever those may be), then by all means, build a robust armed force and do it! In fact, I think the United States should offer to sell them whatever arms they need to accomplish this feat. At retail. What's the list price of an M1 Abrams or an F-16? But the time of Pax Americana must end. We can not afford to shoulder the burdens of the defense of the world while Europe frolics. And what that means to Europe is the end of their welfare state, because they can't do both. And it would take a heart of stone not to laugh! PS. And Canada is among the worst! 1.27% over the last 10 years, and they have the temerity to complain about American tariffs? [Hat Tip: MTF] [Crossposted at CutJibNewsletter and X/Twitter] And the Apple and Spotify feeds for CJN's podcast should be working!
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MONKEY!
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at April 24, 2025 11:00 AM (N1tpc)
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Close, it can be lunch time
Posted by: Skip at April 24, 2025 11:01 AM (aHfB6)
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Russia's 2014 annexation of Crimea should have been a wake-up call;
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You know.
That contractual agreement between two regions that occurred per the terms of the established agreement between the two regions.
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You know.
That contractual agreement between two regions that occurred per the terms of the established agreement between the two regions.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 11:02 AM (6GvqP)
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Our keeping the sea lanes free means that we subsidized the destruction of the working class in this country.
And our "elites" love that because it means they made a ton of money AND got to hurt those nasty poors.
And our "elites" love that because it means they made a ton of money AND got to hurt those nasty poors.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at April 24, 2025 11:02 AM (N1tpc)
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Get out of NATO and leave that dismal little continent to its fate.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 11:02 AM (/dDa4)
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NATO should have disbanded with the end of the Soviet Union.
Without the USSR, there is no global threat from Russia.
But a bureaucracy isn't going to give up power simply because their reason for existence is gone.
So we have the leeches still sucking out blood to this day.
Without the USSR, there is no global threat from Russia.
But a bureaucracy isn't going to give up power simply because their reason for existence is gone.
So we have the leeches still sucking out blood to this day.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at April 24, 2025 11:03 AM (N1tpc)
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Imagine how the Russia/Ukraine negotiations would go if one of the Russian requirements for peace is that the US leaves NATO. I suspect Trump would be OK with it, while Lil Z would have flop sweat.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 24, 2025 11:04 AM (VNX3d)
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at April 24, 2025 11:04 AM (Kjgs1)
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Top 10?!?
Posted by: Grayman27 at April 24, 2025 11:04 AM (pgwxJ)
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NATO should have been disbanded shortly after the Warsaw Pact was eliminated. It could have been replaced with country by country defense agreements.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 11:04 AM (VofaG)
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Get out of NATO and leave that dismal little continent to its fate.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 11:02 AM
I agree, we have been coddling them since 1947 and it needs to stop.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 11:02 AM
I agree, we have been coddling them since 1947 and it needs to stop.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 24, 2025 11:05 AM (e5NfL)
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Rip the bandaid off already, US out of NATO. It's overdue. Also, same with UN.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 24, 2025 11:05 AM (Dv3i1)
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Get out of NATO and leave that dismal little continent to its fate.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director
Yep.
And let's drop this pretext that it's a separate continent. It's a subcontinent, just like India. So call it that. Go back to using "Eurasia" for everything from Iceland to Japan.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director
Yep.
And let's drop this pretext that it's a separate continent. It's a subcontinent, just like India. So call it that. Go back to using "Eurasia" for everything from Iceland to Japan.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 11:06 AM (77rzZ)
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No Egrets!
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 11:06 AM (g47mK)
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Our keeping the sea lanes free means that we subsidized the destruction of the working class in this country.
And our "elites" love that because it means they made a ton of money AND got to hurt those nasty poors.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at April 24, 2025 11:02 AM (N1tpc)
Yep. People like to decry “free trade”, but the trade ain’t so free when monetary policy forces trade deficits on your country and your taxpayers spend hundreds of billions a year making the world safe for Chinese container ships.
Remove that and see how eager companies are to offshore.
And our "elites" love that because it means they made a ton of money AND got to hurt those nasty poors.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at April 24, 2025 11:02 AM (N1tpc)
Yep. People like to decry “free trade”, but the trade ain’t so free when monetary policy forces trade deficits on your country and your taxpayers spend hundreds of billions a year making the world safe for Chinese container ships.
Remove that and see how eager companies are to offshore.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 11:07 AM (/dDa4)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 11:07 AM (VofaG)
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Canada is not alone but it is especially cynical. And shameful.
What does the UK spend all that money on? It must be Special Forces and the Air Force. Certainly not the Navy.
What does the UK spend all that money on? It must be Special Forces and the Air Force. Certainly not the Navy.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 24, 2025 11:07 AM (LmUMM)
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Good, you did bring up my craphole Canada.
Yes, we are the worst. We need to be invaded and our elite class dealt with.
Yes, we are the worst. We need to be invaded and our elite class dealt with.
Posted by: Stateless.. 21% - mental state clawing up from 10%, shit happened, clawing back next week at April 24, 2025 11:08 AM (jvJvP)
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Egrets? I had a few.
Posted by: 19th Century Hat Maker at April 24, 2025 11:08 AM (Dv3i1)
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at April 24, 2025 11:08 AM (Kjgs1)
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 11:09 AM (77rzZ)
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Let's take the French part...they seem to want to independ.
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 11:09 AM (g47mK)
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The Houthis are kind of today's Barbary Pirates.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at April 24, 2025 11:09 AM (LPS7w)
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I saw someone claim that the problem with Canada is that one-half of the population speaks French, and the other half lets them.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 24, 2025 11:09 AM (VNX3d)
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Styleguide suggestion: "China's colony, Canada"
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 24, 2025 11:09 AM (Dv3i1)
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Europe is like a 30 Year old son that doesn't have a job and won't move out of the house. And smokes weed every day.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 11:09 AM (VofaG)
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 11:09 AM (77rzZ)
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11 Get out of NATO and leave that dismal little continent to its fate.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 11:02 AM
I agree, we have been coddling them since 1947 and it needs to stop.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 24, 2025 11:05 AM (e5NfL)
I don't know why we felt the best policy was to rebuild European manufacturing (at the expense of American manufacturing), send god knows how many billions of dollars to god knows who, and make Europe our problem by sticking our noses in to every political situation in Europe since WWII.
It didn't have to be this way. We could have co-existed with the USSR. They were always going to collapse under their own weight. Communism as an economic system was never going to work. If Italy wanted to become communist, why should we spend millions on bribes and shenanigans to stop them?
But either way, here we are. I agree, decisions made in the 1940's should not dictate how we operate in the world in 2025.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 11:02 AM
I agree, we have been coddling them since 1947 and it needs to stop.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 24, 2025 11:05 AM (e5NfL)
I don't know why we felt the best policy was to rebuild European manufacturing (at the expense of American manufacturing), send god knows how many billions of dollars to god knows who, and make Europe our problem by sticking our noses in to every political situation in Europe since WWII.
It didn't have to be this way. We could have co-existed with the USSR. They were always going to collapse under their own weight. Communism as an economic system was never going to work. If Italy wanted to become communist, why should we spend millions on bribes and shenanigans to stop them?
But either way, here we are. I agree, decisions made in the 1940's should not dictate how we operate in the world in 2025.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 11:11 AM (uCjyK)
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I read that legitimate Yemeni government (that was sacked by that Iran porxy) has amassed tens of thousands of troops. Somewhere around 80k.
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 11:11 AM (g47mK)
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Styleguide suggestion: "China's colony, Canada"
Posted by: Chuck Martel
Kung pao poutine would be interesting.
Posted by: Chuck Martel
Kung pao poutine would be interesting.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 11:11 AM (77rzZ)
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Trump is pissed at Putin... He attacked Kyiv and killed a bunch of people... I don't see "peace" happening... Trump should probably let Europe handle it...
Posted by: It's me donna at April 24, 2025 11:11 AM (VE6XX)
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‘provide cradle to grave welfare benefits for their citizens.’
And millions that aren’t their citizens.
And millions that aren’t their citizens.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 24, 2025 11:11 AM (jbnUc)
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Sweden: Regrets, I've had a few.
https://t.co/Xe1m1IVQN2
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs
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Paying off the barbarians to stop sacking your town and leave.
https://t.co/Xe1m1IVQN2
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs
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Paying off the barbarians to stop sacking your town and leave.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 24, 2025 11:12 AM (SnGKT)
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That contractual agreement between two regions that occurred per the terms of the established agreement between the two regions.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie
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Treaty of Westphalia in 1648 had a good run but is defunct nowadays. One of the major innovations of the Cold War was proxy non-state actors. In the days of old, the state that harbored such was treated as if that state had committed the acts of war. In the Cold War era, national movements like the Viet Cong, terrorist groups, etc. became deniable pawns used to attack each other within the other's client states. Then you started getting radical Arab states into the game that harbored its own proxy terrorists to fight Israel by committing terrorism everywhere, the IRA with its Libyan/Palestinian ties along with the Commies, and so on.
In Ukraine 2014, you actually saw Westphalian war in a traditional sense provoked by idiots in the West that made a volte face from 2012 to 2014.
Suddenly the Obama administration deeply cared about removing or defeating Putin. The only thing that really changed was Putin blocking external adoptions and suddenly Obama was game for regime change in Ukraine.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie
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Treaty of Westphalia in 1648 had a good run but is defunct nowadays. One of the major innovations of the Cold War was proxy non-state actors. In the days of old, the state that harbored such was treated as if that state had committed the acts of war. In the Cold War era, national movements like the Viet Cong, terrorist groups, etc. became deniable pawns used to attack each other within the other's client states. Then you started getting radical Arab states into the game that harbored its own proxy terrorists to fight Israel by committing terrorism everywhere, the IRA with its Libyan/Palestinian ties along with the Commies, and so on.
In Ukraine 2014, you actually saw Westphalian war in a traditional sense provoked by idiots in the West that made a volte face from 2012 to 2014.
Suddenly the Obama administration deeply cared about removing or defeating Putin. The only thing that really changed was Putin blocking external adoptions and suddenly Obama was game for regime change in Ukraine.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 11:12 AM (ctrM5)
Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2025 11:12 AM (GcdCE)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 11:12 AM (VofaG)
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That contractual agreement between two regions that occurred per the terms of the established agreement between the two regions.
Silence, heretic! The external boogeyman is scary. Rawr! You must surrender more freedom to the State in order to protect you from a threat which would have no interest in us if we stopped poking it.
Silence, heretic! The external boogeyman is scary. Rawr! You must surrender more freedom to the State in order to protect you from a threat which would have no interest in us if we stopped poking it.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 11:13 AM (ExV1e)
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33 Sweden: Regrets, I've had a few.
https://t.co/Xe1m1IVQN2
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs
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Paying off the barbarians to stop sacking your town and leave.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba
Danegeld. Except the Swedes are the ones paying this time rather than England.
https://t.co/Xe1m1IVQN2
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs
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Paying off the barbarians to stop sacking your town and leave.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba
Danegeld. Except the Swedes are the ones paying this time rather than England.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 11:13 AM (ctrM5)
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And, they have filled their countries with foreigners that don't work.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 24, 2025 11:13 AM (cvWHI)
Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2025 11:13 AM (GcdCE)
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China's fentanyl is just the first wave of them killing Americans (and everyone else):
https://tinyurl.com/ys34t448
Here's hoping this is China's shooting itself in the foot.
https://tinyurl.com/ys34t448
Here's hoping this is China's shooting itself in the foot.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at April 24, 2025 11:13 AM (Kjgs1)
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I read an interesting article that says the Scandinavian countries have a strong combined military. Sweden provides high tech weaponry such as aircraft, Norway provides sea power, while Finland provides manpower.
I'm not sure the Finns want to be the source of military casualties, but since they have to deal with the Russians anyway, they might as well have some good allies. Putin did NOT help his military case by finally forcing the Nordics to get off the sidelines and join NATO.
I'm not sure the Finns want to be the source of military casualties, but since they have to deal with the Russians anyway, they might as well have some good allies. Putin did NOT help his military case by finally forcing the Nordics to get off the sidelines and join NATO.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 11:13 AM (s8j++)
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Sweden: Regrets, I've had a few.
https://t.co/Xe1m1IVQN2
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at April 24, 2025 11:04 AM (Kjgs1)
Might be doable that way.
I have my doubts.
I strongly suspect clearing out the "guests" of various countries will involve something that looks very much like civil war.
Places like France, Germany, England went all in on an islamic future, apparently without thinking about exactly what that involved.
The upside? Maybe we'll (the US) get great art and religious masterpieces, fine furniture, at a discount price like the Brits did from France after their revolution.
https://t.co/Xe1m1IVQN2
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at April 24, 2025 11:04 AM (Kjgs1)
Might be doable that way.
I have my doubts.
I strongly suspect clearing out the "guests" of various countries will involve something that looks very much like civil war.
Places like France, Germany, England went all in on an islamic future, apparently without thinking about exactly what that involved.
The upside? Maybe we'll (the US) get great art and religious masterpieces, fine furniture, at a discount price like the Brits did from France after their revolution.
Posted by: naturalfake at April 24, 2025 11:13 AM (iJfKG)
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They don't even believe their RUSSIA WILL CONQUER US nonsense.
They keep buying over a trillion $ of Russian oil and gas every year.
Until and unless they stop buying Russian oil and gas, they can go screw themselves with this OMG MUST FIGHT RUSSIA nonsense.
They keep buying over a trillion $ of Russian oil and gas every year.
Until and unless they stop buying Russian oil and gas, they can go screw themselves with this OMG MUST FIGHT RUSSIA nonsense.
Posted by: DudeAbiding at April 24, 2025 11:14 AM (lCHt6)
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I saw someone claim that the problem with Canada is that one-half of the population speaks French, and the other half lets them.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 24, 2025 11:09 AM
To quote Married With Children, "It is wrong...to be French."
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 24, 2025 11:09 AM
To quote Married With Children, "It is wrong...to be French."
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 24, 2025 11:14 AM (Wnv9h)
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‘provide cradle to grave welfare benefits for their citizens.’
And millions that aren’t their citizens.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 24, 2025 11:11 AM (jbnUc)
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They, for one, look forward to their New Islamic Caliphate Overlords.
And millions that aren’t their citizens.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 24, 2025 11:11 AM (jbnUc)
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They, for one, look forward to their New Islamic Caliphate Overlords.
Posted by: ShainS -- at April 24, 2025 11:14 AM (yruun)
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>>Paying off the barbarians to stop sacking your town and leave.
Promise check, then provide bill for all the free services while staying in Sweden, so it comes out that they are good for a free flight home!
Promise check, then provide bill for all the free services while staying in Sweden, so it comes out that they are good for a free flight home!
Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2025 11:15 AM (GcdCE)
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Paying off the barbarians to stop sacking your town and leave.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 24, 2025 11:12 AM (SnGKT)
Well, if it works, it's well worth it.
If it only costs them $60k per family to get them to leave, they're ahead of the game. I can't imagine what they spend on housing, medical, welfare, education, etc. etc. for these migrants.
And $60k is a pretty good incentive. I imagine showing up back in Yemen or whatever with $60k will get you pretty far.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 24, 2025 11:12 AM (SnGKT)
Well, if it works, it's well worth it.
If it only costs them $60k per family to get them to leave, they're ahead of the game. I can't imagine what they spend on housing, medical, welfare, education, etc. etc. for these migrants.
And $60k is a pretty good incentive. I imagine showing up back in Yemen or whatever with $60k will get you pretty far.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 11:15 AM (uCjyK)
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 11:15 AM (77rzZ)
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31 Trump is pissed at Putin... He attacked Kyiv and killed a bunch of people... I don't see "peace" happening... Trump should probably let Europe handle it...
Posted by: It's me donna
Neither Russia nor Ukraine have cared much about killing civilians, even their own. I think Trump is trying to tamp things down so that peace can be made but I think there is no peace there to be found. Best to leave and let what will happen, occur. Ukraine has lost and has to surrender because no one in the West is insane enough to put their own troops on the line to preserve it.
Posted by: It's me donna
Neither Russia nor Ukraine have cared much about killing civilians, even their own. I think Trump is trying to tamp things down so that peace can be made but I think there is no peace there to be found. Best to leave and let what will happen, occur. Ukraine has lost and has to surrender because no one in the West is insane enough to put their own troops on the line to preserve it.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 11:15 AM (ctrM5)
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I strongly suspect clearing out the "guests" of various countries will involve something that looks very much like civil war.
You don't say.
You don't say.
Posted by: 50M Illegals in the US at April 24, 2025 11:16 AM (s8j++)
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Ukraine has lost and has to surrender because no one in the West is insane enough to put their own troops on the line to preserve it.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 11:15 AM (ctrM5)
I agree
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 11:15 AM (ctrM5)
I agree
Posted by: It's me donna at April 24, 2025 11:16 AM (VE6XX)
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Monkey threads are good threads.
Posted by: NR Pax at April 24, 2025 11:16 AM (lXoJ5)
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>> I don't know why we felt the best policy was to rebuild European manufacturing (at the expense of American manufacturing), send god knows how many billions of dollars to god knows who, and make Europe our problem by sticking our noses in to every political situation in Europe since WWII.
US elites got captured by UK elites prior to WWII. Lots of inter-marriage and financial entanglement between NYC and London. America basically inherited the world empire from the Brits, but we had to provide security for the continent.
NATO was just the realization of Churchill’s desire for a United States of Europe.
US elites got captured by UK elites prior to WWII. Lots of inter-marriage and financial entanglement between NYC and London. America basically inherited the world empire from the Brits, but we had to provide security for the continent.
NATO was just the realization of Churchill’s desire for a United States of Europe.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 11:16 AM (/dDa4)
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Two world wars and a century to grow up. Time to start adulting there Europe.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 24, 2025 11:16 AM (W/lyH)
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If it only costs them $60k per family to get them to leave, they're ahead of the game. I can't imagine what they spend on housing, medical, welfare, education, etc. etc. for these migrants.
And $60k is a pretty good incentive. I imagine showing up back in Yemen or whatever with $60k will get you pretty far.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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You have to shut off the pipeline or you simply get new assholes instead of the old assholes.
A return to refugees only get to go to the next adjacent country to apply for refuge. No hop, skip, and jumping via air to places far away.
And $60k is a pretty good incentive. I imagine showing up back in Yemen or whatever with $60k will get you pretty far.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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You have to shut off the pipeline or you simply get new assholes instead of the old assholes.
A return to refugees only get to go to the next adjacent country to apply for refuge. No hop, skip, and jumping via air to places far away.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 11:17 AM (ctrM5)
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It could have been replaced with country by country defense agreements.
Maybe there should be a Constitutional amendment stating the number of countries with which we can be in a military alliance.
Maybe there should be a Constitutional amendment stating the number of countries with which we can be in a military alliance.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 11:17 AM (ExV1e)
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>>PiQSuite
CHINA CUSTOMS:
WILL NO LONGER SUPERVISE GOODS AND ARTICLES INCLUDED IN THE MANAGEMENT OF DRUGS, VETERINARY DRUGS AND MEDICAL DEVICES
WILL NO LONGER SUPERVISE IMPORT AND EXPORT OF MICROBIAL AGENTS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION
Gosh, after sending us tainted good for years and years - toothpaste, dog food, COVID?
Shocking!
Decouple NOW.
CHINA CUSTOMS:
WILL NO LONGER SUPERVISE GOODS AND ARTICLES INCLUDED IN THE MANAGEMENT OF DRUGS, VETERINARY DRUGS AND MEDICAL DEVICES
WILL NO LONGER SUPERVISE IMPORT AND EXPORT OF MICROBIAL AGENTS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION
Gosh, after sending us tainted good for years and years - toothpaste, dog food, COVID?
Shocking!
Decouple NOW.
Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2025 11:17 AM (GcdCE)
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If it only costs them $60k per family to get them to leave, they're ahead of the game. I can't imagine what they spend on housing, medical, welfare, education, etc. etc. for these migrants.
The costs to the social fabric are far higher than that.
The costs to the social fabric are far higher than that.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 11:17 AM (s8j++)
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NATO seems to have plenty of money for expansion. Check a map, 1992 is a good place to start.
Posted by: Francis at April 24, 2025 11:17 AM (bbuBP)
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Places like France, Germany, England went all in on an islamic future, apparently without thinking about exactly what that involved.
Posted by: naturalfake at April 24, 2025 11:13 AM (iJfKG)
Oh, I think the people behind these various schemes had a good idea how it would work out.
But it seems like the Vintage Swedish don't like the New Swedish as much as their leaders would like them to.
Posted by: naturalfake at April 24, 2025 11:13 AM (iJfKG)
Oh, I think the people behind these various schemes had a good idea how it would work out.
But it seems like the Vintage Swedish don't like the New Swedish as much as their leaders would like them to.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 11:17 AM (uCjyK)
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It sucks for the bad guy to win but the world is full of suckage and in most cases there is nothing to be done about it.
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 11:17 AM (jc0TO)
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NATO members are asshoe.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 24, 2025 11:18 AM (ncC2j)
Posted by: Lizzy at April 24, 2025 11:18 AM (GcdCE)
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It sucks for the bad guy to win but the world is full of suckage and in most cases there is nothing to be done about it.
Posted by: toby928
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It would probably be good for NATO to take the L
Posted by: toby928
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It would probably be good for NATO to take the L
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 11:18 AM (6GvqP)
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I guess there's no point saying I wish we'd just pull out of Nato altogther.
It's not going to happen, and it's no more useful than saying I wish Dakota Johnson would show up at my house and ask me to help her pick out her underwear.
It's not going to happen, and it's no more useful than saying I wish Dakota Johnson would show up at my house and ask me to help her pick out her underwear.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2025 11:18 AM (dGCAG)
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NATO should have disbanded with the end of the Soviet Union.
Without the USSR, there is no global threat from Russia.
But a bureaucracy isn't going to give up power simply because their reason for existence is gone.
So we have the leeches still sucking out blood to this day.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at April 24, 2025 11:03 AM (N1tpc)
Either disbanded, or reimagined as a mutual defense bloc against muslim aggression, with Russia and the former Warsaw Pact countries as full members.
Without the USSR, there is no global threat from Russia.
But a bureaucracy isn't going to give up power simply because their reason for existence is gone.
So we have the leeches still sucking out blood to this day.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at April 24, 2025 11:03 AM (N1tpc)
Either disbanded, or reimagined as a mutual defense bloc against muslim aggression, with Russia and the former Warsaw Pact countries as full members.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 24, 2025 11:18 AM (8zz6B)
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39 And, they have filled their countries with foreigners that don't work.
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Still crazy to think that all of the West, at the same time, decided to import welfare recipients from the 3rd world. And no majority ever voted for it. Things like this won't be investigated by the media in the West, they'll never tell us who is behind it and why.
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Still crazy to think that all of the West, at the same time, decided to import welfare recipients from the 3rd world. And no majority ever voted for it. Things like this won't be investigated by the media in the West, they'll never tell us who is behind it and why.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 24, 2025 11:19 AM (Dv3i1)
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You have to shut off the pipeline or you simply get new assholes instead of the old assholes.
It's really surprising that so much has been invested globally into the industrial plant to make a seemingly endless oversupply of assholes.
It's really surprising that so much has been invested globally into the industrial plant to make a seemingly endless oversupply of assholes.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 11:19 AM (s8j++)
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Europe is like a 30 Year old son that doesn't have a job and won't move out of the house. And smokes weed every day.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 11:09 AM (VofaG)
30? Only if you start counting from when the Iron Curtain fell. They were moochers before that.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 11:09 AM (VofaG)
30? Only if you start counting from when the Iron Curtain fell. They were moochers before that.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 24, 2025 11:19 AM (FCbAQ)
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What does the UK spend all that money on?
Laugh all you want but the UK leads the world in theoretical dentistry. They have whole teams of people who spend their entire workday thinking about providing dentistry to the masses... not actually providing it, mind you, but they think about it a lot.
Laugh all you want but the UK leads the world in theoretical dentistry. They have whole teams of people who spend their entire workday thinking about providing dentistry to the masses... not actually providing it, mind you, but they think about it a lot.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 11:19 AM (ExV1e)
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Economic Genius! Let's Have a $50 Minimum Wage! [CBD]
If you take leftwing economic theory to its local conclusion you just set the minimum wage (and welfare) to some absurdly high number and then everyone is rich.
Of course every time they start down this road they spike inflation/costs so that people have more money but that money buys much less.
If you take leftwing economic theory to its local conclusion you just set the minimum wage (and welfare) to some absurdly high number and then everyone is rich.
Of course every time they start down this road they spike inflation/costs so that people have more money but that money buys much less.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:19 AM (t0Rmr)
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It could have been replaced with country by country defense agreements.
Maybe there should be a Constitutional amendment stating the number of countries with which we can be in a military alliance.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 11:17 AM (ExV1e)
Unless Congress declares war, I recommend the number is Zero.
I'm not sure how that would work with South Korea.
Maybe there should be a Constitutional amendment stating the number of countries with which we can be in a military alliance.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 11:17 AM (ExV1e)
Unless Congress declares war, I recommend the number is Zero.
I'm not sure how that would work with South Korea.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 24, 2025 11:20 AM (VNX3d)
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After everything you've lived through and witnessed over the last 10 years, do you think the purpose of NATO is protecting someone / some nation or is laundering money?
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 11:20 AM (6GvqP)
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US elites got captured by UK elites prior to WWII. Lots of inter-marriage and financial entanglement between NYC and London. America basically inherited the world empire from the Brits, but we had to provide security for the continent.
NATO was just the realization of Churchill’s desire for a United States of Europe.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 11:16 AM (/dDa4)
Yeah, it's insidious.
Did no one look at how the British Empire was doing in the 1940's and say "yeah, let's not go down THAT path"?
It's not like there wasn't a glaring contemporaneous example of what happens to countries that try to be the "world police" and have a worldwide empire.
NATO was just the realization of Churchill’s desire for a United States of Europe.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 11:16 AM (/dDa4)
Yeah, it's insidious.
Did no one look at how the British Empire was doing in the 1940's and say "yeah, let's not go down THAT path"?
It's not like there wasn't a glaring contemporaneous example of what happens to countries that try to be the "world police" and have a worldwide empire.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 11:20 AM (uCjyK)
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at April 24, 2025 11:20 AM (Kjgs1)
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Most European countries are in no way our allies.
Britain wants to jail not only their own citizens, but ours as well, for saying things they don't like.
Britain wants to jail not only their own citizens, but ours as well, for saying things they don't like.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:20 AM (t0Rmr)
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The end of Pax Americana would require a new breed of foreign affairs experts and I'm not sure our education system is up to producing them. So far they just crank out lefties and other marxist vermin.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 24, 2025 11:21 AM (W/lyH)
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Europe's been on a steady downhill trajectory ever since the Kaiser dismissed Bismarck, at least.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 11:21 AM (77rzZ)
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You gotta love dinosaur outfits like Heritage though. They won't stop with the Cold War.
Cold War forever! It makes them feel young, like when they used to be able to get their penises more than halfway up.
Cold War forever! It makes them feel young, like when they used to be able to get their penises more than halfway up.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2025 11:21 AM (dGCAG)
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Still crazy to think that all of the West, at the same time, decided to import welfare recipients from the 3rd world. And no majority ever voted for it. Things like this won't be investigated by the media in the West, they'll never tell us who is behind it and why.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 24, 2025 11:19 AM (Dv3i1)
Yeah....imagine that!
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 24, 2025 11:19 AM (Dv3i1)
Yeah....imagine that!
Posted by: WEF at April 24, 2025 11:21 AM (iJfKG)
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Ukraine should have conceded like Afghanistan and fought the guerrilla war like they did or like Chechnya.
But they were Muslim which are like deer ticks.
on that note the Russian population is almost 20% muslim.
But they were Muslim which are like deer ticks.
on that note the Russian population is almost 20% muslim.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 11:21 AM (VofaG)
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We just cannot abolish NATO. If that happened, the Russian Steamroller would roll all the way to the English Channel and then they would be doing the Cossack Dance in Trafalgar Square and then what would happen to our rape gangs, burqa wearing child bearers and dancing boys for pleasure across Europa if that were to happen? Keep Islam safe by keeping NATO strong!
Posted by: Muslims In Europe at April 24, 2025 11:21 AM (+8MS3)
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Waiting for mass arrests, trials, and sentencings.
Let us remember that our side cannot half-ass arrests, trials, and sentencings. We do not have a huge cadre of defense judges ready to throw out charges at a moment's notice.
Let us remember that our side cannot half-ass arrests, trials, and sentencings. We do not have a huge cadre of defense judges ready to throw out charges at a moment's notice.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 11:22 AM (ExV1e)
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Britain wants to jail not only their own citizens, but ours as well, for saying things they don't like.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:20 AM (t0Rmr)
If we don't outlaw communism they will outlaw us. There is no middle ground.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:20 AM (t0Rmr)
If we don't outlaw communism they will outlaw us. There is no middle ground.
Posted by: ... at April 24, 2025 11:22 AM (sBjls)
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Europe is like a 30 Year old son that doesn't have a job and won't move out of the house. And smokes weed every day.
You forgot the "molest kids" part
You forgot the "molest kids" part
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:22 AM (t0Rmr)
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Europe is like a 30 Year old son that doesn't have a job and won't move out of the house. And smokes weed every day.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 11:09 AM (VofaG)
30? Only if you start counting from when the Iron Curtain fell. They were moochers before that.
They're more like old hippie relics of the 60s out for one last fling of destruction by keying a Tesla - which they can't make themselves.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 11:09 AM (VofaG)
30? Only if you start counting from when the Iron Curtain fell. They were moochers before that.
They're more like old hippie relics of the 60s out for one last fling of destruction by keying a Tesla - which they can't make themselves.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 11:22 AM (s8j++)
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Didn't we have this fight yesterday?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2025 11:22 AM (63Dwl)
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The end of Pax Americana would require a new breed of foreign affairs experts and I'm not sure our education system is up to producing them. So far they just crank out lefties and other marxist vermin.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 24, 2025 11:21 AM (W/lyH)
What if those foreign affairs "experts" just tried up and went away, to be replaced by solid, moral men with expertise in border security.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 24, 2025 11:21 AM (W/lyH)
What if those foreign affairs "experts" just tried up and went away, to be replaced by solid, moral men with expertise in border security.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2025 11:22 AM (dGCAG)
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The number I saw was $900 B missing in defense spending since 2020.
Posted by: rhennigantx at April 24, 2025 11:22 AM (gbOdA)
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Still crazy to think that all of the West, at the same time, decided to import welfare recipients from the 3rd world. And no majority ever voted for it. Things like this won't be investigated by the media in the West, they'll never tell us who is behind it and why.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 24, 2025 11:19 AM (Dv3i1)
It was CLEARLY coordinated, and anyone who argues against that is either a liar or an idiot.
But yeah, I doubt we'll ever get the real story here. I imagine it involves a lot of Dr. Evil types in smoke filled rooms in Europe and some half-cocked plan for world domination.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at April 24, 2025 11:19 AM (Dv3i1)
It was CLEARLY coordinated, and anyone who argues against that is either a liar or an idiot.
But yeah, I doubt we'll ever get the real story here. I imagine it involves a lot of Dr. Evil types in smoke filled rooms in Europe and some half-cocked plan for world domination.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 11:22 AM (uCjyK)
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We should have let Germany have all of Europe in WWI.
We never had an interest or need to join that war.
"We have subsidized them ever since World War II, and it is time to force the issue."
And the whole rest of the world too.
Both parties for 80+ years now, have shit on the American citizen, telling him to sit down and shut up--the world needs an endless supply of our treasure and blood.
We never had an interest or need to join that war.
"We have subsidized them ever since World War II, and it is time to force the issue."
And the whole rest of the world too.
Both parties for 80+ years now, have shit on the American citizen, telling him to sit down and shut up--the world needs an endless supply of our treasure and blood.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 24, 2025 11:23 AM (mmNvG)
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If it only costs them $60k per family to get them to leave, they're ahead of the game. I can't imagine what they spend on housing, medical, welfare, education, etc. etc. for these migrants.
The costs to the social fabric are far higher than that.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 11:17 AM (s8j++)
At some point the people of one of the countries of Europe will have to forcibly remove their recent immigrants if they want to survive. It will be done over the objections of the rest of the EU and their own political class, and quite frankly I don't see it happening.
So, either that or kiss Europe goodbye.
Bye Europe! *forest gump wave*
The costs to the social fabric are far higher than that.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 11:17 AM (s8j++)
At some point the people of one of the countries of Europe will have to forcibly remove their recent immigrants if they want to survive. It will be done over the objections of the rest of the EU and their own political class, and quite frankly I don't see it happening.
So, either that or kiss Europe goodbye.
Bye Europe! *forest gump wave*
Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 24, 2025 11:23 AM (FCbAQ)
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Europe is like a 30 Year old son that doesn't have a job and won't move out of the house. And smokes weed every day.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 11:09 AM (VofaG)
Europe is like Bernie Sanders. Never had a real job, spends lots of money, wants to tell you how to live your life.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 11:09 AM (VofaG)
Europe is like Bernie Sanders. Never had a real job, spends lots of money, wants to tell you how to live your life.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 11:23 AM (ExV1e)
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at April 24, 2025 11:24 AM (Kjgs1)
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Back in the late 90's I was part of a US delegation to "market" a sophisticated radar platform to NATO. NATO would buy 5 or so for their fleet as they did with NATO AWACS. Had a senior defense official form one of our "allies" say to me "Why should we buy it? If we ever need it you will bring yours." They also said they would consider it if we gave them all of the source code. Mission failed.
Posted by: dingbat63 at April 24, 2025 11:24 AM (JKcRR)
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Didn't we have this fight yesterday?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
Ginger or Maryanne? Don't we have that fight every day?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
Ginger or Maryanne? Don't we have that fight every day?
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 11:24 AM (77rzZ)
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This is exactly why I ignore the argument made by the anti-tariff crowd that Trump should have structured the tariffs better, or communicated his plan in a different way. Trump 1.0 asked NATO to simply contribute to their defense IN THE WAY THEY AGREED TO IN THE FIRST PLACE, and there was nothing but shrieking from the EU, the Dems and the media that Trump wanted to dissolve the alliance. If this was the way they acted when he said they should live up to chipping in for their own defense, there was nothing he could do or say that would minimize their reaction to tariffs. The WTO, the climate accords - all of it - exists to tie the USA down. That was always the intention, and Trump is finally saying NO.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 24, 2025 11:24 AM (5v+S7)
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88 Didn't we have this fight yesterday?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
And? We've had every fight here 1000x over. The funny thing is that not one mind has been changed in all that time.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
And? We've had every fight here 1000x over. The funny thing is that not one mind has been changed in all that time.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 11:24 AM (s8j++)
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80 You gotta love dinosaur outfits like Heritage though. They won't stop with the Cold War.
Cold War forever! It makes them feel young, like when they used to be able to get their penises more than halfway up.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2025 11:21 AM (dGCAG)
The Cold War was stupid and gay and gave rise to a LOT of the issues we're dealing with today.
Cold War forever! It makes them feel young, like when they used to be able to get their penises more than halfway up.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2025 11:21 AM (dGCAG)
The Cold War was stupid and gay and gave rise to a LOT of the issues we're dealing with today.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 11:24 AM (uCjyK)
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I'm trying to figure out exactly when we went from communism is evil and wrong to communism is fine an preferred.
When did it happen? I'm thinking the very early Obama years. I don't have a marker for it though, and usually I do.
When someone like whig points it out it will be a real duh. But I think it was snuck in rather than presented all at once.
When did it happen? I'm thinking the very early Obama years. I don't have a marker for it though, and usually I do.
When someone like whig points it out it will be a real duh. But I think it was snuck in rather than presented all at once.
Posted by: ... at April 24, 2025 11:24 AM (sBjls)
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Keep Islam safe by keeping NATO strong!
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Oh dang. I hadn't made that association yet, but yeah, you're exactly right.
The same people that insisted we take over Iraq and Afghanistan and occupy the nations because Al Qaeda wasn't strong enough to do it themselves and then we smiled and handed them both over to Al Qaeda are now telling us we need to continue to protect the new Muslim nations of Europe.
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Oh dang. I hadn't made that association yet, but yeah, you're exactly right.
The same people that insisted we take over Iraq and Afghanistan and occupy the nations because Al Qaeda wasn't strong enough to do it themselves and then we smiled and handed them both over to Al Qaeda are now telling us we need to continue to protect the new Muslim nations of Europe.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 11:24 AM (6GvqP)
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After everything you've lived through and witnessed over the last 10 years, do you think the purpose of NATO is protecting someone / some nation or is laundering money?
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 11:20 AM (6GvqP)
Two things that won't happen in my lifetime: We'll get out of Nato. And B, federal government will actually cut spending.
Oh, and 3., Dakota Johnson will not be showing up at my house.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 11:20 AM (6GvqP)
Two things that won't happen in my lifetime: We'll get out of Nato. And B, federal government will actually cut spending.
Oh, and 3., Dakota Johnson will not be showing up at my house.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2025 11:24 AM (dGCAG)
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Didn't we have this fight yesterday?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2025 11:22 AM (63Dwl)
No!
*sucker punchs Cabot*
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 24, 2025 11:22 AM (63Dwl)
No!
*sucker punchs Cabot*
Posted by: naturalfake at April 24, 2025 11:25 AM (iJfKG)
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‘Treaty of Westphalia in 1648 had a good run but is defunct nowadays’
The treaty of Westphalia isn’t defunct and you don’t want it to be. I sure as hell don’t.
A world without nation states is world run by NGOs with open borders.
‘Treaty of Westphalia in 1648 had a good run but is defunct nowadays’
The treaty of Westphalia isn’t defunct and you don’t want it to be. I sure as hell don’t.
A world without nation states is world run by NGOs with open borders.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 24, 2025 11:25 AM (jbnUc)
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Unless Congress declares war, I recommend the number is Zero.
I'm not sure how that would work with South Korea.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf
Yo! Rocket Man. Fart wrong and Pyongyang will be a smoking crater.
I'm not sure how that would work with South Korea.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf
Yo! Rocket Man. Fart wrong and Pyongyang will be a smoking crater.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2025 11:25 AM (aABKF)
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I am opposed to the thing, and I'm not afraid to admit it.
Posted by: Don Black. Message: draft a running back at April 24, 2025 11:25 AM (AOsQT)
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I'm not sure how that would work with South Korea.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 24, 2025 11:20 AM
South Korea is an enigma. If we left the Norks would over run the country in a few weeks and I doubt china would do a thing to stop them.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 24, 2025 11:20 AM
South Korea is an enigma. If we left the Norks would over run the country in a few weeks and I doubt china would do a thing to stop them.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 24, 2025 11:26 AM (e5NfL)
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Didn't we have this fight yesterday?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
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Abe Lincoln was one of the three worst presidents in American history.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.
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Abe Lincoln was one of the three worst presidents in American history.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 11:26 AM (6GvqP)
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You gotta love dinosaur outfits like Heritage though. They won't stop with the Cold War.
Cold War forever! It makes them feel young, like when they used to be able to get their penises more than halfway up.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2025 11:21 AM (dGCAG)
The Cold War was stupid and gay and gave rise to a LOT of the issues we're dealing with today.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 11:24 AM (uCjyK)
I forgive the early Cold Warriors. They thought they were the good guys.
This current batch, they know they're not.
Cold War forever! It makes them feel young, like when they used to be able to get their penises more than halfway up.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2025 11:21 AM (dGCAG)
The Cold War was stupid and gay and gave rise to a LOT of the issues we're dealing with today.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 11:24 AM (uCjyK)
I forgive the early Cold Warriors. They thought they were the good guys.
This current batch, they know they're not.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2025 11:26 AM (dGCAG)
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42 I read an interesting article that says the Scandinavian countries have a strong combined military. Sweden provides high tech weaponry such as aircraft, Norway provides sea power, while Finland provides manpower.
I'm not sure the Finns want to be the source of military casualties, but since they have to deal with the Russians anyway, they might as well have some good allies. Putin did NOT help his military case by finally forcing the Nordics to get off the sidelines and join NATO.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Wars in general are a mixed bag because like Bastiat's broken window thesis, we can claim the benefits of economic actions taken to fix the window but ignore how those funds could have been spent more profitably elsewhere.
And ultimately a tactical victory can come back and bite you in the ass strategically.
I'm not sure the Finns want to be the source of military casualties, but since they have to deal with the Russians anyway, they might as well have some good allies. Putin did NOT help his military case by finally forcing the Nordics to get off the sidelines and join NATO.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Wars in general are a mixed bag because like Bastiat's broken window thesis, we can claim the benefits of economic actions taken to fix the window but ignore how those funds could have been spent more profitably elsewhere.
And ultimately a tactical victory can come back and bite you in the ass strategically.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 11:26 AM (ctrM5)
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I had never heard of Dakota Johnson, so I just image-searched her.
She looks to me like a cross between Zooey Deschanel and young Liv Ullman.
I approve.
She looks to me like a cross between Zooey Deschanel and young Liv Ullman.
I approve.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 11:26 AM (77rzZ)
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Trump is pissed at Putin... He attacked Kyiv and killed a bunch of people... I don't see "peace" happening... Trump should probably let Europe handle it...
Posted by: It's me donna at April 24, 2025 11:11 AM (VE6XX)
Trump should be pissed at Zelensky. He's the one who keeps saying no and throwing up barriers. As long as he insists he's at war with Russia then he's at war with Russia. The fact that Kiev is still standing at all shows tremendous forbearance.
Posted by: It's me donna at April 24, 2025 11:11 AM (VE6XX)
Trump should be pissed at Zelensky. He's the one who keeps saying no and throwing up barriers. As long as he insists he's at war with Russia then he's at war with Russia. The fact that Kiev is still standing at all shows tremendous forbearance.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 11:26 AM (ExV1e)
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I saw a "man on the street video" of what Russians think of Americans.
"Fat" was one of the most common responses.
But a few of them mentioned Americans think they are free but they aren't...unlike Russians.
And you know, in a theoretical sense we are way freer then Russians are. We have a constitution that protects our rights to speech, religion, keep and bear arms, etc.
In a practical sense though? We had a stolen election in 2020, where locked in our homes, had our rights to speech, religion, and all the rest ended because of an "emergency", and saw enemies of the state imprisoned and beaten on bull shit charges.
Now Russia has that too but...the Russian government doesn't want to trans its kids, throw Christians in jail, or fill the country with foreign invaders on welfare...
"Fat" was one of the most common responses.
But a few of them mentioned Americans think they are free but they aren't...unlike Russians.
And you know, in a theoretical sense we are way freer then Russians are. We have a constitution that protects our rights to speech, religion, keep and bear arms, etc.
In a practical sense though? We had a stolen election in 2020, where locked in our homes, had our rights to speech, religion, and all the rest ended because of an "emergency", and saw enemies of the state imprisoned and beaten on bull shit charges.
Now Russia has that too but...the Russian government doesn't want to trans its kids, throw Christians in jail, or fill the country with foreign invaders on welfare...
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:26 AM (t0Rmr)
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NATO should have disbanded with the end of the Soviet Union.
Russia should have been offered a place in it, binding them to the West against the East.
Russia should have been offered a place in it, binding them to the West against the East.
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 11:26 AM (jc0TO)
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At some point the people of one of the countries of Europe will have to forcibly remove their recent immigrants if they want to survive. It will be done over the objections of the rest of the EU and their own political class, and quite frankly I don't see it happening.
The closest we've come is Hungary and Poland, who refused to let them in in the first place. The EU was MOST upset.
The closest we've come is Hungary and Poland, who refused to let them in in the first place. The EU was MOST upset.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 11:26 AM (s8j++)
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Abe Lincoln was one of the three worst presidents in American history.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 11:26 AM (6GvqP)
Don't you mean "history's greatest monster"?
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 11:26 AM (6GvqP)
Don't you mean "history's greatest monster"?
Posted by: ... at April 24, 2025 11:26 AM (sBjls)
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If you take leftwing economic theory to its local conclusion you just set the minimum wage (and welfare) to some absurdly high number and then everyone is rich.
Of course every time they start down this road they spike inflation/costs so that people have more money but that money buys much less.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:19 AM (t0Rmr)
That’s a feature, not a bug. Socialist regimes usually start off with hyperinflation. It destroys stores of wealth, crushes the middle class, and makes everyone dependent on the state for issuance of new currency.
Of course every time they start down this road they spike inflation/costs so that people have more money but that money buys much less.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:19 AM (t0Rmr)
That’s a feature, not a bug. Socialist regimes usually start off with hyperinflation. It destroys stores of wealth, crushes the middle class, and makes everyone dependent on the state for issuance of new currency.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 11:26 AM (/dDa4)
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Abe Lincoln was one of the three worst presidents in American history.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 11:26 AM (6GvqP)
And he preferred Ginger over crossbows.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 11:26 AM (6GvqP)
And he preferred Ginger over crossbows.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2025 11:27 AM (dGCAG)
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Europe's been on a steady downhill trajectory ever since the Kaiser dismissed Bismarck, at least.
Posted by: Bulg
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Even Bismark was not going to be able keep both Austria-Hungary and Russia onside much longer.
Posted by: Bulg
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Even Bismark was not going to be able keep both Austria-Hungary and Russia onside much longer.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 24, 2025 11:27 AM (SnGKT)
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I can dress up, but Ginger can't cook.
Posted by: Mary Ann at April 24, 2025 11:27 AM (qelIc)
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Both the entire EU and Egypt are benefiting from our attacks in Yemen.
The EU tried to fight in the Red Sea, but were quickly outclassed and left. Esp. The German Navy. What a joke.
We do this so Egypt is sweet on us moving Gaza inhabitants to the Sinai.
The EU tried to fight in the Red Sea, but were quickly outclassed and left. Esp. The German Navy. What a joke.
We do this so Egypt is sweet on us moving Gaza inhabitants to the Sinai.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at April 24, 2025 11:27 AM (u82oZ)
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Putin has all the leverage in Ukraine unless Europe or the US directly intervene.
This is why Ukraine should have made peace a year or more ago, ceding the provinces that wanted independence anyway.
Ukraine/Biden intentionally dragged this out, Russia will now demand more.
This is why Ukraine should have made peace a year or more ago, ceding the provinces that wanted independence anyway.
Ukraine/Biden intentionally dragged this out, Russia will now demand more.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:27 AM (t0Rmr)
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I had never heard of Dakota Johnson, so I just image-searched her.
She looks to me like a cross between Zooey Deschanel and young Liv Ullman.
I approve.
Posted by: Bulg
Liv Tyler, I meant, not Liv Ullman.
She looks to me like a cross between Zooey Deschanel and young Liv Ullman.
I approve.
Posted by: Bulg
Liv Tyler, I meant, not Liv Ullman.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 11:27 AM (77rzZ)
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Should have stayed in Sweden when I went visiting there
Except would have been AWOL
Except would have been AWOL
Posted by: Skip at April 24, 2025 11:28 AM (aHfB6)
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Both parties for 80+ years now, have shit on the American citizen, telling him to sit down and shut up--the world needs an endless supply of our treasure and blood.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 24, 2025 11:23 AM (mmNvG)
Yep. And as General Smedley Butler pointed out 90 years ago, war is a racket.
Definitely an interesting book to read, and it shows that these issues have been going on for a lonnnnnng time.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 24, 2025 11:23 AM (mmNvG)
Yep. And as General Smedley Butler pointed out 90 years ago, war is a racket.
Definitely an interesting book to read, and it shows that these issues have been going on for a lonnnnnng time.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 11:28 AM (uCjyK)
Posted by: Don Black. Message: draft a running back at April 24, 2025 11:28 AM (AOsQT)
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If you take leftwing economic theory to its local conclusion you just set the minimum wage (and welfare) to some absurdly high number and then everyone is rich.
Of course every time they start down this road they spike inflation/costs so that people have more money but that money buys much less.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:19 AM (t0Rmr)
If Oakland imposed a 50 dollar/hr minimum wage, I expect nearly all businesses other than owner-operated sole proprietorships, would close, and move away. It would become a ghost town overnight.
Of course every time they start down this road they spike inflation/costs so that people have more money but that money buys much less.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:19 AM (t0Rmr)
If Oakland imposed a 50 dollar/hr minimum wage, I expect nearly all businesses other than owner-operated sole proprietorships, would close, and move away. It would become a ghost town overnight.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 24, 2025 11:28 AM (8zz6B)
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The upside? Maybe we'll (the US) get great art and religious masterpieces, fine furniture, at a discount price like the Brits did from France after their revolution.
Posted by: naturalfake at April 24, 2025 11:13 AM (iJfKG)
Let's save the Cathedrals, too.
If we could move London Bridge here, we can move the cathedrals.
Posted by: naturalfake at April 24, 2025 11:13 AM (iJfKG)
Let's save the Cathedrals, too.
If we could move London Bridge here, we can move the cathedrals.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at April 24, 2025 11:28 AM (N1tpc)
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Abe Lincoln was one of the three worst presidents in American history.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 11:26 AM (6GvqP)
Don't you mean "history's greatest monster"?
Posted by: ...
Oh, brother.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 11:26 AM (6GvqP)
Don't you mean "history's greatest monster"?
Posted by: ...
Oh, brother.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 11:29 AM (77rzZ)
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The closest we've come is Hungary and Poland, who refused to let them in in the first place. The EU was MOST upset.
I see videos of Hungarian/Polish cities and they look like American cities did 70 years ago - mostly clean and safe to walk down.
I see videos of Hungarian/Polish cities and they look like American cities did 70 years ago - mostly clean and safe to walk down.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:29 AM (t0Rmr)
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$900 Billion in missing DOD money? It's probably the E4 Mafia with control of the unit ServMart card, buying socket sets, Dremel tools, and cool pocket knives for themselves and friends.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at April 24, 2025 11:29 AM (gm9Sb)
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‘Putin did NOT help his military case by finally forcing the Nordics to get off the sidelines and join NATO.’
No, he sure didn’t. He also made it worse by making the Germans get off their dead asses.
‘Putin did NOT help his military case by finally forcing the Nordics to get off the sidelines and join NATO.’
No, he sure didn’t. He also made it worse by making the Germans get off their dead asses.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 24, 2025 11:29 AM (jbnUc)
Posted by: naturalfake at April 24, 2025 11:29 AM (iJfKG)
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Tyler, Ullman, whatever it takes...
Posted by: IMDB at April 24, 2025 11:29 AM (qelIc)
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Paying off the barbarians to stop sacking your town and leave.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 24, 2025 11:12 AM (SnGKT)
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Constantinople tried that with Crusaders, iirc, and it didn't work then either.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 24, 2025 11:12 AM (SnGKT)
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Constantinople tried that with Crusaders, iirc, and it didn't work then either.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 24, 2025 11:29 AM (LmUMM)
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Abe Lincoln was one of the three worst presidents in American history.
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Don't you mean "history's greatest monster"?
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Nah, Lincoln was just a tyrant. For my money that's Genghis Khan, but in a complimentary way.
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Don't you mean "history's greatest monster"?
Posted by: ...
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Nah, Lincoln was just a tyrant. For my money that's Genghis Khan, but in a complimentary way.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 11:29 AM (6GvqP)
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Yo! Rocket Man. Fart wrong and Pyongyang will be a smoking crater.
Posted by: rickb223
Good thing for me I never fart wrong. Smells like roses, it does.
Posted by: rickb223
Good thing for me I never fart wrong. Smells like roses, it does.
Posted by: Kim Jong Un at April 24, 2025 11:29 AM (s8j++)
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I had never heard of Dakota Johnson, so I just image-searched her.
She looks to me like a cross between Zooey Deschanel and young Liv Ullman.
I approve.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 11:26 AM (77rzZ)
She was in the 50 Shades movies, which I've never seen. Also had a small part in Black Mass. Most recently, she was the star of Madame Web, which was a massive flop, but when she and Sydney Sweeney were out promoting it, she seemed to have fun with the notion it was a shitty movie, but she and Sydney sure liked showing up in frilly clothing.
She looks to me like a cross between Zooey Deschanel and young Liv Ullman.
I approve.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 11:26 AM (77rzZ)
She was in the 50 Shades movies, which I've never seen. Also had a small part in Black Mass. Most recently, she was the star of Madame Web, which was a massive flop, but when she and Sydney Sweeney were out promoting it, she seemed to have fun with the notion it was a shitty movie, but she and Sydney sure liked showing up in frilly clothing.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2025 11:29 AM (dGCAG)
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This is about us, isn't it?
Posted by: Egyptian pyramids at April 24, 2025 11:30 AM (qelIc)
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>> I forgive the early Cold Warriors. They thought they were the good guys.
Yeah, and shooting commies is always based. The problem is, as demonstrated in Korea and Vietnam, America has no actual interests in defending backwater countries from their own economic stupidity.
Yeah, and shooting commies is always based. The problem is, as demonstrated in Korea and Vietnam, America has no actual interests in defending backwater countries from their own economic stupidity.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 11:30 AM (/dDa4)
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I read an interesting article that says the Scandinavian countries have a strong combined military. Sweden provides high tech weaponry such as aircraft, Norway provides sea power, while Finland provides manpower.
I'm not sure the Finns want to be the source of military casualties, but since they have to deal with the Russians anyway, they might as well have some good allies. Putin did NOT help his military case by finally forcing the Nordics to get off the sidelines and join NATO.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 11:13 AM (s8j++)
The population of Finland is < 6M. Putin didn't "force the Scandis to get off the sideline", they got paid off by Biden to join.
I'm not sure the Finns want to be the source of military casualties, but since they have to deal with the Russians anyway, they might as well have some good allies. Putin did NOT help his military case by finally forcing the Nordics to get off the sidelines and join NATO.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 11:13 AM (s8j++)
The population of Finland is < 6M. Putin didn't "force the Scandis to get off the sideline", they got paid off by Biden to join.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 11:30 AM (ExV1e)
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The treaty of Westphalia isn’t defunct and you don’t want it to be. I sure as hell don’t.
A world without nation states is world run by NGOs with open borders.
Posted by: Dr. Claw
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The Treaty of Westphalia describes a world that is no more. The two World Wars and the ensuing Cold War killed it for better or worse.
So, we maintain our borders and nation but we cannot and should not try to guarantee the borders of other places. That is up to them. We would do better instead of reliance on treaties, to simply act in our own interests in matters of national security and economics.
All treaties ultimately have an expiration date and that is when it makes more sense for a nation to ignore them than comply.
A world without nation states is world run by NGOs with open borders.
Posted by: Dr. Claw
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The Treaty of Westphalia describes a world that is no more. The two World Wars and the ensuing Cold War killed it for better or worse.
So, we maintain our borders and nation but we cannot and should not try to guarantee the borders of other places. That is up to them. We would do better instead of reliance on treaties, to simply act in our own interests in matters of national security and economics.
All treaties ultimately have an expiration date and that is when it makes more sense for a nation to ignore them than comply.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 11:30 AM (ctrM5)
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chine will invade canadia. that's gonna get uncomfy.
Posted by: cmeat at April 24, 2025 11:30 AM (hMrQx)
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Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 11:29 AM (6GvqP)
Hard to ignore Pol Pot.
Hard to ignore Pol Pot.
Posted by: ... at April 24, 2025 11:30 AM (sBjls)
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I saw a "man on the street video" of what Russians think of Americans.
"Fat" was one of the most common responses.
That is a common perception. Remember the Chinese attempt at propaganda when they had all the fat Americans on assembly lines. Others, such as Brits and Germans, also think we're fat (protip: we are). They have apparently not looked around their own countries recently.
"Fat" was one of the most common responses.
That is a common perception. Remember the Chinese attempt at propaganda when they had all the fat Americans on assembly lines. Others, such as Brits and Germans, also think we're fat (protip: we are). They have apparently not looked around their own countries recently.
Posted by: Kim Jong Un at April 24, 2025 11:31 AM (s8j++)
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Four keyed cars, good.
One keyed car, bad.
https://tinyurl.com/2nzxb6rx
Unhumans.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at April 24, 2025 11:20 AM (Kjgs1)
Tanned, rested, and ready. And clearly needed.
One keyed car, bad.
https://tinyurl.com/2nzxb6rx
Unhumans.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at April 24, 2025 11:20 AM (Kjgs1)
Tanned, rested, and ready. And clearly needed.
Posted by: Judge Lynch at April 24, 2025 11:31 AM (8zz6B)
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2025 11:31 AM (dGCAG)
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Did any countries align with the Soviets after Vietnam?
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 11:31 AM (jc0TO)
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I imagine showing up back in Yemen or whatever with $60k will get you pretty far.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 11:15 AM (uCjyK)
Sure thing. I pocket $60K, go back to Yemen, then immediately start my trek to Finland, or Norway, and see what they'll pay me to leave.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 11:15 AM (uCjyK)
Sure thing. I pocket $60K, go back to Yemen, then immediately start my trek to Finland, or Norway, and see what they'll pay me to leave.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 11:31 AM (ExV1e)
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I agree with a lot of the members of the horde on a subject and then they go off on a Reason like tangent and I go WTF?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 11:31 AM (VofaG)
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We don't need no stinking habeas corpus!
Posted by: A. Lincoln at April 24, 2025 11:32 AM (qelIc)
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This is about us, isn't it?
Posted by: Egyptian pyramids at April 24, 2025 11:30 AM (qelIc)
Only the ones built by ancient aliens.
Posted by: Egyptian pyramids at April 24, 2025 11:30 AM (qelIc)
Only the ones built by ancient aliens.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2025 11:32 AM (dGCAG)
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 24, 2025 11:32 AM (SnGKT)
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China might anex Canada
Posted by: Skip at April 24, 2025 11:32 AM (aHfB6)
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Others, such as Brits and Germans, also think we're fat (protip: we are).
Primate please, People of Girth.
Primate please, People of Girth.
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 11:32 AM (jc0TO)
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Ukraine has lost and has to surrender because no one in the West is insane enough to put their own troops on the line to preserve it.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 11:15 AM (ctrM5)
Ukraine lost on day one. The only reason it's still going on is because Boris Johnson got Zelensky to tear up the draft agreement with Russia.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 11:15 AM (ctrM5)
Ukraine lost on day one. The only reason it's still going on is because Boris Johnson got Zelensky to tear up the draft agreement with Russia.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 11:33 AM (ExV1e)
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I forgive the early Cold Warriors. They thought they were the good guys.
This current batch, they know they're not.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2025 11:26 AM (dGCAG)
Some did, I'm sure.
But many wanted to keep the gravy train rolling from WWII. There was a lot of skimming and scamming going on back then and a lot of money was ebbing and flowing in to a lot of peoples pockets.
Eisenhower and the military industrial complex and all that.
We have never NOT had a constant war / enemy / foreign policy thing that needs MOAR MONEY since we got involved in WWII.
Maybe a brief lull between end of the Cold War and beginning of the Endless War on Terror. But even then, we were still adventuring around militarily.
This current batch, they know they're not.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2025 11:26 AM (dGCAG)
Some did, I'm sure.
But many wanted to keep the gravy train rolling from WWII. There was a lot of skimming and scamming going on back then and a lot of money was ebbing and flowing in to a lot of peoples pockets.
Eisenhower and the military industrial complex and all that.
We have never NOT had a constant war / enemy / foreign policy thing that needs MOAR MONEY since we got involved in WWII.
Maybe a brief lull between end of the Cold War and beginning of the Endless War on Terror. But even then, we were still adventuring around militarily.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 11:33 AM (uCjyK)
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It's not going to happen, and it's no more useful than saying I wish Dakota Johnson would show up at my house and ask me to help her pick out her underwear.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2025 11:18 AM (dGCAG)
🥺
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2025 11:18 AM (dGCAG)
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Posted by: Dakota Johnson, dejectedly walking away with her bottle of massage oil at April 24, 2025 11:33 AM (/dDa4)
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 11:34 AM (s8j++)
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But yeah, I doubt we'll ever get the real story here. I imagine it involves a lot of Dr. Evil types in smoke filled rooms in Europe and some half-cocked plan for world domination.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 11:22 AM (uCjyK)
Yes! Yes! You will eat zee bugs and love it! Yes! Yes! Oh Yes!
(rubs flaccid old man penis to a half erect state, takes a selfie to prove it and shares the photo with his friends)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 11:22 AM (uCjyK)
Yes! Yes! You will eat zee bugs and love it! Yes! Yes! Oh Yes!
(rubs flaccid old man penis to a half erect state, takes a selfie to prove it and shares the photo with his friends)
Posted by: Klaus Schwab, WEF sex pest, weirdo and pervert at April 24, 2025 11:34 AM (+8MS3)
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 11:34 AM (6GvqP)
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No one has explained why if Russia took over all of Europe, that would be bad.
It's always just assumed it's bad.
Bad for who? Not us.
Their elites, yes.
Their people, no. They'll have more freedom.
It's always just assumed it's bad.
Bad for who? Not us.
Their elites, yes.
Their people, no. They'll have more freedom.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 24, 2025 11:34 AM (mmNvG)
Posted by: ... at April 24, 2025 11:34 AM (sBjls)
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 11:34 AM (77rzZ)
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It's not going to happen, and it's no more useful than saying I wish Dakota Johnson would show up at my house and ask me to help her pick out her underwear.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2025 11:18 AM (dGCAG)
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Posted by: Dakota Johnson, dejectedly walking away with her bottle of massage oil at April 24, 2025 11:33 AM (/dDa4)
If it's really you, I will give you my address over the internet. I'm at work, but you can stop by any time. Break a window if you have to. The alarm is turned off.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2025 11:18 AM (dGCAG)
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Posted by: Dakota Johnson, dejectedly walking away with her bottle of massage oil at April 24, 2025 11:33 AM (/dDa4)
If it's really you, I will give you my address over the internet. I'm at work, but you can stop by any time. Break a window if you have to. The alarm is turned off.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2025 11:35 AM (dGCAG)
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I see videos of Hungarian/Polish cities and they look like American cities did 70 years ago - mostly clean and safe to walk down.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:29 AM (t0Rmr)
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My anecotal understanding is that you similarly see many children out walking with their parents or playing in the streets -- another throwback to a mere half century-plus ago.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:29 AM (t0Rmr)
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My anecotal understanding is that you similarly see many children out walking with their parents or playing in the streets -- another throwback to a mere half century-plus ago.
Posted by: ShainS -- at April 24, 2025 11:35 AM (+p/RF)
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It sucks for the bad guy to win but the world is full of suckage and in most cases there is nothing to be done about it.
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 11:17 AM (jc0TO)
Putin isn't the bad guy. Whatever jackass is in charge of US intelligence that engineered all this is the bad guy.
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 11:17 AM (jc0TO)
Putin isn't the bad guy. Whatever jackass is in charge of US intelligence that engineered all this is the bad guy.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 11:35 AM (ExV1e)
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The population of Finland is
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
Not so much. Russia has demonstrated that borders do not matter to them much and the invasion of Ukraine made Finland (who has fought them multiple times since the Russian Empire imploded) decided to join. Same with Sweden.
Russia is not an innocent here which too many people use binary logic. Putin good or Putin bad. Putin is simply out for what he views as his state's interests and treaties, etc. be damned if they get into his way. He ain't a blushing innocent victim here nor is Russian interference in Eastern Europe historically even under the Czars.
So, invading Ukraine unified Eastern European opposition to Russia as a result. Whether that will stick, it is up to the Euros to provide their own damn defense.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
Not so much. Russia has demonstrated that borders do not matter to them much and the invasion of Ukraine made Finland (who has fought them multiple times since the Russian Empire imploded) decided to join. Same with Sweden.
Russia is not an innocent here which too many people use binary logic. Putin good or Putin bad. Putin is simply out for what he views as his state's interests and treaties, etc. be damned if they get into his way. He ain't a blushing innocent victim here nor is Russian interference in Eastern Europe historically even under the Czars.
So, invading Ukraine unified Eastern European opposition to Russia as a result. Whether that will stick, it is up to the Euros to provide their own damn defense.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 11:35 AM (ctrM5)
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 11:35 AM (s8j++)
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That is a common perception. Remember the Chinese attempt at propaganda when they had all the fat Americans on assembly lines. Others, such as Brits and Germans, also think we're fat (protip: we are). They have apparently not looked around their own countries recently.
Posted by: Kim Jong Un at April 24, 2025 11:31 AM (s8j++)
Hey, we're working on it, okay? RFK Jr. is making us healthy again!
Posted by: Kim Jong Un at April 24, 2025 11:31 AM (s8j++)
Hey, we're working on it, okay? RFK Jr. is making us healthy again!
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 11:35 AM (uCjyK)
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Russia is a gas station.
Posted by: With nukes on submarines at April 24, 2025 11:35 AM (qelIc)
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Jim Acosta and Don Lemon tell each other we're good enough, we're smart enough, and, dog gone it, people like us.
https://shorturl.at/YR1CS
https://shorturl.at/YR1CS
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 24, 2025 11:36 AM (L/fGl)
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WTH. That's twice. Something is awry. It couldn't possibly be my cut and paste skilz.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 11:36 AM (s8j++)
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We don't need no stinking habeas corpus!
Posted by: A. Lincoln at April 24, 2025 11:32 AM (qelIc)
I will habeas your corpus!
Posted by: A. Lincoln at April 24, 2025 11:32 AM (qelIc)
I will habeas your corpus!
Posted by: J.W.B. at April 24, 2025 11:36 AM (dGCAG)
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Putin is indisputably a bad guy. The question is whether that is anything effecting our national interest.
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 11:36 AM (jc0TO)
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It's mostly our "poor people ' that are fat.
And by poor I mean only having two cars , less than a 70" TV and only one smart phone. Our poor are their middle class.
And by poor I mean only having two cars , less than a 70" TV and only one smart phone. Our poor are their middle class.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 11:36 AM (VofaG)
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Now Russia has that too but...the Russian government doesn't want to trans its kids, throw Christians in jail, or fill the country with foreign invaders on welfare...
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:26 AM (t0Rmr)
And Russians can keep bears as pets. How cool is that?
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:26 AM (t0Rmr)
And Russians can keep bears as pets. How cool is that?
Posted by: Judge Lynch at April 24, 2025 11:36 AM (8zz6B)
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@91
>>It was CLEARLY coordinated, and anyone who argues against that is either a liar or an idiot.
The entire economic world order is predicated on unending growth, growth in populations, growth in government, growth in services, growth in budgets, etc. which in turn will lead to growth in the economy and economic activity.
You can't have growth without more people, and if you are not producing people indigenously then you must create them exogenously.
The main problem is that the growth required to keep the plates spinning is unstainable and destabilizing.
>>It was CLEARLY coordinated, and anyone who argues against that is either a liar or an idiot.
The entire economic world order is predicated on unending growth, growth in populations, growth in government, growth in services, growth in budgets, etc. which in turn will lead to growth in the economy and economic activity.
You can't have growth without more people, and if you are not producing people indigenously then you must create them exogenously.
The main problem is that the growth required to keep the plates spinning is unstainable and destabilizing.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 24, 2025 11:37 AM (XV/Pl)
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And Russians can keep bears as pets. How cool is that?
Posted by: Judge Lynch
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What's so special about that?
- Millions of people around San Francisco, L.A., etc
Posted by: Judge Lynch
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What's so special about that?
- Millions of people around San Francisco, L.A., etc
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 11:37 AM (6GvqP)
181
Presentism should only be a drug taken by the Left.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 11:38 AM (VofaG)
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Putin isn't the bad guy. Whatever jackass is in charge of US intelligence that engineered all this is the bad guy.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
Putin and Russia itself historically are not the good guys either. They simply have a more basic view of their state's interests. They interfere in other country's internal affairs, send out proxys like the Wagner to kill people for cash, and other nasty things. And have done so throughout history aka the Great Game, and so on.
It is always best to understand that at the end of the day, nations are going to act in their perceived best interests including US and that those perceived interests will change over time.
Read more Kenneth Waltz is my recommendation.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
Putin and Russia itself historically are not the good guys either. They simply have a more basic view of their state's interests. They interfere in other country's internal affairs, send out proxys like the Wagner to kill people for cash, and other nasty things. And have done so throughout history aka the Great Game, and so on.
It is always best to understand that at the end of the day, nations are going to act in their perceived best interests including US and that those perceived interests will change over time.
Read more Kenneth Waltz is my recommendation.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 11:38 AM (ctrM5)
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8 Sweden: Regrets, I've had a few.
https://t.co/Xe1m1IVQN2
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey
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In part, "The plan comes in response to the country’s ongoing challenges with migrant integration, particularly for those with permanent residency who remain outside the workforce or social mainstream.
Migrants—primarily from Islamic countries—not only rely on Sweden’s generous welfare system at disproportionately high rates compared to native-born Swedes, but are also significantly overrepresented in violent crime statistics."
And, "To discourage fraud or exploitation, the proposal includes “extensive control measures,” Forssell emphasized. Only migrants relocating outside the EU, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein, and Switzerland will be eligible. Additionally, authorities will track recipients to ensure they don’t attempt to return and keep the funds."
Note: "...particularly those with permanent residency"
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It'll turn into a money pit. Hopefully, the US won't be chasing them around, too, if they somehow come for vacation through the Visa Waiver Program.
https://t.co/Xe1m1IVQN2
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey
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In part, "The plan comes in response to the country’s ongoing challenges with migrant integration, particularly for those with permanent residency who remain outside the workforce or social mainstream.
Migrants—primarily from Islamic countries—not only rely on Sweden’s generous welfare system at disproportionately high rates compared to native-born Swedes, but are also significantly overrepresented in violent crime statistics."
And, "To discourage fraud or exploitation, the proposal includes “extensive control measures,” Forssell emphasized. Only migrants relocating outside the EU, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein, and Switzerland will be eligible. Additionally, authorities will track recipients to ensure they don’t attempt to return and keep the funds."
Note: "...particularly those with permanent residency"
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It'll turn into a money pit. Hopefully, the US won't be chasing them around, too, if they somehow come for vacation through the Visa Waiver Program.
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at April 24, 2025 11:39 AM (NFX2v)
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Genghis Khan was no more of a monster than anyone else back then. He was just better at it.
Also, the Kwarizmians deserved what they got. Those people were nuts. The great khan sent traders and envoys to his new neighbors trying to be friends, and they stole all their trade goods and sent him back body parts. FAFO.
Also, the Kwarizmians deserved what they got. Those people were nuts. The great khan sent traders and envoys to his new neighbors trying to be friends, and they stole all their trade goods and sent him back body parts. FAFO.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 24, 2025 11:39 AM (VoAdT)
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Ukraine should have conceded like Afghanistan and fought the guerrilla war like they did or like Chechnya.
Except that the "occupied" portions of Ukraine voted to join Russia in accordance with the treaty agreed to when the USSR disbanded... so why would they fight a guerrilla war?
Except that the "occupied" portions of Ukraine voted to join Russia in accordance with the treaty agreed to when the USSR disbanded... so why would they fight a guerrilla war?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 11:39 AM (ExV1e)
186
Putin is indisputably a bad guy. The question is whether that is anything effecting our national interest.
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 11:36 AM (jc0TO)
All politicians are bad guys. We don't need to go halfway around the world looking for them.
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 11:36 AM (jc0TO)
All politicians are bad guys. We don't need to go halfway around the world looking for them.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 24, 2025 11:39 AM (dGCAG)
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Compared to previous Russian leaders Putin is Mother Teresa.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 11:39 AM (VofaG)
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A brief review of our country indeed reveals it truly IS the most exceptional on the planet. We're populated by an extraordinary people, who by virtue of our political system, unique in history, have evolved into a breed apart. Along the way we've met and prevailed over issues that can and have destroyed lesser nations and sport an unbroken record of success in these matters.
It's become over time a part of our heritage to continue the struggle of our predecessors of ensuring that our Republic endures, this instance we face now will end in the same manner as before, I'm totally convinced. So I recommend you fasten the seat belts, the ride is going to get pretty sporty.
It's become over time a part of our heritage to continue the struggle of our predecessors of ensuring that our Republic endures, this instance we face now will end in the same manner as before, I'm totally convinced. So I recommend you fasten the seat belts, the ride is going to get pretty sporty.
Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at April 24, 2025 11:40 AM (hKoQL)
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Lincoln's response on habeas corpus:
Must I shoot a simple-minded soldier boy who deserts, while I must not touch a hair of a wily agitator who induces him to desert? I think in such a case to silence the agitator and save the boy is not only constitutional, but withal, a great mercy.
Must I shoot a simple-minded soldier boy who deserts, while I must not touch a hair of a wily agitator who induces him to desert? I think in such a case to silence the agitator and save the boy is not only constitutional, but withal, a great mercy.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 24, 2025 11:40 AM (SnGKT)
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You can't have growth without more people, and if you are not producing people indigenously then you must create them exogenously.
The main problem is that the growth required to keep the plates spinning is unstainable and destabilizing.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 24, 2025 11:37 AM (XV/Pl)
That's all true, but it's also true that it's not an organic thing that our birth rate has declined.
There has been non-stop propaganda to young women to not marry and have kids. Or to focus on a career first, then find Mr. Wonderful when you're 35, and have kids then.
Not to mention government policies here and abroad that make it difficult for the middle class to have kids.
But as you say -- the entire premise that we need unending economic and population growth is stupid and makes no sense. Even if it were possible, at some point we outpace the carrying capacity of the earth. And who the hell wants to live on a planet where we're all in mega cities living in tiny apartments with 8 kids?
The main problem is that the growth required to keep the plates spinning is unstainable and destabilizing.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at April 24, 2025 11:37 AM (XV/Pl)
That's all true, but it's also true that it's not an organic thing that our birth rate has declined.
There has been non-stop propaganda to young women to not marry and have kids. Or to focus on a career first, then find Mr. Wonderful when you're 35, and have kids then.
Not to mention government policies here and abroad that make it difficult for the middle class to have kids.
But as you say -- the entire premise that we need unending economic and population growth is stupid and makes no sense. Even if it were possible, at some point we outpace the carrying capacity of the earth. And who the hell wants to live on a planet where we're all in mega cities living in tiny apartments with 8 kids?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 11:40 AM (uCjyK)
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The end of Pax Americana would require a new breed of foreign affairs experts and I'm not sure our education system is up to producing them.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 24, 2025 11:21 AM (W/lyH)
As I understand it, the "Passport Bros" have foreign affairs figured out.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 24, 2025 11:21 AM (W/lyH)
As I understand it, the "Passport Bros" have foreign affairs figured out.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 11:41 AM (ExV1e)
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States aren't allowed to leave the union, and now you have to re-join the union.
Wait...
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 11:34 AM (6GvqP)
States aren’t allowed to leave the Union, though. The Constitution had no provision for “what happens when states start a war against the Federal government, lose, and have to be pacified and re-admitted to the Union.”
Wait...
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 11:34 AM (6GvqP)
States aren’t allowed to leave the Union, though. The Constitution had no provision for “what happens when states start a war against the Federal government, lose, and have to be pacified and re-admitted to the Union.”
Posted by: Dakota Johnson, dejectedly walking away with her bottle of massage oil at April 24, 2025 11:41 AM (/dDa4)
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It's not feasible to find good guys to be in charge.
The goal is to make bad people have to do good things.
The goal is to make bad people have to do good things.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 24, 2025 11:41 AM (ky8PV)
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f I could save the Union without shooting a simple-minded soldier boy who deserts, I would do it, and if I could save it by shooting all the simple-minded soldier boys, I would do it, and if I could save it by shooting some and leaving others alone, I would also do that.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 11:42 AM (6GvqP)
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But many wanted to keep the gravy train rolling from WWII. There was a lot of skimming and scamming going on back then and a lot of money was ebbing and flowing in to a lot of peoples pockets.
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The lowest moral in the US Army among top officers in WWII was when they heard Germany was about to fall.
They were absolutely despondent and crestfallen.
Then they invented the "brushfire" theory of endless wars and they've been making American boys dance to their death jig every since while they clap and sing.
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The lowest moral in the US Army among top officers in WWII was when they heard Germany was about to fall.
They were absolutely despondent and crestfallen.
Then they invented the "brushfire" theory of endless wars and they've been making American boys dance to their death jig every since while they clap and sing.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 24, 2025 11:42 AM (mmNvG)
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117
‘Don't you mean "history's greatest monster"?’
Haha. God. What a load of crap. Who was saying that?
‘Don't you mean "history's greatest monster"?’
Haha. God. What a load of crap. Who was saying that?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 24, 2025 11:42 AM (jbnUc)
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States aren't allowed to leave the union, and now you have to re-join the union.
Wait...
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 11:34 AM (6GvqP)
States aren’t allowed to leave the Union, though. The Constitution had no provision for “what happens when states start a war against the Federal government, lose, and have to be pacified and re-admitted to the Union.”
Posted by: Dakota Johnson
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Sorry Dakota, I'm taken.
Wait...
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 11:34 AM (6GvqP)
States aren’t allowed to leave the Union, though. The Constitution had no provision for “what happens when states start a war against the Federal government, lose, and have to be pacified and re-admitted to the Union.”
Posted by: Dakota Johnson
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Sorry Dakota, I'm taken.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 11:42 AM (6GvqP)
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Except that the "occupied" portions of Ukraine voted to join Russia in accordance with the treaty agreed to when the USSR disbanded... so why would they fight a guerrilla war?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 11:39 AM (ExV1e)
Because now Russia will likely occupy a lot more than that. The shoe would now be on the other foot in those ethnic Russian territories.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 11:39 AM (ExV1e)
Because now Russia will likely occupy a lot more than that. The shoe would now be on the other foot in those ethnic Russian territories.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 11:43 AM (VofaG)
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It's not feasible to find good guys to be in charge.
The goal is to make bad people have to do good things.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 24, 2025 11:41 AM
or at least to stay away from us and our interests.
The goal is to make bad people have to do good things.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 24, 2025 11:41 AM
or at least to stay away from us and our interests.
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 11:43 AM (jc0TO)
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Putin has been running Russia for 30 years. If he’d wanted to take over a Poland he would have done it already. But this fear mongering works on imbeciles in America and Europe to keep nato and its graft fully funded.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 24, 2025 11:43 AM (ncC2j)
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Ukraine was never going to prevail in a straight up war.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 11:43 AM (VofaG)
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There has been non-stop propaganda to young women to not marry and have kids. Or to focus on a career first, then find Mr. Wonderful when you're 35, and have kids then.
On the whatever podcast one of the male guests mentioned that female fertility drops after 28...which is true.
All of the female guests disagreed and they came to a conclusion that this can't be true because they knew some female celeb had just been in the news for having a child after 40.
It is amazing how many things moderns don't know that everyone knew a couple of generations ago. We've experienced a great unlearning...
On the whatever podcast one of the male guests mentioned that female fertility drops after 28...which is true.
All of the female guests disagreed and they came to a conclusion that this can't be true because they knew some female celeb had just been in the news for having a child after 40.
It is amazing how many things moderns don't know that everyone knew a couple of generations ago. We've experienced a great unlearning...
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:44 AM (t0Rmr)
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NATO should have disbanded with the end of the Soviet Union.
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Russia should have been offered a place in it, binding them to the West against the East.
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 11:26 AM (jc0TO)
Russia asked to join. We told them no.
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Russia should have been offered a place in it, binding them to the West against the East.
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 11:26 AM (jc0TO)
Russia asked to join. We told them no.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 11:44 AM (ExV1e)
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Russia asked to join. We told them no.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 11:44 AM
The Bush clan remains a chancre on America.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 11:44 AM
The Bush clan remains a chancre on America.
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 11:45 AM (jc0TO)
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‘We do this so Egypt is sweet on us moving Gaza inhabitants to the Sinai.’
I’m not a fan of Egypt but making them take the Gazans is like making them take a flaming sack of dog crap on their porch.
‘We do this so Egypt is sweet on us moving Gaza inhabitants to the Sinai.’
I’m not a fan of Egypt but making them take the Gazans is like making them take a flaming sack of dog crap on their porch.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 24, 2025 11:45 AM (jbnUc)
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 24, 2025 11:45 AM (i24o9)
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Ukraine/Biden intentionally dragged this out, Russia will now demand more.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:27 AM (t0Rmr)
I saw a headline that Putin had proposed peace based on the current front lines... which are pretty close to where they've been for a while... because Russia has held the areas Russia cared about since the start.
Zelensky said that Russia had to return Crimea.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:27 AM (t0Rmr)
I saw a headline that Putin had proposed peace based on the current front lines... which are pretty close to where they've been for a while... because Russia has held the areas Russia cared about since the start.
Zelensky said that Russia had to return Crimea.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 11:46 AM (ExV1e)
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Because now Russia will likely occupy a lot more than that. The shoe would now be on the other foot in those ethnic Russian territories.
In every election where Eastern Ukraine was given a vote they voted for closer ties to Russia and weaker ties with the EU
So there are two things at play here - there are ethnic Russians in a couple of provinces, but then there are a much larger number of "Ukrainians" that don't want to be part of Globohomo either.
Vlad isn't going to take Western Ukraine, but due to Biden/Lil Z intentionally drawing out the war he might now demand more land in the Russian-favoring regions or perhaps a split between East/West Ukraine.
Because now Russia will likely occupy a lot more than that. The shoe would now be on the other foot in those ethnic Russian territories.
In every election where Eastern Ukraine was given a vote they voted for closer ties to Russia and weaker ties with the EU
So there are two things at play here - there are ethnic Russians in a couple of provinces, but then there are a much larger number of "Ukrainians" that don't want to be part of Globohomo either.
Vlad isn't going to take Western Ukraine, but due to Biden/Lil Z intentionally drawing out the war he might now demand more land in the Russian-favoring regions or perhaps a split between East/West Ukraine.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:47 AM (t0Rmr)
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But as you say -- the entire premise that we need unending economic and population growth is stupid and makes no sense. Even if it were possible, at some point we outpace the carrying capacity of the earth. And who the hell wants to live on a planet where we're all in mega cities living in tiny apartments with 8 kids?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 11:40 AM (uCjyK)
Thankfully, we don’t need unending economic and population growth. Our native population is sub-replacement levels, which isn’t so bad. And we’re still very wealthy.
I’d rather live in a nice country where people are decent, the social fabric isn’t destroyed, we’re not overrun by hostile foreigners, people who work can take care of their families, and my kid can go to a track meet without being stabbed by an “aspiring heart surgeon”. That’s more important to me than “line go up”, GDP-at-all-costs “growth.”
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 11:40 AM (uCjyK)
Thankfully, we don’t need unending economic and population growth. Our native population is sub-replacement levels, which isn’t so bad. And we’re still very wealthy.
I’d rather live in a nice country where people are decent, the social fabric isn’t destroyed, we’re not overrun by hostile foreigners, people who work can take care of their families, and my kid can go to a track meet without being stabbed by an “aspiring heart surgeon”. That’s more important to me than “line go up”, GDP-at-all-costs “growth.”
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 11:47 AM (/dDa4)
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There has been non-stop propaganda to young women to not marry and have kids. Or to focus on a career first, then find Mr. Wonderful when you're 35, and have kids then.
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Some early signs indicate GenZ may be rebelling against this. Too early to say for sure since most GenZ is still too young. But there’s hope.
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Some early signs indicate GenZ may be rebelling against this. Too early to say for sure since most GenZ is still too young. But there’s hope.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 24, 2025 11:47 AM (ncC2j)
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I’m not a fan of Egypt but making them take the Gazans is like making them take a flaming sack of dog crap on their porch.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 24, 2025 11:45 AM
Nonetheless, Gaza was a better place when it was full of Egyptians.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 24, 2025 11:45 AM
Nonetheless, Gaza was a better place when it was full of Egyptians.
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 11:47 AM (jc0TO)
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187 Compared to previous Russian leaders Putin is Mother Teresa.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
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Alexander II was pretty good until assassinated by proto commie anarchists.
But the fact that Putin does not so far do much more than a standard autocrat, killing his opposition, does not make him a saint. He equates the state's interests with his own which is always a problem when that leader weakens inevitably and dies.
Tito, by all accounts, was a ruthless and tough enough leader to tell the Soviets to fuck off and hold his disparate nation together via coercion and bribes. He died, the country flew apart.
Xi acts in his own interests as well including territorial gains and client state acquisition that Russia is now too poor to finance.
So, what are we to expect? Nations will act in their own self interest to the degree that their internal cohesion and external power plus geography lets them do so.
We ran a natural experiment with multinational treaties in the past century or so. And we learned, that when a paper treaty ignores power realities on the ground, that that nation will happily trample on that treaty in order to get the slightest advantage.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
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Alexander II was pretty good until assassinated by proto commie anarchists.
But the fact that Putin does not so far do much more than a standard autocrat, killing his opposition, does not make him a saint. He equates the state's interests with his own which is always a problem when that leader weakens inevitably and dies.
Tito, by all accounts, was a ruthless and tough enough leader to tell the Soviets to fuck off and hold his disparate nation together via coercion and bribes. He died, the country flew apart.
Xi acts in his own interests as well including territorial gains and client state acquisition that Russia is now too poor to finance.
So, what are we to expect? Nations will act in their own self interest to the degree that their internal cohesion and external power plus geography lets them do so.
We ran a natural experiment with multinational treaties in the past century or so. And we learned, that when a paper treaty ignores power realities on the ground, that that nation will happily trample on that treaty in order to get the slightest advantage.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 11:47 AM (ctrM5)
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On the whatever podcast one of the male guests mentioned that female fertility drops after 28...which is true.
All of the female guests disagreed and they came to a conclusion that this can't be true because they knew some female celeb had just been in the news for having a child after 40.
It is amazing how many things moderns don't know that everyone knew a couple of generations ago. We've experienced a great unlearning...
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:44 AM (t0Rmr)
It's a rise in, "I don't like this fact therefore it doesn't actually exist."
All of the female guests disagreed and they came to a conclusion that this can't be true because they knew some female celeb had just been in the news for having a child after 40.
It is amazing how many things moderns don't know that everyone knew a couple of generations ago. We've experienced a great unlearning...
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:44 AM (t0Rmr)
It's a rise in, "I don't like this fact therefore it doesn't actually exist."
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 24, 2025 11:47 AM (KbCG3)
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If Putin is a bad guy, why does the left have nothing but praise for the leaders of Iran?
Which is to say, their definition of "bad" isn't based on virtuous principles.
And I'm not bound by "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" such that I have to agree with the left when they call Putin a bad guy.
Which is to say, their definition of "bad" isn't based on virtuous principles.
And I'm not bound by "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" such that I have to agree with the left when they call Putin a bad guy.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 24, 2025 11:47 AM (mmNvG)
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Russia asked to join. We told them no.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 11:44 AM
The Bush clan remains a chancre on America.
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 11:45 AM (jc0TO)
I would buy a farm just to bet the farm that at the time you wouldn't have been for letting Russia join NATO.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 11:44 AM
The Bush clan remains a chancre on America.
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 11:45 AM (jc0TO)
I would buy a farm just to bet the farm that at the time you wouldn't have been for letting Russia join NATO.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 11:48 AM (VofaG)
Posted by: tsar vladimir i at April 24, 2025 11:48 AM (sGtp+)
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Zelenskyi wants Crimea...Hamas wants Jerusalem...everybody wants something
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 11:48 AM (g47mK)
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Butt-Gigitty, not just transportation any more!
John Hasson@SonofHas
Pete Buttigieg says there’s a “discount” for adopting Black kids (Around 1:15)
He catches himself and then says he means there’s no deposit, but…YIKES
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You find them in the bargain bin.
John Hasson@SonofHas
Pete Buttigieg says there’s a “discount” for adopting Black kids (Around 1:15)
He catches himself and then says he means there’s no deposit, but…YIKES
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You find them in the bargain bin.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 24, 2025 11:49 AM (L/fGl)
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Zelenskyi wants Crimea...Hamas wants Jerusalem...everybody wants something
Posted by: runner
I want pie.
Posted by: runner
I want pie.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 24, 2025 11:49 AM (L/fGl)
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92 We should have let Germany have all of Europe in WWI.
Imperial Germany was no worse than any other European monarchy. WW1 was the classic example of how elite classes get stupid if they are fat and happy for decades. No real reason for it, did not happen in any way all their experts foretold, and ended up ruining their system and then the cleanup was also bungled and led to another catastrophic war that finished ruining them.
Imperial Germany was no worse than any other European monarchy. WW1 was the classic example of how elite classes get stupid if they are fat and happy for decades. No real reason for it, did not happen in any way all their experts foretold, and ended up ruining their system and then the cleanup was also bungled and led to another catastrophic war that finished ruining them.
Posted by: azjaeger at April 24, 2025 11:50 AM (3/XaG)
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The population of Finland is
Uh huh.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 11:34 AM (s8j++)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland
5,635,971 - from the 2024 census. You can ignore this if you want but that's the data.
Uh huh.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 11:34 AM (s8j++)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland
5,635,971 - from the 2024 census. You can ignore this if you want but that's the data.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 11:50 AM (ExV1e)
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We don't need no stinking habeas corpus!
Posted by: A. Lincoln
*fist bump*
-- J. Davis
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 11:34 AM
Hey don't forget about me and the Trail of Tears.
Posted by: A. Lincoln
*fist bump*
-- J. Davis
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 11:34 AM
Hey don't forget about me and the Trail of Tears.
Posted by: Andrew Jackson at April 24, 2025 11:50 AM (e5NfL)
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‘we maintain our borders and nation but we cannot and should not try to guarantee the borders of other places.’
I agree but that’s a far cry from what I thought you were saying. Our nation state is the only thing keeping us from being a second class minority in a world run by the shithole coalition and their masters.
‘we maintain our borders and nation but we cannot and should not try to guarantee the borders of other places.’
I agree but that’s a far cry from what I thought you were saying. Our nation state is the only thing keeping us from being a second class minority in a world run by the shithole coalition and their masters.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 24, 2025 11:51 AM (jbnUc)
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Crazy Ivan.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 24, 2025 11:51 AM (e5NfL)
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But as you say -- the entire premise that we need unending economic and population growth is stupid and makes no sense. Even if it were possible, at some point we outpace the carrying capacity of the earth. And who the hell wants to live on a planet where we're all in mega cities living in tiny apartments with 8 kids?
You're obviously calling for genocide.
\sarc
You're obviously calling for genocide.
\sarc
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 11:51 AM (s8j++)
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All of the female guests disagreed and they came to a conclusion that this can't be true because they knew some female celeb had just been in the news for having a child after 40.
And not one of those ladies are as rich as that celebrity who can afford the finest of medical care to prevent complications. I swear I get ready to throw things at my monitor when I listen to them.
And not one of those ladies are as rich as that celebrity who can afford the finest of medical care to prevent complications. I swear I get ready to throw things at my monitor when I listen to them.
Posted by: NR Pax at April 24, 2025 11:51 AM (lXoJ5)
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On the whatever podcast one of the male guests mentioned that female fertility drops after 28...which is true.
All of the female guests disagreed and they came to a conclusion that this can't be true because they knew some female celeb had just been in the news for having a child after 40.
It is amazing how many things moderns don't know that everyone knew a couple of generations ago. We've experienced a great unlearning...
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:44 AM (t0Rmr)
It's so true. A girl I was dating a few years ago was shocked by two things her doctor told her (she was in her early / mid 30's)
1) if she ever wanted to have kids, she had to get off hormonal birth control soon, because she had been on it for almost 20 years, and that can cause all kinds of issues if you do decide to have kids. No one ever told my ex girlfriend that, apparently.
and
2) if she were to get pregnant soonish, she would be considered a "geriatric pregnancy" and would likely be considered higher risk. No one had ever told her that either.
I was like "uhh..."
Nice girl, really smart... But she was one of those women who bought the bullshit.
All of the female guests disagreed and they came to a conclusion that this can't be true because they knew some female celeb had just been in the news for having a child after 40.
It is amazing how many things moderns don't know that everyone knew a couple of generations ago. We've experienced a great unlearning...
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:44 AM (t0Rmr)
It's so true. A girl I was dating a few years ago was shocked by two things her doctor told her (she was in her early / mid 30's)
1) if she ever wanted to have kids, she had to get off hormonal birth control soon, because she had been on it for almost 20 years, and that can cause all kinds of issues if you do decide to have kids. No one ever told my ex girlfriend that, apparently.
and
2) if she were to get pregnant soonish, she would be considered a "geriatric pregnancy" and would likely be considered higher risk. No one had ever told her that either.
I was like "uhh..."
Nice girl, really smart... But she was one of those women who bought the bullshit.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 11:51 AM (uCjyK)
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I will settle for an evening with Karen Gillan.
Posted by: ... at April 24, 2025 11:52 AM (sBjls)
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>> But the fact that Putin does not so far do much more than a standard autocrat, killing his opposition, does not make him a saint. He equates the state's interests with his own which is always a problem when that leader weakens inevitably and dies.
He’s no saint, but he actually seems motivated to protect his people and keep his country decent.
Given how most western politicians despise their populations and want to destroy them with drugs, homosexuality, communism, and mass immigration, it’s kind of refreshing to see someone who fights to protect his borders.
I still think he’s a bad guy, but compared to Hillary Clinton or Pierre Trudeau or Ursula Von Derlyin’?
He’s no saint, but he actually seems motivated to protect his people and keep his country decent.
Given how most western politicians despise their populations and want to destroy them with drugs, homosexuality, communism, and mass immigration, it’s kind of refreshing to see someone who fights to protect his borders.
I still think he’s a bad guy, but compared to Hillary Clinton or Pierre Trudeau or Ursula Von Derlyin’?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 11:52 AM (/dDa4)
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We don't need no stinking habeas corpus!
Posted by: A. Lincoln
*fist bump*
-- J. Davis
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 11:34 AM
Hey don't forget about me and the Trail of Tears.
Posted by: Andrew Jackson at April 24, 2025 11:50 AM (e5NfL)
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"Dudes."
-FDR
Posted by: A. Lincoln
*fist bump*
-- J. Davis
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 11:34 AM
Hey don't forget about me and the Trail of Tears.
Posted by: Andrew Jackson at April 24, 2025 11:50 AM (e5NfL)
---
"Dudes."
-FDR
Posted by: WitchDoktor at April 24, 2025 11:52 AM (ky8PV)
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most celebrities over 40 have a kid by a surrogate.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 11:52 AM (VofaG)
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50. Neither Russia nor Ukraine have cared much about killing civilians, even their own. I think Trump is trying to tamp things down so that peace can be made but I think there is no peace there to be found. Best to leave and let what will happen, occur. Ukraine has lost and has to surrender because no one in the West is insane enough to put their own troops on the line to preserve it.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025
Agree. 👍 Enough.
Does the US State Department's The National Guard's State Partnership Program have "low-key deployments by citizen-soldiers" currently in Ukraine? /R & because IDK.
See: US Department of Defense, State Partnership Program Turns 30: A Crucial Arrow in Ukraine's Quiver
July 17, 2023 | By Army Master Sgt. Jim Greenhill, Army Sgt. 1st Class Zach Sheely, National Guard Bureau
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025
Agree. 👍 Enough.
Does the US State Department's The National Guard's State Partnership Program have "low-key deployments by citizen-soldiers" currently in Ukraine? /R & because IDK.
See: US Department of Defense, State Partnership Program Turns 30: A Crucial Arrow in Ukraine's Quiver
July 17, 2023 | By Army Master Sgt. Jim Greenhill, Army Sgt. 1st Class Zach Sheely, National Guard Bureau
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at April 24, 2025 11:53 AM (NFX2v)
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As bad as our media is Europe media is 100x worse. The average Euro truly believes every American is one serious cold away from financial ruin due to our health care system. And we all carry m-16s around looking for people to shoot for fun. Shit like that’s ingrained from birth. Not unlike how every Palestinian thinks Jews are the devil.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 24, 2025 11:53 AM (ncC2j)
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I object to the Germans having any military whatsoever. Over the 19th and 20th centuries, they caused the death of millions and came this close to ending Western Civilization. F em. The US and Russia should maintain a joint occupation force. The last thing the world needs is Prussians with guns.
Posted by: Going deep. Out. at April 24, 2025 11:53 AM (23/y9)
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Putin is far from the worst of the bad guys in power around the world these days. The Mullahs and Xi are several times worse.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 11:53 AM (77rzZ)
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On the whatever podcast one of the male guests mentioned that female fertility drops after 28...which is true.
All of the female guests disagreed and they came to a conclusion that this can't be true because they knew some female celeb had just been in the news for having a child after 40.
It is amazing how many things moderns don't know that everyone knew a couple of generations ago. We've experienced a great unlearning...
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:44 AM
My cousin got pregnant on purpose at 48. Her doctor was furious. Luckily her son was born without issues. The doctor reminded her that a woman is born with every egg she is ever going to have and those eggs start aging quick when women hit their mid twenties.
All of the female guests disagreed and they came to a conclusion that this can't be true because they knew some female celeb had just been in the news for having a child after 40.
It is amazing how many things moderns don't know that everyone knew a couple of generations ago. We've experienced a great unlearning...
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:44 AM
My cousin got pregnant on purpose at 48. Her doctor was furious. Luckily her son was born without issues. The doctor reminded her that a woman is born with every egg she is ever going to have and those eggs start aging quick when women hit their mid twenties.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 24, 2025 11:54 AM (e5NfL)
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We should have let Germany have all of Europe in WWI.
I think that fucking Belgium won the war against Germany and lost the peace of Europe in the process.
If they hadn't delayed the Germans for a month, they Hun would have taken Paris and the war would have been over with the usual European settlements. France would have paid some money and the borders would have been adjusted a bit, maybe a colony or two would have changed hands, the usual over there.
Instead we got socialists of both the national and international variety to burn the world down.
I think that fucking Belgium won the war against Germany and lost the peace of Europe in the process.
If they hadn't delayed the Germans for a month, they Hun would have taken Paris and the war would have been over with the usual European settlements. France would have paid some money and the borders would have been adjusted a bit, maybe a colony or two would have changed hands, the usual over there.
Instead we got socialists of both the national and international variety to burn the world down.
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 11:54 AM (jc0TO)
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Zelenskyi wants Crimea...Hamas wants Jerusalem...everybody wants something
Posted by: runner
I want pie.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
I just want to be left alone.
Posted by: runner
I want pie.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
I just want to be left alone.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 24, 2025 11:54 AM (aABKF)
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Zelenskyi wants Crimea...Hamas wants Jerusalem...everybody wants something
Posted by: runner
I demand simple, easy, cheap, quick solutions to all my problems!
Posted by: runner
I demand simple, easy, cheap, quick solutions to all my problems!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 24, 2025 11:54 AM (L/fGl)
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The only country in history that must constantly prostate itself for its moral failings--as defined only by modern practices, rather than the mores at the time--is the United States.
The left hates Make America Great Again.
Because they prefer Make America Beggars Again.
Begging for scraps.
Begging for forgiveness.
Begging from them.
The left hates Make America Great Again.
Because they prefer Make America Beggars Again.
Begging for scraps.
Begging for forgiveness.
Begging from them.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at April 24, 2025 11:54 AM (mmNvG)
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I always enjoy the part where I'm supposed to be bothered by something that someone who WASN'T the President of the United States did.
I mean, I get the point of the attempt, but it's still comical.
I mean, I get the point of the attempt, but it's still comical.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Were you taught the absurd lie that new animals lived on the Galapagos Islands? at April 24, 2025 11:54 AM (SsQQd)
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Nice girl, really smart... But she was one of those women who bought the bullshit.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
They go through life thinking that fertility is just an on/off switch that they can control and nothing bad will happen. And trying to explain otherwise gets you branded as part of the "patriarchy."
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
They go through life thinking that fertility is just an on/off switch that they can control and nothing bad will happen. And trying to explain otherwise gets you branded as part of the "patriarchy."
Posted by: NR Pax at April 24, 2025 11:55 AM (lXoJ5)
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Russia asked to join. We told them no.
Gee, I wonder why. Could it be that NATO won't act without consensus, and that Russia would thereby neuter it? Nah, that couldn't be it.
The population of Finland is
Uh huh.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 11:34 AM (s8j++)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland
5,635,971 - from the 2024 census. You can ignore this if you want but that's the data.
I'm not arguing about the population, I just screwed up the cut and paste, twice. I was referring to the bit about Putin didn't "force the Scandis to get off the sideline", they got paid off by Biden to join.. That's absurd. They joined NATO because they felt threatened. It wasn't a coincidence that that happened immediately after Vlad got frisky in Ukraine.
Gee, I wonder why. Could it be that NATO won't act without consensus, and that Russia would thereby neuter it? Nah, that couldn't be it.
The population of Finland is
Uh huh.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 11:34 AM (s8j++)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland
5,635,971 - from the 2024 census. You can ignore this if you want but that's the data.
I'm not arguing about the population, I just screwed up the cut and paste, twice. I was referring to the bit about Putin didn't "force the Scandis to get off the sideline", they got paid off by Biden to join.. That's absurd. They joined NATO because they felt threatened. It wasn't a coincidence that that happened immediately after Vlad got frisky in Ukraine.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 11:55 AM (s8j++)
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Putin and Russia itself historically are not the good guys either.
Historically is irrelevant. If a mass murderer saves a baby from a housefire started by an arsonist, he is a bad guy but he isn't the bad guy in this scenario. Putin can be the 3rd greatest shithead in all of recorded history but that doesn't change the fact that he isn't the bad guy where this specific issue is concerned.
And all the people who's minds aren't changed on the matter despite the volumes of information provided by several of us in these comments over the years since this started won't make him the bad guy where this specific issue is concerned.
Historically is irrelevant. If a mass murderer saves a baby from a housefire started by an arsonist, he is a bad guy but he isn't the bad guy in this scenario. Putin can be the 3rd greatest shithead in all of recorded history but that doesn't change the fact that he isn't the bad guy where this specific issue is concerned.
And all the people who's minds aren't changed on the matter despite the volumes of information provided by several of us in these comments over the years since this started won't make him the bad guy where this specific issue is concerned.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 11:55 AM (ExV1e)
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and my kid can go to a track meet without being stabbed by an “aspiring heart surgeon”.
Funny how that has been vaporized from the news.
Funny Queer not Funny Haha.
Funny how that has been vaporized from the news.
Funny Queer not Funny Haha.
Posted by: Karl Childers at April 24, 2025 11:55 AM (+8MS3)
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Thankfully, we don’t need unending economic and population growth. Our native population is sub-replacement levels, which isn’t so bad. And we’re still very wealthy.
I’d rather live in a nice country where people are decent, the social fabric isn’t destroyed, we’re not overrun by hostile foreigners, people who work can take care of their families, and my kid can go to a track meet without being stabbed by an “aspiring heart surgeon”. That’s more important to me than “line go up”, GDP-at-all-costs “growth.”
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 11:47 AM (/dDa4)
Sounds like you're describing Japan.
But I agree, I think GDP numbers going up should be the primary focus of a nation. It's just not a great tool to begin with, and also, ultimately what matters is the happiness of the people (in the way you describe), not the amount of spending being done in a country.
I’d rather live in a nice country where people are decent, the social fabric isn’t destroyed, we’re not overrun by hostile foreigners, people who work can take care of their families, and my kid can go to a track meet without being stabbed by an “aspiring heart surgeon”. That’s more important to me than “line go up”, GDP-at-all-costs “growth.”
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 11:47 AM (/dDa4)
Sounds like you're describing Japan.
But I agree, I think GDP numbers going up should be the primary focus of a nation. It's just not a great tool to begin with, and also, ultimately what matters is the happiness of the people (in the way you describe), not the amount of spending being done in a country.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 11:55 AM (uCjyK)
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I object to the Germans having any military whatsoever. Over the 19th and 20th centuries, they caused the death of millions and came this close to ending Western Civilization. F em. The US and Russia should maintain a joint occupation force. The last thing the world needs is Prussians with guns.
The Europe that had some positives for the world destroyed itself in 1914.
What is left has been a blight on humanity for a century now.
The Europe that had some positives for the world destroyed itself in 1914.
What is left has been a blight on humanity for a century now.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:55 AM (t0Rmr)
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Were you taught the absurd lie that new animals lived on the Galapagos Islands? at April 24, 2025 11:55 AM (SsQQd)
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189 Lincoln's response on habeas corpus:
Must I shoot a simple-minded soldier boy who deserts, while I must not touch a hair of a wily agitator who induces him to desert? I think in such a case to silence the agitator and save the boy is not only constitutional, but withal, a great mercy.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba
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Lincoln's problem was that Milligan and Vallandingham ended up living after the Civil War ended while Lincoln got shot dead.
Victory by Federal troops in the South did more to collapse the Copperheads than Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus.
Same happened in the War of 1812, except it was Yankee states moving to secede (Hartford Convention) that collapsed after the Battle of New Orleans and peace treaty was announced.
Must I shoot a simple-minded soldier boy who deserts, while I must not touch a hair of a wily agitator who induces him to desert? I think in such a case to silence the agitator and save the boy is not only constitutional, but withal, a great mercy.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba
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Lincoln's problem was that Milligan and Vallandingham ended up living after the Civil War ended while Lincoln got shot dead.
Victory by Federal troops in the South did more to collapse the Copperheads than Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus.
Same happened in the War of 1812, except it was Yankee states moving to secede (Hartford Convention) that collapsed after the Battle of New Orleans and peace treaty was announced.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 11:55 AM (ctrM5)
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Others have mentioned it here but worth repeating. Nobody in the west had any real issues with Putin for a long time. Until he forbade foreign gays from adopting Russian kids.
That was the catalyst that turned him from Eastern European Russian leader who is corrupt (like all of them) to worse than Hitler.
That was the catalyst that turned him from Eastern European Russian leader who is corrupt (like all of them) to worse than Hitler.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 24, 2025 11:56 AM (ncC2j)
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The last thing the world needs is Prussians with guns.
Posted by: Going deep. Out.
______
Most of Prussia is now in Poland.
Posted by: Going deep. Out.
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Most of Prussia is now in Poland.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 24, 2025 11:56 AM (SnGKT)
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The last thing the world needs is Prussians with guns.
Good thing there are no real Prussians left, then.
Good thing there are no real Prussians left, then.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 11:56 AM (s8j++)
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>> Pete Buttigieg says there’s a “discount” for adopting Black kids (Around 1:15)
He catches himself and then says he means there’s no deposit, but…YIKES
Latest price list, Mr. B:
8 year-old black boy: $20,000
8 year-old white boy: $40,000
8 year-old virgin black boy: $60,000
He catches himself and then says he means there’s no deposit, but…YIKES
Latest price list, Mr. B:
8 year-old black boy: $20,000
8 year-old white boy: $40,000
8 year-old virgin black boy: $60,000
Posted by: Wayfair at April 24, 2025 11:56 AM (/dDa4)
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The doctor reminded her that a woman is born with every egg she is ever going to have
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At 11 weeks in the womb IIRC
But we can't talk about that or else someone might realize what's being done to women.
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At 11 weeks in the womb IIRC
But we can't talk about that or else someone might realize what's being done to women.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Were you taught the absurd lie that new animals lived on the Galapagos Islands? at April 24, 2025 11:56 AM (SsQQd)
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You know, Russia can establish buffer zones without an agreement with that stupid cvnt Zelenskyy. And still have arrangements with the US along other, multiple tracks. Japan never recognized USSR's control over certain islands in the Far East, yet life goes on. Most of the fish in Japan comes from Russia/Russian fisheries. (or so I was told0. Zelenskyy is not looking out for Ukraine, or world peace. He is trying to assure his political survival.
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 11:56 AM (g47mK)
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Vigilante justice in the Bronx.
https://tinyurl.com/ysxffrhe
Zombie Charles Bronson just smiled.
https://tinyurl.com/ysxffrhe
Zombie Charles Bronson just smiled.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 24, 2025 11:57 AM (i24o9)
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Not unlike how every Palestinian thinks Jews are the devil.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 24, 2025 11:53 AM (ncC2j)
Our stereotypes of Europeans are mostly just silly. True, but silly.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 24, 2025 11:53 AM (ncC2j)
Our stereotypes of Europeans are mostly just silly. True, but silly.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 24, 2025 11:57 AM (VoAdT)
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I'm trying to figure out the counter arguments. Does anyone believe Russia is stronger now, no matter the geographical lines, than they were in 2020 or 2010?
US support for Ukraine seems to run in three veins: anti Trump, making money from it, and/or Cold Warriors trying turn Russia into a spent force.
The third one is the only one worth talking about, and I think we've done all we can do on that front in any case. Is there any good argument to continue that conflict?
US support for Ukraine seems to run in three veins: anti Trump, making money from it, and/or Cold Warriors trying turn Russia into a spent force.
The third one is the only one worth talking about, and I think we've done all we can do on that front in any case. Is there any good argument to continue that conflict?
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at April 24, 2025 11:57 AM (pIfcn)
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The Europe that had some positives for the world destroyed itself in 1914.
What is left has been a blight on humanity for a century now.
Posted by: 18-1
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NO argument here. Nihilistic death cult is what they have become.
What is left has been a blight on humanity for a century now.
Posted by: 18-1
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NO argument here. Nihilistic death cult is what they have become.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 11:58 AM (ctrM5)
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Good thing there are no real Prussians left, then.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 11:56 AM
We all moved to West Texas.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 11:56 AM
We all moved to West Texas.
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 11:58 AM (jc0TO)
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Others have mentioned it here but worth repeating. Nobody in the west had any real issues with Putin for a long time. Until he forbade foreign gays from adopting Russian kids.
In 2012 one of the campaign issues was American relations with Russia.
Obama's platform was they are our friends and he would be able to help them more if re-elected. Mittens argued they were still an enemy. The FNM absolutely tore Mittens apart for that arguing he was stuck in the cold war.
In 2012 one of the campaign issues was American relations with Russia.
Obama's platform was they are our friends and he would be able to help them more if re-elected. Mittens argued they were still an enemy. The FNM absolutely tore Mittens apart for that arguing he was stuck in the cold war.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:58 AM (t0Rmr)
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2) if she were to get pregnant soonish, she would be considered a "geriatric pregnancy" and would likely be considered higher risk. No one had ever told her that either.
I was like "uhh..."
Nice girl, really smart... But she was one of those women who bought the bullshit.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 11:51 AM (uCjyK)
Ha. My wife, who turned 40 in February, offhand mentioned how she wouldn't mind having another kid.
I asked if she really wanted to be associated with the term "geriatric." I received a look.
I was like "uhh..."
Nice girl, really smart... But she was one of those women who bought the bullshit.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 11:51 AM (uCjyK)
Ha. My wife, who turned 40 in February, offhand mentioned how she wouldn't mind having another kid.
I asked if she really wanted to be associated with the term "geriatric." I received a look.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at April 24, 2025 11:58 AM (KbCG3)
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>> Pete Buttigieg says there’s a “discount” for adopting Black kids (Around 1:15)
He catches himself and then says he means there’s no deposit, but…YIKES
Latest price list, Mr. B:
8 year-old black boy: $20,000
8 year-old white boy: $40,000
8 year-old virgin black boy: $60,000
Posted by: Wayfair at April 24, 2025 11:56 AM (/dDa4)
Kanye West: $20, same as in town.
He catches himself and then says he means there’s no deposit, but…YIKES
Latest price list, Mr. B:
8 year-old black boy: $20,000
8 year-old white boy: $40,000
8 year-old virgin black boy: $60,000
Posted by: Wayfair at April 24, 2025 11:56 AM (/dDa4)
Kanye West: $20, same as in town.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 24, 2025 11:58 AM (i24o9)
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 24, 2025 11:58 AM (pZ64F)
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I would buy a farm just to bet the farm that at the time you wouldn't have been for letting Russia join NATO.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 11:48 AM (VofaG)
You'd lose a farm.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 11:48 AM (VofaG)
You'd lose a farm.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 11:58 AM (ExV1e)
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Our stereotypes of Europeans are mostly just silly. True, but silly.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 24, 2025 11:57 AM (VoAdT)
I spent a fair amount of time throughout the continent. The stereotypes are fairly accurate. Does every Frenchman wear a beret? No. But they do love them some fucking baguette. lol.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 24, 2025 11:57 AM (VoAdT)
I spent a fair amount of time throughout the continent. The stereotypes are fairly accurate. Does every Frenchman wear a beret? No. But they do love them some fucking baguette. lol.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 24, 2025 11:59 AM (ncC2j)
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Our stereotypes of Europeans are mostly just silly. True, but silly.
And they're just so much fun.
And they're just so much fun.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 24, 2025 12:00 PM (s8j++)
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The problem is, as demonstrated in Korea and Vietnam, America has no actual interests in defending backwater countries from their own economic stupidity.
The actual problem of Vietnam was agreeing to bail out the French.
The actual problem of Vietnam was agreeing to bail out the French.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 24, 2025 12:00 PM (2ocoG)
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Others have mentioned it here but worth repeating. Nobody in the west had any real issues with Putin for a long time. Until he forbade foreign gays from adopting Russian kids.
In 2012 one of the campaign issues was American relations with Russia.
Obama's platform was they are our friends and he would be able to help them more if re-elected. Mittens argued they were still an enemy. The FNM absolutely tore Mittens apart for that arguing he was stuck in the cold war.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:58 AM (t0Rmr)
Romney was stuck in the Cold War, Obama and the FNM was right, but not for reasons that are preeminent at the time or now.
In 2012 one of the campaign issues was American relations with Russia.
Obama's platform was they are our friends and he would be able to help them more if re-elected. Mittens argued they were still an enemy. The FNM absolutely tore Mittens apart for that arguing he was stuck in the cold war.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:58 AM (t0Rmr)
Romney was stuck in the Cold War, Obama and the FNM was right, but not for reasons that are preeminent at the time or now.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 24, 2025 12:00 PM (i24o9)
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NATO should have ended the day the Soviet Union dissolved.
And the first test of whether it was worth anything during the WoT showed that it wasn't.
Turkey wouldn't give us military passage rights and outside of Britain our other "allies" spent more time trying to put American soldiers on trial then trying to help us win the war.
And the first test of whether it was worth anything during the WoT showed that it wasn't.
Turkey wouldn't give us military passage rights and outside of Britain our other "allies" spent more time trying to put American soldiers on trial then trying to help us win the war.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 12:00 PM (t0Rmr)
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I'm beginning to realize encouraging geriatric pregnancy in our young women is akin to child abuse if not outright child abuse.
The kid might be okay. But if it's not, the choice to put it off in order to have her pay decades of taxes first saddles that child with 80 years of physical and mental struggles.
That's brilliant if you subscribe to the belief that abortion is pushed as a sacrificial offering to the old black gods like Moloch, btw. Imagine encouraging human suffering at the level that you get young women to purposely have broken and deformed children, and celebrate that they're doing it.
The kid might be okay. But if it's not, the choice to put it off in order to have her pay decades of taxes first saddles that child with 80 years of physical and mental struggles.
That's brilliant if you subscribe to the belief that abortion is pushed as a sacrificial offering to the old black gods like Moloch, btw. Imagine encouraging human suffering at the level that you get young women to purposely have broken and deformed children, and celebrate that they're doing it.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Were you taught the absurd lie that new animals lived on the Galapagos Islands? at April 24, 2025 12:01 PM (SsQQd)
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I was born when my mother was 46.
But, having given birth to five previous children, she'd had a lot of practice by that point.
But, having given birth to five previous children, she'd had a lot of practice by that point.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 12:01 PM (77rzZ)
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Last night on the ONT, people were speculating whether a certain manhole, propelled by an underground nuclear bomb test in Nevada, could have made it into orbit. If so, it would have beat the USSR Soyuz satellite into space. Whether it did or not, the USA had already launched rockets into space from White Sands NM just after WWII. To quote from an online source:
The first rocket to enter outer space was a two-stage rocket launched on February 24, 1949, from the White Sands Proving Grounds in New Mexico in the United States. It was a combination of the American WAC Corporal rocket and the Nazi V-2.
I have some pictures in early rocketry books of white rats floating in microgravity from those shots. Also there is a picture from space from that program:
https://is.gd/w1grN3
The first rocket to enter outer space was a two-stage rocket launched on February 24, 1949, from the White Sands Proving Grounds in New Mexico in the United States. It was a combination of the American WAC Corporal rocket and the Nazi V-2.
I have some pictures in early rocketry books of white rats floating in microgravity from those shots. Also there is a picture from space from that program:
https://is.gd/w1grN3
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at April 24, 2025 12:01 PM (bIzDl)
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No one has explained why if Russia took over all of Europe, that would be bad.
It's always just assumed it's bad.
Bad for who? Not us.
Their elites, yes.
Their people, no. They'll have more freedom.
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I so agree. The UK would be better under Russian rule.
It's always just assumed it's bad.
Bad for who? Not us.
Their elites, yes.
Their people, no. They'll have more freedom.
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I so agree. The UK would be better under Russian rule.
Posted by: Crusader at April 24, 2025 12:02 PM (TN0g+)
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And we all carry m-16s around looking for people to shoot for fun.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 24, 2025 11:53 AM (ncC2j)
I am OK with Euros having this misconception.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 24, 2025 11:53 AM (ncC2j)
I am OK with Euros having this misconception.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 24, 2025 12:02 PM (i24o9)
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Zelenskyy is not looking out for Ukraine, or world peace. He is trying to assure his political survival.
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 11:56 AM
He just wants to stay in power to cash in on the grift as long as he can. Unfortunately for him the US money train has been turned off for at least the next three years. His grifting chickens are coming home to roost.
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 11:56 AM
He just wants to stay in power to cash in on the grift as long as he can. Unfortunately for him the US money train has been turned off for at least the next three years. His grifting chickens are coming home to roost.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 24, 2025 12:02 PM (e5NfL)
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Our stereotypes of Europeans are mostly just silly. True, but silly.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 24, 2025 11:57 AM (VoAdT)
I used to use their non-tipping mindset to compare to the generous mindset of America but since a lot of restaurants automatically add the tip in now Ive changed my mind. Damn that aggravates the hell out of me even though it saves me money.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 24, 2025 11:57 AM (VoAdT)
I used to use their non-tipping mindset to compare to the generous mindset of America but since a lot of restaurants automatically add the tip in now Ive changed my mind. Damn that aggravates the hell out of me even though it saves me money.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 12:02 PM (VofaG)
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The problem is, as demonstrated in Korea and Vietnam, America has no actual interests in defending backwater countries from their own economic stupidity.
I'd argue that the problem in Korea is there was no plan to win the war after MacArthur was benched.
In Vietnam Diem was critical because pretty much all of the rest of the SV leadership were a bunch of crooks with no interest in building a country so when JFK let Diem be assassinated he doomed the country.
I'd argue that the problem in Korea is there was no plan to win the war after MacArthur was benched.
In Vietnam Diem was critical because pretty much all of the rest of the SV leadership were a bunch of crooks with no interest in building a country so when JFK let Diem be assassinated he doomed the country.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 12:02 PM (t0Rmr)
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‘Pete Buttigieg says there’s a “discount” for adopting Black kids (Around 1:15)’
Hahahahahaha!!
Good Lord. To be black and hear some fairy talk buying your kids at a discount.
‘Pete Buttigieg says there’s a “discount” for adopting Black kids (Around 1:15)’
Hahahahahaha!!
Good Lord. To be black and hear some fairy talk buying your kids at a discount.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 24, 2025 12:02 PM (jbnUc)
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258 I'm trying to figure out the counter arguments. Does anyone believe Russia is stronger now, no matter the geographical lines, than they were in 2020 or 2010?
US support for Ukraine seems to run in three veins: anti Trump, making money from it, and/or Cold Warriors trying turn Russia into a spent force.
The third one is the only one worth talking about, and I think we've done all we can do on that front in any case. Is there any good argument to continue that conflict?
Posted by: Bilwis
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Time, as always, is the ultimate arbiter. But this war basically changes nothing in Russia's internal problems. What is underreported is that the war caused a surge of migrants from the former Soviet Republics that Russia is now having to deal with, inflation is very bad, oil prices that finance the state have declined, and interest rates are at about 20 percent.
Wars distort internal economies and politics even if necessary, and the resulting peace often has difficulty in fixing issues left from the war.
The end of the Civil War, in the South, for example left them devastated for at least two generations or so and made it easier to scapegoat blacks as the cause of their ills.
US support for Ukraine seems to run in three veins: anti Trump, making money from it, and/or Cold Warriors trying turn Russia into a spent force.
The third one is the only one worth talking about, and I think we've done all we can do on that front in any case. Is there any good argument to continue that conflict?
Posted by: Bilwis
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Time, as always, is the ultimate arbiter. But this war basically changes nothing in Russia's internal problems. What is underreported is that the war caused a surge of migrants from the former Soviet Republics that Russia is now having to deal with, inflation is very bad, oil prices that finance the state have declined, and interest rates are at about 20 percent.
Wars distort internal economies and politics even if necessary, and the resulting peace often has difficulty in fixing issues left from the war.
The end of the Civil War, in the South, for example left them devastated for at least two generations or so and made it easier to scapegoat blacks as the cause of their ills.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 12:02 PM (ctrM5)
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I was born when my mother was 46.
But, having given birth to five previous children, she'd had a lot of practice by that point.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 12:01 PM (77rzZ)
It's really just a minor inconvenience at that point.
But, having given birth to five previous children, she'd had a lot of practice by that point.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 12:01 PM (77rzZ)
It's really just a minor inconvenience at that point.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 24, 2025 12:03 PM (i24o9)
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Others have mentioned it here but worth repeating. Nobody in the west had any real issues with Putin for a long time. Until he forbade foreign gays from adopting Russian kids.
That was the catalyst that turned him from Eastern European Russian leader who is corrupt (like all of them) to worse than Hitler.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 24, 2025 11:56 AM (ncC2j)
True, that.
That was the catalyst that turned him from Eastern European Russian leader who is corrupt (like all of them) to worse than Hitler.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 24, 2025 11:56 AM (ncC2j)
True, that.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 24, 2025 12:03 PM (8zz6B)
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And I'm certain there's a connection to the increased rates of autism and bumper-sticker autism.
It will be very difficult to discuss if we ever can because of what the individuals, the grandparents, etc will have to acknowledge they've done to their children, but I'm more and more convinced that's the big factor. Chemicals likely help, of course, but I'm betting geriatric pregnancies are the prime mover.
It will be very difficult to discuss if we ever can because of what the individuals, the grandparents, etc will have to acknowledge they've done to their children, but I'm more and more convinced that's the big factor. Chemicals likely help, of course, but I'm betting geriatric pregnancies are the prime mover.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Were you taught the absurd lie that new animals lived on the Galapagos Islands? at April 24, 2025 12:04 PM (SsQQd)
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I hear that the stereotype of Frenchman not abiding maple syrup on French toast is spot on, however.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 12:04 PM (77rzZ)
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Hahahahahaha!!
Good Lord. To be black and hear some fairy talk buying your kids at a discount.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 24, 2025 12:02 PM (jbnUc)
I thought the whole point of being a fag was not getting married and not having children.
Boy was I wrong.
Good Lord. To be black and hear some fairy talk buying your kids at a discount.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 24, 2025 12:02 PM (jbnUc)
I thought the whole point of being a fag was not getting married and not having children.
Boy was I wrong.
Posted by: Pray The Gay Away! at April 24, 2025 12:04 PM (+8MS3)
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One thing I do actually know about Putin: He didn't let 20 million invaders into his own country.
Posted by: Francis at April 24, 2025 12:04 PM (bbuBP)
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Kanye West: $20, same as in town.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 24, 2025 11:58 AM (i24o9)
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"And all the free baby oil you can use!"
/Wait, wrong rapper ...
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 24, 2025 11:58 AM (i24o9)
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"And all the free baby oil you can use!"
/Wait, wrong rapper ...
Posted by: ShainS -- at April 24, 2025 12:05 PM (fS6mE)
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The last thing the world needs is Prussians with guns.
Posted by: Going deep. Out.
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Most of Prussia is now in Poland.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba
Yes, if you mean Upper Silesia. The old German port city of Danzig is now called Gdansk.
And I do not want to spend one more dollar or anything else from the US on this stupid border war between Ukraine and Russia.
What do WE (the United States) get out of this, anyways? World War III?
And the next Big War may light off any minute between Pakistan, India, and China standing on the sidelines looking on.
Posted by: Going deep. Out.
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Most of Prussia is now in Poland.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba
Yes, if you mean Upper Silesia. The old German port city of Danzig is now called Gdansk.
And I do not want to spend one more dollar or anything else from the US on this stupid border war between Ukraine and Russia.
What do WE (the United States) get out of this, anyways? World War III?
And the next Big War may light off any minute between Pakistan, India, and China standing on the sidelines looking on.
Posted by: A face in the crowd.... at April 24, 2025 12:05 PM (vcOmj)
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Obama's platform was they are our friends and he would be able to help them more if re-elected. Mittens argued they were still an enemy. The FNM absolutely tore Mittens apart for that arguing he was stuck in the cold war.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:58 AM (t0Rmr)
Obama said, if I recall "the 1980's called and they want their foreign policy back."
Which, on the one hand -- yeah, kind of true.
On the other hand though, look at where we are today.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 11:58 AM (t0Rmr)
Obama said, if I recall "the 1980's called and they want their foreign policy back."
Which, on the one hand -- yeah, kind of true.
On the other hand though, look at where we are today.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 12:05 PM (uCjyK)
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don't expand the NATO borders and the Russian Bear will go to sleep ... Putin has no desire to invade anyone ... he just wants to do business with the world ... it makes his people happy ...
Posted by: The Dark Lord at April 24, 2025 12:05 PM (DBAaD)
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Others have mentioned it here but worth repeating. Nobody in the west had any real issues with Putin for a long time. Until he forbade foreign gays from adopting Russian kids.
Western elites will put up with literally anything except attacking their luxury beliefs. They adored Hitler until he double-crossed Stalin.
Western elites will put up with literally anything except attacking their luxury beliefs. They adored Hitler until he double-crossed Stalin.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 24, 2025 12:05 PM (2ocoG)
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End Wokeness@EndWokeness
Michelle Obama: "As black women, we don't articulate our pain"
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Yeah, you can't hardly get them to complain.
Michelle Obama: "As black women, we don't articulate our pain"
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Yeah, you can't hardly get them to complain.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 24, 2025 12:05 PM (L/fGl)
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And I'm certain there's a connection to the increased rates of autism and bumper-sticker autism.
It will be very difficult to discuss if we ever can because of what the individuals, the grandparents, etc will have to acknowledge they've done to their children, but I'm more and more convinced that's the big factor. Chemicals likely help, of course, but I'm betting geriatric pregnancies are the prime mover.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Were you taught the absurd lie that new animals lived on the Galapagos Islands? at April 24, 2025 12:04 PM (SsQQd)
Part of the problem is over-inclusion in the classification of autism, which was ascendant ca. early 2000s.
Now, everyone is "on the spectrum" and getting drugged by their parents.
It will be very difficult to discuss if we ever can because of what the individuals, the grandparents, etc will have to acknowledge they've done to their children, but I'm more and more convinced that's the big factor. Chemicals likely help, of course, but I'm betting geriatric pregnancies are the prime mover.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Were you taught the absurd lie that new animals lived on the Galapagos Islands? at April 24, 2025 12:04 PM (SsQQd)
Part of the problem is over-inclusion in the classification of autism, which was ascendant ca. early 2000s.
Now, everyone is "on the spectrum" and getting drugged by their parents.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 24, 2025 12:06 PM (i24o9)
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274 No one has explained why if Russia took over all of Europe, that would be bad.
It's always just assumed it's bad.
Bad for who? Not us.
Their elites, yes.
Their people, no. They'll have more freedom.
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I so agree. The UK would be better under Russian rule.
Posted by: Crusader
Empires like that vanish in the blink of an eye because disparate parts end up destroying it. Too many people use the Roman Empire as a gauge when it was actually pretty aberrant historically speaking. At the end, it died like most empires did, it took from the periphery to waste on its politicians at the core. So the periphery rebelled constantly. Others just died faster from that particular.
It's always just assumed it's bad.
Bad for who? Not us.
Their elites, yes.
Their people, no. They'll have more freedom.
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I so agree. The UK would be better under Russian rule.
Posted by: Crusader
Empires like that vanish in the blink of an eye because disparate parts end up destroying it. Too many people use the Roman Empire as a gauge when it was actually pretty aberrant historically speaking. At the end, it died like most empires did, it took from the periphery to waste on its politicians at the core. So the periphery rebelled constantly. Others just died faster from that particular.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 12:06 PM (ctrM5)
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End Wokeness@EndWokeness
Michelle Obama: "As black women, we don't articulate our pain"
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Yeah, you can't hardly get them to complain.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 24, 2025 12:05 PM (L/fGl)
Especially when cold French fries are involved.
Michelle Obama: "As black women, we don't articulate our pain"
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Yeah, you can't hardly get them to complain.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 24, 2025 12:05 PM (L/fGl)
Especially when cold French fries are involved.
Posted by: LASue at April 24, 2025 12:06 PM (lCppi)
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I'd argue that the problem in Korea is there was no plan to win the war after MacArthur was benched.
In Vietnam Diem was critical because pretty much all of the rest of the SV leadership were a bunch of crooks with no interest in building a country so when JFK let Diem be assassinated he doomed the country.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 12:02 PM (t0Rmr)
Strong economic allies are in our national interest IMO. If we didn't have to fight the hippie commies in America also , Vietnam would look like South Korea today.
But I agree we should have finished the war in Korea because now the having to station troops there makes it an economic wash.
Again just IMO.
In Vietnam Diem was critical because pretty much all of the rest of the SV leadership were a bunch of crooks with no interest in building a country so when JFK let Diem be assassinated he doomed the country.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 12:02 PM (t0Rmr)
Strong economic allies are in our national interest IMO. If we didn't have to fight the hippie commies in America also , Vietnam would look like South Korea today.
But I agree we should have finished the war in Korea because now the having to station troops there makes it an economic wash.
Again just IMO.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 12:06 PM (VofaG)
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Michelle Obama: "As black women, we don't articulate our pain"
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Wait, did she really mean to do that?
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Wait, did she really mean to do that?
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Were you taught the absurd lie that new animals lived on the Galapagos Islands? at April 24, 2025 12:06 PM (SsQQd)
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at April 24, 2025 12:06 PM (bIzDl)
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One thing I do actually know about Putin: He didn't let 20 million invaders into his own country.
Posted by: Francis at April 24, 2025 12:04 PM (bbuBP)
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And though not a biologist, claims to know the difference between a man and a woman.
Posted by: Francis at April 24, 2025 12:04 PM (bbuBP)
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And though not a biologist, claims to know the difference between a man and a woman.
Posted by: ShainS -- at April 24, 2025 12:07 PM (fS6mE)
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I thought the whole point of being a fag was not getting married and not having children.
A lot of gays do still think that. But there's no Democrat political power to be gained from just wanting to be left alone.
A lot of gays do still think that. But there's no Democrat political power to be gained from just wanting to be left alone.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 24, 2025 12:07 PM (2ocoG)
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I'd argue that the problem in Korea is there was no plan to win the war after MacArthur was benched.
In Vietnam Diem was critical because pretty much all of the rest of the SV leadership were a bunch of crooks with no interest in building a country so when JFK let Diem be assassinated he doomed the country.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 12:02 PM (t0Rmr)
I wasn’t meaning the conduct of the wars themselves. Rather that the average American got no benefit from either war. They lost sons, brothers and fathers, and the wars were economically costly. They did not benefit the American people.
In Vietnam Diem was critical because pretty much all of the rest of the SV leadership were a bunch of crooks with no interest in building a country so when JFK let Diem be assassinated he doomed the country.
Posted by: 18-1 at April 24, 2025 12:02 PM (t0Rmr)
I wasn’t meaning the conduct of the wars themselves. Rather that the average American got no benefit from either war. They lost sons, brothers and fathers, and the wars were economically costly. They did not benefit the American people.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 12:07 PM (/dDa4)
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And I'm certain there's a connection to the increased rates of autism and bumper-sticker autism.
It will be very difficult to discuss if we ever can because of what the individuals, the grandparents, etc will have to acknowledge they've done to their children, but I'm more and more convinced that's the big factor. Chemicals likely help, of course, but I'm betting geriatric pregnancies are the prime mover.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Were you taught the absurd lie that new animals lived on the Galapagos Islands? at April 24, 2025 12:04 PM (SsQQd)
I think they already admit a link between age of the father at conception and risk of autism.
And they already say any woman 35 or older who is pregnant is at higher risk of all kinds of issues to both the mother and the baby.
They just don't say it very loudly. And if you bring it up in public, youre a misogynistic supporter of the patriarchy, hater!
It will be very difficult to discuss if we ever can because of what the individuals, the grandparents, etc will have to acknowledge they've done to their children, but I'm more and more convinced that's the big factor. Chemicals likely help, of course, but I'm betting geriatric pregnancies are the prime mover.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Were you taught the absurd lie that new animals lived on the Galapagos Islands? at April 24, 2025 12:04 PM (SsQQd)
I think they already admit a link between age of the father at conception and risk of autism.
And they already say any woman 35 or older who is pregnant is at higher risk of all kinds of issues to both the mother and the baby.
They just don't say it very loudly. And if you bring it up in public, youre a misogynistic supporter of the patriarchy, hater!
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 12:07 PM (uCjyK)
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End Wokeness@EndWokeness
Michelle Obama: "As black women, we don't articulate our pain"
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Yeah, you can't hardly get them to complain.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 24, 2025 12:05 PM (L/fGl)
FFS, you can't swing a dead, grifting Sasquatch-looking bigfoot without hitting a complaining black woman.
Michelle Obama: "As black women, we don't articulate our pain"
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Yeah, you can't hardly get them to complain.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 24, 2025 12:05 PM (L/fGl)
FFS, you can't swing a dead, grifting Sasquatch-looking bigfoot without hitting a complaining black woman.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 24, 2025 12:08 PM (i24o9)
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I see we have another Judge who says a different "Maryland Man" must be returned to the US...He was arrested in Jan and convicted of cocaine possession...
Posted by: It's me donna at April 24, 2025 12:08 PM (VE6XX)
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I'd add that UK Starmer keeps coming up with these "wonderful" peace keeping concoctions for Ukraine, and every single one of them has a commonality.
They want the US to serve as an "insurance policy" should things escalate. The reason is obvious from two perspectives. First, it's estimated that the EU has materials and personnel to accommodate their own peace keeping forces for about 4 weeks, then they are running on fumes. Secondly, you can almost see the plan they are initiating. I have no doubt that they would purposefully escalate the conflict almost by the word of any "insurance policy" agreement to assure the US got directly involved. THEN, and I hate to say this...but there would be an incident (possibly even initiated by the EU) that would result in loss of life of a significant number of US soldiers...assuring the US being dragged in for the long term....and thus paying for everything, and business as usual for the defense contractor industrial complex.
They want the US to serve as an "insurance policy" should things escalate. The reason is obvious from two perspectives. First, it's estimated that the EU has materials and personnel to accommodate their own peace keeping forces for about 4 weeks, then they are running on fumes. Secondly, you can almost see the plan they are initiating. I have no doubt that they would purposefully escalate the conflict almost by the word of any "insurance policy" agreement to assure the US got directly involved. THEN, and I hate to say this...but there would be an incident (possibly even initiated by the EU) that would result in loss of life of a significant number of US soldiers...assuring the US being dragged in for the long term....and thus paying for everything, and business as usual for the defense contractor industrial complex.
Posted by: Orson at April 24, 2025 12:08 PM (dIske)
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One thing I do actually know about Putin: He didn't let 20 million invaders into his own country.
Posted by: Francis at April 24, 2025 12:04 PM (bbuBP)
Again the Muslim population in Russia is almost 20%. They are already there.
Posted by: Francis at April 24, 2025 12:04 PM (bbuBP)
Again the Muslim population in Russia is almost 20%. They are already there.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 12:09 PM (VofaG)
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303 End Wokeness@EndWokeness
Michelle Obama: "As black women, we don't articulate our pain"
I bet black men have a different opinion...
Michelle Obama: "As black women, we don't articulate our pain"
I bet black men have a different opinion...
Posted by: It's me donna at April 24, 2025 12:09 PM (VE6XX)
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‘Vallandingham ended up living after the Civil War ended while Lincoln got shot dead’
Not for very long. Valllandingham died a few years later as the greatest defense attorney in history.
‘Vallandingham ended up living after the Civil War ended while Lincoln got shot dead’
Not for very long. Valllandingham died a few years later as the greatest defense attorney in history.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 24, 2025 12:09 PM (jbnUc)
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I see we have another Judge who says a different "Maryland Man" must be returned to the US...He was arrested in Jan and convicted of cocaine possession...
Posted by: It's me donna
Boy, they'll charge those pickleball aficionados with anything.
Posted by: It's me donna
Boy, they'll charge those pickleball aficionados with anything.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 12:10 PM (77rzZ)
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I see we have another Judge who says a different "Maryland Man" must be returned to the US...He was arrested in Jan and convicted of cocaine possession...
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Its past time to publicly announce we won't be complying with any of these rulings. If you enter the country illegally, you will be removed, period. Future generations can hold hearings about how they were treated on the way out.
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Its past time to publicly announce we won't be complying with any of these rulings. If you enter the country illegally, you will be removed, period. Future generations can hold hearings about how they were treated on the way out.
Posted by: Crusader at April 24, 2025 12:10 PM (TN0g+)
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I think they already admit a link between age of the father at conception and risk of autism.
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hahahaha
That's absurd, but I can certainly see that attempt. Especially when, since the 60s or so (probably before), marriage ages are very closely aligned.
Oh, the FATHER is the cause. Not the mother who literally can feel a biological clock ticking to indicate her health and the health of the offspring.
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hahahaha
That's absurd, but I can certainly see that attempt. Especially when, since the 60s or so (probably before), marriage ages are very closely aligned.
Oh, the FATHER is the cause. Not the mother who literally can feel a biological clock ticking to indicate her health and the health of the offspring.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Were you taught the absurd lie that new animals lived on the Galapagos Islands? at April 24, 2025 12:11 PM (SsQQd)
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Wars distort internal economies and politics even if necessary, and the resulting peace often has difficulty in fixing issues left from the war.
The end of the Civil War, in the South, for example left them devastated for at least two generations or so and made it easier to scapegoat blacks as the cause of their ills.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 12:02 PM (ctrM5)
That's an argument for a soft reconstruction of Russia after the war. Which I hope is the default until otherwise proven. I don't get any prizes for dead or broken Russians. However, it would behoove everyone to always remember Putin is a scorpion, no rides across the creek.
The end of the Civil War, in the South, for example left them devastated for at least two generations or so and made it easier to scapegoat blacks as the cause of their ills.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 12:02 PM (ctrM5)
That's an argument for a soft reconstruction of Russia after the war. Which I hope is the default until otherwise proven. I don't get any prizes for dead or broken Russians. However, it would behoove everyone to always remember Putin is a scorpion, no rides across the creek.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at April 24, 2025 12:11 PM (pIfcn)
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"The Association Between Parental Age and Autism-Related Outcomes in Children at High Familial Risk for Autism," Aug '20
Lay Summary:
Previous work suggests that older parents have a greater likelihood of having a child with autism. We investigated this relationship in the younger siblings of families who already had a child with autism. In this setting, we found a higher likelihood of autism, as well as poorer cognitive scores, in the siblings with younger fathers, and higher cognitive scores in the siblings with older parents. These results suggest that parental age associations may differ based on children’s familial risk for autism.
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I've seen both very young and very old parents have children with disabilities, birth defects.
Lay Summary:
Previous work suggests that older parents have a greater likelihood of having a child with autism. We investigated this relationship in the younger siblings of families who already had a child with autism. In this setting, we found a higher likelihood of autism, as well as poorer cognitive scores, in the siblings with younger fathers, and higher cognitive scores in the siblings with older parents. These results suggest that parental age associations may differ based on children’s familial risk for autism.
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I've seen both very young and very old parents have children with disabilities, birth defects.
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at April 24, 2025 12:12 PM (NFX2v)
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Again the Muslim population in Russia is almost 20%. They are already there.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
But as native inhabitants, not invaders. The tsars conquered much Muslim territory.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
But as native inhabitants, not invaders. The tsars conquered much Muslim territory.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 12:12 PM (77rzZ)
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Western elites will put up with literally anything except attacking their luxury beliefs. They adored Hitler until he double-crossed Stalin.
Posted by: Ian S.
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About half and half in WWII. The reason that many elites in the West tolerated mustache man is that they thought he would go after the Commies aka the Cliveden set in the UK, and I forget the faction in France at the time that thought that.
When he actually did by invading the Soviet Union, they were happy about it. The left, which were a few intellectuals and some rich socialists, did the opposite after the Soviet Union was invaded as you mention.
It is always tempting to drag in what foreign leaders do or do not do to try to win domestic political arguments. This is mostly estranged from actual cold hard calculations as to national interest in such matters.
The Spanish Civil War was another such situation. People in Europe saw that conflict in light of their own domestic politics.
Posted by: Ian S.
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About half and half in WWII. The reason that many elites in the West tolerated mustache man is that they thought he would go after the Commies aka the Cliveden set in the UK, and I forget the faction in France at the time that thought that.
When he actually did by invading the Soviet Union, they were happy about it. The left, which were a few intellectuals and some rich socialists, did the opposite after the Soviet Union was invaded as you mention.
It is always tempting to drag in what foreign leaders do or do not do to try to win domestic political arguments. This is mostly estranged from actual cold hard calculations as to national interest in such matters.
The Spanish Civil War was another such situation. People in Europe saw that conflict in light of their own domestic politics.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 12:12 PM (ctrM5)
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Even worse the second Maryland Man judge is a Trump appointee.
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I saw that ICE started staging raids at Home Depots, and it works. Another meme became real.
The media's screeching that there's no labor to rebuild LA now because of ICE raids, but the part where only 4 permits have been issued since the end of the fires might factor into that too.
The media's screeching that there's no labor to rebuild LA now because of ICE raids, but the part where only 4 permits have been issued since the end of the fires might factor into that too.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 24, 2025 12:12 PM (2ocoG)
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Oh, the FATHER is the cause. Not the mother who literally can feel a biological clock ticking to indicate her health and the health of the offspring.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Were you taught the absurd lie that new animals lived on the Galapagos Islands? at April 24, 2025 12:11 PM (SsQQd)
Yeah, I'm not sure how they would be able to isolate it to the father.
There aren't THAT many examples of 50 year old men impregnating 20 year old women to be able to get good, large sample size statistics on autism rates with older fathers and young mothers.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Were you taught the absurd lie that new animals lived on the Galapagos Islands? at April 24, 2025 12:11 PM (SsQQd)
Yeah, I'm not sure how they would be able to isolate it to the father.
There aren't THAT many examples of 50 year old men impregnating 20 year old women to be able to get good, large sample size statistics on autism rates with older fathers and young mothers.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 12:12 PM (uCjyK)
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I've been having this argument with my liberal friends for 30 years who always point to Europe or Scandanavia as a paragon. I say you can run up a big credit card bill and sort of look good for a while, but eventually it comes due. If they decide to pay for defense then their impressive welfare states will collapse. Time to pay that bill!
Posted by: Lex at April 24, 2025 12:13 PM (l5xX+)
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Strong economic allies are in our national interest IMO. If we didn't have to fight the hippie commies in America also , Vietnam would look like South Korea today.
But I agree we should have finished the war in Korea because now the having to station troops there makes it an economic wash.
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How does South Korea being economically strong benefit us? LG and Samsung are huge corporations. We run massive trade deficits with SK: $66 billion last year alone.
What’s the point in decoupling from China if we just shift more offshoring to SK and Vietnam? “They’re allies.” So we’re paying to defend them, then.
I’m going to say the whole “We need strong foreign economies to run trade deficits with” line is fundamentally wrong.
But I agree we should have finished the war in Korea because now the having to station troops there makes it an economic wash.
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How does South Korea being economically strong benefit us? LG and Samsung are huge corporations. We run massive trade deficits with SK: $66 billion last year alone.
What’s the point in decoupling from China if we just shift more offshoring to SK and Vietnam? “They’re allies.” So we’re paying to defend them, then.
I’m going to say the whole “We need strong foreign economies to run trade deficits with” line is fundamentally wrong.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 12:13 PM (/dDa4)
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NOrway's PM is in town (DC) for a meeting with Trump. What do we need from norway? Trolls?? hahahah!
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 12:13 PM (g47mK)
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Again the Muslim population in Russia is almost 20%. They are already there.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
But as native inhabitants, not invaders. The tsars conquered much Muslim territory.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 12:12 PM (77rzZ)
My point was that they probably have as much loyalty to Russia as do our illegals.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
But as native inhabitants, not invaders. The tsars conquered much Muslim territory.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 12:12 PM (77rzZ)
My point was that they probably have as much loyalty to Russia as do our illegals.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 12:14 PM (VofaG)
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That's an argument for a soft reconstruction of Russia after the war. Which I hope is the default until otherwise proven. I don't get any prizes for dead or broken Russians. However, it would behoove everyone to always remember Putin is a scorpion, no rides across the creek.
Posted by: Bilwis
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There are hundreds of billions of Russian reserves in the West that have been hijacked. That, I think, along with Euroland loans to Ukraine, is partially what is driving Euroland and thus Z man intransigence in the peace talks. First, who is collecting that interest from those seized assets, second, if Ukraine is conquered by Russia or too poor after a surrender, it will repudiate those Euroland loans without a second thought.
Posted by: Bilwis
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There are hundreds of billions of Russian reserves in the West that have been hijacked. That, I think, along with Euroland loans to Ukraine, is partially what is driving Euroland and thus Z man intransigence in the peace talks. First, who is collecting that interest from those seized assets, second, if Ukraine is conquered by Russia or too poor after a surrender, it will repudiate those Euroland loans without a second thought.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 12:15 PM (ctrM5)
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Others have mentioned it here but worth repeating. Nobody in the west had any real issues with Putin for a long time. Until he forbade foreign gays from adopting Russian kids.
That was the catalyst that turned him from Eastern European Russian leader who is corrupt (like all of them) to worse than Hitler.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 24, 2025 11:56 AM (ncC2j)
I know what we need! A big old "reset" button.
That was the catalyst that turned him from Eastern European Russian leader who is corrupt (like all of them) to worse than Hitler.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 24, 2025 11:56 AM (ncC2j)
I know what we need! A big old "reset" button.
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>> There aren't THAT many examples of 50 year old men impregnating 20 year old women to be able to get good, large sample size statistics on autism rates with older fathers and young mothers.
I’m willing to sacrifice and increase the sample size. For science.
I’m willing to sacrifice and increase the sample size. For science.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 12:15 PM (/dDa4)
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Norway's PM is in town (DC) for a meeting with Trump. What do we need from Norway? Trolls?? hahahah!
Posted by: runner
They're negotiating the tariff on lutefisk.
Posted by: runner
They're negotiating the tariff on lutefisk.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 12:15 PM (77rzZ)
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There aren't THAT many examples of 50 year old men impregnating 20 year old women to be able to get good, large sample size statistics on autism rates with older fathers and young mothers.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 12:12 PM
I'd be willing to try, for Science.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 12:12 PM
I'd be willing to try, for Science.
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 12:15 PM (jc0TO)
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Norway's PM is in town (DC) for a meeting with Trump. What do we need from Norway? Trolls?? hahahah!
Posted by: runner
They're negotiating the tariff on lutefisk.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 12:15 PM (77rzZ)
2000% sounds about right.
Posted by: runner
They're negotiating the tariff on lutefisk.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 12:15 PM (77rzZ)
2000% sounds about right.
Posted by: LASue at April 24, 2025 12:16 PM (lCppi)
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 12:16 PM (jc0TO)
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319 I've been having this argument with my liberal friends for 30 years who always point to Europe or Scandanavia as a paragon. I say you can run up a big credit card bill and sort of look good for a while, but eventually it comes due. If they decide to pay for defense then their impressive welfare states will collapse. Time to pay that bill!
Posted by: Lex at April 24, 2025 12:13 PM (l5xX+)
They're also nowhere near as "socialist" as people in the US make it sound.
Yes, Sweden has generous welfare benefits. You know what else they have / had? A small, heterogenous population and very strong informal institutions (like shaming your lazy cousin to get off his ass and get a job) that very much discouraged people from taking advantage of the welfare system unless they truly needed it.
Then they invited in a bunch of New Swedish who aren't tied to those informal institutions and cultural pressure. And now they're running in to the same problem the US has.
Posted by: Lex at April 24, 2025 12:13 PM (l5xX+)
They're also nowhere near as "socialist" as people in the US make it sound.
Yes, Sweden has generous welfare benefits. You know what else they have / had? A small, heterogenous population and very strong informal institutions (like shaming your lazy cousin to get off his ass and get a job) that very much discouraged people from taking advantage of the welfare system unless they truly needed it.
Then they invited in a bunch of New Swedish who aren't tied to those informal institutions and cultural pressure. And now they're running in to the same problem the US has.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 12:16 PM (uCjyK)
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There aren't THAT many examples of 50 year old men impregnating 20 year old women to be able to get good, large sample size statistics on autism rates with older fathers and young mothers.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 12:12
I'm hoping to contribute to that study.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 12:12
I'm hoping to contribute to that study.
Posted by: Stateless.. 21% - mental state clawing up from 10%, shit happened, clawing back next week at April 24, 2025 12:16 PM (jvJvP)
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Health officials are sounding the alarm over a potential measles exposure at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport.
An infected infant visited the airport's S Concourse with their family, potentially exposing others to the world's most infectious disease.
Always Seattle.
An infected infant visited the airport's S Concourse with their family, potentially exposing others to the world's most infectious disease.
Always Seattle.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 24, 2025 12:16 PM (/U5Yz)
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Yeah, I'm not sure how they would be able to isolate it to the father.
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I suspect they're trying to figure out how to address the topic without acknowledging what they've done to women.
"Wait, so that biological clock I've been feeling for the last few years was something that I should've been paying attention to? But my hourly job!!!"
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I suspect they're trying to figure out how to address the topic without acknowledging what they've done to women.
"Wait, so that biological clock I've been feeling for the last few years was something that I should've been paying attention to? But my hourly job!!!"
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 12:17 PM (6GvqP)
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Not for very long. Valllandingham died a few years later as the greatest defense attorney in history.
Posted by: Dr. Claw
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He died of natural causes though, not the noose or the assassin's bullet.
Posted by: Dr. Claw
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He died of natural causes though, not the noose or the assassin's bullet.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 12:17 PM (ctrM5)
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homogeneous*
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 12:17 PM (uCjyK)
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>> About half and half in WWII. The reason that many elites in the West tolerated mustache man is that they thought he would go after the Commies aka the Cliveden set in the UK, and I forget the faction in France at the time that thought that.
The left really liked Hitler, too, because German national socialism appeared to be working a lot better than Stalinism.
The left really liked Hitler, too, because German national socialism appeared to be working a lot better than Stalinism.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 12:17 PM (/dDa4)
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There aren't THAT many examples of 50 year old men impregnating 20 year old women to be able to get good, large sample size statistics on autism rates with older fathers and young mothers.
Pffffft.
Pffffft.
Posted by: Mick Jagger at April 24, 2025 12:17 PM (s8j++)
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Then they invited in a bunch of New Swedish who aren't tied to those informal institutions and cultural pressure. And now they're running in to the same problem the US has.
Lots of things are possible in high-trust societies that aren't otherwise.
Lots of things are possible in high-trust societies that aren't otherwise.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 24, 2025 12:17 PM (2ocoG)
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Oh, the FATHER is the cause. Not the mother who literally can feel a biological clock ticking to indicate her health and the health of the offspring.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Were you taught the absurd lie that new animals lived on the Galapagos Islands? at April 24, 2025 12:11 PM (SsQQd)
Yeah, I'm not sure how they would be able to isolate it to the father.
There aren't THAT many examples of 50 year old men impregnating 20 year old women to be able to get good, large sample size statistics on autism rates with older fathers and young mothers.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 12:12 PM (uCjyK)
That seems weird. Women's eggs age along with her while men create their portion anew and fresh, every day.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Were you taught the absurd lie that new animals lived on the Galapagos Islands? at April 24, 2025 12:11 PM (SsQQd)
Yeah, I'm not sure how they would be able to isolate it to the father.
There aren't THAT many examples of 50 year old men impregnating 20 year old women to be able to get good, large sample size statistics on autism rates with older fathers and young mothers.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 12:12 PM (uCjyK)
That seems weird. Women's eggs age along with her while men create their portion anew and fresh, every day.
Posted by: LASue at April 24, 2025 12:18 PM (lCppi)
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They're negotiating the tariff on lutefisk.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 12:15 PM (77rzZ)
2000% sounds about right.
Posted by: LASue at April 24, 2025 12:16 PM (lCppi)
Biohazard or WMD, pick one.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 12:15 PM (77rzZ)
2000% sounds about right.
Posted by: LASue at April 24, 2025 12:16 PM (lCppi)
Biohazard or WMD, pick one.
Posted by: runner at April 24, 2025 12:18 PM (g47mK)
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I'm hoping to contribute to that study.
Posted by: Stateless.. 21% - mental state clawing up from 10%, shit happened, clawing back next week at April 24, 2025 12:16 PM (jvJvP)
I applaud you for your sacrifice and willingness to do your part to advance The Science (tm)!
Posted by: Stateless.. 21% - mental state clawing up from 10%, shit happened, clawing back next week at April 24, 2025 12:16 PM (jvJvP)
I applaud you for your sacrifice and willingness to do your part to advance The Science (tm)!
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 12:18 PM (uCjyK)
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There aren't THAT many examples of 50 year old men impregnating 20 year old women to be able to get good, large sample size statistics on autism rates with older fathers and young mothers.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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I mean, other than the entire world's previous 5000 years.
But for some reason autism just decided to crank up once we began to encourage Strong and Empowered Geriatric Pregnancies.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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I mean, other than the entire world's previous 5000 years.
But for some reason autism just decided to crank up once we began to encourage Strong and Empowered Geriatric Pregnancies.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 12:18 PM (6GvqP)
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Women's eggs age along with her while men create their portion anew and fresh, every day.
Posted by: LASue
Feminists seen seething in rage at the unfairness of life.
Posted by: LASue
Feminists seen seething in rage at the unfairness of life.
Posted by: NR Pax at April 24, 2025 12:19 PM (lXoJ5)
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Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 12:13 PM (/dDa4)
Trade deficits are not caused by a country being lifted out of third world status. That effect is a result of an entirely different causation.
I think its better not to live in a mansion in the middle of a ghetto.
Trade deficits are not caused by a country being lifted out of third world status. That effect is a result of an entirely different causation.
I think its better not to live in a mansion in the middle of a ghetto.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 24, 2025 12:19 PM (VofaG)
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That seems weird. Women's eggs age along with her while men create their portion anew and fresh, every day.
Posted by: LASue
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The important part is to remember that this is coming from the same people who told you to wear an old Garfield t-shirt to protect you from the worlds most dangerous virus.
Posted by: LASue
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The important part is to remember that this is coming from the same people who told you to wear an old Garfield t-shirt to protect you from the worlds most dangerous virus.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Women choose the value of the vagina, then men choose the value of women at April 24, 2025 12:19 PM (6GvqP)
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You volunteers for science better be careful. You're assuming you're gonna get a 20-year-old Kate Upton.
But just remember, Lena Dunham was once a 20-year-old as well.
But just remember, Lena Dunham was once a 20-year-old as well.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 12:19 PM (77rzZ)
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Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 12:18 PM (uCjyK
Thank you.
I am happy to help.
Science is the best!
Thank you.
I am happy to help.
Science is the best!
Posted by: Stateless.. 21% - mental state clawing up from 10%, shit happened, clawing back next week at April 24, 2025 12:19 PM (jvJvP)
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I think they already admit a link between age of the father at conception and risk of autism.
Given that sperm is always fresh, why would the age of the father matter?
Given that sperm is always fresh, why would the age of the father matter?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 12:19 PM (ExV1e)
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Is there nothing that damn Trump won't do?
Western Lensman@WesternLensman
Dan Goldman laughably insists that Trump made Abrego-Garcia a political issue:
"This is political for them. They're trying to distract from the disastrous economic policies."
Western Lensman@WesternLensman
Dan Goldman laughably insists that Trump made Abrego-Garcia a political issue:
"This is political for them. They're trying to distract from the disastrous economic policies."
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 24, 2025 12:19 PM (L/fGl)
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That seems weird. Women's eggs age along with her while men create their portion anew and fresh, every day.
Posted by: LASue at April 24, 2025 12:18 PM (lCppi)
I could see there being some truth to it. All cells get shittier and lazier as we age. So men are likely to produce fewer sperm and of lower quality as they age, which probably has some effect on a child conceived by old lazy sperm.
I don't fully buy the theory, but it's not crazy to me.
Posted by: LASue at April 24, 2025 12:18 PM (lCppi)
I could see there being some truth to it. All cells get shittier and lazier as we age. So men are likely to produce fewer sperm and of lower quality as they age, which probably has some effect on a child conceived by old lazy sperm.
I don't fully buy the theory, but it's not crazy to me.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 12:20 PM (uCjyK)
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Second Maryland man was given amnesty in 2024. But part of the amnesty says you can’t commit crimes. He commited a crime. And deported. But Hawaiian judge says no you can’t do that because reasons.
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That seems weird. Women's eggs age along with her while men create their portion anew and fresh, every day.
Posted by: LASue at April 24, 2025 12:18 PM (lCppi)
In some cases, multiple times a day..
Posted by: LASue at April 24, 2025 12:18 PM (lCppi)
In some cases, multiple times a day..
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 12:20 PM (/dDa4)
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There aren't THAT many examples of 50 year old men impregnating 20 year old women to be able to get good, large sample size statistics on autism rates with older fathers and young mothers.
Pffffft.
Posted by: Mick Jagger
Pffffft. Pfffffft.
Pffffft.
Posted by: Mick Jagger
Pffffft. Pfffffft.
Posted by: Genghis Khan at April 24, 2025 12:20 PM (s8j++)
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>>>There aren't THAT many examples of 50 year old men impregnating 20 year old women to be able to get good, large sample size statistics on autism rates with older fathers and young mothers.
On it, boss.
On it, boss.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 24, 2025 12:20 PM (i24o9)
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318. There aren't THAT many examples of 50 year old men impregnating 20 year old women to be able to get good, large sample size statistics on autism rates with older fathers and young mothers.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
Hollywood. The music industry. ??
Two of Neil Young's sons, Zeke and Ben, have cerebral palsy. Ben has a more severe form of cerebral palsy, while Zeke has a milder form. Additionally, Young's daughter, Amber Jean, has epilepsy. Young himself also struggles with epilepsy and has a history of polio.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
Hollywood. The music industry. ??
Two of Neil Young's sons, Zeke and Ben, have cerebral palsy. Ben has a more severe form of cerebral palsy, while Zeke has a milder form. Additionally, Young's daughter, Amber Jean, has epilepsy. Young himself also struggles with epilepsy and has a history of polio.
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at April 24, 2025 12:21 PM (NFX2v)
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nood elon
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 12:21 PM (uCjyK)
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Women's eggs age along with her while men create their portion anew and fresh, every day.
Posted by: LASue
But our "portion" also degrades over time.
Posted by: LASue
But our "portion" also degrades over time.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 12:21 PM (77rzZ)
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That seems weird. Women's eggs age along with her while men create their portion anew and fresh, every day.
Posted by: LASue at April 24, 2025 12:18 PM (lCppi)
In some cases, multiple times a day..
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 12:20 PM (/dDa4)
We don't even know where to store it all.
Posted by: LASue at April 24, 2025 12:18 PM (lCppi)
In some cases, multiple times a day..
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 12:20 PM (/dDa4)
We don't even know where to store it all.
Posted by: Jackson Pollock at April 24, 2025 12:21 PM (i24o9)
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But just remember, Lena Dunham was once a 20-year-old as well.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 12:19 PM (77rzZ)
Well, at 20, she was a two-bagger. But you just have to knock her up. not live with her.
Posted by: Bulg at April 24, 2025 12:19 PM (77rzZ)
Well, at 20, she was a two-bagger. But you just have to knock her up. not live with her.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 24, 2025 12:21 PM (8zz6B)
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354 There aren't THAT many examples of 50 year old men impregnating 20 year old women to be able to get good, large sample size statistics on autism rates with older fathers and young mothers.
Pffffft.
Posted by: Mick Jagger
Pffffft. Pfffffft.
Posted by: Genghis Khan
pikers.
Pffffft.
Posted by: Mick Jagger
Pffffft. Pfffffft.
Posted by: Genghis Khan
pikers.
Posted by: Bill Clinton at April 24, 2025 12:21 PM (/U5Yz)
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‘He died of natural causes though, not the noose or the assassin's bullet.’
Google him. You’ll find he had a noteworthy ending.
‘He died of natural causes though, not the noose or the assassin's bullet.’
Google him. You’ll find he had a noteworthy ending.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 24, 2025 12:22 PM (jbnUc)
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Robert De Niro has a child, his son, Elliot De Niro, with autism.
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at April 24, 2025 12:22 PM (NFX2v)
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Then they invited in a bunch of New Swedish who aren't tied to those informal institutions and cultural pressure. And now they're running in to the same problem the US has.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Swedes actually had to have a hard reboot of their system in the 90's as the fiscal crisis got so bad from teh welfare state burden that something was going to give. Thus, austerity, and during that era, they invited in Bosnian refugees as cheap labor to help that reboot. The Bosnians, brought in the Albanians, and soon enough you had Muslims coming in from across the globe there.
In common law, welfare becomes something similar to a swimming pool. It is an attractive nuisance which is why most if not all states require fencing around swimming pools. It is too easy for outsiders to drown including small kids.
For a similar reason, Milton Friedman said you can have a welfare state or an open border.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Swedes actually had to have a hard reboot of their system in the 90's as the fiscal crisis got so bad from teh welfare state burden that something was going to give. Thus, austerity, and during that era, they invited in Bosnian refugees as cheap labor to help that reboot. The Bosnians, brought in the Albanians, and soon enough you had Muslims coming in from across the globe there.
In common law, welfare becomes something similar to a swimming pool. It is an attractive nuisance which is why most if not all states require fencing around swimming pools. It is too easy for outsiders to drown including small kids.
For a similar reason, Milton Friedman said you can have a welfare state or an open border.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 12:22 PM (ctrM5)
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I could see there being some truth to it. All cells get shittier and lazier as we age. So men are likely to produce fewer sperm and of lower quality as they age, which probably has some effect on a child conceived by old lazy sperm.
I don't fully buy the theory, but it's not crazy to me.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 12:20 PM (uCjyK)
Sperm quality definitely declines with age.
I don't fully buy the theory, but it's not crazy to me.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 24, 2025 12:20 PM (uCjyK)
Sperm quality definitely declines with age.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at April 24, 2025 12:23 PM (/dDa4)
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There are hundreds of billions of Russian reserves in the West that have been hijacked. That, I think, along with Euroland loans to Ukraine, is partially what is driving Euroland and thus Z man
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 12:15 PM (ctrM5)
That's an excellent point. And if they want the luxury of a first rate military to defend the ill gotten gains, they can pay for the overhead absorption at Raytheon, et al, themselves. We've done it on our own long enough.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 12:15 PM (ctrM5)
That's an excellent point. And if they want the luxury of a first rate military to defend the ill gotten gains, they can pay for the overhead absorption at Raytheon, et al, themselves. We've done it on our own long enough.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at April 24, 2025 12:24 PM (pIfcn)
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Norway's PM is in town (DC) for a meeting with Trump. What do we need from Norway? Trolls?? hahahah!
Posted by: runner
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Norway's sovereign wealth fund is a huge investor in America, and their military deals with Russian provocation all the time. While cross-border trade may not be huge there's plenty to talk about, I suppose.
Posted by: runner
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Norway's sovereign wealth fund is a huge investor in America, and their military deals with Russian provocation all the time. While cross-border trade may not be huge there's plenty to talk about, I suppose.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 24, 2025 12:25 PM (lClq/)
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Given that sperm is always fresh, why would the age of the father matter?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 12:19 PM
More replication and hence more chance for a degradation of the DNA is the reason, I think.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 24, 2025 12:19 PM
More replication and hence more chance for a degradation of the DNA is the reason, I think.
Posted by: toby928 at April 24, 2025 12:25 PM (jc0TO)
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‘He died of natural causes though, not the noose or the assassin's bullet.’
Google him. You’ll find he had a noteworthy ending.
Posted by: Dr. Claw
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Well, I guess you can consider him as his own assassin as he died by death by misadventure as the Brits call it.
‘He died of natural causes though, not the noose or the assassin's bullet.’
Google him. You’ll find he had a noteworthy ending.
Posted by: Dr. Claw
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Well, I guess you can consider him as his own assassin as he died by death by misadventure as the Brits call it.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 12:25 PM (ctrM5)
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There are hundreds of billions of Russian reserves in the West that have been hijacked. That, I think, along with Euroland loans to Ukraine, is partially what is driving Euroland and thus Z man
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 12:15 PM (ctrM5)
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"Hundreds of billions"?
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 12:15 PM (ctrM5)
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"Hundreds of billions"?
Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 24, 2025 12:26 PM (lClq/)
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Stephen Miller becomes a dangerous blood thirsty spirit when speaking for America.
Reminds me of Pinhead in those horror movies.
Reminds me of Pinhead in those horror movies.
Posted by: Dreamingrobot at April 24, 2025 12:27 PM (J8LnB)
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Two of Neil Young's sons, Zeke and Ben, have cerebral palsy. Ben has a more severe form of cerebral palsy, while Zeke has a milder form. Additionally, Young's daughter, Amber Jean, has epilepsy. Young himself also struggles with epilepsy and has a history of polio.
Posted by: L - No nic
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The last sentence indicates the issue is that Young has poor inheritable traits, not necessarily that his sperm was low quality. So causation would be difficult to prove which was the true cause here.
Posted by: L - No nic
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The last sentence indicates the issue is that Young has poor inheritable traits, not necessarily that his sperm was low quality. So causation would be difficult to prove which was the true cause here.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 12:28 PM (ctrM5)
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Not for very long. Valllandingham died a few years later as the greatest defense attorney in history.
Posted by: Dr. Claw
He is actually buried in a cemetary not far from where I grew up. I had a history professor in college that joked about visiting his grave regularly. I think the professor was a Democrat (a really nice guy, though).
He was quite the arguer (defense attorney) but was also something of a giant Asshole.
Posted by: Dr. Claw
He is actually buried in a cemetary not far from where I grew up. I had a history professor in college that joked about visiting his grave regularly. I think the professor was a Democrat (a really nice guy, though).
He was quite the arguer (defense attorney) but was also something of a giant Asshole.
Posted by: A face in the crowd.... at April 24, 2025 12:28 PM (vcOmj)
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Huck, too lazy but Grok has it as
"The total amount of Russian assets seized since the Ukraine invasion is estimated to be around $300 billion. This figure includes frozen Russian central bank assets and other economic resources immobilized in Western financial institutions."
"The total amount of Russian assets seized since the Ukraine invasion is estimated to be around $300 billion. This figure includes frozen Russian central bank assets and other economic resources immobilized in Western financial institutions."
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 12:29 PM (ctrM5)
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He was quite the arguer (defense attorney) but was also something of a giant Asshole.
Posted by: A face in the crowd
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Good trial attorneys often are. Two types of defense lawyers--one is connected with the local legal community including prosecutors and can get you a good plea deal by leveraging those contacts. The other is the pirate who takes on the well funded opposition and often is viewed as a pita by his lawyers within his legal community.
Posted by: A face in the crowd
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Good trial attorneys often are. Two types of defense lawyers--one is connected with the local legal community including prosecutors and can get you a good plea deal by leveraging those contacts. The other is the pirate who takes on the well funded opposition and often is viewed as a pita by his lawyers within his legal community.
Posted by: whig at April 24, 2025 12:30 PM (ctrM5)
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Stephen Miller becomes a dangerous blood thirsty spirit when speaking for America.
Some call him the Gangster of Love.
Some call him the Gangster of Love.
Posted by: toby928 beating memes to death since 2006 at April 24, 2025 12:34 PM (jc0TO)
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331. It was always a spurious comparison because you can't relate Norway to the US. 330 million v 10 million. One culture very similar in terms of climate, history, homogeniety, etc.
The better comparison to Norway would be Utah, say. And if you take 340 million Europeans, combining some of the wealthier and healthier counties with the poorer ones, the outcome comparison comes to almost even with the US.
It was always just a dumb talking point to supposedly puff up the welfare state. The life expectancy is 80 in Belgium and only 76 in the US. We need to change everything or so the Karens went on.
The better comparison to Norway would be Utah, say. And if you take 340 million Europeans, combining some of the wealthier and healthier counties with the poorer ones, the outcome comparison comes to almost even with the US.
It was always just a dumb talking point to supposedly puff up the welfare state. The life expectancy is 80 in Belgium and only 76 in the US. We need to change everything or so the Karens went on.
Posted by: Lex at April 24, 2025 12:43 PM (l5xX+)
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372. The last sentence indicates the issue is that Young has poor inheritable traits, not necessarily that his sperm was low quality. So causation would be difficult to prove which was the true cause here.
Posted by: whig
I understand & my error to 'link' or mention Young. My initial response for age of parents was 'Hollywood. The music industry. ??'
Just a few with autistic children: DeNiro, Stallone, D. Marino, Toni Braxton, Steven Stills, John Travolta (deceased son, Jett), etc.
Neil Young was not at all a good candidate within the conversation, not meant to be a link to autism.
I do continue to believe the health of both parents is instrumental in their children's health.
Posted by: whig
I understand & my error to 'link' or mention Young. My initial response for age of parents was 'Hollywood. The music industry. ??'
Just a few with autistic children: DeNiro, Stallone, D. Marino, Toni Braxton, Steven Stills, John Travolta (deceased son, Jett), etc.
Neil Young was not at all a good candidate within the conversation, not meant to be a link to autism.
I do continue to believe the health of both parents is instrumental in their children's health.
Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at April 24, 2025 12:47 PM (NFX2v)
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I’m all about Europe paying into NATO, as Poland and a few others do.
Your aching for Pax Americana to end will lead to the ushering in of Pax Sinica, which I want nothing to do with.
Your aching for Pax Americana to end will lead to the ushering in of Pax Sinica, which I want nothing to do with.
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