Mid-Morning Art Thread

The Crucifixion
Francisco de Zurbarán

Posted by: CBD at 09:30 AM

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1 I'll let the others know.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at April 18, 2025 09:30 AM (O7YUW)

2 Perfect

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2025 09:30 AM (ypFCm)

3 thx cbd

Posted by: rhennigantx austere religious scholar at April 18, 2025 09:30 AM (gbOdA)

4 "It is finished".

Posted by: Tonypete at April 18, 2025 09:31 AM (vKNmo)

5 There was nothing to stand on. The cause of death was asphyxiation.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at April 18, 2025 09:32 AM (ZmEVT)

6 The Art Institute of Chicago

Artist
Francisco de Zurbarán
Title
The Crucifixion
Place
Spain (Artist's nationality

Date
1627
Medium
Oil on canvas
Inscriptions
Signed and dated bottom center: Franco Dezur / Fa 1627 (on a scrap of paper at the foot of the cross)
Dimensions
290.3 × 165.5 cm (114 5/16 × 65 3/16 in.); Framed: 339.1 × 212.1 × 14 cm (133 3/8 × 83 1/2 × 5 1/2 in.)

Posted by: rhennigantx austere religious scholar at April 18, 2025 09:32 AM (gbOdA)

7 You can see the three inscriptions at the top in Hebrew, Greek, and Latin.

Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 09:32 AM (77rzZ)

8 Lucky us.

Posted by: huerfano at April 18, 2025 09:33 AM (n2swS)

9 Thanks CBD.
Perfect for this day.

Posted by: Winston, trying to think up a new nic at April 18, 2025 09:33 AM (ue06Q)

10 37 Above his head they placed the written charge against him: this is jesus, the king of the jews.

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 18, 2025 09:33 AM (gbOdA)

11 Very simple and beautiful .
Thx CBD
A blessed Good Friday to all

Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 18, 2025 09:34 AM (6TePA)

12 There was nothing to stand on. The cause of death was asphyxiation.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at April 18, 2025 09:32 AM (ZmEVT)

And, occasionally, a spear to the ribs.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 18, 2025 09:34 AM (ExV1e)

13 thanks cbd

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at April 18, 2025 09:34 AM (2NHgQ)

14 There it is

Posted by: Otto Pen at April 18, 2025 09:34 AM (sJHOI)

15 Thank you for this painting on Good Friday.
Thank you for not selecting the Dali version.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 18, 2025 09:34 AM (Cki93)

16 Thank you, CBD, for the beautiful paintings this week. I appreciate your respect for Holy Week, and of course, your taste in art is on point. Beautiful curation!

Posted by: Moki at April 18, 2025 09:34 AM (wLjpr)

17 That's a very well done crucifixion painting. If one can have a favorite of this subject , the one that gives me the most reflection is Dali's Christ of St John of the Cross.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2025 09:34 AM (VofaG)

18 Thanks, CBD.
This is special!

Posted by: redridinghood at April 18, 2025 09:35 AM (NpAcC)

19
“Pilate also had an inscription written and put on the cross. It read, “Jesus the Nazorean, the King of the Jews.”

Now many of the Jews read this inscription, because the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city; and it was written in Hebrew, Latin, and Greek.

So the chief priests of the Jews said to Pilate, “Do not write ‘The King of the Jews,’ but that he said, ‘I am the King of the Jews.’”

Pilate answered, “What I have written, I have written.”

Posted by: John 19:19-23 at April 18, 2025 09:36 AM (dg+HA)

20 Thank you, CBD.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 18, 2025 09:36 AM (Aqu9a)

21 Pilate answered, “What I have written, I have written.”
Posted by: John 19:19-23

"Ho gegrafa, gegrafa."

Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 09:36 AM (77rzZ)

22 osted by: Lizzy at April 18, 2025 09:34 AM (Cki93)

What do you think is wrong with the Dali painting?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2025 09:36 AM (VofaG)

23 I also like El Greco's The Crucifixion .

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2025 09:39 AM (VofaG)

24 For God so loved the world...

Blessed Easter weekend to all.

Posted by: muldoon at April 18, 2025 09:39 AM (/iMjX)

25 Seeing these 1600s painting done to perfection only makes me disdain even more the last centuries impressionist garbage

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2025 09:40 AM (ypFCm)

26 I also like El Greco's The Crucifixion .
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth

Yes - his depiction of the skull and leg bone at the foot of the cross scared the hell out of me when I was a kid.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 18, 2025 09:40 AM (vKNmo)

27 >>What do you think is wrong with the Dali painting?

The minister of my childhood church had a huge copy of it behind his desk. The enlarged gold cross and square nails were just a little too trippy for me.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 18, 2025 09:40 AM (Cki93)

28 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Posted by: John 3:16 at April 18, 2025 09:41 AM (n2swS)

29 Thank you CBD very nice.

Posted by: ... at April 18, 2025 09:41 AM (u9Npv)

30 CBD -
Thank you for posting this. Excellent choice.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 18, 2025 09:42 AM (N39Ws)

31 Guessing we'll be short on sarc for this one.

Posted by: From about That Time at April 18, 2025 09:42 AM (n4GiU)

32 Painful just to look at.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 18, 2025 09:43 AM (Q4IgG)

33 He was scourged for hours before the crucifixion. If it was portrayed like that, it might have an even bigger impact.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 18, 2025 09:43 AM (lTGtQ)

34 >>Guessing we'll be short on sarc for this one.

No puns for me today.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 18, 2025 09:44 AM (Cki93)

35 Thank you.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at April 18, 2025 09:44 AM (G5oMy)

36 It's odd. As nice as this rendering is, it is definitely missing something. Feels bereft of emotion, tragedy, suffering, cost. Even the way the figure is posed -- he doesn't have the weight of gravity bearing on him. He is standing, like a model in a studio, not hanging, lifeless from the spikes in his hands. There is no trace of the scourging that preceded this awful event, nor of the crown that was thrust on his head. A nearly bloodless rendering of THE seminal shedding of blood.

Posted by: red speck at April 18, 2025 09:45 AM (0Id0S)

37 Kind of related. Hope that newer movie version of The Master and Margarita gets released here. Curious to see what they did with the Jesus/Pilate scenes. And of course Behemoth.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 18, 2025 09:45 AM (UBKzV)

38 Artist really nailed it.

Posted by: Oh, wait... at April 18, 2025 09:46 AM (dg+HA)

39 The realism he brings to his paintings is what makes them, especially this one, so powerful. There is nothing abstract or distant in the image. The viewer sees the suffering as if they were standing right there. As long as they look at it, they cannot escape the emotional reaction. The only relief is that Christ's body is clean and the cloth is pure. I don't know if that was to make the moment less horrific or was intended to inspire hope. One of the most powerful paintings of Christ on the cross I've seen.

Check out Francisco de Zurbarán's other paintings: mythology, still life, and nature. They bring a surprising level of detail and accuracy that is astonishing.

Posted by: JTB at April 18, 2025 09:47 AM (yTvNw)

40 From the Chicago page:

In 1627 Francisco de Zurbarán, then living and working in the provincial Spanish town of Llerena, painted this Crucifixion for the monastery of San Pablo el Real in prosperous Seville. In the dimly lit sacristy where it was installed, the image of Christ awed the faithful. A later commentator noted that it appeared to be a sculpture rather than a painting. Zurbarán envisioned the crucified Christ suspended outside of time and place. Conforming to Counter-Reformation dictates, the artist depicted the event occurring not in a crowd but in isolation. Emerging from a dark background, the austere figure has been both idealized in its quiet, graceful beauty and elegant rendering and humanized by the individualized face and insistent realism.

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 18, 2025 09:47 AM (gbOdA)

41 A prayer for all the morons observing Good Friday, especially morons who are silent.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at April 18, 2025 09:47 AM (RIvkX)

42 When was the message on the scroll changed from what is shown in this painting to the more commonly-seen (now) 4-letter message abbreviated as 'INRI' ('Iesus Nazareth Rex Iordium'?) I think I got the Latin right ...

Posted by: Dr_No at April 18, 2025 09:47 AM (ayRl+)

43 Pilate answered, “What I have written, I have written.”
Posted by: John 19:19-23

"Ho gegrafa, gegrafa."
Posted by: Bulg

I know he's a bad guy but did he have to call them hos?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 18, 2025 09:47 AM (L/fGl)

44 I don't think the Romans provided a foot step when crucifying people. Just sayin.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 18, 2025 09:48 AM (pZ64F)

45 The Chosen.

Posted by: Come and see at April 18, 2025 09:48 AM (dg+HA)

46 "Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

Happy Easter, all.

Posted by: red speck at April 18, 2025 09:50 AM (0Id0S)

47 Appropriate for the day.

Posted by: exdem13 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT at April 18, 2025 09:51 AM (XjTSo)

48 I don't think the Romans provided a foot step when crucifying people. Just sayin.
Posted by: Pudinhead

No. The whole point was to leave the person suspended vertically so that it became increasingly harder to breathe. Death by suffocation was the result, though sometimes it took days.

Jesus' death was relatively quick.

Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 09:51 AM (77rzZ)

49 38 >>>Artist really nailed it.

Is it getting hot in here?

Posted by: red speck at April 18, 2025 09:51 AM (0Id0S)

50 Posted by: red speck at April 18, 2025 09:45 AM (0Id0S)

Yes. It seems cold. Like a science project to be examined without emotion or engagement.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 18, 2025 09:51 AM (2J/Lj)

51 Earlier this week I mentioned my conversation with a sellf-described rabbi who lives in my neighborhood. At one point he said, "By the way, I can prove that Jesus did NOT rise from the dead."

I did not enter into that conversation because it is pointless (and I didn't want to laugh in his face). Neither he nor I nor any of you can "prove" one way or the other. The question is not about proof, it is about faith.

Posted by: muldoon at April 18, 2025 09:52 AM (/iMjX)

52 From the Chicago page:

In 1627 Francisco de Zurbarán, then living and working in the provincial Spanish town of Llerena, painted this Crucifixion for the monastery of San Pablo el Real in prosperous Seville.

For the barbershop?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 18, 2025 09:53 AM (/iLcI)

53 don't think the Romans provided a foot step when crucifying people. Just sayin.
Posted by: Pudinhead at April 18, 2025 09:48 AM (pZ64F)

Some appeared to, which served to prolong the suffering that preceded the death by slow suffocation. But it probably wasnt like that one in the painting.

Posted by: LASue at April 18, 2025 09:53 AM (lCppi)

54 No crown of thorns?

Posted by: Oh, sure. Everybody's a critic. at April 18, 2025 09:54 AM (dg+HA)

55 48 I don't think the Romans provided a foot step when crucifying people. Just sayin.
Posted by: Pudinhead

No. The whole point was to leave the person suspended vertically so that it became increasingly harder to breathe. Death by suffocation was the result, though sometimes it took days.

Jesus' death was relatively quick.
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Yep. That is my understanding of it. You basically die of a heart attack in less than an hour.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 18, 2025 09:54 AM (pZ64F)

56 Psalm 22:1

My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 18, 2025 09:55 AM (gbOdA)

57 Earlier this week I mentioned my conversation with a sellf-described rabbi who lives in my neighborhood. At one point he said, "By the way, I can prove that Jesus did NOT rise from the dead."

I did not enter into that conversation because it is pointless (and I didn't want to laugh in his face). Neither he nor I nor any of you can "prove" one way or the other. The question is not about proof, it is about faith.
Posted by: muldoon

Have you seen Risen? It's about a Roman officer's fruitless attempt to find Jesus' body. By the end, he has become a Christian as a result of the experience.

Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 09:55 AM (77rzZ)

58 Good core development. This Jesus worked out.

Seriously though, the detail in the muscle is impressive.

Posted by: brak at April 18, 2025 09:55 AM (jGJov)

59 51 >>>I did not enter into that conversation because it is pointless (and I didn't want to laugh in his face). Neither he nor I nor any of you can "prove" one way or the other. The question is not about proof, it is about faith.

I find it hard to understand how anyone would be euphoric to have "proof" that they were still condemned in their sin, not having heard from Yahweh in millennia. Odd thing to put your hope in.

Posted by: red speck at April 18, 2025 09:56 AM (0Id0S)

60 For the barbershop?
Posted by: rickb223 at April 18, 2025 09:53 AM (/iLcI)

Here in Texas we call that a 2fer.

Father forgive me and Make it high and tight on the sides.

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 18, 2025 09:56 AM (gbOdA)

61 Very well done, though it's a bit dark. I guess that was the point, though.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 18, 2025 09:57 AM (CHHv1)

62 I find it hard to understand how anyone would be euphoric to have "proof" that they were still condemned in their sin, not having heard from Yahweh in millennia. Odd thing to put your hope in.
Posted by: red speck

The evidence for the resurrection is greater than the evidence against it.

Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 09:57 AM (77rzZ)

63 60 For the barbershop?
Posted by: rickb223 at April 18, 2025 09:53 AM (/iLcI)

Here in Texas we call that a 2fer.

Father forgive me and Make it high and tight on the sides.
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No flat top. Or go full Mohican.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 18, 2025 09:57 AM (pZ64F)

64 Thank you for not selecting the Dali version.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 18, 2025 09:34 AM (Cki93)

It's art, but it's not respectful or powerful.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 18, 2025 09:58 AM (/5P9N)

65 @38
Posted by: Oh, wait

********

Way to read the room

Posted by: muldoon at April 18, 2025 09:58 AM (/iMjX)

66
“Truly this was the Son of God!”

Posted by: Matthew 27:54 at April 18, 2025 09:58 AM (dg+HA)

67 Learned last week that Jesus was put on the cross at the exact time of the morning temple sacrifice. And he died at the exact time of the evening one.

He literally was the sacrifice for us all to fulfill the law.

Posted by: SimoHayha at April 18, 2025 09:59 AM (qXL9c)

68 Interesting that the artist name is on that scrap of paper.

Posted by: rhennigantx at April 18, 2025 10:00 AM (gbOdA)

69 56 >>>Psalm 22:1
My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?

All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD. All the families of the nations will bow down before Him. For dominion belongs to the LORD
and He rules over the nations.

All the rich of the earth will feast and worship; all who go down to the dust will kneel before Him—even those unable to preserve their lives.

Posterity will serve Him; they will declare the Lord to a new generation. They will come and proclaim His righteousness to a people yet unborn—all that He has done.

Posted by: red speck at April 18, 2025 10:00 AM (0Id0S)

70 Part of the humiliation of crucifixion then was that the crucified man was hung completely naked for all to observe, I have read… that would have been terrible for those times ( or any time, I suppose)…

Posted by: tubal at April 18, 2025 10:01 AM (PCK5/)

71 Thank you for selecting this painting for this day.

A request for assistance: I have looked for two paintings of Christ and the cross that have been posted here before. One was Jesus on the cross but with His Head lifted. The other was Jesus with a cross in front of Him, the impression I got was that the cross belonged to the viewer. If someone is able to post a link to either of those paintings, I would appreciate it.

Thanks in advance. I may not be able to respond later.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 18, 2025 10:02 AM (PcTds)

72 My brother had the cast recording of Jesus Christ, Superstar when I was a kid.

The Crucifixion scene always freaked me out, with the voices of the crowd getting higher in pitch, and garbled together, as Jesus dies.

Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 10:02 AM (77rzZ)

73 Interesting that the artist name is on that scrap of paper.

Posted by: rhennigantx

It is very mysterious, because the crucifixion occurred 1600 years before he was born.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at April 18, 2025 10:02 AM (lTGtQ)

74
"And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split."

Posted by: Matthew 27:51 at April 18, 2025 10:02 AM (dg+HA)

75 51 Earlier this week I mentioned my conversation with a sellf-described rabbi who lives in my neighborhood. At one point he said, "By the way, I can prove that Jesus did NOT rise from the dead."

I did not enter into that conversation because it is pointless (and I didn't want to laugh in his face). Neither he nor I nor any of you can "prove" one way or the other. The question is not about proof, it is about faith.
Posted by: muldoon
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FWIW, over on Insty, Mark Tapscott put up his annual Hill Faith apologetic explaining evidence for the resurrection.

And just recently, archaeologists found in a dig within the Church of the Holy Selpulcher during remodeling and strengthening the structure (damaged by past earthquakes) signs that the tomb had gardens surrounding it.

Evidence is there if one seeks proof. Likewise, there is never absolute certainty in almost anything so the link between evidence and beliefs is faith.

Posted by: whig at April 18, 2025 10:03 AM (ctrM5)

76 Interesting that the artist name is on that scrap of paper.

Posted by: rhennigantx

It is very mysterious, because the crucifixion occurred 1600 years before he was born.
Posted by: Thomas Paine

I suspect alien involvement.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 18, 2025 10:04 AM (2J/Lj)

77 I can read the Latin: Iesus nazaranus rex iudæorem. I would have thought it would be nazarensis and similarly for “of the Jews”. But I’ve only self-taught myself about a semester’s worth of Latin. Does anyone know Latin better than I? Also, I can’t really make out the Greek (little Latin and less Greek). I thought Basileion would be used for king. Does anyone here read Greek? Presumably koine. Finally I have no Hebrew. Was the inscription in Hebrew or Aramaic? They use the same letters and many believe (as I do) that Jesus spoke Aramaic as his everyday language. It would have been the lingua Franca of his hometown Nazareth (yes, I know Bethlehem, but he grew up in Nazareth). He read Hebrew and probably spoke koine and Latin, as well. I know the argument that he could and can speak all languages being God and very God. I seem to remember an SF short story wherein Jesus is giving the sermon on the mount when he turns to a time traveler in the audience and tells him in perfect modern English to go back where he came from - he didn’t belong there. That must have been a Christian author.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at April 18, 2025 10:04 AM (g/Chl)

78 Learned last week that Jesus was put on the cross at the exact time of the morning temple sacrifice. And he died at the exact time of the evening one.

He literally was the sacrifice for us all to fulfill the law.
Posted by: SimoHayha at April 18, 2025

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I admit I'm fuzzy on the whole timing thing. Jesus was mounted on the cross in the morning. But doesn't the Bible say it was "the ninth hour" when He cried out for the last time, and died? Now the Romans counted from sunrise, which in spring would have been about six am, and the ninth hour would have been three pm. (They did the same in winter, but the hours were just shorter.) So He was up there for some five or six hours?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at April 18, 2025 10:04 AM (omVj0)

79 Interesting that the artist name is on that scrap of paper.

Posted by: rhennigantx

It is very mysterious, because the crucifixion occurred 1600 years before he was born.
Posted by: Thomas Paine

Matthew 19:26
but with God, all things are possible.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 18, 2025 10:05 AM (/iLcI)

80 Learned last week that Jesus was put on the cross at the exact time of the morning temple sacrifice. And he died at the exact time of the evening one.
Posted by: SimoHayha

Wasn't he only on the cross for three hours, though? That doesn't sound like enough time to span both the morning sacrifice and the evening one.

And I think he died about 3PM, which doesn't sound like "evening" to me. (Even though it was dark due to His death.)

Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 10:05 AM (77rzZ)

81 The tearing of the veil around the Holy od Holies is the end of the separation from God that prevailed before that moment… for that we should be profoundly grateful…

Posted by: tubal at April 18, 2025 10:05 AM (PCK5/)

82 About the possibility of the footrest (suppedaneum):

Next, the feet were fixed to the cross, either by nails or ropes. Ossuary findings and the Shroud of Turin suggest that nailing was the preferred Roman practice. (23, 24, 30) Although the feet could be fixed to the sides of the stipes or to a wooden footrest (suppedaneum), they usually were nailed directly to the front of the stipes (Fig 5). (11) To accomplish this, flexion of the knees may have been quite prominent, and the bent legs may have been rotated laterally (Fig 6). (23, 24, 25, 30)

Posted by: LASue at April 18, 2025 10:05 AM (lCppi)

83 72 My brother had the cast recording of Jesus Christ, Superstar when I was a kid.

The Crucifixion scene always freaked me out, with the voices of the crowd getting higher in pitch, and garbled together, as Jesus dies.
Posted by: Bulg
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I loathed that movie as a kid. More a Ten Commandments movie fan.

An epic movie of Joshua and the conquering of the Holy Land would also be interesting to see if Hollyweird had no part in making it. Waiting for Gibson's Resurrection movie as well.

Posted by: whig at April 18, 2025 10:06 AM (ctrM5)

84 >>>38 Artist really nailed it

Would hang

Posted by: sacrilicious at April 18, 2025 10:06 AM (xTCLh)

85 Earlier this week I mentioned my conversation with a sellf-described rabbi who lives in my neighborhood. At one point he said, "By the way, I can prove that Jesus did NOT rise from the dead."

Posted by: muldoon at April 18, 2025 09:52 AM (/iMjX)

I would be shocked if he were a real Rabbi.

Real Rabbis don't question the faith of others. They respect it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 18, 2025 10:06 AM (/5P9N)

86 What is the Horde's opinion on the Shroud of Turin?

Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 10:07 AM (77rzZ)

87 “ It was now about noon, and darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon, for the sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two. Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.”When he had said this, he breathed his last.”

Luke 23:44-46

Posted by: Marcus T at April 18, 2025 10:07 AM (mwv1/)

88 85
I would be shocked if he were a real Rabbi.

Real Rabbis don't question the faith of others. They respect it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 18, 2025 10:06 AM (/5P9N)

=======

Cousin Levi's Online Emporium of Rabbi Certificates and Plumbing Services is a perfectly acceptable place to receive the title, right?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 18, 2025 10:09 AM (GBKbO)

89 86 What is the Horde's opinion on the Shroud of Turin?
Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 10:07 AM (77rzZ)

Honestly? I am agnostic on the piece of cloth… maybe, maybe not. My faith does not hinge on any relic.

Posted by: tubal at April 18, 2025 10:09 AM (PCK5/)

90 "Putting Synoptic Gospels’ accounts together, Jesus was crucified at the third hour. Darkness descended at the sixth hour until the ninth hour, and Jesus died about the ninth hour. Jesus was on the cross for about six hours, three of those in total darkness. ...the Jewish day started at sundown, but hours were counted from sunup, which would be roughly 6:00 AM. So the third hour when Jesus was crucified would be three hours after sunup, or about 9:00 AM. The sixth hour when darkness descended would be roughly noon, and the ninth hour when Jesus died would be about 3:00 PM."

How empty the world must have been at 3:01 pm

Posted by: LASue at April 18, 2025 10:11 AM (lCppi)

91 My faith does not hinge on any relic.
Posted by: tubal

Nor does mine. But it's a fascinating subject.

Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 10:11 AM (77rzZ)

92 According to the Gospel of MarK, Jesus was on the cross for six hours -9:00 a.m until 3:00.

Thanks for the painting, CBD.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 18, 2025 10:12 AM (b2vtS)

93 91 My faith does not hinge on any relic.
Posted by: tubal

Nor does mine. But it's a fascinating subject.
Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 10:11 AM (77rzZ)

I may have come across as critical towards you there… sorry.

Posted by: tubal at April 18, 2025 10:12 AM (PCK5/)

94 I would be shocked if he were a real Rabbi.

Real Rabbis don't question the faith of others. They respect it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Eh, a bit like the True Scotsman fallacy. Bigotry is something that unfortunately comes easy to humans of all stripes even when they fundamentally agree on 90 percent of the same issue.

Posted by: whig at April 18, 2025 10:13 AM (ctrM5)

95 What is the Horde's opinion on the Shroud of Turin?
Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 10:07 AM (77rzZ)

I believe it really is Christ's visage, formed by some supernatural burst of energy that still cannot be dully explained , but is likened to the energy released by an atomic bomb The new findings on the shroud are pretty incredible. Boy, would i love to see it in person someday.

Posted by: LASue at April 18, 2025 10:14 AM (lCppi)

96 >>At one point he said, "By the way, I can prove that Jesus did NOT rise from the dead."

What a peach.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 18, 2025 10:14 AM (Cki93)

97 I may have come across as critical towards you there… sorry.
Posted by: tubal

No prob. Even the Catholic Church does not take an official position on the Shroud, so obviously they don't think it's crucial to one's faith, either.

But, as I said, I think it's a fascinating question.

Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 10:14 AM (77rzZ)

98 Perhaps I'm mistaken but I thought that when He died, the skies turned as dark as night. I seem to remember that from Sunday school. If that is correct then this work depicts the moments immediately following His death. But His injuries were not healed. So why are the injuries not depicted here? Why not show the signs of His torture and suffering?

This is an amazing work but it seems cold to me. We aren't allowed to see how He suffered for us.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 18, 2025 10:15 AM (2J/Lj)

99 86 What is the Horde's opinion on the Shroud of Turin?
Posted by: Bulg
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Inexplicable and we have no technology to duplicate just how it was done and the ancients show no such sign that they developed it either as you would have found more shrouds such as the Shroud of Turin.

Again, turns ultimately on faith separating those that believe and those that do not. Sheep and goats in biblical language which is actually a real thing that shepherds even today have to accomplish when separating them for foraging. Goats can eat what sheep cannot and are more sure footed to eat on rocky hillsides. Sheep need better forage. And so on.

Posted by: whig at April 18, 2025 10:17 AM (ctrM5)

100 By the way, study of the Shroud of Turin is known as "sindonology."

Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 10:19 AM (77rzZ)

101 I seem to have gotten fixated on the inscription and not commented on the actual scene. The reviling and torture unto death of our Savior is just so awful. I agree that this depiction, masterful in its artistry, softens the horribleness of his suffering. Even so, it is so very hard to look at. Thank God He accomplished what He set out to do! And how horrible that He paid my sins, all my sins, this way! Thank you Lord!

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at April 18, 2025 10:20 AM (g/Chl)

102 85
'I would be shocked if he were a real Rabbi.

Real Rabbis don't question the faith of others. They respect it.'

Knowing when and whether to judge other people is a very difficult discipline. It always has been for me. Respect to the Rabbis that manage it.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 18, 2025 10:20 AM (3wi/L)

103 I can read the Latin: Iesus nazaranus rex iudæorem. I would have thought it would be nazarensis and similarly for “of the Jews”.

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My guess is "nazaranus" is the first and second conjugation adjective modifying "Iesus" rather than the genetive.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 18, 2025 10:21 AM (L/fGl)

104 I loathed that movie as a kid. More a Ten Commandments movie fan.
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Tarzan movies always satisfy.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 18, 2025 10:21 AM (pZ64F)

105
Real Rabbis don't question the faith of others. They respect it

I would expect a serious adherent of any religion to believe their own to be correct and doubt the truth of others, though.

Posted by: brak at April 18, 2025 10:22 AM (jGJov)

106 Wonderful work even though Francisco was obviously not familiar with the details.

Posted by: Oglebay at April 18, 2025 10:22 AM (MMp6W)

107 Somebody mentioned the Four Chaplains in the MR thread. They also gave their lives for others. True heroes.

Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 10:23 AM (77rzZ)

108 I remember those on Saturday morning tv. Jane was all right but again, Tarzan was not my speed. Bugs Bunny and Looney Tunes was.

Posted by: whig at April 18, 2025 10:23 AM (ctrM5)

109 Tragedy!

Biden Drops His Melting Ice Cream Bar After Being Smuggled into Harvard to Make Surprise Appearance

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 18, 2025 10:23 AM (L/fGl)

110 100 By the way, study of the Shroud of Turin is known as "sindonology."
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The newer story is it is the image Jacques de Molay, the last Grand Master of the Knights Templar burnt at the stake by King Philip IV of France in 1314.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 18, 2025 10:24 AM (pZ64F)

111 Good core development. This Jesus worked out.

Seriously though, the detail in the muscle is impressive.
Posted by: brak at April 18, 2025 09:55 AM (jGJov)

An excerpt from Ernest Hemingway's "A Farewell to Arms":

“Do you know anything about art?”

“Rubens,” said Catherine.

“Large and fat,” I said.

“Titian,” Catherine said.

“Titian-haired,” I said. “How about Mantegna?”

“Don’t ask hard ones,” Catherine said. “I know him though—very bitter.”

“Very bitter,” I said. “Lots of nail holes.”

“You see I’ll make you a fine wife,” Catherine said. “I’ll be able to talk art with your customers.”

Posted by: mrp at April 18, 2025 10:24 AM (rj6Yv)

112 CBD, thank you for your art postings this week. The HQ runs the gamut of religious beliefs… from none to indifferent to believers… of various faiths. You have went out of your way to be gracious to those of us of the Christian “ persuasion” so.. thanks.

Posted by: tubal at April 18, 2025 10:24 AM (PCK5/)

113 I believe the shroud of Turin is the real deal, but it would not shake my faith one iota if it were shown to be a pious fraud. This coming from a Reformed Church Protestant.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at April 18, 2025 10:24 AM (g/Chl)

114 Ron Ely was a fine actor and the best Tarzan, despite my parents' mumbling about Johnny Weissmuller.

Posted by: Oglebay at April 18, 2025 10:24 AM (MMp6W)

115 The newer story is it is the image Jacques de Molay, the last Grand Master of the Knights Templar burnt at the stake by King Philip IV of France in 1314.
Posted by: Pudinhead

Fake news! Molay escaped to Oak Island with the rest of the Order.

Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 10:25 AM (77rzZ)

116 Interesting that the artist name is on that scrap of paper.
Posted by: rhennigantx

Copyright infringement was a problem even in the 1600s

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2025 10:26 AM (ypFCm)

117 115 The newer story is it is the image Jacques de Molay, the last Grand Master of the Knights Templar burnt at the stake by King Philip IV of France in 1314.
Posted by: Pudinhead

Fake news! Molay escaped to Oak Island with the rest of the Order.
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He may be buried there.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 18, 2025 10:26 AM (pZ64F)

118 CBD, sent you an email with a possible art thread entry. Just an fyi.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 18, 2025 10:26 AM (/iLcI)

119 I believe the shroud of Turin is the real deal, but it would not shake my faith one iota if it were shown to be a pious fraud. This coming from a Reformed Church Protestant.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit

This is my opinion, as well. Coming from a Presbyterian.

Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 10:26 AM (77rzZ)

120 My song celebrating the UK court ruling men are not women.

You're not woman, hear me roar
In numbers too big to ignore
And I know too much to go back an' pretend

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 18, 2025 10:26 AM (L/fGl)

121 114 Ron Ely was a fine actor and the best Tarzan, despite my parents' mumbling about Johnny Weissmuller.
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Imma Wessmuller kind of guy. That Tarzan was expert at tipping canoes and taking out crocodiles.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 18, 2025 10:27 AM (pZ64F)

122 @111 A Farewell to Arms - this about me isn't it, Michelle Fields

Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 18, 2025 10:27 AM (6TePA)

123 Wakes up
Scratches
Looks around
Dang. Falls to knees and gives thanks.
Goes looking for coffee.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 18, 2025 10:28 AM (W/lyH)

124 This is my opinion, as well. Coming from a Presbyterian.
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Bulg, you a Presbyterian, too?

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 18, 2025 10:28 AM (pZ64F)

125 Superb choice of art today.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 18, 2025 10:28 AM (PMtkd)

126 Bulg, you a Presbyterian, too?
Posted by: Pudinhead

Yep. Lifelong.

Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 10:28 AM (77rzZ)

127 I like Ben Hur as a Good Friday, Easter Weekend movie.

Posted by: Seems Legit at April 18, 2025 10:30 AM (PMtkd)

128 Nate Silver says AOC is the Dim favorite for 2028.

https://tinyurl.com/jdbfka39

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at April 18, 2025 10:31 AM (paSBy)

129 Presbyterian - PCA, PCUSA, or something else? (If I’m not being nosy).

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at April 18, 2025 10:31 AM (g/Chl)

130 126 Bulg, you a Presbyterian, too?
Posted by: Pudinhead

Yep. Lifelong.
Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 10:28 AM (77rzZ)

I was a Presbyterian… in another denomination now.

Posted by: tubal at April 18, 2025 10:32 AM (PCK5/)

131 I would expect a serious adherent of any religion to believe their own to be correct and doubt the truth of others, though.
Posted by: brak
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As they should, if the spiritual leaders do not believe in the tenets of their own faith, then they should not be a leader.

But, a lot depends on the exact exchange between people that we do not know. If the rabbi (or purported rabbi) had Jesus smacked in his face, then he might have replied in kind.

More or less, the division between Judaism and Christianity is identifying Christ as the Messiah. Both faiths rely on the prophesies in the Old Testament to make their case and the few historical facts and accounts to buttress their opinions--Messiah or not.

Christians take the first and Judaism the second which makes Christianity a heresy for Jews at the time and perhaps false teaching for Gentiles. Strictly speaking Christian Gentiles cannot be heretics from Judaism so there is that.

Islam classifies Jesus as a prophet which may also indicate past influences by iconoclasts in the Byzantine Church, Nestorians, Arianism, and various other disputes about the divinity and type of divinity Jesus represented.

Posted by: whig at April 18, 2025 10:32 AM (ctrM5)

132 Presbyterian - PCA, PCUSA, or something else? (If I’m not being nosy).
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit

Whichever one it was that broke up into northern and southern denominations during the Civil War, and then reunited in the late 70s or early 80s. PCA, I think.

Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 10:33 AM (77rzZ)

133 A farewell to arms - the FALN (Puerto Rico separatist numbskulls) inept bomb maker Willie Morales is apparently still alive in Cuba.

Posted by: Oglebay at April 18, 2025 10:33 AM (MMp6W)

134
Breaking: Kilmar Abrego Garcia replaces David Hogg as Democrat party co-chair 'cause gun control is so 2015 and MS-13 freedom fighters are dreamy.

Posted by: Auspex at April 18, 2025 10:34 AM (j4U/Z)

135 How lovely of you, CBD! Thank you!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at April 18, 2025 10:35 AM (Vvh2V)

136 "By the way, I can prove that Jesus did NOT rise from the dead."

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The entire idea of proving or disproving the divinity of God or Jesus is misbegotten in that it is a matter of faith. If God had wished to allow such proof by science He could have done so; He chose not to. Subjecting divinity to science is like subjecting love to geometry.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 18, 2025 10:36 AM (L/fGl)

137 Dear Bulg, I am PCA, was PCUSA, started out in the Disciples of Christ.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at April 18, 2025 10:36 AM (g/Chl)

138 The newer story is it is the image Jacques de Molay, the last Grand Master of the Knights Templar burnt at the stake by King Philip IV of France in 1314.
Posted by: Pudinhead
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Um, I think you are joking. Hard to make such an image of someone who was incinerated to ashes.

And given the apparent imaging of coins over the eyes in the shroud and signs of wounds from crucifixion, unlikely to be of a live person.

Posted by: whig at April 18, 2025 10:36 AM (ctrM5)

139 Greatly appreciated, CBD.

Posted by: L - No nic, another fine day at April 18, 2025 10:37 AM (NFX2v)

140 Breaking: Kilmar Abrego Garcia replaces David Hogg as Democrat party co-chair 'cause gun control is so 2015 and MS-13 freedom fighters are dreamy.
Posted by: Auspex

The bartender is coming on strong!

David Freedlander@freedlander
Both ⁦@NateSilver538⁩ and ⁦@galendruke⁩ say that the likeliest next nominee of the Democratic Party is ⁦⁦@AOC

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I'm shaken, not stirred.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 18, 2025 10:38 AM (L/fGl)

141 Perhaps I'm mistaken but I thought that when He died, the skies turned as dark as night. I seem to remember that from Sunday school. If that is correct then this work depicts the moments immediately following His death. But His injuries were not healed. So why are the injuries not depicted here? Why not show the signs of His torture and suffering?

This is an amazing work but it seems cold to me. We aren't allowed to see how He suffered for us.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 18, 2025 10:15 AM (2J/Lj)

You're right. It's way too sterile. Crucifixion was a brutal, dirty, and bloody type of execution. No one looked good hanging on the cross.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at April 18, 2025 10:39 AM (g8Ew8)

142 Dear Bulg, I am PCA, was PCUSA, started out in the Disciples of Christ.
Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit

Disciples of Christ to PCA sounds like a big switch to me, yes?

Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 10:40 AM (77rzZ)

143 The entire idea of proving or disproving the divinity of God or Jesus is misbegotten in that it is a matter of faith. If God had wished to allow such proof by science He could have done so; He chose not to. Subjecting divinity to science is like subjecting love to geometry.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

Part of the argument, I think, was a controversial ossuary with possibly the name of Jesus on it. Problem with that is the name Jesus in Hebrew was not uncommon at the time especially after the crucifixion. It also assumes that roughly 500 or so witnesses were lying as to the Resurrection. In the end, it always comes down to belief and people will rearrange the facts in a way that makes sense to them.

Posted by: whig at April 18, 2025 10:41 AM (ctrM5)

144 Actually, instead of Presbyterian, I should have said that I am a member of God's Frozen People.

Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 10:41 AM (77rzZ)

145 144 Actually, instead of Presbyterian, I should have said that I am a member of God's Frozen People.
Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 10:41 AM (77rzZ)

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Ah, a fellow Meat Popsicle.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 18, 2025 10:42 AM (GBKbO)

146 Ah, a fellow Meat Popsicle.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

I thought you were RC?

Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 10:42 AM (77rzZ)

147 The Frozen Chosen… ah yes.

Posted by: tubal at April 18, 2025 10:42 AM (PCK5/)

148 >>Nate Silver says AOC is the Dim favorite for 2028.

Oh, I hope so.

Posted by: one hour sober at April 18, 2025 10:43 AM (Y1sOo)

149 Michael Dorstewitz: GOP Always Embraces Freedom, Left Never Lets Go of Oppression

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GOP Always Embraces Freedom? Is this the Twilight Zone?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 18, 2025 10:43 AM (L/fGl)

150 146 Ah, a fellow Meat Popsicle.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

I thought you were RC?
Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 10:42 AM (77rzZ)

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I'm gonna need a drop in from Ben Roethlisberger to explain the joke.

But yes, I am Roman Catholic.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 18, 2025 10:43 AM (GBKbO)

151 Nate Silver says AOC is the Dim favorite for 2028.

https://tinyurl.com/jdbfka39

Silver's entire career exists because he was right once. He hasn't been since then.

That said, AOC is certainly one of the likely candidates.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 18, 2025 10:43 AM (2ocoG)

152 You're right. It's way too sterile. Crucifixion was a brutal, dirty, and bloody type of execution. No one looked good hanging on the cross.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at April 18, 2025 10:39 AM (g8Ew

Especially after being lashed with Roman whips and with a scalp impaled by a crown of thorns.

Posted by: mrp at April 18, 2025 10:43 AM (rj6Yv)

153 Are you surprised story - the drummer for the Canadian band New Pornographers was arrested for photography young boys in restrooms and for child pornography. Winder if the band will change its name?

Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 18, 2025 10:43 AM (6TePA)

154 SBC here…. I will show myself out…

Posted by: tubal at April 18, 2025 10:43 AM (PCK5/)

155 148 >>Nate Silver says AOC is the Dim favorite for 2028.

Oh, I hope so.
Posted by: one hour sober at April 18, 2025 10:43 AM (Y1sOo)

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The Democrat field is going to be an arrangement of screechy and dumb women with a couple of guys off to the side getting no traction.

I wonder if that'll help them with Hispanic and black men or not.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 18, 2025 10:44 AM (GBKbO)

156 Surely this was the Son of God

Posted by: toby928 at April 18, 2025 10:44 AM (jc0TO)

157 Re: FSU Shooter, someone did some actual journalism.

>>>Ikner's father told police that his son "has developmental delays and has special needs which he feared would not be taken care of." The document later identifies that Ikner was on medication for a growth hormone disorder and ADHD.

https://tinyurl.com/bdz54up2

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at April 18, 2025 10:45 AM (i24o9)

158 'Fake news! Molay escaped to Oak Island with the rest of the Order.'

Molay! Molay!

Posted by: Miami Sound Machine at April 18, 2025 10:45 AM (3wi/L)

159 A phrase stood out from last night's Mass so I will share it per the AoS styleguide.

I saw Executing Judgement on All the Gods of Egypt at Passover in 1451BC

source: Exodus 12:12

Posted by: haffhowershower at April 18, 2025 10:46 AM (144I4)

160 151 Nate Silver says AOC is the Dim favorite for 2028.

https://tinyurl.com/jdbfka39

Silver's entire career exists because he was right once. He hasn't been since then.

That said, AOC is certainly one of the likely candidates.
Posted by: Ian S. at April 18, 2025 10:43 AM (2ocoG)

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She's likelier now than before the last election.

And she could be the bridge between Bernie's enthusiastic base and the establishment who control AOC.

Still, if Kamala runs, she runs away with it. She'll get something like 60% of the vote in the SC primary, a bunch of nobodies will drop out, she'll get a few more percent from those dropouts and people accepting the inevitable, and then she'll coast before Super Tuesday even shows up.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 18, 2025 10:46 AM (GBKbO)

161 GOP Always Embraces Freedom? Is this the Twilight Zone?

Ok, ok. The GOP always TELLS you it embraces freedom. Staunchly!

Posted by: t-bird at April 18, 2025 10:46 AM (nNGXU)

162 No, tubal, you can stay!

CBD, I've said this to you before, but it bears repeating. I really appreciate how you treat Christianity and believers with respect, and the art that represents our faith as well. Thank you so much.

Posted by: TecumsehTea at April 18, 2025 10:47 AM (Eo96p)

163 "Morning Joe" Panel Spends Over 7 Minutes Blowing Off Evidence Against Alleged MS-13 Gangster

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Well, Joe has a certain affinity for woman batterers.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 18, 2025 10:48 AM (L/fGl)

164 Nate Silver says AOC is the Dim favorite for 2028.

Oh, I hope so.
Posted by: one hour sober at April 18, 2025 10:43 AM (Y1sOo)

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The Democrat field is going to be an arrangement of screechy and dumb women with a couple of guys off to the side getting no traction.

I wonder if that'll help them with Hispanic and black men or not.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 18, 2025 10:44 AM (GBKbO)
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AOC might not win her own primary in 2028. This is pure stupidity and madness. Women (mostly leftwing) are clowning themselves wherever you look, from idiot THOTs screeching in a Bitch Dick Rocket, to crying over a homo murderer, to generally being whiny crybabies.

I think the next few election cycles are going to be male dominated. Men have certainly had enough of women's bullshit, and I suspect many women have too.

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 18, 2025 10:49 AM (iFTx/)

165 163 "Morning Joe" Panel Spends Over 7 Minutes Blowing Off Evidence Against Alleged MS-13 Gangster

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Well, Joe has a certain affinity for woman batterers.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 18, 2025 10:48 AM (L/fGl)

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"You can only deport someone if you get SCOTUS to review evidence of gang membership and you get an unanimous ruling."
-the implication

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 18, 2025 10:49 AM (GBKbO)

166 Subjecting divinity to science is like subjecting love to geometry.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 18, 2025 10:36 AM (L/fGl)

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Shall I compare thee to an isosceles triangle?
Thou art more lovely and more temperate:

Posted by: ShainS -- Waking Up Early is White Supremacy at April 18, 2025 10:50 AM (arzIt)

167 164 AOC might not win her own primary in 2028. This is pure stupidity and madness. Women (mostly leftwing) are clowning themselves wherever you look, from idiot THOTs screeching in a Bitch Dick Rocket, to crying over a homo murderer, to generally being whiny crybabies.

I think the next few election cycles are going to be male dominated. Men have certainly had enough of women's bullshit, and I suspect many women have too.
Posted by: Elric Blade at April 18, 2025 10:49 AM (iFTx/)

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Women are ruling the Democrat party now.

I think they represent something like 60% of the actual Democrat Party.

And black women love (love) Kamala. And white women love both. (Black women will be about 65% of the SC primary vote.)

They're getting women candidates for a while. The screechier the better.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 18, 2025 10:50 AM (GBKbO)

168 I am sure the Democrats candidate in 2028 will drop the Democrat labke and just be Marxist candidate

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2025 10:50 AM (ypFCm)

169 Are you surprised story - the drummer for the Canadian band New Pornographers was arrested for photography young boys in restrooms and for child pornography. Winder if the band will change its name?
Posted by: Smell the Glove

Too on the nose?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 18, 2025 10:51 AM (L/fGl)

170 We will have a Good Friday service at our church tonight… a very somber affair, very important.

Posted by: tubal at April 18, 2025 10:51 AM (PCK5/)

171 Subjecting divinity to science is like subjecting love to geometry.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
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I seem to recall Pythogorean theory actually being used to support one or the other Greek religions. Foggy memory of that though.

Posted by: whig at April 18, 2025 10:52 AM (ctrM5)

172 163
'"Morning Joe" Panel Spends Over 7 Minutes Blowing Off Evidence Against Alleged MS-13 Gangster'

Joe will always be the guy that kneeled to Trump to people on the left. There aren't enough years left in the century for him to erase that.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 18, 2025 10:53 AM (3wi/L)

173 Women (mostly leftwing) are clowning themselves wherever you look, from idiot THOTs screeching in a Bitch Dick Rocket, to crying over a homo murderer, to generally being whiny crybabies.

I think the next few election cycles are going to be male dominated. Men have certainly had enough of women's bullshit, and I suspect many women have too.
Posted by: Elric Blade at April 18, 2025 10:49 AM (iFTx/)

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Women are ruling the Democrat party now.

I think they represent something like 60% of the actual Democrat Party.

And black women love (love) Kamala. And white women love both. (Black women will be about 65% of the SC primary vote.)

They're getting women candidates for a while. The screechier the better.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 18, 2025 10:50 AM (GBKbO)
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Nah. This is all fake PR and gaslighting. If anyone loved Kamala, she might have made it to one primary in 2020, and not gotten fisted in 2024. Nobody likes her, nobody ever wanted her for anything other than blowjobs, and she's already past her sell-by date. The nominee in 2028 will be a white male.

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 18, 2025 10:53 AM (iFTx/)

174 When you're one big surprise
For the Oak Island guys

That's de Molay!

Posted by: muldoon at April 18, 2025 10:54 AM (/iMjX)

175 In case you missed the post in JJ's morning thread, here is a link to Jewell's obit.

https://tinyurl.com/JewellsObit

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 18, 2025 10:55 AM (N39Ws)

176 The Democrat field is going to be an arrangement of screechy and dumb women with a couple of guys off to the side getting no traction.

I wonder if that'll help them with Hispanic and black men or not.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 18, 2025 10:44 AM (GBKbO)

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Tampon Tim will hand-off the mantel of "America's Dad" to The Fiercely Heterosexual Corey Booker.

Kotex Corey?

Posted by: ShainS -- Waking Up Early is White Supremacy at April 18, 2025 10:55 AM (arzIt)

177 173 Nah. This is all fake PR and gaslighting. If anyone loved Kamala, she might have made it to one primary in 2020, and not gotten fisted in 2024. Nobody likes her, nobody ever wanted her for anything other than blowjobs, and she's already past her sell-by date. The nominee in 2028 will be a white male.
Posted by: Elric Blade at April 18, 2025 10:53 AM (iFTx/)

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Nobody liked Joe Biden until he was Obama's VP.

Name recognition does so much, and losing unfairly (Trump mean...Biden stayed in too long, whatever) combines with that to make her the biggest victim in Democrat politics right now.

No white dude has a chance. Buttigieg has a better chance of being the Kamala 2020 of 2028 than of Kamala losing the nomination.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 18, 2025 10:55 AM (GBKbO)

178
Dark thunderstorm rolling over West Michigan this morning, very appropriate.

No Good Friday services today, this was a no work day growing up.

Posted by: Auspex at April 18, 2025 10:56 AM (j4U/Z)

179 If God had wished to allow such proof by science He could have done so; He chose not to.

There would be no point. "Science" thinks men can be women.

Posted by: t-bird at April 18, 2025 10:56 AM (MyGJ0)

180 > Nate Silver says AOC is the Dim favorite for 2028.
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Between now and then both Newsom and Whitmer have time to repair their respective images after being savaged by Trump. Van Hollen is polishing his leftist bona fides as we speak. I doubt it will be Kamala. Her dismal performance after the left sidelined *biden pretty much makes her ineligible at this point.

Sandy Cortez will get owned by anyone running against her. She's dumber than Kamala. No amount of stage managing can help her.

I think the left will trot out someone new and certainly younger than their last offering.

YMMV

Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 18, 2025 10:56 AM (Q4IgG)

181 They're getting women candidates for a while. The screechier the better.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 18, 2025 10:50 AM (GBKbO)

Are you saying they're going to the Kamala well in 2028 again?

Posted by: ... at April 18, 2025 10:57 AM (u9Npv)

182 I seem to recall Pythogorean theory actually being used to support one or the other Greek religions.

********

♫
Angles we have heard on high...

Posted by: muldoon at April 18, 2025 10:57 AM (/iMjX)

183 The Disciples of Christ came out of the Presbyterian church back in the day and were not the mess they are today. My sister, brought up in the same church, now says the Disciples set up Jonestown.That’s not quite true, the sect that set up Jonestown split off from the Disciples. Sister is now Southern Baptist. Joining PCUSA was my late wife’s influence. We always looked for a Bible believing (and preaching) minister. Eventually that became too difficult in the PCUSA. It’s much better in the PCA. My current church has been a real support to me, both spiritually and personally. The don’t give in to the fault James chided Christians for of wishing someone well but then not doing anything. They pitch in and help!

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at April 18, 2025 10:57 AM (g/Chl)

184 Nah. This is all fake PR and gaslighting. If anyone loved Kamala, she might have made it to one primary in 2020, and not gotten fisted in 2024. Nobody likes her, nobody ever wanted her for anything other than blowjobs, and she's already past her sell-by date. The nominee in 2028 will be a white male.
Posted by: Elric Blade at April 18, 2025 10:53 AM (iFTx/)

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Nobody liked Joe Biden until he was Obama's VP.

Name recognition does so much, and losing unfairly (Trump mean...Biden stayed in too long, whatever) combines with that to make her the biggest victim in Democrat politics right now.

No white dude has a chance. Buttigieg has a better chance of being the Kamala 2020 of 2028 than of Kamala losing the nomination.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 18, 2025 10:55 AM (GBKbO)
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There is zero chance she gets the nomination. ZERO. POINT. ZERO. She couldn't get it in 2020, body wanted her in 2024, and she lost big to the hated Trump. Put a pin in these comments. Assuming the world still exists in 2028, I'm gonna pull these out and say "I told ya so!" The Blade knows things!

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 18, 2025 10:58 AM (iFTx/)

185 176 Tampon Tim will hand-off the mantel of "America's Dad" to The Fiercely Heterosexual Corey Booker.

Kotex Corey?
Posted by: ShainS -- Waking Up Early is White Supremacy at April 18, 2025 10:55 AM (arzIt)

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The only white guy with a chance is Buttigieg because he's already in DC and has establishment support which he's held since 2020 when they...helped...him win the Iowa Caucuses.

Newsome is dead in the water. Wes Moore (black, though a guy, so might as well be white) is a non-entity. Walz is a joke with no constituency.

A choice between Kamala, who had 2024 stolen from her because Trump is mean and Biden didn't leave early enough, and Buttigieg, gay white dude, the voters in the primary will go with Kamala.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 18, 2025 10:58 AM (GBKbO)

186 It will be Mayor Pete and his cutesy nickname not AOC and her cutesy nickname. AOC could absolutely get the nomination if their process wasn't rigged. She has the right attitude to win.

Posted by: ... at April 18, 2025 10:58 AM (u9Npv)

187
Excellent pick, CBD.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 18, 2025 10:58 AM (iJfKG)

188 Nah. This is all fake PR and gaslighting. If anyone loved Kamala, she might have made it to one primary in 2020, and not gotten fisted in 2024. Nobody likes her, nobody ever wanted her for anything other than blowjobs, and she's already past her sell-by date. The nominee in 2028 will be a white male.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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Agreed. Shapiro, with right wing arson ingrained as truth. Or maybe Andy Beshear, although he'd probably still lose Kentucky and otherwise doesn't bring much to the ticket.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 18, 2025 10:58 AM (UBKzV)

189 181 They're getting women candidates for a while. The screechier the better.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 18, 2025 10:50 AM (GBKbO)

Are you saying they're going to the Kamala well in 2028 again?
Posted by: ... at April 18, 2025 10:57 AM (u9Npv)

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Next in line, bruh.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 18, 2025 10:58 AM (GBKbO)

190 We will have a Good Friday service at our church tonight… a very somber affair, very important.
Posted by: tubal

My Mom's only soap opera was As the World Turns. Watched it every day. I remember one ep back in the 70s, broadcast on Good Friday, where the characters all went to church, and listened to a sermon about the seven words from the cross. The whole episode was about the church service, and the Crucifxion.

Imagine such a thing being broadcast on a soap opera today.

Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 10:59 AM (77rzZ)

191 ♫
Angles we have heard on high...
Posted by: muldoon
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Never change muldoon. King of the Puns here.

Posted by: whig at April 18, 2025 10:59 AM (ctrM5)

192 184 There is zero chance she gets the nomination. ZERO. POINT. ZERO. She couldn't get it in 2020, body wanted her in 2024, and she lost big to the hated Trump. Put a pin in these comments. Assuming the world still exists in 2028, I'm gonna pull these out and say "I told ya so!" The Blade knows things!
Posted by: Elric Blade at April 18, 2025 10:58 AM (iFTx/)

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And I'll do the same!

Mwhahahaha!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 18, 2025 10:59 AM (GBKbO)

193 Pilate answered, “What I have written, I have written.”
Posted by: John 19:19-23

"Ho gegrafa, gegrafa."
Posted by: Bulg at April 18, 2025 09:36 AM (77rzZ)
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Whatever will be, will be

Posted by: Doris Day at April 18, 2025 10:59 AM (FCbAQ)

194 The Democrat nominee in 2028 will be no one that we are currently talking about.

Posted by: toby928 predicts at April 18, 2025 10:59 AM (jc0TO)

195 188 Agreed. Shapiro, with right wing arson ingrained as truth. Or maybe Andy Beshear, although he'd probably still lose Kentucky and otherwise doesn't bring much to the ticket.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 18, 2025 10:58 AM (UBKzV)

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Shapiro?

The former IDF soldier?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 18, 2025 10:59 AM (GBKbO)

196
Not a shock at all, but-

For your edification-

The White House Presents the Origin and Many Failures Associated with COVID-19:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/lab-leak-true-origins-of-

covid-19/

Posted by: naturalfake at April 18, 2025 11:00 AM (iJfKG)

197 194 The Democrat nominee in 2028 will be no one that we are currently talking about.
Posted by: toby928 predicts at April 18, 2025 10:59 AM (jc0TO)

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In 2020 was one of the three dominating the 2017 polling.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 18, 2025 11:00 AM (GBKbO)

198 In case you missed the post in JJ's morning thread, here is a link to Jewell's obit.

https://tinyurl.com/JewellsObit

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at April 18, 2025 10:55 AM (N39Ws)

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Thank you (missed that), OCiS.

[And sorry to learn of your own health issues -- prayers up.]

RIP Jewells.

Posted by: ShainS -- Waking Up Early is White Supremacy at April 18, 2025 11:00 AM (arzIt)

199 129 Presbyterian - PCA, PCUSA, or something else? (If I’m not being nosy).
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Southern.

Posted by: Pudinhead at April 18, 2025 11:00 AM (pZ64F)

200 Next in line, bruh.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, looking for laughs with Ivan Reitman at April 18, 2025 10:58 AM (GBKbO)

I stopped betting friendlies on politics when Trump "lost" in 2020 but I would go to Kamala's mattresses on this one that it's not her.

Posted by: ... at April 18, 2025 11:00 AM (u9Npv)

201 MONKEY TIME
Without a monkey

Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2025 11:01 AM (ypFCm)

202 The Democrat nominee in 2028 will be no one that we are currently talking about.
Posted by: toby928 predicts at April 18, 2025 10:59 AM (jc0TO)

This.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at April 18, 2025 11:01 AM (g8Ew8)

203 Re 2028--Que sera, sera.

Doris Day singing it far better than I can write it.

https://tinyurl.com/ycbuj7wt

Goes to film tribute of the Man Who Knew Too Much.

Posted by: whig at April 18, 2025 11:02 AM (ctrM5)

204 Shapiro?

The former IDF soldier?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Yes, I really do look for them to sober up before 28, although a lot of that depends on 26.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 18, 2025 11:02 AM (UBKzV)

205 Science knows XX from XY. The “science” you are talking about is the sort that has Fauci, America’s answer to Mengele, as a leading proponent. “I am the science!” Pseudoscience =/= Science.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at April 18, 2025 11:03 AM (g/Chl)

206 Earlier this week I mentioned my conversation with a sellf-described rabbi who lives in my neighborhood. At one point he said, "By the way, I can prove that Jesus did NOT rise from the dead."
I did not enter into that conversation because it is pointless (and I didn't want to laugh in his face). Neither he nor I nor any of you can "prove" one way or the other. The question is not about proof, it is about faith.
Posted by: muldoon at April 18, 2025 09:52 AM (/iMjX)

The father of lies can take many forms

Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 18, 2025 11:03 AM (FCbAQ)

207 Libs of TikTok@libsoftiktok
Maine Governor Janet Mills says that concerns of the young female athletes who spoke out against men invading their sports and bathrooms is a "diversionary tactic" and not a "real issue."
Democrats hate women.

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A diversionary tactic from the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 18, 2025 11:05 AM (L/fGl)

208 The Man Who Knew Too Much, or as I call him, "whig"

Posted by: ... at April 18, 2025 11:06 AM (u9Npv)

209 Not a shock at all, but-

For your edification-

The White House Presents the Origin and Many Failures Associated with COVID-19:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/lab-leak-true-origins-of-

covid-19/

Posted by: naturalfake at April 18, 2025 11:00 AM (iJfKG)

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[Single link:] https://is.gd/4LBzpl

Pretty well presented; would have appreciated a statement by Trump on how he was lied to and rolled by the likes of Pence, Fauci, Birx, et. al. and how Dr. Scott Atlas -- whom he eventually appointed to the "White House Covid Task Force" was literally shut-out by the other Deep State Mass-Murdering Criminal Traitors on it.

Posted by: ShainS -- Waking Up Early is White Supremacy at April 18, 2025 11:09 AM (arzIt)

210 The Man Who Knew Too Much, or as I call him, "whig"

Posted by: ... at April 18, 2025 11:06 AM (u9Npv)

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I would not be surprised to learn that some of you are AI Bots ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Waking Up Early is White Supremacy at April 18, 2025 11:11 AM (arzIt)

211 I'm not smart enough to be a bot.

Posted by: toby928 at April 18, 2025 11:12 AM (jc0TO)

212 The trolls may be bots.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at April 18, 2025 11:14 AM (g/Chl)

213 Relax, everybody.

New York Post@nypost
AG Letitia James calls claims of mortgage fraud ‘baseless,’ but refuses to give details in new interview

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 18, 2025 11:25 AM (L/fGl)

214 Romantic advice from Ted Cruz.

Ted Cruz@tedcruz
Find someone who looks at you the way Democrat senators look at illegal alien MS-13 gang members

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at April 18, 2025 11:28 AM (L/fGl)

215 There is zero chance she gets the nomination. ZERO. POINT. ZERO. She couldn't get it in 2020, body wanted her in 2024, and she lost big to the hated Trump.

The (D) base narrative is that Trump stole the election from a Black woman. At least with the serious crazies. So it's not zero point zero.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 18, 2025 11:47 AM (2ocoG)

216 ZERO. POINT. ZERO. ONE.

Posted by: toby928 at April 18, 2025 11:49 AM (jc0TO)

217 Would not hang

Posted by: BonnieBlue at April 18, 2025 02:51 PM (6bTMb)

218 HE HAS RISEN

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at April 18, 2025 06:58 PM (wGqjj)

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