A Consensus of Experts: French Academy of Medicine Agres Near-Unanimously That Covid-19 Leaked from the Wuhan Lab

It's so strange how the media and Deep State only credit some consensuses of experts but not others.

Like: There are two sexes.

Origin of Covid-19: A Near Consensus in Favor of Laboratory Release

While the answer may never be known, five years after the Covid-19 pandemic, the French Academy of Medicine is leaning more toward an error at the Wuhan laboratory than toward a natural emergence of the virus. In its new report, it draws recommendations on both risk management in research and the monitoring of viral outbreaks.
"97% of the French Academy of Medicine voted almost unanimously to say that we believe SARS-CoV-2 originated from a laboratory error and that lessons must be learned from it to take precautions in the future," revealed Professor Jean-Francois Delfraissy at a press conference of the French Academy of Medicine on April 2, 2025. "It's true that as a virologist, I don't see many arguments in favor of the natural emergence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus," added Professor Christine Rouzioux, a virologist at Necker Hospital (Paris). In a new report co-authored by these experts, the French Academy of Medicine draws on the assessment of known elements regarding the origins of the Covid-19 virus to recommend significant improvements in monitoring the emergence of zoonoses, and especially greater safety in laboratory biological experiments.

More arguments in favor of laboratory error
In 2019, the Wuhan laboratory was working on coronaviruses, this new report highlights. Another surprising element is that the first SARS-CoV-2 sequences obtained at the beginning of the epidemic in China were very homogeneous. "An RNA virus mutates very quickly, so it's a virus that had circulated very little," comments Christine Rouzioux.

A naturally evolving virus would, on the other hand, have lots of different mutations. This one didn't, because it was created to be hyperinfectious from the start.

Professor Patrick Berche, a microbiologist, agrees. "Once in circulation, this virus explodes with mutations, but when we discover it, there is no sign of adaptation to an intermediate host!"
In addition, the virus contains in its genetic material the sequence of a cleavage site for a protein called furin. "This particularity facilitates the cleavage between S1 and S2 and greatly increases the affinity of the virus's Spike protein for human cells and therefore its infectivity," explains Christine Rouzioux. Finally, Patrick Berche points out the strangeness of the pandemic's epidemiology. "The animals at the Wuhan market were transported from other locations, yet there were no animal or human outbreaks at the point of departure of these convoys. It's as if everything had magically appeared in Wuhan."
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Lessons remain to be learned, and this is the real objective of the report from the French Academy of Medicine, which does not aim to resolve the question of the origins of Covid-19, which may never be definitively answered. "The work underway in Wuhan was carried out in a BSL2 laboratory, which is therefore insufficient in terms of bioprotection of personnel and the environment," points out Christine Rouzioux. BSL2 laboratories provide for the use of laminar flow hoods (with an airflow reducing the risk of contamination).

I think this just means that workstations have hoods with fans above them... like your oven. That's it for "biosecurity."

That's why people keep saying that the Wuhan lab had about the same "biosecurity" as a common dentist's office.

But handling dangerous viruses of this type would require a BSL3 system, requiring the wearing of masks, gowns, and gloves, and stricter waste disposal. It is therefore necessary to develop "a culture of risk and responsibility" among researchers, argue the scientists from the French Academy of Medicine. "The risks are underestimated by a number of researchers," Christine Rouzioux diagnoses.

I used Google to translate the article.

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1 fwtvqcvq

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 02, 2025 05:25 PM (lCaJd)

2
Look at all the reversals these days. COVID came from a lab. Biden was demented. What next? Place your bets.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 02, 2025 05:27 PM (lCaJd)

3 Well, if experts say then it must be true. They wouldn't lie to us.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at April 02, 2025 05:27 PM (ExV1e)

4 Not really sure we should trust these assholes now, with their completely different conclusions. Its like they just toss a coin...or just go however the wind is blowing. "Science" is broken.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at April 02, 2025 05:27 PM (XMwZJ)

5 Stop telling us what we already know and admit that you plan on doing NOTHING about it.

Posted by: garrett at April 02, 2025 05:28 PM (AVXxY)

6 Hey, funny how this was all determined with information that we all knew in early / mid 2020.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 02, 2025 05:28 PM (uCjyK)

7
Anyway, we now know it was gain-of-function research in a sloppy-ass Chinese lab. Now: What was the purpose?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 02, 2025 05:28 PM (lCaJd)

8 How do you say no shit, Sherlock in French?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 02, 2025 05:28 PM (2UnvF)

9 More Typos!

I want a refund!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 02, 2025 05:29 PM (aPY1X)

10 55 49 Alors, il commence.
Posted by: Ce gars qui pense toujours que ça commence at April 02, 2025 04:25 PM (6K6Eu)

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HA! Is this Ace.

I love the so it begins guy.
Posted by: Seems Legit at April 02, 2025 04:26 PM (PMtkd)

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I used Google to translate the article.

Posted by: Ace at 05:24 PM

So, that wasn't Ace, then.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at April 02, 2025 05:29 PM (/rmtj)

11 Nothing says science like voting on a hypothesis.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 02, 2025 05:29 PM (VNX3d)

12
So, that wasn't Ace, then.

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It was Acé.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 02, 2025 05:30 PM (lCaJd)

13 Anyway, we now know it was gain-of-function research in a sloppy-ass Chinese lab. Now: What was the purpose?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 02, 2025 05:28 PM (lCaJd)

That is the million dollar question.

Why was the US funding the creation of Frankenviruses with really no other logical explanation that to be used as bio weapons in a lab controlled by the Chinese military?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 02, 2025 05:30 PM (uCjyK)

14 I like how they arrive at these conclusions while waving their pico dicks around as if they were the very first to make this hypothesis while ignoring the millions of peons who had said this on day fucking one and got censored/lost their jobs over it

And the French can go horse fuck

God I hate those cheese eating surrender monkey fuckwits

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at April 02, 2025 05:30 PM (PNHP5)

15 Yeah, we all know this… maybe it just needs to be reiterated.

Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2025 05:31 PM (mu/VF)

16 'Agres'?

Is that French?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 02, 2025 05:31 PM (bss/y)

17 God I hate those cheese eating surrender monkey fuckwits

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at April 02, 2025 05:30 PM (PNHP5

I only hate Germans more.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 02, 2025 05:31 PM (aPY1X)

18 Nothing says "science" like reaching a consensus that's the complete inverse of what you were saying 4 years ago. Assholes...

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at April 02, 2025 05:31 PM (XMwZJ)

19 >>I only hate Germans more.

I hate anyone who had a Pony!

Posted by: Jerry at April 02, 2025 05:32 PM (AVXxY)

20 Better late then never I guess. So when does the world go after china for killing tens of millions of people?

Oh sorry, we can't because we FVCKING paid them to make the franken virus.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 02, 2025 05:32 PM (e5NfL)

21 Look at all the reversals these days. COVID came from a lab. Biden was demented. What next? Place your bets.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
.......

U.S. dollar

Posted by: wth at April 02, 2025 05:33 PM (v0R5T)

22 17 God I hate those cheese eating surrender monkey fuckwits

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at April 02, 2025 05:30 PM (PNHP5

I only hate Germans more.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 02, 2025 05:31 PM (aPY1X)

And the Mexicans…can we get rid of all the Mexicans????

Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2025 05:33 PM (mu/VF)

23 20 Better late then never I guess. So when does the world go after china for killing tens of millions of people?

Oh sorry, we can't because we FVCKING paid them to make the franken virus.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 02, 2025 05:32 PM (e5NfL)

The world's manufacturer.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 02, 2025 05:33 PM (aPY1X)

24 But handling dangerous viruses of this type would require a BSL3 system, requiring the wearing of masks, gowns, and gloves, and stricter waste disposal.

Not selling the dead test animals in the local market would have gone a long way.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 02, 2025 05:33 PM (jc0TO)

25 >>>It was Acé.

As (french for Ace).

Posted by: ace at April 02, 2025 05:33 PM (KRtlO)

26 I think this just means that workstations have hoods with fans above them... like your oven. That's it for "biosecurity."

No, it's somewhat more sophisticated than that. I worked in a lab with BSL2 laminar flow hoods and the design has some interesting features. Hood edges that look like airfoils to carefully control the flow of air and prevent eddys and backflow, sashes with switches to trigger UV lamps to kill pathogens and so on. And the ever present 70% ethanol scrubdowns to clean surfaces.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at April 02, 2025 05:33 PM (/HDaX)

27 17 God I hate those cheese eating surrender monkey fuckwits

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at April 02, 2025 05:30 PM (PNHP5

I only hate Germans more.
Posted by: AlaBAMA

I hate all of Europe.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 02, 2025 05:33 PM (/U5Yz)

28 Hmm there’s a virus lab in Wuhan.
A virus starts in Wuhan.
Gotta be bats at a wet market, yea that’s it.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at April 02, 2025 05:34 PM (A+/01)

29 It's so strange how the media and Deep State only credit some consensuses of experts but not others.
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Of course, in honesty, we do the same thing. We're doing it now re the French Academy of Medicine.

Now I happen to share their view, but ...

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2025 05:34 PM (YqDXo)

30 Super. Now what?

Posted by: Piper at April 02, 2025 05:34 PM (pZEOD)

31 It's a start. Next they can admit that Fauci and Co. wanted Covid-19 to depopulate the over-stressed Earth. Then they can realize that Fauci and Co. wanted the Avian Flu to starve the survivors.

Posted by: VRWC Crank at April 02, 2025 05:35 PM (fI8lb)

32 27 17 God I hate those cheese eating surrender monkey fuckwits

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at April 02, 2025 05:30 PM (PNHP5

I only hate Germans more.
Posted by: AlaBAMA

I hate all of Europe.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 02, 2025 05:33 PM (/U5Yz)

I'm ok with the Spaniards.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 02, 2025 05:35 PM (aPY1X)

33 Yet, everyone at HHS still deserves a job. Even though the COVID response was one of the biggest man made disasters in the history of the world.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 02, 2025 05:35 PM (tT6L1)

34 "Error"?

As in "oops, we made a kind of shitty bioweapon", or "oops our kind of shitty bioweapon got out somehow"?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at April 02, 2025 05:35 PM (KtIIi)

35 Whatever advances the narrative… everything for the narrative, nothing against the narrative…

Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2025 05:35 PM (mu/VF)

36 Here is the analogy I use to explain the mutation issue.

A virus for one species is like a bag of parts that needs to be modified and reconfigured to be highly infectious to another species.

Now imagine you get a bunch of racing teams and you give them each a warehouse of parts and a week to prep for a race. They will use the parts in different ways and come up with many different designs. If you keep doing this iteratively the designs will start to converge. At first there is great variation, later there is much less as they compete and best practices start to dominate.

The alternative is to give them each a refined race car at the start to twiddle with -- now the variations will be much less between the teams because they are starting win an already optimized design.

Posted by: New Jersey and Hawaii at April 02, 2025 05:36 PM (XrIem)

37 So, according to the French, the "Science" is not settled. The French Academy of Medicine isn't by chance headquartered in Vichy?

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at April 02, 2025 05:36 PM (Vyll1)

38 I've used a laminar flow chamber. They work, as long as you pay attention. Keep the unopened container well within the chamber. Wash your FRIGGIN hands. Sterilize everything.
It's a pain in the ass.
Once, in college, I convinced a lab tech to give me access to a laminar flow chamber to inoculate some agar plates with psilocybin spore.
It failed.
I did it again in the kitchen of the dorm... it took.

Posted by: MkY at April 02, 2025 05:36 PM (cPGH3)

39 Covid was not an accident.

Posted by: I AM A MEAT POPSICLE at April 02, 2025 05:36 PM (GK48r)

40 Fauci did that

Posted by: vmom deport deport deporte at April 02, 2025 05:36 PM (6U1c2)

41 I'm ok with the Spaniards.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 02, 2025 05:35 PM

Their milkshakes are made with goat's milk and eggs.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 02, 2025 05:36 PM (jc0TO)

42 "While the answer may never be known..."

Heh. Yeah, no. It's pretty well known.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at April 02, 2025 05:37 PM (gLikB)

43 As an aside, the largest (?) mfr of quality laminar flow chambers is across the street from my shop.

Posted by: MkY at April 02, 2025 05:37 PM (cPGH3)

44 What color is a green orange?

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 02, 2025 05:37 PM (f0sdr)

45 God I hate those cheese eating surrender monkey fuckwits

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at April 02, 2025 05:30 PM (PNHP5

I only hate Germans more.
Posted by: AlaBAMA

I hate all of Europe.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 02, 2025 05:33 PM (/U5Yz)

I'm ok with the Spaniards.
Posted by: AlaBAMA
......

and certain Dutch chicks.

Posted by: wth at April 02, 2025 05:37 PM (v0R5T)

46 The furrin cleavage site on the virus was man made.
End of story.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at April 02, 2025 05:37 PM (FCbAQ)

47 I still can't say with any confidence COVID escaped on purpose.

I think it could be just a symptom of our decreasing competence in the Western World. We're currently on the path to USSR level competence.

I just think if the plan was to depopulate the world or anything like that, they would have made a better virus. That one sucked, and hardly matched the hysteria.

It was bizarre. Like we were living in bizarro world. I could understand the massive overreaction if ebola became airborne or something, but we were talking about a bad cold.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 02, 2025 05:37 PM (uCjyK)

48 I have a slightly different origin theory. I don’t think the Wuhan lab was ever supposed to do anything. It was a front to launder money.

That’s why the bio security and containment protocols were so shit. The lab wasn’t ever supposed to operate as a real lab. It was supposed to pretend to be doing real experiments, while sucking up tons of money.

But somewhere along the line, the “bat lady” started believing her own bullshit, overdosed on hubris, and started doing real experiments on viruses the lab wasn’t even remotely equipped to handle. I’ll bet cv19 leaked out after the first few experiments on it.

Posted by: Elric Blade at April 02, 2025 05:38 PM (k/owB)

49 What color is a green orange?
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 02, 2025 05:37 PM (f0sdr)
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Bleen?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 02, 2025 05:38 PM (tT6L1)

50 Nothing says "science" like reaching a consensus that's the complete inverse of what you were saying 4 years ago. Assholes...

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at April 02, 2025 05:31 PM (XMwZJ)
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Nothing says "science" like deciding an issue on the basis of a consensus rather than hard objective data.

"Gravity doesn't exist. All in favor? All opposed?"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2025 05:38 PM (YqDXo)

51
So when does the world go after china for killing tens of millions of people?

Who would make the iPhones?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 02, 2025 05:38 PM (63Dwl)

52 Normally when a country attacks another country with a biological weapon, a duel is declared.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 02, 2025 05:38 PM (aPY1X)

53 The Frenchies built the lab so they were in on the grift.

It also means they are more likely to criticize how the lab was mis-used and not intended for what the Chinese researchers were doing.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 02, 2025 05:38 PM (XrIem)

54 >> I've used a laminar flow chamber. They work, as long as you pay attention. Keep the unopened container well within the chamber. Wash your FRIGGIN hands. Sterilize everything.
It's a pain in the ass.
Once, in college, I convinced a lab tech to give me access to a laminar flow chamber to inoculate some agar plates with psilocybin spore.
It failed.
I did it again in the kitchen of the dorm... it took.

I watch a couple youtube channels where cute chicks propagate plants using this technique.

You can make good money cloning rare plants, apparently.

Posted by: Jerry at April 02, 2025 05:39 PM (AVXxY)

55 ""The risks are underestimated by a number of researchers," Christine Rouzioux diagnoses."

But Fauci is a "gitterdone" kinda mad scientist. When USA said no, he found another way, and used his influencers to blaze the trail.

Hopefully his prosecution, imprisonment, perhaps execution are coming soon.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 02, 2025 05:39 PM (Cus5s)

56 Musk is evil but Fauci and company....radio silence.

Burn those Teslas but COVID protocols had to happen to keep people safe. Fuck everyone who thinks this way and I still want Fauci & Co. tried for crimes against humanity.

Posted by: Cheri at April 02, 2025 05:39 PM (oiNtH)

57 There needs to be prosecutions.
This was unleashed on us.
By China, and with the questionable gain of function research by Fauci and Dazak.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2025 05:39 PM (Hkcdp)

58 48 I have a slightly different origin theory. I don’t think the Wuhan lab was ever supposed to do anything. It was a front to launder money.

That’s why the bio security and containment protocols were so shit. The lab wasn’t ever supposed to operate as a real lab. It was supposed to pretend to be doing real experiments, while sucking up tons of money.

But somewhere along the line, the “bat lady” started believing her own bullshit, overdosed on hubris, and started doing real experiments on viruses the lab wasn’t even remotely equipped to handle. I’ll bet cv19 leaked out after the first few experiments on it.
Posted by: Elric Blade at April 02, 2025 05:38 PM (k/owB)

That ... could make sense.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 02, 2025 05:39 PM (uCjyK)

59
BSL2 laboratories provide for the use of laminar flow hoods (with an airflow reducing the risk of contamination).

I think this just means that workstations have hoods with fans above them... like your oven. That's it for "biosecurity."

That's why people keep saying that the Wuhan lab had about the same "biosecurity" as a common dentist's office.

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The Chinese considered even this level of protection a costly sacrifice.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at April 02, 2025 05:40 PM (d4X7t)

60 Look at all the reversals these days. COVID came from a lab. Biden was demented. What next? Place your bets.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia

Biden created Covid by dementedly banging a marmot?

Posted by: naturalfake at April 02, 2025 05:40 PM (iJfKG)

61 What color is a green orange?
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 02, 2025 05:37 PM (f0sdr)
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Bleen?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 02, 2025 05:38 PM (tT6L1)

Sea otter brown?

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 02, 2025 05:40 PM (VNX3d)

62 Gain. Of. Function.

Paid. For. By. Fauci.

Completed. By. China.

Pardoned. By. Biden.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 02, 2025 05:40 PM (aPY1X)

63 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 02, 2025 05:37 PM (uCjyK)
Exactly. Most people had no symptoms at all from COVID.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at April 02, 2025 05:40 PM (XMwZJ)

64 I still can't say with any confidence COVID escaped on purpose.
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I think it was an eff-up. If you've been to China, you KNOW how slapdash they are about health and safety measures. They don't give a crap; they've got a zillion people, so if 100 million go to that great dim sum in the sky, that just means there's a little more elbow room for everybody who's left.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2025 05:40 PM (YqDXo)

65 "leaning more"= 97%

Posted by: Hal Dall at April 02, 2025 05:40 PM (mPak/)

66 There are two sexes.

At a Chinese wet market.

Posted by: Commissar of plenty and festive little hats at April 02, 2025 05:40 PM (yDXj5)

67 >>I still can't say with any confidence COVID escaped on purpose.

No. But I can judge the actions of the people in charge after it escaped.

The Chinese wanted to broadcast it as far and wide as they could. And as quickly as possible.

Posted by: garrett at April 02, 2025 05:41 PM (AVXxY)

68 It's not whether it came from a lab or a market that's important (well, it is in pointing out Fauci & the medical + media + political Left's corruption and lack of credibility)... What's important is that the CCP did this deliberately. Trump was pushing that regime to the brink with trade war, more than anyone has done before. They wanted him out, and the Chinese regime doesn't care a whit about human health when it comes to their interests... This was a Hail Mary to get US elections messed up and knock Trump out. I wouldn't doubt for a second that the CIA helped...

Posted by: bearski at April 02, 2025 05:41 PM (Bhsk7)

69 If they had only worn surgical masks and only used every other seat in the cafeteria, none of this would have happened.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 02, 2025 05:41 PM (XrIem)

70 Everyone knew it came from the Wuhan lab.

The only real question is who knew Fauci paid for its creation and who didn't.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 02, 2025 05:41 PM (t0Rmr)

71 Germany knew in 2020 as well

@disclosetv Mar 12
JUST IN - Since 2020, the German intelligence service BND has assumed that the corona outbreak originated in a laboratory in Wuhan, China. The German Chancellery kept this secret. People who assumed the same were labeled "conspiracy theorists."

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 02, 2025 05:41 PM (mlg/3)

72 This can be said now rather than 5 years ago.

Because now, nobody will blame China. Most people will be happy to be vindicated and not seek revenge against the Chinese.

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at April 02, 2025 05:41 PM (JkCto)

73 MI6 in 2020 as well

@shellenberger Mar 15
The former head of the UK's foreign intelligence agency, MI6, told Boris Johnson in early 2020 that the Covid virus escaped from the Wuhan lab. That means that the US, UK, Chinese, & German governments all knew the truth, covered it up, and spread disinformation. Case closed.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 02, 2025 05:42 PM (mlg/3)

74 Look at China’s behavior AFTER the virus “escaped.”

They did everything they could to maximize the damage to the rest of the world, and profit from it.

I don’t care if it was a mistake or not at this point. They made it a weapon after it was released.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2025 05:43 PM (Hkcdp)

75 "97% of the French Academy of Medicine voted almost unanimously to say that we believe SARS-CoV-2 originated from a laboratory error and that lessons must be learned from it to take precautions in the future,"

So, the real question remains as to what are these "precautions" that are to be considered? 'Cause if you're like me (and the entire planet that was deceived/targeted), the more likely worry is that it's not the Science that has to be more diligent; it's that the procedures for coverup and tyranny need to be more subtle, lasting, and oppressive so that truth can be smothered with the Globalist pillow.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at April 02, 2025 05:43 PM (gLikB)

76 If they had only worn surgical masks and only used every other seat in the cafeteria, none of this would have happened.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus)
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They should have painted arrows on the floors too.

Posted by: wth at April 02, 2025 05:43 PM (v0R5T)

77 I still can't say with any confidence COVID escaped on purpose.
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I think it was an eff-up. If you've been to China, you KNOW how slapdash they are about health and safety measures. They don't give a crap; they've got a zillion people, so if 100 million go to that great dim sum in the sky, that just means there's a little more elbow room for everybody who's left.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2025 05:40 PM

Yep as I have maintained since day one....Either a worker got infected at the lab or a worker sold some contaminated critters at the local market. Either scenario is plausible and much more believable than "it mutated in the wild".

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 02, 2025 05:43 PM (e5NfL)

78 52 Normally when a country attacks another country with a biological weapon, a duel is declared.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 02, 2025 05:38 PM (aPY1X)

Ron Unz concluded years ago that this wasn't a country-versus-country oopsie. The US supported the lab. We'd have to go to war against Fauci.
Oh. Right.

Posted by: gKWVE at April 02, 2025 05:43 PM (gKWVE)

79 Nancy Pelosi wanted me to remind you all to Hug a Chinaman.

Posted by: garrett at April 02, 2025 05:43 PM (AVXxY)

80 I think it was an eff-up. If you've been to China, you KNOW how slapdash they are about health and safety measures. They don't give a crap; they've got a zillion people, so if 100 million go to that great dim sum in the sky, that just means there's a little more elbow room for everybody who's left.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2025 05:40 PM (YqDXo)

I have been to China, and it's breathtaking how ... Potemkin village everything feels.

Brand new hotels with such uneven footings the floors slope and windows don't close, every consumer item is way cheaper and shittier than even the cheap and shitty stuff we buy from China, cars where not of the panels align and the car is loud as shit and feels dangerous, etc. etc. etc.

It's like ... close to the Western technology. But corners were clearly cut at every step of the way and no one said "hey, retard, there's a reason we need to be 100% sure the footings are level before be put a 14 story building on top of it."

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 02, 2025 05:43 PM (uCjyK)

81 The “Experts” referenced in your post title deserved scare quotes. And , any future reference to “elites” and “intellectuals” should be punctuated the same.

Posted by: President Autopen at April 02, 2025 05:44 PM (gRiue)

82 5 Years After… I wonder what Trump’s take on the whole sordid affair is now??? Serious question, I really don’t know.

Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2025 05:44 PM (mu/VF)

83 47 I still can't say with any confidence COVID escaped on purpose.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes

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In other words, is this a limited hangout?

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 02, 2025 05:44 PM (XrIem)

84 No. But I can judge the actions of the people in charge after it escaped.

The Chinese wanted to broadcast it as far and wide as they could. And as quickly as possible.

Posted by: garrett
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I thought they had some international sporting event in China in October 2019 where participants were coming down with it and the Chinese kept the lid on it.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 02, 2025 05:44 PM (Dm8we)

85 So when does the world go after china for killing tens of millions of people?

Well. They were also funded by the US.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 02, 2025 05:44 PM (U8Tue)

86 Biden created Covid by dementedly banging a marmot?

In fairness, it was wearing a schoolgirl uniform at the time.

Posted by: Nelly at April 02, 2025 05:45 PM (pSknm)

87 The former head of the UK's foreign intelligence agency, MI6, told Boris Johnson in early 2020 that the Covid virus escaped from the Wuhan lab. That means that the US, UK, Chinese, & German governments all knew the truth, covered it up, and spread disinformation. Case closed.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 02, 2025 05:42 PM (mlg/3)

Of course they all knew. Everyone knew. Everyone at WHO, all the sanctimonious doctors on TV, all the "experts" around the world, most of the Doctors in State Departments of Health, etc.

But massive pressure was brought to keep everyone reading from the same hymn.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 02, 2025 05:46 PM (uCjyK)

88 Act of (Biological) Warfare -- whether intentional or not?

With our own American Traitors from Faucistein on down complicit?

Posted by: ShainS -- If Elon Bought Planned Parenthood, The Left Would Hate Abortion at April 02, 2025 05:46 PM (JJRgX)

89 I have a slightly different origin theory. I don’t think the Wuhan lab was ever supposed to do anything. It was a front to launder money.

That’s why the bio security and containment protocols were so shit. The lab wasn’t ever supposed to operate as a real lab. It was supposed to pretend to be doing real experiments, while sucking up tons of money.

But somewhere along the line, the “bat lady” started believing her own bullshit, overdosed on hubris, and started doing real experiments on viruses the lab wasn’t even remotely equipped to handle. I’ll bet cv19 leaked out after the first few experiments on it.
Posted by: Elric Blade at April 02, 2025 05:38 PM (k/owB)

Nah. Sloppiness is just the Chinese way.

I know some high powered science folk who have had Chinese working in their labs as grad students and researchers. And all of them have commented, unasked, about the lousy technique, general sloppiness, and poor adherence to safety protocols of the Chinese.

Covid was probably just another day at the office.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 02, 2025 05:46 PM (iJfKG)

90 85 So when does the world go after china for killing tens of millions of people?

Well. They were also funded by the US.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 02, 2025 05:44 PM (U8Tue)

Yes. We did not cover ourselves with glory, and I have some hard feelings about the matter, still.

Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2025 05:47 PM (mu/VF)

91 64 I still can't say with any confidence COVID escaped on purpose.
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I think it was an eff-up. If you've been to China, you KNOW how slapdash they are about health and safety measures. They don't give a crap; they've got a zillion people, so if 100 million go to that great dim sum in the sky, that just means there's a little more elbow room for everybody who's left.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

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It was on purpose. Sure, the Chinese are very CAPABLE of f-ing up safety and do 24/7. But they never have at this scale. It's not a coincidence that this came out when Trump was at peak popularity and ready to breeze through reelection, all the while viciously hated by the Chinese regime for his trade warring with them. I don't believe for a second this wasn't deliberate...

Posted by: bearski at April 02, 2025 05:47 PM (Bhsk7)

92 >>I thought they had some international sporting event in China in October 2019 where participants were coming down with it and the Chinese kept the lid on it.

Broadcast the Contagion. Not their culpability.

Posted by: garrett at April 02, 2025 05:47 PM (AVXxY)

93 Look at China’s behavior AFTER the virus “escaped.”

They did everything they could to maximize the damage to the rest of the world, and profit from it.

I don’t care if it was a mistake or not at this point. They made it a weapon after it was released.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 02, 2025 05:43 PM (Hkcdp)
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I think they realized that the virus would clobber their economy, which would set them back vis a vis the rest of the world, so they decided to let visitors return to the rest of the world with it. That way everybody's economy would also take a hit.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2025 05:47 PM (YqDXo)

94 Lets get real: Western governments were doing experiments on gain of function mostly likely prohibited by their respective governments. When the virus escaped, the PTB had to deflect and deny because various government didn't want to admit culpability releasing what could have turned out to be a very deadly pandemic over the entire globe.

But, on the other hand, since these various governments really had no idea what they'd just released on the world, they went into overdrive trying to contain the outbreak.

Yet, the actions of these governments will be vigorously defended by the left and various interests.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 02, 2025 05:47 PM (tT6L1)

95 Free hand jobs for Americans today.

Posted by: Canada at April 02, 2025 05:47 PM (Gdqmt)

96 Their milkshakes are made with goat's milk and eggs.

it's interesting...I've heard their milkshakes bring all the boys to the yard and they're like, it's better than ours.
They could teach us, but they'd have to charge.

Sorry; it's from a song. Stupid milkshake comment put that f**king song in my head.

Posted by: Nelly at April 02, 2025 05:48 PM (pSknm)

97
Still trying to figure out the "Last Tango in Paris" bit; wasn't that the movie where Don Corleone unexpectedly pulled out of the yin-yang and went to the ho-ha?

I don't think margarine was involved, and that's why the young lady is still all pissed off about it.

They do make movies like that these days.

Posted by: Auspex at April 02, 2025 05:48 PM (j4U/Z)

98 Breaking: Federal judge orders everyone to start believing the natural origin theory again.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 02, 2025 05:48 PM (2UnvF)

99 Look at all the reversals these days. COVID came from a lab. Biden was demented. What next? Place your bets.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 02, 2025 05:27 PM (lCaJd)

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"We admit that we stole the 2020 election, but it was for your own good, H8Rs!"

Posted by: ShainS -- If Elon Bought Planned Parenthood, The Left Would Hate Abortion at April 02, 2025 05:48 PM (JJRgX)

100 98 Breaking: Federal judge orders everyone to start believing the natural origin theory again.
Posted by: Duke Lowell

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Ha!

Posted by: bearski at April 02, 2025 05:49 PM (Bhsk7)

101 No, shit, Sherlock

Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 02, 2025 05:49 PM (O8bOp)

102 100

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 02, 2025 05:49 PM (2UnvF)

103 Agres -- French town 115 km [71.5 miles] from Paris.

Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at April 02, 2025 05:49 PM (/tzYP)

104 94 Lets get real: Western governments were doing experiments on gain of function mostly likely prohibited by their respective governments.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 02, 2025 05:47 PM (tT6L1)

But the real question is why. Why do aspects of our governments want to do incredibly dangerous research that has very limited to no real upside and looks a lot like a bio weapon? And if the answer is "to be used in a war" then -- against whom? We're told China is our #1 adversary, yet that's where we choose to do this risky, unnecessary, and banned-in-any-sane-world research?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 02, 2025 05:50 PM (uCjyK)

105 Breaking: Federal judge orders everyone to start believing the natural origin theory again.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 02, 2025 05:48 PM (2UnvF)

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UPDATE: Bozoberg Orders Wuhan Laboratory Relocated to Mar-A-Lago.

Posted by: ShainS -- If Elon Bought Planned Parenthood, The Left Would Hate Abortion at April 02, 2025 05:50 PM (JJRgX)

106 “Anything to Get a Tax Cut”: James Carville Accuses “Rich Jewish” Republicans of Ignoring Nazism Out of Greed for “Money”

Hey, look who's a Jew hater.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 02, 2025 05:50 PM (/U5Yz)

107 101 No, shit, Sherlock
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Pas de merde, Poirot!

Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at April 02, 2025 05:50 PM (/tzYP)

108 The problem at the Wuhan lab was not "insufficient precautions," the problem was and is that the Wuhan lab is a Chinese communist bio-weapons lab, doing exactly what bio-weapons labs do.

Anthony Fauci should hang for funding that research into a weapon that was to be used against the American people, and which was used against the American people. He should be tried as a traitor and hung, auto pen or no auto pen.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at April 02, 2025 05:50 PM (YwWCT)

109 I question the use of the word "error." I doubt COVID was released due to an "error."

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 02, 2025 05:50 PM (CHHv1)

110 Tofu construction.

Bin Xie @bxieus
Yesterday a big earthquake in Myanmar caused the National Audit Office building (still under construction) in Bangkok totally collapsed — builder is a Chinese company. The mayor wants to “learn the lesson.”

The lesson? China is the biggest Tofu manufacturer on earth. That’s it.

Posted by: 13times at April 02, 2025 05:51 PM (ZmmSk)

111 Le Nerds!!!

Posted by: Agres at April 02, 2025 05:51 PM (2UnvF)

112 I suppose you can say it was accidental. But The intelligence agencies knew early and weaponized it for their own purposes. They used it to steal the liberties of their population and subvert an election to install figurehead Joe Biden. Think about it. For four years we lost the republic.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 02, 2025 05:51 PM (6Mth8)

113 Mon Dieu!
Un Lab?
Ou est mon respirateur?

Posted by: Diogenes at April 02, 2025 05:52 PM (W/lyH)

114 Still trying to figure out the "Last Tango in Paris" bit; wasn't that the movie where Don Corleone unexpectedly pulled out of the yin-yang and went to the ho-ha?

I don't think margarine was involved, and that's why the young lady is still all pissed off about it.

They do make movies like that these days.
Posted by: Auspex at April 02, 2025 05:48 PM (j4U/Z)

In the movie it wasn't margarine, it was butter.

Posted by: naturalfake at April 02, 2025 05:52 PM (iJfKG)

115 Anyway, we now know it was gain-of-function research in a sloppy-ass Chinese lab. Now: What was the purpose?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 02, 2025 05:28 PM (lCaJd)

Fauci wanted some sweet Pentagon bio warfare money but they turned him down.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 02, 2025 05:52 PM (n7h9X)

116 At least they weren't weaponizing ebola.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 02, 2025 05:53 PM (wO8PJ)

117 But the real question is why. Why do aspects of our governments want to do incredibly dangerous research that has very limited to no real upside and looks a lot like a bio weapon?
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I've read unconvincing arguments in favor of it.

It still seems like madness to me. Especially if it's the effing Chinese doing this dangerous work.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2025 05:53 PM (YqDXo)

118 At least they weren't weaponizing ebola.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 02, 2025 05:53 PM (wO8PJ)
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Shhhhhh!! Don't give them ideas!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2025 05:53 PM (YqDXo)

119 It was on purpose. Sure, the Chinese are very CAPABLE of f-ing up safety and do 24/7. But they never have at this scale. It's not a coincidence that this came out when Trump was at peak popularity and ready to breeze through reelection, all the while viciously hated by the Chinese regime for his trade warring with them. I don't believe for a second this wasn't deliberate...

Posted by: bearski at April 02, 2025 05:47 PM (Bhsk7)

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Agreed. And it had the further upside benefit of the vigorous Hong Kong protests being shuttered.

Posted by: ShainS -- If Elon Bought Planned Parenthood, The Left Would Hate Abortion at April 02, 2025 05:54 PM (JJRgX)

120 Breaking: Federal judge orders everyone to start believing the natural origin theory again.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 02, 2025 05:48 PM (2UnvF)

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UPDATE: Bozoberg Orders Wuhan Laboratory Relocated to Mar-A-Lago.
Posted by: ShainS -- If Elon Bought Planned Parenthood, The Left Would Hate Abortion at April 02, 2025 05:50 PM (JJRgX)

BREAKING: Bozoberg sent to Wuhan on bat virus fact finding mission.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 02, 2025 05:54 PM (VNX3d)

121 The irony - or perhaps the tell - is that the Chinese accused us of germ warfare during the Korean War.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2025 05:54 PM (YqDXo)

122 Anyway, we now know it was gain-of-function research in a sloppy-ass Chinese lab. Now: What was the purpose?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia

Dewin' the jerbs 'mericans jus don't wanna do. hehehe. Mission accomplished.

Posted by: W Boosh at April 02, 2025 05:54 PM (mlg/3)

123 Didn’t some agitator person say, once, that the CIA was responsible for creating and propagating the AIDS virus???

Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2025 05:55 PM (mu/VF)

124 BREAKING: Bozoberg sent to Wuhan on bat virus fact finding mission.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 02, 2025 05:54 PM (VNX3d)
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With a heaping helping of pangolin.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at April 02, 2025 05:55 PM (6K6Eu)

125 Fauci wanted some sweet Pentagon bio warfare money but they turned him down.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 02, 2025 05:52 PM (n7h9X)

Fauci is likely working for or with the CIA.

NIH funded grants through a shady-as-all-hell cut out that reeks of intel agency involved (eco health).

And CIA funded the labs via USAID through different NGO cut outs.

And the Pentagon said no to funding, although I suspect if we ever crack their books, we'll find they funded it whether they know it or not.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 02, 2025 05:55 PM (uCjyK)

126 “Anything to Get a Tax Cut”: James Carville Accuses “Rich Jewish” Republicans of Ignoring Nazism Out of Greed for “Money”

Hey, look who's a Jew hater.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 02, 2025 05:50 PM (/U5Yz)

Said by the Party that has an Ally in Ukraine where a third of the Army are actual Nazis. And we picked them to be insurance in 2014 to offset the army.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 02, 2025 05:56 PM (n7h9X)

127 It still seems like madness to me. Especially if it's the effing Chinese doing this dangerous work.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2025 05:53 PM (YqDXo)
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It is madness because I'm pretty there is less control over biological weapons than any other weapons system on earth.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 02, 2025 05:56 PM (tT6L1)

128 I'm being told that judge Bozoberg has been killed by a rabid pangolin.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 02, 2025 05:56 PM (2UnvF)

129 Covid was biowarfare by the Chinese. Full stop.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 02, 2025 05:56 PM (LweC0)

130 Origin of Covid-19: A Near Consensus in Favor of Laboratory Release
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Well, personally, I'd like to think that no one is "in Favor of Laboratory Release." But, I never understood the French (literally and figuratively).

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I used Google to translate the article.
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Ah, never mind.

Posted by: Orson at April 02, 2025 05:56 PM (dIske)

131 Fauci should be hung as a traitor, full stop.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 02, 2025 05:57 PM (LweC0)

132 Un Lab?
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Qui est le meilleur chien?? Qui? Qui?

Mon chien est le meilleur!

Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at April 02, 2025 05:57 PM (/tzYP)

133 Pangolins are weird creatures… will never hear a car model named the Pangolin…

Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2025 05:57 PM (mu/VF)

134
I have a slightly different origin theory. I don’t think the Wuhan lab was ever supposed to do anything. It was a front to launder money.

Posted by: Elric Blade

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Hmmmm. Kind of a bimbo to experiment without adequate biosecurity. Anyway, I haven't kept up, what is China's official line (if it has one)? The wet market version?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 02, 2025 05:57 PM (lCaJd)

135 I’m just now catching up on the news of RFK Jr purge at NIH.

Fauci has a LOT of blood on his hands, going back to the 1980s when he pushed an AIDS drug that was killing patients rather than curing them. He had a financial interest in the medication.
The heads of the FDA and NIH were both accomplished ohysicians, well respected in their fields, who were persecuted during the plandemic.

Posted by: kallisto at April 02, 2025 05:57 PM (8hbSF)

136 Neil Young thinks Trump is going to have him incarcerated when he comes back into the US because he said nasty things about Trump.

I doubt Trump even noticed, to be honest.

Old man yells at the sky.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 02, 2025 05:57 PM (LweC0)

137 Yesterday a big earthquake in Myanmar caused the National Audit Office building (still under construction) in Bangkok totally collapsed — builder is a Chinese company.
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I rest my case re the Chinese.

Now anybody can screw up, but the Chinese do it so regularly, and it's always the same: shoddy construction, crappy materials.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2025 05:57 PM (YqDXo)

138 My favorite part of Covid is where all the politicians got massively rich by forcing everyone to take the jab from the company they owned stock in.

Followed closely by Nancy Pelosi's Ice Cream Freezer.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 02, 2025 05:58 PM (aPY1X)

139

I hate all the assholes who had anything to do with the chink flu.

Posted by: four seasons at April 02, 2025 05:58 PM (3ek7K)

140 Pangolins are weird creatures… will never hear a car model named the Pangolin…

==

Or a sports team!

Posted by: runner at April 02, 2025 05:58 PM (g47mK)

141 I'm being told that judge Bozoberg has been killed by a rabid pangolin.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 02, 2025 05:56 PM (2UnvF)

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Old & Busted: Big Penguin.
New Hotness: Big Pangolin.

/Behold the birth of a new meme ...

Posted by: ShainS -- If Elon Bought Planned Parenthood, The Left Would Hate Abortion at April 02, 2025 05:58 PM (JJRgX)

142 I've read unconvincing arguments in favor of it.

It still seems like madness to me. Especially if it's the effing Chinese doing this dangerous work.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2025 05:53 PM (YqDXo)

The only arguments I've heard in favor of "gain of function" research is that they can do research to create a very deadly virus, then they can do research to try to find a vaccine for the very deadly virus they created.

That makes no sense. Any vaccine you make for your man made deadly virus is very unlikely to be of any help against any natural viruses. And why would you risk creating a "doomsday virus" on the hope that you could create a vaccine for that virus? What if you can't?

This is how zombie movies start.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 02, 2025 05:58 PM (uCjyK)

143 Neil Young thinks Trump is going to have him incarcerated when he comes back into the US because he said nasty things about Trump.

I doubt Trump even noticed, to be honest.

Old man yells at the sky.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 02, 2025 05:57 PM (LweC0)

Trump: Who?

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 02, 2025 05:58 PM (VNX3d)

144 118 At least they weren't weaponizing ebola.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 02, 2025 05:53 PM (wO8PJ)
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(racist Asian joke incoming)

That's because the Ebola samples were on the top shelf.

Zinggggggg!!!!

Posted by: Orson at April 02, 2025 05:58 PM (dIske)

145 Neil Young thinks Trump is going to have him incarcerated when he comes back into the US because he said nasty things about Trump.

I doubt Trump even noticed, to be honest.

Old man yells at the sky.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 02, 2025 05:57 PM (LweC0)
________________

Jack Dempsey once said to a bar patron who was trying to pick a fight with the great boxer: "If you hit me, and I ever find out about it ..."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2025 05:58 PM (YqDXo)

146 Covid was a test.

I'll never believe any differently.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 02, 2025 05:59 PM (aPY1X)

147 Yeah, I suppose they're making sensible noises right now, but I'm not going to take epidemiology advice from the horndogs who caught syphilis from the wild Indians and then spread it throughout Europe. Jus' sayin'.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 02, 2025 05:59 PM (BI5O2)

148 129 Covid was biowarfare by the Chinese. Full stop.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 02, 2025 05:56 PM (LweC0)

And I helped!!!

Posted by: Mr. Science, Anthony Fauci at April 02, 2025 05:59 PM (RLLZj)

149 But the real question is why.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

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This is easy and not so nefarious.

Mostly it was about the grift, but it was justified as a way of keeping tabs on what the Chinese were doing. They were going to do this anyway, but in secret -- if the US offered to "help," then the US would know how far along they were. They would also know what defensive measures were necessary since the Chinese would not do anything they could not defend themselves from.

Of course, there are a lot of holes in this approach, but that's where the grift overwhelmes.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 02, 2025 05:59 PM (XrIem)

150 121 The irony - or perhaps the tell - is that the Chinese accused us of germ warfare during the Korean War.
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Brainwashing!! Thousands of PLA troops returning home singing "I did it my way"!!!

Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at April 02, 2025 05:59 PM (/tzYP)

151 Neil Young thinks

Wasn't he a minstrel or something in the middle of the last century?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 02, 2025 06:00 PM (jc0TO)

152 The only arguments I've heard in favor of "gain of function" research is that they can do research to create a very deadly virus, then they can do research to try to find a vaccine for the very deadly virus they created.

That makes no sense. Any vaccine you make for your man made deadly virus is very unlikely to be of any help against any natural viruses. And why would you risk creating a "doomsday virus" on the hope that you could create a vaccine for that virus? What if you can't?

This is how zombie movies start.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 02, 2025 05:58 PM (uCjyK)
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That's the explanation I've seen too.

"I'm going to hit myself in the balls, so I can then find a way to deal with busted balls."

Makes perfect sense to me.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2025 06:00 PM (YqDXo)

153
I don't think margarine was involved, and that's why the young lady is still all pissed off about it.

They do make movies like that these days.
Posted by: Auspex

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The young lady also said that Marlon raped her for real, and the director cheered it on and they both abused her on the set.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 02, 2025 06:01 PM (lCaJd)

154 My favorite part of Covid is where all the politicians got massively rich by forcing everyone to take the jab from the company they owned stock in.

Followed closely by Nancy Pelosi's Ice Cream Freezer.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 02, 2025 05:58 PM (aPY1X)

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And how millions of small businesses, churches, funerals were shuttered while Big Box stores Weed Dispensaries, and Summer of Love, Burning, Murder, & Looting participants all made record profits.

Posted by: ShainS -- If Elon Bought Planned Parenthood, The Left Would Hate Abortion at April 02, 2025 06:01 PM (JJRgX)

155 "It is therefore necessary to develop "a culture of risk and responsibility" among researchers"

That will feel much better the next time a govt. develops a virus to kill me.

Posted by: Ripley at April 02, 2025 06:01 PM (PTDkx)

156 The French still owe Didier Raoult an apology and reparations for trashing his reputation after he strongly advocated the use of hydroxychloroquine, azythromycin and zinc as an early intervention with COVID. The former “Father of European Virology” has been turned into a pariah because he wouldn’t go along with the hoax that there were no palliatives for COVID.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at April 02, 2025 06:01 PM (FVaXK)

157 Launder money?

*shifty eyes*

Posted by: U.S. Government at April 02, 2025 06:01 PM (v0R5T)

158 Huh??

[cough, cough]

Posted by: Sverdlovsk at April 02, 2025 06:01 PM (/tzYP)

159 I bit judge Bozoberg. Now I wish I could lick my own asshole to get the taste out of my mouth.

Posted by: A Pangolin at April 02, 2025 06:01 PM (2UnvF)

160 Neil Young thinks

Wasn't he a minstrel or something in the middle of the last century?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 02, 2025 06:00 PM (jc0TO)
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Who knew he was still alive?

Neil Young: "Look at me! I'm still ~~alive~~ relevant!"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2025 06:02 PM (YqDXo)

161 Neil Young, "I'm relevant, darn it!"

No, Neil, you're not. You were never relevant, other than as a songwriter.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at April 02, 2025 06:02 PM (tT6L1)

162 I believe a French contractor was actually the prime contractor for construction of the WIV, but pulled out at some point due to Chy-nah not following standards or something quality-related. This came out within a few weeks.

The Furin cleavage site was sort of a gigantic blinking blazing smoking gun of factitious origin, I think. This was also noted very very early.

While the censorship explosion accompanying the epidemic is its own, fundamental horror show and irreversible insight into the nature of a large portion of the "western" populations, it wasn't very complete or competent (of course, it was overseen by idiots in tech and elsewhere). So most of these key factoids and issues were knowable very early on.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 02, 2025 06:02 PM (1m82a)

163 Neil Young thinks...
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I haven't seen any proof of this in the last couple of decades.

Posted by: Crusader at April 02, 2025 06:02 PM (TN0g+)

164 Brainwashing!! Thousands of PLA troops returning home singing "I did it my way"!!!

Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at April 02, 2025 05:59 PM (/tzYP)
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Great obscure "Manchurian Candidate" reference!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at April 02, 2025 06:02 PM (YqDXo)

165 153

The young lady also said that Marlon raped her for real, and the director cheered it on and they both abused her on the set.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 02, 2025 06:01 PM (lCaJd)

Never have seen the movie… Last Tango in Paris?? Was this actress famous?

Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2025 06:03 PM (mu/VF)

166 Neil Young thinks
......

Doubtful. His brain is fried.

Posted by: wth at April 02, 2025 06:03 PM (v0R5T)

167 It was on purpose. Sure, the Chinese are very CAPABLE of f-ing up safety and do 24/7. But they never have at this scale. It's not a coincidence that this came out when Trump was at peak popularity and ready to breeze through reelection, all the while viciously hated by the Chinese regime for his trade warring with them. I don't believe for a second this wasn't deliberate...

Posted by: bearski at April 02, 2025 05:47 PM (Bhsk7)

While I'm sure the Chinese CCP knew everything that went on in the lab and had the results, they weren't running the lab, Fauci's cronies were doing that. And that's where the release happened. There's no advantage to having the outbreak at home

Now once it happened, knowing the link of the lab to the US, the Chinese sure as hell took steps to get exposure as far and wide as they could.

I also disagree that the Chinese were super pissed at Trump's trade deals. What's a bit of a tariff to them? They just turn in a fraction of the dollars they have in stock and get 20 times that back in all the goods we import. They take the long view.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 02, 2025 06:03 PM (n7h9X)

168 "The risks are underestimated by a number of researchers," Christine Rouzioux diagnoses.

And that's a fatal flaw flagging further studies as unacceptable. If these individuals cannot/will not appreciate the risk, there's no amount of protocol, procedure, and method that will mitigate those risks. The personnel is doomed to repeat and fail. Oh, sure, they'll spitefully agree to further restrictions and whatnot, but at their core, they're incompetent for the job and an incredibly suspect job at that.

As in Jurassic Park, Nature finds a way. And with tech manipulating it, Nature will find the superhighway.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at April 02, 2025 06:03 PM (gLikB)

169 Mostly it was about the grift, but it was justified as a way of keeping tabs on what the Chinese were doing. They were going to do this anyway, but in secret -- if the US offered to "help," then the US would know how far along they were. They would also know what defensive measures were necessary since the Chinese would not do anything they could not defend themselves from.

Of course, there are a lot of holes in this approach, but that's where the grift overwhelmes.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 02, 2025 05:59 PM (XrIem)

So in this scenario, the Chinese were okay with their biggest advisories intelligence agencies being openly involved in their military weapons research?

It just seems hard to believe that there is an innocent or "good" reason why the CIA to be funding bioweapon research in our supposed adversary. And that's not their usual MO, is it? Usually they're blowing stuff like that up all over the world.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 02, 2025 06:03 PM (uCjyK)

170 Covid was biowarfare by the Chinese. Full stop.
Posted by: tcn in AK

Why release it in the middle of your own country? That doesn't make sense even for their malicious culture. They could have released it anywhere they wanted to.

Remember some code enforcement office in NorCal found a ramshackle bio lab owned by some Chinese expats, and that story just disappeared.

Posted by: W Boosh at April 02, 2025 06:03 PM (mlg/3)

171 Of course... Those dirty-dicked horndogs in France with their syphilis probably know more about infections than anyone else.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 02, 2025 06:04 PM (BI5O2)

172 I was wondering what "The Great Reset" meant.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at April 02, 2025 06:04 PM (wBaIH)

173 Scientists deal in fear. (Look at climate change.)

They go to the funders and say "Look, China may be developing a world destroying biological weapon that will wipe out everyone except those who have their cure. They will protect their chosen people and destroy all humanity"

"We don't know what they are doing, but that is their goal and they are working on it. Give us money and we will work with them to keep track of their progress so that if they get to far along we know how to prepare."

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 02, 2025 06:04 PM (XrIem)

174 Great obscure "Manchurian Candidate" reference!
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I got the Imperial margarine one too!

Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at April 02, 2025 06:05 PM (/tzYP)

175 Neil Young thinks
......

Doubtful. His brain is fried.
Posted by: wth at April 02, 2025 06:03 PM (v0R5T)

His brains aren't even fried eggs. It's one of those egg substitutes, fried to a crisp.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at April 02, 2025 06:06 PM (VNX3d)

176 Of course... Those dirty-dicked horndogs in France with their syphilis probably know more about infections than anyone else.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
......

Them and their courtesans.

Posted by: wth at April 02, 2025 06:06 PM (v0R5T)

177 Didn’t some agitator person say, once, that the CIA was responsible for creating and propagating the AIDS virus???
Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2025 05:55 PM (mu/VF)

In 1985 a very gay African American microwave engineer told me it all started with the CIA infecting pigs in Cuba. He was designing military avionics gasfet amplifiers for the defense dept. Pretty high security clearance. No, he didn't note the irony of it all. And he was a a typical autistic genius.

Posted by: 13times at April 02, 2025 06:06 PM (ZmmSk)

178 129 Covid was biowarfare by the Chinese. Full stop.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 02, 2025 05:56 PM (LweC0)

And I helped!!!
Posted by: Mr. Science, Anthony Fauci at April 02, 2025 05:59 PM (RLLZj)

Covid was biowarfare by Anthony Fauci. Full Stop.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 02, 2025 06:06 PM (n7h9X)

179 But the real question is why. Why do aspects of our governments want to do incredibly dangerous research that has very limited to no real upside and looks a lot like a bio weapon? And if the answer is "to be used in a war" then -- against whom? We're told China is our #1 adversary, yet that's where we choose to do this risky, unnecessary, and banned-in-any-sane-world research?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 02, 2025 05:50 PM

The official reason governments fund gain of function research is to "get ahead" of virus mutating in the wild and have the stuff they need to make a vaccine quickly.

The real reason is as you said, bio weapons. Both to prepare something nasty for any enemy and to research stuff to get your people vaccinated against potential enemy weapons .

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 02, 2025 06:06 PM (e5NfL)

180 I really like the geetar parts of Down By The River. Which is most of it.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 02, 2025 06:07 PM (Dm8we)

181
So in this scenario, the Chinese were okay with their biggest advisories intelligence agencies being openly involved in their military weapons research?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes

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Are you kidding? They invite Apple in to teach them how to design phones. Tesla to teach them EV cars, etc. Their whole strategy is to cooperate until they can steal all the tech and then shut out those who helped.

This whole program was run by the PLA and there are probably more labs and research that the US was not involved with.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 02, 2025 06:07 PM (XrIem)

182 Does a pardon protect you from state crimes? Seems like a lot of states were affected by Fauci.

Posted by: ryukyu at April 02, 2025 06:07 PM (GYHsz)

183 Pangolins should only be consumed in months with an "r".

Posted by: Pangolin Facts at April 02, 2025 06:08 PM (vFG9F)

184 Reading the Kilmer story linked in the sidebar... I was thinking earlier that I have three of his movies. Real Genius, Tombstone, and Willow. But I remembered that I also have Prince of Egypt where he voiced Moses. The scene of parting the Red Sea was seriously impressive on a big screen. Looks exactly the way I imagined it would in Sunday School. I also have the Saint. I know people bag on that movie but I found it very entertaining.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 02, 2025 06:08 PM (4XwPj)

185 In 1985 a very gay African American microwave engineer told me it all started with the CIA fucking and infecting pigs in Cuba.

Posted by: wth at April 02, 2025 06:09 PM (v0R5T)

186 Wow! Nancy Drew they ain't.

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at April 02, 2025 06:09 PM (MoBS7)

187 Why release it in the middle of your own country? That doesn't make sense even for their malicious culture. They could have released it anywhere they wanted to.

Remember some code enforcement office in NorCal found a ramshackle bio lab owned by some Chinese expats, and that story just disappeared.
Posted by: W Boosh at April 02, 2025 06:03 PM (mlg/3)

Also I think the Chinese doctor doing the work came from our side, I never heard of an official link to Chinese biolabs doing work for China. Fauci put it in China because Obama's rules made it hard to put it in the US.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 02, 2025 06:09 PM (n7h9X)

188 Why release it in the middle of your own country? That doesn't make sense even for their malicious culture. They could have released it anywhere they wanted to.

Remember some code enforcement office in NorCal found a ramshackle bio lab owned by some Chinese expats, and that story just disappeared.
Posted by: W Boosh at April 02, 2025 06:03 PM (mlg/3)

The Chinese do not value any human life except their very own. They do not have the Judeo-Christian viewpoint that life is sacred. What's a few million extra Chinese deaths against plausible deniability? They send their people all over the world for nefarious purposes (so do we, I suppose) so spreading the infection was simple.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 02, 2025 06:09 PM (LweC0)

189 184
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 02, 2025 06:08 PM (4XwPj)

I recommend Salton Sea… very good.

Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2025 06:10 PM (mu/VF)

190 25 >>>It was Acé.

As (french for Ace).
Posted by: ace at April 02, 2025 05:33 PM (KRtlO)

Someone was talking about AoS swag.

As of Spades...are you for Imprint certain?

Posted by: haffhowershower at April 02, 2025 06:10 PM (NMT5x)

191 I don't need some queer engineer to tell me that CIA agents are pigfuckers.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 02, 2025 06:10 PM (BI5O2)

192 Are you kidding? They invite Apple in to teach them how to design phones. Tesla to teach them EV cars, etc. Their whole strategy is to cooperate until they can steal all the tech and then shut out those who helped.

This whole program was run by the PLA and there are probably more labs and research that the US was not involved with.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 02, 2025 06:07 PM (XrIem)

Yes, they'll happily steal IP. That's a totally different thing.

If that's the analogy we're using, then is the US teaching them how to make bio-weapons, and then they're stealing our bio weapon tech for themselves?

I get back to my original question: why is the CIA in any way involved in funding or working in any way to advance Chinese bioweapons? "They're going to do it anyways, so we may as well help them so we can keep an eye on them, and they'll just let us do that" is not a very compelling answer.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 02, 2025 06:10 PM (uCjyK)

193 While I'm sure the Chinese CCP knew everything that went on in the lab and had the results, they weren't running the lab, Fauci's cronies were doing that.
Posted by: Oldcat

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The PLA was running the lab. Labs have many different research projects going at one time and Fauci's money was not funding all of them. Nor was he funding the lab itself.

You underestimate the Chinese if you think they were not on top of every program, every researcher, every project going on in that lab.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 02, 2025 06:10 PM (XrIem)

194 191 I don't need some queer engineer to tell me that CIA agents are pigfuckers.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 02, 2025 06:10 PM (BI5O2)

Dude, you have a way with words… impress.

Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2025 06:11 PM (mu/VF)

195 My theory is it was a planning plot to unleash on the world population

Posted by: Skip at April 02, 2025 06:11 PM (ypFCm)

196 184 Reading the Kilmer story linked in the sidebar... I was thinking earlier that I have three of his movies. Real Genius, Tombstone, and Willow. But I remembered that I also have Prince of Egypt where he voiced Moses. The scene of parting the Red Sea was seriously impressive on a big screen. Looks exactly the way I imagined it would in Sunday School. I also have the Saint. I know people bag on that movie but I found it very entertaining.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 02, 2025 06:08 PM (4XwPj)

I like Val in The Saint, but the script was a little vague.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at April 02, 2025 06:11 PM (xcxpd)

197 is not a very compelling answer.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

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How about if I give you 10% of the grant money? Would that compel you?

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 02, 2025 06:12 PM (XrIem)

198 Covid was biowarfare by the Chinese. Full stop.
Posted by: tcn in AK

Why release it in the middle of your own country?
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I agree with the assertion that it was biowarfare, and I believe they didn't "release" it--it got out prematurely instead. But the Chinese are *guilty* nonetheless.

Posted by: Crusader at April 02, 2025 06:12 PM (TN0g+)

199 191 I don't need some queer engineer to tell me that CIA agents are pigfuckers.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 02, 2025 06:10 PM (BI5O2)

Pure poetry, my friend. Pure poetry.

Posted by: tcn in AK at April 02, 2025 06:12 PM (LweC0)

200 Pangolins should only be consumed in months with an "r".
Posted by: Pangolin Facts

Not true. Pangolins are good years round.

Posted by: Big Pangolin at April 02, 2025 06:13 PM (v0R5T)

201 185 the CIA fucking and infecting pigs in Cuba.
Posted by: wth

Do you think they could hook me up?

Posted by: Mike Johnson at April 02, 2025 06:13 PM (/U5Yz)

202 I liked Kilmer's Batman.

Posted by: runner at April 02, 2025 06:13 PM (g47mK)

203 Check out DEFUSE. It was a proposed line of GOF research that DARPA turned down as too hazardous/not worth it. SARS-COV-19, presumably created at the WIV, looks verrrrry much like the intended product of DEFUSE. The same players. They just off-shored the project and lied to US funding entities. Doesn't really help the bad spy novel (all of them) explanations, but there it is.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 02, 2025 06:13 PM (1m82a)

204 Why release it in the middle of your own country? That doesn't make sense even for their malicious culture. They could have released it anywhere they wanted to.

Remember some code enforcement office in NorCal found a ramshackle bio lab owned by some Chinese expats, and that story just disappeared.
Posted by: W Boosh

Demographics and economics. They have a LOT of old people who can't work anymore and the government is responsible for their care. Food, housing, medical, everything. Covid hit the elderly and infirm the hardest. The economics of that demographic is a serious problem for them. They really wanted to get rid of the "useless eaters" in their country.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 02, 2025 06:14 PM (4XwPj)

205 The Chinese do not value any human life except their very own. They do not have the Judeo-Christian viewpoint that life is sacred. What's a few million extra Chinese deaths against plausible deniability? They send their people all over the world for nefarious purposes (so do we, I suppose) so spreading the infection was simple.
Posted by: tcn in AK at April 02, 2025 06:09 PM (LweC0)

Having it start in your own country means you need to hunt for deniability. If it starts somewhere else you don't need to do that, nor lose the people or have the chaos in your own backyard.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 02, 2025 06:14 PM (n7h9X)

206 I really like the geetar parts of Down By The River. Which is most of it.
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I agree with Neil's strangely hypnotic way of playing electric guitar--"Live Rust" with Crazy Horse is one of the best 5 live performances I've ever heard.

But I can't stand a single song Neil ever put out that involved him and an acoustic guitar.

Posted by: Crusader at April 02, 2025 06:14 PM (TN0g+)

207
What do you call a collection of french scientists?

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 02, 2025 06:15 PM (uDnyh)

208
le murder?

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 02, 2025 06:15 PM (uDnyh)

209 How about if I give you 10% of the grant money? Would that compel you?
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 02, 2025 06:12 PM (XrIem)

Sold.

All joking aside, I am usually very cynical and believe most things can be explained by corruption. I'm not saying that's not the case here. I'm just saying that there are alternate, more sinister explanations that also can't be ruled out.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at April 02, 2025 06:16 PM (uCjyK)

210 207
What do you call a collection of french scientists?
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 02, 2025 06:15 PM (uDnyh)

Pathetic? Risible?

Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2025 06:16 PM (mu/VF)

211 Having it start in your own country means you need to hunt for deniability. If it starts somewhere else you don't need to do that, nor lose the people or have the chaos in your own backyard.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 02, 2025 06:14 PM

Blame it on someone else like we did with the "Spanish" flu in 1918. It started here in the US with infected soldiers going to Europe for the War and we denied the fvck out of it. Blamed it on neutral Spain and a legend was born.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 02, 2025 06:17 PM (e5NfL)

212 Why release it in the middle of your own country?

So nobody would question the footage of people dropping dead, paving the way for lockdowns and vaccines. We couldn't have pulled it off in Seattle.

Posted by: The CIA at April 02, 2025 06:17 PM (zMQny)

213 Remember that 'biosecurity' was why we had shut down GoF research in America to start with. Stuff was wandering around the country, getting lost, turning up where it wasn't supposed to be, etc. I mean, if the USPS is part of your 'biosecurity' then I question your sanity.

So, Fauci just sent it overseas through those wonderful "grants" we've found all over.

I hope I live long enough to piss on his grave.

Posted by: GWB at April 02, 2025 06:17 PM (XR+2F)

214 This is huge!

We've been waiting on the report from the French Academy of Medicine.

Posted by: Absolutely No One at April 02, 2025 06:17 PM (BN7Mi)

215 The base unit of society is the tribe.. everythinggrows from tribalism…

Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2025 06:17 PM (mu/VF)

216 Leave the pigs alone!

Posted by: Rabid Moroccan Donkey with a ruptured asshole at April 02, 2025 06:17 PM (jzl6Z)

217
“Anything to Get a Tax Cut”: James Carville Accuses “Rich Jewish” Republicans of Ignoring Nazism Out of Greed for “Money”

Is he commenting on Zerohedge now?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 02, 2025 06:18 PM (63Dwl)

218 Guitarmegeddon will be a showdown between a jolly little man from Nashville and a tall angry Norseman with long hair.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 02, 2025 06:18 PM (lEahz)

219 Also, French journalists suck almost as much at their language as American journalists do at English:
97% of the French Academy of Medicine voted almost unanimously

"Almost unanimously" would be 97% pretty much.
SMH

Posted by: GWB at April 02, 2025 06:18 PM (XR+2F)

220 I agree with Neil's strangely hypnotic way of playing electric guitar--"Live Rust" with Crazy Horse is one of the best 5 live performances I've ever heard.

But I can't stand a single song Neil ever put out that involved him and an acoustic guitar.
Posted by: Crusader
________

Here's an upbeat version of Powderfinger with really tight rhythms. The Beat Farmers, if any of you morons are familiar:

https://tinyurl.com/m6v4n5bv

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at April 02, 2025 06:19 PM (Dm8we)

221 Demographics and economics. They have a LOT of old people who can't work anymore and the government is responsible for their care. Food, housing, medical, everything. Covid hit the elderly and infirm the hardest. The economics of that demographic is a serious problem for them. They really wanted to get rid of the "useless eaters" in their country.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 02, 2025 06:14 PM (4XwPj)

Yes, they have a demographic problem but Covid didn't help with it. It is still there. And actually most retirement care is devolved on the one child they are allowed to have. That's behind the construction bubble because everyone in China is buying crumbling real estate to help the family in retirement.

But if China wanted a Covid, they had no need for bungling Fauci and the Wuhan lab. I'm sure they have labs of their own.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 02, 2025 06:19 PM (n7h9X)

222 > What do you call a collection of french scientists?

You call them by their names: Muhammad, Mohammed, Mohammad, Mohamed, Muhamed, Muhammud, Mahammad, and Mahomed.

Posted by: bonhomme at April 02, 2025 06:19 PM (lIio7)

223 219 Also, French journalists suck almost as much at their language as American journalists do at English:
97% of the French Academy of Medicine voted almost unanimously

"Almost unanimously" would be 97% pretty much.
SMH
Posted by: GWB at April 02, 2025 06:18 PM (XR+2F)

Caught that too… smirked, I did…

Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2025 06:19 PM (mu/VF)

224
So, Fauci just sent it overseas through those wonderful "grants" we've found all over.

I hope I live long enough to piss on his grave.
Posted by: GWB

I hate standing in long lines.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 02, 2025 06:19 PM (63Dwl)

225 This is like having a cheating wife finally admit what happened 3 years after bonking her work husband and then wanting to be congratulated for telling the truth.

Hunt: But honey, I was miserable the last 4 years. You lied to me all the time!

Wifey: This is so you. Never giving me credit for anything. Always bringing up the past.

Posted by: Rando Calrissian at April 02, 2025 06:20 PM (uTp11)

226 Laboratory "error" my ass.

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at April 02, 2025 06:20 PM (DsA2n)

227 198 Covid was biowarfare by the Chinese. Full stop.
Posted by: tcn in AK

Better way to put it than I did

Posted by: Skip at April 02, 2025 06:21 PM (ypFCm)

228 Why release it in the middle of your own country?

So nobody would question the footage of people dropping dead, paving the way for lockdowns and vaccines. We couldn't have pulled it off in Seattle.
Posted by: The CIA at April 02, 2025 06:17 PM (zMQny)

You mean the stuff that everyone started questioning in about 5 minutes? I agree they were happy we started doing the lockdowns ourselves.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 02, 2025 06:21 PM (n7h9X)

229 Look at all the reversals these days. COVID came from a lab. Biden was demented. What next? Place your bets.

---

There are serious, permanent, lifelong consequences to mutilating children and pumping them full of the wrong hormones.

Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at April 02, 2025 06:21 PM (B9Prs)

230 >What do you call a collection of french scientists?

A Pastuer.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 02, 2025 06:21 PM (lEahz)

231 227 198 Covid was biowarfare by the Chinese. Full stop.
Posted by: tcn in AK

Better way to put it than I did
Posted by: Skip at April 02, 2025 06:21 PM (ypFCm)

No Pangolins???

Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2025 06:22 PM (mu/VF)

232 I'm just saying that there are alternate, more sinister explanations that also can't be ruled out.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

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Oh, I agree.
I suspect everything, and I suspect nothing.

I am just giving a contender for possibilities.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at April 02, 2025 06:22 PM (XrIem)

233 >>>What do you call a collection of french scientists?

Gay bath house?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at April 02, 2025 06:22 PM (/U5Yz)

234 Do they have pangolins in Alaska??? Artic Snow Pangolins?

Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2025 06:23 PM (mu/VF)

235 So nobody would question the footage of people dropping dead, paving the way for lockdowns and vaccines. We couldn't have pulled it off in Seattle.
Posted by: The CIA
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Yes, the nurses are of too high quality there and they are armed.

Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at April 02, 2025 06:23 PM (/tzYP)

236 After a careful search, the Chinese did find one place where the ground was low enough and suitable for creating a flood that could halt the Japanese. Curiously enough, this spot was at Huayuankou, a small village ten miles north of Chengchow, exactly where the Yellow River. [...] rampage through eleven counties and three provinces, submerged eleven cities, 4,000 villages, and upwards of 2,000,000 square mow of land; it has driven 2,000,000 people from their homes.

The Japanese were delayed for 6 weeks.

Posted by: 13times at April 02, 2025 06:23 PM (ZmmSk)

237 198 Covid was biowarfare by the Chinese. Full stop.

Posted by: tcn in AK

Yes, let's use at an excuse to hate the Chinese and go to war with them.

Posted by: Total Retard at April 02, 2025 06:23 PM (BN7Mi)

238 Look at all the reversals these days. COVID came from a lab. Biden was demented. What next? Place your bets.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia

Proof that NGOs used US tax money to import illegals.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 02, 2025 06:24 PM (T4kcV)

239 There are some live versions of "Like A Hurricane" that are hypnotic and wonderful. Young's collaboration with DEVO is also amazing.

Posted by: Hey Hey, My My at April 02, 2025 06:24 PM (G5+As)

240 So did Fauci know he was running risks with the use of a non secure lab?

Posted by: torabora at April 02, 2025 06:25 PM (0Gnoc)

241 Having it start in your own country means you need to hunt for deniability. If it starts somewhere else you don't need to do that, nor lose the people or have the chaos in your own backyard.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 02, 2025 06:14 PM

Blame it on someone else like we did with the "Spanish" flu in 1918. It started here in the US with infected soldiers going to Europe for the War and we denied the fvck out of it. Blamed it on neutral Spain and a legend was born.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 02, 2025 06:17 PM (e5NfL)

You keep flipping who the baddie is, the Chinese or CIA. Certainly it would be easier to blame it on someone non Chinese if it didn't start smack in China.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 02, 2025 06:25 PM (n7h9X)

242 So did Fauci know he was running risks with the use of a non secure lab?
Posted by: torabora at April 02, 2025 06:25 PM (0Gnoc)

Yes.

Posted by: Oldcat at April 02, 2025 06:25 PM (n7h9X)

243 But if China wanted a Covid, they had no need for bungling Fauci and the Wuhan lab. I'm sure they have labs of their own.
Posted by: Oldcat at April 02, 2025 06:19 PM (n7h9X)

They still want plausible deniability. I would bet real money they told their citizens that the CIA released that shit. And maybe the care for the elderly falls to a child but they don't all have children. They do have a lot of homeless elderly people. Their "society" mouths reverence for their elders. Keeping up appearances is a matter of honor. And honor amongst themselves is still a thing there.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 02, 2025 06:25 PM (4XwPj)

244 Fauci's wife is a man, right?

Posted by: bonhomme at April 02, 2025 06:26 PM (lIio7)

245 What do you call a collection of French scientists?

Les Pedantiques

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at April 02, 2025 06:26 PM (DsA2n)

246
Look at all the reversals these days. COVID came from a lab. Biden was demented. What next? Place your bets.

---

There are serious, permanent, lifelong consequences to mutilating children and pumping them full of the wrong hormones.
Posted by: Joe, living dangerously

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Ooh, yes, I think that one is coming soon.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at April 02, 2025 06:26 PM (lCaJd)

247 let's use at an excuse to hate the Chinese and go to war with them.
Posted by: Total Retard at April 0
****
Gee we're at over a million dead now. What's it going to take for us to counterattack?

Posted by: torabora at April 02, 2025 06:26 PM (0Gnoc)

248 Better way to put it than I did
Posted by: Skip at April 02, 2025 06:21 PM (ypFCm)

No Pangolins???

Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2025 06:22 PM

I hate penguins.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 02, 2025 06:28 PM (e5NfL)

249 237 198 Covid was biowarfare by the Chinese. Full stop.

Posted by: tcn in AK

Yes, let's use at an excuse to hate the Chinese and go to war with them.
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We won't. But it would be fully justified if we did. Think of the world wide damage the Chinese did. We've declared war for far, far less.

Posted by: Crusader at April 02, 2025 06:29 PM (TN0g+)

250 If we won't yeet every Chinese national on student visa, then we lack the stomach for war.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 02, 2025 06:30 PM (lEahz)

251 The author of the book The Great Influenza retracted that bit about the Spanish flu originating in the US. He now thinks it likely that it originated in China.

Posted by: 13times at April 02, 2025 06:31 PM (ZmmSk)

252 Look at all the reversals these days. COVID came from a lab. Biden was demented. What next? Place your bets.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia

Proof that NGOs used US tax money to import illegals.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 02, 2025 06:24 PM (T4kcV)
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I'm betting MILLIONS of illegals vote in our elections.
California has signed up 1.2 million for driver's licenses. With the handy dandy social security card just register to vote. Who's going to stop the ballot from being counted?

Posted by: torabora at April 02, 2025 06:32 PM (0Gnoc)

253 let's use at an excuse to hate the Chinese and go to war with them.
Posted by: Total Retard at April 0

Why would we go to war with China? We can cripple them with tariffs and repatriating manufacturing. Their economy is on the razors edge. They can't eat those battleships. And they can't use them to fuel those coal power plants either.

Clearly you do not understand what Trump is actually doing.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at April 02, 2025 06:32 PM (4XwPj)

254 NOOD SHOOTER

Posted by: Max Power at April 02, 2025 06:34 PM (q177U)

255 I doubt anyone here ( or mostly anywhere else) wants to go to WAR with anyone…except DC creatures, who always look to make bank…

Posted by: tubal at April 02, 2025 06:34 PM (mu/VF)

256 Fauci predicted it and helped the Chinese to make it

Posted by: Skip at April 02, 2025 06:35 PM (ypFCm)

257 254 NOOD SHOOTER
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, Tom ejaculated swiftly!

Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at April 02, 2025 06:37 PM (/tzYP)

258 The Beat Farmers, if any of you morons are familiar:

And how! A big part of my musical youth.

Posted by: t-bird at April 02, 2025 06:45 PM (HeV6l)

259 The French ought to know, they built the Wuhan lab for the Chinese.

Posted by: Dino58 at April 02, 2025 06:56 PM (Gmb8X)

260 "I think this just means that workstations have hoods with fans above them... like your oven. That's it for 'biosecurity.'"

To be fair, extremely efficient hoods that work very well indeed. IF - you use them correctly. AND ONLY while the things in question are actually in the hood. Drop a flask or tube with this stuff in it and just wipe it up and throw it away?

Or, decide to make a few yuan by selling off a few experimental animals once they're done with for pets or food.

Posted by: RonF at April 02, 2025 07:49 PM (l8nW6)

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