Trump Declares the Presidential Pardons Signed Not by Biden But By His Aides Operating the Auto-Pen to be "Void"

Fake Jake is big mad. He lies about the situation, claiming that Trump is asserting an unconstitutional right to cancel pardons. In fact, he's asserting that only the president has the power to pardon, and these pardons were never signed by Biden, and therefore never had any effect from the moment they were presented to public.

Jake Tapper
@jaketapper
At 12:35 am ET, the president decreed that he was nullifying President Biden's preemptive pardons of members of the January 6 committee, an assertion of a power the Constitution does not bestow.

Sean Davis
@seanmdav
Jake Tapper, who a jury declared to be fake news, didn't say a word when Biden claimed to unilaterally amend the Constitution via a tweet. I guess Tapper is also back to claiming Biden was of sound mind despite trying to sell a book absolving Democrats of lying about Biden’s mental state for years.

Trump didn't make these unsigned phony pardons void. They were born void because Biden didn't sign them.

Posted by: Ace at 01:00 PM

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1 AutoPen is not a signature, it is a facsimile of one.

Here's your juicebox.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 17, 2025 01:01 PM (zay7X)

2 Let’s see some follow-through.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at March 17, 2025 01:01 PM (fwyhL)

3 Boom

Posted by: steevy at March 17, 2025 01:01 PM (KQk9m)

4 at last, sanity.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 17, 2025 01:01 PM (weA3C)

5 And all this going on against the backdrop of the Democrat far-left vowing to tear down the Democrat center-left for... voting to fund the government.

What a time to be alive.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at March 17, 2025 01:01 PM (DIweC)

6 AiC notes this is not the case and no remedy exists.

Posted by: Piper at March 17, 2025 01:01 PM (pRpzT)

7
Our President was Otto! Otto Penn!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 17, 2025 01:02 PM (xG4kz)

8 I love this almost more than firing the dead weight from various agencies. Almost.

Posted by: huerfano at March 17, 2025 01:02 PM (n2swS)

9 My theory, and it's a good one seeing as I'm a regular AOS reader, is this gives the Supreme Court an opportunity to rule against Trump, to "balance" all the decisions that are going to go his way shortly.

Ok, maybe not a great opinion...

Posted by: nononeyouknowyouknow at March 17, 2025 01:02 PM (oaPfe)

10 It's not about the auto pen itself. It's about the authorization to use the auto pen.

Posted by: Hald Dozen at March 17, 2025 01:03 PM (uVHlT)

11 You know how you can tell those signatures from Biden on the pardons are fake?

Because they weren't fingerpainted with his own poop.

Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at March 17, 2025 01:03 PM (2VMYz)

12 This is going to be very interesting, honestly. The points made by AiC are frustrating, but make sense. I would love to see the other side - the side I like better- argued.

Posted by: Piper at March 17, 2025 01:03 PM (pRpzT)

13 Defendants always have the opportunity to present their "pardons" in court and have authenticity of the signature verified.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 17, 2025 01:03 PM (zay7X)

14 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 17, 2025 01:03 PM (Zz0t1)

15 Plus he had no idea what they were even if he did sign which of course he didn't...

Posted by: It's me donna at March 17, 2025 01:04 PM (VE6XX)

16 IT WAS A STUTTER!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 17, 2025 01:04 PM (Zz0t1)

17 9 My theory, and it's a good one seeing as I'm a regular AOS reader, is this gives the Supreme Court an opportunity to rule against Trump, to "balance" all the decisions that are going to go his way shortly.

Ok, maybe not a great opinion...
Posted by: nononeyouknowyouknow at March 17, 2025 01:02 PM (oaPfe)

It's not going to matter unless/until the DOJ tries to indict someone covered by an autopen pardon, and the defendant moves to dismiss citing the pardon.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at March 17, 2025 01:04 PM (GD2xa)

18 Alley Butcher has an ad for yearbooks in his comment

Posted by: gKWVE at March 17, 2025 01:04 PM (gKWVE)

19 They are hilariously, transparently desperate to make anything Trump does into a "CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS" becuase they're playbook is Nixon era, and they can't admit the world has passed them by.

Posted by: Shenanigans at March 17, 2025 01:04 PM (pZ0Mr)

20 I was wondering why no one was making hay of this in the final days of the Biden administration.

I imagine it would have been more effective then than now.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 17, 2025 01:04 PM (GBKbO)

21 Woah, Buddy

Posted by: garrett at March 17, 2025 01:05 PM (npXNI)

22 Willowed, but appropriate

Simply put though is that the President's pardon power has been regarded similar to the former King's power (just like sovereign immunity was inherited from British law) as absolute in nature. Part of the issue in challenging them would be statutory standing where how can one be harmed by Hunter Biden's pardon from past acts. Difficult to do and thus easy for Dred Justice Roberts to issue his no standing decision.
Posted by: whig

But, as with the king, the KING must issue it. Not the King's Hand without the King's knowledge.

And that's what some aid did. Not even the VP, but the Groom of the Stool.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 17, 2025 01:05 PM (BLpWt)

23
Remember biden's "stutter" that Fake News told us he had all his life and "everyone" knew about it since, like, forever?

Posted by: Soothsayer at March 17, 2025 01:05 PM (9RB1C)

24 This is fun, watching the lefties heads explode

Posted by: ALH, Sister Golden Hair at March 17, 2025 01:05 PM (2pmd5)

25 If I don't sign a check it's a forgery.

But the President of the United States, who has access to nuclear codes and the process to fire everything in our arsenal at any moment anywhere, can't sign a document on the road or simply return to the office to sign a document.

Speaking of, what's the rush? Why does the autopen exist to begin with if not for fraud?

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Solve sexual compatibility problems by not being whores at March 17, 2025 01:05 PM (iv5Pb)

26 Ok, so when are we gonna see Hunter getting perp-walked in his PJs?

Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at March 17, 2025 01:05 PM (2VMYz)

27 *to be decided by the courts

Posted by: one hour sober at March 17, 2025 01:06 PM (Y1sOo)

28 Start with the handful of pardons that were "signed" with the Autopen, which included a date and said that they were signed in Washington, on days when Biden wasn't even in Washington.

Make them defend those first.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 17, 2025 01:06 PM (xTIDn)

29 Next declare everything else did null and void, except his pants, of course.

Posted by: fd at March 17, 2025 01:06 PM (vFG9F)

30 Hawaiian judge incoming 5,4,3,2

Posted by: ryukyu at March 17, 2025 01:06 PM (251iY)

31 https://youtu.be/1eXOXEKEaQM

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 17, 2025 01:06 PM (Zz0t1)

32 Ok, so when are we gonna see Hunter getting perp-walked in his PJs?

Right after the Epstein client list is released.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at March 17, 2025 01:06 PM (DIweC)

33 Yeah this is a pretty big issue.

See, the US Constitution does not put ANY limits on what pardons the president can issue, other than they have to be federal crimes. So it sounds like you cannot ever, under any circumstances, question a presidential pardon.

But underlying all this are a bunch of unstated assumptions. Such as "what is a pardon?" and "how can a president issue a pardon?"

For example, the president cannot declare that all Christopher Taylors get to have hot tub parties with Kate Upton and Susanna Hoffs, and claim that's a pardon. Dammit.

There is a whole legal structure and philosophy assumed by the entire concept of a pardon. The president cannot be compelled to give someone a pardon at gunpoint. They cannot give a pardon without even knowing what they are doing. They cannot give a pardon to someone who does not exist. All of this is assumed in the entire concept of a pardon, its legal backdrop to the idea.

So you cannot just say "NO LIMITS!" and pretend the president can do anything at all they wish to.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:07 PM (2VST1)

34 Fun but nothing will come of it. Unfortunately.

Posted by: WisRich at March 17, 2025 01:07 PM (G0vdT)

35 You thought the Entrumpening had already begun? Wrong.

NOW THE ENTRUMPENING HAS BEGUN.

Posted by: zombie at March 17, 2025 01:07 PM (pMi6S)

36 It will probably be struck down by the SCOTUS with Roberts and Barrett siding with the 3 Leftists.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 17, 2025 01:07 PM (NpAcC)

37 >>Next declare everything else did null and void, except his pants, of course.

Listen Fat...

I already Voided in these pants!

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 17, 2025 01:07 PM (npXNI)

38 Belay that order!

Posted by: Cpt DJ "Tiberius" Trump at March 17, 2025 01:07 PM (bhV/D)

39 All of the fake news reporters ran into the phone booths and toppled them over like the movie Airplane trying to follow up on this new scoop.

Posted by: Roy at March 17, 2025 01:07 PM (z+ik4)

40
The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire!

Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 17, 2025 01:07 PM (bFfr9)

41 Why does the autopen exist to begin with if not for fraud?

To sign form letters, form proclamations, and other Presidential ephemera.

Not for legal documents.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 17, 2025 01:07 PM (xTIDn)

42 Doesn't the Supreme Authority, some Hawaiian Judge need to rule on this first?

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 17, 2025 01:07 PM (MLvzu)

43 I wonder how much money Biden's aides made selling these pardons?

Posted by: Diogenes at March 17, 2025 01:07 PM (W/lyH)

44 It's a crime syndicate.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at March 17, 2025 01:07 PM (sOTkO)

45 No wonder Hunter is hiding out in South Africa.

Posted by: Kestrel.987 at March 17, 2025 01:07 PM (wyl5F)

46 What you mean the presidency cannot be run under a Power of Attorney?

Shocked, I tell you, shocked!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 17, 2025 01:07 PM (tT6L1)

47
Get J'Blowme before a court to describe just what actions he himself took or witnessed in the furtherance of the pardons. Any of them. His lack of awareness and will that would be on display will trump his June debate performance in showing in public how out of it he had been through retty much all of his term.

A house of cards just needs a few flicks of a finger to come crashing down.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 17, 2025 01:08 PM (xG4kz)

48 AiC notes this is not the case and no remedy exists.
Posted by: Piper at March 17, 2025 01:01 PM (pRpzT)

AiC?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 17, 2025 01:08 PM (ExV1e)

49 *Trump voice* Sounds great, doesn't work!

Yes, Biden has NO IDEA what pardons were autopenned in his name.

The unfortunate reality is that it doesn't matter.

The Dread Coward Roberts WILL NOT rule that these pardons were invalid, because it invites a challenge for every single order Biden has ever signed, and they simply aren't going to do that.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at March 17, 2025 01:08 PM (setIA)

50 Sean Davis
@seanmdav
Jake Tapper, who a jury declared to be fake news, didn't say a word when Biden claimed to unilaterally amend the Constitution via a tweet.

it wasn't biden who did that

Posted by: autopen at March 17, 2025 01:08 PM (oY6Yp)

51 Ok, so when are we gonna see Hunter getting perp-walked in his PJs?
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at March 17, 2025 01:05 PM (2VMYz)

He fled to South Africa.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 17, 2025 01:08 PM (Zz0t1)

52 It moved.

Really it's been moving for two months now.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 17, 2025 01:08 PM (7s0sL)

53 Start with the handful of pardons that were "signed" with the Autopen, which included a date and said that they were signed in Washington, on days when Biden wasn't even in Washington.

Exactly. At least some of those pardons, the president wasn't even in Washington DC, and its extremely difficult to defend the idea that he can issue stuff in a place he isn't.

Its pretty clear that Biden was not in any way mentally capable of doing his job, and this is a very critical part of the job. If he can be shown to be at least some times mentally deficient or unable to function properly, ALL THE STUFF HE SIGNED is in question.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:08 PM (2VST1)

54 Right after the Epstein client list is released.

Ooof.

Yeah, I've already made peace with the fact that the Epstein client list is going to be a big ol' nothingburger, as far as the DoJ is concerned.

Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at March 17, 2025 01:08 PM (2VMYz)

55 26 Ok, so when are we gonna see Hunter getting perp-walked in his PJs?
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at March 17, 2025 01:05 PM (2VMYz)

Maybe when he and his 18 man SS detail gets back to the US

Posted by: long night...lifted at March 17, 2025 01:09 PM (2NXcZ)

56 But, as with the king, the KING must issue it. Not the King's Hand without the King's knowledge.

And that's what some aid did. Not even the VP, but the Groom of the Stool.
Posted by: rickb223

At least then they held the decrepid King's hand and made squiggles.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 17, 2025 01:09 PM (zay7X)

57 Remember when Joe was "signing" documents less than two hours after being appointed president and let it slip that he didn't know what he was signing?

https://tinyurl.com/srpmxzwc

I'm betting he gave the game away before the first day was over.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Solve sexual compatibility problems by not being whores at March 17, 2025 01:09 PM (iv5Pb)

58 41 Why does the autopen exist to begin with if not for fraud?

To sign form letters, form proclamations, and other Presidential ephemera.

Not for legal documents.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 17, 2025 01:07 PM (xTIDn)

=======

If it's not worthy of a president's time, then it's not worthy of a presidential signature.

Autopens should be outright illegal on government documents.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 17, 2025 01:09 PM (GBKbO)

59 Jake is accepting the premise then trying to say after the fact.

House of pardons seems to be built on sand.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 17, 2025 01:09 PM (tT6L1)

60
AiC?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 17, 2025 01:08 PM (ExV1e)

Alice in Chains?

Posted by: Allison Chains at March 17, 2025 01:09 PM (z+ik4)

61 36 It will probably be struck down by the SCOTUS with Roberts and Barrett siding with the 3 Leftists.

it's a tax! *thwack of a gavel*

Posted by: roberts at March 17, 2025 01:09 PM (oY6Yp)

62
Isn't this going to be awkward for Jake? He's writing the "eye-opening," "now-it-can-be-told," tell-all book about Biden's mental incapacity and the puppet masters who actually presided during his term.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at March 17, 2025 01:09 PM (lCaJd)

63 48 AiC notes this is not the case and no remedy exists.
Posted by: Piper at March 17, 2025 01:01 PM (pRpzT)

AiC?
Posted by: I used to have a different

That I is suppose to be a T. Sigh. So Alex the Chic.

Posted by: Piper at March 17, 2025 01:09 PM (pRpzT)

64 The autopen is not the issue, is it?

It's the fact that the acting president was unaware of what was being done with the power of his office.

If they put a pen in Biden's actual hand during post-ice-cream nap time and dragged the papers under it, it would be the same thing. If they put a carbon on top of it saying "I hereby do declare that I like tig ol' biddies and Firebirds, Sincerely, _____" on top of it and got him to sign, it would be the same thing.

The autopen is not the issue. The Presidency itself and the validity of the shit they used the thing on is the issue.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 17, 2025 01:09 PM (VoAdT)

65 Willowed:

Fun fact: arch-Federalist John Adams wanted the judges to wear powdered wigs to make them more gay like in the old country. He was shut down.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 17, 2025 01:09 PM (BI5O2)

66 Trump didn't make these unsigned phony pardons void. They were born void because Biden didn't sign them.

Posted by: Ace at 01:00 PM

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How many Congressional Acts and Executive Orders were signed by Autopen?

Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 17, 2025 01:09 PM (bFfr9)

67 Alex the chick, who for some reason has me blocked on X (I never did anything to you, why???) is on a tear saying this will never work and Trump can't do this.
I think it's worth having the fight just to bring this issue to all of the LIV's attention.

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 17, 2025 01:10 PM (uWKK8)

68 In fact, he's asserting that only the president has the power to pardon, and these pardons were never signed by Biden, and therefore never had any effect from the moment they were presented to public.

The bald truth is the EVERY SINGLE THING DONE DURING THE ENTIRE "BIDEN" ADMINISTRATION WAS IN FACT ENACTED BY HIS COMMIE HANDLERS.

The last four years were a coup d'etat, an Unannounced Communist Revolution.

Posted by: zombie at March 17, 2025 01:10 PM (pMi6S)

69 Another flood of diarrhea for the Potomac.

Posted by: eleven at March 17, 2025 01:10 PM (0HaGk)

70 The lawyers in DC must be billing twenty hours a day on consults alone.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at March 17, 2025 01:10 PM (pIfcn)

71 > an assertion of a power the Constitution does not bestow.
---

that's not entirely accurate
it's a 'power' the Constitution is 'silent' on, meaning the Constitution makes no mention of a situation when or if a President can nullify a Presidential pardon

Posted by: Don Black. Message: pardon me at March 17, 2025 01:10 PM (AOsQT)

72 Step off, AutoPen, I'm working this corner.

Posted by: TelePromptr at March 17, 2025 01:10 PM (Aqu9a)

73 This never-ending stream of bombs The Big Donald is chucking into the Donk's kleptocracy makes me believe he has a daily subscription to Acme Industries, and has worked out the fuse issues Wile E. had so many problems with.

And now we can stop calling schmendricks like Adam Schiff 'pardoned criminal Schiff' and switch to 'allegedly pardoned criminal Schiff'

Posted by: William F. 'Buck' Dharma at March 17, 2025 01:10 PM (Ft5W9)

74 What about Ruth Bader Meinhoff Ginsburg's Autopen?

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 17, 2025 01:10 PM (MLvzu)

75 54 Right after the Epstein client list is released.

Ooof.

Yeah, I've already made peace with the fact that the Epstein client list is going to be a big ol' nothingburger, as far as the DoJ is concerned.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at March 17, 2025 01:08 PM (2VMYz)

=======

The client list (assuming a list existed to begin with) was probably burned by the CIA and the FBI when they took over Epstein's island. The SDNY probably never had more than documents related to individual complaints from individual girls.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 17, 2025 01:10 PM (GBKbO)

76
We don't elect a person to the Presidency just to have them shuffle off to the sidelines and then their staff conducts a four year game of "Who's Presidentin' Today?"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 17, 2025 01:10 PM (xG4kz)

77 Puddin cups all around barkeep!

Posted by: I'm Gumby Dmn It! at March 17, 2025 01:10 PM (37aB+)

78 This is the perfect moment for the all-caps commenter to explain that Fake Jake Tapper created the predicate for DJT's autopen EO.

Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2025 01:10 PM (rj6Yv)

79 Can they fingerprint these documents, because I bet you won't find a single one of Biden's fingerprints even on them.

Also, a President can't give power of attorney type privileges to some staffer.

Truthfully, I doubt this goes anywhere, I don't see the SC voiding these. They'll say Biden could have said they were void afterwards and by not doing that, he accepted them as if he had signed them.

But any sort of probate/estate law court would probably said they were forged signatures.

Posted by: Leupold at March 17, 2025 01:10 PM (4pwAx)

80 I love this and the previous thread

TRUMP SMASH

Posted by: vmom deport deport deporte at March 17, 2025 01:10 PM (OTdqV)

81 How is this going to be proven?

So the courts are going to rule on the validity of an auto-pen signature, and whether it is valid if the president is in the room, or in the building, or in the state when the document was signed?

How many angels can dance on the head of a pin, indeed!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 17, 2025 01:11 PM (L5An7)

82 How many Congressional Acts and Executive Orders were signed by Autopen?
Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 17, 2025 01:09 PM (bFfr9)

One so far they found to be legit was the one where he quit his candidacy. The rest are suspect.

Posted by: Roy at March 17, 2025 01:11 PM (z+ik4)

83
https://tinyurl.com/srpmxzwc

I'm betting he gave the game away before the first day was over.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Solve sexual compatibility problems by not being whores at March 17, 2025 01:09 PM (iv5Pb)

LOL. Next video up: "Why Trump SUCKS as President" by Robert Reich

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 17, 2025 01:11 PM (Zz0t1)

84 Remember biden's "stutter" that Fake News told us he had all his life and "everyone" knew about it since, like, forever?

Posted by: Soothsayer at March 17, 2025 01:05 PM (9RB1C)

I have libs telling me now that everyone knew he had dementia all along too.

Posted by: ... at March 17, 2025 01:11 PM (lX8VI)

85 Ruh roh, Raggy !

Posted by: Schiffy Doo at March 17, 2025 01:11 PM (7Q0e+)

86 Jake Tapper’s nose is so big, he can smoke a cigar in a rainstorm.

Posted by: Cray Cray at March 17, 2025 01:11 PM (5XE4M)

87 25 If I don't sign a check it's a forgery.

'cept for bill pay checks that say "signature on file"

Posted by: anachronda at March 17, 2025 01:11 PM (oY6Yp)

88
Wouldn't THIS be a good time for PDT to squeeze that little zelensky again and order him to deliver the ukraine dirt on biden?

Posted by: Soothsayer at March 17, 2025 01:11 PM (9RB1C)

89 AiC notes this is not the case and no remedy exists.
Posted by: Piper at March 17, 2025 01:01 PM (pRpzT)

AiC?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic

I & O are next to each other on the keyboard. I'm betting typo.

Lord, forgive my typos as I forgive those that typo against me.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 17, 2025 01:11 PM (BLpWt)

90 "Earlier on Sunday evening, Trump told reporters on Air Force One that the decision on whether the pardons would stand would be up to a court."

Oh, he said that? So this is not a constitutional crises? Well, we're going to ignore that he said that and go with our own narrative.

-- left wing media

Posted by: one hour sober at March 17, 2025 01:11 PM (Y1sOo)

91 Well, Obama had the TOTUS, so Biden had to one-up him with the AOTUS.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 17, 2025 01:11 PM (W/lyH)

92 I think the original reasoning was "John Adams wants the wigs because he thinks the judges aren't gay enough. But nothing is gayer than a judge or ever will be. These wigs are like sending coals to Newcastle.

Totally superfluous, REQUEST DENIED."

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 17, 2025 01:11 PM (BI5O2)

93 Another concern is that an analysis claims that nearly everything Biden signed, all those executive orders except a very few (like, Hunter's pardon, and one other) were signed by Autopen.

Except... does anyone remember this scene? They are televising him signing historic first documents and he clearly says "I don't know what I'm signing here" This was in January of 2021. LONG before the Hunter Biden pardons. What, exactly was he signing and doing there, if the Autopen was signing everything?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:11 PM (2VST1)

94 Seriously, it sucks because the defense is/will be that if there were issues they should have been brought up as grounds for impeachment.

Sigh.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 17, 2025 01:12 PM (7s0sL)

95 The bald truth is the EVERY SINGLE THING DONE DURING THE ENTIRE "BIDEN" ADMINISTRATION WAS IN FACT ENACTED BY HIS COMMIE HANDLERS.

The last four years were a coup d'etat, an Unannounced Communist Revolution.
Posted by: zombie at March 17, 2025 01:10 PM (pMi6S)
>>

AKA Barry's third term.

Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2025 01:12 PM (rj6Yv)

96 The last 4 years comprised the "Weekend at Bernie's" presidency.

Posted by: Crusader at March 17, 2025 01:12 PM (TN0g+)

97 screw that up, I did

Posted by: one hour sober at March 17, 2025 01:12 PM (Y1sOo)

98 The autopen is not the issue, is it?

Actually it is - whether the President can delegate his Constitutional powers to some aide with a piece of machinery.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 17, 2025 01:12 PM (xTIDn)

99 When this gets shot down, Trump should pardon ALL Americans from any Tax Crimes that occurred from the Founding going forward to Today.

Then, he should pardon ALL Americans who ran afoul of Federal Gun Laws that violate the 2nd Amendment.

...Found Guilty of a Hate Crime in the past?
Well, have I got good news for you!

Let's have some fun this.

Posted by: garrett at March 17, 2025 01:12 PM (npXNI)

100 Fun fact: arch-Federalist John Adams wanted the judges to wear powdered wigs to make them more gay like in the old country. He was shut down.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 17, 2025 01:09 PM (BI5O2)

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At least they still don't wear gay robes.

Wait, wut?

Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 17, 2025 01:12 PM (bFfr9)

101 The points made by AiC are frustrating, but make sense.

I'm missing context. Who or what is AiC?

Posted by: Oddbob at March 17, 2025 01:12 PM (/y8xj)

102 >>No wonder Hunter is hiding out in South Africa.

Posted by: Kestrel.987 at March 17, 2025 01:07 PM

If I were a white person, which I am, that's the last place I would hide. His wife is from there, so she should know better.

Posted by: huerfano at March 17, 2025 01:13 PM (n2swS)

103 The Autopen is mightier than the sword.

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 17, 2025 01:13 PM (MLvzu)

104 79 Can they fingerprint these documents, because I bet you won't find a single one of Biden's fingerprints even on them.

Also, a President can't give power of attorney type privileges to some staffer.

the big question is whether there's a buick somewhere that has a trunk full of "misplaced" pardons, similar to the "misplaced" ballots that keep showing up.

Posted by: anachronda at March 17, 2025 01:13 PM (oY6Yp)

105 102 >>No wonder Hunter is hiding out in South Africa.

Posted by: Kestrel.987 at March 17, 2025 01:07 PM

If I were a white person, which I am, that's the last place I would hide. His wife is from there, so she should know better.
Posted by: huerfano at March 17, 2025 01:13 PM (n2swS)

I bet he stays there...

Posted by: It's me donna at March 17, 2025 01:13 PM (VE6XX)

106 The remedy is simple. Just call Biden to the stand and have him go over each of the pardons and explain why each was granted.

Posted by: Walsingham at March 17, 2025 01:13 PM (vpwkZ)

107
I'm missing context. Who or what is AiC?
Posted by: Oddbob at March 17, 2025 01:12 PM (/y8xj)

A typo.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 17, 2025 01:13 PM (Zz0t1)

108 This is probably a stretch, but I also don't give a shit. I hope Donnie Two Scoops keeps throwing legal Molotov cocktails into the giant dumpster of corruption that is the entire Democrat Government Complex.

Posted by: ballistic at March 17, 2025 01:13 PM (aZOqv)

109 Companion piece noted by our own enthusiast of alternative inebriants. At the Blaze, because of course he is attracted to THAT.

Here's some actual journalism you might find interesting. Apparently, The Blaze has an exclusive about the people who were behind the violence on Jan. 6th and you probably won't be surprised that it leads back to Pelosi.

This is the first installment.

https://tinyurl.com/bds73yya

Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2025 11:34 AM (LkLld)

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 17, 2025 01:14 PM (i24o9)

110 How is this going to be proven?

So the courts are going to rule on the validity of an auto-pen signature, and whether it is valid if the president is in the room, or in the building, or in the state when the document was signed?

How many angels can dance on the head of a pin, indeed!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Obviously everybody will just lie.

If it really goes anywhere, Biden signs a statement that he did direct the autopen signatures. Case closed.

It's not like the courts will really entertain a bunch of evidence. And everyone knows Biden had no clue what was happening, but there's no mechanism to basically retract a Presidency.

Posted by: Leupold at March 17, 2025 01:14 PM (4pwAx)

111 It's the fact that the acting president was unaware of what was being done with the power of his office.

Correct. The Autopen has been used for official presidential stuff for decades now, without question or concern. Use of the Autopen is not in question here. Its whether or not Biden was even aware what was being done or legally competent to do so.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:14 PM (2VST1)

112
Let's see the Hur tapes. Or have they been destroyed?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at March 17, 2025 01:14 PM (lCaJd)

113 Alex the chick, who for some reason has me blocked on X (I never did anything to you, why???) is on a tear saying this will never work and Trump can't do this.
I think it's worth having the fight just to bring this issue to all of the LIV's attention.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 17, 2025 01:10 PM (uWKK

I have a lot of respect for ATC, but I wonder if they can link even one payment/favor to any pardon, if then it is really and truly void?

Posted by: Diogenes at March 17, 2025 01:14 PM (W/lyH)

114 101 The points made by AiC are frustrating, but make sense.

I'm missing context. Who or what is AiC?
Posted by: Oddbob at March 17

A stupid typo. AtC. Alex the Chic.

Posted by: Piper at March 17, 2025 01:14 PM (QzINz)

115 >>Alex the chick, who for some reason has me blocked on X (I never did anything to you, why???) is on a tear saying this will never work and Trump can't do this.

She might be small enough to fit inside a Kinder Egg...but she is not wrong.

Posted by: garrett at March 17, 2025 01:14 PM (npXNI)

116 Belay that order!
Posted by: Cpt DJ "Tiberius" Trump at March 17, 2025 01:07 PM (bhV/D)

Belay that belay!!

Posted by: Cpt Jack Sparrow at March 17, 2025 01:14 PM (Aqu9a)

117 I'm going with the theory that this is an obvious gambit to smoke Sleepy Joe Biden out of retirement to justify himself before the nation and history.

If he shows up and starts spouting, there will be plenty of fodder for mockery, no doubt about that.

If he DOESN'T show up, well, that will be pointed out as being very interesting.

Joey Bye-Bye loses either way. Works for me!

Posted by: William F. 'Buck' Dharma at March 17, 2025 01:14 PM (Ft5W9)

118 saying this will never work and Trump can't do this.

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Seems easy enough, same as Pennsylvania in the 2020 election.

Ignore them. Tough luck, courts. You are impotent now.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Solve sexual compatibility problems by not being whores at March 17, 2025 01:14 PM (iv5Pb)

119 AOC Donkeyshow?

Posted by: Boss Moss at March 17, 2025 01:14 PM (MLvzu)

120 Can Trump remove Hunter's SS team. 18 men went to SA with him. And are DIL's and grandchildren eligible? This needs changing.

Posted by: long night...lifted at March 17, 2025 01:15 PM (2NXcZ)

121 If I were a white person, which I am, that's the last place I would hide. His wife is from there, so she should know better.

Some places in South Africa are a lot safer than others.

It's not like Hunter is in Soweto, or on an isolated white farm.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 17, 2025 01:15 PM (xTIDn)

122
Yeah, I've already made peace with the fact that the Epstein client list is going to be a big ol' nothingburger, as far as the DoJ is concerned.
Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at March 17, 2025 01:08 PM

I'm betting the JFK files will be the same. I doubt the corrupt actors kept their TPS Reports in the file.

Posted by: CaliGirl at March 17, 2025 01:15 PM (IFJVl)

123 >>>If I were a white person, which I am, that's the last place I would hide. His wife is from there, so she should know better.
Posted by: huerfano
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Are they planning to martyr him?

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at March 17, 2025 01:15 PM (LdsRU)

124 >>No wonder Hunter is hiding out in South Africa.

Posted by: Kestrel.987 at March 17, 2025 01:07 PM

If I were a white person, which I am, that's the last place I would hide. His wife is from there, so she should know better.
Posted by: huerfano at March 17, 2025 01:13 PM (n2swS)

He's planning his escape to his next destination - North Sentinel Island. He keeps hearing how the dinners there are to die for.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 17, 2025 01:15 PM (VNX3d)

125 Seriously, it sucks because the defense is/will be that if there were issues they should have been brought up as grounds for impeachment.

No, because they are not accusing the president of high crimes and misdemeanors. They're not accusing the president of anything. They are questioning the validity of documents that someone signed.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:15 PM (2VST1)

126 Note that he specifically calls out Pelosi's unselect committee here.

Nanzi's gonna have her tits in the wringer.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 17, 2025 01:15 PM (i24o9)

127 Belay that order!
Posted by: Cpt DJ "Tiberius" Trump at March 17, 2025 01:07 PM (bhV/D)

Belay that belay!!
Posted by: Cpt Jack Sparrow at March 17, 2025 01:14 PM (Aqu9a)

But you will belay me first.....

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 17, 2025 01:15 PM (Zz0t1)

128 Cool. Now start arresting motherfuckers.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at March 17, 2025 01:16 PM (eZwyX)

129 Jake Tapper, isn't he the guy who wrote a book about Biden's mental state in the summer of the election? And correct me if I am wrong didn't the pardons happen after he dropped out/lost?

Posted by: Picric at March 17, 2025 01:16 PM (13tTk)

130 Captain James T. Kirk, "if you are innocent why do you need a pardon?"

The one controlling access to Joey was probably Jill. Which means she was playing with his autopen. That is the best case.

Worse case? It was an active conspiracy.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 17, 2025 01:16 PM (b1S6W)

131 She might be small enough to fit inside a Kinder Egg...but she is not wrong.
Posted by: garrett at March 17, 2025 01:14 PM (npXNI)

So forged signatures are cool?

Posted by: long night...lifted at March 17, 2025 01:16 PM (2NXcZ)

132 It makes no difference at all if this "works" in the courts as a legal maneuver. The victory condition is not somehow to win in court at all costs. The victory condition is to win *against* the courts. To hell with their rulings and orders and lawless nonsense. Win in the court of public opinion, and in the realm of what is real and tangible and actually happening on Earth. Demonstrate that the power of the government truly devolves from the will of the governed, and they only get to keep that power so long as they wield it at least somewhat responsibly.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 17, 2025 01:16 PM (VoAdT)

133 If there's no juice in the JFK files we'll know the fix is in.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at March 17, 2025 01:16 PM (LdsRU)

134 If it makes the left unhappy then I support it.

Posted by: Weasel at March 17, 2025 01:16 PM (b++6H)

135 I love it. But how is Trump declaring the pardons void because they were signed with autopen any different than Trump declaring that every fucking thing Biden ever did by autopen is also void? Or is this the test run for exactly that argument?

Posted by: Elric Blade at March 17, 2025 01:16 PM (iFTx/)

136 85 Ruh roh, Raggy !
Posted by: Schiffy Doo at March 17, 2025 01:11 PM (7Q0e+)

Schiff ought to be celebrating this since he didn't want his pardon in the first place.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at March 17, 2025 01:16 PM (GD2xa)

137 131 She might be small enough to fit inside a Kinder Egg...but she is not wrong.
Posted by: garrett at March 17, 2025 01:14 PM (npXNI)

So forged signatures are cool?
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 17, 2025 01:16 PM (2NXcZ)

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Saying "there's no remedy" is not the same as "it's all fine".

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 17, 2025 01:16 PM (GBKbO)

138
Nanzi's gonna have her tits in the wringer.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 17, 2025 01:15 PM (i24o9)

I think they've already been in there a few times........

https://is.gd/QjpgLG

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 17, 2025 01:16 PM (Zz0t1)

139 The Autopen has been used for official presidential stuff for decades now, without question or concern.

Presidents didn't sign bills with it before Obama, and even he only did that rarely.

It had been previously used to sign nice letters to eight-year-olds who wrote the White House.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 17, 2025 01:17 PM (xTIDn)

140 I agree that the president cannot simply declare pardons invalid. But... to enforce or prove that it has to go to court and that's exactly what Trump is trying to do: force this to court. He wants the courts to have to rule on this and in doing so, rule on Biden's mental capacity.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:17 PM (2VST1)

141 >>>He's planning his escape to his next destination - North Sentinel Island. He keeps hearing how the dinners there are to die for.

St Helena is nice this time of year.

Posted by: Napolean Bonaparte at March 17, 2025 01:17 PM (CwhoI)

142 He's already backed down to saying it's not his decision, it's a court's. Sure got his MAGAts stirred up, though. All of a sudden everyone's an expert on legal use of autopens and the like.

He does not have the power to do that. Former presidents may have entertained the idea but were sane and intelligent enough not to try. He's truly insane. For God sake's cholesterol, get on with it...

I thought this kind of shit wouldn't happen if Governement stayed open? Just the NEW beginning of what WILL happen with Government open. Republicans still laughing at the gang of TEN that got em' over the finish line last week.

Distraction from the looming economic collapse. The news is not good and he knows it.

Biden already formally announced the blinking pardons in front of the press at the time! He's even on camera signing at least some if not all of the documents they're disputing!

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 17, 2025 01:17 PM (JCZqz)

143 >> Why does the autopen exist to begin with if not for fraud?

It was used for signing all the reams of non-official crap a president must sign. Stuff like, oh, a signed note congratulating Mrs. Gladys Kravitz on her Lifetime Achievement Award from the Lady's Auxiliary of the Podunk Rotary Club and shit of that nature.

Barky Obama was the first to actually use it to sign some official presidential power exercise thing -- signing the renewal act for the FISA court law, IIRC. W. Bush had considered using it and had some legal counsel opinion drawn up (which was not really definitive, sort a define maybe), but never actually did it.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at March 17, 2025 01:17 PM (w6EFb)

144 I'm not a lawyer, not even on TV, so this is all amateur speculation.

I think SCOTUS will be absolutely terrified to touch this, so they'll say it's all kosher, if it comes to that.

One other possibility, is they'll drag Joe's decrepit old ass out and he'll make a blanket statement that every single use of the autopen was done with his express permission and full knowledge.

I doubt anything further will come of it. But who knows? I'm glad Trump is willing to push this issue. It goes to the heart of the main scandal of the biden presidency; that he was never in charge of anything.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 17, 2025 01:17 PM (lIio7)

145 Alex the chick, who for some reason has me blocked on X (I never did anything to you, why???) is on a tear saying this will never work and Trump can't do this.

That may be the outcome but the argument that the pardons were never valid because they weren't issued by the person authorized to issue them is pretty compelling. If anything which bears the likeness of the President's signature is official then there's no point in pretending we have a President.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 17, 2025 01:17 PM (ExV1e)

146 The bald truth is the EVERY SINGLE THING DONE DURING THE ENTIRE "BIDEN" ADMINISTRATION WAS IN FACT ENACTED BY HIS COMMIE HANDLERS.

The last four years were a coup d'etat, an Unannounced Communist Revolution.
Posted by: zombie at March 17, 2025 01:10 PM (pMi6S)
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That's exactly my take and I believe that's where the real Constitutional crisis is.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 17, 2025 01:17 PM (tT6L1)

147 >>Alex the chick, who for some reason has me blocked on X

No idea who that is. Should I?

Posted by: one hour sober at March 17, 2025 01:17 PM (Y1sOo)

148 If nothing else, it just shines a light on Biden and reminds everyone why we are in the mess we are right now and Trump is fixing it.

I would say I'm 99.999% sure no court voids any of this. The autopen is a "thing" and it would take Biden testifying against himself to really void anything, which is not gong to happen.

Posted by: Leupold at March 17, 2025 01:17 PM (4pwAx)

149 LATE to the game and wow, I haven't seen Ace throw the flaming skull in a minute...........

Posted by: zooomzooom at March 17, 2025 01:17 PM (ny+Rj)

150 120 Can Trump remove Hunter's SS team. 18 men went to SA with him. And are DIL's and grandchildren eligible? This needs changing.
Posted by: long night...lifted at March

Kids over 18 are supposed to keep security for 6 months. Biden, or his auto pen, did an EO on the way out the door giving it to Hunter indefinitely.

So if you are wondering who is behind the auto pen and everything else, this is a big clue.

Posted by: Piper at March 17, 2025 01:17 PM (QzINz)

151 142 Biden already formally announced the blinking pardons in front of the press at the time! He's even on camera signing at least some if not all of the documents they're disputing!
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 17, 2025 01:17 PM (JCZqz)

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Oh, really? They think the last second pardons, released an hour before the inauguration, were done on camera?

I'd be interested if they could find this footage.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 17, 2025 01:18 PM (GBKbO)

152 He's planning his escape to his next destination - North Sentinel Island. He keeps hearing how the dinners there are to die for.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf

ISWYDT.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 17, 2025 01:18 PM (BLpWt)

153 I hear the country of Vietnam doesn't have an extradition treaty with the US.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 17, 2025 01:18 PM (b1S6W)

154 Afternoon ace and Horde.
Here's a thought. The use of the autopen is a way to get Biden's mental state in the public forum. Do you think it's possible that Trump and the White House staff have access to Biden's medical records? What if there is something vin there, say his 2022 physical , which demonstrated he was note mentally aware enough to be president? Drop that bomb when a court questions the EO and watch the sparks fly

Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 17, 2025 01:18 PM (bVN1m)

155 140 I agree that the president cannot simply declare pardons invalid. But... to enforce or prove that it has to go to court and that's exactly what Trump is trying to do: force this to court. He wants the courts to have to rule on this and in doing so, rule on Biden's mental capacity.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:17 PM (2VST1)

Democrats declared immigration law to be invalid.

Posted by: long night...lifted at March 17, 2025 01:18 PM (2NXcZ)

156 Wait, aren't we seeing the remedy playing out as we speak, similar to the illegals being deported?

All we have to do is have the autopen removed. Pass a law if needed.

Sign it with the autopen just to make fun of the SCOTUS.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Solve sexual compatibility problems by not being whores at March 17, 2025 01:18 PM (iv5Pb)

157 AKA Barry's third term.

Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2025 01:12 PM (rj6Yv)

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Arguably DogEater's fourth term -- given that the Deep State loyal to him fought against Trump's first term every step of the way and whose Junta committed a soft coup against him in 2020.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 17, 2025 01:18 PM (oa6zk)

158 Make the people on the receiving end spend resources to make the argument that they should receive the pardon for, uh, whatever it is that they did to need the pardon.

I like this, even if Trump (really the American people) ends up losing on this point.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 17, 2025 01:18 PM (/LQYr)

159 Auuuuttttooooooowaaaasshhhh

Posted by: Leeloo Dallas at March 17, 2025 01:18 PM (hirWM)

160 That I is suppose to be a T. Sigh. So Alex the Chic.
Posted by: Piper at March 17, 2025 01:09 PM

Can anyone who actually knows AtC's fashion sense give us a ruling on this one?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 17, 2025 01:18 PM (hOk1M)

161 Who is Behind This Autopen? Six Criminals Were Pardoned with Biden Autopen – *Signed in the City of Washington* – On Same Day Joe Biden Vacationed and Golfed in St. Croix

Biden sources suspect key aide may have abused autopen as Trump’s ‘far more restrictive’ signing rules revealed

Is This the Key Aide Behind Biden Autopen Pardons? Biden White House Staff Secretary Lashes Out at Trump For Declaring Biden’s Autopen Pardons “Void”
https://tinyurl.com/r5mjw6k4

Posted by: I'm Gumby Dmn It! at March 17, 2025 01:18 PM (37aB+)

162 It's not the nature of the evidence it's the seriousness of the crime...Or in this case It's the seriousness of the evidence and the nature of the crime

Posted by: It's me donna at March 17, 2025 01:18 PM (VE6XX)

163 >>So forged signatures are cool?

Show me the proof it was forged. As of now, that is merely an allegation.

And, btw...good luck doing that.

You are trying to overturn an explicitly enumerated Plenary Power.
That is not an easy recipe.

Posted by: garrett at March 17, 2025 01:18 PM (npXNI)

164 112 Let's see the Hur tapes. Or have they been destroyed?

destruction status:
[_] ain't ben
[x] ben

Posted by: anachronda at March 17, 2025 01:19 PM (oY6Yp)

165 Demonstrate that the power of the government truly devolves from the will of the governed, and they only get to keep that power so long as they wield it at least somewhat responsibly.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 17, 2025 01:16 PM (VoAdT)

Absolutely. The judges know they are usurpers. If Trump starts making an issue of that on every front they try to form, they'll get scared and come to heel. Defying judges needs to be a default condition, regardless of the merits of an individual case. Rousing the public against the judges is deadly dangerous to them and they know it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 17, 2025 01:19 PM (BI5O2)

166 Biden already formally announced the blinking pardons in front of the press at the time! He's even on camera signing at least some if not all of the documents they're disputing!
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 17, 2025 01:17 PM (JCZqz)
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Joe already altered the Constituion via a tweet. I think it's safe to say Joe had no idea what day it was, let alone exactly what he was doing at any given moment.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 17, 2025 01:19 PM (tT6L1)

167
No idea who that is. Should I?
Posted by: one hour sober at March 17, 2025 01:17 PM (Y1sOo)

Meh.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 17, 2025 01:19 PM (Zz0t1)

168 Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 17, 2025 01:17 PM (ExV1e)

I say Trump just move ahead anyway. Fuck these people.

They don’t believe in the rule of law anyway unless it benefits them.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at March 17, 2025 01:19 PM (eZwyX)

169 166 Biden already formally announced the blinking pardons in front of the press at the time! He's even on camera signing at least some if not all of the documents they're disputing!
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 17, 2025 01:17 PM (JCZqz)
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Joe already altered the Constituion via a tweet. I think it's safe to say Joe had no idea what day it was, let alone exactly what he was doing at any given moment.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 17, 2025 01:19 PM (tT6L1)

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I want to see the footage of Biden signing Liz Cheney's pardon.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 17, 2025 01:19 PM (GBKbO)

170 I protest! That is OUR Acronym!

Posted by: Argentinian Itinerant Cobblers at March 17, 2025 01:19 PM (7Q0e+)

171 Trump didn't make these unsigned phony pardons void. They were born void because Biden didn't sign them.
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And I love how they rubbed the Dems noses further by claiming they have evidence that Joe wasn't competent to make the decision, and everyone knows its due to the FBI interview which indicated he wasn't fit to stand trial so no charges should be made against him regarding Hunter.

Posted by: Methos at March 17, 2025 01:20 PM (Dnobf)

172 That may be the outcome but the argument that the pardons were never valid because they weren't issued by the person authorized to issue them is pretty compelling. If anything which bears the likeness of the President's signature is official then there's no point in pretending we have a President.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic

Don't need no presdintin. Just let the Groom of the Stool sign everything.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 17, 2025 01:20 PM (BLpWt)

173 153 I hear the country of Vietnam doesn't have an extradition treaty with the US.

no yellow

Posted by: hunter at March 17, 2025 01:20 PM (oY6Yp)

174 The one controlling access to Joey was probably Jill. Which means she was playing with his autopen.

Some guys pay pretty good money for that kinda action.

Posted by: Robert Kraft at March 17, 2025 01:20 PM (Aqu9a)

175 James O'Keefe is the reason why we can't have nice things:

https://tinyurl.com/yck7eapw

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at March 17, 2025 01:20 PM (copfg)

176 Distraction from the looming economic collapse. The news is not good and he knows it.

They are clinging to that Wubby like Schroeder to his security blanket. Its comical as eggs and gas have dropped in price three weeks straight.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:20 PM (2VST1)

177 I dunno if there's anything to this pardon business but I do know this - it keeps the initiative by forcing the enemy to react to him.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at March 17, 2025 01:20 PM (CwhoI)

178 79 Can they fingerprint these documents, because I bet you won't find a single one of Biden's fingerprints even on them

Forensic Files has entered the chat

Posted by: I'm Gumby Dmn It! at March 17, 2025 01:20 PM (37aB+)

179
I suspect this is the Trump version of stray voltage.

Get all the leftards heads exploding over this, and do other more important stuff under the cover of their howling madness.

And if he happens to win...well, then great. If not...meh.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 17, 2025 01:20 PM (iJfKG)

180 172 Don't need no presdintin. Just let the Groom of the Stool sign everything.

with a brown crayon?

Posted by: anachronda at March 17, 2025 01:21 PM (oY6Yp)

181 "The Unselect Committee of Political Thugs"

lolol

I love this fkn guy!

Posted by: kallisto at March 17, 2025 01:21 PM (dCxaZ)

182 So the immediate answer from the Dems should be to drag out Biden to declare he did in fact sign them.

But Biden is a drooling vegetable so this should be interesting

Posted by: 18-1 at March 17, 2025 01:21 PM (t0Rmr)

183 AiC?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic

I & O are next to each other on the keyboard. I'm betting typo.

Lord, forgive my typos as I forgive those that typo against me.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 17, 2025 01:11 PM (BLpWt)

I & O are, I and T aren't. Still, Piper is nice so we shall forget this little mishap.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 17, 2025 01:21 PM (ExV1e)

184 What if a president was in and accident and unable to sign due to injuries... couldn't he use an auto-pen?

Posted by: redridinghood at March 17, 2025 01:21 PM (NpAcC)

185 no point in pretending we have a President.

That's what we've said..

Posted by: Federal Judges at March 17, 2025 01:21 PM (VE6XX)

186 If it makes the left unhappy then I support it.
Posted by: Weasel at March 17, 2025 01:16 PM

Weasel Johnson is right!

Posted by: RMBS Johnson at March 17, 2025 01:21 PM (hOk1M)

187 hahaha, that's a good point.

Trump is getting the left, and judges, to publicly applaud and endorse fraud and forgery by government officials.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Solve sexual compatibility problems by not being whores at March 17, 2025 01:21 PM (iv5Pb)

188 176 They are clinging to that Wubby like Schroeder to his security blanket. Its comical as eggs and gas have dropped in price three weeks straight.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:20 PM (2VST1)

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It's the stock market that they focus on mainly.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 17, 2025 01:21 PM (GBKbO)

189 100 Fun fact: arch-Federalist John Adams wanted the judges to wear powdered wigs to make them more gay like in the old country. He was shut down.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 17, 2025 01:09 PM (BI5O2)

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At least they still don't wear gay robes.

Wait, wut?
Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 17, 2025 01:12 PM (bFfr9)
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Insert "Old Glory" Hole joke here. (in about 20 seconds I'm to wish AOS had an edit feature for comments)

Posted by: Orson at March 17, 2025 01:21 PM (dIske)

190 By the way, we wouldn't be where we are if Congress and the GOP had done their job.

The massive amount of damage done to our government by Joe cannot be understated.

I don't think people realize just how far out of bounds the executive was the last 4 years, necessitating the drastic actions by President Trump.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 17, 2025 01:22 PM (tT6L1)

191 > The client list (assuming a list existed to begin with) was probably burned by the CIA and the FBI when they took over Epstein's island. The SDNY probably never had more than documents related to individual complaints from individual girls.

I don't think a "client list" ever existed. Epstein had a contact list which is very different. The "client list" is a red herring anyway. The really explosive material is the blackmail videos they made on the island. Those are deep inside vaults only a few people know about, and they will never come to light. They are being used to control mega-billionaires and politicians.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 17, 2025 01:22 PM (lIio7)

192 The one controlling access to Joey was probably Jill. Which means she was playing with his autopen.

A whistleblower claims that Hunter was basically running everything the last year at least. And we do have that one meeting on record where Biden showed up and said "my wife will run this meeting" and left.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:22 PM (2VST1)

193 Questions for the previous administration;

- Did *biden authorize the use of the autopen?
- If authorized, was it for specific legislation, EO's and/or pardons or was it a blanket authorization?
- Was the authorization, in any form, signed by the autopen?

Easy enough to answer. Prove? I doubt they can.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 17, 2025 01:22 PM (Q4IgG)

194 On the upside, it once again forces the Democrats to defend a guy whom they suddenly say is now as smart as a rutabaga.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 17, 2025 01:22 PM (b1S6W)

195 What if a president was in and accident and unable to sign due to injuries... couldn't he use an auto-pen?
Posted by: redridinghood at March 17, 2025 01:21 PM (NpAcC)

I'm guessing "of sound mind" and physically witnessing the use of autopen in his stead........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 17, 2025 01:22 PM (Zz0t1)

196 >>>Alex the chick, who for some reason has me blocked on X (I never did anything to you, why???) is on a tear saying this will never work and Trump can't do this.

Meh. I am inclined to let it ride.

As a refresher:

1. Trump says "crazy" stuff about ____.
C. People wet themselves going on and on about Trump saying "crazy" stuff about ____.
iv. Other people become informed about ____ and do their own research and learn more about ____.
OOOO. Profit!

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 17, 2025 01:23 PM (i24o9)

197 This must be why my AWFL coworker was late today, she was glued to the MessNBC

lolol

Posted by: kallisto at March 17, 2025 01:23 PM (dCxaZ)

198 This is going to be very interesting, honestly. The points made by AiC are frustrating, but make sense. I would love to see the other side - the side I like better- argued.
Posted by: Piper at March 17, 2025 01:03 PM (pRpzT)
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This is all no-man's land, brought about because we had a dementia patient in the WH who didn't know what planet he was on, let alone could make important, clear-headed decisions.

I sorta see AtC's points. She may be right. But let's consider a hypo where the President's VP desperately wants a pardon for Scumbag X. Pardon papers are draw up, but President refuses to sign them. So VP drugs up President, puts him to bed, and auto-pens a pardon for X. Nobody would claim that pardon is valid.

How different is this than what Trump is claiming now? He's claiming that Biden was too far gone to make any rational decisions about pardons, and his handlers just put him to bed and signed.

Posted by: Elric Blade at March 17, 2025 01:23 PM (iFTx/)

199 Wasn't he out of the country when some of these pardons were "signed"?

Posted by: long night...lifted at March 17, 2025 01:23 PM (2NXcZ)

200 I watched Weekend at Bernies 1-2 last week. First one holds up second one is cringe

Posted by: gKWVE at March 17, 2025 01:23 PM (gKWVE)

201 It's not going to matter unless/until the DOJ tries to indict someone covered by an autopen pardon, and the defendant moves to dismiss citing the pardon.
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis
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True.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 01:23 PM (ctrM5)

202 with a brown crayon?
Posted by: anachronda

No. Those are for the Marine's lunch.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 17, 2025 01:23 PM (BLpWt)

203 What if a president was in and accident and unable to sign due to injuries... couldn't he use an auto-pen?
Posted by: redridinghood at March 17, 2025 01:21 PM (NpAcC)

The assumption is that the auto pen is used in a secretarial role, like the "chops" Asian businesses typically give to accountants. Signing on behalf of the firm. But the orders to sign are supposed to come from the boss. Not the accountant.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 17, 2025 01:23 PM (BI5O2)

204 I gather that the manufacturer of the AutoPen is not the same company that makes ice cream machines for McDonalds.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 17, 2025 01:24 PM (Aqu9a)

205 Hunter hardest hit.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 17, 2025 01:24 PM (4tmpE)

206

https://scholarship.law.ufl.edu/cgi/
viewcontent.cgi?article=1115&context=jtlp

This is a pretty good discussion about autopens from a law Journal from 2012

Worth reading if interested. Most of the law is based on wills, where proxy signatures are not uncommon. It seems ****presence**** is a key factor. That is, the person has to be in the room when the signature is made. This may be a VERY big problem for Biden.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at March 17, 2025 01:24 PM (9E8yC)

207 Schroeder, security blanket?

Posted by: gKWVE at March 17, 2025 01:24 PM (gKWVE)

208 > James O'Keefe is the reason why we can't have nice things:

Link goes to a deleted post.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 17, 2025 01:24 PM (lIio7)

209 193 Questions for the previous administration;

- Did *biden authorize the use of the autopen?
- If authorized, was it for specific legislation, EO's and/or pardons or was it a blanket authorization?
- Was the authorization, in any form, signed by the autopen?

Easy enough to answer. Prove? I doubt they can.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 17, 2025 01:22 PM (Q4IgG)

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Middle ground SCOTUS ruling:

"We can't prove anything about Biden's signature or motive. However, going forward, in order to ensure Article II powers are faithfully executed, the president is not allowed to use the autopen to sign official government documents."
-0.4% chance of happening

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 17, 2025 01:24 PM (GBKbO)

210 The weight of AtC's opinion on this is exactly the same as mine as a layman: somewhere between jack and shit. But I do love that every lawyer fancies himself the Universal Expert and Indispensable Man.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at March 17, 2025 01:24 PM (FLFV/)

211 It's the stock market that they focus on mainly.

Yeah and its not doing great right now (although the drop was pretty minor). So while that holds I guess they can feel warm and fuzzy about it, but its not gonna. The Stock Market is totally detached from the economic reality and aways bounces around.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:24 PM (2VST1)

212 Afternoon ace and Horde.
Here's a thought. The use of the autopen is a way to get Biden's mental state in the public forum. Do you think it's possible that Trump and the White House staff have access to Biden's medical records? What if there is something vin there, say his 2022 physical , which demonstrated he was note mentally aware enough to be president? Drop that bomb when a court questions the EO and watch the sparks fly

Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 17, 2025 01:18 PM (bVN1m)

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Not to mention that Soiboi Deep State Special Counsel Robert Hur -- in writing -- concluded F. Joe was too mentally incompetent to stand trial for his many serial and treasonous crimes.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 17, 2025 01:24 PM (oa6zk)

213 On the upside, it once again forces the Democrats to defend a guy whom they suddenly say is now as smart as a rutabaga.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 17, 2025 01:22 PM (b1S6W)

AFTER having just recently come out in force saying "we were fooled" about FJB's competence.

The left loves the whipsaw.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 17, 2025 01:24 PM (i24o9)

214 Lock them up for crimes against the USA. Try them in GTMO.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at March 17, 2025 01:24 PM (/U5Yz)

215 The Dread Coward Roberts WILL NOT rule that these pardons were invalid, because it invites a challenge for every single order Biden has ever signed, and they simply aren't going to do that.
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Roberts doesn't even get a say until someone with a fake Biden-pardon is investigated, charged, and convicted, and can then claim 'I have a pardon which prevents me from being imprisoned".

So all those assholes can spend the rest of their lives with a sword hanging over their heads, even if the DoJ doesn't get around to pursuing them.

Posted by: Methos at March 17, 2025 01:24 PM (Dnobf)

216 Biden did a remarkable amount of pardons- more than any other president. And did not sign one?

Cui Bono?

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 17, 2025 01:25 PM (/x6eu)

217 Nicholas Fondacaro
@NickFondacaro

Without evidence, ABC's News moderator Whoopi Goldberg claims Trump is about to deport anyone who says something against him:
"If they can just come up and take somebody because they've made a decision that you're supposed to be that person, anyone of us could find ourselves being deported to some country we've never been."

She also claims, without evidence it's about "taking [away]...the constitutional right to free speech." She also falsely claims Republican speech has never been severely infringed upon.

https://tinyurl.com/5n7yy827

Posted by: redridinghood at March 17, 2025 01:25 PM (NpAcC)

218 53 Start with the handful of pardons that were "signed" with the Autopen, which included a date and said that they were signed in Washington, on days when Biden wasn't even in Washington.

Exactly. At least some of those pardons, the president wasn't even in Washington DC, and its extremely difficult to defend the idea that he can issue stuff in a place he isn't.

Its pretty clear that Biden was not in any way mentally capable of doing his job, and this is a very critical part of the job. If he can be shown to be at least some times mentally deficient or unable to function properly, ALL THE STUFF HE SIGNED is in question.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:08 PM (2VST1)

Didn't he pardon or commute like a million people... Honestly he couldn't even have reviewed them all much less signed them.

Posted by: Inogame at March 17, 2025 01:25 PM (53oGX)

219 183 I & O are, I and T aren't. Still, Piper is nice so we shall forget this little mishap.
Posted by: I used to have a different

You are pardoning me?I appreciate it. 😄 It was a dumb typo, I don’t have a great excuse or anything.

Posted by: Piper at March 17, 2025 01:25 PM (pRpzT)

220 >This is probably a stretch, but I also don't give a shit. I hope Donnie Two Scoops keeps throwing legal Molotov cocktails into the giant dumpster of corruption that is the entire Democrat Government Complex.
Posted by: ballistic at March 17, 2025 01:13 PM (aZOqv)

☝️

I doubt Cheeto Hitler expects to win this fight. This is, as the Purple-Lipped Homo called it, "stray voltage".

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at March 17, 2025 01:26 PM (FLFV/)

221 108 This is probably a stretch, but I also don't give a shit. I hope Donnie Two Scoops keeps throwing legal Molotov cocktails into the giant dumpster of corruption that is the entire Democrat Government Complex.
Posted by: ballistic at March 17, 2025 01:13 PM (aZOqv)

Trump the master of the media cycle..

Posted by: I'm Gumby Dmn It! at March 17, 2025 01:26 PM (37aB+)

222 Some Hawaii Judge will declare them legal

Posted by: Skip at March 17, 2025 01:26 PM (ER8Ca)

223
How different is this than what Trump is claiming now? He's claiming that Biden was too far gone to make any rational decisions about pardons, and his handlers just put him to bed and signed.
Posted by: Elric Blade at March 17, 2025 01:23 PM (iFTx/)

Preznit Garland was probably there.

Posted by: long night...lifted at March 17, 2025 01:26 PM (2NXcZ)

224 Ah the stock market… perhaps what we are seeing is the big multinationals freaking over the US getting screwed by foreign companies ( read- governments) being countered by Trump… these companies are NOT our friends… they are merely amoral entities…

Posted by: tubal at March 17, 2025 01:27 PM (PCK5/)

225
Here's another paper on the autopen usage:
https://tinyurl.com/28znq6zp

Again the question is using the Autopen for official, Article II power acts of the president. Using it to sign Christmas cards, and other trivial stuff is not an issue, it's actual official stuff, like pardons, signing bills, EOs, etc.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at March 17, 2025 01:27 PM (w6EFb)

226 I just voided my colon. Top that Trumpy!

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 17, 2025 01:27 PM (paSBy)

227 All their lying and cheating asses knew POTUS was going to make them pay for the shit they did to himin the court cases plus invading his and the First Lady's domicle. I do hope and pray the pardons can be voided. Unleash the hounds of hell on all of them.

Posted by: Joe at March 17, 2025 01:27 PM (Uy/WF)

228 No idea who that is. Should I?
Posted by: one hour sober at March 17, 2025 01:17 PM (Y1sOo)

You must be new here.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 17, 2025 01:27 PM (ExV1e)

229 "They were born void..."

"Void ab initio" is the proper legal term, Ace. It's Latin for "fails from the get-go!"

Posted by: CTHillary, dead but dreaming at March 17, 2025 01:28 PM (VXSVh)

230 James O'Keefe is the reason why we can't have nice things.

Link updated:

https://tinyurl.com/3f4zc7vy

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at March 17, 2025 01:28 PM (copfg)

231 What if a president was in and accident and unable to sign due to injuries... couldn't he use an auto-pen?
Posted by: redridinghood at March 17, 2025 01:21 PM (NpAcC)
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Yes he could. I think the issue isn't one of physical ability, but mental. See my comment above. The argument is that Biden was unable to make rational decisions about pardons and therefore someone else did. The pardon power is vested solely in the President, not his handlers.

The law is rife with instances where mental incapacity voids actions and consent. Contract signing, sexual relations, even marriage. Why should Presidential consent to pardons be any different? Maybe they should. As I said above, this is all no-man's land.

Posted by: Elric Blade at March 17, 2025 01:28 PM (iFTx/)

232 182
‘ But Biden is a drooling vegetable so this should be interesting’

The people who are saying the whole point of this is to get Biden’s mental incompetence in front of the people are right.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at March 17, 2025 01:28 PM (jbnUc)

233 Leavitt is the best WH Press Secretary I've ever heard. She's very knowledgable about the issues and she takes no shit.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2025 01:28 PM (LkLld)

234 I don't think the archives people will let forensics guys go over documents to see fingerprints, a process that is not kind to the paper. It would be good to see, though.

"We can't prove anything about Biden's signature or motive. However, going forward, in order to ensure Article II powers are faithfully executed, the president is not allowed to use the autopen to sign official government documents."
-0.4% chance of happening

Something of this sort is likely, I think. They won't overturn any pardons but they might push for codification of how official documents can be signed. If they are clever, Trump's team will bring up the menace of AI signing things and the entire "digital signature" thing might be unraveled.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:28 PM (2VST1)

235 196 >>>Alex the chick, who for some reason has me blocked on X (I never did anything to you, why???) is on a tear saying this will never work and Trump can't do this.

Meh. I am inclined to let it ride.

As a refresher:

1. Trump says "crazy" stuff about ____.
C. People wet themselves going on and on about Trump saying "crazy" stuff about ____.
iv. Other people become informed about ____ and do their own research and learn more about ____.
OOOO. Profit!
Posted by: Comrade Flounder
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Simply put, Trump can do this but whether a specific court agrees on a specific case where a pardoned person raises that issue for dismissal of charges is another. Generally speaking, con law scholars have assumed the pardon power is plenary for the Prezzie but the laws are silent as to whether a president, who is not mentally competent or even cannot be demonstrated to have actually signed/authorized the permit, can be demonstrated to have done so. I think personally Courts will shy away from the implications because that throws into question the entirety of the Biden junta and the legitimacy of laws passed, regulatory actions, etc. during those four years.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 01:28 PM (ctrM5)

236 Fun fact: arch-Federalist John Adams wanted the judges to wear powdered wigs to make them more gay like in the old country. He was shut down.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 17, 2025 01:09 PM (BI5O2)

Only a matter of time before some contemporary judge dons the black silk and sentences Trump to be taken to a place of execution and hanged by the neck until he is dead, dead, dead. I think Trump can reasonably be expected to ignore that one.

Posted by: Paco at March 17, 2025 01:28 PM (mADJX)

237 I will bet $5 that Roberts will sidestep the whole issue by saying “The 25th amendment exists, and no one used it, so tough nuggies”.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at March 17, 2025 01:28 PM (fwyhL)

238 It's funny that FJB hasn't had a comment so far.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at March 17, 2025 01:28 PM (/U5Yz)

239 She also claims, without evidence it's about "taking [away]...the constitutional right to free speech." She also falsely claims Republican speech has never been severely infringed upon.

https://tinyurl.com/5n7yy827
Posted by: redridinghood at March 17, 2025 01:25 PM (NpAcC)

Who cares what Caryn the high school drop out says?

Posted by: long night...lifted at March 17, 2025 01:28 PM (2NXcZ)

240 Incidentally, the fact that Trump put the word "pardons" in quotes tells you the position they are taking. You can't overturn a true pardon. But, if the pardon didn't exist in the first place (which is the position of the White House)....then there is nothing to overturn.

If nothing else, this is going to be a fun legal battle to watch, and it will deplete the personal savings of all the parties effected.

Posted by: Orson at March 17, 2025 01:28 PM (dIske)

241
Trump the master of the media cycle..
Posted by: I'm Gumby Dmn It! at March 17, 2025 01:26 PM (37aB+)

Meanwhile he's blowing up Hutti's and making Dems defend illegal gang members...

Posted by: Federal Judges at March 17, 2025 01:28 PM (VE6XX)

242 Speaking of failing to properly notify:

Darth Lloyd the Dollar General Idi Amin was found to have been in violation of his duties for secretly running away to the hospital and not telling the White House.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 17, 2025 01:29 PM (b1S6W)

243 What I'm surprised about is, the Dems haven't even tried to defend this.

They're just trying their best to ignore it.

And Trump keeps goading them.

Like, "guys, there's a small bag on fire on your porch--you better stomp it out!!"

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 17, 2025 01:29 PM (7oyRZ)

244 Fappity Fap Fap Fap

Posted by: Otto Pen - what thinks this party's starting at March 17, 2025 01:29 PM (sJHOI)

245 And everyone knows Biden had no clue what was happening, but there's no mechanism to basically retract a Presidency.
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There's no restriction against it either.

So just do it and dare them to do something about it.

Posted by: Methos at March 17, 2025 01:29 PM (Dnobf)

246 What's all this then?

Posted by: Zombie Mrs. Edith Wilson at March 17, 2025 01:30 PM (Aqu9a)

247 If a signature is defined as “a symbol that implies intent.” Then the defense to the current crisis is to prove the president acted with intent. How does that work if the president is in invalid?

Posted by: Corona exile-back_in_exile at March 17, 2025 01:30 PM (qHgX8)

248
judge just ordered the stock market to sell off; no more buying

Posted by: Soothsayer at March 17, 2025 01:30 PM (9RB1C)

249 It's funny that FJB hasn't had a comment so far.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at March 17, 2025 01:28 PM (/U5Yz

"Doctor" Jill has to put put a plan together, first.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 17, 2025 01:30 PM (4tmpE)

250 Even if it doesn't work, let the other side play defense and pay lawyers fees for a while.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at March 17, 2025 01:30 PM (5IFb9)

251 All their lying and cheating asses knew POTUS was going to make them pay for the shit they did to himin the court cases plus invading his and the First Lady's domicle.

Yeah I was concerned he was gonna do a Bush the younger thing and ignore the slights and vandalism out of comity or whatever. Trump is not letting this go, nor should he. This has to be scorched earth so nobody tries it again for a generation at least.

The thing is, signature law is really sketchy. You can sign anything you want, literally anything. As long as it was a mark intended to be your signature, its valid, even an "X".

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:30 PM (2VST1)

252 Again, President Trump set this pardon issue in motion by his very public signing of EO's.

Not only that, President Trump made sure to discuss what was being signed.

President Trump was setting precedent a month ago then brought down the hammer.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 17, 2025 01:30 PM (tT6L1)

253 James O'Keefe is the reason why we can't have nice things.

Link updated:

https://tinyurl.com/3f4zc7vy

I think that's friggin' hilarious.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 17, 2025 01:30 PM (/y8xj)

254 Meanwhile he's blowing up Hutti's and making Dems defend illegal gang members...
Posted by: Federal Judges at March 17, 2025 01:28 PM (VE6XX)

They flooded the country with illegal and demand they stay, and stay comfortably breeding, until they get a trial in 2028-30.

Posted by: long night...lifted at March 17, 2025 01:31 PM (2NXcZ)

255 The Trump Plan… Attack, attack, attack… unprecedented by our side… even some of us don’t know how to react to plain old naked aggression..

Posted by: tubal at March 17, 2025 01:31 PM (PCK5/)

256 Shorter version of Trump's claim the pardons are dogshit:

SQUIRREL!

Posted by: Elric Blade at March 17, 2025 01:31 PM (iFTx/)

257 I don't think this is about the use of the autopen.

I think it IS about whether *biden was aware of its use in his name and who that person(s) was. Opening that bag of worms is not going to be easy.

*biden's mental state is widely acknowledged. So....

Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 17, 2025 01:31 PM (Q4IgG)

258 So just do it and dare them to do something about it.

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Ah yes, the established extra-equal precedent established by Marbury vs Madison.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Solve sexual compatibility problems by not being whores at March 17, 2025 01:32 PM (iv5Pb)

259 255 The Trump Plan… Attack, attack, attack… unprecedented by our side… even some of us don’t know how to react to plain old naked aggression..
Posted by: tubal at March 17, 2025 01:31 PM (PCK5/)

But I'm loving it...

Posted by: It's me donna at March 17, 2025 01:32 PM (VE6XX)

260 Then the defense to the current crisis is to prove the president acted with intent. How does that work if the president is in invalid?

And I suspect that is the Trump strategy; to force them to defend Biden's competency and physical presence. Which should be... interesting.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:32 PM (2VST1)

261 The law is rife with instances where mental incapacity voids actions and consent. Contract signing, sexual relations, even marriage. Why should Presidential consent to pardons be any different? Maybe they should. As I said above, this is all no-man's land.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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See Fletcher v. Peck where Scotus upheld corrupt actions by a bribed GA legislature and governor to sell land to speculators who then passed those lands on. GA repudiated that legislature and governor via elections and repealed the act but Scotus held the titles to the land as good.

My guess is Scotus dodges defining competency and passes the hot potato to Congress and the Presidency as theoretically, the 25th Amendment has put that power into Congress and the Executive branch hands for specifically this instance. I think Scotus would simply point the finger at those people as responsible for this monstrous situation because the remedy for fixing the situation legally was avoided by those institutions.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 01:32 PM (ctrM5)

262 That reporter that hit Trump in the face with a microphone ended up being an NPR reporter who's a rabid transgender activist.

I'm sure it was an accident.

Posted by: Leupold at March 17, 2025 01:32 PM (4pwAx)

263 Seems the pardons were as legitimate as the J6 committee which convened in contravention of its rules of creation.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2025 01:33 PM (ynpvh)

264 >>some of us don’t know how to react to plain old naked aggression.

Most of us aren't wearing pants.

So, we have a slight advantage.

Posted by: garrett at March 17, 2025 01:33 PM (npXNI)

265 The thing is, signature law is really sketchy. You can sign anything you want, literally anything. As long as it was a mark intended to be your signature, its valid, even an "X".
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:30 PM (2VST1)

But YOU Have to scrawl that X, and maybe someone has to witness that X. Otherwise someone could walk into a bank and put an X, in your name, on a mortgage, a massive loan or empty your account.

Posted by: long night...lifted at March 17, 2025 01:33 PM (2NXcZ)

266 Wow! I just today noticed an email I received from Joe Biden in December of last year with an attached document - signed by Joe! - granting me a lifetime annual payment of $100,000 for services rendered in my capacity as Chairman of the Task Force for Monitoring U-Boat Activity in Chesapeake Bay.

Looks legit. I hope President Trump doesn't vacate it.

Posted by: Paco at March 17, 2025 01:33 PM (mADJX)

267 Have you noticed lately how Trump signs things in the Oval Office with a John Hancock-style signature in front of rolling cameras?

Now you know why.

So everyone who thought they had a pardon has exposure.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 17, 2025 01:33 PM (Gqoy+)

268 "Push with bayonet. If you meet armor, stop. If mush, keep pushing."

Posted by: gKWVE at March 17, 2025 01:33 PM (gKWVE)

269 The DU comments link a Newsweek article doing its best to frame the issue as a right-wing fever dream...allegations by The Heritage Foundation, who wrote Project 2025...video of Biden signing "many" of the alleged fraudulent documents is on record (which ones, not specified)...etc.

https://tinyurl.com/4u8bjsjj

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at March 17, 2025 01:33 PM (JCZqz)

270 262 That reporter that hit Trump in the face with a microphone ended up being an NPR reporter who's a rabid transgender activist.

I'm sure it was an accident.

Posted by: Leupold at March 17, 2025 01:32 PM (4pwAx)

It's called battery.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2025 01:34 PM (ynpvh)

271 259 255 The Trump Plan… Attack, attack, attack… unprecedented by our side… even some of us don’t know how to react to plain old naked aggression..
Posted by: tubal at March 17, 2025 01:31 PM (PCK5/)

But I'm loving it...
Posted by: It's me donna
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Trump is emulating Georgie Patton in France 1944.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 01:34 PM (ctrM5)

272 >>I think it IS about whether *biden was aware of its use in his name and who that person(s) was. Opening that bag of worms is not going to be easy.

That's exactly what this is about. Leavitt just said so.

The bag has already been opened over the weekend when the NY Post anonymously quoted former Biden aides discussing what Biden knew.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2025 01:34 PM (LkLld)

273 Christopher R. Taylor,

Kate Upton? Susanna Hoffs? I think you're showing your age. Get hep! Say Cheryl Tiegs and Victoria Principal instead.

Posted by: Pete in Texas at March 17, 2025 01:34 PM (Er1XH)

274 *biden's mental state is widely acknowledged. So....
Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 17, 2025 01:31 PM (Q4IgG)

But a remedy exists for that problem, and no one used it.

*shrug*

My guess is when Kamala was made the nominee they intentionally made sure no one was going to use the 25th amendment to purposefully prevent any undoing of FJB’s “actions”.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at March 17, 2025 01:34 PM (fwyhL)

275 Sign it with the autopen just to make fun of the SCOTUS.
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Solve sexual compatibility problems by not being whores at March 17, 2025 01:18 PM (iv5Pb)

...

Baller move is to create an executive order that has perfect Constitutional grounds but which SCOTUS hates, and then sign it with autopen, so that SCOTUS itself strikes down the order on the grounds that the autopen is not valid.

Posted by: TexasDan at March 17, 2025 01:34 PM (z/ifB)

276 So it seems both Bush and Obama looked into this, and tried to argue around the presence requirement since the goal initially for Bush was to use the pen on an emergency basis when he was out of the country. There was a legal opinion but Bush never used the autopen and instead made a couple very long flights just to sign shit.

Obama used it (as you would expect, he was very lazy.)

But the legal issue was looked into and the well established law around proxy signatures is presence. (I would argue that mental competence, and identification of person who controlled the autopen are also critical.)

For Biden, this is a problem since it may be hard to prove he was incompetent, it will be very easy to prove he was not in DC while much of his signatures were made.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at March 17, 2025 01:34 PM (9E8yC)

277 James O'Keefe is the reason why we can't have nice things:

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https://is.gd/TzyJef

James O'Keefe
@JamesOKeefeIII

20 years ago, today, I got Lucky Charms banned in college.

Before YouTube, Twitter, and the iPhone existed. Recorded on a Kodak Z730 with a piece of tape covering the blinking red light.

I struggled not to laugh.

Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 17, 2025 01:34 PM (oa6zk)

278 268 "Push with bayonet. If you meet armor, stop. If mush, keep pushing."

Posted by: gKWVE at March 17, 2025 01:33 PM (gKWVE)

If you hit resistance, use moar firepower.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2025 01:34 PM (ynpvh)

279 But YOU Have to scrawl that X, and maybe someone has to witness that X. Otherwise someone could walk into a bank and put an X, in your name, on a mortgage, a massive loan or empty your account.

As I understand it you can authorize someone else to do it for you, if you're present, and later agree it was meant to be yours. Which will be the Biden defense: he wanted it done, he was right there!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:35 PM (2VST1)

280 Generally speaking, con law scholars have assumed the pardon power is plenary for the Prezzie but the laws are silent as to whether a president, who is not mentally competent or even cannot be demonstrated to have actually signed/authorized the permit, can be demonstrated to have done so. I think personally Courts will shy away from the implications because that throws into question the entirety of the Biden junta and the legitimacy of laws passed, regulatory actions, etc. during those four years.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 01:28 PM (ctrM5)

It's a straightforward application of general principles, which will not be undertaken for exactly the reasons you state.

Barack Obama is a cancer upon this great nation, and these statements are not unrelated.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 17, 2025 01:35 PM (i24o9)

281 I hope the Empress is not correct here because the way this simple cat-grrl is reading Trump's news release is as follows -

Joey Bidet was non-compus mentus. So how can he have signed valid pardons?

This is Hedley Lamar pushing papers in front of an obviously mentally incompetent governor.

"Hello boys!"

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 17, 2025 01:35 PM (b1S6W)

282
But YOU Have to scrawl that X, and maybe someone has to witness that X. Otherwise someone could walk into a bank and put an X, in your name, on a mortgage, a massive loan or empty your account.
Posted by: long night...lifted
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Almost everything is now done with DocuSign, I just don't think it would really go anywhere.

But I would think a presidential power like pardons should have a much higher threshold.

The autopen for anything besides generic correspondence from a President should have never been allowed, certainly not for a legal document.

Posted by: Leupold at March 17, 2025 01:35 PM (4pwAx)

283 Schroeder had a security piano.

Posted by: Arch Inspectors of Catania at March 17, 2025 01:35 PM (7Q0e+)

284 Honestly I'm thinking the Left is going to deploy the political version of how the Catholic Church handled the bad popes by saying their temporal failings had no impact on their spiritual powers.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at March 17, 2025 01:35 PM (x0NqF)

285 I likened these pardons to a last will and testament earlier.

Every will requires proof that the testator signed it of his own free will and intent.

If these pardons were your granddad's will, it'd be thrown out.

And we're not transferring a house and a few financial accounts here-- we're absolving people of multiple federal felonies.
With far, far less proof of validity or intent.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 17, 2025 01:35 PM (7oyRZ)

286 Joe’s signature probably looks like King Theoden’s in The Two Towers…

Posted by: tubal at March 17, 2025 01:36 PM (PCK5/)

287 They are clinging to that Wubby like Schroeder to his security blanket.

Ha! This proves right-wingers are ignorant! It was Linus who had a security blanket!

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 17, 2025 01:36 PM (WPL6O)

288
Hey, what a Monday!!! GO get them President Trump!!!

Posted by: four seasons at March 17, 2025 01:36 PM (3ek7K)

289 Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 01:32 PM (ctrM5)

A judge already declared him incompetent to stand trial, so that part is done. So is he competent to release convicted murderers, give billions to Ukraine, let the J6 scumbags off the hook?

Posted by: long night...lifted at March 17, 2025 01:36 PM (2NXcZ)

290 So just do it and dare them to do something about it.
Posted by: Methos at March 17, 2025 01:29 PM (Dnobf)

That strategy works for Dems.

I hate when they do that and GOPe just throws up their hands.

Posted by: Emmie celebrates the Audacity of Trump! at March 17, 2025 01:36 PM (Sf2cq)

291 Almost everything is now done with DocuSign

-

I'm completely comfortable moving forward with this discussion.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Solve sexual compatibility problems by not being whores at March 17, 2025 01:36 PM (iv5Pb)

292 It's more than "auto-pen." The legal challenge will come up in the context of the DOJ charging someone on the list who's guilty as sin, who will then say he was pardoned. The DOJ will say "not so fast", we have evidence that Joe never knew about this.

Judges who defy this will be exposed as partisan hacks.

So everyone who thought they had a pardon has exposure.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 17, 2025 01:36 PM (Gqoy+)

293 The law is rife with instances where mental incapacity voids actions and consent. Contract signing, sexual relations, even marriage. Why should Presidential consent to pardons be any different? Maybe they should. As I said above, this is all no-man's land.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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See Fletcher v. Peck where Scotus upheld corrupt actions by a bribed GA legislature and governor to sell land to speculators who then passed those lands on. GA repudiated that legislature and governor via elections and repealed the act but Scotus held the titles to the land as good.

My guess is Scotus dodges defining competency and passes the hot potato to Congress and the Presidency as theoretically, the 25th Amendment has put that power into Congress and the Executive branch hands for specifically this instance.
Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 01:32 PM (ctrM5)
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Yea, but the GA legislature did that knowingly and willingly. Would the result be the same if the legislature was away on vacation and some aide secretly signed the order/law granting the land? I don't think it would be.

Posted by: Elric Blade at March 17, 2025 01:36 PM (iFTx/)

294 237 I will bet $5 that Roberts will sidestep the whole issue by saying “The 25th amendment exists, and no one used it, so tough nuggies”.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric

My guess is you are right. The courts would be literally swamped with challenges over every law, every regulation, firing, etc. done by our illegal and demented president. Same reason I think that the Court refused to get into the patent voter fraud in Texas v PA case. It would have shaken the foundations of the nation in the majority estimation to us actually being a democracy. Roberts and his cowardly colleagues blinked at the implications.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 01:37 PM (ctrM5)

295 Get hep! Say Cheryl Tiegs and Victoria Principal instead.

If I'm gonna go back that far its Molly Ringwald, Phoebe Cates, and Lea Thompson.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:37 PM (2VST1)

296 289 Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 01:32 PM (ctrM5)

A judge already declared him incompetent to stand trial, so that part is done. So is he competent to release convicted murderers, give billions to Ukraine, let the J6 scumbags off the hook?
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 17, 2025 01:36 PM (2NXcZ)

=======

An IG had said that he thought Biden was incompetent to stand trial, which was his reasoning for not recommending charges.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 17, 2025 01:37 PM (GBKbO)

297 Speaking of, what's the rush? Why does the autopen exist to begin with if not for fraud?
Posted by: Boron Cobbie -
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The auto pen exists to sign birthday cards to 100 year olds, presidential scholar awards (my daughter has one), and the like.
Not documents with force of law.

Posted by: From about That Time at March 17, 2025 01:37 PM (n4GiU)

298 Nothing ever makes me retch like the HS civics class pablum about coequal branches of government. It's made-up, fanciful nonsense. Read the document: the legislature is supreme, the Presidency is very powerful, the Courts are gelded. It's right there on the damned page in black letters.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 17, 2025 01:37 PM (BI5O2)

299 Why Trump makes all signings of his pardons Public Affairs. LOL

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2025 01:37 PM (ynpvh)

300 Only a matter of time before some contemporary judge dons the black silk and sentences Trump to be taken to a place of execution and hanged by the neck until he is dead, dead, dead......
Posted by: Paco
______

I was just writing up such an order! Abrigado
- Alexandre de Moraes, O Todo-Poderoso (Wacky Brazilian Judge)

Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 17, 2025 01:37 PM (/LQYr)

301 Right Angle News Network
@Rightanglenews
BREAKING - Senator Jim Banks is calling for an investigation into the entire Jan. 6 committee after President Trump revealed that their pardon signatures are null due to duplication and autopen use.

Posted by: redridinghood at March 17, 2025 01:37 PM (NpAcC)

302 I want to laugh off that silly microphone thing, as Trump apparently did... but the nasty part of me keeps thinking how easy it would be to coat that thing in something horrible (ricin?) and walk away completely unchallenged, because "lol".

I'm sure i'm not the first person to have that thought, either.

I want to live in a world where we can say "lol". But there's also people who don't.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 17, 2025 01:37 PM (VoAdT)

303 Speaking of, what's the rush? Why does the autopen exist to begin with if not for fraud?
Posted by: Boron Cobbie -
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The auto pen exists to sign birthday cards to 100 year olds, presidential scholar awards (my daughter has one), and the like.
Not documents with force of law.
Posted by: From about That Time

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Yep.

Fraud.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Solve sexual compatibility problems by not being whores at March 17, 2025 01:38 PM (iv5Pb)

304 If a signature is defined as “a symbol that implies intent.” Then the defense to the current crisis is to prove the president acted with intent. How does that work if the president is in invalid?

Posted by: Corona exile-back_in_exile at March 17, 2025 01:30 PM (qHgX

It's like Trump just signed a death warrant for FJB.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 17, 2025 01:38 PM (i24o9)

305 A judge already declared him incompetent to stand trial, so that part is done. So is he competent to release convicted murderers, give billions to Ukraine, let the J6 scumbags off the hook?
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 17, 2025 01:36 PM (2NXcZ)

Thought it was the DOJ prosecutor or the agent doing the questioning that said he’d likely not be found competent. I could very well be wrong.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at March 17, 2025 01:38 PM (fwyhL)

306 >>Alex the chick, who for some reason has me blocked on X (I never did anything to you, why???) is on a tear saying this will never work and Trump can't do this.

Wrong-o! Trump can do whatever the fuck Trump wants to legally do. Is it illegal for him to say this? No. Is it illegal for him to actually do this? No. If he ignores those pardons and brings criminal charges against someone who got one, the court will decide whether pthat pardon is authentic or not.
Trump will do whatever he wants to do that will cause demoncrats to get unstacked all over again. He said it in his address to Congress. They will never give him credit. They will never try to work for the good of the American people. So ignore them and do whatever is best for the country.

I voted for the bull in the china shop. Rampage on Mr. President!!

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at March 17, 2025 01:38 PM (4XwPj)

307 The larger issue here is that Trump is constantly keeping them on their heels. Something Republicans hitherto had no desire to do or any idea how to do.

Posted by: Ordinary American at March 17, 2025 01:38 PM (ZlOcj)

308 305 Thought it was the DOJ prosecutor or the agent doing the questioning that said he’d likely not be found competent. I could very well be wrong.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at March 17, 2025 01:38 PM (fwyhL)

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IG Hur.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 17, 2025 01:38 PM (GBKbO)

309 Yea, but the GA legislature did that knowingly and willingly. Would the result be the same if the legislature was away on vacation and some aide secretly signed the order/law granting the land? I don't think it would be.
Posted by: Elric Blade

Another example would be Judge Pickering's impeachment and removal. He was removed for dementia and insanity but his rulings and legal acts prior to removal were assumed legitimate. Simply put, this is a situation that is difficult to reconcile private contract law with public law.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 01:38 PM (ctrM5)

310 297 Speaking of, what's the rush? Why does the autopen exist to begin with if not for fraud?
Posted by: Boron Cobbie -
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The auto pen exists to sign birthday cards to 100 year olds, presidential scholar awards (my daughter has one), and the like.
Not documents with force of law.

Posted by: From about That Time at March 17, 2025 01:37 PM (n4GiU)

AI autopen signing executive order that everybody has to be trans and eat their food like the AI videos say humans eat...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2025 01:38 PM (ynpvh)

311 It was used for signing all the reams of non-official crap a president must sign. Stuff like, oh, a signed note congratulating Mrs. Gladys Kravitz on her Lifetime Achievement Award from the Lady's Auxiliary of the Podunk Rotary Club and shit of that nature.
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Wait...the note I received from Lady Bird Johnson, declining the invitation to my HS graduation, is FAKE?

Posted by: Mike Hammer's mortarboard at March 17, 2025 01:38 PM (XeU6L)

312 Biden is no Col. Jessup. There will be no "Code Red" moment at trial over "his" use of AutoPen.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 17, 2025 01:39 PM (Aqu9a)

313 Thought it was the DOJ prosecutor or the agent doing the questioning that said he’d likely not be found competent. I could very well be wrong.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at March 17, 2025 01:38 PM (fwyhL)

I'd love to hear the original tapped interview...

Posted by: It's me donna at March 17, 2025 01:39 PM (VE6XX)

314 The real question is, will Autopen run for president in 2028?

Posted by: nerdygirl at March 17, 2025 01:39 PM (0Htd1)

315 I will bet $5 that Roberts will sidestep the whole issue by saying “The 25th amendment exists, and no one used it, so tough nuggies”.

Yeah but that doesn't work, because the argument isn't "Biden was nuts so he should have been out of office" it was "Biden wasn't capable of authorizing this particular action, so its invalid."

Linus. I knew it was Linus. Peanuts is so old I should have come up with a better more recent example anyway. I doubt anyone under the age of 40 even remembers Peanuts any longer.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:39 PM (2VST1)

316

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at March 17, 2025 01:39 PM (Q91V2)

317 And here I thought and auto pen was an outdoor enclosed parking lot...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2025 01:39 PM (ynpvh)

318 hey Dems, if you'd just accepted Trump won in 2016 and given him a measly, piddling $5 billion to build the wall, he'd be safely out of office by now.

suck it, losers!

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 17, 2025 01:39 PM (7oyRZ)

319 Worth a try in any case. Perhaps he has information that confirms the pardons were never issued by Biden.

Posted by: steevy at March 17, 2025 01:40 PM (KQk9m)

320 Out of all the presidential signatures I have, I think only one is probably an autopen:

Reagan's.

He used it a lot, the autopen used something like six variations of his signature, and what I have is a photo of him, nothing close to official.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 17, 2025 01:40 PM (GBKbO)

321
Almost everything is now done with DocuSign, I just don't think it would really go anywhere.

But I would think a presidential power like pardons should have a much higher threshold.

The autopen for anything besides generic correspondence from a President should have never been allowed, certainly not for a legal document.
Posted by: Leupold at March 17, 2025 01:35 PM (4pwAx)

I don't know. I still needed a notary to establish a trust.
Part of this is done to eliminate the chance of forced signatures.

Posted by: long night...lifted at March 17, 2025 01:40 PM (2NXcZ)

322 316

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at March 17, 2025 01:39 PM (Q91V2)

Waiting to see you soon.

Posted by: RBG, hot as Hell at March 17, 2025 01:40 PM (ynpvh)

323 Biden was declared legally incompetent no?

Biden won’t be charged in classified docs case; special counsel cites instances of ‘poor memory’

Later in the report, the special counsel said that the president’s memory was “worse” during an interview with him than it was in recorded conversations from 2017.

“He did not remember when he was vice president, forgetting on the first day of the interview when his term ended (‘if it was 2013 — when did I stop being Vice President?’

, and forgetting on the second day of the interview when his term began (‘in 2009, am I still Vice President?’

,” the report said.

Biden also had difficulty remembering the timing of his son Beau’s death, as well as a debate about Afghanistan, the report said.

“He did not remember, even within several years, when his son Beau died,” the report said.

Posted by: I'm Gumby Dmn It! at March 17, 2025 01:41 PM (37aB+)

324 Since Autopen is the smarter of the two, he could run for president, with Kumala for the VP slot. I wonder if Autopen would be able to put its "hand" on the bible to take the oath of office.

Posted by: nerdygirl at March 17, 2025 01:41 PM (0Htd1)

325 233 Leavitt is the best WH Press Secretary I've ever heard. She's very knowledgable about the issues and she takes no shit.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2025 01:28 PM (LkLld)

Which state will elect her as Governor in a few years?

Posted by: Inogame at March 17, 2025 01:41 PM (53oGX)

326 >>I'm sure i'm not the first person to have that thought, either.

Bush Jr Days.

Fake Camera/TV Crew tried to get into an event without Credentials. Turned away.

A few weeks later, a fake News Crew attempted to take out a Saudi Prince.

Posted by: garrett at March 17, 2025 01:41 PM (npXNI)

327 ========

IG Hur.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 17, 2025 01:38 PM (GBKbO)

Danke.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at March 17, 2025 01:41 PM (fwyhL)

328 >>An IG had said that he thought Biden was incompetent to stand trial, which was his reasoning for not recommending charges.

Axshullee, it was Special Counsel Robert Hur.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2025 01:41 PM (LkLld)

329 The real question is, will Autopen run for president in 2028?

Compared to Tampon Timmy AWOLs or Grusome Newsom

Auto Pen is an improvement.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 17, 2025 01:41 PM (b1S6W)

330 304 If a signature is defined as “a symbol that implies intent.” Then the defense to the current crisis is to prove the president acted with intent. How does that work if the president is in invalid?

Posted by: Corona exile-back_in_exile at March 17, 2025 01:30 PM (qHgX

It's like Trump just signed a death warrant for FJB.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder
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Needless to say it doesn't and that is a real constitutional crisis in that this nation and its elected officials ignored the 25th Amendment and purposefully kept a demented old man in office so they could benefit politically, financially, and as partisans. No one in DC looks good from this as even I could tell that Biden had dementia back in 2020. Was going through the same exact thing and seeing the same exact behavior by my mother. I had to put her in memory care, the Democrats and cowardly GOPe types put Biden in the White House.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 01:41 PM (ctrM5)

331 A judge already declared him incompetent to stand trial, so that part is done. So is he competent to release convicted murderers, give billions to Ukraine, let the J6 scumbags off the hook?
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 17, 2025 01:36 PM

Minor point...the decision not to recommend charges wasn't a statement that he was incompetent to stand trial, which is a legal term in its own right, but a decision justified on the grounds that it would be too difficult to win a conviction, with the jury likely to be overly sympathetic to a confused elderly defendant.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 17, 2025 01:41 PM (hOk1M)

332 Born void.

Is this a math term?

Posted by: Dreamingrobot at March 17, 2025 01:42 PM (5X+GU)

333 328 >>An IG had said that he thought Biden was incompetent to stand trial, which was his reasoning for not recommending charges.

Axshullee, it was Special Counsel Robert Hur.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2025 01:41 PM (LkLld)

======

I thought he was an IG...

Oh well. I'm dumb.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 17, 2025 01:42 PM (GBKbO)

334 And I suspect that is the Trump strategy; to force them to defend Biden's competency and physical presence. Which should be... interesting.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:32 PM (2VST1)

A nice side effect of this, for those with the neurons to rub together, is to remind everyone who cared about it that Biden left the 2024 Presidential race by a twitter post.

Which he obviously didn't write.

Posted by: Methos at March 17, 2025 01:42 PM (Dnobf)

335 What if a president was in and accident and unable to sign due to injuries... couldn't he use an auto-pen?
Posted by: redridinghood at March 17, 2025 01:21 PM (NpAcC)

I believe any mark at all made on the paper, in the presence of witnesses, would be a valid signature.

The flaw of the autopen is that there are no witnesses.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2025 01:42 PM (MqtqS)

336 Another example would be Judge Pickering's impeachment and removal. He was removed for dementia and insanity but his rulings and legal acts prior to removal were assumed legitimate.

Yeah but its like having a cop found out to have been corrupt. Now EVERY case he was involved in is open to lawsuit or reopening, because who knows if he was taking bribes then or not? This is a can of worms that I don't think the Roberts court will even want to touch, and if they do will be EXTREMELY narrow in their ruling.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:42 PM (2VST1)

337 I used to sign everything "X" just to avoid embarrassment.

Posted by: Estrus McGee at March 17, 2025 01:42 PM (paSBy)

338 313 I'd love to hear the original tapped interview...
Posted by: It's me donna at March

I wonder if Trump and Co. did, sparking this little bit of news about pardons….

Posted by: Piper at March 17, 2025 01:42 PM (pZEOD)

339 The Taliban did assassinate the leader of the Northern Front with a fake French news crew.

The interview was explosive.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 17, 2025 01:42 PM (b1S6W)

340 The autopen was originally supposed to be used to sign legislation when the President wasn't physically in the capitol city to do so.

Or so I've been lead to believe.

It's use as "catch all" because the President's mental state prohibits him from functioning well enough to hold a pen isn't really what I had in mind.

That argument may have legs. Maybe.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 17, 2025 01:42 PM (Q4IgG)

341 324 Since Autopen is the smarter of the two, he could run for president, with Kumala for the VP slot. I wonder if Autopen would be able to put its "hand" on the bible to take the oath of office.

Posted by: nerdygirl at March 17, 2025 01:41 PM (0Htd1)

Lucky for Autopen, the Constitution doesn't specify...

Posted by: RBG, hot as Hell at March 17, 2025 01:42 PM (ynpvh)

342 >>Which state will elect her as Governor in a few years?

She's from NH. Lost a race for a House seat.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2025 01:43 PM (LkLld)

343 Thought it was the DOJ prosecutor or the agent doing the questioning that said he’d likely not be found competent. I could very well be wrong.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at March 17, 2025 01:38 PM (fwyhL)

You're probably right. Hur as of the FISA warrants?

Posted by: long night...lifted at March 17, 2025 01:43 PM (2NXcZ)

344 Yeah but that doesn't work, because the argument isn't "Biden was nuts so he should have been out of office" it was "Biden wasn't capable of authorizing this particular action, so its invalid."

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:39 PM (2VST1)

Except Roberts has done this before when the House Republicans sued the Obama Administration, the court ruled that they were right, but that the remedy was already in the Constitution (don’t fund Obama).

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at March 17, 2025 01:43 PM (fwyhL)

345 A judge already declared him incompetent to stand trial, so that part is done. So is he competent to release convicted murderers, give billions to Ukraine, let the J6 scumbags off the hook?
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They could always release the audio of the Hur interviews to prove Biden was mentally competent ....

PS: Brittany Spears was placed in guardianship and she clearly had greater mental competence than Biden.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 17, 2025 01:43 PM (7oyRZ)

346 Damn.
Go, Trump, go!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at March 17, 2025 01:43 PM (xcxpd)

347 Regardless of the outcome of this, I bet the "pardonees" are focusing more on his mention of investigations, which he can do even if they are pardoned.

Posted by: DJ at March 17, 2025 01:43 PM (uosPt)

348 very willowed (I slept a couple of hours)

Who names their kid Ja'Marr?

Posted by: I gotta ask at March 17, 2025 09:19 AM (dg+HA)
----
Would that be a Japanese Ja'Mall?

(I can sort of do the Bushman's click, not well though, not a sharp sound as the Natives).

Posted by: Ciampino - contact sport on the fly at March 17, 2025 01:44 PM (KjLnc)

349 @EndWokeness
WH protest: "Remove this president or there will be violence"

Posted by: Don Black. Message: pardon me at March 17, 2025 01:44 PM (AOsQT)

350 Almost everything is now done with DocuSign

I have to forward invoices over $300,000.00 to our Executive VP. I take the invoice to my director who verifies it's true & correct and wet ink signs it. I then email it to the EVP's executive assistant. The assistant emails it to her for docusign signature. Then the EVP emails it back so I can forward it to AP for payment.

There are numerous electronic and paper trails.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 17, 2025 01:44 PM (BLpWt)

351 I would want a narrow ruling from SCOTUS

"Listen Jack, for matters of state and pardons an Autopen makes any said document null and void."

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 17, 2025 01:44 PM (b1S6W)

352 The flaw of the autopen is that there are no witnesses.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2025 01:42 PM (MqtqS)

The other autopens don't count?

Posted by: long night...lifted at March 17, 2025 01:44 PM (2NXcZ)

353 321
Almost everything is now done with DocuSign, I just don't think it would really go anywhere.

But I would think a presidential power like pardons should have a much higher threshold.

The autopen for anything besides generic correspondence from a President should have never been allowed, certainly not for a legal document.
Posted by: Leupold

It wasn't used taht way until the GWB administration Office of WH Counsel issued guidance that a president could sign a bill without being physically present via auto pen by giving authorization to a WH official to do it. Obama is the first to actually sign a bill that way. Dunno about Trump I and legislation.

Also dunno about presidential executive orders, proclamations, etc. when they were signed first by Autopen.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 01:44 PM (ctrM5)

354 @EndWokeness
WH protest: "Remove this president or there will be violence"
Posted by: Don Black

Challenge accepted.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 17, 2025 01:44 PM (BLpWt)

355 Send lawyers, guns and money
The SHIT has HIT THE FAN!

Posted by: Axeman at March 17, 2025 01:45 PM (krQz2)

356 Yesterday I had an informant infiltrate one of the protests at Tesla dealerships and they told her a few things:

1. These protests are only happening in contested congressional districts

2. They’re being funded by 501c4 charities being given dark money from Democrat politicians of these districts

3. They’re organized through facebook groups since 𝕏 is monitored by pro Elon people

Here is a copy of their prepared anti-Elon chants:

https://tinyurl.com/zyhe4fc6

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at March 17, 2025 01:45 PM (LdsRU)

357 a decision justified on the grounds that it would be too difficult to win a conviction, with the jury likely to be overly sympathetic to a confused elderly defendant.

Its the Hillary Clinton defense: "no reasonable prosecutor would take the case" meaning "we probably can't win this so let's not even try"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:45 PM (2VST1)

358 Challenge accepted.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 17, 2025 01:44 PM (BLpWt)

Again.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 17, 2025 01:45 PM (VoAdT)

359 Hur decided Joe was not competent to stand trial before Joe signed the pardons.

Which really makes things interesting.

President Trump is attacking the entire premise of the Biden residency but, I'm pretty sure he's staking out his negotiating position.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 17, 2025 01:45 PM (tT6L1)

360 >>I thought he was an IG...

>>Oh well. I'm dumb.

Nah, Garland brought him back from private practice specifically to look into the Biden classified documents case.

Just like Hillary with Comey, he said the evidence was clear but Biden would present himself to the jury as an old man with a bad memory and he didn't think he could get a conviction.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2025 01:46 PM (LkLld)

361 No wonder Hunter is hiding out in South Africa.

Posted by: Kestrel.987
......

They have crack in South Africa?

Posted by: wth at March 17, 2025 01:46 PM (v0R5T)

362 >An IG had said that he thought Biden was incompetent to stand trial, which was his reasoning for not recommending charges.

Axshullee, it was Special Counsel Robert Hur.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2025 01:41 PM (LkLld)

Yes and you can not have it both ways. Trump smells blood in the water...

Posted by: I'm Gumby Dmn It! at March 17, 2025 01:46 PM (37aB+)

363 The flaw of the autopen is that there are no witnesses.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 17, 2025 01:42 PM (MqtqS)

The other autopens don't count?
Posted by: long night

Don't really need an eyewitness for "Greetings Eagle Scout. The President wishes to congratulate you on your achievement".

Posted by: rickb223 at March 17, 2025 01:46 PM (BLpWt)

364 All Bondi has to do is arrest Fauci and charge him with something that Biden pardoned him for and we'll find out if an Autopen can be president not too long afterwards.

Of course, it doesn't have to be Fauci.
Bondi could pick somebody else to test a case with, but I'd prefer if she'd start with the Covid-Goblin.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at March 17, 2025 01:46 PM (6ydKt)

365 Yeah but its like having a cop found out to have been corrupt. Now EVERY case he was involved in is open to lawsuit or reopening, because who knows if he was taking bribes then or not? This is a can of worms that I don't think the Roberts court will even want to touch, and if they do will be EXTREMELY narrow in their ruling.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
========
I agree. The first impulse of the courts is actually to protect the institutions rather than rule on a case justly though the heavens may fall.

That happens almost never in history.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 01:46 PM (ctrM5)

366 My mom's MAGA now, but when I was a kid, she was a Democrat. Two of the few things she and my dad agreed about in those days was that Bill Clinton was a dirty crook, and that Special Counsels were also third world kangaroo court bullshit that never should have been considered remotely legal from the jump, back in the 19th century.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 17, 2025 01:47 PM (BI5O2)

367 329 The real question is, will Autopen run for president in 2028?

Compared to Tampon Timmy AWOLs or Grusome Newsom

Auto Pen is an improvement.
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 17, 2025 01:41 PM (b1S6W)

I used to joke that I'd like to see "None of the Above' on every ballot, and if it wins? We start the election over.

Never realized 'None of the Above' actually won in 2020... but they didn't restart the election until 2024.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 17, 2025 01:47 PM (QAkQ3)

368 Fun but nothing will come of it. Unfortunately.
Posted by: WisRich at March 17, 2025 01:07 PM (G0vdT)

I disagree, this is the action that is going to turn the activist left into a giant writhing ball of anger and hate, as mean and spiteful as a cut snake.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 17, 2025 01:47 PM (D7oie)

369 @EndWokeness
WH protest: "Remove this president or there will be violence"
Posted by: Don Black. Message: pardon me at March 17, 2025 01:44 PM

Your proposal is acceptable.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 17, 2025 01:47 PM (hOk1M)

370 Trump didn't make these unsigned phony pardons void. They were born void because Biden didn't sign them.

Posted by: Ace at 01:00 PM
---
Dems always ignore crucial distinctions that don't play in their favor.

For example, did you know that during the rise of the Nazi party in Germany, 51% of the Nazi party came from school teachers!!!

Wonder where that plays on the "so many parallels" narrative.

Posted by: Axeman at March 17, 2025 01:47 PM (krQz2)

371 19
'the world has passed them by.'

Posted by: Shenanigans at March 17, 2025 01:04 PM (pZ0Mr)
----
Reminds me of a line from Depeche Mode "I'm going for a ride with may best friend".

Posted by: Ciampino - contact sport on the fly at March 17, 2025 01:48 PM (KjLnc)

372 It wasn't used taht way until the GWB administration Office of WH Counsel issued guidance that a president could sign a bill without being physically present via auto pen by giving authorization to a WH official to do it. Obama is the first to actually sign a bill that way. Dunno about Trump I and legislation.

Also dunno about presidential executive orders, proclamations, etc. when they were signed first by Autopen.
Posted by: whig

===

If that's how things have gone down, I dont see any hope for an actual legal case moving forward.

It was incredibly stupid to allow this, almost like giving power of attorney to some staffer.

I always thought autopen was like when a president sends a kid a letter congratulating them on making the eagle scouts, not real laws and pardons.

Posted by: Leupold at March 17, 2025 01:48 PM (4pwAx)

373 362 Yes and you can not have it both ways. Trump smells blood in the water...
Posted by: I'm Gumby Dmn It! at March 17, 2025 01:46 PM (37aB+)

========

Biden being loopy and stupid and putting his pen to paper is one thing. Constitutional and legal and kosher, if stupid.

Biden not authorizing the use of the autopen to sign official government documents, but them getting signed anyway, is something else.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 17, 2025 01:48 PM (GBKbO)

374 Except Roberts has done this before when the House Republicans sued the Obama Administration, the court ruled that they were right, but that the remedy was already in the Constitution (don’t fund Obama).

Sure, and he might do that, but that's the wrong remedy. Disqualifying someone entirely from office still doesn't negate the damage done by a mentally incompetent person WHILE in office, and it is the improper remedy for the damage in question.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:48 PM (2VST1)

375 Does a pardon have to be written?
Or can it be verbal?

I ask, because Trump is basically saying, "a valid pardon has to have a wet-ink signature by the hand of the President."

And all these judges ruling against Trump are basing a lot of the rulings on the High Holy Scripture of Bureaucracy: Procedure Must Be Exactly Followed.

And to now rule, "eh, whatever, however you do it is fine?"

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 17, 2025 01:48 PM (7oyRZ)

376 Meanwhile King Harv keeps humping a Great White

Posted by: wth at March 17, 2025 01:48 PM (v0R5T)

377 368 Fun but nothing will come of it. Unfortunately.
Posted by: WisRich at March 17, 2025 01:07 PM (G0vdT)

I disagree, this is the action that is going to turn the activist left into a giant writhing ball of anger and hate, as mean and spiteful as a cut snake.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 17, 2025 01:47 PM (D7oie)

If the Left claims Biden was of sound mind to "sign" these pardons, then he has to be of sound-enough mind to answer for his crimes, no?

Posted by: RBG, hot as Hell at March 17, 2025 01:48 PM (ynpvh)

378 This is a can of worms that I don't think the Roberts court will even want to touch, and if they do will be EXTREMELY narrow in their ruling.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

More, Robert's is a coward. He punts on just about EVERY major issue. It is only when his hand is really forced, that anything meaningful comes out of his court.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 17, 2025 01:48 PM (QAkQ3)

379 Was going through the same exact thing and seeing the same exact behavior by my mother. I had to put her in memory care, the Democrats and cowardly GOPe types put Biden in the White House.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 01:41 PM (ctrM5)

I am sorry about your Mom. It is a terrible thing to have to face.

Everyone who has had to deal with the same knew in 2020 that FJB had dementia.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 17, 2025 01:49 PM (i24o9)

380 @EndWokeness
WH protest: "Remove this president or there will be violence"
Posted by: Don Black. Message: pardon me at March 17, 2025 01:44 PM (AOsQT)
---
The Democrats are the foremost champions of the peaceful transition of power ... as long as no real power goes with it.

Posted by: Axeman at March 17, 2025 01:49 PM (krQz2)

381 Eric Daugherty
@EricLDaugh
2m
BREAKING: Congressman Andy Ogles (R-TN) just called on Congress to treat false swatting calls as "domestic terrorism and attempted m*rder."

"Too many of my constituents are being targeted by Leftists, hoping to silence their speech. This is not a game. It’s political violence. Someone could get k*lled. Congress must act NOW."

Posted by: redridinghood at March 17, 2025 01:49 PM (NpAcC)

382 376 Meanwhile King Harv keeps humping a Great White

Posted by: wth at March 17, 2025 01:48 PM (v0R5T)

Terrible thing to do to a band.
https://youtu.be/Bz61YQWZuYU

Posted by: RBG, hot as Hell at March 17, 2025 01:49 PM (ynpvh)

383 Som rep in Congress has already said that they'll open investigations into J6 on those that received these void pardons. Who's going to stop them from investigating? Get Liz Cheney to fight the subpoena if she wants.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 17, 2025 01:49 PM (/LQYr)

384 Its the Hillary Clinton defense: "no reasonable prosecutor would take the case" meaning "we ~~probably can't~~ emphatically do not want to win this so ~~let's not even try~~ go fuck yourself, America."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:45 PM (2VST1)

FIFY.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 17, 2025 01:50 PM (BI5O2)

385 More, Robert's is a coward. He punts on just about EVERY major issue. It is only when his hand is really forced, that anything meaningful comes out of his court.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 17, 2025 01:48 PM (QAkQ3)

Dishwater > Swamp water.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 17, 2025 01:50 PM (VoAdT)

386 I used to joke that I'd like to see "None of the Above' on every ballot, and if it wins? We start the election over.
---
That used to be a plank in the Libertarian party platform, except the office would remain unfilled if None of the Above won.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at March 17, 2025 01:50 PM (paSBy)

387 If Roberts didn't have lower bowel disorder he's getting it now. The last thing he wants, the thing he dreads, is for the Supreme Court to serve as the crucible for these kinds of historic decisions.

Posted by: Ordinary American at March 17, 2025 01:50 PM (ZlOcj)

388 speaking of conservatorship, I kept hearing about Wendy Williams's conservatorship, and I kept thinking that she was dead.

And I was right, Wendy O Williams of the Plasmatics is dead, and this is another Wendy Williams.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 17, 2025 01:50 PM (D7oie)

389 So Hunter go bye bye?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle for festive little hats at March 17, 2025 01:50 PM (BP0cs)

390 Everyone who has had to deal with the same knew in 2020 that FJB had dementia.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 17, 2025 01:49 PM (i24o9)
---
Biden?

There is no Biden, only Dementia!

Posted by: Arch Demon Lord Dementia at March 17, 2025 01:51 PM (krQz2)

391 EndWokeness
WH protest: "Remove this president or there will be violence"
Posted by: Don Black. Message: pardon me

I'll be your huckleberry. Say when.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at March 17, 2025 01:51 PM (4XwPj)

392 391 EndWokeness
WH protest: "Remove this president or there will be violence"
Posted by: Don Black. Message: pardon me

I'll be your huckleberry. Say when.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at March 17, 2025 01:51 PM (4XwPj)

Not correct; the message should say "MORE violence"...

Posted by: RBG, hot as Hell at March 17, 2025 01:52 PM (ynpvh)

393 When it comes down to it Dems are some stupid MF'ers.
Their whole criminal enterprise schtick was :

Ignore subpoenas
Destroy evidence
Make up laws on the fly
Payoffs
Eric Holder and Susan Rice thought they were soo fucking smart.
You can tell ghetto assholes in a heartbeat.
Just expose them to real money
They can not control them selves.
For crissake!
Act like you've been here before shesh!!!

Posted by: I'm Gumby Dmn It! at March 17, 2025 01:52 PM (37aB+)

394 It wasn't used taht way until the GWB administration Office of WH Counsel issued guidance that a president could sign a bill without being physically present via auto pen by giving authorization to a WH official to do it. Obama is the first to actually sign a bill that way. Dunno about Trump I and legislation.

Also dunno about presidential executive orders, proclamations, etc. when they were signed first by Autopen.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 01:44 PM (ctrM5)

He had a(n) (auto)pen and a phone.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 17, 2025 01:52 PM (i24o9)

395 Wendy O Williams of the Plasmatics is dead

...

You can't just drop that on us with no warning like that.

Posted by: TexasDan at March 17, 2025 01:52 PM (z/ifB)

396 Autopen? Nein, lyrics won't work.

Posted by: Kraftwerk at March 17, 2025 01:52 PM (Aqu9a)

397 Can't begin to express how much I love this. No more politics as usual go along get along pretend everything is fine bullshit. I hope PDT and his admin keep punching the establishment ratfucks in the face like this all day every day until the term is over.

Posted by: It's beautiful. at March 17, 2025 01:52 PM (SIX3A)

398 Isn't Hunter in South Africa avoiding a hearing or something?

All I know is that the laws of nature, America, and God do not seem to apply to the Bidens.

Posted by: Seems Legit at March 17, 2025 01:52 PM (PMtkd)

399 From the horse's mouth.

>>@EricLDaugh
·
>>19m
KAITLAN COLLINS: Trump said Biden's last-minute J6 committee pardons are null and void. Did attorneys at the White House tell him he can do this?

>>PRESS SEC LEAVITT: Trump is begging the question you all should be asking if the former president of the United States - who we know was cognitively impaired - did he even know about these pardons? Was his signature used without his consent or knowledge? According to the NYP, Biden officials raised these questions, and wondered if Biden was even consulted on these pardons. Everyone in this room should be looking into it, because that would propose possible criminal, illegal behavior.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2025 01:52 PM (LkLld)

400 But I feel that they are keeping the gifts under false pretenses.

That can go both ways, bitches.

Posted by: nerdygirl at March 17, 2025 01:52 PM (0Htd1)

401 The last thing he wants, the thing he dreads, is for the Supreme Court to serve as the crucible for these kinds of historic decisions.

Right, as I see it he has two overriding principles that he decides everything based on:

1) how will the affect the reputation of MY court and how I am viewed in history
2) Will this be a major revolutionary upheaval or change with significant lasting consequences.

The fact that Roe v Wade even got considered was surprising to me.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:52 PM (2VST1)

402 ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!?

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at March 17, 2025 01:52 PM (17s+e)

403 George Stephanopoulos once said "Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Pretty cool, huh?"

He didn't say "autopen", so there's that.

Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2025 01:53 PM (rj6Yv)

404 No wonder Hunter is hiding out in South Africa.

Posted by: Kestrel.987
......

They have crack in South Africa?

Posted by: wth at March 17, 2025 01:46 PM (v0R5T)

If the CIA is doing its part.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 17, 2025 01:53 PM (i24o9)

405 So many terrorists, so little time...

Posted by: runner ☘ at March 17, 2025 01:53 PM (g47mK)

406 My contention is that, unlike five years ago, there are a whole lot of people ready and willing to defend whatever Trump does on all these issues. And by defend, I mean whatever is necessary. The courts and assorted elected officials need to get that through their thick heads. There was a lot of talk before, but no action. Get in the way in 2025 and things might turn out differently.

Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at March 17, 2025 01:53 PM (MZ+PY)

407
Our two year old grandaughter has just been admitted to the hospital. There is some nasty respiratory stuff going around.

Posted by: four seasons at March 17, 2025 01:53 PM (3ek7K)

408
Tren de Aragua thugs were described as "migrants with tattoos" on the radio news today during the buck and whatever show.

Posted by: Auspex at March 17, 2025 01:53 PM (j4U/Z)

409 Trump is begging the question you all should be asking

...

Ugh. Can someone please help her with that phrase.

Posted by: TexasDan at March 17, 2025 01:53 PM (z/ifB)

410 The fact that Roe v Wade even got considered was surprising to me.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:52 PM (2VST1)

Even that ruling was a sort of punt, saying "how about we just say we don't have anything to do with this and you go away now?"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 17, 2025 01:53 PM (VoAdT)

411 Remember when speaker Johnson revealed that he had gone to see Biden after Biden blocked all US shipments of liquid natural gas to Europe. Johnson wanted to know why he did this as part of an executive order. Johnson said Biden looked at him and said I didn’t do that and when Johnson explained to him and showed him yes you did his part of his executive order. Biden just stared at him. Johnson would make a good witness at the trial.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 17, 2025 01:54 PM (8iYKR)

412 EndWokeness
WH protest: "Remove this president or there will be violence"
Posted by: Don Black. Message: pardon me

I'll be your huckleberry. Say when.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem

When we say that, it might or might not be intimidating.

When 'ettes say it? That scares the crap outta me because' 'ettes aren't prone to hyperbole.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 17, 2025 01:54 PM (BLpWt)

413 And, of course I don't think Trump will win in court. It's court. They're all Party men. But it will force the judiciary to publicly defend Democrat corruption. It's a win, however you cut it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 17, 2025 01:54 PM (BI5O2)

414 402 ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!?
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at March 17, 2025 01:52 PM (17s+e)

/gets popcorn out of the microwave...

Well..... Yes!

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 17, 2025 01:54 PM (QAkQ3)

415 Speaking of, what's the rush? Why does the autopen exist to begin with if not for fraud?
Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Solve sexual compatibility problems by not being whores at March 17, 2025 01:05 PM (iv5Pb)

To 'personally' sign commemoratives or fundraising letters or other mass releases. Not to allow you to bulk pardon people. Trump is right, that needs to go into a permanent record to show that the President is making a positive action.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 17, 2025 01:54 PM (n7h9X)

416 Tren de Aragua thugs were described as "migrants with tattoos" on the radio news today during the buck and whatever show.

Posted by: Auspex at March 17, 2025 01:53 PM (j4U/Z)

----------------

What, "Sparks of Divinity" wasn't available?

Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 17, 2025 01:54 PM (KagPW)

417 Tren de Aragua thugs were described as "migrants with tattoos" on the radio news today during the buck and whatever show.
Posted by: Auspex at March 17, 2025 01:53 PM (j4U/Z)

and the sturmabteilung was just "German students with snazzy shirts".

Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 17, 2025 01:55 PM (VoAdT)

418 Our two year old grandaughter has just been admitted to the hospital

God be with her and watch over her, and your whole family.

Ugh. Can someone please help her with that phrase.

Its been misused so often its starting to become proper English, sadly. Like "Factoid" becoming "small fact" rather than "false thing believed to be fact."

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:55 PM (2VST1)

419 Biden was simultaneously mentally unfit to be questioned in open court AND sharp as a tack when it came to performing his duties

Posted by: Don Black. Message: pardon me at March 17, 2025 01:55 PM (AOsQT)

420 If a top-secret de-classification isn't official without documented notification, neither is a pardon.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 17, 2025 01:55 PM (4bN6g)

421 Oh, and before I leave, the reason why Oregon doesn't have a Lieutenant Governor is because once upon a time the Governor left the state for some reason and left the Lieutenant Governor in charge, who then signed a very politically divisive pardon to a death sentence against the Governor's wishes.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 17, 2025 01:55 PM (D7oie)

422 The fact that Roe v Wade even got considered was surprising to me.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:52 PM (2VST1)

I think that was all Alito.

Posted by: Ordinary American at March 17, 2025 01:55 PM (ZlOcj)

423 four seasons
Praying for her.

Posted by: nerdygirl at March 17, 2025 01:55 PM (0Htd1)

424 God help me, I love these hijinks.

First, the previous administration (radical advisors) tell us all where to look for corruption by issuing "auto pen" signed Clemency Pardons that are vague and all inclusive.

You can't swing a dead cat in DC without hitting some corruption, but they marked the road for us. The fact that it never occurred to them that the process (not the pardons) might be challenged is hilarious.

At the very least, Fauci and Cheney and all the rest of them are going to have present a court case with their own financial resources. I'd love to hear some of the telephone calls that are frantically playing out today. Hilarious.

Posted by: Orson at March 17, 2025 01:55 PM (dIske)

425 Not tired of winning.

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 17, 2025 01:55 PM (mT+6a)

426 > PRESS SEC LEAVITT: Trump is begging the question you all should be asking if the former president of the United States - who we know was cognitively impaired - did he even know about these pardons? Was his signature used without his consent or knowledge? According to the NYP, Biden officials raised these questions, and wondered if Biden was even consulted on these pardons. Everyone in this room should be looking into it, because that would propose possible criminal, illegal behavior.

YES!

I also love that Miss Leavitt properly used the phrase, "begging the question." It really bothers me that most people use the phrase as if it means, "raises the question." It does not.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 17, 2025 01:56 PM (lIio7)

427 I think it is only fair to insist that a presidential pardon have a wet signature, like for example something as tendentious and world shaking as my home mortgage loan paperwork.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 17, 2025 01:56 PM (D7oie)

428 Tren de Aragua thugs were described as "migrants with tattoos" on the radio news today during the buck and whatever show.

Posted by: Auspex at March 17, 2025 01:53 PM (j4U/Z)
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We have a lot of "tattooed citizens" in prison.

Sounds like disparate impact.

Posted by: Axeman at March 17, 2025 01:56 PM (krQz2)

429 The fact that Roe v Wade even got considered was surprising to me.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:52 PM (2VST1)

Thomas pulled a blade on him.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 17, 2025 01:56 PM (n7h9X)

430 What, "Sparks of Divinity" wasn't available?

They were getting their lives together to make a boy band!!!

Even that ruling was a sort of punt, saying "how about we just say we don't have anything to do with this and you go away now?"

It was, but that was the correct ruling. Roe v Wade was described as lousy law even by the guy who wrote the majority opinion and even radical hag Ruth Bader Ginsberg agreed.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:56 PM (2VST1)

431 Trump is begging the question you all should be asking

...

Ugh. Can someone please help her with that phrase.
Posted by: TexasDan at March 17, 2025 01:53 PM

Yeah...that hurt my eyes to read.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 17, 2025 01:56 PM (hOk1M)

432 Eric Daugherty
@EricLDaugh
2m
BREAKING: Congressman Andy Ogles (R-TN) just called on Congress to treat false swatting calls as "domestic terrorism and attempted m*rder."

"Too many of my constituents are being targeted by Leftists, hoping to silence their speech. This is not a game. It’s political violence. Someone could get k*lled. Congress must act NOW."

Posted by: redridinghood at March 17, 2025 01:49 PM (NpAcC)

"Should the government . . . ?"

"No!"

See, e.g., hate crimes prosecutions of ONLY right-leaning individuals.

Not only no, but fuck no.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 17, 2025 01:57 PM (i24o9)

433 Its been misused so often its starting to become proper English, sadly. Like "Factoid" becoming "small fact" rather than "false thing believed to be fact."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:55 PM (2VST1)

I have to stop myself from actually correcting people who say less when they mean fewer. I would live longer if I could relax but who can relax over this crap?

Posted by: TexasDan at March 17, 2025 01:57 PM (z/ifB)

434 @RealJamesWoods
Watching Karoline Levitt skewer the liberal lap dogs and eat them for breakfast is the best entertainment on television. 🍿

CNN: “What proof do you have that Biden’s signature was done with an autopen?”

Karoline: “You’re a reporter. You find out. Next?”

Posted by: Don Black. Message: pardon me at March 17, 2025 01:58 PM (AOsQT)

435 381 Eric Daugherty
@EricLDaugh
2m
BREAKING: Congressman Andy Ogles (R-TN) just called on Congress to treat false swatting calls as "domestic terrorism and attempted m*rder."

As it should be. The other part of this which I don't think is being discussed sufficiently is WHY this is so dangerous and the not insignificant risk of death to nonviolent innocent people at the hands of overly-twitchy and undertrained cops.

Posted by: shoot first assess later at March 17, 2025 01:58 PM (SIX3A)

436 Otto Penn, Sean's even dumber brother.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 17, 2025 01:58 PM (Cus5s)

437 Anything that helps delegitimize our corrupt judiciary in the eyes of the public is a good thing. I hope for a day when every judge and prosecutor looks at the ground when they walk down the street, because they're afraid to look at the lampposts.

I Have A Dream.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 17, 2025 01:58 PM (BI5O2)

438 I can sign a document at work using an electronic signature on a PDF file but it requires my ID and authentication code that only I can provide. No one else can sign use my signature unless I give them my ID, my PC sign in code, and my authentication code which would then render that whole act a security violation and would get me canned. So, still no good.

Posted by: Cheri at March 17, 2025 01:58 PM (oiNtH)

439 408
Tren de Aragua thugs were described as "migrants with tattoos" on the radio news today during the buck and whatever show.

Posted by: Auspex at March 17, 2025 01:53 PM (j4U/Z)

Did they mention how many teardrop tats they had under their eyes?
FYI, teardrop tats can mean the number of people murdered.

Posted by: RBG, hot as Hell at March 17, 2025 01:58 PM (ynpvh)

440 395 Wendy O Williams of the Plasmatics is dead

...

You can't just drop that on us with no warning like that.
Posted by: TexasDan at March 17, 2025 01:52 PM (z/ifB)
___________________________________

I remember as a kid watching some movie with her in it where she's standing on top of a moving school bus wearing basically nothing. It made an impression. My grades improved.

Posted by: Orson at March 17, 2025 01:58 PM (dIske)

441 I think y'all are missing the biggest scandal here: PDT attacked a noted Irish-American, Biden, ON ST. PATRICK'S DAY!!!!!!

Posted by: pookysgirl is wearing green at March 17, 2025 01:59 PM (Wt5PA)

442 I think that was all Alito.
Posted by: Ordinary American at March 17, 2025 01:55 PM (ZlOcj)

God bless him. Now Justice ALito take on the transing of people under 18. It needs to be done.

Posted by: long night...lifted at March 17, 2025 01:59 PM (2NXcZ)

443 Oh, and before I leave, the reason why Oregon doesn't have a Lieutenant Governor is because once upon a time the Governor left the state for some reason and left the Lieutenant Governor in charge, who then signed a very politically divisive pardon to a death sentence against the Governor's wishes.
Posted by: Kindltot at March 17, 2025 01:55 PM (D7oie)

Seems trivial to just say the Lt Governor can't issue pardons. Acting Governors don't get to move into the Governor's house

Posted by: Oldcat at March 17, 2025 01:59 PM (n7h9X)

444 it's a 'power' the Constitution is 'silent' on, meaning the Constitution makes no mention of a situation when or if a President can nullify a Presidential pardon
Posted by: Don Black

If pardoned for a crime they were convicted of, or even charged with, I could see double jeopardy applying.

Hard to apply that to a blanket 10-year pardon though.

Posted by: mikeski at March 17, 2025 01:59 PM (PDzc9)

445 It was, but that was the correct ruling. Roe v Wade was described as lousy law even by the guy who wrote the majority opinion and even radical hag Ruth Bader Ginsberg agreed.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Ginsberg, when a law prof, argued that the 14th Amendment Equal Protection clause should have been used rather the 14th Due Process clause as a basis for the ruling.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 01:59 PM (ctrM5)

446 PRESS SEC LEAVITT: Trump is begging the question you all should be asking if the former president of the United States - who we know was cognitively impaired - did he even know about these pardons? Was his signature used without his consent or knowledge?
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That's not "begging the question". That is asking a question.

Begging the Question is as follows. We are debating whether statement S is true. I say "If you grant me S is true, then we know it is true."

Literally, begging the (statement under) question.

Posted by: Axeman at March 17, 2025 01:59 PM (krQz2)

447 > "Factoid" becoming "small fact" rather than "false thing believed to be fact."

I don't think factoids are necessarily false. I believe it is an unknown thing that has been repeated so often it's assumed to be true.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 17, 2025 01:59 PM (lIio7)

448 As it should be. The other part of this which I don't think is being discussed sufficiently is WHY this is so dangerous and the not insignificant risk of death to nonviolent innocent people at the hands of overly-twitchy and undertrained cops.
Posted by: shoot first assess later at March 17, 2025 01:58 PM (SIX3A)

I would think the police would be on board too, seeing as how they generally don't want to get their asses shot for no reason, either.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 17, 2025 01:59 PM (VoAdT)

449 It is all about the competency of Joeseph Robinette Biden.

If a DoJ official after an interview thought he was an old senile man. If the American public judged him a senile old man after his debate with Trump.

Then any document he signed after that debate should be ruled Null and Void.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 17, 2025 01:59 PM (b1S6W)

450 So another question is can a presidential pardon be issued preemptively?

I mean, isn't that issue itself up for debate or is that a thing now in America?

Has there ever been a preemptive federal pardon before Biden?
I thought the answer was no, but haven't looked it up.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at March 17, 2025 02:00 PM (6ydKt)

451 I'm suspecting that the transfer to El Salvador will have a deterrent effect. It's a very great move.

Posted by: long night...lifted at March 17, 2025 02:00 PM (2NXcZ)

452 Our two year old grandaughter has just been admitted to the hospital. There is some nasty respiratory stuff going around.

Posted by: four seasons at March 17, 2025 01:53 PM (3ek7K)

Godspeed, little one.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 17, 2025 02:00 PM (i24o9)

453 Karoline's response to an "unnamed" French parliamentarian demanding the statue of Liberty back was awesome!

Posted by: runner [☘] at March 17, 2025 02:00 PM (g47mK)

454
Terrible thing to do to a band.
https://youtu.be/Bz61YQWZuYU
Posted by: RBG, hot as Hell at March 17, 2025 01:49 PM (ynpvh)

ACK!!!

You trying to light the place on fire?!?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 17, 2025 02:00 PM (Zz0t1)

455 I also love that Miss Leavitt properly used the phrase, "begging the question." It really bothers me that most people use the phrase as if it means, "raises the question." It does not.
Posted by: bonhomme at March 17, 2025 01:56 PM (lIio7)

no, she hosed it.

"begs the question" means you've made an assumption for a preceeding, unspoken question that really needed to be dealt with first.

But CT is right there is a newer definition that I will not ever admit to.

Posted by: TexasDan at March 17, 2025 02:00 PM (z/ifB)

456 See, e.g., hate crimes prosecutions of ONLY right-leaning individuals.

Not only no, but fuck no.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 17, 2025 01:57 PM (i24o9)

Falsifying a Police Report, which is what a SWATing is, is illegal almost everywhere, but what happens when it is from out of State? Can the Feds now get involved?

Seems like there should already be laws on the books about this... they just need to be enforced.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 17, 2025 02:00 PM (QAkQ3)

457 Does anyone doubt that Biden's aides were making a whole lot of decisions in his name? He could barely put two sentences together. He wasn't running shit most of the time.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2025 02:01 PM (LkLld)

458 I think y'all are missing the biggest scandal here: PDT attacked a noted Irish-American, Biden, ON ST. PATRICK'S DAY!!!!!!

Posted by: pookysgirl is wearing green at March 17, 2025 01:59 PM (Wt5PA)
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Just because of a STUTTER in the autopen!!!

Posted by: Axeman at March 17, 2025 02:01 PM (krQz2)

459 Trump seems to be forcing the Left to be tied up in court for years… pity, that..

Posted by: tubal at March 17, 2025 02:01 PM (PCK5/)

460 270 262 That reporter that hit Trump in the face with a microphone ended up being an NPR reporter who's a rabid transgender activist.

I'm sure it was an accident.

Posted by: Leupold at March 17, 2025 01:32 PM (4pwAx)

It's called battery.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2025 01:34 PM (ynpvh)

Account is on lockdown on X.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at March 17, 2025 02:01 PM (+oiQE)

461 TexasDan,

I have a sister who says, "I seen it."
I love my sister, but every time she does that, I want to scream.

Posted by: nerdygirl at March 17, 2025 02:01 PM (0Htd1)

462 Well, I'm a dummy. Apparently Leavitt is not using begging the question properly.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 17, 2025 02:01 PM (lIio7)

463 I Have A Dream.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 17, 2025 01:58 PM (BI5O2)

You know, two downsides to this plan (which I endorse): crows and flies.

Solutions?

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at March 17, 2025 02:01 PM (/x6eu)

464 And, of course I don't think Trump will win in court. It's court. They're all Party men. But it will force the judiciary to publicly defend Democrat corruption. It's a win, however you cut it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 17, 2025 01:54 PM (BI5O2)

Let them experience "the process is the punishment" for a little while.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 17, 2025 02:02 PM (i24o9)

465 Begging the Question is as follows. We are debating whether statement S is true. I say "If you grant me S is true, then we know it is true."

Literally, begging the (statement under) question.
Posted by: Axeman at March 17, 2025 01:59 PM (krQz2)

it used to be called "beggaring the question", right? as in, you've stripped the content of the question out, assuming it as given, thereby making the question itself not worth asking at all, and therefore worthless, or "beggared".

That's what I thought, anyway.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 17, 2025 02:02 PM (VoAdT)

466 Does anyone doubt that Biden's aides were making a whole lot of decisions in his name? He could barely put two sentences together. He wasn't running shit most of the time.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2025 02:01 PM (LkLld)
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1) Not mentally competent enough to stand trial.

2) His judgment on pardons is sacrosanct.

Posted by: Axeman at March 17, 2025 02:02 PM (krQz2)

467 I don't think factoids are necessarily false.

According to the man who invented the term, it meant "something people thought was true but was not" as in the suffix "-oid" meaning 'similar to but not actually'

But its just become bit of trivia over time, as language changes.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 02:02 PM (2VST1)

468 When 'ettes say it? That scares the crap outta me because' 'ettes aren't prone to hyperbole.
Posted by: rickb223

Women who have children will get very violent very quickly if their kids or grandkids are in danger. These imbeciles threatening violence are basically threatening our kids and grandkids.
Threaten me? I laugh in their faces and tell them to jump whenever they feeling froggy. Threaten my kids and grandkids? I will instantly open up a can of medieval psychotic bitch that will take years of therapy for them to recover.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at March 17, 2025 02:02 PM (4XwPj)

469 As it should be. The other part of this which I don't think is being discussed sufficiently is WHY this is so dangerous and the not insignificant risk of death to nonviolent innocent people at the hands of overly-twitchy and undertrained cops.
Posted by: shoot first assess later at March 17, 2025 01:58 PM (SIX3A)

Its dangerous because cops like to play army and are trigger happy. The idea that when some anonymous person can call a station and the first idea is to bust in like the Marines is absurd. A call like that should never allow that kind of violation without other evidence.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 17, 2025 02:02 PM (n7h9X)

470 Does Mississippi v Johnson, President have any relevance to the El Salvador situation? Or do we think SCOTUS will rule that now, even traffic court judges can issue injunctions against presidential actions?

Posted by: long night...lifted at March 17, 2025 02:02 PM (2NXcZ)

471 407
Our two year old grandaughter has just been admitted to the hospital. There is some nasty respiratory stuff going around.
Posted by: four seasons

Praying for her!

Posted by: Piper at March 17, 2025 02:02 PM (p4NUW)

472 Is it past these people to place some form of poison on the end of a boom mike and stick it in Trump's face? No.

Posted by: Ordinary American at March 17, 2025 02:03 PM (ZlOcj)

473 Tren de Aragua thugs were described as "migrants with tattoos" on the radio news today during the buck and whatever show.
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The Public: I don't trust the media because they lie.
The Media: Those were old lies! Here's some fresh, new lies!

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 17, 2025 02:03 PM (7oyRZ)

474 471 407
Our two year old grandaughter has just been admitted to the hospital. There is some nasty respiratory stuff going around.
Posted by: four seasons

Prayers for the little one...

Posted by: It's me donna at March 17, 2025 02:03 PM (VE6XX)

475 Side bets on how many flee the country to places that don't have an extradition treaty?

1,000 quatloos to the closest guess.

Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at March 17, 2025 02:03 PM (5M/Mg)

476 In the end, I think the courts will find the pardons valid. Roberts will call it a tax.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2025 02:03 PM (ynpvh)

477 interwebs are great!
The cocky conman..

2014: Obama on exec action: 'I've got a pen, and I've got a phone'

https://tinyurl.com/4z2r94tb

Posted by: I'm Gumby Dmn It! at March 17, 2025 02:03 PM (37aB+)

478
Thanks to ya'll for the prayers.

Posted by: four seasons at March 17, 2025 02:03 PM (3ek7K)

479 hands of overly-twitchy and undertrained cops.
Posted by: shoot first assess later at March 17, 2025 01:58 PM (SIX3A)

...

We always throw flashbangs as practice in case we ever need to throw a flashbang.

Posted by: Twitchy, undertrained cops at March 17, 2025 02:04 PM (z/ifB)

480 Yay! Drag Trump into court, assholes, and in discovery prove that Joseph Robinette Biden whatever was competent to enter into legally binding transactions. Popcorn!

Posted by: Deplorable Minion at March 17, 2025 02:04 PM (QSrLX)

481 410 The fact that Roe v Wade even got considered was surprising to me.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 01:52 PM (2VST1)

Even that ruling was a sort of punt, saying "how about we just say we don't have anything to do with this and you go away now?"
Posted by: Warai-otoko
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The 10th Amendment was already cited as a basis for states allowing assisted suicide among other things. Simply put, Roe was, like Dred Scott, an attempt to put a topic (abortion in Roe, Slavery in Dred Scott) beyond the reach of the law and the political process. That is why it failed ultimately and due to DJT's appointments.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 02:04 PM (ctrM5)

482 I would think the police would be on board too, seeing as how they generally don't want to get their asses shot for no reason, either.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 17, 2025 01:59 PM (VoAdT)

You'd think, but yet they've raided Tim Pool like what, five times, with full battle rattle, rifles and paranoia? Apparently no learning, critical thinking, or actual threat assessment is taking place there.

Posted by: Fool me once shame on you, five times is complicity at March 17, 2025 02:04 PM (SIX3A)

483 Is it opposite day at the HQ? Did I miss some inside joke development about saying opposite stuff intending to be humourous? How did I get here?

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 17, 2025 02:04 PM (i24o9)

484 Side bets on how many flee the country to places that don't have an extradition treaty?

1,000 quatloos to the closest guess.
Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at March 17, 2025 02:03 PM

...

I just want Trump to ground Pelosi's plane again while she's on the way to the airport.

Posted by: TexasDan at March 17, 2025 02:05 PM (z/ifB)

485
I would think some sort of competency test for Biden outside the Hurr investigation would be urgently necessary.

Posted by: Auspex at March 17, 2025 02:05 PM (j4U/Z)

486 What did Leavitte say about the Statue of Liberty?

I don't give a shit about that statue. It's ugly and I think has creepy symbolism on it. Also, too many people think the stupid shit written on the bottom is American policy/law.

Just my opinion. YMMV.

On the other hand, it's part of our history. I still can't work up enough emotion to care.

Posted by: Seems Legit at March 17, 2025 02:05 PM (PMtkd)

487 Threaten my kids and I will shoot.

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 17, 2025 02:05 PM (DgDJ3)

488 Does anyone doubt that Biden's aides were making a whole lot of decisions in his name? He could barely put two sentences together. He wasn't running shit most of the time.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2025 02:01 PM (LkLld)

Even worse, the aides were in contending factions bidding to Jill to get access to the autopen. So we had different policies every day.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 17, 2025 02:05 PM (n7h9X)

489 Since we are back on the topic of Jan 6th issues you want to read this article. Part 1 of a series.

https://tinyurl.com/bds73yya

Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2025 02:05 PM (LkLld)

490 I will instantly open up a can of medieval psychotic bitch that will take years of therapy for them to recover IF THEY SURVIVE.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at March 17, 2025 02:02 PM (4XwPj)

FIFY

Posted by: pookysgirl, fellow Mama Bear at March 17, 2025 02:05 PM (Wt5PA)

491 I can sign a document at work using an electronic signature on a PDF file but it requires my ID and authentication code that only I can provide. No one else can sign use my signature unless I give them my ID, my PC sign in code, and my authentication code which would then render that whole act a security violation and would get me canned. So, still no good.
Posted by: Cheri

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Yep. And lots of normal people have had to do similar or other basic things requiring much, much more scrutiny. And people are seeing that "Our Democracy" has established fraud as a key component at every level.

This is utterly brilliant by Trump.

Posted by: Boron Cobbie - Solve sexual compatibility problems by not being whores at March 17, 2025 02:05 PM (iv5Pb)

492 476 In the end, I think the courts will find the pardons valid. Roberts will call it a tax.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at March 17, 2025 02:03 PM (ynpvh)

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He'll say "I'm just following precedent. Bite me."

Posted by: JM in Illinois at March 17, 2025 02:06 PM (QNzNJ)

493 I just want Trump to ground Pelosi's plane again while she's on the way to the airport.
Posted by: TexasDan at March 17, 2025 02:05 PM (z/ifB)
______________________

I know a judge who has that power.

Posted by: Orson at March 17, 2025 02:06 PM (dIske)

494 Simply put, Roe was, like Dred Scott, an attempt to put a topic (abortion in Roe, Slavery in Dred Scott) beyond the reach of the law and the political process

Yeah they were so desperate to murder babies they wanted to lock it in forever outside the ability to question it. Really dark time, and I thought it was never going to end in my lifetime.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 02:06 PM (2VST1)

495 You'd think, but yet they've raided Tim Pool like what, five times, with full battle rattle, rifles and paranoia? Apparently no learning, critical thinking, or actual threat assessment is taking place there.
Posted by: Fool me once shame on you, five times is complicity at March 17, 2025 02:04 PM (SIX3A)

Well, that's just because they've already empirically demonstrated that Tim Pool ain't gonna shoot their asses.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 17, 2025 02:07 PM (VoAdT)

496 France can have the Statute of Liberty back.

but only if they take to Poem Amendment to the Constitution with them.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 17, 2025 02:07 PM (7oyRZ)

497 We always throw flashbangs as practice in case we ever need to throw a flashbang.
Posted by: Twitchy, undertrained cops at March 17, 2025 02:04 PM (z/ifB)

Right into the playpen, nothin' but net!

Posted by: The toddler made a furtive movement at March 17, 2025 02:07 PM (SIX3A)

498 480 Yay! Drag Trump into court, assholes, and in discovery prove that Joseph Robinette Biden whatever was competent to enter into legally binding transactions. Popcorn!
Posted by: Deplorable Minion480
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The Biden junta also did something else that in hindsight will prove to be bad. They waived Trump's executive privilege to allow Jan 6 and DOJ to tramp all over Trump's administration looking for possible charges. Now Trump is prezzie, he can waive executive privilege for both Biden and Obama administrations which allows prying and demanding testimony from all their minions including the Autopen guy.

Obstruction charges if they do not answer or lie in grand jury investigations.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 02:07 PM (ctrM5)

499 > According to the man who invented the term, it meant "something people thought was true but was not" as in the suffix "-oid" meaning 'similar to but not actually'

Google says Norman Mailer's definition is, "facts which have no existence before appearing in a magazine or newspaper." His definition is narrower than either of ours.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 17, 2025 02:07 PM (lIio7)

500
The Biden administration would have sent the auto-pen out with the White House Easter bunny if they could have.

Posted by: Frank Barone at March 17, 2025 02:07 PM (+oR7L)

501 457 Does anyone doubt that Biden's aides were making a whole lot of decisions in his name? He could barely put two sentences together. He wasn't running shit most of the time.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2025 02:01 PM (LkLld)

Gee, I hope none of them were unelected oligarchs.

Posted by: Emmie at March 17, 2025 02:08 PM (Sf2cq)

502 >@EndWokeness
WH protest: "Remove this president or there will be violence"
Posted by: Don Black. Message: pardon me at March 17, 2025 01:44 PM (AOsQT)

Let's go!

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at March 17, 2025 02:08 PM (FLFV/)

503 Also, too many people think the stupid shit written on the bottom is American policy/law.

Trump should have that plaque removed and dropped into an ocean trench.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 02:08 PM (2VST1)

504 On the other hand, it's part of our history. I still can't work up enough emotion to care.
Posted by: Seems Legit at March 17, 2025 02:05 PM (PMtkd)

Screw it. Ship it back via DHL and send them the bill.

Replace it with a great big f*ck off copper moose.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 17, 2025 02:08 PM (VoAdT)

505 Discovery! Let's discover what President Biden was prescribed since, I don;t know, the late 1900's! What? How much? When? How often? By whom?

And let's see the records, due diligence, comments, x-rays, MRI's. What am I leaving out?

Posted by: Deplorable Minion at March 17, 2025 02:08 PM (QSrLX)

506 I love my sister, but every time she does that, I want to scream.

Posted by: nerdygirl at March 17, 2025 02:01 PM (0Htd1)

I have one who says,"supposebly."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 17, 2025 02:09 PM (L5An7)

507 Thanks to ya'll for the prayers.
Posted by: four seasons at March 17, 2025 02:03 PM (3ek7K)

I always hate it when it's the little ones........

Prayers up.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 17, 2025 02:09 PM (Zz0t1)

508 407
Our two year old grandaughter has just been admitted to the hospital. There is some nasty respiratory stuff going around.
Posted by: four seasons
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May her recovery be swift and may the doctors and nurses in her case be skillful.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 02:09 PM (ctrM5)

509 it used to be called "beggaring the question", right? as in, you've stripped the content of the question out, assuming it as given, thereby making the question itself not worth asking at all, and therefore worthless, or "beggared".

That's what I thought, anyway.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 17, 2025 02:02 PM (VoAdT)
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That is a parallels construction that seems to exist within the same time period. Mostly used "to beggar the question" so as an infinitive phrase.

There is just no need to borrowing a misunderstood phrase for "begs the question [to be asked]" when "prompts the question" or even "asks the question" are better constructions.

Posted by: Axeman at March 17, 2025 02:09 PM (krQz2)

510 I really like Trump's approach here making it about the pardons and not nullifying the entire Presidency a la the birth certificate. The really nice thing is Biden can't even come out and defend himself because he's a vegetable. More shade on the evil vile Democrat party. We need this.

Posted by: ... at March 17, 2025 02:09 PM (lX8VI)

511 Two issues that I see:

1) Autopen used on these pardons. Who actually authorized these?

2) Handing out blanket pardons for crimes that may have been committed during a ten year period with no actual convictions.

Posted by: Cheri at March 17, 2025 02:09 PM (oiNtH)

512 457 Does anyone doubt that Biden's aides were making a whole lot of decisions in his name? He could barely put two sentences together. He wasn't running shit most of the time.
Posted by: JackStraw

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I have been led to believe that most of a President's day is directed by staff -- who to meet, what to sign, what to say,.....

Sure, they pick the staff and run the meetings and set the goals, but like Senators they have become "celebrity" figureheads.

I think Trump 45 trusted the system and now things are different. But with Biden, well he was not even engaged with that staff. He had no idea and at best went through the motions without giving any direction to the people who were running things.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at March 17, 2025 02:09 PM (9E8yC)

513 Every other republican: This will never work. The courts will strike it down. It'll be a tough fight. Why bother.

Trump: Fuck it, WE'RE DOING IT LIVE!

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 17, 2025 02:09 PM (KbCG3)

514 but only if they take to Poem Amendment to the Constitution with them.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 17, 2025 02:07 PM (7oyRZ)
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dynamite the pedestal and let France salvage the copper once the statute is in the water.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 17, 2025 02:09 PM (tT6L1)

515 >>Gee, I hope none of them were unelected oligarchs.

Worse. We had corrupt smooth brains like Jake Sullivan running foreign policy.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2025 02:09 PM (LkLld)

516 Anybody seen Joe ?

Posted by: It's me donna at March 17, 2025 02:09 PM (VE6XX)

517 It will be interesting to see how far this goes. If they can narrow down any one of these "auto-pen" edicts to a single (or even a handful of advisors), they are going to have to make a decision as to whether to fall on their sword or provide context as to where the directive came from....

That makes this a very serious issue, not just on the individual edicts, but who is playing puppet master (names we all know).

Posted by: Orson at March 17, 2025 02:09 PM (dIske)

518 Trump should have that plaque removed and dropped into an ocean trench.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Send the plaque to France. They might find it useful or something to admit waves of Islamists.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 02:10 PM (ctrM5)

519 love my sister, but every time she does that, I want to scream.

Posted by: nerdygirl at March 17, 2025 02:01 PM (0Htd1)

I always thought that was an Indiana thing.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at March 17, 2025 02:10 PM (4XwPj)

520 Falsifying a Police Report, which is what a SWATing is, is illegal almost everywhere, but what happens when it is from out of State? Can the Feds now get involved?

Seems like there should already be laws on the books about this... they just need to be enforced.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 17, 2025 02:00 PM (QAkQ3)

There are numerous laws, no doubt, that could be prosecuted, should the political will be there. This is a "we did something about it" act, which will be used as a cudgel against right-leaning people only.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 17, 2025 02:10 PM (i24o9)

521 France can have the Statute of Liberty back.

but only if they take to Poem Amendment to the Constitution with them.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 17, 2025 02:07 PM (7oyRZ)

*fistbump*

Posted by: Jm J Acosta at March 17, 2025 02:10 PM (Zz0t1)

522 Trump should have that plaque removed and dropped into an ocean trench.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 02:08 PM (2VST1)

The stuff that the woman from a slavery supportive father wrote? The guy who killed kids with swill milk?

Posted by: long night...lifted at March 17, 2025 02:10 PM (2NXcZ)

523 513 Every other republican: This will never work. The courts will strike it down. It'll be a tough fight. Why bother.

Trump: Fuck it, WE'RE DOING IT LIVE!
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 17, 2025 02:09 PM (KbCG3)

Proactive Defeatism… That is so last year..l

Posted by: tubal at March 17, 2025 02:10 PM (PCK5/)

524 I have one who says,"supposebly."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 17, 2025 02:09 PM (L5An7)
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I accept that one, if they are not talking about something already taken to be the case (supposed), but something capable of being supposed).

Posted by: Axeman at March 17, 2025 02:10 PM (krQz2)

525 I have one who says,"supposebly."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 17, 2025 02:09 PM (L5An7)
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Minnesotian: "We're going to the store. Want to come with?"

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 17, 2025 02:11 PM (tT6L1)

526 Prayers for the little one, four seasons.

Influenza A has been going around up here. It’s nasty, but treatable.

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 17, 2025 02:11 PM (DgDJ3)

527 I have a sister who says, "I seen it."
I love my sister, but every time she does that, I want to scream.
Posted by: nerdygirl at March 17, 2025 02:01 PM (0Htd1)

I seent that shit!

Posted by: Ghetto Fabulous at March 17, 2025 02:11 PM (Zz0t1)

528 Begging the Question is as follows. We are debating whether statement S is true. I say "If you grant me S is true, then we know it is true."

Literally, begging the (statement under) question.
Posted by: Axeman at March 17, 2025 01:59 PM (krQz2)

it used to be called "beggaring the question", right? as in, you've stripped the content of the question out, assuming it as given, thereby making the question itself not worth asking at all, and therefore worthless, or "beggared".

That's what I thought, anyway.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 17, 2025 02:02 PM (VoAdT)

Bill Safire would often devote an entire column to grammar usage for language used in a news topic's coverage, such as the reaction to his phrase "congenital liar" used in reference to a Hillary Clinton statement (Slick said he'd like to punch Safire in the nose for that one).

Posted by: mrp at March 17, 2025 02:11 PM (rj6Yv)

529 Ginsberg, when a law prof, argued that the 14th Amendment Equal Protection clause should have been used rather the 14th Due Process clause as a basis for the ruling.
Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 01:59 PM (ctrM5)

That's stupid, as obviously the child is NOT getting equal protection in the case of abortion. The law can't neglect the fetal rights just because somebody's gonna kill them.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 17, 2025 02:11 PM (n7h9X)

530 Statue of Liberty stays.

Posted by: runner at March 17, 2025 02:11 PM (g47mK)

531 How many J6 defendants did the ACLU support?

/rhetorical

Posted by: ShainS -- The Dissolution of The Autopen Empire at March 17, 2025 02:11 PM (LuNqc)

532 >>I have one who says,"supposebly."

You can't see the forest through the trees.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2025 02:11 PM (LkLld)

533 517 It will be interesting to see how far this goes. If they can narrow down any one of these "auto-pen" edicts to a single (or even a handful of advisors), they are going to have to make a decision as to whether to fall on their sword or provide context as to where the directive came from....

That makes this a very serious issue, not just on the individual edicts, but who is playing puppet master (names we all know).
Posted by: Orson
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In the past, even when the presidents were of different parties, they protected the executive privilege of past administrations because in turn they did not want theirs pried into. Biden broke that understanding with Trump and thus Trump can waive any or all executive privilege protections to compel testimony of who knew what and when in the Biden junta and ALL of their messaging, phone call logs, etc.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 02:12 PM (ctrM5)

534 Buggering the question… Who does that!!

Posted by: tubal at March 17, 2025 02:12 PM (PCK5/)

535
Influenza A has been going around up here. It’s nasty, but treatable.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 17, 2025 02:11 PM (DgDJ3)

First Lady had it. We went to the ER, but they got the fever down and she was released after a few hours.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 17, 2025 02:12 PM (Zz0t1)

536 Posted some more images for St. Patrick's Day

https://tensor.art/u/727481333235843246

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 17, 2025 02:12 PM (b1S6W)

537 MTG was swatted multiple times, I don't recall reading about prosecutions. Were there any?

Posted by: long night...lifted at March 17, 2025 02:12 PM (2NXcZ)

538 536 Posted some more images for St. Patrick's Day

https://tensor.art/u/727481333235843246
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 17, 2025 02:12 PM (b1S6W)

Drunken Micks lying in a puddle of vomit??

Posted by: tubal at March 17, 2025 02:13 PM (PCK5/)

539 ‘Facsimile, that’s all you are now, a black stain of dark design. Go to the place prepared for you.’
- ole debil

Posted by: Eromero at March 17, 2025 02:13 PM (LHPAg)

540 First Lady had it. We went to the ER, but they got the fever down and she was released after a few hours.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 17, 2025 02:12 PM (Zz0t1)
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After all you've gone through with the FIRST! lady, I'm surprised you're not curled in a ball in the corner.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 17, 2025 02:13 PM (tT6L1)

541
Trump should have that plaque removed and dropped into an ocean trench.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 02:08 PM (2VST1)

-- --

The population of the U.S. was 76,000,000 in 1900.
It was a different world with a different need for immigrants who were let in by the millions.

We're probably close to 350,000,000 today if you add all of the illegals in.

It's a different world now, and nobody should be that sentimental and dedicated to a poem on the bottom of a 144 year old colossal statute.

I read a story early about a young French politician calling for us to give the Statue back because we no longer stand for liberty.

Hilarious.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at March 17, 2025 02:13 PM (6ydKt)

542 That's stupid, as obviously the child is NOT getting equal protection in the case of abortion. The law can't neglect the fetal rights just because somebody's gonna kill them.
Posted by: Oldcat

The argument she had in a law review piece from memory was that the 14th and the Civil Rights Act dealt with sex discrimination and since only women gave birth, then it was a violation of equal protection clause to make women bear children against their will because men are not subject to the same burden. That is from memory as I last read that tripe in the 90's during a legal theory class.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 02:14 PM (ctrM5)

543 "We're going to the store. Want to come with?"

we's holding a visual for our homey

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle for festive little hats at March 17, 2025 02:14 PM (CXi6n)

544 515 >>Gee, I hope none of them were unelected oligarchs.

Worse. We had corrupt smooth brains like Jake Sullivan running foreign policy.
Posted by: JackStraw at March 17, 2025 02:09 PM (LkLld)

I'm mocking the left for reeeeing about unelected Musk openly carrying out Trump's policies that we voted for while shadowy globalists have been running the previous presidencies since ????? I don't know when.

Posted by: Emmie at March 17, 2025 02:14 PM (Sf2cq)

545 Tubal

Nope

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 17, 2025 02:14 PM (b1S6W)

546 Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at March 17, 2025 02:02 PM

Cut. Jib. Newsletter?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 17, 2025 02:14 PM (hOk1M)

547 MTG was swatted multiple times, I don't recall reading about prosecutions. Were there any?
Posted by: long night...lifted at March 17, 2025 02:12 PM (2NXcZ)

The pre-paid burner phone is the magic device that allows all crimes to be unpunishable.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 17, 2025 02:15 PM (Zz0t1)

548 Does anyone doubt that Biden's aides were making a whole lot of decisions in his name? He could barely put two sentences together. He wasn't running shit most of the time.
Posted by: JackStraw
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I made a prediction (for what it's worth) in early 2020 that Biden would never be the acting president. And I've seen nothing to change that.

Just imagine if Trump uttered "I'm going to get in trouble"--do you think that it would be "reading too much into a simple remark", if he did it?

I think everybody knows the answer to how much relative scrutiny the two "presidents" get for every stray word from their mouth.

Posted by: Axeman at March 17, 2025 02:15 PM (krQz2)

549 How about we just saw that lame ass torch off and replace it with a luxurious, rampant flipped bird?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 17, 2025 02:15 PM (VoAdT)

550
After all you've gone through with the FIRST! lady, I'm surprised you're not curled in a ball in the corner.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 17, 2025 02:13 PM (tT6L1)

Me as well, honestly......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 17, 2025 02:15 PM (Zz0t1)

551 Actually even the pre-paid burner phone is not fool proof.

Oh they paid cash? At Wal-Mart? Roll the security footage.

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 17, 2025 02:16 PM (b1S6W)

552 If all those judicial appointments were signed by autopen, does that make those seats vacant?

Posted by: Iblis at March 17, 2025 02:16 PM (9221z)

553 I have had many bosses who were idiots (haven't we all!) and after a bit you learn to just ignore their blustering and idiot statements.

Biden seems like the kind of guy that got ignored *a lot* by staff. So then who was in charge? Even if he understood what was going on, any input by him would be nonsense and stupid. And I am talking about him at his very best -- like when he said to the public to just buy a shotgun and shoot through the door if a stranger knocks.

Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at March 17, 2025 02:16 PM (9E8yC)

554 537 MTG was swatted multiple times, I don't recall reading about prosecutions. Were there any?
Posted by: long night...lifted
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None. The Feds did not get involved and the locals lacked the ability to track the perps via vpns, etc. Given phone spoofing, the perps could even be foreign hackers for hire.

It is a serious problem with VOIP phones that 911 calls can originate from non associated addresses or identified cell phones.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 02:16 PM (ctrM5)

555 545 Tubal

Nope
Posted by: Anna Puma at March 17, 2025 02:14 PM (b1S6W)

Ah.. I looked.. MUCH better than bunch of drunken Micks lying in puddles of vomit!!

Posted by: tubal at March 17, 2025 02:16 PM (PCK5/)

556 The Biden junta also did something else that in hindsight will prove to be bad. They waived Trump's executive privilege to allow Jan 6 and DOJ to tramp all over Trump's administration looking for possible charges. Now Trump is prezzie, he can waive executive privilege for both Biden and Obama administrations which allows prying and demanding testimony from all their minions including the Autopen guy.

Obstruction charges if they do not answer or lie in grand jury investigations.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 02:07 PM (ctrM5)

I had forgotten about that. It's another Trumpmas miracle!

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 17, 2025 02:16 PM (i24o9)

557 The pre-paid burner phone is the magic device that allows all crimes to be unpunishable.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Cancer at March 17, 2025 02:15 PM (Zz0t1

So that is the SOP.

Posted by: long night...lifted at March 17, 2025 02:17 PM (2NXcZ)

558 Nood

Posted by: Thanatopsis at March 17, 2025 02:17 PM (GYt5+)

559 What did Leavitte say about the Statue of Liberty?

I don't give a shit about that statue. It's ugly and I think has creepy symbolism on it. Also, too many people think the stupid shit written on the bottom is American policy/law.
--------------------

Just add a new line.

"But if you try and sneak in the golden back door or golden window, I'm getting my shotgun"

Posted by: Oldcat at March 17, 2025 02:18 PM (n7h9X)

560 I love my sister, but every time she does that, I want to scream.

Posted by: nerdygirl at March 17, 2025 02:01 PM (0Htd1)

I have one who says,"supposebly."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 17, 2025 02:09 PM (L5An7)

It's the same, for all intensive purposes.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 17, 2025 02:18 PM (i24o9)

561 What did Leavitte say about the Statue of Liberty?

Posted by: Seems Legit at March 17, 2025 02:05 PM (PMtkd)
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https://tinyurl.com/3h8e3r9y

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at March 17, 2025 02:18 PM (copfg)

562 Karoline Leavitt was asked about the French weenie who wants the Statue of Liberty returned to France.

"It's only because of the United States of America that the French are not speaking German right now."

https://tinyurl.com/2xtc52zb

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at March 17, 2025 02:18 PM (paSBy)

563 love my sister, but every time she does that, I want to scream.

When I was in 5th grade we got a new principal who was from the northeast somewhere. He insisted that all the children must "warsh" their hands. Drove me nuts, there's NO R IN THAT WORD AND YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE AN EDUCATOR

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 17, 2025 02:18 PM (2VST1)

564 552 If all those judicial appointments were signed by autopen, does that make those seats vacant?
Posted by: Iblis

If this was a normal private law case, basically any action done by a person who was unable to consent to actions mentally would be in question. In public law, this is unprecedented at the federal level though possible at the state level. I mentioned in an earlier thread Circuit Judge Pickering was the first successful impeachment and removal from office due to insanity/dementia. But, they did not go back and overturn his decisions,etc. based on him being insane at the time of ruling on those.

Courts like metaphors and one is that you cannot unring a bell once it is rung.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 02:19 PM (ctrM5)

565 Buggering the question… Who does that!!

Posted by: tubal at March 17, 2025 02:12 PM (PCK5/)

Ask Me! Ask Me!

Posted by: Pete BootyGigg at March 17, 2025 02:20 PM (L5An7)

566 The argument she had in a law review piece from memory was that the 14th and the Civil Rights Act dealt with sex discrimination and since only women gave birth, then it was a violation of equal protection clause to make women bear children against their will because men are not subject to the same burden. That is from memory as I last read that tripe in the 90's during a legal theory class.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 02:14 PM (ctrM5)
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And that one would have been flat out stupid.

Because it would have gone further into the considering of sex as a fundamental difference under law.

What about "people with elderly parents" as a group? Can they just put their parents down simply because they are the group that is unevenly burdened by statutes against euthanasia?

So, you're saying that law can treat sex as a special case, instead of the lack of discriminating based on sex.

"Intelligent" people really get turned around with words, sometimes.

Like I said in a prior thread, the reason the Constitution should be reinterpreted for each generation is the "veneration" of [a 200-year old ratty old, moth-eaten document].

Posted by: Axeman at March 17, 2025 02:21 PM (krQz2)

567 None. The Feds did not get involved and the locals lacked the ability to track the perps via vpns, etc. Given phone spoofing, the perps could even be foreign hackers for hire.

It is a serious problem with VOIP phones that 911 calls can originate from non associated addresses or identified cell phones.
Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 02:16 PM (ctrM5)

The solution is to forbid raids to be done based on anonymous phone tips. Call the guy, ask what's up, arrange a convo off the property at most.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 17, 2025 02:21 PM (n7h9X)

568 349 @EndWokeness
WH protest: "Remove this president or there will be violence"
Posted by: Don Black. Message: pardon me at March 17, 2025 01:44 PM (AOsQT)

Sounds insurrectiony.

Posted by: Emmie at March 17, 2025 02:21 PM (Sf2cq)

569 Buggering the question… Who does that!!

Posted by: tubal at March 17, 2025 02:12 PM (PCK5/)

Sickos and wierdos, that's who.

Posted by: Couch Fucker at March 17, 2025 02:21 PM (i24o9)

570 Buggering the question… Who does that!!

Posted by: tubal at March 17, 2025 02:12 PM (PCK5/)

Ask Me! Ask Me!
Posted by: Pete BootyGigg at March 17, 2025 02:20 PM (L5An7)
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The fuck you do!

Posted by: Steke Ditko's "The Question" (the model or Rorschach) at March 17, 2025 02:22 PM (krQz2)

571 The pre-paid burner phone is the magic device that allows all crimes to be unpunishable.
Posted by: Sponge
======
More likely VOIP via hacking even from international hackers for hire. I think one guy got busted recently and he was basically a swatter for hire. He had done dozens if not hundreds of such calls for pay (can't remember) for people all across the US to swat their enemies.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 02:22 PM (ctrM5)

572 But, they did not go back and overturn his decisions,etc. based on him being insane at the time of ruling on those.

Courts like metaphors and one is that you cannot unring a bell once it is rung.
Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 02:19 PM (ctrM5)

Catholics ran into that one in the early church. When bishops and priests were found heretical, the people they married remained married and the priests they created were still priests.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 17, 2025 02:24 PM (n7h9X)

573 The fact that Roe v Wade even got considered was surprising to me.

I feel that was done to galvanize the Left into action for the mid term elections.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 17, 2025 02:27 PM (WPL6O)

574 If all those judicial appointments were signed by autopen, does that make those seats vacant?
Posted by: Iblis

I could see saying 'yes' to that. If you don't have the time to look at the sheet long enough to see the name and compare it to the list of judges, you need to budget your time better.

Lincoln used to complain about having to decide who would be in charge of every post office.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 17, 2025 02:28 PM (n7h9X)

575 20 I was wondering why no one was making hay of this in the final days of the Biden administration.

I imagine it would have been more effective then than now.

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They saved the worst ones for Jan. 20th at 11 am.

Posted by: Midnight Rambler at March 17, 2025 02:30 PM (xverI)

576 Karoline Leavitt was asked about the French weenie who wants the Statue of Liberty returned to France.

"It's only because of the United States of America that the French are not speaking German right now."

https://tinyurl.com/2xtc52zb
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at March 17, 2025 02:18 PM (paSBy)

You don't get to take back a gift just because a tiny minority of dictators get annoyed.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 17, 2025 02:31 PM (n7h9X)

577 And that one would have been flat out stupid.

Because it would have gone further into the considering of sex as a fundamental difference under law.

What about "people with elderly parents" as a group? Can they just put their parents down simply because they are the group that is unevenly burdened by statutes against euthanasia?

So, you're saying that law can treat sex as a special case, instead of the lack of discriminating based on sex.

"Intelligent" people really get turned around with words, sometimes.

Like I said in a prior thread, the reason the Constitution should be reinterpreted for each generation is the "veneration" of [a 200-year old ratty old, moth-eaten document].
Posted by: Axeman

You have no idea. basically, judges created classes where the laws do not apply equally if the class affected is suspect (e.g. oppression index here). Even the critical theorists did not create that, it was judges since FDR.

Posted by: whig at March 17, 2025 02:33 PM (ctrM5)

578 20 I was wondering why no one was making hay of this in the final days of the Biden administration.

I imagine it would have been more effective then than now.

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They saved the worst ones for Jan. 20th at 11 am.
Posted by: Midnight Rambler at March 17, 2025 02:30 PM (xverI)

You don't warn the enemy and give them months to prepare. That's why the Ukrainian offensives tend to fail badly.

Posted by: Oldcat at March 17, 2025 02:33 PM (n7h9X)

579 Neat, now how about that Epstein list?

Posted by: Dalton DeBloom at March 17, 2025 02:36 PM (Vu7A1)

580 Yep

Posted by: Israel First at March 17, 2025 03:22 PM (bFutY)

581 Significant commerce has been avoiding the Red Sea passage for well over a year. Insurance rates for high value ships and cargo forced shipping to take the long route around Africa. Only relatively low value commodities have taken the shorter path.

Houthis were initially targeting any ship that was affiliated with Israel in any way. When this started, France was escorting their ships through, but they stopped.

Egypt is getting fucked by the loss of Suez traffic; the toll is like $500k - $1m per ship.

Europe should be taking the lead on this, but they are helpless and have no will to do so. If we get involved, we should fuck the Houthis hard, along with Iran.
IF. WE. GET. INVOLVED.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 17, 2025 03:31 PM (ufFY8)

582 Mark my words, Trump knows who the staffer is, who ran the auto-pen.

Posted by: Mutnodjmet at March 17, 2025 03:41 PM (duHLz)

583 I read a story early about a young French politician calling for us to give the Statue back because we no longer stand for liberty.

Hilarious.
Posted by: SpeakingOf at March 17, 2025 02:13 PM (6ydKt)

ESAD, frog. We paid for YOUR liberty with the blood of our sons in two world wars. Go fuck yourselves.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at March 17, 2025 03:55 PM (dgRL6)

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