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FBI Scientist Explains Why American Intelligence Now Favors the Lab Leak Theory (and In Fact Always Did)
The CIA also concluded with "low confidence" that the virus was cooked up in Fauci's Wuhan branch, but that finding was suppressed by Biden, and only revealed when John Ratcliffe became CIA Director.
But at every turn, Vanity Fair attempts to undermine the scoop this FBI scientist has delivered to them. Here's how Vanity Fair spins this revelation to its readers: Somehow, this is all Trump's fault, doncha know:As bird flu spreads, and Team Trump begins dismantling America's public health apparatus, a former FBI scientist and investigator speaks out about the evidence that led the bureau to suspect that COVID-19 was sparked by an incident at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.America's public health apparatus has lied to us for five years and hasn't done jack squat to contain any viral outbreak. In fact, it created the biggest one of all time. It's time to shut it all down. Despite their efforts to undermine him, the scientist's disclosures badly damage the Fake Consensus of a wet-market "spillover."
Vanity Fair can now report that FBI scientists closely scrutinized the research activities of a group of graduate students and researchers who worked under Shi Zhengli, the lead coronavirus scientist at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). For at least three years prior to the pandemic, those scientists performed risky research on a group of viruses that included one of the closest known relatives to SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19. The FBI found that Shi's researchers, in their publications, were not candid about the inventory of viruses in their possession and the true breadth of their work, which was conducted in labs with a low biosafety level. The intelligence community also determined that, in the autumn of 2019, three of Shi's researchers fell ill with COVID-like symptoms.More spin from VF: They want you to continue trusting Saint Anthony Fauci. Don't believe these FBI Science-Liars!
WIV scientists, Bannan says, had "thousands of samples in their lab" that they'd collected from bats in Yunnan Province in southern China. The WIV had been researching them "for years," he says. Among them were viruses closely related to SARS-CoV-2. Intelligence agencies still don't have a complete picture of which virus samples were housed at the WIV. But the scientists' "lack of candor" about their inventory, as well as their years of work manipulating coronaviruses to determine the changes necessary to infect humans, added to the circumstantial evidence indicating that the outbreak might have started among the WIV's researchers. Shi Zhengli and a WIV administrator did not respond to requests for comment.
A moderate-confidence assessment does not equal certainty. Nor does it mean that the FBI is correct. Typically, it means that an intelligence agency has information that is "plausible," with sources that are "proving to be high quality," but it may need more sources to reach a high-confidence assessment, says Shawn Turner, former public affairs director for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence under President Obama. "We were not asked to prove anything," says Bannan. "We were asked to make an assessment," which involves the weighing of evidence. Though he considers a natural origin possible, he says, "To me, there is enough scientific evidence to say it is likely this was a lab incident." Bannan, a registered Democrat, has a PhD in microbiology, and spent almost 20 years as an FBI scientist. In 2009, he was among the recipients of the FBI Director's Award for outstanding scientific advancement for his work on the anthrax investigation. He says he decided to come forward for several reasons. One was to counter what he described as inaccurate claims espoused by some proponents of the natural-origin theory, their discrediting of government scientists, and the branding of the lab hypothesis as a right-wing conspiracy theory. He also wanted to counter what he described as the bias toward a natural spillover in the government's reviews to date, and the sidelining of scientific evidence supporting a laboratory origin. ... Shi tracked the origin of the outbreak to horseshoe bats. Her research--some of it funded by the National Institutes of Health through an American nonprofit named EcoHealth Alliance--found some bat viruses that could infect human cells through a protein called the ACE2 receptor. In March 2020, when Bannan was assigned to assist the FBI team investigating COVID-19's origins, the group confronted an obvious question. How had a bat virus seemingly primed to infect humans arrived in Wuhan in the first place? The bats in question are not believed to be native to Wuhan, and many of the horseshoe bats that Shi studied lived roughly 1,000 miles to the southwest, in Yunnan Province. ... With COVID-19, however, no infected animal has ever been identified, despite an extensive search. As Bannan puts it, "How and where the SARS-CoV-2 virus became well adapted to humans is the question that compels scientists to examine the laboratory origin." ... The WIV team hunted far and wide for bat-coronavirus samples, but one source in particular--an abandoned mine shaft in the mountains of Mojiang County in Yunnan Province--stood out to Bannan and the FBI scientists. In 2012, six miners became gravely ill after shoveling bat guano from the floor of the mine shaft. Their symptoms included cough, fever, and labored breathing. They were treated at the First Affiliated Hospital at the Kunming Medical University in Yunnan's capital, where a medical student chronicled details of the incident in a thesis. The pulmonologist who consulted on their case was one of China's top SARS experts. Suspecting a viral SARS infection, Dr. Zhong Nanshan learned that the guano came from rufous horseshoe bats, the same species implicated in the 2002 SARS outbreak. Within months, three of the six miners were dead. The WIV tested their blood samples and found four of them positive for SARS antibodies, according to a separate thesis by a graduate student at China's Center for Disease Control and Prevention. The mine shaft became a hot spot for studying viral emergence, and the WIV collected numerous samples from there, including one it named Ra4991. Six years later, with SARS-CoV-2 overtaking the world and an army of scientists searching for a progenitor virus, Shi Zhengli and several colleagues published a paper noting that the WIV possessed a viral sample they had named RaTG13, which proved to be 96.2% similar to SARS-CoV-2. That meant RaTG13 was the closest known match at the time to the virus that caused COVID-19. What Shi failed to mention in her paper was that RaTG13 had been renamed. Its original name was Ra4991--the virus from the abandoned mine shaft where three miners likely contracted a fatal illness. As internet sleuths connected the dots between RaTG13 and Ra4991, Shi updated her published work, and tried to explain the omission.
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They knew. They lied.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at March 12, 2025 04:25 PM (aPBRN)
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How did my comment disappear?
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at March 12, 2025 04:25 PM (aPBRN)
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And now it's back.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at March 12, 2025 04:26 PM (aPBRN)
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Off to nood
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at March 12, 2025 04:26 PM (aPBRN)
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and back
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at March 12, 2025 04:26 PM (aPBRN)
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Why is Fauci not being charged? Where's Bondi?
Why is Fauci not being charged? Where's Bondi?
Posted by: Auspex at March 12, 2025 04:26 PM (j4U/Z)
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Hmm
Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at March 12, 2025 04:26 PM (pT5xB)
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It seems that the media is still all in on pushing the lies that it wasn't a lab leak, but the deepstate has decided it's time for the "Oh, that's old news, everyone knew that" gambit.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at March 12, 2025 04:27 PM (aPBRN)
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The FBI does know a thing or two about lying.
Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2025 04:29 PM (npXNI)
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Vanity Fairy misspelled apparatchik.
Posted by: CZ = FNG, Free Republic of Florida at March 12, 2025 04:29 PM (MkuC5)
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Crew 10 crew about to head to the pad:
https://tinyurl.com/25uxzhuo
They'll be riding to the pad in Teslas.
Crew 10 crew about to head to the pad:
https://tinyurl.com/25uxzhuo
They'll be riding to the pad in Teslas.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at March 12, 2025 04:29 PM (w6EFb)
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It's racist to say that the Chinese government is using American money to perform gain of function research on Chinese ground in order to elude American law.
It's not racist to say that the Chinese are a dirty people who will eat anything at wet markets.
*the more you know*
*rainbow*
It's not racist to say that the Chinese are a dirty people who will eat anything at wet markets.
*the more you know*
*rainbow*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 12, 2025 04:29 PM (GBKbO)
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Alina Chan called it in 2020. Anybody doubting that after her work (which is literally molecular biology) was either willfully ignorant or a liar.
Yes, I am including Wikipedia, which still gives the last word to the deboonkers.
Yes, I am including Wikipedia, which still gives the last word to the deboonkers.
Posted by: gKWVE at March 12, 2025 04:29 PM (gKWVE)
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>>Why is Fauci not being charged? Where's Bondi?
He was Pardoned.
It would be up to a State AG.
And they would be lucky not to have a Federal Court swallow up their attempt at bringing charges in a State Court.
He was Pardoned.
It would be up to a State AG.
And they would be lucky not to have a Federal Court swallow up their attempt at bringing charges in a State Court.
Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2025 04:30 PM (npXNI)
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They're in the No Retractions phase.
If they published an obituary for someone by mistake, the best they could do was add them into the births in the next day's paper.
If they published an obituary for someone by mistake, the best they could do was add them into the births in the next day's paper.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 12, 2025 04:30 PM (VNX3d)
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These stories from places like Vanity fair remind me of Rupert Murdock running the hitler diary story. His editors told him that they couldn't verify it and he said "I'll sell papers on the story and then I'll sell papers on the retraction."
Posted by: ryukyu at March 12, 2025 04:30 PM (251iY)
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They're still fucking a bat at the bottom of a Wuhan mine shaft
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at March 12, 2025 04:31 PM (wBaIH)
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Methinks Vanity Fair is well named.
Posted by: Pudinhead at March 12, 2025 04:31 PM (pLaQB)
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"As bird flu spreads, and Team Trump begins dismantling America's public health apparatus..."
Um, when did this happen? 'Cause that's poppycock.
Um, when did this happen? 'Cause that's poppycock.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at March 12, 2025 04:31 PM (aXxgO)
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That's a lot of words to say "they thought it was a lab leak because it was a lab leak and it was obvious that it was a lab leak."
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 12, 2025 04:32 PM (B9Prs)
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COVID originated from a lab leak in China? Next you'll be telling me the intubation protocol for COVID was wrong.....
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 12, 2025 04:32 PM (tT6L1)
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8 It seems that the media is still all in on pushing the lies that it wasn't a lab leak, but the deepstate has decided it's time for the "Oh, that's old news, everyone knew that" gambit.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at March 12, 2025 04:27 PM (aPBRN)
It's all well and fine for them to say that it's 'old news', but what it really means is that the US and the CCP are on the hook for trillions of dollars of liability for unleashing this monstrosity on the world. It looks like the only think that can save our collective bank accounts is the fact that because the entire world - with the exceptions of Sweden, Africa, India and Japan, I believe - did exactly the WRONG thing and made their populations suffer needlessly due to gov't policies, and as such want to put this whole sorry episode behind them ASAP. A thin reed to hang one's hopes on, that's for sure.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at March 12, 2025 04:27 PM (aPBRN)
It's all well and fine for them to say that it's 'old news', but what it really means is that the US and the CCP are on the hook for trillions of dollars of liability for unleashing this monstrosity on the world. It looks like the only think that can save our collective bank accounts is the fact that because the entire world - with the exceptions of Sweden, Africa, India and Japan, I believe - did exactly the WRONG thing and made their populations suffer needlessly due to gov't policies, and as such want to put this whole sorry episode behind them ASAP. A thin reed to hang one's hopes on, that's for sure.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at March 12, 2025 04:32 PM (hKDlP)
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Why is Fauci not being charged? Where's Bondi?
Posted by: Auspex a
I'm skeptical about whether the JFK or MLK files get released. They're likely to damage institutional reputations, whatever they reveal, so it's highly unlikely to happen.
But I'm not about skeptical about anything Epstein or COVID related. No charges will be filed in either case. Those cases implicate too many people *currently* in the global ruling class. That will not be permitted to happen, no matter who thinks they're the top cop in the country.
People who expect this from Bondi and Trump are going to be sorely disappointed. You're thinking they're much more powerful than they are. They can cause havoc for the ruling class in many ways, and they are. But they can't and won't lay a finger on any of them personally.
Why is Fauci not being charged? Where's Bondi?
Posted by: Auspex a
I'm skeptical about whether the JFK or MLK files get released. They're likely to damage institutional reputations, whatever they reveal, so it's highly unlikely to happen.
But I'm not about skeptical about anything Epstein or COVID related. No charges will be filed in either case. Those cases implicate too many people *currently* in the global ruling class. That will not be permitted to happen, no matter who thinks they're the top cop in the country.
People who expect this from Bondi and Trump are going to be sorely disappointed. You're thinking they're much more powerful than they are. They can cause havoc for the ruling class in many ways, and they are. But they can't and won't lay a finger on any of them personally.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 12, 2025 04:33 PM (BI5O2)
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Shorter FBI scientist: "We're corrupt bastards but we're not stupid corrupt bastards."
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 12, 2025 04:33 PM (B9Prs)
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COVID originated from a lab leak in China? Next you'll be telling me the intubation protocol for COVID was wrong.....
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 12, 2025 04:32 PM (tT6L1)
I'm tired of hearing about COVID. I hereby name it "Fauci's Fuckup #2". AIDS was #1
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 12, 2025 04:32 PM (tT6L1)
I'm tired of hearing about COVID. I hereby name it "Fauci's Fuckup #2". AIDS was #1
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 12, 2025 04:33 PM (VNX3d)
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Anybody with any sense, including every govt on the planet, knew this was a lab leak at the very least (if not some intentional release). We learned that publicly not too long afterwards -- the gene sequence had all sorts of markers of lab manipulation and splicing "goodies" into it.
Govts knew this immediately. The rest was all gaslighting.
Anybody with any sense, including every govt on the planet, knew this was a lab leak at the very least (if not some intentional release). We learned that publicly not too long afterwards -- the gene sequence had all sorts of markers of lab manipulation and splicing "goodies" into it.
Govts knew this immediately. The rest was all gaslighting.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at March 12, 2025 04:34 PM (w6EFb)
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Where are all these Get Out of Jail Free cards? At the bottom of a Wuhan mine shaft or at the DNC?
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at March 12, 2025 04:34 PM (wBaIH)
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23 But I'm not about skeptical about anything Epstein or COVID related. No charges will be filed in either case. Those cases implicate too many people *currently* in the global ruling class. That will not be permitted to happen, no matter who thinks they're the top cop in the country.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 12, 2025 04:33 PM (BI5O2)
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Also, you know, the pardons.
That's a hiccup in the plan.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 12, 2025 04:33 PM (BI5O2)
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Also, you know, the pardons.
That's a hiccup in the plan.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 12, 2025 04:34 PM (GBKbO)
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What difference, at this point, does it make?
Posted by: Mrs. H. R. Clinton at March 12, 2025 04:34 PM (Y1sOo)
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As bird flu spreads, and Team Trump begins dismantling America's public health apparatus, a
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That's quite the non-sequitor.
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That's quite the non-sequitor.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 12, 2025 04:34 PM (tT6L1)
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Vanity Fair is doing the same thing that Tapper is doing. Trying to toss out the truth while ignoring that they pushed the lies. Bold strategy Cotton
Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 12, 2025 04:34 PM (2Km7O)
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They won’t be happy till they kill us all
Posted by: Gonzotx at March 12, 2025 04:34 PM (nGraA)
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30 As bird flu spreads, and Team Trump begins dismantling America's public health apparatus, a
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That's quite the non-sequitor.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 12, 2025 04:34 PM (tT6L1)
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On the one hand:
"America has the worst healthcare system in the world, and we're justified in murdering CEOs of health insurance companies because it's so fucked."
On the Other hand:
"American healthcare will collapse with any reform."
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That's quite the non-sequitor.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 12, 2025 04:34 PM (tT6L1)
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On the one hand:
"America has the worst healthcare system in the world, and we're justified in murdering CEOs of health insurance companies because it's so fucked."
On the Other hand:
"American healthcare will collapse with any reform."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 12, 2025 04:35 PM (GBKbO)
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"Vanity Fair can now report..."
Now that the entire planet understands the scope, breadth, and depravity of the op, they're ready to provide "breaking" news and try a new rehabilitation project.
GFY. Forever.
Now that the entire planet understands the scope, breadth, and depravity of the op, they're ready to provide "breaking" news and try a new rehabilitation project.
GFY. Forever.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at March 12, 2025 04:35 PM (aXxgO)
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Today at lunch with a friend whom I had not seen in a while she talked about five people she knows all of whom have the same type of cancer. They've all been through the wringer and she has emotionally as well because she loves them. I did not ask whether they all had a shot or shots for Covid because what would be the point, ( ? ) but I would not be at all surprised at all. I guess I'll have to settle for the fact that Fauci will receive judgement in the life to come, because it doesn't look like it's going to happen in this life.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2025 04:35 PM (42Vb+)
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The Krauts too... since 2020 [like everyone here 5 years ago].
Disclose.tv @disclosetv 5h
JUST IN - Since 2020, the German intelligence service BND has assumed that the corona outbreak originated in a laboratory in Wuhan, China. The German Chancellery kept this secret. People who assumed the same were labeled "conspiracy theorists."
https://tinyurl.com/mufwvw9r
screencap from Die Welt
Disclose.tv @disclosetv 5h
JUST IN - Since 2020, the German intelligence service BND has assumed that the corona outbreak originated in a laboratory in Wuhan, China. The German Chancellery kept this secret. People who assumed the same were labeled "conspiracy theorists."
https://tinyurl.com/mufwvw9r
screencap from Die Welt
Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at March 12, 2025 04:35 PM (/tzYP)
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Yeah, just ignore the fact that Shi Zhengli is known as "The Bat Lady."
Also, ignore People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Professor Zhou Yusen, Director of the 5th Institute at the Academy of Military Medical Sciences (AMMS)....he "accidentally" fell off the roof of the Wuhan Labs.
Also, ignore People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Professor Zhou Yusen, Director of the 5th Institute at the Academy of Military Medical Sciences (AMMS)....he "accidentally" fell off the roof of the Wuhan Labs.
Posted by: Orson at March 12, 2025 04:36 PM (dIske)
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Timothy Peterson@nsquaredvalue 47m Replying to @disclosetv
These people need to be held accountable:
Paul Barry, host of ABC's Media Watch: In 2020, Barry referred to the lab leak theory as a "conspiracy theory" and criticized journalists who reported on it, asserting there was "no evidence" supporting the theory.
Laura Helmuth, editor-in-chief of Scientific American: Under Helmuth's leadership starting in 2020, the magazine published several articles "debunking" the Wuhan lab-leak theory, which is now the US government's favored explanation for the origin of the coronavirus.
Sunny Hostin, co-host of The View: In a January 2025 episode, Hostin debated the origins of COVID-19, expressing skepticism about the lab leak theory and emphasizing that the CIA had only low confidence in this report, validating the New York Times' decision not to cover it extensively.
These people need to be held accountable:
Paul Barry, host of ABC's Media Watch: In 2020, Barry referred to the lab leak theory as a "conspiracy theory" and criticized journalists who reported on it, asserting there was "no evidence" supporting the theory.
Laura Helmuth, editor-in-chief of Scientific American: Under Helmuth's leadership starting in 2020, the magazine published several articles "debunking" the Wuhan lab-leak theory, which is now the US government's favored explanation for the origin of the coronavirus.
Sunny Hostin, co-host of The View: In a January 2025 episode, Hostin debated the origins of COVID-19, expressing skepticism about the lab leak theory and emphasizing that the CIA had only low confidence in this report, validating the New York Times' decision not to cover it extensively.
Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at March 12, 2025 04:36 PM (/tzYP)
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@paulina_milla and Allyson Chiu The Washington Post: On February 17, 2020, reporters Paulina Firozi and Allyson Chiu authored an article titled "Tom Cotton keeps repeating a coronavirus conspiracy theory that was already debunked." The piece labeled Senator Tom Cotton's suggestion of a possible lab origin as a "debunked" conspiracy theory.
Apoorva Mandavilli The New York Times: On April 30, 2020, science and health reporter Apoorva Mandavilli wrote an article titled "Senator Tom Cotton Repeats Fringe Theory of Coronavirus Origins." The article reported that scientists had dismissed claims that the Chinese government created the virus, attributing its origin to natural sources.
@dpfunke PolitiFact: On September 16, 2020, fact-checker Daniel Funke rated the lab leak theory as a "conspiracy theory that has been debunked," assigning it a "Pants on Fire" rating. However, in May 2021, PolitiFact retracted this classification, acknowledging that the theory was "unsupported by evidence and in dispute."
Apoorva Mandavilli The New York Times: On April 30, 2020, science and health reporter Apoorva Mandavilli wrote an article titled "Senator Tom Cotton Repeats Fringe Theory of Coronavirus Origins." The article reported that scientists had dismissed claims that the Chinese government created the virus, attributing its origin to natural sources.
@dpfunke PolitiFact: On September 16, 2020, fact-checker Daniel Funke rated the lab leak theory as a "conspiracy theory that has been debunked," assigning it a "Pants on Fire" rating. However, in May 2021, PolitiFact retracted this classification, acknowledging that the theory was "unsupported by evidence and in dispute."
Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at March 12, 2025 04:36 PM (/tzYP)
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>> As bird flu spreads, and Team Trump begins dismantling America's public health apparatus,…
Trump is eliminating fraud and scams like overbilling. They are also trying to get rid of taxpayers paying full freight for illegal aliens. The only material change proposed is a work requirement for Medicaid to squeeze out the 27 years old sitting in their asses at home playing games. So I’m somewhat perplexed at how making sure there is more money for legitimate enrollees is “dismantling the system”
This garbage is even being peddled by Republican frauds like Lawler and Malliotakis. They’re actually running commercials against Trump on the issue.
Help me out here. WTF.
Trump is eliminating fraud and scams like overbilling. They are also trying to get rid of taxpayers paying full freight for illegal aliens. The only material change proposed is a work requirement for Medicaid to squeeze out the 27 years old sitting in their asses at home playing games. So I’m somewhat perplexed at how making sure there is more money for legitimate enrollees is “dismantling the system”
This garbage is even being peddled by Republican frauds like Lawler and Malliotakis. They’re actually running commercials against Trump on the issue.
Help me out here. WTF.
Posted by: Vengeance at March 12, 2025 04:36 PM (yzoWD)
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Where are all these Get Out of Jail Free cards? At the bottom of a Wuhan mine shaft or at the DNC?
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at March 12, 2025 04:34 PM (wBaIH)
They were hidden in Joe Biden's ass.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at March 12, 2025 04:34 PM (wBaIH)
They were hidden in Joe Biden's ass.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at March 12, 2025 04:37 PM (4XwPj)
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Simpler.... Statute of Limitations has expired, unless you can prove to a Court Conspiracy...
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2025 04:37 PM (QAkQ3)
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Fuck these fucking fucks!
Pretending to come clean now after all the info leaked out without "official" help? Pound sand.
I get emotional about this era of American history, because it's not really over yet due to justice delayed and denied.
Don't know if I'll comment further.
Pretending to come clean now after all the info leaked out without "official" help? Pound sand.
I get emotional about this era of American history, because it's not really over yet due to justice delayed and denied.
Don't know if I'll comment further.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 12, 2025 04:37 PM (FCbAQ)
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Love the wit, as ever, ace. Always ice little precision-guided munitions, here and there.
Without being a geneticist or virologist, much of the basic "circumstantial evidence" on this has been known almost since the start.
To me the quasi-smoking gun is the Furin cleavage site (FCS), which apparently exactly matches what one proposed research program ("DEFUSE") rejected by DARPA planned to produce exactly the bug we see in SARS-COV-19 (in terms of the FCS). Of which the chances of such occurring in nature were estimated to be ... 1 in a zillion, or basically extremely improbable.
The low bio-safety level/documented serious incidents at the WIV are circumstantial flavoring, as are a few other things, all pointing towards lab origin (and lab incompetence, and prevarication). And I think the WIV took down its online research section/inventory in October 2019, something like that. Think it had been up/online forever, as is standard with such outfits. In context, extremely suspicious.
Without being a geneticist or virologist, much of the basic "circumstantial evidence" on this has been known almost since the start.
To me the quasi-smoking gun is the Furin cleavage site (FCS), which apparently exactly matches what one proposed research program ("DEFUSE") rejected by DARPA planned to produce exactly the bug we see in SARS-COV-19 (in terms of the FCS). Of which the chances of such occurring in nature were estimated to be ... 1 in a zillion, or basically extremely improbable.
The low bio-safety level/documented serious incidents at the WIV are circumstantial flavoring, as are a few other things, all pointing towards lab origin (and lab incompetence, and prevarication). And I think the WIV took down its online research section/inventory in October 2019, something like that. Think it had been up/online forever, as is standard with such outfits. In context, extremely suspicious.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 12, 2025 04:38 PM (1m82a)
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I'm enjoying the current world leftie spasms at argument:
First: We crushed the people with insane Covid restrictions.
Then: We gutted the economy with a pointless war in Ukraine.
Now: We are now going to protect the people from Trump's tariffs with retaliatory tariffs by ... making goods more expensive.
"You would think," as a famous mid-wit once said "they'd be thanking me."
First: We crushed the people with insane Covid restrictions.
Then: We gutted the economy with a pointless war in Ukraine.
Now: We are now going to protect the people from Trump's tariffs with retaliatory tariffs by ... making goods more expensive.
"You would think," as a famous mid-wit once said "they'd be thanking me."
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 12, 2025 04:38 PM (2EU+I)
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Is this focus on the origins of COVID 19 intended to deflect attention from the unconstitutional and astonishingly stupid actions taken by the state during the planneddemic? I would prefer Fauci and the puppy murderers to escape blame if we could have Trump and the rest of the state sweating before a modern HUAC explaining why they shouldn't be imprisoned for lockdowns, masking, social distancing and forced experimental injections.
Posted by: Oglebay at March 12, 2025 04:39 PM (2ap+5)
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35 Today at lunch with a friend whom I had not seen in a while she talked about five people she knows all of whom have the same type of cancer. They've all been through the wringer and she has emotionally as well because she loves them. I did not ask whether they all had a shot or shots for Covid because what would be the point, ( ? ) but I would not be at all surprised at all. I guess I'll have to settle for the fact that Fauci will receive judgement in the life to come, because it doesn't look like it's going to happen in this life.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2025 04:35 PM (42Vb+)
Fen, someone told me something at church on Sunday that will stay with me, because I need to remember this to not get burnt up with resentment over all sorts of wrongs out there in the world:
Life isn't fair, but God is just.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2025 04:35 PM (42Vb+)
Fen, someone told me something at church on Sunday that will stay with me, because I need to remember this to not get burnt up with resentment over all sorts of wrongs out there in the world:
Life isn't fair, but God is just.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at March 12, 2025 04:39 PM (hKDlP)
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Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 12, 2025 04:33 PM (BI5O2)
If Whitney Webb is to believed, his financial dealings are preventing that more than the pedo stuff. Bill Barr's father, the Clinton foundation and so on.
If Whitney Webb is to believed, his financial dealings are preventing that more than the pedo stuff. Bill Barr's father, the Clinton foundation and so on.
Posted by: ryukyu at March 12, 2025 04:40 PM (251iY)
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Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 12, 2025 04:33 PM (BI5O2)
Best thing Trump could do, would be to wave Sovereign Immunity on the Covid shit.
Yeah, he will end up in court as well... but its the only way folks like me will regain even a smidgeon of trust in the Government.
Best thing Trump could do, would be to wave Sovereign Immunity on the Covid shit.
Yeah, he will end up in court as well... but its the only way folks like me will regain even a smidgeon of trust in the Government.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2025 04:40 PM (QAkQ3)
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49 Yeah, he will end up in court as well... but its the only way folks like me will regain even a smidgeon of trust in the Government.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2025 04:40 PM (QAkQ3)
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Post-WWII trust in the federal government was one of the most destructive cultural attitudes in American history.
It should die and remain dead.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2025 04:40 PM (QAkQ3)
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Post-WWII trust in the federal government was one of the most destructive cultural attitudes in American history.
It should die and remain dead.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 12, 2025 04:42 PM (GBKbO)
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We should build a new prison for anyone involved with manufacturing the COVID Scam and using it as a pretext to steal our liberties. It should have a shiny new gallows, with theater seating, surround sound and free popcorn for the hanging audience. Maybe a pack of Raisinettes too.
Posted by: Vengeance at March 12, 2025 04:42 PM (yzoWD)
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Posted by: Oglebay at March 12, 2025 04:39 PM (2ap+5)
When the Feds, and the COURTs allow even a Mayor to take away your Civil Rights... you have none.
When the Feds, and the COURTs allow even a Mayor to take away your Civil Rights... you have none.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2025 04:42 PM (QAkQ3)
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Motherfuckers.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 12, 2025 04:42 PM (jc0TO)
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>>Yeah, he will end up in court as well... but its the only way folks like me will regain even a smidgeon of trust in the Government.
The Founders were pretty insistent that you NEVER get so complacent that you might mistakenly trust the Government.
The Founders were pretty insistent that you NEVER get so complacent that you might mistakenly trust the Government.
Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2025 04:43 PM (npXNI)
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This is why flus and such were called The Spanish Flu, The Hong Kong Flu, The Detroit Flu. This was so people would know where the diseases originated and to avoid those places if need be. The Red China Flu. COVID is a fag word to avoid placing the blame where it belongs...Red China.
Posted by: Dr. Bones McCoy at March 12, 2025 04:43 PM (EEZHI)
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54 The Founders were pretty insistent that you NEVER get so complacent that you might mistakenly trust the Government.
Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2025 04:43 PM (npXNI)
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They refused the government a standing army they trusted the concept of centralized government so little.
Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2025 04:43 PM (npXNI)
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They refused the government a standing army they trusted the concept of centralized government so little.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 12, 2025 04:43 PM (GBKbO)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2025 04:44 PM (8607n)
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Roberts really revealed himself to me when he ruled against the Church in Nevada that they couldn't hold services but allowed the casinos to open.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 04:44 PM (VofaG)
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19 "As bird flu spreads, and Team Trump begins dismantling America's public health apparatus..."
Um, when did this happen? 'Cause that's poppycock.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel a
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I recently saw that obamacare (plus Biden expansions) reimburse states 80% for Medicaid enrollment of healthy working age males instead of the standard 50%
WTF? is that true? That needs to be dismantled.
Um, when did this happen? 'Cause that's poppycock.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel a
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I recently saw that obamacare (plus Biden expansions) reimburse states 80% for Medicaid enrollment of healthy working age males instead of the standard 50%
WTF? is that true? That needs to be dismantled.
Posted by: bob (moron incognitus) at March 12, 2025 04:45 PM (2nKre)
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>>> How had a bat virus seemingly primed to infect humans arrived in Wuhan in the first place? The bats in question are not believed to be native to Wuhan, and many of the horseshoe bats that Shi studied lived roughly 1,000 miles to the southwest, in Yunnan Province.
That is a racist question to ask. I have been told repeatedly that only racist nazi idiots would ever ask such a question.
That is a racist question to ask. I have been told repeatedly that only racist nazi idiots would ever ask such a question.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 04:45 PM (uCjyK)
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"Sunny Hostin, co-host of The View: In a January 2025 episode, Hostin debated the origins of COVID-19..."
I think I see the problem here. If you're getting information/perspective from Hostin, you probably don't have grounds to defend yourself on anything you've heard. You're the fool.
I think I see the problem here. If you're getting information/perspective from Hostin, you probably don't have grounds to defend yourself on anything you've heard. You're the fool.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at March 12, 2025 04:45 PM (aXxgO)
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>>I recently saw that obamacare (plus Biden expansions) reimburse states 80% for Medicaid enrollment of healthy working age males instead of the standard 50%
A good Pyramid Scheme needs a Base.
A good Pyramid Scheme needs a Base.
Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2025 04:46 PM (npXNI)
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“ you must not leave the body hanging on the pole overnight. Be sure to bury it that same day, because anyone who is hung on a pole is under God’s curse. You must not desecrate the land the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance.”
Deuteronomy 21:23
Deuteronomy 21:23
Posted by: Marcus T at March 12, 2025 04:46 PM (+nyA/)
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The government started being crooked the day after the Constitution was signed in 1887.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 04:46 PM (VofaG)
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That is a racist question to ask. I have been told repeatedly that only racist nazi idiots would ever ask such a question.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 04:45 PM (uCjyK)
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I thought it was Christian Nationalists which were the problem? Why don't people keep me informed of the latest objects of 15 minutes of hate!
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 04:45 PM (uCjyK)
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I thought it was Christian Nationalists which were the problem? Why don't people keep me informed of the latest objects of 15 minutes of hate!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 12, 2025 04:46 PM (tT6L1)
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64 The government started being crooked the day after the Constitution was signed in 1887.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 04:46 PM (VofaG)
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Theory:
The first 100 years of American history were created by Rutherford B. Hayes to cover up his tyranny as God Emperor of the Americas.
Discuss.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 04:46 PM (VofaG)
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Theory:
The first 100 years of American history were created by Rutherford B. Hayes to cover up his tyranny as God Emperor of the Americas.
Discuss.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 12, 2025 04:47 PM (GBKbO)
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"Shi updated her published work, and tried to explain the omission......."
Why is this coming out now? What are they trying to get ahead of?
Why is this coming out now? What are they trying to get ahead of?
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 12, 2025 04:47 PM (e5NfL)
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There are people on my hill. Working people. People who are using a backhoe to dig out the area that will become a crawlspace for my son's new house. They finally broke ground today! And the baby could be here any time now! We're hoping he arrives on Friday. Hubbymayhem will be home and it was his mom's birthday. Lots of exciting excitement on Mayhem Hill!
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at March 12, 2025 04:48 PM (4XwPj)
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Horshoe bats are not migratory??
Posted by: Oglebay at March 12, 2025 04:48 PM (2ap+5)
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I pray that it doesn't happen to the Horde or their loved ones or any decent people, but the best thing that could happen is if everyone involved in the COVID crap developed a fatal condition from the shots. More just than any prison sentence
Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 12, 2025 04:48 PM (2Km7O)
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Was time travel involved?
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at March 12, 2025 04:48 PM (2Bg3S)
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These assholes murdered my BiL, and probably contributed to the death of my mother, and this I will not forgive.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 12, 2025 04:48 PM (jc0TO)
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69 Horshoe bats are not migratory??
Posted by: Oglebay at March 12, 2025 04:48 PM (2ap+5)
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I bet they can carry a coconut if they grasp it by the husk, though.
Posted by: Oglebay at March 12, 2025 04:48 PM (2ap+5)
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I bet they can carry a coconut if they grasp it by the husk, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 12, 2025 04:48 PM (GBKbO)
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Horshoe bats are not migratory??
Posted by: Oglebay at March 12, 2025
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They stick to their own little areas, just clip-clopping around.
Posted by: Oglebay at March 12, 2025
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They stick to their own little areas, just clip-clopping around.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 12, 2025 04:48 PM (J2vNu)
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A virologist right at the beginning of COVID provided scientific evidence that the virus had skipped at least two steps that a natural virus would always show. Of course they knew it was lab grown right from the beginning .
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 04:49 PM (VofaG)
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60 >>> How had a bat virus seemingly primed to infect humans arrived in Wuhan in the first place?
That is a racist question to ask. I have been told repeatedly that only racist nazi idiots would ever ask such a question.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 04:45 PM (uCjyK)
Bat Virus infecting Humans? Well, Catwoman has been complaining of itching...
That is a racist question to ask. I have been told repeatedly that only racist nazi idiots would ever ask such a question.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 04:45 PM (uCjyK)
Bat Virus infecting Humans? Well, Catwoman has been complaining of itching...
Posted by: Batman at March 12, 2025 04:49 PM (QAkQ3)
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If the left can possibly shunt the blame for Covid restrictions on Trump they will, but that's really the fault of Democrat Governor authoritarian control freaks , not Trump.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2025 04:49 PM (42Vb+)
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Horshoe bats are not migratory??
Posted by: Oglebay at March 12, 2025 04:48 PM (2ap+5)
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They are the luckiest of bats.
Posted by: Oglebay at March 12, 2025 04:48 PM (2ap+5)
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They are the luckiest of bats.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 04:49 PM (VofaG)
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Sebastian Melmoth: "Roberts really revealed himself to me when he ruled against the Church in Nevada that they couldn't hold services but allowed the casinos to open."
That was the BLM/Antifa Riot Era where Covid avoided those mobs and floated to churches and playgrounds for refuge. He'd probably like for you to forget those civil rights violations or at least remember them differently. What a stain on the Court.
That was the BLM/Antifa Riot Era where Covid avoided those mobs and floated to churches and playgrounds for refuge. He'd probably like for you to forget those civil rights violations or at least remember them differently. What a stain on the Court.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at March 12, 2025 04:49 PM (aXxgO)
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Maybe a pack of Raisinettes too.
Posted by: Vengeance at March 12, 2025 04:42 PM (yzoWD)
Ju Ju Bees
Posted by: Vengeance at March 12, 2025 04:42 PM (yzoWD)
Ju Ju Bees
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at March 12, 2025 04:49 PM (ufFY8)
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I'm amazed the gov hasn't pitched "someone loved a bat with his penis" as the origin of Covid. That's how the science likes to explain things these days. "Someone banged a monkey!"
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at March 12, 2025 04:49 PM (2+SeL)
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75 A virologist right at the beginning of COVID provided scientific evidence that the virus had skipped at least two steps that a natural virus would always show. Of course they knew it was lab grown right from the beginning .
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 04:49 PM (VofaG)
And every mention of that was suppressed and those who mentioned it kicked offline... or at least made invisible.
This is the whole reason we need Freedom of Speech... which the Government suppressed, and the Court's allow.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 04:49 PM (VofaG)
And every mention of that was suppressed and those who mentioned it kicked offline... or at least made invisible.
This is the whole reason we need Freedom of Speech... which the Government suppressed, and the Court's allow.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2025 04:50 PM (QAkQ3)
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Wake me when people start going to jail.
Posted by: Cray Cray at March 12, 2025 04:50 PM (KO2TK)
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The first 100 years of American history were created by Rutherford B. Hayes to cover up his tyranny as God Emperor of the Americas.
Discuss.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 12, 2025 04:47 PM (GBKbO)
RutherFRAUD B. Hayes's term ended in '71. Tilden helped him steal the Presidency in 1877. End of reconstruction.
Cleveland would have been this postulated God Emperor who erased our history.
Discuss.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 12, 2025 04:47 PM (GBKbO)
RutherFRAUD B. Hayes's term ended in '71. Tilden helped him steal the Presidency in 1877. End of reconstruction.
Cleveland would have been this postulated God Emperor who erased our history.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 12, 2025 04:51 PM (BI5O2)
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Make Nuremberg Trials Great Again!
Posted by: ShainS -- TrumpLand Map: Better Coverage than 5G ... Can you hear us now? at March 12, 2025 04:51 PM (sBJWn)
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35 Today at lunch with a friend whom I had not seen in a while she talked about five people she knows all of whom have the same type of cancer. They've all been through the wringer and she has emotionally as well because she loves them. I did not ask whether they all had a shot or shots for Covid because what would be the point, ( ? ) but I would not be at all surprised at all.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2025 04:35 PM
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What type of cancer?
35 Today at lunch with a friend whom I had not seen in a while she talked about five people she knows all of whom have the same type of cancer. They've all been through the wringer and she has emotionally as well because she loves them. I did not ask whether they all had a shot or shots for Covid because what would be the point, ( ? ) but I would not be at all surprised at all.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2025 04:35 PM
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What type of cancer?
Posted by: Semi-LiterateThug at March 12, 2025 04:52 PM (t1fZA)
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What's a vanity fair?
Posted by: Most people at March 12, 2025 04:52 PM (DobEs)
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Post-WWII trust in the federal government was one of the most destructive cultural attitudes in American history.
It should die and remain dead.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 12, 2025 04:42 PM (GBKbO)
As the horde may have noticed, conspiracy theories and that time period are a recent topic of interest to me.
But being in to both, I still can't answer the question of how we went from a country of people who hated war, distrusted government, believed in very limited power for elected people, etc. to what we became post- WW2.
I understand we had Wilson, FDR, the Depression, the bonds formed by wartime, all that.
Still, it's hard to believe a population could 180 like that so quickly. From blind distrust of institutions to blind trust. Overnight.
It should die and remain dead.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 12, 2025 04:42 PM (GBKbO)
As the horde may have noticed, conspiracy theories and that time period are a recent topic of interest to me.
But being in to both, I still can't answer the question of how we went from a country of people who hated war, distrusted government, believed in very limited power for elected people, etc. to what we became post- WW2.
I understand we had Wilson, FDR, the Depression, the bonds formed by wartime, all that.
Still, it's hard to believe a population could 180 like that so quickly. From blind distrust of institutions to blind trust. Overnight.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 04:52 PM (uCjyK)
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The first 100 years of American history were created by Rutherford B. Hayes to cover up his tyranny as God Emperor of the Americas.
Discuss.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 12, 2025 04:47 PM (GBKbO)
This is a better premise than anything hollywood has come up with in the last 10 years.
Discuss.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 12, 2025 04:47 PM (GBKbO)
This is a better premise than anything hollywood has come up with in the last 10 years.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 12, 2025 04:52 PM (B9Prs)
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84 RutherFRAUD B. Hayes's term ended in '71. Tilden helped him steal the Presidency in 1877. End of reconstruction.
Cleveland would have been this postulated God Emperor who erased our history.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 12, 2025 04:51 PM (BI5O2)
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He could still have just made himself a minor president to cover up his long list of warcrimes and complete control. He's a mastermind.
Cleveland would have been this postulated God Emperor who erased our history.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 12, 2025 04:51 PM (BI5O2)
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He could still have just made himself a minor president to cover up his long list of warcrimes and complete control. He's a mastermind.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 12, 2025 04:52 PM (GBKbO)
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There are people on my hill. Working people. People who are using a backhoe to dig out the area that will become a crawlspace for my son's new house. They finally broke ground today! And the baby could be here any time now! We're hoping he arrives on Friday. Hubbymayhem will be home and it was his mom's birthday. Lots of exciting excitement on Mayhem Hill!
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at March 12, 2025 04:48 PM (4XwPj)
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Sounds like a hill to die for.....
Congratulations!
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at March 12, 2025 04:48 PM (4XwPj)
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Sounds like a hill to die for.....
Congratulations!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 12, 2025 04:52 PM (tT6L1)
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81 I'm amazed the gov hasn't pitched "someone loved a bat with his penis" as the origin of Covid. That's how the science likes to explain things these days. "Someone banged a monkey!"
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at March 12, 2025 04:49 PM (2+SeL)
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"Someone's been pinking the monkeys" was a Frank Zappa insight about AIDS, if I remember correctly.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at March 12, 2025 04:49 PM (2+SeL)
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"Someone's been pinking the monkeys" was a Frank Zappa insight about AIDS, if I remember correctly.
Posted by: Oglebay at March 12, 2025 04:53 PM (2ap+5)
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Viruses are mostly un-engineerable; they simply mutate too quickly for any ultra-virulent property to persist once in the wild. But that doesn't mean these assholes didn't try, and FAFO.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at March 12, 2025 04:53 PM (XMwZJ)
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Fiction has to make sense like in the second and third mission impossible films
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at March 12, 2025 04:53 PM (2Bg3S)
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OT FYI:
EZ Pass number to pay my toll violation and they also told me my Norton subscription was expiring and there are hackers attacking my computer.
Which is strange because that's what Microsoft told me a couple of days ago and I paid them to fix it.
Posted by: WitchDoktor
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Use Linux.
Posted by: whig
The middle and back end systems of most EZ Pass was VMS until at least 2012.
EZ Pass number to pay my toll violation and they also told me my Norton subscription was expiring and there are hackers attacking my computer.
Which is strange because that's what Microsoft told me a couple of days ago and I paid them to fix it.
Posted by: WitchDoktor
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Use Linux.
Posted by: whig
The middle and back end systems of most EZ Pass was VMS until at least 2012.
Posted by: DaveA at March 12, 2025 04:53 PM (FhXTo)
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Vanity fair is kos with glossier ads
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at March 12, 2025 04:54 PM (2Bg3S)
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95 Use Linux.
Posted by: whig
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I'm using Linux for the first time on my Steam Deck.
Holy shit...this is a learning curve.
Posted by: whig
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I'm using Linux for the first time on my Steam Deck.
Holy shit...this is a learning curve.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 12, 2025 04:54 PM (GBKbO)
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85 Make Nuremberg Trials Great Again!
Posted by: ShainS -- TrumpLand Map: Better Coverage than 5G ... Can you hear us now? at March 12, 2025 04:51 PM (sBJWn)
Yeah.... about that... Ex Pilipino Prezzy Duterte was arrested in the airport in the Philippines, and is being taken to the Hauge to be tried for crimes against Humanity, for his actions while fighting against a well organized Drug cartel, that was rebelling from his government... yeah... things got ugly on both sides.
But this is getting dangerous.
Posted by: ShainS -- TrumpLand Map: Better Coverage than 5G ... Can you hear us now? at March 12, 2025 04:51 PM (sBJWn)
Yeah.... about that... Ex Pilipino Prezzy Duterte was arrested in the airport in the Philippines, and is being taken to the Hauge to be tried for crimes against Humanity, for his actions while fighting against a well organized Drug cartel, that was rebelling from his government... yeah... things got ugly on both sides.
But this is getting dangerous.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2025 04:55 PM (QAkQ3)
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Horshoe bats are not migratory??
Posted by: Oglebay at March 12, 2025
Everyone knows that only coconuts and swallows are migratory.
Posted by: Oglebay at March 12, 2025
Everyone knows that only coconuts and swallows are migratory.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 12, 2025 04:55 PM (e5NfL)
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Or andromeda strain where scoop recovered the pathogens and wildfire studied them.
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at March 12, 2025 04:55 PM (2Bg3S)
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What type of cancer?
Posted by: Semi-LiterateThug at March 12, 2025 04:52 PM
Something to do with the intestines.
Posted by: Semi-LiterateThug at March 12, 2025 04:52 PM
Something to do with the intestines.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2025 04:55 PM (42Vb+)
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Maybe I misread, but I thought Ivermectin has been found to cure some cancers. Or maybe it's Fenbendazole (or combination of both, both are anti-parasitic). If so, it would make sense that the PTB would prohibit Ivermectin knowing the shots were causing some horrible effects.
This IS my shiny new tinfoil hat, btw.
This IS my shiny new tinfoil hat, btw.
Posted by: fly gal at March 12, 2025 04:55 PM (wpiSB)
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@66 I've still never heard a good reason why Tilden threw in the towel. So I guess Rutherford B Hayes being a criminal mastermind God Emperor is as good an explanation as any
Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 12, 2025 04:55 PM (2Km7O)
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103 @66 I've still never heard a good reason why Tilden threw in the towel. So I guess Rutherford B Hayes being a criminal mastermind God Emperor is as good an explanation as any
Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 12, 2025 04:55 PM (2Km7O)
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I'm tellin' yas.
Giant worm creature.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 12, 2025 04:55 PM (2Km7O)
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I'm tellin' yas.
Giant worm creature.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 12, 2025 04:56 PM (GBKbO)
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Mmm. Clear Jell-O.
Posted by: wuhan lab janitor at March 12, 2025 04:56 PM (/tzYP)
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Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 04:52 PM (uCjyK)
We became the big dog after WWII. With that came the idea that we also become the protector or as we call it now the World Police. Because American morality is mostly Christian based and responsible to protect the weak . That's the mindset that eventually turned into the world police which just made everyone hate us including many of our own citizens.
We became the big dog after WWII. With that came the idea that we also become the protector or as we call it now the World Police. Because American morality is mostly Christian based and responsible to protect the weak . That's the mindset that eventually turned into the world police which just made everyone hate us including many of our own citizens.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 04:56 PM (VofaG)
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81 I'm amazed the gov hasn't pitched "someone loved a bat with his penis" as the origin of Covid. That's how the science likes to explain things these days. "Someone banged a monkey!"
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at March 12, 2025 04:49 PM (2+SeL)
Hey Now!!!!! What happens at Wayne Manoer, stays at Wayne Manor!
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at March 12, 2025 04:49 PM (2+SeL)
Hey Now!!!!! What happens at Wayne Manoer, stays at Wayne Manor!
Posted by: Robin at March 12, 2025 04:57 PM (QAkQ3)
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87 What's a vanity fair?
Posted by: Most people at March 12, 2025 04:52 PM (DobEs)
Don't ask Andrea Mitchell, she'll say it was Thackeray.
Posted by: Most people at March 12, 2025 04:52 PM (DobEs)
Don't ask Andrea Mitchell, she'll say it was Thackeray.
Posted by: John Bunyan at March 12, 2025 04:57 PM (PiwSw)
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This IS my shiny new tinfoil hat, btw.
Posted by: fly gal at March 12, 2025 04:55 PM (wpiSB)
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You do realize tinfoil hats have a half fashion life of about 3 days, lately, right?
Posted by: fly gal at March 12, 2025 04:55 PM (wpiSB)
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You do realize tinfoil hats have a half fashion life of about 3 days, lately, right?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 12, 2025 04:57 PM (tT6L1)
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He could still have just made himself a minor president to cover up his long list of warcrimes and complete control. He's a mastermind.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 12, 2025 04:52 PM (
Or, perhaps, as a non-consecutive two term President, Trump is the Return of the Once & Future God Emperor Cleveland.
Discuss.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 12, 2025 04:52 PM (
Or, perhaps, as a non-consecutive two term President, Trump is the Return of the Once & Future God Emperor Cleveland.
Discuss.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 12, 2025 04:57 PM (BI5O2)
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81 I'm amazed the gov hasn't pitched "someone loved a bat with his penis" as the origin of Covid. That's how the science likes to explain things these days. "Someone banged a monkey!"
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at March 12, 2025 04:49 PM (2+SeL)
The most generous theory I'm willing to believe is that HIV was endemic in the Congo for a long time, but because untreated AIDS is so fatal, it never really spread. But the Belgians accidentally spread HIV far and wide by re-using needles in one of their inoculation campaigns in the 1920's or so, which led to the spread of HIV, and eventually it ended up going global. And with the way it spreads (bodily fluid contact), it ended up affecting mostly gay men and IV drug users.
That's the most generous reading I'm willing to give.
I think it is definitely possible that a government (likely ours, but who knows?) created it for nefarious purposes and everything else is bullshit. You never know.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at March 12, 2025 04:49 PM (2+SeL)
The most generous theory I'm willing to believe is that HIV was endemic in the Congo for a long time, but because untreated AIDS is so fatal, it never really spread. But the Belgians accidentally spread HIV far and wide by re-using needles in one of their inoculation campaigns in the 1920's or so, which led to the spread of HIV, and eventually it ended up going global. And with the way it spreads (bodily fluid contact), it ended up affecting mostly gay men and IV drug users.
That's the most generous reading I'm willing to give.
I think it is definitely possible that a government (likely ours, but who knows?) created it for nefarious purposes and everything else is bullshit. You never know.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 04:57 PM (uCjyK)
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My aunt’s brother’s first cousin’s best friend’s wife has three friends who stubbed their toes all on the same street.
Posted by: Who cares at March 12, 2025 04:57 PM (qoB0Q)
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102 Maybe I misread, but I thought Ivermectin has been found to cure some cancers. Or maybe it's Fenbendazole (or combination of both, both are anti-parasitic). If so, it would make sense that the PTB would prohibit Ivermectin knowing the shots were causing some horrible effects.
This IS my shiny new tinfoil hat, btw.
Posted by: fly gal at March 12, 2025 04:55 PM
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I don't understand the reasoning here.
102 Maybe I misread, but I thought Ivermectin has been found to cure some cancers. Or maybe it's Fenbendazole (or combination of both, both are anti-parasitic). If so, it would make sense that the PTB would prohibit Ivermectin knowing the shots were causing some horrible effects.
This IS my shiny new tinfoil hat, btw.
Posted by: fly gal at March 12, 2025 04:55 PM
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I don't understand the reasoning here.
Posted by: Semi-LiterateThug at March 12, 2025 04:57 PM (t1fZA)
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Crew 10 crew about to head to the pad:
https://tinyurl.com/25uxzhuo
They'll be riding to the pad in Teslas.
Posted by: publius,
Are they dropping off a few of the 'nauts and bringing back the two that have been stuck up there?
https://tinyurl.com/25uxzhuo
They'll be riding to the pad in Teslas.
Posted by: publius,
Are they dropping off a few of the 'nauts and bringing back the two that have been stuck up there?
Posted by: Cheri at March 12, 2025 04:58 PM (oiNtH)
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I'm using Linux for the first time on my Steam Deck.
Holy shit...this is a learning curve.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 12, 2025 04:54 PM (GBKbO)
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Eh you'll pick it up. Only takes a few years, I mean, no, yeah, I mean years.
Holy shit...this is a learning curve.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 12, 2025 04:54 PM (GBKbO)
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Eh you'll pick it up. Only takes a few years, I mean, no, yeah, I mean years.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 12, 2025 04:58 PM (tT6L1)
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The klan terrified enough people out of votng that the South won electorate votes thats where the frauf entered into it
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at March 12, 2025 04:58 PM (2Bg3S)
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Whatever. What should be remembered is that the preventative measures against this virus were exponentially more dangerous than the virus itself.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at March 12, 2025 04:58 PM (g8Ew8)
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I'm using Linux for the first time on my Steam Deck.
Holy shit...this is a learning curve.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,
command lines never hurt anyone
Holy shit...this is a learning curve.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison,
command lines never hurt anyone
Posted by: DaveA at March 12, 2025 04:58 PM (FhXTo)
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Everything about covid was a lie.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 12, 2025 04:59 PM (W2Pud)
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I've still never heard a good reason why Tilden threw in the towel.
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That was the deal - Dems said "we''ll throw this election in the HoR if you agree to end Reconstruction."
He did. It was back when a fella would stay bought.
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That was the deal - Dems said "we''ll throw this election in the HoR if you agree to end Reconstruction."
He did. It was back when a fella would stay bought.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 12, 2025 04:59 PM (BI5O2)
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115 Eh you'll pick it up. Only takes a few years, I mean, no, yeah, I mean years.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 12, 2025 04:58 PM (tT6L1)
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I just want to point and click...
*weeps bitterly but manfully*
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 12, 2025 04:58 PM (tT6L1)
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I just want to point and click...
*weeps bitterly but manfully*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, back to the finish with Corman at March 12, 2025 04:59 PM (GBKbO)
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Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at March 12, 2025 04:53 PM (XMwZJ)
Lab created probably confusing and wrong term. They didn't make the virus but did the gain of function to make it what it was.
Lab created probably confusing and wrong term. They didn't make the virus but did the gain of function to make it what it was.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:00 PM (VofaG)
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109 This IS my shiny new tinfoil hat, btw.
Posted by: fly gal at March 12, 2025 04:55 PM (wpiSB)
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You do realize tinfoil hats have a half fashion life of about 3 days, lately, right?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 12, 2025 04:57 PM (tT6L1)
If your tinfoil hat does not have a grounding strap, its efficiency is really compromised.
Posted by: fly gal at March 12, 2025 04:55 PM (wpiSB)
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You do realize tinfoil hats have a half fashion life of about 3 days, lately, right?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 12, 2025 04:57 PM (tT6L1)
If your tinfoil hat does not have a grounding strap, its efficiency is really compromised.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2025 05:00 PM (QAkQ3)
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The main reason they suspect it was a lab leak is that it was a literal leak out of an actual lab.
Posted by: Max Power at March 12, 2025 05:00 PM (q177U)
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>>>The intelligence community also determined that, in the autumn of 2019, three of Shi's researchers fell ill with COVID-like symptoms.
Of course they fucking did. And it was here by winter 2019.
Take it one step further.
>>>Dr. Anthony Fauci, the U.S. government’s top infectious disease specialist, warned in early 2017 that a “surprise outbreak” would occur during the Trump administration, and he said that more needed to be done to prepare for a pandemic.
Arrest that troll. Nuremberg 2.0.
Of course they fucking did. And it was here by winter 2019.
Take it one step further.
>>>Dr. Anthony Fauci, the U.S. government’s top infectious disease specialist, warned in early 2017 that a “surprise outbreak” would occur during the Trump administration, and he said that more needed to be done to prepare for a pandemic.
Arrest that troll. Nuremberg 2.0.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 12, 2025 05:00 PM (sLD6a)
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@88 ... I remember watching an episode of The Honeymooners with my Dad (circa 1984 or so). There's an episode where Ralph gets an IRS audit and is panicking about it, then when he gets to the audit, he learns that he just forgot to sign the form. He then launches into a speech about how America is the greatest and we should be willing to pay 100% of our income as taxes, ending the episode with a round of applause.
So, yeah, that was the mindset.
So, yeah, that was the mindset.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 12, 2025 05:00 PM (qwx/I)
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If I could render movies from terminal, I would. Unfortunately, I can't. So, I have to settle for the minor satisfaction of RCP to get the movies on the server then rsync to back up the main disk.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at March 12, 2025 05:01 PM (tT6L1)
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The first 100 years of American history were created by Rutherford B. Hayes to cover up his tyranny as God Emperor of the Americas.
Discuss.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 12, 2025 04:47 PM (GBKbO)
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"1619-1718?"
-- Harvard PhD in EcoGastronomy, Biomimicry, & Fermentation of Cannabis in Queer Bakery Science Studies
Discuss.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 12, 2025 04:47 PM (GBKbO)
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"1619-1718?"
-- Harvard PhD in EcoGastronomy, Biomimicry, & Fermentation of Cannabis in Queer Bakery Science Studies
Posted by: ShainS -- TrumpLand Map: Better Coverage than 5G ... Can you hear us now? at March 12, 2025 05:01 PM (yQLIx)
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If the ICC was a real Court, they'd be all over this Covid mess.
Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2025 05:01 PM (npXNI)
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The COVID vax was just a large test group for the cancer research for mRNA drugs.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:01 PM (VofaG)
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The main reason they suspect it was a lab leak is that it was a literal leak out of an actual lab.
Posted by: Max Power at March 12, 2025 05:00 PM (q177U)
Lab leak is the politically palatable pretense
Posted by: Max Power at March 12, 2025 05:00 PM (q177U)
Lab leak is the politically palatable pretense
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 12, 2025 05:02 PM (sLD6a)
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DaveA: command lines never hurt anyone"
Once upon a time, I was learning DOS, Linux, and Cisco command line programming. Simultaneously.
Don't do that.
Once upon a time, I was learning DOS, Linux, and Cisco command line programming. Simultaneously.
Don't do that.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at March 12, 2025 05:02 PM (aXxgO)
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Vanity Fair reports on the FBI? As Frank Zappa inquired, “Where do I go to get organic Vaseline for my intercourse?”
Posted by: Deplorable Minion at March 12, 2025 05:02 PM (QSrLX)
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Yes, Brix and Fauci need to face repercussions for what they did. They both lied, openly, to the public and destroyed the economy. They are responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands. They are responsible for thousands of suicides and ruined lives.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 12, 2025 05:02 PM (2VST1)
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99 Horshoe bats are not migratory??
Posted by: Oglebay at March 12, 2025
Everyone knows that only coconuts and swallows are migratory.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 12, 2025 04:55 PM (e5NfL)
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Correction. From the Arthurian Manual, only African swallows are able to carry coconuts.
Posted by: Oglebay at March 12, 2025
Everyone knows that only coconuts and swallows are migratory.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 12, 2025 04:55 PM (e5NfL)
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Correction. From the Arthurian Manual, only African swallows are able to carry coconuts.
Posted by: Ciampino - Si Dottore, ho molta sete at March 12, 2025 05:03 PM (KjLnc)
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If your tinfoil hat does not have a grounding strap, its efficiency is really compromised.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2025 05:00 PM (QAkQ3)
Also, tinfoil is a misnomer. The substance in question is actually aluminum.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2025 05:00 PM (QAkQ3)
Also, tinfoil is a misnomer. The substance in question is actually aluminum.
Posted by: Wesley Crusher at March 12, 2025 05:03 PM (PiwSw)
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Big Government won the war so it could do anything! Ignoring that German, Italian, and Japanese et alia Big Government lost the war.
Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at March 12, 2025 05:03 PM (/tzYP)
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They are an evil organization like Cobra or Hydra
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at March 12, 2025 05:03 PM (2Bg3S)
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131 The main reason they suspect it was a lab leak is that it was a literal leak out of an actual lab.
Posted by: Max Power at March 12, 2025 05:00 PM (q177U)
Lab leak is the politically palatable pretense
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 12, 2025 05:02 PM (sLD6a)
funded by US Tax dollars, in a Communist Chinese Lab... with money laundered through Non Government Organizations... because gain of function research is outlawed in the US, because.... oh.... shit... its DANGEROUS.
Posted by: Max Power at March 12, 2025 05:00 PM (q177U)
Lab leak is the politically palatable pretense
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 12, 2025 05:02 PM (sLD6a)
funded by US Tax dollars, in a Communist Chinese Lab... with money laundered through Non Government Organizations... because gain of function research is outlawed in the US, because.... oh.... shit... its DANGEROUS.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2025 05:04 PM (QAkQ3)
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But my scarves were so cute!
Posted by: Deborah Birx at March 12, 2025 05:04 PM (DobEs)
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Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 04:56 PM (VofaG)
I don't think that's what happened at all. I think we have had what, in any other context, we'd call organized crime families more or less controlling the US foreign policy since the inter-war period, and that took off like crazy during WWII (including the OSS hiring the mafia, who the FBI still claimed DID NOT EXIST, to protect our docks during the war and help with the war against Italy).
And they did all of this more or less in the open. The Council on Foreign Relations membership roster of that era (well, and still), is full of familiar names that we all now associate with the Deep State, including who I'd consider the biggest players in the Deep State at that time -- Allen Dulles, and his brother John Foster Dulles.
But my question was -- how did the US citizens of that era let that happen? It was clear that overthrowing governments all over the world was not protecting or helping anyone, it was done on behalf of major US companies. Our central american policy was dictated by united fruit for example. A banana company.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 04:56 PM (VofaG)
I don't think that's what happened at all. I think we have had what, in any other context, we'd call organized crime families more or less controlling the US foreign policy since the inter-war period, and that took off like crazy during WWII (including the OSS hiring the mafia, who the FBI still claimed DID NOT EXIST, to protect our docks during the war and help with the war against Italy).
And they did all of this more or less in the open. The Council on Foreign Relations membership roster of that era (well, and still), is full of familiar names that we all now associate with the Deep State, including who I'd consider the biggest players in the Deep State at that time -- Allen Dulles, and his brother John Foster Dulles.
But my question was -- how did the US citizens of that era let that happen? It was clear that overthrowing governments all over the world was not protecting or helping anyone, it was done on behalf of major US companies. Our central american policy was dictated by united fruit for example. A banana company.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 05:04 PM (uCjyK)
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Just how many lab "leaks" have there been?
There's a claim that the current bird woofloo was out of Athens GA. Which is totes crazy talk, because when have gubmint ever created a problem so they could "fix" it???
There's a claim that the current bird woofloo was out of Athens GA. Which is totes crazy talk, because when have gubmint ever created a problem so they could "fix" it???
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at March 12, 2025 05:04 PM (Vqx30)
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Before I got on the X, Ace's blog and Pronhub were my only sources of critical news. Just the other day I perused your posts from the February/March 2020 timeframe to get an idea of what was upon us.
I think many of us figured out was going on from the start. Hell, I had it in late 2019 and my doctor refused to believe me while she was trying to push the vaccine.
I think many of us figured out was going on from the start. Hell, I had it in late 2019 and my doctor refused to believe me while she was trying to push the vaccine.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 12, 2025 05:04 PM (qwx/I)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 12, 2025 05:04 PM (63Dwl)
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108 87 What's a vanity fair?
Posted by: Most people at March 12, 2025 04:52 PM (DobEs)
Don't ask Andrea Mitchell, she'll say it was Thackeray.
Posted by: John Bunyan at March 12, 2025 04:57 PM (PiwSw)
No, that will only make her seem educated. Better to say that it's what Thackeray told her.
Posted by: Most people at March 12, 2025 04:52 PM (DobEs)
Don't ask Andrea Mitchell, she'll say it was Thackeray.
Posted by: John Bunyan at March 12, 2025 04:57 PM (PiwSw)
No, that will only make her seem educated. Better to say that it's what Thackeray told her.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at March 12, 2025 05:04 PM (hKDlP)
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But being in to both, I still can't answer the question of how we went from a country of people who hated war, distrusted government, believed in very limited power for elected people, etc. to what we became post- WW2.
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The rabble-rousers and contrarians were sent to die.
The remainers were crushed under for a decade while being forced to seek succor from the Government.
They got their minds right: FDR saved America.
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The rabble-rousers and contrarians were sent to die.
The remainers were crushed under for a decade while being forced to seek succor from the Government.
They got their minds right: FDR saved America.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 12, 2025 05:05 PM (2EU+I)
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leak > duckspeak translator > deadly vicious bio warfare
Posted by: Ray at March 12, 2025 05:05 PM (5wLuE)
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130 The COVID vax was just a large test group for the cancer research for mRNA drugs.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:01 PM (VofaG)
Yeah, research on how to CAUSE cancer.
/spit
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:01 PM (VofaG)
Yeah, research on how to CAUSE cancer.
/spit
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2025 05:05 PM (QAkQ3)
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But my scarves were so cute!
Posted by: Deborah Birx at March 12, 2025 05:04 PM (DobEs)
Never again wonder how the nazis could have committed their war crimes with such acceptance of their own people.
Posted by: Deborah Birx at March 12, 2025 05:04 PM (DobEs)
Never again wonder how the nazis could have committed their war crimes with such acceptance of their own people.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 12, 2025 05:06 PM (sLD6a)
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Never let a virus go to waste.
Posted by: Rahm the bomb at March 12, 2025 05:06 PM (63Dwl)
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She seeks succor down by the sea shore.
Posted by: From the gubmint at March 12, 2025 05:07 PM (DobEs)
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They knew. They lied.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at March 12, 2025 04:25 PM (aPBRN)
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Yup. But my question is "why did they lie?"
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at March 12, 2025 04:25 PM (aPBRN)
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Yup. But my question is "why did they lie?"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 12, 2025 05:07 PM (YqDXo)
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I don't understand the reasoning here.
Posted by: Semi-LiterateThug at March 12, 2025 04:57 PM (t1fZA)
In my poorly-written post, I meant to say the globalists wanted as many dead as possible, and knew the shot caused cancer. So prohibiting possible cancer cures post-jab would be in line with their over-arching evil objective of reducing the world's population.
Posted by: Semi-LiterateThug at March 12, 2025 04:57 PM (t1fZA)
In my poorly-written post, I meant to say the globalists wanted as many dead as possible, and knew the shot caused cancer. So prohibiting possible cancer cures post-jab would be in line with their over-arching evil objective of reducing the world's population.
Posted by: fly gal at March 12, 2025 05:07 PM (wpiSB)
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>>> 137 Big Government won the war so it could do anything! Ignoring that German, Italian, and Japanese et alia Big Government lost the war.
Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at March 12, 2025 05:03 PM (/tzYP)
LOL
Does anyone else remember "government is just a word for things we do together"?
How about the graphic (I can't remember the context at all, maybe the JEF's 2012 campaign) of the outline of the US showing multiple streams of .... something ... flowing into dee cee with the largest flows near the center, of course. It didn't give me the impression I think they intended.
Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at March 12, 2025 05:03 PM (/tzYP)
LOL
Does anyone else remember "government is just a word for things we do together"?
How about the graphic (I can't remember the context at all, maybe the JEF's 2012 campaign) of the outline of the US showing multiple streams of .... something ... flowing into dee cee with the largest flows near the center, of course. It didn't give me the impression I think they intended.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at March 12, 2025 05:08 PM (Vqx30)
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After WW 2 the Cold War was in progress for the next 40 years . You youngsters never lived through that.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:08 PM (VofaG)
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at March 12, 2025 05:08 PM (aXxgO)
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149 But my scarves were so cute!
Posted by: Deborah Birx at March 12, 2025 05:04 PM (DobEs)
Never again wonder how the nazis could have committed their war crimes with such acceptance of their own people.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 12, 2025 05:06 PM (sLD6a)
This. This is such a casually written statement that it's almost too simple to take seriously, but it is absolutely spot-on. I cannot adequately express how profoundly this experience changed my views on government.
Posted by: Deborah Birx at March 12, 2025 05:04 PM (DobEs)
Never again wonder how the nazis could have committed their war crimes with such acceptance of their own people.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 12, 2025 05:06 PM (sLD6a)
This. This is such a casually written statement that it's almost too simple to take seriously, but it is absolutely spot-on. I cannot adequately express how profoundly this experience changed my views on government.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at March 12, 2025 05:08 PM (hKDlP)
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But my question was -- how did the US citizens of that era let that happen? It was clear that overthrowing governments all over the world was not protecting or helping anyone, it was done on behalf of major US companies. Our central american policy was dictated by united fruit for example. A banana company.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 05:04 PM (uCjyK)
Looked it up today... since the name change from War Department, to Department of Defense, the Pentagon has been involved in 201 Military Actions (shooting) all on foreign soil.
Really don't think the name change made sense.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 05:04 PM (uCjyK)
Looked it up today... since the name change from War Department, to Department of Defense, the Pentagon has been involved in 201 Military Actions (shooting) all on foreign soil.
Really don't think the name change made sense.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2025 05:08 PM (QAkQ3)
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Never again wonder how the nazis could have committed their war crimes with such acceptance of their own people.
Nope, me either. I saw it unfold in real time right before my eyes, right down to the kids snitching on their parents and detainment camps being built.
Nope, me either. I saw it unfold in real time right before my eyes, right down to the kids snitching on their parents and detainment camps being built.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 12, 2025 05:09 PM (2VST1)
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Still, it's hard to believe a population could 180 like that so quickly. From blind distrust of institutions to blind trust. Overnight.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 04:52 PM (uCjyK)
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I wonder how much of a role media played in that -- as well as Soviet infiltration of the institutions (Marxism was already then present in the universities as documented and described by Allan Bloom in "The Closing of the American Mind")?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 04:52 PM (uCjyK)
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I wonder how much of a role media played in that -- as well as Soviet infiltration of the institutions (Marxism was already then present in the universities as documented and described by Allan Bloom in "The Closing of the American Mind")?
Posted by: ShainS -- TrumpLand Map: Better Coverage than 5G ... Can you hear us now? at March 12, 2025 05:09 PM (yQLIx)
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The most generous theory I'm willing to believe is that HIV was endemic in the Congo for a long time, but because untreated AIDS is so fatal, it never really spread. But the Belgians accidentally spread HIV far and wide by re-using needles in one of their inoculation campaigns in the 1920's or so, which led to the spread of HIV, and eventually it ended up going global.
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Didn't someone here post...last week?...that some sort of DNA or corpse from 50+ years ago had been re-tested for some reason, and tested positive for HIV/AIDs?
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Didn't someone here post...last week?...that some sort of DNA or corpse from 50+ years ago had been re-tested for some reason, and tested positive for HIV/AIDs?
Posted by: Crusader at March 12, 2025 05:09 PM (TN0g+)
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I think many of us figured out was going on from the start. Hell, I had it in late 2019 and my doctor refused to believe me while she was trying to push the vaccine.
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My brother and sister-in-law got it between Christmas 2019 and New Year's week, visiting my dad in hospital for 10 or so days with what was probably a minor stroke. One of my dad's Chinese nurses also went out sick during that week.
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My brother and sister-in-law got it between Christmas 2019 and New Year's week, visiting my dad in hospital for 10 or so days with what was probably a minor stroke. One of my dad's Chinese nurses also went out sick during that week.
Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at March 12, 2025 05:10 PM (/tzYP)
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mRNA was focused on curing cancer. It makes sense to me that a non perfected mRNA vax could cause cancer .
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:10 PM (VofaG)
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The Babylon Bee did our Rosie O'Donnell flipping over Ireland joke.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2025 05:10 PM (qhXNf)
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I agree that Fauci should swing. Full stop.
But it won't be for "lying". Officials with the proper clearances have an OBLIGATION to protect sources and methods. Even if that includes lying, even to Congress under oath. Sorry guys. In fact, that butthole Tony could be charged with FAILING to lie, if it meant failing to protect a classified program (about which I have zero knowledge).
No, he can investigated for his OTHER major failing, which is his oath: to protect the US, against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Don't hold your breath.
But ruining his legacy, reputation, and stature - go for it. The rat deserves it.
But it won't be for "lying". Officials with the proper clearances have an OBLIGATION to protect sources and methods. Even if that includes lying, even to Congress under oath. Sorry guys. In fact, that butthole Tony could be charged with FAILING to lie, if it meant failing to protect a classified program (about which I have zero knowledge).
No, he can investigated for his OTHER major failing, which is his oath: to protect the US, against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Don't hold your breath.
But ruining his legacy, reputation, and stature - go for it. The rat deserves it.
Posted by: goatexchange at March 12, 2025 05:10 PM (hyS0X)
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Didn't someone here post...last week?...that some sort of DNA or corpse from 50+ years ago had been re-tested for some reason, and tested positive for HIV/AIDs?
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Lucky stiff.
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Lucky stiff.
Posted by: petey buttigieg at March 12, 2025 05:10 PM (/tzYP)
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Prior to COVID the mRNA research ....
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:10 PM (VofaG)
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155 After WW 2 the Cold War was in progress for the next 40 years . You youngsters never lived through that.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:08 PM (VofaG)
That's true. I was born during Reagans second term, so everything I know about that period is not first hand knowledge, obviously.
Still, I think it's safe to say maybe the people went a bit too far with the nationalism and loving the government stuff there for a bit, no?
Maybe they were a bit too willing to buy the stories about saving the world from communism to really pay attention to what was going on? I don't know.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:08 PM (VofaG)
That's true. I was born during Reagans second term, so everything I know about that period is not first hand knowledge, obviously.
Still, I think it's safe to say maybe the people went a bit too far with the nationalism and loving the government stuff there for a bit, no?
Maybe they were a bit too willing to buy the stories about saving the world from communism to really pay attention to what was going on? I don't know.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 05:11 PM (uCjyK)
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163 mRNA was focused on curing cancer. It makes sense to me that a non perfected mRNA vax could cause cancer .
rtvax > mrna vax.
vaxeln forever!
rtvax > mrna vax.
vaxeln forever!
Posted by: anachronda at March 12, 2025 05:11 PM (oY6Yp)
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This is such a casually written statement that it's almost too simple to take seriously, but it is absolutely spot-on. I cannot adequately express how profoundly this experience changed my views on government.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at March 12, 2025 05:08 PM (hKDlP)
Not casually, contemptuously. I am in a foul mood, so I should come back later on a lighter topic, or just stop commenting.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at March 12, 2025 05:08 PM (hKDlP)
Not casually, contemptuously. I am in a foul mood, so I should come back later on a lighter topic, or just stop commenting.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 12, 2025 05:11 PM (sLD6a)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 12, 2025 05:11 PM (2VST1)
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Never again wonder how the nazis could have committed their war crimes with such acceptance of their own people.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 12, 2025 05:06 PM (sLD6a)
This. This is such a casually written statement that it's almost too simple to take seriously, but it is absolutely spot-on. I cannot adequately express how profoundly this experience changed my views on government.
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It deeply affects my views of this country, its people, and the worth of the 2nd Amendment. Because there were some policy *abuses* that I would have sworn would have kicked in an armed resistance....that didn't. Loads and loads of our people just rolled over and said "Well...ok."
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 12, 2025 05:06 PM (sLD6a)
This. This is such a casually written statement that it's almost too simple to take seriously, but it is absolutely spot-on. I cannot adequately express how profoundly this experience changed my views on government.
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It deeply affects my views of this country, its people, and the worth of the 2nd Amendment. Because there were some policy *abuses* that I would have sworn would have kicked in an armed resistance....that didn't. Loads and loads of our people just rolled over and said "Well...ok."
Posted by: Crusader at March 12, 2025 05:11 PM (TN0g+)
Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at March 12, 2025 05:11 PM (/tzYP)
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Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 04:52 PM (uCjyK)
We became the big dog after WWII. With that came the idea that we also become the protector or as we call it now the World Police. Because American morality is mostly Christian based and responsible to protect the weak . That's the mindset that eventually turned into the world police which just made everyone hate us including many of our own citizens.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 04:56 PM (VofaG)
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Not exactly - we created a free trade zone to combat the commies in the Soviet Union.
We became the big dog after WWII. With that came the idea that we also become the protector or as we call it now the World Police. Because American morality is mostly Christian based and responsible to protect the weak . That's the mindset that eventually turned into the world police which just made everyone hate us including many of our own citizens.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 04:56 PM (VofaG)
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Not exactly - we created a free trade zone to combat the commies in the Soviet Union.
Posted by: Black JEM at March 12, 2025 05:11 PM (GZYu7)
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People who expect this from Bondi and Trump are going to be sorely disappointed. You're thinking they're much more powerful than they are. They can cause havoc for the ruling class in many ways, and they are. But they can't and won't lay a finger on any of them personally.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
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All status quo predictions eventually turn sour because what cannot go on will not go on. Sort of like tectonic plates--you can get away predicting day after day that no major earthquake will happen--until it does.
Simply put, you are asserting a naive assumption that never ever changes or will change. Repeatedly throughout human society, that is true until suddenly it isn't. So skepticism is wise, pessimism is not over the long run.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
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All status quo predictions eventually turn sour because what cannot go on will not go on. Sort of like tectonic plates--you can get away predicting day after day that no major earthquake will happen--until it does.
Simply put, you are asserting a naive assumption that never ever changes or will change. Repeatedly throughout human society, that is true until suddenly it isn't. So skepticism is wise, pessimism is not over the long run.
Posted by: whig at March 12, 2025 05:12 PM (ctrM5)
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The Flu basically disappeared in 2020-2022. Or so they say.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:12 PM (VofaG)
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The Babylon Bee did our Rosie O'Donnell flipping over Ireland joke.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2025 05:10 PM (qhXNf) contemptuous.
The Jonah Goldbergs of The Onions.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2025 05:10 PM (qhXNf) contemptuous.
The Jonah Goldbergs of The Onions.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at March 12, 2025 05:12 PM (sLD6a)
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There was a press conference in Africa with local medical administrators. Some Western reporter asked them if people in Africa had sex with monkeys. Hilarity ensued
Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 12, 2025 05:12 PM (2Km7O)
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But it won't be for "lying". Officials with the proper clearances have an OBLIGATION to protect sources and methods. Even if that includes lying, even to Congress under oath.
Posted by: goatexchange at March 12, 2025 05:10 PM (hyS0X)
Uh, no. He is not an Intelligence asset... he is a Doctor that runs our Healthcare. He does not get a pass for telling blatant lies to both Congress, and their boss, the Electorate.
Posted by: goatexchange at March 12, 2025 05:10 PM (hyS0X)
Uh, no. He is not an Intelligence asset... he is a Doctor that runs our Healthcare. He does not get a pass for telling blatant lies to both Congress, and their boss, the Electorate.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2025 05:13 PM (QAkQ3)
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Never again wonder how the nazis could have committed their war crimes with such acceptance of their own people.
Nope, me either. I saw it unfold in real time right before my eyes, right down to the kids snitching on their parents and detainment camps being built.
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Several policemen rushing to throw a grandma to the ground to arrest her for not wearing a mask is what free, democratic societies do.
Nope, me either. I saw it unfold in real time right before my eyes, right down to the kids snitching on their parents and detainment camps being built.
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Several policemen rushing to throw a grandma to the ground to arrest her for not wearing a mask is what free, democratic societies do.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 12, 2025 05:13 PM (2EU+I)
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Deplorable Jay Guevara: "Yup. But my question is 'why did they lie?'"
To escape blame/responsibility/culpability for releasing what was supposed to be a controlled bioweapon. At a minimum, they were breaking American law by "outsourcing" forbidden work. It was essential to redirect attention to natural, uncontrollable forces.
And that's probably the most generous excuse.
To escape blame/responsibility/culpability for releasing what was supposed to be a controlled bioweapon. At a minimum, they were breaking American law by "outsourcing" forbidden work. It was essential to redirect attention to natural, uncontrollable forces.
And that's probably the most generous excuse.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at March 12, 2025 05:14 PM (aXxgO)
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Not exactly - we created a free trade zone to combat the commies in the Soviet Union.
Posted by: Black JEM at March 12, 2025 05:11 PM (GZYu7)
What not exactly or are you saying in addition to? Again as I subsequently posted, the Cold War had a big effect on people's mindset.
Posted by: Black JEM at March 12, 2025 05:11 PM (GZYu7)
What not exactly or are you saying in addition to? Again as I subsequently posted, the Cold War had a big effect on people's mindset.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:14 PM (VofaG)
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Looked it up today... since the name change from War Department, to Department of Defense, the Pentagon has been involved in 201 Military Actions (shooting) all on foreign soil.
Really don't think the name change made sense.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2025 05:08 PM (QAkQ3)
That's just the Pentagon.
We don't actually know how many para-military, not to mention clandestine ops (aka: overthrowing governments) our intelligence agencies have been involved in.
At this point, I assume ... most? All? I don't know.
Because it's very interesting to me that the CIA was set up to counter the KGB, and yet the CIA spent most of their time and resources overthrowing third world governments, fucking around with Western European countries and elections, and not trying to infiltrate the Iron Curtain.
Really don't think the name change made sense.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2025 05:08 PM (QAkQ3)
That's just the Pentagon.
We don't actually know how many para-military, not to mention clandestine ops (aka: overthrowing governments) our intelligence agencies have been involved in.
At this point, I assume ... most? All? I don't know.
Because it's very interesting to me that the CIA was set up to counter the KGB, and yet the CIA spent most of their time and resources overthrowing third world governments, fucking around with Western European countries and elections, and not trying to infiltrate the Iron Curtain.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 05:14 PM (uCjyK)
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Not casually, contemptuously. I am in a foul mood, so I should come back later on a lighter topic, or just stop commenting.
I prescribe you a hug and a pet snuggling on your lap. Feel free to add a cup of tea.
I prescribe you a hug and a pet snuggling on your lap. Feel free to add a cup of tea.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 12, 2025 05:14 PM (2VST1)
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178 There was a press conference in Africa with local medical administrators. Some Western reporter asked them if people in Africa had sex with monkeys. Hilarity ensued
Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 12, 2025 05:12 PM (2Km7O)
Yeah, almost as good as the video of the reporter who went to Harlem, and asked if they had ID, and knew where the DMV was.... voter ID stuff.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 12, 2025 05:12 PM (2Km7O)
Yeah, almost as good as the video of the reporter who went to Harlem, and asked if they had ID, and knew where the DMV was.... voter ID stuff.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2025 05:14 PM (QAkQ3)
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And they did all of this more or less in the open. The Council on Foreign Relations membership roster of that era (well, and still), is full of familiar names that we all now associate with the Deep State, including who I'd consider the biggest players in the Deep State at that time -- Allen Dulles, and his brother John Foster Dulles.
But my question was -- how did the US citizens of that era let that happen? It was clear that overthrowing governments all over the world was not protecting or helping anyone, it was done on behalf of major US companies. Our central american policy was dictated by united fruit for example. A banana company.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 05:04 PM (uCjyK)
If you're talking about the 1950's, don't forget that the Red Scare dominated everything. The Commies were going to take over the world! The Commies were going to nuke us tomorrow! Anyone who opposes our governments efforts to oppose them is a dirty stinking commie!
The fear factor was dialed up to 11 constantly as the US was kept on a virtual wartime footing from a military standpoint. Didn't even start to break until the protests about the Vietnam War got intense.
But my question was -- how did the US citizens of that era let that happen? It was clear that overthrowing governments all over the world was not protecting or helping anyone, it was done on behalf of major US companies. Our central american policy was dictated by united fruit for example. A banana company.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 05:04 PM (uCjyK)
If you're talking about the 1950's, don't forget that the Red Scare dominated everything. The Commies were going to take over the world! The Commies were going to nuke us tomorrow! Anyone who opposes our governments efforts to oppose them is a dirty stinking commie!
The fear factor was dialed up to 11 constantly as the US was kept on a virtual wartime footing from a military standpoint. Didn't even start to break until the protests about the Vietnam War got intense.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 12, 2025 05:14 PM (uWKK8)
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But my scarves were so cute!
Posted by: Deborah Birx at March 12, 2025 05:04 PM (DobEs)
Never again wonder how the nazis could have committed their war crimes with such acceptance of their own people.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder
The MSM has a tell for us if we'd just see it: Their 'good guys' have a fashion icon that they'll mention repeatedly. For example:
Brix - scarves
Biden - aviators
Mike Obama - toned arms
There's lots more.
They'll let us know, every time.
Posted by: Deborah Birx at March 12, 2025 05:04 PM (DobEs)
Never again wonder how the nazis could have committed their war crimes with such acceptance of their own people.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder
The MSM has a tell for us if we'd just see it: Their 'good guys' have a fashion icon that they'll mention repeatedly. For example:
Brix - scarves
Biden - aviators
Mike Obama - toned arms
There's lots more.
They'll let us know, every time.
Posted by: Tonypete at March 12, 2025 05:14 PM (cYBz/)
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Several policemen rushing to throw a grandma to the ground to arrest her for not wearing a mask is what free, democratic societies do.
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And don't forget handcuffing people by themselves at beaches and parks.
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And don't forget handcuffing people by themselves at beaches and parks.
Posted by: Crusader at March 12, 2025 05:15 PM (TN0g+)
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Oh noes!!!! Has this been reported on here yet?
"BREAKING NEWS: ABC refuses to renew contracts with Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar on The View, citing a desire to move away from “toxic” elements."
If true, some of our best socks are about to sublimate.
"BREAKING NEWS: ABC refuses to renew contracts with Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar on The View, citing a desire to move away from “toxic” elements."
If true, some of our best socks are about to sublimate.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 12, 2025 05:15 PM (a3Q+t)
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When they arrested the guy on the paddle board.
Posted by: Pepperidge Farm at March 12, 2025 05:15 PM (DobEs)
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Sorry Romeo, doesn't matter. My brother - a Naval officer, not an Intell officer - ran a classified Satellite program, and had full authority to hide the "client". A clearance is a clearance.
Posted by: goatexchange at March 12, 2025 05:15 PM (hyS0X)
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Darrell Harris: "I cannot adequately express how profoundly this experience changed my views on government."
Yours and the majority of the world. Covid catastrophe and the Biden gaslighting era have changed American culture. It's a historic period of transformation.
Yours and the majority of the world. Covid catastrophe and the Biden gaslighting era have changed American culture. It's a historic period of transformation.
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at March 12, 2025 05:16 PM (aXxgO)
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The absolute worst revelation of the Wuhan Flu episode was the way the Christian Churches responded. The government said "you must close" and 99.5% of them said "yeah okay." Even ones that really should have known better. CHURCHES NEVER CLOSE.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 12, 2025 05:16 PM (2VST1)
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Looks like VF is attempting a sleight of hand, admitting that it may have come from a lab, but making it sound like it came from a stored sample. So if it was released from WIV, it was totally by accident you guys, and not manufactured with funding from Fauci.
Posted by: Grudge Harbor at March 12, 2025 05:16 PM (4DY5T)
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Because it's very interesting to me that the CIA was set up to counter the KGB, and yet the CIA spent most of their time and resources overthrowing third world governments, fucking around with Western European countries and elections, and not trying to infiltrate the Iron Curtain.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 05:14 PM (uCjyK)
It's enlightening to look back and realize that the KGB above anyone else always knew exactly what we were up to, and always knew what big liars we were about everything.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 05:14 PM (uCjyK)
It's enlightening to look back and realize that the KGB above anyone else always knew exactly what we were up to, and always knew what big liars we were about everything.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 12, 2025 05:16 PM (uWKK8)
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"shoveling bat guano from the floor of the mine shaft"
I saw a video of scientists who rigged up a trolley camera and lighting to closely inspect the surface of a 50ft conical pile of undisturbed guano in a cave somewhere. There's a whole little ecosystem that lives in there.
I saw a video of scientists who rigged up a trolley camera and lighting to closely inspect the surface of a 50ft conical pile of undisturbed guano in a cave somewhere. There's a whole little ecosystem that lives in there.
Posted by: Journal of Sudden Liquids and Abrupt Semisolids Quarterly at March 12, 2025 05:17 PM (1VvJB)
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(also, has nothing to do with "assets", it has to do with classified programs.) And this Wuhan thing has GOT to be the worst SAP i have ever heard of.....
Posted by: goatexchange at March 12, 2025 05:17 PM (hyS0X)
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Simply put, you are asserting a naive assumption that never ever changes or will change. Repeatedly throughout human society, that is true until suddenly it isn't. So skepticism is wise, pessimism is not over the long run.
Posted by: whig at March 12, 2025 05:12
Certainly - if the US government is completely toppled (and it may well happen at some point soon), then sure, all these people are going to die. Forget jail. Dead.
But as long as it remains an operating institution, nobody gets touched. It exists only to protect the interests of the ruling class - and literally nothing else. Using it against itself in that manner is silly - no fed is ever going to arrest a made man, and if one were to, Hawaiian Justice will ride to his rescue.
If people want to see stuff like that happen, they better go a hell of a lot further than electing somebody..
Posted by: whig at March 12, 2025 05:12
Certainly - if the US government is completely toppled (and it may well happen at some point soon), then sure, all these people are going to die. Forget jail. Dead.
But as long as it remains an operating institution, nobody gets touched. It exists only to protect the interests of the ruling class - and literally nothing else. Using it against itself in that manner is silly - no fed is ever going to arrest a made man, and if one were to, Hawaiian Justice will ride to his rescue.
If people want to see stuff like that happen, they better go a hell of a lot further than electing somebody..
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at March 12, 2025 05:17 PM (BI5O2)
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The fear factor was dialed up to 11 constantly as the US was kept on a virtual wartime footing from a military standpoint. Didn't even start to break until the protests about the Vietnam War got intense.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 12, 2025 05:14 PM (uWKK
Yeah. Maybe I had to be there. I was around and somewhat politically aware after 9/11 (I was young at the time) and during the War on Terror (tm). So I guess I get it a bit.
But at some point, people have to start questioning things, no?
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 12, 2025 05:14 PM (uWKK
Yeah. Maybe I had to be there. I was around and somewhat politically aware after 9/11 (I was young at the time) and during the War on Terror (tm). So I guess I get it a bit.
But at some point, people have to start questioning things, no?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 05:17 PM (uCjyK)
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The absolute worst revelation of the Wuhan Flu episode was the way the Christian Churches responded. The government said "you must close" and 99.5% of them said "yeah okay." Even ones that really should have known better. CHURCHES NEVER CLOSE.
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Yes. Liberal and GOPe mayors and governors closed churches while still allowing hundreds of people at a time to come and go inside Walmarts.
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Yes. Liberal and GOPe mayors and governors closed churches while still allowing hundreds of people at a time to come and go inside Walmarts.
Posted by: Crusader at March 12, 2025 05:18 PM (TN0g+)
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The Sublimated Socks was the garage band name for the group that would ultimately become known as The Luvin' Spoonful.
Posted by: Not a joke at March 12, 2025 05:18 PM (DobEs)
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Not exactly - we created a free trade zone to combat the commies in the Soviet Union.
Posted by: Black JEM
Twas a trading bloc but never 'free trade'. Part of the unstated part of the Marshall plan was to allow Euroland and Japan to 'catch up' by permitting them to block US imports via asymmetrical tariffs and other trading barriers to build their economies up.
This permitted them to run trade surpluses at the expense of the US manufacturing and agricultural interests but to teh benefit of the financial wizards at Wall Street and the soft power of being the world reserve currency for trade.
Essentially, we let them run up trade surpluses with us so they could pay for imports to compete with us in manufacturing. Became unsustainable when the Asian countries climbed aboard the screw Uncle Sam via trade and US corporations ended up outsourcing, off shoring, and other things to the detriment of US employment in making things. A service economy was the idea with no icky making things. Problem is, that only lasts until the value of your money runs out--then the crash. UK found that out via war debts in WWI and WWII. Austerity is the IMF prescription for countries in that mess
Posted by: Black JEM
Twas a trading bloc but never 'free trade'. Part of the unstated part of the Marshall plan was to allow Euroland and Japan to 'catch up' by permitting them to block US imports via asymmetrical tariffs and other trading barriers to build their economies up.
This permitted them to run trade surpluses at the expense of the US manufacturing and agricultural interests but to teh benefit of the financial wizards at Wall Street and the soft power of being the world reserve currency for trade.
Essentially, we let them run up trade surpluses with us so they could pay for imports to compete with us in manufacturing. Became unsustainable when the Asian countries climbed aboard the screw Uncle Sam via trade and US corporations ended up outsourcing, off shoring, and other things to the detriment of US employment in making things. A service economy was the idea with no icky making things. Problem is, that only lasts until the value of your money runs out--then the crash. UK found that out via war debts in WWI and WWII. Austerity is the IMF prescription for countries in that mess
Posted by: whig at March 12, 2025 05:18 PM (ctrM5)
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that the CIA was set up to counter the KGB, and yet the CIA spent most of their time and resources overthrowing third world governments, fucking around with Western European countries and elections, and not trying to infiltrate the Iron Curtain.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
You forgot overthrowing duly elected candidates and administrations here in the States.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
You forgot overthrowing duly elected candidates and administrations here in the States.
Posted by: Tonypete at March 12, 2025 05:18 PM (cYBz/)
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"WE" are not the "baddies". But Fauci and DeepState are the "baddies".
Number One threat to Liberty and USA?
DeepState (and their globalist "friends")
China
Islam (not a religion, a third world terrorist power)
Polar shift floods half the world in the 2040's
Number One threat to Liberty and USA?
DeepState (and their globalist "friends")
China
Islam (not a religion, a third world terrorist power)
Polar shift floods half the world in the 2040's
Posted by: illiniwek at March 12, 2025 05:18 PM (Cus5s)
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Several policemen rushing to throw a grandma to the ground to arrest her for not wearing a mask is what free, democratic societies do.
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And don't forget handcuffing people by themselves at beaches and parks.
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And the guy paddleboarding by himself, hundreds of yards out on the ocean.
30-40 manhours spent waiting him out to capture that dire threat to "public health."
But also, the brave, noble High Lord Defenders of Democracy in black robes that stood by like the cowards they are.
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And don't forget handcuffing people by themselves at beaches and parks.
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And the guy paddleboarding by himself, hundreds of yards out on the ocean.
30-40 manhours spent waiting him out to capture that dire threat to "public health."
But also, the brave, noble High Lord Defenders of Democracy in black robes that stood by like the cowards they are.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 12, 2025 05:19 PM (2EU+I)
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I still believe the Cold War was good vs evil and good won but not without casualties and lasting consequences.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:19 PM (VofaG)
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Yes. Liberal and GOPe mayors and governors closed churches while still allowing hundreds of people at a time to come and go inside Walmarts.
They kept churches closed but strip clubs open. Bars open. Liquor stores open. But not churches, even ones that said "fine, we'll meet outside, no touching, all masked, with seats 6 feet apart." They were told no.
This was a perfect chance for the Christian Church to stand up to the government and defy their evil, satanic orders, and meet to praise God anyway. A very few did, and fought in court, and won. They suffered grievously, but they won.
They kept churches closed but strip clubs open. Bars open. Liquor stores open. But not churches, even ones that said "fine, we'll meet outside, no touching, all masked, with seats 6 feet apart." They were told no.
This was a perfect chance for the Christian Church to stand up to the government and defy their evil, satanic orders, and meet to praise God anyway. A very few did, and fought in court, and won. They suffered grievously, but they won.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 12, 2025 05:19 PM (2VST1)
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Senate Democrats will shutdown the government. Schumer says no Democrats will vote for the CR.
Eh, go ahead Democrats.
Eh, go ahead Democrats.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 12, 2025 05:19 PM (VcmLr)
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191 Sorry Romeo, doesn't matter. My brother - a Naval officer, not an Intell officer - ran a classified Satellite program, and had full authority to hide the "client". A clearance is a clearance.
Posted by: goatexchange at March 12, 2025 05:15 PM (hyS0X)
Had full authority from whom? lol.
Security clearance does not, in any way, give anyone permission to lie under oath, or to lie to their bosses. They can say "I can't answer that question in a public hearing" (which they do all the time) but if they lie, it's perjury and if we had a serious Congress, people would go to jail for that
Posted by: goatexchange at March 12, 2025 05:15 PM (hyS0X)
Had full authority from whom? lol.
Security clearance does not, in any way, give anyone permission to lie under oath, or to lie to their bosses. They can say "I can't answer that question in a public hearing" (which they do all the time) but if they lie, it's perjury and if we had a serious Congress, people would go to jail for that
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 05:20 PM (uCjyK)
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Here's a refresher, if your bp isn't spiked enough.
The first clip is fuuunnnny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PQZFjY7Nfs
The first clip is fuuunnnny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PQZFjY7Nfs
Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 12, 2025 05:20 PM (FCbAQ)
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180 Never again wonder how the nazis could have committed their war crimes with such acceptance of their own people.
Nope, me either. I saw it unfold in real time right before my eyes, right down to the kids snitching on their parents and detainment camps being built.
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Several policemen rushing to throw a grandma to the ground to arrest her for not wearing a mask is what free, democratic societies do.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 12, 2025 05:13 PM (2EU+I)
We really need to start up a Truth and Reconciliation Commission on COVID19. Air all of the grievances.
Nope, me either. I saw it unfold in real time right before my eyes, right down to the kids snitching on their parents and detainment camps being built.
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Several policemen rushing to throw a grandma to the ground to arrest her for not wearing a mask is what free, democratic societies do.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 12, 2025 05:13 PM (2EU+I)
We really need to start up a Truth and Reconciliation Commission on COVID19. Air all of the grievances.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at March 12, 2025 05:20 PM (hKDlP)
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Corrupt Utah judge frees firefighter charged with child exploitation. Now both judge and firechief arrested and charged with multiple crimes against children
Posted by: I I'm gumby damn it! at March 12, 2025 05:20 PM (x5Jut)
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Yes. Liberal and GOPe mayors and governors closed churches while still allowing hundreds of people at a time to come and go inside Walmarts.
Posted by: Crusader
Strip joints and liquor stores also remained open.
The doors to the Cathedral were chained shut. I’m still pissed about that.
Posted by: Crusader
Strip joints and liquor stores also remained open.
The doors to the Cathedral were chained shut. I’m still pissed about that.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 12, 2025 05:20 PM (W2Pud)
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>>> 204 "WE" are not the "baddies". But Fauci and DeepState are the "baddies".
Number One threat to Liberty and USA?
DeepState (and their globalist "friends")
China
Islam (not a religion, a third world terrorist power)
Polar shift floods half the world in the 2040's
Posted by: illiniwek at March 12, 2025 05:18 PM (Cus5s)
Imagine telling your 2015 self that you would be posting this list ten years later.
Number One threat to Liberty and USA?
DeepState (and their globalist "friends")
China
Islam (not a religion, a third world terrorist power)
Polar shift floods half the world in the 2040's
Posted by: illiniwek at March 12, 2025 05:18 PM (Cus5s)
Imagine telling your 2015 self that you would be posting this list ten years later.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at March 12, 2025 05:20 PM (Vqx30)
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The most important thing to remember about COVID is that the American government lied. It wasn't mistaken, it wasn't sloppy, it wasn't "moving at the speed of science".
Decision makers like Biden, Fauci, and Austin knew by 2021 that
1) COVID came from the Wuhan lab
2) IVM is effective if given early
3) Masks do almost nothing
4) The clot shot does nothing to "stop the spread" and little if anything to reduce symptoms.
Decision makers like Biden, Fauci, and Austin knew by 2021 that
1) COVID came from the Wuhan lab
2) IVM is effective if given early
3) Masks do almost nothing
4) The clot shot does nothing to "stop the spread" and little if anything to reduce symptoms.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 12, 2025 05:21 PM (t0Rmr)
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I still believe the Cold War was good vs evil and good won but not without casualties and lasting consequences.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:19 PM (VofaG)
Agreed. There were too many great men on our side for it to have been a failure.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:19 PM (VofaG)
Agreed. There were too many great men on our side for it to have been a failure.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 12, 2025 05:21 PM (L5An7)
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206 I still believe the Cold War was good vs evil and good won but not without casualties and lasting consequences.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:19 PM (VofaG)
Again, maybe it's because I didn't live in that era, but it is very hard for me to relate to that viewpoint.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:19 PM (VofaG)
Again, maybe it's because I didn't live in that era, but it is very hard for me to relate to that viewpoint.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 05:21 PM (uCjyK)
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They need like 60 votes in the Senate. They have in the low 50's. Not gonna happen.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2025 05:21 PM (qhXNf)
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Certainly - if the US government is completely toppled (and it may well happen at some point soon), then sure, all these people are going to die. Forget jail. Dead.
But as long as it remains an operating institution, nobody gets touched. It exists only to protect the interests of the ruling class - and literally nothing else. Using it against itself in that manner is silly - no fed is ever going to arrest a made man, and if one were to, Hawaiian Justice will ride to his rescue.
If people want to see stuff like that happen, they better go a hell of a lot further than electing somebody..
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
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Embrace uncertainty as in we simply do not 'know' what the future will bring. I quit predicting shit years ago simply because my field of economics, politics and law quit being predictable years ago. I can draw correlations with past events but simply, put, we are no longer on the map and today is more akin to massive disruptions of society in the past than a status quo world.
I could have never predicted the Trump I presidency in the first place due to its improbabilities. A second is simply a six sigma event along with what he is doing so far.
But as long as it remains an operating institution, nobody gets touched. It exists only to protect the interests of the ruling class - and literally nothing else. Using it against itself in that manner is silly - no fed is ever going to arrest a made man, and if one were to, Hawaiian Justice will ride to his rescue.
If people want to see stuff like that happen, they better go a hell of a lot further than electing somebody..
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
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Embrace uncertainty as in we simply do not 'know' what the future will bring. I quit predicting shit years ago simply because my field of economics, politics and law quit being predictable years ago. I can draw correlations with past events but simply, put, we are no longer on the map and today is more akin to massive disruptions of society in the past than a status quo world.
I could have never predicted the Trump I presidency in the first place due to its improbabilities. A second is simply a six sigma event along with what he is doing so far.
Posted by: whig at March 12, 2025 05:22 PM (ctrM5)
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Because it's very interesting to me that the CIA was set up to counter the KGB, and yet the CIA spent most of their time and resources overthrowing third world governments, fucking around with Western European countries and elections, and not trying to infiltrate the Iron Curtain.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 05:14 PM
You left out that the cia was running wild executing "enemies" and conducting intelligence ops in SE Asia for a decade with virtually zero oversight from the government.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 05:14 PM
You left out that the cia was running wild executing "enemies" and conducting intelligence ops in SE Asia for a decade with virtually zero oversight from the government.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 12, 2025 05:22 PM (e5NfL)
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I never wore a mask. I was asked to a lot and said okay and but then just continued doing my business. I admit that I was probably just lucky that I wasn't tested by law enforcement.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:23 PM (VofaG)
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191 Sorry Romeo, doesn't matter. My brother - a Naval officer, not an Intell officer - ran a classified Satellite program, and had full authority to hide the "client". A clearance is a clearance.
Posted by: goatexchange at March 12, 2025 05:15 PM (hyS0X)
LOL... retired US Navy Electronics guy... specialty happened to be... Satellite Communications.
Fauci was not an Intelligence agent, nor a Military Officer.... Yes, there are classified things we will never talk about, and can even tell some lies about, but unless you are saying Fauci was an intelligence agent, and not a Doctor and Administrator? No, he does not get to lie about things when directly confronted by Congress...
Or is it your contention that the funding for Gain of Function research in a Communist Chinese Lab, was somehow an authorized Intelligence Project?
This was flat out lawbreaking... don't allow the rats to scurry for cover.
Posted by: goatexchange at March 12, 2025 05:15 PM (hyS0X)
LOL... retired US Navy Electronics guy... specialty happened to be... Satellite Communications.
Fauci was not an Intelligence agent, nor a Military Officer.... Yes, there are classified things we will never talk about, and can even tell some lies about, but unless you are saying Fauci was an intelligence agent, and not a Doctor and Administrator? No, he does not get to lie about things when directly confronted by Congress...
Or is it your contention that the funding for Gain of Function research in a Communist Chinese Lab, was somehow an authorized Intelligence Project?
This was flat out lawbreaking... don't allow the rats to scurry for cover.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2025 05:23 PM (QAkQ3)
Posted by: mrp at March 12, 2025 05:23 PM (rj6Yv)
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. Hell, I had it in late 2019 and my doctor refused to believe me while she was trying to push the vaccine.
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My brother and sister-in-law got it between Christmas 2019 and New Year's week, visiting my dad in hospital for 10 or so days with what was probably a minor stroke. One of my dad's Chinese nurses also went out sick during that week.
Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at March 12, 2025
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To this day I'm convinced I had the Coof in early December '19. It was like no other flu I'd ever had -- it did not start with a scratchy throat, for instance. And it did knock me for a loop. I wsa nowhere near real danger, but I slept a *lot.*
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My brother and sister-in-law got it between Christmas 2019 and New Year's week, visiting my dad in hospital for 10 or so days with what was probably a minor stroke. One of my dad's Chinese nurses also went out sick during that week.
Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at March 12, 2025
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To this day I'm convinced I had the Coof in early December '19. It was like no other flu I'd ever had -- it did not start with a scratchy throat, for instance. And it did knock me for a loop. I wsa nowhere near real danger, but I slept a *lot.*
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at March 12, 2025 05:23 PM (J2vNu)
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They need like 60 votes in the Senate. They have in the low 50's. Not gonna happen.
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That's not our concern. Let them shut it down. Life will go on.
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That's not our concern. Let them shut it down. Life will go on.
Posted by: Crusader at March 12, 2025 05:23 PM (TN0g+)
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Democrats in swing states are going to get toasted. For some reason shutdowns poll with jock itch. I’m ok with that.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 12, 2025 05:23 PM (VcmLr)
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I still believe the Cold War was good vs evil and good won but not without casualties and lasting consequences.
/i]
With an interesting caveat.
The threat of being replaced by Soviet selected elites forced some level of competency and honesty among American elites.
When the Soviets collapsed so did that restriction on western elites. Now that the US was the world's hyperpower they could do ANYTHING with no consequences. And instead of using that power for anything even nominally good they used it to
1) Enrich themselves
2) Indulge in ever more decadent perversions
3) Take fundamental human rights from their fellow citizens
/i]
With an interesting caveat.
The threat of being replaced by Soviet selected elites forced some level of competency and honesty among American elites.
When the Soviets collapsed so did that restriction on western elites. Now that the US was the world's hyperpower they could do ANYTHING with no consequences. And instead of using that power for anything even nominally good they used it to
1) Enrich themselves
2) Indulge in ever more decadent perversions
3) Take fundamental human rights from their fellow citizens
Posted by: 18-1 at March 12, 2025 05:23 PM (t0Rmr)
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EZ Pass number to pay my toll violation and they also told me my Norton subscription was expiring and there are hackers attacking my computer.
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I just received a text threatening me with dire consequences if I didn't pay a toll fine that was now overdue.
Fun fact: I haven't been on a toll road in many decades.
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I just received a text threatening me with dire consequences if I didn't pay a toll fine that was now overdue.
Fun fact: I haven't been on a toll road in many decades.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 12, 2025 05:23 PM (YqDXo)
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"Senate Democrats will shutdown the government."
Well, good. It's a necessary step to save Democracy and it's about time someone did it.
Well, good. It's a necessary step to save Democracy and it's about time someone did it.
Posted by: New And Improved Bizarro MFM at March 12, 2025 05:23 PM (aXxgO)
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220 Because it's very interesting to me that the CIA was set up to counter the KGB, and yet the CIA spent most of their time and resources overthrowing third world governments, fucking around with Western European countries and elections, and not trying to infiltrate the Iron Curtain.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 05:14 PM
You left out that the cia was running wild executing "enemies" and conducting intelligence ops in SE Asia for a decade with virtually zero oversight from the government.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 12, 2025 05:22 PM (e5NfL)
Kind of like the discussion we had a few days ago: Name one (good) thing that the CIA was actually successful in doing in its entire history. It's a toughie.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 05:14 PM
You left out that the cia was running wild executing "enemies" and conducting intelligence ops in SE Asia for a decade with virtually zero oversight from the government.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 12, 2025 05:22 PM (e5NfL)
Kind of like the discussion we had a few days ago: Name one (good) thing that the CIA was actually successful in doing in its entire history. It's a toughie.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at March 12, 2025 05:24 PM (hKDlP)
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Some youtuber named Laowhy had this all figured out in a few months of Covid.
I bet FBI just used his work.
I bet FBI just used his work.
Posted by: Harun at March 12, 2025 05:24 PM (IuIym)
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225 They need like 60 votes in the Senate. They have in the low 50's. Not gonna happen.
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That's not our concern. Let them shut it down. Life will go on.
Posted by: Crusader
Why 60 instead of a simple majority?
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That's not our concern. Let them shut it down. Life will go on.
Posted by: Crusader
Why 60 instead of a simple majority?
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 12, 2025 05:24 PM (W2Pud)
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I believe the coof was circulating as early as February 2018.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2025 05:24 PM (qhXNf)
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221 I never wore a mask. I was asked to a lot and said okay and but then just continued doing my business. I admit that I was probably just lucky that I wasn't tested by law enforcement.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:23 PM (VofaG)
I was lucky, my little town here in Central Calif declared themselves a Covid Sanctuary city.... would not legally enforce any of the Covid crap... and the County Sheriff said 'I have better things to do'.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:23 PM (VofaG)
I was lucky, my little town here in Central Calif declared themselves a Covid Sanctuary city.... would not legally enforce any of the Covid crap... and the County Sheriff said 'I have better things to do'.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2025 05:24 PM (QAkQ3)
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Kind of like the discussion we had a few days ago: Name one (good) thing that the CIA was actually successful in doing in its entire history. It's a toughie.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at March 12, 2025 05:24 PM (hKDlP)
They have a long and storied history of existing.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at March 12, 2025 05:24 PM (hKDlP)
They have a long and storied history of existing.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 12, 2025 05:24 PM (KtIIi)
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The absolute worst revelation of the Wuhan Flu episode was the way the Christian Churches responded. The government said "you must close" and 99.5% of them said "yeah okay." Even ones that really should have known better. CHURCHES NEVER CLOSE.
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I still struggle with my church doing that.
And recommending we take the shot.
It's a test of my faith, for sure.
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I still struggle with my church doing that.
And recommending we take the shot.
It's a test of my faith, for sure.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 12, 2025 05:24 PM (2EU+I)
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"Imagine telling your 2015 self that you would be posting this list ten years later."
Well, maybe my 2003 self would be amazed. By 2015 I believed most of that ... the pole shift thing is sorta whimsical, but could be true.
Well, maybe my 2003 self would be amazed. By 2015 I believed most of that ... the pole shift thing is sorta whimsical, but could be true.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 12, 2025 05:25 PM (Cus5s)
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Twas a trading bloc but never 'free trade'. Part of the unstated part of the Marshall plan was to allow Euroland and Japan to 'catch up' by permitting them to block US imports via asymmetrical tariffs and other trading barriers to build their economies up.
Posted by: whig at March 12, 2025 05:18 PM (ctrM5)
The Marshall Plan is a perfect example of how the Deep State operated back then (and still does to some extent.)
Lots of well connected Americans got rich, the CIA used the money as a slush fund, and the American worker was subsidizing his competition in Europe.
We had the greatest advantage in the history of the world -- we were the only industrialized nation that wasn't either destroyed by bombs or occupied by the Soviets.
And instead of rolling with that and enjoying our good fortune (and well-earned war dividend), we decided it was more important to throw ungodly sums of money in to a corrupt pit of hell that was post-war Europe. So that well connected people in the US and Western Europe could get fabulously wealthy off the backs of the American middle class.
Posted by: whig at March 12, 2025 05:18 PM (ctrM5)
The Marshall Plan is a perfect example of how the Deep State operated back then (and still does to some extent.)
Lots of well connected Americans got rich, the CIA used the money as a slush fund, and the American worker was subsidizing his competition in Europe.
We had the greatest advantage in the history of the world -- we were the only industrialized nation that wasn't either destroyed by bombs or occupied by the Soviets.
And instead of rolling with that and enjoying our good fortune (and well-earned war dividend), we decided it was more important to throw ungodly sums of money in to a corrupt pit of hell that was post-war Europe. So that well connected people in the US and Western Europe could get fabulously wealthy off the backs of the American middle class.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 05:25 PM (uCjyK)
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Why 60 instead of a simple majority?
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 12, 2025 05:24 PM (W2Pud)
Closure... to end debate...
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 12, 2025 05:24 PM (W2Pud)
Closure... to end debate...
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2025 05:25 PM (QAkQ3)
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Again, maybe it's because I didn't live in that era, but it is very hard for me to relate to that viewpoint.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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The Cold War was the Great Cause of several generations from the Greatest, Silents, to the Boomers, to Gen X. Gen X, for idiosyncratic reasons is probably the least impressed because the Soviet Union of the 80's inspired disgust rather than attraction by that point. A series of geriatric leaders, Chernobyl, Afghanistan, and other such idiocies in the 80's with persistent inability for the Russians to feed themselves made them a whole lot less scary despite media attempts than during the 50's and 60's.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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The Cold War was the Great Cause of several generations from the Greatest, Silents, to the Boomers, to Gen X. Gen X, for idiosyncratic reasons is probably the least impressed because the Soviet Union of the 80's inspired disgust rather than attraction by that point. A series of geriatric leaders, Chernobyl, Afghanistan, and other such idiocies in the 80's with persistent inability for the Russians to feed themselves made them a whole lot less scary despite media attempts than during the 50's and 60's.
Posted by: whig at March 12, 2025 05:25 PM (ctrM5)
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223 Quite a "third term" , Barry
Thanks a lot.
Posted by: mrp at March 12, 2025 05:23 PM (rj6Yv
Free as a bird, guilty as hell. Or whatever.
Thanks a lot.
Posted by: mrp at March 12, 2025 05:23 PM (rj6Yv
Free as a bird, guilty as hell. Or whatever.
Posted by: Eromero at March 12, 2025 05:25 PM (jgmnb)
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>> This was flat out lawbreaking... don't allow the rats to scurry for cover
For which people should be tied to a rope and dragged behind a pickup truck while it spins donuts on Pennsylvania Avenue then tossed into the Potomac for fish food.
For which people should be tied to a rope and dragged behind a pickup truck while it spins donuts on Pennsylvania Avenue then tossed into the Potomac for fish food.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 12, 2025 05:25 PM (VcmLr)
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Again, maybe it's because I didn't live in that era, but it is very hard for me to relate to that viewpoint.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 05:21 PM (uCjyK)
Because I assume to you America is just a country you happened to be born in. Nothing exceptional and pretty much always wrong.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 05:21 PM (uCjyK)
Because I assume to you America is just a country you happened to be born in. Nothing exceptional and pretty much always wrong.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:26 PM (VofaG)
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“Cloture” my friend.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 12, 2025 05:26 PM (VcmLr)
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Fun fact: I haven't been on a toll road in many decades.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 12, 2025 05:23 PM (YqDXo)
My favorite was an offer to my mother (dead for two years) to radically decrease her student loan debt.
Oh... she didn't go to college in this country.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 12, 2025 05:23 PM (YqDXo)
My favorite was an offer to my mother (dead for two years) to radically decrease her student loan debt.
Oh... she didn't go to college in this country.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 12, 2025 05:26 PM (L5An7)
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To this day I'm convinced I had the Coof in early December '19. It was like no other flu I'd ever had -- it did not start with a scratchy throat, for instance. And it did knock me for a loop. I wsa nowhere near real danger, but I slept a *lot.*
My brother had it in late November 19, he had every symptom down to the loss of sense of taste. He just figured it was a really horrendous cold (which is honestly what it was), but later realized.
My brother had it in late November 19, he had every symptom down to the loss of sense of taste. He just figured it was a really horrendous cold (which is honestly what it was), but later realized.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 12, 2025 05:26 PM (2VST1)
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Lab leak theory is to shake off the plan to destroy a portion of the population and cripple President Trump's first administration
Posted by: Skip i at March 12, 2025 05:26 PM (fwDg9)
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BTW Rand Paul also says he won’t vote for the CR. WTF is wrong with Kentucky.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 12, 2025 05:27 PM (VcmLr)
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Nothing exceptional and pretty much always wrong.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:26 PM (VofaG)
Don't bother.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:26 PM (VofaG)
Don't bother.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 12, 2025 05:27 PM (L5An7)
Posted by: It was brilliant at March 12, 2025 05:27 PM (DobEs)
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Filibusterer?
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2025 05:27 PM (qhXNf)
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Human Coronavirus OC43 has been circulating for 100 years in the US - from a previous coronavirus pandemic out of Asia of course. It is estimated to be about 1/4 of "flu" viruses.
And yes, recent exposure to OC43 gives you some level of resistance to COVID.
Part of my discovery of how all this COVID crap was bullshit was finding out we already were dealing with coronaviruses and the only novel thing about this one was China created it under Fauci's direction
And yes, recent exposure to OC43 gives you some level of resistance to COVID.
Part of my discovery of how all this COVID crap was bullshit was finding out we already were dealing with coronaviruses and the only novel thing about this one was China created it under Fauci's direction
Posted by: 18-1 at March 12, 2025 05:27 PM (t0Rmr)
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My parents are hilarious. They're the exact opposite of the Boomers who get suckered in by scam emails.
My dad's the guy who sees its a scam immediately and then starts digging...
I think he might be better "at computers" than I am.
My dad's the guy who sees its a scam immediately and then starts digging...
I think he might be better "at computers" than I am.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 12, 2025 05:27 PM (KtIIi)
Posted by: Big Penguin at March 12, 2025 05:27 PM (a3Q+t)
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Yes. Liberal and GOPe mayors and governors closed churches while still allowing hundreds of people at a time to come and go inside Walmarts.
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A peak "we are making shit up just to test how far we can force obedience" was Whitmer ordering to Walmarts to close of the garden sections.
Lest people buy outdoor items and dare go ... into their own fucking yards!
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A peak "we are making shit up just to test how far we can force obedience" was Whitmer ordering to Walmarts to close of the garden sections.
Lest people buy outdoor items and dare go ... into their own fucking yards!
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 12, 2025 05:28 PM (2EU+I)
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Because it's very interesting to me that the CIA was set up to counter the KGB, and yet the CIA spent most of their time and resources overthrowing third world governments, fucking around with Western European countries and elections, and not trying to infiltrate the Iron Curtain.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 05:14 PM
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They tried to infiltrate agents behind the Iron Curtain, but the CIA was so thoroughly penetrated by the Soviets that agents (mostly White Russians and Ukrainians) were arrested immediately on arrival and executed. See Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen, to name two, and there were probably others.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 05:14 PM
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They tried to infiltrate agents behind the Iron Curtain, but the CIA was so thoroughly penetrated by the Soviets that agents (mostly White Russians and Ukrainians) were arrested immediately on arrival and executed. See Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen, to name two, and there were probably others.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 12, 2025 05:28 PM (YqDXo)
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Looked it up today... since the name change from War Department, to Department of Defense, the Pentagon has been involved in 201 Military Actions (shooting) all on foreign soil.
Really don't think the name change made sense.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2025 05:08 PM (QAkQ3)
Voters would have raised hell over the idea of massive funding for war... but opposing defense? What are you, a commie stooge?
The name change made perfect sense.
Really don't think the name change made sense.
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2025 05:08 PM (QAkQ3)
Voters would have raised hell over the idea of massive funding for war... but opposing defense? What are you, a commie stooge?
The name change made perfect sense.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 12, 2025 05:28 PM (ExV1e)
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Cloture.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2025 05:28 PM (qhXNf)
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To this day I'm convinced I had the Coof in early December '19. It was like no other flu I'd ever had...
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Both very fit; wiped out for a week; badly off for another week; their GP couldn't believe it came on so quick and so hard to have been flu. I can't recall their treatment if just OTC stuff or Rx from the GP though they saw him later so probably no major Rx.
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Both very fit; wiped out for a week; badly off for another week; their GP couldn't believe it came on so quick and so hard to have been flu. I can't recall their treatment if just OTC stuff or Rx from the GP though they saw him later so probably no major Rx.
Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at March 12, 2025 05:29 PM (/tzYP)
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Our church didn't really close. We met outside for while and at someone's house outside but we came back fairly soon and that was a vote by all our members. We are small enough and have a large enough church to spread out easily.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2025 05:29 PM (qG7JU)
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I just received a text threatening me with dire consequences if I didn't pay a toll fine that was now overdue.
Fun fact: I haven't been on a toll road in many decades.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 12, 2025 05:23 PM (YqDXo)
Received that text yesterday
Fun fact: I haven't been on a toll road in many decades.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 12, 2025 05:23 PM (YqDXo)
Received that text yesterday
Posted by: A dude in MI at March 12, 2025 05:29 PM (/6GbT)
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Gen X, for idiosyncratic reasons is probably the least impressed because the Soviet Union of the 80's inspired disgust rather than attraction by that point.
I agree, for us in Gen X, the Soviet Union was not scary like it had been for previous generations. They were more pathetic. We were scared of being nuked to death but we were more worried the US would do it than the USSR.
I agree, for us in Gen X, the Soviet Union was not scary like it had been for previous generations. They were more pathetic. We were scared of being nuked to death but we were more worried the US would do it than the USSR.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 12, 2025 05:29 PM (2VST1)
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We had the greatest advantage in the history of the world -- we were the only industrialized nation that wasn't either destroyed by bombs or occupied by the Soviets.
And instead of rolling with that and enjoying our good fortune (and well-earned war dividend), we decided it was more important to throw ungodly sums of money in to a corrupt pit of hell that was post-war Europe. So that well connected people in the US and Western Europe could get fabulously wealthy off the backs of the American middle class.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Yep but the workers in Europe have had their wages jacked down to the point that people in Mississippi are wealthier on average than almost all citizens in the EU countries except possibly for Germany in the past. If you get off the tourist track in Euroland, there is real suffering and primitive buildings/living akin to some of the worst of the US in places.
I see cloud people that float above all that except for worrying about their portfolio while others are struggling to put meals on the table in many countries. and living drab, joyless, prole lifestyles on the permanent dole. Meanwhile open borders to bring in barbarians.
And instead of rolling with that and enjoying our good fortune (and well-earned war dividend), we decided it was more important to throw ungodly sums of money in to a corrupt pit of hell that was post-war Europe. So that well connected people in the US and Western Europe could get fabulously wealthy off the backs of the American middle class.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Yep but the workers in Europe have had their wages jacked down to the point that people in Mississippi are wealthier on average than almost all citizens in the EU countries except possibly for Germany in the past. If you get off the tourist track in Euroland, there is real suffering and primitive buildings/living akin to some of the worst of the US in places.
I see cloud people that float above all that except for worrying about their portfolio while others are struggling to put meals on the table in many countries. and living drab, joyless, prole lifestyles on the permanent dole. Meanwhile open borders to bring in barbarians.
Posted by: whig at March 12, 2025 05:29 PM (ctrM5)
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Kind of like the discussion we had a few days ago: Name one (good) thing that the CIA was actually successful in doing in its entire history. It's a toughie.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at March 12, 2025 05:24 PM (hKDlP)
Tapping the Soviet undersea cable and raising one of their sunken submarines right under their noses.
They had assistance from other agencies but they were CIA ops.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at March 12, 2025 05:24 PM (hKDlP)
Tapping the Soviet undersea cable and raising one of their sunken submarines right under their noses.
They had assistance from other agencies but they were CIA ops.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:29 PM (VofaG)
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German intel thought so at the time as well and it was hidden.
Posted by: steevy at March 12, 2025 05:29 PM (KQk9m)
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Yes. Liberal and GOPe mayors and governors closed churches while still allowing hundreds of people at a time to come and go inside Walmarts.
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The epitome of madness: cops arresting people who were alone at the beach a hundred yards away from anyone, citing Covid restrictions.
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The epitome of madness: cops arresting people who were alone at the beach a hundred yards away from anyone, citing Covid restrictions.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 12, 2025 05:29 PM (YqDXo)
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They knew from day one that it 'escaped' from the American funded Chinese bio-weapon lab.
What they didn't know that, like most Chinese made shit, it was shit.
What they didn't know that, like most Chinese made shit, it was shit.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 12, 2025 05:30 PM (/lPRQ)
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Even "low confidence" is an intentionally confusing, modified limited hangout, intended to be misconstrued.
When an agency says we believe "x" to be true, they then assign a "confidence" rating to it.
"Low confidence" of a belief in "x" doesn't mean the agency don't think its true, it means that "x" is their best opinion, but objective proof is not the strongest.
But ripe to be deliberately misconstrued in headlines like "Agency Has Low Confidence In Lab Leak Theory" --to imply that the agency dis-believes it.
When an agency says we believe "x" to be true, they then assign a "confidence" rating to it.
"Low confidence" of a belief in "x" doesn't mean the agency don't think its true, it means that "x" is their best opinion, but objective proof is not the strongest.
But ripe to be deliberately misconstrued in headlines like "Agency Has Low Confidence In Lab Leak Theory" --to imply that the agency dis-believes it.
Posted by: Zek at March 12, 2025 05:30 PM (5FPX4)
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You left out that the cia was running wild executing "enemies" and conducting intelligence ops in SE Asia for a decade with virtually zero oversight from the government.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 12, 2025 05:22 PM (e5NfL)
Yeah, they seemed very interested in Laos and Vietnam for some reason.
Unrelatedly, I'm sure, that used to be the center for Opium production in the world, and the CIA now admits that they were involved in smuggling heroin around the world so that they could fund their dark ops.
Interestingly, but also, I'm sure unrelated, after both countries were all fucked up by the CIA, opium production shifted to... Afghanistan. The Taliban did not like that, and after the US invasion, American troops were protecting opium fields in A'stan, and at one point during the occupation, over 90% of all opium grown on planet earth was being grown in Afghanistan.
Also interesting is that that coincided perfectly with the rise of Opiates being prescribed in the US and the beginning of the opiate crisis.
I'm not saying it's all related, but... I don't know.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 12, 2025 05:22 PM (e5NfL)
Yeah, they seemed very interested in Laos and Vietnam for some reason.
Unrelatedly, I'm sure, that used to be the center for Opium production in the world, and the CIA now admits that they were involved in smuggling heroin around the world so that they could fund their dark ops.
Interestingly, but also, I'm sure unrelated, after both countries were all fucked up by the CIA, opium production shifted to... Afghanistan. The Taliban did not like that, and after the US invasion, American troops were protecting opium fields in A'stan, and at one point during the occupation, over 90% of all opium grown on planet earth was being grown in Afghanistan.
Also interesting is that that coincided perfectly with the rise of Opiates being prescribed in the US and the beginning of the opiate crisis.
I'm not saying it's all related, but... I don't know.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 05:30 PM (uCjyK)
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"Some youtuber named Laowhy had this all figured out in a few months of Covid."
I've occasionally watched him and his South African friend for a few years. He and others critical of China have been showing their channels are censored/muted by YouTube, while pro-China propaganda is boosted.
I think even X still favors China ... since Musk is tied to them for producing his Teslas.
I've occasionally watched him and his South African friend for a few years. He and others critical of China have been showing their channels are censored/muted by YouTube, while pro-China propaganda is boosted.
I think even X still favors China ... since Musk is tied to them for producing his Teslas.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 12, 2025 05:30 PM (Cus5s)
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The name change made perfect sense.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 12, 2025 05:28 PM (ExV1e)
We have to fight them over there so you don't mind us shoving our hands into your pockets over here.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 12, 2025 05:28 PM (ExV1e)
We have to fight them over there so you don't mind us shoving our hands into your pockets over here.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 12, 2025 05:30 PM (KtIIi)
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The Dem "No Apologies No Regrets " tour is going as I expected .
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Posted by: mrp at March 12, 2025 05:30 PM (rj6Yv)
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Lest people buy outdoor items and dare go ... into their own fucking yards!
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 12, 2025 05:28 PM (2EU+I)
I'm curious- what/if you know was her approval rate during Covid and what is it now?
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 12, 2025 05:28 PM (2EU+I)
I'm curious- what/if you know was her approval rate during Covid and what is it now?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2025 05:30 PM (qG7JU)
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You had to be out of National Parks at midnight.
The virus was smart enough to know the time.
It would pass over your head while eating at a restaurant, but if you stood up, you had to wear your mask.
The virus was smart enough to know the time.
It would pass over your head while eating at a restaurant, but if you stood up, you had to wear your mask.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 12, 2025 05:31 PM (2VST1)
Posted by: Marcus T at March 12, 2025 05:31 PM (VcmLr)
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I thought Rand Paul was a Trans entertainer.
Posted by: Dreamingrobot at March 12, 2025 05:31 PM (MVvsB)
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The Sublimated Socks was the garage band name for the group that would ultimately become known as The Luvin' Spoonful.
Posted by: Not a joke
Undisturbed Guano opened for them.
The Sublimated Socks was the garage band name for the group that would ultimately become known as The Luvin' Spoonful.
Posted by: Not a joke
Undisturbed Guano opened for them.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 12, 2025 05:31 PM (63Dwl)
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248 BTW Rand Paul also says he won’t vote for the CR. WTF is wrong with Kentucky.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 12, 2025 05:27 PM (VcmLr)
So it won't pass and they can say . See Bi-Partisan !
Posted by: Marcus T at March 12, 2025 05:27 PM (VcmLr)
So it won't pass and they can say . See Bi-Partisan !
Posted by: It's me donna at March 12, 2025 05:31 PM (VE6XX)
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Yes. Liberal and GOPe mayors and governors closed churches while still allowing hundreds of people at a time to come and go inside Walmarts.
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The epitome of madness: cops arresting people who were alone at the beach a hundred yards away from anyone, citing Covid restrictions.
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As always strip bars and bath houses were the safest places!
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The epitome of madness: cops arresting people who were alone at the beach a hundred yards away from anyone, citing Covid restrictions.
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As always strip bars and bath houses were the safest places!
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 12, 2025 05:31 PM (/lPRQ)
Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at March 12, 2025 05:32 PM (B9Prs)
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I also come back to the issue that, regardless of lab origin, did the Chicoms intentionally let is spread and conceal the epicenter of Wuhan. Abso frickin lutely.
That alone, and anyone in league with that is a hanging offense.
That alone, and anyone in league with that is a hanging offense.
Posted by: Zek at March 12, 2025 05:32 PM (5FPX4)
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The Eastern and Western American Oceans.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2025 05:32 PM (qhXNf)
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#281, yeah, there's an unpaid tab with China's name on it.
Posted by: Crusader at March 12, 2025 05:32 PM (TN0g+)
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lol, guys, guys. please, please. Between Need to Know, and Sources and Methods principles, with highly specialized and classified programs, those involved to do wacky things that even other Intell officers don't get. I have lied many many times, to bosses, officials, law enforcement, etc, etc. Because the job required me - legally - to do so. Some knew I was lying, most didn't. I have a good friend who is REQUIRED to lie in court repeatedly, every year, for the DC bar. She then goes privately to the judge with an Intel rep escort to explain. Behind closed doors. All perfectly legal. And in fact mandatory.
I would love to see Fauci torn apart by beagles. But it won't be for "lying", I suspect.
I would love to see Fauci torn apart by beagles. But it won't be for "lying", I suspect.
Posted by: goatexchange at March 12, 2025 05:32 PM (hyS0X)
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Schumer sees the money train coming to an end. He wanted to squeeze out some additional fraud for his party. His members will pay the price.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 12, 2025 05:33 PM (VcmLr)
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I could have never predicted the Trump I presidency in the first place due to its improbabilities. A second is simply a six sigma event along with what he is doing so far.
Posted by: whig at March 12, 2025 05:22 PM (ctrM5)
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The Right Man in the Right Place at the Right Time. Twice.
Although not a former Wartime General, my candidate for The Third Indispensable Man -- after Washington and Grant.
Posted by: whig at March 12, 2025 05:22 PM (ctrM5)
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The Right Man in the Right Place at the Right Time. Twice.
Although not a former Wartime General, my candidate for The Third Indispensable Man -- after Washington and Grant.
Posted by: ShainS -- TrumpLand Map: Better Coverage than 5G ... Can you hear us now? at March 12, 2025 05:33 PM (aEtKl)
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If you get off the tourist track in Euroland, there is real suffering and primitive buildings/living akin to some of the worst of the US in places.
People from the richest places in Europe are astounded by how much stuff is in our stores, and how big our houses are. How readily available hot water is. How we have huge washers and driers for clothes.
People from the richest places in Europe are astounded by how much stuff is in our stores, and how big our houses are. How readily available hot water is. How we have huge washers and driers for clothes.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 12, 2025 05:33 PM (2VST1)
Posted by: San Franpsycho at March 12, 2025 05:33 PM (RIvkX)
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To this day I'm convinced I had the Coof in early December '19. It was like no other flu I'd ever had...
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Both very fit; wiped out for a week; badly off for another week; their GP couldn't believe it came on so quick and so hard to have been flu. I can't recall their treatment if just OTC stuff or Rx from the GP though they saw him later so probably no major Rx.
Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at March 12, 2025 05:29 PM
I had it in Dec 2019 before it became news. My doctor kept treating me for bronchitis. After the third round of antibiotics didn't do a thing for me he sent me to an asthma doctor who did a lung scan on me. Congratulations, you have asthma, you have had it all of your life but it just manifested last month and you have to be on this inhaler for the rest of your life.
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Both very fit; wiped out for a week; badly off for another week; their GP couldn't believe it came on so quick and so hard to have been flu. I can't recall their treatment if just OTC stuff or Rx from the GP though they saw him later so probably no major Rx.
Posted by: andycanuck (/tzYP) at March 12, 2025 05:29 PM
I had it in Dec 2019 before it became news. My doctor kept treating me for bronchitis. After the third round of antibiotics didn't do a thing for me he sent me to an asthma doctor who did a lung scan on me. Congratulations, you have asthma, you have had it all of your life but it just manifested last month and you have to be on this inhaler for the rest of your life.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 12, 2025 05:34 PM (e5NfL)
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246 To this day I'm convinced I had the Coof in early December '19. It was like no other flu I'd ever had -- it did not start with a scratchy throat, for instance. And it did knock me for a loop. I wsa nowhere near real danger, but I slept a *lot.*
My brother had it in late November 19, he had every symptom down to the loss of sense of taste. He just figured it was a really horrendous cold (which is honestly what it was), but later realized.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Very possible. We know it was in Italy earlier than when China finally got around to telling the rest of the world. Think the initial reports of workers getting sick was in Sept of 2019 and the world wide military games were held in Wuhan in October 2019 which offered an excellent way to spread Covid to the world. Athletes in their prime would actually be good carriers because they would not probably even notice much if they got sick.
My brother had it in late November 19, he had every symptom down to the loss of sense of taste. He just figured it was a really horrendous cold (which is honestly what it was), but later realized.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Very possible. We know it was in Italy earlier than when China finally got around to telling the rest of the world. Think the initial reports of workers getting sick was in Sept of 2019 and the world wide military games were held in Wuhan in October 2019 which offered an excellent way to spread Covid to the world. Athletes in their prime would actually be good carriers because they would not probably even notice much if they got sick.
Posted by: whig at March 12, 2025 05:35 PM (ctrM5)
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Wisteria seeds are popping. Hopefully i don't catch one in the noggin. A couple just plinked of the siding of the house.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at March 12, 2025 05:35 PM (KtIIi)
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Didn't someone here post...last week?...that some sort of DNA or corpse from 50+ years ago had been re-tested for some reason, and tested positive for HIV/AIDs?
Posted by: Crusader
I hate to mention this, but 50+ years ago was the 1970s.
So right when IADS was getting spread around the gay communities, but before it got mainstream notice.
Posted by: Crusader
I hate to mention this, but 50+ years ago was the 1970s.
So right when IADS was getting spread around the gay communities, but before it got mainstream notice.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at March 12, 2025 05:36 PM (hB7mE)
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278 248 BTW Rand Paul also says he won’t vote for the CR. WTF is wrong with Kentucky.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 12, 2025 05:27 PM (VcmLr)
So it won't pass and they can say . See Bi-Partisan !
Posted by: It's me donna at March 12, 2025 05:31 PM (VE6XX)
OMB under Russ Vought then gets the chance to decide which government programs get shut down during the shutdown. The Dems really aren't going to like giving Trump the pimp hand on this one. Rand Paul is probably looking forward to giving the reins to Trump.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 12, 2025 05:27 PM (VcmLr)
So it won't pass and they can say . See Bi-Partisan !
Posted by: It's me donna at March 12, 2025 05:31 PM (VE6XX)
OMB under Russ Vought then gets the chance to decide which government programs get shut down during the shutdown. The Dems really aren't going to like giving Trump the pimp hand on this one. Rand Paul is probably looking forward to giving the reins to Trump.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at March 12, 2025 05:36 PM (hKDlP)
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... or however you spell that disease. I was going to call it GRID first.
Posted by: FeatherBlade at March 12, 2025 05:36 PM (hB7mE)
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Posted by: ShainS -- TrumpLand Map: Better Coverage than 5G ... Can you hear us now? at March 12, 2025 05:33 PM (aEtKl)
Sorry but he failed us the last year allowing Fauci to basically take over. But I see that now as a blessing in disguise because I don't think he would be doing what he's doing now if the election wasn't stolen.
Sorry but he failed us the last year allowing Fauci to basically take over. But I see that now as a blessing in disguise because I don't think he would be doing what he's doing now if the election wasn't stolen.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:37 PM (VofaG)
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Watching the Crew 10 stream in the background, some idiot in a sailboat thought it would be a good idea to try to get up close to Pad 39A for some sightseeing.
The Coast Guard is intercepting them now. They will pay a big fine at the least, if not go to jail. Idiots.
Watching the Crew 10 stream in the background, some idiot in a sailboat thought it would be a good idea to try to get up close to Pad 39A for some sightseeing.
The Coast Guard is intercepting them now. They will pay a big fine at the least, if not go to jail. Idiots.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at March 12, 2025 05:37 PM (w6EFb)
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Trump: We need to shut down large swaths of the Federal government.
Democrats: We will shutdown the government.
Trump: ???
Trump: We need to shut down large swaths of the Federal government.
Democrats: We will shutdown the government.
Trump: ???
Posted by: Grump928(C) at March 12, 2025 05:37 PM (jc0TO)
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I love my sister with all my heart. Every Christmas, she hosts a beautiful gathering at which an annual activity is “catch the flu and see if you can cheat death again this year.” I am positive COVID was the special guest in 2019.
Posted by: Oglebay at March 12, 2025 05:37 PM (2ap+5)
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Because I assume to you America is just a country you happened to be born in. Nothing exceptional and pretty much always wrong.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:26 PM (VofaG)
No, I wouldn't say that.
The American culture of yesteryear created the greatest economy and culture on earth.
But it was ... I don't know? co-opted? by a group of soulless assholes who wanted to get rich and has transformed it in to something else. And I think that process happened in the early to middle 20th century.
I don't know what that says about "Americans" since I think 99% of Americans had nothing to do with that transformation, and would not have supported it if they knew about it.
But let me turn that around on you, though -- currently our government is funding overthrowing governments around the world and pushing non-stop gay and trans propaganda on unsuspecting populations around the world. Do you support that? If not, can we admit that the US government was wrong on that specific subject? And possibly others?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:26 PM (VofaG)
No, I wouldn't say that.
The American culture of yesteryear created the greatest economy and culture on earth.
But it was ... I don't know? co-opted? by a group of soulless assholes who wanted to get rich and has transformed it in to something else. And I think that process happened in the early to middle 20th century.
I don't know what that says about "Americans" since I think 99% of Americans had nothing to do with that transformation, and would not have supported it if they knew about it.
But let me turn that around on you, though -- currently our government is funding overthrowing governments around the world and pushing non-stop gay and trans propaganda on unsuspecting populations around the world. Do you support that? If not, can we admit that the US government was wrong on that specific subject? And possibly others?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 05:37 PM (uCjyK)
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Anyone with 2 braincells to rub together knew this in Spring 2020, the moment you wound out about the Viral Institute in Wuhan where it first popped up.
Posted by: SkylerKet at March 12, 2025 05:38 PM (SXIn9)
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It's possible they didn't mind how many it killed as long as it got to Trump. And it did.
Posted by: torabora at March 12, 2025 05:38 PM (0Gnoc)
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Why 60 instead of a simple majority?
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 12, 2025 05:24 PM (W2Pud)
Closure... to end debate...
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2025 05:25 PM (QAkQ3)
And Thune needs to make them REALLY filibuster. Let the country seem the Democrats talking, non-stop, for days to keep the government shut down. Really drive it home.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 12, 2025 05:24 PM (W2Pud)
Closure... to end debate...
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 12, 2025 05:25 PM (QAkQ3)
And Thune needs to make them REALLY filibuster. Let the country seem the Democrats talking, non-stop, for days to keep the government shut down. Really drive it home.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 12, 2025 05:38 PM (ExV1e)
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Is it automatic that everything is backpayed during shutdown or can the nix that?
Posted by: A dude in MI at March 12, 2025 05:38 PM (/6GbT)
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They could use the shutdown to close and sell Feral office buildings.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2025 05:39 PM (qhXNf)
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Nood. More corruption.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at March 12, 2025 05:39 PM (ExV1e)
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And Thune needs to make them REALLY filibuster. Let the country seem the Democrats talking, non-stop, for days to keep the government shut down. Really drive it home.
Yeah I am sick of this "take a vote" filibuster. You want a filibuster? Stand up and talk. Do your job.
Yeah I am sick of this "take a vote" filibuster. You want a filibuster? Stand up and talk. Do your job.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 12, 2025 05:40 PM (2VST1)
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Is there a reason “cloture” makes me think of “dentata”?
Posted by: Oglebay at March 12, 2025 05:40 PM (2ap+5)
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301 It's possible they didn't mind how many it killed as long as it got to Trump. And it did.
Posted by: torabora at March 12, 2025 05:38 PM (0Gnoc)
That. Right. There.
Posted by: torabora at March 12, 2025 05:38 PM (0Gnoc)
That. Right. There.
Posted by: Eromero at March 12, 2025 05:40 PM (PHeWe)
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Russiagate
Posted by: mrp at March 12, 2025 05:40 PM (rj6Yv)
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My theory in 2020 was that the virus was released in 2019 to shut down the protests in Hong Kong.
Part of my theory is that many Hong Kong people traveled to Italy because of the clothing industry connection and that's where it developed first in Europe.
And guess what , no more Hong Kong protests.
Part of my theory is that many Hong Kong people traveled to Italy because of the clothing industry connection and that's where it developed first in Europe.
And guess what , no more Hong Kong protests.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 12, 2025 05:41 PM (VofaG)
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>>Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 12, 2025 05:34 PM (e5NfL)
I want to say I have read some interesting things on the benefits of certain mushrooms for asthma symptoms in the past 3 years or so...
Lions Mane is the one that I recall being beneficial for respiratory ailments...but don't quote me on that.
I want to say I have read some interesting things on the benefits of certain mushrooms for asthma symptoms in the past 3 years or so...
Lions Mane is the one that I recall being beneficial for respiratory ailments...but don't quote me on that.
Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2025 05:41 PM (npXNI)
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I have lied many many times, to bosses, officials, law enforcement, etc, etc. Because the job required me - legally - to do so. Some knew I was lying, most didn't. I have a good friend who is REQUIRED to lie in court repeatedly, every year, for the DC bar. She then goes privately to the judge with an Intel rep escort to explain. Behind closed doors. All perfectly legal. And in fact mandatory.
I would love to see Fauci torn apart by beagles. But it won't be for "lying", I suspect.
Posted by: goatexchange at March 12, 2025 05:32 PM (hyS0X)
I don't think anything will happen to Fauci, either.
Also, no lawyer is going to lie in court to the judge, that's not how that works. You'd have an in camera appearance (ie: outside of the court room) to explain why something can't be admitted in to evidence. It almost definitely would not be ex parte either.
Also, none of that is legal, and if what you say is true, I suggest you whistleblow to someone, as that is a huge story if we have government employees who think theyre mandating by law to lie under oath.
I would love to see Fauci torn apart by beagles. But it won't be for "lying", I suspect.
Posted by: goatexchange at March 12, 2025 05:32 PM (hyS0X)
I don't think anything will happen to Fauci, either.
Also, no lawyer is going to lie in court to the judge, that's not how that works. You'd have an in camera appearance (ie: outside of the court room) to explain why something can't be admitted in to evidence. It almost definitely would not be ex parte either.
Also, none of that is legal, and if what you say is true, I suggest you whistleblow to someone, as that is a huge story if we have government employees who think theyre mandating by law to lie under oath.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 05:41 PM (uCjyK)
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People from the richest places in Europe are astounded by how much stuff is in our stores, and how big our houses are. How readily available hot water is. How we have huge washers and driers for clothes.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 12, 2025 05:33 PM (2VST1)
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And how teenagers here often have cars, which many adults in Europe cannot afford.
Most of Europe (apart from Germany) is actually quite poor, surprisingly so, by American standards.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 12, 2025 05:33 PM (2VST1)
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And how teenagers here often have cars, which many adults in Europe cannot afford.
Most of Europe (apart from Germany) is actually quite poor, surprisingly so, by American standards.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 12, 2025 05:42 PM (YqDXo)
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Watching the Crew 10 stream in the background, some idiot in a sailboat thought it would be a good idea to try to get up close to Pad 39A for some sightseeing.
The Coast Guard is intercepting them now. They will pay a big fine at the least, if not go to jail. Idiots.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley
Why not just sink them.
It's the way to get these clowns to realize that the public's safety is paramount during these launches.
The Coast Guard is intercepting them now. They will pay a big fine at the least, if not go to jail. Idiots.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley
Why not just sink them.
It's the way to get these clowns to realize that the public's safety is paramount during these launches.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 12, 2025 05:42 PM (/lPRQ)
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But it won't be for "lying". Officials with the proper clearances have an OBLIGATION to protect sources and methods. Even if that includes lying, even to Congress under oath. Sorry guys. In fact, that butthole Tony could be charged with FAILING to lie, if it meant failing to protect a classified program (about which I have zero knowledge).
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Posted by: goatexchange at March 12, 2025 05:10 PM (hyS0X)
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If that’s the kind of shit country you want to live in.
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Posted by: goatexchange at March 12, 2025 05:10 PM (hyS0X)
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If that’s the kind of shit country you want to live in.
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 12, 2025 05:42 PM (3NiEn)
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Lions Mane is the one that I recall being beneficial for respiratory ailments...but don't quote me on that.
Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2025 05:41 PM (npXNI)
I think you're thinking of Psilocybin mushrooms. They're supposed to be great for all kinds of ailments.
Posted by: garrett at March 12, 2025 05:41 PM (npXNI)
I think you're thinking of Psilocybin mushrooms. They're supposed to be great for all kinds of ailments.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 12, 2025 05:43 PM (uCjyK)
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Northern Italy is quite rich.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2025 05:43 PM (qhXNf)
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278 248 BTW Rand Paul also says he won’t vote for the CR. WTF is wrong with Kentucky.
Posted by: Marcus T
Silliness. Rand's personal brand is iconoclast despite never really achieving much of anything other than being elected. Not a grifter really but someone who will never achieve much like Massie other than oppose everything.
Used to be a representative from Iowa, HR Gross. He was known in the House as the abominable No Man. Never achieved much of anything than notoriety and eventually retired with his ability to say to both good and bad bills--I always voted no.
That was his ultimate principle, never having to say he was sorry or wrong by voting no on everything.
Posted by: Marcus T
Silliness. Rand's personal brand is iconoclast despite never really achieving much of anything other than being elected. Not a grifter really but someone who will never achieve much like Massie other than oppose everything.
Used to be a representative from Iowa, HR Gross. He was known in the House as the abominable No Man. Never achieved much of anything than notoriety and eventually retired with his ability to say to both good and bad bills--I always voted no.
That was his ultimate principle, never having to say he was sorry or wrong by voting no on everything.
Posted by: whig at March 12, 2025 05:43 PM (ctrM5)
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My theory in 2020 was that the virus was released in 2019 to shut down the protests in Hong Kong.
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Nah. I don't think it was released. I think it got out as an eff up in the lab. Having been to China, and seen how ... relaxed ... their health and safety standards are, a screwup is the most likely explanation.
Where China is actually culpable was in allowing travel OUT of China, while forbidding travel WITHIN China. I think they figured that if the virus was going to kick their economy in the balls, they wanted it to kick other countries' economies in the balls too, so they wouldn't be especially disadvantaged.
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Nah. I don't think it was released. I think it got out as an eff up in the lab. Having been to China, and seen how ... relaxed ... their health and safety standards are, a screwup is the most likely explanation.
Where China is actually culpable was in allowing travel OUT of China, while forbidding travel WITHIN China. I think they figured that if the virus was going to kick their economy in the balls, they wanted it to kick other countries' economies in the balls too, so they wouldn't be especially disadvantaged.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 12, 2025 05:46 PM (YqDXo)
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Half a million Hateians about to get the boott.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2025 05:47 PM (qhXNf)
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315 But it won't be for "lying". Officials with the proper clearances have an OBLIGATION to protect sources and methods. Even if that includes lying, even to Congress under oath. Sorry guys. In fact, that butthole Tony could be charged with FAILING to lie, if it meant failing to protect a classified program (about which I have zero knowledge).
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Posted by: goatexchange
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What you are asserting is state secrets doctrine but no, if you lie, it is not a formal legal defense unless your government overseers invoke state secrets doctrine to forestall testimony etc.
Otherwise you can go to prison just like everyone else. Mere employees do not make that decision to invoke state secrets though they might try to overawe the rubes with it. Those in charge of an agency have the power to do so formally but there are even times where state secrets invocations have not worked to prevent charges. It is not a complete shield.
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Posted by: goatexchange
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What you are asserting is state secrets doctrine but no, if you lie, it is not a formal legal defense unless your government overseers invoke state secrets doctrine to forestall testimony etc.
Otherwise you can go to prison just like everyone else. Mere employees do not make that decision to invoke state secrets though they might try to overawe the rubes with it. Those in charge of an agency have the power to do so formally but there are even times where state secrets invocations have not worked to prevent charges. It is not a complete shield.
Posted by: whig at March 12, 2025 05:48 PM (ctrM5)
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313 People from the richest places in Europe are astounded by how much stuff is in our stores, and how big our houses are. How readily available hot water is. How we have huge washers and driers for clothes.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 12, 2025 05:33 PM (2VST1)
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And how teenagers here often have cars, which many adults in Europe cannot afford.
Most of Europe (apart from Germany) is actually quite poor, surprisingly so, by American standards.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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True.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 12, 2025 05:33 PM (2VST1)
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And how teenagers here often have cars, which many adults in Europe cannot afford.
Most of Europe (apart from Germany) is actually quite poor, surprisingly so, by American standards.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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True.
Posted by: whig at March 12, 2025 05:48 PM (ctrM5)
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Northern Italy is quite rich.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2025 05:43 PM (qhXNf)
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Sure, there are pockets of wealth, just like here. But that wasn't the point.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2025 05:43 PM (qhXNf)
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Sure, there are pockets of wealth, just like here. But that wasn't the point.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 12, 2025 05:49 PM (YqDXo)
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Posted by: Who cares at March 12, 2025 04:57 PM (qoB0Q
What is your point aside from being trollish?
What is your point aside from being trollish?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2025 05:49 PM (JTeYV)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 12, 2025 05:50 PM (JTeYV)
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Half a million Haitians about to get the boot.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2025 05:47 PM (qhXNf)
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Good. Pets sigh with relief. We have enough useless dumbasses here already.
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 12, 2025 05:47 PM (qhXNf)
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Good. Pets sigh with relief. We have enough useless dumbasses here already.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 12, 2025 05:51 PM (YqDXo)
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322 313 People from the richest places in Europe are astounded by how much stuff is in our stores, and how big our houses are. How readily available hot water is. How we have huge washers and driers for clothes.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 12, 2025 05:33 PM (2VST1)
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And how teenagers here often have cars, which many adults in Europe cannot afford.
Most of Europe (apart from Germany) is actually quite poor, surprisingly so, by American standards.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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True.
Posted by: whig at March 12, 2025 05:48 PM (ctrM5)
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You can really see the difference in two connections: grocery stores, and people's houses. The latter are often dinky, poorly heated, and very cramped. Before leaving Europe my wife and I were looking to buy a house. I remember one room we saw where I could literally touch opposite walls simultaneously.
Our local grocery store in Europe had four kinds of spaghetti sauce. On returning to the US, I counted 55 different kinds of spaghetti sauce in our local store (with/without all kinds of things, various spices, salt, meat, etc.)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 12, 2025 05:33 PM (2VST1)
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And how teenagers here often have cars, which many adults in Europe cannot afford.
Most of Europe (apart from Germany) is actually quite poor, surprisingly so, by American standards.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
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True.
Posted by: whig at March 12, 2025 05:48 PM (ctrM5)
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You can really see the difference in two connections: grocery stores, and people's houses. The latter are often dinky, poorly heated, and very cramped. Before leaving Europe my wife and I were looking to buy a house. I remember one room we saw where I could literally touch opposite walls simultaneously.
Our local grocery store in Europe had four kinds of spaghetti sauce. On returning to the US, I counted 55 different kinds of spaghetti sauce in our local store (with/without all kinds of things, various spices, salt, meat, etc.)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 12, 2025 05:56 PM (YqDXo)
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When I was in Europe in the 60s, I was surprised by how many people judged wealth standards by vehicle ownership. I was a 19 year old sailor with my own car and a Pappy who owned 500 some odd acres of good farmland. A lot of people want to talk about my car, none cared about my horse.
Posted by: Eromero at March 12, 2025 06:05 PM (PHeWe)
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Here in FL, early on before EZ pass was fully embraced, if the State had evidence that you owed a toll they just suspended your license if they couldn't contact you.
The way you found out was if the cops pulled you over and ran your plates.
The way you found out was if the cops pulled you over and ran your plates.
Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at March 12, 2025 06:08 PM (QB+5g)
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I favor the CIA tried to frame China theory because its a stupid and evil plan and stupid and evil is a good description of the Deep State.
Posted by: Eric2 at March 12, 2025 07:57 PM (q7Vou)
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