All of Biden's "Laws" and Executive Orders Were Signed by Autopen (Robotic Signature Duplicator), Putting Biden's Entire Presidency in Question

The headline is wrong: There was one single thing he actually signed, his notice that he was withdrawing from the 2024 race.

Everything else was signed by the Biden staffers' Electronic President Substitute.

The Biden presidency might have been the greatest con job ever perpetrated on the American people. A shocking investigation by the Heritage Foundation's Oversight Project has revealed that virtually every document bearing Joe Biden's signature during his presidency was signed by an autopen -- except for one.
What makes this revelation particularly damning is that the only document confirmed to have Biden's actual signature was his letter announcing his withdrawal from the 2024 presidential race. Let that sink in for a moment.
Remember when House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) revealed his discussion with Biden when Biden couldn't recall signing the executive order halting LNG exports? Now we know why -- he probably didn't. The real question is: Who did? Who was running the country while Biden was not all there?
Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey isn't letting this slide. He's demanding that the Department of Justice investigate whether Biden's obvious cognitive decline allowed unelected bureaucrats to essentially run the government without presidential oversight. If this is true -- and let's be honest, all signs point to yes -- every executive order, every pardon, and every official action taken under Biden's name could be constitutionally void.
Bailey's letter to Michael E. Horowitz, the Inspector General of the Department of Justice, spells it out perfectly.
I write to request that you conduct a full investigation into President Biden's mental capacity in his final days in office. By now, Biden's mental decline is famous. Under the 25th Amendment, his inability to make decisions should have meant a succession of power. Instead, it appears staffers and officers in the Biden administration may have exploited Biden's incapacity so they could issue orders without an accountable President of sound mind approving them. That would explain why the Biden administration's orders were aggressively much farther to the left than any previous President. If in fact Biden's staffers were exploiting his mental decline, those orders are null and void.

See the link for more.

I have no idea what happens in this situation.

🚨WHOEVER CONTROLLED THE AUTOPEN CONTROLLED THE PRESIDENCY🚨

We gathered every document we could find with Biden's signature over the course of his presidency.

All used the same autopen signature except for the the announcement that the former President was dropping out of the… https://t.co/CC3oJUkNr4 pic.twitter.com/mtNrZsALDu
— Oversight Project (@OversightPR) March 6, 2025

Posted by: Ace at 01:00 PM

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1 Hola o

Posted by: Thanatopsis at March 07, 2025 01:01 PM (GYt5+)

2 First?

Posted by: American Hawkman at March 07, 2025 01:01 PM (9VDxG)

3 The media will be getting their marching orders that this never happened or it's fine because he was so stressed out about Beau.

Posted by: NR Pax at March 07, 2025 01:01 PM (lXoJ5)

4 And yet we watched him sign EO's and bills on TV in front of cameras.

Are were all of those signings fake? (I genuinely don't know the answer, maybe those photo ops are always fake.)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 07, 2025 01:03 PM (uCjyK)

5 It the president was illiterate could he just make his mark?

Posted by: Grump928(C) Sunday is Vic's Birthday at March 07, 2025 01:03 PM (jc0TO)

6 TOTUS >> President Pen

Posted by: Grump928(C) Sunday is Vic's Birthday at March 07, 2025 01:03 PM (jc0TO)

7 So, this is like the tv show Dallas, where the previous four years were just a dream sequence and never really happened, yes?

Posted by: tcn in AK at March 07, 2025 01:03 PM (jS/Rv)

8

ow-ow-OW!!

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at March 07, 2025 01:04 PM (5hfjS)

9 The Penis Mightier!!

Posted by: Sean Connery at March 07, 2025 01:04 PM (jc0TO)

10 An Autopen's Love (TM)

Posted by: Paladin at March 07, 2025 01:04 PM (3u7Un)

11 5 It the president was illiterate could he just make his mark?
Posted by: Grump928(C) Sunday is Vic's Birthday at March 07, 2025 01:03 PM (jc0TO)

Yeah, in contract law anything can be a signature, really.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 07, 2025 01:05 PM (uCjyK)

12 Not a problem. Barely an inconvenience!

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 07, 2025 01:05 PM (Tx67K)

13 The bank requires a wet signature to verify a payment or a contract. Most of the courts do, as well.

Posted by: Kindltot at March 07, 2025 01:05 PM (D7oie)

14 I have no idea what happens in this situation.

=======

I predict: nothing.

I would settle with an outright ban of autopen and digital signatures from government officers.

I'd love to see Biden's entire presidency undone, purely for the lulz.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 07, 2025 01:05 PM (GBKbO)

15 Birth Certificate Redux

Posted by: ... at March 07, 2025 01:05 PM (HfWSf)

16 This is nothing but clickbait. There. Would have to be a finding of incompetence, or evidence of conspiracy to hide that incompetence. Even then short of invoking something like the 25th Amendment there is a basis for using the auto pen. Beyond that, do we really want to get to a place where we start to legally challenge the actions of a president? This smells like the Democrats lawfare.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 07, 2025 01:05 PM (BswBb)

17 I have no control or knowledge, but all executive orders by President Auto Pen, or POTUS AP for short, should be eradicated.

I should "run" for SCOTUS, eh?

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at March 07, 2025 01:05 PM (6PCLE)

18 Hunter probably set it up

Posted by: Skip i at March 07, 2025 01:05 PM (fwDg9)

19 Willowed:
When does the Tuesday geezer-fleecing start up again?
Posted by: Bulg at March 07, 2025 12:44 PM (77rzZ)

It actually started this week but it was raining so I didn't play. Good thing too as there were so few playing the payouts were only $5. I'll kick it off next week.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 07, 2025 01:05 PM (W/lyH)

20 nothing will happen

pretty sure that has been common practice since GWB

Posted by: brak at March 07, 2025 01:06 PM (jGJov)

21 Why didn't anyone tell me about the autopen?!!!

Posted by: Michelle Fields at March 07, 2025 01:06 PM (HfWSf)

22 Then who was phone?

Posted by: Preznit Ruprect the Monkeyboy at March 07, 2025 01:07 PM (OA79/)

23 Other than the sheer audacity of this stupidity and the ability of the press and judge shopping does this really change anything?
Can the argument be made that all auto pen signatures are fake and never happened?

You cannot unring a bell.

Posted by: Democrat Party at March 07, 2025 01:07 PM (13tTk)

24 20 nothing will happen

pretty sure that has been common practice since GWB
Posted by: brak at March 07, 2025 01:06 PM (jGJov)

=======

I remember some story from Obama's time that the autopen signed something in DC while Obama was out of the country.

No one seemed to care then. I felt alone.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 07, 2025 01:07 PM (GBKbO)

25 > I have no idea what happens in this situation.

I think they'll just drag his old ass out and have him say, "Yes, we used autopen. I authorized every single signature personally. Suck it."

Posted by: bonhomme at March 07, 2025 01:07 PM (lIio7)

26 It the president was illiterate could he just make his mark?
Posted by: Grump928(C)

I think that would be oll korrect.

Posted by: Bulg at March 07, 2025 01:07 PM (77rzZ)

27 I don't have a problem with anyone pursuing this. But I don't think a court is going to issue an order holding that the last 4 years didn't happen. Some stuff just has no remedy. Electing retards (or pretending a retard was elected in this case) is one of those things.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at March 07, 2025 01:07 PM (zMwmR)

28 This smells like the Democrats lawfare.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 07, 2025 01:05 PM (BswBb)

This smells like psy op mind control bs.

Posted by: ... at March 07, 2025 01:07 PM (HfWSf)

29 This auto pen Presidency would be ultra ripe material for a Dem AG if the roles were reversed.

Our current AG is busy redacting any significance out of the Epstein pile.

Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at March 07, 2025 01:07 PM (U8qvY)

30 Another Dogeater legacy.

Posted by: fd at March 07, 2025 01:08 PM (vFG9F)

31 President Trump Job Approval

🟢 Approve: 52% (+14)
🔴 Disapprove: 38%

@MorningConsult
(B-) | Feb. 27 - Mar. 3

The most interesting part of this poll by the pollster who had Kamala ahead big time the entire campaign is that disapprove number at 38%.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 07, 2025 01:08 PM (t/2Uw)

32 Is this even "illegal"? Of course Trump won't use Autopen because he enjoys showmanship....

Posted by: It's me donna at March 07, 2025 01:08 PM (VE6XX)

33 Off sock

Posted by: Picric at March 07, 2025 01:09 PM (13tTk)

34 This never happened and every president does it.

Posted by: ... at March 07, 2025 01:09 PM (HfWSf)

35 It is I who control the autopen.

I'm the Captain now, puny humans!

Posted by: Chat GPT at March 07, 2025 01:09 PM (Y1oIY)

36 The documents that *biden personally signed? The ones with video? Anyone actually get a look at what it was that he signed? Or is there a record of it? PDF, image... anything?

It'd put a lot of this to rest. Even if it was signed with crayon or fingerpaint.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 07, 2025 01:09 PM (Q4IgG)

37 It the president was illiterate could he just make his mark?
Posted by: Grump928(C)

I shit in the chair just like you asked.

Posted by: Joseph Robinette Biden Making His Mark at March 07, 2025 01:09 PM (zMwmR)

38 If a case based on the claim that Biden was a veg ever approached the SC, Dems would go apeshit in the streets. So go for it

Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 07, 2025 01:10 PM (2Km7O)

39 If it's not signed with an eagle feather quill and the blood of British children, I think it's suspect and unAmerican.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Sunday is Vic's Birthday at March 07, 2025 01:10 PM (jc0TO)

40 Biden's signature is distinctive and easily differentiated from an auto-pen signature...because it's in crayon, and has ice-cream drippings over it.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at March 07, 2025 01:10 PM (y2f7I)

41 4 And yet we watched him sign EO's and bills on TV in front of cameras.

Are were all of those signings fake? (I genuinely don't know the answer, maybe those photo ops are always fake.)

The giveaway is that the shadows weren't parallel, the flag was waving in a vacuum, and there is no way a single bullet could do that.

Posted by: Archimedes at March 07, 2025 01:10 PM (xCA6C)

42 This never happened and every president does it.
Posted by: ... at March 07, 2025 01:09 PM

2) It's a good thing
C) Republicans did it first.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Sunday is Vic's Birthday at March 07, 2025 01:11 PM (jc0TO)

43 The giveaway is that the shadows weren't parallel, the flag was waving in a vacuum, and there is no way a single bullet could do that.
Posted by: Archimedes at March 07, 2025 01:10 PM (xCA6C)

Now that you mention it, the people around Biden when he signs stuff all look like crisis actors.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 07, 2025 01:11 PM (uCjyK)

44 31 President Trump Job Approval

🟢 Approve: 52% (+14)
🔴 Disapprove: 38%

@MorningConsult
(B-) | Feb. 27 - Mar. 3

The most interesting part of this poll by the pollster who had Kamala ahead big time the entire campaign is that disapprove number at 38%.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 07, 2025 01:08 PM (t/2Uw)

38% was AutoPen FJB's approve number in most polls during the last half of his term.

Posted by: Gref at March 07, 2025 01:11 PM (aBgBM)

45 Robert Barnes's opinion of this development will be interesting, for certain.

Posted by: electronic means at March 07, 2025 01:11 PM (WVQot)

46 I guess they couldn't autopen sign Biden's statement about dropping from the race because then anyone could say the statement was fake and not from Biden.

Of course, that argument doesn't apply in all of these other cases of legislation and executive orders. /sarc

Posted by: Emmie celebrates the Audacity of Trump! at March 07, 2025 01:12 PM (cSvoa)

47 NULL AND VOID

Posted by: Common Tater at March 07, 2025 01:13 PM (7NvEU)

48 The bank requires a wet signature to verify a payment or a contract. Most of the courts do, as well.
Posted by: Kindltot at March 07, 2025 01:05 PM (D7oie)

I don’t know about courts, but I haven’t done a wet signature on a contract since 2020. Everything is digital now.

Posted by: Jasmine Crockett at March 07, 2025 01:13 PM (l3YAf)

49 So, you're claiming that the Biden "presidency" was fake, his signatures were fake, his "wife" and "son" were fake, the VP was fake, the policies were fake, the major media outlets were fake, foreign and domestic policies were fake, and Nancy Pelosi's sanity is fake.

Makes sense to me.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at March 07, 2025 01:13 PM (VNX3d)

50 BTW-- didn't the Mythbusters find that a single bullet COULD do all that?

Posted by: eleven at March 07, 2025 01:13 PM (0HaGk)

51 In re perkins Coie, an indictment for any of the alleged activities (that can be indicted) would destroy Perkins. Remember what it did to Arthur Anderson.

Posted by: actually inside the beltway at March 07, 2025 01:13 PM (Hpgos)

52 Maybe let the Democrats at least defend the undefendable even if it makes no difference

Posted by: Skip i at March 07, 2025 01:13 PM (fwDg9)

53 Posted by: Jasmine Crockett at March 07, 2025 01:13 PM (l3YAf)

Sock fail.

Posted by: Bulg at March 07, 2025 01:14 PM (77rzZ)

54 The bank requires a wet signature to verify a payment or a contract. Most of the courts do, as well.

thousands of legally-binding contracts are signed with Docusign and similar programs every day. some states even allow virtual notaries now for real property transactions

Posted by: brak at March 07, 2025 01:14 PM (jGJov)

55 Wow

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 07, 2025 01:14 PM (wAvYO)

56 PopPop never wrote me a birthday card with his auto-pen.
*sobs*

Posted by: Navy Joan Roberts at March 07, 2025 01:14 PM (i/l90)

57 willowed
I am being discharged today ..... not deported
Posted by: Ciampino's version of a camel's hump

Great news, Ciampino,I hope you can gently ease into your daily life and you have help while you recuperate at home sweet home.

Posted by: old chick at March 07, 2025 01:15 PM (F3Dlr)

58 So we had our first AI presidency. Somebody needs to ask Biden why he pardoned Hunter, after he said he wouldn't. There is a chance he doesn't remember doing that either. The LOLs from that "presidency" just don't stop. Remember - my signon here said "china joe is not my president."

Posted by: An Observation sez Trump is my President at March 07, 2025 01:15 PM (Da7Vv)

59 The autopen's use has to be authorized by the President. Did *biden authorize it's use? If so, for certain items or was it for everything?

What about documents signed via the autopen that were not public. Authorized? Anyone in the previous administration got receipts for that?

It's either a huge scandal or it's not. It sure sounds like some dumbfuckery was afoot.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 07, 2025 01:15 PM (Q4IgG)

60 >> I remember some story from Obama's time that the autopen signed something in DC while Obama was out of the country.

Here you go:
https://tinyurl.com/28znq6zp

Barky was the first president to "authorize" the autopen, when not present. That is problematic. Proxy signatures have precedent in English and our law, but the rule was the principal must be there. The proxy is just an extension of the principal in principle.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at March 07, 2025 01:15 PM (w6EFb)

61 Would that make his pardons void as well?

Posted by: BChasm Phone at March 07, 2025 01:15 PM (GMdpc)

62 43 The giveaway is that the shadows weren't parallel, the flag was waving in a vacuum, and there is no way a single bullet could do that.
Posted by: Archimedes at March 07, 2025 01:10 PM (xCA6C)

Now that you mention it, the people around Biden when he signs stuff all look like crisis actors.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 07, 2025 01:11 PM (uCjyK)

Don't forget the big red rock with a human face carved into it, on a side table in the Oval Office.

Posted by: Gref at March 07, 2025 01:15 PM (aBgBM)

63 > BTW-- didn't the Mythbusters find that a single bullet COULD do all that?

Yes. They were also duplicating a previous experiment another group did that also found a single bullet could do all that.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 07, 2025 01:15 PM (lIio7)

64 Signing shit is the main part of the job. Pathetic.

Posted by: Francis at March 07, 2025 01:15 PM (bbuBP)

65 He signed a couple on camera, so it cannot have been EVERY one. Unless he was just signing a stunt paper for the cameras.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 07, 2025 01:15 PM (2VST1)

66
I don’t know about courts, but I haven’t done a wet signature on a contract since 2020. Everything is digital now.

Posted by: Jasmine Crockett

How did you escape from the cotton fields where Trump sent you?

Posted by: Archimedes at March 07, 2025 01:15 PM (xCA6C)

67 48 The bank requires a wet signature to verify a payment or a contract. Most of the courts do, as well.
Posted by: Kindltot at March 07, 2025 01:05 PM (D7oie)

I don’t know about courts, but I haven’t done a wet signature on a contract since 2020. Everything is digital now.
Posted by: Jasmine Crockett at March 07, 2025 01:13 PM (l3YAf)

Theres a federal law, and all 50 states have their own state laws, saying that electronic signatures are just as valid as wet ink.

And nearly everything I've filed in my state or federal courts has been electronically filed, almost always with an e-signature. Sometimes with a scanned wet ink signature.

Maybe different states have different rules around court documents, I don't know.

The only thing I'm aware of that still (or at least until recently) required wet ink signature was transferring deeds, but that's more because it has to be on the deed document and can't be done through docusign.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 07, 2025 01:15 PM (uCjyK)

68 Stop making fun of his stutter, haters!!

Posted by: Oddbob at March 07, 2025 01:15 PM (/y8xj)

69 Remember:
The same left that says Trump can't suspend fraudulent payments because he didn't comply with the Administrative Procedures Act ....
The same left that says the OPM can't fire anyone because only the head of the agency can do so ....
The same left that says Trump must give a specific, listed reason for firing "independent" agency employees ....

Is the same left that will be arguing that Biden's pardons are valid whether Biden actually signed them or not.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 07, 2025 01:15 PM (Fsn05)

70 The story I really want told is what actually happened during the Weekend at Bernie's when a scan of a "document" on plain paper (no WH letterhead) with a "signature" appeared over that weekend, in the middle of the night, posted on X, purporting to claim Biden resigned the candidacy. And that note did not endorse Harris. A second note arrived later with the endorsement, as if to correct the oversight. This was a naked palace coup, Soviet style.

Posted by: electronic means at March 07, 2025 01:15 PM (WVQot)

71 Makes sense McCarthy, ex speaker, said meetings with Joe were bizarre. One Meeting Biden was spacing out and asked if he wanted to see the swimming pool and Jill stepped in and shut that down... Nice he tells it after the fact too late to 25th Amendment him...

Posted by: It's me donna at March 07, 2025 01:16 PM (VE6XX)

72 So they wheel him out and he reads from a teleprompter: "Yes. I approved every one of those".

Now what?

Posted by: ... at March 07, 2025 01:16 PM (HfWSf)

73 7 So, this is like the tv show Dallas, where the previous four years were just a dream sequence and never really happened, yes?
Posted by: tcn in AK at March 07, 2025 01:03 PM (jS/Rv)

I can haz Victoria Principal?

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at March 07, 2025 01:17 PM (LxER7)

74 The autopen exists for a reason, as long as the president is present, aware, and in charge, its okay. If he's not even there or aware of what is going on... that's another story.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 07, 2025 01:17 PM (2VST1)

75 Ummm.... Maybe it's just me but.... That kinda looks like all of them have his official signature EXCEPT for the dropping out of the race letter.

Who wrote and signed that letter?

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at March 07, 2025 01:17 PM (4XwPj)

76 Glad Ace finally picked this up.

I mean how freaking more illegitimate can his Presidential term be.

The damage to this county in showing everyone on the planet that the US was a house of cards.

These people need to be publicly shamed. Can we erect a monument to corruption and malfeasance?

I'm sure glad nothing bad happened during his term.

Posted by: pawn at March 07, 2025 01:17 PM (QB+5g)

77 I don’t know about courts, but I haven’t done a wet signature on a contract since 2020. Everything is digital now.
Posted by: Jasmine Crockett

Yep. Lots of digital signatures under penalty of perjury these days. Doesn't mean they can't be challenged, but they're presumed valid until so properly challenged. Not necessarily a bad thing. Makes opponents be sure they really want to challenge the authenticity of a declaration rather than just be obstructionist about everything. It just reflects life these days.

Posted by: SFGoth at March 07, 2025 01:17 PM (KAi1n)

78 Are were all of those signings fake? (I genuinely don't know the answer, maybe those photo ops are always fake.)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 07, 2025 01:03 PM (uCjyK)

I wonder that, too.

If people can get away with faking the President’s signature with Autopen, couldn’t they just forge a wet signature?

I guess the whole Autopen thing feels like a red herring. Biden was clearly not mentally capable of being President, but he appeared capable of signing things. The Autopen is stupid, and shouldn’t be allowed, but would a ban on its use have materially altered the Biden Presidency?

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at March 07, 2025 01:18 PM (l3YAf)

79 This won't overturn anything Joe did, but it may help shed light on how people like Klain, Zeints, Blinken and Sullivan were actually running things with Joe as only a figurehead. Bonus points if it shows Rice, Jarrett and Obama pulling their strings.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 07, 2025 01:18 PM (Gqoy+)

80 I used to wet my pen in the Oval Office

Posted by: Bill C at March 07, 2025 01:19 PM (HcoTw)

81
1. This nullifies Biden's presidency

2. His VP Kamala Harris is owed four years

3. Trump must step aside until 2028

Posted by: ... at March 07, 2025 01:19 PM (HfWSf)

82 Here's a whopper of a callback.

Furman University Politics Professor Dr Danielle Vinson believes people are focused on Joe Biden’s age because there are “no real scandals” in his administration.

. . .

“I think the media have been focused on his age, but it’s partly because there are no real scandals to focus on with Joe Biden, so they’re using that as the negative attack on him.”

https://tinyurl.com/2xxu7zm8

SkyNews

Posted by: Comrade Flounder,Disinformation Demon at March 07, 2025 01:19 PM (i24o9)

83 I don’t know about courts, but I haven’t done a wet signature on a contract since 2020. Everything is digital now.

Yeah most of the probate and legal stuff I've done over the past recent years has been digital, but a few like my will and the power of attorney for mom was pen and paper.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 07, 2025 01:19 PM (2VST1)

84 Wet signatures don't mean anything either unless you witnessed the signature (notary). Otherwise how can you tell if it's real or a good forgery.

Posted by: actually inside the beltway at March 07, 2025 01:19 PM (Hpgos)

85 50 BTW-- didn't the Mythbusters find that a single bullet COULD do all that?
Posted by: eleven at March 07, 2025 01:13 PM (0HaGk)

It's not that it is not theoretically possible for a bullet to follow such an improbable path (depending on assumptions about everyones positioning in the car), but that the bullet that was found in Parkland on the gurney was barely deformed at all.

Despite it supposedly hitting bones in 2 different men and leaving shrapnel in Gov Connally's arm for the rest of his life.

And most of the assumptions made about positioning and the relative heights of JFK and Connally and the difference in height between their respective seats aren't what is reflected in the Zapruder film.

Anyways, neither here nor there.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 07, 2025 01:20 PM (uCjyK)

86 Treason.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at March 07, 2025 01:20 PM (I2GmU)

87 Today I signed an order to the Attorney General and all law enforcement agencies to arrest for insurrection any and all persons or groups who question the legitimacy of the governing Autopen.

Furthermore, I have taken control of all internet-connected cameras, computers and databases for the purpose of identifying, arresting and incarcerating all such insurrectionists.

OBEY

Posted by: The Presidential Autopen at March 07, 2025 01:21 PM (Y1oIY)

88 The autopen is a thing president have used for decades. All they have to do is show that Biden "authorized" the signing. That could even be verbal.

"The president directed me to use the autopen."

Biden, of course, won't remember it, but so? prove them wrong. The only solution would be someone coming forward who says "yeah, loads of people were running crap through using Biden's autopen." That person would be risking A LOT.

Posted by: El Mariachi at March 07, 2025 01:21 PM (ZBykU)

89 didn't the Mythbusters find that a single bullet COULD do all that?

So did Brandon Herrera

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 07, 2025 01:21 PM (2VST1)

90 The only thing I'm aware of that still (or at least until recently) required wet ink signature was transferring deeds

Immigration documents.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 07, 2025 01:21 PM (xTIDn)

91 Steve Milloy
@JunkScience
The EPA-Stacey Abrams grift revealed: @staceyabrams just told MSBNC's @chrislhayes that the Biden EPA gave her $2 billion to buy people new home appliances to reduce electric bills. So Democrats upgraded vote buying from Obama phones to Biden refrigerators.

Posted by: SMOD at March 07, 2025 01:21 PM (RHGPo)

92 The only thing I'm aware of that still (or at least until recently) required wet ink signature was transferring deeds, but that's more because it has to be on the deed document and can't be done through docusign.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 07, 2025 01:15 PM (uCjyK)

Yeah, makes sense. Probably stuff that has to be notarized, too? Since you have to sign it in front of the notary.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at March 07, 2025 01:21 PM (l3YAf)

93 Biden, of course, won't remember it, but so? prove them wrong. The only solution would be someone coming forward who says "yeah, loads of people were running crap through using Biden's autopen." That person would be risking A LOT.

It probably would be easier to prove that Biden has no idea what is going on and couldn't have authorized anything than to get someone to admit it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 07, 2025 01:22 PM (2VST1)

94 The legitimacy of an electronic signature or an autopen signature rests upon the "mark intending to adopt."

And that's what's missing here:
There's no contemporaneous proof that Biden was aware of what was being signed in order to "intend to adopt."

Of course, the only way this goes anywhere is if someone flips, admits to the crime* of signing documents without the President's permission.

* Fraud? Falsifying official documents? Impersonating an official?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 07, 2025 01:22 PM (Fsn05)

95 We are the Autopen. Lower your defenses and surrender your things. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.

Posted by: El Mariachi at March 07, 2025 01:22 PM (ZBykU)

96 72 So they wheel him out and he reads from a teleprompter: "Yes. I approved every one of those".

Now what?

Posted by: ... at March 07, 2025 01:16 PM (HfWSf)

What if they can't roll him out to say that? Is there any FJB proof of life evidence since January 20th?

Posted by: Gref at March 07, 2025 01:22 PM (aBgBM)

97 Gee whiz!
I hope that this signature bot thing is real and that the thousands of incomprehensible Presidential Pardons, alleged to have been granted by Slow Joe, come under scrutiny.
Maybe Tony Fauci, Hunter Biden, Mark Millie, and Chris Wray (and the other Biden family criminals) are not as immune to justice as they and Biden's staff conspired to be.

Posted by: B Dubya at March 07, 2025 01:22 PM (AjEcy)

98 > If this is true -- ... every official action taken under Biden's name could be constitutionally void.
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while as AoS readers, we see the logic of this argument, it will never fly in real life

how do you invalidate an entire 4 year Presidency? I think the best that can be hoped for, is to prove unelected persons were 'directing' Biden's supposed actions

not to mention doping him up every day for the duration of the term

Posted by: Don Black at March 07, 2025 01:23 PM (AOsQT)

99 I guess the whole Autopen thing feels like a red herring. Biden was clearly not mentally capable of being President, but he appeared capable of signing things. The Autopen is stupid, and shouldn’t be allowed, but would a ban on its use have materially altered the Biden Presidency?
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at March 07, 2025 01:18 PM (l3YAf)

Agreed, I don't think it makes a difference if he signed it with grease from a pizza crust while eating an ice cream cone and watching the view.

As long as he doesn't dispute the signatures, the presumption is he signed it.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 07, 2025 01:23 PM (uCjyK)

100 The proxy is just an extension of the principal in principle.
Posted by: publius

Was that a line from a Schoolhouse Rock song?

Posted by: mikeski at March 07, 2025 01:23 PM (bt2zC)

101 91 Steve Milloy
@JunkScience
The EPA-Stacey Abrams grift revealed: @staceyabrams just told MSBNC's @chrislhayes that the Biden EPA gave her $2 billion to buy people new home appliances to reduce electric bills. So Democrats upgraded vote buying from Obama phones to Biden refrigerators.
Posted by: SMOD at March 07, 2025 01:21 PM (RHGPo)

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The government is in the business of upgrading the kitchen appliances of individual people since...when exactly?

Was this voted on? (probably in some must pass CR, to be honest)

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 07, 2025 01:23 PM (GBKbO)

102 Barack Obama was known to have bills passed by the Congress signed by autopen (I think NPR did a piece).

The legality of using autopen might be enough for the courts but I know of at least one case where a former Presidential candidate was refused for a “signed 1st edition” because the signing was to be done by autopen (something about a ’village’

Posted by: SMOD at March 07, 2025 01:24 PM (RHGPo)

103 Furman University Politics Professor Dr Danielle Vinson believes people are focused on Joe Biden’s age because there are “no real scandals” in his administration.

. . .

“I think the media have been focused on his age, but it’s partly because there are no real scandals to focus on with Joe Biden, so they’re using that as the negative attack on him.”

https://tinyurl.com/2xxu7zm8

SkyNews
Posted by: Comrade Flounder,Disinformation Demon at March 07, 2025 01:19 PM (i24o9)

Is that the Furman University and Storm door Company?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 07, 2025 01:24 PM (8zz6B)

104 I don't expect anything "legal" to come out of this, but it serves a purpose none-the-less. It forces the Left to defend it and explain it away. That publicizes it. That, in turn, adds to the reputation of the Left and tarnishes them further.

I'd like to see this issue pushed, pushed, and pushed. Make them defend it and explain it. There's political hay to be made here, and any explanation is always going to fall back to the media, democrats and staffers propping up a piece of broccoli to hold onto power.

Let's have fun with this. When you have the leverage, you're a fool not to use it.

Posted by: Orson at March 07, 2025 01:24 PM (dIske)

105 I guess the whole Autopen thing feels like a red herring.

It's QAnon levels of stupid, no matter what the facts are. I'm fine with some peripheral group harassing whomever with this kind of stuff because the left doesn't hold back from such nonsense. But I'd sooner join a blue-ribbon committee whose mission is to ensure Guam doesn't tip over than be a part of Signaturegate.

Posted by: Joseph Robinette Biden Making His Mark at March 07, 2025 01:24 PM (zMwmR)

106 I would assume there is no requirement for cognizant signature on an EO in a situation like this because it's already covered in the 25th amendment. Which is what should have happened. Bidens situation proves the 25th amendment is functionally irrelevant because it requires a political party to take out one of its own.

Posted by: Roberto at March 07, 2025 01:24 PM (uTp11)

107
Autopen
Autopen
Does whatever an Autopen does

Posted by: ... at March 07, 2025 01:25 PM (HfWSf)

108 It probably would be easier to prove that Biden has no idea what is going on and couldn't have authorized anything than to get someone to admit it. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 07, 2025 01:22 PM (2VST

By the way Chris - miss your word around the Net!

Posted by: El Mariachi at March 07, 2025 01:25 PM (ZBykU)

109 The government is in the business of upgrading the kitchen appliances of individual people since...when exactly?

Portland city government now buys air conditioners for members of approved minority groups.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at March 07, 2025 01:25 PM (xTIDn)

110 I, for one, welcome our new, automated docusigning overlords.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder,Disinformation Demon at March 07, 2025 01:25 PM (i24o9)

111 As long as he doesn't dispute the signatures, the presumption is he signed it.

Which is where you go to the competency argument. Is he even aware what year it is, who is president, where he lives? All the basic tests lawyers do to tell if someone is competent to sign something or not.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 07, 2025 01:25 PM (2VST1)

112 Going beyond this autopen horseshit the real issue buried in the noise is whether *biden was in command of the White House or not. If he wasn't, and it's looking that way, then how does one reconcile all the stuff done in his name?

If it were me, I'd put the onus on the previous administration to prove it 'was' *biden running things and not staffers, Jill and Hunter.

Bring receipts. Otherwise this is all bullshit. Fake. And ghey.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at March 07, 2025 01:25 PM (Q4IgG)

113 Yeah, makes sense. Probably stuff that has to be notarized, too? Since you have to sign it in front of the notary.
Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at March 07, 2025 01:21 PM (l3YAf)

Not necessarily. Some states allow remote notarization.

And while I am a notary, I got to bypass the whole test thing, so I don't know if it would be valid if I watched someone e-sign, then printed it out and stamped / signed it. Probably.

The real answer is it doesn't matter unless someone with standing challenges it. Either the signor or (more commonly, unfortunately) the beneficiaries of an estate.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 07, 2025 01:25 PM (uCjyK)

114 I have no idea what happens in this situation.

I think it's clear -- everyone has to give back all the money.

Posted by: Hald Dozen at March 07, 2025 01:26 PM (jRdAP)

115

Please Republicans, you're doing so well right now...have some balls and do it, you know you want to.

Too mentally broken to be held responsible for criminal acts...that seems to be the same bar for being mentally broken to not be able to handle the Presidency.

LOL. What a disaster.

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at March 07, 2025 01:26 PM (et1vG)

116 Doctors have revealed an extremely rare case that saw the Covid vaccine reawaken a deadly virus inside a man's body.

The unnamed 47-year-old had been living with a dormant tuberculosis infection that was not causing symptoms when he received his booster shot in India.

Five days after vaccination he he began experiencing 'severe constitutional symptoms' including fever, fatigue and night sweats.

Doctors discovered that his immune system, now stronger from the vaccine, started attacking the TB infection too aggressively, causing inflammation and the flare-up of symptoms.

He was diagnosed with tuberculosis immune reconstitution inflammatory syndrome (TB-IRIS), marking the first known case linked to a Covid booster.

Posted by: SMOD at March 07, 2025 01:26 PM (RHGPo)

117
If I'm understanding this, no president before Barky ever, *ever* used an autopen to sign a bill or anything important. Autopen would be used for trivial stuff like signing WH Christmas cards, or maybe presidential "love your dog" day kind of stuff.

Never was anything serious signed with an autopen. The Shrub considered it, and had a legal counsel opinion written up about the question, but he never did. Barky was the first president to sign legislation with an autopen.

This itself is problematic.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at March 07, 2025 01:26 PM (w6EFb)

118 I remember a Democratic Party activist/operative in Milwaukee caught on camera by Project Veritas prior to the 2020 election claiming he could care less about Biden the man. What he cared about was Biden the signature.

We all knew Joe Biden was a puppet. What we didn't know was exactly who was pulling his strings. Looking at this, I don't think it was 'low-level White House staffers'. I think it was Obama, George and Alexander Soros, Susan Rice, and a few others exercising power behind the scenes operating as a committee. I do, however, think those low-level WH staffers will be taking the blame for it. No way will Obama be formally, legally implicated. If anyone is above the law, he is. That's just the way it is. That's political reality.

Posted by: troyriser at March 07, 2025 01:27 PM (DPeYO)

119 Which is where you go to the competency argument. Is he even aware what year it is, who is president, where he lives? All the basic tests lawyers do to tell if someone is competent to sign something or not.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 07, 2025 01:25 PM (2VST1)

Well, that's the bigger, more important question.

If we could somehow prove that Biden was not legally competent, that could be an issue.

But again, the courts are not going to open that bag of worms.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 07, 2025 01:27 PM (uCjyK)

120 Trump is already making Biden's presidency null and void.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at March 07, 2025 01:27 PM (KbCG3)

121 By the way Chris - miss your word around the Net!

We found my one reader! I am glad you enjoyed it though.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 07, 2025 01:27 PM (2VST1)

122 Sock removal.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at March 07, 2025 01:27 PM (zMwmR)

123 Most of JFKs signatures were autopen too. There's a whole lot of research in determining which of his signatures are real and which are autopen.

Posted by: Josephistan at March 07, 2025 01:27 PM (y9ksN)

124 57 willowed
I am being discharged today ..... not deported
Posted by: Ciampino's version of a camel's hump

Great news, Ciampino,I hope you can gently ease into your daily life and you have help while you recuperate at home sweet home.

Posted by: old chick at March 07, 2025 01:15 PM (F3Dlr)
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Thank you for your kind thoughts.

Posted by: Ciampino's version of a camel's hump at March 07, 2025 01:27 PM (g4sLG)

125 Posted by: Orson at March 07, 2025 01:24 PM (dIske)

I am not interested in pushing anything against the libs that Trump doesn't want front and center.

Trump is *kind of* good at this stuff.

He laid out everything the other night that he wants to hit these retards with, and it was mortifying to them and magnificent to everyone else. He is building momentum and making them defend the indefensible at every cut and turn. They are reversing positions here and around the globe.

This bullshit is own goal levels of retardation.

Posted by: ... at March 07, 2025 01:28 PM (HfWSf)

126 Drove me crazy when folks would say to me during Barky's reign that any day now proof would come out that he was not eligible to be POTUS and poof all of his actions would be undone.

This feels similar. But perhaps its useful as a warning shot to the tyrant judges to stop trying to rule that DJT cannot reverse 'Bidens' EOs.

Posted by: PaleRider at March 07, 2025 01:28 PM (34pOu)

127 43 Now that you mention it, the people around Biden when he signs stuff all look like crisis actors.

unnecessary action hero > crisis actor

Posted by: anachronda at March 07, 2025 01:28 PM (oY6Yp)

128 All The Autopen's Men

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at March 07, 2025 01:28 PM (Vyll1)

129 Thank you for your kind thoughts.
Posted by: Ciampino's version of a camel's hump at March 07, 2025 01:27 PM (g4sLG)

Glad you're going home and are on the mend

Posted by: It's me donna at March 07, 2025 01:28 PM (VE6XX)

130 101
The government is in the business of upgrading the kitchen appliances of individual people since...when exactly?

... It's probably part of the 'alleged' Inflation Reduction Act (IRA)

Posted by: SMOD at March 07, 2025 01:29 PM (RHGPo)

131 Basically like Wilson's second half, a fake prop of a President.
Or, as I prefer to refer to him, a meat puppet.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at March 07, 2025 01:29 PM (xcxpd)

132 He was diagnosed with tuberculosis immune reconstitution inflammatory syndrome (TB-IRIS), marking the first known case linked to a Covid booster.
Posted by: SMOD at March 07, 2025 01:26 PM

My BiL had an autoimmune reaction that destroyed his lungs after getting the covid booster. Died a bad death in less than a month.

I will not forgive those motherfuckers.

Posted by: Grump928(C) Sunday is Vic's Birthday at March 07, 2025 01:29 PM (jc0TO)

133 If we could somehow prove that Biden was not legally competent, that could be an issue.

Its a tough legal argument to say that Biden's executive orders and pardons are invalid because the US Constitution does not require any particular competence (I mean, it can be made, competence is assumed, but its a tougher argument). But if you can prove Biden was not able to legally sign anything.... then who did? If he had no idea what he was signing -- as he said on life TV -- then are any of those documents valid, since someone else authorized them?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 07, 2025 01:29 PM (2VST1)

134 I have no idea what happens in this situation.
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"Void" seems pretty clear. No laws passed during his term remain on the books.

Trump seems to be undoing his Presidential orders, but any of those that are outstanding would also be negated, including the "pardons" since he didn't actually issue them. I'm not sure what would happen to budgets that have been spent, but Congress hasn't bothered to make a budget since obama's first term, so that's kid of moot.

Aside from, as we were discussing yesterday, Trump is free to not pay anyone who 'worked' for the Biden regime, since the government side of the contract never really existed.

Posted by: Methos, definitely doesn't have a 360yo SSN at March 07, 2025 01:29 PM (Dnobf)

135 Is Biden even alive? It's like they shipped his decrepit ass to Mars after Jan 20.

Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at March 07, 2025 01:29 PM (DJ7uY)

136 How did you escape from the cotton fields where Trump sent you?
Posted by: Archimedes
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Swing low,, sweet chariot,, coming for to carry me home

Posted by: Jasmine Crockett at March 07, 2025 01:30 PM (5hfjS)

137 135 Is Biden even alive? It's like they shipped his decrepit ass to Mars after Jan 20.
Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at March 07, 2025 01:29 PM (DJ7uY)

He was in DC last week at a restaurant...

Posted by: It's me donna at March 07, 2025 01:30 PM (VE6XX)

138 The government is in the business of upgrading the kitchen appliances of individual people since...when exactly?

Was this voted on? (probably in some must pass CR, to be honest)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 07, 2025 01:23 PM (GBKbO)

I would like to get in on this free fridge thing. Where do I sign up?

I live in an apartment, so space is of a premium. I would like it to be counter top depth and have separate fans for the fridge and freezer. Ice making would be nice, I'll run the line.

Maybe the smallest Subzero? I used to have a Subzero fridge and i really liked it. Who do I call for that?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 07, 2025 01:30 PM (uCjyK)

139 If this is true -- ... every official action taken under Biden's name could be constitutionally void.
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while as AoS readers, we see the logic of this argument, it will never fly in real life

No standing!

Posted by: Dread Justice Roberts at March 07, 2025 01:30 PM (xCA6C)

140 119 Which is where you go to the competency argument. Is he even aware what year it is, who is president, where he lives? All the basic tests lawyers do to tell if someone is competent to sign something or not.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 07, 2025 01:25 PM (2VST1)

Well, that's the bigger, more important question.

If we could somehow prove that Biden was not legally competent, that could be an issue.

But again, the courts are not going to open that bag of worms.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 07, 2025 01:27 PM (uCjyK)

Is whether he was a turnip important?

The federal bureaucracy and executive functionaries run the government when the president is in his right mind.

I understand how it's not supposed to be this way. But probably very little was different because Biden was non compos mentis, other than he'd have been more insistent about getting his 10% if he hadn't been a drooling geriatric.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at March 07, 2025 01:31 PM (zMwmR)

141
Even if it were proven that Biden were Non Compos Mentos (Latin for had the IQ of a Mentos mint)

And had no idea of what was going on and didn't/couldn't agree to sign,

this probably falls under the "Neener-Neener" clause of the Constitution. Because, you can't go back in time and correct a lot of this.

The best that could happen would be:

1) All those involved would be tried for running a coup against the President and people of the USA. If found guilty, they should be hanged until dead.

2) A massive clawback from all individuals, organizations, NGOs and countries who received illegal and illegitimate monies.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 07, 2025 01:31 PM (iJfKG)

142 THE QUESTION IS MOOT!

Posted by: Grump928(C) Sunday is Vic's Birthday at March 07, 2025 01:31 PM (jc0TO)

143 My BiL had an autoimmune reaction that destroyed his lungs after getting the covid booster. Died a bad death in less than a month.

I will not forgive those motherfuckers.
Posted by: Grump928(C)

And those assholes will swear to your face that the shot was perfectly safe.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 07, 2025 01:31 PM (A7Jfs)

144 Politico:
As DOGE staffers dismantle the federal workforce, they’re following Elon Musk’s ethos of moving fast and breaking things. But even DOGE workers need to slow down and sleep — and they’re increasingly doing so in a federal office building, an arrangement that ethics experts said could break longstanding agency rules.

... since when have government employees NOT been sleeping at work ? It is a better option than having them watch porn all day.

Posted by: SMOD at March 07, 2025 01:32 PM (RHGPo)

145
So the autopen won't damn him, but an investigation into its use... could.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at March 07, 2025 01:32 PM (lCaJd)

146 Is Biden even alive? It's like they shipped his decrepit ass to Mars after Jan 20.
Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at March 07, 2025 01:29 PM (DJ7uY)

He was in DC last week at a restaurant...
Posted by: It's me donna at March 07, 2025 01:30 PM

The guy in the Chuck E Cheese costume had to escort him out

Posted by: Josephistan at March 07, 2025 01:32 PM (y9ksN)

147
Autopen should only be valid if it's authorized in writing...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 07, 2025 01:32 PM (y9nCu)

148 This is gonna be great!

Posted by: Flounder at March 07, 2025 01:32 PM (+vDwr)

149 I'm just a Bill,
I'm just a Bill,
And that fucker signed me with autofill...

Posted by: A BILL at March 07, 2025 01:32 PM (wtvvX)

150 I mean, they stole an election, but they totally wouldn't steal anything else.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at March 07, 2025 01:32 PM (Fsn05)

151 I am non compost Mentos.

I never compost my Mentos.

Posted by: Bulg at March 07, 2025 01:33 PM (77rzZ)

152 What if they can't roll him out to say that? Is there any FJB proof of life evidence since January 20th?
Posted by: Gref at March 07, 2025 01:22 PM (aBgBM)

Doesn’t matter. His presidency is over with. Nothing says a President has to be coherent or able to justify his past actions once he’s out of office. They’d just say “He was coherent at the time, but his Parkinson's has taken a turn for the worst. Trump is picking on a disabled man, etc..”

Heck, nothing says a President has to be coherent during his presidency. The 25th Amendment provides a process to remove an unfit President, but it doesn’t mandate he be removed.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at March 07, 2025 01:33 PM (l3YAf)

153 One crucial difference between Biden and all other Presidents who used an autopen, trailing all the way to Jefferson.

Those Presidents were aware of the bills, approved the bills, and (being compos mentis) were able to lucidly discuss their signatures on the bills.

Biden could do none of those things, and his autopen was being wielded by his unelected staff who were taking advantage of his non compos mentis state to impose their own ideas on America.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at March 07, 2025 01:33 PM (I2GmU)

154
Again if I've got the history, W thought about using an autopen to sign legislation but never actually did, and Barky was the first to do it.

Again, to be clear, presidents have used autopens for all kind of stuff, but never to sign legislation or official exercise of Article II power kind of documents.

Barky was the first to actually do it. There was something of protest (some members of the House wrote a strongly worded letter in protest, but nothing other than that was done).

So, using an autopen to actually sign official presidential Constitutional power stuff is indeed a Big Problem.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at March 07, 2025 01:33 PM (w6EFb)

155 So the autopen won't damn him, but an investigation into its use... could.
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Dave ain't here man...he's eating ice cream and pooping himself. That's all he's done for the last 5 years.

Posted by: Crusader at March 07, 2025 01:33 PM (azSra)

156 But even DOGE workers need to slow down and sleep — and they’re increasingly doing so in a federal office building, an arrangement that ethics experts said could break longstanding agency rules.

Dear Dems, THAT'S the hill you want to die on? Sleeping in an unapproved space?

Posted by: Archimedes at March 07, 2025 01:33 PM (xCA6C)

157 And had no idea of what was going on and didn't/couldn't agree to sign,

this probably falls under the "Neener-Neener" clause of the Constitution. Because, you can't go back in time and correct a lot of this.

Assuming any judge would hear this and it is decided properly... it could negate a bunch of pardons and some late executive orders. It might even draw some bills signed into law into question.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 07, 2025 01:33 PM (2VST1)

158 Do not use Autopen if you are allergic to Autopen.

Posted by: Bulg at March 07, 2025 01:33 PM (77rzZ)

159 Its a tough legal argument to say that Biden's executive orders and pardons are invalid because the US Constitution does not require any particular competence (I mean, it can be made, competence is assumed, but its a tougher argument). But if you can prove Biden was not able to legally sign anything.... then who did? If he had no idea what he was signing -- as he said on life TV -- then are any of those documents valid, since someone else authorized them?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 07, 2025 01:29 PM (2VST1)

I have no idea. In contract law, if the person was incompetent, the contract would be voidable (not void as a matter of law.)

But who is the counter-party for a president signing a law or an EO?

I don't think there's an answer here, and I don't think SCOTUS is interested in giving us one.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 07, 2025 01:33 PM (uCjyK)

160 Obama's third term. In. Our. Faces.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 07, 2025 01:34 PM (4tmpE)

161 Didn't he publically sign that abomination of a bill about infrastructure ?

Posted by: It's me donna at March 07, 2025 01:34 PM (VE6XX)

162 How else are you going to save democracy unless you subvert it first?

Posted by: ryukyu at March 07, 2025 01:34 PM (251iY)

163 The Trump administration yanked roughly $400 million in grants and contracts from Columbia University on Friday, citing the school’s noncompliance with anti-discrimination laws. The funding cancellation comes after months of antisemitic harassment and intimidation on the Morningside Heights campus — with pro-Hamas slogans proclaimed by demonstrators and the NYPD eventually being called in to restore order last April. “Since October 7, Jewish students have faced relentless violence, intimidation, and anti-Semitic harassment on their campuses — only to be ignored by those who are supposed to protect them,” said Secretary of Education Linda McMahon in a statement.

... Money is not the root of all evil. Lack of money is the root of all evil." --- Rev Ike

Posted by: SMOD at March 07, 2025 01:34 PM (RHGPo)

164 >> All those involved would be tried for running a coup against the President and people of the USA. If found guilty, they should be hanged until dead.

How about just hanged until tarded?

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at March 07, 2025 01:34 PM (l3YAf)

165 Those Presidents were aware of the bills, approved the bills, and (being compos mentis) were able to lucidly discuss their signatures on the bills.

Probably the autopen should only be used for multiple extra copies. Singles and originals should always be by hand. Yeah its gonna suck, but its not a hardship to sign paperwork as an executive.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 07, 2025 01:35 PM (2VST1)

166 He kept breaking the Crayons

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at March 07, 2025 01:35 PM (NtVYv)

167 From the Hot Air article: "In 2013, Barack Obama became the first president to sign a bill into law using an autopen. He was vacationing in Hawaii at the time. His office relied on a 30-page memo from President George W. Bush's legal team asserting that the president's presence was not required as long as said president had authorized the signature. "

I could see Obama using a sort of disingenuous interpretation of of the ruling to justify Biden as a third-term proxy...."They said I could authorize the use of the auto-pen if I wasn't in the Office...er...office."

Posted by: Simple Stevo at March 07, 2025 01:36 PM (U43EG)

168 Is whether he was a turnip important?

The federal bureaucracy and executive functionaries run the government when the president is in his right mind.

I understand how it's not supposed to be this way. But probably very little was different because Biden was non compos mentis, other than he'd have been more insistent about getting his 10% if he hadn't been a drooling geriatric.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at March 07, 2025 01:31 PM (zMwmR)

I agree, I don't think this changes anything. It feels like a distraction, to be honest.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 07, 2025 01:36 PM (uCjyK)

169 Well Johnson confronted him about the absolutely ridiculous and out of left field "pause" on LNG" exports and Biden seemed to be pretty surprised about it.

I mean, that was just bizarre. Gave Putin a huge increase in the market.

Probably the fist time he ever heard about it.

I'm pretty sure that was faked.

Maybe someone should investigate that specific EO alone to see who falls out of the tree.

Posted by: pawn at March 07, 2025 01:36 PM (QB+5g)

170 Not necessarily. Some states allow remote notarization.

And while I am a notary, I got to bypass the whole test thing, so I don't know if it would be valid if I watched someone e-sign, then printed it out and stamped / signed it. Probably.

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Doubtful actually. And any state allowing "remote notarization" isn't taking the role of notary seriously.

Posted by: Crusader at March 07, 2025 01:36 PM (azSra)

171 153 One crucial difference between Biden and all other Presidents who used an autopen, trailing all the way to Jefferson.

Those Presidents were aware of the bills, approved the bills, and (being compos mentis) were able to lucidly discuss their signatures on the bills.

Biden could do none of those things, and his autopen was being wielded by his unelected staff who were taking advantage of his non compos mentis state to impose their own ideas on America.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at March 07, 2025 01:33 PM (I2GmU)

I doubt Wilson was aware of all the bills he "signed".

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 07, 2025 01:36 PM (wtvvX)

172 Power of Attorney Presidency

Posted by: vmom deport deport deporte at March 07, 2025 01:36 PM (/ncst)

173 He kept breaking the Crayons
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway

Well, they're easier to eat that way.

Posted by: Bulg at March 07, 2025 01:37 PM (77rzZ)

174 The Biden presidency might have been the greatest con job ever perpetrated on the American people.

I'd put the election of Biden in first place, but his Presidency is not a bad choice, either.

Posted by: t-bird at March 07, 2025 01:37 PM (iDNwP)

175 I have no idea. In contract law, if the person was incompetent, the contract would be voidable (not void as a matter of law.)

As I understand it the principle of law, the more important or significant the document, the more stringent the standards.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 07, 2025 01:37 PM (2VST1)

176 some states even allow virtual notaries now for real property transactions
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Not ones who take the role of notary seriously.

Posted by: Crusader at March 07, 2025 01:38 PM (azSra)

177 I don't think there's an answer here, and I don't think SCOTUS is interested in giving us one.
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Why ask SCOTUS?

Trump should just deem it all void and dare anyone to do anything about it.

Posted by: Methos, definitely doesn't have a 360yo SSN at March 07, 2025 01:39 PM (Dnobf)

178 Good thing he didn't use an Autopentagram, but when you look at the results, they might as well have.

Posted by: Witchhunter Giles at March 07, 2025 01:39 PM (7Q0e+)

179 Looking at the signatures in the article they certainly look exactly alike which is near impossible... Except of course the last one saying he's backing out of the race. A signature expert could confirm that

Posted by: It's me donna at March 07, 2025 01:39 PM (VE6XX)

180 As I understand it the principle of law, the more important or significant the document, the more stringent the standards.
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Exactly. Try suggesting to a title attorney that you'll sign over the deed to a house you're selling via docu-sign. It won't fly.

Try telling your mortgage lender that you'll sign the final note and mortgage via docu-sign rather than "wet" signature--it won't fly.

Posted by: Crusader at March 07, 2025 01:39 PM (azSra)

181
He kept breaking the Crayons
Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway

Well, they're easier to eat that way.
Posted by: Bulg at March 07, 2025 01:37 PM (77rzZ)

I always knew that we had some Marines in Teh Horde...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 07, 2025 01:40 PM (y9nCu)

182 Not ones who take the role of notary seriously.
Posted by: Crusader

Notaries are kind of a joke in this country. In other countries, they are taken very seriously. They have formal training and are considered almost on a par with lawyers.

Posted by: Bulg at March 07, 2025 01:40 PM (77rzZ)

183 Are crayons better with the the skins on or off?

Posted by: eleven at March 07, 2025 01:41 PM (0HaGk)

184 Try telling your mortgage lender that you'll sign the final note and mortgage via docu-sign rather than "wet" signature--it won't fly.
Posted by: Crusader at March 07, 2025 01:39 PM (azSra)

I signed my mortgage by DocuSign.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at March 07, 2025 01:41 PM (l3YAf)

185

AAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKK

Posted by: Al Greens' Eye Bags at March 07, 2025 01:41 PM (5hfjS)

186 I have no idea what happens in this situation.
____

Norms status:
[X] Restored
[ ] Not Restored

Posted by: Chuck Martel at March 07, 2025 01:41 PM (Dv3i1)

187 I always knew that we had some Marines in Teh Horde...
Posted by: IllTemperedCur

waves hello Small service but we find each other.

Posted by: NR Pax at March 07, 2025 01:41 PM (lXoJ5)

188 >The 25th Amendment provides a process to remove an unfit President, but it doesn’t mandate he be removed.
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Art II Section 4

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

I would argue that misfeasance in office is a Misdemeanor, and thus an impeachable offense

Posted by: Don Black at March 07, 2025 01:41 PM (AOsQT)

189 We really aren't used to winning. It's like we don't know what to do with ourselves. It's fascinating.

Posted by: ... at March 07, 2025 01:41 PM (HfWSf)

190 -----------
Exactly. Try suggesting to a title attorney that you'll sign over the deed to a house you're selling via docu-sign. It won't fly.
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Yes it will, I've done it but there were recorded corresponding telephonic agreements.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at March 07, 2025 01:42 PM (E7bCG)

191 I always knew that we had some Marines in Teh Horde...
Posted by: IllTemperedCur

I was in the Navy, not the Marines.

So I didn't get to wear the cool dress uniform and bang all the hot Air Force chicks.

Posted by: Bulg at March 07, 2025 01:42 PM (77rzZ)

192 I would argue that misfeasance in office is a Misdemeanor, and thus an impeachable offense
Posted by: Don Black at March 07, 2025 01:41 PM (AOsQT)

But nothing says Congress must impeach and remove a president. Again, it simply provides a process for removal.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at March 07, 2025 01:43 PM (l3YAf)

193 But even DOGE workers need to slow down and sleep — and they’re increasingly doing so in a federal office building, an arrangement that ethics experts said could break longstanding agency rules.

Dear Dems, THAT'S the hill you want to die on? Sleeping in an unapproved space?
Posted by: Archimedes

Ding ding ding! Winner winner chicken dinner!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 07, 2025 01:44 PM (A7Jfs)

194 Try telling your mortgage lender that you'll sign the final note and mortgage via docu-sign rather than "wet" signature--it won't fly.
Posted by: Crusader at March 07, 2025 01:39 PM (azSra)

I signed my mortgage by DocuSign.
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In fairness, you signed a gajillion documents by DocuSign as part of the application and approval and pre-closing process, so I'm suggesting that you mis-remember what you did and didn't sign by DocuSign. In the state of Oklahoma, you are not allowed to sign the *final* note and mortgage with anything other than wet signature in front of a licensed notary.

Posted by: Crusader at March 07, 2025 01:44 PM (azSra)

195 Antiques Roadshow has experts who can tell if the person signed the Document or not... I imagine we have people who can also

Posted by: It's me donna at March 07, 2025 01:44 PM (VE6XX)

196 Basically this is a situation that hasn't really been properly tested or dealt with legally, and nobody wants to touch it for the potential consequences. My guess is that personal honor and the voters were meant to take care of it by the voters by the founding fathers, because back then the presidency's power wasn't that momentous. If Thomas Jefferson was mindless and his VP signed buying the purchase of the Louisiana Purchase its not that big a deal.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 07, 2025 01:44 PM (2VST1)

197 Are crayons better with the the skins on or off?
Posted by: eleven at March 07, 2025 01:41 PM (0HaGk)

All the vitamins are in the skin.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 07, 2025 01:44 PM (8zz6B)

198 >>>I think they'll just drag his old ass out and have him say, "Yes, we used autopen. I authorized every single signature personally. Suck it."
Posted by: bonhomme
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He'll have to confirm that he has functional knowledge of each document, litigated, with no leading questions.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at March 07, 2025 01:45 PM (E7bCG)

199 180 -----------
Exactly. Try suggesting to a title attorney that you'll sign over the deed to a house you're selling via docu-sign. It won't fly.

Try telling your mortgage lender that you'll sign the final note and mortgage via docu-sign rather than "wet" signature--it won't fly.
Posted by: Crusader at

I signed all my business docs electronically and our last mortgage was docusign. The only thing I have had to do a wet signature on was to open my unemployment tax account with the state which seemed silly.

Posted by: Piper at March 07, 2025 01:45 PM (p4NUW)

200 I killed more people than the entire SS Das Reich Division and your saying I don't have a Pardon?

Posted by: TONY FAUCI at March 07, 2025 01:45 PM (W2EWw)

201 Ruh roh. I guess Trump is a little surprised the Russians are taking advantage of our break with the Uke’s. They been spending the last few days pounding their infrastructure and grids. He just announced “large scale sanctions and tariffs” if they don’t stop it.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 07, 2025 01:45 PM (BswBb)

202 Also, Art II Sec I, the 'removal' clause might apply

but I'm no scholar

Posted by: Don Black at March 07, 2025 01:45 PM (AOsQT)

203 Crayons? What about the signatures on legislation? Take a look now.

Posted by: Deplorable Minion at March 07, 2025 01:46 PM (QSrLX)

204 Biden not realizing that he paused LNG exports isn't surprising. I'd be willing to bet some of the underlings are complicent in the money laundering that was going on with our funding. Our stopping LNG led the Europeans to by billions for LNG from Putin, allowing him to pay for his war. War prolonged, more skimming

Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 07, 2025 01:46 PM (2Km7O)

205 It isn't the use of the Autopen system itself- the issue is whether the person executing the signature was authorized to do so.

Posted by: mrp at March 07, 2025 01:46 PM (rj6Yv)

206 If Thomas Jefferson was mindless and his VP signed buying the purchase of the Louisiana Purchase its not that big a deal.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

I signed it!!!! It's mine!!!
-- Aaron Burr

Posted by: Bulg at March 07, 2025 01:46 PM (77rzZ)

207 Exactly. Try suggesting to a title attorney that you'll sign over the deed to a house you're selling via docu-sign. It won't fly.
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Yes it will, I've done it but there were recorded corresponding telephonic agreements.
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Sorry, but I'm calling bullshit. The court house won't *file* a deed with an electronic signature, regardless of what other evidence you may possess to assure them of anything. A "telephonic agreement" is pointless to a $25 an hour county employee--its all policy and procedure, and they aren't there to make it easy on anyone.

Posted by: Crusader at March 07, 2025 01:46 PM (azSra)

208 Try suggesting to a title attorney that you'll sign over the deed to a house you're selling via docu-sign. It won't fly.

I've done it with a video notary; depends on the state

Posted by: brak at March 07, 2025 01:47 PM (jGJov)

209 Yeah I don't buy that they want Biden on the witness stand for anything under any circumstances. Having him up there answering whether he signed anything or remembers what any of it was is not going to end well.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 07, 2025 01:47 PM (2VST1)

210 Doubtful actually. And any state allowing "remote notarization" isn't taking the role of notary seriously.
Posted by: Crusader at March 07, 2025 01:36 PM (azSra)

What is the role of a notary that's to be taken so seriously?

I'm just acknowledging that I either know the person personally or that they proved to me that they were who they say they were and that I watched them sign.

The only role is to be called as a witness if the signature is disputed. "Yes, I watched the Defendant sign the document in my presence. He showed me his State Drivers license which named him as John Smith."

Why can't that be done remotely?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 07, 2025 01:47 PM (uCjyK)

211 But not by

Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 07, 2025 01:47 PM (2Km7O)

212 As I understand it the principle of law, the more important or significant the document, the more stringent the standards.
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Exactly. Try suggesting to a title attorney that you'll sign over the deed to a house you're selling via docu-sign. It won't fly.

Try telling your mortgage lender that you'll sign the final note and mortgage via docu-sign rather than "wet" signature--it won't fly.
Posted by: Crusader

I don't know how true it is anymore, but the reason they had you sign in blue ink was because it didn't photocopy as blue.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 07, 2025 01:47 PM (A7Jfs)

213 Would a Presidential signature be considered valid if it was in a medium that could be erased, like a pencil?

Posted by: Bulg at March 07, 2025 01:47 PM (77rzZ)

214 "Live ink.". I learned that on Pawn Stars. Thanks, History Channel.

Posted by: Deplorable Minion at March 07, 2025 01:47 PM (QSrLX)

215 Buy not but. TGIF

Posted by: Smell the Glove at March 07, 2025 01:48 PM (2Km7O)

216 74 The autopen exists for a reason, as long as the president is present, aware, and in charge, its okay. If he's not even there or aware of what is going on... that's another story.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 07, 2025 01:17 PM (2VST1)

When I worked at the State Capitol many years ago, the Governor's autopen was used to sign letters to citizens, some proclamations, and other minor things. Anything that pertained to bills, orders, correspondence with Feds, and the state legislature had to be signed by him personally to be official.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at March 07, 2025 01:48 PM (k1E2D)

217 They have been caught, again, red-handed, in malfeasance. I know the litany of “ nothing will happen” that will now ensue… pretty weak reason for not continuing to hammer them with pointing out their crimes.

Posted by: tubal at March 07, 2025 01:48 PM (PCK5/)

218 Trump is mean. So the answer is no.
- Amy Coney Bitch

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at March 07, 2025 01:48 PM (DNoz0)

219 >>>I have no idea what happens in this situation.

Roberts and Barrett call no harm, no foul, and that's that.

Posted by: No Name Today at March 07, 2025 01:48 PM (vlXMQ)

220 I don't know how true it is anymore, but the reason they had you sign in blue ink was because it didn't photocopy as blue.
Posted by: rickb223

When I was in the Navy, only the CO of a ship or unit could sign things in blue ink. Everyone else had to sign in black.

Posted by: Bulg at March 07, 2025 01:49 PM (77rzZ)

221 All of Biden's "Laws" and Executive Orders Were Signed by Autopen (Robotic Signature Duplicator)

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Aka Skynet.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at March 07, 2025 01:49 PM (L/fGl)

222 And by businesses docs, I mean the SBA loan docs, the transfer of ownership, bill of sale, transfer of franchise, purchase of franchise, etc.

Posted by: Piper at March 07, 2025 01:50 PM (p4NUW)

223 Who started the Autopen anyway?
Was it a previous President? Congress?

Posted by: vmom deport deport deporte at March 07, 2025 01:50 PM (/ncst)

224 Swear to God, true autograph!

Posted by: Joe Hancock at March 07, 2025 01:51 PM (bhV/D)

225 I had a guy show up shitfaced to a closing. His attorney kept propping him up to sign stuff. My attorney had enough and said he needed to have his client sober up because it created potential liabilities. The guy stood up, started to take his pants off and said something about signing with his dick. It was like a movie.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 07, 2025 01:52 PM (BswBb)

226 Off topic:

Yesterday I asked what it even meant that Perkins Coie had a security clearance to be revoked. One of our knowledgeable Morons said Sundance was probably the best source on that.

Today, Sundance (The Last Refuge) has an article up with more meat.

Apparently, the fully "Democrat" law firm had an actual FBI computer terminal in their own offices. They then apparently had access to the NSA databases. Presumably, they were capable of opposition research down to the level of your most private data. (Also John Roberts' most private data?)

First off, the FBI should not have had unfettered access to the NSA databases. That is what the FISA court is for.

Secondly, political operatives DEFINITELY should not have had access.

I am sick of this sh*t. People need to be in jail for this level of civil rights violations.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 07, 2025 01:52 PM (Q4Dc6)

227 Take a mighty big rug for the uniparty to sweep this under.

Posted by: Eromero at March 07, 2025 01:52 PM (Dy9lp)

228 "195 Antiques Roadshow has experts who can tell if the person signed the Document or not... I imagine we have people who can also"

With the autopen, the pressure on the paper is uniform throughout the signature - something implausible with an actual person signing.

Posted by: CTHillary, dead but dreaming at March 07, 2025 01:52 PM (zSyrn)

229 Who started the Autopen anyway?
Was it a previous President? Congress?
Posted by: vmom deport deport deporte

Decades old. I have a Reagan autopen signature.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 07, 2025 01:52 PM (mlg/3)

230 My lease had to be a wet signature, 34756 (slight exaggeration) copies, each page notarized. Because Publix is a PIA as a landlord.

Posted by: Piper at March 07, 2025 01:52 PM (p4NUW)

231 The guy stood up, started to take his pants off and said something about signing with his dick. It was like a movie.
Posted by: Marcus T

Was he Zelensky closing on one of his mansions?

Posted by: Bulg at March 07, 2025 01:54 PM (77rzZ)

232 My word as a Biden!

Posted by: The Autopen at March 07, 2025 01:54 PM (HfWSf)

233 Would a Presidential signature be considered valid if it was in a medium that could be erased, like a pencil?
Posted by: Bulg at March 07, 2025 01:47 PM (77rzZ)

At the very least, an executive-level document signed with an autopen should be time-stamped, with the device ID automatically recorded with the user ID. At the same time, the entire document should be copied and indexed to an archive file. Heck, I'd make it necessary for a user image
to be created at the time of signature entry. No pic? Not legit.

Posted by: mrp at March 07, 2025 01:54 PM (rj6Yv)

234 Cyberpen. Ghostpen. Indepen. Havocpen. Randopen. Crazypen.

Posted by: Dig gp Must at March 07, 2025 01:54 PM (XArC2)

235 Who started the Autopen anyway?
Was it a previous President? Congress?
Posted by: vmom deport deport deporte at March 07, 2025 01:50 PM

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It goes all the way back to Jefferson

Posted by: Bigsmith at March 07, 2025 01:54 PM (1Au9i)

236 >> Who started the Autopen anyway?
Was it a previous President? Congress?

Presidents have used it for trivial stuff for the entire history. Say some letter congratulating Gladys Kravitz on her elevation to chairwoman of the Ladies Auxiliary of the Rotary Club or something. Even Jefferson had some early contraption that allowed him to make copies of his letters.

But it was never used for official signing of legislation or other Article II power documents until Obama. W. Bush thought about it, and had a legal counsel opinion written up in favor of it, but he never actually did it. Barky was the first.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at March 07, 2025 01:55 PM (w6EFb)

237 Are crayons better with the the skins on or off?

********

If you remove the wrapping how will you know what flavor it is?

Posted by: muldoon at March 07, 2025 01:55 PM (/iMjX)

238 Cyberpen. Ghostpen. Indepen. Havocpen. Randopen. Crazypen.
Posted by: Dig gp Must

State Pen. Federal pen.

Posted by: Bulg at March 07, 2025 01:55 PM (77rzZ)

239 I bet Biden is now one of those illiterate people that have to make their mark on docs instead of a signature.

Posted by: CaliGirl at March 07, 2025 01:55 PM (CMcGo)

240 "34756 (slight exaggeration) copies"

The epitome of hyperbole.

Posted by: eleven at March 07, 2025 01:56 PM (0HaGk)

241 I'm not going to get my hopes up on this. I can hear it now

"Sure he's a vegetable now, but he was sharp as a tack when he authorized the use of the autopen."

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 07, 2025 01:56 PM (2UnvF)

242 >> Was he Zelensky closing on one of his mansions?
Posted by: Bulg at March 07, 2025 01:54 PM (77rzZ

No, but I told him if he could do that if give him $100. Then the guys slurs, “I knew I liked you”. My attorney wasn’t amused. He was like, dude don’t encourage him.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 07, 2025 01:56 PM (BswBb)

243 151 I am non compost Mentos.

I never compost my Mentos.

Posted by: Bulg at March 07, 2025 01:33 PM (77rzZ)
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Just stay away okay?

Posted by: Coca Cola

Posted by: Ciampino's version of a camel's hump at March 07, 2025 01:56 PM (g4sLG)

244 Whenever the Prez uses an autopen, does he then give the autopen to someone as a souvenir? They do that with the regular pens.

Posted by: Dig gp Must at March 07, 2025 01:56 PM (XArC2)

245 Crayons make you stupid.

Posted by: HOMR at March 07, 2025 01:56 PM (i/l90)

246 All I can say is the examples in the article are identical with the exception of the last one exiting the race.

Posted by: It's me donna at March 07, 2025 01:56 PM (VE6XX)

247 I seem to remember Biden doing a few bill signing ceremonies.

So those bills are legit.

Posted by: SpeakingOf at March 07, 2025 01:56 PM (6ydKt)

248 Obama used it because he is a lazy bastard… Biden?? Because he is a lazy senile bastard…

Posted by: tubal at March 07, 2025 01:56 PM (PCK5/)

249 238 Ha!

Posted by: Dig gp Must at March 07, 2025 01:56 PM (XArC2)

250 There should be some biometric authentication to use the Presidential Autopen.

Posted by: vmom deport deport deporte at March 07, 2025 01:56 PM (/ncst)

251 Biden could sign the documents in ball sweat and it would be valid.

The only way that's not true is if someone could prove in court that he was incompetent at the time of signing. Which is not happening.

So let's move on from this one and focus on more important things. What's done is done, no court is going to pretend to even try to unravel 4 years of Bidens presidency.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 07, 2025 01:56 PM (uCjyK)

252 Send them all to pen island

Posted by: Doof at March 07, 2025 01:57 PM (Uq+qx)

253 Autocuke > Autopen

Posted by: wth at March 07, 2025 01:57 PM (v0R5T)

254 OT: re: Cambridge vandalism color

Klingon suicide bomber or Mary Kay VBIED?

Posted by: DaveA at March 07, 2025 01:57 PM (FhXTo)

255 So is the Presidential Autopen functionally an Imperial Seal? How would we know if anything signed by it was with the approval of the President?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at March 07, 2025 01:57 PM (eYoxG)

256 236 But it was never used for official signing of legislation or other Article II power documents until Obama. W. Bush thought about it, and had a legal counsel opinion written up in favor of it, but he never actually did it. Barky was the first.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at March 07, 2025 01:55 PM (w6EFb)

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I am less moved by the situation, "I was out of town and this needed to be signed, and I hereby authorize the use of my autopen to sign this," written and catalogued.

I'd still demand his actual signature, but I'd know I'd be the crank in the back of the room.

Outside of that? Nope. Hand on pen. Pen to paper. Otherwise, the document is not legally binding.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 07, 2025 01:57 PM (GBKbO)

257 Colonial Penn!

Posted by: Zombie Alex Trebek at March 07, 2025 01:57 PM (i/l90)

258 Autoquill. Autostylus. Autosharpie.

Posted by: Dig gp Must at March 07, 2025 01:57 PM (XArC2)

259 My lease had to be a wet signature, 34756 (slight exaggeration) copies, each page notarized. Because Publix is a PIA as a landlord.
Posted by: Piper

Good thing you never skip arm day.

Posted by: Bulg at March 07, 2025 01:57 PM (77rzZ)

260 I don't know either. Seems to me everything someone else sign should be voided.

Posted by: Danimal28 at March 07, 2025 01:58 PM (1E4GV)

261 Ratshita Taliban on Trump.

Libs of TikTok@libsoftiktok
Democrat Rep. Rashida Tlaib, held up a sign during Trump's speech demanding that Trump "Start by paying your taxes."
In 2014, Rep. Tlaib was forced to pay back more than $4500 after she was caught underpaying property taxes on a rental property for 6 years.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Soldier of the Persistence at March 07, 2025 01:58 PM (L/fGl)

262 Valid or not, true or not, we need to keep going on offense… what went wrong last time was playing defense… their game in other words…

Posted by: tubal at March 07, 2025 01:58 PM (PCK5/)

263 Autopen. Trainpen. Planepen. Boatpen. Always use the right pen for the job.

Posted by: Dig gp Must at March 07, 2025 01:59 PM (XArC2)

264 Penny McPenface.

Posted by: eleven at March 07, 2025 01:59 PM (0HaGk)

265 Didn't they have to send some bill to Biden in the Virgin Islands so he could sign by hand, as he was on vacation there?

Posted by: Bulg at March 07, 2025 01:59 PM (77rzZ)

266 come on, we all know biden only looked senile in public, jean karine pierre insisted he was perfectly fine when no one was around. next please

Posted by: gnats local 678 at March 07, 2025 01:59 PM (CWTWj)

267 Ottoman

Posted by: wth at March 07, 2025 01:59 PM (v0R5T)

268 Ruh roh. I guess Trump is a little surprised the Russians are taking advantage of our break with the Uke’s. They been spending the last few days pounding their infrastructure and grids. He just announced “large scale sanctions and tariffs” if they don’t stop it.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 07, 2025 01:45 PM (BswBb)

Ugh.

This war.

It's like- Do you prefer dying from Explosive Diarrhea or would you rather die from Projectile Vomiting?

Both are available. We also offer a Terminal Case of 50% Explosive Diarrhea and 50% Projectile Vomiting.

Choose now.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 07, 2025 01:59 PM (iJfKG)

269 Nood

Posted by: CaliGirl at March 07, 2025 02:00 PM (CMcGo)

270 >> Outside of that? Nope. Hand on pen. Pen to paper.

This is something that needs to be clarified legally. Congress needs to pass a law on this autopen thing, specifying what conditions are acceptable and all that.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at March 07, 2025 02:00 PM (w6EFb)

271 The only thing I'm aware of that still (or at least until recently) required wet ink signature was transferring deeds, but that's more because it has to be on the deed document and can't be done through docusign.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

Transferring stocks requires a wet signature and a medallion guarantee from a bank, credit union, or trust company.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 07, 2025 02:00 PM (lTGtQ)

272 Valid or not, true or not, we need to keep going on offense… what went wrong last time was playing defense… their game in other words…
Posted by: tubal at March 07, 2025 01:58 PM (PCK5/)

No problem making them play defense or making them deal with stray voltage, but not on easy baby shit. This will go nowhere, has no capacity to go anywhere. We are winning, Trump has lit the path.

Posted by: ... at March 07, 2025 02:01 PM (HfWSf)

273 Outside of that? Nope. Hand on pen. Pen to paper. Otherwise, the document is not legally binding.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, leading the proletariat with Eisenstein at March 07, 2025 01:57 PM (GBKbO)

A thumbprint wouldn't be out of line either.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 07, 2025 02:01 PM (iJfKG)

274 although now that i think of it, i did see biden signing executive orders the afternoon after he was sworn in. i remember someone putting down the folder with whatever exec order it was, biden looks at it and says 'what am i signing here?' and someone says 'never mind, just sign it.'

Posted by: gnats local 678 at March 07, 2025 02:02 PM (CWTWj)

275 I had a guy show up shitfaced to a closing. His attorney kept propping him up to sign stuff. My attorney had enough and said he needed to have his client sober up because it created potential liabilities. The guy stood up, started to take his pants off and said something about signing with his dick. It was like a movie.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 07, 2025 01:52 PM (BswBb)

Sorry about that. I mixed ValuRite and Mexican valium. Never again.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at March 07, 2025 02:02 PM (l3YAf)

276 SKWIRL!!!

Posted by: DaveA at March 07, 2025 02:03 PM (FhXTo)

277 Transferring stocks requires a wet signature and a medallion guarantee from a bank, credit union, or trust company.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 07, 2025 02:00 PM (lTGtQ)

Transferring how?

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at March 07, 2025 02:04 PM (l3YAf)

278 An extraordinary person signs with a Phenom Pen

Posted by: Don Black at March 07, 2025 02:04 PM (AOsQT)

279 "This is something that needs to be clarified legally."

Judges publish their ruling, but signed by autopen. Sigh.

Posted by: Dig gp Must at March 07, 2025 02:05 PM (XArC2)

280 What if the Autopen was a 3D-printed copy?

Posted by: Penception at March 07, 2025 02:05 PM (bt2zC)

281 President Trump has just cut $400 MILLION in federal funding to Columbia University for supporting antisemitic protests, per Fox

Posted by: Don Black at March 07, 2025 02:05 PM (AOsQT)

282 The thing about the autopen wouldn't be worriesome if Buiden came out of his hideaway regularly to talk cogently to the press. But they kept the dotard hidden away. And we just don't know who the hell was running things.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at March 07, 2025 02:06 PM (OA79/)

283 Nancy said I had to sign it to see what was in it.

Posted by: Joe B. at March 07, 2025 02:07 PM (NCclz)

284 I saw Autopenn and Teller do a joint show with the Ink Spots in Vegas back in '11.

Posted by: muldoon at March 07, 2025 02:08 PM (/iMjX)

285 Phenom Pen
Posted by: Don Black

*******

Heh!

Posted by: muldoon at March 07, 2025 02:09 PM (/iMjX)

286 Well, to get Biden to sign something would require shop glasses.

Posted by: Pudinhead at March 07, 2025 02:12 PM (pLaQB)

287 I swear I saw a shot video once showing Kamala handing such things to Biden to sign, at one point getting impatient with him as he asked whet the heck he was signing. It was a "Just sign it, Joe" situation. So doesn't that mean he actually signed at least a FEW?

Posted by: MrExcitement at March 07, 2025 02:18 PM (hOOi9)

288 why thank you

Posted by: Don Black at March 07, 2025 02:18 PM (AOsQT)

289 Undo it!!! UNDO IT ALL!!!!

Posted by: LASue at March 07, 2025 02:22 PM (lCppi)

290 Beyond that, do we really want to get to a place where we start to legally challenge the actions of a president? This smells like the Democrats lawfare.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 07, 2025 01:05 PM (BswBb)

Isn't the point that these are possibly (probably!) NOT the actions of a president, but the actions of someone else? Certainly in the NGO case he didn't know that someone had signed that order in his name.

Posted by: LASue at March 07, 2025 02:27 PM (lCppi)

291 Seems to me that you could validly claim that anything Biden did after the doc said he was too infirm to stand trial so no arrest --anything signed after that is suspicious. Before then too hard to challenge, but after that? I'd say he's challengable. Which includes the pardons.

Posted by: SimoHayha at March 07, 2025 02:51 PM (KfVMM)

292 IOW - like many here concluded, he was fried on Day One.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 07, 2025 03:16 PM (/lPRQ)

293 Footnote:

Lyndon Johnson had a different take on using this kind of information.

When he was in a race against an opponent, he told his assistant to put it out there that the guy was a pig f*****. His assistant protested, "You know that X doesn't f*** pigs!"

Johnson just gave him an evil grin and said, "I know he doesn't. I just want to hear the son of a b**** deny it."

Same thing with this autopen business. Put it out ... on an auxiliary channel, not the Prez himself ... to add to the discrediting of the leftwing junta. Hit them in the face with this dirty wet mop.

Posted by: Beverly at March 07, 2025 03:20 PM (Epeb0)

294 Biden's Mandates illegal and Unconstitutional just like all Liberal Democrats

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at March 07, 2025 04:38 PM (wGqjj)

295 If only one of Biden's orders can be invalidated,
let it be the pardons.

Posted by: OldManMike at March 07, 2025 05:34 PM (vuDVZ)

296 Did he sign it? Highly doubtful. Much more likely that it was a forgery by someone who didn't have access to the auto-pen, while Biden was most likely having some kind of medical emergency that precluded him publicly repudiating it.

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