FBI Suddenly "Discovers" 2,400 Records About the JFK Assassination They Previously "Lost"

Either they're hiding something or they're so slipshod that they've inadvertently created the perfect system of unaccountability and incompetency for hiding something.

The FBI just discovered about 2,400 records tied to President Kennedy's assassination that were never provided to a board tasked with reviewing and disclosing the documents, Axios has learned.
The still-secret records are contained in 14,000 pages of documents the FBI found in a review triggered by President Trump's Jan. 23 executive order demanding the release of all JFK assassination records.
Why it matters: The discovery -- 61 years after Kennedy was killed in Dallas -- follows decades of government reluctance to release all documents related to the assassination, which fueled a mountain of conspiracy theories.
The existence of the new documents was disclosed Friday to the White House, when the Office of the Director of National Intelligence submitted its plan to disclose the assassination records under Trump's order.
Zoom in: The contents of the newly found records are closely held secrets. The three sources who relayed their existence to Axios said they hadn't seen the documents.
But the discovery of thousands of records on one of the most scrutinized events in U.S. history is likely to raise questions about the procedures for vetting and releasing information across the entire government.
"This is huge. It shows the FBI is taking this seriously," said Jefferson Morley, an expert on the assassination and vice president of the nonpartisan Mary Ferrell Foundation, the nation's largest source of online records of Kennedy's killing. He sued the U.S. government for more records.
"The FBI is finally saying, 'Let's respond to the president's order,' instead of keeping the secrecy going," Morley said.

Here are the four possibilities that I see, ranked from least damaging to most damaging.

I'm at the point where I'm hoping for "most damaging."

4. Nothing important is disclosed -- there is no there there.

I think there's a good chance that we find out that the Warren Report was basically accurate.

I was into JFK assassination stuff in high school. A lot of the case for conspiracy is built on questions of irregularities in procedures or paperwork. For example, the emergency room doctor who treated Kennedy put in his notes that there was a bullet wound in his high upper back. But the Warren Report said that the "Magic Bullet" went through his neck, not his back.

The implication -- or explicit claim -- was that the ER doctor's notes were accurate, but the Warren Commission needed to lie about the Magic Bullet passing through Kennedy's neck, so they just moved the wound.

My last belief in the assassination conspiracy theory was ended by the OJ Simpson trial. I watched as the defense alleged a Conspiracy So Vast, and built their case on various claims of irregularities or unanswered questions -- why was there some kind of blood preservative found in the vials of blood recovered from the crime scene? (Or whatever it was -- I'm hazy on it now.)

So the OJ Simpson trial convinced me that in any investigation, if you ask questions about every single bit of paperwork or evidence, you can manufacture doubt where there's really, absolutely no doubt at all. It made me re-evaluate how suspicious -- or non-suspicious -- it is to find tiny discrepancies in paperwork or witness accounts.

They're always going to be there. Always.

3. Lee Harvey Oswald was recruited as a CIA asset to spy on leftwing pro-Cuba groups but turned out to be an angry, mentally-ill communist and wound up killing Kennedy. The CIA wanted to hide its association with him, so they covered it up for 60 years.

I rate this is as pretty likely. I think most people assume this (at the very least). This is the least-damaging version of the conspiracy theory. The CIA recruits a mentally-ill angry young man and loser with a messiah complex, and that mentally-ill angry young man then tries to change history.

We hear about "blowback" from covert operations. Wikipedia:

Blowback is the unintended consequences and unwanted side-effects of a covert operation. To the civilians suffering the blowback of covert operations, the effect typically manifests itself as "random" acts of political violence without a discernible, direct cause; because the public--in whose name the intelligence agency acted--are unaware of the effected secret attacks that provoked revenge (counter-attack) against them.

So, if this turns out to be true, the CIA's covert op against anti-Castro groups winds up producing a CIA-connected-and-protected asset killing the CIA's boss. Obviously, these "patriots' then cover up any connection they have with Oswald.

2. The CIA had a direct role in the assassination of... Lee Harvey Oswald.

This builds off the last one. "I'm just a patsy," Lee Harvey Oswald said on camera as he was moved through the Dallas police building. The CIA, realizing that Oswald would talk up his connections to the CIA, even if fairly insubstantial, recruited strip-joint owner Jack Ruby to kill Oswald to silence him.

Ruby was later diagnosed with lung cancer, which he died from in 1967. Did he already know he was dying? Conspiracists think he knew he had lung cancer and that's why the CIA was able to convince him to kill Oswald and take the fall -- he was dying anyway, and the CIA would pay a lot of money to his family members.

I don't know about this one. It always seemed strange that this dirtbag just decided to execute Lee Harvey Oswald because, as he claimed, he wanted to spare Jacqueline Onasis of the heartache of Oswald's trial.

I mean: Sure. Whatever, dude.

1. Oswald was part of a team of assassins the CIA hired to kill Kennedy, and was the only one caught. (Or the designated "patsy.")

This is obviously the one that JFK assassination buffs really want to prove.

I've always doubted this one. To kill Kennedy, the plotters wouldn't have to just kill Kennedy. They'd have also have had to secure permission to kill him from the man who'd replace Kennedy, LBJ, and RFK the Attorney General. You can't get away with killing a president if you don't have the government pre-corrupted to do a slipshod job of investigating and guarantee you they will throw the case and let you get away with it.

This last part is why I've doubted these claims since I first got interested in them in high school. Can it really be that most of the top echelon of government, the DOJ, the FBI, the CIA, etc., were all on-board with killing him? Could you really have a Conspiracy So Vast that it would make Hillary Clinton blush?

And note that the theory that Oswald was part of the conspiracy but a designated patsy conflicts with the theory that he was a CIA asset. If he's a CIA asset, you wouldn't want him for the patsy. It can be traced back to the CIA.

What do you think?

Posted by: Ace at 04:46 PM

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1 Howdy!

Posted by: Moonbeam at February 11, 2025 04:46 PM (rbKZ6)

2 This is like the Dead Sea Scrolls for assholes.

Posted by: gKWVE at February 11, 2025 04:48 PM (gKWVE)

3 I suspect that 2 and 3 are what we'll find.

It's kind of what I've assumed for a long time.

But I have no emotional involvement in the idea. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching B-movies with Roger Corman at February 11, 2025 04:48 PM (GBKbO)

4 WHAT A SHOCK!

All these straight shooters at the FBI have been lying for 60 years!

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at February 11, 2025 04:48 PM (zjgNU)

5 my favorite theory: secret service guy in a following car stood up, mishandling his m-16 and it accidentally went off. book: mortal error

Posted by: anachronda at February 11, 2025 04:48 PM (vZ/Zl)

6 Unexpectedly!

Posted by: ShainS -- It's A Sorry State of Affairs When It's The Judges Who Need Hanging at February 11, 2025 04:48 PM (u95ui)

7 Kennedy was shot.

Pretty sure that's a proven fact.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at February 11, 2025 04:49 PM (3Dcbq)

8 Ace

Embrace the healing power of "and"

They are slipshod and hiding something.

JFK's brain is locked up in Disney's vault.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2025 04:49 PM (fvLXw)

9 Oopsie!

Oopsie!

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 11, 2025 04:49 PM (B9Prs)

10 All I know is that Doctor Who just watched JFK die because JFK was going to turn into a giant alien beast monster who let in the Daleks.

I think.

I wasn't paying close attention.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching B-movies with Roger Corman at February 11, 2025 04:49 PM (GBKbO)

11 Everyday is a circus with the US government.

Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 04:49 PM (krQz2)

12 7 Kennedy was shot.

Pretty sure that's a proven fact.
Posted by: WitchDoktor at February 11, 2025 04:49 PM (3Dcbq)

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Shot full of amphetamines!

Party!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching B-movies with Roger Corman at February 11, 2025 04:50 PM (GBKbO)

13 Oooh, a Kennedy thread....

I was HUGE into the assassination subculture back in the 90's.

I'd better read the content before I say more though, hang on

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at February 11, 2025 04:50 PM (xcxpd)

14 Jackie-O was the trigger puller. Did it remotely. With a string.

About as probable as any other theory.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 11, 2025 04:50 PM (Q4IgG)

15 WHAT A SHOCK!

All these straight shooters at the FBI have been lying for 60 years!
Posted by: Formerly Virginian

Longer than that. J. Edgar Hoover was a cross-dresser. That tells you all you need to know about the roots of the F Bee Eye and it's path forward.

Posted by: Tonypete at February 11, 2025 04:50 PM (WXNFJ)

16 Did they find them because someone at USAID kept receipts?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 11, 2025 04:50 PM (B9Prs)

17 If the CIA didn't do it, that really throws the whole "CIA plots to get rid of Nixon then ousting Agnew and installing Ford" thing into doubt, doesn't it?

I'm confident Sirhan Sirhan didn't shoot RFK, though he tried.

We should probably just burn down all the secret agencies, just to be safe.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at February 11, 2025 04:50 PM (asXVI)

18 13
I'd better read the content before I say more though, hang on
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at February 11, 2025 04:50 PM (xcxpd)

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You must be new around here.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching B-movies with Roger Corman at February 11, 2025 04:50 PM (GBKbO)

19 I'd say there is a certain amount of reducto ad absurdum here. Or needs to be done.

My guess: Oswald was a commie foil. Or a mob one.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2025 04:50 PM (bss/y)

20 "FBI Suddenly "Discovers" 2,400 Pages About the JFK Assassination"

They're just throwing us a bone, so we'll stop hunting for the other 500K pages they have hidden.

Posted by: Preparing gp For Lazy Loading at February 11, 2025 04:50 PM (86StK)

21 LBJ. He knew in advance. He may have had a more active role. There is supposedly footage out there of him flinching a split-second before the first shot was fired.

Also, anyone who approved *that* particular route for the convoy had to be in on it.

Posted by: Crusader at February 11, 2025 04:50 PM (TN0g+)

22 The FBI is throwing out the eclectic Squirrel from Hell to get the heat off.

Brilliant and sad.

Posted by: pawn at February 11, 2025 04:50 PM (QB+5g)

23 This last part is why I've doubted these claims since I first got interested in them in high school. Can it really be that most of the top echelon of government, the DOJ, the FBI, the CIA, etc., were all on-board with killing him? Could you really have a Conspiracy So Vast that it would make Hillary Clinton blush?

What do you think?

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My other issue with the "super conspiracy" is that for all these 60 years you could have made a lot of money leaking the information to the public. Yet no new info in all this time has come out?

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 04:50 PM (n7h9X)

24
The CIA, realizing that Oswald would talk up his connections to the CIA, even if fairly insubstantial, recruited strip-joint owner Jack Ruby to kill Oswald to silence him.

They were going to move Oswald but he wanted to change his shirt. Had he left when he should have, Jack Ruby wouldn't even have been there.

Also, Ruby was a notorious blabbermouth. If you wanted to keep a secret, the last person you'd tell it to was Jack Ruby.

At worst, I think, this will put some agencies in a worse light, but I doubt there will be anything earth shattering about this.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 11, 2025 04:51 PM (dxSpM)

25 What do you think?

That a good portion of our "Government" is willing and able to do just about anything to achieve its goals. During Wilson's admin, they allowed his wife to act as President. During FDR, the Gov't was used as a cudgel against FDR's political enemies. After what was done to Trump, I can believe our "betters" are capable of almost anything.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at February 11, 2025 04:51 PM (ynpvh)

26 Kennedy should've turned his head more often.

Posted by: DaveA at February 11, 2025 04:51 PM (FhXTo)

27 BULLET

https://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=sTAan-fd9PU

Posted by: MISFITS at February 11, 2025 04:51 PM (oa1NA)

28 JFK assassination

Not the first time the Doctor whimper out of making a true change to the timeline.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2025 04:51 PM (fvLXw)

29 Oh, in any situation where there isn't full information available, people naturally try to fill in the blanks.

It's a trait that I've found to be useful when I need to manipulate people.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at February 11, 2025 04:51 PM (3Dcbq)

30 This last part is why I've doubted these claims since I first got interested in them in high school. Can it really be that most of the top echelon of government, the DOJ, the FBI, the CIA, etc., were all on-board with killing him? Could you really have a Conspiracy So Vast that it would make Hillary Clinton blush?

What do you think?

Posted by: Ace at 04:46 PM

I never believed it before thinking it too far fetched.

Seeing how corrupt our "deep state" is, I've lost the certainty I had.

Our government has been evil for a long time.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at February 11, 2025 04:51 PM (zjgNU)

31 10 All I know is that Doctor Who just watched JFK die because JFK was going to turn into a giant alien beast monster who let in the Daleks.

I think.

I wasn't paying close attention.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching B-movies with Roger Corman at February 11, 2025 04:49 PM (GBKbO)

Don't even get the doctor started on the moon landing.

That was actually a good bit. The first half or so of Matt Smith was very good, then things started to go side ways. I blame Clara (who is hot.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2025 04:51 PM (bss/y)

32 I think they're stalling, creating a vetting problem to run out the clock without ever disclosing.

Posted by: cpurick at February 11, 2025 04:51 PM (z2trd)

33 I could be a Patsy or a Betty or a Jane . . .

Posted by: Don LeMon at February 11, 2025 04:51 PM (L/fGl)

34 At this point I do not believe a single word from any government entity except Trump and his team. We have been lied to for decades and we will never learn the real truth about jfk or anything.

This $hit goes back as far as the end of WWII when the oss assassinated Patton because they were afraid if he ran for President he would win and get us into a shooting/nuclear war with Russia.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at February 11, 2025 04:52 PM (Rcnd3)

35 Oswald was a triple agent of the KGB/CIA/Mob.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2025 04:52 PM (fvLXw)

36 The year is 2025.

Everyone associated with this killing is dead and gone.

So...why the cover up?

This is why I'll always believe that there is a there there.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 11, 2025 04:52 PM (KbCG3)

37 LBJ hired it out. Probably to Mac Wallace.

Posted by: DenverGregg at February 11, 2025 04:52 PM (d/3RC)

38 10 All I know is that Doctor Who just watched JFK die because JFK was going to turn into a giant alien beast monster who let in the Daleks.

red dwarf got jfk to assassinate him self to cover a time-travel paradox while kryten's morality chip was malfunctioning

Posted by: anachronda at February 11, 2025 04:52 PM (vZ/Zl)

39 Clara, talk about a Mary Sue

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2025 04:52 PM (fvLXw)

40 28 JFK assassination

Not the first time the Doctor whimper out of making a true change to the timeline.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2025 04:51 PM (fvLXw)

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Doctor Who is full of bullshit excuses for why he does or does not do stuff.

But, embracing "time locked" for all history would be just an easy out forever. "I travel. I don't change events. It's impossible to change events."

But the writers never do that. Some are time locked others aren't. It's bullshit why each time.

Whatever. It's a kids' show.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching B-movies with Roger Corman at February 11, 2025 04:52 PM (GBKbO)

41 What do you think?
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I'm not saying it's aliens...

Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 04:53 PM (krQz2)

42 The Good Ex Boyfriend's brother took a poli sci class in college and one of the projects was to present a conspiracy theory about the JFK assassination. The point of the project was to show how easy it was to create conspiracies.

He put together one that said Ma Bell did it and by the time he finished doing a practice run through before me and the Good Ex Boyfriend, we were both all okay what the hell, that actually makes sense.

He did it in class and the professor was all okay what the hell that makes sense.

I wish I'd kept a copy of it.

Posted by: alexthechick at February 11, 2025 04:53 PM (1YfKX)

43 why was there some kind of blood preservative found in the vials of blood recovered from the crime scene?
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EDTA is added to blood samples to keep them from coagulating by chelating calcium ions. I would imagine adding EDTA to the crime scene blood samples was SOP.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 04:53 PM (YqDXo)

44 Sniff.

Scratch.

Where's my bourbon?

Posted by: WitchDoktor at February 11, 2025 04:53 PM (3Dcbq)

45 Ted Cruz's father hardest hit ...

Posted by: ShainS -- It's A Sorry State of Affairs When It's The Judges Who Need Hanging at February 11, 2025 04:53 PM (u95ui)

46 So...why the cover up?

This is why I'll always believe that there is a there there.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 11, 2025 04:52 PM (KbCG3)

Yeah, that is the tricky bit. Secrecy for secrecy sake? Or covering for some sort of dem sacred cow.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2025 04:53 PM (bss/y)

47 >>>I'm confident Sirhan Sirhan didn't shoot RFK, though he tried.

why is that? I've never, ever understood this conspiracy theory. It's on film, isn't it?

Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 04:53 PM (KRtlO)

48 Most of Sliders was proto-woke agitprop but I did appreciate the alternate universe where J Edgar Hoover won, the US was a police state, and all the cops had to wear leather skirts. Fabulous!

Posted by: gKWVE at February 11, 2025 04:53 PM (gKWVE)

49 Agree with almost all here. It was an anti-coagulant found in the vial at OJ's trial. And, yes, it hardly raises a reasonable doubt but does show how much flaws there are in categorizing evidence, as you suggest.

As for your points, again, basically completely agreed. I vary a little on the third one there. Robert Littell in his fictional SISTERS (obviously based on inside information) pretty well laid out what I think happened--benign neglect of an asset. The CIA was really, really pissed when JFK cucked at the Bay of Pigs and none too worried outside of the damage to their reputation that an asset might have gone rogue and decided to do what they wanted.

So they sat on their hands.

It wasn't murder per se, more like a reckless homicide, and that aspect has been ignored.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 11, 2025 04:53 PM (CaELB)

50 "It's a trait that I've found to be useful when I need to manipulate people."

Oh yes WD, and the fun is in making it all too plausible based on the nature of the target.

Posted by: pawn at February 11, 2025 04:53 PM (QB+5g)

51 31 Don't even get the doctor started on the moon landing.

That was actually a good bit. The first half or so of Matt Smith was very good, then things started to go side ways. I blame Clara (who is hot.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2025 04:51 PM (bss/y)

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Stephen Moffat had one and a half great seasons in him, and he just kind of burned out.

The best Doctor Who ever got, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching B-movies with Roger Corman at February 11, 2025 04:53 PM (GBKbO)

52 I think #3 is a pretty good bet.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 04:53 PM (YqDXo)

53 >>>To kill Kennedy, the plotters wouldn't have to just kill Kennedy. They'd have also have had to secure permission to kill him from the man who'd replace Kennedy, LBJ, and RFK the Attorney General.

Why? Let's say Allen Dulles, fresh off being fired by JFK and not too far removed from the Bay of Pigs "betrayal" decided it was a matter of national security to get rid of the Commie-friendly JFK.

He talks to some people involved in the Bay of Pigs fiasco, who also feel betrayed by JFK.

He gets some CIA contractors, including people with deep connections to the mafia and to Cuban exiles, to do the dirty work. They choose Oswald as a patsy due to his Soviet connections (which was probably CIA-related). Oswald is supposed to die at the scene.

When Oswald lives, they send a team to find him. That team kills JD Tippet.

Oswald gets captured at the movie theater, said "I'm a patsy", the CIA freaks out, and the mafia puts pressure on Ruby to kill Oswald.

The coverup would likely require some elements of the FBI (who could have also been CIA resources) to be involved, but otherwise, this could all be done by the deep state.

None of this would be on the books.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 04:53 PM (uCjyK)

54
The grassy knolls of chemtrails.

Posted by: Frank Barone at February 11, 2025 04:54 PM (+oR7L)

55 2. The CIA had a direct role in the assassination of... Lee Harvey Oswald.

Old gag:

Q: How do we know the CIA wasn't involved in the JFK assassination?

A: He's dead, isn't he?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 11, 2025 04:54 PM (kgE5c)

56 LBJ and Dulles were responsible, imo.

Oswald was indeed a patsy.

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2025 04:54 PM (oa1NA)

57 >>>EDTA is added to blood samples to keep them from coagulating by chelating calcium ions. I would imagine adding EDTA to the crime scene blood samples was SOP.

yes that's true but they story went that they found it where they shouldn't have. Like it was in the original sample, before they moved it to the vial. Or whatever. I forget. There was like a week of the trial spent on this.

Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 04:54 PM (KRtlO)

58 39 Clara, talk about a Mary Sue
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2025 04:52 PM (fvLXw)

But a hot one. She became too central. It is like they were trying to recreate Rose. She (Clara) is a charismatic (and hot) actress, but it felt forced.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2025 04:54 PM (bss/y)

59 The year is 2025.

Everyone associated with this killing is dead and gone.

So...why the cover up?

This is why I'll always believe that there is a there there.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 11, 2025 04:52 PM (KbCG3)

If there's nothing there an no cover up they could never release enough to make you change your mind

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 04:54 PM (n7h9X)

60 My FIL is known behind his back as "Grassy Knoll" because he's never met a conspiracy theory he didn't like.

He's torn on this one- thinks JFK assassination was at the hands either Castro or the Mob.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at February 11, 2025 04:54 PM (LxER7)

61 Even the "Time Locked" excuse on the Daleks is BS

Tom Bakker episode where he could have blown up the first creche of Daleks but decided against it because of 'the good' things that arise...

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2025 04:54 PM (fvLXw)

62 47 >>>I'm confident Sirhan Sirhan didn't shoot RFK, though he tried.

why is that? I've never, ever understood this conspiracy theory. It's on film, isn't it?
Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 04:53 PM (KRtlO)

IIRC, there's some discrepancy about the number of bullets fired and what matched to Sirhans' gun. According to the interwebs (quick search):

"In the Robert F. Kennedy assassination, the official report states that Sirhan Sirhan fired eight bullets, but some evidence analysis suggests there may have been more shots fired, leading to discrepancies about the exact number of bullets that hit Kennedy and other victims at the scene; this discrepancy has fueled conspiracy theories about the assassination. "

Posted by: Thrawn at February 11, 2025 04:54 PM (9Ovst)

63 JFK was very opposed to Captain Kool and the Kongs and Marty Kraft needed him out of the way to start working on his Saturday morning show.

It's obvious.

Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 04:55 PM (krQz2)

64 Stephen Moffat had one and a half great seasons in him, and he just kind of burned out.

The best Doctor Who ever got, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching B-movies with Roger Corman at February 11, 2025 04:53 PM (GBKbO)

11th Hour is awesome.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2025 04:55 PM (bss/y)

65 >>why is that? I've never, ever understood this conspiracy theory. It's on film, isn't it?

You should checkout the America's Untold Stories on RFK and JFK Assasinations.

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2025 04:55 PM (oa1NA)

66
0. Lizard people lost a pair of special glasses, allowing Oswald to see the truth for the first time. He believed JFK was the head lizard, but did not realize that the CIA was lizard central and JFK was a patsy and the assassination was necessary to put LBJ, a non-lizard collaborator, in charge.

Ruby was infected with lizard spawn ingested to make him go and kill Oswald. This was apparent by his missing thumbs and love of walnuts.

The thumbs and walnuts part is the real top secret information that the CIA is trying to protect.

Posted by: Gentlemen, Please, please, it's too much winning! at February 11, 2025 04:55 PM (TI7sk)

67
Everyone associated with this killing is dead and gone.

Bill Moyers is still hanging around.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 11, 2025 04:55 PM (dxSpM)

68 Ok, my take based on what I've read, listened to, and digested:

Oswald was not the shooter, he was a intel asset. Pick your favorite flavor but he was a government contractor if not more.

Ruby killed Oswald as instructed and was then murdered via injection of cancerous cells by a CIA doctor. That last part is not an exaggeration.

There were multiple shooters targeting Kennedy in Daley Plaza.

There was an organized coverup after the killing and evidence destroyed to support that. The FBI was deeply involved in the coverup, but PROBABLY not the killing itself.

The Zapurder film was a surprise and caused a whole 'nother layer of obfuscation to be manufactured with limited success.

The Warren Commission was a whitewash and was not interested in facts, it was interested in proving the conclusion they started with.

I could go on but...basically the Intel State killed Kennedy, IMO.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at February 11, 2025 04:55 PM (xcxpd)

69 >> why is that? I've never, ever understood this conspiracy theory. It's on film, isn't it?

Yeah, sorta.

RFK got shot in the back. Sirhan was always in front of him. And there were way more bullets than he could have fired.

https://justiceforrfk.com/evidence/ballistics.html

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at February 11, 2025 04:55 PM (asXVI)

70 JFK is still alive and running the Deep State from a cave in Ecuador.

The thing that got shot in that convertible was a robot.

Lee Harvey Oswald never even existed, it was just deep fake videos implanted into our timeline by Elon Musk's clones with their time machines.

It's so obvious. Wake up, sheeple.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2025 04:55 PM (jKo6M)

71 Always loved Dana Carvey's bit on the preposterousness of the LAPD one day conspiring to frame OJ.

"We gotta get that son of a bitch."

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 11, 2025 04:55 PM (KbCG3)

72 /Puts on his tinfoil hat.

My favorite conspiracy on this subject? JFK had signed an Executive Order to bring creation of the Dollar, back under Government control... as the Constitution actually dictates. This would have destroyed the Banks as it would have put Fractional Lending, under government control (Fractional Lending is how most Dollars are created, out of nothing but the idea of debt)...

Johnson immediately rescinded said EO....

The Banksters did it... with the help of some Gov agents.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 11, 2025 04:55 PM (QAkQ3)

73 Script Writer: I got an idea, A lone gunman killed by a lone gunman, how does that sound.

Editor: Not believable.

Script Writer: How about gay sex parties with the Director of The FBI?

Editor: Sold!!!

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 11, 2025 04:55 PM (XV/Pl)

74 I had the Soviets/Castro as my #1, but now have Allen Dulles / CIA as my #1. Based on probabilty. Lone wolf Oswald is my #3.

It would have been quite easy to have framed Oswald for shots taken from the Depository, as if he was the shooter.

Lots of circumstantial evidence. JFK had just fired Dulles. AND LOTS MORE.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 11, 2025 04:56 PM (Gqoy+)

75 FBI Suddenly "Discovers" 2,400 Pages

It's 2400 docs comprising 14,000 pages.

Probably Lee Harvey Oswald's manifesto, which they got AI to write.

Posted by: t-bird at February 11, 2025 04:56 PM (yZv1m)

76 All I know is that Levon Helm still has the shovel he used to bury the shooters.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2025 04:56 PM (LkLld)

77 64 11th Hour is awesome.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2025 04:55 PM (bss/y)

========

And he's responsible for most of the best individual episodes under Davies.

Damn..Doctor Who got lucky with him in the writer's room.

And then they went with Chibell, or whatever his name is.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching B-movies with Roger Corman at February 11, 2025 04:56 PM (GBKbO)

78
I never understood how a marine could get to Russia, renounce his citizenship, take a russian bride and then get back to the US and and get repatriated back into society during the coldest of cold wars. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Posted by: Frank Barone at February 11, 2025 04:56 PM (+oR7L)

79 why is that? I've never, ever understood this conspiracy theory. It's on film, isn't it?
Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 04:53 PM (KRtlO)

The bullets pulled from RFK's body are not the same caliber as the types Sirhan shot. Also, the trajectory of the bullets was from the rear.

Sirhan (who, like Jack Ruby, claims to have no memory of the shooting), shot two shots from the front at close distance at RFK before he was tackled by security. One hit RFK, one missed. Six more shots were fired during the tussle with security, all shots going behind him and being identified (I think they all hit people). His gun held 8 bullets.

RFK Jr. has done podcasts on the subject. He even names the shooter.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 04:56 PM (uCjyK)

80
Q: How do we know the CIA wasn't involved in the JFK assassination?

A: He's dead, isn't he?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 11, 2025 04:54 PM (kgE5c)

"It bore all the traces of a CIA operation. Everyone except the intended victim was killed."

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 11, 2025 04:56 PM (dxSpM)

81 Agree with almost all here. It was an anti-coagulant found in the vial at OJ's trial. And, yes, it hardly raises a reasonable doubt but does show how much flaws there are in categorizing evidence, as you suggest.
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Not knowledgeable about clinical chemistry, but is it possible to do all of the relevant studies on coagulated blood? If not, then adding an anti-coagulant to samples makes perfect sense, and does not by itself indicate any malfeasance.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 04:56 PM (YqDXo)

82 that it would make Hillary Clinton blush?

Objection! Introduces assumption that there's something that would make Hillary! blush.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 11, 2025 04:56 PM (a3Q+t)

83 If the CIA didn't do it, that really throws the whole "CIA plots to get rid of Nixon then ousting Agnew and installing Ford" thing into doubt, doesn't it?

I gather there actually is some evidence of CIA (via USAID) involvement in Watergate.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 11, 2025 04:56 PM (Dstek)

84 Why? Let's say Allen Dulles, fresh off being fired by JFK and not too far removed from the Bay of Pigs "betrayal" decided it was a matter of national security to get rid of the Commie-friendly JFK.

Commie Friendly JFK?

The one who attacked Bay of Pigs and did the Missile Crisis?

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 04:57 PM (n7h9X)

85 Read contents and fed the cat. Big mistake,

Posted by: From about That Time at February 11, 2025 04:57 PM (4780s)

86 >>Ruby killed Oswald as instructed and was then murdered via injection of cancerous cells by a CIA doctor. That last part is not an exaggeration.

Dr Jolly West is a helluva character.

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2025 04:57 PM (oa1NA)

87 Longer than that. J. Edgar Hoover was a cross-dresser. That tells you all you need to know about the roots of the F Bee Eye and it's path forward.
Posted by: Tonypete at February 11, 2025 04:50 PM (WXNFJ)

It's absolutely flooring to me that C.S. Lewis knew that the enemy would use the sexually degenerate as his foot soldiers in subverting the world.

Lewis' had almost all of the villains in his dystopian future novel as various types of sexual degenerates.

I thought it strange when I read it 30 years ago. I since have understood that he was much more prescient than I judged.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at February 11, 2025 04:57 PM (zjgNU)

88 Guys, it was really Dr. Sam Beckett who assassinated Kennedy. He Leaped into Oswald and was driven insane by the guy's mind.

Posted by: Thrawn at February 11, 2025 04:57 PM (9Ovst)

89 2 and 3 but no record of 4. They would never make case files about their plans to kill the President, obviously.

Posted by: Max Power at February 11, 2025 04:57 PM (q177U)

90 I can't believe I'm thinking about this more.

What if Kennedy wasn't the target? Didn't Oswald write threatening letters to Connally? Maybe he was a shit shot and killed Kennedy when he was aiming at Connally?

More important question, why is the only time I think about this shit is when I'm four bourbons into the 4:00 hour...?

Posted by: WitchDoktor at February 11, 2025 04:57 PM (3Dcbq)

91 They'd have also have had to secure permission to kill him from the man who'd replace Kennedy, LBJ, and RFK the Attorney General.

Does the CIA strike you as respectful of the chain of command?

Posted by: t-bird at February 11, 2025 04:57 PM (yZv1m)

92 never understood how a marine could get to Russia, renounce his citizenship, take a russian bride and then get back to the US and and get repatriated back into society during the coldest of cold wars. It just doesn't make sense to me.
Posted by: Frank Barone at February 11, 2025 04:56 PM (+oR7L)

Correct, it does not make sense.

Also, before his school book depository job, how was Oswald supporting himself?

His wife and kid lived with a family friend of Allen Dulles (!!!). He moved around New Orleans and Dallas. He didn't seem to ever have a job.

How does that work?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 04:57 PM (uCjyK)

93
Circles in circles in circles.

Posted by: Oliver Stone at February 11, 2025 04:57 PM (+oR7L)

94 Israel did it because JFK opposed the development of their nukes.

Posted by: Otto Warmbier at February 11, 2025 04:58 PM (JiAsv)

95 I never understood how a marine could get to Russia, renounce his citizenship, take a russian bride and then get back to the US and and get repatriated back into society during the coldest of cold wars. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Posted by: Frank Barone at February 11, 2025 04:56 PM (+oR7L)
_________________

I've never understood how we'd let a boatload of MS-13 members into the U.S., but here we are.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 04:58 PM (YqDXo)

96 I'm going with a Strozk & Paige (sp?) - type conspiracy in which a few bad actors in CIA cashed in their insurance policy and no one else was aware, certainly not the entire govt...

Posted by: Alexander Scipio at February 11, 2025 04:58 PM (029Oi)

97 My preferred conspiracy is that Jack Ruby was the cleanup crew to prevent Oswald from talking.
I doubt the full truth, if there actually was a conspiracy, will be revealed. Sometimes the truth is never put to paper precisely because it could come to light later on.

Posted by: fb at February 11, 2025 04:58 PM (JVEmw)

98 I have watched JFK (1991) and JFK Revisited: Through the Looking Glass (2021) -- where they were able to look through a LOT more documents which had been declassified since the 1991 movie -- numerous times and I am convinced that Oswald could not have killed John F. Kennedy and there were multiple shooters.

Between the doctors who switched their story about the direction one of the bullets hit Kennedy, the multiple hit teams in multiple cities, the "magic bullet" chain of custody having a lot of problems, the chain of custody of Kennedy's brain having issues, the pictures taken of Kennedy's brain not being the same as after he was shot... among numerous other things called out in the JFK Revisited documentary.

IMDB: https://imdb.to/4hR040o

Wiki: https://bit.ly/40X8UTm

After the 1991 film JFK, Congress enacts the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992, establishing a review board to declassify assassination-related documents. The film disputes the chain of evidence for the "single bullet" that caused wounds to Kennedy and Governor John Connally. Researcher Barry Ernest, author of the 2010 JFK book The Girl on the Stairs, is interviewed...

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at February 11, 2025 04:58 PM (P5BPp)

99 And then they went with Chibell, or whatever his name is.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching B-movies with Roger Corman at February 11, 2025 04:56 PM (GBKbO)

I honestly stopped watching during the tail end of Matt Smith. Chibnell? There's an n in there.

The episode at Stonehenge is also quite good.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2025 04:58 PM (bss/y)

100 I think it's all a henway.

Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 04:58 PM (krQz2)

101 You left out "mob hit." (With CIA, FBI etc. burying documents to cover up their own mob connections).

Seems to me Jack Ruby, with all his mafia connections, must have had some motivation to wander into Dallas PD and shoot Oswald in plain view of cops and a live TV audience.

I figure the mob was worried that Oswald was about to sing ("I'm just a patsy."). They had to lean on Ruby to do this because DPD Officer Tippit blew his assignment to whack Oswald on the 22nd.

Posted by: pikkumatti at February 11, 2025 04:59 PM (FY8nG)

102 || Ruby killed Oswald as instructed and was then murdered via injection of cancerous cells by a CIA doctor. That last part is not an exaggeration

Dr. Jolly West! Who I believe also treated both John Hinkley AND Marc Chapman!

But who is most famous for killing an elephant with LSD.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at February 11, 2025 04:59 PM (asXVI)

103 Agree with you about Kennedy, no elaborate conspiracy

But this:

'You can't get away with killing a president if you don't have the government pre-corrupted to do a slipshod job of investigating and guarantee you they will throw the case and let you get away with it.'

is what happened with Trump, only they missed by a fraction of an inch.

Posted by: xelon at February 11, 2025 04:59 PM (+GVyA)

104 3. Lee Harvey Oswald was recruited as a CIA asset

2. The CIA had a direct role in the assassination of... Lee Harvey Oswald.

1. Oswald was part of a team of assassins the CIA hired to kill Kennedy, and was the only one caught. (Or the designated "patsy.")

Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have ~~six~~ three ways from ~~Sunday~~ the CIA at getting back at you.

Posted by: Chuck Schumer at February 11, 2025 04:59 PM (ycI94)

105 99 I honestly stopped watching during the tail end of Matt Smith. Chibnell? There's an n in there.

The episode at Stonehenge is also quite good.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2025 04:58 PM (bss/y)

=====

We soldiered on until Capaldi took over as the Doctor.

I think we lasted half a season. Mostly, Dolley just hated it all.

I got tired of it. Too dark for a show for kids. It was this weird class that didn't really work. I dunno. Never cared about rediscovering it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching B-movies with Roger Corman at February 11, 2025 04:59 PM (GBKbO)

106 Remember this is the same CIA who green lit the coup d'etat against our ally South Vietnam's elected President. And then acted shocked when the coup leaders had Diem and his brother murdered.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2025 04:59 PM (fvLXw)

107 Doesn't Project Delta connect Ruby with John Wayne Gacy?

Posted by: Max Power at February 11, 2025 04:59 PM (q177U)

108
The one-armed man chuckles...

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 11, 2025 04:59 PM (dxSpM)

109 Longer than that. J. Edgar Hoover was a cross-dresser.
_________________

Reportedly KGB disinformation. Hoover was almost certainly a shirt-lifter, but not necessarily a cross-dresser.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 04:59 PM (YqDXo)

110 Commie Friendly JFK?

The one who attacked Bay of Pigs and did the Missile Crisis?
Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 04:57 PM (n7h9X)

Yes, Dulles had a special hatred for JFK and told everyone who would listen that JFK was pro-communist.

Namely, he thought JFK committed treason by not providing air support for the bay of pigs, then showed he was a Russian Stooge by making a deal with Kruschev about removing missiles in Europe if they removed missiles in Cuba.

Now, obviously, Dulles would be in a position to know that JFK was not a commie, and I imagine he was really pissed at JFK because JFK wanted to shut down / massively reform the CIA, and ultimately JFK fired Dulles.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 04:59 PM (uCjyK)

111 I think this about the JFK docs. The docs have been held by the CIA for over 60 years with no oversight. It seems unlikely to me that they would have kept any documents that said "yep the CIA totally killed Kennedy ."

Posted by: blaster at February 11, 2025 05:00 PM (QfvaV)

112 I think it's all a henway.
Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 04:58 PM

How much is a henway?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 11, 2025 05:00 PM (a3Q+t)

113 To add to what Ace wrote about conspiracy theories.

There is a whole industry of people writing books and rehashing this stuff. They have a heavy incentive to create "controversy" for simple things. Sometimes their whole book is based on stuff that is easily explained away if you understand anything about investigative or legal procedure, or human nature. But the incentives are all on the side of finding problems.

Posted by: Gentlemen, Please, please, it's too much winning! at February 11, 2025 05:00 PM (TI7sk)

114 >>I never understood how a marine could get to Russia, renounce his citizenship, take a russian bride and then get back to the US and and get repatriated back into society during the coldest of cold wars. It just doesn't make sense to me.

It was going on in both directions. Spy v Spy is only possible if you allow a steady flow of 'defectors' and 'students' to flow between countries.

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2025 05:00 PM (oa1NA)

115 Anyway, as to why there's still info classified...

A lot of shady stuff regarding Oswald is related to Mexico and the complicity the Mexican government had with bending over backwards for the CIA. That would be embarrassing.

Second is the revelation that a secret cabal performed a coup and people when along with it and benefited it would call into question the legitimacy of the US Government for the past 70 years. Rightly so.

Third is just the reflex of spooks to lie and hide information. It is power and they don't cede that lightly.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at February 11, 2025 05:00 PM (xcxpd)

116 Stonehenge?

Episode Circle of Blood with Tom Bakker. Script IIRC was by Douglas Adams or he was editor.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2025 05:00 PM (fvLXw)

117 "They got you, too, eh?" - Oswald to Epstein

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 11, 2025 05:00 PM (KbCG3)

118 I got tired of it. Too dark for a show for kids. It was this weird class that didn't really work. I dunno. Never cared about rediscovering it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, watching B-movies with Roger Corman at February 11, 2025 04:59 PM (GBKbO)

I wouldn't mind rewatching some of it, but it is all pay for on Prime and I have never wanted to ante up. The girl doctor stuff is free. Go figure.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2025 05:00 PM (bss/y)

119 I would just like to state that i have never heard of either a "book repository" or a "grassy knoll" in any context other than this one.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 11, 2025 05:01 PM (jKo6M)

120 I had the Soviets/Castro as my #1, but now have Allen Dulles / CIA as my #1. Based on probabilty. Lone wolf Oswald is my #3.

That's dumb. Sovs had no reason to generate a nuclear war by shooting him. He was thrashing around their patsy in the Caribbean which affects their long term interests not at all.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:01 PM (n7h9X)

121 Here's my speaking-from-my-own-buttocks, impeccably sourced take:
Oswald was a lone wolf, but all the three letter agencies assumed that he was a rogue operative from somewhere, so covered their tracks. On the off chance some idiot said something dumb to someone they should not have. There was nothing to cover up but they covered it up anyway.
That's the DC I've seen over my lifespan.

Posted by: gKWVE at February 11, 2025 05:01 PM (gKWVE)

122 What do you think?
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I'm not saying it's aliens...
Posted by: Axeman

Ming the Merciless?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at February 11, 2025 05:01 PM (L/fGl)

123 The thing about Ruby is that he died of lung cancer four years after killing Oswald.

Would he have given up hope of surviving that long in advance of his death?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:01 PM (YqDXo)

124 Ace, so far all the anti fed conspiracy theories have been proved true; so it's likely that all yoir theories will be too

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at February 11, 2025 05:01 PM (7gFa4)

125 >>But who is most famous for killing an elephant with LSD.

Which is just a waste of good LSD.

Posted by: Zombie Edison at February 11, 2025 05:01 PM (oa1NA)

126 > Oswald was part of a team of assassins the CIA hired to kill Kennedy, and was the only one caught. (Or the designated "patsy.")

The slight variant on this one that gets my goat is when they claim Oswald wasn't the shooter because reasons.

1. Pristine bullet - this one is asinine. The pristine bullet is only pristine from one camera angle. From others, it's squished and bent like a banana.

2. The shot was impossibly hard - also asinine. It was less than 100 yards on a slow moving target from a steep angle. Oswald got three easy shots at Kennedy's massive pumpkin head and managed to get one kill shot.

3. The magic bullet theory. This one is built on a fundamental misunderstanding of where everyone was sitting and their posture.

Posted by: bonhomme at February 11, 2025 05:02 PM (Odg76)

127 Capaldi era had some really bad scripts. And then he was stealing Jon Pertwee's wardrobe.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2025 05:02 PM (fvLXw)

128 So jim in Kalifornia said...
"During Wilson's admin, they allowed his wife to act as President. "

And Biden responded by letting his crackhead of a son give the orders from July through January.

Posted by: Ronald Kornblow at February 11, 2025 05:02 PM (pXRYM)

129 Eccelston to Tenent to Smith is the best arc of Dr. Who.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 11, 2025 05:02 PM (XV/Pl)

130 Kennedy and his brother both went after the mob and the CIA.

Both were shot to death.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 11, 2025 05:02 PM (lTGtQ)

131 I say there were multiple assassination teams, from multiple organizations, with no coordination between them, that day.
Mafia? CIA? Cubans? FBI? Freelancers? An angry ex-husband of Marilyn? All of the above?
Oswald shooting first disrupted everybody's well-laid plans. The resulting scramble to get clear just added to the confusion.
Maybe one of them got a shot off, maybe they didn't.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at February 11, 2025 05:02 PM (9d6r+)

132 Not knowledgeable about clinical chemistry, but is it possible to do all of the relevant studies on coagulated blood? If not, then adding an anti-coagulant to samples makes perfect sense, and does not by itself indicate any malfeasance.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 04:56 PM (YqDXo)

As I understood it, perhaps wrongly, the anti-coagulant was not used or of the type not used prior to testing. I attended a forensics seminar, and the presenter was adamant its presence should have raised reasonable doubt although it seemed at worst a mundane error.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 11, 2025 05:02 PM (CaELB)

133 Ruby killed Oswald as instructed and was then murdered via injection of cancerous cells by a CIA doctor. That last part is not an exaggeration

Dr. Jolly West! Who I believe also treated both John Hinkley AND Marc Chapman!

But who is most famous for killing an elephant with LSD.
Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at February 11, 2025 04:59 PM (asXVI)

That's the man. Involved with MK Ultra IIRC. Jolly West was a real asshole.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at February 11, 2025 05:02 PM (xcxpd)

134 Noted conservative Nick Searcy did a show called 11.22.63 on this.

Was interesting. Think it's on Netflix.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at February 11, 2025 05:02 PM (KbCG3)

135 >>>"The FBI is finally saying, 'Let's respond to the president's order,' instead of keeping the secrecy going," Morley said.
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I'll believe that when I see it.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at February 11, 2025 05:02 PM (xd2xI)

136 I'm certain of this:

In 1963 the forensics capabilities of the FBI and LE were nowhere near what your local Po-Po has today.

So... maybe, just maybe, the "facts" as presented for all these years have some margin of error.

Whether that "error" was intentional, manufactured or just the way it was is certainly debatable, but it also sheds some light on why there are so many different theories about JFK's assassination.

That being said... the same entities tried (multiple times) to assassinate Trump. So....

YMMV

Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 11, 2025 05:03 PM (Q4IgG)

137 Looks like 2,400 records, Ace. Not pages. Apparently these records comprise 14,000 pages. That’s a lot of shit to go “missing,” ya knows?

Posted by: Elric Blade at February 11, 2025 05:03 PM (e5R16)

138 I believe in either #4 or #3.

I could see maybe the CIA playing around with someone dangerous and then being scared at their association.

There was a good book about how the CIA very likely had an association with Charles Manson. Not that they had him become a cult leader, but that they had medical experiments on him. Similar to MK Ultra (which made the Una bomber)

If the CIA wanted JFK dead, they wouldn't have hired a loser like Oswald with a $20 surplus pawn shop rifle. You get one shot at the king.

Posted by: Leupold at February 11, 2025 05:03 PM (4pwAx)

139 116 Stonehenge?

Episode Circle of Blood with Tom Bakker. Script IIRC was by Douglas Adams or he was editor.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2025 05:00 PM (fvLXw)

Uh, the season ending episodes. *looks it up* 'The Pandorica Opens'. Romans are involved. It struck a chord.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2025 05:03 PM (bss/y)

140 If the CIA and FBI collaborated, there wouldn't be an approval from anyone.

Posted by: Indy Bill at February 11, 2025 05:03 PM (t5hMG)

141 Anybody hear that Gov. Shapiro had a role in the Butler PA attempt on Trump's life?

Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 05:03 PM (krQz2)

142 >>>127 Capaldi era had some really bad scripts. And then he was stealing Jon Pertwee's wardrobe.

they blew off the chance to cast Sean Pertwee as his father and bring back the third doctor.

Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:03 PM (KRtlO)

143 At most, questionable connections between CIA and Oswold/Ruby, which would have lead to greater scrutiny of CIA ops.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at February 11, 2025 05:03 PM (wcWop)

144 The pristine bullet is only pristine from one camera angle. From others, it's squished and bent like a banana.
Posted by: bonhomme at February 11, 2025 05:02 PM

I'm right here, you know.

Posted by: Wm. J. "Bubba" Clinton at February 11, 2025 05:03 PM (a3Q+t)

145 . J. Edgar Hoover was a cross-dresser.

Posted by: Tonypete

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I never could figure if this was true, or if it was just bullshit made up to discredit him.

Posted by: Gentlemen, Please, please, it's too much winning! at February 11, 2025 05:03 PM (TI7sk)

146 Washout had JFK assassination conspiracy all figured but unfortunately he died in a plane crash in 1992.

Posted by: mishdog at February 11, 2025 05:03 PM (4PSdP)

147 I think this about the JFK docs. The docs have been held by the CIA for over 60 years with no oversight. It seems unlikely to me that they would have kept any documents that said "yep the CIA totally killed Kennedy ."

Posted by: blaster at February 11, 2025 05:00 PM (QfvaV)

They probably have to ruffle through them to remove papers added to the boxes saying just that.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:03 PM (n7h9X)

148 I've said in another thread:

Last season of Capaldi: Doctor Who was gasping for breath.

Jodie Whittaker: Doctor Who lapses into a coma.

Contrived return of David Tennant: Doctor Who shows some spontaneous eye movement.

That shitty crap guy now: Doctor Who's DNR is honored.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at February 11, 2025 05:03 PM (M6Sd8)

149 Since RFK was whacked, I'm going with all of the above as being true.

Posted by: BifBewalski at February 11, 2025 05:04 PM (MsrgL)

150 This is coming out after 60 years right at the moment RFKJ is set to be confirmed?????

Posted by: Elric Blade at February 11, 2025 05:04 PM (e5R16)

151 >>There is a whole industry of people writing books and rehashing this stuff. They have a heavy incentive to create "controversy" for simple things. Sometimes their whole book is based on stuff that is easily explained away if you understand anything about investigative or legal procedure, or human nature. But the incentives are all on the side of finding problems.

I don't know what happened that day, none of us do. But keeping all of the files secret for 60 years makes me think we aren't being told the entire story.

Call me crazy but I don't trust our government farther than I can throw a 747.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2025 05:04 PM (LkLld)

152 My guess is that a lot of the inconsistencies and odd happenings generally were just government screw-ups, in which have great faith.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:04 PM (YqDXo)

153 Roger Stone has a book on the Kennedy assassination that says LBJ did it. He does have a it of items that are highly suggestive of the idea that LBJ was behind it. But it also traffics in lot of salacious gossip. And also throws in a conspiracy theory of LBJ and Nixon stealing billions of dollars of gold left behind by Conquistadors in New Mexico.

It's entertaining at least.

Posted by: blaster at February 11, 2025 05:04 PM (QfvaV)

154 127 Capaldi era had some really bad scripts. And then he was stealing Jon Pertwee's wardrobe.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2025 05:02 PM (fvLXw)

Which is just tragic considering how much Capaldi wanted to play the doctor.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2025 05:04 PM (bss/y)

155 >>If the CIA wanted JFK dead, they wouldn't have hired a loser like Oswald with a $20 surplus pawn shop rifle. You get one shot at the king.

That doesn't address the Miami and Chicago plots to kill Kennedy.

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2025 05:04 PM (oa1NA)

156 Eh, I watched all the Tom Baker and Peter Davidson episodes. Lost interest after Davidson left.

That was a very long time ago. Don't think I'd want to revisit now.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at February 11, 2025 05:04 PM (LxER7)

157 I think Oswald was a CIA assets handled by George Bush Sr., was designated the patsy, and then murdered before he could disclose anything.

Posted by: Redbanzai at February 11, 2025 05:04 PM (BBOvB)

158 An oldy but a goody.

Electric Jack Ruby

https://youtu.be/5aDFCuPKh2k

Posted by: pawn at February 11, 2025 05:04 PM (QB+5g)

159
Mafia? CIA? Cubans? FBI? Freelancers? An angry ex-husband of Marilyn? All of the above?

The Rosicrucians.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 11, 2025 05:04 PM (dxSpM)

160 Uh, the season ending episodes. *looks it up* 'The Pandorica Opens'. Romans are involved. It struck a chord.

I remember that one. Amy Pond's husband got turned into a plastic Roman soldier doll.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2025 05:04 PM (fvLXw)

161 What do you think?

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I think the Mafia was involved because of Cuba (after Castro shut down their gambling operations) and the failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion as well as Kennedy's promise to never invade Cuba if the Soviets removed their missiles.

I believe that Jack Ruby was mobbed-up and affiliated with New Orleans "Godfather" Carlos Marcello.

And remember, the CIA recruited The Mob numerous times to assassinate Castro. And the mob wasn't happy with RFK J coming after them via investigations and Congressional hearings -- especially after they helped JFK win the Presidency by stealing Chicago for him from Nixon.

[It still boggles the mind that JFK shared the same mistress as Chicago mob boss Sam Giancana]

Posted by: ShainS -- It's A Sorry State of Affairs When It's The Judges Who Need Hanging at February 11, 2025 05:05 PM (u95ui)

162 >>This is coming out after 60 years right at the moment RFKJ is set to be confirmed?????

Trump ran on it. This, the RFK files, the MLK files, the Epstein client list and more.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2025 05:05 PM (LkLld)

163 Just adding to the conspiracy.

Do you remember the note that was passed around at Bush Sr.'s funeral? Maybe it said we know about JFK. lol.

Posted by: spypeach at February 11, 2025 05:05 PM (UuB/1)

164
The only innocent person shot that day was Officer Tippett.

Posted by: Frank Barone at February 11, 2025 05:05 PM (+oR7L)

165 >>>96 I'm going with a Strozk & Paige (sp?) - type conspiracy in which a few bad actors in CIA cashed in their insurance policy and no one else was aware, certainly not the entire govt...

so they Just Got Lucky and the government just chose to cover up the conspiracy?

See my problem? If they didn't arrange the cover-up -- then they just got completely lucky and the government decided to cover it all up for its own independent reasons?

"No one gets that lucky" say the cops when a hated ex-wife is killed "by a mugger."

Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:05 PM (KRtlO)

166 Actually, all seasons are pay to watch on prime now.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2025 05:06 PM (bss/y)

167 47 >>>I'm confident Sirhan Sirhan didn't shoot RFK, though he tried.

why is that? I've never, ever understood this conspiracy theory. It's on film, isn't it?

Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 04:53 PM (KRtlO)

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Part of the problem with Sirhan killing RFK is that there were powder burns on Kennedy and/or clothing. Sirhan wasn't within 6' of Kennedy when he was shot. Most likely shooter was a just hired "busboy" at the hotel named Romero.

Posted by: Ronald Kornblow at February 11, 2025 05:06 PM (pXRYM)

168 They found the records behind the lost ark.

Posted by: Allen at February 11, 2025 05:06 PM (bdkX3)

169 > I never understood how a marine could get to Russia, renounce his citizenship, take a russian bride and then get back to the US and and get repatriated back into society during the coldest of cold wars. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Easy-peasy. Russia was trying to use him, so they let him come over, marry a Russian, and get a house. But they soon decided he was an unreliable nutbar. So they let him go. The US was also trying to use him. They wanted to get intel from him because he was in Russia and he had contact with their intel services. But he was an unreliable nutbar so that backfired.

Posted by: bonhomme at February 11, 2025 05:06 PM (Odg76)

170 Which is just tragic considering how much Capaldi wanted to play the doctor.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2025 05:04 PM (bss/y)
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Speaking of dark, he's in a show on Amazon Prime called The Devil's Hour.

I enjoyed the first season, and what I've seen of the current one.

Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 05:06 PM (krQz2)

171 I think it was Jill and her pet SS head that did most of the work. FBI provided the shooter. Jill did the speech to pull the real SS away.

Note that very soon after that the Dems suddenly were trying to ditch Jill and Biden

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:06 PM (n7h9X)

172 I never could figure if this was true, or if it was just bullshit made up to discredit him.

Posted by: Gentlemen, Please, please, it's too much winning! at February 11, 2025 05:03 PM (TI7sk)
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I've read (I think in one of Harvey Klehr's books on the Soviets) that the KGB ginned up that story, and planted it in an Indian (dot) newspaper, knowing it would be picked up and would look more plausible than putting it in a more prominent place.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:07 PM (YqDXo)

173 119 I would just like to state that i have never heard of either a "book repository" or a "grassy knoll" in any context other than this one.
Posted by: Warai-otoko

I'm pretty sure Grassy Gnolls are listed in Volo's Guide to Monsters.

Posted by: NEEEEERDDDSS at February 11, 2025 05:07 PM (ycI94)

174 Jeez. It's $51 for the season 5 bluray.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2025 05:07 PM (bss/y)

175 >>>I think the Mafia was involved because of Cuba (after Castro shut down their gambling operations) and the failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion as well as Kennedy's promise to never invade Cuba if the Soviets removed their missiles.
I believe that Jack Ruby was mobbed-up and affiliated with New Orleans "Godfather" Carlos Marcello.

I think we read the same book. I think this is Garrison's pet theory.

My problem is, as I've said a couple of times: How did the mob know that the LBJ and RFK would then cover up their role?

Did they just get lucky?

Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:07 PM (KRtlO)

176
Everyone associated with this killing is dead and gone.

So...why the cover up?

This is why I'll always believe that there is a there there.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer

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That's what moves me from 4 to 3, but maybe the "there" is merely some up-fuckery that embarrasses LE or Intel.

One more thing: somehow, "Everyone associated with this killing" supposedly includes Caroline Kennedy. As of now, the records can be released 50 years after her death. What, do they mention her father's whoring around? She already knows that.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at February 11, 2025 05:07 PM (T3es0)

177 Delaying tactic. The new 2400 pages are redacted and of no value. Bank it.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at February 11, 2025 05:07 PM (/U5Yz)

178 I think at a minimum the FBI had Oswald "on their radar" and that alone is incentive to cover it up as it made them look like the incompetents that they are.

Possibly they were forewarned but were drunk and had planned to meet up with hookers so they blew it off.

Posted by: Gentlemen, Please, please, it's too much winning! at February 11, 2025 05:07 PM (TI7sk)

179 I know a rather cynical person who said the only thing that bothered him about the JFK shooting is that it wasn't done after due process.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at February 11, 2025 05:07 PM (M6Sd8)

180 They found the records behind the lost ark.
Posted by: Allen at February 11, 2025 05:06 PM (bdkX3)
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They just hadn't put top men on it yet.

Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 05:07 PM (krQz2)

181 Klehr also said the KGB was laughing its collective ass when the story took wing.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:07 PM (YqDXo)

182 To me, this feels like the usual FBI stall tactic. They'll string out the release of the "new find." They'll redact the ever living hell out of it, requiring further steps to remove the redaction. And, it's likely window dressing information that has nothing to do with anything.

String it out four years....they're golden. I get the impression that no one is concerned about any revelations or malfeasance. It's more of a power move. "Look what I can do...and you are powerless to demand anything from me."

Posted by: Orson at February 11, 2025 05:07 PM (dIske)

183 1. Pristine bullet - this one is asinine. The pristine bullet is only pristine from one camera angle. From others, it's squished and bent like a banana.

2. The shot was impossibly hard - also asinine. It was less than 100 yards on a slow moving target from a steep angle. Oswald got three easy shots at Kennedy's massive pumpkin head and managed to get one kill shot.

3. The magic bullet theory. This one is built on a fundamental misunderstanding of where everyone was sitting and their posture.
Posted by: bonhomme at February 11, 2025 05:02 PM (Odg76)

1. Look up the picture yourself, the bullet is in pretttty good shape for a bullet that passed through two bodies and hit multiple bones.

2. Yes, the shot was possible, although he would have been shooting through a tree for the final shot.

3. No, we know where everyone was sitting and that Kennedy was sitting 10 inches elevated from the Governor. Even then, the trajectory makes no sense.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:07 PM (uCjyK)

184 After having worked for the goverment myself, I can attest that the government is too damned dumb to pull of anything like those conspiracies. One, two, maybe even a dozen individuals, but no grand conspiracy. Nobody could keep their mouths shut, certainly not for that long.

Posted by: tcn in AK at February 11, 2025 05:07 PM (PZDcD)

185 The inadvertent discharge of the brand new fielded Colt M16-like rifle by a secret service agent ranks high on the list. The series of B/W AP photos by Altgens shows him clearly.

It seems improbable, but it answers a LOT of questions about actions taken later that day, and the following weekend.

Posted by: Common Tater at February 11, 2025 05:07 PM (QPjUO)

186 If the UK and US governments have been funding the BBC

Why are these DVDs costing money? We already paid for them.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2025 05:08 PM (fvLXw)

187 Part of the problem with Sirhan killing RFK is that there were powder burns on Kennedy and/or clothing. Sirhan wasn't within 6' of Kennedy when he was shot. Most likely shooter was a just hired "busboy" at the hotel named Romero.
Posted by: Ronald Kornblow at February 11, 2025 05:06 PM (pXRYM)

and there was a second unrelated assassin 10 foot away? ya, gotcha.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:08 PM (n7h9X)

188 I remember that one. Amy Pond's husband got turned into a plastic Roman soldier doll.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2025 05:04 PM (fvLXw)

That's the one. Legs was a good character. Nose grew on you. But they did not really give him much to do.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2025 05:08 PM (bss/y)

189 Maybe ask Dorothy Kilgallen ?

Posted by: Crouching Chigger at February 11, 2025 05:08 PM (469jd)

190 #1 possibility. Oswald was an asset of Cross-dresser J Edgar Hoover and bureau. Hoover hated the Kennedy’s and had both of them murdered for alleged malfeasance and inventive treason.

Posted by: Truthbomb at February 11, 2025 05:08 PM (XNd56)

191 The Lost Ark of Game of Thrones Season 8?

Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 05:08 PM (krQz2)

192 178 I think at a minimum the FBI had Oswald "on their radar" and that alone is incentive to cover it up as it made them look like the incompetents that they are.

Possibly they were forewarned but were drunk and had planned to meet up with hookers so they blew it off.
Posted by: Gentlemen, Please, please, it's too much winning! at February 11, 2025 05:07 PM (TI7sk)

Obviously he was on their radar.

They admit to having met with him a few times.

He had defected from the country to the USSR and told the US Ambassador he was planning on sharing classified information about the U2 bomber with the Soviets. Then he somehow undefected. It would be hard to believe that he wasn't on EVERYONE's radar.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:08 PM (uCjyK)

193 If the UK and US governments have been funding the BBC

Why are these DVDs costing money? We already paid for them.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2025 05:08 PM (fvLXw)

The funding is to keep them in England.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:09 PM (n7h9X)

194
LBJ had people killed while he was a politician in Texas. It makes sense that LBJ could control most of everything if he was killed in Texas. The CIA could have had Kennedy killed in DC.

Posted by: Frank Barone at February 11, 2025 05:09 PM (+oR7L)

195 so here's my favorite joke I ever told.

During Obama's term, I went to a BlogCon in Dallas. Obviously I went to Dealy Plaza (it's so tiny, which doesn't come across on TV; it makes it hard to believe gunmen were behind the fence but weren't seen by anyone).

And I went to the Sniper's Nest. Well, the fake Sniper's Nest. The real Sniper's Nest is on the 6th floor, but they made the 5th floor look just like Oswald's (alleged) Sniper's Nest.

After I saw it, someone asked me how it was.

"Inspiring," I said, breathlessly.

Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:09 PM (KRtlO)

196 >>Maybe ask Dorothy Kilgallen ?

Lever Dorothy Alone!!

Posted by: Ruth Payne at February 11, 2025 05:09 PM (oa1NA)

197 When assessing any government action, the most stupid and retarded and incompetent set of circumstances is typically the correct answer.

Posted by: Weasel at February 11, 2025 05:09 PM (iu4Pw)

198 I fell for all the conspiracy nonsense when the movie JFK came out. Unfortunately for my young self,

1. Oswald wanted to be famous. He tried to kill Walker, but his shot hit the center window frame and was deflected.

2. His routine was entirely different the day of the shooting (It was the first time he visited where his wife was staying not on a weekend; he left money and his wedding ring)

3. Ruby telegrams some money and that times it to when Oswald is being led out. No way to time that beforehand.

Posted by: Chuck C at February 11, 2025 05:09 PM (D0HYP)

199 It was all set up by tough-talking bunnies from Brooklyn.

They can talk anybody into anything.

Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 05:09 PM (krQz2)

200 LBJ was evil...
RFK - probably a lightweight in mourning who was easy to confuse...and maybe when he started to figure things out, he got taken out, too...

Posted by: Nova Local at February 11, 2025 05:10 PM (exHjb)

201 and there was a second unrelated assassin 10 foot away? ya, gotcha.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:08 PM (n7h9X)

The security guard who escorted RFK through the kitchen (not the route that was planned) was the one who shot RFK (at least according to RFK Jr.). The guy was a known CIA asset.

Sirhan was likely MKUltra'ed and RFK Jr. at least truly believes Sirhan has no memory of what happened. He was the patsy / diversion.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:10 PM (uCjyK)

202 #1 possibility. Oswald was an asset of Cross-dresser J Edgar Hoover and bureau. Hoover hated the Kennedy’s and had both of them murdered for alleged malfeasance and inventive treason.
Posted by: Truthbomb at February 11, 2025 05:08 PM (XNd56)

If the FBI did it, then the CIA didn't do it.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:10 PM (n7h9X)

203 CIA involved one way or another

Posted by: It's me donna at February 11, 2025 05:10 PM (VE6XX)

204 [It still boggles the mind that JFK shared the same mistress as Chicago mob boss Sam Giancana]

Posted by: ShainS -- It's A Sorry State of Affairs When It's The Judges Who Need Hanging at February 11, 2025 05:05 PM (u95ui)
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That alone could have gotten him whacked.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:10 PM (YqDXo)

205 158 An oldy but a goody.

Electric Jack Ruby

https://youtu.be/5aDFCuPKh2k
Posted by: pawn

You think that's old, try this:
The Professor Brothers video on JFK: https://tinyurl.com/4j83wmru

Posted by: NEEEEERDDDSS at February 11, 2025 05:10 PM (ycI94)

206 would just like to state that i have never heard of either a "book repository" or a "grassy knoll" in any context other than this one.
Posted by: Warai-otoko

I'm pretty sure Grassy Gnolls are listed in Volo's Guide to Monsters.
Posted by: NEEEEERDDDSS at February 11, 2025 05:07 PM (ycI94)
————

‘Grassy? Nah. Gassy, maybe. They best be after they eat all their enemies!”

— Yeenoghu

Posted by: Elric Blade at February 11, 2025 05:10 PM (e5R16)

207 >> My problem is, as I've said a couple of times: How did the mob know that the LBJ and RFK would then cover up their role?

Because the mafia was running this op with Hoover.

Posted by: Truthbomb at February 11, 2025 05:10 PM (XNd56)

208
Lee Harvey Oswald's co-conspirators were Amelia Earhardt and the Lindbergh Baby.

The receipts are out there.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM), imprison, imprison, imprison! To at February 11, 2025 05:10 PM (xG4kz)

209 178 I think at a minimum the FBI had Oswald "on their radar" and that alone is incentive to cover it up as it made them look like the incompetents that they are.

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Cue the Bart Simpson class cheering.

Posted by: Just Lily at February 11, 2025 05:11 PM (alugg)

210 Old Joe Kennedy was with The Mob. The CIA worked at times with The Mob. JFK and RFK secured the 1960 Dem nom via The Mob. JFK and RFK then went after The Mob. The Mob and the CIA killed JFK and RFK. That's my crackpot theory and I'm sticking to it.

Posted by: davidt at February 11, 2025 05:11 PM (i0F8b)

211 I think it was Jackie with a lap gun. She was sick of his
adulterous escapades.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at February 11, 2025 05:11 PM (/U5Yz)

212 How much is a henway?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 11, 2025 05:00 PM (a3Q+t)

$20, same as in town.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at February 11, 2025 05:11 PM (wcWop)

213 5. The Posner thesis. Oswald acted alone, and was shooting at John Connolly, at whom he had a grudge, and not at JFK, whom he didn't. He really was anvunexceptional shot shooting an unreliable weapon. Jack just happened to be in the wrong place at the right time.
Closest to Occam, but definitely less dramatic than the star-chamber conspiracies.

Posted by: BuddyPC at February 11, 2025 05:11 PM (lOpaj)

214 I wonder if this include Congress critters.

Nick Sortor
@nicksortor
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🚨 #BREAKING: Elon Musk just announced in the Oval Office DOGE is investigating federal employees with high net worth despite low pay

Many, MANY corrupt feds are sweating right now!

Posted by: WisRich at February 11, 2025 05:11 PM (G0vdT)

215 Oliver Stone taught me it was a bunch of right wing queers.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at February 11, 2025 05:11 PM (GD2xa)

216 Q: How do we know the CIA wasn't involved in the JFK assassination?

A: He's dead, isn't he?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState

https://is.gd/TNi3Lb⁸

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at February 11, 2025 05:11 PM (L/fGl)

217 and there was a second unrelated assassin 10 foot away? ya, gotcha.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:08 PM (n7h9X)

The security guard who escorted RFK through the kitchen (not the route that was planned) was the one who shot RFK (at least according to RFK Jr.). The guy was a known CIA asset.

Sirhan was likely MKUltra'ed and RFK Jr. at least truly believes Sirhan has no memory of what happened. He was the patsy / diversion.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:10 PM (uCjyK)

yeah, no way you'd lie about something like that

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:11 PM (n7h9X)

218 If you really, really like wacky theories watch "JFK X". Another 60+ minutes I will never get back. They should have labeled this movie a parody documentary.

Anyway, the theory is that JFK wanted to out of the presidency to run off with a mistress. Jackie O was in on it and the Zapruder film shows Jackie O pulling the string on a "squib" [a Hollywood stunt device] that made it look like JFK was shot. While out of camera range, they switched JFK's body with someone else. JFK hid in the trunk and "went somewhere." Goofy way to stage a death.

It was one of the stupidest things I have ever sat through. And I go to school board meetings.

Posted by: Mr. Barky at February 11, 2025 05:11 PM (H68uY)

219 180 They found the records behind the lost ark.
Posted by: Allen at February 11, 2025 05:06 PM (bdkX3)
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They just hadn't put top men on it yet.
Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 05:07 PM (krQz2)

They searched Biden's garage again...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 11, 2025 05:11 PM (QAkQ3)

220 I've stood in the window of the Texas Book Repository where Oswald shot from. A 12 year old could have made that shot.

There's nothing you can't make a conspiracy out of, given enough motivation.

Posted by: Disillusionist at February 11, 2025 05:12 PM (desXV)

221 I've read (I think in one of Harvey Klehr's books on the Soviets) that the KGB ginned up that story, and planted it in an Indian (dot) newspaper, knowing it would be picked up and would look more plausible than putting it in a more prominent place.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

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The problem is that maybe the FBI ginned up the story of the KGB planting the story....

(The Russians did like planting stuff in Indian papers. They did that during covid as well to claim the lab leak was actually in USA that started it all. and not Wuhan, as well as many crazy things.)

Posted by: Gentlemen, Please, please, it's too much winning! at February 11, 2025 05:12 PM (TI7sk)

222 Dammit, the FBI looked in the basement!

Posted by: Bill Clinton at February 11, 2025 05:12 PM (tT6L1)

223 If you want background on JFK's killing and I mean LOTS of background, you've got to watch a writer named Mark Groubert on "America's Untold Stories" on youtube.

Mark's been researching the murder since the early '90s (in addition to being a writer and producer) and he does a 90-minute show each week on one aspect or player in the assassination. There's 4 or 5 on LBJ, he just did one on Marina Oswald. Very interesting guy.

He's also done over a dozen on the (CIA?) coup that took down RMN (a/k/a Watergate) and it's amazing how many people in Watergate were also in the JFK killing.

Posted by: Ronald Kornblow at February 11, 2025 05:12 PM (pXRYM)

224 I don’t think the CIA was actually running the op. I think the bureau ran it and used an unwitting yet ultimately willing CIA to run cover.

Posted by: Truthbomb at February 11, 2025 05:12 PM (XNd56)

225 >>>The Posner thesis. Oswald acted alone, and was shooting at John Connolly, at whom he had a grudge, and not at JFK, whom he didn't. He really was anvunexceptional shot shooting an unreliable weapon. Jack just happened to be in the wrong place at the right time.
Closest to Occam, but definitely less dramatic than the star-chamber conspiracies.

ugh, what a terrible plan. There are so many opportunities to shoot a governor, why wait until he's surrounded by Secret Service agents?

Mind you, it turned out they were entirely ineffectual. But how would he know that ahead of time?

Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:12 PM (KRtlO)

226 >> Not that they had him become a cult leader, but that they had medical experiments on him.

Yeah, that was Jim Jones.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at February 11, 2025 05:13 PM (asXVI)

227 During Obama's term, I went to a BlogCon in Dallas. Obviously I went to Dealy Plaza (it's so tiny, which doesn't come across on TV; it makes it hard to believe gunmen were behind the fence but weren't seen by anyone).
__________________

My reaction exactly. Also, I thought the shot looked much more plausible when I found out that Kennedy's limo was traveling at walking pace at the time.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:13 PM (YqDXo)

228 >>The Posner thesis. Oswald acted alone, and was shooting at John Connolly, at whom he had a grudge, and not at JFK, whom he didn't. He really was anvunexceptional shot shooting an unreliable weapon. Jack just happened to be in the wrong place at the right time.
Closest to Occam, but definitely less dramatic than the star-chamber conspiracies.

This would be awesome if it wasn't for the Janitor eating lunch in the 'Sniper's Nest' and Oswald being ID'd by an eyewitness on a different floor.

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2025 05:13 PM (oa1NA)

229 "What do you think?"

I seems like the last 8 years never happened. You still trust these people. Next.

Posted by: puhleaze at February 11, 2025 05:13 PM (bbuBP)

230 Almost all the JFK conspiracy theories were started or encouraged by the LEFT, to muddle or cast doubt on the self-evident fact that a popular president was assassinated by a COMMUNIST.

THe REAL "conspiracy: here is the creation of the conspriacy theories themselves, and the patsies are the dumb right-winger rubes who were led astray by the very people who inspired th assassination in the first place.

Think about it, people -- THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE.

And the truth is:

Commies killed JFK because he was unexpectedly too strong as a Cold Warrior. Then commies tried to hide their responsibility by spreading ludicrous theories blaming everyone EXCEPT commies. Then naive rednecks were duped by the LEft's lies, and did the left's work for them.

Posted by: zombie at February 11, 2025 05:13 PM (pMi6S)

231 Back, and to the left.

Posted by: toddg at February 11, 2025 05:13 PM (dg2su)

232 If the FBI did it, then the CIA didn't do it.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:10 PM (n7h9X)

Regardless of who shot JFK -- some members of the FBI would have had to be part of the cover up.

Or at least, strategically looked the other way.

I don't think that would be hard for Allen Dulles to pull off, he had a lot of assets in the FBI. He and Hoover were involved in a massive power struggle for over a decade.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:13 PM (uCjyK)

233
I remember an episode of Quantum Leap where he thought he was sent there to save JFK, but really he was sent to save Jackie.

Interesting episode.

Posted by: Frank Barone at February 11, 2025 05:13 PM (+oR7L)

234 Maybe the CIA had a special monkey slipped into Jim Jones travelling salesman days...

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2025 05:13 PM (fvLXw)

235 While out of camera range, they switched JFK's body with someone else. JFK hid in the trunk and "went somewhere." Goofy way to stage a death.

It was one of the stupidest things I have ever sat through. And I go to school board meetings.
Posted by: Mr. Barky at February 11, 2025 05:11 PM (H68uY)

Yeah.... thank you verrry much... he's really hanging out with us... just takin care of business...

Posted by: Elvis in Bubba Ho Tep at February 11, 2025 05:13 PM (QAkQ3)

236 The Posner thesis. Oswald acted alone, and was shooting at John Connolly, at whom he had a grudge, and not at JFK, whom he didn't. He really was anvunexceptional shot shooting an unreliable weapon. Jack just happened to be in the wrong place at the right time.
Closest to Occam, but definitely less dramatic than the star-chamber conspiracies.
Posted by: BuddyPC at February 11, 2025 05:11 PM (lOpaj)

Odd to pick a time where there was tons of extra security and in a (slowly) moving car rather than just go to the governor's mansion or home.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:13 PM (n7h9X)

237 They found the records behind the lost ark.
Posted by: Allen at February 11, 2025 05:06 PM (bdkX3)
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They just hadn't put top men on it yet.
Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 05:07 PM (krQz2)

They searched Biden's garage again...
Posted by: Romeo13 at February 11, 2025 05:11 PM (QAkQ3)
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Somebody backed the 'vette out.

Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 05:14 PM (krQz2)

238 I have no idea what happened. The only interesting thing that's come out in the last forty years about the JFK assassination is the picture of Bill Paxton as an eight year old sitting on someone's shoulders in the crowd as Kennedy comes out of his dali hospital minutes before the shooting

Posted by: Smell the Glove at February 11, 2025 05:14 PM (KXtU1)

239 Well, does it look like a CIA job that they were doing elsewhere? I believe the one guy's claim (of the 3 hobos) that many other hit men were called in to Dallas that day to muddy the waters.

Definitely an inside job.

Posted by: Ette from TX at February 11, 2025 05:14 PM (SNf74)

240 218 If you really, really like wacky theories watch "JFK X". Another 60+ minutes I will never get back. They should have labeled this movie a parody documentary.

Anyway, the theory is that JFK wanted to out of the presidency to run off with a mistress. Jackie O was in on it and the Zapruder film shows Jackie O pulling the string on a "squib" [a Hollywood stunt device] that made it look like JFK was shot. While out of camera range, they switched JFK's body with someone else. JFK hid in the trunk and "went somewhere." Goofy way to stage a death.

It was one of the stupidest things I have ever sat through. And I go to school board meetings.
Posted by: Mr. Barky at February 11, 2025 05:11 PM (H68uY)

This is plausible. The "went somewhere" part happened after JFK had his skin dyed darker (so he looks like Ossie Davis) and LBJ dropped him off at The Shady Rest Retirement Home in East Texas.

Posted by: Thrawn at February 11, 2025 05:14 PM (9Ovst)

241 >>I've stood in the window of the Texas Book Repository where Oswald shot from. A 12 year old could have made that shot.

Only if you are there, though.

It's a really hard shot from the break room 2-3 floors down.

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2025 05:14 PM (oa1NA)

242 Suck my Grassy Knoll.

Posted by: zombie at February 11, 2025 05:14 PM (pMi6S)

243 >>> The only interesting thing that's come out in the last forty years about the JFK assassination is the picture of Bill Paxton as an eight year old sitting on someone's shoulders in the crowd as Kennedy comes out of his dali hospital minutes before the shooting

huh.

A new suspect!

Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:14 PM (KRtlO)

244 While out of camera range, they switched JFK's body with someone else. JFK hid in the trunk and "went somewhere." Goofy way to stage a death.

Posted by: Mr. Barky at February 11, 2025 05:11 PM (H68uY)
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It was the inspiration for the Reginald Perrine series on BBC.

Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 05:15 PM (krQz2)

245 My problem is, as I've said a couple of times: How did the mob know that the LBJ and RFK would then cover up their role?

Because the mafia was running this op with Hoover.
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With LBJ's full participation.

Posted by: Crusader at February 11, 2025 05:15 PM (TN0g+)

246 By all accounts, by everyone, Ruby was nuttier than a shithouse rat. He was not part of any organized conspiracy.

The rumors are, that the secret service partied into the wee hours of the morning at a strip club. Guess where? That might have something to do with it. Also rumors that Oswald was no stranger to his club. That tracks.

The rest of the cover up makes sense. Oswald was a shitty little communist, defected to the Soviet Union at the very peak of the Cold War. Allowed to return. Then murders the president.

Yeah, they had to cover up their total ineptitude, that seems clear. The “second shooter” was an inadvertent discharge by the secret service.

Occam’s razor applies. What the simplest explanation that meets all the facts - there’s yer answer.

Posted by: Common Tater at February 11, 2025 05:15 PM (CQQtk)

247
The problem is that no matter how many documents get released, there will be lots of people who will say not all the documents have been released.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 11, 2025 05:15 PM (dxSpM)

248 If you want some whacky JFK movie...

Bubba Hotep

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2025 05:15 PM (fvLXw)

249 I'd believe Oswald worked alone if not for Jack Ruby who just happened to have terminal cancer when he shot Oswald.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at February 11, 2025 05:15 PM (tT6L1)

250 Now let's find the "lost" LAPD

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle for festive little hats at February 11, 2025 05:15 PM (0/c6E)

251 The problem is that maybe the FBI ginned up the story of the KGB planting the story....

(The Russians did like planting stuff in Indian papers. They did that during covid as well to claim the lab leak was actually in USA that started it all. and not Wuhan, as well as many crazy things.)

Posted by: Gentlemen, Please, please, it's too much winning! at February 11, 2025 05:12 PM (TI7sk)
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Yep, the whole thing is totally unclear. I just thought I'd throw out Klehr's claim re the Indian newspaper story.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:15 PM (YqDXo)

252 Just adding to the conspiracy.

Do you remember the note that was passed around at Bush Sr.'s funeral? Maybe it said we know about JFK. lol.

Posted by: spypeach at February 11, 2025 05:05 PM (UuB/1)

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I now assume they said "Remember that we have Your Epstein Videos. Continue to Obey. Have a nice funeral. -- Your Deep State Masters"

Posted by: ShainS -- It's A Sorry State of Affairs When It's The Judges Who Need Hanging at February 11, 2025 05:15 PM (qgp0h)

253 The CIA skilled Kennedy IMO. Too many coincidences, the coverup that’s been ongoing for decades and the fact that our IC deserve 0% benefit of the doubt.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at February 11, 2025 05:15 PM (eZwyX)

254 If the FBI did it, then the CIA didn't do it.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:10 PM

Do you have any Venn diagrams to prove this?

Posted by: Kamala! 2028! 2032! at February 11, 2025 05:16 PM (a3Q+t)

255 Everybody knows that the Red Dwarf episode "Tikka to Ride" is the correct explanation.

Thanks to time-traveling shenanigans, JFK ends up shooting himself.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 11, 2025 05:16 PM (7fElN)

256 >>>249 I'd believe Oswald worked alone if not for Jack Ruby who just happened to have terminal cancer when he shot Oswald.

i'd always heard that but when I just looked it up, it turned out he was diagnosed with cancer in 1966, during his trial, three years after the assassination.

Now maybe he already knew or something but...

Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:16 PM (KRtlO)

257 Maybe the CIA had an agent in the FBI or better yet in the US Secret Service.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2025 05:16 PM (fvLXw)

258 Ask yourself- why would they cover this up for so long? Who would benefit from that and why? It’s not just that the people in charge have to admit they were involved. It goes a lot deeper than that. Broad r the banging conspiracies are very hard to keep a lid on. Especially as people start passing on or getting old.

Remember that a lot of people don’t like JFK especially in Dallas. Their were “dead or alive” posters up the day he was murdered.

Posted by: Truthbomb at February 11, 2025 05:16 PM (XNd56)

259 I'd believe Oswald worked alone if not for Jack Ruby who just happened to have terminal cancer when he shot Oswald.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at February 11, 2025 05:15 PM (tT6L1)
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That was kinda my point above. He lived for four years afterward. Did he know in 1963 that he was terminal? I'd have thought he'd at least entertain a hope of surviving it.

Now if he knew he had a few months to live, another story. But four years?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:17 PM (YqDXo)

260 The evidence the LAPD lost re RFK assassination.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle for festive little hats at February 11, 2025 05:17 PM (0/c6E)

261 and there was a second unrelated assassin 10 foot away? ya, gotcha.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:08 PM (n7h9X)

Huh?, 10 feet away? No, Romero (the busboy) was walking along assisting/guiding Kennedy by holding his arm as they waltzed through the kitchen. Managed to fall down next to Kennedy after the first or so shot.

Posted by: Ronald Kornblow at February 11, 2025 05:17 PM (pXRYM)

262
The answers to all these mysteries are located in the basement of the Alamo.

Posted by: Frank Barone at February 11, 2025 05:17 PM (+oR7L)

263 yeah, no way you'd lie about something like that
Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:11 PM (n7h9X)

Why would you lie about it? You were photographed and there were 72 witnesses.

Same with Oswald.

Put another way: why would someone kill a politician? For political reasons, fame, or some personal grudge.

In all three situations, wouldn't you take credit for it? So you could tell your side of the story?

Why would you say "I'm a patsy" (as Oswald said) or "I have no memory of shooting him" as Sirhan Sirhan said, or "I'm Jack Ruby, why are you hasslin me?" As Ruby said seconds after the shooting?

Wouldn't you say "yes I did it, and here's why. Here's my manifesto."

Which is what almost every political assassin says.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:17 PM (uCjyK)

264 Meh, maybe they're made different today, but most mob guys I've seen don't impress me as multigenerational 3-D chess players

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at February 11, 2025 05:17 PM (wBaIH)

265 149 Since RFK was whacked, I'm going with all of the above as being true.
Posted by: BifBewalski

agreed

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at February 11, 2025 05:17 PM (7gFa4)

266 Even though the sun was shining, I was not involved in any way.

Posted by: Umbrella Man at February 11, 2025 05:17 PM (/U5Yz)

267 I can't believe ace hasn't gone down this rabbithole with America's Untold Stories.

I would think he was a fan of Groubert.

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2025 05:17 PM (oa1NA)

268 There was a remark during Watergate: someone asked one of the White House staff, why the cover-up? The response was, basically, we never thought there shouldn't be a cover-up.
The IC took it as given that, whatever the facts were, nobody had a need to know.

Posted by: Nazdar at February 11, 2025 05:17 PM (NcvvS)

269 Commies killed JFK because he was unexpectedly too strong as a Cold Warrior. Then commies tried to hide their responsibility by spreading ludicrous theories blaming everyone EXCEPT commies. Then naive rednecks were duped by the LEft's lies, and did the left's work for them.
Posted by: zombie at February 11, 2025 05:13 PM (pMi6S)

How strong was JFK as a cold warrior. He blundered at Bay of Pigs , did get a win with the missiles in Cuba and was beeing suckered into the sinkhole of Vietnam.

Meanwhile if they get detected its WWIII. Lots of Downside there, since their bombs could only hit Maine and a bit of New England.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:17 PM (n7h9X)

270 248 If you want some whacky JFK movie...

Bubba Hotep
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 11, 2025 05:15 PM (fvLXw)

I have that somewhere around here on bluray or dvd. Great concept. Should be a winner. Horrible.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2025 05:17 PM (bss/y)

271 I understand from the Stone's Sympathy for the Devil, that it was you and me.

* looks furtively around *

Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 05:17 PM (krQz2)

272 The Public: "Do you have any evidence?"
The FBI: "No."
The Public: "Do you have any evidence?"
The FBI: "No."
The Public: "Do you have any evidence?"
The FBI: "No."
(...Sixty years later...)
The Public: "Do you have any evidence?"
The FBI: "No."
The Public: "But seriously, for realz this time: Do you have any evidence?"
The FBI: "Oh -- you mean EVIDENCE? This stuff? Yeah, we got plenty of it, right here. Why didn't you ask earlier?"

Posted by: zombie at February 11, 2025 05:18 PM (pMi6S)

273 That was kinda my point above. He lived for four years afterward. Did he know in 1963 that he was terminal? I'd have thought he'd at least entertain a hope of surviving it.

Now if he knew he had a few months to live, another story. But four years?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:17 PM (YqDXo)
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That I was unaware of. So, toss that one out the window.

Darn it, how is one to build a decent conspiracy when people start spouting facts!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at February 11, 2025 05:18 PM (tT6L1)

274 Most if not all of the conspiracy theories descend into nuttery to varying degrees. Still, after having lived through an intelligence community-engineered coup attempt against a sitting president, it still is foolish to fully foreclose a remote possibility of a conspiracy. The Trump-Russia collusion hoax forfeited all reasons to trust anything the United States government claims.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 11, 2025 05:18 PM (CaELB)

275 220 I've stood in the window of the Texas Book Repository where Oswald shot from. A 12 year old could have made that shot.

There's nothing you can't make a conspiracy out of, given enough motivation.
Posted by: Disillusionist at February 11, 2025 05:12 PM (desXV)

Our problem is that so many things that are true, have been called conspiracy theories... that even outrageous ones are under new scrutiny...

I mean... US Gov funded the creation of a Human Killing virus in a Chinese Bio Weapon Lab? and then shut down free speech to hide their guilt? who the hell would even THINK that could be true.... yet...

Posted by: Elvis in Bubba Ho Tep at February 11, 2025 05:18 PM (QAkQ3)

276 What's weird is hearing people say that JFK was hit because he was about to "reveal everything."

JFK was a deep state commie scum. He was not our friend. Yet you hear people on Left and Right make up stories about how he was somehow a good guy and that was why he was hit.

Posted by: Gentlemen, Please, please, it's too much winning! at February 11, 2025 05:18 PM (TI7sk)

277 there's a part in the Illuminatus! Trilogy where all of the assassins at Dealy Plaza see other assassin teams present that they weren't expecting. Like four different groups sent four different teams to kill JFK independently of each other.

"How many people does it take to kill one president?" wonders one of the hired killers.

Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:18 PM (KRtlO)

278 The problem is that maybe the FBI ginned up the story of the KGB planting the story....
Posted by: Gentlemen, Please, please, it's too much winning! at February 11, 2025 05:12 PM

* ssssssssssssssssssssssh *
* pause *
* whoooooooooooooosh*

Wheels within wheels within wheels, man.

Posted by: J. Random Moron at February 11, 2025 05:18 PM (a3Q+t)

279 i'd always heard that but when I just looked it up, it turned out he was diagnosed with cancer in 1966, during his trial, three years after the assassination.

Now maybe he already knew or something but...

Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:16 PM (KRtlO)
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I didn't know that, but it reinforces my point above.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:18 PM (YqDXo)

280 Mob did it to get back at Joe Sr.
Oswald was the patsy
Ruby killed Oswald

CIA knew the mob did it but didn't want to lose it's Cuban human ints.

Posted by: someguy at February 11, 2025 05:18 PM (NB8zO)

281 Even though the sun was shining, I was not involved in any way.
Posted by: Umbrella Man at February 11, 2025 05:17 PM (/U5Yz)

He could have been parasol man not wanting to get a sunburn.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:18 PM (n7h9X)

282 > Look up the picture yourself, the bullet is in pretttty good shape for a bullet that passed through two bodies and hit multiple bones.

Here's the bullet from the back. It's not pristine, it's squished.
jfk-info.com/33-3321a.gif

Here's the bullet from a side angle. The tip's bent, you can see it's dented, and there are lands and grooves on it.
jfk-info.com/33-3323a.gif

I've seen bullets do some weird things. This one isn't even close to being impossible.

Posted by: bonhomme at February 11, 2025 05:18 PM (Odg76)

283 The Magic Bullet was forged in the depths of Mount Doom by Merlin.

Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 05:19 PM (krQz2)

284 Glad to hear this. I was 11 when the assassination happened and actually took a long term interest. I was livid as a kid when the records were sealed for decades. I asked my parents, way back then "Why?" and to this day I have not received a good reason

I'm not a "buff" but over the years have read over a dozen books, including parts of Vincent Bugliosi's 1,000+ page tome. Like Bugliosi or not, anyone who has read his books and seen his track record knows he was a thorough and methodical researcher and a helluva track record as an attorney.

Bugliosi participated in a mock trial over Oswald's guilt held with actual jurors as well as experts and witnesses from the time. His opponent was Gerry Spence, another terrific nationally known trial attorney. Bugliosi prevailed over Spence, with the jury finding Oswald guilty. I have not seen that much of the video of the mock trial but hope to have time when I retire.

FWIW, I feel like #2 is probably most close to the truth. However, Ruby was associated with the Mafia, but not a member. They wanted Kennedy dead. I don't think the mob had the capacity to put together that type of plan and execute it.

Posted by: RM at February 11, 2025 05:19 PM (n/1Oj)

285 >>>JFK was a deep state commie scum. He was not our friend. Yet you hear people on Left and Right make up stories about how he was somehow a good guy and that was why he was hit.

yeah, whatever your political hobbyhorse, JFK was about to blow the lid off it. For Oliver Stone, of course, he was about to pull out of Vietnam and expose the entire Military-Industrial Complex.

Most old Boomer liberals believe this.

They also all claim that "dark rightwing chatter in Dallas" killed JFK.

Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:20 PM (KRtlO)

286 || It still boggles the mind that JFK shared the same mistress as Chicago mob boss Sam Giancana

Judith Exner! Who later went on to marry William Campbell (Trelayne from "Star Trek").

WC lived in my neighborhood when I was a kid so I met him a couple times. But this was LONG after he had divorced Exner.

I will say, he had a type.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at February 11, 2025 05:20 PM (asXVI)

287 My favorite conspiracy, though, is in "I Heard You Paint Houses."

The guy confessed to so many crimes it's almost laughable. Sure, he ran the money for the CIA for the Kennedy assassination.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at February 11, 2025 05:20 PM (tT6L1)

288 "How many people does it take to kill one president?" wonders one of the hired killers.
Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:18 PM (KRtlO)
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President Trump's would-be assassins are wondering the same thing...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 11, 2025 05:20 PM (7fElN)

289 I've stood in the window of the Texas Book Repository where Oswald shot from. A 12 year old could have made that shot.

There's nothing you can't make a conspiracy out of, given enough motivation.
Posted by: Disillusionist at February 11, 2025 05:12 PM (desXV)
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My thought exactly. Especially when I found that JFK's limo was proceeding at walking pace. I'd always subconsciously assumed it was driving at 25-35 mph - a much tougher shot.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:20 PM (YqDXo)

290 BREAKING: (See the headline)

https://www.nbcwashington.com/ news/local/trump-prepares-executive-order- to-keep-slashing-federal-workforce/3841947/

"The order said that “agencies will undertake plans for large-scale reductions in force and determine which agency components (or agencies themselves) may be eliminated or combined because their functions aren’t required by law."

"The order says agencies should “hire no more than one employee for every four employees that depart from federal service.” There are plans for exceptions when it comes to immigration, law enforcement and public safety"

Posted by: Nova Local at February 11, 2025 05:20 PM (exHjb)

291 I suspect #4 is what is most likely, and what will be found.

Just going by recent events.

Lee Harvey Oswald was a known wolf, who the CIA or FBI may have interviewed, but then decided he was nothing to worry about and then oooopsie! So, yeah they kept that contact hidden.

Jack Ruby was a complete nut. He was the kind of guy who liked to jack off his dachshund(?) in front of people while he was talking to them in his office, literally. I seriously doubt he was part of any conspiracy. Besides,

take a look at COVID or Biden's "Win" all the people involved with those things could hardly wait to tell us how smart they'd been in fucking us over. This wouldn't have been a small conspiracy. Surely, somebody would've piped up before they croaked of old age.

The attempted Trump assassinations look to be more about opening opportunities more than direct conspiracy. If the FBI or CIA knew nuts with guns were in town and did a lax job in securing buildings etc...well the opportunities would arise eventually. If not in Dallas, then elsewhere.

I reviewed a lot of the JFK stuff when I was thinking of writing a novel around it. The book I found most convincing was- "Case Closed".

Posted by: naturalfake at February 11, 2025 05:20 PM (iJfKG)

292
Only if you are there, though.

It's a really hard shot from the break room 2-3 floors down.
Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2025 05:14 PM (oa1NA)

Exactly. No one puts Oswald on the sixth floor. Several witnesses put him in the break room on the 1st floor, including a journalist, a cop, and Oswald's boss.

The Warren Commission didn't directly address it, but they said he must have come down from the sixth floor after the shooting but before anyone reacted. Which would place him in the stairwell at the same time as a bunch of witnesses (including the cop who saw Oswald in the break room). None of those witnesses saw him.

Oswald certainly didn't act like he'd just killed the president. He strolled out, hopped on a bus, went home, then went to the movies.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:20 PM (uCjyK)

293 If you really want to "go out there", take this recent release as a warning from the DS.

Posted by: pawn at February 11, 2025 05:20 PM (QB+5g)

294 Forest Gump did it. It is pretty obvious if you ask me

Posted by: Life of Wryly at February 11, 2025 05:21 PM (1FWWQ)

295 The answers to all these mysteries are located in the basement of the Alamo.

Posted by: Frank Barone at February 11, 2025 05:17 PM (+oR7L)
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Everybody I know has a big but.

Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 05:21 PM (krQz2)

296 Durbin throwing more crap at Patel. Alleging he's already working behind the scenes to fire FBI personnel. alleged he lied in his FBI testimony. Had Durbin been accused of being on Epstein's list?

Posted by: Smell the Glove at February 11, 2025 05:21 PM (KXtU1)

297 I'm going with 3.

Same as Chris Stevens winding up dead as a side effect of a botched attempt at covering up loose shit from Skankles.

Posted by: Chris Stevens at February 11, 2025 05:21 PM (W5ArC)

298 Dead Kennedys? I blame Jello Biafra.

Posted by: SFGoth at February 11, 2025 05:21 PM (KAi1n)

299 >>>Jack Ruby was a complete nut. He was the kind of guy who liked to jack off his dachshund(?) in front of people while he was talking to them in his office, literally. I seriously doubt he was part of any conspiracy. Besides,

huh, i didn't know that

Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:21 PM (KRtlO)

300 Forest Gump did it. It is pretty obvious if you ask me
Posted by: Life of Wryly at February 11, 2025 05:21 PM (1FWWQ)
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His accomplices told him to run.

Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 05:21 PM (krQz2)

301 They also all claim that "dark rightwing chatter in Dallas" killed JFK.

Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:20 PM (KRtlO)
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Which somehow motivated a communist nutjob to kill him.

No sale.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:21 PM (YqDXo)

302 Meh, maybe they're made different today, but most mob guys I've seen don't impress me as multigenerational 3-D chess players
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at February 11, 2025 05:17 PM (wBaIH)

Yeah never saw too much mystery how a tough mob connected dude might be mad enough to kill a commie in revenge.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:21 PM (n7h9X)

303
I was in Dealy Plaza on the day JFK was killed. No Joke, pal. It was a sunny day. Lots of folks. I remember clearly because I was standing next to this broad with a rack that could stop traffic. And it did, JFK's driver slowed down to stair at her tits. I saw the whole thing. I said "Listen fat, speed up or somebody's gonna...." and then I heard bang bang bang.

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 11, 2025 05:22 PM (+oR7L)

304 >>>295 The answers to all these mysteries are located in the basement of the Alamo.

is that from The Rock? Is that where Nicholas Cage goes at the end? I thought it was just a Spanish church or something.

Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:22 PM (KRtlO)

305 My thought exactly. Especially when I found that JFK's limo was proceeding at walking pace. I'd always subconsciously assumed it was driving at 25-35 mph - a much tougher shot.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:20 PM (YqDXo)

11 mph is the official story.

But, yes, it is not impossible to fire 3 shots in the time he had from that window.

There was a tree branch in the way for the third shot, but he could have theoretically shot through the tree and still hit JFK.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:22 PM (uCjyK)

306 Legit think GHW Bush was the shot-caller.

Posted by: Thesokorus at February 11, 2025 05:22 PM (aAA8P)

307
The Posner thesis. Oswald acted alone, and was shooting at John Connolly, at whom he had a grudge, and not at JFK, whom he didn't. He really was anvunexceptional shot shooting an unreliable weapon. Jack just happened to be in the wrong place at the right time.
Closest to Occam, but definitely less dramatic than the star-chamber conspiracies.
Posted by: BuddyPC

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Why hide that for 60 years?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at February 11, 2025 05:22 PM (T3es0)

308 >>huh, i didn't know that

He was on Keto. No milk in his coffee.

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2025 05:22 PM (oa1NA)

309 I find it hard to believe that some bureaucrats in the govt. Would try to take down a president.

I mean you'd have to have a wildly outsized opinion of yourself, a conviction that was unshakable and be in a position to do harm....what are the odds

Pretty fcking good as it turns out

Posted by: They call me, bearclaw, not deep throat at February 11, 2025 05:22 PM (styP+)

310 is that from The Rock? Is that where Nicholas Cage goes at the end? I thought it was just a Spanish church or something.
Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:22 PM (KRtlO)

lol. Pee-Wee's Big Adventure!

Posted by: Thrawn at February 11, 2025 05:23 PM (9Ovst)

311 > Had Durbin been accused of being on Epstein's list?
Posted by: Smell the Glove at February 11, 2025 05:21 PM (KXtU1)

You could tell me that Dick "Dick" Durbin was behind the 1919 Black Sox scandal and I would believe it.

A strong candidate for the worst human fistula in Congress, and that's against some mighty tough competition.

Posted by: Chris Stevens at February 11, 2025 05:23 PM (W5ArC)

312 OT (all of them)

Civilization VII looks wrong. Might have to reinstall V again.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2025 05:23 PM (bss/y)

313 >>>295 The answers to all these mysteries are located in the basement of the Alamo.

is that from The Rock? Is that where Nicholas Cage goes at the end? I thought it was just a Spanish church or something.
Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:22 PM

Close. Pee Wee Herman's Big Adventure.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 11, 2025 05:23 PM (kgE5c)

314 Libs of TikTok @libsoftiktok 1h
🚨HOLY CRAP!🚨

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna says her FIRST investigation will be the JFK assassination.

“Based on what I've seen, the initial hearing held in Congress was FAULTY. I believe there were TWO SHOOTERS.”

Posted by: andycanuck (5LoD7) at February 11, 2025 05:23 PM (5LoD7)

315 Oswald certainly didn't act like he'd just killed the president. He strolled out, hopped on a bus, went home, then went to the movies.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:20 PM (uCjyK)
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In the course of which he shot J.D. Tippett, by chance.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:23 PM (YqDXo)

316 I don't have a particular dog in the JFK assassination "conspiracy theory" fight but it always stank, and it's indisputable that elements in the US government have been doing really fucking evil things to Americans for a long time. I mean, just look at the USAID thing - basically acting like a shadow government.

Posted by: Nothing's shocking at February 11, 2025 05:24 PM (mEkvo)

317
43 why was there some kind of blood preservative found in the vials of blood recovered from the crime scene?
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EDTA is added to blood samples to keep them from coagulating by chelating calcium ions. I would imagine adding EDTA to the crime scene blood samples was SOP.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 04:53 PM (YqDX

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It doesn't really matter. Most of the OJ jury slept through the technical parts because they didn't understand them.

And the jurors, by their own account later, had decided before the trial began to find innocence, to inflict well-derserved righteous revenge on YT.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 11, 2025 05:24 PM (Ijbq0)

318 >>Close. Pee Wee Herman's Big Adventure.

oh.

Well Nicholas Cage also found some microfilm that explained the JFK assassination.

Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:24 PM (KRtlO)

319 🚨 #BREAKING: Elon Musk just announced in the Oval Office DOGE is investigating federal employees with high net worth despite low pay

==

hahahah!!

Posted by: runner at February 11, 2025 05:24 PM (g47mK)

320 >>>316 I don't have a particular dog in the JFK assassination "conspiracy theory" fight but it always stank, and it's indisputable that elements in the US government have been doing really fucking evil things to Americans for a long time. I mean, just look at the USAID thing - basically acting like a shadow government.

yup.

Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:24 PM (KRtlO)

321 I have no idea what happened. The only interesting thing that's come out in the last forty years about the JFK assassination is the picture of Bill Paxton as an eight year old sitting on someone's shoulders in the crowd as Kennedy comes out of his dali hospital minutes before the shooting

Posted by: Smell the Glove at February 11, 2025 05:14 PM (KXtU1)

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JFK was in the Dallas hospital minutes before the shooting?
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Posted by: ShainS -- It's A Sorry State of Affairs When It's The Judges Who Need Hanging at February 11, 2025 05:24 PM (3+8Z6)

322 298 Dead Kennedys? I blame Jello Biafra

green jello with shredded carrots > jello biafra

Posted by: anachronda at February 11, 2025 05:24 PM (vZ/Zl)

323 JFK was about to expose information which would lead to the indictment and conviction of 16 year old Hillary Rodham. Clearly.

Posted by: gKWVE at February 11, 2025 05:24 PM (gKWVE)

324 Wheels within wheels within wheels, man.

Posted by: J. Random Moron at February 11, 2025 05:18 PM (a3Q+t)

In a spiral array, our causes can't see their effects.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at February 11, 2025 05:25 PM (wcWop)

325 Oswald certainly didn't act like he'd just killed the president. He strolled out, hopped on a bus, went home, then went to the movies.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:20 PM (uCjyK)

That's just what you would do if trying to establish an alibi. Seriously. Shrieking "I'm Lee Harvey Oswald and I just shot John Connelly" might be seen as suspicious.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:25 PM (n7h9X)

326
I don't believe the bullet that took part of Kennedy's head off was fired by Oswald.

Posted by: Don Black at February 11, 2025 05:25 PM (AOsQT)

327 >>Close. Pee Wee Herman's Big Adventure.

oh.

Well Nicholas Cage also found some microfilm that explained the JFK assassination.
Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:24 PM

Ah. I haven't seen that one. I'll have to take a look.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 11, 2025 05:25 PM (kgE5c)

328 The motorcycle coppers open mike recorded at least three rifle like reports? I can attest that I had severe gastritis and flatulency this day. It may have been me you heard.

Posted by: Umbrella Man at February 11, 2025 05:25 PM (/U5Yz)

329 Could be that the agencies were embarrassed about just how easy it was.

Dude wanted to kill the President and did.

Posted by: eleven at February 11, 2025 05:25 PM (fV+MH)

330 I have only one opinion about the JFK assassination: there was exactly one shooter.

There is some kind of human tendency to believe in multiple shooters. You see it after a lot of shootings in the news, they say there are multiple shooters at first, and then, oops, it was only one. I don't know whether that's a human flaw, or it's just that shots echo and that confuses the people who are there.

So I figure any two-shooter theory is wrong. Anyway, who needs a second shooter anyway? Seems like it would double the risk and add nothing useful.

Posted by: Splunge at February 11, 2025 05:25 PM (afZ9r)

331 Dennis Miller's bit (paraphrased from memory):

'I always thought it was funny that Jack Ruby was there that day. *laughter* "Boss, the guy who runs the local titty bar is here." "Really? Send him right in!"'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2025 05:25 PM (bss/y)

332 In the course of which he shot J.D. Tippett, by chance.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:23 PM (YqDXo)

lol

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It doesn't really matter. Most of the OJ jury slept through the technical parts because they didn't understand them.

And the jurors, by their own account later, had decided before the trial began to find innocence, to inflict well-derserved righteous revenge on YT.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 11, 2025 05:24 PM (Ijbq0)

The verdict was reached the nanosecond the jury was sworn. No need to overthink the motive, agreed.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 11, 2025 05:25 PM (CaELB)

333 After watching how the entire government was weaponized against Trump for the past decade, I don't understand how anyone could, with a straight face, say "it's implausible that a small group in the government killed JFK. It's impossible to form a conspiracy like that. People would talk."

a) would you ever say a word? They just killed the president, they can easily kill you.

b) lots of people have talked over the years, including people in the CIA, in the secret service, and in the FBI.

c) lots of people did die mysterious deaths either right after the assassination or right before they were supposed to testify.

d) obviously our government does shady shit basically out in the open all the time (including everything that happened to Trump), and that government-wide conspiracy seems to be holding up pretty well.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:26 PM (uCjyK)

334 >>>316 I don't have a particular dog in the JFK assassination "conspiracy theory" fight but it always stank, and it's indisputable that elements in the US government have been doing really fucking evil things to Americans for a long time. I mean, just look at the USAID thing - basically acting like a shadow government.

yup.
Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:24 PM (KRtlO)

we knew that in the 70s.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:26 PM (n7h9X)

335 Well Nicholas Cage also found some microfilm that explained the JFK assassination.

Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:24 PM (KRtlO)
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Buried in an Aztec city below Mount Rushmore.

Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 05:26 PM (krQz2)

336 🚨 #BREAKING: Elon Musk just announced in the Oval Office DOGE is investigating federal employees with high net worth despite low pay

==

hahahah!!
Posted by: runner at February 11, 2025 05:24 PM (g47mK)

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Start with ex-Presidents and CongressCritters!

Posted by: ShainS -- It's A Sorry State of Affairs When It's The Judges Who Need Hanging at February 11, 2025 05:26 PM (4MPwq)

337 #314 addendum:

I Meme Therefore I Am 🇺🇸 @ImMeme0 1h
🚨BREAKING: Rep. Anna Paulina Luna announces she will lead the Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets including:

- UFOs
- 9/11 Files
- Epstein list
- Covid-19 Orgin
- Assassinations of JFK, RFK, & Martin Luther King

LFG! 🔥🔥🔥

Posted by: andycanuck (5LoD7) at February 11, 2025 05:26 PM (5LoD7)

338 There are questions about what is being withheld on Trump's two assassination attempts. We probably know more about JFK, RFK and MLK than we do about about last year's attempts.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at February 11, 2025 05:26 PM (KXtU1)

339 oh.

Well Nicholas Cage also found some microfilm that explained the JFK assassination.
Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:24 PM (KRtlO)

The Rock. Well, more sent it. Or sent to it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2025 05:26 PM (bss/y)

340 I know this is important, but just don’t have the bandwidth to care right now.
Too much going on in the present - feels like a distraction. Kinda like how IC has decided it’s time to discuss how aliens are real a few times in recent years. Shiny thing for conspiracy theorists.
*shrugs*

Posted by: Lizzy at February 11, 2025 05:27 PM (Hkcdp)

341 Oswald certainly didn't act like he'd just killed the president. He strolled out, hopped on a bus, went home, then went to the movies

Oswald was the only worker who left work. He hopped on a bus, then took a cab because the bus got stuck in traffic. He went to his apartment/room, then started walking. He was noticed "window shopping" when police cars with sirens went by, killed Tippet, and then "went to the movies" but failed to buy a ticket for the movie.

Posted by: Chuck C at February 11, 2025 05:27 PM (D0HYP)

342 You could tell me that Dick "Dick" Durbin was behind the 1919 Black Sox scandal and I would believe it.

That motherfucker still needs to answer for his connections to James Hodgkinson, the baseball game shooter who almost killed Steve Scalise.

Posted by: no need to go back to 1919 at February 11, 2025 05:27 PM (mEkvo)

343 > I've stood in the window of the Texas Book Repository where Oswald shot from. A 12 year old could have made that shot.

Yep. It was a steep angle, under 100 yards, slow-moving (10mph or so) car, at a massive pumpkin head. I'm amazed people still try to claim this was a tough shot.

Posted by: bonhomme at February 11, 2025 05:27 PM (Odg76)

344 It doesn't really matter. Most of the OJ jury slept through the technical parts because they didn't understand them.
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So they caught the fact that a blood preservative appeared in the samples, but not the reason for it?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:27 PM (YqDXo)

345 It was Governor Connolly. He did it because Kennedy kept kicking the back of his seat.

Posted by: Ben Lange at February 11, 2025 05:27 PM (yXVCT)

346 The problem is that there were so many groups that had means and motive to kill Kennedy: Castro's Cubans, the anti-Castro Cubans, the CIA, and the Mafia -- for starters. And never forget the "MacBird" scenario, in which the assassination was organized by LBJ.

As for me, Ockham's razor tells me that the lone nut Oswald did it on his own. But we shall see.

Posted by: Nemo at February 11, 2025 05:27 PM (S6ArX)

347 green jello with shredded carrots > jello biafra
Posted by: anachronda at February 11, 2025 05:24 PM (vZ/Zl)
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Now now, that's not fair to Jello. He's a loon, but also a very entertaining interview.

By all accounts, he hates both Democrats and Republicans. He's probably a commie, but, why hold that against him when his hatred seems to be evenly divided?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at February 11, 2025 05:27 PM (tT6L1)

348 > 323 JFK was about to expose information which would lead to the indictment and conviction of 16 year old Hillary Rodham. Clearly.
Posted by: gKWVE at February 11, 2025 05:24 PM (gKWVE)

JFK was killed in an attempt to cover up an illegal abortion resulting from his liaison with an underage Nancy D'Alesandro (later Nancy Pelosi).

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at February 11, 2025 05:27 PM (W5ArC)

349 I'd bet good money that Musk is zeroing in on Samantha Power. Get her Big Balls

Posted by: Smell the Glove at February 11, 2025 05:27 PM (KXtU1)

350 JFK was in the Dallas hospital minutes before the shooting?
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Posted by: ShainS -- It's A Sorry State of Affairs When It's The Judges Who Need Hanging at February 11, 2025 05:24 PM

If he'd only stayed there, he would have been closer to medical attention, Jack...they could have saved him!

- Joe Biden

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 11, 2025 05:28 PM (kgE5c)

351 I think the second shot came from the open storm drain.

Posted by: Umbrella Man at February 11, 2025 05:28 PM (/U5Yz)

352 I think you pre-loaded your #1 to fail, due to the dubious assumption that RFK would have had to be in on it. I think you overestimate how powerful the AG is, especially after his brother was just killed.

RFK was frozen out, almost immediately, and an easier conspiracy to wrap one's head around is, they had to kill him too, because he just might win the White House in '68.

So they did. There's no question the CIA killed RFK. There are many reasons to suspect they killed his brother, it's just that the evidence isn't as strong.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2025 05:28 PM (dGCAG)

353 Nothing to see here, move along.
-CIA

Posted by: Chuck Martel at February 11, 2025 05:28 PM (Dv3i1)

354 Late to the thread, has anyone claimed it was Elvis yet?

Posted by: Beartooth at February 11, 2025 05:28 PM (UpGHA)

355 I think in ranking them from most to least damaging you've also ranked them on most to least likely. 4 is most likely followed by 3. 2and 1? eh

Posted by: amos at February 11, 2025 05:28 PM (Pu93N)

356 319 🚨 #BREAKING: Elon Musk just announced in the Oval Office DOGE is investigating federal employees with high net worth despite low pay

==

hahahah!!

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Wait until Mitch finds out...never mind, no pun intended.

This country claims to have a free press and not one senator or MoC who accumulated tens of millions within a few years ever was questioned about it. Imagine that.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 11, 2025 05:28 PM (CaELB)

357 green jello with shredded carrots > jello biafra
Posted by: anachronda at February 11, 2025 05:24 PM

According to the Style Guide, shredded carrots pair with orange jello, and green jello pairs with cottage cheese.

Posted by: Wesley Crusher at February 11, 2025 05:28 PM (a3Q+t)

358
Oswald certainly didn't act like he'd just killed the president. He strolled out, hopped on a bus, went home, then went to the movies.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:20 PM (uCjyK)

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Where Oswald shot a cop dead as they were converging on him.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 11, 2025 05:28 PM (Ijbq0)

359 351 I think the second shot came from the open storm drain.
Posted by: Umbrella Man at February 11, 2025 05:28 PM (/U5Yz)

Pennywise. *nods knowingly*

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2025 05:28 PM (bss/y)

360 why did a number of people mysteriously died after looking into the assassination , hmmmmm?

Posted by: runner at February 11, 2025 05:28 PM (g47mK)

361 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:22 PM (uCjyK)

How do you explain "back, and to the left"? The kill shot came from the grassy knoll. No one will ever convince me otherwise, unless you think the Zapruder film is fake.

Posted by: toddg at February 11, 2025 05:28 PM (dg2su)

362 *die not died

Posted by: runner at February 11, 2025 05:29 PM (g47mK)

363 354 Late to the thread, has anyone claimed it was Elvis yet?
Posted by: Beartooth at February 11, 2025 05:28 PM (UpGHA)

Um, anna with Bubba Hotep.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2025 05:29 PM (bss/y)

364 I saw Mark Lane give a presentation on the JFK assassination at UConn in the late70s. He was a critic of the Warren Commission. That was the beginning of my conspiratorial mind.

Posted by: kactus at February 11, 2025 05:29 PM (twS2i)

365 IF JFK was a drug user as widely reported now, why not just slip him a hot-shot instead of a multi-part, complex attack?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 11, 2025 05:29 PM (mlg/3)

366 Back and to the left

Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2025 05:29 PM (LkLld)

367 huh, i didn't know that
Posted by: ace
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I work really hard each day to avoid disturbing imagery in my life.
This is something I did not need to contemplate as a possibility. Thanks.

Posted by: Gentlemen, Please, please, it's too much winning! at February 11, 2025 05:29 PM (TI7sk)

368 It was Governor Connolly. He did it because Kennedy kept kicking the back of his seat.

Posted by: Ben Lange at February 11, 2025 05:27 PM (yXVCT)

Not guilty.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at February 11, 2025 05:30 PM (wcWop)

369 Late to the thread, has anyone claimed it was Elvis yet?

Posted by: Beartooth at February 11, 2025 05:28 PM (UpGHA)
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It was a force wave from the King's karate chop?

Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 05:30 PM (krQz2)

370 According to James Files, who has credibly (IMHO) confessed to having taken the kill shot, #1 is closest to the truth.

There was a team hired by the CIA, but Oswald was the local CIA representative whose job was to help the team get whatever it needed. Files said he had worked with Oswald before, but in foreign countries. Oswald may not have have even been read in on who the target was, and didn't take a single shot. He was told to be in a certain place at a certain time, with a weapon, so he could take the fall. He was taken out because he knew a thing or two about the operation.

In a press conference, he clearly expected somebody would make some calls, and he would be released. When he was told he was being charged, his demeanor changed markedly. He said he was the patsy because he was, plain and simple. Assassins almost always are only to happy to claim credit for their kill - this was a professional hit. CIA hired organized crime hit men from Chicago.

Zapruter tape makes it obvious the JFK kill shot from from the front - Oswald was behind him.

Posted by: MrExcitement at February 11, 2025 05:30 PM (hOOi9)

371 Hasn't it been alleged that George HW Bush was in Dallas and in on the shooting?

Posted by: Smell the Glove at February 11, 2025 05:30 PM (KXtU1)

372 Ion Mihai Pacepa, Rumanian General and defector to the west makes the argument that Oswald was a KGB asset, that Khrushchev wanted him to kill Kennedy, and had second thoughts because of his (Khrushchev's) weak standing among the Politburo. He attempted to have Oswald recalled, but to no avail. Oswald wanted to prove that he deserved asylum in the Soviet Union with Marina, and went ahead with the plot.

Oswald attempted the shooting of General Walker to prove to his handlers that he could handle the job. The KGB tasked Ruby, through his DGI handlers, to clean up the mess. The KGB pointed the finger at the CIA to dodge the blame and to get some benefit from the action.

Posted by: Bones at February 11, 2025 05:30 PM (4XNv4)

373 Where Oswald shot a cop dead as they were converging on him.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 11, 2025 05:28 PM (Ijbq0)

I don't think there's any reason to think Oswald had anything to do with shooting Tippets.

Much more likely Tippets got himself shot by whoever was sent to find and kill Oswald.

Oswald was likely freaking out, realizing he was set up, and trying to meet with his CIA handler, which is why he was in the movie theater.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:30 PM (uCjyK)

374 > 336 🚨 #BREAKING: Elon Musk just announced in the Oval Office DOGE is investigating federal employees with high net worth despite low pay

It's a pity Harry Reid is pinin' for the fjords.

That fucker NEVER had a real job.

Ever.

Yet somehow he wound up incredibly wealthy representing a notoriously mobbed-up state.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at February 11, 2025 05:30 PM (W5ArC)

375 There are a lot of people that do 'work' for the CIA that aren't full-on Langley-trained agents. Oswald could've been a contractor they toyed with then decided to make him a patsy and plan to take him out after. The taking out part may have gone a little sideways from the original plan and they ended up with Ruby as a back-up. But fold in Ruby knowing he had lung cancer and his mob ties, and it's not a far leap to say Ruby was presented a choice of either killing a president-murdering-commie and being a hero + getting his family a lot of money, or just being taken out himself for turning them down (and always having the threat of something happening to him or family if he broke his word)...

But I firmly believe the mob and CIA took out Kennedy. The mob was furious with Joe Kennedy's bait-and-switch where the mob helped JFK win (and win Illinois) only to have RFK come hunting for them as well as JFK back out of air cover for Bay of Pigs (that the mob financed and CIA trained / ran). They were fine with the boob LBJ; they wanted the Kennedy's out.

Posted by: bearski at February 11, 2025 05:30 PM (Bhsk7)

376 OK, so if Oswald acted alone, how did he know the parade route was going to change to go in front of his place of work?

I'm sorry. Like, I also don't particularly care, but are we to believe that Oswald just happened to work at the place where JFK's parade route just happened to be altered to pass in front of and he just took the opportunity?

This is easier to believe than, say, one other person in the know conspiring with him?

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at February 11, 2025 05:30 PM (asXVI)

377 344 It doesn't really matter. Most of the OJ jury slept through the technical parts because they didn't understand them.
_________________

So they caught the fact that a blood preservative appeared in the samples, but not the reason for it?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:27 PM (YqDXo)

The jury was racist and retarded. The judge was retarded. The prosecutors were retarded and horny. The defense attorneys were ruthless and unethical. No wonder it turned out how it did.

Posted by: Retarded level was over 9000 at February 11, 2025 05:31 PM (mEkvo)

378 I never believed the conspiracy theories on JFK but after I've seen what they've done to Trump and everything else the deep state and leftists have done I wouldn't be surprised at all if the alphabet agencies were involved somehow.

Posted by: CaliGirl at February 11, 2025 05:31 PM (2WYhk)

379 Although now that i think of it, 3 would explain the secrecy. A huge screw up by the incompetent morons at the CIA necessitating a panicked cover up? How in the Bay of Pigs could that ever happen. So maybe 3 is the most likely.

Posted by: amos at February 11, 2025 05:31 PM (2vERM)

380 Back and to the left

Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2025 05:29 PM (LkLld)
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The one thing I know is that Garrison is full of shit.

Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 05:31 PM (krQz2)

381 Back and to the left
Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2025 05:29 PM

It's just a jump to the left, and then a step to the right.

Posted by: The Narrator at February 11, 2025 05:31 PM (a3Q+t)

382 Interesting interview with RFK, Jr, from two years ago. The end of it includes his thoughts on his father's murder.

https://tinyurl.com/mws4t9ud

Posted by: Henry O at February 11, 2025 05:31 PM (X5Mi4)

383 My thought exactly. Especially when I found that JFK's limo was proceeding at walking pace. I'd always subconsciously assumed it was driving at 25-35 mph - a much tougher shot.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:20 PM (YqDXo)

11 mph is the official story.

But, yes, it is not impossible to fire 3 shots in the time he had from that window.

There was a tree branch in the way for the third shot, but he could have theoretically shot through the tree and still hit JFK.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:22 PM (uCjyK)

The area near the plaza does a circle and the cars did slow down a lot in the process for safety and for the crowds. Once the shots happened safety was out the window.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:31 PM (n7h9X)

384 Earl Warren used to eat in my Aunt's Cafe. That's all I got.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 11, 2025 05:31 PM (mB6WH)

385 Civil Asset Forfeiture: Freeze Hunter Biden’s Assets and make him prove he came by the payments honestly.

Offer to reimburse his reasonable attorney fees if makes his proof, but also make clear that every word of testimony offered in his support will be dissected mercilessly for evidence of perjury.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at February 11, 2025 05:32 PM (Om57V)

386 Elon Musk just announced in the Oval Office DOGE is investigating federal employees with high net worth despite low pay.
_____

Now Musk has really stepped into it. Do you think the ordinary citizen is going to stand for this breach of norms? To the streets!!!!!
-Chuck Schumer

Posted by: Chuck Martel at February 11, 2025 05:32 PM (Dv3i1)

387 I got nothin'

Posted by: It's me donna at February 11, 2025 05:32 PM (VE6XX)

388 ' ... it's amazing how many people in Watergate were also in the JFK killing."

this is true

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 11, 2025 05:32 PM (KaBJL)

389 >>>I think you pre-loaded your #1 to fail, due to the dubious assumption that RFK would have had to be in on it. I think you overestimate how powerful the AG is, especially after his brother was just killed.

well, they would have had to plan to positively control him and trust that control would hold. It seems like a major gamble.

As for him being assassinated five years later -- so he had a five year window to uncover the plot that they risked?

Seems chancy.

Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:32 PM (KRtlO)

390 Yep. It was a steep angle, under 100 yards, slow-moving (10mph or so) car, at a massive pumpkin head. I'm amazed people still try to claim this was a tough shot.
Posted by: bonhomme at February 11, 2025 05:27 PM (Odg76)

The issue is, it was a bolt action rifle, and the shots rang out at a set interval. Some experts have replicated the action, but it was hardly easy to do.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2025 05:33 PM (dGCAG)

391 It's a pity Harry Reid is pinin' for the fjords.

That fucker NEVER had a real job.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at February 11, 2025 05:30 PM (W5ArC)
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Unless getting beat up by work-out equipment is a real job.

Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 05:33 PM (krQz2)

392
Seinfeld episode "The magic Loogie"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBz3PqA2Fmc

Funny spoof of JFK shooting but spit

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 11, 2025 05:33 PM (+oR7L)

393 > OK, so if Oswald acted alone, how did he know the parade route was going to change to go in front of his place of work?

How did the crowd know to stand on both sides of that road? I'm pretty sure Oswald had the same ability as they did to figure out the route Kennedy would take.

Posted by: bonhomme at February 11, 2025 05:33 PM (Odg76)

394 OT/ but when is Patel coming up for a vote ?

Posted by: It's me donna at February 11, 2025 05:33 PM (VE6XX)

395 How do you explain "back, and to the left"? The kill shot came from the grassy knoll. No one will ever convince me otherwise, unless you think the Zapruder film is fake.
Posted by: toddg at February 11, 2025 05:28 PM (dg2su)

I think the first few shots came from the DalTex building (or that area), and the kill shot came from either behind the fence, or the grassy knoll itself.

I think there were likely multiple teams with multiple shooters, and the goal was to kill Kennedy with as few shots fired as possible. Since he survived the first round of shots, the shooter(s) stationed at the fence / on the knoll took the fatal shot.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:33 PM (uCjyK)

396 My guess is something between #4 and #3.

Posted by: Hugh G. Rection at February 11, 2025 05:33 PM (HCmwm)

397 Anyway, who needs a second shooter anyway? Seems like it would double the risk and add nothing useful.

Posted by: Splunge at February 11, 2025 05:25 PM (afZ9r)

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Second shooter == Useful patsy

Posted by: ShainS -- It's A Sorry State of Affairs When It's The Judges Who Need Hanging at February 11, 2025 05:33 PM (cWCUS)

398 But I firmly believe the mob and CIA took out Kennedy. The mob was furious with Joe Kennedy's bait-and-switch where the mob helped JFK win (and win Illinois) only to have RFK come hunting for them as well as JFK back out of air cover for Bay of Pigs (that the mob financed and CIA trained / ran). They were fine with the boob LBJ; they wanted the Kennedy's out.
Posted by: bearski at February 11, 2025 05:30 PM (Bhsk7)

You'd think they'd shoot Joe, not the other two.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:34 PM (n7h9X)

399 but it was hardly easy to do.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2025 05:33 PM

This is where a focus on fundamentals becomes critical.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 11, 2025 05:34 PM (a3Q+t)

400 Yet somehow he wound up incredibly wealthy representing a notoriously mobbed-up state.
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Harry Reid lost a fight with an exercise band. How unlucky can a guy get?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at February 11, 2025 05:34 PM (Dv3i1)

401 > 384 Earl Warren used to eat in my Aunt's Cafe. That's all I got.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 11, 2025 05:31 PM (mB6WH)

I've always thought the Supreme Court cafeteria should have Warren Burgers and Felix Frankfurters on the menu.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at February 11, 2025 05:34 PM (W5ArC)

402 green jello pairs with cottage cheese.
Posted by: Wesley Crusher at February 11, 2025 05:28 PM (a3Q+t)

Just ask a gynecologist.

Posted by: It's not as fun as 12-year-old boys think at February 11, 2025 05:34 PM (mEkvo)

403 When I heard about these new "found" records, my thinking is that there were good guys within the FBI who knew about these records but didn't tell the higher-ups because they knew that said records would be destroyed. It's only now that such a person could be confident that these records would end up in good hands. We all know how corrupt the FBI still was in Trump's first term.

So this could be good.

Posted by: MrExcitement at February 11, 2025 05:34 PM (hOOi9)

404 >>OT/ but when is Patel coming up for a vote ?

Not until after Thursday...I think they had a 1 week delay due to process.

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2025 05:34 PM (oa1NA)

405 Think about the very short list of reasons you would cover up a presidential assassination, and wouldn't have an expiration date. Then apply Occam’s razor.

This is a pretty easy answer that’s lost in all the conspiracies.

What would be so terrible that people still don’t want to admit it? It isn’t just that people in the government had some foreknowledge and were “embarrassed” by it as some have suggested.

And don’t leave the KGB and Russians out of it.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 11, 2025 05:34 PM (QfzLT)

406 I believe two things. The Mafia was a real thing then, and really pissed that the Kennedy family turned on them. Also, that the CIA really didn't like how JFK handled the Bay of Pigs, and feared he'd make a worse mess out of their honey-pot of SouthEast Asia.

I believe the details are somewhere in the above.

Posted by: 10/7 at February 11, 2025 05:34 PM (UL+1k)

407 >>>>My last belief in the assassination conspiracy theory was ended by the OJ Simpson trial. I watched as the defense alleged a Conspiracy So Vast, and built their case on various claims of irregularities or unanswered questions -- why was there some kind of blood preservative found in the vials of blood recovered from the crime scene?

So the OJ Simpson trial convinced me that in any investigation, if you ask questions about every single bit of paperwork or evidence, you can manufacture doubt where there's really, absolutely no doubt at all. It made me re-evaluate how suspicious -- or non-suspicious -- it is to find tiny discrepancies.
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I too was once obsessed with the JFK assassination. From 1998-2001. The book that hooked me was "Best Evidence." The author made a case that Kennedy's body was intentionally diverted and altered shortly after arrival on the grounds of Bethesda hospital. A team of docs rapidly altered Kennedy's neck and skull wounds to hide evidence of a second shooter. The body was put back in the hearse and driven to the entrance where the autopsy team was waiting. It temporarily convinced me. Eventually I convinced myself it was BS. Too farcical.

Posted by: Gref at February 11, 2025 05:35 PM (aBgBM)

408 well, they would have had to plan to positively control him and trust that control would hold. It seems like a major gamble.

As for him being assassinated five years later -- so he had a five year window to uncover the plot that they risked?

Seems chancy.

Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:32 PM (KRtlO)

I don't think any of them had any reason to fear RFK as AG... or as a private citizen. It was the possibility he would be elected President that caused them to need to act.

The way I see it, JFK was an existential threat to the Deep State. Just as Trump is now. I suspect they were better at it then.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2025 05:35 PM (dGCAG)

409 Nick Sortor
@nicksortor
·
1h
🚨 #BREAKING: Elon Musk just announced in the Oval Office DOGE is investigating federal employees with high net worth despite low pay

Many, MANY corrupt feds are sweating right now!
Posted by: WisRich at February 11, 2025 05:11 PM (G0vdT)
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Heh...watch how fast the remaining nominees pass the Senate gauntlet.

Posted by: Orson at February 11, 2025 05:35 PM (dIske)

410
I still vote for "There's no "there" there".

However, I think This is not necessarily so: "You can't get away with killing a president if you don't have the government pre-corrupted to do a slipshod job of investigating and guarantee you they will throw the case and let you get away with it."

... because we now (60 years later) see this:
"Under President Trump and Secretary Noem's leadership, DHS will not sit idly and allow deep state activists to undermine the will and safety of the American people."

I want to watch what the Made-for-TV Movies based on the Top 5 NYT Bestsellers written about these documents ~~say~~ dramatize.

Posted by: Arbalest at February 11, 2025 05:35 PM (FlRtG)

411 >>The one thing I know is that Garrison is full of shit.

I've got my doubts about Oliver Stone but his documentary on the coup in Ukraine was pretty spot on. That's one conspiracy he nailed.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2025 05:35 PM (LkLld)

412 I find it hard to believe that some bureaucrats in the govt. Would try to take down a president.
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It would show an atypical amount of initiative for a bureaucrat, that's for sure.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:35 PM (YqDXo)

413 I just happened to be standing next to the brown complexioned man in that kitchen when the gun went off.
It scared me.

Posted by: Rosey Greer at February 11, 2025 05:35 PM (/U5Yz)

414 I think there were likely multiple teams with multiple shooters, and the goal was to kill Kennedy with as few shots fired as possible. Since he survived the first round of shots, the shooter(s) stationed at the fence / on the knoll took the fatal shot.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:33 PM (uCjyK)

I remember a comic story where absolutely everyone, including Aliens from a UFO and everyone in the crowd and Jackie shot at him all at once.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:35 PM (n7h9X)

415 >>>Yep. It was a steep angle, under 100 yards, slow-moving (10mph or so) car, at a massive pumpkin head. I'm amazed people still try to claim this was a tough shot.
Posted by: bonhomme at February 11, 2025 05:27 PM (Odg76)

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I'd be surprised if the mythbusters haven't recreated this shot.

Posted by: Turn 2 at February 11, 2025 05:35 PM (JfxgE)

416 I wonder if they all are sitting low and waiting for Musk to finish and then when taken to court by DOJ, say that it was obtained by unlawful means, and is inadmissible.

Posted by: runner at February 11, 2025 05:35 PM (g47mK)

417 I don't know nothing about no "second shooter".

Posted by: Lebron James at February 11, 2025 05:35 PM (krQz2)

418 You'd think they'd shoot Joe, not the other two.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:34 PM (n7h9X)

Well, I guess the idea would be that JFK and RFK were the ones who were actually dangerous to them.

I dunno. I think we are making this more complicated than it had to be.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2025 05:36 PM (bss/y)

419 >>>378 I never believed the conspiracy theories on JFK but after I've seen what they've done to Trump and everything else the deep state and leftists have done I wouldn't be surprised at all if the alphabet agencies were involved somehow.

yeah, the part of me that used to say "they'd never do this" is gone now.

But still I have problems with the conspiracy theory. There are too many points where they "just got lucky."

Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:36 PM (KRtlO)

420 @371 Bush says he can’t remember where he was at that day.

Posted by: Allen at February 11, 2025 05:36 PM (10Nt8)

421 It would show an atypical amount of initiative for a bureaucrat, that's for sure.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:35 PM (YqDXo)

Their plot will come off in 2165

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:36 PM (n7h9X)

422 >>I don't think any of them had any reason to fear RFK as AG... or as a private citizen. It was the possibility he would be elected President that caused them to need to act.

LBJ repeatedly swore that he would have/see RFK killed. And it happened. Weird.

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2025 05:36 PM (oa1NA)

423
I'm laughing my ass off at the Harry Bolz saga. Elon changed his X handle to "Harry Bolz", with bio saying something about "discount circumcisions".

Apparently, this was a bet just to see if he could make CNN say "Hairy Balls" on air. I think he won.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at February 11, 2025 05:36 PM (w6EFb)

424 > 🚨 #BREAKING: Elon Musk just announced in the Oval Office DOGE is investigating federal employees with high net worth despite low pay

I see he has his youngest kid with him.

If I were Musk and had pissed off this many important evil people, I'd never let the kid out of my sight, world-class security or not.

I'd also be strapped myself. All the time.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at February 11, 2025 05:36 PM (W5ArC)

425 What would be so terrible that people still don’t want to admit it? It isn’t just that people in the government had some foreknowledge and were “embarrassed” by it as some have suggested.

And don’t leave the KGB and Russians out of it.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 11, 2025 05:34 PM (QfzLT)

As has been noted many times, all the principles are now dead. Nobody has to worry they will be criminally implicated by the revelation of the government's role.

So why hide it? BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL DOING WHAT THEY WERE DOING THEN!

Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2025 05:37 PM (dGCAG)

426 meh, I gave up on the OJ question when :
- I found out the LA crime lab does lab notebooks in pencil
- that creep cop took the 5th when they asked if he tampered with evidence

... at that point, f, he might be innocent for all I know, or may be guilty, who the f can really know.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 11, 2025 05:37 PM (KaBJL)

427 > Apparently, this was a bet just to see if he could make CNN say "Hairy Balls" on air. I think he won.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at February 11, 2025 05:36 PM (w6EFb)

Yep. Dana Batshit said it.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at February 11, 2025 05:37 PM (W5ArC)

428 AmericanPapaBear @AmericaPapaBear 4h
JUST IN:
CNN's Dana Bash ACTUALLY said 'Harry balls' LIVE on air.
🤣
@elonmusk lives in their heads, rent free!

Libs of TikTok @libsoftiktok 4h
HAHAHA CNN is forced to refer to Elon Musk as Hairy Balls after he changed his name on X. 😂

Posted by: andycanuck (5LoD7) at February 11, 2025 05:37 PM (5LoD7)

429 Bush says he can’t remember where he was at that day.
Posted by: Allen at February 11, 2025 05:36 PM (10Nt

I can't either. But I was like, two and a half.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:37 PM (n7h9X)

430 >>>The way I see it, JFK was an existential threat to the Deep State. Just as Trump is now. I suspect they were better at it then.

dude he was a patron of the Deep State. He founded USAID and of course it was always a CIA front.

Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:37 PM (KRtlO)

431 Did Oswald kill that cop?

Posted by: davidt at February 11, 2025 05:37 PM (i0F8b)

432
344

So they caught the fact that a blood preservative appeared in the samples, but not the reason for it?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:27 PM (YqDXo)

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All technical aspects were waved away as sinister mojo and lies. The discussion then turned to OJ's career ahievements, and what a handsome devil he was.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 11, 2025 05:37 PM (Ijbq0)

433 >>The way I see it, JFK was an existential threat to the Deep State. Just as Trump is now. I suspect they were better at it then.

That and nobody was really watching. Everybody has a camera in their pocket today. There's one grainy home movie of the Kennedy shooting.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2025 05:37 PM (LkLld)

434 You'd think they'd shoot Joe, not the other two.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:34 PM (n7h9X)

Joe was basically out of the picture at that point.

He had had a stroke and was confined to a wheel chair. I think he was semi-verbal, but he was definitely on his way to a natural death at that point.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:37 PM (uCjyK)

435 The Parallax View

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 11, 2025 05:38 PM (63Dwl)

436 Anyone ever wonder how a shady character such as myself could walk right up to the most important prisoner in the world and gutshoot him from point blank range?

Posted by: Jack Ruby at February 11, 2025 05:38 PM (G5+As)

437 How did the crowd know to stand on both sides of that road? I'm pretty sure Oswald had the same ability as they did to figure out the route Kennedy would take.

Posted by: bonhomme at February 11, 2025 05:33 PM (Odg76)
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IIRC, it was published in the newspaper.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:38 PM (YqDXo)

438 yeah, the part of me that used to say "they'd never do this" is gone now.

But still I have problems with the conspiracy theory. There are too many points where they "just got lucky."
Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:36 PM (KRtlO)

He turned his head. We would be having a very different discussion now otherwise.

'He who does not see the hand of God in this is blind, sir. Blind.'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2025 05:38 PM (bss/y)

439 How did the crowd know to stand on both sides of that road? I'm pretty sure Oswald had the same ability as they did to figure out the route Kennedy would take.||

And then go back in time and decide to get a job at that building?

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at February 11, 2025 05:38 PM (asXVI)

440 So why hide it? BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL DOING WHAT THEY WERE DOING THEN!
Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2025 05:37 PM (dGCAG)

Pretty dedicated since most of them would be 116 by now.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:38 PM (n7h9X)

441 And if we are learning nothing from what's been going on the last 10 years, it should be that the person at the top does NOT have to give approval to something the deep state is running. Sure, Obama was, but plenty was done going around Trump and Pence (the 'enemies') and frankly much was done without Biden or Kamala (the 'dummies' they couldn't trust). Is it possible Alan Dulles, J Edgar Hoover, Sam Giancana, Carlos Marcello, and Santo Trafficante green-lighted taking JFK out among themselves? Absolutely. They had clear motivations to. And if Deep Throat could keep his mouth shut til his death bed, so could these guys...

Posted by: bearski at February 11, 2025 05:38 PM (Bhsk7)

442
I don't know where any of this is going, but the Deep State is being exposed. Their whole system, built up after WWII is crashing down.

All is going to be revealed and laid bare for the world to see. And we're going to find our government has been damned dirty, disgustingly so, over the years.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at February 11, 2025 05:38 PM (w6EFb)

443 >>Did Oswald kill that cop?

No. The ammo casings at the scene did not match the weapon Oswald was caught with.

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2025 05:39 PM (oa1NA)

444 Did Oswald kill that cop?

Posted by: davidt at February 11, 2025 05:37 PM (i0F8b)
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Not that cop. It was the other cop.

Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 05:39 PM (krQz2)

445 So they caught the fact that a blood preservative appeared in the samples, but not the reason for it?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:27 PM (YqDXo)

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All technical aspects were waved away as sinister mojo and lies. The discussion then turned to OJ's career ahievements, and what a handsome devil he was.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 11, 2025 05:37 PM (Ijbq0)
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That's the joy of having Club 85 members dominating the jury.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:39 PM (YqDXo)

446 >> Pretty dedicated since most of them would be 116 by now.

And they're still getting their SS checks, I'll bet.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at February 11, 2025 05:39 PM (w6EFb)

447 I've got my doubts about Oliver Stone but his documentary on the coup in Ukraine was pretty spot on. That's one conspiracy he nailed.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2025 05:35 PM (LkLld)

Agreed, Jack. Stone is generally a kook but he was spot on with UKRAINE ON FIRE. It came out in 2016 and he more or less became persona non grata after decades of rank crankery that received widespread applause. Subsequent events shored up this thesis and claims.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 11, 2025 05:39 PM (CaELB)

448 dude he was a patron of the Deep State. He founded USAID and of course it was always a CIA front.
Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:37 PM (KRtlO)

As was Nixon. His was tied in to the Dulles machine from before his first Congressional run.

Until he had a falling out over Dulles allegedly helping JFK win the election, then they had a falling out. Which festered for years after Dulles was out of the picture at CIA.

And then a bunch of CIA and bay of pigs - linked plumbers brought Nixon down.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:39 PM (uCjyK)

449 440 So why hide it? BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL DOING WHAT THEY WERE DOING THEN!
Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2025 05:37 PM (dGCAG)

Pretty dedicated since most of them would be 116 by now.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:38 PM (n7h9X)

Fetal stem cells, infant blood, and adrenochrome.

Posted by: Only the good die young at February 11, 2025 05:39 PM (mEkvo)

450 >>There's one grainy home movie of the Kennedy shooting.

There are 4-5 films from that day...but only one that shows the actual shooting, iirc.

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2025 05:39 PM (oa1NA)

451 JFK was murdered by the triumvirate of CIA, Mafia and deep state/LBJ due to the threat JFK posed to all three.

Posted by: Archer at February 11, 2025 05:40 PM (IDphi)

452 442
I don't know where any of this is going, but the Deep State is being exposed. Their whole system, built up after WWII is crashing down.

All is going to be revealed and laid bare for the world to see. And we're going to find our government has been damned dirty, disgustingly so, over the years.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at February 11, 2025 05:38 PM (w6EFb)

It's the current unknown unknowns that, when revealed, that will be truly shocking...
As they say, war and politics make for strange bedfellows.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at February 11, 2025 05:40 PM (ynpvh)

453 You're leaving out one important point:

TED CRUZ’S FATHER

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at February 11, 2025 05:40 PM (Vh9CX)

454 And then go back in time and decide to get a job at that building?

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at February 11, 2025 05:38 PM (asXVI)
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Or they knew where he would be stationed and delivered the parade there.

Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 05:40 PM (krQz2)

455 And then go back in time and decide to get a job at that building?

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at February 11, 2025 05:38 PM (asXVI)
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Crime of opportunity.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:40 PM (YqDXo)

456 Did Oswald kill that cop?

Posted by: davidt at February 11, 2025 05:37 PM (i0F8b)

No, I don't think so.

Keep in mind, Oswald tested negative for gun shot residue the first test.

The second, they found a small amount on the palm of his hand, but nothing like you'd expect if he'd fired a weapon that day.

So I don't think Oswald fired any guns.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:40 PM (uCjyK)

457 First rule of assassination... Get rid of the assassin.
I actually don't really care about this as my level of trust in government is at an all time low. Learning it would be justified for something from 60 years ago is just sad. I've spent enough years in government to know it's all too probable.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 11, 2025 05:40 PM (W/lyH)

458 'He who does not see the hand of God in this is blind, sir. Blind.'
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 11, 2025 05:38 PM (bss/y)

Pretty funny since a bit later Stonewall was shot by his own men, including in the hand, severing a finger. Died of pneumonia a few weeks later.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:40 PM (n7h9X)

459 The one thing I know is that Garrison is full of shit.
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I've got my doubts about Oliver Stone but his documentary on the coup in Ukraine was pretty spot on. That's one conspiracy he nailed.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2025 05:35 PM (LkLld)

I look at Garrison as sort of the same as Joe McCarthy. He was on the right track, but he lacked the evidence, and tried to bluff that he did.

The conspirators were better at it. So he's discredited. Even though he wasn't entirely wrong.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2025 05:40 PM (dGCAG)

460
These documents will reveal the mastermind was... Gloria Swanson.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 11, 2025 05:40 PM (dxSpM)

461 Say … whatever happened to the investigation into the Trump assassination attempt? I’m sure we’ll learn the truth. I trust my government!

Posted by: Elric Blade at February 11, 2025 05:41 PM (e5R16)

462 460
These documents will reveal the mastermind was... Gloria Swanson.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at February 11, 2025 05:40 PM (dxSpM

Big foot

Posted by: It's me donna at February 11, 2025 05:41 PM (VE6XX)

463 So I don't think Oswald fired any guns.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:40 PM (uCjyK)
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That'll come as a great relief to J.D. Tippett.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:41 PM (YqDXo)

464 What would be so terrible that people still don’t want to admit it? It isn’t just that people in the government had some foreknowledge and were “embarrassed” by it as some have suggested.

Reminds me of that famous female defense heard 'round the world and through the ages - to tie it all back to the prior thread.

"Why would I lie ?". Indeed.

Posted by: 10/7 at February 11, 2025 05:41 PM (UL+1k)

465 You're leaving out one important point:

TED CRUZ’S FATHER
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at February 11, 2025 05:40 PM (Vh9CX)

You joke, but the Cuban exile community was definitely ... in the peripheries of this entire story.

I don't know where Rafael Cruz was, but it's not as outlandish as it sounds at first glance.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:41 PM (uCjyK)

466 398 But I firmly believe the mob and CIA took out Kennedy. The mob was furious with Joe Kennedy's bait-and-switch where the mob helped JFK win (and win Illinois) only to have RFK come hunting for them as well as JFK back out of air cover for Bay of Pigs (that the mob financed and CIA trained / ran). They were fine with the boob LBJ; they wanted the Kennedy's out.
Posted by: bearski at February 11, 2025 05:30 PM (Bhsk7)

You'd think they'd shoot Joe, not the other two.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:34 PM (n7h9X)

The guy who confessed to taking the kill shot said the CIA hired organized crime hit men from Chicago, and Oswald was the CIA rep who helped them get what they needed on site (but may not have even been privy to who the target was).

He believed the CIA botched Bay of Pigs on purpose, because Castro was more helpful to them in running their drug trade. What you said about the mob might be right on target. LBJ may have been involved - he didn't seem to shocked when it happened, and was a real cold MFer about it. TX was his state, after all. His concern seemed to be whether or not he was in the crosshairs too.

Posted by: MrExcitement at February 11, 2025 05:41 PM (hOOi9)

467 > The issue is, it was a bolt action rifle, and the shots rang out at a set interval. Some experts have replicated the action, but it was hardly easy to do.

Shot two was about six seconds after shot one. Shot three was about five seconds after shot two. Easy-peasy.

Posted by: bonhomme at February 11, 2025 05:41 PM (Odg76)

468 Oswald did not shoot no deputy.

Posted by: Eric C at February 11, 2025 05:41 PM (i0F8b)

469 || Crime of opportunity.

How many Russian-sympathetic former CIA assets worked in Dallas in November of 1963?

I mean, I don't know, maybe there were thousands. Maybe you couldn't even HAVE a parade without passing in front of windows full of opportunistic snipers!

Maybe it WAS a climate of Right Wing Hate after all!

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at February 11, 2025 05:42 PM (asXVI)

470 So why hide it? BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL DOING WHAT THEY WERE DOING THEN!
Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2025 05:37 PM (dGCAG)

Pretty dedicated since most of them would be 116 by now.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:38 PM (n7h9X)

You didn't really mean that to be an actual argument, did you?

Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2025 05:42 PM (dGCAG)

471 JFK was murdered by the triumvirate of CIA, Mafia and deep state/LBJ due to the threat JFK posed to all three.
Posted by: Archer at February 11, 2025 05:40 PM (IDphi)

and that threat is????

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:42 PM (n7h9X)

472 Is it possible Alan Dulles, J Edgar Hoover, Sam Giancana, Carlos Marcello, and Santo Trafficante green-lighted taking JFK out among themselves? Absolutely. They had clear motivations to. And if Deep Throat could keep his mouth shut til his death bed, so could these guys...
Posted by: bearski at February 11, 2025 05:38 PM (Bhsk7)

Exactly.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:42 PM (uCjyK)

473 dude he was a patron of the Deep State. He founded USAID and of course it was always a CIA front.
Posted by: ace

Yup. A loose end that was becoming unraveled due to his many addictions. He needed to be snipped off.

Why did Marilyn Monroe die in yet another mysterious way? She knew too much the pillow talk.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at February 11, 2025 05:42 PM (/U5Yz)

474 Does anyone know who Charles Whitman was?

Posted by: Gny. Sgt. Hartman at February 11, 2025 05:42 PM (mEkvo)

475 " JFK was an existential threat to the Deep State. Just as Trump is now. I suspect they were better at it then.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2025 05:35 PM (dGCAG) "

He wanted to eliminate the Federal Reserve. Thought it was ridiculous that the gummint was paying interest to banks to issue money.
United States Notes were eliminated promptly upon his death.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 11, 2025 05:43 PM (KaBJL)

476 All I know is that the left got some 50 years of "climate of hate" to smear Americans with.

Until Trump.

Then it became no big deal if someone tries to kill the President.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at February 11, 2025 05:43 PM (MxAKj)

477 If there's nothing to hide ? Then stop with the hiding. This is all pretty simple.

They're still hiding something. I want to know what.

Posted by: 10/7 at February 11, 2025 05:44 PM (UL+1k)

478 Also, it always seemed to be post hoc attempts at absolution when claims are made that JFK intended to pull out of Vietnam, dissolve the CIA, yadda, yadda. He was perfectly fine with both even if they got sideways over the Bay of Pigs for a spell.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 11, 2025 05:44 PM (CaELB)

479 It was you and me.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2025 05:44 PM (LkLld)

480 > Pretty dedicated since most of them would be 116 by now.
Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:38 PM (n7h9X)

Ah. That explains how they're still collecting Social Security checks.

Posted by: Elon Musk at February 11, 2025 05:44 PM (W5ArC)

481 The issue is, it was a bolt action rifle, and the shots rang out at a set interval. Some experts have replicated the action, but it was hardly easy to do.

Shot two was about six seconds after shot one. Shot three was about five seconds after shot two. Easy-peasy.
Posted by: bonhomme at February 11, 2025 05:41 PM (Odg76)

In those days lots of peeps shot guns for fun, plus of course he was in the Military. being able to shoot was not rare.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:44 PM (n7h9X)

482 No, I don't think so.

Keep in mind, Oswald tested negative for gun shot residue the first test.

The second, they found a small amount on the palm of his hand, but nothing like you'd expect if he'd fired a weapon that day.

So I don't think Oswald fired any guns.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:40 PM (uCjyK)

Yeah, there's a very credible theory that Oswald didn't fire anything that day, and the weapon set up in the sniper nest on the 6th floor was not fired by anyone.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2025 05:44 PM (dGCAG)

483 I've got my doubts about Oliver Stone but his documentary on the coup in Ukraine was pretty spot on. That's one conspiracy he nailed.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2025 05:35 PM (LkLld)
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He got a few things wrong in JFK. But, a lot of it was based on Jim Garrison's book.

It's Garrison, that I think is full of shit. I saw a computer re-modeling of the McGruber film, it was a more dynamic model, which didn't require so much "direction change".

So, Garrison's static model, which he was pretty fond of presenting, is pretty misleading.

Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 05:45 PM (krQz2)

484 479 It was you and me.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2025 05:44 PM (LkLld)
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[golf clap]

Posted by: Elric Blade at February 11, 2025 05:45 PM (e5R16)

485 Does anyone know who Charles Whitman was?
Posted by: Gny. Sgt. Hartman at February 11, 2025 05:42 PM

He shot Kennedy from that book suppository building!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 11, 2025 05:45 PM (kgE5c)

486 and that threat is????
Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:42 PM (n7h9X)

RFK was taking on the mafia with several back to back big name prosecutions. According to the FBI at the time, organized crime did not exist in America. Even though clearly it did, and clearly the FBI knew it did, and clearly the CIA (OSS back then), if not the FBI, was actively working with the mafia going back to protecting the docks on the east coast during WWII.

JFK was blamed for the failure to re-take Cuba from Castro, which pissed off the CIA big time since they felt JFK had committed treason by not giving the promised air support for the bay of pigs invasion.

And the mafia was heavily involved in, ahem, liberating Cuba, because they had massive casino interests in Cuba that Castro had stolen from them.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:45 PM (uCjyK)

487
I read they had Lee Harvey exhumed in 1981, and they found his head detached from his body, and there was a theory that the head was actually Oswalds from before he went to Russia, put in the casket of the body of his double that actually came back from Russia.

Posted by: Frank Barone at February 11, 2025 05:45 PM (+oR7L)

488 It's not exactly a secret that Oswald was CIA, is it? They tried to demonize him as a traitor for having spent time in various Communist countries, BUT THAT'S WHAT SPIES DO.

Oswald was obviously a patsy. He was just doing what he was told to do (which did NOT include taking a single shot at JFK), and was taken out afterwards because he knew too much and might talk. Does anybody REALLY believe that Jack Ruby took it upon himself to do the job, and made his way into a police station with a gun, all on his own, because he was upset about JFK being shot? It's absurd.

Posted by: MrExcitement at February 11, 2025 05:46 PM (hOOi9)

489 Nood

Posted by: Matthew Kant Cipher at February 11, 2025 05:46 PM (kOluj)

490 Of course, maybe the official story is entirely on the up-and-up.

What if that's true, and ace's #4 is right, with the added bonus that there are dozens of USAID style machinations that made it all possible? I guess that could be all #4, #3 and #2.

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at February 11, 2025 05:46 PM (asXVI)

491 || Crime of opportunity.

How many Russian-sympathetic former CIA assets worked in Dallas in November of 1963?

I mean, I don't know, maybe there were thousands. Maybe you couldn't even HAVE a parade without passing in front of windows full of opportunistic snipers!

Maybe it WAS a climate of Right Wing Hate after all!

Posted by: moviegique (buy my books) at February 11, 2025 05:42 PM (asXVI)
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Oswald, reading the newspaper on November 21: "Hey, Kennedy is gonna drive right past where I work!" Light bulb goes on.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:46 PM (YqDXo)

492 nood homan

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:46 PM (uCjyK)

493 Guys, I have a new conspiracy.

Ace posts upsomething juicy AF like a JFK conspiracy, then takes a nap whilst we argue amongst ourselves.

Posted by: BifBewalski at February 11, 2025 05:46 PM (PaJa1)

494 Easy-peasy.
Posted by: bonhomme at February 11, 2025 05:41 PM (Odg76)

Nonsense. It wasn't easy. It took skill, and was tested over and over by many "experts." Some who could pull it off, and some who could not.

But you have your mind made up. Don't let facts get in the way.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2025 05:46 PM (dGCAG)

495 OT: Major tuna recall. Risk of botulism.

I don't know if any of it comes from the Pelosi cannery in Guam. Possibly contaminated with Nancy's body fluids, and no one noticed because the smell was the same?

Posted by: Elon Musk at February 11, 2025 05:47 PM (W5ArC)

496 >>Does anyone know who Charles Whitman was?

One motivated marine.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2025 05:47 PM (LkLld)

497 >>>Yep. It was a steep angle, under 100 yards, slow-moving (10mph or so) car, at a massive pumpkin head. I'm amazed people still try to claim this was a tough shot.
Posted by: bonhomme at February 11, 2025 05:27 PM (Odg76)

^THIS

If you haven't personally looked through that window, you can't adequately judge the difficulty of the shot. It's a fairly easy shot, especially with a 4x scope. All the photos I've seen of the entire area unintentionally (?) give a false impression of the dimensions of the area (huge) and relative distances (long). Because of the lenses used I guess. I'm not a photographer.

Posted by: Gref at February 11, 2025 05:47 PM (aBgBM)

498 It's not exactly a secret that Oswald was CIA, is it? They tried to demonize him as a traitor for having spent time in various Communist countries, BUT THAT'S WHAT SPIES DO.
_________________

It's also what nutjobs do. Why would the CIA choose someone so obviously unbalanced as an agent?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 11, 2025 05:47 PM (YqDXo)

499 First circuit denies Trump's apeal for stay for case number 1 of the fifteen billion cases grinning leftist judges are throwing his way, of course. On to supreme court for about a week and then they'll move on to case number 2 of fifteen billion.

Posted by: banana Dream at February 11, 2025 05:47 PM (Y6IkP)

500 Alternate world Donald Trump didn't like he could never surpass the greatness of a JFK presidency gone to full term, so in that timeline, he orders up a time machine to go back and kill Kennedy in our timeline.

Because Orangeman bad.

Everything is Trump's fault.

Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 05:48 PM (krQz2)

501 Posted by: Frank Barone at February 11, 2025 05:45 PM (+oR7L)

That's 99 percent of all of 'em.

Again, FedGov forfeited all right to be trusted with Trump/Russia, but it can be wrongfully accused even now.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 11, 2025 05:48 PM (CaELB)

502 I think option 1, and they used same plan in Butler Pa. DJT assassination attempt. Butler PA.
"Investigation" sketchy a f.

Posted by: rusty schaklefjord at February 11, 2025 05:48 PM (MCZg8)

503 Whitman was the shooter from the tower at University of Texas back in the 60's.

Posted by: RM at February 11, 2025 05:48 PM (n/1Oj)

504 I'm also missing the hang-up on "why would they take JFK out and leave RFK?" I mean, with JFK out of the way, LBJ would bump RFK right out. Whether LBJ was in on the hit or not, he hated the Kennedy's and would want things his way. Once out of government, all RFK could do was yap, he had no proof. But when he became a real threat to be president, CIA had to get back to the MK Ultra survivors and get Sirhan Sirhan mobilized...

Posted by: bearski at February 11, 2025 05:48 PM (Bhsk7)

505 LOL, JS!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 11, 2025 05:49 PM (KaBJL)

506 > Don't let facts get in the way.

Do you dispute the shots were spaced ~5-6 seconds apart? That's downright leisurely, even on a bolt action rifle.

Posted by: bonhomme at February 11, 2025 05:49 PM (Odg76)

507 Ace posts upsomething juicy AF like a JFK conspiracy, then takes a nap whilst we argue amongst ourselves.
Posted by: BifBewalski at February 11, 2025 05:46 PM (PaJa1)
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But nobody mentioned how Oswald could have totally done this with a long bow.

Posted by: Axeman at February 11, 2025 05:49 PM (krQz2)

508 If it weren't for those meddling kids...

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 11, 2025 05:49 PM (63Dwl)

509 It was expedient that one man, John F. Kennedy, should die and that a whole nation perish not.

Some day this can be spoken of. Never again.

Posted by: John 11:50 at February 11, 2025 05:50 PM (KfpPU)

510 He believed the CIA botched Bay of Pigs on purpose, because Castro was more helpful to them in running their drug trade. What you said about the mob might be right on target. LBJ may have been involved - he didn't seem to shocked when it happened, and was a real cold MFer about it. TX was his state, after all. His concern seemed to be whether or not he was in the crosshairs too.
Posted by: MrExcitement at February 11, 2025 05:41 PM (hOOi9)

467 > The issue is, it was a bolt action rifle, and the shots rang out at a set

My business partner and best friend died suddenly a few years ago and was found Monday morning. I just said "I'll be in as soon as I can" and started thinking and moving. I don't know how you expect a man to react.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:50 PM (n7h9X)

511 It was you and me.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2025 05:44 PM (LkLld)

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Heh. Always hated those lyrics ...

Posted by: ShainS -- It's A Sorry State of Affairs When It's The Judges Who Need Hanging at February 11, 2025 05:51 PM (+ZdIS)

512 I think:
1. No way JFK shot from behind from a tall building (alone). Wrong angle, superbullet etc.This means, at a minimum was 2nd gunman
2. Unlikely Oswald intended to kill JFK for ideological reasons, or that he was uninvolved. Or why (after caught) would he use the word "Patsy" He was part of what he thought was an op, but (on psychological basis) I doubt he thought he was firing fatal shots. Perhaps he thought he was part of a staged "attempt" for some other purpose, and was surprised as anyone when (other gunman) blew JFK's head off.
3. Almost certainly a Bay of Pigs/CIA/Mafia connection for many reasons/too many coincidences. Do I think all the way to Dulles? I doubt it. My hunch is midlevel CIA guys who felt personally betrayed who saw buddies they trained get mowed down at Bay of Pigs, without US air cover. In cooperation with elements of Mafia/Cubans.
4. Oswald was certainly being handled by CIA. Guys like George de Mohrenschildt don't just befriend yokel ex-GIs of modest means in Dallas. Consistent with Oswald thinking he was part of a different op.
5. What did LBJ know or fail to stop ? Hmm
6. Do I think "govt" files will conclusively answer any of this? Not a chance.

Posted by: Zek at February 11, 2025 05:51 PM (5FPX4)

513 >As has been noted many times, all the principles are now dead.

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yes, but the agencies they worked for are still here

Posted by: Don Black at February 11, 2025 05:51 PM (AOsQT)

514 I'm also missing the hang-up on "why would they take JFK out and leave RFK?"
Posted by: bearski at February 11, 2025 05:48 PM (Bhsk7)

RFK was taken out, at least in my universe.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:52 PM (n7h9X)

515 and that threat is????
Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:42 PM (n7h9X)

RFK was taking on the mafia with several back to back big name prosecutions. According to the FBI at the time, organized crime did not exist in America. Even though clearly it did, and clearly the FBI knew it did, and clearly the CIA (OSS back then), if not the FBI, was actively working with the mafia going back to protecting the docks on the east coast during WWII.

JFK was blamed for the failure to re-take Cuba from Castro, which pissed off the CIA big time since they felt JFK had committed treason by not giving the promised air support for the bay of pigs invasion.

And the mafia was heavily involved in, ahem, liberating Cuba, because they had massive casino interests in Cuba that Castro had stolen from them.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 11, 2025 05:45 PM (uCjyK)

None of those are threats, they are reasons for a revenge motive. Three different groups who might want to be careful about chatting about an assassination with each other.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:57 PM (n7h9X)

516 In those days lots of peeps shot guns for fun, plus of course he was in the Military. being able to shoot was not rare.

Posted by: Oldcat at February 11, 2025 05:44 PM (n7h9X)

Then set up that shot for yourself and try it. Even from a deer stand ... six stories up.

Not easy.

Posted by: 10/7 at February 11, 2025 05:57 PM (UL+1k)

517 "...Is it possible Alan Dulles, J Edgar Hoover, Sam Giancana, Carlos Marcello, and Santo Trafficante green-lighted taking JFK out among themselves? Absolutely. They had clear motivations to. And if Deep Throat could keep his mouth shut til his death bed, so could these guys..."
Posted by: bearski at February 11, 2025 05:38 PM (Bhsk7)

Remember, the Secret Service was essentially ordered to stand down so the shots could be taken, and routed the limo into a kill box. After the first shot, the SS driver actually SLOWED DOWN, instead of speeding away from the scene. Several parts of the government were in on it.

Posted by: MrExcitement at February 11, 2025 06:03 PM (hOOi9)

518 In the late 50's or early sixties an earlier version of the rock band The Band got booked to play a club in Dallas. When they got there they realized the club was partially burnt to the ground. They were booked for a week or two and one of them had to stay overnight to protect their equipment from being stolen. The club owner loaned them a gun to have while they were protecting there equipment. Later a cop showed up and it was looking bad but the club owner showed up and had a relationship with the cops and got them out of it. The club owner was Jack Ruby.

Posted by: Bad Take Directorate at February 11, 2025 06:11 PM (n1ccf)

519 This is from Robbie Robertson's memoir.

Posted by: Bad Take Directorate at February 11, 2025 06:12 PM (n1ccf)

520 Yeah I never bought the whole HUGE CONSPIRACY TO ASSASSINATE JFK.

If they wanted to assassinate JFK, they wouldn't have done it in a manner that put the CIA under primary suspicion.

They would have had one of his White House hookers that he brought in to screw every single week stab him in the bedroom and then 'get shot' by the Secret Service. Case closed, murderer dead at the scene, JFK ordered them to let in unvetted pussy and it killed him.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at February 11, 2025 06:13 PM (lCHt6)

521 I've found that the books "Case Closed" by Gerald Posner and Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History" did a good job of debunking most of the, um, more implausible conspiracies.

Posted by: Midnigfht Rambler at February 11, 2025 06:13 PM (9CBNQ)

522 72

Abe Lincoln, Adolph Hitler, JFK, Saddam Hussein, and Moamar Gaddaffi all share two things: 1. They wented either gold backed money or independently created money by their own gov't. 2. They were killed.

The central bankers did it looks plausible.

As to hiding the data for sixty years: Why would you hide data? Because someone is still vulnerable.

Who or What could that be?

FBI, CIA, Israel, the whole Fed Gov't.

Keep in mind what one guy said about the anti commies. He was one of the reasonable ones, but lo and behold, out comes the Venona Papers, and he finds out that the guys he considered extreme were actually right.

Right now, as they say, I need some new conspiracy theories. All my old ones are proven fact.

Posted by: Eric2 at February 11, 2025 06:21 PM (q7Vou)

523 I live under the credo of: never attribute something to malice that can easily be explained by incompetence. If they’re hiding something, why would they “discover” these records in the first place? Just destroy them. Who would know?

But then again, I’ve never understood the Right’s fascination with JFK (a mediocre President who nearly blundered us into WWIII) and eagerness to absolve a psychotic Marxist of his murder.

You always hear: “JFK would be a Republican today!” Well yeah, if he kept the same positions. But he wouldn’t keep the same positions. He would’ve drifted left along with his brothers and the rest of the Democrat Party.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at February 11, 2025 06:27 PM (w6p9p)

524 It seems to me that if the Mob got away with assassinating the President, they'd have gotten a lot cockier and started taking over the government.

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at February 11, 2025 06:29 PM (Vvh2V)

525 My theory - the missing information shows that JFK fucked a lot of women, was a dirty politician, and a lot of people wanted to kill him. The FBI tracked all this down, and documented it, but decided it wasn't relevant to the true cause of the assassination and was super embarrassing to a lot of powerful people, whos' wives he slept with. It is all going to tarnish JFKs reputation, to a point that many people won't mind he was assassinated.

Plus, he had VD when he was killed.

Posted by: El Mariachi at February 11, 2025 06:36 PM (ZBykU)

526 Look, nobody cares it was a conspiracy - what they care about is JFK the icon and being embarrassed.

Posted by: El Mariachi at February 11, 2025 06:38 PM (ZBykU)

527 Oswald was a lone nut with a gun. Those who idolized Kennedy can't handle that conceptually, but there it is.

Posted by: Lyford at February 11, 2025 06:42 PM (gb+vr)

528 JFK had evidence that would send Hillary to jail.

Posted by: ChrisW at February 11, 2025 06:49 PM (/hqko)

529 I trust the mafia's ability to execute someone without a trace of evidence a hell of a lot more than I trust the feds ability to do basically anything without fucking it up.

Posted by: mc at February 11, 2025 06:55 PM (TaHV5)

530 Massad Ayoob favors the theory that someone from JFK's protective detail had a negligent discharge from an M16. Poor trigger discipline plus startled by the assassin's shot equals ND.

The first bullet would have left JFK in a wheelchair if he survived it. The second bullet exploded his brain, instant death. The first bullet was heavy and relatively slow moving, while the second had the effect you would expect from an M16.

One shooter plus one horrible screwup and you have the mystery that has lasted decades.

Posted by: mr_jack at February 11, 2025 07:10 PM (rn2/h)

531 Oswald was not a CIA asset, but a KGB asset, which is why he wanted to travel to Cuba and made his bus trip to Mexico to visit with the Russians. The quid pro quo was to have Oswald kill Kennedy to get even with him for embarrassing them over the Cuban missile crisis, then he could go to Cuba. The CIA failed to detect this plot and consequently covered it up to maintain their "sterling" reputation.

Posted by: Kurtz at February 11, 2025 07:15 PM (4t+0i)

532 527 Oswald was a lone nut with a gun. Those who idolized Kennedy can't handle that conceptually, but there it is.
Posted by: Lyford at February 11, 2025 06:42 PM (gb+vr)

Yep. People just can’t psychologically process the inherent imbalance. The most powerful man in the world killed by a schizophrenic nobody. They feel the emotional need to add some weight to Oswald’s side of the scale. And a massive conspiracy involving shadowy, powerful organizations suits that need perfectly.

Posted by: Lamont Cranston at February 11, 2025 07:17 PM (w6p9p)

533 CIA= HWB= LBJ. Bush's and Johnson's were close friends, both being from Texas. I dislike both

HWB denied being in Dallas in an interview, which I can't find but have seen.

https://tinyurl.com/46rpm6r5

https://tinyurl.com/yvuhcz9w

HWB=Hinkley family= tried to off Reagan
https://tinyurl.com/3h9m8xne

OK...Daily Kos...but I remember some of this stuff from reading
https://tinyurl.com/3bnhtupd

GWB is possibly the only American who could not remember where they were on 11/22/1963

It all flows down to the Bush family.

Keep remembering how outraged Jeb/drunk Laura were at HWB's funeral. While GWB did not look at President Trump, Truth Bringer, they were having quiet hissy fits as HWB's coffin was wheeled out.

Remember, too, the oil painting at Epstein's of GWB playing with paper airplanes? I know nothing, but all this are coincidences?

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at February 11, 2025 07:25 PM (ScdUI)

534 Correction to above:

HERBERT Bushie does not recall where he was on 11/22/1963. He was still in the CIA, so should have a record, eh?

I do and so does the rest of America. Similar to knowing where you were on 9/11/01.

Posted by: ChristyBlinkyTheGreat at February 11, 2025 07:32 PM (ScdUI)

535 Oswald was always a patsy. The real shooter that took out Kennedy was Charles Whitman. By the time the CIA was done MKUltra-ing him, he was so far off the deep end that they lost control of the guy. Which is what led to the UT shooting.

Posted by: harbqll at February 11, 2025 07:56 PM (zmj4k)

536 I'm not sure why they say in the video that the footage has never been shown publicly. The footage was in the "JFK Revisited" documentary.

The government misplaced JFK's brain for one specific reason: It proved there were multiple shooters.

Parkland Doctors will testify that they saw JFK shot from the front which completely eviscerates the narrative that Oswald was the lone gunman.

Listen to them for yourself.

@realannapaulina now says she herself believes there were multiple shooters.

It's time to normalize telling the truth.

The next four years are going to be completely amazing if Trump continues to allow the truth to shine like this.

Conspiracy theorists have been literally decades ahead of the mainstream media when it comes to the assassination of JFK.

X Video: https://bit.ly/3Ez2n9X

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at February 11, 2025 08:34 PM (P5BPp)

537 The idea that the CIA was involved was a KGB disinformation campaign. See "The Sword and the Shield" by Andrew and Mitrokhin. Mitrokhin was a KGB archivist who defected to the West, bringing voluminous notes with him.

Posted by: MEO at February 11, 2025 09:00 PM (DTaM7)

538 is that from The Rock? Is that where Nicholas Cage goes at the end? I thought it was just a Spanish church or something.

Posted by: ace at February 11, 2025 05:22 PM

Front pew, right leg.

https://bit.ly/3Eze8gK

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at February 11, 2025 09:21 PM (P5BPp)

539 Let Musk audit the assassination. He’ll have the answer in a few days.

Posted by: Lex at February 11, 2025 10:05 PM (MYYw0)

540 Too late to hope LBzj did it?

Posted by: Goatweed at February 11, 2025 10:32 PM (cl9qq)

541 Connally as Secretary of the Navy had denied Oswald's appeal of his dishonorable discharge (or something similar). He thought Oswald was aiming at him.

Or:

The assassination was plotted by an elderly centimillionaire, an obsessive Marilyn Monroe fan who blamed Kennedy for her death. When his plot was exposed, he said "I'm 82 years old, I've been in a wheelchair for 37 years, my allergies will kill me if I ever go outside, I'm diabetic, and my kidneys are failing. So go ahead - put me on trial. I'll make sure everyone knows all about what Jack did to Marilyn." (Or his version - she wasn't murdered, but the stink he'd make would never go away.)

This explains why Bobby and the family and the whole Warren Commission would go along with a cover-up.

Posted by: Rich Rostrom at February 12, 2025 02:53 PM (0/r80)

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