Daily Tech News 2 February 2025

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Nvidia's RTX 5060 and 5060 Ti might arrive in March to steal the thunder from AMD's launch of its Radeon 9000 family, but probably won't succeed at doing that. (Tom's Hardware)

The problem is twofold.

The best selling point of the 4060 is its low power consumption, and Nvidia is using the same 4nm TSMC process for the 5000 series, so there are no easy wins there. They can use GDDR7 memory, but that's more expensive and the chip on the 5060 is unlikely to be fast enough to make good use of it.

With the 5060 Ti things are more complicated. The 4060 Ti is 40% faster in theory than the base 4060, but has exactly the same 8GB of GDDR6 RAM on a 128 bit bus, so the performance of the card is meh, and collapses as soon as games demand more than 8GB. You can get a 16GB model, but it's still constrained by the 128 bit bus.

With the 5060 Ti, Nvidia can use GDDR7 - around 40% faster - and use 24Gbit chips so that the base model has 12GB of VRAM instead of just 8GB. That would give the chip a lot more breathing room - but if it works well it will encroach on the 5070 and Nvidia can't have that.

Also Intel's B580 already exists, has 12GB of VRAM, and costs just $250, constraining both AMD and Nvidia when it comes to lower-end cards.

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While we're engaging in wild speculation, will there be a desktop version of the Ryzen 370?

This is a laptop chip with four Zen 5 cores, eight slower Zen 5c, and sixteen RDNA 3.5 graphics cores, and it's quite a sold performer.

Originally there seemed to be no chance for this arriving in an AM5 socket because it only supports soldered LPDDR5 memory. Except last month Geekom, Acemagic, and Minsiforum all announced mini-PC models with the Ryzen 370 and socketed DDR5 memory, and if that is possible then a regular AM5 model should also be possible.
OpenAI has announced o3-mini, and updated reasoning model that is smarter and smaller than o1. (Ars Technica)

According to OpenAI.
The US is - as expected - imposing tariffs on imports from Canada, Mexico, and China. (The Verge)

The Verge here is helpfully explaining that companies don't pay taxes; the cost is always passed on to the consumer... Oblivious to the fact that this fact directly counters a critical Democratic talking point.
I'm not saying it's a cult but... Wait, yes I am. This is definitely a cult. (SF Gate)

What the hell kind of name is Ziz, anyway? Zardoz. Now there's a proper name.

Musical Interlude

Disclaimer: Crazy little thing called Ziz.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at 04:00 AM

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1 Good morning, Pixy.

Posted by: tankdemon at February 02, 2025 04:02 AM (R256O)

2 I guess it's evening for you.

Posted by: tankdemon at February 02, 2025 04:02 AM (R256O)

3 pretty good

Posted by: Ciampino - My date for New Year is February 2nd at February 02, 2025 04:02 AM (KjLnc)

4 Nooded. They'll be along in a bit.

Posted by: tankdemon at February 02, 2025 04:03 AM (R256O)

5 "Oblivious to the fact that this fact directly counters a critical Democratic talking point."

It might directly a critical Democratic talking point, but only because that critical Democratic talking point (like the vast majority of critical Democratic talking points) directly counters reality.

Posted by: tankdemon at February 02, 2025 04:06 AM (R256O)

6 Mornin'

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at February 02, 2025 04:10 AM (G1ktt)

7 Okay, campers, rise and shine, and don't forget your booties 'cause it's cooooold out there today.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at February 02, 2025 04:16 AM (O7YUW)

8 If Bill DeBlasio shows up, make sure to have security trail him.

He has history.

Posted by: Random Phil from Pennsylvania. Who Are You Callin' a Rodent? at February 02, 2025 04:18 AM (R256O)

9 Googling "ziz" lead me to a story of a giant bird of Jewish myth.

Posted by: tankdemon at February 02, 2025 04:19 AM (R256O)

10 Goodmorning, good people, from the Adirondacks, featuring some yo-yo temps this season due to changing Jet Stream winds that invite regular surges of really Polar cold to pass through. Minus 5 this AM for example.

Fireplace and suitable beverage required.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at February 02, 2025 04:19 AM (hKoQL)

11 7 Okay, campers, rise and shine, and don't forget your booties 'cause it's cooooold out there today.
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at February 02, 2025 04:16 AM (O7YUW)

Didn't you post that yesterday?

Posted by: Mr. Conners at February 02, 2025 04:20 AM (R256O)

12 Watching Fox Weather Channel. Some travel show with a delightful and lovely host named Abby Hornacek. The last name sounded familiar so I look her up on the interwebs. She's the daughter of John Hornacek, retired NBA Player and a, well, was, and an NBA coach. She must have gotten her amazing looks from her mom.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at February 02, 2025 04:21 AM (G1ktt)

13 National Post: 'We will not back down': Trudeau announces steep Canadian tariffs to retaliate against Trump

In Saturday night address, prime minister responds to Trump's move to impose 25-per-cent tariffs on Canadian imports starting Tuesday

https://tinyurl.com/3ksysttv

The Globe and Mail (via archive site):
https://archive.ph/ZOVVF

Conservatives say referendum on carbon pricing won’t be central feature of next campaign

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So tariffs are being imposed in both directions, and on April 1, our carbon taxes go up AGAIN (the cruelest of April Fools jokes) which causes prices on everything to go up as well.

And now apparently the carbon tax issue isn't going to be a major issue in the next election because of the tariff issue. *deep sigh*

Our market is so tied to the American market that our prices on everything are going to skyrocket, again, and we were already suffering from the massive price increases the past two years because of inflation caused by the Liberals printing cash when they'd shut down the economy mostly during Covid.

We're 10% the size of the American market. We're going to get crushed.

Dear God in Heaven, please help us.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at February 02, 2025 04:59 AM (O7YUW)

14 Pardon me good sir, but did you notice that man's teeth?

Posted by: Van Helsing at February 02, 2025 05:01 AM (N462N)

15 Morning, 'rons and 'ettes.

Posted by: olddog in mo at February 02, 2025 05:08 AM (njnsa)

16
g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 02, 2025 05:16 AM (tljrc)

17 The 5060 Ti is the first decent midrange card for more me to consider upgrading my 3060.

My PC connects two 6 pin power connectors to the 3060. However, the 5060 Ti has a 16 pin connector (allegedly)? Both cards are 170 watts so I hope its not an issue.

Posted by: WillowViney at February 02, 2025 05:20 AM (d3MA1)

18 Morning, Tech Peeps

Posted by: fluffy at February 02, 2025 05:23 AM (AN2gy)

19 Evening and morning to all the late Sunday toilers and early risers of the AoSHQ Empire! 'Tis Sunday, the Sun's Day and the Lord's Day. And it's Candlemas!

"If Candlemas be fair and clear
There be twa winters in the year."

Doesn't hold around this place. We can have a fair and even warm Feb. 2 (it'llbe 70 F. here today!), and summer still arrives in mid-March, if not sooner.

There's something about a fat rat, too. . . .

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 02, 2025 05:29 AM (omVj0)

20 Christ's visual paradox. A reflection on the Beatitudes Matthew 5 and a wonderful old time hymn- "When I survey the wondrous cross":

https://www.odbm.org/devotionals

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2025 05:30 AM (2nMjY)

21 Ive always said the Deep South, instead of a groundhog, should have Big Cockroach. He comes out, and if he sees his shadow before somebody steps on him, we'll have six more weeks of summer.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 02, 2025 05:30 AM (omVj0)

22 Scripture passage is Matthew 5:1-12.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2025 05:32 AM (2nMjY)

23 51 F. outside now, no wind chill because the wind is 1 mph. Good workout weather. My decision: Drive to the track about ten minutes away, or stick with the close-at-hand boulevard I usually use and am bored with.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 02, 2025 05:34 AM (omVj0)

24 Candlemas is supposedly the halfway mark of winter, six weeks since the winter solstice. Summer has its midpoint too, August 1. Spring's would be about May 1, and fall, November 1 (okay, October 31). . .

All of which are supposed to be witchcraft celebration points. Isn't that odd.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 02, 2025 05:39 AM (omVj0)

25 For San Franpsycho, ICYMI:

JNS'S senior contributing editor @Carolineglick is heading back to Prime Minister @Netanyahu's Office as International Affairs Adviser

Posted by: olddog in mo at February 02, 2025 05:41 AM (njnsa)

26 Christian family sings old time hymn, •It is well"

https://tinyurl.com/bdzy2x5u

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2025 05:44 AM (Ct1oh)

27 I read that the 'six more weeks of winter' is based on years of observation and is a generally reliable indicator of what sort of weather pattern Scotland was in.

If any whistle pig sticks head out in these parts he will be rather chilly and the sun will be shining.

Posted by: fluffy at February 02, 2025 05:45 AM (AN2gy)

28 I read that the 'six more weeks of winter' is based on years of observation and is a generally reliable indicator of what sort of weather pattern Scotland was in.

If any whistle pig sticks head out in these parts he will be rather chilly and the sun will be shining.
Posted by: fluffy at February 02, 2025

***
Och, aye. Pu' some mair peat on the fire, lass. And bring me ma pipe!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 02, 2025 05:48 AM (omVj0)

29 Link to Caroline Glick appointment:

https://www.jns.org/
caroline-glick-appointed-as-adviser-to-netanyahu/

Posted by: olddog in mo at February 02, 2025 05:49 AM (njnsa)

30 "Fire and sleet and candlelight
And Christ receive thy saule . . ."

(To make the rhyme work, "candlelight" must once have been pronounced "candle-leet," I suppose. Or was "sleet" pronounced as "slight"?)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 02, 2025 05:51 AM (omVj0)

31 Good morning! Gonna be a bright sunshiny day here in Cowtown and then the temps are gonna roller coaster between the mid 70s and the low 40s daily next week.

Say, whatever became of the investigation of that ship that crashed into the bridge in Baltimore?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 02, 2025 05:54 AM (3Ope8)

32 Scripture when we feel frustrated. . Old and New Testament:

https://tinyurl.com/mt3w3e3n

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2025 05:58 AM (3RU/T)

33 Can someone tell me the purpose of tarrifs? Is it to have goods made in America or to stop the flow of fertanyl (sp) or both because if I try to look this up I get-of course pages and pages of left wing sites.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2025 06:00 AM (3RU/T)

34 G'morning, all!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 02, 2025 06:00 AM (a1415)

35 Also, to get other countries to stop the flow of illegals.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2025 06:02 AM (WK7aH)

36 Good morning, Fen -
The way I understand it the tariffs are intended to suppress the flow of certain materials and commodities, and thus the flow of traffic across the border. This would theoretically stifle the flow of illegal aliens and drugs.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 02, 2025 06:06 AM (3Ope8)

37 Containership Dali ongoing NTSB report

https://tinyurl.com/muewh6e8

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 02, 2025 06:10 AM (a1415)

38 Thanks, CrotchetyOldJarhead

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2025 06:11 AM (WK7aH)

39 Juan Brown with another excellent video.

This time, the Philadelphia medical Lear crash.

https://tinyurl.com/38s8p4a8

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 02, 2025 06:13 AM (a1415)

40 Fen and COJ,

Trump has said in his somewhat round about manner that he is using tariffs on traditional products as a way to make it so painful on the Chinese, Mexican and Canadian governments that they will cease tolerating, ignoring or tacitly supporting illegal immigration and drug smuggling.

Posted by: Pete Bog at February 02, 2025 06:13 AM (kq/Qu)

41 Story from Indiana. Professional jump roper saves boy and dog from icy waters by using double Dutch ropes:

https://tinyurl.com/dx2a4dxz

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2025 06:14 AM (MQJVv)

42 Thanks, PeteBog

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2025 06:15 AM (MgnXK)

43 I guess you can look at a tariff as a flat screwdriver. It's just a tool. What is a flat screwdriver for? Driving flat head screws. Opening paint cans. Scraping that stupid last bit of label off the bottom of the flower pot you bought because someone decided to use an adhesive that's strong enough to pull the sun out of its galactic orbit. Whatever you want to use it for, that's what it's for.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 02, 2025 06:18 AM (+iIV1)

44 And finally, last night's NTSB update on the DCA crash.

https://tinyurl.com/572ez9rj

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 02, 2025 06:19 AM (a1415)

45 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 02, 2025 06:10 AM (a1415)

I saw that. Amazingly the ship was 'extensively repaired and recertified' and is back in service. No mention of the reason(s) for the collision or the resultant investigation of the crew.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 02, 2025 06:22 AM (3Ope8)

46 For what it’s worth I don’t recall Trump really articulating this correlation or why it will work. He’s blustered before only to back off over partial concessions from trade partners. In other words he’s been negotiating via trade threats.

It’s worked previously but at some point your adversary recognizes the tactic and doesn’t take the bait.

Posted by: Pete Bog at February 02, 2025 06:23 AM (kq/Qu)

47 Birdbath status?

Posted by: Just Wondering at February 02, 2025 06:24 AM (dg+HA)

48 "Fire and sleet and candlelight
And Christ receive thy saule . . ."

(To make the rhyme work, "candlelight" must once have been pronounced "candle-leet," I suppose.
--------------
Yes. And the word is actually "fleet."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75YFXV0Q5X8

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at February 02, 2025 06:26 AM (6K6Eu)

49 It’s worked previously but at some point your adversary recognizes the tactic and doesn’t take the bait.
Posted by: Pete Bog at February 02, 2025 06:23 AM (kq/Qu)

That's kind of backwards, isn't it? This is how threats are supposed to work. Do X, or I do Y. If you make good faith moves to do X, then I'm not gonna do Y. If i did, I'd go from being a bully to being a garden variety asshole, and then no one would ever do X because there would be no upside.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 02, 2025 06:27 AM (+iIV1)

50 What are the current Canadian tariffs on US goods, anyway? Zero? I have a hunch it's not zero.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 02, 2025 06:31 AM (+iIV1)

51 What are the current Canadian tariffs on US goods, anyway? Zero? I have a hunch it's not zero.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 02, 2025 06:31 AM (+iIV1)
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Narrator's voice: It's not zero.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at February 02, 2025 06:33 AM (6K6Eu)

52 Wasn't there some thing called NAFTA that was supposed to get rid of tariffs between the United States of America, the Mexican United States, and the Dominion of Canada?

Did that go away?

I'm not being snarky, that shit all happened when i was little and paying zero attention to world events.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 02, 2025 06:36 AM (+iIV1)

53 NAFTA was replaced by USCMA in Trump's first term.

Posted by: olddog in mo at February 02, 2025 06:37 AM (njnsa)

54 NAFTA was replaced by USCMA in Trump's first term.
Posted by: olddog in mo at February 02, 2025 06:37 AM (njnsa)

That must have happened when i was old and paying almost zero attention to world events.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 02, 2025 06:38 AM (+iIV1)

55 Seen on X:

A lot of supposed trade experts seem to be missing out a key reason behind the 25% tariffs announced yesterday against Canada and Mexico by the Trump administration.

It’s a negotiation tactic, the USCMA has to be renegotiated next year.

This was one of the main innovations of the previous Trump administration on trade matters, putting sunset clauses on trade deals to make sure current or future US grievances could be addressed in future negotiations.

Posted by: olddog in mo at February 02, 2025 06:39 AM (njnsa)

56 Byeee...

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at February 02, 2025 06:40 AM (6K6Eu)

57 I’ve come to some realizations about Trump. It is dumb to talk about fellow conservatives here and argue about who is more trump in and who is not. My path went almost exclusively, the same as Ace, but happened to be the case. It wasn’t for any other reason.

After looking at this, I honestly believe Trump wants us to have the Panama Canal. I honestly believe he wants us to have Greenland. I honestly believe Trump thinks Canada should be part of the United States. The terrace are because Canada has done such a horrible job protecting our borders and also protecting their own country. These people can’t stand up to this, and they’re making fools of themselves when they think they could cause us harm.

Posted by: Quint at February 02, 2025 06:43 AM (wQQ5C)

58 Here's a poster I haven't seen for a while: Robert, the l funny , nice long haul trucker. Anyone else seen him on other threads ? Hope he's o.k and just taking a break.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2025 06:44 AM (dKL5S)

59 Blackrock has invested heavily in 3 Chinese EV manufacturers. They are building plants in Mexico to get around China tariffs. If 75% of parts are built in NA then there are little or no tariffs.

Posted by: olddog in mo at February 02, 2025 06:44 AM (njnsa)

60 The only reason I posted this was because as a lifelong conservative Republican, I understand how some of us think. Something this is a negotiating tactic, but I know it is not.. sure in many ways. Everything is a negotiating tactict. But if you think Trump is joking about Greenland, the Panama Canal and Canada, you are mistaken. Has never been weaker. There could never ever been a time when it was more right to annex the place. I find it interesting that the crown in the UK says nothing.

Posted by: Quint at February 02, 2025 06:45 AM (wQQ5C)

61 Fen, I've seen Robert posting this past week. Seems like all is well with him.

Posted by: olddog in mo at February 02, 2025 06:46 AM (njnsa)

62 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 02, 2025 06:19 AM (a1415)

The CVR/DFDR data from the Blackhawk is gonna be interesting. I still can't understand why tower didn't tell the CRJ to go around.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 02, 2025 06:46 AM (3Ope8)

63 @46 I suppose, at several points in commercial history, 'we' were in the middle of a more or less productive pissing contest of tarrifry, and something came up that froze the balance for a generation, getting everyone used to a status quo in a trade war.

In high school we had a nice class-length film, not unlike the driver training bleedathons or those VD things, explaining Why It Must Be So. It was for the preservation of certain industries that otherwise would just perish and leave thousands jobless, like large scale shoemaking or shop-built watches -- said the junior senator from Massachusetts, John F. Kennedy.

If you watched this several years after you-know-what, it gave you one more thing to think about Oswald, and the school's film librarian.

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at February 02, 2025 06:46 AM (zdLoL)

64 For anyone on East Coast with clear skies, the light is very pretty.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2025 06:47 AM (rkXer)

65 I saw one of my bunny pals for the first time since Monday.

The juncos were the first birds to arrive, followed by cardinals, then bluebirds.

The squirrels are eating well.

Posted by: fluffy at February 02, 2025 06:48 AM (AN2gy)

66 64 For anyone on East Coast with clear skies, the light is very pretty.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Yep. It is.

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by meow at February 02, 2025 06:50 AM (sAmhv)

67 "Trade war" used to mean "we blockade your major port and shell your pants off until you say uncle and let us sell our crap to you".

Back in the good old days.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 02, 2025 06:52 AM (+iIV1)

68 >>> But if you think Trump is joking about Greenland, the Panama Canal and Canada, you are mistaken.

Canada: He is is prodding them, but they will remain America's Hat.

Panama: Trump is pushing for greater control, maybe just pushing China to back off. Actually taking the canal seems a bit much.

Greenland: Will possibly gain independence from Denmark and come into America's sphere of influence. I think that allowing our NATO ally to maintain some presence would help ease the transition.

Posted by: fluffy at February 02, 2025 06:54 AM (AN2gy)

69 mornin yall.

"Sledgehammers made in China are already slapped with an import tariff of 25 percent when they arrive in the U.S.
An additional tariff will further raise costs for importers likely trickling down to retailers. "

Good thing I already own a couple, and a couple of heads that need handles. I just can't abide expensive sledgehammers.

Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 06:55 AM (vFG9F)

70 Posted by: olddog in mo at February 02, 2025 06:46 AM (njnsa)

Thanks. I guess I just haven't been on those threads. Glad he's o.k.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2025 06:55 AM (MQJVv)

71 >>> Good thing I already own a couple, and a couple of heads that need handles. I just can't abide expensive sledgehammers.

I was annoyed when I bought an axe a couple years ago with a big old American flag sticker on it.

Made in Mexico with hickory grown in America.

Posted by: fluffy at February 02, 2025 06:57 AM (AN2gy)

72 Good morning all y'all.

Posted by: OkJohn at February 02, 2025 06:59 AM (NC/it)

73 Posted by: fluffy at February 02, 2025 06:48 AM (AN2gy

Thanks for the report . Nice to see all the critters.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 02, 2025 07:00 AM (MQJVv)

74 According to the DM "Tariffs would raise the price for those raising a glass of Mexican tequila or Canadian whisky".

Also, Tonka trucks might cost more.

New car prices and oil from Canada might go up. I don't care about new cars anyway, and any oil we get from up there can be replaced domestically. The car companies need to figure that out too.

Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 07:01 AM (vFG9F)

75 "Red sky at morn, sailors take warn" may apply today

Posted by: Huck Follywood at February 02, 2025 07:03 AM (b1Qep)

76 Make sledgehammers great again!

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at February 02, 2025 07:03 AM (dg+HA)

77 It’s a negotiation tactic, the USCMA has to be renegotiated next year.

Trump also applied it to Ford, Caterpillar and other companies that were planning on moving their manufacturing to Mexico.

The problem is that under the Obama/Biden Destroy All The Things plan for the former United States, moving out of the country is a corporate survival tactic. With the Smart Money™ all predicting One Party Rule for the One Thousand Years of Darkness, it made a ton of sense.

Several impediments to restoring domestic manufacturing: sloth, illiteracy, drugs in the labor market, and lack of reliable, cheap energy, and way too high tax, permit and regulation environment.

DOGE is critical to getting the government out, and Drill Baby Drill / AI deals with energy. It would be great if MAHA would make a dent in the drugs and laziness aspect.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at February 02, 2025 07:04 AM (a4flb)

78 G'mornin' everyone!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 02, 2025 07:05 AM (KaBJL)

79 Is anybody surprised that Washington, DC is now the world's rat capital? Do you know why? Climate change!

Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 07:07 AM (vFG9F)

80 Because when I think the opposite of drugs, sloth, and illiteracy I think Mexico.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at February 02, 2025 07:07 AM (dg+HA)

81 According to the DM "Tariffs would raise the price for those raising a glass of Mexican tequila or Canadian whisky".

Government's haul is (on average) $13.50/gallon for distilled spirits, $18 a barrel for beer and between $1 and $3.40 per gallon for wine.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at February 02, 2025 07:07 AM (a4flb)

82 "...and between $1 and $3.40 per gallon for wine."

Whoa. Now you've gone to meddling.

Posted by: Old Lady Emhoff at February 02, 2025 07:09 AM (dg+HA)

83 G'Day everyone
I shouldn't be up yet but seem to be

Posted by: Skip at February 02, 2025 07:09 AM (fwDg9)

84 There's a graphic showing the Blackhawks path down the river and the path of the CRJ at this link: https://tinyurl.com/5ye6u7ud

Assuming the Blackhawk is flying the River 1 route (a VFR route at 200' AGL down the center of the river) there is a big excursion after the bridge followed by a return to the course after passing the north end of the airport.

This leads me to suspect that the Blackhawk may have been on the River 19 visual approach using the DME, descending from about 900' AGL 3 nm north of the airport and then terminated that approach to descend to the River 1 route. I suspect that the excursion after the bridge was to provide spacing for a departure while they were still descending.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 02, 2025 07:10 AM (3Ope8)

85 Because when I think the opposite of drugs, sloth, and illiteracy I think Mexico.

The Mexican labor market is different. There are a lot of women who work the factories because, unlike the men, they don't get in brawls.

Mexico does have a lot of good engineers. But I think the real take-away is the lack of DEI and crushing taxes and regulation in the workplace makes Mexico superior to the former United States.

These are being fixed. The education gap is still going to be a problem when competing against Asian markets. This is where I'm hedging on automation plus the 80/20 rule where the US's 20% creative and STEM component tends to be better than other manufacturing markets.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at February 02, 2025 07:11 AM (a4flb)

86 68, that is Fair, I am not going to go off on something that I think is plausible just to get Internet points lol. We don’t get points here that was a joke.

I disagree with you about the Panama Canal because how did it become so weird that we might want it? We built it. The pan Armenians did nothing. Back it is likely they did do something, but not in the name of the country.. I think the French tried this first and when you look at the French when they do something abroad, they are not screwing around.
We made this thing and it cost our own country tons of lives. Why ever give it to Panama? I recall a few American politicians who had to give their birth certificates and said they were born in the Panama Canal zone. We gave up one of the greatest marvels in the modern world.. no one ever explained why

Posted by: Quint at February 02, 2025 07:12 AM (3WELF)

87 The Propaganda Press is breathlessly reporting Trump administration moves as if American government has been taken over by foreign adversaries.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at February 02, 2025 07:12 AM (MzbjZ)

88 There's a graphic showing the Blackhawks path down the river and the path of the CRJ

One thing I really like about the internet, is through creative use of X and other social media platforms, everyone can be an expert on any topic given a two week period.

Seriously, everything that you put in the post, I wouldn't have known about prior to this event. But through X, we get experts who get right to the point: jargon, culture, personal experience, etc. and we get the view from practitioners, not academics.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at February 02, 2025 07:15 AM (a4flb)

89
We gave up one of the greatest marvels in the modern world.. no one ever explained why

Posted by: Quint at February 02, 2025 07:12 AM

there was a general sense of malaise at the time

Posted by: Jimmy Carter at February 02, 2025 07:15 AM (tljrc)

90 "The Propaganda Press is breathlessly reporting..."

Which is why we ignore them. They're Pravda.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at February 02, 2025 07:18 AM (dg+HA)

91 @ 50 - I dunno a lot of Canadian tariff stuff, but here's one that sticks in the craw of Wisconsin farmers: tariff on cheese made in America is over 200%

and yes,I know "it's more complicated than that", spare me the corrections of my stupid mistakes, o-f'ing-kay?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 02, 2025 07:18 AM (KaBJL)

92 The Propaganda Press is breathlessly reporting Trump administration moves as if American government has been taken over by foreign adversaries.

Perspective, good sir.

The Propaganda Press looks at Heritage America as conquered natives and are treated as slaves and livestock.

The "United States" to them, is a fucked up form of Plato's Republic where many consider themselves Philosopher Kings. The US is Ivy Leagues and Babylon DC. The US Rightful Citizens are the Deep State. You are considered an occupying enemy. The illegal aliens are the people they want to rule.

Ergo, when you depopulate the illegal aliens, that is an act of war to them in purging their Subjects. When DOGE decimates the Babylon DC force, The Enemy (you) are bombing London and Paris.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at February 02, 2025 07:20 AM (a4flb)

93 o, & Happy Groundhog Day!

soon we will know our weather fate ...

going hiking, maybe bbl

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 02, 2025 07:21 AM (KaBJL)

94 That rodent is going to tell us 6 mores weeks of miserable winter

Posted by: Skip at February 02, 2025 07:23 AM (fwDg9)

95 NYS Democrats are trying to delay a special election to replace new UN Ambassador Elise Stephanic in Congress from occurring any time soon, as is required by NY law..The NY Post says the scheming may end only if courts get involved and the purpose is to deny Republicans in the House a vote.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at February 02, 2025 07:24 AM (b1Qep)

96 Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at February 02, 2025 07:15 AM (a4flb)

It's good that you seem to exercise a healthy dose of skepticism. FWIW I have some exposure to aviation (40+ years) in avionics, mechanics, enlisted flight crew on military rotorcraft, private pilot, inspection, QA, engineering. I'm no expert, in fact I'm just a crayon eating jarhead. I just go look at information that's readily available and try to correlate that with what the reporting is.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 02, 2025 07:26 AM (3Ope8)

97 Will Barky's presidential library ever be finished? Will it be a monument to racism? How does one spend $800 million on a building that's designed to look like a ruin? Is this not the story of the Barak Obama presidency?

"A Chicago-based subcontractor is suing one of the firms involved in managing the construction of the Obama Presidential Center for $40 million, claiming racial discriminatory practices forced the firm to do extra work that left it at risk of bankruptcy, according to a lawsuit"

Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 07:27 AM (vFG9F)

98 Happy Groundhog Day

Posted by: rhennigantx at February 02, 2025 07:27 AM (gbOdA)

99 PS whats the diff in a groundhog and a marmot?

Posted by: rhennigantx at February 02, 2025 07:28 AM (gbOdA)

100 To attribute Pilot Error to Blackhawk/DC is to equivocate Driver Error to the LV/Cybertruck bomber.

DC/Blackhawk. Sounding more Fishman-y all the time.
And as pilot of a re-training mission for COG -- where is the culpability of of the evaluation officer? already named, yeah, righteo! clearly no connection.

And of course the POI/pilot was an 'escort' at IceKingJOE's WH, who in all abundance of wisdom removed the requirement that the 'social aide' be single.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_social_aide
A White House social aide is a United States Armed Forces officer assigned to attend to the personal needs of visiting dignitaries at the White House and to facilitate interactions with the President of the United States and the First Lady of the United States.

Posted by: MANFRED the Heat Seeking OBOE at February 02, 2025 07:28 AM (2cPVi)

101 The illegal aliens are the people they want to rule.

Ergo, when you depopulate the illegal aliens, that is an act of war to them in purging their Subjects. When DOGE decimates the Babylon DC force, The Enemy (you) are bombing London and Paris.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at February 02, 2025 07:20 AM (a4flb)

So true. They want a people that need a heavy hand to manage.

Posted by: rhennigantx at February 02, 2025 07:29 AM (gbOdA)

102 This is rich:

Chicago Mayor told the press that Congress should be focusing less on arresting and deporting illegal alien criminals and more on slavery reparations.

I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact Chicago is collapsing under his "leadership". Got to play the Race Card.

But here is the kicker: in his diatribe about slavery and reparations, he, as a black mayor, surrounded by black council members and black top officials concludes "this is what our country would look like had the confederacy won."

Do these people even listen to themselves?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at February 02, 2025 07:30 AM (a4flb)

103 In a nice twist, the LSU younger brother of the former Princeton football player killed in NOLA terror attack was named MVP of last night's Senior Bowl after catching the winning TD pass.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at February 02, 2025 07:31 AM (kygCJ)

104 Back from my workout, cleaned up, having a little pre-breakfast before dashing out to the Walmart for groceries. It was cooler out there than I thought, but fresh and breathable.

If I work it right, I can be back here shortly after the start of the Book Thread, and have my real breakfast then.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 02, 2025 07:33 AM (omVj0)

105 PS whats the diff in a groundhog and a marmot?
Posted by: rhennigantx at February 02, 2025

***
The Dude appreciated a nice marmot?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at February 02, 2025 07:34 AM (omVj0)

106 "And of course the POI/pilot was an 'escort' at IceKingJOE's WH, who in all abundance of wisdom removed the requirement that the 'social aide' be single."

This story is all kinds of f'd up and there are a bunch of people trying to cover their collective ass.

Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 07:36 AM (vFG9F)

107 Morning, Horde...How goes it?

As usual, my cat Penny is snoozing quietly next to me on my desk. She is using my Bible as her pillow.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at February 02, 2025 07:36 AM (BpYfr)

108 The NY Post says Phil foresees winter continuing for six more weeks.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at February 02, 2025 07:36 AM (kygCJ)

109 I've been listening to some of the confirmation hearings and I heard that Hawaii cow of a senator refer to the J6 detainees as 'the J6 Choir'. How did that term come about?

Posted by: Ciampino - somebody sang like a canary? at February 02, 2025 07:43 AM (KjLnc)

110 Another reason we should never listen to Libertarians:

Apparently the Donald has gone Liam Neeson: "WE WILL FIND YOU, AND WE WILL KILL YOU" as he orders an airstrike, in Somalia, allegedly killing ISIS leaders.

Justin Amash whines and says "Congress hasn't authorized war in Somalia - even against ISIS.... President's can't declare war. No Congressional authorization grants the power to target "terrorists" as a general group".

The problem with Amash (other than the fact he had no problem when Presidents not named "Trump" did that, and more) is that the Somalian government partnered with the US and the office of Somalia's government said "Somalia remains resolute in working with its allies to eliminate international terrorism and ensure regional stability".

It wasn't war, it was a joint taskforce invited by the Somalian government.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at February 02, 2025 07:43 AM (a4flb)

111 Ha ha ha. What a bunch of losers.

"Gun Control Activist David Hogg Elected Vice Chair of DNC

’Lets Go Kick Some A**’" he says.

Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 07:44 AM (vFG9F)

112 Will B.O.'s "presidential" library feature his college transcripts?

Magic 8 Ball sez...

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at February 02, 2025 07:45 AM (dg+HA)

113 I've been listening to some of the confirmation hearings and I heard that Hawaii cow of a senator refer to the J6 detainees as 'the J6 Choir'. How did that term come about?

There was literally a choir who made a recording and I believe Trump was in on it (not singing, thankfully).

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at February 02, 2025 07:45 AM (a4flb)

114 Looks like the network TV Sunday morning show producers aren't getting their calls returned by Republicans.

Aside from Miss Lindsey G, looks as if no one wants to be seen or heard.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at February 02, 2025 07:47 AM (KiBMU)

115 What's a network TV Sunday morning show?

Posted by: Most people at February 02, 2025 07:48 AM (dg+HA)

116
Going with the Peet's Sumatran this morning
pairs well with the Vegemite on my English muffin

Posted by: Don Black at February 02, 2025 07:49 AM (AOsQT)

117 Wonderful reporting Breitbart:

"Hogg, who survived the school shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida on February 14, 2018, which left 17 people dead, has advocated for gun control"

He wasn't even there. By that criteria, I'm a survivor and equally qualified to be the DNC Vice Chair. That could work though, because I have plenty of vices.

Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 07:49 AM (vFG9F)

118 There is a deer in my back yard, limping back leg

Posted by: Skip at February 02, 2025 07:50 AM (fwDg9)

119 Every one of you reading this morning is a survivor. Everyone gets shirts.

Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 07:51 AM (vFG9F)

120 the racially conscious and diverse DNC picked two white guys to lead the Party

Posted by: Don Black at February 02, 2025 07:51 AM (AOsQT)

121 He wasn't even there. By that criteria, I'm a survivor and equally qualified to be ...

Apparently that is a checkbox for advancement in the Party, to claim to be a survivor of something that you weren't a part of. Sort of like AOC's rape fantasies during J6 when she wasn't even at the Capitol. Dittos, with claims to have marched alongside MLK in Selma, or survive Sniper fire, or any other action-hero scenario.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at February 02, 2025 07:53 AM (a4flb)

122 I fixed my nic so I will get the appropriate amount of recognition.

Posted by: fd, 2024 survivor at February 02, 2025 07:54 AM (vFG9F)

123 David Hogg found a bloody shirt, and he is gonna monetize the hell out of it

Posted by: Don Black at February 02, 2025 07:55 AM (AOsQT)

124 I fixed my nic so I will get the appropriate amount of recognition.
Posted by: fd, 2024 survivor at February 02, 2025 07:54 AM (vFG9F)

It isn't real until you demand reparations.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at February 02, 2025 07:56 AM (a4flb)

125 What's a network TV Sunday morning show?

Another form annoying infomercial...

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 02, 2025 07:57 AM (3Ope8)

126 "It isn't real until you demand reparations.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure "

I'm getting them in the form of PDT.

Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 07:58 AM (vFG9F)

127 Reparations were paid in full at Antietam.

Posted by: But let's not get that whole discussion started at February 02, 2025 08:00 AM (dg+HA)

128 "What's a network TV Sunday morning show?"

$20, same as the 12-2 AM slot.

Posted by: Bob Acosta at February 02, 2025 08:00 AM (vFG9F)

129 oOPS, jIM.

Posted by: Bob Acosta at February 02, 2025 08:01 AM (vFG9F)

130 Yeah, that's me.

Posted by: Jim Acosta at February 02, 2025 08:02 AM (vFG9F)

131 127 Reparations were paid in full at Antietam.
Posted by: But let's not get that whole discussion started at February 02, 2025 08:00 AM (dg+HA)

Only by half of us. If you're going by shirt color, at least.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 02, 2025 08:03 AM (+iIV1)

132 111 Ha ha ha. What a bunch of losers.

"Gun Control Activist David Hogg Elected Vice Chair of DNC

’Lets Go Kick Some A**’" he says.

Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 07:44 AM (vFG9F)

It's almost like they're trying to be the new GOP.

"How the hell do you expect to win anything like that?!?!?"

"... 'Win'?"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 02, 2025 08:05 AM (+iIV1)

133 Beau died at Antietam.

Posted by: dantesed at February 02, 2025 08:05 AM (Oy/m2)

134 This is an utterly bizarre headline at the NY Post

https://is.gd/vn9Ee4

The article says she had 450 of flight time under her belt. So, was she the pilot?

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at February 02, 2025 08:08 AM (PiwSw)

135 Reparations were paid in full at Antietam.
Posted by: But let's not get that whole discussion started at February 02, 2025 08:00 AM (dg+HA)

Only by half of us. If you're going by shirt color, at least.
Posted by: Warai-otoko
_____________

What is the largest country, by population, that has never had a civil war?

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at February 02, 2025 08:10 AM (Dm8we)

136 It sort of looks like from out here in the cheap seats there is a financial audit of sorts being performed. An independent audit. Things have been running on AUTOPAY for a long time.

Posted by: Common Tater at February 02, 2025 08:12 AM (aRbAR)

137 Fun fact: the CEOs of Nvidia and AMD are cousins.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at February 02, 2025 08:13 AM (0CU3H)

138 I thought Beau died charging up San Juan Hill

Posted by: Skip at February 02, 2025 08:14 AM (fwDg9)

139 115 What's a network TV Sunday morning show?
Posted by: Most people at February 02, 2025 07:48 AM (dg+HA)

Sometimes ago in the late 20th century there were rulers of men from the Kingdoms of York (sometime referred to as New) and the Potomac River Swamp. From there there were broadcast of circuses, and witch burnings, and assorted struggle sessions.
About 15 years ago most people became aware that these were never about the truth, or justice, or even news.

Posted by: rhennigantx at February 02, 2025 08:14 AM (gbOdA)

140 A week of surviving two airplane crashes. And maybe a couple NYC subway muggings. And I survived the California wild fires. All from my La Z Boy in Arkansas. That Hogg kid really came up with something.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at February 02, 2025 08:15 AM (gm9Sb)

141 "Rebecca Lobach served as an escort for Ralph Lauren’s Presidential Medal of Freedom presentation."

Yeah. Ok. This has nothing to do with DEI. She had 450 hours, you guys.

Posted by: fd, 2024 survivor at February 02, 2025 08:16 AM (vFG9F)

142 I thought Beau died charging up San Juan Hill
Posted by: Skip at February 02, 2025 08:14 AM (fwDg9)

He got better then he later died on a beach in Normandy.

Posted by: dantesed at February 02, 2025 08:17 AM (Oy/m2)

143 It sort of looks like from out here in the cheap seats there is a financial audit of sorts being performed. An independent audit. Things have been running on AUTOPAY for a long time.

So that does answer the question I have been asking for some time:

Does a budget really matter because no one is going to deny cashing in a government cheque?

That is, agency X is allocated $4B, but they go ahead and spend $6B, do all the invoices get honored? And the answer appears to be yes, there is no cap to any agency's or deperatment's budget and now it explains where all of this magic money came from to underwrite the Left's adventures, pay-offs, junkets, DEI programs, NGO direct transfers, etc.

What they are also claiming is, that since FEMA, like every other agency, had no caps on spending, FEMA could have provided endless 5-star treatment to the Helena hurricane victims.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at February 02, 2025 08:17 AM (a4flb)

144 Commissioned officers can be good pilots in the Army. But they are usually flying a desk. It’s the Warrant Officers who fly all the time. I preferred always to fly with a crusty maintenance test flight warrant with about 5000 hours.

My logic was, if something bad happens, well he will likely know the systems and capabilities best. If our chestnuts can be pulled out of the fire, he’ll be the one to do it.

Posted by: Common Tater at February 02, 2025 08:17 AM (aRbAR)

145 And Tito was a major battle. There’s no question about that. It’s quoted the number who died there in a small timeframe and it was definitely the worst of the Civil War.. in the battle you had the CSA at its lowest point and you also had union officers who had the CSA plans. Even then the battle was a draw.

Same was Gettysburg for some weird reason everyone thinks Gettysburg was this major turning point in the war. Of Gettysburg like I do my life goal is to be a Gettysburg license battlefield guide I could happily spend the rest of my life talking about Gettysburg to people who are interested.

But Gettysburg was not the defining battle of the Civil War. The Civil War lasted for two more years. If either or me thought Gettysburg solved the problem why would they have gone on for two more years?

I have probably gone to Gettysburg 40 times in my life and I do not live in the area. Wanna know why Gettysburg is famous? Gettysburg is famous because the union army decided it was famous. It was where the union army decided they would their own. I have no problem with that in fact, I love it. But that is why Gettysburg is famous.

Posted by: Quint at February 02, 2025 08:17 AM (xvUBc)

146 BTW, David Hogg is son of an FBI agent and a Broward County teacher.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at February 02, 2025 08:18 AM (gm9Sb)

147 BTW, David Hogg is son of an FBI agent and a Broward County teacher.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at February 02, 2025 08:18 AM (gm9Sb)

There's no need for name-calling, Sir.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at February 02, 2025 08:21 AM (+iIV1)

148 "A week of surviving two airplane crashes. And maybe a couple NYC subway muggings. And I survived the California wild fires. All from my La Z Boy in Arkansas. That Hogg kid really came up with something.
Posted by: bill in arkansas"

It's going to be a dangerous year.

Posted by: fd, 2025 survivor, so far at February 02, 2025 08:21 AM (vFG9F)

149 David Hogg always reminds me of the skinny kid in the Charles Atlas comic book ad for body builders who gets sand kicked in his face and dreams of revenge on the Beach Bully. Hero Of The Beach!

Posted by: Mac at February 02, 2025 08:21 AM (R/m4+)

150 450 hours isn't nothing. Fairly experienced. But, remember, she also had the trainer in the left seat. I have a hard time believing they climbed without realizing it.

Posted by: MkY at February 02, 2025 08:22 AM (cPGH3)

151 We haven't heard the ATC convo with the Hawk.

Posted by: MkY at February 02, 2025 08:23 AM (cPGH3)

152 Yes with no budget, and a currency not tied to anything, a unit of account that is undefined, that’s how you get a federal confetti buck cannon showering spending units far and wide on say, researching the sex lives of treadmill running cockroaches in Honduras. There is practically no limit on the insanity. Most of our problems would never have been possible with a reasonable sane economic system. Choices must be made. Priorities. And wacked out crazy stuff never makes the cut. Look at your own family budget. Food and security comes before sex change ops for illegal aliens on death row for murder, so to speak.

Posted by: Common Tater at February 02, 2025 08:24 AM (aRbAR)

153 Mapes. Yes, a weird headline. Inside instead of the pilot or a crew member, either would make more sense.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at February 02, 2025 08:24 AM (2NHgQ)

154 "450 hours isn't nothing. "

No, it's not. It's 450 more hours than I have. If I had not heard she was also a Biden admin lackey, I might have a softer opinion.

Posted by: fd, 2025 survivor, so far at February 02, 2025 08:25 AM (vFG9F)

155 In the late 60s early 70s the Army had the Warrant Officer Flight Candidate Program, accepting guys even fresh out of high school. There seemed to be an ongoing shortage of UH 1 pilots due to some overseas event.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at February 02, 2025 08:25 AM (gm9Sb)

156 Hiding her identity from the start was an indication of the path this story might take.

Posted by: fd, 2025 survivor, so far at February 02, 2025 08:26 AM (vFG9F)

157 My talk to text missed a few words, but I know the hoard and I know they knew what I was saying. Gettysburg is famous because that is where the union army decided to put monuments around to honor themselves. There are very few confederate monuments at Gettysburg outside of state monuments. The US Army Corps of Engineers put place markers to show where the units were located.

I understand why the union army chose that battlefield too respect themselves. There’s been more written about Gettysburg than any battle. There is questi

to

Posted by: Quint at February 02, 2025 08:27 AM (DFeEq)

158 Thanks for the song, Pixy. Although I'm partial to the Dwight Yoakam version myself.

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at February 02, 2025 08:27 AM (SfhV1)

159 My son got his commercial helo license at 200 hours.

Posted by: MkY at February 02, 2025 08:27 AM (cPGH3)

160 The “reserve currency” status of the dollar put congress in a unique position for decades. Remember they are 36T in the hole. Vegas would have cut them off a long time ago.

They can borrow money from say, China. And then give it to India or Ukraine or the outer Hebrides. And keep a little something for themselves. They want to keep this arrangement very very much.

Posted by: Common Tater at February 02, 2025 08:28 AM (aRbAR)

161 Good morning!

Posted by: gp at February 02, 2025 08:28 AM (P3fKr)

162 "450 hours isn't nothing. "
__________

What does that convert to on average in years of experience? One or two? Just asking.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at February 02, 2025 08:29 AM (Dm8we)

163 If the Army helicopter flight training syllabus is anything like Navy/Jarhead helicopter flight training syllabus, 450 hours total flight time is one thing (she's a relative nugget), 450 hours in type (definitely not a nugget) is something completely different.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 02, 2025 08:30 AM (3Ope8)

164 One of the guys at my HS, two years ahead of me, went into the Army. He had worked part time and managed to get his fixed wing license and some hours. He was accepted into the Army program, and last any of us heard he was flying fixed wing. From what I understand, that's a close knit little group in Army Aviation.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at February 02, 2025 08:31 AM (gm9Sb)

165
"And Tito."
Love the voice-to-text boo boos that don't get caught.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at February 02, 2025 08:32 AM (dg+HA)

166 Everyone thinks Gettysburg was the amazing turning point in the Civil War. I am not here to burst your bubble or tell you you were wrong. But listen to Mead and Lincoln and Lee after Gettysburg. Not a single one of them thought it was a turning point in the Civil War.

The war went on for two more years, and Gettysburg was not relevant to either commanding general. I do say Gettysburg was important and one of the biggest things was union armies, chose to honor themselves on that specific battlefield. You also had Lincoln giving a famous speech on the battlefield. But none of those things can show that Gettysburg was a major turning point in the war and every serious historian will tell you it was not.

Posted by: Quint at February 02, 2025 08:33 AM (KdFno)

167 What I can’t figure out is if there is some scenario where 50 years worth of exported petrodollars that have never circulated in the US could somehow return to compete for goods and services. That would be …. not Optimal

Posted by: Common Tater at February 02, 2025 08:33 AM (aRbAR)

168 Dunno, Biff. Military will fly more than a private pilot.
Took my son 2 years to accumulate his... so 100/year.
My guess is a military pilot would get at least twice those hours.
4 hours /week, 450 hours is still more than two years flying.
But the trainer had over 1000 hours. The ATC was running both military and civilian traffic at the same time. Have to switch frequencies to do that. I'm thinking the screw up was the ATC.
But it's all shear speculation.

Posted by: MkY at February 02, 2025 08:34 AM (cPGH3)

169 163 I had a Skipper, LtCol, that had made the move from helo to fixed wing. Thousands of hours in many types. He had a 76 device on his Air Medal ribbon, most chalked up in CH46s.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at February 02, 2025 08:34 AM (gm9Sb)

170 They can borrow money from say, China. And then give it to India or Ukraine or the outer Hebrides. And keep a little something for themselves. They want to keep this arrangement very very much.
Posted by: Common Tater at February 02, 2025 08:28 AM (aRbAR)

Missed it by *that* much.

Posted by: The Inner Hebrides at February 02, 2025 08:35 AM (PiwSw)

171 165, if I had an alternative, I would drop it right now .I am mega pissed

Posted by: Quint at February 02, 2025 08:35 AM (KdFno)

172 Grant taking Vicksburg was a critical turning point.

Posted by: dantesed at February 02, 2025 08:36 AM (Oy/m2)

173 Interesting Quint, I’ve been to several battlefields but not there. It’s amazing how walking a battlefield gives you insight you don’t get any other way.
But as to why Gettysburg was important, that battle combined with Vicksburg on the same day was the great inflection point of the war; after that, the South was never again a serious offensive threat.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 02, 2025 08:37 AM (Md44Z)

174 One thing that struck me about reading in depth on the Civil War, everyone thought it would be over right away. Why, those Rebs will be crushed at Bull Run. Everyone got in their carriages and drove out to watch, while they had a picnic. Then it was thought by Christmas, the boys will be home.

Well, certainly by 1861, no doubt. Then certainly for SURE by early 1862. And no way later than 1863!!! It’s over. Etc

Posted by: Common Tater at February 02, 2025 08:38 AM (aRbAR)

175 "They can borrow money from say, China. And then give it to India or Ukraine or the outer Hebrides."

It's a write off, Jerry.
They just write it off.

Posted by: Kramer at February 02, 2025 08:38 AM (dg+HA)

176 Question about the female Blackhawk pilot - unrelated to the accident - in case any military pilot types can answer.

There's a photo of her in uniform, in a helo, but her hair is down. Is that because a bun won't fit under the helmet and the military let's them wear it in a non-uniform manner?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at February 02, 2025 08:38 AM (ExV1e)

177 Come see me. Two battles for the price of one.

Posted by: Bull Run at February 02, 2025 08:40 AM (dg+HA)

178 This is hilarious. Trump keeps wrecking Trudeau.

"...Without this massive subsidy, Canada ceases to exist as a viable Country. Harsh but true! Therefore, Canada should become our Cherished 51st State....

Posted by: t-bird at February 02, 2025 08:40 AM (QrkKu)

179 Happy Sunday!!

Coffee is on...

Posted by: Lizzy at February 02, 2025 08:41 AM (WbBbu)

180 "Well, certainly by 1861, no doubt. Then certainly for SURE by early 1862. And no way later than 1863!!! It’s over. Etc."

Sounds like COVID.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at February 02, 2025 08:42 AM (dg+HA)

181 What is the largest country, by population, that has never had a civil war?
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at February 02, 2025 08:10 AM (Dm8we)

Luxembourg.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 02, 2025 08:42 AM (Md44Z)

182 Basically yes. Flight helmets are built to your noggin, the liner itself is fitted to the contours of your skull, various bar fight dents and protuberance. To avoid hot spots. No twat knots or pony tails are going to work

Posted by: Common Tater at February 02, 2025 08:43 AM (aRbAR)

183 >> "450 hours isn't nothing. "
__________

>>What does that convert to on average in years of experience? One or two? Just asking.

I saw that she was a Biden WH aide, so I was wondering - had she been flying much in recent years?

Posted by: Lizzy at February 02, 2025 08:45 AM (WbBbu)

184 173, Tom servo. You should go there because Gettysburg is the most heavily monumented place in America. National war colleges not from this country but from Europe and Africa go to Gettysburg to learn about tactics and history. There is an entire economy based on this you don’t see that at any other battlefield.

It is foolish for a civil war student to bash another and say they are wrong about certain things. It is better to encourage someone to learn a little bit more just because we are all learning. In my opinion, Gettysburg became famous after the war not during the war. There were two more years of fighting and the union army, and the northern cause was at its nadir long after Gettysburg. You had the wilderness campaign, and also Lincoln trying to be reelected. Lincoln thought he was toasted because of the horrible losses. His own army kept him in office and made history.

Posted by: Quint at February 02, 2025 08:46 AM (Yp3q4)

185 WWII also went on for more than two years after Stalingrad, and almost two after Kursk. But it's hard to deny their significance. Just saying the amount of time it went on afterwards is not necessarily a good indicator.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at February 02, 2025 08:46 AM (Dm8we)

186 Was sge the trainer or the trainee?

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at February 02, 2025 08:47 AM (0JWOm)

187 I apologize for all my typos and mistakes tonight. Of course, military national war colleges from this country go to Gettysburg. In fact, you would be surprised by how many different organizations go to Gettysburg to study leadership and many other important skills. Gettysburg may be our countries national shrine, the place we all meet to learn more about ourselves.

Posted by: Quint at February 02, 2025 08:48 AM (Yp3q4)

188 >>186 Was sge the trainer or the trainee?

She may have been the pilot-at-the-controls, but she wasn't the pilot-in-command for the flight. The male CWO was.

Posted by: one hour sober at February 02, 2025 08:49 AM (Y1sOo)

189 I was beginning to think Quint lived in Vermont

Posted by: Accomack at February 02, 2025 08:49 AM (w9ItN)

190 “we're opening POLITICOEurope Pub — a hub for insider access from newsmaker interviews to the latest conference gossip.”

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Posted by: 13times at February 02, 2025 08:49 AM (U54PZ)

191 185, that is fair and I wanna be clear here. I don’t claim to be the decision-maker when it comes to the Civil War. I have studied this issue for decades, and I’m only telling you what mainstream historians say. The famous historian from UVA. Gary Gallagher said if anyone asked you to say what battle decided the Civil War he would tell you to write in Gettysburg. Then after you pass the test, he would tell you why that was not the case.

Posted by: Quint at February 02, 2025 08:51 AM (ES7gZ)

192 G' morning

I got locked out of my house and had to sleep on my garage floor.

That probably explains why I woke up so oily this morning.

Posted by: muldoon at February 02, 2025 08:53 AM (/iMjX)

193 I get what you're saying about Gettysburg. My only point was the time thing. I suppose you could argue taking Atlanta was more important since it may well have turned the 1864 election.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at February 02, 2025 08:54 AM (Dm8we)

194 . Then after you pass the test, he would tell you why that was not the case.
Posted by: Quint

What a great line. We have CW placards (memorials?) here in KCMo referring to the running battles of Gen'l Price... as though they made an itoa of difference in the big scheme of things.
I believe I recall reading that what did happen here convinced Lee to surrender rather than fight a guerilla war.

Posted by: MkY at February 02, 2025 08:54 AM (cPGH3)

195 Antietam is sobering in a way that Gettysburg is not. Nothing commercial about it at all. Gettysburg, unfortunately, has been turned into Jellystone Park.

Posted by: Life of Wryly at February 02, 2025 08:55 AM (1FWWQ)

196 173, Tom servo, that is true it was an incredible one to punch. The problem is you can’t look backwards and no one told the north they were for sure to win. The weird thing about the Civil War is it was the union that likely was going to lose. They only won because they did not give up the fight. You can go back to war through history, even including our own revolutionary war, where the larger army simply gives up because they are sick of it.

Posted by: Quint at February 02, 2025 08:55 AM (/9psw)

197 Posted by: Common Tater at February 02, 2025 08:43 AM (aRbAR)

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Posted by: I used to have a different nic at February 02, 2025 08:56 AM (ExV1e)

198 Good morning, everyone.

My $0.02, went camping up near the Shilo battlefield, then went through it the next day. That was a horrific environment for both sides fighting down in that shallow bowl with artillery and mortar fire. Then the river boats with mortars, and the fight to get to the top of the ridge where the church is.

Local North Alabama Field Artillery Association does regular annual history and technical battlefield walks of our locale. Last fall was Lookout Mountain in Chattannooga

Posted by: BifBewalski at February 02, 2025 08:57 AM (MsrgL)

199 Ordinarily a Black Hawk has 2 pilots and a crew chief. He was sitting on the right side most likely.

A second crew chief perhaps could have avoided this collision, he would have been looking for traffic out the left side. This will come out in the investigation, and would seem reasonable recommendation when operating at the busiest airport around.

Posted by: Common Tater at February 02, 2025 08:58 AM (aRbAR)

200 BOOK NOOD

Posted by: Skip at February 02, 2025 08:59 AM (fwDg9)

201 Pilot sits on right. Trainer would have been left seat.

Posted by: MkY at February 02, 2025 09:00 AM (cPGH3)

202 More than once I have glanced up into the cockpit to see both pilots, head down inside the acft poring over the map at night. Somebody needs to be looking out the front at all times. Somebody needs to be looking for traffic at all times. I hated it, because there is no way to know what other aircraft are really going to do.

Posted by: Common Tater at February 02, 2025 09:01 AM (aRbAR)

203 I believe I recall reading that what did happen here convinced Lee to surrender rather than fight a guerilla war.

Posted by: MkY

The guerilla warfar fought there is very frightening to consider. It'll happen nationwide if the Donks ever get close again.

Posted by: BifBewalski at February 02, 2025 09:02 AM (MsrgL)

204 195 is Gettysburg lover I am going to allow this. There is something about antietam and for sure there is a difference. The irony for sure is it was worse at Gettysburg 50 or 60 years ago when they had a tram and an observation tower. You could do an entire history on the history of Gettysburg. That’s a crazy it is. I think I heard they’re over 10,000 books in the modern library database. This was three days of the war.

You’ll never hear me question the importance of Gettysburg but to me it is about studying true movements, leadership, etc. This is why groups from around the world go to Gettysburg. It is kind of our national laboratory. I’ll be that guy and I will say Gettysburg for sure was not what decided the word because everything you read and see shows it was not. It was important and I cherish every moment I spend on that battlefield.

Posted by: Quint at February 02, 2025 09:10 AM (AraSZ)

205 I guess we all died a little in that damn war.

Posted by: Josey Wales at February 02, 2025 09:11 AM (27lY6)

206 Damn right

Posted by: Quint at February 02, 2025 09:12 AM (AraSZ)

207 I enjoy this column so much, even though I have no idea what you're talking about 80% of tge time.

Thank you very much for doing this every day!

Posted by: Misanthropic at February 02, 2025 09:16 AM (9UnaD)

208 I remember my first visit to Gettysburg. We camped nearby, and it was a fantastic visit. Had just finished reading "Killer Angels" for the first time and seeing the battlefield made a big impression on me. Visiting Antietam was for me a much more sobering visit, given the more constrained space and the amazing destruction of life. Gettysburg may have the most casualties of any battle in our history but Antietam, being the bloodiest single day, is one helluva thing to consider.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at February 02, 2025 09:26 AM (CCSnP)

209 Oblivious to the fact that this fact directly counters a critical Democratic talking point

Which one?

Posted by: Gran at February 02, 2025 09:47 AM (kycfo)

210 Q: How many of you voted for iceKingJOE?
Let ALONE voted for him pimping out Military Officers to sate the personal the needs of his Global Elite guests?

...And of course the POI/pilot was an 'escort' at IceKingJOE's WH, who in all abundance of wisdom removed the requirement that the 'social aide' be single.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_social_aide
A White House social aide is a United States Armed Forces officer assigned to attend to the personal needs of visiting dignitaries at the White House and to facilitate interactions with the President of the United States and the First Lady of the United States.

Posted by: MANFRED the Heat Seeking OBOE at February 02, 2025 11:37 AM (QuUyy)

211 Naturally, there is no mention by SFGate of Andy Ngo's extraordinary work uncovering and tying the pieces together. We owe him a lot for exposing the organization and network behind Antifa and the trannies embedded in Antifa. Dude is a legit journalist, and has been tireless in exposing their shit.

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