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Gun Thread: February! It's February Edition!
FUNdamentals
Q: Weasel, why do we focus on fundamentals?
A: We focus on fundamentals to build good, solid and repeatable habits and muscle memory.
Hickok45 - Too Valuable to Shoot? I'd like to hear what all y'all think about this. Do you shoot everything you own, or do you have some firearms you consider too valuable to risk taking to the range? Does monetary value alone make the difference or are there other reasons you would consider a weapon too valuable to shoot? A family heirloom, for example? What sort of adverse things do you think might happen to a valuable gun if you take it to the range and shoot it, aside from losing it altogether, assuming the correct ammunition is used?
RCBS - How Reloading Dies Are Made
Israeli Bandage (or Dressing)
Everyone should have one in their safety kit or range bag, but do you know how to use it?
This Book Has Lots of Pictures
Highway Patrol!
Our Pal Atomic Physics
The Wizard of Mars!
I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
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Comments
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Bango
Posted by: Eromero at February 02, 2025 07:00 PM (LHPAg)
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Top 10?
Posted by: Coelacanth at February 02, 2025 07:01 PM (hNXse)
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Yay! Gubs!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 02, 2025 07:01 PM (Wnv9h)
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And … I’m here.
Posted by: RI Red at February 02, 2025 07:01 PM (SWLyd)
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'Sup, Red?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 02, 2025 07:02 PM (Wnv9h)
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Pew pew!
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at February 02, 2025 07:02 PM (OX9vb)
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Not First!!!!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 02, 2025 07:03 PM (0XVad)
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Almost late
Posted by: GWB at February 02, 2025 07:03 PM (hzHvq)
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Top 20?
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 02, 2025 07:03 PM (ULXRJ)
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Bongo
Posted by: Bingo at February 02, 2025 07:03 PM (vFG9F)
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Thanks again, Weasel!
I'd be loathe to shoot a parts correct M1 Garand. I might put a couple of rounds through it just because, but, yeah, I wouldn't shoot it on a regular basis.
Which is why I own CMP refurbished.
I'd be loathe to shoot a parts correct M1 Garand. I might put a couple of rounds through it just because, but, yeah, I wouldn't shoot it on a regular basis.
Which is why I own CMP refurbished.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at February 02, 2025 07:03 PM (tT6L1)
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7 Not First!!!!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 02, 2025 07:03 PM
*notes comment number*
No. No, you are not.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 02, 2025 07:03 PM
*notes comment number*
No. No, you are not.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 02, 2025 07:04 PM (Wnv9h)
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Gunthusiasts
Posted by: Ben Had at February 02, 2025 07:04 PM (mB6WH)
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This is the gun thread, not the golf thread.
Though, it might be possible to turn Bingo, Bango, Bongo into a shooting game.
Hmmmmm
Though, it might be possible to turn Bingo, Bango, Bongo into a shooting game.
Hmmmmm
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at February 02, 2025 07:05 PM (tT6L1)
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RMBS, what a wierd week.
Just got back from doing a new ladder test on the .308.
Just got back from doing a new ladder test on the .308.
Posted by: RI Red at February 02, 2025 07:05 PM (SWLyd)
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Hola, RI Red. How did the ladder test go? Were these tests with the boolits your rifle seems to despise?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at February 02, 2025 07:06 PM (tT6L1)
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Ahhh February. That much more closer to the TXMoMe. :-)
No range report. I do know I will be hitting the range around Feb 17 when I am down in San Antonio. Just handguns.
Looking forward to it.
No range report. I do know I will be hitting the range around Feb 17 when I am down in San Antonio. Just handguns.
Looking forward to it.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 02, 2025 07:06 PM (0XVad)
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Hard to believe it's already February.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 02, 2025 07:06 PM (DvLTT)
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RMBS, what a wierd week.
Just got back from doing a new ladder test on the .308.
Posted by: RI Red at February 02, 2025 07:05 PM
How'd it do?
Just got back from doing a new ladder test on the .308.
Posted by: RI Red at February 02, 2025 07:05 PM
How'd it do?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 02, 2025 07:06 PM (Wnv9h)
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12 12 7 Not First!!!!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 02, 2025 07:03 PM
*notes comment number*
No. No, you are not.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 02, 2025 07:04 PM
Tis a blinding case of the obvious. LUL
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 02, 2025 07:03 PM
*notes comment number*
No. No, you are not.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 02, 2025 07:04 PM
Tis a blinding case of the obvious. LUL
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 02, 2025 07:07 PM (0XVad)
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Dang.
Watching the news.
They found some drug smugglers also bringing in an RPG with rounds for it. Impressive in and of itself, but whoever these clowns are, they take care of their weapons. Damn thing looked new.
Watching the news.
They found some drug smugglers also bringing in an RPG with rounds for it. Impressive in and of itself, but whoever these clowns are, they take care of their weapons. Damn thing looked new.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 02, 2025 07:07 PM (W/lyH)
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Tis a blinding case of the obvious. LUL
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 02, 2025 07:07 PM
Sounds like a case for the Cap'n.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 02, 2025 07:07 PM
Sounds like a case for the Cap'n.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 02, 2025 07:08 PM (Wnv9h)
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Thank you, Weasel. Again, lurking for the knowledge.
I own a DVD copy of that Wizard of Mars movie, lol. It was also called "Horrors of the Red Planet." It was filmed in Lehman Caves in Great Basin National Park, which is a beautiful place in BFE, Nevada.
I own a DVD copy of that Wizard of Mars movie, lol. It was also called "Horrors of the Red Planet." It was filmed in Lehman Caves in Great Basin National Park, which is a beautiful place in BFE, Nevada.
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 07:09 PM (ytIDq)
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Hello, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at February 02, 2025 07:10 PM (AiJK3)
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"The Wizard of Mars" is also known as "Watching Paint Dry."
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 02, 2025 07:10 PM (CHHv1)
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Again, lurking for the knowledge.
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 07:09 PM
This would be the right place for that.
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 07:09 PM
This would be the right place for that.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 02, 2025 07:11 PM (Wnv9h)
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Blake, I ran out of 150 grain boolets and decided not to waste my allowance on failure.
However, I was at one of my LGSs yesterday and there was a box of Hornady Match BTHP.
So I worked my math magic for some ideas and shot today. Got a good grouping node that was .755 with one flyer.
Worth investigating.
However, I was at one of my LGSs yesterday and there was a box of Hornady Match BTHP.
So I worked my math magic for some ideas and shot today. Got a good grouping node that was .755 with one flyer.
Worth investigating.
Posted by: RI Red at February 02, 2025 07:11 PM (SWLyd)
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22 Sounds like a case for the Cap'n.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 02, 2025 07:08 PM
Pardon? Captain my Captain? :-p
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 02, 2025 07:08 PM
Pardon? Captain my Captain? :-p
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 02, 2025 07:11 PM (0XVad)
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Been hitting the range once a week since Dec. Getting expensive, but really improved my accuracy with the practice. Also, its a ton of fun.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 02, 2025 07:12 PM (b4o9z)
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I'd like to hear what all y'all think about this. Do you shoot everything you own, or do you have some firearms you consider too valuable to risk taking to the range?
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For me, it's a question of ammo prices. Some calibers are really hard to find, and very expensive.
My daughter adores the Arisaka, but I do not enjoy spending $3 per round - when I can even find it.
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For me, it's a question of ammo prices. Some calibers are really hard to find, and very expensive.
My daughter adores the Arisaka, but I do not enjoy spending $3 per round - when I can even find it.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 07:12 PM (ZOv7s)
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Hello Weasel, hello Horde...and congrats to Mr E on being first tonight. Nicely done.
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at February 02, 2025 07:13 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I shoot everything I own. Even the HK P7 that was unfired when I got it. Prob shouldn't have, but I couldn't help myself.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 02, 2025 07:13 PM (b4o9z)
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Scoobs!
Posted by: RI Red at February 02, 2025 07:14 PM (SWLyd)
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Good evening Horde. Thanks Weasel. Appreciate the content.
Posted by: TRex at February 02, 2025 07:14 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I have a CMP M1 Garand. Nice gun, fun to shoot, and quite accurate.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at February 02, 2025 07:14 PM (XMwZJ)
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Willowed: 355 Absalute torture reading a food thread after a stroke and eating Soft tuff for a week.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at February 02, 2025 07:06 PM (5ueg9)
AZ dm, you had a stroke?? Prayers up for you, my friend. Glad you are with us.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at February 02, 2025 07:06 PM (5ueg9)
AZ dm, you had a stroke?? Prayers up for you, my friend. Glad you are with us.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at February 02, 2025 07:14 PM (OX9vb)
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Dang.
Watching the news.
They found some drug smugglers also bringing in an RPG with rounds for it. Impressive in and of itself, but whoever these clowns are, they take care of their weapons. Damn thing looked new.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 02, 2025 07:07 PM (W/lyH)
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Probably fresh from CIA's warehouse.
Watching the news.
They found some drug smugglers also bringing in an RPG with rounds for it. Impressive in and of itself, but whoever these clowns are, they take care of their weapons. Damn thing looked new.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 02, 2025 07:07 PM (W/lyH)
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Probably fresh from CIA's warehouse.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 07:15 PM (ZOv7s)
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So I worked my math magic for some ideas and shot today. Got a good grouping node that was .755 with one flyer.
Worth investigating.
Posted by: RI Red at February 02, 2025 07:11 PM (SWLyd)
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Super groovy. .755 is great, considering the heartache you've encountered while working up loads.
For what it's worth, the Hornady 30 Cal 174 Gr ELD VT might be worth looking into. I'm getting some excellent results with it.
Worth investigating.
Posted by: RI Red at February 02, 2025 07:11 PM (SWLyd)
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Super groovy. .755 is great, considering the heartache you've encountered while working up loads.
For what it's worth, the Hornady 30 Cal 174 Gr ELD VT might be worth looking into. I'm getting some excellent results with it.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at February 02, 2025 07:15 PM (tT6L1)
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I have a CMP M1 Garand. Nice gun, fun to shoot, and quite accurate.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at February 02, 2025 07:14 PM (XMwZJ)
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CMP has 1911A1s in stock again. I'm not in the market, but they have them in March, I may make a move.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at February 02, 2025 07:14 PM (XMwZJ)
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CMP has 1911A1s in stock again. I'm not in the market, but they have them in March, I may make a move.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 07:16 PM (ZOv7s)
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My daughter adores the Arisaka, but I do not enjoy spending $3 per round - when I can even find it.
At that level, the payback on a minimal reloading setup gets pretty short. IIRC, the 7.7 Japanese uses like a .311 bullet which might be a little hard to find just on its own.
At that level, the payback on a minimal reloading setup gets pretty short. IIRC, the 7.7 Japanese uses like a .311 bullet which might be a little hard to find just on its own.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 02, 2025 07:16 PM (/y8xj)
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Howdy!
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at February 02, 2025 07:17 PM (sAmhv)
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In regards to the question would you fire a valuable weapon, it depends on the condition of said firearm.
A well worn 1911 from WW1, maybe just maybe a couple shots. Would rather have it on display and not risk breaking it.
My newer handguns that were quite pricey? As many rounds as possible.
A well worn 1911 from WW1, maybe just maybe a couple shots. Would rather have it on display and not risk breaking it.
My newer handguns that were quite pricey? As many rounds as possible.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 02, 2025 07:17 PM (0XVad)
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Loaded my first .38 Specials this week, 148 grain Berry's Bullets double-ended wadcutters. Got down to the farm too late today to shoot, but raring to try them out tomorrow.
Amazing the teeny tiny amount of powder in a charge, and the very narrow range from minimum to maximum recommended load.
Amazing the teeny tiny amount of powder in a charge, and the very narrow range from minimum to maximum recommended load.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 02, 2025 07:17 PM (ULXRJ)
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Good evening everyone
Glad it's the gun thread because working on my worst pizza ever. Guess I can blame it on the tariffs on Canada
Glad it's the gun thread because working on my worst pizza ever. Guess I can blame it on the tariffs on Canada
Posted by: Skip at February 02, 2025 07:17 PM (fwDg9)
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RI Red!!! How is it up North? Battling the snow gnomes? Wondering if the oil you use on your firearms are gumming up in the freezing temps? LOL
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 02, 2025 07:18 PM (0XVad)
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Gub!
Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 02, 2025 07:19 PM (mH6SG)
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And finally I have a range report. Last visit was Dec 8, so there was some consideration that it may take some time to get back where I left off - but that was not a concern. Reviewed Weasel's handy dandy list of fundamentals and I was very pleased with the results. So, there is actually some muscle memory that has developed.
Next session (Friday) will be moving the target out further and practicing a double tap drill.
And I was very happy to be back at the range!
Next session (Friday) will be moving the target out further and practicing a double tap drill.
And I was very happy to be back at the range!
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at February 02, 2025 07:19 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Grateful, good news and Cheers!
Posted by: Ben Had at February 02, 2025 07:20 PM (mB6WH)
Posted by: retropox at February 02, 2025 07:21 PM (ww7c1)
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47 And I was very happy to be back at the range!
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at February 02, 2025 07:19 PM
I have not been to a range since October. Lets see how I do when I finally do go. :-)
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at February 02, 2025 07:19 PM
I have not been to a range since October. Lets see how I do when I finally do go. :-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 02, 2025 07:22 PM (0XVad)
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Wikipedia to the rescue. Apparently the 7.7 Jap uses the same bullet as the .303 Brit. Norma still supplies brass. So maybe not as big a problem as I imagined.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 02, 2025 07:22 PM (/y8xj)
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ScaryMary, I lurked for years when I lived in CA. You will learn alot by doing so, and you will then be able to apply and learn more at the TXMoMe. Can't wait to meet you.
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at February 02, 2025 07:22 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Good evening everyone.
Thanks to our host Weasel, as always watching out for us as well as giving us a place to talk gubs.
Thanks to our host Weasel, as always watching out for us as well as giving us a place to talk gubs.
Posted by: Chappyman66 at February 02, 2025 07:23 PM (ga83k)
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"The Wizard of Mars" is also known as "Watching Paint Dry."
Posted by: BeckoningChasm"
It's no "Prince of Space".
Posted by: BeckoningChasm"
It's no "Prince of Space".
Posted by: Krankor at February 02, 2025 07:23 PM (vFG9F)
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My range remains woefully empty. No pigs .
Posted by: Ben Had at February 02, 2025 07:23 PM (mB6WH)
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Evening all.
Range Report!
The MGC had a Saturday meetup for a change. Me, Iris, Ed L, Blaster and Sra Blaster. 1911 day primarily but I wanted to shoot the Glocks first. I started with the new one with the green dot and my first few shots were off the mark, again low and left. I remembered the video about making sure the sight came straight off the arm so concentrated on that and Voila! Success. Fundamentals! Surprsingly, I shot the old Glock without an optic even better. I really love that gun.
Then moved to the Kimber 1911 and it was just fun.
Couldn;t stop smiling for the rest of the afternoon.
Range Report!
The MGC had a Saturday meetup for a change. Me, Iris, Ed L, Blaster and Sra Blaster. 1911 day primarily but I wanted to shoot the Glocks first. I started with the new one with the green dot and my first few shots were off the mark, again low and left. I remembered the video about making sure the sight came straight off the arm so concentrated on that and Voila! Success. Fundamentals! Surprsingly, I shot the old Glock without an optic even better. I really love that gun.
Then moved to the Kimber 1911 and it was just fun.
Couldn;t stop smiling for the rest of the afternoon.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 02, 2025 07:23 PM (t/2Uw)
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{{{Ben Had}}}, if I was drinking I'd toast you!
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at February 02, 2025 07:23 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I learned a lesson today. Something I had never come across before.
The 176 g boolets were much longer than my Sierra 168s and 175s.
I used the same ogive meausurement 2.205”.
When I got to the range the rounds jammed in the mag. Just a tad too long; I didn’t even think about case over all length.
D,oh.
So I chambered one round, ejected the mag and put 1 in the mag and reinserted.
So, my AR 10 was a 2 round gun.
Sad.
The 176 g boolets were much longer than my Sierra 168s and 175s.
I used the same ogive meausurement 2.205”.
When I got to the range the rounds jammed in the mag. Just a tad too long; I didn’t even think about case over all length.
D,oh.
So I chambered one round, ejected the mag and put 1 in the mag and reinserted.
So, my AR 10 was a 2 round gun.
Sad.
Posted by: RI Red at February 02, 2025 07:24 PM (SWLyd)
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BTW, Weasel, you should post this thread every hour until the ONT.
It IS Groundhog Day, after all.
It IS Groundhog Day, after all.
Posted by: GWB at February 02, 2025 07:25 PM (hzHvq)
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So, range report: Saturday was a match day, 500 yard and 1,000 yard. Friday, as is my want, I went out to do some checking on some of my loads. I found the results to be less than desirable, 178 grain Hornady ELD M handloads. Match day I switched to my tried and true 174 Grain ELD VT loads and proceeded to do quite well. (I know the neck tension on the 178 ELD M's isn't where it needs to be. Bunch of cartridges I loaded before I figured out what was going on)
Incredible match format: 6 shots, no timer, @ the 500 yard rack, shoot at then move, not shoot until hit then move. This cost me, but, it worked out. From there were transitioned to 1,000 yards, same 6 shot format.
I didn't do as well at the 500 yards as I should have, due to getting caught up in shoot until hit then move, but, did okay, in the end. The thousand yard plates though, went quite well. Hit the 10" plate with the second shot, transitioned to the 5" hit it then took the obligatory shot at the 2.5 inch plate and missed, went back to the 10" and put my last two shots on it. To say I was thrilled is an understatement.
Incredible match format: 6 shots, no timer, @ the 500 yard rack, shoot at then move, not shoot until hit then move. This cost me, but, it worked out. From there were transitioned to 1,000 yards, same 6 shot format.
I didn't do as well at the 500 yards as I should have, due to getting caught up in shoot until hit then move, but, did okay, in the end. The thousand yard plates though, went quite well. Hit the 10" plate with the second shot, transitioned to the 5" hit it then took the obligatory shot at the 2.5 inch plate and missed, went back to the 10" and put my last two shots on it. To say I was thrilled is an understatement.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at February 02, 2025 07:25 PM (tT6L1)
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AZ Deplorable, did I read correctly? Did you have a stroke? If so, prayers for a quick and complete recovery.
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at February 02, 2025 07:26 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I was lucky enough to take my grandson to the range this week.
He loves the 22LR Winchester gallery pump, and also wanted to try the Rossi 92 (I had him run 38s).
For pistols, I brought the Star 9mm which he handled just fine, and the 1911A1 (newish Taylor &Sons) which was a little less successful.
He loves the 22LR Winchester gallery pump, and also wanted to try the Rossi 92 (I had him run 38s).
For pistols, I brought the Star 9mm which he handled just fine, and the 1911A1 (newish Taylor &Sons) which was a little less successful.
Posted by: Chappyman66 at February 02, 2025 07:26 PM (ga83k)
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Grateful, you read correctly.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 02, 2025 07:27 PM (mB6WH)
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It would/ could be worse on Groundhog Day every comment would be a first and none logged in permanently
Posted by: Skip at February 02, 2025 07:27 PM (fwDg9)
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It would/ could be worse on Groundhog Day every comment would be a first and none logged in permanently
Posted by: Skip at February 02, 2025 07:27 PM
Groundhogs wouldn't survive here. It is the Gub Thread after all.
Posted by: Skip at February 02, 2025 07:27 PM
Groundhogs wouldn't survive here. It is the Gub Thread after all.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 02, 2025 07:29 PM (Wnv9h)
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Oops. Hornadys are 178 g.
Blake, good shooting! I’ll look at the ELDs.
Blake, good shooting! I’ll look at the ELDs.
Posted by: RI Red at February 02, 2025 07:30 PM (SWLyd)
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BBL. Dinner.
Posted by: RI Red at February 02, 2025 07:31 PM (SWLyd)
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Today was Groundhog Day? Did he see his shadow? I'm pretty sick of winter.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 02, 2025 07:31 PM (t/2Uw)
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Posted by: Chappyman66 at February 02, 2025 07:26 PM (ga83k)
How do you like the Rossi 92? I'm thinking about something like that for my next purchase.
How do you like the Rossi 92? I'm thinking about something like that for my next purchase.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 02, 2025 07:32 PM (ULXRJ)
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Very pleased with good range time today. Had been a while but no rust to speak of. Lots of consistent shots. Fliers are more rare (and pop up when I'm trying something different). My grip breaks down with multiple shots, so that's the near term project. Good to get back into the groove.
Posted by: TRex at February 02, 2025 07:32 PM (IQ6Gq)
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No crossbows?
Posted by: Boss Moss at February 02, 2025 07:32 PM (KWujZ)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 02, 2025 07:33 PM (Wnv9h)
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40 My daughter adores the Arisaka, but I do not enjoy spending $3 per round - when I can even find it.
At that level, the payback on a minimal reloading setup gets pretty short. IIRC, the 7.7 Japanese uses like a .311 bullet which might be a little hard to find just on its own.
Posted by: Oddbob
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6.5 Arisaka is kind of an odd duck being both semi rimmed cases, metford rifling, and the original bullet was long and a bit smaller than the nominal .264 that the Swedes use for their 6.5 Mauser.
The 7.7 Arisaka uses the same fmj bullets that a .303 Brit or even a Mosin does. Accuracy may vary based on bore wear.
You can get away with it in an Argentian 7.65 Mauser which nominally shoots .313 bullets.
Mail order Prvi in both 6.5 and 7.7 Arisaka are available from time to time at decent prices. Their are also rare runs that Hornady has done for Grafs and Sons, sources for Arisaka. Norma also makes the 6.5 Arisaka but unless they changed their tolerances (they apparently used an out of spec case to base their brass upon), accuracy is mediocre at best despite nose bleed prices.
At that level, the payback on a minimal reloading setup gets pretty short. IIRC, the 7.7 Japanese uses like a .311 bullet which might be a little hard to find just on its own.
Posted by: Oddbob
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6.5 Arisaka is kind of an odd duck being both semi rimmed cases, metford rifling, and the original bullet was long and a bit smaller than the nominal .264 that the Swedes use for their 6.5 Mauser.
The 7.7 Arisaka uses the same fmj bullets that a .303 Brit or even a Mosin does. Accuracy may vary based on bore wear.
You can get away with it in an Argentian 7.65 Mauser which nominally shoots .313 bullets.
Mail order Prvi in both 6.5 and 7.7 Arisaka are available from time to time at decent prices. Their are also rare runs that Hornady has done for Grafs and Sons, sources for Arisaka. Norma also makes the 6.5 Arisaka but unless they changed their tolerances (they apparently used an out of spec case to base their brass upon), accuracy is mediocre at best despite nose bleed prices.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 07:33 PM (ctrM5)
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I have a Colt Python (from many years ago) that is a special edition, commemorating the Revenooers and the Moonshiners, with lots of gold inlay. Old Paco, who worked for the ATF when its main job was chasing bootleggers (and when, in fact, it was a unit within the Treasury department), acquired several of these special edition Colts (a couple of Pythons, and a couple of 1911s), and he passed one of the revolvers on to me. His badge number is engraved on the barrel, and the Colt medallion on the right side of the grip has been replaced with a section of his last badge. I don't shoot that one.
Posted by: Paco at February 02, 2025 07:33 PM (mADJX)
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@Sharon, sounds like you all had a great time and did some fine shooting.
Excellent to hear you're back at the range.
Excellent to hear you're back at the range.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at February 02, 2025 07:34 PM (tT6L1)
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Didn't make it to the range this week as I locked myself out of my apartment and missed our rendezvous.
Right now, there's a bunch of Mexicans marching up and down Alki Ave demanding something. They are making a shitton of noise and annoying tf out of me.
How about I sling an AR over my shoulder and put on my MAGA hat and go for a stroll?
Oh great. Now sirens. Surprise surprise.
Right now, there's a bunch of Mexicans marching up and down Alki Ave demanding something. They are making a shitton of noise and annoying tf out of me.
How about I sling an AR over my shoulder and put on my MAGA hat and go for a stroll?
Oh great. Now sirens. Surprise surprise.
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 02, 2025 07:34 PM (mT+6a)
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I do not shoot certain guns, only because I lucked into a couple commemorative editions in the boxes that were new or very shiny. One Winchester 30-30 (not especially collectable, but still....) and one special 10-22 for a corporate collectable.
My father's original Colt 1911A1 from 1918 has been essentially retired as well.
But the list of non-shooters is relatively short.......
My father's original Colt 1911A1 from 1918 has been essentially retired as well.
But the list of non-shooters is relatively short.......
Posted by: Chappyman66 at February 02, 2025 07:35 PM (ga83k)
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As I knew last night tje little rodent would see his shadow and 6 more miserable weeks of winter. It's all predetermined
Posted by: Skip at February 02, 2025 07:35 PM (fwDg9)
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I normally won't shoot firearms that are 1) in high condition with finishes that are easily prone to wear (EX: Colt "bright blue" finished M1911A1s pre-WWII), 2) were made with steel pre-1950 or so (due to the risk of potential damage from out of spec overpressure ammo), or 3) are all original parts and difficult or impossible to repair or replace, especially for a high condition firearm. Even though I could shoot an early M1911 quite a bit, breaking or damaging a part will greatly reduce that firearm's value because a gun (especially a collector's item) is original only once.
Posted by: Ed L at February 02, 2025 07:35 PM (AiJK3)
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ScaryMary, I lurked for years when I lived in CA. You will learn alot by doing so, and you will then be able to apply and learn more at the TXMoMe. Can't wait to meet you.
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady
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Thank you Grateful! I feel ashamed for not shooting more😳
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady
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Thank you Grateful! I feel ashamed for not shooting more😳
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 07:35 PM (ytIDq)
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60 The thousand yard plates though, went quite well. ... To say I was thrilled is an understatement.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at February 02, 2025 07:25 PM
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Nice! Congrats!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at February 02, 2025 07:25 PM
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Nice! Congrats!
Posted by: TRex at February 02, 2025 07:36 PM (IQ6Gq)
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58 I learned a lesson today. Something I had never come across before.
The 176 g boolets were much longer than my Sierra 168s and 175s.
I used the same ogive meausurement 2.205”.
When I got to the range the rounds jammed in the mag. Just a tad too long; I didn’t even think about case over all length.
D,oh.
So I chambered one round, ejected the mag and put 1 in the mag and reinserted.
So, my AR 10 was a 2 round gun.
Sad.
Posted by: RI Red
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Every round I shoot in semi automatic rifles is check gauged. Bolt actions are more forgiving but even an out of spec case can give a semi out fits.
That is why I use small base dies for 5.56 and 308 to make sure that I don't get jams, etc. I expect shorter brass life from it but I purposefully avoided bolt actions in 308 or 5.56 so that all my brass for those rifle cartridges are fit to shoot in semi automatics.
As usual, YMMV.
The 176 g boolets were much longer than my Sierra 168s and 175s.
I used the same ogive meausurement 2.205”.
When I got to the range the rounds jammed in the mag. Just a tad too long; I didn’t even think about case over all length.
D,oh.
So I chambered one round, ejected the mag and put 1 in the mag and reinserted.
So, my AR 10 was a 2 round gun.
Sad.
Posted by: RI Red
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Every round I shoot in semi automatic rifles is check gauged. Bolt actions are more forgiving but even an out of spec case can give a semi out fits.
That is why I use small base dies for 5.56 and 308 to make sure that I don't get jams, etc. I expect shorter brass life from it but I purposefully avoided bolt actions in 308 or 5.56 so that all my brass for those rifle cartridges are fit to shoot in semi automatics.
As usual, YMMV.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 07:37 PM (ctrM5)
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I have something to share. Something wonderous, and rare. Rarer than a blue moon of blue moons of blue moons. Something so rare, that I suggest you sit, nay lay down before reading further.
Whilst perusing a thread on DU about a dinner party someone attended full of Gen Zs that left them with extreme angst, since they were bereft of concerns for Dem talking points, one commenter to the thread replied "Actually David Hogg just won Vice Chair of DNC, maybe there's hope????"
But it was the reply to that that absolutely gobsmacked me. A ray of incredible insight of reality so rarely seen on DU:
"And exactly what is David Hogg going to do, attempt to lobby for more gun control that is already despised and turns out more votes against us than anything else?
Hogg is viewed by most Americans as Greta Thunberg with five o' clock shadow.
He is not going to change one vote our way."
Whilst perusing a thread on DU about a dinner party someone attended full of Gen Zs that left them with extreme angst, since they were bereft of concerns for Dem talking points, one commenter to the thread replied "Actually David Hogg just won Vice Chair of DNC, maybe there's hope????"
But it was the reply to that that absolutely gobsmacked me. A ray of incredible insight of reality so rarely seen on DU:
"And exactly what is David Hogg going to do, attempt to lobby for more gun control that is already despised and turns out more votes against us than anything else?
Hogg is viewed by most Americans as Greta Thunberg with five o' clock shadow.
He is not going to change one vote our way."
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 07:38 PM (a3Q+t)
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Thank you Grateful! I feel ashamed for not shooting more😳
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 07:35 PM (ytIDq)
Don't feel too bad. I haven't been to a range since the 2023 TxMoMe. Life keeps intervening. I must figure out how to make time for it.
Would help if I had one nearby.
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 07:35 PM (ytIDq)
Don't feel too bad. I haven't been to a range since the 2023 TxMoMe. Life keeps intervening. I must figure out how to make time for it.
Would help if I had one nearby.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at February 02, 2025 07:39 PM (OX9vb)
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Rossi 92....my friend has an early one that needed the loading gate issue resolved. However, once he did that I found that it ran reliably and was comfortable to shoot. That gave me confidence to look at them.
I wanted the 38/357 caliber in the lever carbine, and the Rossi was what my budget would bear.
Mine is a more recent version with the large loop and the flat top rail, and currently wears a Gaialoop green dot. It also has a threaded barrel.
I wanted the 38/357 caliber in the lever carbine, and the Rossi was what my budget would bear.
Mine is a more recent version with the large loop and the flat top rail, and currently wears a Gaialoop green dot. It also has a threaded barrel.
Posted by: Chappyman66 at February 02, 2025 07:39 PM (ga83k)
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The 7.7 Arisaka uses the same fmj bullets that a .303 Brit or even a Mosin does. Accuracy may vary based on bore wear.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 07:33 PM (ctrM5)
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That explains why this is both more common and cheaper than 6.5. I have some saves searches and alerts from time to time, and 6.5 is rare enough to require it, as is 8x22 Nambu.
Steinel has been doing pretty well of late in supplying some of these calibers, and I've noticed sales becoming more frequent (which I predicted would happen when Trump won).
I will say the Steinel downloaded .45 ACP for Webleys has taken a safe queen and put it back on the firing line.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 07:33 PM (ctrM5)
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That explains why this is both more common and cheaper than 6.5. I have some saves searches and alerts from time to time, and 6.5 is rare enough to require it, as is 8x22 Nambu.
Steinel has been doing pretty well of late in supplying some of these calibers, and I've noticed sales becoming more frequent (which I predicted would happen when Trump won).
I will say the Steinel downloaded .45 ACP for Webleys has taken a safe queen and put it back on the firing line.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 07:40 PM (ZOv7s)
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I didn't do as well at the 500 yards as I should have, due to getting caught up in shoot until hit then move, but, did okay, in the end. The thousand yard plates though, went quite well. Hit the 10" plate with the second shot, transitioned to the 5" hit it then took the obligatory shot at the 2.5 inch plate and missed, went back to the 10" and put my last two shots on it. To say I was thrilled is an understatement.
Posted by: blake
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You should be thrilled. Excellent results for shooting so far and to do so in match conditions demonstrates serious skill.
Posted by: blake
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You should be thrilled. Excellent results for shooting so far and to do so in match conditions demonstrates serious skill.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 07:40 PM (ctrM5)
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Sorry, I forgot my caliber pronouns.
Posted by: Duncanthrax (.280 Rem AI/.41 Mag) at February 02, 2025 07:40 PM (a3Q+t)
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And if you're in WA...gun up.
There's a wave of gun bills coming in from the House that is pretty nasty for us.
WA Gun Law has deets. I'm not happy but not going to get angry until they come up for votes.
There's a wave of gun bills coming in from the House that is pretty nasty for us.
WA Gun Law has deets. I'm not happy but not going to get angry until they come up for votes.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at February 02, 2025 07:42 PM (xcxpd)
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Speaking of Old guns Where would one go to find a m1 Garand Rifle, I started a new job and will likely be able to buy one.
and since I am Driving a lot and visiting customers I need to look at some hand guns as well. I have a Ruger 9mm but I am looking at maybe getting a 45 or just another 9mm, something with a punch and easy to slide so that my wife can use it if she wants
and since I am Driving a lot and visiting customers I need to look at some hand guns as well. I have a Ruger 9mm but I am looking at maybe getting a 45 or just another 9mm, something with a punch and easy to slide so that my wife can use it if she wants
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 02, 2025 07:42 PM (FCrpy)
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Well, I made a very fluky purchase at the Glendale Swap Meet today. Looking car parts, tools, toys, etc. had bought nothing, but was enjoying the fine weather and good company. Saw a nice little oak chest on a table. Asked the seller, "what's that, machinist tools, maybe?" "Nope, cigars." A bunch of them, along with a humidifier, and a digital humidity/temp display. With a dead battery. Cigars look pretty dry to me. But it's a nice box. Got the whole mess for twenty bucks. Most plentiful: Thompson, red label, 6.5" by 3/4 inch. Two dozen of them. Principes, 5" by 1/2", four of them. Two VSOP, same size as the Thompson, 2 Sinatra, also same size. Several others as singletons. Total 40 lung darts. I put water into the humidifier, and a battery into the monitor. It works.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 02, 2025 07:42 PM (8zz6B)
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Hi Horde!
I also finally have a range report. SRABlaster really helped me practice the fundamentals with my Sig P365 and I made considerable progress correcting my atrocious flinch.
I also finally have a range report. SRABlaster really helped me practice the fundamentals with my Sig P365 and I made considerable progress correcting my atrocious flinch.
Posted by: Iris at February 02, 2025 07:42 PM (bOJ2I)
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My contribution to this weekend's DMV MGC outing were my three Colt 1911 shooters: an M1991A1 that I bought 30 years ago, a Colt Combat Commander that a previous owner gave a trigger job, custom sights, and stippling on the front strap, and my M45A1 Colt Marine. The M45A1 is the most accurate of the lot. The Commander comes in second, and the M1991A1 comes in third. That's purely because the M1991A1 sights are very basic GI style sights. Even the M1991A1 still delivered decent groups at 10 yards.
Posted by: Ed L at February 02, 2025 07:43 PM (AiJK3)
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CMP has 1911A1s in stock again.
Yeah, I know. I'm quite tempted to get one.
Yeah, I know. I'm quite tempted to get one.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at February 02, 2025 07:43 PM (XMwZJ)
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Anyway...guns!
Went to the range yesterday with Lazy Messenger and was doing side by side comparisons between the CZ P07, which is the gun I'm most accurate with, and the CZ P10c, a gun I've slept on in my collection.
Mostly 'draw + fire' drills, to see how well the two guns 'point'. Then double taps. This is where the DA/SA CZ P07 is at a disadvantage. The P10C is a bit faster on target but accuracy...was a wash. Some targets the P10c was tighter, some the P07. Both guns are Quality. One is $300 now.
Buy them. BUY THEM. Are good.
Went to the range yesterday with Lazy Messenger and was doing side by side comparisons between the CZ P07, which is the gun I'm most accurate with, and the CZ P10c, a gun I've slept on in my collection.
Mostly 'draw + fire' drills, to see how well the two guns 'point'. Then double taps. This is where the DA/SA CZ P07 is at a disadvantage. The P10C is a bit faster on target but accuracy...was a wash. Some targets the P10c was tighter, some the P07. Both guns are Quality. One is $300 now.
Buy them. BUY THEM. Are good.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at February 02, 2025 07:44 PM (xcxpd)
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Since I didn't inherit any firearms, old or not, everything I have was bought with shooting in mind. No safe queens at maison JTB. Probably the most valuable guns I own are Ruger Old Armys which usually sell for well over $1,000 these days. (I didn't pay but a fraction of that for any of them.) But as long as they are well maintained, which they are, shooting doesn't lessen their value.
Ammo prices could be a problem but I have the components to reload all my centerfire calibers, even the odder ones like 222 Remington and 357 Maximum.
Ammo prices could be a problem but I have the components to reload all my centerfire calibers, even the odder ones like 222 Remington and 357 Maximum.
Posted by: JTB at February 02, 2025 07:44 PM (yTvNw)
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Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 02, 2025 07:42 PM
AOP, I used the joke you made yesterday about Dalmatian deer being hard to spot with good effect today.
AOP, I used the joke you made yesterday about Dalmatian deer being hard to spot with good effect today.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 07:44 PM (a3Q+t)
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CMP has 1911A1s in stock again.
Yeah, I know. I'm quite tempted to get one.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at February 02, 2025 07:43 PM
Why did you have to post that?
Yeah, I know. I'm quite tempted to get one.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at February 02, 2025 07:43 PM
Why did you have to post that?
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at February 02, 2025 07:45 PM (Rcnd3)
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Speaking of Old guns Where would one go to find a m1 Garand Rifle, I started a new job and will likely be able to buy one.
Ooh ohh pick me, I know this one.
www.thecmp.org
Ooh ohh pick me, I know this one.
www.thecmp.org
Posted by: Oddbob at February 02, 2025 07:45 PM (/y8xj)
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So, second part of the Saturday match: The people who run the match decided we needed to do something a bit more challenging. They set up animal silhouettes are varying distances, 2 shots per. We spun a roulette style wheel to choose our targets. 5 targets total. The furthest target was 971 yards, closest was just under 500 yards, 476, maybe?
I'm thinking to myself, how do I work this out? I then realized they'd printed out a sheet listing the various silhouettes and distances. so, I grabbed my ballistcs app and put together a range card. I managed to get the job done, but, still missed far more than I should have. The 2" wide rabbit @ 476 yard was especially evil.
I'm thinking to myself, how do I work this out? I then realized they'd printed out a sheet listing the various silhouettes and distances. so, I grabbed my ballistcs app and put together a range card. I managed to get the job done, but, still missed far more than I should have. The 2" wide rabbit @ 476 yard was especially evil.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at February 02, 2025 07:45 PM (tT6L1)
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Willowed: 355 Absalute torture reading a food thread after a stroke and eating Soft tuff for a week.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at February 02, 2025 07:06 PM (5ueg9)
AZ dm, you had a stroke?? Prayers up for you, my friend. Glad you are with us.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at February 02, 2025 07:14 PM (OX9vb)
Oh, damn! Sorry to hear that. Let me know when you are up for a visit.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at February 02, 2025 07:06 PM (5ueg9)
AZ dm, you had a stroke?? Prayers up for you, my friend. Glad you are with us.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at February 02, 2025 07:14 PM (OX9vb)
Oh, damn! Sorry to hear that. Let me know when you are up for a visit.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 02, 2025 07:46 PM (8zz6B)
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That explains why this is both more common and cheaper than 6.5. I have some saves searches and alerts from time to time, and 6.5 is rare enough to require it, as is 8x22 Nambu.
Steinel has been doing pretty well of late in supplying some of these calibers, and I've noticed sales becoming more frequent (which I predicted would happen when Trump won).
I will say the Steinel downloaded .45 ACP for Webleys has taken a safe queen and put it back on the firing line.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
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I think Privi uses .264 bullets for their Arisaka loads which are downloaded for that reason compared with Norma. Arisaka 6.5 action is actually stronger than most other WWI or WWII era rifles and the cartridge chamber has two gas vents on top of that plus the semi rimmed cartridge.
Way back, a guy complained that his 6.5 Arisaka kicked too much. Turns out it was simply rechambered for 30.06 but left the barrel at its nominal .261 bore. The Arisaka action held not only for that idiot but when sent into the NRA for expert evaluation, they fired a couple of 30-06 cartridges through it as well. That receiver was in the hands of the NRA at one time, dunno now.
Steinel has been doing pretty well of late in supplying some of these calibers, and I've noticed sales becoming more frequent (which I predicted would happen when Trump won).
I will say the Steinel downloaded .45 ACP for Webleys has taken a safe queen and put it back on the firing line.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
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I think Privi uses .264 bullets for their Arisaka loads which are downloaded for that reason compared with Norma. Arisaka 6.5 action is actually stronger than most other WWI or WWII era rifles and the cartridge chamber has two gas vents on top of that plus the semi rimmed cartridge.
Way back, a guy complained that his 6.5 Arisaka kicked too much. Turns out it was simply rechambered for 30.06 but left the barrel at its nominal .261 bore. The Arisaka action held not only for that idiot but when sent into the NRA for expert evaluation, they fired a couple of 30-06 cartridges through it as well. That receiver was in the hands of the NRA at one time, dunno now.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 07:46 PM (ctrM5)
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The 'Rays from Atoms' film reminded me. We often talk about the Al Monds, but seldom about the Ray Monds. Why is that?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 07:46 PM (a3Q+t)
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92 Hi Horde!
I also finally have a range report. SRABlaster really helped me practice the fundamentals with my Sig P365 and I made considerable progress correcting my atrocious flinch.
Posted by: Iris at February 02, 2025 07:42 PM (bOJ2I)
Flinching is normal. With practice it will be less common but everyone flinches. Don't feel bad about it.
If you can shoot the 365 and enjoy it, keep at it. Tis a bit too wee for me.
I also finally have a range report. SRABlaster really helped me practice the fundamentals with my Sig P365 and I made considerable progress correcting my atrocious flinch.
Posted by: Iris at February 02, 2025 07:42 PM (bOJ2I)
Flinching is normal. With practice it will be less common but everyone flinches. Don't feel bad about it.
If you can shoot the 365 and enjoy it, keep at it. Tis a bit too wee for me.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at February 02, 2025 07:47 PM (xcxpd)
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For the reloaders among us, Midsouth Shooters Supply has free hazmat on powder and primers for orders over $149. Considering the price of these, it would be easy to reach that thresh hold.
Posted by: JTB at February 02, 2025 07:47 PM (yTvNw)
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re 7.7 Arisaka - Try AmmoSeek - linked by Weasel above and highly recommended.
Lots of options for ammo and reloading components.
Lots of options for ammo and reloading components.
Posted by: R Hill at February 02, 2025 07:47 PM (eZBb2)
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99 Speaking of Old guns Where would one go to find a m1 Garand Rifle, I started a new job and will likely be able to buy one.
Ooh ohh pick me, I know this one.
www.thecmp.org
Posted by: Oddbob at February 02, 2025 07:45 PM (/y8xj)
Thank you very much
Ooh ohh pick me, I know this one.
www.thecmp.org
Posted by: Oddbob at February 02, 2025 07:45 PM (/y8xj)
Thank you very much
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 02, 2025 07:48 PM (FCrpy)
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70 Very pleased with good range time today. Had been a while but no rust to speak of. Lots of consistent shots. Fliers are more rare (and pop up when I'm trying something different). My grip breaks down with multiple shots, so that's the near term project. Good to get back into the groove.
Posted by: TRex
What range do you go to in NoVA? I haven't gone since December. The most convenient one for me is in Lorton. It's a fairly easy drive for me.
Posted by: TRex
What range do you go to in NoVA? I haven't gone since December. The most convenient one for me is in Lorton. It's a fairly easy drive for me.
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by meow at February 02, 2025 07:48 PM (sAmhv)
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as for guns I own, everything gets shot. If it's unreliable, it gets demoted. But I don't have safe queens.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at February 02, 2025 07:49 PM (xcxpd)
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PSA
@DC_Draino 1h
VICTORY
Panama announces they will no longer be partnering with China on the canal
Trump called them out and shut them down
@DC_Draino 1h
VICTORY
Panama announces they will no longer be partnering with China on the canal
Trump called them out and shut them down
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at February 02, 2025 07:50 PM (4bYcn)
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A gun too valuable to shoot....
I will never own one.
I think you should treat a gun like a wife or girlfriend. You take them out and show them love and affection - by shooting them*. Gently, if necessary.
You don't like it when they cuckold you, right? They don't fire or don't load properly? Well, treat them right.
(* Ummm, don't take your wives and girlfriends out and shoot them. Bad idea. Even if it wasn't wrong and illegal, all the stories demonstrate you will muck it up, they will survive, and they will come back and get you. Take them out shooting, instead, and show how much you love them.)
I will never own one.
I think you should treat a gun like a wife or girlfriend. You take them out and show them love and affection - by shooting them*. Gently, if necessary.
You don't like it when they cuckold you, right? They don't fire or don't load properly? Well, treat them right.
(* Ummm, don't take your wives and girlfriends out and shoot them. Bad idea. Even if it wasn't wrong and illegal, all the stories demonstrate you will muck it up, they will survive, and they will come back and get you. Take them out shooting, instead, and show how much you love them.)
Posted by: GWB at February 02, 2025 07:51 PM (hzHvq)
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99 Speaking of Old guns Where would one go to find a m1 Garand Rifle, I started a new job and will likely be able to buy one
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Oddbob is correct. Unless you are an experienced collector to distinguish bad rifles from good ones, cmp will sell you a sound shooting rifle and stand behind it.
There are several traps out there for the unwary in buying Garands from private individuals etc. For example, some folks rewelded garand receivers which is of dubious safety and usually poor function. Another was that a few tried to cast receivers for Garands with indifferent success. Plenty of horror stories around about surplus rifles and the various bad things done to restore them well enough to claim they are shootable.
Get a Garand from CMP and you have paperwork, a functioning rifle, and recourse to the CMP's gunsmith shop if necessary.
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Oddbob is correct. Unless you are an experienced collector to distinguish bad rifles from good ones, cmp will sell you a sound shooting rifle and stand behind it.
There are several traps out there for the unwary in buying Garands from private individuals etc. For example, some folks rewelded garand receivers which is of dubious safety and usually poor function. Another was that a few tried to cast receivers for Garands with indifferent success. Plenty of horror stories around about surplus rifles and the various bad things done to restore them well enough to claim they are shootable.
Get a Garand from CMP and you have paperwork, a functioning rifle, and recourse to the CMP's gunsmith shop if necessary.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 07:51 PM (ctrM5)
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Don't feel too bad. I haven't been to a range since the 2023 TxMoMe. Life keeps intervening. I must figure out how to make time for it.
Would help if I had one nearby.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at February 02, 2025 07:39 PM (OX9vb)
Thank you, Dash! I just need to do better. I'm in rural TX. I could practice informally on our property, or go to the neighbor's place. He has a range (he teaches CHL classes, and we have access). There are options, but I've been lazy and busy with other things....
Would help if I had one nearby.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at February 02, 2025 07:39 PM (OX9vb)
Thank you, Dash! I just need to do better. I'm in rural TX. I could practice informally on our property, or go to the neighbor's place. He has a range (he teaches CHL classes, and we have access). There are options, but I've been lazy and busy with other things....
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 07:51 PM (ytIDq)
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Also, please comment early and often!
Y'all did a great job last week with a late surge to put the GT over the FT again! It was looking dicey for a while. Those who participated in the Monday Art Thread undoubtedly noticed Weasel (an Honorary Texan, BTW) was again in a convivial, indeed jovial, mood.
This is a DIRECT result of not having to arise at oh-dark-thirty to perform the onerous preparations for the 0700 hrs EST Zoom call with an emotionally-distraught Ace. The additional beauty sleep is not only appreciated by WW, but, as stated, makes for a fun Weasel partaking in the Art Thread later in the morning.
Do it. Do it for Weasel. Do it for the Art Thread Commentators. Do it for WW.
Y'all did a great job last week with a late surge to put the GT over the FT again! It was looking dicey for a while. Those who participated in the Monday Art Thread undoubtedly noticed Weasel (an Honorary Texan, BTW) was again in a convivial, indeed jovial, mood.
This is a DIRECT result of not having to arise at oh-dark-thirty to perform the onerous preparations for the 0700 hrs EST Zoom call with an emotionally-distraught Ace. The additional beauty sleep is not only appreciated by WW, but, as stated, makes for a fun Weasel partaking in the Art Thread later in the morning.
Do it. Do it for Weasel. Do it for the Art Thread Commentators. Do it for WW.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 07:52 PM (a3Q+t)
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This is the gun thread, not the golf thread.
Though, it might be possible to turn Bingo, Bango, Bongo into a shooting game.
Hmmmmm
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at February 02, 2025 07:05 PM (tT6L1)
I've seen golf-related targets. I bet you're too late.
Though, it might be possible to turn Bingo, Bango, Bongo into a shooting game.
Hmmmmm
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at February 02, 2025 07:05 PM (tT6L1)
I've seen golf-related targets. I bet you're too late.
Posted by: GWB at February 02, 2025 07:52 PM (hzHvq)
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Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 02, 2025 07:42 PM (FCrpy)
If you're in Ohio, have you stopped at Camp Perry? You might be able to buy an M1 directly from the CMP there. Otherwise, you can order one from CMP.
As for handguns, are your hand size and your wife's hand size about the same? If they are, then a shared handgun might work. But if you have bear paws and she's got a small, dainty pair of hands, it might not work as well. Ergonomics should be a big factor in pistol selection. If it doesn't feel good in your hand (or your wife's hand), it won't feel any better when you shoot it on the range. I think caliber comes in a distant second to a handgun's ergonomics.
If you're in Ohio, have you stopped at Camp Perry? You might be able to buy an M1 directly from the CMP there. Otherwise, you can order one from CMP.
As for handguns, are your hand size and your wife's hand size about the same? If they are, then a shared handgun might work. But if you have bear paws and she's got a small, dainty pair of hands, it might not work as well. Ergonomics should be a big factor in pistol selection. If it doesn't feel good in your hand (or your wife's hand), it won't feel any better when you shoot it on the range. I think caliber comes in a distant second to a handgun's ergonomics.
Posted by: Ed L at February 02, 2025 07:53 PM (AiJK3)
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43 ... "Loaded my first .38 Specials this week, 148 grain Berry's Bullets double-ended wadcutters."
Congrats on those first 38 special loads. I've had good results with the Berry's wadcutters. I usually use cast wadcutters but picked up some of the Berry's super cheap at a swap meet.
Congrats on those first 38 special loads. I've had good results with the Berry's wadcutters. I usually use cast wadcutters but picked up some of the Berry's super cheap at a swap meet.
Posted by: JTB at February 02, 2025 07:54 PM (yTvNw)
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Thanks, TRex, whig and RI Red.
Still amazes me hitting a 10" steel plate @ 500 yards really isn't a challenge any more.
Speaking of steel plates, I'm now the proud owner of my very own KYL rack. Guy I shoot with has the equipment to cut AR 500, etc. He offered to build me a rack for cost of materials. I said, "Okay, get me a quote and let's see what we can work out." Yeah, he showed with the completed rack at the match, told me. "Hey, here's what the materials cost if you don't want it, I'll just sell it, blah blah blah." I pretty much told him, "shut up and take my money." Even worse, I tried to slip him an extra $50 for his trouble and he gave it back. I told him, "Hey, you weren't supposed to count it!"
By the way, 1/2" AR for the plates. None of the wimpy 3/8" stuff.
Still amazes me hitting a 10" steel plate @ 500 yards really isn't a challenge any more.
Speaking of steel plates, I'm now the proud owner of my very own KYL rack. Guy I shoot with has the equipment to cut AR 500, etc. He offered to build me a rack for cost of materials. I said, "Okay, get me a quote and let's see what we can work out." Yeah, he showed with the completed rack at the match, told me. "Hey, here's what the materials cost if you don't want it, I'll just sell it, blah blah blah." I pretty much told him, "shut up and take my money." Even worse, I tried to slip him an extra $50 for his trouble and he gave it back. I told him, "Hey, you weren't supposed to count it!"
By the way, 1/2" AR for the plates. None of the wimpy 3/8" stuff.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at February 02, 2025 07:54 PM (tT6L1)
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90 Speaking of Old guns Where would one go to find a m1 Garand Rifle, I started a new job and will likely be able to buy one.
and since I am Driving a lot and visiting customers I need to look at some hand guns as well. I have a Ruger 9mm but I am looking at maybe getting a 45 or just another 9mm, something with a punch and easy to slide so that my wife can use it if she wants
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 02, 2025 07:42 PM (FCrpy)
I REALLY hate to encourage caliber sprawl, but if you want a .45 that both you and the wife will enjoy, look at a XD45 or a 1911. Both have been fairly popular with lady shooters IME.
Or stick with 9mm and go up to 147 grain rounds. Maybe try the S&W Shield EZ, it's designed for weaker grip strength. Though it's only 8 round capacity.
and since I am Driving a lot and visiting customers I need to look at some hand guns as well. I have a Ruger 9mm but I am looking at maybe getting a 45 or just another 9mm, something with a punch and easy to slide so that my wife can use it if she wants
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at February 02, 2025 07:42 PM (FCrpy)
I REALLY hate to encourage caliber sprawl, but if you want a .45 that both you and the wife will enjoy, look at a XD45 or a 1911. Both have been fairly popular with lady shooters IME.
Or stick with 9mm and go up to 147 grain rounds. Maybe try the S&W Shield EZ, it's designed for weaker grip strength. Though it's only 8 round capacity.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at February 02, 2025 07:54 PM (xcxpd)
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MAE: thanks for the encouragement. I bought it because I tried one and was fine with it but once I got one, I was a super-flincher. So trying really hard to develop the correct muscle memory! It's my first 9m.
Posted by: Iris at February 02, 2025 07:55 PM (bOJ2I)
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EdL, Amen to that. The first time I held my .357 it felt like home.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 02, 2025 07:55 PM (mB6WH)
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at February 02, 2025 07:55 PM (QfvaV)
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By the way, 1/2" AR for the plates. None of the wimpy 3/8" stuff.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at February 02, 2025 07:54 PM (tT6L1)
Hey, nice rack!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at February 02, 2025 07:54 PM (tT6L1)
Hey, nice rack!
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at February 02, 2025 07:56 PM (QfvaV)
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Get a Garand from CMP and you have paperwork, a functioning rifle, and recourse to the CMP's gunsmith shop if necessary.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 07:51 PM (ctrM5)
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Another nice features is the way the CMP grades its rifles. If you can actually visit the showroom, they will have them sorted into racks based on features, and each rifle also has a tag giving a quality rating on the bore and throat.
Expend to spend some quality time (really) checking out the various rifles, looking them over, examining them and their tags. Don't worry, the staff regard it as a spectator sport, and will offer commentary on whether they think you have the best one in that price range.
I've only been to the Camp Perry store a couple of times, but it is one of my happy places, despite being in northern Ohio (one of the dreariest places on earth).
I also enjoy the PX liquor sales as well.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 07:51 PM (ctrM5)
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Another nice features is the way the CMP grades its rifles. If you can actually visit the showroom, they will have them sorted into racks based on features, and each rifle also has a tag giving a quality rating on the bore and throat.
Expend to spend some quality time (really) checking out the various rifles, looking them over, examining them and their tags. Don't worry, the staff regard it as a spectator sport, and will offer commentary on whether they think you have the best one in that price range.
I've only been to the Camp Perry store a couple of times, but it is one of my happy places, despite being in northern Ohio (one of the dreariest places on earth).
I also enjoy the PX liquor sales as well.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 07:56 PM (ZOv7s)
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Mine is a more recent version with the large loop and the flat top rail and currently wears a Gaialoop green dot. It also has a threaded barrel.
Posted by: Chappyman66 at February 02, 2025 07:39 PM (ga83
How is the accuracy?
Posted by: Chappyman66 at February 02, 2025 07:39 PM (ga83
How is the accuracy?
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 02, 2025 07:59 PM (ULXRJ)
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I’m … back.
RI Red!!! How is it up North? Battling the snow gnomes? Wondering if the oil you use on your firearms are gumming up in the freezing temps? LOL
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 02, 2025 07:18 PM (0XVad)
Scoobs, I clean and lube with CLP mostly, and leave a light shine on surfaces. But I lube important moving things with Tetra grease - white and non-sticky. Supposedly it has a magic bond with the metal.
RI Red!!! How is it up North? Battling the snow gnomes? Wondering if the oil you use on your firearms are gumming up in the freezing temps? LOL
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at February 02, 2025 07:18 PM (0XVad)
Scoobs, I clean and lube with CLP mostly, and leave a light shine on surfaces. But I lube important moving things with Tetra grease - white and non-sticky. Supposedly it has a magic bond with the metal.
Posted by: RI Red at February 02, 2025 07:59 PM (SWLyd)
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Hey, nice rack!
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at February 02, 2025 07:56 PM (QfvaV)
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Heh. I expect to have a bunch of new friends next Friday when I take her out for her baptism of fire.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at February 02, 2025 07:56 PM (QfvaV)
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Heh. I expect to have a bunch of new friends next Friday when I take her out for her baptism of fire.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at February 02, 2025 07:59 PM (tT6L1)
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ScaryMary, there is NO shame in not shooting more often. But I will tell you that this thread and the MoMes actually encourage me to shoot more and improve. Life still gets in the way at times, but hopefully you will not see it as an obligation, but a fun activity. That's made a big difference for me.
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at February 02, 2025 07:59 PM (IQ6Gq)
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69 Posted by: Chappyman66 at February 02, 2025 07:26 PM (ga83k)
How do you like the Rossi 92? I'm thinking about something like that for my next purchase.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 02, 2025 07:32 PM (ULXRJ)
I have one, in .44 mag. It's a thumper but very pretty, lightweight. I put a peep sight on it but, due to the cost of ammo, it doesn't get shot much. I'm glad I have it though, it's one of my hallway guns.
How do you like the Rossi 92? I'm thinking about something like that for my next purchase.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 02, 2025 07:32 PM (ULXRJ)
I have one, in .44 mag. It's a thumper but very pretty, lightweight. I put a peep sight on it but, due to the cost of ammo, it doesn't get shot much. I'm glad I have it though, it's one of my hallway guns.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at February 02, 2025 08:00 PM (xcxpd)
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I have been looking at the silly Keltec PR57.
Has anyone here handled/fired one? As much as I think KelTec is weird stuff (I have a Sub2K) the idea of 20 rounds of 5.7x28 in that small a package is interesting.....
If it shoots well.
Ergonomics!
Has anyone here handled/fired one? As much as I think KelTec is weird stuff (I have a Sub2K) the idea of 20 rounds of 5.7x28 in that small a package is interesting.....
If it shoots well.
Ergonomics!
Posted by: Chappyman66 at February 02, 2025 08:00 PM (ga83k)
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120 I bought it because I tried one and was fine with it but once I got one, I was a super-flincher. So trying really hard to develop the correct muscle memory! It's my first 9m.
Posted by: Iris at February 02, 2025 07:55 PM
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Go get it!! You'll have it in no time.
Posted by: Iris at February 02, 2025 07:55 PM
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Go get it!! You'll have it in no time.
Posted by: TRex at February 02, 2025 08:00 PM (IQ6Gq)
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the 1911A1 (newish Taylor &Sons)
Posted by: Chappyman66 at February 02, 2025 07:26 PM (ga83k)
That is a nice 1911, though, isn't it? I really appreciate mine.
Posted by: Chappyman66 at February 02, 2025 07:26 PM (ga83k)
That is a nice 1911, though, isn't it? I really appreciate mine.
Posted by: GWB at February 02, 2025 08:00 PM (hzHvq)
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I'm scheduled for cataract surgery in April. Can't wait to see if I will still need the patch. My right eye is dominant and weaker than the left which I have to cover. I'm hoping I will be able to see the target bettermafter this. It's exciting but a little scary.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 02, 2025 08:00 PM (t/2Uw)
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Don't feel too bad. I haven't been to a range since the 2023 TxMoMe. Life keeps intervening. I must figure out how to make time for it.
Would help if I had one nearby.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at February 02, 2025 07:39 PM (OX9vb)
Have you looked at one of the electronic target devices that tie into an app on your smartphone? Or, if that's too spendy, you can use snap caps to practice your trigger squeeze.
Would help if I had one nearby.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at February 02, 2025 07:39 PM (OX9vb)
Have you looked at one of the electronic target devices that tie into an app on your smartphone? Or, if that's too spendy, you can use snap caps to practice your trigger squeeze.
Posted by: Ed L at February 02, 2025 08:01 PM (AiJK3)
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Way back, a guy complained that his 6.5 Arisaka kicked too much. Turns out it was simply rechambered for 30.06 but left the barrel at its nominal .261 bore. The Arisaka action held not only for that idiot but when sent into the NRA for expert evaluation, they fired a couple of 30-06 cartridges through it as well. That receiver was in the hands of the NRA at one time, dunno now.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 07:46 PM (ctrM5)
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The late Colonel Jeff Cooper was of the opinion it was not possible to blow up the Arisaka action. From what I remember, he intentionally tried and failed.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 07:46 PM (ctrM5)
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The late Colonel Jeff Cooper was of the opinion it was not possible to blow up the Arisaka action. From what I remember, he intentionally tried and failed.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at February 02, 2025 08:01 PM (tT6L1)
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I can't endorse 5.7 for anything other than a range toy. 9mm does everything better in that size factor unless you have secret access to Mil/LE ammo.
As a range toy, go ahead. But as a self defense round, it's the only gun I've heard of where people getting shot by the round say 'hey, stop shooting me' rather than gasping and rattling around on the ground.
Anything CAN work but 5.7 makes it harder.
As a range toy, go ahead. But as a self defense round, it's the only gun I've heard of where people getting shot by the round say 'hey, stop shooting me' rather than gasping and rattling around on the ground.
Anything CAN work but 5.7 makes it harder.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at February 02, 2025 08:03 PM (xcxpd)
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2025 08:03 PM (iu4Pw)
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and since I am Driving a lot and visiting customers I need to look at some hand guns as well. I have a Ruger 9mm but I am looking at maybe getting a 45 or just another 9mm, something with a punch and easy to slide so that my wife can use it if she wants
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio
FWIW, most hammer fired pistols versus striker fire will normally be easier to rack and there are several choices there depending on size.
I would go to a local gun range that rents firearms and try out several. Basically you have a tradeoff between concealability and shootability. Most people can handle a full size 1911 in 45 ACP simply because it is a large heavy gun that tempers the recoil of the 45 ACP. Go to a 3.5 inch slide in 45 ACP and it will be unpleasant enough to discourage practice with it. Going down a caliber or two to a 9 mm also means less recoil in the same weight gun. A 1911 in 9mm that has the 5 inch slide is a pussycat even with hotter +p 9mm ammo. Go to a polymer lightweight shortslide like a Ruger EC9 with a 3.1 inch slide, even a regular 9mm load will produce a surprising amount of felt recoil. The tradeoff is weight of pistol to tote and felt recoil.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio
FWIW, most hammer fired pistols versus striker fire will normally be easier to rack and there are several choices there depending on size.
I would go to a local gun range that rents firearms and try out several. Basically you have a tradeoff between concealability and shootability. Most people can handle a full size 1911 in 45 ACP simply because it is a large heavy gun that tempers the recoil of the 45 ACP. Go to a 3.5 inch slide in 45 ACP and it will be unpleasant enough to discourage practice with it. Going down a caliber or two to a 9 mm also means less recoil in the same weight gun. A 1911 in 9mm that has the 5 inch slide is a pussycat even with hotter +p 9mm ammo. Go to a polymer lightweight shortslide like a Ruger EC9 with a 3.1 inch slide, even a regular 9mm load will produce a surprising amount of felt recoil. The tradeoff is weight of pistol to tote and felt recoil.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 08:03 PM (ctrM5)
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Get a Garand from CMP and you have paperwork, a functioning rifle, and recourse to the CMP's gunsmith shop if necessary.
It's been a few years since the last time I bought a rifle from the CMP but I believe that the old requirement for military or competitive shooting experience or a CCW is gone. There is still one to belong to a CMP affiliated club. NRA doesn't count but many state rifle clubs do and of course so does Garand Collectors' Association membership.
It's been a few years since the last time I bought a rifle from the CMP but I believe that the old requirement for military or competitive shooting experience or a CCW is gone. There is still one to belong to a CMP affiliated club. NRA doesn't count but many state rifle clubs do and of course so does Garand Collectors' Association membership.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 02, 2025 08:03 PM (/y8xj)
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Scarymary, one of the fun things at the MoMe is the kinda IDPA range where you get to move and shoot.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 02, 2025 08:04 PM (mB6WH)
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Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a special muscle-memory greeting to our esteemed host Weasel.
Food Thread is at 357 comments. Should be an easy enough goal for all of us Gub Thread participants to remember.
Food Thread is at 357 comments. Should be an easy enough goal for all of us Gub Thread participants to remember.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 08:04 PM (v23vE)
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I will add that there are some real gems in those racks. Because I'm interested in shooting, I took a pass on a 1940 receiver because of a nasty little gouge near the muzzle that I know would endlessly piss me off.
I instead went with the post-Korea run because the condition was superior, best-rated bore, nice stock, etc. One of the vets hanging out near the sales desk (yes, it's a hangout) looked it over and asked where I found it, because it was so nice. A staffer wouldn't have it. "You dumb old fart, you picked that up not half and hour ago before putting it back! Don't start complaining now!"
Come for the rifles, stay for the ambience.
I instead went with the post-Korea run because the condition was superior, best-rated bore, nice stock, etc. One of the vets hanging out near the sales desk (yes, it's a hangout) looked it over and asked where I found it, because it was so nice. A staffer wouldn't have it. "You dumb old fart, you picked that up not half and hour ago before putting it back! Don't start complaining now!"
Come for the rifles, stay for the ambience.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 08:04 PM (ZOv7s)
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A few years ago my (insert group affiliation here) had a commemorative 1911 buy and they went with custom engraved Kimber Raptor IIs. I wanted one but could not see a good reason to spend that kind of money on a pistol I would not shoot. But sra blaster intervened and bought it for me for Father's Day (it arrived MUCH later) and so there it was. It is STILL the most expensive gun at the bottom of our pond.
But I shoot it. Because 1), its a good shooter. 2), with my kids for various reasons it isn't going to be an heirloom that passes down to generations as something cool. I don't know what it will be in the future. And it won't gain value just stitting there. So I am shooting it. Shot it yesterday, in fact.
But I shoot it. Because 1), its a good shooter. 2), with my kids for various reasons it isn't going to be an heirloom that passes down to generations as something cool. I don't know what it will be in the future. And it won't gain value just stitting there. So I am shooting it. Shot it yesterday, in fact.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at February 02, 2025 08:04 PM (QfvaV)
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How is the accuracy?
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 02, 2025 07:59 PM (ULXRJ)
It's reasonable although I am only shooting 2A Warehouse bulk reloads so I haven't done a good test. I have some Hammerdown ballistic tips that should be tested at longer range.
The grandson's young eyes were able to do a 1.5" hole at 10 yards and he was running the gun pretty fast.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 02, 2025 07:59 PM (ULXRJ)
It's reasonable although I am only shooting 2A Warehouse bulk reloads so I haven't done a good test. I have some Hammerdown ballistic tips that should be tested at longer range.
The grandson's young eyes were able to do a 1.5" hole at 10 yards and he was running the gun pretty fast.
Posted by: Chappyman66 at February 02, 2025 08:04 PM (ga83k)
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@MAE, are you referring to the FN 5.7? Because that's the round Hassan used when he went on his killing spree.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at February 02, 2025 08:05 PM (tT6L1)
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32 I shoot everything I own. Even the HK P7 that was unfired when I got it. Prob shouldn't have, but I couldn't help myself.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 02, 2025 07:13 PM (b4o9z)
I have probably a half dozen unfired NIB handguns. They are models of which I already own and have fired, so, I see no need to fire the NIB ones. I did fire a brand new 1911 yesterday because well I couldn't wait. It's sweet, just needs better front sight. Eyes.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 02, 2025 07:13 PM (b4o9z)
I have probably a half dozen unfired NIB handguns. They are models of which I already own and have fired, so, I see no need to fire the NIB ones. I did fire a brand new 1911 yesterday because well I couldn't wait. It's sweet, just needs better front sight. Eyes.
Posted by: Eromero at February 02, 2025 08:05 PM (LHPAg)
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5.7 ammo is still too expensive, plus I care barely see the holes it makes in the paper. It's half a 5.56 round, it should cost half as much. Not the same.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 02, 2025 08:05 PM (b4o9z)
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The late Colonel Jeff Cooper was of the opinion it was not possible to blow up the Arisaka action. From what I remember, he intentionally tried and failed.
Posted by: blake
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Possibly you are thinking of PO Ackley ( of many wildcats named for him). PO Ackley liked to tinker with all sorts of surplus firearms up to blowing them up to test receiver strength.
Col. Cooper probably did express an opinion over the Arisaka at one time or another especially as he commanded Marines in the Pacific during WWII.
Posted by: blake
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Possibly you are thinking of PO Ackley ( of many wildcats named for him). PO Ackley liked to tinker with all sorts of surplus firearms up to blowing them up to test receiver strength.
Col. Cooper probably did express an opinion over the Arisaka at one time or another especially as he commanded Marines in the Pacific during WWII.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 08:05 PM (ctrM5)
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@PatrickinOhio
FWIW, most hammer fired pistols versus striker fire will normally be easier to rack and there are several choices there depending on size.
I would go to a local gun range that rents firearms and try out several. Basically you have a tradeoff between concealability and shootability. Most people can handle a full size 1911 in 45 ACP simply because it is a large heavy gun that tempers the recoil of the 45 ACP. Go to a 3.5 inch slide in 45 ACP and it will be unpleasant enough to discourage practice with it. Going down a caliber or two to a 9 mm also means less recoil in the same weight gun. A 1911 in 9mm that has the 5 inch slide is a pussycat even with hotter +p 9mm ammo. Go to a polymer lightweight shortslide like a Ruger EC9 with a 3.1 inch slide, even a regular 9mm load will produce a surprising amount of felt recoil. The tradeoff is weight of pistol to tote and felt recoil.
Posted by: whig
I agree but polymer automatics absorb recoil better than all metal guns, IME. So I'd lean towards those. Though, again, 1911s seem pretty popular with ladies as well as gents. It's not a gun for casuals for self defense, though. It does require practice to get working.
FWIW, most hammer fired pistols versus striker fire will normally be easier to rack and there are several choices there depending on size.
I would go to a local gun range that rents firearms and try out several. Basically you have a tradeoff between concealability and shootability. Most people can handle a full size 1911 in 45 ACP simply because it is a large heavy gun that tempers the recoil of the 45 ACP. Go to a 3.5 inch slide in 45 ACP and it will be unpleasant enough to discourage practice with it. Going down a caliber or two to a 9 mm also means less recoil in the same weight gun. A 1911 in 9mm that has the 5 inch slide is a pussycat even with hotter +p 9mm ammo. Go to a polymer lightweight shortslide like a Ruger EC9 with a 3.1 inch slide, even a regular 9mm load will produce a surprising amount of felt recoil. The tradeoff is weight of pistol to tote and felt recoil.
Posted by: whig
I agree but polymer automatics absorb recoil better than all metal guns, IME. So I'd lean towards those. Though, again, 1911s seem pretty popular with ladies as well as gents. It's not a gun for casuals for self defense, though. It does require practice to get working.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at February 02, 2025 08:05 PM (xcxpd)
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@whig, it's very possible, My memory is not nearly what it once was and it was never great to begin with.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at February 02, 2025 08:06 PM (tT6L1)
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It's been a few years since the last time I bought a rifle from the CMP but I believe that the old requirement for military or competitive shooting experience or a CCW is gone. There is still one to belong to a CMP affiliated club. NRA doesn't count but many state rifle clubs do and of course so does Garand Collectors' Association membership.
Posted by: Oddbob
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You are correct. Dunno about their 1911's for sale.
Posted by: Oddbob
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You are correct. Dunno about their 1911's for sale.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 08:07 PM (ctrM5)
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t's been a few years since the last time I bought a rifle from the CMP but I believe that the old requirement for military or competitive shooting experience or a CCW is gone. There is still one to belong to a CMP affiliated club. NRA doesn't count but many state rifle clubs do and of course so does Garand Collectors' Association membership.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 02, 2025 08:03 PM (/y8xj)
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Military types are qualified, civilians have to jump through some extra hoops, all of which are explained on their web site.
I explained to a squishy liberal co-worker how nice it is that you can buy a battle rifle and ammo from the US gov't at below market prices if you just do the right paperwork.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 02, 2025 08:03 PM (/y8xj)
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Military types are qualified, civilians have to jump through some extra hoops, all of which are explained on their web site.
I explained to a squishy liberal co-worker how nice it is that you can buy a battle rifle and ammo from the US gov't at below market prices if you just do the right paperwork.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 08:07 PM (ZOv7s)
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That is a nice 1911, though, isn't it? I really appreciate mine.
Posted by: GWB at February 02, 2025 08:00 PM (hzHvq)
I think so... especially for the sub $300 price that PSA put on them. They need a 500 round run-in, but for the price I feel like it's hard to be at
Posted by: GWB at February 02, 2025 08:00 PM (hzHvq)
I think so... especially for the sub $300 price that PSA put on them. They need a 500 round run-in, but for the price I feel like it's hard to be at
Posted by: Chappyman66 at February 02, 2025 08:07 PM (ga83k)
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Iris! Congrats on the P365...did you get the regular of the P365X Macro? Regardless, I love mine.
Flinching can be an issue. In Weasel's words "just don't do it." Ha! Seriously, if I find myself doing it, before the next shot, when I have everything else set and the trigger pulled back to the wall, I literally talk to myself as I pull the trigger to NOT move anything except that finger. It really does work, especially the more you do it.
Flinching can be an issue. In Weasel's words "just don't do it." Ha! Seriously, if I find myself doing it, before the next shot, when I have everything else set and the trigger pulled back to the wall, I literally talk to myself as I pull the trigger to NOT move anything except that finger. It really does work, especially the more you do it.
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at February 02, 2025 08:07 PM (IQ6Gq)
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148 The late Colonel Jeff Cooper was of the opinion it was not possible to blow up the Arisaka action. From what I remember, he intentionally tried and failed.
Posted by: blake
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My Dad has a beautiful .35 Whelen built on an Arisaka action. Custom wood stock and a Shaw barrel. It's a work of art.
In other news, I haven't been to the range in a while because the weather has been absolute crap. I've been binging Shot Show videos on Youtube, and now, Lord help me, I want a KelTec PR57 in 5.7x28.
Posted by: blake
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My Dad has a beautiful .35 Whelen built on an Arisaka action. Custom wood stock and a Shaw barrel. It's a work of art.
In other news, I haven't been to the range in a while because the weather has been absolute crap. I've been binging Shot Show videos on Youtube, and now, Lord help me, I want a KelTec PR57 in 5.7x28.
Posted by: Pennsyltucky at February 02, 2025 08:08 PM (QdGJh)
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FWIW, most hammer fired pistols versus striker fire will normally be easier to rack and there are several choices there depending on size.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 08:03 PM (ctrM5)
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Cocking the hammer can make it considerably easier to chamber a round, something Tokarev owners learn as soon as they take one to the range.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 08:03 PM (ctrM5)
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Cocking the hammer can make it considerably easier to chamber a round, something Tokarev owners learn as soon as they take one to the range.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 08:10 PM (ZOv7s)
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Regarding the Israeli / compression bandage, definitely recommend getting at least one and learning how to apply it. It was a point of instruction in the Tactical First Aid & System Collapse Medicine course with Greg Ellifritz, as well as John Murphy's Street Encounter Skills & Tactics class. Sadly, Greg's prostate cancer has returned, and he's chosen not to undergo surgery for it due to likely side effects, so if you can book a class with him, do it soon.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 08:10 PM (v23vE)
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I've had my eye on this hoping the price comes down.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1085118115
Can't justify that much for a pistol, but damn this is cool.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1085118115
Can't justify that much for a pistol, but damn this is cool.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at February 02, 2025 08:10 PM (b4o9z)
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The 'Rays from Atoms' film reminded me. We often talk about the Al Monds, but seldom about the Ray Monds. Why is that?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 07:46 PM (a3Q+t)
Because Monds don't have nuts.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 07:46 PM (a3Q+t)
Because Monds don't have nuts.
Posted by: GWB at February 02, 2025 08:10 PM (hzHvq)
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This topic comes up often but doesn't hurt to repeat. When choosing a hand gun, especially for more than one shooter, it is best to be able to handle it and get a feel for comfort. It's not just hand size. I've seen women with small hands who preferred larger grips and shot better with them.
Posted by: JTB at February 02, 2025 08:11 PM (yTvNw)
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"Hickok45 - Too Valuable to Shoot?"
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I have my dad's M94 Winchester .32 WinSpl. that he bought in 1952 just before he was shipped out to Korea. It's considered to be some kind of treasure by my siblings but my sons and I not only shoot it, we hunt deer with it.
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I have my dad's M94 Winchester .32 WinSpl. that he bought in 1952 just before he was shipped out to Korea. It's considered to be some kind of treasure by my siblings but my sons and I not only shoot it, we hunt deer with it.
Posted by: Cosda at February 02, 2025 08:11 PM (Zhmkh)
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Also I had to read Weasel's content very carefully after the headline "Hickok45 - Too Valuable to Shoot?". I thought it was going in a completely different direction than it turned out to have gone.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 08:12 PM (v23vE)
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150 @whig, it's very possible, My memory is not nearly what it once was and it was never great to begin with.
Posted by: blake
On some things, I have memory glitches too. Col. Cooper could very well have done destructive testing of an Arisaka that I never heard about. Or,
I would not be surprised that Col Cooper knew PO Ackley as the gun world was much smaller in a way back then.
Most of the big names in the field knew each other. P.O. Ackley was also a well regarded gunsmith and quite a few people sent rifles to him for rechambering, etc. often to one of his wildcat cartridges.
He usually blew out the shoulders on older cartridges that gave them a bit more capacity and a bit different powder burning curve. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't.
Posted by: blake
On some things, I have memory glitches too. Col. Cooper could very well have done destructive testing of an Arisaka that I never heard about. Or,
I would not be surprised that Col Cooper knew PO Ackley as the gun world was much smaller in a way back then.
Most of the big names in the field knew each other. P.O. Ackley was also a well regarded gunsmith and quite a few people sent rifles to him for rechambering, etc. often to one of his wildcat cartridges.
He usually blew out the shoulders on older cartridges that gave them a bit more capacity and a bit different powder burning curve. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 08:12 PM (ctrM5)
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Our DMV MGC met Saturday v Sunday this time because reasons. We were missing Hrothgar but we were pleased he was in commo.
sra blaster and I were shooting the Kimber Raptor IIs - they are seriously nice guns and shooting iron sights requires you to focus on fundamentals.
Since it was 1911 day Ed L. brought a brace of them and most notable to me was the last of the breed USMC issue one I forget the exact nomenclature. But its a really nice bit of kit and shoots every bit as well as our Raptor IIs and that's pretty remarkable that GI gun is as good as something out of Kimber's Custom Shop.
However tops in the 1911 game among the MGC remains swa's Kimber Aegis Elite Custom (OI) in 9mm. That gun is ridiculous how well it shoots.
sra blaster and I were shooting the Kimber Raptor IIs - they are seriously nice guns and shooting iron sights requires you to focus on fundamentals.
Since it was 1911 day Ed L. brought a brace of them and most notable to me was the last of the breed USMC issue one I forget the exact nomenclature. But its a really nice bit of kit and shoots every bit as well as our Raptor IIs and that's pretty remarkable that GI gun is as good as something out of Kimber's Custom Shop.
However tops in the 1911 game among the MGC remains swa's Kimber Aegis Elite Custom (OI) in 9mm. That gun is ridiculous how well it shoots.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at February 02, 2025 08:13 PM (QfvaV)
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"I've only been to the Camp Perry store a couple of times, but it is one of my happy places, despite being in northern Ohio (one of the dreariest places on earth)."
Heh
Heh
Posted by: Dreary, depressing SE Ohio at February 02, 2025 08:13 PM (oaGWv)
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I agree but polymer automatics absorb recoil better than all metal guns, IME.
Guess I'd have to respectfully take exception to that, IME.
Guess I'd have to respectfully take exception to that, IME.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 02, 2025 08:13 PM (mH6SG)
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'"And exactly what is David Hogg going to do, attempt to lobby for more gun control that is already despised and turns out more votes against us than anything else?'
What do you mean? I think America is yearning for some arrogant little fairy to make demands of it. The 'Rats ought to give Hogg a chance. 2 or 3 election cycles should give us the answer.
'"And exactly what is David Hogg going to do, attempt to lobby for more gun control that is already despised and turns out more votes against us than anything else?'
What do you mean? I think America is yearning for some arrogant little fairy to make demands of it. The 'Rats ought to give Hogg a chance. 2 or 3 election cycles should give us the answer.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at February 02, 2025 08:13 PM (3wi/L)
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I explained to a squishy liberal co-worker how nice it is that you can buy a battle rifle and ammo from the US gov't at below market prices if you just do the right paperwork.
Also, the last one I bought was FedEx'd right to my door. I imagine that ought to twist some knickers. (1911s and non-milsurp rifles have to go to your FFL.)
Also, the last one I bought was FedEx'd right to my door. I imagine that ought to twist some knickers. (1911s and non-milsurp rifles have to go to your FFL.)
Posted by: Oddbob at February 02, 2025 08:14 PM (/y8xj)
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Blaster's 1911 was the first 45 caliber I'd ever shot and it was a revelation. Who knew that a heavier gun would have less recoil? But there is something about the 1911s that is unique. No matter which model I pick up, it feels right and I can shoot it with some accuracy from the first round. Although my Kimber is a 9mm, it still has that solid feel. Both Blaster and I put a lot of ammo through it yesterday and made big round holes in the targets. We were shooting at 7 yards. Want to try 10 yds next time.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 02, 2025 08:14 PM (t/2Uw)
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108 What range do you go to in NoVA?
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by meow at February 02, 2025 07:48 PM
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Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by meow at February 02, 2025 07:48 PM
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email sent
Posted by: TRex at February 02, 2025 08:15 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I have a NIB Colt M45A1 delivered to the USMC (but never issued or even shot after it left Colt) before being decommissioned that I intend to keep that way. The Cerakote finish proved to wear far quicker than the USMC specs thought. I have another commercial M45A1 in the later ion-bond FDE finish that is far better suited for shooting. As the swan song of the 1911 in US military service, I'll keep that decommissioned USMC Colt in its original condition as long as I can.
Posted by: Ed L at February 02, 2025 08:16 PM (AiJK3)
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Col. Cooper probably did express an opinion over the Arisaka at one time or another...
Col. Cooper had an opinion about everything. Problem was that he could never tell the difference between his opinion and objective fact.
Col. Cooper had an opinion about everything. Problem was that he could never tell the difference between his opinion and objective fact.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 02, 2025 08:16 PM (/y8xj)
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"Flinching can be an issue. In Weasel's words "just don't do it." Ha! Seriously, if I find myself doing it, before the next shot, when I have everything else set and the trigger pulled back to the wall, I literally talk to myself as I pull the trigger to NOT move anything except that finger. It really does work, especially the more you do it."
I have just the regular but I do like your version and am considering if I "need" it.
Ed showed me a technique: Balancing a shell on the top. I didn't have it there when I actually shot but I was totally imagining it - and it did help me stay steady.
I have just the regular but I do like your version and am considering if I "need" it.
Ed showed me a technique: Balancing a shell on the top. I didn't have it there when I actually shot but I was totally imagining it - and it did help me stay steady.
Posted by: Iris at February 02, 2025 08:16 PM (bOJ2I)
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Sharon, sounds like you and Blaster had a great time.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at February 02, 2025 08:17 PM (tT6L1)
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I agree but polymer automatics absorb recoil better than all metal guns, IME. So I'd lean towards those. Though, again, 1911s seem pretty popular with ladies as well as gents. It's not a gun for casuals for self defense, though. It does require practice to get working.
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If you are talking about a compact versus a semi compact polymer, I would agree with you depending on the weight shaved off it. Glock's Model 19 was at the top of the sales chart for a long while because it had sufficient number of cartridges in the magazine, was easy enough to rack the slide, and weighed enough close to 30oz loaded to have less felt recoil than perhaps a steel framed semi auto would (grips though might alleviate that).
Take any firearm, metal framed or polymer down to about 20 oz of total weight and shooting it is gonna be work and relatively unpleasant due to greater felt recoil.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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If you are talking about a compact versus a semi compact polymer, I would agree with you depending on the weight shaved off it. Glock's Model 19 was at the top of the sales chart for a long while because it had sufficient number of cartridges in the magazine, was easy enough to rack the slide, and weighed enough close to 30oz loaded to have less felt recoil than perhaps a steel framed semi auto would (grips though might alleviate that).
Take any firearm, metal framed or polymer down to about 20 oz of total weight and shooting it is gonna be work and relatively unpleasant due to greater felt recoil.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 08:17 PM (ctrM5)
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Well, it's time for me to wander.
I managed to make up for the lack of shooting last weekend this weekend, which was nice.
Thanks again, Weasel!
I managed to make up for the lack of shooting last weekend this weekend, which was nice.
Thanks again, Weasel!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at February 02, 2025 08:18 PM (tT6L1)
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I see Iris's report above. She really did work on her fundamentals and you could see a lot of improvement by the end of the session.
She had purchased the P365 (the original) after firing sra blaster's, so they teamed up on a lane to work out the flinch.
She had purchased the P365 (the original) after firing sra blaster's, so they teamed up on a lane to work out the flinch.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at February 02, 2025 08:18 PM (QfvaV)
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Col. Cooper had an opinion about everything. Problem was that he could never tell the difference between his opinion and objective fact.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Mebbe, all I know of him is what he wrote and most of his workers over the years seem to have had him in high regard.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Mebbe, all I know of him is what he wrote and most of his workers over the years seem to have had him in high regard.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 08:19 PM (ctrM5)
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169 Blaster's 1911 was the first 45 caliber I'd ever shot and it was a revelation. Who knew that a heavier gun would have less recoil? But there is something about the 1911s that is unique. No matter which model I pick up, it feels right and I can shoot it with some accuracy from the first round. Although my Kimber is a 9mm, it still has that solid feel. Both Blaster and I put a lot of ammo through it yesterday and made big round holes in the targets. We were shooting at 7 yards. Want to try 10 yds next time.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 02, 2025 08:14 PM (t/2Uw)
My Ruger .45's recoil is about the same as my H&K VP9 9mm and I shoot better with it, so it's my nightstand gun.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 02, 2025 08:14 PM (t/2Uw)
My Ruger .45's recoil is about the same as my H&K VP9 9mm and I shoot better with it, so it's my nightstand gun.
Posted by: jsg at February 02, 2025 08:19 PM (Ezjag)
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140 Scarymary, one of the fun things at the MoMe is the kinda IDPA range where you get to move and shoot.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 02, 2025 08:04 PM (mB6WH)
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Thank you, Ben Had. That sounds fun!
Posted by: Ben Had at February 02, 2025 08:04 PM (mB6WH)
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Thank you, Ben Had. That sounds fun!
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 08:21 PM (ytIDq)
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Take any firearm, metal framed or polymer down to about 20 oz of total weight and shooting it is gonna be work and relatively unpleasant due to greater felt recoil.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 08:17 PM (ctrM5)
It's not exactly on the 20 oz mark Whig set, but shooting 125 grain .357 Magnum Hydrashoks out of one of the new Colt King Cobras with a 3" barrel is definitely work and not fun.
Take any firearm, metal framed or polymer down to about 20 oz of total weight and shooting it is gonna be work and relatively unpleasant due to greater felt recoil.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 08:17 PM (ctrM5)
It's not exactly on the 20 oz mark Whig set, but shooting 125 grain .357 Magnum Hydrashoks out of one of the new Colt King Cobras with a 3" barrel is definitely work and not fun.
Posted by: Ed L at February 02, 2025 08:21 PM (AiJK3)
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But as a self defense round, it's the only gun I've heard of where people getting shot by the round say 'hey, stop shooting me' rather than gasping and rattling around on the ground.
Anything CAN work but 5.7 makes it harder.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at February 02, 2025 08:03 PM
The victims of schiesskoph Nidal Hasan would disagree.
Anything CAN work but 5.7 makes it harder.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo, food, water at February 02, 2025 08:03 PM
The victims of schiesskoph Nidal Hasan would disagree.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 08:21 PM (a3Q+t)
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"and of course so does Garand Collectors' Association membership.
Posted by: Oddbob"
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I joined GCA with the intention of buying a Garand from CMP, but in the meanwhile was able to buy a Service Grade from my BIL who was selling off his late father's collection.
Posted by: Oddbob"
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I joined GCA with the intention of buying a Garand from CMP, but in the meanwhile was able to buy a Service Grade from my BIL who was selling off his late father's collection.
Posted by: Cosda at February 02, 2025 08:22 PM (Zhmkh)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Rex, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent Made Glorious Summer By This Son of [New] York at February 02, 2025 08:23 PM (L/fGl)
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Cocking the hammer can make it considerably easier to chamber a round, something Tokarev owners learn as soon as they take one to the range.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
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I am always leary of cocking anything that does not have a decocker on it.
Less so on a semi automatic of a modern design because you can always drop the mag and rack the slide to empty the chamber.
I have enjoyed shooting 1911's but simply do not want to use one for defensive carry because their manual of arms requires training as it should be carried cocked and locked. Requires quite a bit of practice to burn that into muscle memory to do that properly.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
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I am always leary of cocking anything that does not have a decocker on it.
Less so on a semi automatic of a modern design because you can always drop the mag and rack the slide to empty the chamber.
I have enjoyed shooting 1911's but simply do not want to use one for defensive carry because their manual of arms requires training as it should be carried cocked and locked. Requires quite a bit of practice to burn that into muscle memory to do that properly.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 08:24 PM (ctrM5)
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I have a feel good range story from today:
It’s 13 degrees and I have the 300 yard range to myself, until a young couple show up. He’s been teaching his GF shooting for the first time. Said she was dead on over at the tactical range with a 9 mm.
He had her shoot some suppressed AR/M-forgeries and she was nailing it. After she rung steel consistently at 300 with a red dot, I walked over and said that she had to shoot my rifle.
Boyfriend told her it was exactly the same style as what she had been shooting, just a bigger round.
I put the suppressor on so the noise would be reduced. I had it dialed for a silhouette at 300.
She took her time, got used to the bag and squeezed one off.
Clang!
BF liked the fact that the .308 made a loud impact on the steel, unlike the 5.56.
I took a round out and laid it down on the table to show her the difference. Smiles all around.
They were still there when I left.
Nice date.
It’s 13 degrees and I have the 300 yard range to myself, until a young couple show up. He’s been teaching his GF shooting for the first time. Said she was dead on over at the tactical range with a 9 mm.
He had her shoot some suppressed AR/M-forgeries and she was nailing it. After she rung steel consistently at 300 with a red dot, I walked over and said that she had to shoot my rifle.
Boyfriend told her it was exactly the same style as what she had been shooting, just a bigger round.
I put the suppressor on so the noise would be reduced. I had it dialed for a silhouette at 300.
She took her time, got used to the bag and squeezed one off.
Clang!
BF liked the fact that the .308 made a loud impact on the steel, unlike the 5.56.
I took a round out and laid it down on the table to show her the difference. Smiles all around.
They were still there when I left.
Nice date.
Posted by: RI Red at February 02, 2025 08:24 PM (SWLyd)
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Posted by: JTB at February 02, 2025 07:54 PM (yTvNw)
I've had good luck with Berry's 230 grain round nose for loading .45 ACP, so I figured I'd try their .38 wadcutters.
I've had good luck with Berry's 230 grain round nose for loading .45 ACP, so I figured I'd try their .38 wadcutters.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 02, 2025 08:25 PM (ULXRJ)
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did fire a brand new 1911 yesterday because well I couldn't wait. It's sweet, just needs better front sight. Eyes.
Posted by: Eromero at February 02, 2025 08:05 PM
* nods, tips hat *
XS Big Dot?
Posted by: Eromero at February 02, 2025 08:05 PM
* nods, tips hat *
XS Big Dot?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 08:25 PM (a3Q+t)
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The victims of schiesskoph Nidal Hasan would disagree.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 08:21 PM (a3Q+t)
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Shot placement is king.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 08:21 PM (a3Q+t)
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Shot placement is king.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 08:27 PM (ZOv7s)
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Brandon Herrera has an interesting video on YouTube regarding what SHOULD be done in a Trump ATF.
It's well researched from a number of 2A advocacy groups (notably missing from his list is the NRA) on how to go on offense - for example, surrendering on some existing court cases so that the precedent exists in court.
There were some really wonky things that actually sound like they would work.
Oh, and can we get Brandon Herrera for head of ATF?
It's well researched from a number of 2A advocacy groups (notably missing from his list is the NRA) on how to go on offense - for example, surrendering on some existing court cases so that the precedent exists in court.
There were some really wonky things that actually sound like they would work.
Oh, and can we get Brandon Herrera for head of ATF?
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at February 02, 2025 08:27 PM (QfvaV)
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I joined GCA with the intention of buying a Garand from CMP, but in the meanwhile was able to buy a Service Grade from my BIL...
So you wound up with two M1s, right? Right? Anyway, at least you got the excellent quarterly magazine.
So you wound up with two M1s, right? Right? Anyway, at least you got the excellent quarterly magazine.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 02, 2025 08:27 PM (/y8xj)
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Iris, another way you can check yourself to see if you are flinching is to have someone else load a snap cap into your magazine. If you're flinching, that motion should be readily visible to your shooting partners and possibly yourself when you squeeze the trigger on the snap cap. Just make sure you recover the snap cap before finishing out the rest of the magazine.
Posted by: Ed L at February 02, 2025 08:27 PM (AiJK3)
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Shot placement is king.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 08:27 PM (ZOv7s)
Also helps when your targets are unarmed.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 08:27 PM (ZOv7s)
Also helps when your targets are unarmed.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 02, 2025 08:30 PM (8zz6B)
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It's not exactly on the 20 oz mark Whig set, but shooting 125 grain .357 Magnum Hydrashoks out of one of the new Colt King Cobras with a 3" barrel is definitely work and not fun.
Posted by: Ed L
Ed L., Little reason to shoot a 125 gr screamer in 357 Magnum as the shorter barrel kinda of defeats the purpose. That particular load was designed around 4 inch and greater barrels.
If you can find them, 100 gr. Corbon Pow'rball is insanely accurate, light recoiling, and works well using a Safari Land or an HTS speedloader.
Hornady's 140 gr or the Winchester Silvertip in 140 gr are also are quite potent without the blast coming from a short barrel firing a 125 gr.
I spent a lot of time shooting 357 Magnums during the 2000's and have been disappointed that ammo choices haven't advanced much in 357 Magnum since then.
BTW, for those shooting older Smith and Wesson Model 19's etc., the 140 gr loads are kinder to your pistol's longevity as the 125's tend to cause them to wear prematurely with a steady diet of them. Smith came out with the L Frame because of that.
Posted by: Ed L
Ed L., Little reason to shoot a 125 gr screamer in 357 Magnum as the shorter barrel kinda of defeats the purpose. That particular load was designed around 4 inch and greater barrels.
If you can find them, 100 gr. Corbon Pow'rball is insanely accurate, light recoiling, and works well using a Safari Land or an HTS speedloader.
Hornady's 140 gr or the Winchester Silvertip in 140 gr are also are quite potent without the blast coming from a short barrel firing a 125 gr.
I spent a lot of time shooting 357 Magnums during the 2000's and have been disappointed that ammo choices haven't advanced much in 357 Magnum since then.
BTW, for those shooting older Smith and Wesson Model 19's etc., the 140 gr loads are kinder to your pistol's longevity as the 125's tend to cause them to wear prematurely with a steady diet of them. Smith came out with the L Frame because of that.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 08:30 PM (ctrM5)
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I am always leary of cocking anything that does not have a decocker on it.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 08:24 PM (ctrM5)
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If you can't chamber the weapon, you need a different weapon. It's that simple.
I was merely pointing out that Tokarevs are beasts, and you can see why Makarovs came into being so soon after WW II.
I mean, they pack quite a wallop, but there are much more pleasant ways to get a similar amount of dakka.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 08:24 PM (ctrM5)
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If you can't chamber the weapon, you need a different weapon. It's that simple.
I was merely pointing out that Tokarevs are beasts, and you can see why Makarovs came into being so soon after WW II.
I mean, they pack quite a wallop, but there are much more pleasant ways to get a similar amount of dakka.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 08:31 PM (ZOv7s)
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68 Today was Groundhog Day? Did he see his shadow? I'm pretty sick of winter.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 02, 2025 07:31 PM (t/2Uw)
I sent my pastors a meme yesterday that "if the pastor wakes up and sees his shadow tomorrow, there will be six more weeks of this sermon series" -- and they worked it into the service this morning!
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 02, 2025 07:31 PM (t/2Uw)
I sent my pastors a meme yesterday that "if the pastor wakes up and sees his shadow tomorrow, there will be six more weeks of this sermon series" -- and they worked it into the service this morning!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 08:31 PM (v23vE)
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Oh, and can we get Brandon Herrera for head of ATF?
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at February 02, 2025 08:27 PM (QfvaV)
So you want rotating 90 day openings for registration of new MGs too, huh?
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at February 02, 2025 08:27 PM (QfvaV)
So you want rotating 90 day openings for registration of new MGs too, huh?
Posted by: Ed L at February 02, 2025 08:31 PM (AiJK3)
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Thank you, Ben Had. That sounds fun!
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 08:21 PM (ytIDq)
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If you happen to run across a guy called Weasel Buddy Geoff, be very careful. He's clearly a deranged lunatic.
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 08:21 PM (ytIDq)
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If you happen to run across a guy called Weasel Buddy Geoff, be very careful. He's clearly a deranged lunatic.
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2025 08:32 PM (iu4Pw)
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I took a round out and laid it down on the table to show her the difference. Smiles all around.
They were still there when I left.
Nice date.
Posted by: RI Red
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Is your other job Cupid? If so, crossbow or longbow?
They were still there when I left.
Nice date.
Posted by: RI Red
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Is your other job Cupid? If so, crossbow or longbow?
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 08:32 PM (ctrM5)
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I have to bow out for a bit. Mrs. Red reminded me that we have to do our annual viewing of Groundhog Day.
BBL.
BBL.
Posted by: RI Red at February 02, 2025 08:33 PM (SWLyd)
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"So you wound up with two M1s, right? Right? Anyway, at least you got the excellent quarterly magazine.
Posted by: Oddbob "
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I have to say that one was enough but that doesn't sound right.
Posted by: Oddbob "
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I have to say that one was enough but that doesn't sound right.
Posted by: Cosda at February 02, 2025 08:33 PM (Zhmkh)
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I see Iris's report above. She really did work on her fundamentals and you could see a lot of improvement by the end of the session.
She had purchased the P365 (the original) after firing sra blaster's, so they teamed up on a lane to work out the flinch.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat
This is what is so great about getting to work within a group like this. Having someone calling out your hits while you are at the firing line so you can make immediate adjustments. Saying watch me and see if yu can figure out why i"m low.
This all started in Texas with someone standing behind me and watching me shoot. Making sure you're grounded in the basics.So scarymary, I hope you can make it there because it is like nothing else.
She had purchased the P365 (the original) after firing sra blaster's, so they teamed up on a lane to work out the flinch.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat
This is what is so great about getting to work within a group like this. Having someone calling out your hits while you are at the firing line so you can make immediate adjustments. Saying watch me and see if yu can figure out why i"m low.
This all started in Texas with someone standing behind me and watching me shoot. Making sure you're grounded in the basics.So scarymary, I hope you can make it there because it is like nothing else.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 02, 2025 08:34 PM (t/2Uw)
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Also helps when your targets are unarmed.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 02, 2025 08:30 PM (8zz6B)
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Also, the anti-shooter training at the time was literally "Hide and wait for the cops to save you!"
Don't attack the shooter with improvised weapons or district him, no sit on the floor and passively wait your turn in a darkened room.
Such absolute nonsense.
Also helps when your targets are unarmed.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 02, 2025 08:30 PM (8zz6B)
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Also, the anti-shooter training at the time was literally "Hide and wait for the cops to save you!"
Don't attack the shooter with improvised weapons or district him, no sit on the floor and passively wait your turn in a darkened room.
Such absolute nonsense.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 08:35 PM (ZOv7s)
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Whilst perusing a thread on DU about a dinner party someone attended full of Gen Zs that left them with extreme angst, since they were bereft of concerns for Dem talking points, one commenter to the thread replied "Actually David Hogg just won Vice Chair of DNC, maybe there's hope????"
Dunc, thanks on behalf of all the Horde for wading into the fetid sludge that is DU to fish out these nuggets. David Hogg is going to sell lots of firearms in his new position, and not net a single cent of commission for his trouble.
Dunc, thanks on behalf of all the Horde for wading into the fetid sludge that is DU to fish out these nuggets. David Hogg is going to sell lots of firearms in his new position, and not net a single cent of commission for his trouble.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 08:35 PM (v23vE)
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If you can't chamber the weapon, you need a different weapon. It's that simple.
I was merely pointing out that Tokarevs are beasts, and you can see why Makarovs came into being so soon after WW II.
I mean, they pack quite a wallop, but there are much more pleasant ways to get a similar amount of dakka.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
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My pistols are for self defense so I don't collect what I don't shoot and for that reason, I prefer a simpler manual of arms for defensive purposes as I train with those as I shoot them.
Rifles are different. YMMV.
I was merely pointing out that Tokarevs are beasts, and you can see why Makarovs came into being so soon after WW II.
I mean, they pack quite a wallop, but there are much more pleasant ways to get a similar amount of dakka.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
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My pistols are for self defense so I don't collect what I don't shoot and for that reason, I prefer a simpler manual of arms for defensive purposes as I train with those as I shoot them.
Rifles are different. YMMV.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 08:35 PM (ctrM5)
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So you want rotating 90 day openings for registration of new MGs too, huh?
As the left likes to say about every new gun control law, "It's a good first step."
As the left likes to say about every new gun control law, "It's a good first step."
Posted by: Oddbob at February 02, 2025 08:36 PM (/y8xj)
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Ed L., Little reason to shoot a 125 gr screamer in 357 Magnum as the shorter barrel kinda of defeats the purpose. That particular load was designed around 4 inch and greater barrels.
If you can find them, 100 gr. Corbon Pow'rball is insanely accurate, light recoiling, and works well using a Safari Land or an HTS speedloader.
Hornady's 140 gr or the Winchester Silvertip in 140 gr are also are quite potent without the blast coming from a short barrel firing a 125 gr.
I spent a lot of time shooting 357 Magnums during the 2000's and have been disappointed that ammo choices haven't advanced much in 357 Magnum since then.
BTW, for those shooting older Smith and Wesson Model 19's etc., the 140 gr loads are kinder to your pistol's longevity as the 125's tend to cause them to wear prematurely with a steady diet of them. Smith came out with the L Frame because of that.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 08:30 PM (ctrM5)
I did that exactly once because the Hydrashoks were all my LGS had at the time for .357 Magnum defense loads. This was late 2020, in the midst of the Great Ammo Famine. Later, I purchased some .38 Special +P Hydrashoks which are more pleasant to shoot.
If you can find them, 100 gr. Corbon Pow'rball is insanely accurate, light recoiling, and works well using a Safari Land or an HTS speedloader.
Hornady's 140 gr or the Winchester Silvertip in 140 gr are also are quite potent without the blast coming from a short barrel firing a 125 gr.
I spent a lot of time shooting 357 Magnums during the 2000's and have been disappointed that ammo choices haven't advanced much in 357 Magnum since then.
BTW, for those shooting older Smith and Wesson Model 19's etc., the 140 gr loads are kinder to your pistol's longevity as the 125's tend to cause them to wear prematurely with a steady diet of them. Smith came out with the L Frame because of that.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 08:30 PM (ctrM5)
I did that exactly once because the Hydrashoks were all my LGS had at the time for .357 Magnum defense loads. This was late 2020, in the midst of the Great Ammo Famine. Later, I purchased some .38 Special +P Hydrashoks which are more pleasant to shoot.
Posted by: Ed L at February 02, 2025 08:37 PM (AiJK3)
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My pistols are for self defense so I don't collect what I don't shoot and for that reason, I prefer a simpler manual of arms for defensive purposes as I train with those as I shoot them.
Rifles are different. YMMV.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 08:35 PM (ctrM5)
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Before the canoe accident, I had a clear division: functional vs historic. Different rules apply for each group, though I have joked about defending hearth and home with an Astra 400.
Rifles are different. YMMV.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 08:35 PM (ctrM5)
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Before the canoe accident, I had a clear division: functional vs historic. Different rules apply for each group, though I have joked about defending hearth and home with an Astra 400.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 08:38 PM (ZOv7s)
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If you happen to run across a guy called Weasel Buddy Geoff, be very careful. He's clearly a deranged lunatic.
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2025 08:32 PM (iu4Pw)
Oh, he's definitely that. He set me on the path to spending crazy amounts of $$ for something with a giggle switch.
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2025 08:32 PM (iu4Pw)
Oh, he's definitely that. He set me on the path to spending crazy amounts of $$ for something with a giggle switch.
Posted by: Ed L at February 02, 2025 08:40 PM (AiJK3)
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Oh, he's definitely that. He set me on the path to spending crazy amounts of $$ for something with a giggle switch.
Posted by: Ed L at February 02, 2025 08:40 PM (AiJK3)
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And as EdL points out, a bad influence, too!
Posted by: Ed L at February 02, 2025 08:40 PM (AiJK3)
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And as EdL points out, a bad influence, too!
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2025 08:41 PM (iu4Pw)
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I did that exactly once because the Hydrashoks were all my LGS had at the time for .357 Magnum defense loads. This was late 2020, in the midst of the Great Ammo Famine. Later, I purchased some .38 Special +P Hydrashoks which are more pleasant to shoot.
Posted by: Ed L
FWIW, there was one load that was absolutely devastating and designed for short length barrels in .38 +p. I think Federal discontinued it or has production of it on hiatus. Link goes to luckygunner with ballistics testing.
https://tinyurl.com/3hknhs6r
Have that particular load in my snubbie as with 5 rounds, you have to make each shot count.
Posted by: Ed L
FWIW, there was one load that was absolutely devastating and designed for short length barrels in .38 +p. I think Federal discontinued it or has production of it on hiatus. Link goes to luckygunner with ballistics testing.
https://tinyurl.com/3hknhs6r
Have that particular load in my snubbie as with 5 rounds, you have to make each shot count.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 08:41 PM (ctrM5)
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Dunc, thanks on behalf of all the Horde for wading into the fetid sludge that is DU to fish out these nuggets. David Hogg is going to sell lots of firearms in his new position, and not net a single cent of commission for his trouble.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 08:35 PM (v23vE)
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I think we may actually be at the point where gun control ceases to be a political issue at all. Maybe 25 years ago, people could still honestly debate whether concealed carry helped or hindered crime, but the people pushing it now are obvious hypocrites who want your guns taken away, but favor cash-free bond so murderers can kill all the witnesses to their crimes.
Trump was not bit into 2A issues in his first term, and the GOPe rolled him with bumpstocks. He now understands they were snakes, and a Trump DoJ can use sue and settle to destroy gun control at every level. I expect federal civil rights lawsuits against California, Illinois, Oregon, Washington, New York.
And yeah, open up the registry. It's amnesty time.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 08:35 PM (v23vE)
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I think we may actually be at the point where gun control ceases to be a political issue at all. Maybe 25 years ago, people could still honestly debate whether concealed carry helped or hindered crime, but the people pushing it now are obvious hypocrites who want your guns taken away, but favor cash-free bond so murderers can kill all the witnesses to their crimes.
Trump was not bit into 2A issues in his first term, and the GOPe rolled him with bumpstocks. He now understands they were snakes, and a Trump DoJ can use sue and settle to destroy gun control at every level. I expect federal civil rights lawsuits against California, Illinois, Oregon, Washington, New York.
And yeah, open up the registry. It's amnesty time.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 08:42 PM (ZOv7s)
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'Don't attack the shooter with improvised weapons or district him, no sit on the floor and passively wait your turn in a darkened room.'
I'm no badass but I can't conceive just sitting there and waiting to be shot. If I know a shooter's coming, they're getting a hell of surprise as soon as they clear the doorway.
'Don't attack the shooter with improvised weapons or district him, no sit on the floor and passively wait your turn in a darkened room.'
I'm no badass but I can't conceive just sitting there and waiting to be shot. If I know a shooter's coming, they're getting a hell of surprise as soon as they clear the doorway.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at February 02, 2025 08:44 PM (3wi/L)
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But there is something about the 1911s that is unique. No matter which model I pick up, it feels right and I can shoot it with some accuracy from the first round.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 02, 2025 08:14 PM (t/2Uw)
John Moses Browning was divinely inspired. Amen.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 02, 2025 08:14 PM (t/2Uw)
John Moses Browning was divinely inspired. Amen.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 02, 2025 08:44 PM (ULXRJ)
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If you look at what's going on in disarmed Great Britain today, you understand how absolutely brilliant the founding fathers were to write 2A into the Constitution.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 02, 2025 08:45 PM (t/2Uw)
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Ed L. and others,
FWIW, Golden Saber (and now Ultimate Defense) are pretty decently performing loads in 38 Special with 125 gr bullets.
Winchester 130g bullets are also in PDX, Ranger, and Train and Defend.
FWIW, Golden Saber (and now Ultimate Defense) are pretty decently performing loads in 38 Special with 125 gr bullets.
Winchester 130g bullets are also in PDX, Ranger, and Train and Defend.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 08:46 PM (ctrM5)
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I'm maintaining my purchasing embargo because prices are visibly falling. I got an email last week from a vendor (eGunco? I forget) offering Charter Arms revolvers for around $250. That included the Undercoverette chambered in the ne plus ultra of self defense rounds, .32 magnum.
Alas, we still live in clown world, so .32 mag is more expensive than .44 mag or even .44 special. At least the price is falling, but I want that stuff at least on par with much larger, heavier loads.
Alas, we still live in clown world, so .32 mag is more expensive than .44 mag or even .44 special. At least the price is falling, but I want that stuff at least on par with much larger, heavier loads.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 08:46 PM (ZOv7s)
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In case you haven't seen some of the highlights from the DNC elections meeting you are missing out. It was a complete shit show. Behold the insanity:
https://youtu.be/a2KxScHUOyM
They literally learned nothing about why they got their asses handed to them in the last election. They haven't just doubled down on failure, they went all in on infinite failure.
Their stupidity is a masterpiece.
https://youtu.be/a2KxScHUOyM
They literally learned nothing about why they got their asses handed to them in the last election. They haven't just doubled down on failure, they went all in on infinite failure.
Their stupidity is a masterpiece.
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at February 02, 2025 08:47 PM (aeC4O)
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* nods, tips hat *
XS Big Dot?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 08:25 PM (a3Q+t)
Something bright and big like that. Rear sight is fine in black.
XS Big Dot?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 08:25 PM (a3Q+t)
Something bright and big like that. Rear sight is fine in black.
Posted by: Eromero at February 02, 2025 08:47 PM (LHPAg)
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So sra blaster is still on her kick to shoot long range. We are looking for places we can shoot her Howa 1500 APC further out than 100 yards. Peacemaker in WV seems to be an option so hopefully this spring when the weather gets better.
The Howa came bundled with what appears to be decent glass (Nikko Stirling Diamond 4-16x50 Long Range scope) but the argument is being made that I did not get her REALLY GOOD GLASS so apparently I don't love her or something.
There is a lot of buzz around the Arken EP-5 which is more expensiver but not up into the Leupold strata. Can I get away with this? For Leupold money I can buy a tractor.
The Howa came bundled with what appears to be decent glass (Nikko Stirling Diamond 4-16x50 Long Range scope) but the argument is being made that I did not get her REALLY GOOD GLASS so apparently I don't love her or something.
There is a lot of buzz around the Arken EP-5 which is more expensiver but not up into the Leupold strata. Can I get away with this? For Leupold money I can buy a tractor.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at February 02, 2025 08:47 PM (QfvaV)
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I'm no badass but I can't conceive just sitting there and waiting to be shot. If I know a shooter's coming, they're getting a hell of surprise as soon as they clear the doorway.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at February 02, 2025 08:44 PM (3wi/L)
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The last time we had an active shooter drill, I went to the orderly room and we broke down the guidons to use as clubs.
Carry was forbidden because a Scif (which we had) has to be gun-free for some odd reason.
When we moved back into our old building, just about everyone was packing heat, which is how it should be.
I'm no badass but I can't conceive just sitting there and waiting to be shot. If I know a shooter's coming, they're getting a hell of surprise as soon as they clear the doorway.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at February 02, 2025 08:44 PM (3wi/L)
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The last time we had an active shooter drill, I went to the orderly room and we broke down the guidons to use as clubs.
Carry was forbidden because a Scif (which we had) has to be gun-free for some odd reason.
When we moved back into our old building, just about everyone was packing heat, which is how it should be.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 08:49 PM (ZOv7s)
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Went to the range today with my Hawken in .54. Roundball over 100 gr of FFg.
No targets showed up. Walked out at 5:45 when I could no longer see the white bead front sight. End of last season. The gun went bang when I pulled the trigger for a ballistic unload.
Thank you as always, Weasel for such a great online experience. Good night everyone in the GunHorde.
No targets showed up. Walked out at 5:45 when I could no longer see the white bead front sight. End of last season. The gun went bang when I pulled the trigger for a ballistic unload.
Thank you as always, Weasel for such a great online experience. Good night everyone in the GunHorde.
Posted by: Coelacanth at February 02, 2025 08:50 PM (cLEGW)
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I have joked about defending hearth and home with an Astra 400.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 08:38 PM (ZOv7s)
My Astra 600 is a safe queen because it's not much fun to shoot. But it doesn't jam, and when you are out of ammo you can beat the guy to death with it.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 08:38 PM (ZOv7s)
My Astra 600 is a safe queen because it's not much fun to shoot. But it doesn't jam, and when you are out of ammo you can beat the guy to death with it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 02, 2025 08:51 PM (NZsuR)
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I have to say that the current situation is really challenging for me. There I was collecting obscure surplus and now there are all these new production .32s calling out to me. I want the Walther PPK/s AND the Beretta 80X.
But...a Colt 1917 would be longstanding dream come true.
So many options, so little cash.
But...a Colt 1917 would be longstanding dream come true.
So many options, so little cash.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 08:51 PM (ZOv7s)
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214 But there is something about the 1911s that is unique. No matter which model I pick up, it feels right and I can shoot it with some accuracy from the first round.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)
John Moses Browning was divinely inspired. Amen.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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Browning was a genius at firearm design but he also worked at it.
He had a 45 ACP (1905) and 38 ACP (Model 1900 and variants) semi auto designs that worked well under his belt before he tackled the 1911 project. He also designed the 45 ACP and 38 ACP cartridges among others so that these pistol designs were literally designed around the cartridges they would shoot.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)
John Moses Browning was divinely inspired. Amen.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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Browning was a genius at firearm design but he also worked at it.
He had a 45 ACP (1905) and 38 ACP (Model 1900 and variants) semi auto designs that worked well under his belt before he tackled the 1911 project. He also designed the 45 ACP and 38 ACP cartridges among others so that these pistol designs were literally designed around the cartridges they would shoot.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 08:52 PM (ctrM5)
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Col. Cooper had an opinion about everything. Problem was that he could never tell the difference between his opinion and objective fact.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 02, 2025 08:16 PM (/y8xj)
I understand that Charley Askins suffered from that problem, too. Heh
Posted by: Oddbob at February 02, 2025 08:16 PM (/y8xj)
I understand that Charley Askins suffered from that problem, too. Heh
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 02, 2025 08:52 PM (ULXRJ)
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189 The victims of schiesskoph Nidal Hasan would disagree.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 08:21 PM (a3Q+t)
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Shot placement is king.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 08:27 PM (ZOv7s)
I'm surprised ubama didn't make bai-din pardon that jihadi.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 08:21 PM (a3Q+t)
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Shot placement is king.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 08:27 PM (ZOv7s)
I'm surprised ubama didn't make bai-din pardon that jihadi.
Posted by: Eromero at February 02, 2025 08:52 PM (LHPAg)
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I need a new gun because I need a new gun. I am torn between a 50 cal mounted on the roof of my RAV4 or a tactical shotgun mounted on the handlebars of my Honda Trail 125. Thoughts? Prayers? Probably an intervention should be in the mix too.
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at February 02, 2025 08:52 PM (aeC4O)
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There is a lot of buzz around the Arken EP-5 which is more expensiver but not up into the Leupold strata
I have an EP-5. Mechanically, it punches way above its price class. Optically, it's decent but not exceptional. You can see tons of Youtube reviews where people claim that it's as good as Nightforce. It ain't. Modern CAD/CAM can bring down the cost of manufacturing but it can't change physics.
I have an EP-5. Mechanically, it punches way above its price class. Optically, it's decent but not exceptional. You can see tons of Youtube reviews where people claim that it's as good as Nightforce. It ain't. Modern CAD/CAM can bring down the cost of manufacturing but it can't change physics.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 02, 2025 08:53 PM (/y8xj)
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My Astra 600 is a safe queen because it's not much fun to shoot. But it doesn't jam, and when you are out of ammo you can beat the guy to death with it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 02, 2025 08:51 PM (NZsuR)
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Hard to pistol-whip someone with a sub-sub-compact.
But the old steel is up for the task. See also Humphrey Bogart in "To Have and Have Not."
"One of you is going crack, which means the other one is going to take a beating for nothing. So which is it?" They then belts them in the face with a full-sized .38.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 02, 2025 08:51 PM (NZsuR)
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Hard to pistol-whip someone with a sub-sub-compact.
But the old steel is up for the task. See also Humphrey Bogart in "To Have and Have Not."
"One of you is going crack, which means the other one is going to take a beating for nothing. So which is it?" They then belts them in the face with a full-sized .38.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 08:53 PM (ZOv7s)
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Whig, I'm looking at getting one of the new Colt Vipers with a 4" barrel at some point. A smaller frame revolver in .357 should be more shootable with a 4" barrel should be better behaved than a snubbie. At least in theory.
Posted by: Ed L at February 02, 2025 08:54 PM (AiJK3)
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I'm surprised ubama didn't make bai-din pardon that jihadi.
Posted by: Eromero at February 02, 2025 08:52 PM (LHPAg)
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Probably lost in the stampede.
Posted by: Eromero at February 02, 2025 08:52 PM (LHPAg)
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Probably lost in the stampede.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 08:55 PM (ZOv7s)
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I shoot everything I own, but I don't own anything particularly old or valuable. I'm a shooter, not a collector.
Posted by: BillyD at February 02, 2025 08:55 PM (Yt3ED)
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He had a 45 ACP (1905) and 38 ACP (Model 1900 and variants) semi auto designs that worked well under his belt before he tackled the 1911 project. He also designed the 45 ACP and 38 ACP cartridges among others so that these pistol designs were literally designed around the cartridges they would shoot.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 08:52 PM (ctrM5)
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He came up with the idea of making calibers that would work in the same frame and all you had to do was switch out the barrel and magazine on the production line.
Marketing and mechanical genius.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 08:52 PM (ctrM5)
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He came up with the idea of making calibers that would work in the same frame and all you had to do was switch out the barrel and magazine on the production line.
Marketing and mechanical genius.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 08:56 PM (ZOv7s)
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21 Dang.
Watching the news.
They found some drug smugglers also bringing in an RPG with rounds for it. Impressive in and of itself, but whoever these clowns are, they take care of their weapons. Damn thing looked new.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 02, 2025 07:07 PM (W/lyH)
Biden's BATF probably sent it back to China for refurbishment before handing it over to the smugglers.
Watching the news.
They found some drug smugglers also bringing in an RPG with rounds for it. Impressive in and of itself, but whoever these clowns are, they take care of their weapons. Damn thing looked new.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 02, 2025 07:07 PM (W/lyH)
Biden's BATF probably sent it back to China for refurbishment before handing it over to the smugglers.
Posted by: BillyD at February 02, 2025 08:57 PM (Yt3ED)
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I'm surprised ubama didn't make bai-din pardon that jihadi.
Posted by: Eromero at February 02, 2025 08:52 PM (LHPAg)
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Probably lost in the stampede.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 08:55 PM (ZOv7s)
Hasan's on Death Row, isn't he? What are his options? hanging, firing squad, the chair, the needle?
Posted by: Eromero at February 02, 2025 08:52 PM (LHPAg)
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Probably lost in the stampede.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 08:55 PM (ZOv7s)
Hasan's on Death Row, isn't he? What are his options? hanging, firing squad, the chair, the needle?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 02, 2025 08:57 PM (8zz6B)
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Hasan's on Death Row, isn't he? What are his options? hanging, firing squad, the chair, the needle?
Or, most likely, old age.
Or, most likely, old age.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 02, 2025 08:59 PM (/y8xj)
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Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 08:51 PM (ZOv7s)
Would you pick up one of the new Walther PPK/S SD's? First time any centerfire PPK model has come from the factory with a threaded barrel.
Would you pick up one of the new Walther PPK/S SD's? First time any centerfire PPK model has come from the factory with a threaded barrel.
Posted by: Ed L at February 02, 2025 09:00 PM (AiJK3)
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231 Whig, I'm looking at getting one of the new Colt Vipers with a 4" barrel at some point. A smaller frame revolver in .357 should be more shootable with a 4" barrel should be better behaved than a snubbie. At least in theory.
Posted by: Ed L
Try shooting it with 140's instead of the 125 screamers. Ballistics are roughly the same but blast is much reduced.
Even in a 125 gr sd load, you will get less blast when firing it. FWIW, there are some decent loads using Titegroup or W231 for the 357 if you ever get the itch to reload it that reduce significantly the blast from the 357 in 125 gr hollowpoints. Something like 1275-1300 fps loads in a 4 inch barrel which is more than sufficient to expand bullets instead of the 1400 fps+ screamers.
Straightwall cartridges are easy to reload and a good chunk of reloaders start on a 38/357 revolver loads because it lowers the cost of ammo and you can tailor the ammo to your needs from pussycat wadcutters to critter killers in 357 magnum.
Posted by: Ed L
Try shooting it with 140's instead of the 125 screamers. Ballistics are roughly the same but blast is much reduced.
Even in a 125 gr sd load, you will get less blast when firing it. FWIW, there are some decent loads using Titegroup or W231 for the 357 if you ever get the itch to reload it that reduce significantly the blast from the 357 in 125 gr hollowpoints. Something like 1275-1300 fps loads in a 4 inch barrel which is more than sufficient to expand bullets instead of the 1400 fps+ screamers.
Straightwall cartridges are easy to reload and a good chunk of reloaders start on a 38/357 revolver loads because it lowers the cost of ammo and you can tailor the ammo to your needs from pussycat wadcutters to critter killers in 357 magnum.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:00 PM (ctrM5)
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Good fundamentals video in the content Weasel. Thanks for posting.
Posted by: TRex at February 02, 2025 09:00 PM (IQ6Gq)
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39 CMP has 1911A1s in stock again. I'm not in the market, but they have them in March, I may make a move.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 07:16 PM (ZOv7s)
CMP is finally shipping 1911s again because I got one this week. It’s a 1911A1, Ithaca slide and frame, serial 1444xxx so 1943 production. It was a service grade so the slide to frame fit feels pretty decent and not worn out. Need to break it down and give it a good inspection and cleaning before I take it to the range.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 07:16 PM (ZOv7s)
CMP is finally shipping 1911s again because I got one this week. It’s a 1911A1, Ithaca slide and frame, serial 1444xxx so 1943 production. It was a service grade so the slide to frame fit feels pretty decent and not worn out. Need to break it down and give it a good inspection and cleaning before I take it to the range.
Posted by: Arch Stanton at February 02, 2025 09:00 PM (s1Znz)
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I shoot everything I own, but I don't own anything particularly old or valuable. I'm a shooter, not a collector.
Posted by: BillyD at February 02, 2025 08:55 PM (Yt3ED)
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As I said upthread, I collect but I want to shoot as well. Ammunition is the chief obstacle to that. Some calibers are just harder to find.
As to what I collect? I like history, and it's neat to handle and use the actual weapons in conflicts. You gain a different understanding of what the soldiers went through and also ergonomics of the time. For example, .32 ACP today is generally derided as a mouse gun, but when you compare it with behemoths like the Astra 400 or even the c96 Mauser, and imagine how it would feel to carry them all day, day after day, .32 seems a decent idea.
Fit and finish are also interesting, plus there's some strange stuff out there. I mean, if you want a Mauser Kar98k, you can find them in great quantities, but what about one made by Nationalist China during WW II? That's neat.
Posted by: BillyD at February 02, 2025 08:55 PM (Yt3ED)
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As I said upthread, I collect but I want to shoot as well. Ammunition is the chief obstacle to that. Some calibers are just harder to find.
As to what I collect? I like history, and it's neat to handle and use the actual weapons in conflicts. You gain a different understanding of what the soldiers went through and also ergonomics of the time. For example, .32 ACP today is generally derided as a mouse gun, but when you compare it with behemoths like the Astra 400 or even the c96 Mauser, and imagine how it would feel to carry them all day, day after day, .32 seems a decent idea.
Fit and finish are also interesting, plus there's some strange stuff out there. I mean, if you want a Mauser Kar98k, you can find them in great quantities, but what about one made by Nationalist China during WW II? That's neat.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 09:01 PM (ZOv7s)
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Musical Interlude.
Cash Box Kings
Ain't No Fun (When the Rabbit Has the Gun)
https://youtu.be/PMk28fgE7yc
Cash Box Kings
Ain't No Fun (When the Rabbit Has the Gun)
https://youtu.be/PMk28fgE7yc
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at February 02, 2025 09:02 PM (aeC4O)
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43 Loaded my first .38 Specials this week, 148 grain Berry's Bullets double-ended wadcutters. Got down to the farm too late today to shoot, but raring to try them out tomorrow.
Amazing the teeny tiny amount of powder in a charge, and the very narrow range from minimum to maximum recommended load.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 02, 2025 07:17 PM (ULXRJ)
Lightly loaded wadcutters in a .38 are fun! I use pretty close to the minimum published load of Bullseye and get very good accuracy. The accuracy potential of that load exceeds my meager shooting ability.
Amazing the teeny tiny amount of powder in a charge, and the very narrow range from minimum to maximum recommended load.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 02, 2025 07:17 PM (ULXRJ)
Lightly loaded wadcutters in a .38 are fun! I use pretty close to the minimum published load of Bullseye and get very good accuracy. The accuracy potential of that load exceeds my meager shooting ability.
Posted by: BillyD at February 02, 2025 09:02 PM (Yt3ED)
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Would you pick up one of the new Walther PPK/S SD's? First time any centerfire PPK model has come from the factory with a threaded barrel.
Posted by: Ed L at February 02, 2025 09:00 PM (AiJK3)
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I'm not a huge fan of suppressors, in part because I'm about the "authentic" feel of stuff.
While suppressing a .32 seems excessive, the point of the PPK was its compactness.
Posted by: Ed L at February 02, 2025 09:00 PM (AiJK3)
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I'm not a huge fan of suppressors, in part because I'm about the "authentic" feel of stuff.
While suppressing a .32 seems excessive, the point of the PPK was its compactness.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 09:03 PM (ZOv7s)
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He came up with the idea of making calibers that would work in the same frame and all you had to do was switch out the barrel and magazine on the production line.
Marketing and mechanical genius.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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True for the Colt 1903/08 (32 ACP/380 ACP) but I don't think that is true of his 1900 (38 ACP) and his 1905 (in 45 ACP).
I do think it is recommended that you change recoil springs if you go the 1903/08 route though.
The 38 Super for the 1911 came about after Browning was dead, I think due to Colt fulfilling leo demand for a bullet that would shoot through car doors, etc at the time.
Marketing and mechanical genius.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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True for the Colt 1903/08 (32 ACP/380 ACP) but I don't think that is true of his 1900 (38 ACP) and his 1905 (in 45 ACP).
I do think it is recommended that you change recoil springs if you go the 1903/08 route though.
The 38 Super for the 1911 came about after Browning was dead, I think due to Colt fulfilling leo demand for a bullet that would shoot through car doors, etc at the time.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:04 PM (ctrM5)
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I only shoot when the temperature is above 50 degrees, so I don't shoot in the winter. I let DH and his buddies go shoot everything, and they do, but I'm not freezing my ass to do that. I will shoot in the winter if it is a moose attacking the dogs, or some jackass breaking into my house. But no, I don't shoot in the winter.
I do, however, provide mulled cider and hot cheese fondue when they return from shooting. Let me know when you are in the neighborhood.
I do, however, provide mulled cider and hot cheese fondue when they return from shooting. Let me know when you are in the neighborhood.
Posted by: tcn in AK at February 02, 2025 09:04 PM (GUxWu)
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...have you been to the range?
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Sorry I'm late, but yes, I have been to the range! I had a range date this weekend with Catch Thirty-Thr33. He brought his M18, Beretta 9mm, and P226. I had shot J's Beretta, but never liked it because it always jammed on me. My Beretta experience was much better this time, but I LOVED the P226 and immediately wondered why I don't have one! C33 was lights out all day. I hadn't done any shooting since Corsicana, so I had low expectations for myself, but I shot fairly well by my standards. The dreaded flinch only made a couple of unwelcome appearances. In no time at all we burned through 400 rounds. A most excellent range day!
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Sorry I'm late, but yes, I have been to the range! I had a range date this weekend with Catch Thirty-Thr33. He brought his M18, Beretta 9mm, and P226. I had shot J's Beretta, but never liked it because it always jammed on me. My Beretta experience was much better this time, but I LOVED the P226 and immediately wondered why I don't have one! C33 was lights out all day. I hadn't done any shooting since Corsicana, so I had low expectations for myself, but I shot fairly well by my standards. The dreaded flinch only made a couple of unwelcome appearances. In no time at all we burned through 400 rounds. A most excellent range day!
Posted by: screaming in digital at February 02, 2025 09:05 PM (6jgSB)
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Saw a video (my youtube algorithm must ring up the ATF/FBI etc everytime I start surfing) on a guy who had a "Battlebox" which was basically his firearm bug out bag. Because, as he said, you probably have a lot of guns, you aren't going to take them all with you in bug out situation.
Which is true. Thinking about it, if I were going to make such a thing I would probably throw in an Extar EP-9 and PSA Dagger. They share ammo and mags which seems like a plus. Cheap and light and if its going to sit in a box most of the time, not a huge investment.
Which is true. Thinking about it, if I were going to make such a thing I would probably throw in an Extar EP-9 and PSA Dagger. They share ammo and mags which seems like a plus. Cheap and light and if its going to sit in a box most of the time, not a huge investment.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at February 02, 2025 09:05 PM (QfvaV)
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If you look at what's going on in disarmed Great Britain today, you understand how absolutely brilliant the founding fathers were to write 2A into the Constitution.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 02, 2025 08:45 PM (t/2Uw)
It is shameful and sad. They can't even have a steak knife now. Poor sods.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 02, 2025 08:45 PM (t/2Uw)
It is shameful and sad. They can't even have a steak knife now. Poor sods.
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 09:06 PM (ytIDq)
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244 43 Loaded my first .38 Specials this week, 148 grain Berry's Bullets double-ended wadcutters. Got down to the farm too late today to shoot, but raring to try them out tomorrow.
Amazing the teeny tiny amount of powder in a charge, and the very narrow range from minimum to maximum recommended load.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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For someone that is very recoil averse, one could do worse than load wadcutters in a revolver as self defense ammo. Won't expand but will cut a .36 inch hole and penetrate enough to get into vital organs.
Amazing the teeny tiny amount of powder in a charge, and the very narrow range from minimum to maximum recommended load.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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For someone that is very recoil averse, one could do worse than load wadcutters in a revolver as self defense ammo. Won't expand but will cut a .36 inch hole and penetrate enough to get into vital organs.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:06 PM (ctrM5)
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Ordered the picture book above for DH. He cleans all of it, but it doesn't hurt to not end up with that little bag of important looking shit when he's done.
Posted by: tcn in AK at February 02, 2025 09:06 PM (GUxWu)
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Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:00 PM (ctrM5)
Whig, thanks for the tip about the 140 grain .357 ammo vice 125 grain. I'll start looking for some. I don't reload because I just don't have enough room to set something up. At least for now.
Whig, thanks for the tip about the 140 grain .357 ammo vice 125 grain. I'll start looking for some. I don't reload because I just don't have enough room to set something up. At least for now.
Posted by: Ed L at February 02, 2025 09:07 PM (AiJK3)
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'Hasan's on Death Row, isn't he? What are his options? hanging, firing squad, the chair, the needle?'
Just put his head in a bucket of water.
'Hasan's on Death Row, isn't he? What are his options? hanging, firing squad, the chair, the needle?'
Just put his head in a bucket of water.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at February 02, 2025 09:07 PM (3wi/L)
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I'm looking to make .357 Sig my carry gun so I'm building a glock 31.
Posted by: Erebus- Ex Killer Whale at February 02, 2025 09:07 PM (elaR+)
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It is shameful and sad. They can't even have a steak knife now. Poor sods.
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 09:06 PM (ytIDq)
Pretty sure that's only when somebody is looking. I should think the average British farmer has a bolt hole or two.
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 09:06 PM (ytIDq)
Pretty sure that's only when somebody is looking. I should think the average British farmer has a bolt hole or two.
Posted by: tcn in AK at February 02, 2025 09:07 PM (GUxWu)
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CMP is finally shipping 1911s again because I got one this week. It’s a 1911A1, Ithaca slide and frame, serial 1444xxx so 1943 production. It was a service grade so the slide to frame fit feels pretty decent and not worn out. Need to break it down and give it a good inspection and cleaning before I take it to the range.
Posted by: Arch Stanton
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Thanks for the report. Give the thread an update as a lot of folks here would be interested in those 1911's.
Posted by: Arch Stanton
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Thanks for the report. Give the thread an update as a lot of folks here would be interested in those 1911's.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:08 PM (ctrM5)
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Tweren't no groundhogs seeing anything other than lead today in this neighborhood. Gotta fatten up the magpies for later.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at February 02, 2025 09:08 PM (hXQfZ)
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Pretty sure that's only when somebody is looking. I should think the average British farmer has a bolt hole or two.
Posted by: tcn in AK at February 02, 2025 09:07 PM (GUxWu)
I hope so...Starmer and labour are doing their best to rid Britain of those pesky farmers. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like an absolute mess over there.
Posted by: tcn in AK at February 02, 2025 09:07 PM (GUxWu)
I hope so...Starmer and labour are doing their best to rid Britain of those pesky farmers. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like an absolute mess over there.
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 09:10 PM (ytIDq)
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I understand that Charley Askins suffered from that problem, too. Heh
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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Askins was a stone cold killer and not someone to trifle with. AFAIK, he was the first person (as a military advisor to Vietnam) to kill a Viet Cong with his 44 Magnum revolver. Then you have his other war record and his time as a Border Patrol agent.
Not someone to trifle with and certainly someone like Cooper that saw the elephant in wartime (and peacetime for Askins as well).
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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Askins was a stone cold killer and not someone to trifle with. AFAIK, he was the first person (as a military advisor to Vietnam) to kill a Viet Cong with his 44 Magnum revolver. Then you have his other war record and his time as a Border Patrol agent.
Not someone to trifle with and certainly someone like Cooper that saw the elephant in wartime (and peacetime for Askins as well).
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:10 PM (ctrM5)
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I would guess hvy weapons are from Mexican military sold to a cartel
Posted by: Skip at February 02, 2025 09:10 PM (fwDg9)
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Breaking news - after meeting with Marco Rubio, the president of Panama says they won't be renewing their contract with China.
Are we getting tired of winning yet?
Are we getting tired of winning yet?
Posted by: ALH is a girl at February 02, 2025 09:11 PM (atg3u)
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250 If you look at what's going on in disarmed Great Britain today, you understand how absolutely brilliant the founding fathers were to write 2A into the Constitution.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 02, 2025 08:45 PM (t/2Uw)
It is shameful and sad. They can't even have a steak knife now. Poor sods.
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 09:06 PM (ytIDq)
'I say old chap, why are you carrying that bloody brick?'
- patrolman Bobbie
'Brick? Why this is a paperweight. It just has a bit of blood on it.'
-a random bearded 'immigrant'
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 02, 2025 08:45 PM (t/2Uw)
It is shameful and sad. They can't even have a steak knife now. Poor sods.
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 09:06 PM (ytIDq)
'I say old chap, why are you carrying that bloody brick?'
- patrolman Bobbie
'Brick? Why this is a paperweight. It just has a bit of blood on it.'
-a random bearded 'immigrant'
Posted by: Eromero at February 02, 2025 09:11 PM (LHPAg)
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I have a Winchester 62a that is 99 percent. About the only thing I don't shoot. It's so damn pretty. I think I will buy another pump to shoot. Savage has a new one out.
Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at February 02, 2025 09:12 PM (WF/xn)
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248 Sorry I'm late, but yes, I have been to the range! ... I LOVED the P226 and immediately wondered why I don't have one! A most excellent range day!
Posted by: screaming in digital at February 02, 2025 09:05 PM
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SiD! Good to see you here. Glad you had a good range day. Can confirm - the P226 is pretty OK.
Posted by: screaming in digital at February 02, 2025 09:05 PM
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SiD! Good to see you here. Glad you had a good range day. Can confirm - the P226 is pretty OK.
Posted by: TRex at February 02, 2025 09:13 PM (IQ6Gq)
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'I say old chap, why are you carrying that bloody brick?'
- patrolman Bobbie
'Brick? Why this is a paperweight. It just has a bit of blood on it.'
-a random bearded 'immigrant'
Posted by: Eromero at February 02, 2025 09:11 PM (LHPAg)
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They can't even use point-ed sticks to defend against fruit anymore. Sad.
- patrolman Bobbie
'Brick? Why this is a paperweight. It just has a bit of blood on it.'
-a random bearded 'immigrant'
Posted by: Eromero at February 02, 2025 09:11 PM (LHPAg)
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They can't even use point-ed sticks to defend against fruit anymore. Sad.
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 09:14 PM (ytIDq)
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Actually Savage makes a new lever, not pump
Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at February 02, 2025 09:15 PM (WF/xn)
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Whig, thanks for the tip about the 140 grain .357 ammo vice 125 grain. I'll start looking for some. I don't reload because I just don't have enough room to set something up. At least for now.
Posted by: Ed L
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I started with a hand press, lee dies, and their included powder scoop. Did use their old hand primer for priming the brass. And used W231 powder. That reloading setup fit in a small box scarcely larger than a shoebox and costs even now about $100 bucks plus the powder, box of bullets, and primers--about another 60-75 bucks nowadays.
Did it so I could have dead soft swaged lead158 gr semi wadcutter hollow points. Still saved money on reloading 38 Special after I loaded 100 rounds of those bullets.
Posted by: Ed L
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I started with a hand press, lee dies, and their included powder scoop. Did use their old hand primer for priming the brass. And used W231 powder. That reloading setup fit in a small box scarcely larger than a shoebox and costs even now about $100 bucks plus the powder, box of bullets, and primers--about another 60-75 bucks nowadays.
Did it so I could have dead soft swaged lead158 gr semi wadcutter hollow points. Still saved money on reloading 38 Special after I loaded 100 rounds of those bullets.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:15 PM (ctrM5)
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I would guess hvy weapons are from Mexican military sold to a cartel
Posted by: Skip at February 02, 2025 09:10 PM (fwDg9)
When times got tough, the M-19 guerrilla group in Colombia began selling weapons they got from the USSR on the black market for $$. The Cubans have also sold a decent part of their stash of weapons on the black market too.
Posted by: Skip at February 02, 2025 09:10 PM (fwDg9)
When times got tough, the M-19 guerrilla group in Colombia began selling weapons they got from the USSR on the black market for $$. The Cubans have also sold a decent part of their stash of weapons on the black market too.
Posted by: Ed L at February 02, 2025 09:16 PM (AiJK3)
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My pistols are for self defense so I don't collect what I don't shoot and for that reason, I prefer a simpler manual of arms for defensive purposes as I train with those as I shoot them.
Rifles are different. YMMV.
Posted by: whig
This where I am at too. My original CCW was a S&W .38 J Frame because it was a near guarantee to work when it was most needed. I sold it to buy a Ruger LCP .380 because of the size. Years down the road I am thinking I would have been better served with my original choice. More likely than not I will be in the market for a J Frame again this year.
Rifles are different. YMMV.
Posted by: whig
This where I am at too. My original CCW was a S&W .38 J Frame because it was a near guarantee to work when it was most needed. I sold it to buy a Ruger LCP .380 because of the size. Years down the road I am thinking I would have been better served with my original choice. More likely than not I will be in the market for a J Frame again this year.
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at February 02, 2025 09:17 PM (aeC4O)
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Breaking news - after meeting with Marco Rubio, the president of Panama says they won't be renewing their contract with China.
Are we getting tired of winning yet?
Posted by: ALH is a girl at February 02, 2025 09:11 PM (atg3u)
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Some people think Marco is a squish, just playing at being tough, but I think he always had a feral side to him, and was told by consultants to dial it down because reasons.
Trump talked to him, gauged his true measure, and knew what the rest of DC did not: the man is a stone-cold killer and ready to vent his spleen across all the continents.
Are we getting tired of winning yet?
Posted by: ALH is a girl at February 02, 2025 09:11 PM (atg3u)
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Some people think Marco is a squish, just playing at being tough, but I think he always had a feral side to him, and was told by consultants to dial it down because reasons.
Trump talked to him, gauged his true measure, and knew what the rest of DC did not: the man is a stone-cold killer and ready to vent his spleen across all the continents.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 09:17 PM (ZOv7s)
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267 Actually Savage makes a new lever, not pump
Posted by: Hatari
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Back to the future, Savage had an innovative lever (their 1899 and later 99) action which it produced until demand fell and it was too expensive to make anymore. Rotary magazine instead of tube meant it could handle spitzer bullets and Savage was a marketing genius inventing several new cartridges for his rifles.
Posted by: Hatari
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Back to the future, Savage had an innovative lever (their 1899 and later 99) action which it produced until demand fell and it was too expensive to make anymore. Rotary magazine instead of tube meant it could handle spitzer bullets and Savage was a marketing genius inventing several new cartridges for his rifles.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:18 PM (ctrM5)
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262 Breaking news - after meeting with Marco Rubio, the president of Panama says they won't be renewing their contract with China.
Are we getting tired of winning yet?
_______
[Looks at first page of talking points. Frowns. Turns page. Turns back to first page.]
"You're a racist."
Are we getting tired of winning yet?
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[Looks at first page of talking points. Frowns. Turns page. Turns back to first page.]
"You're a racist."
Posted by: Purple-Haired South Boston Land Whale at February 02, 2025 09:18 PM (qUkBO)
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It is shameful and sad. They can't even have a steak knife now. Poor sods.
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 09:06 PM (ytIDq)
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It's worse than that. Air pistols were okay, but then people began finding ways to boost them because they needed something, so then that went away.
The British government is bound and determined to make its population completely incapable of self defense.
Can't say we didn't warn them.
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 09:06 PM (ytIDq)
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It's worse than that. Air pistols were okay, but then people began finding ways to boost them because they needed something, so then that went away.
The British government is bound and determined to make its population completely incapable of self defense.
Can't say we didn't warn them.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 09:19 PM (ZOv7s)
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This where I am at too. My original CCW was a S&W .38 J Frame because it was a near guarantee to work when it was most needed. I sold it to buy a Ruger LCP .380 because of the size. Years down the road I am thinking I would have been better served with my original choice. More likely than not I will be in the market for a J Frame again this year.
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram
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J Frames are a bit harder to shoot but comforting to conceal. I found Hogue Grips to make a difference on them and prefer steel frames.
Still use snubbies when walking the dog. FWIW, using mechanical Ransom rests, the J Frames are just as accurate as their bigger siblings K, L, or N frame revolvers.
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram
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J Frames are a bit harder to shoot but comforting to conceal. I found Hogue Grips to make a difference on them and prefer steel frames.
Still use snubbies when walking the dog. FWIW, using mechanical Ransom rests, the J Frames are just as accurate as their bigger siblings K, L, or N frame revolvers.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:21 PM (ctrM5)
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OK all y'all! 9:21 thank you time!
Thank you! I really appreciate your being here tonight and hope to see you next Sunday!
All y'all is the best.
Thank you! I really appreciate your being here tonight and hope to see you next Sunday!
All y'all is the best.
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2025 09:21 PM (iu4Pw)
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Rumor about town is that 40% of the students didn't show up to school this week because ICE was in town (Massachusetts). I'm looking forward to a significant reduction in my property taxes, which have risen 60% in the last five years.
Posted by: Anti-Faucist at February 02, 2025 09:22 PM (qUkBO)
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All firearms are designed to discharge ammunition. Anything less is heresy.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at February 02, 2025 09:22 PM (hXQfZ)
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Breaking news - after meeting with Marco Rubio, the president of Panama says they won't be renewing their contract with China.
Are we getting tired of winning yet?
Posted by: ALH is a girl at February 02, 2025 09:11 PM (atg3u)
Little Marco is en fuego!
Seriously, I enjoyed his interview with Megyn Kelly last week. It helped me understand the Panama Canal and Greenland issues much better.
And I am not tired of winning!
Are we getting tired of winning yet?
Posted by: ALH is a girl at February 02, 2025 09:11 PM (atg3u)
Little Marco is en fuego!
Seriously, I enjoyed his interview with Megyn Kelly last week. It helped me understand the Panama Canal and Greenland issues much better.
And I am not tired of winning!
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 09:23 PM (ytIDq)
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SiD! Good to see you here. Glad you had a good range day. Can confirm - the P226 is pretty OK.
Posted by: TRex at February 02, 2025 09:13 PM (IQ6Gq)
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The P226 is exceptional. I've conducted trials with it against other "wonder 9s" in my collection, and it destroyed them all.
When you take aim, it's like a bunch of German scientist materialize next to you, and move the weapon into the exact position it need to be at and all you do is pull the trigger, which is outstanding.
It's a rare example of a firearm that makes me better.
Posted by: TRex at February 02, 2025 09:13 PM (IQ6Gq)
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The P226 is exceptional. I've conducted trials with it against other "wonder 9s" in my collection, and it destroyed them all.
When you take aim, it's like a bunch of German scientist materialize next to you, and move the weapon into the exact position it need to be at and all you do is pull the trigger, which is outstanding.
It's a rare example of a firearm that makes me better.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 09:24 PM (ZOv7s)
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I haven't shot since my abysmal performance at the TXMoMe of 2002, I think it was. I did buy a rest. I have filled it with sand and might give it a go soon.
My old rest consisted of a 50 round plastic bullet box with a dishrag on top (to protect my rifles forearm) and a little sand filled bag for the butt stock that my wife made for me. The range I used to shoot at is dead flat, so it worked OK. So I'm cheap.
My old rest consisted of a 50 round plastic bullet box with a dishrag on top (to protect my rifles forearm) and a little sand filled bag for the butt stock that my wife made for me. The range I used to shoot at is dead flat, so it worked OK. So I'm cheap.
Posted by: javems at February 02, 2025 09:24 PM (8I4hW)
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:24 PM (ctrM5)
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The range I used to shoot at is dead flat, so it worked OK. So I'm cheap.
Posted by: javems
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I hope you are doing well Javems after surviving the Great Blizzard of the Gulf of America.
Posted by: javems
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I hope you are doing well Javems after surviving the Great Blizzard of the Gulf of America.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:25 PM (ctrM5)
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All firearms are designed to discharge ammunition. Anything less is heresy.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at February 02, 2025 09:22 PM (hXQfZ)
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Counterpoint: at some point I'm going to buy one of those 16th Century Japanese matchlocks, and I will never fire it. It will be an object d'art.
Posted by: Rev. Wishbone at February 02, 2025 09:22 PM (hXQfZ)
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Counterpoint: at some point I'm going to buy one of those 16th Century Japanese matchlocks, and I will never fire it. It will be an object d'art.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 09:26 PM (ZOv7s)
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Little Marco is en fuego!
Seriously, I enjoyed his interview with Megyn Kelly last week. It helped me understand the Panama Canal and Greenland issues much better.
And I am not tired of winning!
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 09:23 PM (ytIDq)
I'm gaining new respect for him, even if he is short.
Seriously, I enjoyed his interview with Megyn Kelly last week. It helped me understand the Panama Canal and Greenland issues much better.
And I am not tired of winning!
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 09:23 PM (ytIDq)
I'm gaining new respect for him, even if he is short.
Posted by: javems at February 02, 2025 09:26 PM (8I4hW)
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Counterpoint: at some point I'm going to buy one of those 16th Century Japanese matchlocks, and I will never fire it. It will be an object d'art.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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Hopefully you are in line for a cash settlement of some sort from the vaxx issue.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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Hopefully you are in line for a cash settlement of some sort from the vaxx issue.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:27 PM (ctrM5)
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Thanks for another great Gub Thread, Weasel.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 02, 2025 09:27 PM (Wnv9h)
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Thanks for hosting, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at February 02, 2025 09:27 PM (AiJK3)
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J Frames are a bit harder to shoot but comforting to conceal. I found Hogue Grips to make a difference on them and prefer steel frames.
Still use snubbies when walking the dog. FWIW, using mechanical Ransom rests, the J Frames are just as accurate as their bigger siblings K, L, or N frame revolvers.
Posted by: whig
Yes, Hogue grips do make a difference. For me CCWs are for when there are exactly zero other options. Plus woman's clothing is totally sub-optimal CCW purposes hence my preference extremely small and light CCW firearms.
Still use snubbies when walking the dog. FWIW, using mechanical Ransom rests, the J Frames are just as accurate as their bigger siblings K, L, or N frame revolvers.
Posted by: whig
Yes, Hogue grips do make a difference. For me CCWs are for when there are exactly zero other options. Plus woman's clothing is totally sub-optimal CCW purposes hence my preference extremely small and light CCW firearms.
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at February 02, 2025 09:28 PM (aeC4O)
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Hopefully you are in line for a cash settlement of some sort from the vaxx issue.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:27 PM (ctrM5)
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I do meet the criteria set out in the Executive Order. I figure it will take a while for the services to figure out how to implement it. My wife is afraid I will actually go back into uniform, but I think it will be easier for everyone involved to just update my retirement date and send me a check.
A very large check. Some of which will go to range toys.
But we'll see.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:27 PM (ctrM5)
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I do meet the criteria set out in the Executive Order. I figure it will take a while for the services to figure out how to implement it. My wife is afraid I will actually go back into uniform, but I think it will be easier for everyone involved to just update my retirement date and send me a check.
A very large check. Some of which will go to range toys.
But we'll see.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 09:29 PM (ZOv7s)
Posted by: Oddbob at February 02, 2025 09:30 PM (/y8xj)
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I hope you are doing well Javems after surviving the Great Blizzard of the Gulf of America.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:25 PM (ctrM5)
Thanks, whig. It was amazing. We got at least nine inches of show at the house. We did have some damage from the thaw, refreeze cycle. I have a brother-in-law coming into town to help me fix it.
Hope all is well with you
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:25 PM (ctrM5)
Thanks, whig. It was amazing. We got at least nine inches of show at the house. We did have some damage from the thaw, refreeze cycle. I have a brother-in-law coming into town to help me fix it.
Hope all is well with you
Posted by: javems at February 02, 2025 09:30 PM (8I4hW)
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John Moses Browning was divinely inspired. Amen.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 02, 2025 08:44 PM
So say we all.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 02, 2025 08:44 PM
So say we all.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 09:30 PM (a3Q+t)
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Thank you! I really appreciate your being here tonight and hope to see you next Sunday!
All y'all is the best.
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2025 09:21 PM (iu4Pw)
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Thank you, Weasel! Drop me an email if you want me to submit stuff as I used to do. Link through nick as always.
All y'all is the best.
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2025 09:21 PM (iu4Pw)
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Thank you, Weasel! Drop me an email if you want me to submit stuff as I used to do. Link through nick as always.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 09:31 PM (ZOv7s)
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Something I seldom notice when discussing 357s for personal protection is the noise factor. That round is painful to hear even at the range unless your ear protection is good enough, more so from a snubby. Firing one in enclosed space without any ear protection would be so painful it might stop any needed follow-on shots. And you can say goodbye to your hearing for a while. A 38 special isn't quiet but not as damaging and physically disruptive as a 357. That's why any revolvers I have for home defence have 38s.
Posted by: JTB at February 02, 2025 09:31 PM (yTvNw)
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276 OK all y'all! 9:21 thank you time!
Thank you! I really appreciate your being here tonight and hope to see you next Sunday!
All y'all is the best.
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2025 09:21 PM (iu4Pw)
Thanks for the forum each week, boss.
Thank you! I really appreciate your being here tonight and hope to see you next Sunday!
All y'all is the best.
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2025 09:21 PM (iu4Pw)
Thanks for the forum each week, boss.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:31 PM (v23vE)
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More likely than not I will be in the market for a J Frame again this year.
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at February 02, 2025 09:17 PM (aeC4O)
FYI, S&W is bringing back the classic Model 36 Chief's Special in blue this year. This time, it'll come without the hated lock.
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at February 02, 2025 09:17 PM (aeC4O)
FYI, S&W is bringing back the classic Model 36 Chief's Special in blue this year. This time, it'll come without the hated lock.
Posted by: Ed L at February 02, 2025 09:31 PM (AiJK3)
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Something I seldom notice when discussing 357s for personal protection is the noise factor.
Posted by: JTB at February 02, 2025 09:31 PM (yTvNw)
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The theory is that it is a once-in-a-lifetime event, so a secondary consideration.
That being said, this is another argument in favor of lighter calibers that one is more comfortable shooting and therefore more accurate with.
Posted by: JTB at February 02, 2025 09:31 PM (yTvNw)
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The theory is that it is a once-in-a-lifetime event, so a secondary consideration.
That being said, this is another argument in favor of lighter calibers that one is more comfortable shooting and therefore more accurate with.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 09:34 PM (ZOv7s)
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Yes, Hogue grips do make a difference. For me CCWs are for when there are exactly zero other options. Plus woman's clothing is totally sub-optimal CCW purposes hence my preference extremely small and light CCW firearms.
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram
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Totally true. For a long time, it was difficult for female specific holsters that were also comfortable to carry.
Mas Ayoob terms it weasel craft and any good ole snubbie is pretty good at that such as jacket pocket carry and so on.
Even ankle holsters which are useful for driving long distances.
Hope your RAV tragedy has been sorted out.
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram
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Totally true. For a long time, it was difficult for female specific holsters that were also comfortable to carry.
Mas Ayoob terms it weasel craft and any good ole snubbie is pretty good at that such as jacket pocket carry and so on.
Even ankle holsters which are useful for driving long distances.
Hope your RAV tragedy has been sorted out.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:34 PM (ctrM5)
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300!
Posted by: TRex at February 02, 2025 09:34 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I'm gaining new respect for him, even if he is short.
Posted by: javems at February 02, 2025 09:26 PM (8I4hW)
It is obvious to me that Pres. Trump is not considering Europe much at all. They are a sad afterthought. Having Rubio as Sec. of State for the new Monroe Doctrine makes sense.
Posted by: javems at February 02, 2025 09:26 PM (8I4hW)
It is obvious to me that Pres. Trump is not considering Europe much at all. They are a sad afterthought. Having Rubio as Sec. of State for the new Monroe Doctrine makes sense.
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 09:34 PM (ytIDq)
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I LOVED the P226 and immediately wondered why I don't have one!
Posted by: screaming in digital at February 02, 2025 09:05 PM
I've wondered that, too.
Posted by: screaming in digital at February 02, 2025 09:05 PM
I've wondered that, too.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 09:34 PM (a3Q+t)
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295 Something I seldom notice when discussing 357s for personal protection is the noise factor. That round is painful to hear even at the range unless your ear protection is good enough, more so from a snubby. Firing one in enclosed space without any ear protection would be so painful it might stop any needed follow-on shots. And you can say goodbye to your hearing for a while. A 38 special isn't quiet but not as damaging and physically disruptive as a 357. That's why any revolvers I have for home defence have 38s.
Posted by: JTB at February 02, 2025 09:31 PM (yTvNw)
And here I thought it was just me regarding the .357 Magnum as loud and violent.
Speaking of 357, y'all ...
Posted by: JTB at February 02, 2025 09:31 PM (yTvNw)
And here I thought it was just me regarding the .357 Magnum as loud and violent.
Speaking of 357, y'all ...
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:35 PM (v23vE)
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300 300!
Posted by: TRex at February 02, 2025 09:34 PM (IQ6Gq)
Your zero-fu is unchallenged, sir!
Posted by: TRex at February 02, 2025 09:34 PM (IQ6Gq)
Your zero-fu is unchallenged, sir!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:35 PM (v23vE)
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Thank you, Weasel, for the gun thread.
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 09:36 PM (ytIDq)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 09:36 PM (a3Q+t)
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I LOVED the P226 and immediately wondered why I don't have one!
Posted by: screaming in digital at February 02, 2025 09:05 PM
I've wondered that, too.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 09:34 PM (a3Q+t)
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I think we'd all like to know why SiD doesn't have a P226.
Posted by: screaming in digital at February 02, 2025 09:05 PM
I've wondered that, too.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 09:34 PM (a3Q+t)
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I think we'd all like to know why SiD doesn't have a P226.
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2025 09:37 PM (iu4Pw)
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Speaking of 357, y'all ...
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:35 PM (v23vE)
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I'm doing my part!
(I'd make a reference to squishing bugs but it's damn cold here right now and bugs are hard to find.)
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:35 PM (v23vE)
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I'm doing my part!
(I'd make a reference to squishing bugs but it's damn cold here right now and bugs are hard to find.)
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 09:37 PM (ZOv7s)
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I like my Beretta PX4 full size 9mm. I found that the rotary barrel does do a good job controlling muzzle flip. It handles the CorBon 124g +P loads quite well.
Has anyone tried shooting the Ruger LC 10mm carbine?
Has anyone tried shooting the Ruger LC 10mm carbine?
Posted by: mrp at February 02, 2025 09:38 PM (rj6Yv)
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306 FT is at 359. Y'all want a happy Weasel on tomorrow morning's Art Thread?
Well, do you?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 09:36 PM (a3Q+t)
Those who posted on the Food Thread after the appearance of the Gub Thread should be ashamed of themselves -- or banned, whichever comes first.
Well, do you?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 09:36 PM (a3Q+t)
Those who posted on the Food Thread after the appearance of the Gub Thread should be ashamed of themselves -- or banned, whichever comes first.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:38 PM (v23vE)
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Hasan's on Death Row, isn't he? What are his options? hanging, firing squad, the chair, the needle?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
Old age
Hasan's on Death Row, isn't he? What are his options? hanging, firing squad, the chair, the needle?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
Old age
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 02, 2025 09:38 PM (63Dwl)
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Not sure why but I have been wanting a Ruger Bearcat. Looks like the perfect kit gun. Will fit my midget hands !
Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at February 02, 2025 09:39 PM (WF/xn)
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I think we'd all like to know why SiD doesn't have a P226.
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2025 09:37 PM (iu4Pw)
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Correction: We'd like to know why SiD *STILL* doesn't have a P226.
This is not hard to rectify.
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2025 09:37 PM (iu4Pw)
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Correction: We'd like to know why SiD *STILL* doesn't have a P226.
This is not hard to rectify.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 09:39 PM (ZOv7s)
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298 Something I seldom notice when discussing 357s for personal protection is the noise factor.
Posted by: JTB
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FWIW, here is a chart for db produced by pistols.
.25 ACP .................................. 155.0 dB
.32 LONG ............................... 152.4 dB
.32 ACP.................................... 153.5 dB
.380 ........................................ 157.7 dB
9 mm ...................................... 159.8 dB
.38 S & W ............................... 153.5 dB
.38 Spl .................................... 156.3 dB
.357 Magnum ......................... 164.3 dB
.41 Magnum ........................... 163. 2 dB
.44 Spl .................................... 155.9 dB
.45 ACP .................................. 157.0 dB
.45 COLT .................................154.7 dB
Posted by: JTB
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FWIW, here is a chart for db produced by pistols.
.25 ACP .................................. 155.0 dB
.32 LONG ............................... 152.4 dB
.32 ACP.................................... 153.5 dB
.380 ........................................ 157.7 dB
9 mm ...................................... 159.8 dB
.38 S & W ............................... 153.5 dB
.38 Spl .................................... 156.3 dB
.357 Magnum ......................... 164.3 dB
.41 Magnum ........................... 163. 2 dB
.44 Spl .................................... 155.9 dB
.45 ACP .................................. 157.0 dB
.45 COLT .................................154.7 dB
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:39 PM (ctrM5)
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Something I seldom notice when discussing 357s for personal protection is the noise factor. That round is painful to hear even at the range unless your ear protection is good enough, more so from a snubby. Firing one in enclosed space without any ear protection would be so painful it might stop any needed follow-on shots. And you can say goodbye to your hearing for a while. A 38 special isn't quiet but not as damaging and physically disruptive as a 357. That's why any revolvers I have for home defence have 38s.
Posted by: JTB at February 02, 2025 09:31 PM
Muzzle flash is a factor, as well. There are some loads with special powders to ameliorate that. It's worth trying out your SD load(s) at a range that will lower or turn off the lights for you. It can prove quite enlightening.
Posted by: JTB at February 02, 2025 09:31 PM
Muzzle flash is a factor, as well. There are some loads with special powders to ameliorate that. It's worth trying out your SD load(s) at a range that will lower or turn off the lights for you. It can prove quite enlightening.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 09:39 PM (a3Q+t)
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Penguins can't use pistols. Not even if they team up on it.
Posted by: Penguin Facts at February 02, 2025 09:39 PM (vFG9F)
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G'nite, Weasel. Thanks muchly.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 02, 2025 09:40 PM (mH6SG)
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Totally true. For a long time, it was difficult for female specific holsters that were also comfortable to carry.
Mas Ayoob terms it weasel craft and any good ole snubbie is pretty good at that such as jacket pocket carry and so on.
Even ankle holsters which are useful for driving long distances.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:34 PM (ctrM5)
Something something about the best gun being the one you are carrying at the moment at you need it ...
Mas Ayoob terms it weasel craft and any good ole snubbie is pretty good at that such as jacket pocket carry and so on.
Even ankle holsters which are useful for driving long distances.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:34 PM (ctrM5)
Something something about the best gun being the one you are carrying at the moment at you need it ...
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:40 PM (v23vE)
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Is it wrong that I enjoy Penguin Facts?
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 09:41 PM (ytIDq)
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309 I like my Beretta PX4 full size 9mm. I found that the rotary barrel does do a good job controlling muzzle flip. It handles the CorBon 124g +P loads quite well.
Has anyone tried shooting the Ruger LC 10mm carbine?
Posted by: mrp
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I used to carry a PX4 compact albeit not firing +p loads in it. Still have it but I did change it over to decocking only. Want a service model PX4 in 40 S&W sometime but probably not in the near future.
Has anyone tried shooting the Ruger LC 10mm carbine?
Posted by: mrp
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I used to carry a PX4 compact albeit not firing +p loads in it. Still have it but I did change it over to decocking only. Want a service model PX4 in 40 S&W sometime but probably not in the near future.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:41 PM (ctrM5)
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President is flat out balls to the walls making moves to kick the Chicoms and Europeans out of North America. My only surprise is how quickly he is making progress with this initiative. This man is giving me straight up American thrills up my legs.
As for Marco...the dude is stepping up. Bigly. When was the last time we have had an executive branch popping with such perfect concordance? Trump 2.0 is shaping up to be the greatest Presidency since our American Moses, Abe Lincoln.
As for Marco...the dude is stepping up. Bigly. When was the last time we have had an executive branch popping with such perfect concordance? Trump 2.0 is shaping up to be the greatest Presidency since our American Moses, Abe Lincoln.
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at February 02, 2025 09:41 PM (aeC4O)
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They use pen knives
Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at February 02, 2025 09:42 PM (WF/xn)
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Penguins can't use pistols. Not even if they team up on it.
Posted by: Penguin Facts at February 02, 2025 09:39 PM
Their projectiles do carry a tremendous ME, though.
ME = Mephitic Energy
Posted by: Penguin Facts at February 02, 2025 09:39 PM
Their projectiles do carry a tremendous ME, though.
ME = Mephitic Energy
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 09:42 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 02, 2025 09:43 PM (mH6SG)
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Hasan's on Death Row, isn't he? What are his options? hanging, firing squad, the chair, the needle?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
Old age
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 02, 2025 09:38 PM (63Dwl)
Thought maybe Nidal Hasan's death sentence had been commuted by that guy who just pardoned ... pretty much everybody, but Grok sayeth it just ain't so:
No, Nidal Hasan's death sentence was not commuted. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces upheld his death sentence for the 2009 Fort Hood shooting. Despite speculations and discussions about commutation, there is no evidence that his sentence has been altered. The process for military executions involves multiple levels of appeal, and as of the latest information available, Hasan's sentence remains in place, though the execution itself would still require further approvals, including from the President.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
Old age
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 02, 2025 09:38 PM (63Dwl)
Thought maybe Nidal Hasan's death sentence had been commuted by that guy who just pardoned ... pretty much everybody, but Grok sayeth it just ain't so:
No, Nidal Hasan's death sentence was not commuted. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces upheld his death sentence for the 2009 Fort Hood shooting. Despite speculations and discussions about commutation, there is no evidence that his sentence has been altered. The process for military executions involves multiple levels of appeal, and as of the latest information available, Hasan's sentence remains in place, though the execution itself would still require further approvals, including from the President.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:43 PM (v23vE)
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Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:39 PM (ctrM5)
Whig, are you trying to make the case for the H&K Mark 23 w/ a KAC or B&T can as a home defense weapon?
Whig, are you trying to make the case for the H&K Mark 23 w/ a KAC or B&T can as a home defense weapon?
Posted by: Ed L at February 02, 2025 09:43 PM (AiJK3)
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Weasel, if you're still here: Have you heard from Jim (Sunk New Dawn) recently? I sent him a couple of emails but haven't heard back.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 02, 2025 09:43 PM (ULXRJ)
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Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at February 02, 2025 09:41 PM (aeC4O)
It is sending a thrill up my leg. Home Depot and Walmart in my part of TX is kind of...deserted.
It is sending a thrill up my leg. Home Depot and Walmart in my part of TX is kind of...deserted.
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 09:44 PM (ytIDq)
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Is it wrong that I enjoy Penguin Facts?
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 09:41 PM
No.
In fact, we here at AoSHQ are blessed to have Penguin Facts, who is valiant in the struggle against Big Penguin, indeed.
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 09:41 PM
No.
In fact, we here at AoSHQ are blessed to have Penguin Facts, who is valiant in the struggle against Big Penguin, indeed.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 09:44 PM (a3Q+t)
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I like my Beretta PX4 full size 9mm. I found that the rotary barrel does do a good job controlling muzzle flip. It handles the CorBon 124g +P loads quite well.
Has anyone tried shooting the Ruger LC 10mm carbine?
Posted by: mrp at February 02, 2025 09:38 PM (rj6Yv)
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You should track down the CX4 carbine, beloved by Morons of taste and quality.
Has anyone tried shooting the Ruger LC 10mm carbine?
Posted by: mrp at February 02, 2025 09:38 PM (rj6Yv)
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You should track down the CX4 carbine, beloved by Morons of taste and quality.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 09:44 PM (ZOv7s)
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Muzzle flash is a factor, as well. There are some loads with special powders to ameliorate that. It's worth trying out your SD load(s) at a range that will lower or turn off the lights for you. It can prove quite enlightening.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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True dat. FWIW, Silhouette (now Hodgdon's formerly Western Powders) is one reloading powder with flash suppressant in it.
MY fil one reloaded some hot Unique loads in 38 Special for me (aka Skeeter Skelton load) and the orange fire blast was quite amusing in an indoor range. Not something you want to shoot for self defense indoors though and keep your night sight.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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True dat. FWIW, Silhouette (now Hodgdon's formerly Western Powders) is one reloading powder with flash suppressant in it.
MY fil one reloaded some hot Unique loads in 38 Special for me (aka Skeeter Skelton load) and the orange fire blast was quite amusing in an indoor range. Not something you want to shoot for self defense indoors though and keep your night sight.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:44 PM (ctrM5)
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Weasel, if you're still here: Have you heard from Jim (Sunk New Dawn) recently? I sent him a couple of emails but haven't heard back.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 02, 2025 09:43 PM (ULXRJ)
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Yes, I'd say within the last week.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 02, 2025 09:43 PM (ULXRJ)
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Yes, I'd say within the last week.
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2025 09:45 PM (iu4Pw)
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I started with a hand press, lee dies, and their included powder scoop. Did use their old hand primer for priming the brass. And used W231 powder. That reloading setup fit in a small box scarcely larger than a shoebox and costs even now about $100 bucks plus the powder, box of bullets, and primers--about another 60-75 bucks nowadays.
Did it so I could have dead soft swaged lead158 gr semi wadcutter hollow points. Still saved money on reloading 38 Special after I loaded 100 rounds of those bullets.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:15 PM (ctrM5)
Does Lee still make the old "nutcracker" type loading tool? I've never used one, but it seems like it would make for a compact reloading setup, although slow.
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I started with a hand press, lee dies, and their included powder scoop. Did use their old hand primer for priming the brass. And used W231 powder. That reloading setup fit in a small box scarcely larger than a shoebox and costs even now about $100 bucks plus the powder, box of bullets, and primers--about another 60-75 bucks nowadays.
Did it so I could have dead soft swaged lead158 gr semi wadcutter hollow points. Still saved money on reloading 38 Special after I loaded 100 rounds of those bullets.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:15 PM (ctrM5)
Does Lee still make the old "nutcracker" type loading tool? I've never used one, but it seems like it would make for a compact reloading setup, although slow.
Posted by: BillyD at February 02, 2025 09:46 PM (Yt3ED)
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I used to carry a PX4 compact albeit not firing +p loads in it. Still have it but I did change it over to decocking only. Want a service model PX4 in 40 S&W sometime but probably not in the near future.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:41 PM (ctrM5)
I have the G (decocker only) PX4 full size. After owning a Beretta 92FS for years, I like the decocker-only. I asked Langdon Tactical to install the Amerigo night sights and the Gray flat trigger. The flat trigger is amazing. If I go CCW, it seems the full size could be an acceptable carry piece with the right holster. I bought a Tier 1 OWB Kydex holster and that makes a sweet combo.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:41 PM (ctrM5)
I have the G (decocker only) PX4 full size. After owning a Beretta 92FS for years, I like the decocker-only. I asked Langdon Tactical to install the Amerigo night sights and the Gray flat trigger. The flat trigger is amazing. If I go CCW, it seems the full size could be an acceptable carry piece with the right holster. I bought a Tier 1 OWB Kydex holster and that makes a sweet combo.
Posted by: mrp at February 02, 2025 09:46 PM (rj6Yv)
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Weasel, if you're still here: Have you heard from Jim (Sunk New Dawn) recently? I sent him a couple of emails but haven't heard back.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 02, 2025 09:43 PM (ULXRJ)
He was on the ONT last night.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 02, 2025 09:43 PM (ULXRJ)
He was on the ONT last night.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 02, 2025 09:47 PM (8zz6B)
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Does Lee still make the old "nutcracker" type loading tool? I've never used one, but it seems like it would make for a compact reloading setup, although slow.
Posted by: BillyD at February 02, 2025 09:46 PM
Dunno about Lee, but I think Lyman still does. They can be useful to cobble up a few experimental rounds at the range.
Posted by: BillyD at February 02, 2025 09:46 PM
Dunno about Lee, but I think Lyman still does. They can be useful to cobble up a few experimental rounds at the range.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 09:47 PM (a3Q+t)
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"Hasan's sentence remains in place, though the execution itself would still require further approvals, including from the President.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless"
If PDT could fast track that I could overlook maybe something he does in the future that I might not quite agree with.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless"
If PDT could fast track that I could overlook maybe something he does in the future that I might not quite agree with.
Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 09:47 PM (vFG9F)
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327 Weasel, if you're still here: Have you heard from Jim (Sunk New Dawn) recently? I sent him a couple of emails but haven't heard back.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 02, 2025 09:43 PM (ULXRJ)
I'd be embarrassed to post this if Jim SND were here tonight, but since he apparently isn't... Damn, it's incredibly unfair that he's been diagnosed with ALS and is limited in his time on earth, because he's such a good dude.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 02, 2025 09:43 PM (ULXRJ)
I'd be embarrassed to post this if Jim SND were here tonight, but since he apparently isn't... Damn, it's incredibly unfair that he's been diagnosed with ALS and is limited in his time on earth, because he's such a good dude.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:47 PM (v23vE)
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SiD doesn't have a P226 because SiD can't afford a P226 at the moment. SiD also cannot currently go to the range often enough to justify a new purchase. If these things change, it has just gone to the top of my wish list.
Posted by: screaming in digital at February 02, 2025 09:48 PM (6jgSB)
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If PDT could fast track that I could overlook maybe something he does in the future that I might not quite agree with.
Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 09:47 PM (vFG9F)
Yes. If anyone deserves the night-night needle, it's Hasan.
Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 09:47 PM (vFG9F)
Yes. If anyone deserves the night-night needle, it's Hasan.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:48 PM (v23vE)
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 02, 2025 09:49 PM (ULXRJ)
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Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:47 PM (v23vE)
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Yep. A very good dude and incredibly generous.
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Yep. A very good dude and incredibly generous.
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2025 09:49 PM (iu4Pw)
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SiD doesn't have a P226 because SiD can't afford a P226 at the moment. SiD also cannot currently go to the range often enough to justify a new purchase. If these things change, it has just gone to the top of my wish list.
Posted by: screaming in digital at February 02, 2025 09:48 PM
Are you still wasting money on things like food?
Posted by: screaming in digital at February 02, 2025 09:48 PM
Are you still wasting money on things like food?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 09:49 PM (a3Q+t)
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Only
Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 09:50 PM (vFG9F)
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Whig, are you trying to make the case for the H&K Mark 23 w/ a KAC or B&T can as a home defense weapon?
Posted by: Ed L
Long guns (excluding SBRs), given the barrel length (and no porting or muzzle brakes) actually produce very similar dbs to handguns by the time the sound reaches the ears of the shooter.
E.g.
.223, 55 gr. commercial load 18.5 barrel-155.5 dB
.243 in 22” barrel-155.9 dB
.30-30 in 20” barrel -156.0 dB
7mm Magnum in 20” barrel -157.5 dB
.308 in 24” barrel - 156.2 dB
.30-06 in 24” barrel - 158.5 dB
.30-06 in 18 1/2 barrel - 163.2 dB
Posted by: Ed L
Long guns (excluding SBRs), given the barrel length (and no porting or muzzle brakes) actually produce very similar dbs to handguns by the time the sound reaches the ears of the shooter.
E.g.
.223, 55 gr. commercial load 18.5 barrel-155.5 dB
.243 in 22” barrel-155.9 dB
.30-30 in 20” barrel -156.0 dB
7mm Magnum in 20” barrel -157.5 dB
.308 in 24” barrel - 156.2 dB
.30-06 in 24” barrel - 158.5 dB
.30-06 in 18 1/2 barrel - 163.2 dB
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:50 PM (ctrM5)
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Ten
Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 09:50 PM (vFG9F)
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SiD doesn't have a P226 because SiD can't afford a P226 at the moment. SiD also cannot currently go to the range often enough to justify a new purchase. If these things change, it has just gone to the top of my wish list.
Posted by: screaming in digital at February 02, 2025 09:48 PM (6jgSB)
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Happily, gun prices will likely continue to trend downwards, and this will stretch your buying dollar. I've been following lots of auctions/sales since December, and few are selling.
There's going to be a severe market correction. Ammo is already showing it.
Posted by: screaming in digital at February 02, 2025 09:48 PM (6jgSB)
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Happily, gun prices will likely continue to trend downwards, and this will stretch your buying dollar. I've been following lots of auctions/sales since December, and few are selling.
There's going to be a severe market correction. Ammo is already showing it.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 09:50 PM (ZOv7s)
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Some time ago I saw the US Secret Service - back when they were still good at what they did - and they carried the Sig P226.
Wanted one for a long time and did finally pick one up, 1994 manufacture with West German rollmark.
And then more recently sra blaster got me a Legion RXP P226 and it is sweet - but the old West German is just about as good - the trigger being the biggest difference.
I am a fan.
Wanted one for a long time and did finally pick one up, 1994 manufacture with West German rollmark.
And then more recently sra blaster got me a Legion RXP P226 and it is sweet - but the old West German is just about as good - the trigger being the biggest difference.
I am a fan.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at February 02, 2025 09:50 PM (QfvaV)
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Minutes
Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 09:50 PM (vFG9F)
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SiD, check out the P229 while your dieting.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 09:50 PM (a3Q+t)
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Left
Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 09:50 PM (vFG9F)
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Yes. If anyone deserves the night-night needle, it's Hasan.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:48 PM (v23vE)
"Rent asunder" by cannon fire would be picturesque, too.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:48 PM (v23vE)
"Rent asunder" by cannon fire would be picturesque, too.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 02, 2025 09:51 PM (8zz6B)
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What was the number again?
Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 09:51 PM (vFG9F)
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Yes. If anyone deserves the night-night needle, it's Hasan.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:48 PM (v23vE)
What he deserves is the hogs.
Yes. If anyone deserves the night-night needle, it's Hasan.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:48 PM (v23vE)
What he deserves is the hogs.
Posted by: Eromero at February 02, 2025 09:51 PM (LHPAg)
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your = you're
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 09:51 PM (a3Q+t)
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Yes. If anyone deserves the night-night needle, it's Hasan.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:48 PM (v23vE)
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Trump being able to announce his entry into the hereafter would be lit.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:48 PM (v23vE)
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Trump being able to announce his entry into the hereafter would be lit.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 09:51 PM (ZOv7s)
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321 President is flat out balls to the walls making moves to kick the Chicoms and Europeans out of North America. My only surprise is how quickly he is making progress with this initiative. This man is giving me straight up American thrills up my legs.
As for Marco...the dude is stepping up. Bigly. When was the last time we have had an executive branch popping with such perfect concordance? Trump 2.0 is shaping up to be the greatest Presidency since our American Moses, Abe Lincoln.
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at February 02, 2025 09:41 PM (aeC4O)
I especially love how Marco can travel to Panama and converse with the head honchos therein en español with no translators needed in the room. Baller move.
As for Marco...the dude is stepping up. Bigly. When was the last time we have had an executive branch popping with such perfect concordance? Trump 2.0 is shaping up to be the greatest Presidency since our American Moses, Abe Lincoln.
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at February 02, 2025 09:41 PM (aeC4O)
I especially love how Marco can travel to Panama and converse with the head honchos therein en español with no translators needed in the room. Baller move.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:52 PM (v23vE)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 09:52 PM (a3Q+t)
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Posted by: screaming in digital at February 02, 2025 09:48 PM (6jgSB)
SiD, you might want to consider the M11A1/P229 as well. This is the compact version of the P226. I don't know if PSA gets LEO surplus firearms, but P226s have popped up occasionally on the AIM Surplus webpage for LEO trade ins. I picked up a used M11A1 today at the Chantilly gun show for $899; about $250 less than the NIB price.
SiD, you might want to consider the M11A1/P229 as well. This is the compact version of the P226. I don't know if PSA gets LEO surplus firearms, but P226s have popped up occasionally on the AIM Surplus webpage for LEO trade ins. I picked up a used M11A1 today at the Chantilly gun show for $899; about $250 less than the NIB price.
Posted by: Ed L at February 02, 2025 09:52 PM (AiJK3)
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Are you still wasting money on things like food?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 09:49 PM (a3Q+t)
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SiD - you have to think creatively. Buy the Sig using a credit card, then use it to rob a bank. Use the bank job proceeds to pay the credit card bill.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 09:49 PM (a3Q+t)
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SiD - you have to think creatively. Buy the Sig using a credit card, then use it to rob a bank. Use the bank job proceeds to pay the credit card bill.
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2025 09:52 PM (iu4Pw)
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Also, calling back to the Food Thread, I tried lamb once, but couldn't eat it again without feeling ...
... sheepish.
... sheepish.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:53 PM (v23vE)
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I especially love how Marco can travel to Panama and converse with the head honchos therein en español with no translators needed in the room. Baller move.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:52 PM (v23vE)
Si. He's the man.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:52 PM (v23vE)
Si. He's the man.
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 09:53 PM (ytIDq)
Posted by: The Hogs at February 02, 2025 09:53 PM (a3Q+t)
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"Rent asunder" by cannon fire would be picturesque, too.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 02, 2025 09:51 PM (8zz6B)
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Probably a lot of volunteers to serve on the firing squad.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 02, 2025 09:51 PM (8zz6B)
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Probably a lot of volunteers to serve on the firing squad.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 09:53 PM (ZOv7s)
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Yeah baby! Weekends at AoSHQ!
Between pet thread, first world problems, and gun thread, I rode my stationary bike while drooling over the food thread😳...
Can't beat any of this....
We just need an ONT to cap it off....
Between pet thread, first world problems, and gun thread, I rode my stationary bike while drooling over the food thread😳...
Can't beat any of this....
We just need an ONT to cap it off....
Posted by: COMountainMarie at February 02, 2025 09:53 PM (g608x)
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336 Does Lee still make the old "nutcracker" type loading tool? I've never used one, but it seems like it would make for a compact reloading setup, although slow.
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Lee still does along with a few of their Lee Loaders which are even more compact (never used one though). In fact, you can get their hand press suitable with their quick change die system. Batch processing and priming using a hand primer, I could get about 75-100 rounds per hour or so depending on bullet profile and having the seating die preset for that particular profile.
Posted by: BillyD
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Lee still does along with a few of their Lee Loaders which are even more compact (never used one though). In fact, you can get their hand press suitable with their quick change die system. Batch processing and priming using a hand primer, I could get about 75-100 rounds per hour or so depending on bullet profile and having the seating die preset for that particular profile.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:53 PM (ctrM5)
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359?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 02, 2025 09:53 PM (8zz6B)
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It is sending a thrill up my leg. Home Depot and Walmart in my part of TX is kind of...deserted. Posted by: Scarymary
It is pretty great. I live in Las Cruces, NM and I stand 100% behind my Hispanic Americans and legal immigrants. Nobody is going to f' with them no matter how big a fit the NM Marxist party pitches. As for the cartel and NGO stash houses here: you are fucked.
It is pretty great. I live in Las Cruces, NM and I stand 100% behind my Hispanic Americans and legal immigrants. Nobody is going to f' with them no matter how big a fit the NM Marxist party pitches. As for the cartel and NGO stash houses here: you are fucked.
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at February 02, 2025 09:53 PM (aeC4O)
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As the illegals get clamped down on, stay armed and keep your head on a swivel when outside, and be even more prepared to repel boarders at home.
Suddenly being broke and hungry will turn a man mean and desperate, so expect trouble as the Great Invasion is slowly turned around.
Suddenly being broke and hungry will turn a man mean and desperate, so expect trouble as the Great Invasion is slowly turned around.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at February 02, 2025 09:53 PM (05UY5)
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And Weasel is safe for another week.
Posted by: Arch Stanton at February 02, 2025 09:53 PM (s1Znz)
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My mom is worried her yard crew is going to be deported. I've never told her but I've been hoping for that for years. It's weird being more conservative than your parents.
Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 09:54 PM (vFG9F)
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The British government is bound and determined to make its population completely incapable of self defense.
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History provides a solution to this issue....
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History provides a solution to this issue....
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at February 02, 2025 09:54 PM (IQ6Gq)
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349 Minutes
Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 09:50 PM (vFG9F)
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This is kind of cheating, but so is my responding to you, so I guess it washes out.
Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 09:50 PM (vFG9F)
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This is kind of cheating, but so is my responding to you, so I guess it washes out.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 09:54 PM (ZOv7s)
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Are you still wasting money on things like food?
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Only for the cat and my mother.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Only for the cat and my mother.
Posted by: screaming in digital at February 02, 2025 09:54 PM (6jgSB)
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360 Are you still wasting money on things like food?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 09:49 PM (a3Q+t)
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SiD - you have to think creatively. Buy the Sig using a credit card, then use it to rob a bank. Use the bank job proceeds to pay the credit card bill.
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2025 09:52 PM (iu4Pw)
Two things:
- Weasel's post was the one that got him out of the early AM ZOOM meeting; and
- Uh, I was looking forward to seeing SiD this October. Can we kindly postpone the bank job until November or thereafter?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 09:49 PM (a3Q+t)
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SiD - you have to think creatively. Buy the Sig using a credit card, then use it to rob a bank. Use the bank job proceeds to pay the credit card bill.
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2025 09:52 PM (iu4Pw)
Two things:
- Weasel's post was the one that got him out of the early AM ZOOM meeting; and
- Uh, I was looking forward to seeing SiD this October. Can we kindly postpone the bank job until November or thereafter?
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:54 PM (v23vE)
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I have a Colt .357 revolver (3 inch barrel) and I use .38 Special ammo in it. It's loud, even with hearing protection. My ears ring anyway due to tintinitus, just rings a bit more post range visit.
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at February 02, 2025 09:55 PM (sAmhv)
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369 As the illegals get clamped down on, stay armed and keep your head on a swivel when outside, and be even more prepared to repel boarders at home.
Suddenly being broke and hungry will turn a man mean and desperate, so expect trouble as the Great Invasion is slowly turned around.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at February 02, 2025 09:53 PM (05UY5)
I rate this 100% true.
Suddenly being broke and hungry will turn a man mean and desperate, so expect trouble as the Great Invasion is slowly turned around.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at February 02, 2025 09:53 PM (05UY5)
I rate this 100% true.
Posted by: Eromero at February 02, 2025 09:56 PM (LHPAg)
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My mom is worried her yard crew is going to be deported. I've never told her but I've been hoping for that for years. It's weird being more conservative than your parents.
Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 09:54 PM (vFG9F)
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LOL, my parents consider me to be to the right of Atilla the Hun. Alex P. Keaton to their liberal nostrums. Pretty funny when you get down to it.
Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 09:54 PM (vFG9F)
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LOL, my parents consider me to be to the right of Atilla the Hun. Alex P. Keaton to their liberal nostrums. Pretty funny when you get down to it.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 09:56 PM (ZOv7s)
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Enjoy the extra sleep, Weasel. Give FSJ, Gertie, and WC2 some treats and ear rubs.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 02, 2025 09:56 PM (a3Q+t)
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It's important to surpass the goal with a pretty good margin so as to not create the impression of "doing just enough".
Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 09:57 PM (vFG9F)
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My mom is worried her yard crew is going to be deported. I've never told her but I've been hoping for that for years. It's weird being more conservative than your parents.
Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 09:54 PM (vFG9F)
Yard crews composed of formerly unemployed Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders dressed in recognition yellow mesh bikinis could probably earn serious coin.
Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 09:54 PM (vFG9F)
Yard crews composed of formerly unemployed Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders dressed in recognition yellow mesh bikinis could probably earn serious coin.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 02, 2025 09:57 PM (8zz6B)
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FWIW, CDNN Sports has used Sig P226Rs for sale at a little over $500 bucks. But the catch is that these are chambered in 40 S&W or 357 Sig.
However, I am pretty sure that particular model can convert to a 9mm by having a barrel chambered for 9mm, magazines for 9mm, and you have to change out the recoil spring. EFK has a conversion barrel for about $250 or so.
However, I am pretty sure that particular model can convert to a 9mm by having a barrel chambered for 9mm, magazines for 9mm, and you have to change out the recoil spring. EFK has a conversion barrel for about $250 or so.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:57 PM (ctrM5)
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Thank you! Thank you all!!
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2025 09:57 PM (iu4Pw)
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It is pretty great. I live in Las Cruces, NM and I stand 100% behind my Hispanic Americans and legal immigrants. Nobody is going to f' with them no matter how big a fit the NM Marxist party pitches. As for the cartel and NGO stash houses here: you are fucked.
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram
Yes. I'm south of Austin. Have no issues with legal immigrants. It's the illegals, and the cartel. The trash around here, and the violence. It is sad.
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram
Yes. I'm south of Austin. Have no issues with legal immigrants. It's the illegals, and the cartel. The trash around here, and the violence. It is sad.
Posted by: Scarymary at February 02, 2025 09:58 PM (ytIDq)
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Two things:
- Weasel's post was the one that got him out of the early AM ZOOM meeting; and
- Uh, I was looking forward to seeing SiD this October. Can we kindly postpone the bank job until November or thereafter?
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:54 PM (v23vE)
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Big credit for this goes to my grandkids, who actually went to bed close to on time tonight. Without that, I'd have been AWOL.
- Weasel's post was the one that got him out of the early AM ZOOM meeting; and
- Uh, I was looking forward to seeing SiD this October. Can we kindly postpone the bank job until November or thereafter?
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:54 PM (v23vE)
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Big credit for this goes to my grandkids, who actually went to bed close to on time tonight. Without that, I'd have been AWOL.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 09:58 PM (ZOv7s)
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Good night folks.
Posted by: whig at February 02, 2025 09:58 PM (ctrM5)
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383 Thank you! Thank you all!!
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2025 09:57 PM (iu4Pw)
We aspire to but follow your example, O Servant Leader of the Gub Thread.
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2025 09:57 PM (iu4Pw)
We aspire to but follow your example, O Servant Leader of the Gub Thread.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:58 PM (v23vE)
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Thank you, Weasel!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 02, 2025 09:58 PM (8zz6B)
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Shout out: thanks to the day in and day out great COB writing and active commentary that goes on here around the clock.
Posted by: Alteria Pilgram - My President has convictions. at February 02, 2025 09:59 PM (aeC4O)
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352 Yes. If anyone deserves the night-night needle, it's Hasan.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:48 PM (v23vE)
"Rent asunder" by cannon fire would be picturesque, too.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 02, 2025 09:51 PM (8zz6B)
As would "eaten alive by feral hogs".
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 09:48 PM (v23vE)
"Rent asunder" by cannon fire would be picturesque, too.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 02, 2025 09:51 PM (8zz6B)
As would "eaten alive by feral hogs".
Posted by: BillyD at February 02, 2025 09:59 PM (Yt3ED)
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Good night, folks!
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 09:59 PM (ZOv7s)
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It's important to surpass the goal with a pretty good margin so as to not create the impression of "doing just enough".
Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 09:57 PM
Word.
Posted by: fd at February 02, 2025 09:57 PM
Word.
Posted by: Jos. Robinette Biden (D-DE) at February 02, 2025 10:00 PM (a3Q+t)
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Big credit for this goes to my grandkids, who actually went to bed close to on time tonight. Without that, I'd have been AWOL.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 09:58 PM (ZOv7s)
The kids know what has to be done, on a level that adults will never be able to remember nor fully comprehend.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 09:58 PM (ZOv7s)
The kids know what has to be done, on a level that adults will never be able to remember nor fully comprehend.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 10:00 PM (v23vE)
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Time to set up the coffee pot. Enjoyed the B17 class, Weasel!
Posted by: Eromero at February 02, 2025 10:00 PM (LHPAg)
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333 ... "Does Lee still make the old "nutcracker" type loading tool? I've never used one, but it seems like it would make for a compact reloading setup, although slow."
Yep! Lee still makes it and you are right, it makes for a compact reloading set up. I've used one for many years. It is especially handy for batch processing cases like depriming while in a comfortable chair. The package with the kit is about as economical a way to start reloading as there is.
Yep! Lee still makes it and you are right, it makes for a compact reloading set up. I've used one for many years. It is especially handy for batch processing cases like depriming while in a comfortable chair. The package with the kit is about as economical a way to start reloading as there is.
Posted by: JTB at February 02, 2025 10:00 PM (yTvNw)
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ONT IS NOOD
Posted by: Skip at February 02, 2025 10:00 PM (fwDg9)
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As would "eaten alive by feral hogs".
Posted by: BillyD at February 02, 2025 09:59 PM (Yt3ED)
Yep.
Posted by: BillyD at February 02, 2025 09:59 PM (Yt3ED)
Yep.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 02, 2025 10:00 PM (8zz6B)
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I have a Colt .357 revolver (3 inch barrel) and I use .38 Special ammo in it. It's loud, even with hearing protection. My ears ring anyway due to tintinitus, just rings a bit more post range visit.
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at February 02, 2025 09:55 PM (sAmhv)
I always use both earplugs and earmuffs on an indoor range. It's too loud w/ just one layer of protection. I have mild tinnitus from my deployments to ODS, OIF, and OEF (land of the 24-hour generator). I don't need to make it any worse.
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at February 02, 2025 09:55 PM (sAmhv)
I always use both earplugs and earmuffs on an indoor range. It's too loud w/ just one layer of protection. I have mild tinnitus from my deployments to ODS, OIF, and OEF (land of the 24-hour generator). I don't need to make it any worse.
Posted by: Ed L at February 02, 2025 10:01 PM (AiJK3)
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You should track down the CX4 carbine, beloved by Morons of taste and quality.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 09:44 PM (ZOv7s)
I took a quick look at a Hickcock45 review of the CX4. Sweet! Especially for a left-hander like me. Only wish it came in 10mm.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at February 02, 2025 09:44 PM (ZOv7s)
I took a quick look at a Hickcock45 review of the CX4. Sweet! Especially for a left-hander like me. Only wish it came in 10mm.
Posted by: mrp at February 02, 2025 10:02 PM (rj6Yv)
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400
Posted by: Eromero at February 02, 2025 10:02 PM (LHPAg)
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Along with the Lee nutcracker style hand press, they still offer the Lee Classic Loader, which I call the Whack-a-mole style. It is slower than the nutcracker version but is the size of a big pack of cards. A few caveats: it can only neck size bottleneck cases and it's worth using case lube even with the carbide sizing die.
I have one for just about every caliber I own, even the long discontinued 22 Hornet, 222 Remington, and 12 and 20 gauge. Hint: You have to supply the hammer.
I have one for just about every caliber I own, even the long discontinued 22 Hornet, 222 Remington, and 12 and 20 gauge. Hint: You have to supply the hammer.
Posted by: JTB at February 02, 2025 10:07 PM (yTvNw)
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Good for you Mr E....#1 and #400!
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at February 02, 2025 10:09 PM (IQ6Gq)
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400 400
Posted by: Eromero at February 02, 2025 10:02 PM (LHPAg)
Somewhat poetic that Eromero gets the FIRST!!! and the 400th post.
Posted by: Eromero at February 02, 2025 10:02 PM (LHPAg)
Somewhat poetic that Eromero gets the FIRST!!! and the 400th post.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 10:09 PM (v23vE)
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402 Good for you Mr E....#1 and #400!
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at February 02, 2025 10:09 PM (IQ6Gq)
Great minds think alike in the Horde, ma'am. G'night!
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at February 02, 2025 10:09 PM (IQ6Gq)
Great minds think alike in the Horde, ma'am.
G'night!Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at February 02, 2025 10:10 PM (v23vE)
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I have two guns that I rarely shoot: A very late manufacture Springfield Armory M1 Garand from CMP that probably was never issued, instead I shoot two other Garands, one has a 7.62 x 51 barrel, and a 1926 Hartford Arms .22 pistol that my dad bought in 1946. Thanks for hosting the gun thread Weasel!
Posted by: Bond in Michigan at February 02, 2025 10:26 PM (JLgPI)
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