Daily Tech News 30 January 2025

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Nvidia's RTX 5080 is here and while it is tempting to blame it for the company's $600 billion share price free fall that was probably just a jumpy and irrational stock market and not directly related to the profound ordinariness of this card. (Tom's Hardware)

It's slightly faster than last year's 4080 Super, which was slightly faster than the previous year's 4080.

It does best at 4K resolutions, where it's 9% faster, probably thanks to the much faster GDDR7 memory. At lower resolutions where memory bandwidth doesn't matter so much, performance gains average just 3%.

And with average gains that low, yes, it is sometimes slower than the previous model. I'm not sure how, because by all the numbers it should be at least a little better.

All the benchmarks seem to pit it against AMD's 7900 XTX, which comes out looking pretty good aside from ray tracing, since it is cheaper, includes 24GB of RAM compared to the 5080's 16GB, and is just as fast for anything except ray tracing.

This review bizarrely suggests skipping the 5080 for the 5090, which delivers 50% better performance for twice the price. Yes, if a $1000 video card isn't fast enough to justify the price, you should spend twice as much for something that is even worse value.

We're going to see a repeat of this next month when the cheaper models - the 5070 Ti and 5070 - arrive. In March we might see something interesting as AMD's new cards launch.

But probably not.

Tech News

So Chinese AI platform DeepSeek reportedly ripped off OpenAI, but OpenAI ripped off everyone on the internet, so nobody cared.

And it reportedly was collecting massive amounts of data from its users, but so is everyone on the internet, so nobody cared.

But it was also leaking that data everywhere through misconfigured logging servers that were open to everyone on the internet. (Wiz)

I don't think that part was intentional.
Mark Zuckerberg says Meta is going to spend tens of billions of dollars on AI this year regardless of the DeepSeek nonsense. (Tech Crunch)

The company is planning to develop - and release as almost-open source - two new models in the Llama series to compete head on with the closed source ChatGPT.

(The Llama license has a provision that you can't use it for free if you're a trillion-dollar tech giant, so technically it's not open source, but most of us don't need to worry about that.)
AI-created artwork can receive copyright protection if it's not entirely AI-created. (Associated Press)

Which was already the case.
Federal government workers unions, which rely for their funding on the number of federal government workers, are against plans to reduce the number of federal government workers. (The Register)

That follows.

Musical Interlude

Disclaimer: Let me explain. No, there is too much. Let me sum up.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at 04:00 AM

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1 Hello

Posted by: Pete Bog at January 30, 2025 04:01 AM (kq/Qu)

2 I’ll get the others

Posted by: Pete Bog at January 30, 2025 04:01 AM (kq/Qu)

3 Appears everyone has gone home

Posted by: Pete Bog at January 30, 2025 04:04 AM (kq/Qu)

4 Hey Pixie, hopefully things are going well for you. It is a beautiful cold night innnorthern Wyoming. Stars everywhere

Posted by: Pete Bog at January 30, 2025 04:05 AM (kq/Qu)

5 Hope you're having a lovely summer, Pixy!

Posted by: JQ at January 30, 2025 04:07 AM (YoCnN)

6 Mornin'

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at January 30, 2025 04:07 AM (sAmhv)

7 It's 5:07 pm Beijing time.

Posted by: meh at January 30, 2025 04:07 AM (N462N)

8 Pixie it appears that the year to year progress on Nvidia chips is modest. What is a five year comparison going to show?

Posted by: Pete Bog at January 30, 2025 04:07 AM (kq/Qu)

9 Hey JQ and Puddleglum.

Sorry To hear the news about your husband JQ.

Posted by: Pete Bog at January 30, 2025 04:09 AM (kq/Qu)

10 Bathurst 12 Hours sportscar race in Australia is this weekend. Not sure how close you are to Bathurst but it looks like a fun place to watch a race.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at January 30, 2025 04:10 AM (sAmhv)

11 Appears everyone has gone home

Posted by: Pete Bog at January 30, 2025 04:04 AM (kq/Qu)

Or simply enjoying insomnia!

Ugh.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2025 04:10 AM (mWSu4)

12 Mornin' Horde.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at January 30, 2025 04:12 AM (O7YUW)

13 Good Morning CBD. What has you up at this early hour? I’m dealing with the mother of all chest colds.

Posted by: Pete Bog at January 30, 2025 04:12 AM (kq/Qu)

14 Our house has made a significant contribution to the pharma industry in the last week. Lieawatha will likely send a thank you note.

Posted by: Pete Bog at January 30, 2025 04:14 AM (kq/Qu)

15 Posted by: Pete Bog at January 30, 2025 04:12 AM (kq/Qu)

Good morning!

It is my usual insomnia. I get a solid four hours of sleep, and then poof!

It is windy and clear here, but the stars are nothing like what you have!

We do have drones, so there is something interesting to look at!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2025 04:16 AM (mWSu4)

16 Sitting upright in the chair instead of sleeping gave me a chance to see a beautiful night sky. Orion is just about to slide behind the mountains to our west.

Posted by: Pete Bog at January 30, 2025 04:16 AM (kq/Qu)

17 Our house has made a significant contribution to the pharma industry in the last week. Lieawatha will likely send a thank you note.
Posted by: Pete Bog
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You too, huh? So very sorry!

Posted by: JQ at January 30, 2025 04:18 AM (YoCnN)

18 G'morning, all!

Insomnia sux.

So does striking a helicopter midair, and crashing into the Potomac.

Lot's of fatalities, I believe.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 30, 2025 04:18 AM (a1415)

19 I can function on six for a few days but as I have attained a greater age I find that I really need at least a good seven hours of sleep. But it usually has a 90 minute reading session in between.

Posted by: Pete Bog at January 30, 2025 04:19 AM (kq/Qu)

20 Lieawatha will likely send a thank you note.
Posted by: Pete Bog at January 30, 2025 04:14 AM (kq/Qu)
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Or simply Liealotta.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at January 30, 2025 04:19 AM (bKqAu)

21 Evening and morning, all,

I got about six hours sleep last night thanks to melatonin and valerian root. Still woke up earlier than I planned. Coulda been worse: Sunday and Monday nights I got about 4-5 hours each.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 30, 2025 04:22 AM (omVj0)

22 It's great to have friends with technical skills.

But, as you slowly learn and hone those skills yourself, it's sometimes good to go back and check the work that was done.

That way you can find things like mis-wired Cat 5e modem cables and such that have your home wifi seriously degraded.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 30, 2025 04:23 AM (a1415)

23 Cheese omelet with salsa & guac...

Not hungry but needed to eat.

Posted by: JQ at January 30, 2025 04:27 AM (YoCnN)

24 @22/Village Idiot's Apprentice:

Mis-wired CAT5e networking cables? Mis-wired how exactly?

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at January 30, 2025 04:28 AM (O7YUW)

25 Omelette sounds like a winner. Comforting in a trying time. Good luck with hubby.

Such a long dreary road for you both.

Posted by: Pete Bog at January 30, 2025 04:31 AM (kq/Qu)

26 I have one CAT 5e cable in my house with precisely one bad line. (I'd have to hook up the tester again to tell you which one it was.) That took some perverted skill to pull off by the builder.

Posted by: Richard Cranium at January 30, 2025 04:37 AM (76e6b)

27 "That took some perverted skill to pull THAT off by the builder."

We used a custom home builder who wasn't up to the task (the sub they used for the data/sound wiring was better than a lot of their other subs, so I can't really bitch about them). There's an NDA involved due to arbitration, so I can't name the builder.

Posted by: Richard Cranium at January 30, 2025 04:41 AM (76e6b)

28 18 G'morning, all!

Insomnia sux.

So does striking a helicopter midair, and crashing into the Potomac.

Lot's of fatalities, I believe.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice

Yep. Not sure they've given an official account yet, but I think all involved have died. Horrible accident.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at January 30, 2025 04:42 AM (sAmhv)

29 "Mis-wired how exactly?"

Things like White, Brown/White reversed at one end of one cable.

Open connection on Blue in another.

Lose connection at one of the keystone jacks.

Multiple runs where jacket was not inserted far enough, preventing the jacket from being compressed, and over the max 1/2 inch of twisted pairs exposed outside of the jacket.

So the house has Cat-5e wired to a total of six locations, and a total of four routers, with three set up in AP mode, basically creating a poor mans mesh wifi system feeding into the main router via a powered ethernet switch.

Seems faster and more stable now.
Mostly, more stable.

I do wish that Spectrum had higher upload speeds than the offered 20 mbps, but I'm getting 600mbps download pretty consistently now.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 30, 2025 04:42 AM (a1415)

30
It's 5:07 pm Beijing time.
Posted by: meh

===============

Zat where you are right now?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 30, 2025 04:43 AM (CiXFI)

31 I do believe that the new Press Secretary is gonna give the MSM some real headaches.

As well as an occasional throat punch.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 30, 2025 04:49 AM (a1415)

32 Morning all

Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2025 04:53 AM (Q6FcG)

33 I had seven and a half hours of sleep last night, which made for a nice change. Getting outside in the warm bright sun (for January in the upper Midwest) yesterday helped a bit, I think.

So if I am reading this right, Pro-life Purity Pence is giving Miss Lindsey G. cover to sink Kennedy's nom. MLG being PP, too.

Will PPPence also gat a nice fat Big Pharma kick-back, and if so will he send his wife Karen to the spa for a retool of her resting B face?

Posted by: lizabth at January 30, 2025 05:03 AM (Jfw7U)

34 @29/Village Idiot's Apprentice: "Things like White, Brown/White reversed at one end of one cable. "

Well at least that's easily fixed by cutting the end off, and crimping a new one on with the wires in the proper configuration (ensuring which standard, either T568A or T568B was used on the other end, and following that on the end you're putting a new connector on.)

"Multiple runs where jacket was not inserted far enough, preventing the jacket from being compressed, and over the max 1/2 inch of twisted pairs exposed outside of the jacket."

Okay, THAT is just sloppy work on the part of who did it.

Your configuration with multiple APs seems quite reasonable though.

Due to the age of my house, I opted for a wireless bridge between two APs using the 5GHz radio to connect the upstairs AP to the downstairs one, then I use its 2.4GHz Radio to act as the AP for any devices upstairs, and I use OpenWRT firmware on the routers. It's powerful, but getting the configuration "just right" can be a pain.

Making things more challenging is that OpenWRT documentation is all on a wiki, and many of the pages are specific to older versions, and thus out of date. *sighs*

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at January 30, 2025 05:03 AM (O7YUW)

35 Yikes- it's being reported that members of the US Figure Skating Team community- skaters, coaches, etc.- were on the flight from Wichita. They were returning from a training event. Didn't that happen in the early 1960s?

Posted by: Moonbeam at January 30, 2025 05:04 AM (rbKZ6)

36 Oh my goodness...so sad about that crash. I take those little planes fairly often, but usually not where military helicopters about flying about. I can't imagine the horror those poor folks went through.

Posted by: lizabth at January 30, 2025 05:11 AM (Jfw7U)

37
g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at January 30, 2025 05:12 AM (tljrc)

38 "Well at least that's easily fixed by cutting the end off, and crimping a new one on with the wires in the proper configuration"

Yup, exactly what I had to do.

Now keep in mind that all this internet/wi-fi/ethernet knowledge is something that I am picking up late into my 29 years of life so far.

So the learning curve has been rather steep.
Starting with..." Why is there this bundle of blue wires coiled up on this ATT box on the side of the house".

Which was really brought about when here on this very blog we went through a cut the cable movement, and I decided to see if putting a TV antenna up in the attic.

So yes, there is a very nice digital HDTV antenna up there, and I don't pay a dime for cable television.

And Wi-fi coverage oozing out of every room in the house.

But it's been a journey of learning and discovery along the way.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 30, 2025 05:12 AM (a1415)

39 Off we go to hospital for Rev's colostomy reversal. Please God. The man is so beyond done with this.

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at January 30, 2025 05:14 AM (SfhV1)

40 Godspeed, grammie!

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 30, 2025 05:17 AM (CiXFI)

41 Found an interesting statement about the crash from Doug Rice, a retired American Airlines pilot. He says that TCAS (Traffic Collision Avoidance System) is inhibited below 700 feet, so that may have not alerted the pilots that they were in danger of crashing. (The analysis of the black box recordings should help to verify that theory.)

https://tinyurl.com/39xfy9jc

(Goes to www.nbcbayarea.com)
Headline: Retired airline pilot gives insight into what could have happened in Potomac River aviation crash

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at January 30, 2025 05:17 AM (O7YUW)

42 Prayers for Rev and you.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 30, 2025 05:18 AM (2NHgQ)

43 Will pray for Rev’s procedure and all the medical people and for you too, Grammie.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 30, 2025 05:18 AM (O58D1)

44 Prayers up, Grammy

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 30, 2025 05:18 AM (a1415)

45 Good morning all. What's new? I haven't been around much, but I'm feeling better and getting interested in life again!.

Posted by: Rosasharn at January 30, 2025 05:19 AM (PzBTm)

46 @39 Many prayers for a safe and effective reversal. What a blessing that will be.

Posted by: lizabth at January 30, 2025 05:19 AM (Jfw7U)

47 Juan Brown ( Always an excellent voice of reason on aviation matters) giving a brief update last night on the DC Mid-air collision.

https://tinyurl.com/bdcv2wy3

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 30, 2025 05:23 AM (a1415)

48 Yep. Not sure they've given an official account yet, but I think all involved have died. Horrible accident.
Posted by: Puddleglum

67. 3 service members, 4 crew, & 60 passengers.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2025 05:24 AM (0bE/L)

49 19 and clear in western CT.
Everytime I start to imagine what an air crash may be like… I stop. Too horrible.

Posted by: CTSPURSMAN at January 30, 2025 05:35 AM (Uy2Lz)

50 Time for the morning walk.

BBIAB

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 30, 2025 05:38 AM (a1415)

51 Old time Gospel song-"The old ruggedl cross" -Gaither vocal band:

https://tinyurl.com/4w5d5r8x

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 30, 2025 05:39 AM (aeDi6)

52 Please fix the ads that are crashing the site on mobile again. Y'all had this problem a while ago and mostly fixed it but two or three days a week now I can't read the site on my phone because of some stupid ad (i assume) that repeatedly causes the site to reload and eventually the web browser just gives up (safari or opera)

Posted by: Ryan at January 30, 2025 05:39 AM (3OmL6)

53 Burn Quran.

Take bullet.

In Sweden.

https://tinyurl.com/5n8hyjj6

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at January 30, 2025 05:47 AM (bKqAu)

54 G'Day everyone
Not supposed to be up yet but brain is already running

Posted by: Skip at January 30, 2025 05:51 AM (fwDg9)

55 Well, I had a nice politics free day off. Came back to little notes on computer about the terrible plane and helicopter crash as well as Democrats behaving badly at the hearing on RFK Jr. ( They certainly like to shriek, don't they?l as well as some story about the Episcopal Bishop who rudely lectured Trump having new people come to the church and giving her a standing ovation and talking selfies with her. What an embarrassment she is! My cynical self says the people won't be back. They just are happy for her to have taken a cudgel to Trump. And nope, the pastor shouldn't be having a fan club of people wanting selfies with her or giving her a standing ovation for what marred what was supposed to be a prayer service.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 30, 2025 05:54 AM (3bSp1)

56 Good morning and yes it is!!! Rain coming down in buckets and the landscape repair around the barn is working
No water in the barn.
Coffee almond croissants on me.

Posted by: Ben Had at January 30, 2025 05:57 AM (FHoaH)

57 Good morning from rainy OKC, where there is much fed angst about having to return to office work after an extensive remote work arrangement. Sounds like a lot of folks will be taking the voluntary separation offer. It will be interesting to see how the op tempo is affected.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at January 30, 2025 05:57 AM (s8+VW)

58 Scripture for caregivers:

https://tinyurl.com/3jkbvymt

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 30, 2025 05:59 AM (3bSp1)

59 w00t

Posted by: m at January 30, 2025 06:01 AM (v0TzN)

60 Disclaimer: Let me explain. No, there is too much. Let me sum up.

Math!

Posted by: m at January 30, 2025 06:02 AM (v0TzN)

61 Good morning and yes it is!!! Rain coming down in buckets and the landscape repair around the barn is working
No water in the barn.
Coffee almond croissants on me.
Posted by: Ben Had

Good deal on the landscaping. Rain coming down so hard I can't do more than 55-60 in a 75 due to hydroplaning issues.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2025 06:02 AM (0bE/L)

62 Beloved dog helps save his owners life. Sunny Skyz story:

https://tinyurl.com/46jmx8t9

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 30, 2025 06:03 AM (3bSp1)

63 @58/FenelonSpoke: Thank you for these.

JQ: If you're reading along this morning still, see Fen's link.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at January 30, 2025 06:04 AM (O7YUW)

64 rickb223, hopefully the other drivers are as careful as you.

Posted by: Ben Had at January 30, 2025 06:04 AM (FHoaH)

65 Good morning from rainy OKC, where there is much fed angst about having to return to office work after an extensive remote work arrangement. Sounds like a lot of folks will be taking the voluntary separation offer. It will be interesting to see how the op tempo is affected.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead

If they were smart, and they aren't, they would not take the voluntary separation. They're gonna find out real quick, but in the private sector, that competency matters. And I don't know where they expect to find a job in the private sector that allows him to work from home five days a week.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2025 06:05 AM (0bE/L)

66 11 Appears everyone has gone home

Posted by: Pete Bog at January 30, 2025 04:04 AM (kq/Qu)

Or simply enjoying insomnia!

Ugh.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2025 04:10 AM (mWSu4)

I have to keep reminding myself: no caffeine after 2pm. It is a sacrifice.

Posted by: m at January 30, 2025 06:06 AM (v0TzN)

67 rickb223, hopefully the other drivers are as careful as you.
Posted by: Ben Had

Right now there aren't that many. I've got two about a quarter of a mile in front of me and one about a quarter of a mile behind me. That's the only way I can be on the HQ at the same time as driving. Because no one's around me

Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2025 06:06 AM (0bE/L)

68 Posted by: m at January 30, 2025 06:06 AM (v0TzN

I understand. I had a delicious raspberry iced tea at a restaurant at about 1:00 but it messed up my sleep last night.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 30, 2025 06:07 AM (3bSp1)

69 The Nvidia beat down can be viewed best as The Street as Tyler Dryden pulverizing Jared Letos face and then remarking, I wanted to destroy something beautiful.

China releasing stolen spyware as some great advancement was not a sufficient reason to try to cave in Nvidias face.

Especially when I own a sh*t ton of their stock.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 30, 2025 06:08 AM (XV/Pl)

70 Birdbath status?

Posted by: Just Wondering at January 30, 2025 06:10 AM (dg+HA)

71 Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2025 06:05 AM (0bE/L)

They should be grateful that they're being given a chance to bail with separation pay. That doesn't happen in the private sector. I really can't sympathize with them.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at January 30, 2025 06:12 AM (s8+VW)

72 I wonder why the Army would route a training flight 20 miles away from Ft, Belvoir to the busiest runway in America? Seems a little risky.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 30, 2025 06:12 AM (Ay9m2)

73 good morning

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 30, 2025 06:16 AM (gbOdA)

74 There must be some corridor through the airspace around Dulles for use by rotorcraft. Sounds like the CRJ may have been low. DFDR and CVRs will be recovered and we'll know pretty quickly what happened.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at January 30, 2025 06:17 AM (s8+VW)

75 72 I wonder why the Army would route a training flight 20 miles away from Ft, Belvoir to the busiest runway in America? Seems a little risky.
Posted by: Huck Follywood

I don't think it was flying out of Belvoir. Probably flew out of Bolling.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at January 30, 2025 06:18 AM (sAmhv)

76 Speaking of crashing, the HQ front page and my phone are really not getting along this morning. But it seems churlish to complain when 67 souls just lost their lives so I won't.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 30, 2025 06:18 AM (Ay9m2)

77 I think the future American figure skating program has been wiped out. It's going to take a while to recover from this...

Posted by: Mister Ghost at January 30, 2025 06:18 AM (TGPs7)

78 I don't think it was flying out of Belvoir. Probably flew out of Bolling.
Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at January 30, 2025 06:18 AM (sAmhv)
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Oh. CNBC report said Belvoir, but either way the question still stands.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 30, 2025 06:20 AM (Ay9m2)

79 Morning, 'rons and 'ettes.

Posted by: olddog in mo at January 30, 2025 06:20 AM (hoCmQ)

80 56 Coffee almond croissants on me.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 30, 2025 05:57 AM (FHoaH)

I would like one, please.

Posted by: m at January 30, 2025 06:21 AM (v0TzN)

81 Headlines from Canada:

"Freeland promises to slash cabinet and PMO in half if elected Liberal leader"

Why would I believe a word that comes out of that woman's mouth? She's just doing exactly what Trudeau did: Promised a bunch of good sounding things only to do exactly whatever he wanted once he got into power, ignoring his promises.

"A Senate stuffed with Liberal bagmen is Trudeau's gift to Poilievre (PM plans to appoint 10 more senators before he leaves)"

Of course he is. From the article: " During his time in office, Trudeau has appointed 90 of the 105-seat chamber."

And the remaining 10 appointments brings it up to 100 out of 105 seats being Liberal Party appointees. That's not broken at all. Nope. Everything is fine. *deep sigh*

Okay that's enough. I have work to go do, and I can't afford any more time to the three ring circus that is Ottawa.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at January 30, 2025 06:21 AM (O7YUW)

82 If Freeland actually has a real chance to be Liberal leader, maybe they should change the party name. Call it "Stalinist Party" or something more accurate.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 30, 2025 06:27 AM (mdo7b)

83 78 I don't think it was flying out of Belvoir. Probably flew out of Bolling.
Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at January 30, 2025 06:18 AM (sAmhv)
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Oh. CNBC report said Belvoir, but either way the question still stands.
Posted by: Huck Follywood

You can see Bolling from Reagan National. It's right across the river. As for training flights, they do them all the time around here. It was 9 pm on a Wed when this happened. Air traffic gets lighter.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at January 30, 2025 06:27 AM (sAmhv)

84
I'm told Trump gutting the Federal workforce is the only reason this accident occurred.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 30, 2025 06:31 AM (dxSpM)

85 Regarding RFK's questioning yesterday:

In an ideal world, I'd like candidates to have notes on every Senator about their funding.

"DO YOU SUPPORT THE ONESIES?!"
"Senator, you took over ten million in donations from Pfizer. Is that what you are basing your question on?"

And so on.

Posted by: NR Pax at January 30, 2025 06:33 AM (svLOV)

86 With all the military flights around DC and commercial traffic too, it must be hellaciously difficult to use any one of the airports.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 30, 2025 06:36 AM (Xqdu6)

87 Looking forward to Kash Patel's confirmation hearing.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at January 30, 2025 06:37 AM (s8+VW)

88 Looking forward to Kash Patel's confirmation hearing.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at January 30, 2025 06:37 AM (s8+VW)

Oh man. That glower he's got. I'm not sure if he should keep it holstered, or let that thing blare on high beam.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 30, 2025 06:40 AM (+iIV1)

89
Coffee that is hot is coffee that is good.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 30, 2025 06:40 AM (dxSpM)

90 84 I'm told Trump gutting the Federal workforce is the only reason this accident occurred.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

Yea, I've been seeing this brilliant analysis around the interwebs. It will get worse. Ghouls, the lot of them.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at January 30, 2025 06:42 AM (sAmhv)

91 Oh man. That glower he's got. I'm not sure if he should keep it holstered, or let that thing blare on high beam.
Posted by: Warai-otoko

High beam. Let them feel fear that moment he walks in the room.

Posted by: NR Pax at January 30, 2025 06:42 AM (svLOV)

92 Coffee needs to be just slightly warm. And appropriately sweetened. With a little bit of milk or cream. And made out of camellia sinensis leaves.

Mmmmm. Coffee.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 30, 2025 06:43 AM (+iIV1)

93 I ask this out of ignorance: How has it been readily determined that the plane crashed into the helicopter--rather than the other way around? I have seen some reports still cautiously saying that the two "collided."

Posted by: m at January 30, 2025 06:45 AM (v0TzN)

94 High beam. Let them feel fear that moment he walks in the room.
Posted by: NR Pax at January 30, 2025 06:42 AM (svLOV)

I know it's almost a maxim that people don't like "combative", but really it's probably that people don't like combative and stupid. Combative and competent actually focus groups pretty good.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 30, 2025 06:45 AM (+iIV1)

95 Who are the Onesies? ("Oh ness ies") Sounds like a bad, 1950's pulp sci-fi story.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 30, 2025 06:45 AM (KAi1n)

96 91 Oh man. That glower he's got. I'm not sure if he should keep it holstered, or let that thing blare on high beam.
Posted by: Warai-otoko

High beam. Let them feel fear that moment he walks in the room.
Posted by: NR Pax at January 30, 2025 06:42 AM (svLOV)

Would be cool if he could show he can turn it off and on at will.

Posted by: m at January 30, 2025 06:45 AM (v0TzN)

97 At least the hotel has coffee available in the lobby 24/7. There's a mini fridge in the room too, so I bought a pint of real cream and it makes the stuff tolerable. But at 0330 I'm not bitching.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at January 30, 2025 06:46 AM (s8+VW)

98 BBC: Russian citizens were also on board, the Kremlin confirmed - after local media reported that ice skating coaches and former world champions Yevgenia Shishkova and Vadim Naumov were on the plane.

Posted by: m at January 30, 2025 06:47 AM (v0TzN)

99 There is a You Tube channel called Blancolirio that I think has a good summary of the plane crash. I don't post links because I am dumb and don't want to go to the barrel.

Posted by: Button-Pushing-Monkey at January 30, 2025 06:47 AM (EcHpA)

100 One of the tv hosts said that the helicopter t-boned the airplane.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 30, 2025 06:47 AM (Md44Z)

101 "I despise each and every one of you..."

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 30, 2025 06:47 AM (+iIV1)

102 Kash Patel faces a tough task, changing the FBI from a secret police force to something respectable. Even before their Trump-related crimes they had big competence issues. I remember AtC railing about how bad the FBI Lab was performing several years ago. I forget the particulars but she had example after example.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 30, 2025 06:47 AM (Xqdu6)

103 100 One of the tv hosts said that the helicopter t-boned the airplane.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 30, 2025 06:47 AM (Md44Z)

Wow.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 30, 2025 06:48 AM (+iIV1)

104 Good morning!

Let's smile & be happy & strike fear in the hearts of killjoy leftists everywhere.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 30, 2025 06:50 AM (u82oZ)

105 A black hole was suspected of causing yesterday's DC plance crash...

Posted by: Don LeMon, Freelance Investigative Journalist at January 30, 2025 06:50 AM (PiwSw)

106 @93

>> How has it been readily determined that the plane crashed into the helicopter--rather than the other way around? I have seen some reports still cautiously saying that the two "collided."

The answers will ultimately revolve around, who was controlling the airspace, who was communicating with the two aircraft, what directions and warnings were the two aircraft given, were were the flight plans for the two aircraft and on and on, this Rush to judgment is of a piece when they say events are not related to terrorism before any real investigation has begun.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 30, 2025 06:50 AM (XV/Pl)

107
gotta "rig for office"

BRB

Posted by: AltonJackson at January 30, 2025 06:50 AM (tljrc)

108 100 One of the tv hosts said that the helicopter t-boned the airplane.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 30, 2025 06:47 AM (Md44Z)

Huh. And I read a report that the helicopter crew/pilot did not respond to advice/questions from the airport tower.

Posted by: m at January 30, 2025 06:50 AM (v0TzN)

109 Was the airplane pulled over to change a flat tire when the helicopter t-boned it in mid air?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 30, 2025 06:51 AM (+iIV1)

110 106 @93

>> How has it been readily determined that the plane crashed into the helicopter--rather than the other way around? I have seen some reports still cautiously saying that the two "collided."

The answers will ultimately revolve around, who was controlling the airspace, who was communicating with the two aircraft, what directions and warnings were the two aircraft given, were were the flight plans for the two aircraft and on and on, this Rush to judgment is of a piece when they say events are not related to terrorism before any real investigation has begun.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 30, 2025 06:50 AM (XV/Pl)

Thank you!

Posted by: m at January 30, 2025 06:51 AM (v0TzN)

111 Seems like the controller could have turned the hawk parallel and opposite to the path of the CRJ or even asked him to do a circle for spacing. Not sure why he had the two in such close proximity and permitted them to continue without maneuvering one of them.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at January 30, 2025 06:52 AM (s8+VW)

112 100 One of the tv hosts said that the helicopter t-boned the airplane.

ATC told the chopper to go behind the airplane. The chopper acknowledged that but not sure what the hell happened then. It t-boned the airplane. At least that's what I've read from Fox and watching that Blancolirio video on YT. Blancolirio vid was pretty good.

youtu.be/ouDAnO8eMf8

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at January 30, 2025 06:54 AM (sAmhv)

113 I just googled

dc plane crash controller

and there's a lot of audio.

(Thanks for the word "controller," CrotchetyOldJarhead!)

Posted by: m at January 30, 2025 06:56 AM (v0TzN)

114 Well, off to bed, daywalkers. Gotta work a mid tonight.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at January 30, 2025 06:56 AM (sAmhv)

115 "DO YOU SUPPORT THE ONESIES?!"

I fully understand why people in the audience were laughing at Sanders, who not only is stupid and perverted to be thinking of infant onesies, but the staff also provided visual props.

The staffers talk to each other, they attended the same schools, they sleep with each other, they knew this stupidity was coming, and no one said "hey guys, this really looks childish and petty".

They went for it, knowing full well that this would be televised, that each inquisitor had only a few minutes per round with Kennedy, and this was their best shot and best argument/smear against Kennedy.

What are they teaching these staffers in the Ivies?

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at January 30, 2025 06:57 AM (a4flb)

116 BBC: A controller can reportedly be heard warning the helicopter about the plane, but receiving no reply.

Posted by: m at January 30, 2025 06:57 AM (v0TzN)

117
It appears that in Sweden if you burn a Koran and get shot to death, you had it coming to you and you can still be investigated for inciting racial hatred.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 30, 2025 06:59 AM (dxSpM)

118 It's so sad.

Posted by: m at January 30, 2025 06:59 AM (v0TzN)

119 Hadrian the Seventh, I hope you waved when you passed by my office on the way to Space Center Houston. I didn't see you wave, but I was working at least part of the time.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at January 30, 2025 06:59 AM (iZEhM)

120 Terrifying tragedy. I can't watch any aviation disaster videos. High school classmate lost her father in the Air Florida crash. It's a wonder more planes aren't lost.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 30, 2025 07:00 AM (KAi1n)

121
It's also Reagan's fault for firing all the air traffic controllers in 1981.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 30, 2025 07:00 AM (dxSpM)

122 Good morning good people.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 30, 2025 07:01 AM (WXNFJ)

123 Good morning morons

I haven't mentioned Oakland in a while, but ICYMI recalled Mayor Sheng Thao was arrested by the FBI last week for taking bribes.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 30, 2025 07:01 AM (RIvkX)

124 mornin yall. Joy Bayhard says Karoline Leavitt got the job because of her looks. I guess we all know that's not the case with the View crew.

Posted by: fd at January 30, 2025 07:01 AM (vFG9F)

125 124 Joy Bayhard
Posted by: fd at January 30, 2025 07:01 AM (vFG9F)

LOL

Posted by: m at January 30, 2025 07:02 AM (v0TzN)

126 Bray-hard

Posted by: m at January 30, 2025 07:03 AM (v0TzN)

127 I know it's almost a maxim that people don't like "combative", but really it's probably that people don't like combative and stupid.

Every single candidate for a post under a Republican Administration has to go into those hearings knowing that every single Democrat and a chunk of Republicans hate them. They think that their lofty positions protect them from their shitty behavior and every insult they lob will be gleefully repeated by the enemedia.

The candidate could be so civil that Miss Manners would ask them for advice and it would come out how mean, ignorant and out of touch they are. So yes, I think scorched Earth is a good start when they start answering questions, followed by pantsing reporters for asking stupid questions later.

Posted by: NR Pax at January 30, 2025 07:03 AM (svLOV)

128 Yes she was. The Alameda Co. grand jury is basically Oakland and then everyone else.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 30, 2025 07:03 AM (KAi1n)

129
Hadrian the Seventh, I hope you waved when you passed by my office on the way to Space Center Houston.

I most certainly did but your back was turned.

I actually enjoyed myself. The best things were examining the old spacecraft (Mercury, Gemini, Apollo), the extensive exhibit of the ISS and the Space Shuttle replica on the 747.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 30, 2025 07:04 AM (dxSpM)

130 Bay-at-the-moon hard

Posted by: m at January 30, 2025 07:04 AM (v0TzN)

131

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at January 30, 2025 07:04 AM (EFZgU)

132 I always wonder why someone would bribe a mayor in a town like Oakland but I guess real estate development must be the answer. It usually is in NYC anyway.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 30, 2025 07:05 AM (PeYT9)

133 Posted by: SFGoth at January 30, 2025 07:00 AM (KAi1n)

My primary flight instructor was driving the Value Jet that went into the everglades.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at January 30, 2025 07:06 AM (s8+VW)

134 The Juan Browne video on the crash was very interesting even though I didn't catch all of what he was describing. One comment that sticks with me is that helicopters skip across the Potomac from Bolling all of the time and he speculates that the copter was watching the incorrect plane after being alerted by atc. There was a plane departing while the crashed plane was landing. He also commented that the copter wouldn't see the front light on the plane since they were approaching from the side of the plane.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 30, 2025 07:06 AM (2NHgQ)

135 115 "DO YOU SUPPORT THE ONESIES?!"

What are they teaching these staffers in the Ivies?

It's soundbite reasoning - if it becomes a meme or a tiktok and isn't longer then 10 seconds it must be super-smert because all the rubes in flyoverland can't think as good
as them so you gotta make the message short, and loud, and, snide. That's what the rubes like, right?

Everyone from an Ivy is super-smert, they tell each other that all the time so it must be true.

Posted by: But I'm a Hero, the media says so at January 30, 2025 07:06 AM (F/35S)

136 It was the recycling contract. I was involved in litigation over it years ago.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 30, 2025 07:06 AM (KAi1n)

137 Was the airplane pulled over to change a flat tire when the helicopter t-boned it in mid air?

I'm going to apply the 72 Hour Rule before I take a guess at the answer.

Under the Biden junta, we would be told something about Trump's fault, Russia, or we all failed because of Climate Change™ not enough DEI, or our taxes are too low.

This will be interesting to see how transparent this incoming leadership is.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at January 30, 2025 07:06 AM (a4flb)

138
If we paid our big-city mayors more, they wouldn't have to resort to bribes in order to keep a roof over their heads.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 30, 2025 07:07 AM (dxSpM)

139 138
If we paid our big-city mayors more, they wouldn't have to resort to bribes in order to keep a roof over their heads.

If we treated big-city mayors like Admiral Byng, bribery wouldn't be a problem.

Posted by: But I'm a Hero, the media says so at January 30, 2025 07:09 AM (F/35S)

140 The staffers talk to each other, they attended the same schools, they sleep with each other, they knew this stupidity was coming, and no one said "hey guys, this really looks childish and petty".
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure

Could it be that the staffers are childish and petty? Every time I've been in DC, it has astounded me how young and lacking in life experience pol staffers are. We have drooling idiots on the boss end of the spectrum, and babies that look to be ready to pick up and burp on the low end of life experience.

That's how you get Joe and his administration.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 30, 2025 07:09 AM (WXNFJ)

141 I still can't get over the idea Karoline Leavitt married a 59 year old guy. She's got a lively looking little baby too.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 30, 2025 07:10 AM (ODk+P)

142 Off we go to hospital for Rev's colostomy reversal. Please God. The man is so beyond done with this.
Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at January 30, 2025 05:14 AM (SfhV1)
=====

Prayer for complete and speedy recovery.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 30, 2025 07:10 AM (RIvkX)

143 Blancolirio vid was a great explainer of the events.

youtu.be/ouDAnO8eMf8

See and avoid did not work for the Army helicopter. They were at fault, as the airliner did nothing wrong and was correctly positioned.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 30, 2025 07:11 AM (u82oZ)

144 I thought we weren't supposed to judge women based on their looks?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 30, 2025 07:11 AM (+iIV1)

145
It's also Reagan's fault for firing all the air traffic controllers in 1981.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 30, 2025 07:00 AM

that, and the "cage-free eggs" mandate

Posted by: AltonJackson at January 30, 2025 07:12 AM (tljrc)

146 {{{grammie winger}}}

May you get the new, improved Rev back.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 30, 2025 07:12 AM (u82oZ)

147 It was the recycling contract. I was involved in litigation over it years ago.
Posted by: SFGoth at January 30, 2025 07:06 AM (KAi1n)
====

There is literally nothing left in Oakland but the trash.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 30, 2025 07:12 AM (RIvkX)

148 "I thought we weren't supposed to judge women based on their looks?
Posted by: Warai-otoko"

It's ok if you are a bitter hag.

Posted by: fd at January 30, 2025 07:13 AM (vFG9F)

149 140 The staffers talk to each other, they attended the same schools, they sleep with each other, they knew this stupidity was coming, and no one said "hey guys, this really looks childish and petty".
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure

Could it be that the staffers are childish and petty? Every time I've been in DC, it has astounded me how young and lacking in life experience pol staffers are. We have drooling idiots on the boss end of the spectrum, and babies that look to be ready to pick up and burp on the low end of life experience.

That's how you get Joe and his administration.

Add a hiring regulation - legislative and executive employees are held to the same standard as the respective reps, senators, and president - 25,30,35 years old and full citizens. And add a caveat - out of school for at least 5 years - make them get real world experience somewhere.
End the school to governemnt pipeline

Posted by: But I'm a Hero, the media says so at January 30, 2025 07:14 AM (F/35S)

150 There is literally nothing left in Oakland but the trash.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 30, 2025 07:12 AM (RIvkX)
--------
And a cavernous empty stadium south of the city

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 30, 2025 07:14 AM (ODk+P)

151 If we paid our big-city mayors more, they wouldn't have to resort to bribes in order to keep a roof over their heads.

In the Good Old days, the people recognized that senior government leadership was universally crooked so they provided them with homes, drivers, food and utilities so that the bribe takers couldn't trot out that line of BS.

Apparently many didn't trust their pastors either.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at January 30, 2025 07:14 AM (a4flb)

152 Hillary Clinton

... types; deletes.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 30, 2025 07:14 AM (u82oZ)

153 141 I still can't get over the idea Karoline Leavitt married a 59 year old guy. She's got a lively looking little baby too.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 30, 2025 07:10 AM (ODk+P)

He's a very youthful-looking 59.

Posted by: m at January 30, 2025 07:15 AM (v0TzN)

154 Have a great morning, everyone.

May your life and local area be serene for another day.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 30, 2025 07:16 AM (u82oZ)

155 "I despise each and every one of you..."
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 30, 2025 06:47 AM (+iIV1)

I love that guy! He was some Jap politician/candidate right?

Posted by: Godzilla, Jap Eater at January 30, 2025 07:16 AM (7P61U)

156
Could it be that the staffers are childish and petty? Every time I've been in DC, it has astounded me how young and lacking in life experience pol staffers are.

The track is the same for all of them. Feeder schools, Ivies, the correct internships, staff positions. They have all the diversity of the Habsburg gene pool. None has had a retail job, worked on a farm or even seen a manufacturing facility or a process plant. They only talk to, associate and screw each other.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 30, 2025 07:16 AM (dxSpM)

157 And add a caveat - out of school for at least 5 years - make them get real world experience somewhere.
End the school to governemnt pipeline

They will just do Peace Corp and be indistinguishable from spoiled brat idiots that need to take the five years following University to "find themselves" in some South American jungle.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at January 30, 2025 07:17 AM (a4flb)

158 It's time for common sense onesie control.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at January 30, 2025 07:18 AM (dg+HA)

159 May your life and local area be serene for another day.
Posted by: NaCly Dog

Not a chance today Salty. My wife and I have to lead a town hall for the parish concerning a possible new facility. Imagine 75 old people sitting down and trying to grok us spending $6 Million.

As the learned sage Flounder once stated - "This is gonna be great!!"

Posted by: Tonypete at January 30, 2025 07:18 AM (WXNFJ)

160 How do we turn that into an EO - no Fed job for anyone with less than five years of non-public employment post most recent graduation. Real world experience required and no hiding in academia or local politics.

Posted by: But I'm a Hero, the media says so at January 30, 2025 07:18 AM (F/35S)

161 New Mayor Daniel Lurie continues San Francisco's tradition of failure and toxic tolerance. Mazel!
https://youtu.be/u-W_gXN8Ohg

Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 30, 2025 07:18 AM (RIvkX)

162 Gym is calling me. Saying "get tour lazy butt moving".

Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 30, 2025 07:18 AM (0nvhs)

163 157 And add a caveat - out of school for at least 5 years - make them get real world experience somewhere.
End the school to governemnt pipeline

They will just do Peace Corp and be indistinguishable from spoiled brat idiots that need to take the five years following University to "find themselves" in some South American jungle.

Peace Corp has made nothing better in 60 years, time for it to go away.

Posted by: But I'm a Hero, the media says so at January 30, 2025 07:20 AM (F/35S)

164
They will just do Peace Corp and be indistinguishable from spoiled brat idiots that need to take the five years following University to "find themselves" in some South American jungle.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at January 30, 2025 07:17 AM (a4flb)

I wish they'd "find themselves" at the end of a poisoned spear. And do you think people who have a nervous breakdown at the thought of actually going into an office every day are going to get any "real world experience"?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 30, 2025 07:20 AM (dxSpM)

165 Shawn Ryan interview with biologist: interesting discussion about how to transform your health for the better.

https://tinyurl.com/3fw6xadv

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at January 30, 2025 07:21 AM (GMt/Y)

166 I cannot wait until American women cannot get blueberries.

https://x.com/DineshDSouza/status/
1884613844116426809

Posted by: rhennigantx at January 30, 2025 07:21 AM (gbOdA)

167 It's kind of a problem if you look at it the other way around too.... staffers aren't *supposed* to know anything. They're basically interns. Apprentices. They come out of whatever diploma mill they got sent to not knowing shit about shit, and the higher-ups in whoever's office they get assigned to are supposed to show them the ropes. Teach them how the sausage is made. That sort of thing.

Instead, the "higher ups" are idiots themselves, who still don't know shit about shit thirty years after graduating, and the soppy little dickheads getting hired think they already know how to Fix Everything, so now there's just this gross little closed-loop terrarium of stupidity and buttfucking going on.

It's a slimy pole, and only the slimiest mollusks can make it to the top.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 30, 2025 07:22 AM (+iIV1)

168 I ask this out of ignorance: How has it been readily determined that the plane crashed into the helicopter--rather than the other way around? I have seen some reports still cautiously saying that the two "collided."
Posted by: m at January 30, 2025 06:45 AM (v0TzN)

What NaCly dog said, based on the Blancolirio vid Grumpy and Recalcitrant posted.

The ATC transcript shows that the military helicopter, callsign PAT25, received and accepted a visual clearance regarding the approaching airline flight and then struck the aircraft.

Unless there are other extenuating circumstances, the blame belongs to PAT25.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at January 30, 2025 07:23 AM (/HDaX)

169 168 I ask this out of ignorance: How has it been readily determined that the plane crashed into the helicopter--rather than the other way around? I have seen some reports still cautiously saying that the two "collided."
Posted by: m at January 30, 2025 06:45 AM (v0TzN)

What NaCly dog said, based on the Blancolirio vid Grumpy and Recalcitrant posted.

The ATC transcript shows that the military helicopter, callsign PAT25, received and accepted a visual clearance regarding the approaching airline flight and then struck the aircraft.

Unless there are other extenuating circumstances, the blame belongs to PAT25.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at January 30, 2025 07:23 AM (/HDaX)

Thank you!

Posted by: m at January 30, 2025 07:24 AM (v0TzN)

170
Articles of impeachment will be filed today against Trump for this accident.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 30, 2025 07:26 AM (dxSpM)

171 It's time for common sense onesie control.

Hey! kbdabear often offers up photo essays that include women demonstrating proper Onesie control.

And many athletes (and probably non athletes with a spandex fetish) wear Onesies (aka one-piece triathalon suits).

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at January 30, 2025 07:26 AM (a4flb)

172 They should have got that Foney Willis to be the pilot.

That bitch has proven she can handle a Blackhawk or two.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 30, 2025 07:27 AM (+iIV1)

173 The ATC transcript shows that the military helicopter, callsign PAT25, received and accepted a visual clearance regarding the approaching airline flight and then struck the aircraft.

One would think that at the very least the more maneuverable aircraft would have to cede the airspace when their appears to be a contest for it.

Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at January 30, 2025 07:28 AM (a4flb)

174 So "received and accepted a visual clearance" is just a bunch of syllables to say "I don't know just try not to hit nothin' i guess"?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 30, 2025 07:29 AM (+iIV1)

175 Well, Pixy, you made a crummy morning a little bit better by referencing Princess Bride. Thank you.

Posted by: pookysgirl, not involved in a land war in Asia.... yet at January 30, 2025 07:30 AM (Wt5PA)

176 Nood JJ

Posted by: Blutarski, Gradually then Suddenly at January 30, 2025 07:31 AM (b294k)

177
aaand ah onesie, anda' twosie...

Posted by: Zombie Lawrence Welk at January 30, 2025 07:32 AM (EFZgU)

178 Good morning, good people, from the Frigidacks on a Thursday that should have stayed in a warm bed.

As should I. Snuck outside for "just a sec" to straighten up a garbage can dumped by the wind, only got a light jacket on and the wind is still gusting. Not going out there again until things calm down. Our garbage service does very well for us, most everyone has the automated can pickup with the 2 arms, now the driver rarely has to exit his cozy dry cab to wrestle a recalcitrant can into submission. Seriously, that has taken a shit job and improved hell out of it.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at January 30, 2025 07:33 AM (hKoQL)

179 G'mornin' everyone!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 30, 2025 07:33 AM (uX4GZ)

180 nood!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 30, 2025 07:33 AM (uX4GZ)

181 One would think that at the very least the more maneuverable aircraft would have to cede the airspace when their appears to be a contest for it.
Posted by: Unknown Drip Under Pressure at January 30, 2025 07:28 AM (a4flb)

In highly controlled airspace like that around DCA, the controller's directives are paramount.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at January 30, 2025 07:35 AM (/HDaX)

182 I remember the time a airliner crashed into the Potomac river. US Airways I believe. Ice and cold water and some dramatic rescues in that crash long forgotten now. If everything works just right, Regan National is a safe airport, but so much can go wrong. I hate flying into that airport.

Posted by: Colin at January 30, 2025 07:36 AM (wlQdF)

183 I'm going to apply the 72 Hour Rule before I take a guess at the answer.

Sure. Were you here in the opening minutes of coverage?
Our Gang had it pinned on women and Negroes in seconds.
Because that's just too much good clean fun to pass up.

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at January 30, 2025 07:37 AM (zdLoL)

184 Opps. I credited the video VIA posted to G&R. My apologies.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at January 30, 2025 08:01 AM (/HDaX)

185 And belay that last posting. Moar coffee.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at January 30, 2025 08:03 AM (/HDaX)

186 177
aaand ah onesie, anda' twosie...

Posted by: Zombie Lawrence Welk at January 30, 2025 07:32 AM (EFZgU)

; )

Posted by: m at January 30, 2025 08:12 AM (v0TzN)

187 Horrible what happened. I read that members of US Skating National Development Team and coaches were on board. Here is the rest from a Wichita newspaper :

https://tinyurl.com/35f5rszv

Posted by: runner at January 30, 2025 08:21 AM (g47mK)

188 @187 In Feb 1961, a Sabena crash near Brussels wiped out the entire US figure skating team, on their way to a world championship at Prague.

Everybody talks about Nancy Kerrigan. Nobody goes on about Fate being The Hunter. Something about figure skating?

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