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Gun Thread: Final January Edition!
FUNdamentals President Trump is focusing on his fundamentals. Are you?
Guns of the Horde Our pal EdL saves us again with this outstanding review!
Like many B&T products, the "Hush Puppy" pistol is a unique product with features not found anywhere else in the market today. B&T started with a standard 5th Generation Glock 19 and heavily modified it to produce the "Hush Puppy"
B&T mounted an Aimpoint Accro P2 red dot sight on the rear of the slide. But B&T didn't simply mount it on top of the slide. Instead, B&T moved the rear sights forward of the red dot sight before milling out most of the top of slide in order get the Accro P2 as low as possible to the shooter's line of vision. B&T also milled down the Accro's mount in order to lower it by a few more millimeters. This results in the red dot almost co-witnessing the iron sights. If the red dot sight is turned off, the iron sights remain usable thanks to the low mount of the Accro P2.
The unique feature of the "Hush Puppy" is its slide locking mechanism. Its switch (up position for normal operation, down position to lock the slide in place) harks back the USN SEAL teams' issued S&W Mark 22 Mod O pistols, which were the original "Hush Puppy" pistols. Unlike the originals, this new 'Hush Puppy" locks the slide in place by locking the barrel and slide in place when the pistol is fired. Since the Glock 19 uses the classic tilting barrel design pioneered by John Browning, keeping the barrel locked to the slide when fired will prevent the slide from moving.
The "Hush Puppy" suppressor is a two-stage design. Use just one to maximize the concealability of the pistol. Add the second stage to get maximum sound reduction. The first stage is just three inches long from the barrel threads to the muzzle. The second stage adds another three inches to the total length of the pistol. The suppressor uses wipes, which greatly increase the suppressor's capability to quiet gunshots given its size. Using just the first stage, it reduces 9mm subsonic ammunition's gunshot noise to that of a pellet gun. The downside of using wipes is that bullets actually pass through the wipes. After about ten shots, performance regarding noise will degrade as more and more bullets pass through the wipes. Therefore, only limited practice while using the wipes is possible. Your purchase comes in a hard case with custom foam cutouts complete with the pistol, two magazines, "Hush Puppy" suppressor, barrel cleaning rod, barrel cleaning brush, suppressor disassembly tool, two adjustable backstraps for the Glock 19, user manual for the Glock 19, and 100 rounds of 147 grain "Hush Puppy" ammunition.
But how does it shoot, you ask? Without the suppressor, using 150 grain Federal Syntech ammunition, the combination of the Glock 19 and the Aimpoint P2 Accro is outstanding once the Accro is zeroed properly. The target shown was placed at ten yards. Due to the limited life of the wipes, only a few shots were fired. The first picture shows a single shot from me with the suppressor at ten yards. The second picture shows a combination of Sharon (Willow's Apprentice) and Iris's efforts from ten yards. Not bad considering that both had only ten rounds of familiarization fire each before shooting the "Hush Puppy" with the suppressor. Since this is B&T we're talking about, the price will automatically be the biggest negative to this firearm. MSRP is around $2,300. But if that's too much for you, B&T also offers the option to have your Glock 17, 19, 19X, 45, 47, and 49 modified to fit an Aimpoint Accro P2 like the "Hush Puppy" for $939. This cost is reduced to $389 if you can supply the Aimpoint Accro P2 yourself. If you decide that the "Hush Puppy" is for you, don't forget to add in another $200 for the tax stamp required for the suppressor. This isn't cheap, but considering that you're getting a semi-custom Glock 19 fitted with an Aimpoint Accro P2 (a premium red dot pistol sight), a unique suppressor, and a custom fitted hard case for all this and accessories, it's not an outrageous price.
Very informative, thank you Ed L!!
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Posted by: Eromero at January 26, 2025 07:00 PM (LHPAg)
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baNG?
Posted by: Eromero at January 26, 2025 07:01 PM (LHPAg)
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Hello everyone. Great thread Weasel!
Posted by: rancherbob at January 26, 2025 07:03 PM (Khfp9)
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Good evening everyone
Been seeing a few videos from Shot Sow from Ian at Forgotten Weapons, one there is a new version of the FN-FAL coming out in a few months.
Been seeing a few videos from Shot Sow from Ian at Forgotten Weapons, one there is a new version of the FN-FAL coming out in a few months.
Posted by: Skip at January 26, 2025 07:04 PM (fwDg9)
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Hello, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at January 26, 2025 07:04 PM (AiJK3)
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ILGS won
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at January 26, 2025 07:04 PM (t88zN)
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Howdy 🤠
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at January 26, 2025 07:06 PM (sAmhv)
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Yay! Gubs!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2025 07:07 PM (Wnv9h)
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'Sup, Weasel?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2025 07:07 PM (Wnv9h)
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Rancherbob, cheers
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 07:08 PM (oT+t6)
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Evening everyone!!!
EdL, nice write-up of the B&T. Interesting the moving of the rear sights to the front of the red dot. But that price? Ouch!!
Now referring to MisHum's picture, what about ear protection?
EdL, nice write-up of the B&T. Interesting the moving of the rear sights to the front of the red dot. But that price? Ouch!!
Now referring to MisHum's picture, what about ear protection?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 26, 2025 07:08 PM (0XVad)
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 07:09 PM (ZOv7s)
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Now referring to MisHum's picture, what about ear protection?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 26, 2025 07:08 PM
Muff type, or plugs....?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 26, 2025 07:08 PM
Muff type, or plugs....?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2025 07:09 PM (Wnv9h)
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Now referring to MisHum's picture, what about ear protection?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 26, 2025 07:08 PM (0XVad)
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Hidden by the hair, obviously.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 26, 2025 07:08 PM (0XVad)
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Hidden by the hair, obviously.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 07:10 PM (ZOv7s)
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Thanks EdL for the review.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 07:10 PM (ctrM5)
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For those who didn't peruse the Food Thread, CBD used milliliter measurements for both water and flour.
This makes it probable that tonight is the night he will come out and announce his transition to Euroweenie, and his calibre pronoun is 9mm.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. It's not like Crocs will be his footwear choice at the TxMoMe this year.
I hope.
This makes it probable that tonight is the night he will come out and announce his transition to Euroweenie, and his calibre pronoun is 9mm.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. It's not like Crocs will be his footwear choice at the TxMoMe this year.
I hope.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 07:11 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: rancherbob at January 26, 2025 07:12 PM (Khfp9)
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Nice writeup EdL!
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 07:14 PM (ZOv7s)
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Before 911, should one think no matter the circumstances can the body be dissappeared?
Posted by: Skip at January 26, 2025 07:14 PM (fwDg9)
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Lipsey's has announced no-lock versions of the .44 Mag and .357 Mountain Guns. I will be Pon-farring for a .357.
I have OG .41 & .44 mag MGs. I wouldn't mind another .41, truth be told.
I have OG .41 & .44 mag MGs. I wouldn't mind another .41, truth be told.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 07:15 PM (a3Q+t)
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EdL, nice write-up of the B&T. Interesting the moving of the rear sights to the front of the red dot. But that price? Ouch!!
Now referring to MisHum's picture, what about ear protection?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 26, 2025 07:08 PM (0XVad)
Scoob, this is B&T we're talking about. When have the Swiss made anything for cheap?
That Vickers also doesn't have a water can collecting condensate from the barrel jacket. Prolonged firing won't be possible. She'll have to keep the rate of fire down.
Now referring to MisHum's picture, what about ear protection?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 26, 2025 07:08 PM (0XVad)
Scoob, this is B&T we're talking about. When have the Swiss made anything for cheap?
That Vickers also doesn't have a water can collecting condensate from the barrel jacket. Prolonged firing won't be possible. She'll have to keep the rate of fire down.
Posted by: Ed L at January 26, 2025 07:15 PM (AiJK3)
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This makes it probable that tonight is the night he will come out and announce his transition to Euroweenie, and his calibre pronoun is 9mm.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 07:11 PM (a3Q+t)
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True Euroweenies use 7.65mm Browning.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 07:11 PM (a3Q+t)
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True Euroweenies use 7.65mm Browning.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 07:15 PM (ZOv7s)
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4 I make a habit, every morning over coffee, of watching a Forgotten Weapons episode just for education purposes. Very entertaining and makes you believe Ian has the best job ever. Also makes you wonder "how in the hell did somebody find that weird gun". "Oh, let me show you my Steiner Malinowski side loading pistol in 6.9 Baumgarten. Not as rare as the ones in 7.2 Slivovitz".
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 26, 2025 07:15 PM (gm9Sb)
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Oh, my. Late, but not my fault.
Posted by: RI Red at January 26, 2025 07:16 PM (mMtti)
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Good evening pew-pew enthusiasts.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2025 07:16 PM (W/lyH)
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CBD used milliliter measurements for both water and flour.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 07:11 PM (a3Q+t)
CBD used grams, not milliliters. And he will never give up his 11.43 mm pistols!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 07:11 PM (a3Q+t)
CBD used grams, not milliliters. And he will never give up his 11.43 mm pistols!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 26, 2025 07:16 PM (d9fT1)
Posted by: andycanuck (5LoD7) at January 26, 2025 07:17 PM (5LoD7)
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True Euroweenies use 7.65mm Browning.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 07:15 PM
And extend their pinkies whilst sipping Earl Grey?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 07:15 PM
And extend their pinkies whilst sipping Earl Grey?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 07:17 PM (a3Q+t)
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That Vickers also doesn't have a water can collecting condensate from the barrel jacket. Prolonged firing won't be possible. She'll have to keep the rate of fire down.
Posted by: Ed L at January 26, 2025 07:15 PM (AiJK3)
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Given the lack of footwear, I'm assuming this is an impromptu range session, not a planned one. Fire until she seizes up or the target is neutralized.
Posted by: Ed L at January 26, 2025 07:15 PM (AiJK3)
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Given the lack of footwear, I'm assuming this is an impromptu range session, not a planned one. Fire until she seizes up or the target is neutralized.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 07:17 PM (ZOv7s)
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(Hallelujah Chorus playing in the background)
S&W has finally come to Jesus! They have revamped their Classics series -- Model 36 Chiefs Special, Model 10 Hand Ejector, and Model 19 Combat Magnum and done away with the internal safety! Other refinements to make these models closer to the originals (barrels, sights, grips) are included as well. They are also offering two of their Mountain Gun series without the Hillary Hole!
S&W has finally come to Jesus! They have revamped their Classics series -- Model 36 Chiefs Special, Model 10 Hand Ejector, and Model 19 Combat Magnum and done away with the internal safety! Other refinements to make these models closer to the originals (barrels, sights, grips) are included as well. They are also offering two of their Mountain Gun series without the Hillary Hole!
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at January 26, 2025 07:18 PM (Hdixl)
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Oh, my. Late, but not my fault.
Posted by: RI Red at January 26, 2025 07:16 PM
Stopped to talk to Huckleberry Finn?
Sir, go and sit on the 'ettes' side of the blog.
Posted by: RI Red at January 26, 2025 07:16 PM
Stopped to talk to Huckleberry Finn?
Sir, go and sit on the 'ettes' side of the blog.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2025 07:18 PM (Wnv9h)
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I have OG .41 & .44 mag MGs. I wouldn't mind another .41, truth be told.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Ammo and brass supply eased up yet on 41 Magnum? Had a chance in 2008 to get into that cartridge with a Marlin lever action and a N Frame S&W revolver. Passed on it to my regret as both were sweet--the Marlin was new and the N Frame had been well cared for.
Bit too late for me to consider such now.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Ammo and brass supply eased up yet on 41 Magnum? Had a chance in 2008 to get into that cartridge with a Marlin lever action and a N Frame S&W revolver. Passed on it to my regret as both were sweet--the Marlin was new and the N Frame had been well cared for.
Bit too late for me to consider such now.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 07:18 PM (ctrM5)
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S&W has finally come to Jesus! They have revamped their Classics series -- Model 36 Chiefs Special, Model 10 Hand Ejector, and Model 19 Combat Magnum and done away with the internal safety! Other refinements to make these models closer to the originals (barrels, sights, grips) are included as well. They are also offering two of their Mountain Gun series without the Hillary Hole!
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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No sleeved barrel ?
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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No sleeved barrel ?
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 07:19 PM (ctrM5)
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RMBS, you keep him. He may be too pansy for us.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 07:20 PM (oT+t6)
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And extend their pinkies whilst sipping Earl Grey?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 07:17 PM
That's for the ones who shoot 6.35mm.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 07:17 PM
That's for the ones who shoot 6.35mm.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2025 07:20 PM (Wnv9h)
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I read the content on the B&T Hush Puppy. Many years ago I had the pleasure of shooting a High Standard genuine suppressed Military. I can't remember if it used wipers, but here was the case where you could say silencer instead of suppressor. Running just standard velocity (no sub sonic then) all you would hear is the click, click, click of the slide cycling.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 26, 2025 07:21 PM (gm9Sb)
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RMBS, you keep him. He may be too pansy for us.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 07:20 PM
Cruelty Level: Chuy
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 07:20 PM
Cruelty Level: Chuy
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2025 07:21 PM (Wnv9h)
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Sir, go and sit on the 'ettes' side of the blog.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2025 07:18 PM (Wnv9h)
Gladly, Sire. They smell much better.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2025 07:18 PM (Wnv9h)
Gladly, Sire. They smell much better.
Posted by: RI Red at January 26, 2025 07:22 PM (mMtti)
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CBD used milliliter measurements for both water and flour.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 07:11 PM
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CBD used grams, not milliliters. And he will never give up his 11.43 mm pistols!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 26, 2025 07:16 PM
1) You are correct. I apologize.
2) Clearly the transition isn't happening, it's already occurred. This can only mean the next time you attempt to tease nurse, you will be shouting 11.43mm in an outrageous French accent.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 07:11 PM
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CBD used grams, not milliliters. And he will never give up his 11.43 mm pistols!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 26, 2025 07:16 PM
1) You are correct. I apologize.
2) Clearly the transition isn't happening, it's already occurred. This can only mean the next time you attempt to tease nurse, you will be shouting 11.43mm in an outrageous French accent.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 07:22 PM (a3Q+t)
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Since when does sitting with the 'ettes constitute a punishment?
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at January 26, 2025 07:22 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Thanks for the gub, Weasel!
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 26, 2025 07:23 PM (mH6SG)
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Sir, go and sit on the 'ettes' side of the blog.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2025 07:18 PM (Wnv9h)
Gladly, Sire. They smell much better.
Posted by: RI Red at January 26, 2025 07:22 PM
Narrator: He's not wrong.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2025 07:18 PM (Wnv9h)
Gladly, Sire. They smell much better.
Posted by: RI Red at January 26, 2025 07:22 PM
Narrator: He's not wrong.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2025 07:23 PM (Wnv9h)
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Good shooting??
It looks great to me, getting all eight shots square in the centre of those circles drawn in pencil on the target.
It looks great to me, getting all eight shots square in the centre of those circles drawn in pencil on the target.
Posted by: andycanuck (5LoD7) at January 26, 2025 07:23 PM (5LoD7)
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Can I be the guy who virtue signals that he never watches (sniff) sportsball, and hasn't owned a television set since 1952?
I'll be in the smoking room, having my manservant bring me back issues of National Review, if you need me for any more cultural insights.
I'll be in the smoking room, having my manservant bring me back issues of National Review, if you need me for any more cultural insights.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at January 26, 2025 07:23 PM (B5VDw)
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And extend their pinkies whilst sipping Earl Grey?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 07:17 PM (a3Q+t)
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No, those are Brits, who are so decadent and depraved as to no longer possess a domestic small arms industry of any consequence.
The Euroweenies don't bathe regularly, drink wine with lunch and outsource their family formation to Mustafa and his wives.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 07:17 PM (a3Q+t)
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No, those are Brits, who are so decadent and depraved as to no longer possess a domestic small arms industry of any consequence.
The Euroweenies don't bathe regularly, drink wine with lunch and outsource their family formation to Mustafa and his wives.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 07:23 PM (ZOv7s)
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Colt needs to bring back the Detective Special.
Posted by: Allen at January 26, 2025 07:23 PM (Ksh42)
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No sleeved barrel ?
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 07:19 PM (ctrM5)
Not on the Model 36 or Model 10. The Model 19 still has the sleeve. And unlike the originals, rated for .38 Special +P.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 07:19 PM (ctrM5)
Not on the Model 36 or Model 10. The Model 19 still has the sleeve. And unlike the originals, rated for .38 Special +P.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at January 26, 2025 07:24 PM (Hdixl)
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True Euroweenies use 7.65mm Browning.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 07:15 PM (ZOv7s)
Beretta has reintroduced a revamped Cheetah and Tomcat in .32 ACP / 7.65.mm Browning at this year's SHOT Show. And Walther has already reintroduced .32 ACP / 7.65mm Browning in its PP/PPK platform. B&T is rumored to be at work on a suppressor for the .32 ACP version of the Walther PPK/S SD variant. It looks like .32 ACP is making a bit of a comeback this year.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 07:15 PM (ZOv7s)
Beretta has reintroduced a revamped Cheetah and Tomcat in .32 ACP / 7.65.mm Browning at this year's SHOT Show. And Walther has already reintroduced .32 ACP / 7.65mm Browning in its PP/PPK platform. B&T is rumored to be at work on a suppressor for the .32 ACP version of the Walther PPK/S SD variant. It looks like .32 ACP is making a bit of a comeback this year.
Posted by: Ed L at January 26, 2025 07:24 PM (AiJK3)
Posted by: RI Red at January 26, 2025 07:24 PM (mMtti)
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Is that Truedeau's mom at the machine gun? Seems like something she might have done....
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 26, 2025 07:25 PM (tT6L1)
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Sorry, I'm drinking tonight.
But I do have a Canadian permit to own guns.
Trudeau banned a lot of stuff but that doesn't matter. I'd prefer to see him drawn and quartered old school.
It was 2021 or so when I got my permit.
There's a gun store in a nearby city that had the necessary classes. During the scamdemic, I was there. Masks were dropped after doors closed.
I was incredible on written tests. But i was nervous during the practical part, holding the gun. The instructor was great. I knew what I was doing but was nervous.
So I passed.
I can own some firearms in Canada.
If I make some friends, I can probably score tons of not allowed things.
Mom just passed away, , my life is upside down, so gun ownership is not for me yet.
I'm getting better. I hope to join this part of tne Horde soon.
But I do have a Canadian permit to own guns.
Trudeau banned a lot of stuff but that doesn't matter. I'd prefer to see him drawn and quartered old school.
It was 2021 or so when I got my permit.
There's a gun store in a nearby city that had the necessary classes. During the scamdemic, I was there. Masks were dropped after doors closed.
I was incredible on written tests. But i was nervous during the practical part, holding the gun. The instructor was great. I knew what I was doing but was nervous.
So I passed.
I can own some firearms in Canada.
If I make some friends, I can probably score tons of not allowed things.
Mom just passed away, , my life is upside down, so gun ownership is not for me yet.
I'm getting better. I hope to join this part of tne Horde soon.
Posted by: Stateless...24% - mental state clawing up from 10% at January 26, 2025 07:26 PM (jvJvP)
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Good evening and thanks again for the thread, Weasel!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 26, 2025 07:26 PM (tT6L1)
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It looks like .32 ACP is making a bit of a comeback this year.
Posted by: Ed L at January 26, 2025 07:24 PM (AiJK3)
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I love to see it!
Colt needs to do an updated Pocket Hammerless, one in steel, one using polymer.
Posted by: Ed L at January 26, 2025 07:24 PM (AiJK3)
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I love to see it!
Colt needs to do an updated Pocket Hammerless, one in steel, one using polymer.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 07:27 PM (ZOv7s)
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Happy to have you here Stateless.....
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at January 26, 2025 07:27 PM (IQ6Gq)
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One reason I will be glad to be shed of Colorado is the ever-tightening ratchet on all things gubs.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Ready for Idaho at January 26, 2025 07:27 PM (Ad8y9)
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Colt needs to bring back the Detective Special.
Posted by: Allen at January 26, 2025 07:23 PM (Ksh42)
They did. It's the new Colt Cobra. Two inch barrel, six shots of .38 Special +P, rubber grips, and fiber optic front sight. Call it a modernized Detective Special if you want. The mechanism on the inside is completely different, though.
Posted by: Allen at January 26, 2025 07:23 PM (Ksh42)
They did. It's the new Colt Cobra. Two inch barrel, six shots of .38 Special +P, rubber grips, and fiber optic front sight. Call it a modernized Detective Special if you want. The mechanism on the inside is completely different, though.
Posted by: Ed L at January 26, 2025 07:28 PM (AiJK3)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 26, 2025 07:29 PM (tT6L1)
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Well gang. I'd of had a great cigar review this week but the last couple of times I've reached into the humidor of surprises, I've pulled ones I've written about already. the last was a Montecristo platinum series. An excellent cigar.
I promise to search diligently for next week.
I promise to search diligently for next week.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2025 07:29 PM (W/lyH)
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I'm getting better. I hope to join this part of tne Horde soon.
Posted by: Stateless...24% - mental state clawing up from 10% at January 26, 2025 07:26 PM (jvJvP)
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Welcome to the club! At least you have access to Chinese stuff denied to the rest of us. Weird that Castreau won't stop Chicom gun imports.
Posted by: Stateless...24% - mental state clawing up from 10% at January 26, 2025 07:26 PM (jvJvP)
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Welcome to the club! At least you have access to Chinese stuff denied to the rest of us. Weird that Castreau won't stop Chicom gun imports.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 07:29 PM (ZOv7s)
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Howdy Weasel! And the rest of you as well, I guess.
Posted by: Doof at January 26, 2025 07:30 PM (RFPHU)
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One reason I will be glad to be shed of Colorado is the ever-tightening ratchet on all things gubs.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Ready for Idaho at January 26, 2025 07:27 PM (Ad8y9)
My daughter and her family live in Washington State. I say that with the same sense of pity as I would if they had lived in Cold War Romania.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Ready for Idaho at January 26, 2025 07:27 PM (Ad8y9)
My daughter and her family live in Washington State. I say that with the same sense of pity as I would if they had lived in Cold War Romania.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at January 26, 2025 07:31 PM (Hdixl)
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Funny thing about Quantum Theory. I think Einstein said something along the lines of, "God wouldn't play dice with the universe."
Whereas I think Mr. Einstein might have been looking at it from the wrong end of the telescope. Probability leaves room for what we would call "miracles."
Whereas I think Mr. Einstein might have been looking at it from the wrong end of the telescope. Probability leaves room for what we would call "miracles."
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 26, 2025 07:31 PM (tT6L1)
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Doof!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2025 07:32 PM (Wnv9h)
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Doof, the rest of us are wondering how dinner turned out?
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at January 26, 2025 07:32 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I know it makes no difference in accuracy or usability but I love blued steel with wood grips. A little sterling engraving is even better.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 07:32 PM (oT+t6)
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GO BIRDS!!!🦅
Posted by: Mick at January 26, 2025 07:33 PM (gYvAB)
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I know it makes no difference in accuracy or usability but I love blued steel with wood grips. A little sterling engraving is even better.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 07:32 PM (oT+t6)
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Comfort counts, and all-steel construction reduces felt recoil and can boost accuracy.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 07:32 PM (oT+t6)
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Comfort counts, and all-steel construction reduces felt recoil and can boost accuracy.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 07:34 PM (ZOv7s)
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Oh, yeah, range report: None.
Yesterday was our 500 meter silhouette contest. I was looking to redeem myself after the 1000 yard failure.
Alas, was not to be. I caught something which necessitated my staying home on what appeared to be an ideal day to shoot: cold, clear and lack of wind.
Eh, next week.
Yesterday was our 500 meter silhouette contest. I was looking to redeem myself after the 1000 yard failure.
Alas, was not to be. I caught something which necessitated my staying home on what appeared to be an ideal day to shoot: cold, clear and lack of wind.
Eh, next week.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 26, 2025 07:34 PM (tT6L1)
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Grateful, thank you again for last evening.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 07:35 PM (oT+t6)
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Doof, the rest of us are wondering how dinner turned out?
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at January 26, 2025 07:32 PM (IQ6Gq)
Really? Y'all actually pay attention to me??
The chicken cacciatore has been on a slow simmer for about an hour now. Taste test a few minutes ago was quite yummy. I think it's about time to partake in full. Complete review to follow.
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at January 26, 2025 07:32 PM (IQ6Gq)
Really? Y'all actually pay attention to me??
The chicken cacciatore has been on a slow simmer for about an hour now. Taste test a few minutes ago was quite yummy. I think it's about time to partake in full. Complete review to follow.
Posted by: Doof at January 26, 2025 07:36 PM (RFPHU)
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Well, the Marxist asshats here in Washington State have decided the best way to keep our communities safe and prevent the 500 plus suicides last year by firearms is to slap a huge tax increase on ammo.
Brilliant.
But even saying in public that the commie assholes in olympia have never met a tax they didn't like will get me reported on the State AG's (Stasi) hotline.
Heh.
Don't ya just love democrats?
Dickheads.
Brilliant.
But even saying in public that the commie assholes in olympia have never met a tax they didn't like will get me reported on the State AG's (Stasi) hotline.
Heh.
Don't ya just love democrats?
Dickheads.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2025 07:37 PM (W/lyH)
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29 Fire until she seizes up or the target is neutralized.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 07:17 PM
I think the target would be neutralized by her smoldering good looks. :-)
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 07:17 PM
I think the target would be neutralized by her smoldering good looks. :-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 26, 2025 07:37 PM (0XVad)
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Good evening Horde. Hope everyone is well. Thanks Weasel for another gub thread.
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 07:37 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Ok, Range Report.
My AR 10 pukes up 150 grain bullets. I am determined to correct this. Most of my other loads are just over 1 MOA.
I did a .5 grain ladder of Varget yesterday. It was bad. 2.7 inches, 5 inches!, etc, etc.
I did get a 1.1” with one flyer. Worth examining, but I ran out of Nosler 150s.
My life is difficult.
My AR 10 pukes up 150 grain bullets. I am determined to correct this. Most of my other loads are just over 1 MOA.
I did a .5 grain ladder of Varget yesterday. It was bad. 2.7 inches, 5 inches!, etc, etc.
I did get a 1.1” with one flyer. Worth examining, but I ran out of Nosler 150s.
My life is difficult.
Posted by: RI Red at January 26, 2025 07:38 PM (mMtti)
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"I know it makes no difference in accuracy or usability but I love blued steel with wood grips. A little sterling engraving is even better.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 07:32 PM (oT+t6)"
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A work of art!
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 07:32 PM (oT+t6)"
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A work of art!
Posted by: Cosda at January 26, 2025 07:38 PM (HDvRl)
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Yesterday I dropped into a Sportsman's Warehouse and was completely bored by what I saw.
Ammo was meh, all polymer stuff, none I wanted. It's a paradox, the cooler my aquatic collection gets, the less anything ordinary interests me.
I'm sure part of it is the midwinter ennui brought about by prohibitively cold weather.
Ammo was meh, all polymer stuff, none I wanted. It's a paradox, the cooler my aquatic collection gets, the less anything ordinary interests me.
I'm sure part of it is the midwinter ennui brought about by prohibitively cold weather.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 07:38 PM (ZOv7s)
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My favorite "Forgotten Weapons" episode: Ian shoots a Colt Monitor.
The slow motion part showed the barrel whip, which was fascinating.
Yeah, I want one.
The slow motion part showed the barrel whip, which was fascinating.
Yeah, I want one.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 26, 2025 07:38 PM (tT6L1)
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38 Gladly, Sire. They smell much better.
Posted by: RI Red at January 26, 2025 07:22 PM
Smart move sir. ;-)
Posted by: RI Red at January 26, 2025 07:22 PM
Smart move sir. ;-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 26, 2025 07:38 PM (0XVad)
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Diogenes, they can't tax care packages can they ?
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 07:39 PM (oT+t6)
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@56 Thanks Ed!
Posted by: Allen at January 26, 2025 07:39 PM (Ksh42)
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Not on the Model 36 or Model 10. The Model 19 still has the sleeve. And unlike the originals, rated for .38 Special +P.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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The dirty secret is pretty much any Smith made after 1957 (that was the beginning of numbered models--switched in midyear so some made in 57 are numbered and some just go by M&P, Combat, Target, etc.) was informally rated for +p. It just increases wear on the working surfaces a bit if that is all you shoot but fine as far as safety goes.
All the stainless models were fine with +p including the Model 60. It just stings a bit more if you use the wood splinter grips instead of Hogues. There is about a 2K psi difference between regular 38 Special and 38 Special +p.
+p+ that you sometimes used to see occasionally at gunshows though is something to avoid firing in anything less than a 357. Not a SAAMI spec and so has wide pressure variances. Smith and Wesson brand ammo in particular was extremely hot pressure wise.
FWIW, Aimsurplus has Smith Model 64's (fixed sight, stainless steel) used for about five Franklins.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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The dirty secret is pretty much any Smith made after 1957 (that was the beginning of numbered models--switched in midyear so some made in 57 are numbered and some just go by M&P, Combat, Target, etc.) was informally rated for +p. It just increases wear on the working surfaces a bit if that is all you shoot but fine as far as safety goes.
All the stainless models were fine with +p including the Model 60. It just stings a bit more if you use the wood splinter grips instead of Hogues. There is about a 2K psi difference between regular 38 Special and 38 Special +p.
+p+ that you sometimes used to see occasionally at gunshows though is something to avoid firing in anything less than a 357. Not a SAAMI spec and so has wide pressure variances. Smith and Wesson brand ammo in particular was extremely hot pressure wise.
FWIW, Aimsurplus has Smith Model 64's (fixed sight, stainless steel) used for about five Franklins.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 07:40 PM (ctrM5)
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But even saying in public that the commie assholes in olympia have never met a tax they didn't like will get me reported on the State AG's (Stasi) hotline.
Heh.
Don't ya just love democrats?
Dickheads.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2025 07:37 PM (W/lyH)
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Sounds like a conspiracy to deprive people of civil rights. DoJ may take a long, painful look very soon.
Heh.
Don't ya just love democrats?
Dickheads.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2025 07:37 PM (W/lyH)
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Sounds like a conspiracy to deprive people of civil rights. DoJ may take a long, painful look very soon.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 07:40 PM (ZOv7s)
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@RI Red, I wish I had words of wisdom for you in your endeavors.
Have you considered trading in the rifle for something which can handle a 150 grain bullet, like, say, 30-06?
Have you considered trading in the rifle for something which can handle a 150 grain bullet, like, say, 30-06?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 26, 2025 07:40 PM (tT6L1)
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Hi Weasel and all. Thanks for the gun thread, and nice write up EdL!
Since we have special dispensation to discuss sportsball, I'll be the guy to finally think of a reply to something in the last thread. It's usually a week later, so this is an improvement lol.
Someone thought the KC QB might be a little light in the loafers. Well, it does tie in with my nickname for him. Mahomo. Ok there I said it.
Since we have special dispensation to discuss sportsball, I'll be the guy to finally think of a reply to something in the last thread. It's usually a week later, so this is an improvement lol.
Someone thought the KC QB might be a little light in the loafers. Well, it does tie in with my nickname for him. Mahomo. Ok there I said it.
Posted by: haffhowershower at January 26, 2025 07:41 PM (NMT5x)
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You are most welcome Ben Had....it was a great idea.
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at January 26, 2025 07:41 PM (IQ6Gq)
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TRex, thank you again for such a beautiful thread.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 07:41 PM (oT+t6)
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Diogenes, they can't tax care packages can they ?
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 07:39 PM (oT+t6)
No.
And that is a great idea! Do commercials like the abused dog commercials.
Get sally struthers to narrate. Won't you help a shooter today who is suffering under the weight of excessive
taxation?
Brilliant!!!
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 07:39 PM (oT+t6)
No.
And that is a great idea! Do commercials like the abused dog commercials.
Get sally struthers to narrate. Won't you help a shooter today who is suffering under the weight of excessive
taxation?
Brilliant!!!
Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2025 07:42 PM (W/lyH)
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65 I know it makes no difference in accuracy or usability but I love blued steel with wood grips. A little sterling engraving is even better.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 07:32 PM (oT+t6)
Like the Colt Detective Special.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 07:32 PM (oT+t6)
Like the Colt Detective Special.
Posted by: Eromero at January 26, 2025 07:42 PM (LHPAg)
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No.
And that is a great idea! Do commercials like the abused dog commercials.
Get sally struthers to narrate. Won't you help a shooter today who is suffering under the weight of excessive
taxation?
Brilliant!!!
Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2025 07:42 PM (W/lyH)
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Is the tax a percentage? If so, free ammo has no tax.
It would be a hoot to nationally source a million rounds to the poor people of Washington.
And that is a great idea! Do commercials like the abused dog commercials.
Get sally struthers to narrate. Won't you help a shooter today who is suffering under the weight of excessive
taxation?
Brilliant!!!
Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2025 07:42 PM (W/lyH)
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Is the tax a percentage? If so, free ammo has no tax.
It would be a hoot to nationally source a million rounds to the poor people of Washington.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 07:43 PM (ZOv7s)
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SCOTUS has taken a pass on their last chance to hear Snopes v Brown for this session. Which means that at least 3 so-called "conservative" Justices were unwilling to take on the issue of whether "assault weapons" are protected under 2A.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2025 07:43 PM (/y8xj)
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Foosball? Foosball is a silly game.
Posted by: Helen Boucher at January 26, 2025 07:43 PM (tT6L1)
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1942 USAAF training video - Flexible Aerial Gunner: Making A World War 2 Bomber Gunner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30dKkk4yaGI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30dKkk4yaGI
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 26, 2025 07:43 PM (9J7i5)
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Seems like the practice in modern sportsball is for the receiver or runner to get up and point to the end zone after a successful play.
Does the Horde get up off the couch and point to the kitchen when they think they've posted something insightful or witty?
Does the Horde get up off the couch and point to the kitchen when they think they've posted something insightful or witty?
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 07:43 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Really? Y'all actually pay attention to me??
Posted by: Doof at January 26, 2025 07:36 PM (RFPHU)
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Would we dare ignore the infamous Disco Doof?
Posted by: Doof at January 26, 2025 07:36 PM (RFPHU)
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Would we dare ignore the infamous Disco Doof?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 26, 2025 07:45 PM (tT6L1)
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One last thing before I sign out for the night. I'm plagued with arthritis from the neck down, and the shoulders have gotten worse as of late. Now, my VA clinic has a chiropractor and an accupuncturist on staff, and the MDs and ODs aren't shy about referring. I go to see the chiropractor and complain about the shoulders."Give me an example". Shooting a rifle. "Show me". "Ahh, you were in the Corps. Elevated right elbow, left elbow on line with the rifle". He said he had encountered this before. "Try like you are shooting a shotgun". Point, shoot, elbows down, no pain. Found out the doc was in the Corps.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 26, 2025 07:45 PM (gm9Sb)
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86 TRex, thank you again for such a beautiful thread.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 07:41 PM
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Thank YOU and thanks to the Horde for participating and sending submissions.
If others don't know what we're talking about, check out the Hobby Thread from yesterday.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 07:41 PM
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Thank YOU and thanks to the Horde for participating and sending submissions.
If others don't know what we're talking about, check out the Hobby Thread from yesterday.
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 07:45 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I like Kronos
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 26, 2025 07:45 PM (63Dwl)
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Evening RI Red, RMBS and others!!
No range report from me. This cold weather has made me just hunker down in the apartment most of the time.
I was looking forward to escaping this weather when I retire, but when Florida is experiencing snow it gives me the sads. None the less, if everything goes well financially and physically I will bid adieu to the Peoples Republic of NYS and NYC in late 2027.
And when I get to my new home I will be sure to purchase a couple of new pew pews!!! And also get a couple of supressors too!!
No range report from me. This cold weather has made me just hunker down in the apartment most of the time.
I was looking forward to escaping this weather when I retire, but when Florida is experiencing snow it gives me the sads. None the less, if everything goes well financially and physically I will bid adieu to the Peoples Republic of NYS and NYC in late 2027.
And when I get to my new home I will be sure to purchase a couple of new pew pews!!! And also get a couple of supressors too!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 26, 2025 07:45 PM (0XVad)
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Does the Horde get up off the couch and point to the kitchen when they think they've posted something insightful or witty?
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 07:43 PM (IQ6Gq)
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We wait for the thumbs up button to be mashed.
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 07:43 PM (IQ6Gq)
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We wait for the thumbs up button to be mashed.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 26, 2025 07:46 PM (tT6L1)
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TRex. nope. I slap my chest and extend my arm out at an angle
.
.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 07:46 PM (oT+t6)
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Does the Horde get up off the couch and point to the kitchen when they think they've posted something insightful or witty?
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 07:43 PM (IQ6Gq)
*shifty eyes
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 07:43 PM (IQ6Gq)
*shifty eyes
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at January 26, 2025 07:46 PM (OX9vb)
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I'm sure part of it is the midwinter ennui brought about by prohibitively cold weather.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
Try looking at pawnshops and LGS. The smart pawnshops rely on product turnover at little over cost because they make their money lending, not selling. The LGS's and gunsmiths often have the used firearms priced higher but any reputable one takes back a firearm that is not working.
Pawnshops rarely do that and some folks dump them at pawnshops because there is something (sometimes minor, sometimes major) wrong with them. Gotta know how one should operate mechanically and handle it (including dry firing for guns that it will not hurt to fire).
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
Try looking at pawnshops and LGS. The smart pawnshops rely on product turnover at little over cost because they make their money lending, not selling. The LGS's and gunsmiths often have the used firearms priced higher but any reputable one takes back a firearm that is not working.
Pawnshops rarely do that and some folks dump them at pawnshops because there is something (sometimes minor, sometimes major) wrong with them. Gotta know how one should operate mechanically and handle it (including dry firing for guns that it will not hurt to fire).
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 07:46 PM (ctrM5)
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@bill in arkansas, that's a great story.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 26, 2025 07:47 PM (tT6L1)
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Evening all.
No shooting this week.
Glock decided to manufacture the G48 with that builtin aimpoint right after I bought mine and put the expensive Holosun on it. The price is pretty comparable but it sounds like this new product is sweet. Thing is, I shoot the old G48 with th iron sight just as well as with the new one with the Holosun so would be hard to justify buying yet another one.
But I'm an 'Ette so.....
No shooting this week.
Glock decided to manufacture the G48 with that builtin aimpoint right after I bought mine and put the expensive Holosun on it. The price is pretty comparable but it sounds like this new product is sweet. Thing is, I shoot the old G48 with th iron sight just as well as with the new one with the Holosun so would be hard to justify buying yet another one.
But I'm an 'Ette so.....
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 26, 2025 07:47 PM (t/2Uw)
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Please recommend a way my grandson can safely keep a couple long guns in the college apartment he'll be in starting this summer. His campus is 8 miles from a nice state outdoor range for archery handguns and rifles ot to 200 yards. If he accepts, I'll be gifting him a deer rifle and a nice 22
Posted by: M. Gaga at January 26, 2025 07:49 PM (KiBMU)
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Seems like the practice in modern sportsball is for the receiver or runner to get up and point to the end zone after a successful play.
Does the Horde get up off the couch and point to the kitchen when they think they've posted something insightful or witty?
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 07:43 PM (IQ6Gq)
After a particularly successful #2, I like to spike the roll.
Does the Horde get up off the couch and point to the kitchen when they think they've posted something insightful or witty?
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 07:43 PM (IQ6Gq)
After a particularly successful #2, I like to spike the roll.
Posted by: haffhowershower at January 26, 2025 07:50 PM (NMT5x)
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Like the Colt Detective Special.
Posted by: Eromero at January 26, 2025 07:42 PM (LHPAg)
The Colt Python is available in 4.25 inch and 6 inch barrel lengths with a blue steel finish and wood grips. $1,599 MSRP. If you don't like the new wood grips, you can swap them out with a set of the old school target grips from yesteryear.
Posted by: Eromero at January 26, 2025 07:42 PM (LHPAg)
The Colt Python is available in 4.25 inch and 6 inch barrel lengths with a blue steel finish and wood grips. $1,599 MSRP. If you don't like the new wood grips, you can swap them out with a set of the old school target grips from yesteryear.
Posted by: Ed L at January 26, 2025 07:50 PM (AiJK3)
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Hi weasel!
Thanks for the thread!
Range report:
Focused on both eyes open, front sight. Went side to side on the target, left right left rightx10 rounds.
Did better than I expected! Sometimes my eyeballs let me shoot with both eyes open, sometimes they do not.
The best part of the outing was standing in the parking lot chatting with MAE and LazyMessenger. So much happiness. Smiles. Hugs (yes, they are learning) and laughter.
What a great week.
Thanks for the thread!
Range report:
Focused on both eyes open, front sight. Went side to side on the target, left right left rightx10 rounds.
Did better than I expected! Sometimes my eyeballs let me shoot with both eyes open, sometimes they do not.
The best part of the outing was standing in the parking lot chatting with MAE and LazyMessenger. So much happiness. Smiles. Hugs (yes, they are learning) and laughter.
What a great week.
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 26, 2025 07:50 PM (mT+6a)
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Like the Colt Detective Special.
Posted by: Eromero
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Old Western Scrounger did have quite a few of those DS specials, I think as did Centerfire Systems in KY. I think most of these came from sources abroad that have finally converted to modern semi-autos. From the email fliers I get from a variety of big wholesalers, it seems that a lot of police and military surplus handguns seem to be imported lately from Latin America and from S. Europe. AimSurplus, for example, has been getting in Beretta Cheetahs from the 80's in .380 ACP.
Posted by: Eromero
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Old Western Scrounger did have quite a few of those DS specials, I think as did Centerfire Systems in KY. I think most of these came from sources abroad that have finally converted to modern semi-autos. From the email fliers I get from a variety of big wholesalers, it seems that a lot of police and military surplus handguns seem to be imported lately from Latin America and from S. Europe. AimSurplus, for example, has been getting in Beretta Cheetahs from the 80's in .380 ACP.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 07:51 PM (ctrM5)
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93 Seems like the practice in modern sportsball is for the receiver or runner to get up and point to the end zone after a successful play.
Does the Horde get up off the couch and point to the kitchen when they think they've posted something insightful or witty?
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 07:43 PM (IQ6Gq)
What would Tom Landry do? Put their ass on the bench.
Does the Horde get up off the couch and point to the kitchen when they think they've posted something insightful or witty?
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 07:43 PM (IQ6Gq)
What would Tom Landry do? Put their ass on the bench.
Posted by: Eromero at January 26, 2025 07:52 PM (LHPAg)
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TRex. nope. I slap my chest and extend my arm out at an angle
.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 07:46 PM
*points in the manner of Donald Sutherland*
South African!!!!!!
.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 07:46 PM
*points in the manner of Donald Sutherland*
South African!!!!!!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2025 07:52 PM (Wnv9h)
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Please recommend a way my grandson can safely keep a couple long guns in the college apartment he'll be in starting this summer. His campus is 8 miles from a nice state outdoor range for archery handguns and rifles ot to 200 yards. If he accepts, I'll be gifting him a deer rifle and a nice 22
Posted by: M. Gaga at January 26, 2025 07:49 PM (KiBMU)
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There are light duty gun lockers available. Also, if he's by himself, maybe change the door handle on a closet to one that has to be opened with a key? I did it in our old house before I got my gun safe.
Posted by: M. Gaga at January 26, 2025 07:49 PM (KiBMU)
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There are light duty gun lockers available. Also, if he's by himself, maybe change the door handle on a closet to one that has to be opened with a key? I did it in our old house before I got my gun safe.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 26, 2025 07:52 PM (tT6L1)
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Good evening, Horde. Thanks Weasel for the gub thread.
Posted by: scampydog at January 26, 2025 07:53 PM (41CYW)
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90 SCOTUS has taken a pass on their last chance to hear Snopes v Brown for this session. Which means that at least 3 so-called "conservative" Justices were unwilling to take on the issue of whether "assault weapons" are protected under 2A.
Posted by: Oddbob
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I would not trust ACB or Roberts but Kavanaugh seems to be less squishy about the 2A than a lot of other areas.
Posted by: Oddbob
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I would not trust ACB or Roberts but Kavanaugh seems to be less squishy about the 2A than a lot of other areas.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 07:54 PM (ctrM5)
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@nurse, sounds like a great time. The practice sounds excellent also.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 26, 2025 07:54 PM (tT6L1)
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Please recommend a way my grandson can safely keep a couple long guns in the college apartment he'll be in starting this summer. His campus is 8 miles from a nice state outdoor range for archery handguns and rifles ot to 200 yards. If he accepts, I'll be gifting him a deer rifle and a nice 22
Posted by: M. Gaga at January 26, 2025 07:49 PM (KiBMU)
I don't have first hand experience, but I backup the recommendation to get some kind of metal gun locker.
But first check the school's rules to make sure he's allowed. In this day and age, someone will drop a dime on him so it would be hard to keep it on the down low.
Posted by: M. Gaga at January 26, 2025 07:49 PM (KiBMU)
I don't have first hand experience, but I backup the recommendation to get some kind of metal gun locker.
But first check the school's rules to make sure he's allowed. In this day and age, someone will drop a dime on him so it would be hard to keep it on the down low.
Posted by: haffhowershower at January 26, 2025 07:56 PM (NMT5x)
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AI ads like the ones we get in these threads are bizarre. The fake big-titty broads who billionaires don't want us to know about are weird enough.
But the fake shower stall in a fake warehouse with a fake tuxedo-clad elderly midget who casts no shadow standing it is truly surreal.
Be better, AI.
But the fake shower stall in a fake warehouse with a fake tuxedo-clad elderly midget who casts no shadow standing it is truly surreal.
Be better, AI.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 26, 2025 07:56 PM (BI5O2)
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Please recommend a way my grandson can safely keep a couple long guns in the college apartment he'll be in starting this summer. His campus is 8 miles from a nice state outdoor range for archery handguns and rifles ot to 200 yards. If he accepts, I'll be gifting him a deer rifle and a nice 22
Posted by: M. Gaga at January 26, 2025 07:49 PM (KiBMU)
Fort Knox (safe company) offers a shotgun sized lock box that measures 45 inches long by 9.5 inches wide by 5 inches tall. It weighs 54 pounds.
Posted by: M. Gaga at January 26, 2025 07:49 PM (KiBMU)
Fort Knox (safe company) offers a shotgun sized lock box that measures 45 inches long by 9.5 inches wide by 5 inches tall. It weighs 54 pounds.
Posted by: Ed L at January 26, 2025 07:57 PM (AiJK3)
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Ammo and brass supply eased up yet on 41 Magnum? Had a chance in 2008 to get into that cartridge with a Marlin lever action and a N Frame S&W revolver. Passed on it to my regret as both were sweet--the Marlin was new and the N Frame had been well cared for.
Bit too late for me to consider such now.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 07:18 PM
I'll buy any .41 I find on the shelf locally, which has equaled a princely 20 round box in 7 or 8 years. Starline has only not had .41M brass once, although at this point I probably have a lifetime supply. Powders are coming back (albeit at $$ I look askance at). Jacketed bullets, depending on brand, can be a bit problematic.
I scored a NIB .41 Marlin at a used price in the mid-90s. It lost its N status that week. Marlin reissued it before they bankrupted; Henry has one as well.
Bit too late for me to consider such now.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 07:18 PM
I'll buy any .41 I find on the shelf locally, which has equaled a princely 20 round box in 7 or 8 years. Starline has only not had .41M brass once, although at this point I probably have a lifetime supply. Powders are coming back (albeit at $$ I look askance at). Jacketed bullets, depending on brand, can be a bit problematic.
I scored a NIB .41 Marlin at a used price in the mid-90s. It lost its N status that week. Marlin reissued it before they bankrupted; Henry has one as well.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 07:57 PM (a3Q+t)
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"Try like you are shooting a shotgun". Point, shoot, elbows down, no pain. Found out the doc was in the Corps.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 26, 2025 07:45 PM (gm9Sb)
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Very cool. I had something like that in discussing the contracture in my shooting hand with a hand surgeon, who was very much interested in posture, caliber, grips.
Always nice to find someone in the medical field who truly understands your needs.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 26, 2025 07:45 PM (gm9Sb)
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Very cool. I had something like that in discussing the contracture in my shooting hand with a hand surgeon, who was very much interested in posture, caliber, grips.
Always nice to find someone in the medical field who truly understands your needs.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 07:57 PM (ZOv7s)
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112 The best gun safe is an old water heater, gutted and lined with carpet. Have a hole for access and place it in a corner of the basement or where ever with dummy pipes.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 26, 2025 07:57 PM (gm9Sb)
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The Gun Thread is genteel. I can only imagine the comments on the Art Thread had CBD posted this.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 07:58 PM (a3Q+t)
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If he accepts, I'll be gifting him a deer rifle and a nice 22
Posted by: M. Gaga
Do you want to hide and secure it or simply comply with minimal storage requirements that someone could take a prybar and get into it in seconds.
Consider mebbe something that looks and acts like furniture that hides firearms like benches with a secret locking compartment under the seat. Not even hard to make if you are handy with wood working ( a double box with legs (or feet even if you want it to be deep).
There are also hidden floating shelf kits but those can be pricey and have limitations on loads) plus apartment issues with mgmt approval.
Posted by: M. Gaga
Do you want to hide and secure it or simply comply with minimal storage requirements that someone could take a prybar and get into it in seconds.
Consider mebbe something that looks and acts like furniture that hides firearms like benches with a secret locking compartment under the seat. Not even hard to make if you are handy with wood working ( a double box with legs (or feet even if you want it to be deep).
There are also hidden floating shelf kits but those can be pricey and have limitations on loads) plus apartment issues with mgmt approval.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 07:59 PM (ctrM5)
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I would not trust ACB or Roberts but Kavanaugh seems to be less squishy about the 2A than a lot of other areas.
Thing is, if they did take the case, I'm moderately sure that Barrett and Kav would have voted the right way since it's the only answer that is logically consistent with Heller and Bruen. But noooooo, they'd rather duck the issue for at least another year. And thatdisappoints me pisses me off.
Thing is, if they did take the case, I'm moderately sure that Barrett and Kav would have voted the right way since it's the only answer that is logically consistent with Heller and Bruen. But noooooo, they'd rather duck the issue for at least another year. And that
Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2025 08:00 PM (/y8xj)
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Can't even imagine a Cultural Marxist Seminary permitting a blow gun yet alone a firearm. But if one of the few that aren't ask first.
Posted by: Skip at January 26, 2025 08:00 PM (fwDg9)
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There are light duty gun lockers available. Also, if he's by himself, maybe change the door handle on a closet to one that has to be opened with a key? I did it in our old house before I got my gun safe.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 26, 2025 07:52 PM (tT6L1)
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A good anti-theft strategy is concealment, a footlocker in a closet or something like that can be effective, especially if one piles coats and such on top of it.
Local regulations are paramount, and renters' insurance should include them in the policy.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 26, 2025 07:52 PM (tT6L1)
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A good anti-theft strategy is concealment, a footlocker in a closet or something like that can be effective, especially if one piles coats and such on top of it.
Local regulations are paramount, and renters' insurance should include them in the policy.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 08:01 PM (ZOv7s)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 26, 2025 08:02 PM (LkLld)
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I'll buy any .41 I find on the shelf locally, which has equaled a princely 20 round box in 7 or 8 years. Starline has only not had .41M brass once, although at this point I probably have a lifetime supply. Powders are coming back (albeit at $$ I look askance at). Jacketed bullets, depending on brand, can be a bit problematic.
I scored a NIB .41 Marlin at a used price in the mid-90s. It lost its N status that week. Marlin reissued it before they bankrupted; Henry has one as well.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Glad you have what you got. The 41 Magnum is a cartridge for those that have discerning tastes.
I scored a NIB .41 Marlin at a used price in the mid-90s. It lost its N status that week. Marlin reissued it before they bankrupted; Henry has one as well.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Glad you have what you got. The 41 Magnum is a cartridge for those that have discerning tastes.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:02 PM (ctrM5)
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Looking at a S&W Model 17 revolver.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 08:02 PM (oT+t6)
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It would be a hoot to nationally source a million rounds to the poor people of Washington.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 07:43 PM (ZOv7s)
That would be epic. And the gun stores on the Idaho border will be doing a booming business.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 07:43 PM (ZOv7s)
That would be epic. And the gun stores on the Idaho border will be doing a booming business.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2025 08:03 PM (W/lyH)
Posted by: Black Orchid at January 26, 2025 08:03 PM (Pv3Rg)
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That would be epic. And the gun stores on the Idaho border will be doing a booming business.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2025 08:03 PM (W/lyH)
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I mean, I think a bunch of at the Horde could muster 100 rounds of 9mm or something and just create a massive pile of ammo for needy Washingtonians.
Kid Rock could host a benefit concert with Ted Nugent.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2025 08:03 PM (W/lyH)
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I mean, I think a bunch of at the Horde could muster 100 rounds of 9mm or something and just create a massive pile of ammo for needy Washingtonians.
Kid Rock could host a benefit concert with Ted Nugent.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 08:05 PM (ZOv7s)
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129 Looking at a S&W Model 17 revolver.
Posted by: Ben Had
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Hope you get it. Smith's Target K frames revolvers in 22 LR are known for accuracy.
Posted by: Ben Had
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Hope you get it. Smith's Target K frames revolvers in 22 LR are known for accuracy.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:05 PM (ctrM5)
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Looking at a S&W Model 17 revolver.
Another one on my (too long) list. It's a classic design. I had to force myself to pass on a current production 17-9 a couple of months ago because I'm trying really hard to pay down the credit cards by the end of this year.
Another one on my (too long) list. It's a classic design. I had to force myself to pass on a current production 17-9 a couple of months ago because I'm trying really hard to pay down the credit cards by the end of this year.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2025 08:05 PM (/y8xj)
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Be like Scrooge McDuck and swim in all that lovely ammo.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 26, 2025 08:06 PM (9J7i5)
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Glad you have what you got. The 41 Magnum is a cartridge for those that have discerning tastes.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:02 PM (ctrM5)
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And scorch-marks on their pocket liners caused by the spontaneous combustion of huge wads of cash.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:02 PM (ctrM5)
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And scorch-marks on their pocket liners caused by the spontaneous combustion of huge wads of cash.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 08:06 PM (ZOv7s)
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Not an endorsement but a store I've used carries the...
Hornady SnapSafe Under Bed Safe - Large 40”x22”x6”
There's an XXL too:
48 inches wide
7 inches high
24 inches deep
Weight 150 lb
Hornady SnapSafe Under Bed Safe - Large 40”x22”x6”
There's an XXL too:
48 inches wide
7 inches high
24 inches deep
Weight 150 lb
Posted by: andycanuck (5LoD7) at January 26, 2025 08:08 PM (5LoD7)
Posted by: RI Red at January 26, 2025 08:09 PM (mMtti)
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And scorch-marks on their pocket liners caused by the spontaneous combustion of huge wads of cash.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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Discerning gentlemen hit what they aim for and use enough power to take down what they hit.
Similar to shooting old 32's. In that case, you better hit what you aim at with excellent shot placement because the power is not there.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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Discerning gentlemen hit what they aim for and use enough power to take down what they hit.
Similar to shooting old 32's. In that case, you better hit what you aim at with excellent shot placement because the power is not there.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:09 PM (ctrM5)
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I was able to pin the FSB on my T65. Investigating the alignment issue online I learned an interesting tip: a section from a standard GI steel cleaning rod has the same thread as the front sight on the M16 so I could screw one in to stick straight up for a better eyeball alignment. Hopefully I will get out to the range this week and see how well I did and how much windage is required to zero.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 26, 2025 08:10 PM (2D+TA)
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Oddbob, please email me and let me know how the things we talked about stand. I pray for your family everyday.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 08:10 PM (oT+t6)
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Hornady SnapSafe Under Bed Safe - Large 40”x22”x6”
There's an XXL too:
48 inches wide
7 inches high
24 inches deep
Weight 150 lb
Posted by: andycanuck
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Those are RSC and pretty decent. I think StackOn has a cloned competitor of that design sold at places like Amazon. Pretty sure it does not have as heavy gauge steel as the one you are mentioning.
There's an XXL too:
48 inches wide
7 inches high
24 inches deep
Weight 150 lb
Posted by: andycanuck
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Those are RSC and pretty decent. I think StackOn has a cloned competitor of that design sold at places like Amazon. Pretty sure it does not have as heavy gauge steel as the one you are mentioning.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:11 PM (ctrM5)
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Similar to shooting old 32's. In that case, you better hit what you aim at with excellent shot placement because the power is not there.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:09 PM (ctrM5)
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Show me the caliber that possess enough power to overcome poor shot placement.
I get people like .41 Magnum. I'm a .32 Magnum partisan. The issue with .41 Magnum is the price and that you can get about the same recoil reduction by shooting mild .44 Mag loads for a fraction of the price on both ends - platform and ammo.
But I'm sure they are fun to shoot.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:09 PM (ctrM5)
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Show me the caliber that possess enough power to overcome poor shot placement.
I get people like .41 Magnum. I'm a .32 Magnum partisan. The issue with .41 Magnum is the price and that you can get about the same recoil reduction by shooting mild .44 Mag loads for a fraction of the price on both ends - platform and ammo.
But I'm sure they are fun to shoot.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 08:12 PM (ZOv7s)
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Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a special dagnabit-there-are-only-two-football-games-left greeting to our genial host Weasel.
Ed L., thanks for the extensive review of the B&T Hush Puppy. Added to my when-I-win-the-lottery bucket list.
Ed L., thanks for the extensive review of the B&T Hush Puppy. Added to my when-I-win-the-lottery bucket list.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 08:12 PM (v23vE)
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Ben Had, I will put that on my to-do list for tomorrow. Thank you for your prayers.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2025 08:12 PM (/y8xj)
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 26, 2025 08:13 PM (mT+6a)
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Oh, and nice shootin' with the Hush Puppy, Sharon and Iris!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 08:14 PM (v23vE)
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For only $19 a month, or 63 cents a day, you too can support the ammo-deprived shooters of Washington state.
Call now and we'll send you this adoahble target silhouette, in the shape of your favorite anti gunner.
Call now and we'll send you this adoahble target silhouette, in the shape of your favorite anti gunner.
Posted by: haffhowershower at January 26, 2025 08:14 PM (NMT5x)
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I have had one impossible shot in my life. Shot a 200 lb pig in the heart at 30 yards. He ran half way down the pasture before he died but die he did.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 08:15 PM (oT+t6)
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Good evening gub threaders and all the ships at sea!
Readjusting to East Coast time from Hawaii Time.
For now, I have decided that going without Mai Tais is the best for adjustment
Readjusting to East Coast time from Hawaii Time.
For now, I have decided that going without Mai Tais is the best for adjustment
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 08:15 PM (QfvaV)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 26, 2025 08:16 PM (tT6L1)
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Oops, forgot. Shot him with a 22LR shell.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 08:16 PM (oT+t6)
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As of last evening, sun setting after 5!
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 26, 2025 08:13 PM
*le sigh*
Still 4:50 here. Ten more days!
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 26, 2025 08:13 PM
*le sigh*
Still 4:50 here. Ten more days!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2025 08:16 PM (Wnv9h)
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Bills REVENGE!!!
Posted by: andycanuck (5LoD7) at January 26, 2025 08:18 PM (5LoD7)
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For only $19 a month, or 63 cents a day, you too can support the ammo-deprived shooters of Washington state.
Call now and we'll send you this adoahble target silhouette, in the shape of your favorite anti gunner.
Posted by: haffhowershower at January 26, 2025 08:14 PM (NMT5x)
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And a "cold dead hands" decorative tote bag.
Call now and we'll send you this adoahble target silhouette, in the shape of your favorite anti gunner.
Posted by: haffhowershower at January 26, 2025 08:14 PM (NMT5x)
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And a "cold dead hands" decorative tote bag.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 08:18 PM (ZOv7s)
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at January 26, 2025 08:18 PM (sAmhv)
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Similar to shooting old 32's. In that case, you better hit what you aim at with excellent shot placement because the power is not there.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:09 PM (ctrM5)
Whig, any thoughts about modern defensive ammo in .32 ACP? Back in the day, most .32's wouldn't feed anything except FMJ. Does .32 ACP have enough velocity to make modern hollow points in this caliber effective?
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:09 PM (ctrM5)
Whig, any thoughts about modern defensive ammo in .32 ACP? Back in the day, most .32's wouldn't feed anything except FMJ. Does .32 ACP have enough velocity to make modern hollow points in this caliber effective?
Posted by: Ed L at January 26, 2025 08:18 PM (AiJK3)
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Bills REVENGE!!!
Posted by: andycanuck (5LoD7) at January 26, 2025 08:18 PM
Didn't they kill that guy?
Posted by: andycanuck (5LoD7) at January 26, 2025 08:18 PM
Didn't they kill that guy?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2025 08:19 PM (Wnv9h)
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If I knew Ed was going to show our work, I would have taken more time. lol
One of hte best parts of our get togethers is getting to try different guns. I spend the bulk of time working on Fundamentals! but it does break up the session to switch around and try something different. We are not time limited at the range but it can get tiring just standing there.
One of hte best parts of our get togethers is getting to try different guns. I spend the bulk of time working on Fundamentals! but it does break up the session to switch around and try something different. We are not time limited at the range but it can get tiring just standing there.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 26, 2025 08:19 PM (t/2Uw)
Posted by: andycanuck (5LoD7) at January 26, 2025 08:20 PM (5LoD7)
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Thing is, I shoot the old G48 with th iron sight just as well as with the new one with the Holosun so would be hard to justify buying yet another one.
But I'm an 'Ette so.....
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 26, 2025 07:47 PM (t/2Uw)
Only one way to know for sure....
But I'm an 'Ette so.....
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 26, 2025 07:47 PM (t/2Uw)
Only one way to know for sure....
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 08:21 PM (QfvaV)
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Readjusting to East Coast time from Hawaii Time.
For now, I have decided that going without Mai Tais is the best for adjustment
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 08:15 PM (QfvaV)
Flying back east always sucks, especially from Hawaii.
For now, I have decided that going without Mai Tais is the best for adjustment
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 08:15 PM (QfvaV)
Flying back east always sucks, especially from Hawaii.
Posted by: Ed L at January 26, 2025 08:21 PM (AiJK3)
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I would only use FMJ .32. The hollow points don't open up.
The strength of .32 is its mild recoil (and accuracy) as well as decent penetration due to its small cross-section.
The strength of .32 is its mild recoil (and accuracy) as well as decent penetration due to its small cross-section.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 08:23 PM (ZOv7s)
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Hawaii has no reciprocity with anyone. But they are not without guns. I saw the Kauai Firearms store. And I have seen they have a place you can shoot machine guns in Waikiki.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 08:23 PM (QfvaV)
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Show me the caliber that possess enough power to overcome poor shot placement.
I get people like .41 Magnum. I'm a .32 Magnum partisan. The issue with .41 Magnum is the price and that you can get about the same recoil reduction by shooting mild .44 Mag loads for a fraction of the price on both ends - platform and ammo.
But I'm sure they are fun to shoot.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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To stop a fight you either have to have a CNS hit (central nervous system aka brain shot or spine) or poke a big hole that causes someone to bleed out. In most cases, that means an expanding bullet that penetrates to something like 10-14 inches and expands to well over .50 inches in diameter.
Leaving aside the H&R 32 or the older 32-20 on which it was based upon, something like a 32 S&W Long or a 32 ACP does not move fast enough to expand so that means wadcutters for the revolver and fmj for the 32 ACP to achieve penetration to hit the necessary CNS (spine and a bony skull).
A 32 H&R Magnum would have enough velocity to resemble a 38 Special if a soft lead or a hi tech bullet was used to achieve some expansion. 32-20 is difficult enough to get brass, let along self defense ammo
I get people like .41 Magnum. I'm a .32 Magnum partisan. The issue with .41 Magnum is the price and that you can get about the same recoil reduction by shooting mild .44 Mag loads for a fraction of the price on both ends - platform and ammo.
But I'm sure they are fun to shoot.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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To stop a fight you either have to have a CNS hit (central nervous system aka brain shot or spine) or poke a big hole that causes someone to bleed out. In most cases, that means an expanding bullet that penetrates to something like 10-14 inches and expands to well over .50 inches in diameter.
Leaving aside the H&R 32 or the older 32-20 on which it was based upon, something like a 32 S&W Long or a 32 ACP does not move fast enough to expand so that means wadcutters for the revolver and fmj for the 32 ACP to achieve penetration to hit the necessary CNS (spine and a bony skull).
A 32 H&R Magnum would have enough velocity to resemble a 38 Special if a soft lead or a hi tech bullet was used to achieve some expansion. 32-20 is difficult enough to get brass, let along self defense ammo
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:23 PM (ctrM5)
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156 Guess I'm an outlier. I'm watching a replay of the 24 Hours of Daytona.
(Shrugs)
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at January 26, 2025 08:18 PM (sAmhv
Good choice.
(Shrugs)
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at January 26, 2025 08:18 PM (sAmhv
Good choice.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 26, 2025 08:24 PM (rJ7Hd)
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Flying back east always sucks, especially from Hawaii.
Posted by: Ed L at January 26, 2025 08:21 PM (AiJK3)
We managed to miss all the single digit temps. It was 11 when we landed.
Posted by: Ed L at January 26, 2025 08:21 PM (AiJK3)
We managed to miss all the single digit temps. It was 11 when we landed.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 08:24 PM (QfvaV)
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Well gang. I'd of had a great cigar review this week but the last couple of times I've reached into the humidor of surprises, I've pulled ones I've written about already. the last was a Montecristo platinum series. An excellent cigar.
I promise to search diligently for next week.
Posted by: Diogenes
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Heading to the Dominican Republic sometime in March/April. Starting reading a bit about the DR cigars, but would welcome any recommendations.
I promise to search diligently for next week.
Posted by: Diogenes
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Heading to the Dominican Republic sometime in March/April. Starting reading a bit about the DR cigars, but would welcome any recommendations.
Posted by: scampydog at January 26, 2025 08:25 PM (41CYW)
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156 Guess I'm an outlier. I'm watching a replay of the 24 Hours of Daytona.
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at January 26, 2025 08:18 PM
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Not an outlier. Watched it live. Won't ruin it for you but I enjoyed it this year.
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at January 26, 2025 08:18 PM
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Not an outlier. Watched it live. Won't ruin it for you but I enjoyed it this year.
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 08:26 PM (IQ6Gq)
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PSA has been doing the forward mounted sights on optics ready gubs for a while with their Daggers. I forget what they call it. But it does make sense especially to make the sights useful when the dot is out.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 08:26 PM (QfvaV)
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No range time but another deer hanging off the bucket of the tractor awaiting a trip to the butcher. .44 magnum at about 50 yards.
Thanks again Weasel and Happy Gun Thread to the GunHorde
Thanks again Weasel and Happy Gun Thread to the GunHorde
Posted by: Coelacanth at January 26, 2025 08:27 PM (haMMW)
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The issue with .41 Magnum is the price and that you can get about the same recoil reduction by shooting mild .44 Mag loads for a fraction of the price on both ends - platform and ammo.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 08:12 PM
The .41M has about 20% less recoil than a .44M, and is flatter-shooting, and that recoil can be proportionally-reduced with milder loads, as well. Expense-wise, quality M29/629s seem to run about the same as M57/657s. I don't pay as much attention to Ruger Black/Redhawks. Contender .41M barrels are expensive. I haven't seen a Dan Wesson for sale for so long I have no idea.
My personal knock on S&W .41Ms is the barrel twist. It's not fast enough for heavy-for-caliber bullets, and that is the area the .44M excels in. Of course with .454 Casull, .460 S&W, etc. available, h-f-c in .44M isn't filling the niche it once did.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 08:12 PM
The .41M has about 20% less recoil than a .44M, and is flatter-shooting, and that recoil can be proportionally-reduced with milder loads, as well. Expense-wise, quality M29/629s seem to run about the same as M57/657s. I don't pay as much attention to Ruger Black/Redhawks. Contender .41M barrels are expensive. I haven't seen a Dan Wesson for sale for so long I have no idea.
My personal knock on S&W .41Ms is the barrel twist. It's not fast enough for heavy-for-caliber bullets, and that is the area the .44M excels in. Of course with .454 Casull, .460 S&W, etc. available, h-f-c in .44M isn't filling the niche it once did.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 08:28 PM (a3Q+t)
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167 We managed to miss all the single digit temps. It was 11 when we landed.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 08:24 PM
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Welcome home.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 08:24 PM
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Welcome home.
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 08:29 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Diogenes, DBCooper once sent some box pressed cigars for the MoMe. Oh my, they were like a good dessert
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 08:29 PM (oT+t6)
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Recall hearing about a guy dry firing a Glock. The whole bolt face broke.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle for festive little hats at January 26, 2025 08:29 PM (0yjq6)
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Whig, any thoughts about modern defensive ammo in .32 ACP? Back in the day, most .32's wouldn't feed anything except FMJ. Does .32 ACP have enough velocity to make modern hollow points in this caliber effective?
Posted by: Ed L
I would think something like a Honey Badger solid copper bullet (looks like a twisted phillips screwdriver tip) at about 60 grains might get high enough to get good penetration. The reason I don't care for a 32 ACP as a defense round is that you can sometimes get rimlock as the cartridge is semi rimmed (rim is slightly larger than the case body). A revolver in 32 S&W Long or a 32-20 using hard cast wadcutters might be a better bet--higher velocity and penetration with no feeding issues. Heavier bullet too. That is where the 32 H&R Magnum shines--has enough velocity (about like the older 32-20) to expand a bullet and decent penetration using a decently heavy bullet. It is a revolver too so it will take better feeding ammo with better terminal effects than a rounded ogive FMJ 32 ACP. 32 Magnum is beyond this discussion but would probably be decent and comparable just as the newer 30 Carry was/is along with the 30 Mauser and Tokarev variants.
Posted by: Ed L
I would think something like a Honey Badger solid copper bullet (looks like a twisted phillips screwdriver tip) at about 60 grains might get high enough to get good penetration. The reason I don't care for a 32 ACP as a defense round is that you can sometimes get rimlock as the cartridge is semi rimmed (rim is slightly larger than the case body). A revolver in 32 S&W Long or a 32-20 using hard cast wadcutters might be a better bet--higher velocity and penetration with no feeding issues. Heavier bullet too. That is where the 32 H&R Magnum shines--has enough velocity (about like the older 32-20) to expand a bullet and decent penetration using a decently heavy bullet. It is a revolver too so it will take better feeding ammo with better terminal effects than a rounded ogive FMJ 32 ACP. 32 Magnum is beyond this discussion but would probably be decent and comparable just as the newer 30 Carry was/is along with the 30 Mauser and Tokarev variants.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:30 PM (ctrM5)
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175 Recall hearing about a guy dry firing a Glock. The whole bolt face broke.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism
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Must have already had issues--probably brittle steel inappropriately heat treated or perhaps a gun where someone was firing very hot rounds previously.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism
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Must have already had issues--probably brittle steel inappropriately heat treated or perhaps a gun where someone was firing very hot rounds previously.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:31 PM (ctrM5)
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Thanks, TRex. My work schedule interferes with watching the majority of the race, so in content myself with the replay via Peacock.
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at January 26, 2025 08:31 PM (sAmhv)
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Contender .41M barrels are expensive.
All Contender barrels are expensive and darned if I know why. I got a good deal on a G2 and was kind of stunned once I started looking for barrels. I got a .17HMR barrel but including shipping, I could have just bought a new Savage rifle for the same $$.
All Contender barrels are expensive and darned if I know why. I got a good deal on a G2 and was kind of stunned once I started looking for barrels. I got a .17HMR barrel but including shipping, I could have just bought a new Savage rifle for the same $$.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2025 08:31 PM (/y8xj)
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To stop a fight you either have to have a CNS hit (central nervous system aka brain shot or spine) or poke a big hole that causes someone to bleed out.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:23 PM (ctrM5)
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Just a minor quibble here - much of the discussion around self defense is driving by police or military types who are trying to defeat their opponent. They are engaging an active opponent with a view to subjugating them to their will.
Civilians are seeking only to break contact. A kill is not necessary to do this and the data on actual shooting simply isn't granular enough to decisively declare which calibers are 100% effective, in part because calibers overlap. To my knowledge, there is no sorting within bore diameters, so all .32s are in the same bucket as are the .38s, etc.
That being said, I would not bother with .32 ACP hollow point because you will pay extra money for something that likely adds nothing of value to the fight.
To put it another way, if .32 ACP is what feels good to you, and you can build a nice tight group with it while struggling with 9mm or .380, than that is the round for you.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:23 PM (ctrM5)
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Just a minor quibble here - much of the discussion around self defense is driving by police or military types who are trying to defeat their opponent. They are engaging an active opponent with a view to subjugating them to their will.
Civilians are seeking only to break contact. A kill is not necessary to do this and the data on actual shooting simply isn't granular enough to decisively declare which calibers are 100% effective, in part because calibers overlap. To my knowledge, there is no sorting within bore diameters, so all .32s are in the same bucket as are the .38s, etc.
That being said, I would not bother with .32 ACP hollow point because you will pay extra money for something that likely adds nothing of value to the fight.
To put it another way, if .32 ACP is what feels good to you, and you can build a nice tight group with it while struggling with 9mm or .380, than that is the round for you.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 08:32 PM (ZOv7s)
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I would shoot FMJ in .32 ACP.
IMO, .380 is a tossup between FMJ and HP, and I load them alternately (in the same weight) for my wife.
IMO, .380 is a tossup between FMJ and HP, and I load them alternately (in the same weight) for my wife.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 08:32 PM (a3Q+t)
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I’m not sure why anyone is looking at a .32 when .355 (9mm) is barely adequate to the task.
*ducks and runs*
*ducks and runs*
Posted by: RI Red at January 26, 2025 08:33 PM (mMtti)
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178 Thanks, TRex. My work schedule interferes with watching the majority of the race, so in content myself with the replay via Peacock.
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at January 26, 2025 08:31 PM
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Better on replay than not at all. fwiw, my enjoyment increases substantially when I have live timing and scoring alongside. So many smaller stories that get little attention and so much easier to get a sense of what is really happening.
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at January 26, 2025 08:31 PM
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Better on replay than not at all. fwiw, my enjoyment increases substantially when I have live timing and scoring alongside. So many smaller stories that get little attention and so much easier to get a sense of what is really happening.
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 08:36 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I’m not sure why anyone is looking at a .32 when .355 (9mm) is barely adequate to the task.
*ducks and runs*
Posted by: RI Red at January 26, 2025 08:33 PM
Can I have your stuff?
*ducks and runs*
Posted by: RI Red at January 26, 2025 08:33 PM
Can I have your stuff?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2025 08:36 PM (Wnv9h)
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The reason I don't care for a 32 ACP as a defense round is that you can sometimes get rimlock as the cartridge is semi rimmed (rim is slightly larger than the case body).
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:30 PM (ctrM5)
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I"ve put a lot of .32 ACP downrange, much of it through some pretty tired surplus firearms and I've never encountered rimlock. I've had lots of other oddball stuff happen (again, surplus) but never that particular issue.
Just my experience, your results may vary.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:30 PM (ctrM5)
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I"ve put a lot of .32 ACP downrange, much of it through some pretty tired surplus firearms and I've never encountered rimlock. I've had lots of other oddball stuff happen (again, surplus) but never that particular issue.
Just my experience, your results may vary.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 08:36 PM (ZOv7s)
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Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:30 PM (ctrM5)
So if .32 ACP is still "meh" for defensive uses, what about it as an intermediate step to 9mm Parabellum for new shooters? It's interesting that both Beretta and Walther have introduced or reintroduced a number .32 ACP platforms in just the last few months or at SHOT Show.
So if .32 ACP is still "meh" for defensive uses, what about it as an intermediate step to 9mm Parabellum for new shooters? It's interesting that both Beretta and Walther have introduced or reintroduced a number .32 ACP platforms in just the last few months or at SHOT Show.
Posted by: Ed L at January 26, 2025 08:37 PM (AiJK3)
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All Contender barrels are expensive and darned if I know why. I got a good deal on a G2 and was kind of stunned once I started looking for barrels. I got a .17HMR barrel but including shipping, I could have just bought a new Savage rifle for the same $$.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2025 08:31 PM (/y8xj)
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Thompson is a premium name, and IIRC, the Contender stopped production 20 years ago.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2025 08:31 PM (/y8xj)
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Thompson is a premium name, and IIRC, the Contender stopped production 20 years ago.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 08:37 PM (ZOv7s)
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Food Thread comments are currently at 322.
We succeeded last week at beating the FT, and saved Weasel from the dreaded 0700 hrs Zoom Call with a bouncing-off-the-walls deranged Ace.
If you joined that Monday's Art Thread, you found Weasel making some jovial comments, which he was able to do because he was able to sleep the beauty sleep of the just, serene in the knowledge that he didn't have to awaken at 0330 hours to prepare for that dreaded call.
A rested Weasel is a happy Weasel, and a happy Weasel helps make for a happy WW, FSJ, Gertie, and WWC2.
Only you can prevent a tired Weasel.
We succeeded last week at beating the FT, and saved Weasel from the dreaded 0700 hrs Zoom Call with a bouncing-off-the-walls deranged Ace.
If you joined that Monday's Art Thread, you found Weasel making some jovial comments, which he was able to do because he was able to sleep the beauty sleep of the just, serene in the knowledge that he didn't have to awaken at 0330 hours to prepare for that dreaded call.
A rested Weasel is a happy Weasel, and a happy Weasel helps make for a happy WW, FSJ, Gertie, and WWC2.
Only you can prevent a tired Weasel.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 08:39 PM (a3Q+t)
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To put it another way, if .32 ACP is what feels good to you, and you can build a nice tight group with it while struggling with 9mm or .380, than that is the round for you.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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It is more that I have questions about reliability due to the rimlock issue. I would be more likely to carry a 32 S&W Long using Buffalo Bore's excellent (and safe for all solid framed revolvers). Heavier bullet, better bullet profile (Wadcutter beats FMJ Round tips), and no issues about feeding. Carried a 3 inch S&W Long loaded with such at night when walking a dog when coyotes were about.
But, since I reload, and you can also buy them, a soft swaged hollow point in a semi wad cutter profile can do better in a 38 Special at about the same weight with a bit more recoil. If recoil is an issue, you can even downgrade to plain lead swaged wadcutters that have a decent track record.
The issue is your expected defense scenario---drugged up and drunk criminals are harder to stop period and for the most part, you will be a bad breath range. Not the place I would want to rely on a 22 LR or a 32 ACP. It might even kill them but not in time to prevent you getting it.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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It is more that I have questions about reliability due to the rimlock issue. I would be more likely to carry a 32 S&W Long using Buffalo Bore's excellent (and safe for all solid framed revolvers). Heavier bullet, better bullet profile (Wadcutter beats FMJ Round tips), and no issues about feeding. Carried a 3 inch S&W Long loaded with such at night when walking a dog when coyotes were about.
But, since I reload, and you can also buy them, a soft swaged hollow point in a semi wad cutter profile can do better in a 38 Special at about the same weight with a bit more recoil. If recoil is an issue, you can even downgrade to plain lead swaged wadcutters that have a decent track record.
The issue is your expected defense scenario---drugged up and drunk criminals are harder to stop period and for the most part, you will be a bad breath range. Not the place I would want to rely on a 22 LR or a 32 ACP. It might even kill them but not in time to prevent you getting it.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:39 PM (ctrM5)
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For only $19 a month, or 63 cents a day, you too can support the ammo-deprived shooters of Washington state.
Call now and we'll send you this adoahble target silhouette, in the shape of your favorite anti gunner.
Posted by: haffhowershower at January 26, 2025 08:14 PM (NMT5x)
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And a "cold dead hands" decorative tote bag.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 08:18 PM (ZOv7s)
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Tears...to my eyes!!!
Call now and we'll send you this adoahble target silhouette, in the shape of your favorite anti gunner.
Posted by: haffhowershower at January 26, 2025 08:14 PM (NMT5x)
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And a "cold dead hands" decorative tote bag.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 08:18 PM (ZOv7s)
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Tears...to my eyes!!!
Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2025 08:40 PM (W/lyH)
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Can't speak to stopping power but for targets I shoot 41 magnum better than 44 mag. I don't think it's recoil since I am comfortable with that. The 41 mag just seems flatter shooting. This is all with Ruger Blackhawks, my favorite single actions.
Since I reload all my rounds, once you have the brass the costs are the same. I did get some Starline 41 special brass to play around with cast bullet loads at some point.
Since I reload all my rounds, once you have the brass the costs are the same. I did get some Starline 41 special brass to play around with cast bullet loads at some point.
Posted by: JTB at January 26, 2025 08:41 PM (yTvNw)
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RMBS, I can’t hear you from my bunker.
Posted by: RI Red at January 26, 2025 08:41 PM (mMtti)
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Diogenes, DBCooper once sent some box pressed cigars for the MoMe. Oh my, they were like a good dessert
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 08:29 PM (oT+t6)
If I can ever get to one, I will bring a box of my favorites.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 08:29 PM (oT+t6)
If I can ever get to one, I will bring a box of my favorites.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2025 08:42 PM (W/lyH)
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Hi. No range time. I haven't even dry-fired much. Lately my guns and I aren't talking - they just sit and glare at me accusingly.
Thanks for the Gun Thread, Weasel.
Night.
Thanks for the Gun Thread, Weasel.
Night.
Posted by: GWB at January 26, 2025 08:42 PM (hzHvq)
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Thompson is a premium name, and IIRC, the Contender stopped production 20 years ago.
A former Thompson/Center executive recently acquired all the assets from (IIRC) Smith & Wesson and should be back in production Real Soon Now.
A former Thompson/Center executive recently acquired all the assets from (IIRC) Smith & Wesson and should be back in production Real Soon Now.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2025 08:43 PM (/y8xj)
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RMBS, I can’t hear you from my bunker.
Posted by: RI Red at January 26, 2025 08:41 PM
But you're answ....
Never mind.
Posted by: RI Red at January 26, 2025 08:41 PM
But you're answ....
Never mind.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2025 08:43 PM (Wnv9h)
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Just my humble observation but I have never had faith in smaller caliber firearms for anything other than a last-resort BUG.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 26, 2025 08:43 PM (mH6SG)
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I did get 1000 rounds of 9mm before I left for Hawaii. I ordered it during the gun thread 2 weeks ago.
Buy ammo. And guns.
Buy ammo. And guns.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 08:44 PM (QfvaV)
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To clarify, Thompson/Center products will be back in production but maybe not the Contender. Last I heard, he was planning to restart the Encore line first.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2025 08:44 PM (/y8xj)
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So if .32 ACP is still "meh" for defensive uses, what about it as an intermediate step to 9mm Parabellum for new shooters? It's interesting that both Beretta and Walther have introduced or reintroduced a number .32 ACP platforms in just the last few months or at SHOT Show.
Posted by: Ed L
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32 ACP is an excellent round as are 32 Smith and Wesson Longs are for training. Mild report, decent enough for a starter firearm to avoid developing a flinch but the 32 ACP has it over the 32 Long in ammo availability. Obsolete cartridges like the 32 Long have ammo supply that dries up and unless you want to reload (32 SW Long is an excellent round on par with the 38 Special in reloading btw), then practicing with it can be a problem.
In a gun fight, you first have to have a gun--there are stops with a 22 LR, 25 ACP (which is mebbe the worst of the lot), 32 ACP, etc. Probably most threats might end if you present a gun, more if you fire it regardless of the cartridge, but muggers, gang bangers, etc. are essentially lowlifes that have limited life expectancy and figure on dying young. In that case, you want a 12 gauge shotgun but have to settle for the best stopper you can handle.
Posted by: Ed L
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32 ACP is an excellent round as are 32 Smith and Wesson Longs are for training. Mild report, decent enough for a starter firearm to avoid developing a flinch but the 32 ACP has it over the 32 Long in ammo availability. Obsolete cartridges like the 32 Long have ammo supply that dries up and unless you want to reload (32 SW Long is an excellent round on par with the 38 Special in reloading btw), then practicing with it can be a problem.
In a gun fight, you first have to have a gun--there are stops with a 22 LR, 25 ACP (which is mebbe the worst of the lot), 32 ACP, etc. Probably most threats might end if you present a gun, more if you fire it regardless of the cartridge, but muggers, gang bangers, etc. are essentially lowlifes that have limited life expectancy and figure on dying young. In that case, you want a 12 gauge shotgun but have to settle for the best stopper you can handle.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:45 PM (ctrM5)
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The issue is your expected defense scenario---drugged up and drunk criminals are harder to stop period and for the most part, you will be a bad breath range.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:39 PM (ctrM5)
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You're absolutely correct - what is the expected scenario? I think everyone has their own answer based on where they live and what they do. According to the crime surveys, 98% of the time no shots are fired. This puts caliber debates into the remaining 2%.
And of that 2%, we have to drill down to figure out when the two big hurdles were crossed - weapon could not be drawn or put into effect. That's the bulk of failed self defense scenarios. So if you can draw and fire your weapon, you're now almost all the way home.
"Ineffective hits" are literally impossible to quantify with any certainty. It's mostly anec-data, and people naturally gravitate to the ones that reinforce their opinions.
Don't get me wrong, I love these discussions, but we have to keep some perspective.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:39 PM (ctrM5)
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You're absolutely correct - what is the expected scenario? I think everyone has their own answer based on where they live and what they do. According to the crime surveys, 98% of the time no shots are fired. This puts caliber debates into the remaining 2%.
And of that 2%, we have to drill down to figure out when the two big hurdles were crossed - weapon could not be drawn or put into effect. That's the bulk of failed self defense scenarios. So if you can draw and fire your weapon, you're now almost all the way home.
"Ineffective hits" are literally impossible to quantify with any certainty. It's mostly anec-data, and people naturally gravitate to the ones that reinforce their opinions.
Don't get me wrong, I love these discussions, but we have to keep some perspective.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 08:46 PM (ZOv7s)
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IMO, .380 is a tossup between FMJ and HP, and I load them alternately (in the same weight) for my wife.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 08:32 PM (a3Q+t)
I do the same. But I like shooting it so much (S &W) I carry it myself almost as much as the Keltec.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 08:32 PM (a3Q+t)
I do the same. But I like shooting it so much (S &W) I carry it myself almost as much as the Keltec.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2025 08:47 PM (W/lyH)
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Shotgun for home defense, 357 for town trips.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 26, 2025 08:48 PM (oT+t6)
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Can't speak to stopping power but for targets I shoot 41 magnum better than 44 mag. I don't think it's recoil since I am comfortable with that. The 41 mag just seems flatter shooting. This is all with Ruger Blackhawks, my favorite single actions.
Posted by: JTB at January 26, 2025 08:41 PM (yTvNw)
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No one can argue with that. Some calibers just work better, and it's a wonderful thing when you find one of then.
Posted by: JTB at January 26, 2025 08:41 PM (yTvNw)
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No one can argue with that. Some calibers just work better, and it's a wonderful thing when you find one of then.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 08:48 PM (ZOv7s)
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IMO, .380 is a tossup between FMJ and HP, and I load them alternately (in the same weight) for my wife.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 08:32 PM (a3Q+t)
DThrax, I had not really thought about that.
Live and learn. Another Gub Thread lesson.
My mags will be reloaded tomorrow.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 08:32 PM (a3Q+t)
DThrax, I had not really thought about that.
Live and learn. Another Gub Thread lesson.
My mags will be reloaded tomorrow.
Posted by: RI Red at January 26, 2025 08:51 PM (mMtti)
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Just my humble observation but I have never had faith in smaller caliber firearms for anything other than a last-resort BUG.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 26, 2025 08:43 PM (mH6SG)
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As the late, great Paul Harrell pointed out, confidence in your weapon is essential. If you don't think it will work, get rid of it. Whether we are talking caliber or mechanical reliability, you should always be comfortable with whatever you are using.
My point is that I don't think people should feel pressure to "up gun" just because what works for them isn't viewed as heavy enough. If you can drill a one-inch circle with .25 ACP, but suck with anything else, well, that's for you. Lots of data on perps getting whacked with .25 ACP.
But there is also data that it is less effective, and it's not necessarily a function of the caliber, but perhaps the people who chose it lacked skill. They went with what was easy to use, and were complacent. You can see where this is going.
What you use is less important than your skill with it.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 26, 2025 08:43 PM (mH6SG)
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As the late, great Paul Harrell pointed out, confidence in your weapon is essential. If you don't think it will work, get rid of it. Whether we are talking caliber or mechanical reliability, you should always be comfortable with whatever you are using.
My point is that I don't think people should feel pressure to "up gun" just because what works for them isn't viewed as heavy enough. If you can drill a one-inch circle with .25 ACP, but suck with anything else, well, that's for you. Lots of data on perps getting whacked with .25 ACP.
But there is also data that it is less effective, and it's not necessarily a function of the caliber, but perhaps the people who chose it lacked skill. They went with what was easy to use, and were complacent. You can see where this is going.
What you use is less important than your skill with it.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 08:52 PM (ZOv7s)
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Don't get me wrong, I love these discussions, but we have to keep some perspective.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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In my case use, years ago, I had a drug dealer living across the street with pit bulls when he got a new shipment in. Police would do nothing (suspect he might have been an informant) and the crowd he brought around resulted in gunshots, a robbery, and various other unpleasantries. The guy was living in his brother's house until it finally got foreclosed on due to non payment in 2008.
So, dealing with drugged up scumbags meant carrying as much as I could when I had to walk our dog and carry when I mowed the lawn etc. The whole neighborhood essentially gunned up as a result of one lousy drug dealer in an old subdivision that has 2-5 acre lots. Had to deal with that crap for about 2-3 years.
So, I spent the time training seriously, staging long guns, etc. (getting home invasions by druggies hitting the wrong house is common), alarm systems, hardened entry points into the house, landscaping for security, lighting, and so on.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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In my case use, years ago, I had a drug dealer living across the street with pit bulls when he got a new shipment in. Police would do nothing (suspect he might have been an informant) and the crowd he brought around resulted in gunshots, a robbery, and various other unpleasantries. The guy was living in his brother's house until it finally got foreclosed on due to non payment in 2008.
So, dealing with drugged up scumbags meant carrying as much as I could when I had to walk our dog and carry when I mowed the lawn etc. The whole neighborhood essentially gunned up as a result of one lousy drug dealer in an old subdivision that has 2-5 acre lots. Had to deal with that crap for about 2-3 years.
So, I spent the time training seriously, staging long guns, etc. (getting home invasions by druggies hitting the wrong house is common), alarm systems, hardened entry points into the house, landscaping for security, lighting, and so on.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:53 PM (ctrM5)
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Weasel, you magnificent bastard, after watching the video on what to say to 911, does anyone produce script cards for this? I am quite sure I would be unlikely to think straight on that situation.
Posted by: tcn in AK at January 26, 2025 08:53 PM (GUxWu)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 26, 2025 08:55 PM (mlg/3)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 26, 2025 08:56 PM (mH6SG)
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Not quite good night...
"All the stuff we turn our nose up at..."
Not those of us who actually appreciate functionality and don't idolize "new". Or "big".
Also, does Hickok45 live near a race track? Yumpin' Yiminy.
"All the stuff we turn our nose up at..."
Not those of us who actually appreciate functionality and don't idolize "new". Or "big".
Also, does Hickok45 live near a race track? Yumpin' Yiminy.
Posted by: GWB at January 26, 2025 08:56 PM (hzHvq)
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 08:57 PM (QfvaV)
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So, I spent the time training seriously, staging long guns, etc. (getting home invasions by druggies hitting the wrong house is common), alarm systems, hardened entry points into the house, landscaping for security, lighting, and so on.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:53 PM (ctrM5)
We have a similar situation about a mile from my neighborhood, so not really "close" but yet too nearby for comfort. A house got riddled by some drive-by shooters, resulting in the death of a 4yo little girl in her bedroom. My wife thinks she heard the shots. No leads yet on the perps or the motive.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:53 PM (ctrM5)
We have a similar situation about a mile from my neighborhood, so not really "close" but yet too nearby for comfort. A house got riddled by some drive-by shooters, resulting in the death of a 4yo little girl in her bedroom. My wife thinks she heard the shots. No leads yet on the perps or the motive.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 08:57 PM (v23vE)
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So, I spent the time training seriously, staging long guns, etc. (getting home invasions by druggies hitting the wrong house is common), alarm systems, hardened entry points into the house, landscaping for security, lighting, and so on.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:53 PM (ctrM5)
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Right, and in your circumstances, I'd be armed to the teeth.
After the Nashville Recruiting shooting, concealed carry was authorized in by permit-holding Guardsmen in Michigan. I tried different options, but all of them were full-sized high capacity weapons, because anyone willing to engage me in uniform, needed a heavy response.
But as a shabby-dressed civilian, a snubbie fits the bill.
So, I spent the time training seriously, staging long guns, etc. (getting home invasions by druggies hitting the wrong house is common), alarm systems, hardened entry points into the house, landscaping for security, lighting, and so on.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 08:53 PM (ctrM5)
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Right, and in your circumstances, I'd be armed to the teeth.
After the Nashville Recruiting shooting, concealed carry was authorized in by permit-holding Guardsmen in Michigan. I tried different options, but all of them were full-sized high capacity weapons, because anyone willing to engage me in uniform, needed a heavy response.
But as a shabby-dressed civilian, a snubbie fits the bill.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 08:58 PM (ZOv7s)
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Sig P365XL remains my EDC and I have not had any compelling reason to change what I carry.
But in an open carry situation I would carry a 1911.
But in an open carry situation I would carry a 1911.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 08:59 PM (QfvaV)
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Reality TV just got an upgrade:
@liz_churchill10 51m
WOW. WELCOME TO 2025.
Dr. Phil and Border Czar Tom Homan are arresting Migrants GUILTY of Crimes Against Children on Live T.V. in Obama’s Hometown of Chicago.
@liz_churchill10 51m
WOW. WELCOME TO 2025.
Dr. Phil and Border Czar Tom Homan are arresting Migrants GUILTY of Crimes Against Children on Live T.V. in Obama’s Hometown of Chicago.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 26, 2025 09:00 PM (mlg/3)
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(getting home invasions by druggies hitting the wrong house is common)
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Any drills for the cops hitting the wrong house??
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Any drills for the cops hitting the wrong house??
Posted by: andycanuck (5LoD7) at January 26, 2025 09:03 PM (5LoD7)
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That's what she said.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 08:57 PM (QfvaV)
Always one moron…
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 08:57 PM (QfvaV)
Always one moron…
Posted by: tcn in AK at January 26, 2025 09:04 PM (GUxWu)
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Time to go.
Thanks, as always for the excellent thread, Weasel-San.
Thanks, as always for the excellent thread, Weasel-San.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at January 26, 2025 09:04 PM (Hdixl)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 26, 2025 09:05 PM (mH6SG)
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Sportsball related - thousands of E-L-G-S-E-S Eagles fans parading down Broad Street. https://x.com/AZ_Intel_/status/1883687067445801075
Not sure I'd join that parade, if I'm being honest.
Not sure I'd join that parade, if I'm being honest.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:05 PM (v23vE)
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Dr. Phil and Border Czar Tom Homan are arresting Migrants GUILTY of Crimes Against Children on Live T.V. in Obama’s Hometown of Chicago.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January
Dr Phil's network, Merit does some good stuff. He interviews top notch people and allows them to talk. It's fascinating. I wonder how many of the daytime tv fans got pilled.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January
Dr Phil's network, Merit does some good stuff. He interviews top notch people and allows them to talk. It's fascinating. I wonder how many of the daytime tv fans got pilled.
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 26, 2025 09:07 PM (mT+6a)
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(and if you're wondering about the E-L-G-S-E-S, that's how Philadelphia mayor Cherelle Parker spelled her beloved hometown team's name at a rally last week.)
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:07 PM (v23vE)
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Organic tree farming update: I am collecting the bits to get an off-grid solar powered pump for the well we hammered in. Pump on order, picked up some solar panels today from FB market place, I picked up a power center that should be enough to drive the pump, and a shed to cover the electrical bits.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 09:09 PM (QfvaV)
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I hope this question is ok: all these illegals being apprehended and sent back - were they current residents of our jails, or are these all being picked up on the streets or where they reside/hang out? Large numbers everyday, so we know where everyone is?
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at January 26, 2025 09:10 PM (IQ6Gq)
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224 Organic tree farming update:
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 09:09 PM
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Winning!
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 09:09 PM
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Winning!
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 09:10 PM (IQ6Gq)
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She is a Democrat so what do you expect?
Posted by: Skip at January 26, 2025 09:12 PM (fwDg9)
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My mindset when I'm carrying is to avoid confrontation. If I am forced to defend myself, I would hope to be able to use my pepper spray and get away. If I determine the person coming at me would not be deterred, I will draw and shoot. Not draw and point and say go away. Draw and shoot. Then get away to a safe place and call 911.
Am I wrong?
Am I wrong?
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 26, 2025 09:12 PM (mT+6a)
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We have a similar situation about a mile from my neighborhood, so not really "close" but yet too nearby for comfort. A house got riddled by some drive-by shooters, resulting in the death of a 4yo little girl in her bedroom. My wife thinks she heard the shots. No leads yet on the perps or the motive.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy
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Sorry for what you are going through, it ain't fun figuring out where to get bullet stopping cover if some drugged up yutes decide to gang bang in your vicinity. A cheap solution is bookcases filled with books on exterior walls.
I learned all it took was one bad apple and it made the whole neighborhood less safe. We had the corollary problems like anything of value outside being stolen (generators, grills, power tools, etc. by druggies looking to trade for a fix), strange people coming to the door (they wanted across the street or worse), and fleeing felons being chased by the police in a neighborhood with all of about 30 houses on big lots.
Right after my problems ended, my mother's suddenly got really bad (worse than ours). Had to train my 68 yr old mother how to shoot and under what conditions.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy
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Sorry for what you are going through, it ain't fun figuring out where to get bullet stopping cover if some drugged up yutes decide to gang bang in your vicinity. A cheap solution is bookcases filled with books on exterior walls.
I learned all it took was one bad apple and it made the whole neighborhood less safe. We had the corollary problems like anything of value outside being stolen (generators, grills, power tools, etc. by druggies looking to trade for a fix), strange people coming to the door (they wanted across the street or worse), and fleeing felons being chased by the police in a neighborhood with all of about 30 houses on big lots.
Right after my problems ended, my mother's suddenly got really bad (worse than ours). Had to train my 68 yr old mother how to shoot and under what conditions.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 09:12 PM (ctrM5)
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Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at January 26, 2025 09:10 PM (IQ6Gq)
Sounds like a mix of both.
Sounds like a mix of both.
Posted by: Ed L at January 26, 2025 09:12 PM (AiJK3)
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227 She is a Democrat so what do you expect?
Posted by: Skip at January 26, 2025 09:12 PM (fwDg9)
Basic literacy? I know I'm asking a lot here.
Posted by: Skip at January 26, 2025 09:12 PM (fwDg9)
Basic literacy? I know I'm asking a lot here.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:13 PM (v23vE)
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I really like the thought of a break open revolver. I think years ago I saw an 8 or 9 shot .22. Maybe it was an H&R?
I'm liking the sound of the .32 magnum, so are there any of these type of revolvers available that are safe? So maybe newer vintage? If it has self-eject that would be a bonus (not sure if that come standard with break open).
Even a .22 would be fun.
I'm liking the sound of the .32 magnum, so are there any of these type of revolvers available that are safe? So maybe newer vintage? If it has self-eject that would be a bonus (not sure if that come standard with break open).
Even a .22 would be fun.
Posted by: haffhowershower at January 26, 2025 09:13 PM (NMT5x)
Posted by: Ed L at January 26, 2025 09:13 PM (AiJK3)
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225 I hope this question is ok: all these illegals being apprehended and sent back - were they current residents of our jails, or are these all being picked up on the streets or where they reside/hang out? Large numbers everyday, so we know where everyone is?
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at January 26, 2025 09:10 PM (IQ6Gq)
I believe some mix. Homan castigated the sanctuary cities that force them to go out on the street when it would be safer for everyone involved if they pick them up from jail.
The thing about picking them up on the streets: it just shows that we've known where they are the whole time. It's just a matter of will.
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at January 26, 2025 09:10 PM (IQ6Gq)
I believe some mix. Homan castigated the sanctuary cities that force them to go out on the street when it would be safer for everyone involved if they pick them up from jail.
The thing about picking them up on the streets: it just shows that we've known where they are the whole time. It's just a matter of will.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 09:13 PM (QfvaV)
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228 My mindset when I'm carrying is to avoid confrontation. If I am forced to defend myself, I would hope to be able to use my pepper spray and get away. If I determine the person coming at me would not be deterred, I will draw and shoot. Not draw and point and say go away. Draw and shoot. Then get away to a safe place and call 911.
Am I wrong?
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 26, 2025 09:12 PM (mT+6a)
This tracks. I forget who I was watching who said first rule of gunfights is run away. Second rule was have a gun....
Am I wrong?
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 26, 2025 09:12 PM (mT+6a)
This tracks. I forget who I was watching who said first rule of gunfights is run away. Second rule was have a gun....
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 09:15 PM (QfvaV)
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221 Sportsball related - thousands of E-L-G-S-E-S Eagles fans parading down Broad Street. https://x.com/AZ_Intel_/status/1883687067445801075
Not sure I'd join that parade, if I'm being honest.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless
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LoL!! 🤣🤣
Not sure I'd join that parade, if I'm being honest.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless
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LoL!! 🤣🤣
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at January 26, 2025 09:16 PM (sAmhv)
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Sorry for what you are going through, it ain't fun figuring out where to get bullet stopping cover if some drugged up yutes decide to gang bang in your vicinity. A cheap solution is bookcases filled with books on exterior walls.
I learned all it took was one bad apple and it made the whole neighborhood less safe. [...]
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 09:12 PM (ctrM5)
The bookcase idea is golden, and I will be setting that up in my sons' room that faces the street ASAP.
We have way more than one bad apple -- we have a couple apartment complexes full of 'em within a mile -- but the drive-by murder was not in one of those areas. That's the most concerning bit.
I learned all it took was one bad apple and it made the whole neighborhood less safe. [...]
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 09:12 PM (ctrM5)
The bookcase idea is golden, and I will be setting that up in my sons' room that faces the street ASAP.
We have way more than one bad apple -- we have a couple apartment complexes full of 'em within a mile -- but the drive-by murder was not in one of those areas. That's the most concerning bit.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:17 PM (v23vE)
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228 My mindset when I'm carrying is to avoid confrontation. If I am forced to defend myself, I would hope to be able to use my pepper spray and get away. If I determine the person coming at me would not be deterred, I will draw and shoot. Not draw and point and say go away. Draw and shoot. Then get away to a safe place and call 911.
Am I wrong?
Posted by: nurse ratched
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Nope, you have already figured out your plan and situational awareness to avoid a fight is the best of all worlds. Ducking and running if it can be done safely (can't outrun a bullet for example) is a good option, having a throwdown wallet with a few bucks and those awful fake credit cards size crap you get in the mail).
Mas Ayoob, calls this Weasel craft and he got a lot of criticism over his throwdown wallet suggestion. He mentioned that what jurisdiction you were in mattered and a few bucks to avoid an unpleasant self defense situation is worth it if you can escape that way.
Am I wrong?
Posted by: nurse ratched
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Nope, you have already figured out your plan and situational awareness to avoid a fight is the best of all worlds. Ducking and running if it can be done safely (can't outrun a bullet for example) is a good option, having a throwdown wallet with a few bucks and those awful fake credit cards size crap you get in the mail).
Mas Ayoob, calls this Weasel craft and he got a lot of criticism over his throwdown wallet suggestion. He mentioned that what jurisdiction you were in mattered and a few bucks to avoid an unpleasant self defense situation is worth it if you can escape that way.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 09:18 PM (ctrM5)
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235 This tracks. I forget who I was watching who said first rule of gunfights is run away. Second rule was have a gun....
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 09:15 PM
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Third rule - have a friendly A-10 nearby?
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 09:15 PM
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Third rule - have a friendly A-10 nearby?
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 09:18 PM (IQ6Gq)
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228 My mindset when I'm carrying is to avoid confrontation. If I am forced to defend myself, I would hope to be able to use my pepper spray and get away. If I determine the person coming at me would not be deterred, I will draw and shoot. Not draw and point and say go away. Draw and shoot. Then get away to a safe place and call 911.
Am I wrong?
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 26, 2025 09:12 PM (mT+6a)
Also - from the NRA:
https://tinyurl.com/49afv2ee
You might carry concealed for self-protection, but your firearm is a last resort. If you’re ever in a dangerous situation, like an attempted robbery or assault, leaving is better than fighting your way out, and it should be your first choice if it’s feasible....
Am I wrong?
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 26, 2025 09:12 PM (mT+6a)
Also - from the NRA:
https://tinyurl.com/49afv2ee
You might carry concealed for self-protection, but your firearm is a last resort. If you’re ever in a dangerous situation, like an attempted robbery or assault, leaving is better than fighting your way out, and it should be your first choice if it’s feasible....
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 09:18 PM (QfvaV)
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Am I wrong?
Posted by: nurse ratched
My thought is, if you have pepper spray on your person, you should use it first. Otherwise, the officals will question why you didn't try non-leathel first. Might be a little trap you are setting for yourself.
Posted by: nurse ratched
My thought is, if you have pepper spray on your person, you should use it first. Otherwise, the officals will question why you didn't try non-leathel first. Might be a little trap you are setting for yourself.
Posted by: rancherbob at January 26, 2025 09:19 PM (Khfp9)
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Third rule - have a friendly A-10 nearby?
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 09:18 PM (IQ6Gq)
Certainly on the list!
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 09:18 PM (IQ6Gq)
Certainly on the list!
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 09:20 PM (QfvaV)
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You might carry concealed for self-protection, but your firearm is a last resort. If you’re ever in a dangerous situation, like an attempted robbery or assault, leaving is better than fighting your way out, and it should be your first choice if it’s feasible....
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 09:18 PM (QfvaV)
This advice has been given in every self-defense training session I've attended. Your nonlethal means and your carry gun are essential, but if you can break contact without utilizing them, fewer awkward questions will arise in the after-action report.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 09:18 PM (QfvaV)
This advice has been given in every self-defense training session I've attended. Your nonlethal means and your carry gun are essential, but if you can break contact without utilizing them, fewer awkward questions will arise in the after-action report.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:21 PM (v23vE)
Posted by: Weasel at January 26, 2025 09:22 PM (iu4Pw)
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If I determine the person coming at me would not be deterred, I will draw and shoot. Not draw and point and say go away. Draw and shoot. Then get away to a safe place and call 911.
Am I wrong?
I don't think so. Heaven forbid that I ever feel the need to point a loaded gun at another human being but if I do, the time between "point" and "shoot" will likely be measured in milliseconds.
Am I wrong?
I don't think so. Heaven forbid that I ever feel the need to point a loaded gun at another human being but if I do, the time between "point" and "shoot" will likely be measured in milliseconds.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 26, 2025 09:23 PM (/y8xj)
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Hullo morons, late but...guns!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at January 26, 2025 09:23 PM (xcxpd)
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Important public service announcement - Taylor Swift is in attendance in KC. There was some doubt on X, but it was dispelled.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:23 PM (v23vE)
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Weasel is still with us!!!
Posted by: rancherbob at January 26, 2025 09:23 PM (Khfp9)
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Food Thread comments are currently at 322.
We succeeded last week at beating the FT, and saved Weasel from the dreaded 0700 hrs Zoom Call with a bouncing-off-the-walls deranged Ace.
If you joined that Monday's Art Thread, you found Weasel making some jovial comments, which he was able to do because he was able to sleep the beauty sleep of the just, serene in the knowledge that he didn't have to awaken at 0330 hours to prepare for that dreaded call.
A rested Weasel is a happy Weasel, and a happy Weasel helps make for a happy WW, FSJ, Gertie, and WWC2.
Only you can prevent a tired Weasel.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 08:39 PM (a3Q+t)
Reminder of tonight's goal from our friend Dunc. Y'all know the drill -- do it for Weasel!
We succeeded last week at beating the FT, and saved Weasel from the dreaded 0700 hrs Zoom Call with a bouncing-off-the-walls deranged Ace.
If you joined that Monday's Art Thread, you found Weasel making some jovial comments, which he was able to do because he was able to sleep the beauty sleep of the just, serene in the knowledge that he didn't have to awaken at 0330 hours to prepare for that dreaded call.
A rested Weasel is a happy Weasel, and a happy Weasel helps make for a happy WW, FSJ, Gertie, and WWC2.
Only you can prevent a tired Weasel.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 08:39 PM (a3Q+t)
Reminder of tonight's goal from our friend Dunc. Y'all know the drill -- do it for Weasel!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:24 PM (v23vE)
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Thanks for hosting, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at January 26, 2025 09:25 PM (AiJK3)
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247 Important public service announcement - Taylor Swift is in attendance in KC. There was some doubt on X, but it was dispelled.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:23 PM (v23vE)
Oh, anyone watching the broadcast knew because they have to mention it every 10 minutes at least.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:23 PM (v23vE)
Oh, anyone watching the broadcast knew because they have to mention it every 10 minutes at least.
Posted by: Arch Stanton at January 26, 2025 09:25 PM (GL7ds)
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Important public service announcement - Taylor Swift is in attendance in KC. There was some doubt on X, but it was dispelled.
All is right with the universe for another day.
All is right with the universe for another day.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 26, 2025 09:26 PM (mH6SG)
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The last few weeks I've been re-evaluating the CZ p-10C. I've had this gun for almost 10 years now and done nothing with it. I had other guns I liked better and I wanted the magazines for my CZ P-07s. But I took it out and did some evaluations after an IWB holster for it basically fell into my lap.
It's really good!
I can get nice, small CZ-sized groups with it if I do my job. It is very pointable (it comes right on target when I draw and point which not all pistols do naturally for me). The grip texture is a little pointy but that works well if I'm wearing gloves or if I'm trying to grip it hard for double taps. And...it double taps very well. Reliability is solid, no feed or fire errors. And CZ is (for now) selling slides with optics cuts for $150, which is way cheaper than paying to have it milled.
Right now you can buy one, new, for $350. If you want or need a striker fired handgun, it's a good choice.
Endorsed.
It's really good!
I can get nice, small CZ-sized groups with it if I do my job. It is very pointable (it comes right on target when I draw and point which not all pistols do naturally for me). The grip texture is a little pointy but that works well if I'm wearing gloves or if I'm trying to grip it hard for double taps. And...it double taps very well. Reliability is solid, no feed or fire errors. And CZ is (for now) selling slides with optics cuts for $150, which is way cheaper than paying to have it milled.
Right now you can buy one, new, for $350. If you want or need a striker fired handgun, it's a good choice.
Endorsed.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at January 26, 2025 09:26 PM (xcxpd)
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Mas Ayoob, calls this Weasel craft and he got a lot of criticism over his throwdown wallet suggestion. He mentioned that what jurisdiction you were in mattered and a few bucks to avoid an unpleasant self defense situation is worth it if you can escape that way.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 09:18 PM (ctrM5)
Wait wut?
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 09:18 PM (ctrM5)
Wait wut?
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 09:27 PM (QfvaV)
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Keeping this close
Posted by: Skip at January 26, 2025 09:27 PM (fwDg9)
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247 Important public service announcement - Taylor Swift is in attendance in KC.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:23 PM
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More importantly, there was a B-2 flyover before the game. Don't know which airframe though.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:23 PM
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More importantly, there was a B-2 flyover before the game. Don't know which airframe though.
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 09:27 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I'm liking the sound of the .32 magnum, so are there any of these type of revolvers available that are safe? So maybe newer vintage? If it has self-eject that would be a bonus (not sure if that come standard with break open).
Even a .22 would be fun.
Posted by: haffhowershower at January 26, 2025 09:13 PM (NMT5x)
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The Charter Arms Undercoverette is affordable and chambered for the caliber. Any revolver in .327 Federal Magnum will also handle .32 H&R Magnum with ease.
It's an expensive caliber at the moment, though getting cheaper by the day. An acceptable substitute is .32 S&W Long, which is milder and half the price. This mimics fans of .357 Magnum using .38 Special as practice ammo.
What I do is use .32 Long to work on drills, noting my point of aim, and then running some .32 Mag and checking the difference, because the point of impact will shift between the two calibers.
Even a .22 would be fun.
Posted by: haffhowershower at January 26, 2025 09:13 PM (NMT5x)
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The Charter Arms Undercoverette is affordable and chambered for the caliber. Any revolver in .327 Federal Magnum will also handle .32 H&R Magnum with ease.
It's an expensive caliber at the moment, though getting cheaper by the day. An acceptable substitute is .32 S&W Long, which is milder and half the price. This mimics fans of .357 Magnum using .38 Special as practice ammo.
What I do is use .32 Long to work on drills, noting my point of aim, and then running some .32 Mag and checking the difference, because the point of impact will shift between the two calibers.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 09:28 PM (ZOv7s)
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Wow. This is a helluva game.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 26, 2025 09:29 PM (mH6SG)
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Important public service announcement - Taylor Swift is in attendance in KC. There was some doubt on X, but it was dispelled.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:23 PM (v23vE)
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My sportsball allegiances are always determined by ageing girl pop stars whose voices are entirely unremarkable.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:23 PM (v23vE)
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My sportsball allegiances are always determined by ageing girl pop stars whose voices are entirely unremarkable.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 09:30 PM (ZOv7s)
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I'm liking the sound of the .32 magnum, so are there any of these type of revolvers available that are safe? So maybe newer vintage? If it has self-eject that would be a bonus (not sure if that come standard with break open).
Even a .22 would be fun.
Posted by: haffhowershower
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Most of the break open cylinder revolvers are simply not up to the task of being a good self defense pistol (and the ammo in things like 32 S&W or 38 S&W (not the later special) are better left as antiques not to be fired. Difficult to get ammo too and there are special considerations firing these.
Breakopen, .22 LR revolvers (if modern made) like the H&R 999 Sportsman or I think Ivor Johnson made some as well, etc. can be decent trainers.
Really old .22 LR breakopens (pre 1950's) often were fired with corrosive ammo and can mechanical problems and bore issues. I would avoid these.
I will tell you that expect 22 LR (rimfire) trigger pulls to not be as nice as those of centerfire revolvers. They need a heavier spring in order for the firing pin to hit the rim of the 22 LR case to ignite the primer and fire the bullet.
Even a .22 would be fun.
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Most of the break open cylinder revolvers are simply not up to the task of being a good self defense pistol (and the ammo in things like 32 S&W or 38 S&W (not the later special) are better left as antiques not to be fired. Difficult to get ammo too and there are special considerations firing these.
Breakopen, .22 LR revolvers (if modern made) like the H&R 999 Sportsman or I think Ivor Johnson made some as well, etc. can be decent trainers.
Really old .22 LR breakopens (pre 1950's) often were fired with corrosive ammo and can mechanical problems and bore issues. I would avoid these.
I will tell you that expect 22 LR (rimfire) trigger pulls to not be as nice as those of centerfire revolvers. They need a heavier spring in order for the firing pin to hit the rim of the 22 LR case to ignite the primer and fire the bullet.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 09:30 PM (ctrM5)
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Thanks for a great Gub Thread, Weasel.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2025 09:30 PM (Wnv9h)
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More importantly, there was a B-2 flyover before the game. Don't know which airframe though.
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 09:27 PM (IQ6Gq)
How would anyone know if a Stealth bomber performed a flyover?
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 09:27 PM (IQ6Gq)
How would anyone know if a Stealth bomber performed a flyover?
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:31 PM (v23vE)
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Thank you for the gun thread, Weasel.
I am now down the rabbit hole watching the Armed Attorneys channel. If anyone busted down my locked gate and invaded my home in red county TX, I'd shoot to kill them, as I know they would not be out collecting for the Red Cross. I suspect the local jury would be sympathetic.
But guess I need to work on my 911 skills.
I am now down the rabbit hole watching the Armed Attorneys channel. If anyone busted down my locked gate and invaded my home in red county TX, I'd shoot to kill them, as I know they would not be out collecting for the Red Cross. I suspect the local jury would be sympathetic.
But guess I need to work on my 911 skills.
Posted by: Scarymary at January 26, 2025 09:33 PM (MZsCp)
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322 folks.
We had a late surge last week that kept Weasel in bed. Looks like we need another.
#OnlyYouCanPreventTiredWeasel
We had a late surge last week that kept Weasel in bed. Looks like we need another.
#OnlyYouCanPreventTiredWeasel
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 09:33 PM (Xnrdt)
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Wait wut?
Posted by: blaster
It is in his older book, In the Gravest Extreme. Mas got a lot of flak over the throwdown wallet issue but his reason for bringing it was sound. Typically the robbers are torn between greed and laziness. If the wallet is there, it is found money and it distracts them at a critical time.
Mas also mentioned what he called weaselcraft such as keeping a revolver inside a folded newspaper in one hand when coming to answer the door for an unexpected visitor. Revolver in coat pocket, and so on.
Posted by: blaster
It is in his older book, In the Gravest Extreme. Mas got a lot of flak over the throwdown wallet issue but his reason for bringing it was sound. Typically the robbers are torn between greed and laziness. If the wallet is there, it is found money and it distracts them at a critical time.
Mas also mentioned what he called weaselcraft such as keeping a revolver inside a folded newspaper in one hand when coming to answer the door for an unexpected visitor. Revolver in coat pocket, and so on.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 09:34 PM (ctrM5)
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Thank you guys for the 411.
Posted by: haffhowershower at January 26, 2025 09:34 PM (NMT5x)
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I will admit to being disappointed that Washington lost to Philadelphia. I was hoping for a Superb Owl between a team that was ashamed of its Native American nickname and gave in to political correctness, and a team that didn't knuckle under (and still has fans that perform the Tomahawk Chop).
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:34 PM (v23vE)
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We may have worn Weasel down over the years.
Posted by: rancherbob at January 26, 2025 09:35 PM (Khfp9)
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Apparently the Eagles won the best National Anthem in the NFL this year.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 09:35 PM (Xnrdt)
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Right now you can buy one, new, for $350. If you want or need a striker fired handgun, it's a good choice.
Endorsed.
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Is that a polymer version of the CZ-75 design and does it have the same manual of arms?
Endorsed.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Is that a polymer version of the CZ-75 design and does it have the same manual of arms?
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 09:36 PM (ctrM5)
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232 ... H and R made the model 999 Sportsman, a break top 9 shot 22lr. It was a superb shooter with an excellent grip. I had one and, like a dummy, traded it. Like any other H and R, the double action trigger was pretty heavy but the single action trigger was crisp.
Charter Arms makes several 32 magnum snubbies, one is offered in a pink finish. Don't know how good they are.
Charter Arms makes several 32 magnum snubbies, one is offered in a pink finish. Don't know how good they are.
Posted by: JTB at January 26, 2025 09:36 PM (yTvNw)
Posted by: haffhowershower at January 26, 2025 09:36 PM (NMT5x)
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Howdy RancherBob!
My logic (and my logic is often faulty) is that if I have pepper spray and use a gun instead, I had the opportunity to use a non lethal defense, but was afraid for my life so I had no option.
Pepper spray is for the homeless bums. A gun is for the street thugs.
If you enter my home uninvited, you will get shot.
My logic (and my logic is often faulty) is that if I have pepper spray and use a gun instead, I had the opportunity to use a non lethal defense, but was afraid for my life so I had no option.
Pepper spray is for the homeless bums. A gun is for the street thugs.
If you enter my home uninvited, you will get shot.
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 26, 2025 09:37 PM (iYVJ1)
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262 How would anyone know if a Stealth bomber performed a flyover?
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:31 PM
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A what? Never heard of it.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:31 PM
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A what? Never heard of it.
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 09:37 PM (IQ6Gq)
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We may have worn Weasel down over the years.
Posted by: rancherbob at January 26, 2025 09:35 PM
Those Zoom calls with Ace are reportedly extremely brutal and emotionally draining.
Posted by: rancherbob at January 26, 2025 09:35 PM
Those Zoom calls with Ace are reportedly extremely brutal and emotionally draining.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 09:37 PM (Xnrdt)
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To help save Weasel from the early morning call from Ace, I guess I’ll talk about my range trip today. This was the second trip in trying to work up a load for my RPR based on the Federal Gold Medal load using 168gr SMKs. I’m using IMR 3031 and it seems that moving the bullet out closer to the lands helped, but I can’t go too far out or they won’t feed out of the magazine and I have to single feed them.
I also tried some Nosler Custom Competitions and they really seemed to like the extended length, but I only had enough brass for one group of 5 so I’m interested to see if that result is repeatable.
I also tried some Nosler Custom Competitions and they really seemed to like the extended length, but I only had enough brass for one group of 5 so I’m interested to see if that result is repeatable.
Posted by: Arch Stanton at January 26, 2025 09:37 PM (GL7ds)
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Hubby predicted 32-29 as a final for the game. He might be correct.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 26, 2025 09:37 PM (2NHgQ)
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Mas also mentioned what he called weaselcraft such as keeping a revolver inside a folded newspaper in one hand when coming to answer the door for an unexpected visitor. Revolver in coat pocket, and so on.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 09:34 PM (ctrM5)
Does weasel know? More importantly, is he getting royalties?
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 09:34 PM (ctrM5)
Does weasel know? More importantly, is he getting royalties?
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 09:37 PM (QfvaV)
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Mas also mentioned what he called weaselcraft such as keeping a revolver inside a folded newspaper in one hand when coming to answer the door for an unexpected visitor. Revolver in coat pocket, and so on.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 09:34 PM (ctrM5)
Greg Ellifritz mentioned in a class that he once had students buy thrift-store parkas and other winter jackets, then practice shooting revolvers through the pocket. Didn't seem like a particularly safe exercise, as revolvers expel a ton of hot gas that might burn hands or pocket lining, but the idea still has a lot of merit.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 09:34 PM (ctrM5)
Greg Ellifritz mentioned in a class that he once had students buy thrift-store parkas and other winter jackets, then practice shooting revolvers through the pocket. Didn't seem like a particularly safe exercise, as revolvers expel a ton of hot gas that might burn hands or pocket lining, but the idea still has a lot of merit.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:38 PM (v23vE)
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I do hope to attend the TXMOME, and meet you people.
Posted by: Scarymary at January 26, 2025 09:39 PM (MZsCp)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 09:40 PM (Xnrdt)
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A what? Never heard of it.
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 09:37 PM (IQ6Gq)
Last thing I remember was a guy wearing a dark suit with a flashy thing in his hand. Then I woke up here.
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 09:37 PM (IQ6Gq)
Last thing I remember was a guy wearing a dark suit with a flashy thing in his hand. Then I woke up here.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:40 PM (v23vE)
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Apparently the Eagles won the best National Anthem in the NFL this year.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 09:35 PM (Xnrdt)
They had a falconer (eagler?) with a bald eagle, which flew around the stadium then came back and landed on her arm.
I don't know if that is an ELGES thing, or if it was the NFL play-acting at patriotism. It was cool, nonetheless.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 09:35 PM (Xnrdt)
They had a falconer (eagler?) with a bald eagle, which flew around the stadium then came back and landed on her arm.
I don't know if that is an ELGES thing, or if it was the NFL play-acting at patriotism. It was cool, nonetheless.
Posted by: haffhowershower at January 26, 2025 09:40 PM (NMT5x)
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I agree if you are in your home. Every situation is different so you have to visualise what you would do in different situations and settings to minimize your exposure.
Posted by: rancherbob at January 26, 2025 09:41 PM (Khfp9)
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Mas also mentioned what he called weaselcraft such as keeping a revolver inside a folded newspaper in one hand when coming to answer the door for an unexpected visitor. Revolver in coat pocket, and so on.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 09:34 PM (ctrM5)
Does weasel know? More importantly, is he getting royalties?
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 09:37 PM (QfvaV)
Of all the people I would neither like to encounter in the streetz or in a courtroom, Weasel is of course #1 ... but Mas Ayoob is right up there challenging for the top spot.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 09:34 PM (ctrM5)
Does weasel know? More importantly, is he getting royalties?
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at January 26, 2025 09:37 PM (QfvaV)
Of all the people I would neither like to encounter in the streetz or in a courtroom, Weasel is of course #1 ... but Mas Ayoob is right up there challenging for the top spot.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:41 PM (v23vE)
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Weasel, we are failing you.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 09:42 PM (Xnrdt)
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I do hope to attend the TXMOME, and meet you people.
Posted by: Scarymary at January 26, 2025 09:39 PM (MZsCp)
Just frigging do it. You'll have a blast.
Posted by: Scarymary at January 26, 2025 09:39 PM (MZsCp)
Just frigging do it. You'll have a blast.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 26, 2025 09:43 PM (VwHCD)
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Posted by: haffhowershower at January 26, 2025 09:40 PM (NMT5x)
Falconer. Even if it's an eagle they're carrying.
Falconer. Even if it's an eagle they're carrying.
Posted by: Ed L at January 26, 2025 09:43 PM (AiJK3)
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My logic (and my logic is often faulty) is that if I have pepper spray and use a gun instead, I had the opportunity to use a non lethal defense, but was afraid for my life so I had no option.
Pepper spray is for the homeless bums. A gun is for the street thugs.
If you enter my home uninvited, you will get shot.
Posted by: nurse ratched
The logic is sound and your plan is adapted for the anticipated threats in your everyday life. Home invasions when the place is occupied begins with scumbags already.
The only issue that you may want to consider, and cops face this as well, if you have less lethal options backed by deadly force, it can lead to decision paralysis if you don't train using your actions.
Trivial things like people not dropping the pepper spray and thus bungling their draw if it fails (or for cops, what to do if the taser fails) and so on.
Pepper spray is for the homeless bums. A gun is for the street thugs.
If you enter my home uninvited, you will get shot.
Posted by: nurse ratched
The logic is sound and your plan is adapted for the anticipated threats in your everyday life. Home invasions when the place is occupied begins with scumbags already.
The only issue that you may want to consider, and cops face this as well, if you have less lethal options backed by deadly force, it can lead to decision paralysis if you don't train using your actions.
Trivial things like people not dropping the pepper spray and thus bungling their draw if it fails (or for cops, what to do if the taser fails) and so on.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 09:44 PM (ctrM5)
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The frames used for .32 H&R Magnum are the same ones used for .38 special. The smaller bullet diameter results in more material being in place, which permits a higher chamber pressure (giving more velocity). Thus, Charter Arms (which only does revolvers) is a big fan of it, because it means they can focus on building frame blanks and then drill them out differently.
One advantage of using .32 caliber is that you get six shots instead of five .38s.
With .327 Federal Magnum, the frame is based on .357 Mangum rounds, and you get a similar benefit - high pressure with smaller holes and an extra round.
The downside is that .357 frames are a bit heavier than those for .38. I've never fired .327 Magnum, so I'm not sure how different it is, but it's assuredly less punishing that .357 in a snubbie.
Another bonus of .32 Magnum is that it has less felt recoil than .38 special, so you get comparable ballistics with much less pain in the hand.
One advantage of using .32 caliber is that you get six shots instead of five .38s.
With .327 Federal Magnum, the frame is based on .357 Mangum rounds, and you get a similar benefit - high pressure with smaller holes and an extra round.
The downside is that .357 frames are a bit heavier than those for .38. I've never fired .327 Magnum, so I'm not sure how different it is, but it's assuredly less punishing that .357 in a snubbie.
Another bonus of .32 Magnum is that it has less felt recoil than .38 special, so you get comparable ballistics with much less pain in the hand.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 09:45 PM (ZOv7s)
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278 Mas also mentioned what he called weaselcraft such as keeping a revolver inside a folded newspaper in one hand when coming to answer the door for an unexpected visitor. Revolver in coat pocket, and so on.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 09:34 PM (ctrM5)
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Or a towel.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 09:34 PM (ctrM5)
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Or a towel.
Posted by: Vito Corleone at January 26, 2025 09:45 PM (dDmld)
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I do hope to attend the TXMOME, and meet you people.
Posted by: Scarymary at January 26, 2025 09:39 PM (MZsCp)
Just frigging do it. You'll have a blast.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 26, 2025 09:43 PM (VwHCD)
Endorsed.
Posted by: Scarymary at January 26, 2025 09:39 PM (MZsCp)
Just frigging do it. You'll have a blast.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 26, 2025 09:43 PM (VwHCD)
Endorsed.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:46 PM (v23vE)
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One more post I guess. I finally gave in and bought one of the Garmin Xero chronos, and damn are they way easier to use than the Labradar I was using previously. Don’t have to be finicky with how it’s aimed, just point it in the general direction and go. The only thing it doesn’t do that the LR does is measure velocities as the bullet is going downrange.
I heard from someone at my range that a v2 is due out sometime this year, so prices on the current model might drop a bit for those that have been looking.
I heard from someone at my range that a v2 is due out sometime this year, so prices on the current model might drop a bit for those that have been looking.
Posted by: Arch Stanton at January 26, 2025 09:46 PM (GL7ds)
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I do hope to attend the TXMOME, and meet you people.
Posted by: Scarymary at January 26, 2025 09:39 PM
Do. Or do not. There is no "hope".
Posted by: Scarymary at January 26, 2025 09:39 PM
Do. Or do not. There is no "hope".
Posted by: Yoda at January 26, 2025 09:47 PM (Wnv9h)
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Greg Ellifritz mentioned in a class that he once had students buy thrift-store parkas and other winter jackets, then practice shooting revolvers through the pocket. Didn't seem like a particularly safe exercise, as revolvers expel a ton of hot gas that might burn hands or pocket lining, but the idea still has a lot of merit.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:38 PM (v23vE)
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Train how you plan to fight. You don't need to do it a hundred times, just understand what you are going to deal with.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:38 PM (v23vE)
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Train how you plan to fight. You don't need to do it a hundred times, just understand what you are going to deal with.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 09:47 PM (ZOv7s)
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Wow, another Super Bowl I won't be watching. That'll make 5 in a row.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 26, 2025 09:48 PM (YIxO9)
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Greg Ellifritz mentioned in a class that he once had students buy thrift-store parkas and other winter jackets, then practice shooting revolvers through the pocket. Didn't seem like a particularly safe exercise, as revolvers expel a ton of hot gas that might burn hands or pocket lining, but the idea still has a lot of merit.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy
Yes, it has been demonstrated to work at bad breath range but two things, you need a revolver that has been rended double action only by filing off the tang of the hammer (or at least a shielded hammer) or the hammer can hang up on the inside of the coat preventing a second shot.
Second, this technique does not work for a semi auto as interference with the slide guarantees a jam. You might get one shot off and that would be that.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy
Yes, it has been demonstrated to work at bad breath range but two things, you need a revolver that has been rended double action only by filing off the tang of the hammer (or at least a shielded hammer) or the hammer can hang up on the inside of the coat preventing a second shot.
Second, this technique does not work for a semi auto as interference with the slide guarantees a jam. You might get one shot off and that would be that.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 09:48 PM (ctrM5)
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My new hobby is watching the arrests deportations of illegals.
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at January 26, 2025 09:49 PM (jQ+5q)
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The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in war.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 09:49 PM (Xnrdt)
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300! whew...
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 09:49 PM (IQ6Gq)
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300!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:49 PM (v23vE)
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Posted by: nurse ratched
Whatever happens, tell the officials you were just trying to stop the threat and I'll be glad to answer questions when my attorney is present.
Whatever happens, tell the officials you were just trying to stop the threat and I'll be glad to answer questions when my attorney is present.
Posted by: rancherbob at January 26, 2025 09:49 PM (Khfp9)
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Dagnabit. TRex's keyboard is more zeroed than mine tonight.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:50 PM (v23vE)
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301 300!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:49 PM
300, 301...whatever works.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:49 PM
300, 301...whatever works.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2025 09:50 PM (Wnv9h)
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[Stands up from couch and points towards the kitchen]
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 09:50 PM (IQ6Gq)
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We can do this if we try.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 09:50 PM (Xnrdt)
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Hubby predicted 32-29 as a final for the game. He might be correct.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 26, 2025 09:37 PM (2NHgQ)
Wow! I hope he bet the farm!
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 26, 2025 09:37 PM (2NHgQ)
Wow! I hope he bet the farm!
Posted by: haffhowershower at January 26, 2025 09:51 PM (NMT5x)
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Bills have given up
Posted by: Skip at January 26, 2025 09:51 PM (fwDg9)
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dagnabit part deux - gonna be Chiefs-Eagles again
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:51 PM (v23vE)
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292 I do hope to attend the TXMOME, and meet you people.
Posted by: Scarymary at January 26, 2025 09:39 PM (MZsCp)
Just frigging do it. You'll have a blast.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 26, 2025 09:43 PM (VwHCD)
Endorsed.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:46 PM (v23vE)
I am totally attending. Hubby (who does not read here but loves guns) has said cool. I need to practice more with my firearms. Have some vision issues that made things all screwy. But I will endeavor to perservere!
Posted by: Scarymary at January 26, 2025 09:39 PM (MZsCp)
Just frigging do it. You'll have a blast.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 26, 2025 09:43 PM (VwHCD)
Endorsed.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:46 PM (v23vE)
I am totally attending. Hubby (who does not read here but loves guns) has said cool. I need to practice more with my firearms. Have some vision issues that made things all screwy. But I will endeavor to perservere!
Posted by: Scarymary at January 26, 2025 09:51 PM (MZsCp)
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305 [Stands up from couch and points towards the kitchen]
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 09:50 PM (IQ6Gq)
LOL. I understood that reference.
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 09:50 PM (IQ6Gq)
LOL. I understood that reference.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:51 PM (v23vE)
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How many to go?
I’ve already learned my one lesson tonight.
I’ve already learned my one lesson tonight.
Posted by: RI Red at January 26, 2025 09:51 PM (mMtti)
Posted by: Zombie John Lennon at January 26, 2025 09:51 PM (Wnv9h)
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Second, this technique does not work for a semi auto as interference with the slide guarantees a jam. You might get one shot off and that would be that.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 09:48 PM (ctrM5)
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That brings up another point - while there are now a few autoloaders that have a stop at the muzzle, in most cases, pressing an autoloader against someone will put it out of battery and it will be unable to fire. Revolvers do not have this problem, and any firearm discharged in contact will do exponentially more damage than its ballistics would indicate.
This is why the French special forces still love their revolvers.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 09:48 PM (ctrM5)
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That brings up another point - while there are now a few autoloaders that have a stop at the muzzle, in most cases, pressing an autoloader against someone will put it out of battery and it will be unable to fire. Revolvers do not have this problem, and any firearm discharged in contact will do exponentially more damage than its ballistics would indicate.
This is why the French special forces still love their revolvers.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 09:52 PM (ZOv7s)
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Wow, another Super Bowl I won't be watching. That'll make 5 in a row.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 26, 2025 09:48 PM (YIxO9)
Let me guess, Mr lets camp out with the ball instead of throwing it lost the game? The wife is watching, but every time i walked past the TV I see the QB trying to decide if he should throw the ball or shove it up his ass.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 26, 2025 09:48 PM (YIxO9)
Let me guess, Mr lets camp out with the ball instead of throwing it lost the game? The wife is watching, but every time i walked past the TV I see the QB trying to decide if he should throw the ball or shove it up his ass.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 26, 2025 09:52 PM (VwHCD)
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Ok. I’m coming back kinda late and close to the cutoff time
Fellow who owns the farm where I do most of my hunting is having severe eye trouble. Cataracts in both eyes and glaucoma has finally damaged his right eye enough that, in conjunction with the cataract, he cannot see to shoot right handed. Tough go - flew helicopters for the army for 34 years starting in Vietnam and up until last year, if he pulled the trigger, something went down.
Range time before the season opener, he couldn’t see the orange dot on a shoot’n’see past 30 yards. Left eye was better, but he’s afraid his hunting is done.
Opinions and advice solicited. He did see ok out of his left eye.
Fellow who owns the farm where I do most of my hunting is having severe eye trouble. Cataracts in both eyes and glaucoma has finally damaged his right eye enough that, in conjunction with the cataract, he cannot see to shoot right handed. Tough go - flew helicopters for the army for 34 years starting in Vietnam and up until last year, if he pulled the trigger, something went down.
Range time before the season opener, he couldn’t see the orange dot on a shoot’n’see past 30 yards. Left eye was better, but he’s afraid his hunting is done.
Opinions and advice solicited. He did see ok out of his left eye.
Posted by: Coelacanth at January 26, 2025 09:52 PM (+V4HG)
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[Stands up from couch and points towards the kitchen]
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 09:50 PM
Aren't you supposed to twerk or something, not just do disco moves?
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 09:50 PM
Aren't you supposed to twerk or something, not just do disco moves?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 09:52 PM (Xnrdt)
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We may have worn Weasel down over the years.
Posted by: rancherbob at January 26, 2025 09:35 PM (Khfp9)
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Sorry to abandon all y'all tonight. Trying to catch up on some work stuff!
Posted by: rancherbob at January 26, 2025 09:35 PM (Khfp9)
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Sorry to abandon all y'all tonight. Trying to catch up on some work stuff!
Posted by: Weasel at January 26, 2025 09:52 PM (iu4Pw)
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I am totally attending. Hubby (who does not read here but loves guns) has said cool. I need to practice more with my firearms. Have some vision issues that made things all screwy. But I will endeavor to perservere!
Posted by: Scarymary at January 26, 2025 09:51 PM (MZsCp)
You will learn more about many aspects of shooting than you ever thought possible, and get a chance to be assisted by generous folks who are also quite skilled in the art of shootin'.
Posted by: Scarymary at January 26, 2025 09:51 PM (MZsCp)
You will learn more about many aspects of shooting than you ever thought possible, and get a chance to be assisted by generous folks who are also quite skilled in the art of shootin'.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:53 PM (v23vE)
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I was dreading it was going to be the Chefs again
Posted by: Skip at January 26, 2025 09:53 PM (fwDg9)
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I need to practice more with my firearms. Have some vision issues that made things all screwy. But I will endeavor to perservere!
Posted by: Scarymary at January 26, 2025 09:51 PM
If the RMBS Mom can do it, you can!
Posted by: Scarymary at January 26, 2025 09:51 PM
If the RMBS Mom can do it, you can!
Posted by: Zombie John Lennon at January 26, 2025 09:53 PM (Wnv9h)
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KC again got the ref calls. The 4th down Buffalo got but didn't get and the reception on the INT were the obvious ones...
No calls went the Bills way...
Then again, maybe Philly is a mean enough city that refs won't feel good about giving KC all the hometown calls...
No calls went the Bills way...
Then again, maybe Philly is a mean enough city that refs won't feel good about giving KC all the hometown calls...
Posted by: Nova Local at January 26, 2025 09:53 PM (exHjb)
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I am totally attending. Hubby (who does not read here but loves guns) has said cool. I need to practice more with my firearms. Have some vision issues that made things all screwy. But I will endeavor to perservere!
Posted by: Scarymary at January 26, 2025 09:51 PM (MZsCp)
You will be forever changed. lol
Posted by: Scarymary at January 26, 2025 09:51 PM (MZsCp)
You will be forever changed. lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 26, 2025 09:53 PM (VwHCD)
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317 [Stands up from couch and points towards the kitchen]
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 09:50 PM
Aren't you supposed to twerk or something, not just do disco moves?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 09:52 PM
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Nah... Don't want Tom Landry to bench my ass.
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 09:50 PM
Aren't you supposed to twerk or something, not just do disco moves?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 09:52 PM
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Nah... Don't want Tom Landry to bench my ass.
Posted by: TRex at January 26, 2025 09:54 PM (IQ6Gq)
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299 The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in war.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
Tis true. I practiced reloading a snubbie with speed strips and speed loaders until I could do it easily when I carried a Model 60. You have 5 shots so you best make them count and if it doesn't, then you best be prepared to reload if you can. I usually carried a speedloader and a speed strip. To have 10 rounds in reserve.
With arthritis setting in, I went to single stack 9mm semi auto pistols for carry as easier to reload those with a spare mag.
Due to retirement, no longer out much and have went back to the snubbie with a speed strip.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
Tis true. I practiced reloading a snubbie with speed strips and speed loaders until I could do it easily when I carried a Model 60. You have 5 shots so you best make them count and if it doesn't, then you best be prepared to reload if you can. I usually carried a speedloader and a speed strip. To have 10 rounds in reserve.
With arthritis setting in, I went to single stack 9mm semi auto pistols for carry as easier to reload those with a spare mag.
Due to retirement, no longer out much and have went back to the snubbie with a speed strip.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 09:54 PM (ctrM5)
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Jewells is happy I bet
Posted by: Skip at January 26, 2025 09:54 PM (fwDg9)
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Damn, it. Off, dead Beatle sock!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2025 09:54 PM (Wnv9h)
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Inside a really, really big cannoli!
Posted by: andycanuck (5LoD7) at January 26, 2025 09:54 PM (5LoD7)
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Bills just can't seem to get over the hump.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 26, 2025 09:54 PM (mH6SG)
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Coelacanth, my wife just had cataract surgery on both eyes. It’s unbelievable.
Posted by: RI Red at January 26, 2025 09:54 PM (mMtti)
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I see the QB trying to decide if he should throw the ball or shove it up his ass.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division
He embraced the power of AND.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division
He embraced the power of AND.
Posted by: haffhowershower at January 26, 2025 09:54 PM (NMT5x)
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Made it in time for the tail end of the Gun thread. Woot. No shooting today, but I did drive my Studebaker.
And at the Phoenix gun show last weekend, I got a mag well adapter and 3 Colt stick magazines for my self-built AR-9. Loaded some snap-caps in a mag, and they seem to cycle OK. Champing at the bit to go to the range.
And at the Phoenix gun show last weekend, I got a mag well adapter and 3 Colt stick magazines for my self-built AR-9. Loaded some snap-caps in a mag, and they seem to cycle OK. Champing at the bit to go to the range.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 26, 2025 09:54 PM (8zz6B)
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Opinions and advice solicited. He did see ok out of his left eye.
Posted by: Coelacanth at January 26, 2025 09:52 PM (+V4HG)
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Is there any reason why the cataracts can't be worked on?
Posted by: Coelacanth at January 26, 2025 09:52 PM (+V4HG)
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Is there any reason why the cataracts can't be worked on?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 09:54 PM (ZOv7s)
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Range time before the season opener, he couldn’t see the orange dot on a shoot’n’see past 30 yards. Left eye was better, but he’s afraid his hunting is done.
Opinions and advice solicited. He did see ok out of his left eye.
Posted by: Coelacanth at January 26, 2025 09:52 PM (+V4HG)
Maybe have him take some lessons in cross-eye shooting? If the left eye is still good, he can leverage it to shoot right-handed.
Opinions and advice solicited. He did see ok out of his left eye.
Posted by: Coelacanth at January 26, 2025 09:52 PM (+V4HG)
Maybe have him take some lessons in cross-eye shooting? If the left eye is still good, he can leverage it to shoot right-handed.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:54 PM (v23vE)
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329 Bills just can't seem to get over the hump.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 26, 2025 09:54 PM (mH6SG)
It's hard to overcome the other team getting spotted 7-14 points in calls...
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 26, 2025 09:54 PM (mH6SG)
It's hard to overcome the other team getting spotted 7-14 points in calls...
Posted by: Nova Local at January 26, 2025 09:55 PM (exHjb)
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Opinions and advice solicited. He did see ok out of his left eye.
Posted by: Coelacanth at January 26, 2025 09:52 PM
Cataracts are very fixable. Not sure if glaucoma causes enough damage to moot that.
Open sights can be used with cross-eye dominance.
Posted by: Coelacanth at January 26, 2025 09:52 PM
Cataracts are very fixable. Not sure if glaucoma causes enough damage to moot that.
Open sights can be used with cross-eye dominance.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 26, 2025 09:55 PM (Xnrdt)
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Well, we've spared Weasel San an awkward phone call with the boss.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2025 09:56 PM (Wnv9h)
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Thank you, THANK YOU ALL!
Posted by: Weasel at January 26, 2025 09:56 PM (iu4Pw)
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I am totally attending. Hubby (who does not read here but loves guns) has said cool. I need to practice more with my firearms. Have some vision issues that made things all screwy. But I will endeavor to perservere!
Posted by: Scarymary
Please do not be self conscious about your shooting level. No one is there to judge you. Just come and have fun and meet people and if you would like some one on one instruction, that is totally doable. And the instruction is top notch.
But more than that. Put nics to faces. Get some hugs. Share a couple meals. And you will laugh.
Posted by: Scarymary
Please do not be self conscious about your shooting level. No one is there to judge you. Just come and have fun and meet people and if you would like some one on one instruction, that is totally doable. And the instruction is top notch.
But more than that. Put nics to faces. Get some hugs. Share a couple meals. And you will laugh.
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 26, 2025 09:56 PM (KDgJ1)
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Comment count is in excess of the Food Thread, and the ONT is not yet nood ...
Weasel, man, we did it!
Weasel, man, we did it!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:56 PM (v23vE)
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what model was it..
Posted by: rancherbob at January 26, 2025 09:57 PM (Khfp9)
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Is there any reason why the cataracts can't be worked on?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 09:54 PM (ZOv7s)
In china we worky on all the round eye luxury vehicles, even the cataracts.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 09:54 PM (ZOv7s)
In china we worky on all the round eye luxury vehicles, even the cataracts.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 26, 2025 09:57 PM (VwHCD)
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Coelacanth, my wife just had cataract surgery on both eyes. It’s unbelievable.
Posted by: RI Red at January 26, 2025 09:54 PM
Truth. The RMBS Mom had that done a few years back. She was amazed at the result.
Posted by: RI Red at January 26, 2025 09:54 PM
Truth. The RMBS Mom had that done a few years back. She was amazed at the result.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2025 09:57 PM (Wnv9h)
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Left eye was better, but he’s afraid his hunting is done.
Opinions and advice solicited. He did see ok out of his left eye.
Posted by: Coelacanth
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That is tough. Possibly a very big and bright red dot prismatic scope cowitnessed with iron sights might work for hunting at short range.
XS Sights with their Big Dot express design sights for handguns.
Opinions and advice solicited. He did see ok out of his left eye.
Posted by: Coelacanth
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That is tough. Possibly a very big and bright red dot prismatic scope cowitnessed with iron sights might work for hunting at short range.
XS Sights with their Big Dot express design sights for handguns.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 09:57 PM (ctrM5)
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Thank you Horde! I look forward to seeing you at TXMOME.
Posted by: Scarymary at January 26, 2025 09:57 PM (MZsCp)
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In china we worky on all the round eye luxury vehicles, even the cataracts.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 26, 2025 09:57 PM (VwHCD)
spit take
Bers, you owe me a new keyboard!
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 26, 2025 09:57 PM (VwHCD)
spit take
Bers, you owe me a new keyboard!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:58 PM (v23vE)
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Good night folks. Got nuttin to say on ball games.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2025 09:58 PM (ctrM5)
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Thank you Horde! I look forward to seeing you at TXMOME.
Posted by: Scarymary at January 26, 2025 09:57 PM
*TXMoMe fistbump*
Posted by: Scarymary at January 26, 2025 09:57 PM
*TXMoMe fistbump*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2025 09:59 PM (Wnv9h)
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All y'all are the best. Thanks for being here. 'Nite!
Posted by: Weasel at January 26, 2025 09:59 PM (iu4Pw)
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Aaaand, I'm out. Talk with y'all tomorrow.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 26, 2025 09:59 PM (Wnv9h)
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332 Made it in time for the tail end of the Gun thread. Woot. No shooting today, but I did drive my Studebaker.
what model was it..
what model was it..
Posted by: rancherbob at January 26, 2025 10:00 PM (Khfp9)
352
Whoops! The chines are sounding. Thanks, Weasel!
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 10:00 PM (ZOv7s)
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Welcome to the club! At least you have access to Chinese stuff denied to the rest of us. Weird that Castreau won't stop Chicom gun imports.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 07:29 PM (ZOv7s)
Chinese are so far up Castreau's ass, they use his tonsils for speed bags.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 26, 2025 07:29 PM (ZOv7s)
Chinese are so far up Castreau's ass, they use his tonsils for speed bags.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 26, 2025 10:00 PM (8zz6B)
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You always want a happy little weasel.
Posted by: zombie Bob Ross at January 26, 2025 10:00 PM (Xnrdt)
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spit take
Bers, you owe me a new keyboard!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:58 PM (v23vE)
Well at least you got the joke lol
Bers, you owe me a new keyboard!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 26, 2025 09:58 PM (v23vE)
Well at least you got the joke lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 26, 2025 10:00 PM (VwHCD)
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Nite, weasel. All good.
Posted by: RI Red at January 26, 2025 10:02 PM (mMtti)
357
Boom
Posted by: Scarymary at January 26, 2025 10:05 PM (MZsCp)
Posted by: haffhowershower at January 26, 2025 10:07 PM (NMT5x)
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296 Wow, another Super Bowl I won't be watching. That'll make 5 in a row.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 26, 2025 09:48 PM (YIxO9)
I'm bumping up on 20.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 26, 2025 09:48 PM (YIxO9)
I'm bumping up on 20.
Posted by: Eromero at January 26, 2025 10:11 PM (LHPAg)
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what model was it..
Posted by: rancherbob at January 26, 2025 10:00 PM (Khfp9)
A 1960 4-door Lark. six cylinder, 3 on the tree. With overdrive. It ran like a pup. 65 mph on the freeway, and I could still hear the tunes on the stereo.
Posted by: rancherbob at January 26, 2025 10:00 PM (Khfp9)
A 1960 4-door Lark. six cylinder, 3 on the tree. With overdrive. It ran like a pup. 65 mph on the freeway, and I could still hear the tunes on the stereo.
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