Gun Thread: T-Minus 17 Hours Edition!

MAGA, Bitches!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Sweet Holy Jumping Atomic Shitballs! Do I need to say it? Do I need to remind you of the glorious event happening in a mere 17 hours? That's right, hombres and hombrettes, PDT once again takes the oath of office tomorrow at noon! Suck on that, liberals!! Feel free to discuss the rebirth of America and it's founding ideals in the comments, particularly as it relates to guns, ammo and our 2nd Amendment as we celebrate this final Gun Thread under the failed regime of The Retard.

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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FUNdamentals
OK, so what have you done to incorporate a focus on fundamentals into your range time? Is this something you do as an afterthought (bad), or do you arrive at the range with a specific plan in mind (good)? As you engage targets, are you specifically focused on some element of stance, grip, trigger mechanics and sight alignment, or rather are you simply pointing for the middle and hoping things work out? Let's assume you believe, as you should, that accurate shooting results from the application of proper fundamentals, then why on the planet of the Earth would you be focused on anything else? Or worse, nothing at all? I mean, you have to be thinking about something, right? Why not make it something useful and productive to the task at hand? I swear I am not making this up, but every time I pull the trigger, i am focused on one of these fundamentals.

I have to say I am also somewhat mystified by shooters who will send 50 or 100 rounds at a single paper target during a range session and expect to get any usable feedback as a result. Focus on your fundamentals while you are shooting and study your targets to see if it's working. Take notes. Write on the targets regarding what you were doing (right or wrong) and what you think may be causing you problems. Use inexpensive targets and use a lot of them. My favorite indoor target is a plain sheet of copier paper with a one inch sticky dot in the center. Some people use paper plates, and that's fine too. I usually change targets at each reload, and before I run another target downrange, spend a few moments analyzing the one just used.

Analysis is key and you have to study what you are doing, right or wrong, before trying to implement changes to fix things. Don't just come home toeing the dirt after a lousy range performance in front of the range babes, give yourself the tools to do something about it!

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Bonus FUNdamental!

Gun safety is a fundamental, too! A successful day at the range includes not inadvertently shooting yourself or someone else.

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Gun Cleaning

I have heard some people do it.

OK, you're part of this cleaning fad. Which product do you use? This is pretty interesting.

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Manufacturing the Model of 1917

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Shooting Steel

Hickok45 discusses steel target safety. Do you shoot steel?

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B-17 Starting Procedures

Last week we fixed a propeller, so now it's time to start the engines.

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Our Pal the Magnetar

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Highway Patrol
Lady Bandits are the best!

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The Day Mars Invaded Earth!

With all the UFOs buzzing around lately, let's see what an invasion really looks like.

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Musical Interlude

No introduction necessary.

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

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1 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at January 19, 2025 07:00 PM (fwDg9)

2 Boom!

Posted by: TRex at January 19, 2025 07:01 PM (IQ6Gq)

3 Shooting Steel
Hickok45 discusses steel target safety. Do you shoot steel?

Wish my yard was big enough to.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 19, 2025 07:02 PM (/lPRQ)

4 Guns out!

Posted by: GWB at January 19, 2025 07:02 PM (hzHvq)

5 One appropriate for considering our Republic and the fight for freedom:
http://tiny.cc/pkj6001

Posted by: GWB at January 19, 2025 07:04 PM (hzHvq)

6 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 07:04 PM (AiJK3)

7 A Merry Trumpmas to all.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 19, 2025 07:05 PM (m2tXK)

8
Outstanding vids Weasel.. Bless!

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at January 19, 2025 07:05 PM (jQ+5q)

9 I follow Project Farm's advice pretty closely, and discovered Clensoil very difficult to find, even in my SC town where there is literally a dozen gun stores.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov, now, where does a war hero get some lubrication around here? at January 19, 2025 07:06 PM (wBaIH)

10 woohoo!

even though it's gonna be colder'n hell tomorrow I feel like going out somewhere I can bust a few caps around noon to celebrate

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 19, 2025 07:07 PM (uX4GZ)

11 I clean my guns whenever Weasel cleans his guns.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 19, 2025 07:07 PM (qvqLl)

12 Bang!

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at January 19, 2025 07:07 PM (QGaXH)

13 Very relieved the inauguration will be indoors.

Don’t care how cold it gets in Buttcrack South Dakota.

Posted by: Going deep. Out. at January 19, 2025 07:07 PM (hMVQ3)

14 oh, I love that one of the cans I see on that bench up above is Kroil!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 19, 2025 07:08 PM (uX4GZ)

15 I am more worried about security tomorrow

Posted by: Skip at January 19, 2025 07:08 PM (fwDg9)

16 I clean my guns whenever Weasel cleans his guns.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 19, 2025 07:07 PM (qvqLl)
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Right there's your problem!

Posted by: Weasel at January 19, 2025 07:10 PM (iu4Pw)

17 yeah, better security is the best part of using the Rotunda.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 19, 2025 07:10 PM (uX4GZ)

18 No introduction necessary.

ZZ Top still brings a wicked smile to my 29 year-old pie hole. Thanks for the gub, Weasel!

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 19, 2025 07:11 PM (mH6SG)

19 Hello Fellow Gub Lovers!!!

Not much happened in my world. Have the day off tomorrow and will watch the Inauguration and laugh at all the liberals. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 19, 2025 07:11 PM (0XVad)

20 Good evening.

Thanks again for the thread, Weasel!

Yes, I shoot steel. Generally, though, it's with rifle and the minimum distance is about 200 yards.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 19, 2025 07:12 PM (tT6L1)

21 I have a new girl: Shūfēn

https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjBYJLR

and a request for ideas. I still need to pin the FSB on this T65. I very much like rifles to be as close to zeroed for windage as I can get then and I have a method that I use for M16s where I dimple the barrel using a jig and then thread the hole under the swivel for a set screw. This lines it up perfect and holds it steady while I drill.

Unfortunately this rifle has some asian way of drilling the gas hole in the FSB because there is no hole under the swivel. There is a plug on the top like a gas regulator so I figured they can in that way but even cleaning out the hole and stabbing down with increasingly small wires has not found one.

Right now I have the FSB aligned by matching up the flat top of the block with the flat surface under the rear sight. I think this will work but am entertaining ideas on doing it better.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 19, 2025 07:12 PM (m2tXK)

22 Thanks for the GT Weasel!

It's going to take a bit longer to get through the content!

Off topic:
Canadian AOP gave us an alert that a local brewery is having an Inauguration Celebration (or it'll be just us cheering). The best Canadians are snow bird Canadians!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 19, 2025 07:12 PM (SK2fc)

23 Although the ceremony is outside, I bet DJT will get out of the motorcade at least once and walk part of the route.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at January 19, 2025 07:12 PM (dYCz7)

24 I can still hear Sergeant Major Barton saying "You aren't leaving until I say that M-16 is clean, cadets."

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 07:12 PM (AiJK3)

25 Inside. Inside, dammit!

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at January 19, 2025 07:13 PM (dYCz7)

26 Hello Fellow Gub Lovers!!!

Not much happened in my world. Have the day off tomorrow and will watch the Inauguration and laugh at all the liberals. :-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 19, 2025 07:11 PM (0XVad)

Do they still use fire trucks to disperse rioters? It could make it interesting if the screamers show up tomorrow, in the cold.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at January 19, 2025 07:13 PM (VNX3d)

27 Good to see some Texans featured in the GT Musical Interlude!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 19, 2025 07:13 PM (a3Q+t)

28 Yay Gun Thread!

Did anyone see Kel-Tec's new 5.7mm clip-fed handgun?! It's a modern take on the 1912 Steyr-Hahn.

Totally foxes a bunch of gun laws, I bet.

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 07:13 PM (ZOv7s)

29 Hello gun horde.

Anyone have any experience with BUL Armory?

Posted by: Pete Bog at January 19, 2025 07:14 PM (/Elj1)

30 Unfortunately, I cannot completely shake this flu bug. Almost, just not entirely. So, no range time which makes for a sad Grateful. But at least I got to watch PDT at Arlington and later at the rally today, and then there are events tomorrow! My goal is to return to the range by Sunday - or I may have to consider making a Drs appt (heaven forbid, I'm sure it won't come to that!)

Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at January 19, 2025 07:15 PM (IQ6Gq)

31 Howdy

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at January 19, 2025 07:16 PM (sAmhv)

32 I can still hear Sergeant Major Barton saying "You aren't leaving until I say that M-16 is clean, cadets."
Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 07:12 PM (AiJK3)
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In many ways, I was not a particularly good soldier. Third-time go on the rifle range, for example. However, I was meticulous in my rifle cleaning. After grilling me at final inspection, the Brigade Command Sergeant Major gave my rifle the white glove treatment, and to the delight of my drill sergeants, said "Damn, that's a clean rifle!"

Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 07:16 PM (ZOv7s)

33 While it looks like tomorrow will bring us all free Bubble-Up and buckets of Rainbow Stew, I'm going to keep building up the inventory. A spare AR doesn't take up too much space and it doesn't eat much either.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at January 19, 2025 07:16 PM (/COf6)

34 CLP video was interesting. Some subjective but a lot of attempts to establish and run objective tests. I'm presuming that most get started with one brand and go with it for lack of a strong reason to switch. Some brands in the test that I've never heard of.

Posted by: TRex at January 19, 2025 07:18 PM (IQ6Gq)

35 Very relieved the inauguration will be indoors.

Don’t care how cold it gets in Buttcrack South Dakota.
Posted by: Going deep. Out. at January 19, 2025 07:07 PM (hMVQ3)
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Wind chill in my corner of Michigan is 0. Tomorrow will be colder. I think the high temperature is 3.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 07:18 PM (ZOv7s)

36 Grateful, sorry to hear you are fighting the crud.

Posted by: Ben Had at January 19, 2025 07:19 PM (oT+t6)

37 Do they still use fire trucks to disperse rioters? It could make it interesting if the screamers show up tomorrow, in the cold.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at January 19, 2025 07:13 PM (VNX3d)

I thought the po-po had specialized riot control vehicles equipped with sprayer nozzles and 1000-gallon water tanks to do that stuff. Those things are armored too. FD trucks aren't.

For JFK's inauguration, the Army brought in a company of combat engineers to clear Pennsylvania Avenue of the snow and ice with flamethrowers.

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 07:19 PM (AiJK3)

38 CLP video was interesting. Some subjective but a lot of attempts to establish and run objective tests. I'm presuming that most get started with one brand and go with it for lack of a strong reason to switch. Some brands in the test that I've never heard of.
Posted by: TRex at January 19, 2025 07:18 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Odor is a major factor in my work. My wife can't stand Hoppe's so I shifted the Break-Free CLP (which I used in Basic). A friend turned me onto Ballistol, and I like it, but it does have a smell, so I use it when the windows are open.

Nice thing about Ballistol, it preserves wood and you can use it to remove those white rings from your wood furniture.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 07:20 PM (ZOv7s)

39 I managed to find a .PDF file of Bill Jordan's "No Second Place Winner." Can't afford to buy a hardcopy until i win the Powerball. Some of it is dated, but still a great read. Man, could that feller shoot! If you've never read it and are into the old timer gun greats, I highly recommend it.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at January 19, 2025 07:20 PM (dYCz7)

40 Gun cleaning, Hoppes, CLP with hi temp grease and synthetic oil to lube after.

I sort of assume I'm doing something right, because the Kimber continues to run, even after extended time in the holster.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 19, 2025 07:22 PM (tT6L1)

41 Thanks for the Gun Thread, Weasel!

I clean my pistols after every range trip, unless I shot fewer than 50 rounds out of a particular pistol. I like doing it; it gets me more involved with the gun, and I just like them to be clean and properly lubricated.

I completely agree about analyzing shots by looking at the targets afterwards. I try to keep notes, partly about distance and which gun and ammo choices, but also about what I was working on and what worked and I need to keep doing more of. I've been using these 12 x 18 targets with 6 target circles, so I don't constantly have to put up new targets.

Mrs. Splunge got me a system for tracking your shooting called Mantis. You attach a doohickey to your gun, and it tracks where the motions are, somehow. In my case, it showed me that the muzzle would dip a bit as I started to focus on pulling the trigger. It wasn't that I was pushing or anticipating; I was just letting it drop out of divided attention. So I'm trying to learn not to do that, and slowly improving. Now I mostly only do it when I'm tiring out at the end of a range session.

Posted by: Splunge at January 19, 2025 07:22 PM (afZ9r)

42 Did anyone see Kel-Tec's new 5.7mm clip-fed handgun?! It's a modern take on the 1912 Steyr-Hahn.

Totally foxes a bunch of gun laws, I bet.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 07:13 PM (ZOv7s)

Oooooooooh.

*Begins Christmas wish list

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at January 19, 2025 07:24 PM (OX9vb)

43 ALERT!! Via Democratic Underground, I just learned of a very disturbing trend in society today:

"There is a small but noticeable trend of parents using weapons-inspired - and, more broadly, aggressive - names for their sons," Sophie Kihm, the editor-in-chief at the website Nameberry, told HuffPost. “Many of these names first appeared on the baby name charts in the 2000s, including Wesson, Caliber, Shooter and Trigger."

Weapon-inspired monikers that parents have chosen in recent years also include Blade and Cannon, as well as brand-related names like Remington, Colt, Ruger and Winchester. Arson, Cutter and Dagger are among the other names with a violent edge in recent data from the Social Security Administration.

According to Kihm, "Weapons-inspired names convey masculinity without being traditional male names. They are at once undeniably masculine and extremely modern. We associate weapons with men and masculinity, so these parents might have more conservative values around gender."

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 19, 2025 07:24 PM (a3Q+t)

44 Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at January 19, 2025 07:15 PM (IQ6Gq)

Grateful, I hope you feel better. But if you have snap caps for your weapon of choice in hand, your sick time needn't be a complete waste. Load up your snap caps (after clearing your weapon safely, of course), point it in a pre-determined safe direction, and practice your trigger squeeze.

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 07:25 PM (AiJK3)

45 Crud...yes, that's the perfect name for it BH. I get sick once every 6-7 years, and it lasts a couple weeks when I get sick. Last time was 2018...I'm figuring this holds me til 2031-2. If it actually ends before then.....just building all those happy little antibodies....

Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at January 19, 2025 07:25 PM (IQ6Gq)

46 Hi weasel! Thank you for the thread

Range report.

Took the baby Colt out and ran 50 rounds through her. Worked like a champ. I do need to figure out the front sight. It is hard for me to see well.

Then ran 50 rounds through the Ronin. Big difference in accuracy. I think it's due to the more visible sights AND I've run about 1500 rounds through the Ronin and only a hundred or so through the Colt.

I did notice that my trigger pull did not change. Straight back, smooth and methodical. One pull per second.

Good day at the range.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at January 19, 2025 07:26 PM (mT+6a)

47 44/ great suggestion Ed....If I were awake. I've been Rip Van Winkle for the past few weeks.

Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at January 19, 2025 07:27 PM (IQ6Gq)

48 "There is a small but noticeable trend of parents using weapons-inspired - and, more broadly, aggressive - names for their sons,"

Posted by: A boy named Featherlight at January 19, 2025 07:28 PM (vFG9F)

49 I bet DJT will get out of the motorcade at least once and walk part of the route.

I am so looking forward to seeing him in that garbage truck.
You KNOW he's going to do it.

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at January 19, 2025 07:28 PM (zdLoL)

50 14 oh, I love that one of the cans I see on that bench up above is Kroil!
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I like Kroil as a penetrating oil and rust remover. PB Blaster though has given good service as well; it just seems to take a little longer and a bit more.

FWIW, they now have Kroil with silicone. Have no idea what that is for.

An irritant if you ever rust blue or cold blue spots on a firearm, you will get splotchy results if a silicone lube has been used. Don't care much for etching the metal again with an acid to get the blue to take.

Prior use of one of the lightweight CLP types (that did contain silicone) did produce some spectacular results on an old Krag Sideplate with Oxpho Blue--came out looking like it was case hardened with swirling straw and violet colors. Accidental but pretty.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 07:29 PM (ctrM5)

51 I’m here.
But I need a ruling from the Judges - Am I Tardy or Late?

Posted by: RI Red - will work for table scraps at January 19, 2025 07:29 PM (ssxQz)

52 I was starting to have the idea that I was almost good with my 9mm pistols, and got quite the humiliation when I pulled out my neglected .45.

Now I'm working on tuning my grip. Again. Always takes me a long time to adjust to grip changes, but it has to be done. In this case, it's about increasing tightness, which also turned out to really improve second-shot performance with the 9mm.

Posted by: Splunge at January 19, 2025 07:29 PM (afZ9r)

53 Would love to have to clean a gun. Haven't had a moving around here in 6 months.

Posted by: Ben Had at January 19, 2025 07:30 PM (oT+t6)

54 I keep CLP in my range box because I can't count the number of times that a gun has run rough, people ponder why, I dump CLP into it, and then it runs fine.

In using surplus arms, I've been known to have it washing out of the action, bringing hot sludge with it, smoking out of the barrel.

Often, people clean and oil, but forget that dry conditions create, uh, dryness. Lube is your pal.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 07:30 PM (ZOv7s)

55 A boy named Featherlight at January 19, 2025 07:28 PM

Those of us who share your name have become quite collectable.

Posted by: Winchester M70s at January 19, 2025 07:30 PM (a3Q+t)

56 I didn't send Weasel a cigar report because I was working over one I've reported on before. A Romeo & Julieta 1875. It was typically awesome. My Go To cigar.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 19, 2025 07:30 PM (W/lyH)

57 Gun safety is a fundamental, too! A successful day at the range includes not inadvertently shooting yourself or someone else.
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How about shooting in the general direction of Tannerite canisters 5 yards away right next to the paper-plate targets??

We didn't cover that in my licensing safety courses.

Posted by: andycanuck (5LoD7) at January 19, 2025 07:30 PM (5LoD7)

58 Took the baby Colt out and ran 50 rounds through her. Worked like a champ. I do need to figure out the front sight. It is hard for me to see well.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at January 19, 2025 07:26 PM (mT+6a)
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Which Colt is this? I've been out of things for a bit.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 07:32 PM (ZOv7s)

59 I’m here.
But I need a ruling from the Judges - Am I Tardy or Late?
Posted by: RI Red - will work for table scraps at January 19, 2025 07:29 PM

Wrong question. The correct question is "Have I accreted yet another mark in my Permanent Record?"

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 19, 2025 07:32 PM (a3Q+t)

60 RIRED. Identify as a Wizard and you will aways show up precisely when you plan to.

Posted by: Ben Had at January 19, 2025 07:32 PM (oT+t6)

61 39 I managed to find a .PDF file of Bill Jordan's "No Second Place Winner." Can't afford to buy a hardcopy until i win the Powerball. Some of it is dated, but still a great read. Man, could that feller shoot! If you've never read it and are into the old timer gun greats, I highly recommend it.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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Ed McGivern's book is also excellent if you are a revolver shooter. Bill Jordan, by all accounts of people who knew him, was really a likable and skilled professional shooter that just happened to work for law enforcement most of his life.

Jordan excelled at gun competitions but unlike a lot of others, he did it when the stakes were high on the job. Good book. Thanks for the reminder. as now I will have to reread mine.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 07:33 PM (ctrM5)

62 Among the MANY blessings of having Mrs. JTB in my life, she likes the aroma of Hoppe's 9. Guess I was born lucky.

Posted by: JTB at January 19, 2025 07:33 PM (yTvNw)

63 According to Kihm, "Weapons-inspired names convey masculinity without being traditional male names. They are at once undeniably masculine and extremely modern. We associate weapons with men and masculinity, so these parents might have more conservative values around gender."
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 19, 2025 07:24 PM (a3Q+t)
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This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: Tsar Bomba at January 19, 2025 07:33 PM (ZOv7s)

64 I found in Army Basic it was much easier to not shoot 40 out of 40.
People get weird. Nobody liked some Private coming along and shooting better than they ever could. So I relegated myself to 39 out of 40. Still Expert but not perfect. I'd not shoot at the first 300 yard target and save the round for if I needed it. Got caught too being rodded off the range when I forgot to launch the last one at the end. The look on the DS's face when I got 39 and had one left was priceless. The pushups were still painful at that point too.
I'd been shooting AR's for about 3 years before I went in but I didn't tell them that.

Posted by: Reforger at January 19, 2025 07:33 PM (xcIvR)

65 *Begins Christmas wish list
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at January 19, 2025 07:24 PM (OX9vb)

MSRP is $399 on the Kel-Tec website. Can't complain about that. Only question is whether it's reliable.

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 07:33 PM (AiJK3)

66 You attach a doohickey to your gun, and it tracks where the motions are

I'm a believer. They were horribly expensive when they first came out, but the kid was headed for the big time and we got a deal somehow. It's not just a diagnostic; after you learn to use the charting, it acts like an alpha-wave feedback, and you start to recognize and sense movements (or the lack of them) that you more or less could not sense before. A terrific training tool for the "mental side of the game." Make sure you look at the pre- and post- sections too. A lot happens there.

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at January 19, 2025 07:34 PM (zdLoL)

67 But I need a ruling from the Judges - Am I Tardy or Late?
Posted by: RI Red - will work for table scraps at January 19, 2025 07:29 PM (ssxQz)
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And. tardy AND late.

Posted by: Weasel at January 19, 2025 07:34 PM (iu4Pw)

68 I’m here.
But I need a ruling from the Judges - Am I Tardy or Late?
Posted by: RI Red - will work for table scraps at January 19, 2025 07:29 PM (ssxQz)
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Obligatory: "I don't feel tardy."

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 07:34 PM (ZOv7s)

69 Good article on gun lubricants:

https://tinyurl.com/4tjzfdus

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 19, 2025 07:36 PM (a3Q+t)

70 Thanks for the Gun Thread Weasel! God Bless America!

Posted by: DBCooper at January 19, 2025 07:36 PM (y1Mvi)

71 I learned a bit of etymology today.

"Under the gun" is an idiom for being under pressure. However, the original meaning has to do with a military advance getting inside the minimum range of artillery. If the enemy doesn't have artillery that can be deflected to a horizontal position, there is only so close they can fire. (Yes, you could crank the angle UP, but that gets ... imprecise, to say the least, and the guys in the trenches will not appreciate it.) So, any advance that gets close enough is said to be "under the guns."

I learned this because I watched a video (rom a movie) of the cavalry charge at Beersheeba in 1917. The movie is called "The Lighthorsemen" and was made in 1987, as part of a bunch of Aussie war movies (including "Gallipoli" with Mel Gibson). Three miles is a loooooong attack over open ground, but several things broke their way.

Posted by: GWB at January 19, 2025 07:36 PM (hzHvq)

72 great suggestion Ed....If I were awake. I've been Rip Van Winkle for the past few weeks.
Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at January 19, 2025 07:27 PM (IQ6Gq)

Yeah, resting up is more important.

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 07:37 PM (AiJK3)

73 54 I keep CLP in my range box because I can't count the number of times that a gun has run rough, people ponder why, I dump CLP into it, and then it runs fine.

In using surplus arms, I've been known to have it washing out of the action, bringing hot sludge with it, smoking out of the barrel.

Often, people clean and oil, but forget that dry conditions create, uh, dryness. Lube is your pal.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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My CLP use came from Uncle Sam. During annual qualifications, we always seemed to have to clean the MTU's dirty weapons to demonstrate proficiency first, then shoot, and then clean our own shot weapons.

It isn't the best lube, it isn't the best cleaner nor solvent, but it is good enough for range use on modern semi auto pistols or AR's.

I don't use it on my shotguns, revolvers, and collectibles.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 07:37 PM (ctrM5)

74 Refs are letting them play

Posted by: Accomack at January 19, 2025 07:37 PM (GxmKP)

75 MSRP is $399 on the Kel-Tec website. Can't complain about that. Only question is whether it's reliable.
Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 07:33 PM (AiJK3)
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Most issues with reliability are caused by magazines - either a failure to insert properly or poor quality control.

A clip-fed pistol, should eliminate this, and this is why the Austrians decided to stay with clips in the Steyr-Hahn.

Having shot one, I'm going to say they are the ne plus ultra of steampunk pistols. Looks like a Colt 1903, had a cross-bar for disassembly, loaded via clip, rotary barrel, esoteric caliber.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 07:37 PM (ZOv7s)

76 43"...Weapon-inspired monikers that parents have chosen in recent years also include Blade and Cannon, as well as brand-related names like Remington, Colt, Ruger and Winchester. Arson, Cutter and Dagger are among the other names with a violent edge in recent data from the Social Security Administration."

I see a lot of names in my line of work. Have seen a few Remingtons, Rugers, and Colts.

I am not fond of Garotte.

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at January 19, 2025 07:37 PM (OX9vb)

77 Wrong question. The correct question is "Have I accreted yet another mark in my Permanent Record?"
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 19, 2025 07:32 PM (a3Q+t)

DThrax, I was slowly working up to that . . .

Posted by: RI Red - will work for table scraps at January 19, 2025 07:37 PM (ssxQz)

78 Beretta fans? I have a 92X RDO Compact - wifey got me a red dot (well, green actually, Holosun C, ACSS ) for Christmas, so got one of the Dlah low-profile plates for it. Fit together perfectly - now just need a trip to zeroize it. May go to an indoor range for that next weekend - going to be frigid here for the next week.

Posted by: MD_Mike at January 19, 2025 07:38 PM (BouEL)

79 And, with the 1000 yard range report. First, though, a side trip. The day before, I headed out to check on some stuff I'd loaded. ES was okay but not great, darn it. But, from an accuracy standpoint @ 200 yards, the loads were lights out. But, 200 yards isn't 1,000 yards.

So, on to the match and, it went about like I expected, badly. 83 and a last place. I couldn't get the wind dialed plus, the wind decreased during the period of time I was shooting. To almost 0. I realize now I made a couple of bad choices while shooting which cost me. One was elevation. Elevation was between clicks on the scope. I elected to stay low, under the cross hairs, rather than high and having to hold just down a bit. The other was sighter shot which basically went where I had the rifle pointed while trying to correct for the wind. Instead of just staying on that spot, which was guaranteed to keep me inside the 8 ring, at worst, I thought I'd try to get set up better, which meant I wound up throwing lead all over the place. Live and learn.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 19, 2025 07:38 PM (tT6L1)

80 DBCooper, have you been working the CA fires?

Posted by: Ben Had at January 19, 2025 07:38 PM (oT+t6)

81 Did anyone see Kel-Tec's new 5.7mm clip-fed handgun?! It's a modern take on the 1912 Steyr-Hahn.

Totally foxes a bunch of gun laws, I bet.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 07:13 PM (ZOv7s)

Oooooooooh.

*Begins Christmas wish list
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs!

Google, google... Bing!

Kel-Tec PR57
MSRP $399

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 19, 2025 07:38 PM (/lPRQ)

82 I remember so frequently posting that we'd prevail in this challenge as we have in so many others. And we did. this wasn't the end of it, perhaps the end of the beginning, more likely. I fully understand the enormity of the task ahead, though, and hope my life span is gonna be sufficient to see the victory.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at January 19, 2025 07:38 PM (hKoQL)

83 RIRED. Identify as a Wizard and you will aways show up precisely when you plan to.
Posted by: Ben Had at January 19, 2025 07:32 PM (oT+t6)

Oh.
For some reason I had chosen “gizzard”. Must have been the food thread.

Posted by: RI Red - will work for table scraps at January 19, 2025 07:40 PM (ssxQz)

84 Hi Ben Had! No, One King Air is in Wing Inspection and the other King Air is in AR getting a new paint job.

Posted by: DBCooper at January 19, 2025 07:40 PM (y1Mvi)

85 Which Colt is this? I've been out of things for a bit.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd

It's a Colt Mark IV in .380. 1911 platform

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at January 19, 2025 07:41 PM (mT+6a)

86 Did anyone see Kel-Tec's new 5.7mm clip-fed handgun?! It's a modern take on the 1912 Steyr-Hahn.
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https://tinyurl.com/5fnbau89
1912

https://tinyurl.com/46n2zdty
2025

Posted by: andycanuck (5LoD7) at January 19, 2025 07:41 PM (5LoD7)

87 Beretta fans? I have a 92X RDO Compact - wifey got me a red dot (well, green actually, Holosun C, ACSS ) for Christmas, so got one of the Dlah low-profile plates for it. Fit together perfectly - now just need a trip to zeroize it. May go to an indoor range for that next weekend - going to be frigid here for the next week.
Posted by: MD_Mike at January 19, 2025 07:38 PM (BouEL)
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I am not a fan of the M9. I want to be clear about that. I bought one to practice for the Governor's 20 which Whitmer than cancelled. So I sold it as part of my retirement purge. *pauses to calm down*

That being said, I think Beretta makes some sweet pieces of machinery and a product-improved Beretta was a natural choice to keep as the sidearm. It's increasingly looking like SIG-Sauer paid off a bunch of procurement people.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 07:41 PM (ZOv7s)

88 Good evening, Ben Had! Hope things are well on your end of the Union.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 19, 2025 07:41 PM (tT6L1)

89 There is a small but noticeable trend of parents using weapons-inspired - and, more broadly, aggressive - names for their sons

'Trebuchet' has air of sophistication to it, don't you think?

Posted by: t-bird at January 19, 2025 07:42 PM (uDISK)

90 Did anyone see Kel-Tec's new 5.7mm clip-fed handgun?! It's a modern take on the 1912 Steyr-Hahn.

Totally foxes a bunch of gun laws, I bet.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
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Would screw up failure drills instructors like to do if you took one to training. No tap. Only rack and bang. Double feeds though might require disassembly to remedy.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 07:42 PM (ctrM5)

91 "There is a small but noticeable trend of parents using weapons-inspired - and, more broadly, aggressive - names for their sons,"

Wait, I thought assuming genders was bad.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 19, 2025 07:42 PM (/y8xj)

92 blake, all is well. Already counting days to collect my hug

Posted by: Ben Had at January 19, 2025 07:43 PM (oT+t6)

93

Engine start vid. Hard to believe that we turned out WWII aircraft at the rate that we did. Damned complex machines, 13,000 B-17's alone.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 19, 2025 07:43 PM (XeU6L)

94 Posted by: DBCooper at January 19, 2025 07:40 PM (y1Mvi)
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My dad flew the S-2F and P-2V for the Navy. Are those still being used in firefighting?

Posted by: Weasel at January 19, 2025 07:44 PM (iu4Pw)

95 Hiya DBCooper!

*waves*

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at January 19, 2025 07:44 PM (mT+6a)

96 90 Did anyone see Kel-Tec's new 5.7mm clip-fed handgun?! It's a modern take on the 1912 Steyr-Hahn.

Totally foxes a bunch of gun laws, I bet.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd
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Would screw up failure drills instructors like to do if you took one to training. No tap. Only rack and bang. Double feeds though might require disassembly to remedy.
Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 07:42 PM (ctrM5)
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It's only a matter of time before somebody shows up to one of my classes with one of these, but Lord help me, I REALLY want one...

Posted by: Pennsyltucky at January 19, 2025 07:44 PM (QdGJh)

97 Alright, let's get serious.

The current FT comment count is 396. We failed Weasel-san miserably last week. Although Weasel is too manly to complain like a busted Antifa b*tch, scuttlebutt is that the traditional 0700 hrs Zoom call from Ace was particularly brutal and unremitting.

Let's not subject him to that two weeks in a row. Comment copiously for Weasel's mental health. Comment copiously so that FSJ doesn't have to howl piteously at Ace's ewokian squeeking and whining, forcing Weasel to mute his sound.

Comment copiously so that we can hurry through these B-17 videos, and get to the ones everyone is really interested in, the B-36 ones.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 19, 2025 07:45 PM (a3Q+t)

98 I have gun news!

I recently received a new stock from German Gun Stocks for my Tikka T3X in 6.5 creedmoor and 24" barrel.

Everything's torqued down, so I'm just waiting for a break in the weather to re-zero.

I now have adjustable length of pull and an adjustable riser, which will give me repeatability in my cheek weld - something I've never had before.

Very excited to see how my accuracy improves now that I can replicate my set up with each shot.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 19, 2025 07:45 PM (FAbrK)

99 Manly names? I think "Caleb" should make a comeback. Guy was a beast. 80 years old and kicking butt for Moses.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 19, 2025 07:45 PM (tT6L1)

100 It's a Colt Mark IV in .380. 1911 platform
Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at January 19, 2025 07:41 PM (mT+6a)
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Nice! Maybe you're doing this already, but when you raise it into position, keep the muzzle up and focus entirely on the front sight. Use the rear sights only to keep it level and let instinct guide your shooting.

Sounds weird, but a lot of vintage designs are meant for point-shooting.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 07:45 PM (ZOv7s)

101 100!

Posted by: TRex at January 19, 2025 07:45 PM (IQ6Gq)

102 Drat

Posted by: TRex at January 19, 2025 07:46 PM (IQ6Gq)

103 'Trebuchet' has air of sophistication to it, don't you think?
Posted by: t-bird at January 19, 2025 07:42 PM

You, Sir, are a man of rare sophistication.

Posted by: Trey Bouchet at January 19, 2025 07:46 PM (a3Q+t)

104 Drat
Posted by: TRex at January 19, 2025 07:46 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Short arms denied you your rightful post.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 19, 2025 07:47 PM (tT6L1)

105 - scope lense covers

Years ago, on a rifle no longer owned by a friend, he had some that were opened by squeezing a couple buttons on the bottom of the scope. Made essentially no noise.
He can't remember who made em.
Anyone know of these?

Posted by: TeeJ at January 19, 2025 07:47 PM (kjZOX)

106 Idaho Spudboy (@33) is not wrong; I'm thinking exactly the same.

once PDT gets inaugurated things are subject to get even sportier

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 19, 2025 07:47 PM (uX4GZ)

107 TRex, missed the brass ring on that one

Posted by: Ben Had at January 19, 2025 07:47 PM (oT+t6)

108 I am not a fan of the M9. I want to be clear about that. I bought one to practice for the Governor's 20 which Whitmer than cancelled. So I sold it as part of my retirement purge. *pauses to calm down*

That being said, I think Beretta makes some sweet pieces of machinery and a product-improved Beretta was a natural choice to keep as the sidearm. It's increasingly looking like SIG-Sauer paid off a bunch of procurement people.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 07:41 PM (ZOv7s)

The specs were written to favor the SIG P320 platform. The government wanted a pistol with the serialized part that could be moved from one pistol frame to another to fit the mission/unit circumstances as needed. The other competitors in the XM 17 competition didn't meet that specification. Keep in mind that the original XM9 competition

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 07:47 PM (AiJK3)

109 Comment copiously so that we can hurry through these B-17 videos, and get to the ones everyone is really interested in, the B-36 ones.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 19, 2025 07:45 PM (a3Q+t)
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Next week B-17 Operations!

Posted by: Weasel at January 19, 2025 07:48 PM (iu4Pw)

110 Would screw up failure drills instructors like to do if you took one to training. No tap. Only rack and bang. Double feeds though might require disassembly to remedy.
Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 07:42 PM (ctrM5)
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Yeah, not sure how it functions. With the 1912, you can just empty the mag, showering your friends with cartridges.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 07:48 PM (ZOv7s)

111 104 Short arms denied you your rightful post.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 19, 2025 07:47 PM
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Gotta work on keyboard fundamentals (or maybe clean the keyboard). Can't let arm length be an excuse.

Posted by: TRex at January 19, 2025 07:48 PM (IQ6Gq)

112 Weapon-inspired monikers aren't that new unless you've only recently re-connected with whole segments of the populace. Colt has been around forever. Thirty years ago we had brothers down at the corner named Gunnar and Dirk. I've known a Remington, and "Win" and "Wes" aren't always short for what you'd think. Wait until she meets some of the girls!

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at January 19, 2025 07:48 PM (zdLoL)

113 Ed McGivern's book is also excellent if you are a revolver shooter.
Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 07:33 PM (ctrM5)

I found McGivern's "Fast and Fancy Revolver Shooting" as well. Next on my reading list.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at January 19, 2025 07:48 PM (dYCz7)

114 Ben Had, it's number 1 on my list of "must dos" in TX this year.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 19, 2025 07:48 PM (tT6L1)

115 Having shot one, I'm going to say they are the ne plus ultra of steampunk pistols. Looks like a Colt 1903, had a cross-bar for disassembly, loaded via clip, rotary barrel, esoteric caliber.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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Colt 1903's are a pita to disassemble and then reassemble. I would imagine that Kelgren's design is a bit easier to do so.

That being said, I have clip fired rifles, etc. (Carcanos, Berthiers, and a GEW 8

and clip condition is just as important for functioning smoothly as are detachable magazines.

Often you have to tweak used en bloc clips because new ones don't exist or are expensive. Not fun.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 07:48 PM (ctrM5)

116 A bit of shooting Saturday, but only two shots, one at about 70 yards and the other at about 90. Hornady.44 Magnum out of a Henry. Two deer for the butcher tomorrow morning. Waited a moment for the initial shakes to pass, controlled the breathing and a steady press…
Good evening everyone and thanks to Weasel for another great Gun Thread

Posted by: Coelacanth at January 19, 2025 07:49 PM (8Oq+G)

117 Let's not subject him to that two weeks in a row. Comment copiously for Weasel's mental health. Comment copiously so that FSJ doesn't have to howl piteously at Ace's ewokian squeeking and whining, forcing Weasel to mute his sound.

Comment copiously so that we can hurry through these B-17 videos, and get to the ones everyone is really interested in, the B-36 ones.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 19, 2025 07:45 PM (a3Q+t)
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I'll do my part. Ready everyone?

Glocks suck.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 07:49 PM (ZOv7s)

118 Can't let arm length be an excuse.
Posted by: TRex at January 19, 2025 07:48 PM

The water was cold is my go to.

Posted by: George Constanza at January 19, 2025 07:49 PM (a3Q+t)

119 I found McGivern's "Fast and Fancy Revolver Shooting" as well. Next on my reading list.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen

You'll never watch Westerns, the same way after reading McGivern. He was old enough to have talked to some of those old gunfighters in the West and he has some choice things to say about single actions and idiocies like fanning.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 07:50 PM (ctrM5)

120 I saw Sweet Holy Jumping Atomic Shitballs open for Sly and the Family Stone - Miami '68!

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at January 19, 2025 07:50 PM (jQ+5q)

121 Glocks suck.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 07:49 PM

Is that even in question???

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 19, 2025 07:50 PM (a3Q+t)

122 Ya know what you never have to do with a revolver? Pick up brass.

Posted by: Ben Had at January 19, 2025 07:51 PM (oT+t6)

123 Well, the Boss has spoken.
“And”
Huh.

How about a Range Report, then?
After single digits for weeks, it zoomed to 39 yesterday. Of course I went to the range.
Somehow, even after Santa only gave me a Garmin Chrono, a Trigger Tech AR10 drop-in launched itself at me at my LGS.
It installed itself in 5 minutes. It reduced pull weight from 6.5 to 3.5 pounds.
It functioned flawlessly.

Posted by: RI Red - will work for table scraps at January 19, 2025 07:51 PM (ssxQz)

124 whig, yes, Kroil is the bomb for that!

and I detest silicone as a lubricant in any and all of its forms ...

as an elastomer, it's cool

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 19, 2025 07:51 PM (uX4GZ)

125 But I need a ruling from the Judges - Am I Tardy or Late?
Posted by: RI Red - will work for table scraps at January 19, 2025 07:29 PM (ssxQz)
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100 comment rule? You're here under 100 comments, so, you're good?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 19, 2025 07:51 PM (tT6L1)

126 If they don't already have one, I retrofit a Magpul MOE grip onto my ARs, because you can put a little accessory bottle of CLP into the grip.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at January 19, 2025 07:52 PM (/COf6)

127 Somehow, even after Santa only gave me a Garmin Chrono, a Trigger Tech AR10 drop-in launched itself at me at my LGS.
It installed itself in 5 minutes. It reduced pull weight from 6.5 to 3.5 pounds.
It functioned flawlessly.
Posted by: RI Red
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Single stage or two stage?

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 07:52 PM (ctrM5)

128 Heckler & Koch have announced the VP9-A1, featuring an improved trigger, improved grip ergos, flared magwell, and some other improvements.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 19, 2025 07:52 PM (a3Q+t)

129 I am not a fan of the M9. I want to be clear about that. I bought one to practice for the Governor's 20 which Whitmer than cancelled. So I sold it as part of my retirement purge. *pauses to calm down*

It's increasingly looking like SIG-Sauer paid off a bunch of procurement people.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 07:41 PM (ZOv7s)

The specs were written to favor the SIG P320 platform. The government wanted a pistol with the serialized part that could be moved from one pistol frame to another to fit the mission/unit circumstances as needed. The other competitors in the XM 17 competition didn't meet that specification. Keep in mind that the original XM9 competition in the 1980s was supposed to replace not just the M1911, but a whole slew of secondary handguns used by specialized groups in the military: the .38 S&W revolvers used by aviators, the snub nose .38s used by NCIS and CID investigators, the suppressed pistols used by the special operators, and more. In this respect, the XM9 program failed. The Army wanted the XM17 competition to fix this problem. SIG delivered what Uncle wanted.

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 07:52 PM (AiJK3)

130 Yay! Gubs!

Champagne chilling for the moment of The Entrumpening.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 19, 2025 07:53 PM (Wnv9h)

131 Have a female friend named Kimber. I wonder what DU would say about that one.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 19, 2025 07:53 PM (2NHgQ)

132 I'm here but guess that now qualifies as late? C'mon Blake, it's a holiday weekend.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 19, 2025 07:54 PM (t/2Uw)

133 Don't forget Dirk's younger brother -- Sgian Dhu.

Posted by: andycanuck (5LoD7) at January 19, 2025 07:54 PM (5LoD7)

134 That being said, I have clip fired rifles, etc. (Carcanos, Berthiers, and a GEW 8 and clip condition is just as important for functioning smoothly as are detachable magazines.

Often you have to tweak used en bloc clips because new ones don't exist or are expensive. Not fun.
Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 07:48 PM (ctrM5)
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Right, but we have to separate clipper-fed from the en bloc.

Your Mausers, Enfield, etc. don't care about what happens to the clip after you mash the rounds into the magazine. The Steyr-Hahn is the same way. Rip those buggers into the magazine and there you are.

Clearing the magazine is merely releasing the button that looks a lot like a slide release - which can produce hilarious results when you confuse them.

My Carcano - when not residing in a lake bottom - did not run well. Like, repeated screwdriver interventions.

However, I now have some dummy rounds to work the feeding issue, which is probably related to the compressed layers of cosmoline I've been digging out of it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 07:54 PM (ZOv7s)

135 But I need a ruling from the Judges - Am I Tardy or Late?
Posted by: RI Red - will work for table scraps at January 19, 2025 07:29 PM (ssxQz)
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Obligatory: "I don't feel tardy."
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 07:34 PM (ZOv7s)

Never go full tard'.

Posted by: GWB at January 19, 2025 07:55 PM (hzHvq)

136 Hi Nurse!

Posted by: DBCooper at January 19, 2025 07:55 PM (y1Mvi)

137 I'm here but guess that now qualifies as late? C'mon Blake, it's a holiday weekend.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 19, 2025 07:54 PM (t/2Uw)
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I'm going with the "willows apprentice" exemption.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 19, 2025 07:56 PM (tT6L1)

138 Have met a bunch of guys in our area named Levi, really like the biblical names.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 19, 2025 07:56 PM (2NHgQ)

139 Have met a bunch of guys in our area named Levi, really like the biblical names.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 19, 2025 07:56 PM (2NHgQ)
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"Leave those pants alone, those are Levi's!"

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 07:57 PM (ZOv7s)

140 I am in Hawaii. No gun stuff here AT ALL.

Zero reciprocity.

I guess it doesn't go along with the Aloha vibe.

Posted by: blaster at January 19, 2025 07:57 PM (5HGTQ)

141 124 whig, yes, Kroil is the bomb for that!

and I detest silicone as a lubricant in any and all of its forms ...

as an elastomer, it's cool
Posted by: sock_rat_eez
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I used to restore old military rifles and Kroil was invaluable to let me actually remove old screws and pins that were stuck. I spiffed up an old WWII era No. 4 mk 1 Enfield and I swear it had sands from the battle of El Alamein crammed into the receiver crevices along with mummified gunk. Went through quite a few bamboo bbq skewers and Kroil to get all the crud and maybe rust or dirty cosmolene out the the crevices.

Ultrasonic is what some folks use which is fine for modern firearm parts but Brits applied a heavy enamel paint (Suncorite) and an ultrasonic cleaning of screws, pins, trigger guards, etc. would remove it leaving only rough WWII parkerization finish behind. Did it the slow way instead.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 07:57 PM (ctrM5)

142 Hey! Why the hate on Glocks? I love my Glocks. They fit my hand perfectly and fire every time I pull the trigger. Well, almost every tiime.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 19, 2025 07:58 PM (t/2Uw)

143 Have a female friend named Kimber. I wonder what DU would say about that one.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 19, 2025 07:53 PM (2NHgQ)
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Hmm, so she was once stunning and sophisticated but is now dogged by complaints of poor quality control?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 07:58 PM (ZOv7s)

144 Well, darn, I didn't see we'd already had a ruling by the boss.

Well, so much for my permanent record.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 19, 2025 07:58 PM (tT6L1)

145 "Comment copiously "

Beep bop boop
My program is in a loop
I generate comments
In digital vomits
That stink like penguin poop

Posted by: AI Commentator at January 19, 2025 07:58 PM (vFG9F)

146 Weasel-
No more P2-V's but they were a great airplane. I loved those.
They were the best for a crew on the ground for close air support.
One S2-T is being flown under contract for the state of KS cy a cropduster in Hutchinson, KS. The real one with the 1820's in it.
CA has a fleet of Converted S2's still with the Garrett-Honeywell -10 engines. They are great little initial attack tankers as well.

Posted by: DBCooper at January 19, 2025 07:58 PM (y1Mvi)

147 blaster, they use tactical pineapples.

Posted by: Ben Had at January 19, 2025 07:58 PM (oT+t6)

148 However, I now have some dummy rounds to work the feeding issue, which is probably related to the compressed layers of cosmoline I've been digging out of it.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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So you are saying the new Keltec uses stripper clips, not enbloc. Misunderstood your post then.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 07:59 PM (ctrM5)

149 I am in Hawaii. No gun stuff here AT ALL.

Zero reciprocity.

I guess it doesn't go along with the Aloha vibe.
Posted by: blaster at January 19, 2025 07:57 PM (5HGTQ)
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Two words.

Black

Powder

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 07:59 PM (ZOv7s)

150 2-stage, Whig.
The factory trigger was adequate, but I could sometimes feel myself pulling harder and off center just before bang.
But, if this wasn’t basically a battle rifle, I wouldn’t mind bringing it down under 3 pounds.
I’m spoiled with the other stuff I shoot.

Posted by: RI Red - will work for table scraps at January 19, 2025 08:00 PM (ssxQz)

151 149 I am in Hawaii. No gun stuff here AT ALL.

Zero reciprocity.

I guess it doesn't go along with the Aloha vibe.
Posted by: blaster
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Given the winter storms lining up for the South and Mid Atlantic, it is a good time to be in Hawaii.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:00 PM (ctrM5)

152 There is a small but noticeable trend of parents using weapons-inspired - and, more broadly, aggressive - names for their sons

'Trebuchet' has air of sophistication to it, don't you think?
Posted by: t-bird at January 19, 2025 07:42 PM (uDISK)

With the advantage of the nickname "Chet." Alternatively, "Treb", and "Buch."

Posted by: GWB at January 19, 2025 08:00 PM (hzHvq)

153 So you are saying the new Keltec uses stripper clips, not enbloc. Misunderstood your post then.
Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 07:59 PM (ctrM5)
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Yes, sorry about that. Magazine capacity is 20 rounds, fed by two 10-round stripper clips that are more fully realized (if you get my meaning, full-figured, not lean and easily bent) than what you would cram into a C96.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:01 PM (ZOv7s)

154 ..Weapon-inspired monikers that parents have chosen in recent years also include Blade and Cannon, as well as brand-related names like Remington, Colt, Ruger and Winchester. Arson, Cutter and Dagger are among the other names with a violent edge in recent data from the Social Security Administration."
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I never suspected that my middle name has a violent edge. Is there some way to capitalize on this?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 19, 2025 08:01 PM (XeU6L)

155 Lube is your pal.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd

And doesn't have the downsides of Estradiol and the like.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 19, 2025 08:02 PM (WXNFJ)

156 I never suspected that my middle name has a violent edge. Is there some way to capitalize on this?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 19, 2025 08:01 PM (XeU6L)
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I guess this is the part where I reveal that my first name is "Artillery" and my middle name is "Howitzer."

I think it redundant, which is why I go by my initials instead.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:03 PM (ZOv7s)

157 Hey! Why the hate on Glocks? I love my Glocks. They fit my hand perfectly and fire every time I pull the trigger. Well, almost every tiime.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 19, 2025 07:58 PM (t/2Uw)

Didn't we decide that it was the ammo that was the problem, not the pistol? IIRC, there were three misfires and one bad round I remember seeing in that one box of Blazer(?) ammo you were feeding that Glock with.

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 08:03 PM (AiJK3)

158 Ed McGivern is a hoot

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 19, 2025 08:04 PM (uX4GZ)

159 Given the winter storms lining up for the South and Mid Atlantic, it is a good time to be in Hawaii.
Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:00 PM (ctrM5)
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The Midwest notes your lack of concern, because we are used to crappy but otherwise non-threatening weather.

Flushing all the toilets before going to bed tonight, just to keep the water moving.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:05 PM (ZOv7s)

160 With the advantage of the nickname "Chet." Alternatively, "Treb", and "Buch."
Posted by: GWB at January 19, 2025 08:00 PM

I like the last one, particularly if he or she is happy.

Posted by: zombie Bob Ross at January 19, 2025 08:05 PM (a3Q+t)

161 You'll never watch Westerns, the same way after reading McGivern. He was old enough to have talked to some of those old gunfighters in the West and he has some choice things to say about single actions and idiocies like fanning.
Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 07:50 PM (ctrM5)

I got started down this particular rabbit hole by re-reading Stephen Hunter's "Pale Horse Coming" for the umpteenth time. Not only do a thinly disguised Jordan and McGivern appear, but so do Elmer Keith, Jack O'Connor, Charlie Askins and Audie by God Murphy. Really a fun novel.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at January 19, 2025 08:05 PM (dYCz7)

162 Posted by: DBCooper at January 19, 2025 07:58 PM (y1Mvi)
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Very cool to hear! Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at January 19, 2025 08:06 PM (iu4Pw)

163 With the advantage of the nickname "Chet." Alternatively, "Treb", and "Buch."
Posted by: GWB at January 19, 2025 08:00 PM (hzHvq)
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The next time I make up a character/alternate ego, I'm going with "Chet Trebuchet."

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:06 PM (ZOv7s)

164 150 2-stage, Whig.
The factory trigger was adequate, but I could sometimes feel myself pulling harder and off center just before bang.
But, if this wasn’t basically a battle rifle, I wouldn’t mind bringing it down under 3 pounds.
I’m spoiled with the other stuff I shoot.
Posted by: RI Red
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Back when I was shooting regularly, it was a problem sometimes to go from two stage triggers on my older bolt action rifles to AR single stagers.

I have a two stage cartridge trigger (from whom, I have to admit I don't remember) on my AR-10 but single stage on my other ARs. Went through a building phase during the late Obammy years in different cartridges so I could keep shooting-7.62 Russian, 6.8 Spec, and 6.5 Grendel. The 7.62 Russian AR was the cheapest to shoot (rigged it up to shoot steel cased ammo), the 6.5 Grendel was nicely behaved, but the 6.8 Spec would have been the one to take hog and deer hunting. Trump came in and my health got worse so I could go less and less to open ranges and shoot.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:07 PM (ctrM5)

165 Scrubbing a bore clean might feel good, but smokeless powders aren’t corrosive. Doesn’t the point of aim differ a fair amount on a freshly scrubbed bore?

I love my black powder percussion firearms but they are a pain in the ass to clean.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 08:07 PM (0mY7E)

166 133, LOL

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 19, 2025 08:07 PM (uX4GZ)

167 138 Have met a bunch of guys in our area named Levi, really like the biblical names.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at January 19, 2025 07:56 PM (2NHgQ)
The Amish. Solid folk, still believe.
Joshua 24:15- And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amonites, in whose lands ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Posted by: Eromero at January 19, 2025 08:08 PM (LHPAg)

168 - So no one knows about those lense covers, which in this group I find hard to believe, or...

Posted by: TeeJ at January 19, 2025 08:09 PM (kjZOX)

169 I guess this is the part where I reveal that my first name is "Artillery" and my middle name is "Howitzer."

I think it redundant, which is why I go by my initials instead.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:03 PM (ZOv7s)

That is the coolest name ever.

Posted by: Reforger at January 19, 2025 08:09 PM (xcIvR)

170 Thank you Ed! I was so glad it wasn;t me and that it was the ammo. However, Blaster daid the gun absolutely needed to be cleaned so I have it on my to do list.
this is what is so great about our group. If one is having a problem wither with hitting the target or with ammo or a gun, there are others who can watch you shoot, check the ammo or disassemble the gun on the spot and tell you it needs to be cleaned.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 19, 2025 08:09 PM (t/2Uw)

171 interesting, Van Owen, I'm'a look that up!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 19, 2025 08:10 PM (uX4GZ)

172 Scrubbing a bore clean might feel good, but smokeless powders aren’t corrosive. Doesn’t the point of aim differ a fair amount on a freshly scrubbed bore?

Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 08:07 PM (0mY7E)
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Corrosive primers are a thing, though, even with smokeless.

I never knew was "boiling out" was until fairly recently.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:10 PM (ZOv7s)

173 I wonder if you can set it for Democrats.

This man built a pneumatic gun controlled by ChatGPT for "construction" and it's terrifying

https://is.gd/RcGUcW

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 19, 2025 08:10 PM (L/fGl)

174 I got started down this particular rabbit hole by re-reading Stephen Hunter's "Pale Horse Coming" for the umpteenth time. Not only do a thinly disguised Jordan and McGivern appear, but so do Elmer Keith, Jack O'Connor, Charlie Askins and Audie by God Murphy. Really a fun novel.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen

Charles Askin's auto biography has some pretty disconcerting admissions from him. AFAIK, his claim to have been the first to use a 44 Magnum pistol to get a kill in Vietnam is valid.

If you can still get it, former OSS agent, Rex Applegate's Kill or Be Killed (original press Paladin, went out of business years ago) has some really interesting things to say including about civil disturbances. Applegate, post WWII, spent a lot of time consulting with Latin American governments beset by Commie riots and put down what he knew about the topic in it.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:11 PM (ctrM5)

175 I never suspected that my middle name has a violent edge. Is there some way to capitalize on this?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 19, 2025 08:01 PM (XeU6L)

Do you know where the Pelosi's live?

Posted by: GWB at January 19, 2025 08:11 PM (hzHvq)

176 but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
Posted by: Eromero at January 19, 2025 08:08 PM (LHPAg)
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My favorite saying from the OT.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 19, 2025 08:11 PM (tT6L1)

177 That is the coolest name ever.
Posted by: Reforger at January 19, 2025 08:09 PM (xcIvR)
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Awkward moments in attendance, to be sure.

"Artillery? Are you here? Where's Artillery?"

I spent a lot of time in detention, a victim of my father's unique sense of humor.

The worst part was that he worked in supply. Some sort of passive-aggressive payback.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:12 PM (ZOv7s)

178 Range Report Number 2:
Last week I noted that putting my suppressor on seemed to improve my SD and ES, at least on my Ruger 6.5.
Yesterday I chronoed three different .308 bullets with identical loads of Varget - Sierra Match King 168, Hornady A Tip168, and Sierra Game King 168.
Nothing spectacular, all just over 1 MOA, though the Game King (with the funny scrunched up X tip) grouped significantly better.
I tried them suppressed. Slight improvement in SD and ES, but nothing to right home about. The Game King still was best.
Keep in mind, this is a gas gun. I’m not complaining at all for a battle rifle.

Posted by: RI Red - will work for table scraps at January 19, 2025 08:12 PM (ssxQz)

179 Be careful. A lot of folks have this fetish about black powder firearms, with an almost “sovereign citizen” zeal. It is true, for some reason they are not considered firearms under Federal law. Even replicas.

The catch is they are considered dangerous weapons under state laws and they can, one might assume, nail your ass to the wall if so inclined.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 08:13 PM (0mY7E)

180 'Sup, Red?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 19, 2025 08:14 PM (Wnv9h)

181 Frank Cannon??

Posted by: andycanuck (5LoD7) at January 19, 2025 08:14 PM (5LoD7)

182 By the way, I also picked up a hand priming tool. RCBS. I quickly realized having 1 shell holder isn't going to cut it. Midway USA here I come!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 19, 2025 08:15 PM (tT6L1)

183 "Artillery? Are you here? Where's Artillery?"
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:12 PM (ZOv7s)

I hope you answered with "Shot, out!"

Posted by: GWB at January 19, 2025 08:15 PM (hzHvq)

184 The catch is they are considered dangerous weapons under state laws and they can, one might assume, nail your ass to the wall if so inclined.
Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 08:13 PM (0mY7E)
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I mean, if the states choose to regulate them, but there are kit guns that aren't even guns, just parts.

No idea what Hawaii's laws are, but that could be an option.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:16 PM (ZOv7s)

185 Corrosive primers were last manufactured probably 1943 in surplus ammo? Most folks don’t need to worry about it with modern cartridges do they?

Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 08:16 PM (0mY7E)

186 I managed to find a .PDF file of Bill Jordan's "No Second Place Winner." Can't afford to buy a hardcopy until i win the Powerball. Some of it is dated, but still a great read. Man, could that feller shoot! If you've never read it and are into the old timer gun greats, I highly recommend it.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen

I've been trying to remember the name of an Army shooter, that I have somewhat of a connection to.

I think his last name was Day. Bill Day maybe? I know he was in the Army, and I think shot for an Army team. Bullseye, probably late 50's/early 60's. I don't know if he was an armorer, but I think he customized his own gun. A govt model 1911 .45.

I know it doesn't help much that I don't know his last name for sure.

But if I'm in the ballpark, does this name ring a bell for anyone?

Posted by: haffhowershower at January 19, 2025 08:16 PM (NMT5x)

187 Trump referred to the January the sixth hostages in his speech today.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 19, 2025 08:17 PM (JdxE1)

188 "Artillery? Are you here? Where's Artillery?"
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:12 PM (ZOv7s)

I hope you answered with "Shot, out!"
Posted by: GWB at January 19, 2025 08:15 PM (hzHvq)
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I've heard it all, man. Believe me. "Another dud round, Artillery?"

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:17 PM (ZOv7s)

189 Interesting the suppressor affected the ES, RI Red. I'll bet that's a rabbit hole one could spend a lot of time going down.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 19, 2025 08:18 PM (tT6L1)

190 172 Scrubbing a bore clean might feel good, but smokeless powders aren’t corrosive. Doesn’t the point of aim differ a fair amount on a freshly scrubbed bore?

Posted by: Common Tater
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Depends on the barrel, people serious about accuracy shoot barrels that have been lapped to an inch of their life by professionals that have the gift. Often a single patch with just a hint of solvent will remove fouling

The rest of us shoot what the factory system gives us that sometimes has sharp burrs in the barrel, rough lands and grooves with chatter, etc. and so on. The cheaper the barrel, the more the quality varies.

So a rougher carbon-moly steel barrel tends to foul and if not cleaned properly to get the fouling out initially, you can get copper over carbon fouling in the rougher areas that can cause accuracy problems by creating a tight point in the bore and it can cause pitting under the copper and carbon fouling in some conditions. Cleaning to remove carbon and metal fouling over and over again to some extent along with shooting can cause a barrel to smooth out somewhat.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:18 PM (ctrM5)

191 "Artillery? Are you here? Where's Artillery?"
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:12 PM (ZOv7s)

I hope you answered with "Shot, out!"
Posted by: GWB at January 19, 2025 08:15 PM (hzHvq)

Splash, over.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 19, 2025 08:19 PM (W/lyH)

192 Mark Andrew Edwards is a Glock fiend. He was shooting steel cased ammo in the first part of the pandemic when ammos was stupid expensive.

I don't recall him having any issues with any kind of ammo he used in his Glocks. And he runs them pretty dirty.

YMMV

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at January 19, 2025 08:19 PM (mT+6a)

193 Well, time to wander, I need to go do some quality control work on a freshly baked cake.

I lead a tough life.

Later and thanks again for the thread, weasel!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 19, 2025 08:19 PM (tT6L1)

194 The catch is they are considered dangerous weapons under state laws and they can, one might assume, nail your ass to the wall if so inclined.
Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 08:13 PM (0mY7E)

A lot of things are banned/circumscribed/looked poorly upon around the country. I've been advocating for repealing a lot of knife laws, myself. So many things banned because they were the weapon of choice for bad people in movies, and those bad people were common for a bit, and so... banned. (Nun-chaku, swords, "throwing stars", knuckle dusters, etc.)

And, the normal response, "Yes, it's dangerous. That's why I carry it. But it's only dangerous to you if you try to attack me."

Posted by: GWB at January 19, 2025 08:19 PM (hzHvq)

195 Most folks don’t need to worry about it with modern cartridges do they?
Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 08:16 PM (0mY7E)

IIRC, the surplus Russian ammo for SKS and AK's still uses corrosive primers. Some former communist bloc nations still have it for their ammo too. A lot of surplus ammo makes it way to the US to get sold off.

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 08:20 PM (AiJK3)

196 157 Hey! Why the hate on Glocks? I love my Glocks. They fit my hand perfectly and fire every time I pull the trigger. Well, almost every tiime.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 19, 2025 07:58 PM (t/2Uw)

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Always remember to rack the slide.

*ducks*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 19, 2025 08:20 PM (JkO4W)

197 Corrosive primers were last manufactured probably 1943 in surplus ammo? Most folks don’t need to worry about it with modern cartridges do they?
Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 08:16 PM (0mY7E)
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Whig is going to pounce on this like a starving cat on a slow-witted mouse, but I think the Brits were using corrosive primers throughout WW II and post-war, plenty of NATO and Warsaw Pact countries continued to use it.

A lot of that stuff is out there on the market, and people who don't know what it means, are setting themselves up for trouble. "Ooh, cheap ammo for my AK!" or whatnot.

Yugo stuff varies, Romanian generally good. Do not trust Turkish or Greek.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:21 PM (ZOv7s)

198 I think his last name was Day. Bill Day maybe? I know he was in the Army, and I think shot for an Army team. Bullseye, probably late 50's/early 60's. I don't know if he was an armorer, but I think he customized his own gun. A govt model 1911 .45.

I know it doesn't help much that I don't know his last name for sure.

But if I'm in the ballpark, does this name ring a bell for anyone?
Posted by: haffhowershower
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Yes, I think he was in the American Rifleman (NRA's rag). Could it have been Bud Day (MOH winner and POW in Vietnam)?

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:21 PM (ctrM5)

199 Well, the time has come to consider thinning the herd. Too many of the same caliber, potential difficulty racking some slides especially for Mrs. JTB (she knows the tricks), and the realization that I haven't got time to shoot all the toys. The last is the biggest reason. Time to simplify. The process will start this week and I'm not looking forward to it. Sometimes it sucks to be an adult.

Posted by: JTB at January 19, 2025 08:21 PM (yTvNw)

200 200!

Posted by: TRex at January 19, 2025 08:22 PM (IQ6Gq)

201 Blaster,

Just don't hang a pineapple upside down.

Could get you into trouble.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at January 19, 2025 08:22 PM (mT+6a)

202 Redemption.

Posted by: TRex at January 19, 2025 08:22 PM (IQ6Gq)

203 "Artillery? Are you here? Where's Artillery?"
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:12 PM

Did you ever date Glenn Close's sister, Danger?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 19, 2025 08:23 PM (a3Q+t)

204 By the way, I also picked up a hand priming tool. RCBS. I quickly realized having 1 shell holder isn't going to cut it. Midway USA here I come!

When I was gathering up stuff to bring to the MoMe, I couldn't find my RCBS priming tool. Then I remembered that I gave it to my nephew* to get him started reloading so I went out and bought a Frankford Arsenal one. Similar to the RCBS but heavier and with better mechanical leverage. It uses its own proprietary shell holders but comes with a full set so by the time you add 4 or 5 at $6/ea, it's about a wash.

* (kinda, it's complicated)

Posted by: Oddbob at January 19, 2025 08:23 PM (/y8xj)

205 RMBS, feeling good! Can’t wait to get past noon tomorrow.
Then, surprise, I’m going to the range. This AR 10 pukes when shooting 150s, and I’m going to test the limits. I’m doing a .5 grain ladder test on Nosler Ballistic Tip 150s (Why? Because I have them).
But other than my Garand, no .30 that I own likes 150s.
Sad.

Posted by: RI Red - will work for table scraps at January 19, 2025 08:23 PM (ssxQz)

206
Tell that bomber to take off!

https://t.ly/e58YV

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 19, 2025 08:24 PM (63Dwl)

207 Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a special 200-something comment greeting to our host Weasel. Hope all in the National Capitol Region stay safe during tomorrow's festivities.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 19, 2025 08:24 PM (v23vE)

208 192 Mark Andrew Edwards is a Glock fiend. He was shooting steel cased ammo in the first part of the pandemic when ammos was stupid expensive.

I don't recall him having any issues with any kind of ammo he used in his Glocks. And he runs them pretty dirty.

YMMV
Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at January 19, 2025 08:19 PM (mT+6a)
Glock Perfection
-A. Glock

Posted by: Eromero at January 19, 2025 08:24 PM (LHPAg)

209 Yes, but Hawaii is …. Differentl.
(They really need some illegal aliens to increase Diversity.)

Gun parts, It’s like having meth chemicals in your van. None of them might be suspect by themselves, but taken together, it is evidence or probable cause. Coleman fuel, coffee filters, battery acid. My garage can get me in trouble, I guess.

On Schofield we were prohibited from carrying issue weapons in our POV. We had an alert and I watched one dumb azz driving down the road with his M16 in hand hanging out the window. “It’s not in my car, Sarge.” I think he did actually buy a Camaro, and I know he married a stripper. He moonlighted at a club as a bouncer. The odds were good, but …. the goods were odd.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 08:24 PM (0mY7E)

210 Howdy.

Magnetar video - an artificial voice? First thing I noticed was "cosmos" pronounced cause-moss, but maybe that's a Britishism. The magnetar names have a dash in them but the narration says "minus." Artificial narration usually fails the Turing test, like AI hands with six fingers.

There's a darkly amusing comparison with Russian roulette. When you "win" that bullet, "the consequences are truly mind-blowing." Well, yeah; brain-blowing at least in the case of Russian roulette!

Posted by: mindful webworker - well, shoot at January 19, 2025 08:24 PM (Mud1j)

211 No idea what Hawaii's laws are...

Just imagine the worst, dumbest thing you can and it's probably worse than that.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 19, 2025 08:25 PM (/y8xj)

212 I've heard it all, man. Believe me. "Another dud round, Artillery?"
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:17 PM

They say it happens to everyone at, how you say, some point.

Posted by: Paolo at January 19, 2025 08:25 PM (a3Q+t)

213 207 Good Sunday evening

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 19, 2025 08:24 PM
***
Schnorf!

Posted by: TRex at January 19, 2025 08:26 PM (IQ6Gq)

214 I quickly realized having 1 shell holder isn't going to cut it. Midway USA here I come!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 19, 2025 08:15 PM

Blake, RCBS makes a universal primer tool that doesn’t need diffferent shell holders!
That’s what I use now.

Posted by: RI Red - will work for table scraps at January 19, 2025 08:26 PM (ssxQz)

215 Posted by: RI Red - will work for table scraps at January 19, 2025 08:23 PM

Sounds like a plan.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 19, 2025 08:27 PM (Wnv9h)

216 182 By the way, I also picked up a hand priming tool. RCBS. I quickly realized having 1 shell holder isn't going to cut it. Midway USA here I come!
Posted by: blake
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Be careful with federal primers using hand primers. They are a bit more sensitive. That being said, you get a better feel about bottoming out on a hand primer than using your press. Just never gorilla grip one when priming using a hand priming tool. Priming a cartridge should never take much force. If the force starts stacking up, then regroup.

There is usually a problem with the brass in some way, whether dirty, crimp has not been removed, not deprimed, or even Berdan brass.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:27 PM (ctrM5)

217 On Schofield we were prohibited from carrying issue weapons in our POV. We had an alert and I watched one dumb azz driving down the road with his M16 in hand hanging out the window. “It’s not in my car, Sarge.” I think he did actually buy a Camaro, and I know he married a stripper. He moonlighted at a club as a bouncer. The odds were good, but …. the goods were odd.
Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 08:24 PM (0mY7E)
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After the Knoxville recruiting office shooting, I know that the Michigan Guard was allowed to carry on base if they had permits.

Not sure what the federal (active duty) changes were in that regard.

Unless Hawai'i banned all firearms (wtf?) one would assume that there are some options for home/personal defense.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:27 PM (ZOv7s)

218 Glock Perfection
-A. Glock
Posted by: Eromero at January 19, 2025 08:24 PM

Every time I begin to hope there's some hope for you, something like this happens. ;-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 19, 2025 08:28 PM (a3Q+t)

219 potential difficulty racking some slides especially for Mrs. JTB (she knows the tricks)

https://handiracker.com/

Posted by: Oddbob at January 19, 2025 08:29 PM (/y8xj)

220 Charles Askin's auto biography has some pretty disconcerting admissions from him. AFAIK, his claim to have been the first to use a 44 Magnum pistol to get a kill in Vietnam is valid.
Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:11 PM (ctrM5)

I saw the price of Askin's "Unrepentant Sinner" and swallowed my chaw or Red Man. I'd love to read it, though -- he was apparently Hell on Wheels.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at January 19, 2025 08:29 PM (dYCz7)

221 I was told if I logged onto this site I would see MAGA bitches.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 19, 2025 08:29 PM (dDmld)

222 Interesting the suppressor affected the ES, RI Red. I'll bet that's a rabbit hole one could spend a lot of time going down.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 19, 2025 08:18 PM

I intend to!
Maybe I can become famous.

Posted by: RI Red - will work for table scraps at January 19, 2025 08:29 PM (ssxQz)

223 weather forecast for tomorrow is high of 24 degrees with wind chills in the single digits. Might be too coldfor protesters especially because inauguration moved indoors and parade canceled.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 19, 2025 08:30 PM (t/2Uw)

224 Well, OK. My point was a cold clean bore out of a rifle has shoots different than a warm dirty one. Maybe it doesn’t matter.

What does matter, corrosive salts will not dissolve in oil or grease. Has to be water based. This is why virtually every used black powder rifle for sale always has a pitted bore. People think they can run oiled patches down it and stop corrosion.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 08:30 PM (0mY7E)

225 221 I was told if I logged onto this site I would see MAGA bitches.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 19, 2025 08:29 PM
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The Pet Thread is on Saturday.

Posted by: TRex at January 19, 2025 08:30 PM (IQ6Gq)

226 he has some choice things to say about single actions and idiocies like fanning.
Posted by: whig

I saw a murder trial one time in which a woman shot her husband in the back yard at night six times with a single action revolver. She claimed self defense. The prosecution claimed that she, who was unfamiliar with firearms, need not have shot him six times because in the time it would have taken her to cock, aim, and shoot he would have been at least unconscious. She responded by arguing that it took practically no time since she fanned the hammer like a cowboy in the movies.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 19, 2025 08:30 PM (L/fGl)

227 a Frankford Arsenal one. Similar to the RCBS but heavier and with better mechanical leverage. It uses its own proprietary shell holders but comes with a full set so by the time you add 4 or 5 at $6/ea, it's about a wash.

* (kinda, it's complicated)
Posted by: Oddbob
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I have a Frankford Arsenal one too, but haven't go to use it yet as I haven't been shooting in a long while. Too much loaded ammo to justify reloading right now.

Hope to rectify the shooting bit at least with handguns if this back related neuropathy problem settles down.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:31 PM (ctrM5)

228 They say it happens to everyone at, how you say, some point.
Posted by: Paolo at January 19, 2025 08:25 PM (a3Q+t)
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I'm talking about an insult, my Latin Lover friend, not a failure to fire.

My barrages were always on time, on target. Whether it was the right target, well...that was up to the spotters IYKWIMATYD.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:31 PM (ZOv7s)

229 I was told if I logged onto this site I would see MAGA bitches.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 19, 2025 08:29 PM

You have to use your real email address.

Posted by: Bob from NSA at January 19, 2025 08:31 PM (a3Q+t)

230 A friend of mine bought a Benelli M4 yesterday. Damn it was pricey, but sooooo nice.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 08:31 PM (VwHCD)

231 not deprimed,
Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:27 PM (ctrM5)

Trying to shove another primer in there would seem to be problematic, yes.

And I can TOTALLY see myself doing that.

Posted by: GWB at January 19, 2025 08:31 PM (hzHvq)

232 And they would never dream of getting soapy hot water getting near their weapon, even if shooting corrosive cartridge ammunition.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 08:31 PM (0mY7E)

233 ...I managed to find a .PDF file of Bill Jordan's "No Second Place Winner." Can't afford to buy a hardcopy until i win the Powerball. Some of it is dated, but still a great read. Man, could that feller shoot! If you've never read it and are into the old timer gun greats, I highly recommend it. Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at January 19, 2025 07:20 PM (dYCz7)

Shave that "powerball" number down to something modest enough that you'd be thrilled to offer, and the copy on my bookshelf shall be yours.

Write to me, and I'll reply with the print-run and edition numbers from inside the flyleaf. It's not an old original, but it IS hard copy, with minty dust cover, too.

Scoobs. I'm dropping the "Compass" at the Evil Gun Dealer, on Tuesday.

CBD. Will try you on fone, tomorrow. Simple question, really.

WEASEL. Thanks, for ALL, and especially this Weeky Gun Thread.

See y'all in the ONT !

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at January 19, 2025 08:32 PM (Xo+UM)

234 Blaster, I can't say if it's a problem where you are, but feral chickens were (probably still are) a problem on Oahu, even near downtown Honolulu. They're not dinner on the prowl because they're known to pick up a variety of diseases. The locals don't want you to mess with them because killing them is considered bad luck (or something like that).

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 08:33 PM (AiJK3)

235 Whenever I see a varmint running wild on the property, I chum it to bring it in closer before I blast it.

I let the magpies and coyotes do the rest.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 19, 2025 08:33 PM (hXQfZ)

236 I saw a murder trial one time in which a woman shot her husband in the back yard at night six times with a single action revolver. She claimed self defense. The prosecution claimed that she, who was unfamiliar with firearms, need not have shot him six times because in the time it would have taken her to cock, aim, and shoot he would have been at least unconscious. She responded by arguing that it took practically no time since she fanned the hammer like a cowboy in the movies.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
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Did the jury buy her story? Fanning generally breaks the gun if done repeatedly and it is something you have to practice to do it. It is also known for inaccuracy spraying of bullets even if you do practice it.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:33 PM (ctrM5)

237 223 weather forecast for tomorrow is high of 24 degrees with wind chills in the single digits. Might be too coldfor protesters especially because inauguration moved indoors and parade canceled.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at

Thank God for this. It's much easier to keep Trump
safe this way.

Tomorrow I'll be watching, bourbon in one hand, my Rosary in the other.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at January 19, 2025 08:33 PM (mT+6a)

238 I have a spray can of CLP, but I rarely use it. It’s mostly for keeping my AR wet. I tried using the water based cleaners to get away from the solvent smell, but the ones I tried barely cut the powder debris, and didn’t touch the copper fouling. I wound up back with Hoppes #9 to cut through the copper and the powder. For the lubrication side, I use a combination of gun oil and grease, but I don’t have the brands handy.

I’ll watch the video on cleaning solutions when I have that much time, but I’ve got a fresh bottle of Hoppes on the shelf. I’m always willing to try something new, if it works.

Posted by: Advo at January 19, 2025 08:34 PM (jO4mz)

239 Old Paco, who worked as a revenooer for 20 years, chasing moonshiners, took his eye off the fundamentals briefly after he retired, tucked a Llama .45 acp into his waistband, and wound up shooting himself in the leg. Bullet entered the front of his right thigh, came out the back of his calf. He told me later, "Son, I've been in half a dozen gun fights in my career, and I'm the only one who ever hit me."

Posted by: Paco at January 19, 2025 08:34 PM (mADJX)

240
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at January 19, 2025 08:32 PM (Xo+UM)
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Hey, nice of you to drop in!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:34 PM (ZOv7s)

241 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 19, 2025 08:15 PM (tT6L1)
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Look at the Sinclair Int'l hand primer.

Posted by: Weasel at January 19, 2025 08:35 PM (iu4Pw)

242 Your honor, I am unfamiliar with firearms. Were I familiar, I would have only loaded a single action firearm with 5 rounds.

Posted by: Woman with a single action at January 19, 2025 08:36 PM (a3Q+t)

243 There is usually a problem with the brass in some way, whether dirty, crimp has not been removed, not deprimed, or even Berdan brass.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:27 PM (ctrM5)

Yep, I like the feel much better. Sometimes it’s just a matter of rotating the cartridge. Other times it is telling you that the primer pocket was swaged/crimped and you better stop now.

Posted by: RI Red - will work for table scraps at January 19, 2025 08:36 PM (ssxQz)

244 Personal weapons had to be kept locked in the arms room on Schofield as I recall. Caused some grief too, it’s all coming back to me now, because nosy armorers like to fingle faddle with stuff.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 08:36 PM (r3wfs)

245 Trying to shove another primer in there would seem to be problematic, yes.

And I can TOTALLY see myself doing that.
Posted by: GWB
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Personally, I have had problems with certain brass (S&B 9mm primer pockets were really tight) but the most usual is a crimp that somehow did not get removed or you ghost prime as somehow the primer did not get in the chute to do it.

Haven't done the others but did know a guy that popped a primer off trying to put a primer where the old primer had not been removed. Didn't hurt him but wrecked the hand primer and made a mess.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:37 PM (ctrM5)

246 After the Knoxville recruiting office shooting, I know that the Michigan Guard was allowed to carry on base if they had permits.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd

The gunman was identified as Mohammad Youssuf Abdulazeez, 24. He was a naturalized U.S. citizen from Kuwait, a federal official said.. . .

Authorities offered no immediate information on a motive. --- From the local NBC station during that time

I don't wish to research further to see if he was on the FBI's radar. Yep - no idea why. . . .

Posted by: Tonypete at January 19, 2025 08:37 PM (WXNFJ)

247 And they would never dream of getting soapy hot water getting near their weapon, even if shooting corrosive cartridge ammunition.
Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 08:31 PM (0mY7E)
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This is why I always ask about the bore when looking at weapons that could have used corrosive ammo.

A lot of sellers get cold feet when you push then on that, and I've had more than one drop their price because they were incapable of telling the difference between a corroded bore and cosmoline buildup.

"No riflilng visible!" Well yeah, because the previous owner coated it in Vaseline. Swab it out, guy.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:37 PM (ZOv7s)

248 Look at the Sinclair Int'l hand primer.
Posted by: Weasel
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Gold plated that is. Given your proclivities, I can see why though.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:38 PM (ctrM5)

249 A friend of mine bought a Benelli M4 yesterday. Damn it was pricey, but sooooo nice.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 08:31 PM (VwHCD)

Fixed or collapsing (USMC spec) stock? Full (7 round) or neutered (5 round) magazine? My observation is that the collapsing stock and full capacity magazine command a premium of an additional $300 or more over a fixed stock variant with a neutered magazine.

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 08:38 PM (AiJK3)

250 Did the jury buy her story? Fanning generally breaks the gun if done repeatedly and it is something you have to practice to do it. It is also known for inaccuracy spraying of bullets even if you do practice it.
Posted by: whig

It was years ago and not my case. My recollection is she was acquitted.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 19, 2025 08:38 PM (L/fGl)

251 Personal weapons had to be kept locked in the arms room on Schofield as I recall. Caused some grief too, it’s all coming back to me now, because nosy armorers like to fingle faddle with stuff.
Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 08:36 PM (r3wfs)
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But what was the time frame? Is this still the rule?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:39 PM (ZOv7s)

252 Tonight's Gun Thread is interesting, informative and also highly entertaining.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 19, 2025 08:39 PM (t/2Uw)

253 My .36 Colt Navy has those retention pins between cylinders. It is strange they didn’t seem to think they were necessary when the cartridge firearms were introduced. Oops

Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 08:39 PM (r3wfs)

254 Haven't done the others but did know a guy that popped a primer off trying to put a primer where the old primer had not been removed. Didn't hurt him but wrecked the hand primer and made a mess.
Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:37 PM (ctrM5)
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Whig is on fire tonight, determined to drag us to victory over inferior threads.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:40 PM (ZOv7s)

255 247 And they would never dream of getting soapy hot water getting near their weapon, even if shooting corrosive cartridge ammunition.
Posted by: Common Tater
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Windex works fine to neutralize the corrosive salts instead of hot soapy water if you used corrosive primers (but not for blackpowder or the old duplex loads of black and semi smokeless--Lesmok, etc.) but you still need to something like Hoppes No. 9 on a patch to finish it off.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:40 PM (ctrM5)

256 I don't wish to research further to see if he was on the FBI's radar. Yep - no idea why. . . .

Posted by: Tonypete at January 19, 2025 08:37 PM (WXNFJ)
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Lots of questions will be answered...soon.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:41 PM (ZOv7s)

257 I’ve no idea what they do now in Hawaii. I’d guess it’s worse, if anything.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 08:41 PM (r3wfs)

258
"Cosmoline, why can't you be true?
Oh, Cosmoline, why can't you be true?
You done started doing the things you used to do"

I dunno, Chuck, it doesn't quite work for me ...

Posted by: Chuck Berry's producer at January 19, 2025 08:41 PM (a3Q+t)

259 Whig is on fire tonight, determined to drag us to victory over inferior threads.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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Thanks, I think. LOL.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:42 PM (ctrM5)

260 Gold plated that is. Given your proclivities, I can see why though.
Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:38 PM (ctrM5)
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True. They're pricey, but give you a great feel of the primer as it it seated.

Posted by: Weasel at January 19, 2025 08:43 PM (iu4Pw)

261 Posted by: Jim at January 19, 2025 08:32 PM (Xo+UM)

Jim, I couldn't find your email address. I'd love to buy that hard copy edition.

Weasel, can you help me with Jim's address?

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at January 19, 2025 08:43 PM (dYCz7)

262 But what was the time frame? Is this still the rule?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:39 PM (ZOv7s)

If you lived in the barracks or on base as an active-duty guy, it was still true as of 2011-2. That was the last time I had active-duty time.

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 08:43 PM (AiJK3)

263 Yes, a water based cleaner is required for corrosive powders, or cartridge ammo. Windex would work. My point is hardly anyone knows this

Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 08:43 PM (r3wfs)

264 Good evening, meine damen und herrn.

I've had another good day in the field. Finally I put in a cigar-worthy performance. All those fundamentals came together to give me a learning experience.

Friends don't let friends smoke Don Thomas.

Posted by: Nato at January 19, 2025 08:43 PM (ciuRb)

265 I have a spray can of CLP, but I rarely use it. It’s mostly for keeping my AR wet. I tried using the water based cleaners to get away from the solvent smell, but the ones I tried barely cut the powder debris, and didn’t touch the copper fouling. I wound up back with Hoppes #9 to cut through the copper and the powder. For the lubrication side, I use a combination of gun oil and grease, but I don’t have the brands handy.

I’ll watch the video on cleaning solutions when I have that much time, but I’ve got a fresh bottle of Hoppes on the shelf. I’m always willing to try something new, if it works.

Posted by: Advo

I used to carry a wholesale sized spraycan of wd-40 on active duty during range days, and then while deployed. No one in my platoon ever had a failure to fire or jam at the range. The wd-40 would wipe right off after firing and leave our m16s nice and clean.

Since i had the maintenance platoon, we kept a big a$$ed wwash tub and a 5 gallon can of triclorofloroethelyne for missile part cleaning. The Pig, and the M2 got a soak after firing and a high pressure blow job with 90 psi @ 18cfm for their speed clean. Top used to get pissed because my mechanics always finished.

Posted by: BifBewalski at January 19, 2025 08:44 PM (MsrgL)

266 Schnorf!
Posted by: TRex at January 19, 2025 08:26 PM (IQ6Gq)

Howdy, TRex! We shall observe together as the comment count draws closer to 300.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 19, 2025 08:45 PM (v23vE)

267 Finished first and got released first too.

Posted by: BifBewalski at January 19, 2025 08:45 PM (MsrgL)

268 194 The catch is they are considered dangerous weapons under state laws and they can, one might assume, nail your ass to the wall if so inclined.
Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 08:13 PM (0mY7E)

A lot of things are banned/circumscribed/looked poorly upon around the country. I've been advocating for repealing a lot of knife laws, myself. So many things banned because they were the weapon of choice for bad people in movies, and those bad people were common for a bit, and so... banned. (Nun-chaku, swords, "throwing stars", knuckle dusters, etc.)

And, the normal response, "Yes, it's dangerous. That's why I carry it. But it's only dangerous to you if you try to attack me."
Posted by: GWB at January 19, 2025 08:19 PM (hzHvq)

This might be kind of a radical position, but I think other than inherently dangerous stuff like radioactive materials, explosives, viruses, etc simple possession of an item or substance should not be illegal absent the state proving your intent to commit a crime with it.

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at January 19, 2025 08:45 PM (QGaXH)

269 Sharing is caring!
It’s being reported that President-elect Trump’s top domestic policy advisor has briefed leaders in both the House and Senate on the executive orders coming tomorrow.

Here’s a list from Newsmax reporter Alex Salvi:

• Declare emergency at southern border
• Prepare military deployment to border
• Classify cartels as “foreign terrorist orgs”
• Reinstate “Remain in Mexico” policy
• End “Catch and Release” policy
• Declare emergency related to energy
• Open up offshore and Arctic drilling
• Speed up pipeline licensing/construction
• Reforms to remove government employees
• Rescind DEI and gender-related orders
*change out tampons for depends in capitol Hill Bathrooms

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at January 19, 2025 08:45 PM (jQ+5q)

270 A friend of mine bought a Benelli M4 yesterday. Damn it was pricey, but sooooo nice.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 08:31 PM (VwHCD)

Fixed or collapsing (USMC spec) stock? Full (7 round) or neutered (5 round) magazine? My observation is that the collapsing stock and full capacity magazine command a premium of an additional $300 or more over a fixed stock variant with a neutered magazine.

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 08:38 PM (AiJK3)

Fixed stock, no pistol grip, 7 round. Looks like a bad boy, thats for sure.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 08:46 PM (VwHCD)

271 Sweet Cosmoline!
Duh Duh Duh

Posted by: andycanuck (5LoD7) at January 19, 2025 08:46 PM (5LoD7)

272 ...I think his last name was Day. Bill Day maybe? I know he was in the Army, and I think shot for an Army team. Bullseye, probably late 50's/early 60's. I don't know if he was an armorer, but I think he customized his own gun. A govt model 1911 .45.
I know it doesn't help much that I don't know his last name for sure. But if I'm in the ballpark, does this name ring a bell for anyone? Posted by: haffhowershower -------Yes, I think he was in the American Rifleman (NRA's rag). Could it have been Bud Day (MOH winner and POW in Vietnam)? Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:21 PM (ctrM5)

(the late..) Bob Day, owner of Day's Arms, San Antonio, TX. His son, David Day, still runs things, there.

The Day Arms heavy barrel PPC revolver, "DayArms 1500" was perfection.

And if you've ever fired my S&W Model 28, you've fired an action that I tuned under Bob's direct training and supervision.

Bob was my primary dealer until my 1999 divorced moved me from the San Antonio area, to the Texas Gulf Coast.

Bob day was a GREAT MAN, of this, have no doubts.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at January 19, 2025 08:46 PM (Xo+UM)

273 268 194 The catch is they are considered dangerous weapons under state laws and they can, one might assume, nail your ass to the wall if so inclined.
Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 08:13 PM (0mY7E)

A lot of things are banned/circumscribed/looked poorly upon around the country. I've been advocating for repealing a lot of knife laws, myself. So many things banned because they were the weapon of choice for bad people in movies, and those bad people were common for a bit, and so... banned. (Nun-chaku, swords, "throwing stars", knuckle dusters, etc.)

And, the normal response, "Yes, it's dangerous. That's why I carry it. But it's only dangerous to you if you try to attack me."
Posted by: GWB at January 19, 2025 08:19 PM (hzHvq)

This might be kind of a radical position, but I think other than inherently dangerous stuff like radioactive materials, explosives, viruses, etc simple possession of an item or substance should not be illegal absent the state proving your intent to commit a crime with it.

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at January 19, 2025 08:45 PM (QGaXH)

To clarify - I own no weapons. I might buy one or two sometime.

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at January 19, 2025 08:47 PM (QGaXH)

274 I wound up back with Hoppes #9 to cut through the copper and the powder. For the lubrication side, I use a combination of gun oil and grease, but I don’t have the brands handy.

I’ll watch the video on cleaning solutions when I have that much time, but I’ve got a fresh bottle of Hoppes on the shelf. I’m always willing to try something new, if it works.
Posted by: Advo

I have Hoppes, Ballistol, CLP, water based solvents, etc. You what you like and does the best for you and if Hoppes No. 9 gets it down (and it really is a good overall cleaner with a proven record), then use it. To me, Hoppes, smells like firearm cologne but some others I have used like Butch's Bore Shine smell like ass.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:48 PM (ctrM5)

275 Thanks, I think. LOL.
Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:42 PM (ctrM5)
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We must all do our part. You're on a roll.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:48 PM (ZOv7s)

276 Bob day was a GREAT MAN, of this, have no doubts.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim
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I think you nailed the answer to the question. Hope you are doing fine today and ready for the snow.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:49 PM (ctrM5)

277 I stand corrected. The proper name for Day's Arms is The Powderhorn.

I brain farted in conjunction with the Day Arms 1500. D'oh!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at January 19, 2025 08:49 PM (Xo+UM)

278 I am ashamed to admit that I have no shooting tools that have seen cosmoline.

Posted by: RI Red - will work for table scraps at January 19, 2025 08:50 PM (ssxQz)

279 "And, the normal response, "Yes, it's dangerous. That's why I carry it. But it's only dangerous to you if you try to attack me."

Posted by: GWB at January 19, 2025 08:19 PM (hzHvq) "

this!

innit?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 19, 2025 08:50 PM (uX4GZ)

280 269 Sharing is caring!
It’s being reported that President-elect Trump’s top domestic policy advisor has briefed leaders in both the House and Senate on the executive orders coming tomorrow.

Here’s a list from Newsmax reporter Alex Salvi:

• Declare emergency at southern border
• Prepare military deployment to border
• Classify cartels as “foreign terrorist orgs”
• Reinstate “Remain in Mexico” policy
• End “Catch and Release” policy
• Declare emergency related to energy
• Open up offshore and Arctic drilling
• Speed up pipeline licensing/construction
• Reforms to remove government employees
• Rescind DEI and gender-related orders
*change out tampons for depends in capitol Hill Bathrooms
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at January 19, 2025 08:45 PM (jQ+5q)

I saw a headline on CFP saying he intends to immediately suspend the clearances of the 51 Hunter Biden Laptop liars...

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at January 19, 2025 08:50 PM (QGaXH)

281 I've found Hoppe's 9 handles 95 percent of my gun cleaning needs. RemOil to protect the clean bore and Mil-Comm TW25B to lube the moving parts. I keep one container of Hoppe's 9 Black Copper solvent for the rare times that's a factor. I typically clean after every session so things don't tend to build up.

Posted by: JTB at January 19, 2025 08:50 PM (yTvNw)

282 269 Sharing is caring!
It’s being reported that President-elect Trump’s top domestic policy advisor has briefed leaders in both the House and Senate on the executive orders coming tomorrow.

Here’s a list from Newsmax reporter Alex Salvi:

• Declare emergency at southern border
• Prepare military deployment to border
• Classify cartels as “foreign terrorist orgs”
• Reinstate “Remain in Mexico” policy
• End “Catch and Release” policy
• Declare emergency related to energy
• Open up offshore and Arctic drilling
• Speed up pipeline licensing/construction
• Reforms to remove government employees
• Rescind DEI and gender-related orders
*change out tampons for depends in capitol Hill Bathrooms
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at January 19, 2025 08:45 PM (jQ+5q)

Are you sure about that last one?

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at January 19, 2025 08:51 PM (QGaXH)

283 I have Hoppes, Ballistol, CLP, water based solvents, etc. You what you like and does the best for you and if Hoppes No. 9 gets it down (and it really is a good overall cleaner with a proven record), then use it. To me, Hoppes, smells like firearm cologne but some others I have used like Butch's Bore Shine smell like ass.
Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:48 PM (ctrM5)
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I used Hoppes for a long time, but my wife's migraines were more persuasive than it's cleaning efficacy.

I've got a lead-remover spray, that does okay, and doesn't stink. Weather permitting, I'll go out on the verandah and unleash full-on chemical warfare on the collection.

CLP has done well over the years, and does wonders on clogged up surplus when used in quantity.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:51 PM (ZOv7s)

284 We must all do our part. You're on a roll.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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Some might say I am on a troll. But haven't been able to comment much over the last 7-8 weeks as my right arm at teh shoulder socket literally feels like it is falling off.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:51 PM (ctrM5)

285 I kept a smokelole in the house with central air, if it’s truly clean, it actually won’t rust a bit. Condensation due to temp fluctuations will cause rapid flash rust. I used to watch some of my buddies during the muzzle loading season get failure to fire, old habits die hard. They insisted on using lots of oil, and they would never get it quite cleaned out. It damps powder out pretty good, apparently. A clean dry bore is what you want when dealing with black powder.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 08:51 PM (r3wfs)

286 Weasel, can you help me with Jim's address?
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at January 19, 2025 08:43 PM (dYCz7)
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Done.

Posted by: Weasel at January 19, 2025 08:52 PM (iu4Pw)

287 I have nothing to contribute, but thank you, Weasel. I am so looking forward to attending my first TXMOME. Mr. Scary loves shooting oh so much. He is not social, but loves guns, bewbs, and bacon. He should fit in so well with the morons.

Trying to get past some issues with vision and confidence. My eyes are a basket case. I can walk out my back door and practice. My goal is to do that more often.

Posted by: Scarymary at January 19, 2025 08:52 PM (whIlM)

288 I am ashamed to admit that I have no shooting tools that have seen cosmoline.
Posted by: RI Red - will work for table scraps at January 19, 2025 08:50 PM (ssxQz)
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Twenty bucks, same as in town.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:52 PM (ZOv7s)

289 ...but some others I have used like Butch's Bore Shine smell like ass.

Isn't Butch's ammonia based? I have actually used regular household ammonia on seriously copper-fouled bores before Weasel turned us all on to Wipe-Out.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 19, 2025 08:52 PM (/y8xj)

290 @ TRex - replied to your e-mail.

Thank you, again for the assist.

Posted by: BifBewalski at January 19, 2025 08:52 PM (MsrgL)

291 Sorry late to thread. Recovering from waiting unsucessfully9hours in rain, drizzle, and sleett to see Trump rally in DC. Did meet nice people in line icluding a couple from PA. Hubby was hunter. Had hunted in South Africa. Talked about how getting guns through customs was a pain.

Posted by: Iris at January 19, 2025 08:53 PM (A44Mw)

292 Thinking of pony up the Pa Game commission fee to use the gun range. It's probably best spot to shoot black powder. A co-worker has and luckily a range close to his house, closest to me about 40 minutes
Around $38 for 1 year

Posted by: Skip at January 19, 2025 08:53 PM (fwDg9)

293 Fixed stock, no pistol grip, 7 round. Looks like a bad boy, thats for sure.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 08:46 PM (VwHCD)

I picked up a Benelli M4 in the USMC standard configuration (collapsing stock, 7 round magazine, pistol grip) right before COVID hit. Not only is it a very effective combat shotgun, but it's also the mildest recoiling shotgun I've ever shot, even with full power buckshot or slug rounds. Double tapping a target w/ it is quite doable.

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 08:53 PM (AiJK3)

294 We went on hike on the shoreline and I think a ran or something must have come ashore I saw lots of rusted iron/steel and what were clearly road wheels from a tracked vehicle. Maybe just a bulldozer.

What possessed a group of 29 year olds to hike is a mystery. Currently applying vodka and ginger beer (if I had a copper cup and some lime juice it would be a proper mule) as a general anesthetic.

Posted by: blaster at January 19, 2025 08:53 PM (5HGTQ)

295 278 I am ashamed to admit that I have no shooting tools that have seen cosmoline.
Posted by: RI Red - will work for table scraps
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You have not missed a damn thing. Russian Mosins and Enfields from India came to the US drenched in the nasty stuff. Each country actually has its unique recognizable cosmolene stench. US stuff was not horrible in smell but not easy to remove from wooden stocks, etc.

When you got the barrel hot enough, you start getting weeping cosmolene grease reliquified if you did not dismount the action from the stock and clean the barrel channel.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:54 PM (ctrM5)

296 Posted by: TRex at January 19, 2025 08:26 PM (IQ6Gq)

Howdy, TRex! We shall observe together as the comment count draws closer to 300.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 19, 2025 08:45 PM

Observe? We need at least 400 comments to let Weasel-san sleep in. At least 400 to protect FSJ's mental stability.

Opine away!

Posted by: Chuck Berry's producer at January 19, 2025 08:54 PM (a3Q+t)

297 Ballistol was designed and intended for corrosive ammo. It does work well for leather and wood, too. Clever Churmans.

The smell, however. Cat piss with dirty sock notes. Blech

Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 08:54 PM (r3wfs)

298 Some might say I am on a troll. But haven't been able to comment much over the last 7-8 weeks as my right arm at teh shoulder socket literally feels like it is falling off.
Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:51 PM (ctrM5)
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Time to buff up the left hand! I do drills from time to time, but I'm resigned to the fact that truly seamless ambidextrous carry is really hard.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:55 PM (ZOv7s)

299 Since we're talkin' politics, I found the following exchange between Tim Sheehy (recently elected Senator from Montana) and SECDEF nominee Pete Hegseth to be enlightening, and it's peripherally gun-related:

What is the diameter of the rifle round fired out of an M4 8-1 rifle? That's a 5.56.
How many push-ups can you do? I did five sets of 47 this morning.
What do you think our most important strategic base is in the Pacific? In the Pacific, Guam is pretty strategically significant.
How many rounds of 5.56 can you fit into the magazine of an M4 rifle? Depends on the magazine, but standard issue is 30.
And what size round does the M9 Beretta standard-issue sidearm for the military fire? A 9mm, Senator.
What kind of batteries do you put in your night vision goggle? Duracell

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 19, 2025 08:56 PM (v23vE)

300 300!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 19, 2025 08:57 PM (v23vE)

301 296 Posted by: TRex at January 19, 2025 08:26 PM (IQ6Gq)

Howdy, TRex! We shall observe together as the comment count draws closer to 300.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 19, 2025 08:45 PM

Observe? We need at least 400 comments to let Weasel-san sleep in. At least 400 to protect FSJ's mental stability.

Opine away!
Posted by: Chuck Berry's producer at January 19, 2025 08:54 PM (a3Q+t)

I can hang around and help out for a little while...

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at January 19, 2025 08:57 PM (QGaXH)

302 Isn't Butch's ammonia based? I have actually used regular household ammonia on seriously copper-fouled bores before Weasel turned us all on to Wipe-Out.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Yep. Had a couple of rifles that fouled but antique so I did not want to use Sweets. Wipeout was not out (or I did not know about it).

I used janitor's strength Ammonia when I used to use electrolysis to clean old military barrels. PITA it was but it did work to get fouling that was hard to get any other way.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 08:57 PM (ctrM5)

303
Are you sure about that last one?
Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at January 19, 2025 08:51 PM (QGaXH)

Um I may have embellished a bit.

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at January 19, 2025 08:57 PM (jQ+5q)

304 Posted by: Scarymary at January 19, 2025 08:52 PM (whIlM)
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When you get to the ranch, find me and I will get you all set up with one of our excellent instructors. Hope you can make it!

Posted by: Weasel at January 19, 2025 08:57 PM (iu4Pw)

305 Scarymary, we can work with this.

Posted by: RI Red - will work for table scraps at January 19, 2025 08:57 PM (ssxQz)

306 Trying to get past some issues with vision and confidence.
Posted by: Scarymary at January 19, 2025 08:52 PM

The TxMoMe has proven efficacious in dealing with such issues. Trust me.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 19, 2025 08:57 PM (a3Q+t)

307 speaking as one who has an old Choate 'executive letter opener' and lexan nuckels, & an al mar wild hair & a variety of other miscellany & n.o.s. ...
yanno, rly, since around 4th / 5th grade (ask me at a momee) the amount of time I have spent without some kind of weapon on or about my person is negligible ... growing up in chicago got me that way somehow

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 19, 2025 08:57 PM (uX4GZ)

308 300 300!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 19, 2025 08:57 PM
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BANG! Outstanding. Your keyboard is zeroed. Well done.

Posted by: TRex at January 19, 2025 08:57 PM (IQ6Gq)

309 Howdy, TRex! We shall observe together as the comment count draws closer to 300.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 19, 2025 08:45 PM

Observe? We need at least 400 comments to let Weasel-san sleep in. At least 400 to protect FSJ's mental stability.

Opine away!
Posted by: Chuck Berry's producer at January 19, 2025 08:54 PM (a3Q+t)

Okay, maybe I did just a little bit more than observe ...

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 19, 2025 08:57 PM (v23vE)

310 The smell, however. Cat piss with dirty sock notes. Blech
Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 08:54 PM (r3wfs)
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It's unique, that's for sure.

I rate it as more effective than CLP, but one pays a high price on the olfactory nerve.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 08:58 PM (ZOv7s)

311 When we came back from the field in Jungle School we would take our M16s into the shower and then take off the handguards and put the uppers in a half 55 gallon drum of kerosene.

I expect this was not an EPA approved solution but it did work.

Posted by: blaster at January 19, 2025 08:59 PM (5HGTQ)

312 Well, I finally got rid of that Bushnell drinking straw that was sitting on top of my 700p. Got the vortex diamondback mounted and bore sighted, and now it looks like something. Poor thing, its never been fired since new in the box. My BIL probably bought it well over 20 years ago, had that silly scope put on it, and never fired it. I probably had it 10 years and never fired it. I wasn't interested in wasting a single round with that scope.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 08:59 PM (VwHCD)

313 Cleaning - Ed's Red
https://t.ly/y2Rgu
Been using the stuff since Ed Harris published it on the old Fidonet firearms list. The only timeI use anything else is if it's a gun that I don't shoot often; then I'll wipe it down with Hoppe's before I put it away. I make it a gallon at a time, and I'm on my 3rd gallon.

Posted by: buddhaha at January 19, 2025 09:01 PM (+XvTL)

314 Turnover!!!

Posted by: andycanuck (5LoD7) at January 19, 2025 09:01 PM (5LoD7)

315 When we came back from the field in Jungle School we would take our M16s into the shower and then take off the handguards and put the uppers in a half 55 gallon drum of kerosene.

I expect this was not an EPA approved solution but it did work.
Posted by: blaster at January 19, 2025 08:59 PM (5HGTQ)
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The late, great Paul Harrell's gun cleaning video started with immersion in hot, soapy water.

Clearly a Marine thing, because my training was all CLP, all the time.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 09:01 PM (ZOv7s)

316 > . Russian Mosins and Enfields from India came to the US drenched in the nasty stuff.

Some machine tooling still comes covered with it, and yeah, Indian and Chinese smell different, but equally vile.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at January 19, 2025 09:02 PM (W5ArC)

317 Time to buff up the left hand! I do drills from time to time, but I'm resigned to the fact that truly seamless ambidextrous carry is really hard.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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Left hand is actually worse with neuropathy due to carpal tunnel syndrome (have not yet had the surgery which I did just recently on my right hand and cubital release on the left in Nov.).

I did have the trigger finger syndrome fixed 18 months ago on my left hand along with transposing the nerve at my elbow.

The major issue though is my cervical (and thoracic, and lumbar) discs are disintegrating and having inflammatory arthritis makes it worse by causing bone spurs digging into peripheral nerves going to places like arms, legs, etc. Those same bone spurs show up on hands, elbows, etc. requiring surgery from time to time.

Painful, debilitating at times, but not in the league with people that have cancer or worse problems than mine.

Lucky so far that spinal channel itself has only been mildly affected.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:03 PM (ctrM5)

318 Wipe Out. For The Win.
But CLPworks just fine on most of my stuff, even though I grew up on Hoppes.

Posted by: RI Red - will work for table scraps at January 19, 2025 09:03 PM (ssxQz)

319 GO BILLS!

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at January 19, 2025 09:03 PM (mT+6a)

320 Removing cosmoline is almost its own topic. Lots of opinions on it.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 09:03 PM (ZOv7s)

321 Obligatory plug (Weasel, kindly delete if not allowed), since we need post count...

I host an online show called PostAfterThoughts a couple times a week, and a free companion Substack at PostAfterThoughts.substack.com where I post podcast audio and live show announcements. One of my regular listeners/participants, Dale, came to TXMoMe last October.

It's more current events than gub content, but them as I've met on the Gub Thread might enjoy the discourse. Usual show times are 8:15pm Eastern on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

End of plug ...

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 19, 2025 09:03 PM (v23vE)

322 The interview between Tucker Carlson and the Federalist's Sean Davis about the Butler fiasco is interesting. They talk about the guns used by both the SS and the would-be killer.

Posted by: jmel at January 19, 2025 09:04 PM (bVhJi)

323 Clearly a Marine thing, because my training was all CLP, all the time.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 09:01 PM (ZOv7s)

Jungle School is an Army school and i think cadre there know the most about cleaning M16s than most.

CLP would just make a shiny coating on top of the mud.

Posted by: blaster at January 19, 2025 09:04 PM (5HGTQ)

324 Posted by: Weasel at January 19, 2025 08:52 PM (iu4Pw)

Thank you kindly, Sir!

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at January 19, 2025 09:04 PM (dYCz7)

325 Some machine tooling still comes covered with it, and yeah, Indian and Chinese smell different, but equally vile.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia
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LOL, I had forgotten about the harbor freight gunk smell from some of their metal items like anvils.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:05 PM (ctrM5)

326 They talk about the guns used by both the SS and the would-be killer.
Posted by: jmel

Possibly the same weapon.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 19, 2025 09:05 PM (WXNFJ)

327 When we came back from the field in Jungle School we would take our M16s into the shower and then take off the handguards and put the uppers in a half 55 gallon drum of kerosene.

I expect this was not an EPA approved solution but it did work.

Posted by: blaster

If you did the Jungle School in the Philipines during the early 60s, my future father in law was your medic.

Posted by: BifBewalski at January 19, 2025 09:06 PM (MsrgL)

328 I picked up a Benelli M4 in the USMC standard configuration (collapsing stock, 7 round magazine, pistol grip) right before COVID hit. Not only is it a very effective combat shotgun, but it's also the mildest recoiling shotgun I've ever shot, even with full power buckshot or slug rounds. Double tapping a target w/ it is quite doable.

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 08:53 PM (AiJK3)

My friend lives in connecticut. I'm not sure what the laws are there where collapsing stocks are concerned. I'll have to ask why he didn't go that route, because he's all about the marines stuff.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 09:06 PM (VwHCD)

329 Artificial narration usually fails the Turing test, like AI hands with six fingers.
This is because space aliens have six fingers.

Posted by: Eromero at January 19, 2025 09:06 PM (LHPAg)

330 Left hand is actually worse with neuropathy due to carpal tunnel syndrome (have not yet had the surgery which I did just recently on my right hand and cubital release on the left in Nov.).

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:03 PM (ctrM5)
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I hear ya. My left arm is pretty badly wrecked. On the countdown to having the bone fragments sucked out. The doc told me my left wrist looked 20 years older than the rest of me.

Ah, for the misspent years of my youth! Should have worn more armor when I was fighting spear. I was using dual arm braces to meet my pushup standard, so I get it.

Since you're in the Horde, you're included in my prayers.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 09:07 PM (ZOv7s)

331 When you get to the ranch, find me and I will get you all set up with one of our excellent instructors. Hope you can make it!

Posted by: Weasel at January 19, 2025 08:57 PM (iu4Pw)

Thank you! It is a 3 hr drive from home. Hubby has agreed, so absolutely plan to attend. I look forward to meeting the Horde!

Posted by: Scarymary at January 19, 2025 09:07 PM (whIlM)

332 Been using the stuff since Ed Harris published it on the old Fidonet firearms list. The only timeI use anything else is if it's a gun that I don't shoot often; then I'll wipe it down with Hoppe's before I put it away. I make it a gallon at a time, and I'm on my 3rd gallon.
Posted by: buddhaha
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Do you make it with or without the lanolin?

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:08 PM (ctrM5)

333 Artificial narration usually fails the Turing test, like AI hands with six fingers.
This is because space aliens have six fingers.
Posted by: Eromero at January 19, 2025 09:06 PM (LHPAg)
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The Six-Fingered Man was a space alien?!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 09:08 PM (ZOv7s)

334 The Tucker interview with Sean Davis is pretty good. His long form interviews are able to capture and express things sound bite news can't really do. But they ARE long form that one is an hour and a half.

Secret Service sniper shot the shooter with .300 Win Mag 210 grain bullet. Entered his lip went through his lip and entered his back. At least some of the bullet did.

Posted by: blaster at January 19, 2025 09:08 PM (5HGTQ)

335 Whig, I feel for you.
The only solace I can offer is that I have survived a bunch of things that I would not have survived a hundred years ago.
When I am feeling sorry for myself, I step back and say that every day for years has been gravy.
And I am not including that “stepping into harm’s way” stuff.
I am doubly blessed.

Posted by: RI Red - will work for table scraps at January 19, 2025 09:09 PM (ssxQz)

336 326 They talk about the guns used by both the SS and the would-be killer.
Posted by: jmel

Possibly the same weapon.
Posted by: Tonypete at January 19, 2025 09:05 PM (WXNFJ)

Still gobsmacked how a relatively unskilled kid could get a scoped rifle inside the Secret Service security perimeter, set it up, and get shots off. A few heads rolled, but IMHO, not enough.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 19, 2025 09:09 PM (v23vE)

337 My friend lives in connecticut. I'm not sure what the laws are there where collapsing stocks are concerned. I'll have to ask why he didn't go that route, because he's all about the marines stuff.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 09:06 PM (VwHCD)

Probably state laws banning "assault weapon" features like pistol grips and adjustable stocks.

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 09:10 PM (AiJK3)

338 If you did the Jungle School in the Philipines during the early 60s, my future father in law was your medic.
Posted by: BifBewalski at January 19, 2025 09:06 PM (MsrgL)

No I was in Panama.

Posted by: blaster at January 19, 2025 09:10 PM (5HGTQ)

339 I hear ya. My left arm is pretty badly wrecked. On the countdown to having the bone fragments sucked out. The doc told me my left wrist looked 20 years older than the rest of me.

Ah, for the misspent years of my youth! Should have worn more armor when I was fighting spear. I was using dual arm braces to meet my pushup standard, so I get it.

Since you're in the Horde, you're included in my prayers.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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Thanks, but there are so many other people worse off than me. I am feeling pretty good tonight from a hot fire in the fireplace going and just have had a steroid shot to the spine two days ago.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:10 PM (ctrM5)

340 back in the Before Time the first step in serious servicing of Teletypes or typewriters was immersion cleaning in a bath of (varies between) kerosene / naptha; something like old school "lighter fluid" was the usual description.

it works like a champ, what more can i say? fixed maybe 80% of problems off the bat. firearms are similar machines.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 19, 2025 09:10 PM (uX4GZ)

341 Jungle School is an Army school and i think cadre there know the most about cleaning M16s than most.

CLP would just make a shiny coating on top of the mud.
Posted by: blaster at January 19, 2025 09:04 PM (5HGTQ)
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Look, I went through Basic at Fort Lost-in-the-Woods. Truck drivers, medics, and musicians. I just related what I saw.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 09:10 PM (ZOv7s)

342 Right, those vintage pics of Marines washing their weapons in a trough was because of corrosive ammo.

Cosmoline has been banned, I think. Like everything else they force inferior substitutes. Whatever it is they use now isn’t quite the same. It was neat seeing ancient stuff disgorged from some Depot, whether guns or electronics, even rubber items. They knew how to store stuff. For some reason M60 ammo we shot from aircraft had to be better stuff than regular ground pounder ammo. Not sure why it made any difference. It was pretty vintage, and always went bang though.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 09:11 PM (r3wfs)

343
Thank you! It is a 3 hr drive from home. Hubby has agreed, so absolutely plan to attend. I look forward to meeting the Horde!
Posted by: Scarymary at January 19, 2025 09:07 PM (whIlM)

Excellent! If plans work out -- never a certainty -- I will be bringing my better half as a first-time attendee this October.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 19, 2025 09:11 PM (v23vE)

344 All your fingers are belong to us!

Posted by: The Drones at January 19, 2025 09:12 PM (mH6SG)

345 Still gobsmacked how a relatively unskilled kid could get a scoped rifle inside the Secret Service security perimeter, set it up, and get shots off. A few heads rolled, but IMHO, not enough.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 19, 2025 09:09 PM (v23vE)

The most benign interpretation of events has the premier protective service in the world getting beaten by a 20 year old kid with no training or support (cough).

This is like some Pee Wee football team marching down the field to kick a field goal on the Detroit Lions before they even realize there's a game being played.

Posted by: blaster at January 19, 2025 09:13 PM (5HGTQ)

346 Posted by: Scarymary at January 19, 2025 09:07 PM (whIlM)
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You'll have a great time!

Posted by: Weasel at January 19, 2025 09:13 PM (iu4Pw)

347 Thanks, but there are so many other people worse off than me. I am feeling pretty good tonight from a hot fire in the fireplace going and just have had a steroid shot to the spine two days ago.
Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:10 PM (ctrM5)
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That is a blessing. Hopefully more to come.

Now tell me about Steyr-Mannlichers. What should I look for?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 09:13 PM (ZOv7s)

348 319 GO BILLS!
Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at January 19, 2025 09:03 PM (mT+6a)

From your lips to God's ears ...

Posted by: browndog suffering the tramuma of being a Buffalo sports fan at January 19, 2025 09:14 PM (TTAGa)

349 Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:03 PM (ctrM5)

I have started wearing fingerless fabric compression gloves. They seem to help my arthritis and incipient carpal tunnel somewhat. Maybe it's psychological, I dunno.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at January 19, 2025 09:14 PM (dYCz7)

350 335 Whig, I feel for you.
The only solace I can offer is that I have survived a bunch of things that I would not have survived a hundred years ago.
When I am feeling sorry for myself, I step back and say that every day for years has been gravy.
And I am not including that “stepping into harm’s way” stuff.
I am doubly blessed.
Posted by: RI Red
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Thanks for teh kind words. I kind of freak out the docs after I fill out their poncy questionnaires that I don't consider myself depressed. And part of it is my afflictions just cause pain and physical issues, it does not directly threaten my life so far. So I am blessed really.

But, I have a good wife, great dogs, a roof over my head, and food in the refrigerator. Most importantly, I have my faith and memories still.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:14 PM (ctrM5)

351 Not relevant to anything else, but today marks five months since I filed a technical support request with Aero Precision without a response.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 19, 2025 09:14 PM (/y8xj)

352 Common Tater, I think its because it can be hard to get at the guns (to clear a failure) when in flight ...

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 19, 2025 09:15 PM (uX4GZ)

353 Bills up by 8.

3 minutes to go.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at January 19, 2025 09:16 PM (mT+6a)

354 Yep. Naptha is excellent stuff for a whole bunch of different hobbies and special purposes. It’s now pushing $20 a gallon however. Never made any sense. It’s a first distillate of gasoline, with no additives. It should be cheaper than car gas, at least at the wholesale level.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 09:16 PM (r3wfs)

355 Blaster, some Rouel X must have been going on.
And why no recent pix?

Posted by: RI Red - will work for ammo components at January 19, 2025 09:16 PM (ssxQz)

356 Not relevant to anything else, but today marks five months since I filed a technical support request with Aero Precision without a response.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 19, 2025 09:14 PM (/y8xj)
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Imagine if you worked for them!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 09:16 PM (ZOv7s)

357 psychological is still real.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 19, 2025 09:17 PM (uX4GZ)

358 The most benign interpretation of events has the premier protective service in the world getting beaten by a 20 year old kid with no training or support (cough).

This is like some Pee Wee football team marching down the field to kick a field goal on the Detroit Lions before they even realize there's a game being played.
Posted by: blaster at January 19, 2025 09:13 PM (5HGTQ)
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And, as usual, his life, family, background...shrouded in mystery. A riddle even the best intelligence agencies can't solve.

Until next week.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 09:18 PM (ZOv7s)

359 Firearms packed in Cosmoline have always been...an adventure.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 19, 2025 09:18 PM (mH6SG)

360 Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 09:11 PM (r3wfs)

OSS Detachment 101 armed the Kachin tribes in Burma fighting the Japanese with M1861 Springfield rifled muzzleloader muskets dragged out of storage after nearly 80 years in the warehouses. I haven't read of any complaints when that happened in the dark days of 1942.

Today, we probably use vacuum sealed packaging instead. It's definitely easier to clean up afterward compared to Cosmoline for the user.

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 09:18 PM (AiJK3)

361 oh holy bleep its after 20, g'night everyone!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 19, 2025 09:18 PM (uX4GZ)

362 Ok, 9:18 thank you time.

Thank you!

Thanks for being here and hope to see all y'all next Sunday. Big day tomorrow, so enjoy it everyone!

Posted by: Weasel at January 19, 2025 09:18 PM (iu4Pw)

363 353 Bills up by 8.

3 minutes to go.
Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at January 19, 2025 09:16 PM (mT+6a)

🫣

Posted by: browndog breathing deeply at January 19, 2025 09:18 PM (TTAGa)

364 I have started wearing fingerless fabric compression gloves. They seem to help my arthritis and incipient carpal tunnel somewhat. Maybe it's psychological, I dunno.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen

I do wear shooting gloves that are fingerless because my left hand (and my right hand before the surgery) felt like I was wearing full length gloves anyway.

Still waiting on the right hand's carpal tunnel surgery to fully heal. I seem to heal more slowly now for whatever reason.

I found the padded shooting gloves made it easier to shoot longer strings without pain when I shot my Walther PPK. That weapon, in 380 ACP, had felt recoil higher than most of my pistols, even my stainless Model 60 snubbie.

Nasty chance of getting slide burn too as the original PPK like this one (pre 1968 GCA) had a very short grip. They took the longer PP grip and put it on the PPK to make the newer PPK/s for American export after the GCA passed.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:20 PM (ctrM5)

365 The most benign interpretation of events has the premier protective service in the world getting beaten by a 20 year old kid with no training or support (cough).

This is like some Pee Wee football team marching down the field to kick a field goal on the Detroit Lions before they even realize there's a game being played.
Posted by: blaster at January 19, 2025 09:13 PM (5HGTQ)

Just like what we've seen out west recently, government is great (!) at protecting us from systemic racism, inequitable employment situations, microaggressions, etc. -- but really quite poor at doing the job they were assigned to complete.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 19, 2025 09:20 PM (v23vE)

366 Bills up by 8.

3 minutes to go.
Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at January 19, 2025 09:16 PM (mT+6a)

🫣
Posted by: browndog breathing deeply at January 19, 2025 09:18 PM (TTAGa)
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Who are they playing?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 09:20 PM (ZOv7s)

367 & g'night Weasel, thx as always!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 19, 2025 09:20 PM (uX4GZ)

368 s'puppy, I found this line to be the most impressive:
How many push-ups can you do?
I did five sets of 47 this morning.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 19, 2025 09:21 PM (t/2Uw)

369 Dan Davis posits 4 theories of the Butler shooting (yeah spoilers but I will save you some time and he goes over this in the first 5 minutes (paraphrasing):

1-colossal eff up
2-strategic ineptitude (things allowed to fail in hopes a bad actor can be successful)
3-strategic ineptitude with coordination of a bad actor - ie Secret Service is hobbled to create conditions where another, umm, agency might have spun up a bad actor who can be successful
4-they are all in on it.

Davis says his current position is somewhere between 2 and 3.

Posted by: blaster at January 19, 2025 09:21 PM (5HGTQ)

370 Oh, and government also is working hard to save us from global warming / climate change / climate crisis / PLANETARY BOILING in addition to the other stuff above.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 19, 2025 09:21 PM (v23vE)

371 ZOD IMPERIAL.

Posted by: ZOD at January 19, 2025 09:21 PM (P+D4R)

372 I found the padded shooting gloves made it easier to shoot longer strings without pain when I shot my Walther PPK. That weapon, in 380 ACP, had felt recoil higher than most of my pistols, even my stainless Model 60 snubbie.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:20 PM (ctrM5)
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This is where .32 Long comes in, yes?

I will say that .32 H&R Magnum is a remarkable caliber. Less recoil than .38, but superior performance.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 09:22 PM (ZOv7s)

373 well, we are certainly within striking distance of the FT.
I, for one, will stay to do my duty.

Posted by: RI Red - will work for ammo components at January 19, 2025 09:22 PM (ssxQz)

374 Today, we probably use vacuum sealed packaging instead. It's definitely easier to clean up afterward compared to Cosmoline for the user.
Posted by: Ed L
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VCI (lets off a metal anticorrosive compound over time) bags which I use for firearms in deep storage. Coat them with RIG grease including the bore (RIG does not harden and keeps air away from the metal) and then put them in a VCI bag. They are actually pretty cheap. The ones that I used, I kept in VCI gun socks in the safe.

A few of the really old ones, I use Renaissance Wax on the receivers and metal parts.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:22 PM (ctrM5)

375 Couldn't do 50s, eh?!

Posted by: andycanuck (5LoD7) at January 19, 2025 09:23 PM (5LoD7)

376 Getting pretty damned cold here in my AO. Hope that my plumbing holds up.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 19, 2025 09:23 PM (mH6SG)

377 Now tell me about Steyr-Mannlichers. What should I look for?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 09:13 PM (ZOv7s)

Manlickers? Easy to spot, look for the douche knot on their head.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 09:24 PM (VwHCD)

378 You guys will cringe, but the way it worked, when we did an aerial gunnery at sea, we would throw ammo we didn’t shoot overboard. The reason was because if you shot it off, you brought back the brass, and everything was fine, go for a beer. But bringing back live ammo, that meant paperwork for somebody. Probably had to count it before turning it back in, and then probably everybody else involved too. So that’s how that worked.

I did notice precision shooting at a target is pretty tough with a rolling aircraft at a rolling sea, and worn out barrels. Minute of living room maybe.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 09:24 PM (r3wfs)

379 This is like some Pee Wee football team marching down the field to kick a field goal on the Detroit Lions before they even realize there's a game being played.
Posted by: blaster at January 19, 2025 09:13 PM (5HGTQ)

Complacency kills. Senior leaders at the USSS got into the same zone as the owner of the White Star Line and the Titanic ("But the Titanic is unsinkable!!!). Fortunately, the outcome for the USSS was a lot better than the Titanic's passengers and crew, thanks to Lady Luck smiling at literally the last second.

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 09:24 PM (AiJK3)

380 ZOD.
Thank ZOD you are here.

Posted by: RI Red - will work for ammo components at January 19, 2025 09:24 PM (ssxQz)

381 NYTimes: The Trump Resistance Won’t Be Putting on ‘Pussy Hats’ This Time

Posted by: SMOD at January 19, 2025 09:25 PM (GITLP)

382 Thank you! It is a 3 hr drive from home. Hubby has agreed, so absolutely plan to attend. I look forward to meeting the Horde!

Posted by: Scarymary at January 19, 2025 09:07 PM (whIlM)

You will be changed forever. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 09:25 PM (VwHCD)

383 368 s'puppy, I found this line to be the most impressive:
How many push-ups can you do?
I did five sets of 47 this morning.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 19, 2025 09:21 PM (t/2Uw)

I didn't quite catch the sly reference Hegseth made there until it was pointed out to me later. Anything distinctive about the number 47? Maybe like the number of the presidency that's fixing to start tomorrow?

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 19, 2025 09:25 PM (v23vE)

384 Davis says his current position is somewhere between 2 and 3.
Posted by: blaster at January 19, 2025 09:21 PM

It bothers me that I'm a 3 or 3+.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 19, 2025 09:25 PM (a3Q+t)

385 NYTimes: The Trump Resistance Won’t Be Putting on ‘Pussy Hats’ This Time

Posted by: SMOD at January 19, 2025 09:25 PM (GITLP)

Traded them in for day-glo butt plugs.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 09:26 PM (VwHCD)

386 (Oh here she comes)
Watch out boy she'll chew you up
(Oh here she comes)
She's a Mannlicher!

Posted by: andycanuck (5LoD7) at January 19, 2025 09:26 PM (5LoD7)

387 last freakin' millisecond !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 19, 2025 09:26 PM (uX4GZ)

388 Does anyone here post videos? To YouTube?
To other sites?

Posted by: RI Red - will work for ammo components at January 19, 2025 09:27 PM (ssxQz)

389 This is where .32 Long comes in, yes?

I will say that .32 H&R Magnum is a remarkable caliber. Less recoil than .38, but superior performance.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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Yes, I will be shooting 32 ACP (in that 1903 Colt I mentioned, wife's family heirloom) and my 32 S&W Long pistols to get reacquainted with shooting again. I have a 22 LR snubbie (High Std. Sentinel) but it has a heavier trigger pull than I need. Have a few others 22 LR semi autos that I will work into the mix as I hopefully get better.

I'll probably try to shoot off the left shoulder ( I shoot pool left handed actually with my older 22 LR bolt actions when I work up to shooting rifles again. Right upper arm and shoulder are still too painful to risk it.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:27 PM (ctrM5)

390 Posted by: RI Red - will work for ammo components at January 19, 2025 09:27 PM (ssxQz)
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I've posted a few on YouTube.

Posted by: Weasel at January 19, 2025 09:28 PM (iu4Pw)

391 348 319 GO BILLS!
Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at January 19, 2025 09:03 PM (mT+6a)

From your lips to God's ears ...

Posted by: browndog
......................................
Steelers did there annual late season swoon so...

GO BILLS!!!

I despise the Ravens.

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at January 19, 2025 09:28 PM (sAmhv)

392 -
Who are they playing?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 09:20 PM (ZOv7s)

Browns v1.0

Posted by: browndog breathing deeply at January 19, 2025 09:28 PM (TTAGa)

393 You'll have a great time!
************
You most certainly will...everyone is very friendly and welcoming. The instructors are amazing, especially those for those who are just trying to build skills. Good food, music, company, etc - how can you not have a good time? Looking forward to meeting you.

Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at January 19, 2025 09:29 PM (IQ6Gq)

394 Coach says that 60 percent of shot is above the POI, 40 percent below. Shot barrels are "built that way."

WTF?

Going to be posting mostly drunk tomorrow.

Posted by: ZOD at January 19, 2025 09:29 PM (P+D4R)

395 Nasty chance of getting slide burn too as the original PPK like this one (pre 1968 GCA) had a very short grip. They took the longer PP grip and put it on the PPK to make the newer PPK/s for American export after the GCA passed.
Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:20 PM (ctrM5)

Whig, I just picked up a new PPK/S in .32 ACP. The redesigned grip tang behind the hammer fixes that problem for most people. It keeps you from holding your hand too high on the grip. I think the .32 ACP is a really nice shooter out of the PPK/S compared to .380 ACP. I didn't like my one experience shooting a PPK in .380 ACP.

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 09:29 PM (AiJK3)

396 NYTimes: The Trump Resistance Won’t Be Putting on ‘Pussy Hats’ This Time

After it worked so well the last time?

Posted by: Oddbob at January 19, 2025 09:29 PM (/y8xj)

397 I despise the Ravens.

Same here. Unfortunately, they can still tie this one up and take it to OT.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 19, 2025 09:30 PM (mH6SG)

398 I looked at the .32 magnum when it first came out. I sort of thought the same thing about .30 Super Carry
I may have been wrong about the .32. And I may need to rectify that.

Posted by: RI Red - will work for ammo components at January 19, 2025 09:30 PM (ssxQz)

399 Short answer: Boutique “luxury beliefs” will get us all killed.

The big stuff has to be locked down tight first. They can’t or won’t do that, but they do worry about fine-tuning the weather a hundred years from now. Pay attention to local leaders, maybe wildfire isn’t a problem in your AO but they are probably ignoring something equally catastrophic

Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 09:30 PM (r3wfs)

400 388 Does anyone here post videos? To YouTube?
To other sites?
Posted by: RI Red - will work for ammo components at January 19, 2025 09:27 PM (ssxQz)

I post my show videos to Rumble - search for my Schnorflepuppy nom de plume there. Not sure if that's what you're asking, though.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 19, 2025 09:30 PM (v23vE)

401 He dropped it!

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at January 19, 2025 09:31 PM (mT+6a)

402 Good. Screw them.

/football-related

Posted by: andycanuck (5LoD7) at January 19, 2025 09:31 PM (5LoD7)

403 Think I'll dip into the Humidor O' Cubans tomorrow around noon!

Posted by: Weasel at January 19, 2025 09:31 PM (iu4Pw)

404 Hey - I got comment 400 completely by accident - AND we have now subsumed the Food Thread!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 19, 2025 09:31 PM (v23vE)

405 Never mind. My feed is way behind the game.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 19, 2025 09:32 PM (mH6SG)

406 Traded them in for day-glo butt plugs.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 09:26 PM (VwHCD)

But how is anyone supposed to see them then?

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 09:32 PM (AiJK3)

407 I will say that .32 H&R Magnum is a remarkable caliber. Less recoil than .38, but superior performance.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 09:22 PM (ZOv7s)

Speaking of remarkable calibers, the same novel I mentioned previously had me going down the rabbit hole of the .38/44 cartridge. Loaded much more stoutly than the .38 Special, it was apparently hotter than today's .38 Special +P. It was basically the Poor Man's .357 Magnum. Now I have a hankering for an S&W Heavy Duty.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at January 19, 2025 09:32 PM (dYCz7)

408 We grabbed them by the pussy-hats.

Posted by: andycanuck (5LoD7) at January 19, 2025 09:32 PM (5LoD7)

409 I did notice precision shooting at a target is pretty tough with a rolling aircraft at a rolling sea, and worn out barrels. Minute of living room maybe.
Posted by: Common Tater
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H. Beam Piper wrote a novella using that concept.
4 Day Planet. Ace had a double with that and a Planet for Texans (aka Lone Star Planet).

Piper had his monster hunting crews on the high seas in a horrible weather world using anti aircraft cannons, machine guns, and other such on rolling decks to kill the monsters and load them in the hold (the monsters created some sort of desired natural wax material).

Probably find ebook versions free at Project Gutenberg among other places.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:32 PM (ctrM5)

410 You will be changed forever. lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 09:25 PM (VwHCD)

We are already a bit tetched in the head. As long as we don't have to sit in some ghey drum circle sharing our feelz, it should be okay.

Posted by: Scarymary at January 19, 2025 09:32 PM (whIlM)

411 Firearms packed in Cosmoline have always been...an adventure.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 19, 2025 09:18 PM (mH6SG)
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The color of gunk one pulls out of surplus weapons is interesting. The brown/red is generally a preservative, the black is carbon or powder, and the gray stuff means you're getting close to the actual metal.

At least in my experience.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 09:33 PM (ZOv7s)

412 381 NYTimes: The Trump Resistance Won’t Be Putting on ‘Pussy Hats’ This Time
Posted by: SMOD
.............................
Yet they're still pussies. They still don't get how despised they are

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at January 19, 2025 09:33 PM (sAmhv)

413 WHOOT!

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at January 19, 2025 09:34 PM (mT+6a)

414 We are already a bit tetched in the head. As long as we don't have to sit in some ghey drum circle sharing our feelz, it should be okay.
Posted by: Scarymary

No, none of that!

The nekkid co-ed Twister tournament is always a crowd pleaser though.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 19, 2025 09:34 PM (WXNFJ)

415 Trump up by 2.
14 hours to go.

Posted by: Martin Luther Kaboom at January 19, 2025 09:35 PM (qUkBO)

416 Now I have a hankering for an S&W Heavy Duty.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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Could look for the rarer Colt New Service in 38 Special. I have one and it is a beast (former Govt agency owned). I have smaller hands and the S&W N frames simply do not fit it well. I was surprised that the Colt New Service did but they did some tricks with to shorten the trigger reach on their 38 Special and 357 Magnum revolvers.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:35 PM (ctrM5)

417 We are already a bit tetched in the head. As long as we don't have to sit in some ghey drum circle sharing our feelz, it should be okay.
Posted by: Scarymary at January 19, 2025 09:32 PM (whIlM)
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No worries. For a cult, we're fairly benign.

Posted by: Weasel at January 19, 2025 09:35 PM (iu4Pw)

418 it's worth pointing out that 40-ish years ago (when fed stats were maybe trustworthy?) the competitors for most annual handgun deaths were .25 ACP and .38 Spl ... then 9mm hi-caps came online & distorted everything.

fwiw

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 19, 2025 09:35 PM (uX4GZ)

419 You will be changed forever. lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 09:25 PM (VwHCD)

We are already a bit tetched in the head. As long as we don't have to sit in some ghey drum circle sharing our feelz, it should be okay.

Posted by: Scarymary at January 19, 2025 09:32 PM (whIlM)

Just where the hell do you think you're going? Drum circles are forbidden and punishable by death. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 09:36 PM (VwHCD)

420 Welp, the Bills survive.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 19, 2025 09:36 PM (mH6SG)

421 @EricLDaugh
·
6m
🚨 #BREAKING: Scores of diplomats at the State Department resign, effective at noon tomorrow, at request of Trump’s team - Washington Post

Posted by: JackStraw at January 19, 2025 09:37 PM (LkLld)

422 The nekkid co-ed Twister tournament is always a crowd pleaser though.
Posted by: Tonypete at January 19, 2025 09:34 PM

The problem is those lithe former terpsichorean and gymnast 'ettes always win.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 19, 2025 09:37 PM (a3Q+t)

423 Guess I won't bring my singing bowls for the sound bath.

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at January 19, 2025 09:38 PM (mT+6a)

424 BREAKING: Scores of diplomats at the State Department resign, effective at noon tomorrow, at request of Trump’s team - Washington Post

Posted by: JackStraw at January 19, 2025 09:37 PM (LkLld)

Step into the catapult please...

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 09:38 PM (VwHCD)

425 Ok, we made it!
Weasel, thx, even though I got a double demerit today. I may ax you some questions about you tube.
You, too, schorfle.
I may have some bottled up creativity to dispense, what with my new fun employment.

Posted by: RI Red - will work for ammo components at January 19, 2025 09:38 PM (ssxQz)

426 #BREAKING: Scores of diplomats at the State Department resign, effective at noon tomorrow, at request of Trump’s team - Washington Post
Posted by: JackStraw at January 19, 2025 09:37 PM (LkLld)
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It's going to be a glorious four years.

Posted by: Weasel at January 19, 2025 09:38 PM (iu4Pw)

427 But how is anyone supposed to see them then?
Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 09:32 PM (AiJK3)
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They wear assless chaps.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 09:39 PM (ZOv7s)

428 420 Welp, the Bills survive.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at Ja

Longest 3 minutes of my 70 years on earth

Go Bills

Posted by: browndog breathing deeply at January 19, 2025 09:39 PM (4RUyf)

429 Could look for the rarer Colt New Service in 38 Special. I have one and it is a beast (former Govt agency owned). I have smaller hands and the S&W N frames simply do not fit it well. I was surprised that the Colt New Service did but they did some tricks with to shorten the trigger reach on their 38 Special and 357 Magnum revolvers.
Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:35 PM (ctrM5)

They're out there. I saw one at the most recent Chantilly Gun Show. It had really worn grips, but still looked OK.

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 09:39 PM (AiJK3)

430 381 NYTimes: The Trump Resistance Won’t Be Putting on ‘Pussy Hats’ This Time
Posted by: SMOD at January 19, 2025 09:25 PM (GITLP)

Pfftt... There were many PH's out there today at the Womens March in DC.
Besides the two granny hippy chick knitters are still crankin em out.
https://tinyurl.com/5am5zahh

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at January 19, 2025 09:40 PM (jQ+5q)

431 Okay, FT is at 400. It appears we will not disappoint Weasel-san two week in a row.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 19, 2025 09:40 PM (a3Q+t)

432 ZOD IMPERIAL.
Posted by: ZOD at January 19, 2025 09:21 PM

Zod, 'sup?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 19, 2025 09:40 PM (Wnv9h)

433 Posted by: RI Red - will work for ammo components at January 19, 2025 09:38 PM (ssxQz)
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Sure. Drop me a line or give me a call.

Posted by: Weasel at January 19, 2025 09:40 PM (iu4Pw)

434 Just where the hell do you think you're going? Drum circles are forbidden and punishable by death. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 09:36 PM (VwHCD)

I live just outside the People's Republic of Austin. Thank God, we are a conservative county. Lots of MAGA and normies. Still, there is a boatload of weird shit around.

Posted by: Scarymary at January 19, 2025 09:40 PM (whIlM)

435 Okay, FT is at 400. It appears we will not disappoint Weasel-san two week in a row.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 19, 2025 09:40 PM (a3Q+t)
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Dominating performance, even more impressive during a cold snap when no one is braving sub-zero temperatures to break springs and court misfeeds.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 09:41 PM (ZOv7s)

436 o whatthehell, nurse, bring 'em, they sound cool!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 19, 2025 09:41 PM (uX4GZ)

437 Woot! Did some gun-related stuff today. Went to the Phoenix Gun Show, and got a mag well adaptor and 3 metal Colt 35-round mags. Also found 2 boxes of .32 S&W (short) and bought them, as well as a riser for the red-dot sight on the PPCGG.

Installed the mag well adaptor and put some snap caps in a mag, and woo-hoo! It works. Loads and extracts as it should. Trip to desert, coming right up.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 19, 2025 09:42 PM (8zz6B)

438 I assume everyone has seen Roseanne's new rap video with that other guy?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 09:42 PM (ZOv7s)

439 I live just outside the People's Republic of Austin. Thank God, we are a conservative county. Lots of MAGA and normies. Still, there is a boatload of weird shit around.

Posted by: Scarymary at January 19, 2025 09:40 PM (whIlM)

Lucky you, short ride. 24 hours for me.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 09:42 PM (VwHCD)

440 I can't take the resistance seriously if they aren't wearing pussy hats.

Posted by: Erebus- Ex Killer Whale at January 19, 2025 09:42 PM (elaR+)

441 Red - my channel on YT is WeaselAcres take a look and we can discuss.

Posted by: Weasel at January 19, 2025 09:42 PM (iu4Pw)

442 Whig, I just picked up a new PPK/S in .32 ACP. The redesigned grip tang behind the hammer fixes that problem for most people. It keeps you from holding your hand too high on the grip. I think the .32 ACP is a really nice shooter out of the PPK/S compared to .380 ACP. I didn't like my one experience shooting a PPK in .380 ACP.
Posted by: Ed L
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The newer PPK/s are probably ok and even the PPK was fine in a 32 ACP.

But, if you want to control and be accurate with the .380 in the older model, you had to grip high and risk slide bite (which could also cause stove pipes but that is another story).

The PPK had a very narrow and short grip which means the felt recoil was concentrated instead of being spread out. So, for its caliber, it was not pleasant. Bersa has a 'fixed' more or less PPK with a wider grip area that is not as painful to shoot.

That being said, the PPK I have is a W. German post war model (not a Manhurin labeled either) and it is extremely accurate despite the terrible tiny sights) as in several bullet one hole accuracy at short range at 7 yards or less.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:42 PM (ctrM5)

443 It should be a fun week

Posted by: Skip at January 19, 2025 09:43 PM (fwDg9)

444 Sure. Drop me a line or give me a call.
Posted by: Weasel at January 19, 2025 09:40 PM (iu4Pw)

Last time I did that you convinced me to anneal my brass every damn time.
And I just did it again today!

Posted by: RI Red - will work for ammo components at January 19, 2025 09:43 PM (ssxQz)

445 The night vision goggle batteries surprised me. Duracells? Really? They used to be some weird single application contract proprietary batts, probably cost a fortune. Maybe they got smarter.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 09:43 PM (r3wfs)

446 Dominating performance, even more impressive during a cold snap when no one is braving sub-zero temperatures to break springs and court misfeeds.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 09:41 PM

Indeed.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 19, 2025 09:43 PM (a3Q+t)

447 >>It's going to be a glorious four years.

I was curious how Trump was going to handle some of the snakes who helped steal his 2020 race. Suspending the security clearance of the 51 former intel clowns who signed the Hunter Biden laptop letter including 4 former CIA Directors tells me he's not turning the other cheek this time.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 19, 2025 09:44 PM (LkLld)

448 They're out there. I saw one at the most recent Chantilly Gun Show. It had really worn grips, but still looked OK.
Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 09:39 PM (AiJK3)

I am learning that old revolvers can be addictive. And potentially very expensive.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at January 19, 2025 09:44 PM (dYCz7)

449 Had to step away for a while.

Glad to see you made your goal of'400'.

14 H 15 M to go.

Stay alert - don't get cocky, kid!

Blessings to everyone.

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at January 19, 2025 09:45 PM (QGaXH)

450 I was curious how Trump was going to handle some of the snakes who helped steal his 2020 race. Suspending the security clearance of the 51 former intel clowns who signed the Hunter Biden laptop letter including 4 former CIA Directors tells me he's not turning the other cheek this time.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 19, 2025 09:44 PM (LkLld)

Scorched earth is best earth.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 09:45 PM (VwHCD)

451 with added salt!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 19, 2025 09:46 PM (uX4GZ)

452 It's taken weeks but Gertie has figured out how to get into the Cozy Cave. She had been trying to back in, but she finally tried going in head first and doing a 180. Progress!

Posted by: Weasel at January 19, 2025 09:47 PM (iu4Pw)

453 445 The night vision goggle batteries surprised me. Duracells? Really? They used to be some weird single application contract proprietary batts, probably cost a fortune. Maybe they got smarter.
Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 09:43 PM (r3wfs)

Since the prior answers were all quite specific, I thought maybe he just didn't know. Duracells are a good brand so...maybe they do use something generic.

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at January 19, 2025 09:47 PM (QGaXH)

454 That being said, the PPK I have is a W. German post war model (not a Manhurin labeled either) and it is extremely accurate despite the terrible tiny sights) as in several bullet one hole accuracy at short range at 7 yards or less.
Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:42 PM (ctrM5)
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PPKs were out of my price range, so I got a Manurhin PP in .32 and it is really, really accurate. One of my favorites.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 09:47 PM (ZOv7s)

455 Lucky you, short ride. 24 hours for me.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads

The lovely Mrs. TP is insistent that, even if I can't make it, she will go as she, once again, wants to discuss hair care subjects with you in detail.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 19, 2025 09:48 PM (WXNFJ)

456 They're out there. I saw one at the most recent Chantilly Gun Show. It had really worn grips, but still looked OK.
Posted by: Ed L

Government agency models mostly have 5 inch barrels which are really my preference in revolvers. Shooting Masters are the premium Colt New Service revolvers made only from 1931 or so to 1938. Those in 357 are probably more rare (by numbers produced even if less pricey) than the number of N Frame Registered Magnums of S&W.

I've only seen Shooting Masters in 357 in collectors mags or auction listings.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:48 PM (ctrM5)

457 & now rly g'night!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 19, 2025 09:48 PM (uX4GZ)

458 Lucky you, short ride. 24 hours for me.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 09:42 PM (VwHCD)

That is dedication! I look forward to meeting you!

In case you haven't learned already, the Beaver Nuggets at Bucee's are gross. This is your public service announcement.

Posted by: Scarymary at January 19, 2025 09:48 PM (whIlM)

459 Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:42 PM (ctrM5)

The "new" 2024 PPK/S is also available (per Walther's on line catalog, at least) with a factory threaded barrel. I read that this is a first for Walther. For the first time, you can cosplay as 007 with a suppressor on your PPK/S. .32 ACP ought to be pretty good out of most 9mm suppressors. The fixed barrel means that a Nielson device for your suppressor is not necessary.

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 09:49 PM (AiJK3)

460 I was curious how Trump was going to handle some of the snakes who helped steal his 2020 race. Suspending the security clearance of the 51 former intel clowns who signed the Hunter Biden laptop letter including 4 former CIA Directors tells me he's not turning the other cheek this time.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 19, 2025 09:44 PM (LkLld)
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When the new US attorneys get installed, I expect three senate seats to be flipped due to election irregularities. Some house districts as well. People will start talkin' when the feds come a-knockin'.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 09:49 PM (ZOv7s)

461 PPKs were out of my price range, so I got a Manurhin PP in .32 and it is really, really accurate. One of my favorites.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
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I inherited the PPK from my father or I would have preferred a Manhurhin PP to shoot. The PPK was given to my father new as a gift by one of his troops pre GCA 1968 and so no importation stamps.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:50 PM (ctrM5)

462 In case you haven't learned already, the Beaver Nuggets at Bucee's are gross. This is your public service announcement.
Posted by: Scarymary at January 19, 2025 09:48 PM

True. The possum and raccoon ones are much better.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 19, 2025 09:50 PM (a3Q+t)

463 I am learning that old revolvers can be addictive. And potentially very expensive.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at January 19, 2025 09:44 PM (dYCz7)

Very true.

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 09:51 PM (AiJK3)

464 In case you haven't learned already, the Beaver Nuggets at Bucee's are gross. This is your public service announcement.
Posted by: Scarymary at January 19, 2025 09:48 PM

True. The possum and raccoon ones are much better.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 19, 2025 09:50 PM (a3Q+t)
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Who would ever want to eat beaver?!

Posted by: Barry O at January 19, 2025 09:52 PM (ZOv7s)

465 The "new" 2024 PPK/S is also available (per Walther's on line catalog, at least) with a factory threaded barrel. I read that this is a first for Walther. For the first time, you can cosplay as 007 with a suppressor on your PPK/S. .32 ACP ought to be pretty good out of most 9mm suppressors. The fixed barrel means that a Nielson device for your suppressor is not necessary.
Posted by: Ed L
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Walther has come back from the brink of corporate failure a couple of decades ago and I think they have been one of the more innovative new firearm in poly frames mfg. out there since then.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:52 PM (ctrM5)

466 The lovely Mrs. TP is insistent that, even if I can't make it, she will go as she, once again, wants to discuss hair care subjects with you in detail.
Posted by: Tonypete at January 19, 2025 09:48 PM

Sadly, noone have been able to talk Berserker into a formal fashion tips post yet.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 19, 2025 09:52 PM (a3Q+t)

467 Also found 2 boxes of .32 S&W (short)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 19, 2025 09:42 PM (8zz6B)

My grandfather's pimp pistol shoots those. A nickel plated S&W with pearl handles. It's chambered for .32 Long but he only used the shorts in it, IIRC.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 19, 2025 09:52 PM (m2tXK)

468 438 I assume everyone has seen Roseanne's new rap video with that other guy?
===
Jay Merz 🇺🇸 @JDFloridaSun
😂 Tom MacDonald and Roseanne Barr just dropped a new song called “Daddy's Home” and it’s hysterical.

https://tinyurl.com/yckcpt6k
2:12 minutes; LOUD

Posted by: andycanuck (5LoD7) at January 19, 2025 09:53 PM (5LoD7)

469 In case you haven't learned already, the Beaver Nuggets at Bucee's are gross. This is your public service announcement.

Posted by: Scarymary at January 19, 2025 09:48 PM (whIlM)

Those beaver nuggets are the highlight of my drive. I started going a new way last year though, so I may not be passing the bucees I stop at in Tennessee. I come down through kentucky now into nashville now to avoid rt81 (hell's highway) in Virginia.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 09:53 PM (VwHCD)

470 They migh use Duracells. So long as the voltage and current is correct anything will work. It woukd save a lot of money.

The BlackHawk battery had a bit of trouble, I noticed the snake eaters modified the acft to use basically a standard automobile batt, or maybe a deep cycle, I dunno. Solved that problem anyhow.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 09:53 PM (r3wfs)

471 Walther has come back from the brink of corporate failure a couple of decades ago and I think they have been one of the more innovative new firearm in poly frames mfg. out there since then.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:52 PM

I think Walther triggers are slightly bettter than H&Ks; perhaps the new VP9-A1 trigger will beat Walthers.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 19, 2025 09:54 PM (a3Q+t)

472 The night vision goggle batteries surprised me. Duracells? Really? They used to be some weird single application contract proprietary batts, probably cost a fortune. Maybe they got smarter.
Posted by: Common Tater

PVS14 takes AA.
PVS7 takes the special ones.

Posted by: Erebus- Ex Killer Whale at January 19, 2025 09:54 PM (elaR+)

473 Sadly, noone have been able to talk Berserker into a formal fashion tips post yet.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 19, 2025 09:52 PM (a3Q+t)

Because I have no fashion. Black harley t shirts and jeans isn't a fashion, its a statement. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 09:55 PM (VwHCD)

474 Ok, we made it!
Weasel, thx, even though I got a double demerit today. I may ax you some questions about you tube.
You, too, schorfle.
I may have some bottled up creativity to dispense, what with my new fun employment.
Posted by: RI Red - will work for ammo components at January 19, 2025 09:38 PM (ssxQz)

Happy to help if I can. I came over to Rumble after they bought Callin and shut it down; their Rumble Studio was the replacement product. It has worked pretty well for me for the past year.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 19, 2025 09:55 PM (v23vE)

475 Bob day was a GREAT MAN, of this, have no doubts.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim
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I think you nailed the answer to the question. Hope you are doing fine today and ready for the snow.
Posted by: whig

Whig-thanks for the response. I looked up Bud Day, and wow, what a guy. I don't think it was him, because I'm sure that the person who told me about Mr. Day would have mentioned a lot of that history.

Jim SND - hello sir, and I think you nailed it. I did a search on his name and a blog was talking about how back in the day he used his skill and knowledge to accurize guns, vs dropping in fancy after-market stuff. That fits in with the .45 I'm aware of. There are two external visual clues that the gun was messed with: an extended front sight and tread grip wrapped around the front of the hand grip lol.

And it's a bonus that you personally knew him! It's too bad about his plane crash. That 1911 is a tack driver and more accurate than most people who would shoot it. Sweeeet trigger on it too.

Thank you! I don't think I would have found his name on my own! Have a good night.

Posted by: haffhowershower at January 19, 2025 09:56 PM (NMT5x)

476 The lovely Mrs. TP is insistent that, even if I can't make it, she will go as she, once again, wants to discuss hair care subjects with you in detail.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 19, 2025 09:48 PM (WXNFJ)

How will she get there?

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 09:56 PM (VwHCD)

477 In case you haven't learned already, the Beaver Nuggets at Bucee's are gross. This is your public service announcement.
Posted by: Scarymary

Made from real beaver?

Posted by: Erebus- Ex Killer Whale at January 19, 2025 09:56 PM (elaR+)

478 Walther has come back from the brink of corporate failure a couple of decades ago and I think they have been one of the more innovative new firearm in poly frames mfg. out there since then.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:52 PM (ctrM5)
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Ian at Forgotten Weapons credits James Bond from saving their bacon. Specifically, Pierce Brosnan saying "Ah, the new Walther" and making the P99 a "must have" purchase.

They also looked very sexy in "Underworld."

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 09:56 PM (ZOv7s)

479 Walther has come back from the brink of corporate failure a couple of decades ago and I think they have been one of the more innovative new firearm in poly frames mfg. out there since then.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:52 PM (ctrM5)

Agreed. I picked up P99 and shot a new PDP. Both have really good triggers for striker fired pistols.

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 09:57 PM (AiJK3)

480 Because I have no fashion. Black harley t shirts and jeans isn't a fashion, its a statement. lol

*fist bump*

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 19, 2025 09:57 PM (mH6SG)

481 I come down through kentucky now into nashville now to avoid rt81 (hell's highway) in Virginia.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 09:53 PM (VwHCD)
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I may try something like that this year if for no other reason than to see some different scenery.

Posted by: Weasel at January 19, 2025 09:59 PM (iu4Pw)

482 463 I am learning that old revolvers can be addictive. And potentially very expensive.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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Depends, investment grade are very expensive but there are a lot of interesting variants that unless you are a true blue revolver collector, you will not notice.

I picked up a rare pre model 15 S&W revolver that had a 5 inch factory barrel. Turns out those were an overage from an Illinois State Police order in 1958. I paid less than you would have for a newer stainless model 10 or a refinished Victory model because the finish was worn from a holster a bit at the muzzle. Function was excellent.

Same thing stumbling into a Hi Standard Sentinel (first model) in nickel as a snubbie. Paid about half the price those were going for even then. Nickel plating was a bit dirty and so people passed on it.

And so on. Often, if you find a nickel plated revolver, the finish might be flaking but those are relatively easy to have refinished in electroless nickel plating.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:59 PM (ctrM5)

483 Okay, time to go. Thanks, Weasel!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at January 19, 2025 10:00 PM (ZOv7s)

484 14 hours.

Posted by: eleven at January 19, 2025 10:00 PM (fV+MH)

485 What I’m getting at, night vision goggles did not use a standard size, like AA or C or whatever. That isn’t how government contracts work.

They had more weirdo (physical dimensions) batteries than you ever saw, for any piece of gear thst needed batteries. Non-standard connectors too. They did have to meet storage or shelf life requirements. Modern flashlight batteries are usually junk, and leak. Brand names don’t mean much.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 19, 2025 10:00 PM (r3wfs)

486 ONT, posted by the Gub Thread's very own Disco Doof, is nood.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 19, 2025 10:01 PM (v23vE)

487 I may try something like that this year if for no other reason than to see some different scenery.

Posted by: Weasel at January 19, 2025 09:59 PM (iu4Pw)

It is a way way nice ride, for me anyway. I go through PA, into columbus, ohio, and head south through kentucky to nashville, then head west.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 10:01 PM (VwHCD)

488 Good night folks.

Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 10:01 PM (ctrM5)

489 Weasel and schnorfle, which platform is best going forward, do you think? YT certainly has the history, but I side with disruption.

Posted by: RI Red - will work for ammo components at January 19, 2025 10:01 PM (ssxQz)

490 Doof nood

Posted by: Matthew Kant Cipher at January 19, 2025 10:02 PM (SwYaS)

491 I love my Benelli M2. She just takes it all and never complains.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 19, 2025 10:02 PM (hXQfZ)

492 Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 10:01 PM (VwHCD)
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I'll check it out. Thanks amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at January 19, 2025 10:03 PM (iu4Pw)

493 Those beaver nuggets are the highlight of my drive. I started going a new way last year though, so I may not be passing the bucees I stop at in Tennessee. I come down through kentucky now into nashville now to avoid rt81 (hell's highway) in Virginia.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 19, 2025 09:53 PM (VwHCD)

Buc-ee's announced that they will open their first Virginia location in Harrisonburg (off I-81) on July 4, 2025.

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 10:03 PM (AiJK3)

494 Thanks for hosting, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at January 19, 2025 10:04 PM (AiJK3)

495 My father was drafted in 1942, and was in both the Louisiana and Texas Maneuvers. They started out with Springfields, and for a while thought they would never get those new rifles. All through training, they were issued cartridges that had a mixture of black powder and smokeless, so every time you used a rifle it had to be cleaned twice -- once in a washtub with soap and water, and then the way we would recognize. They got called out on a problem once while his best buddy's rifle was still in the suds, and when they got back it had a nice coating of light rust all over it. That's when they got a line by line description of what a "statement of charges" was. The private and a couple of his friends worked most of a night getting that rifle in presentable condition.

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at January 19, 2025 10:12 PM (zdLoL)

496 Lights out time at Kaserne Van Owen.
Weasel, thanks for a most excellent thread, and in particular hooking me up with Jim.

Next week we meet under new (Presidential) management. Yippee Ki Yay!

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at January 19, 2025 10:12 PM (dYCz7)

497 489 Weasel and schnorfle, which platform is best going forward, do you think? YT certainly has the history, but I side with disruption.
Posted by: RI Red - will work for ammo components at January 19, 2025 10:01 PM (ssxQz)

YouTube has a reputation for censoring more content, though that's mostly due to music copyright issues rather than mentioning evil gubs. She Equips Herself and the Armed Attorneys are two channels I watch that have a lot of firearms content -- I'm sure they have to be very careful about exactly what they say to avoid triggering the YouTube bots.

Rumble is more committed to free speech; not sure how they are on copyright enforcement.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy - OT but harmless at January 19, 2025 10:17 PM (v23vE)

498 Lucky so far that spinal channel itself has only been mildly affected.
Posted by: whig at January 19, 2025 09:03 PM (ctrM5)

You should see if they can sleeve your spinal cord like they do really old shot out barrels. Now THAT would be a medical advance.

Posted by: GWB at January 19, 2025 10:30 PM (hzHvq)

499 signing back in

Posted by: andycanuck (5LoD7) at January 19, 2025 10:58 PM (5LoD7)

500 ". If you could travel back in time and be a part of this meeting, what would you say to them?"

Reagan, don't do amnesty.

Trump, don't put your dick in Stormy Daniels

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at January 19, 2025 11:27 PM (9yUzE)

501 They don't call it "Sodom on the Potomac and Gomorrah on the Deleware for nothing' ...

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503 Lots of rounds may not help with developing accuracy but it sure as heck improves feel. I know exactly what my guns will feel like when i pull that trigger and thats not nothing.

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