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Is Our Strategic Relationship With Europe a "Sunk Cost Fallacy?"
It is axiomatic among the ruling classes of the West that the strategic and cultural relationship between America and Europe is the bedrock of global stability. They will trot out all sorts of platitudes reinforcing the idea that our shared culture, love of democratic ideals, dedication to market economies, pluralism, blah... blah... blah... makes us a common culture separated by an ocean.
And it couldn't be farther from the truth! The disconnect built up a huge head of steam in the 1960s as the Soviets built a massive and comprehensive disinformation campaign designed to weaken Europe and make it more accepting of Soviet socialism and distancing itself from America. It demonized the American military presence in Europe, inflated the threat of nuclear war with America as the atomic bully, nurtured an active socialist political effort, supported a maniacal post-modern interpretation of history and culture, and pushed Europe toward what can only be called an unaligned stance. It worked. Of course with a huge amount of help from Europe itself, which grew rich by not having to pay for its own defense...relying on the United States to counter the Soviet threat. The current state of most of Europe is that of a failing, demographically challenged region that is gleefully importing 7th century savages to clean their toilets, gobble up their welfare benefits, and rape their women. They are a communitarian culture without a shred of individuality, love of country, martial spirit, or even a sense of history. With the exception of a few eastern European countries whose experience with communism is fresh in their minds, the continent is content to drift into soft socialism, with its attendant decrease in standards of living. Yes, there are attempts to wrest control from the elites who desire that outcome; France, Germany, and Italy are pushing back with what are laughably called "Far Right" political parties. But what that really means is soft socialism with stricter border controls. The current dust-up in Eastern Ukraine is a perfect example of Europe's failure. They are obsessive in their hatred of Russia and Putin, but use Russia's natural gas! They want Russia driven back to its original borders, but are unwilling to pay for the effort, rebuild their armed forces to present a strong and unified front, and certainly not send troops! No... they prefer that America spends its treasure on what is a regional border dispute. They rail against Israel's defensive war against militant Islam, ignoring the reality that Israel is fighting for the entire West. Yet they trade with Iran and even evade sanctions to provide the Mad Mullahs with technology that will bring them closer to an atomic bomb. They are happy to take Chinese and Arab money, carefully ignoring that its intent is to buy influence. And we are supposed to continue to spend our blood and treasure to defend them? Why America Abandoning Europe Would Be a Strategic MistakeAnd while there is a consensus in DC that China and the Indo-Pacific should be prioritized in US strategy going forward, for the first time in a century the fundamentals of the future of US relations with Europe are up for debate. How did we get here? For too long Atlanticism has been taken for granted as the cornerstone of American foreign policy, and as in a marriage of many years, what seemed obvious for so long needs to be re-articulated afresh. Historically America's commitment to Europe has been about the fundamentals of geopolitics. The United States is a quintessentially naval power situated in a hemisphere separated from the Eurasian landmass by two oceans. Since the early twentieth century it has been a given that accessing secure maritime routes across the Atlantic -- and in a national emergency, controlling them -- is in the country's irreducible national interest. The ability to do so has ensured the security of the American homeland and the Western hemisphere, and equally importantly, the nation's prosperity and economic growth.
The author very carefully fails to address the huge difference between America's commitment to Europe, and Europe's commitment to America. It is long past the time when we should evaluate the alliances with Europe from the perspective of what is good for America. When the relationship is so one-sided, and the contempt for America that oozes out of most European capitals is obvious, why bother?
Simply put, if America loses credibility in Europe, it will lose credibility in the Pacific, the Middle East, and elsewhere. So, it's time to conceptualize again and, most importantly, communicate to the electorate why today Europe matters to the United States' security to the degree that it has for over a century now, and -- while it may sound counterintuitive to some as China continues to expand its military at speed and scale -- that it should be prioritized going forward.
Our credibility is unimportant. We do not need the approval of the Bien-Pensants in Paris and Berlin to take measures designed to benefit America. Credibility on the geopolitical stage is effete nonsense. What counts is military and economic power. If that requires military bases in Europe, make them strict financial relationships, but the NATO conceit must end. We are NATO, and it is an idea that is past its time. Countering the Soviet threat sounds lovely in 1968, but it sounds expensive and duplicative in 2025. NATO is now a jobs program for top-heavy militaries, and even worse, its expansion has made Eastern Europe a much less safe place! And the alliance is nothing of a sort...just look at Turkey as an example. They are actively working against one of our most loyal allies, are busily trying to expand their influence in the Middle East, and are supporting Islamists across the region. How is all of that good for us? It isn't, but the momentum of 75 years of NATO is very difficult to stop, in large part because our sclerotic government sees the huge investment as a signal of an unbreakable commitment. But the best thing possible for America's strategic security would be to evaluate NATO and Europe from the perspective of 2025...not 1949. We need real allies, not allies of convenience that cash our checks and then laugh that we are paying. [Crossposted at CutJibNewsletter]
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Skip at January 12, 2025 12:00 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: Sassy Fred at January 12, 2025 12:02 PM (RMjVS)
We are not China.
I hope this continues for the USA:
We are not Britain or Europe.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 12, 2025 12:03 PM (Gqoy+)
The Globalists will of course fight this at every turn.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 12, 2025 12:06 PM (Gqoy+)
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at January 12, 2025 12:07 PM (q8Zj0)
They are suspending a bunch of city, county, and coastal commission regulations for building in the area. You know, those hundreds of regulations that were absolutely necessary for building safely in California, and for justifying the bureaucracy...but most for justifying the bureaucracy.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 11:58 AM (W/lyH)
This is an Adam Corolla thing.
NOW they're deregulating this shit.
Posted by: eleven at January 12, 2025 12:08 PM (fV+MH)
Posted by: Raoul Ortega at January 12, 2025 12:09 PM (C4d+l)
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 12, 2025 12:09 PM (ZtAny)
Posted by: Skip at January 12, 2025 12:09 PM (fwDg9)
Europe is much closer to the homes of our betters living in DC and the New England states. It's also much more chic to go there than that icky China, or Philippines, or Korea.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 12:09 PM (W/lyH)
I'm starting to think so. There values ARE different than theirs. They value multi-culturalism way beyond what I would consider the aggregated worth of those cultures to be. They value centralized government at the expense of individual freedom.
They seem to feel we should fight their chosen war in Ukraine for them when everyone other than the UK gave us tepid support in the war on terror.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 12, 2025 12:10 PM (3wi/L)
Posted by: eleven at January 12, 2025 12:10 PM (fV+MH)
Just a global pragmatist.
Posted by: eleven at January 12, 2025 12:10 PM (fV+MH)
Yup.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 12, 2025 12:11 PM (d9fT1)
Posted by: Next2Nothing at January 12, 2025 12:11 PM (tA1/w)
Posted by: eleven
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What they say they are going to do and what they do may be two different things.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 12, 2025 12:12 PM (f/z+J)
Posted by: Europe Sucks Donkey Balls at January 12, 2025 12:12 PM (R/m4+)
Posted by: Next2Nothing at January 12, 2025 12:11 PM (tA1/w)
Yes, which is why we need to pay attention to what is best for US!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 12, 2025 12:12 PM (d9fT1)
Just a global pragmatist.
Posted by: eleven at January 12, 2025 12:10 PM (fV+MH)
Yup.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 12, 2025 12:11 PM (d9fT1)
Agreed.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 12:12 PM (W/lyH)
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at January 12, 2025 12:12 PM (q8Zj0)
'The third time will be more European Civil War if they can take it.'
At least in the case of an European Civil War there might be a side that we want to win.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 12, 2025 12:13 PM (3wi/L)
Posted by: Skip at January 12, 2025 12:14 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 11:58 AM (W/lyH)
This is an Adam Corolla thing.
NOW they're deregulating this shit.
Posted by: eleven at January 12, 2025 12:08 PM (fV+MH)
My grandfather, an Old World-trained journeyman cabinet maker, travelled across the continent and made $20 a day, paid in gold coin, in 1913 post-earthquake San Francisco. His eyes gleamed when he talked about those days.
Posted by: mrp at January 12, 2025 12:14 PM (rj6Yv)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 12, 2025 12:15 PM (f/z+J)
But I'm no military strategist, so don't know how true that ever was, and if it still is. We can't get our government to fight the obvious war China is already waging on us, but certainly we should make Europe put up more men and money to protect themselves.
I guess it is maybe good in theory, to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here ... but as digital war and covert war became the new warfare ... everything has changed.
Posted by: illiniwek at January 12, 2025 12:16 PM (Cus5s)
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at January 12, 2025 12:17 PM (g8Ew8)
As a betting man, Germany is lost. Britain probably. France may survive. Developing ...
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 12, 2025 12:17 PM (Gqoy+)
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at January 12, 2025 12:18 PM (y4TrT)
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 11:58 AM (W/lyH)
This is an Adam Corolla thing.
NOW they're deregulating this shit.
Posted by: eleven at January 12, 2025 12:08 PM (fV+MH)
You can be certain that the benefits of this deregulation will be available only to certain Friends of the Regime.
And if the coming mudslides are severe enough, many of the building sites may cease to exist.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 12, 2025 12:18 PM (8zz6B)
Posted by: Skip at January 12, 2025 12:19 PM (fwDg9)
You should have seen how desolate it became during Desert Shield/Storm when 90% of our soldiers weren't there to distribute their paychecks into the local economy. Almost every "club" went out of business. The one that stayed open due to it also being a local favorite... When everyone came back the owner bought Jaguar XJ12's for himself and his wife, cash. Hell, McDonalds almost went out of business. Snitchzel stands became a thing of the past. Barbers disappeared. Pizza joints gone. German guys could get laid again. It was weird.
Posted by: Reforger at January 12, 2025 12:19 PM (xcIvR)
Posted by: Next2Nothing"
Nobody is "winning". China isn't "winning", Russia isn't "winning"
The Saudis the Iranians nobody. Israel.
Who is winning?
Nobody is winning anything right now.
Argentina?
Posted by: eleven at January 12, 2025 12:20 PM (fV+MH)
'I'd heard that Turkey was important for us in fighting in the Middle East'
Turkey decided to join the dark side. We need to demobilize our airbase there. And then cease and desist supporting them.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 12, 2025 12:20 PM (3wi/L)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 12, 2025 12:20 PM (f/z+J)
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at January 12, 2025 12:20 PM (y4TrT)
Truth told, it couldn't happen in a better location.
One thing is certain; Cowardly Goveror Newsom is a handsom devil!
Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 12, 2025 12:22 PM (hXQfZ)
Posted by: Pilgrim State Hospital Bldg 23 at January 12, 2025 12:22 PM (G5+As)
'As a betting man, Germany is lost'
They've survived their own colossal failures before. They could come back.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 12, 2025 12:22 PM (3wi/L)
At least in the case of an European Civil War there might be a side that we want to win.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 12, 2025 12:13 PM (3wi/L)
50 quatloos we pick the wrong side.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 12:23 PM (W/lyH)
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at January 12, 2025 12:23 PM (dg+HA)
And if the coming mudslides are severe enough, many of the building sites may cease to exist.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 12, 2025 12:18 PM (8zz6B)
I read it took people a year to get the permits to bulldoze their property from the last fire....they didn't even mention "building" permits.
Posted by: BignJames at January 12, 2025 12:23 PM (Yj6Os)
Posted by: Barack Ojackoff at January 12, 2025 12:23 PM (PwYDh)
(from the back an Austrian chimed up, "...or WON one in another hundred....")
Anyway, yeah, Euros figure if you believe in nothing, nothing is worth fighting for.
Posted by: goatexchange at January 12, 2025 12:23 PM (hyS0X)
Posted by: Reforger at January 12, 2025 12:19 PM (xcIvR)
Herds of feral pigs running through Berlin suburbs.
Posted by: mrp at January 12, 2025 12:23 PM (rj6Yv)
Another pillar of LA knocked out.
Trump is going to make Gavin the poster child for Woke Government Malfeasance. He'll beat him like a pinata. Then he'll club him like a baby seal.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 12, 2025 12:24 PM (Gqoy+)
The wackier branches of Eurosocialism describe Europe as being under American occupation. Whereas there are more cops in NYC than American troops in Germany.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 12, 2025 12:25 PM (dxSpM)
Truth told, it couldn't happen in a better location.
One thing is certain; Cowardly Goveror Newsom is a handsom devil!
Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 12, 2025 12:22 PM (hXQfZ)
His concave face is sad and odd.
I wonder if inviting Mexican "fire fighters" was a way to legitimize the reconquista he favors?
Posted by: Long night... at January 12, 2025 12:25 PM (2NXcZ)
He'll beat him like a pinata. Then he'll club him like a baby seal.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 12, 2025 12:24 PM (Gqoy+)
_________
Then whip him like a rented mule.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 12, 2025 12:26 PM (dxSpM)
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 12, 2025 12:26 PM (3wi/L)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 12, 2025 12:26 PM (f/z+J)
this is about me, isn't it?
Posted by: e. coli on the cabbage at January 12, 2025 12:26 PM (edU/H)
Posted by: Just the punchline at January 12, 2025 12:27 PM (dg+HA)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 12, 2025 12:27 PM (IG4Id)
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 12:09 PM (W/lyH)
"Downton Abbey", and "Game of Thrones" are very popular with that set. Servants, clever talk, strolls through the gardens, lavish dinners, and dancing. Smelly people kept far away and under control.
Posted by: mrp at January 12, 2025 12:27 PM (rj6Yv)
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 12, 2025 12:24 PM (Gqoy+)
I'm stealing this.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 12:27 PM (W/lyH)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 12, 2025 12:27 PM (f/z+J)
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 12, 2025 12:24 PM (Gqoy+)
I hope so. And we'll get the Malibu of the 1940s and 50s? Good.
Posted by: Long night... at January 12, 2025 12:28 PM (2NXcZ)
It is a mistake to impute the prejudices of the WEF "global elite" to all the people that they rule.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 12, 2025 12:28 PM (8zz6B)
Posted by: We can hope at January 12, 2025 12:29 PM (dg+HA)
Posted by: Braenyard
Cabron, we have Pie. No problemo.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 12, 2025 12:29 PM (IG4Id)
Europe is much closer to the homes of our betters living in DC and the New England states.
_________
To them, Europe is a neighbor and Nebraska is a foreign country.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 12, 2025 12:29 PM (dxSpM)
'Trump is going to make Gavin the poster child for Woke Government Malfeasance. He'll beat him like a pinata. Then he'll club him like a baby seal.'
Newsom has only himself to blame. He failed to solve a predictable and solvable problem. Now it's eating him alive.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 12, 2025 12:30 PM (3wi/L)
Did any of the European countries do that?
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 12:30 PM (W/lyH)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 12, 2025 12:27 PM (f/z+J)
Nah. An excuse to say how vital they are.
Now CA can be unburdened by the past and move to a WEF agenda.
Posted by: Long night... at January 12, 2025 12:30 PM (2NXcZ)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 12, 2025 12:30 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 12, 2025 12:31 PM (mT+6a)
Like Ghana.
Posted by: Karen Bass-O-Matic at January 12, 2025 12:31 PM (dg+HA)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 12, 2025 12:28 PM (8zz6B)
WEF loves transgenderism
Posted by: Long night... at January 12, 2025 12:32 PM (2NXcZ)
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 12, 2025 12:32 PM (YeGMU)
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 12, 2025 12:31 PM (mT+6a)
A very cogent point.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 12:32 PM (W/lyH)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 12, 2025 12:30 PM (63Dwl)
Its very lack of existence might slow it up a little.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 12, 2025 12:32 PM (8zz6B)
Probably.
Even the Limeys, who you'd think from history would fight tooth and nail for their land and sovereignty, have limply surrendered to The Carefully Assisted Rape of Great Britain.
There should be politicians hanging from lampposts all over London, but...Nope.
"Shame about our daughter, Crystal, getting raped repeatedly. Ah well. let's turn on the telly. Pass the Marmite, would you, luv?"
Posted by: naturalfake at January 12, 2025 12:32 PM (iJfKG)
Posted by: Skip at January 12, 2025 12:32 PM (fwDg9)
"Downton Abbey", and "Game of Thrones" are very popular with that set. Servants, clever talk, strolls through the gardens, lavish dinners, and dancing. Smelly people kept far away and under control.
Posted by: mrp at January 12, 2025 12:27 PM (rj6Yv)
_________
British royals are most popular with AWFLs, who have fantasies about having dwelt in marble halls. The NYC-DC types would love it if we had titles of nobility in this country.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 12, 2025 12:33 PM (bL2vj)
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 12, 2025 12:30 PM (3wi/L)
Whitmer's time is passing quickly in the Wolverine State. The Michigan House is once again under GOP control (for whatever that's worth), and her witches' brew of progressive government spending programs is receiving greater scrutiny.
Posted by: mrp at January 12, 2025 12:33 PM (rj6Yv)
Did any of the European countries do that?
Posted by: Diogenes
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Iran
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 12, 2025 12:33 PM (f/z+J)
Posted by: Skip
He's toast, but gold for any number of corporate boards and think tanks for life.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 12, 2025 12:34 PM (IG4Id)
Posted by: BignJames at January 12, 2025 12:34 PM (Yj6Os)
Posted by: Sorry. Couldn't resist at January 12, 2025 12:34 PM (dg+HA)
Posted by: BifBewalski at January 12, 2025 12:34 PM (MsrgL)
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 12, 2025 12:34 PM (YeGMU)
NOW they're deregulating this shit.
Posted by: eleven at January 12, 2025 12:08 PM (fV+MH)
You can be certain that the benefits of this deregulation will be available only to certain Friends of the Regime.
And if the coming mudslides are severe enough, many of the building sites may cease to exist.
At the ever-present risk of being a Pollyanna, perhaps the left has understood that this will be an existential moment for them. If they screw up the recovery with their usual nonsense, the much-predicted shift to the right might actually happen.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2025 12:34 PM (xCA6C)
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 12, 2025 12:34 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: naturalfake at January 12, 2025 12:32 PM (iJfKG)
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Not so simple as that. There have been cases of parents, attempting to get their daughters back, had the police called on them by the rapists and been arrested.
The police are complicit.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 12:34 PM (6K6Eu)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 12, 2025 12:35 PM (IG4Id)
Posted by: CBD
I'm not sure why 'Foreign Aid (FA)' wasn't included in this analysis.
Either the FA is used to pay the US Military Industrial Complex or it is taken and put into bank accounts owned by despots and their families.
Our Treasure, lives and/or Taxes, ought to be spent on our fellow US citizens.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 12, 2025 12:35 PM (lTSPa)
Posted by: WitchDoktor at January 12, 2025 12:36 PM (U5d8P)
Just to give notice and time for NATO and our European allies time to shape up.
If they can't do that, then begin drawing down troops.
Assuming we have a good economy to absorb them.
Sometimes I think Biden's wrecking of the economy is all of a piece to keep us stuck in place like a cockroach on a glue pad.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 12, 2025 12:36 PM (iJfKG)
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 12, 2025 12:36 PM (YeGMU)
Seen a few articles that think Gruesome is done in politics as far as any national office goes
Posted by: Skip
Nothing a couple billion dollars of media make over can't fix.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 12, 2025 12:36 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 11:58 AM (W/lyH)
Invest in mobile home and pre-fab home manufacturing businesses.
Posted by: Kindltot at January 12, 2025 12:36 PM (D7oie)
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 12:36 PM (6K6Eu)
Posted by: naturalfake at January 12, 2025 12:32 PM (iJfKG)
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Not so simple as that. There have been cases of parents, attempting to get their daughters back, had the police called on them by the rapists and been arrested.
The police are complicit.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 12:34 PM (6K6Eu)
This is what I understand has happened. I doubt I'd shed a tear if every judge, politician, and policeman involved in these injustices had a horde of angry parents whose daughters were raped by these gangs take revenge.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 12, 2025 12:37 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 12, 2025 12:30 PM (63Dwl)
We'll stop them in the Fulda Gap!
OPLAN 33001.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 12:37 PM (W/lyH)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 12, 2025 12:37 PM (IG4Id)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 12, 2025 12:37 PM (f/z+J)
Sunk cost - Yes
Fallacy - Yes
For last quarter century, at least, Europe has devolved into a haven for Middle Eastern and African refugees of the worst kind. This is what NATO now represents and is supposed to protect... with our money and blood.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 12, 2025 12:37 PM (Q4IgG)
If we consider what would have happened if Kamala Harris had been elected would anyone have been surprised to see Britain or France successfully demanding extradition of American citizens for thought crimes on Twitter or Facebook?
And the managed democracy of Europe is no more amenable to American notions of freedom than those of Russia or Iran.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 12, 2025 12:37 PM (t0Rmr)
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 12, 2025 12:36 PM (YeGMU)
Used to be a Black Angus not too far from here. One day, the light went out on the "g" and it became "Stuart Anderson's Black Anus"...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 12, 2025 12:38 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: Skip
Nothing a couple billion dollars of media make over can't fix.
Which outlet do you think still carries that kind of weight? The media is a spent force. When CNN and MSNBC lose to reruns of Mork and Mindy, they're just a Potemkin Village.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2025 12:38 PM (xCA6C)
De cara a cara con el porvenir,
qué meta puede hablar,
si no es la meta de vencer o morir.
En cada cuadra un fuego,
en cada barrio en llamas,
cuadra por barrio, barrio por pueblo,
país en fuego: conflagración.
Desde la sierra a la ciudad,
tanto en el monte como en el mar,
cuadra por barrio, barrio por pueblo
a reventarlo por el comité
¡En cada barrio, conflagración!
Posted by: Kindltot at January 12, 2025 12:39 PM (D7oie)
For last quarter century, at least, Europe has devolved into a haven for Middle Eastern and African refugees of the worst kind. This is what NATO now represents and is supposed to protect... with our money and blood.
Eurosoc then: a Boot Stamping on a Human Face
Eurosoc now: an effeminate cop arresting a pre-teen rape victim for trying to report a Muslim rape gang
Posted by: 18-1 at January 12, 2025 12:39 PM (t0Rmr)
what goal can be named,
if not the goal of victory or death.
In every block a fire,
in every neighborhood in flames,
block by block, neighborhood by neighborhood, neighborhood by town,
country on fire: revolution.
From the mountains to the city,
in the mountains as well as in the sea,
block by block, neighborhood by neighborhood, neighborhood by town
I destroy it up for the Committee.
In every neighborhood, wild fire!
Posted by: Kindltot at January 12, 2025 12:39 PM (D7oie)
Posted by: Kindltot at January 12, 2025 12:36 PM (D7oie)
I'm sure those won't be permitted. It will be large, lavish estate homes, and Soviet-style apartment blocks.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 12, 2025 12:39 PM (8zz6B)
Or a Cromwell. I don't think Farage is one, but that's what follows after him if he's unsuccessful.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2025 12:39 PM (xCA6C)
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 12, 2025 12:39 PM (YeGMU)
Posted by: Archimedes
The March through the institutions is complete. There will be no change in idiots composure. "Ok, let's rebuild but with Equity~!!" I foresee perpetual accomodation.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 12, 2025 12:39 PM (IG4Id)
We would do far better to focus on our hemisphere, not to nation build, but to incentivize Canada and Central and South America to improve their infrastructures and societies for their own citizens. And build the dang wall. You want our money/help? Do not send another person across our border. Do not allow third country nationals access through your countries to our border. As vmom includes in her nic, "deport, deport, deport", but from your locales.
Posted by: Moki at January 12, 2025 12:40 PM (wLjpr)
Americans were (when I was there just before "unification") 6% of the population, 25% of the economy and caused 19% of the accidents on the Autobahn.
Posted by: Reforger at January 12, 2025 12:40 PM (xcIvR)
Posted by: 18-1 at January 12, 2025 12:39 PM (t0Rmr)
The Eurosocialist needs the rape gangs to be the boot stamping on the face forever.
Posted by: Kindltot at January 12, 2025 12:40 PM (D7oie)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 12, 2025 12:40 PM (f/z+J)
Jeffries says Greenland, Panama Canal or Gulf of Mexico isn't on the Democrats agenda
You can bet anything that help Trump or MAGA isn't on the Democrats agenda
Posted by: Skip at January 12, 2025 12:40 PM (fwDg9)
OPLAN 33001.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 12:37 PM (W/lyH)
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There were two SPI tactical simulations back in the 80s, Fulda Gap and Hof Gap. Never played them myself.
The Avalon Hill simulation TacAir covered the Fulda Gap area.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 12:41 PM (6K6Eu)
Next step in England is vigilantism.
Posted by: Braenyard
The Mods and the Rockers team up with the soccer hooligans.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 12, 2025 12:41 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at January 12, 2025 12:41 PM (dg+HA)
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 12, 2025 12:42 PM (YeGMU)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 12, 2025 12:39 PM (8zz6B)
Maybe. Probably. But what are people going to live in while their lavish estates are being rebuilt? Hotels are expensive and there is almost no spare apartments in LA, multi unit housing is relatively rare
Modulars are fast and temporary
Posted by: Kindltot at January 12, 2025 12:43 PM (D7oie)
We do have very real allies. "The answer will shock you!" It's not the governments that launder our money back to us.
Posted by: t-bird at January 12, 2025 12:43 PM (U7Cio)
Posted by: Braenyard
Wrong. The next step is Crown sponsored rape arenas.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 12, 2025 12:43 PM (IG4Id)
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 12, 2025 12:42 PM (YeGMU)
They remember September 1, 1939. Even the kids today. How many of our youth know about December 7, 1941, or heck, even September 11, 2001?
Posted by: Moki at January 12, 2025 12:43 PM (wLjpr)
Argentina?
Posted by: eleven at January 12, 2025 12:20 PM (fV+MH)
Well, we did give Pelosi back to you with a broken hip.
Posted by: Stairs in Luxembourg at January 12, 2025 12:43 PM (PiwSw)
Posted by: mrp at January 12, 2025 12:14 PM (rj6Yv)
My great grandfather supplied sandstone for the rebuilding of SF, and those were the salad days for the quarries.
Posted by: Kindltot at January 12, 2025 12:44 PM (D7oie)
Interesting chart from GS that unlike the US, Eurozone, China, and Japan did not return back to their pre-pandemic real GDP economic growth trend.
https://is.gd/mycNpZ
Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2025 12:45 PM (xCA6C)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 12, 2025 12:45 PM (gm9Sb)
Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2025 12:39 PM (xCA6C)
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"Caesar had his Brutus, Charles the Foist had his Cromwell, and George swingin' the Third better cool before he plays the fool."
--Patrick Henry, via Lord Buckley
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 12:45 PM (6K6Eu)
Modulars are fast and temporary
Posted by: Kindltot at January 12, 2025 12:43 PM (D7oie)
They will buy up unburned homes from based Californians who are fed up and want to unass the State.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 12, 2025 12:45 PM (8zz6B)
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 12, 2025 12:42 PM (YeGMU)
Well, it is good tank terrain.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 12:45 PM (W/lyH)
The Biden junta stole the election there, just like they did the one here - and installed a felon who was not eligible to even run for president.
I suspect Trump will spend some effort trying to right that wrong.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 12, 2025 12:46 PM (t0Rmr)
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 12, 2025 12:46 PM (YeGMU)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 12, 2025 12:45 PM (gm9Sb)
Remember Gleiwitz!!!
Posted by: Moki at January 12, 2025 12:46 PM (wLjpr)
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 12, 2025 12:42 PM (YeGMU)
Well, it is good tank terrain.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 12:45 PM (W/lyH)
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Cavalry. Re-embody the Winged Hussars!!
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 12:46 PM (6K6Eu)
Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2025 12:47 PM (xCA6C)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 12, 2025 12:47 PM (cY18j)
The Avalon Hill simulation TacAir covered the Fulda Gap area.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 12:41 PM (6K6Eu)
I bought the SPI Fulda Gap. Kinda similar to the SPI Sinai simulation. Two burning fuses on either side of the map, with a series of big BOOMS! in the middle. Glad it never happened.
Posted by: mrp at January 12, 2025 12:47 PM (rj6Yv)
Posted by: Some Ottoman Jannissary at January 12, 2025 12:48 PM (t0Rmr)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 12, 2025 12:30 PM (63Dwl)
We'll stop them in the Fulda Gap!
OPLAN 33001.
Posted by: Diogenes
Not without your 8" FA unit, a good portion of demilled Persing II, and my olde Nike Hercules we aren't. The depth and breadth of deliberate treasonous policy here makes my rage white hot at these assholes.
Posted by: BifBewalski at January 12, 2025 12:48 PM (MsrgL)
There is not a dime's worth of difference between them and the Russians these days other than the Russians can still tell their men from their women.
Poland and some others are maybe worth be allied with, but we need higher standards to get in our club than the chattering classes liking to vacation in a particular place.
Posted by: Thatch at January 12, 2025 12:48 PM (bbi0+)
Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 12, 2025 12:48 PM (O8bOp)
Did any of the European countries do that?
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 12:30 PM (W/lyH)
Israel deals with a lot of forest and scrub fires in arid conditions. They have a surprising number because it is a form of terrorism.
Posted by: Kindltot at January 12, 2025 12:49 PM (D7oie)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 12, 2025 12:49 PM (L/fGl)
Further, if the US drew back from Europe and exited NATO, it's likely that the Ukraine war wouldn't have happened. It is the deep state's unrelenting desire to provoke Russia that is destroying Ukraine.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 12, 2025 12:49 PM (ExV1e)
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 12, 2025 12:49 PM (YeGMU)
They invalidated a presidential election in Romania - the EU candidate (which they expected to win), came in third - a pro-Russian candidate came in first, and a conservative came in second.
Their response was to announce that the Russians had established 800 TikTok accounts to influence the election (which turned out not to be true), so the election was invalidated, just because of that.
Really.
Former French European Commissioner Thierry Breton has essentially openly confessed that the West stole the Romanian election and stands ready to do it again in Germany if deemed necessary.
"We did it in Romania, and we will do it in Germany if necessary," a translation from the French of Breton's recent appearance in European media said. Early last month a top Romanian court simply annulled the first round of the country's presidential election in order to create what amounted to a 'do over' election.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 12, 2025 12:49 PM (uxCna)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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from Jame Woods
Friends were negotiating temporary rent and were to sign the contract the day of the fire. The rent agreement was $18,000 a month. They were unable to sign that day and now the landlord is renegotiating for $30,000 a month. Yeah, middle class build back ain't gonna happen.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 12, 2025 12:49 PM (f/z+J)
Anyway, Europe aa sideshow may be the theme of both the next war and, also, the last one too.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 12, 2025 12:49 PM (MJUey)
And the Indians are gathering firewood like crazy!
Posted by: Just the punchline at January 12, 2025 12:50 PM (dg+HA)
And they have wings!
Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2025 12:47 PM (xCA6C)
The SKs are making some serious coin with their new AFVs.
Posted by: mrp at January 12, 2025 12:50 PM (rj6Yv)
European Americans should despise Europeans because white people must not have a group identity. Therefore we nust define Europe and America by "values" rather than the peoples.
Everyone else can have a group identity and allow it to affect their politics e.g CBD will never act against Israel.
"I don't see race;as long as they share our values."
Israel is as American as you are but also must remain Jewish. Also keep sending the money to our greatest ally!
Posted by: Oirish Goodbye at January 12, 2025 12:51 PM (LXd6+)
Posted by: Thatch
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Three Seas Alliance
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 12, 2025 12:52 PM (f/z+J)
I say this from sad experience. I lived in LA County during covid and the government and bureaucracy abused the citizenry… and the citizenry dutifully obeyed…. And all the nonsense has been forgotten. I see chats between folks in LA and the mere suggestion in any forum that the government could’ve done better is ruthlessly mocked and scorned
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 12, 2025 12:52 PM (ANuwa)
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 12, 2025 12:52 PM (gm9Sb)
Also, Leland Vitter is an annoying lightweight.
https://is.gd/KWRpJe
Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2025 12:52 PM (xCA6C)
Posted by: Kindltot at January 12, 2025 12:49 PM (D7oie)
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Especially over the last year, from missiles and drones fired from Hezballah in Lebanon.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at January 12, 2025 12:53 PM (q8Zj0)
They have somewhere to live.
I'm more concerned about the people living in tents in Asheville.
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 12, 2025 12:53 PM (hQPf/)
Posted by: BifBewalski at January 12, 2025 12:48 PM (MsrgL)
I was driving past Camp Roberts in California a few years ago. They had one of my 8in howitzers at the front gate as a display.
A friggin' display.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 12:53 PM (W/lyH)
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 12, 2025 12:49 PM (YeGMU)
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"Then all the host or Rohan burst into song, and they sang as they slew for the joy of battle was upon them, and the sound of their singing, which was fair and terrible, came even to the city."
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 12:54 PM (6K6Eu)
Posted by: eleven at January 12, 2025 12:54 PM (fV+MH)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 12, 2025 12:47 PM (cY18j)
Thank you!
I got on a roll and just started ranting! You should have seen the version that got eaten by Pixy's "improvements."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 12, 2025 12:54 PM (d9fT1)
The Avalon Hill simulation TacAir covered the Fulda Gap area.
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RTS game called Armored Brigade. I or II (I think II just got released.) Matrixgames dot com
Not exactly "easy" to master. But pretty good. There are other WWII and WWIII titles there too.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 12, 2025 12:54 PM (Q4IgG)
Posted by: Dr_No at January 12, 2025 12:54 PM (ayRl+)
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 12, 2025 12:55 PM (YeGMU)
Steve Guest@SteveGuest
Los Angeles's response to the rampant wildfires: BANNING powered air blowers county wide per Democrat LA County Supervisor Lindsey Horvath.
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I've often said that leaf blowers are the Devil's power tools.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 12, 2025 12:55 PM (L/fGl)
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Winston Marshall
@MrWinMarshall
You can’t make this shit up
A week ago Former Labour Minister Ivor Caplin was on TV lambasting
@elonmusk
about mean tweets
Today he has been arrested after he allegedly attempted to meet a 15 year old boy during a sting operation by a Facebook paedophile hunters group
https://tinyurl.com/4ru9pr2e
Posted by: redridinghood at January 12, 2025 12:56 PM (NpAcC)
Posted by: Ben Had at January 12, 2025 12:56 PM (0wWvl)
https://is.gd/KWRpJe
Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2025 12:52 PM (xCA6C)
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His sister got all the brains. And, also, she's better looking. Too bad she married into the uniparty (Moore Capito version).
Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 12, 2025 12:56 PM (MJUey)
Posted by: The Fascists At the California Coastal Commission! at January 12, 2025 12:57 PM (uxCna)
We cannot endure a llama gap!
Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2025 12:57 PM (xCA6C)
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 12, 2025 12:57 PM (YeGMU)
Posted by: Ben Had at January 12, 2025 12:56 PM (0wWvl)
And that I think is why Rubio's nomination for SOS and not some expert on France and Belgium.
Posted by: Kindltot at January 12, 2025 12:58 PM (D7oie)
It's science!
Posted by: The Fascists At the California Coastal Commission! at January 12, 2025 12:58 PM (uxCna)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 12, 2025 12:55 PM (L/fGl)
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One fellow observed to me back in the 80s that the decline of America began when the first leaf blower rolled off the assembly line.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 12:58 PM (6K6Eu)
Russia can't be too adventurist NOW, can they?
Poland could kick their asses.
Posted by: eleven
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Russia out populates them and can out produce them.
War between them would be a terrible thing.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 12, 2025 12:59 PM (f/z+J)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 12, 2025 12:55 PM
Mexican bagpipes.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at January 12, 2025 12:59 PM (dg+HA)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
Not in the Pallisades, but that's a real threat for Altadena. The small, beautiful craftsman homes will be replaced with something. I don't know if they have restrictions on high-density housing or if they'd still be enforced now.
Posted by: Grudge Harbor at January 12, 2025 01:00 PM (4DY5T)
Posted by: Ben Had at January 12, 2025 01:00 PM (0wWvl)
Our budget needs to be at least tripled!
Posted by: The Fascists At the California Coastal Commission! at January 12, 2025 12:57 PM (uxCna)
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I voted against that monstrosity when it was a proposition on the ballot. I foresaw that it would become a runaway tyranny - too bad not enough people thought likewise.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 01:00 PM (6K6Eu)
Steve Guest@SteveGuest
Los Angeles's response to the rampant wildfires: BANNING powered air blowers county wide per Democrat LA County Supervisor Lindsey Horvath.
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I've often said that leaf blowers are the Devil's power tools.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 12, 2025 12:55 PM (L/fGl)
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Nothing says macho bureaucrat trying to look tough like a declaration banning leaf blowers. By Gawd, this alone may turn the tide on these fires!!!
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 01:00 PM (W/lyH)
Posted by: From about That Time at January 12, 2025 01:01 PM (4780s)
Posted by: Evergreen political truism at January 12, 2025 01:01 PM (dg+HA)
Posted by: Grudge Harbor at January 12, 2025 01:00 PM (4DY5T)
I am told that LA has a lot of restrictions on height and density that were set up in the 40's and 50's. Things may change now, and probably to benefit big money. Then again, I am not sure if they really want to try to repeat the Projects fiasco, or if they are really that stupid, venal and grasping.
Posted by: Kindltot at January 12, 2025 01:02 PM (D7oie)
Posted by: Evergreen political truism at January 12, 2025 01:01 PM (dg+HA)
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With Schiff, it's dead boys.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 01:02 PM (6K6Eu)
Sweet, sweet power!
Governor Hairgel:
Goodbye, red tape. Through an executive order, we are making it easier for victims of the SoCal fires to quickly rebuild their homes and lives.
We’re also extending key price gouging protections to help make rebuilding more affordable.
LOL. He hasn't talked to us yet.
Posted by: The Fascists At the California Coastal Commission! at January 12, 2025 01:02 PM (uxCna)
Posted by: Reforger at January 12, 2025 01:02 PM (xcIvR)
Posted by: Dr_No at January 12, 2025 01:02 PM (ayRl+)
Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2025 12:57 PM (xCA6C)
A lomo in every Traeger!
Posted by: mrp at January 12, 2025 01:03 PM (rj6Yv)
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Look to those "protections" to make things even more expensive.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 01:03 PM (6K6Eu)
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at January 12, 2025 01:03 PM (dg+HA)
Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 12, 2025 01:04 PM (MJUey)
Posted by: BifBewalski at January 12, 2025 12:34 PM (MsrgL)
Why would we go back in? It's not our business.
Either we rule the world, in which case Europe needs to obey us; or we don't, in which case we should do nothing unless it benefits us. I can see sending in spec ops to rescue hotties from the affected area. Otherwise... FAFO.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 12, 2025 01:05 PM (ExV1e)
Posted by: Piper at January 12, 2025 01:06 PM (p4NUW)
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 01:02 PM (6K6Eu)
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Truth!
Posted by: Ed Buck, Boyz-r-Us at January 12, 2025 01:06 PM (MJUey)
Posted by: Ben Had at January 12, 2025 12:56 PM (0wWvl)
And that I think is why Rubio's nomination for SOS and not some expert on France and Belgium.
Posted by: Kindltot at January 12, 2025 12:58 PM (D7oie)
In 1988 I spent three weeks in Brazil working with their Army Intel guys who were putting together their intelligence school. Great guys. I wrote in my AAR when I got back, that South America was going to be the premier continent in the next century...if they can get past the influence of the church, and their own machismo BS.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 01:06 PM (W/lyH)
Posted by: Kindltot
It varies from city to city. My city has strict rules against replacing any if the pre-1940 housing with McMansions. Arcadia has no such restrictions, and now it's rotten with them. Not much high density, though. Not sure about Altadena, but guess we'll find out soon.
Posted by: Grudge Harbor at January 12, 2025 01:07 PM (4DY5T)
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 12, 2025 01:07 PM (YeGMU)
Brazil is the country of the future...and always will be.
-De Gaulle
Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2025 01:07 PM (xCA6C)
I've seen some blurbs online suggesting this is what will happen to areas that will not be permitted to rebuild with the same density as before.
I think it's going to be a legal mess for quite a while.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 12, 2025 01:08 PM (Q4IgG)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 12, 2025 12:40 PM (f/z+J)
I like the part in Batman:The Movie (1966) when the Joker and Penguin dehydrate the delegate savages in the UN into little rainbow colored crystals. Suitable for flushing. Down the toilet.
Posted by: The Riddler at January 12, 2025 01:09 PM (R/m4+)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 12, 2025 01:09 PM (f/z+J)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 12, 2025 12:37 PM (Q4IgG)
And the organized EU exists to further enslave the native European masses while waging a non-kinetic war against the US. This is what NATO now represents and is supposed to protect... with our money and blood.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 12, 2025 01:09 PM (ExV1e)
England Councils Brand 'Asian Grooming Gangs' a Racist and Islamophobic Term.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 12, 2025 01:10 PM (L/fGl)
Posted by: Reforger at January 12, 2025 01:02 PM (xcIvR)
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I've never seen am M110 here but that's just my limited experience.
Lotsa M109s, though. Heard lotsa rounds going THUMP-THUMP over our travelling car in November 2023 on a very northern road here. Afterward we passed a large field full of M109s firing rounds toward Hezballah.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at January 12, 2025 01:11 PM (q8Zj0)
Posted by: Reforger at January 12, 2025 01:02 PM (xcIvR)
Zone 3 charge for the nuke spotting round could pop deck plates if not secured. And for sure knock the Safety Officer off the gun!
Heh
Heh
Heh
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 01:11 PM (W/lyH)
England Councils Brand 'Asian Grooming Gangs' a Racist and Islamophobic Term.
AOSHQ brands England Councils as a bunch of limp-d*** asshoes.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2025 01:11 PM (xCA6C)
https://tinyurl.com/5n9947dc
Posted by: Huck Follywood at January 12, 2025 01:11 PM (xcnLA)
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 01:06 PM (W/lyH)
Nah. Only worth 2 additional armies per turn. Australia is easier to defend and worth the same.
Posted by: Risk at January 12, 2025 01:12 PM (xcIvR)
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 12, 2025 01:12 PM (f/z+J)
Posted by: Piper at January 12, 2025 01:06 PM (p4NUW)
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If I had any, I'd prepare some in a Jiffy.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at January 12, 2025 01:12 PM (q8Zj0)
Posted by: Kindltot at January 12, 2025 01:02 PM (D7oie)
They are Democrats, aren't they?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 12, 2025 01:12 PM (8zz6B)
-De Gaulle
Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2025 01:07 PM (xCA6C)
That's a good quote.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 01:13 PM (W/lyH)
Well, that's provocative.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 12, 2025 01:13 PM (lCaJd)
Heh
Heh
Heh
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 01:11 PM (W/lyH)
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Friend of mine, when he was stationed at a firebase 8 klicks south of the DMZ, was minding his own business taking a dump when they unexpectedly cut loose with the big mortar in the middle of the camp.
Said he didn't have to crap for a week afterwards.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 01:14 PM (6K6Eu)
@amuse@amuse
LOOTING: Newsom and California Democrats literally decriminalized looting baring police from arresting looters and prosecutors from prosecuting them. Now he’s opposed to looting.
Gavin Newsom@GavinNewsom
Stop encouraging looting by lying and telling people it’s decriminalized. It’s not.
It’s illegal -- as it always has been.
Bad actors will be arrested and prosecuted.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 12, 2025 01:14 PM (L/fGl)
Posted by: I knew it! at January 12, 2025 01:14 PM (dg+HA)
Posted by: Ben Had at January 12, 2025 01:15 PM (0wWvl)
I've seen some blurbs online suggesting this is what will happen to areas that will not be permitted to rebuild with the same density as before.
I think it's going to be a legal mess for quite a while.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 12, 2025 01:08 PM (Q4IgG)
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Ahem...
Posted by: LA Olympic Planning Committee at January 12, 2025 01:15 PM (W/lyH)
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at January 12, 2025 01:12 PM (q8Zj0)
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I've got some Orville Redenbacher's!
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 01:15 PM (6K6Eu)
Stop the presses! It’s National Popcorn Day!
Posted by: Piper at January 12, 2025 01:06 PM (p4NUW)
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If I had any, I'd prepare some in a Jiffy.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at January 12, 2025 01:12 PM (q8Zj0)
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There's the kernel of the problem
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 12, 2025 01:16 PM (dxSpM)
They are suspending a bunch of city, county, and coastal commission regulations for building in the area. You know, those hundreds of regulations that were absolutely necessary for building safely in California, and for justifying the bureaucracy...but most for justifying the bureaucracy.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 11:58 AM (W/lyH)
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I predicted this (because it's so predictable, not because I'm psychic).
Of COURSE Gavin Newsom's rich Democrat friends are not going to live with the same restraints as us normies. These are pals of George Clooney and Ron Howard. You can't expect them to suffer the fate they foisted on others.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 12, 2025 01:16 PM (lCaJd)
Interesting chart from GS that unlike the US, Eurozone, China, and Japan did not return back to their pre-pandemic real GDP economic growth trend.
https://is.gd/mycNpZ
Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2025 12:45 PM (xCA6C)
China's predicted growth line was stupid and based on lies from the Chinese government.
Japan is behind but they're still narrowing the gap.
The EU decided to make things fair.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 12, 2025 01:16 PM (ExV1e)
Heh
Heh
Heh
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 01:11 PM (W/lyH)
Charge 9 Red Bag and a double rammed RAP round. I was told the gun was wasted after a nuke for 2 reasons. You couldn't shoot it out of the blast radius and it destroyed the breach.
I played D&D with the Special Weapons guys when I ran out of beer money.
Posted by: Reforger at January 12, 2025 01:16 PM (xcIvR)
England Councils Brand 'Asian Grooming Gangs' a Racist and Islamophobic Term.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks,
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So, back to the traditional Pakistani/Syrian Rape Gang?
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 12, 2025 01:16 PM (f/z+J)
Posted by: Piper at January 12, 2025 01:06 PM
Butter believe it, popcorn’s here to stay.
Posted by: Oh, no...punz? at January 12, 2025 01:16 PM (dg+HA)
'The Michigan House is once again under GOP control'
Time to investigate her for fixing the 2020 MI vote count.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 12, 2025 01:16 PM (3wi/L)
Dang, that looks pretty good.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2025 01:17 PM (xCA6C)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 12, 2025 01:16 PM (dxSpM)
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No. Cornpop is the problem. The President told me so.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at January 12, 2025 01:18 PM (q8Zj0)
Posted by: Lizzy Heap Big Warren at January 12, 2025 01:18 PM (vFG9F)
One couple's home burned in a past fire. It took them a year to obtain a permit to bulldoze/clear the property.
Posted by: Braenyard
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That was either Gillian Michaels or a dozen other people.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 12, 2025 01:18 PM (lCaJd)
Posted by: Ugh at January 12, 2025 01:18 PM (dg+HA)
Governor Hairgel's announcement that he is going to prevent "price gouging" in reconstruction will also slow things down a lot.
So, there is going to be a government bureaucracy to ensure that contractors only charge "fair" prices, with the ability to punish contractors that charge "unfair" prices.
Yeah, that's going to encourage rebuilding.
Posted by: The Fascists At the California Coastal Commission! at January 12, 2025 01:18 PM (uxCna)
Posted by: Ben Had at January 12, 2025 01:19 PM (0wWvl)
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle for festive little hats at January 12, 2025 01:19 PM (3UMb5)
Posted by: Piper at January 12, 2025 01:06 PM
Big Butter has entered the conversation.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 01:20 PM (W/lyH)
'how many of our nukes would actually work if launched? Many are quite old now'
Let's launch a few and find.
Where should they land?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 12, 2025 01:20 PM (3wi/L)
Baby corn, mama corn, and popcorn.
Posted by: Groan at January 12, 2025 01:20 PM (dg+HA)
Stop encouraging looting by lying and telling people it’s decriminalized. It’s not.
It’s illegal -- as it always has been.
Bad actors will be arrested and prosecuted.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
So, stealing $900 worth of merchandise from an intact structure is not looting? Just want to be clear.
Posted by: Grudge Harbor at January 12, 2025 01:21 PM (4DY5T)
Posted by: Lizzy Heap Big Warren at January 12, 2025 01:21 PM (vFG9F)
Posted by: Ben Had at January 12, 2025 01:19 PM (0wWvl)
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Yes but not everyone.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at January 12, 2025 01:22 PM (q8Zj0)
Poland could kick their asses.
Posted by: eleven at January 12, 2025 12:54 PM (fV+MH)
I suspect that what the current unpleasantness demonstrates is that spending billions on a tank army is fighting the last war.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 12, 2025 01:22 PM (ExV1e)
A-Listers aren't rebuilding in LA. Locales like Malibu became a status good as A-listers outspent each other. This isn't coming back. Many were already leaving.
Posted by: Ignoramus
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Where are they going?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 12, 2025 01:23 PM (lCaJd)
Buttered corn on the cob, mmmm.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 12, 2025 01:24 PM (f/z+J)
Posted by: fd at January 12, 2025 01:24 PM (vFG9F)
I played D&D with the Special Weapons guys when I ran out of beer money.
Posted by: Reforger at January 12, 2025 01:16 PM (xcIvR)
Hmmm...
With the long tube M110s and M109s you can safely outshoot the blast but a double ram I can see really screwing up the loader rammer. Timing would be shot to hell (no pun intended)
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 01:24 PM (W/lyH)
Dang, that looks pretty good.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2025 01:17 PM (xCA6C)
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Billy Bob Thornton is such a good actor.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 01:24 PM (6K6Eu)
So, there is going to be a government bureaucracy to ensure that contractors only charge "fair" prices, with the ability to punish contractors that charge "unfair" prices.
Yeah, that's going to encourage rebuilding.
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I bet lesbian POCs get priority on all projects.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at January 12, 2025 01:25 PM (I5JQI)
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at January 12, 2025 01:25 PM (17s+e)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 12, 2025 01:25 PM (dxSpM)
Posted by: Skip at January 12, 2025 01:25 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 12, 2025 01:23 PM (lCaJd)
To hell if they don't repent and change their evil ways.
It's time to turn, before they burn!
Posted by: Rev. Billy Ray Collins, The Sword Of Joshua Independent Full Gospel Pentecostal Assembly at January 12, 2025 01:26 PM (R/m4+)
Flashback: Incompetent LA Mayor Karen Bass Was Considered Top VP Choice for Biden, Praised Obama as “Outstanding”
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 12, 2025 01:26 PM (L/fGl)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh"
Greenland is better. It's a green paradise. Says so right in the name.
Posted by: fd at January 12, 2025 01:26 PM (vFG9F)
Stop encouraging looting by lying and telling people it’s decriminalized. It’s not.
It’s illegal -- as it always has been.
Bad actors will be arrested and prosecuted.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
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Seriously!
I mean it you guys!
I'm serious here!!!
Auntie Nancy, they are laughing at me!
- Gov Hairjell
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 01:27 PM (W/lyH)
Posted by: fd at January 12, 2025 01:26 PM (vFG9F)
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Vikings were all about marketing.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 01:27 PM (6K6Eu)
Posted by: eleven at January 12, 2025 01:27 PM (fV+MH)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent"
I guess she blew it. Or didn't. One or the other.
Posted by: fd at January 12, 2025 01:27 PM (vFG9F)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 12, 2025 01:28 PM (dxSpM)
Those guns were old too. My gun started out as a M107 175mm in built in 1968 was turned into a M110a1 in the 70's and finally a M110a2 in the 80's.
Rumor mill in the Army is something that should always be taken with several grains of salt. I am pretty sure they never made it back to the states though and we spent a lot of time restoring them to -10 (combat ready) standards before we railheaded them to wherever they went.
Posted by: Reforger at January 12, 2025 01:28 PM (xcIvR)
Posted by: eleven at January 12, 2025 01:29 PM (fV+MH)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 12, 2025 01:30 PM (aD39U)
Posted by: Ben Had at January 12, 2025 01:30 PM (0wWvl)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 12, 2025 01:30 PM (aD39U)
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With the current leadership, it's more like Masters of our Domain.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 01:30 PM (6K6Eu)
So, there is going to be a government bureaucracy to ensure that contractors only charge "fair" prices, with the ability to punish contractors that charge "unfair" prices.
Yeah, that's going to encourage rebuilding.
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These socialist/marxist clowns just don't get it. They are genuinely stupid when it comes to economics.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 01:30 PM (W/lyH)
@ImMeme0
Adam Schiff went on national television and told the American public another lie, claiming that the reservoirs “were full at the initiation of these fires.”
A simple Google search reveals there is an ongoing investigation into why the Pacific Palisades reservoir was offline. Additionally, it shows that the Santa Ynez Reservoir had been closed since February for repairs to its cover, leaving the 117-million-gallon water storage complex empty in the heart of the Palisades for nearly a year.
https://tinyurl.com/2p9p8fjj
Posted by: redridinghood at January 12, 2025 01:31 PM (NpAcC)
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 12, 2025 01:31 PM (g00SI)
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 01:30 PM (W/lyH)
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See me at #185.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 01:32 PM (6K6Eu)
Posted by: eleven at January 12, 2025 01:32 PM (fV+MH)
Seen a few articles that think Gruesome is done in politics as far as any national office goes
Posted by: Skip
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Tsshhh. Do you live in California? Just curious. As a native and current resident, I think he'd get re-elected in a landslide if he was running now. Karen Bass may not get re-elected in 2026 (she's already announced plans to run!), but LA will undoubtedly elect another far-left mayor.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 12, 2025 01:32 PM (lCaJd)
Posted by: Skip at January 12, 2025 01:32 PM (fwDg9)
Russia is not our friend, but we have through our own policies, made them into an enemy.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 12, 2025 01:32 PM (QAkQ3)
Posted by: Grump928(C) muses at January 12, 2025 01:32 PM (aD39U)
You mean like Chile (chilly)?
Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2025 01:33 PM (xCA6C)
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 01:32 PM (6K6Eu)
Heh!
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 01:34 PM (W/lyH)
You mean like Chile (chilly)?
Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2025 01:33 PM (xCA6C
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Ironically, Chile spans a huge range of climate zones.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 01:34 PM (6K6Eu)
'George Will is one of those who predicts a huge shift rightward in CA'
That clinches it for me.
It definitely won't happen.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 12, 2025 01:34 PM (3wi/L)
Posted by: Archimedes at January 12, 2025 01:33 PM (xCA6C)
CHILE IS A TITAN! Well, compared to Guatemala.
Posted by: Grump928(C) muses at January 12, 2025 01:35 PM (aD39U)
Posted by: Ben Had at January 12, 2025 01:35 PM (0wWvl)
Governor Hairgel's announcement that he is going to prevent "price gouging" in reconstruction will also slow things down a lot.
So, there is going to be a government bureaucracy to ensure that contractors only charge "fair" prices, with the ability to punish contractors that charge "unfair" prices.
Yeah, that's going to encourage rebuilding.
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California, the only place in the civilized world that will have a black market in drywall.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 12, 2025 01:35 PM (lCaJd)
Posted by: Kindltot at January 12, 2025 01:35 PM (D7oie)
Leaf blowers are used for fighting wildfires, especially grass fires.
Posted by: illiniwek at January 12, 2025 01:35 PM (Cus5s)
Posted by: Grump928(C)"
Well....yeah.
Posted by: eleven at January 12, 2025 01:36 PM (fV+MH)
Denmark Planning to Deploy New Ships, Increase Dog Sled Patrols in Greenland
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 12, 2025 01:36 PM (L/fGl)
Chile is like the US west coast upside down. Huge deserts in the north and the Patagonia region in the south. The Lakes Region reminds me of the Pacific Northwest.
Also probably the most industrious South American country in my experience. Nothing laid back about mining.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 12, 2025 01:37 PM (LkLld)
Posted by: I knew it!
>We're selling AK-47s in the parking lot and plans for Illudium Pu-36!
Get them while supplies last!
Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 12, 2025 01:37 PM (hXQfZ)
Denmark Planning to Deploy New Ships, Increase Dog Sled Patrols in Greenland
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 12, 2025 01:36 PM (L/fGl)
Tauntons. They need more tauntons for scouting.
Posted by: Kindltot at January 12, 2025 01:37 PM (D7oie)
Posted by: Grump928(C) muses at January 12, 2025 01:38 PM (aD39U)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 12, 2025 01:37 PM (LkLld)
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Valparaiso is a place I wouldn't mind living.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 01:38 PM (6K6Eu)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 12, 2025 01:35 PM (lCaJd)
Pssssttttt!
He dude...wanna score some nails?
Got some primo windows too.
Cash only.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 01:38 PM (W/lyH)
Get them while supplies last!
Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 12, 2025 01:37 PM (hXQfZ)
Bars of plutonium, 2 for a dollar!
Posted by: Grump928(C) muses at January 12, 2025 01:38 PM (aD39U)
Posted by: Kindltot at January 12, 2025 01:37 PM (D7oie)
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Taun-tauns. Taunton is a town in the West Country of England.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 01:39 PM (6K6Eu)
Posted by: Ben Had at January 12, 2025 01:39 PM (0wWvl)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks"
OMG...we can totally kick their asses.
Posted by: eleven at January 12, 2025 01:40 PM (fV+MH)
You and me both. My old customer lived in Valparaiso. Beautiful place.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 12, 2025 01:40 PM (LkLld)
Posted by: Pamazon at January 12, 2025 01:40 PM (b5MGU)
Posted by: Grump928(C) re at January 12, 2025 01:41 PM (aD39U)
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 01:39 PM (6K6Eu)
don't be silly, Taun-tauns are imaginary
Posted by: Kindltot at January 12, 2025 01:41 PM (D7oie)
Posted by: Miflin at January 12, 2025 01:41 PM (aA6YN)
Posted by: Reforger at January 12, 2025 01:28 PM (xcIvR)
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I could guess that Israel replaced the guns with newer ones, possibly manufactured locally, and just refurbished the vehicle.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at January 12, 2025 01:41 PM (q8Zj0)
Crazy Nancy's Stock Portfolio Beats S&P 500 Index by 200% in 2024, Outperforms Warren Buffet
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 12, 2025 01:42 PM (L/fGl)
Posted by: Ben Had"
Mirrors are the future.
Posted by: eleven at January 12, 2025 01:32 PM (fV+MH)
♫ Children Are the Future ♪
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 12, 2025 01:42 PM (ExV1e)
FKN lol. It's like Buffalo genetics.
40 lbs overweight, beard, male pattern baldness.
Even the women!
Posted by: eleven at January 12, 2025 01:42 PM (fV+MH)
Posted by: Skip at January 12, 2025 01:43 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 12, 2025 01:43 PM (IG4Id)
Posted by: Kindltot at January 12, 2025 01:37 PM (D7oie)
Tautons with lasers.
Posted by: mrp at January 12, 2025 01:43 PM (rj6Yv)
The LA fires are the current “thing” but I dare say give it a month or two and most will have forgotten and moved on (except for those whose houses burned down). I really don’t believe it will have any significant impact on voting patterns or governance.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
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100%. Look at how New Yorkers reverted to leftism and Muslim-coddling after 9/11.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 12, 2025 01:44 PM (lCaJd)
You and me both. My old customer lived in Valparaiso. Beautiful place.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 12, 2025 01:40 PM (LkLld)
Valparaiso, Indiana?? sarc off
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 12, 2025 01:44 PM (ANuwa)
Stop encouraging looting by lying and telling people it’s decriminalized. It’s not.
It’s illegal -- as it always has been.
Bad actors will be arrested and prosecuted.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
So, stealing $900 worth of merchandise from an intact structure is not looting? Just want to be clear.
Posted by: Grudge Harbor at January 12, 2025 01:21 PM (4DY5T)
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Newsom has been getting roasted by Elon on X. His lies are getting community notes.
Posted by: redridinghood at January 12, 2025 01:44 PM (NpAcC)
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 12, 2025 01:44 PM (ANuwa)
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Too flat. Also too close to Chicago.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 01:45 PM (6K6Eu)
Do Buffalo building codes require second-stories on homes for emergency winter egress?
Asking because I've talked to a number of Buffalo natives that have or know people who have exited from their houses via a second-story window.
Posted by: mrp at January 12, 2025 01:47 PM (rj6Yv)
Posted by: mrp at January 12, 2025 01:47 PM (rj6Yv)
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That lake-effect snow will get you every time.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 01:47 PM (6K6Eu)
Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington has 8.1M inhabitants but less than a million in the city limits.
Posted by: Grump928(C) repeats himself at January 12, 2025 01:49 PM (aD39U)
Do they use Great Danes?
Posted by: Well, they should at January 12, 2025 01:49 PM (vFG9F)
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 01:24 PM (W/lyH)
Had to double ram. I forget the nomenclature of the part you stuck on the ramming pole. Rocket assist added like another foot and 100 pounds to the round and red bag was almost 5' of powder gave you 14 miles. Blast radius on the W79 was 15 miles. We trained in what was called "lone gun" because of this. It was a suicide mission. Fired with a 50' lanyard. For safety.
Looking at wiki I question their source for their numbers.
Could be my memory too.
Posted by: Reforger at January 12, 2025 01:49 PM (xcIvR)
By the time it burns out from running out of homes for fuel, this will be the most expensive "natural" disaster in history. I'd guess $500 billion. This will have ginormous knock-on effects including on LA's tax base. The city was already tottering. People will leave and not come back.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 12, 2025 01:49 PM (Gqoy+)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 12, 2025 01:51 PM (L/fGl)
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 12, 2025 01:49 PM (Gqoy+)
$30K rental leases will be a deal breaker for some peope.
Posted by: mrp at January 12, 2025 01:51 PM (rj6Yv)
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 12, 2025 01:49 PM (Gqoy+)
I have a vision of reverse-Okies.
Posted by: Grump928(C) repeats himself at January 12, 2025 01:52 PM (aD39U)
Laid-back is the attitude you tend to take when the government and cartels can take anything from you at any time without recourse.
Posted by: Kindltot
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It's such a chicken-egg situation. A few years ago my friend had to travel to a few European sites for an employer and she was stunned at how hard it was to get fairly high-ranking people to go beyond the bare minimum. It was ALL pensions and bennies and vacays, never getting ahead, making things more workable, the satisfaction of getting your chin over the bar. She didn't know whether they'd been spoiled by socialism or whether they'd created socialism to accommodate their laidbackness.
Who the hell built all those Gothic cathedrals and those navies that crossed the Atlantic? Isn't there anything left of those ethics?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 12, 2025 01:52 PM (lCaJd)
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No French.
No Irish.
No Dutch.
Then, we can talk.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at January 12, 2025 01:52 PM (RIvkX)
Sad to see them
Posted by: Skip at January 12, 2025 01:53 PM (fwDg9)
As for us, it's time for less Marshall Plan, and more Monroe Doctrine.
Posted by: Pennsyltucky at January 12, 2025 01:54 PM (QdGJh)
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 12, 2025 01:49 PM (Gqoy+)
$30K rental leases will be a deal breaker for some peope.
Posted by: mrp at January 12, 2025 01:51 PM (rj6Yv)
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Then, there are people like James Woods, whose homes have been spared but they'll be living in the middle of a completely devastated area. That's going to take a toll.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at January 12, 2025 01:55 PM (6K6Eu)
No Irish.
No Dutch.
Then, we can talk.
Posted by: San Franpsycho
I'd say no Italians but I've got a pasta Jones.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 12, 2025 01:55 PM (L/fGl)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 12, 2025 01:52 PM (lCaJd)
The cathedrals, the Nina, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria were all built and staffed by Catholics.
Posted by: mrp at January 12, 2025 01:56 PM (rj6Yv)
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 12, 2025 01:56 PM (i52kY)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 12, 2025 01:57 PM (Q4IgG)
People will leave and not come back.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 12, 2025 01:49 PM (Gqoy+)
I have a vision of reverse-Okies.
Posted by: Grump928(C) repeats himself
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No, I really wonder. People can't just pull up and move. Where are they going to get work? I'm guessing Trump will come up with some horribly expensive Relocation Grant Program for people who want to start all over in another state or another part of the state, but Californians going to States without a beach, warm winters, an hour's drive to a mountain resort, ethnic food? This will be interesting.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 12, 2025 01:57 PM (lCaJd)
Looking at wiki I question their source for their numbers.
Could be my memory too.
Posted by: Reforger at January 12, 2025 01:49 PM (xcIvR)
Next time Im on NukeMap, I'll play with it. I remember everyone being happy when we converted the short tubes to long tubes. But I can see that in terms of not looking towards the target. Flash and dazzle, etc.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 12, 2025 01:57 PM (W/lyH)
Posted by: Ben Had at January 12, 2025 01:58 PM (0wWvl)
'he allegedly attempted to meet a 15 year old boy during a sting operation by a Facebook'
Zuckerberg with the assist to Elon.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 12, 2025 01:59 PM (3wi/L)
No Irish.
No Dutch.
Then, we can talk.
Posted by: San Franpsycho
My family tree. Put 'em up, injun.
Posted by: Auspex at January 12, 2025 02:00 PM (j4U/Z)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 12, 2025 01:52 PM (lCaJd)
Check the cemeteries at The Somme.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 12, 2025 02:00 PM (d9fT1)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 12, 2025 01:51 PM (L/fGl)
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Imagine there are no lamebrains.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at January 12, 2025 02:01 PM (q8Zj0)
Posted by: Skip at January 12, 2025 02:01 PM (fwDg9)
The industry was already under pressure. People aren't buying what companies like Disney are making. AI threathens to change how production is run.
A-Listers were already decamping. And quality of life was declining for normal people.
This ain't coming back.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 12, 2025 02:01 PM (Gqoy+)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia
More and more office jobs can be done remotely. As long as you don't have to go into the office, you could live in Utah and your office be in Houston.
Afternoon all.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 12, 2025 02:02 PM (mxo3Z)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 12, 2025 02:03 PM (L/fGl)
Check the cemeteries at The Somme.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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That is a good point. I've wondered at all the young men that Europe wasted in that war. So much human capital snuffed out.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 12, 2025 02:04 PM (lCaJd)
https://is.gd/KWRpJe
Cthulhu wakes from his death sleep and farts.
Posted by: Auspex at January 12, 2025 02:07 PM (j4U/Z)
Posted by: Darth Vader at January 12, 2025 02:11 PM (aD39U)
It won't happen. Sure, Republicans might run the state more effectively, but they also might take the gay pron out of the school libraries.
Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at January 12, 2025 02:29 PM (9yUzE)
Check the cemeteries at The Somme.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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That is a good point. I've wondered at all the young men that Europe wasted in that war. So much human capital snuffed out.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at January 12, 2025 02:04 PM (lCaJd)
I hate - really, really hate - WWI. If that war didn't take place, we wouldn't have had so many of the pestilences that afflict the Modern world now. Nazism being only one of them.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 12, 2025 02:29 PM (i52kY)
It’s the only way to be sure!
Posted by: Justin Pinochet Castreau at January 12, 2025 02:32 PM (l5yVc)
Posted by: TJ Jackson at January 12, 2025 02:33 PM (bXvrr)
It has the bonus of proving that we are also willing to oppress non-non-white indigenous populations.
Posted by: Sam at January 12, 2025 03:38 PM (7jMef)
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Burn Back Better
Posted by: Common Tater at January 12, 2025 03:59 PM (Qvlta)
There is no "strategic relationship" their is a master slave relationship.
Posted by: Yarpos at January 12, 2025 04:16 PM (KZYOU)
As a result, European engineers (and I presume most of the European technical class) know very little outside of their discipline. I found it amusing that I often knew more of their history and geography than they did.
I thought that that was interesting and amusing, but I've since changed my mind on that. In truth without a knowledge of their own history they are proving Santayana's observation of how not knowing their history they are hell-bent upon repeating it.
That's why "America First" is truly the only sensible course to undertake.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at January 12, 2025 04:28 PM (bufu1)
Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at January 12, 2025 04:39 PM (QB+5g)
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I completed a four-year carpenter's apprenticeship program through the State of California and the Carpenters and Jointer's Union in the 1970s.
I was building a house in an upscale subdivision when an elderly gentleman crossed the street and we visited while eating lunch on the tailgate of my pickup.
He was from The Netherlands and had graduated from the University as an apprentice carpenter. He brought out a wooden-bodied jointer's plane he had made in his fourth year.
He graduated and became a Journeyman Carpenter wherein he was to travel and return to the University in ten years and present his Masterpiece to the University's Master' Program.
He traveled and built across Europe, then to Australia, and after WW2 found himself building tract homes in Long Beach, CA, and stayed in the USA.
When I see a twenty-five year-old blonde on TV program in cut-offs and a T-shirt with a tool belt credited...(cont)
Posted by: waepnedmann at January 12, 2025 06:21 PM (mXQ/T)
as the show's "Master Carpenter" I say bad words..
His fourth year at University he learned blacksmithing and made his own tools, because you may not be able to buy or replace a tool in his journeying.
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