THE MORNING RANT: Periodic Roundup of the EV Follies

THE MORNING RANT: Periodic Roundup of the EV Follies – 01/10/2025

EV Market Share Stalls at Just 8% of U.S. Vehicle Sales in 2024

EVs have maxed out at a market share of just 8% of the US light vehicle market, and that’s with huge federal incentives. The federal incentives are likely to be going away under the Trump administration.

About 15.9 million cars and light trucks were sold in the United States in 2024, of which 14.6 million were not electric vehicles. The 1.3 million EVs sold in 2024 amounted to an 8% market share. About half of those were Teslas. A significant number of the non-Tesla sales were to various fleets, especially governmental fleets, and not consumer purchases.

In the prior year, 2023, total vehicle sales were a little lower, at 15.5 million. The 1.2 million EVs sold in 2023 amounted to an identical 8% of the US light vehicle market.

There are innumerable examples of how the legacy media is nothing more than dishonest propaganda outfits. We all know this. But still, it is absolutely wearying to me that I cannot read any weather report without getting climate propaganda, nor can I read a report on auto sales without getting dishonest EV propaganda. The New York Times’ report about total 2024 auto sales had this incredibly dishonest headline, “E.V. Demand Leads Automakers to a Strong 2024 Finish.” (I will not provide a link for this level of dishonesty.)

100,000 more EVs were sold in 2024 than in 2023 (and 400,000 more gasoline-powered vehicles were sold) as manufacturers not named Tesla placed massive discounts on their glut of otherwise unsellable EVs to make them go away. Those non-Tesla EV manufacturers also took a financial bath on each unit they sold. But despite the fire sale of excess EVs, their total market share remained at a ceiling of 8% after nearly a decade of “the EV transition.”

After all the years of propaganda and government incentives, EVs have been emphatically rejected by American car buyers, as attested to by the 92% of vehicle purchases in 2024 that had internal combustion (“ICE” engines.

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Dear China: Your Terms Are Acceptable

“China to choke West’s supply of electric car battery parts; Beijing considers export restrictions as it prepares for the threat of a US trade war” [The Telegraph – 01/03/2025]

China is set to restrict exports of key electric car battery parts as Beijing gears up for a trade war with the US under Donald Trump. Technology used to process lithium and gallium – critical minerals used in electronics and batteries – is to be subject to tighter export rules under new proposals.

Oh no! Anyway…

China is threatening to choke off the West’s supply of raw materials necessary for EV batteries? OK, China, your terms are acceptable. https://t.co/BTtUWLTQdQ
— Buck Throckmorton (@BuckThrockmort) January 5, 2025

There is plenty of lithium in the United States. Let’s see if all the environmentally-smug EV drivers will advocate for bringing lithium mining and brining home to the states.

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The Persistent EV-Slavery Nexus

“Slavery” is word that appears with alarming frequency in discussions about electric vehicles. Whether it is China’s labor practices, or small children digging for minerals in strip mines, EV fans have come to accept that slave labor in foreign lands is something they’re willing to accept in order to drive a virtuous vehicle.

Well, you can take a Chinese company out of China, but apparently you can’t take the Chinese labor practices out of the company…

“Workers found in ‘slavery-like conditions’ at BYD construction site [in Brazil]” [AutoBlog – 12/28/2024]

Brazilian authorities have halted construction of a BYD electric vehicle factory in Brazil’s Bahia state after rescuing 163 Chinese workers from what they described as “slavery-like conditions.”
The Labor Prosecutor’s Office reported that workers were subjected to dire living conditions, had their passports confiscated and 60% of their wages withheld.
On Friday, Brazilian authorities suspended the issuance of temporary work visas for BYD. In their report, the Labor Prosecutor’s Office said that workers were being brought to Brazil irregularly and were victims of human trafficking.

BYD, which is a Chinese company, is the world’s largest manufacturer of EVs, even outselling Tesla. It has a huge cost advantage over western companies that don’t have such, ahem, “flexible” and cost-efficient labor strategies.

I follow several EV fanboy sites, and they routinely point to BYD as an EV success story, with its dominant market share in China, and it’s growing market presence in Europe and South America. I will counter by pointing to BYD as an affront to humanity and to civilized labor standards.

But cheering on BYD and praising its success is somehow seen as enlightened by the EV crowd.

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“The moral of the story is that … rural America might not be ready for EVs”

A gentleman contributed a post at Facebook’s Cybertruck Owners Only site about driving his Cybertruck 400 miles to his in-laws’ place in West Virginia, but once he got there, he realized that the 110-volt outlet that he would have to use for charging would take more than 6 days to get his Tesla charged up. With only 100 miles of range left on his Tesla, he couldn’t make it to the nearest supercharger in Charleston.

Then I arrived at my in-laws, and my father-in-law had a 14-50 plug that he used ready for me to charge the CT. I plugged it in, and the truck wouldn’t accept the charge. I was worried, as the battery had less than 100 miles left, and the closest Supercharger was in Charleston. Then I go to Google to figure out why. The CT must have #8 wire between the breaker and the outlet, but the outlet was wired with #10. So I switched to 110. Using 110v only got me 1-2 miles per hour, so to get to a full charge would take over 6 days. That means I’m trapped at the in-laws until I figure this out. Plus, I need to be at 100% to make it to the first Supercharger when we make the trek back home on Saturday. YIKES! SHIT!

Teslas are better than some other EVs for long distance driving, so long as you stick to interstates and your destination is a city with superchargers, but there is no EV that is a realistic option for long drives to remote areas. The Facebook poster ends with this comment, “The moral of the story is that many parts of the USA, especially rural America, might not be ready for EVs”

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New Postal EV is Running Waaay Behind Schedule; Trump May Kill It

In 2022, the US Postal Service accepted a proposed new delivery truck from Oshkosh Defense, and entered into a contract for 50,000 new “NGDVs” (Next Generation Delivery Vehicles), of which 10,000 were to be EVs so as to satisfy existing government regulations in support of the climate hoax. But that still wasn’t good enough for the Biden administration, who despite the postal service’s objections to the infeasibility of electric postal vehicles, coerced the Post Office into agreeing to electrifying half of the fleet.

Unsurprisingly, the postal EVs are a debacle, running over budget and way behind schedule. The first units were to have been delivered in 2023, but by the end of 2024 a whopping 93 had been built.

“New Postal Service EVs Way Behind Schedule, Cancellation Rumored” [The Truth About Cars – 12/13/2024]

The USPS later said it would increase its allotment of all-electric vehicles to 50 percent on its initial order (now delayed) to appease the Biden administration and was given another $3 billion (via the so-called Inflation Reduction Act totaling $430 billion) to further expand the total number of vehicles that could be ordered. The first deliveries were expected in 2023. But that too turned out to be a problem and the per unit price continued to increase.
Even with the above delays taken into account, Oshkosh was supposed to have manufactured 3,000 vehicles by now. According to The Washington Post, it has only managed to build 93 — mimicking the molasses-slow pace of the federal government’s similarly expensive initiative to field more EV charging stations across the country.

Mail delivery is so hopelessly broken right now that I can’t imagine how bad it will be if the carriers have to use an unreliable vehicle that has limited range, cannot be quickly refueled, and won’t operate in cold weather.

The good news is that Donald Trump might put this ugly duckling out of its misery. Reuters is reporting that “Donald Trump's transition team is considering canceling the U.S. Postal Service's contracts to electrify its delivery fleet, as part of a broader suite of executive orders targeting electric vehicles…”

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Porsche Puts EV Plans in Reverse

Porsche’s flagship EV, the Taycan, is suffering a massive sales collapse. Meanwhile, its aged ICE lineup, including products being terminated, is enjoying a sales boom.

So Porsche is now having to roll out internal combustion versions of its much-hyped, next generation of cars that were originally promised to be all-electric.

“Porsche Walks Back EVs – People Still Want Gas Cars” [Auto Blog – 01/05/2025]

The first step is admitting there’s a problem, and Porsche did exactly that in July. The automaker walked back its previous goals of an 80 percent EV fleet by 2030 and the situation has only worsened since. Taycan sales have dropped off 50 percent year-over-year in the first nine months of 2024, with only around 14,000 units sold as of September.
Faltering Taycan sales are only half the equation. The [718 models] are now in their final production years as gas-powered sports cars before transitioning to all-electric models after 2025. The mid-engine duo has sold 10 percent more units worldwide than last year.

Porsche’s R&D boss is quoted as saying, “The new Cayenne is fully electric, but we’ll have the ICE version [produced] in parallel. It’s the same for Panamera.” Wait, what? The new Cayenne and Panamera will be “fully electric” except for the majority of sales that will be ICE?

Oh well, the consumers have voted with their dollars, and auto manufacturers are beginning to realize that they must be mass-market manufacturers of ICE cars if they wish to remain in business.

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When Will Ford Resume Production of its Electric Pickup?

Back in late October, Ford announced that it was suspending production of its unpopular F150 ~~Conflagration~~ Lightning electric pickup from mid-November 2024 until January 6, 2025.

The Lightning was supposed to be Ford’s flagship EV, but it has been a catastrophic flop, since it struggles to do the basic functions expected of pickup trucks, such as towing heavy loads, driving in cold weather, and driving long distances in remote areas. A real pickup truck can do all of these simultaneously. Pickup truck buyers quickly figured out that the Lightning is a novelty vehicle, and unfortunately for Ford, there is not a very large market for expensive novelty trucks.

January 6, the date that F150 Lightning production was supposed to resume, has come and gone, and I cannot find any news stories or press releases about a resumption of Lightning production at the Rouge plant in Dearborn.

If any of you in the industry have any updates on what Ford is doing regarding a resumption of Lightning production, please let me know at the email address listed below.

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

Comments

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1 Alrighty!

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2025 11:00 AM (u1uWe)

2 1st?

Posted by: Bulg at January 10, 2025 11:01 AM (77rzZ)

3 >>Porsche’s R&D boss is quoted as saying, “The new Cayenne is fully electric, but we’ll have the ICE version [produced] in parallel. It’s the same for Panamera.” Wait, what? The new Cayenne and Panamera will be “fully electric” except for the majority of sales that will be ICE?

Wealthy, suburban divorcees need reliable transportation to Pilates, yo!

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2025 11:01 AM (u1uWe)

4 Third?

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 10, 2025 11:02 AM (YeGMU)

5 Not first. Congratulations, Lizzy.

Posted by: Bulg at January 10, 2025 11:02 AM (77rzZ)

6 Not seeing many EV's out in this weather. I do not wonder why.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 10, 2025 11:02 AM (Q4IgG)

7 An 8% share in this market is basically zero.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at January 10, 2025 11:02 AM (ky8PV)

8 Over 500 comments on the Art Thread. Let's ee if we can top that on this one! Whaddaya say???

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 10, 2025 11:04 AM (J2vNu)

9 I love stories with happy endings

Posted by: Skip at January 10, 2025 11:04 AM (gNiwe)

10 Where do you charge them in flyover country?

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 10, 2025 11:04 AM (YeGMU)

11 How about replacing "ICE" with, like "normal" or "standard" as a descriptor.

For some odd reason, the "ICE" label reminds me of how the Left renamed normal expression of sexuality as "Cis."

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2025 11:04 AM (u1uWe)

12 Good morning good people.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 10, 2025 11:04 AM (WXNFJ)

13 There was a bin outside the 7-11 that said ICE. I thought I could buy a car there.

Posted by: WitchDoktor at January 10, 2025 11:05 AM (ky8PV)

14 As usual, I've got nothin' about EVs.

Posted by: XTC at January 10, 2025 11:05 AM (UnA8+)

15 *not recommended for Los Angeles County

Posted by: t-bird at January 10, 2025 11:05 AM (KBQMF)

16 TLDR: EVs bad. Just go post stuff in the comments instead.

Posted by: Grapefruit LaCroix at January 10, 2025 11:05 AM (9V+R+)

17 I predict an Ace undernood today.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 10, 2025 11:05 AM (aD39U)

18 Over 500 comments on the Art Thread. Let's ee if we can top that on this one! Whaddaya say???
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 10, 2025 11:04 AM (J2vNu)
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Are there that many ways to say that EVs are dumb?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 10, 2025 11:06 AM (BpYfr)

19 >>The first units were to have been delivered in 2023. . .

Shoulda used FedX !

*Ba-da-dum-tshhhhhh!*

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2025 11:06 AM (u1uWe)

20 I think we need to take a close relook at steam cars.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 10, 2025 11:06 AM (jFCkp)

21 “The moral of the story is that many parts of the USA, especially rural America, might not be ready for EVs”

Well, perhaps you fukwit. Or, more accurately, you aren't intelligent enough to do your fu*king homework and trip planning.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 10, 2025 11:07 AM (WXNFJ)

22 Over 500 comments on the Art Thread. Let's ee if we can top that on this one! Whaddaya say???
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 10, 2025 11:04 AM (J2vNu)
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Are there that many ways to say that EVs are dumb?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel

Fish puns will make up the shortfall.

Posted by: Bulg at January 10, 2025 11:07 AM (77rzZ)

23 Everybody walks in LA.

Posted by: Post Apocalisp Denizen at January 10, 2025 11:07 AM (vFG9F)

24
"But still, it is absolutely wearying to me that I cannot read any weather report without getting climate propaganda, nor can I read a report on auto sales without getting dishonest EV propaganda."

Don't forget evolution.

Posted by: No ape in my family tree at January 10, 2025 11:07 AM (DobEs)

25 A centered thread?

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 10, 2025 11:07 AM (YeGMU)

26 Finally found one. A sensible Democrat.

Asked what he'll talk about at Mar-a-Lago, John Fetterman says, "I demand that I need to be made Pope of Greenland"

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 10, 2025 11:07 AM (L/fGl)

27 New code for LA housing after the fire....houses must have sprinkler system and EV charger.

Posted by: BignJames at January 10, 2025 11:07 AM (Yj6Os)

28 There is a whopping big lithium mine in Europe. In Ukraine. Too bad the Russians overran it last week.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at January 10, 2025 11:07 AM (aSDr4)

29 I guar-an-damn-tee you that as EV sales continue to crater, the left will blame Trump and say he cut off the supply of rare earth metals, and that's why we can't have nice things.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 10, 2025 11:08 AM (xCA6C)

30 I think we need to take a close relook at steam cars.
Posted by: Pudinhead

Actually, what is generally regarded as the first automobile in history ran on steam. Invented by a Frenchman in 1770.

Posted by: Bulg at January 10, 2025 11:08 AM (77rzZ)

31 jeep has both of their Toledo OH plants shut down to convert them into EV plants. dodge has also halted production of their most popular pickup the ram 1500 to replace it with a newer model sometime this year.

The local jeep/ram dealer here in my town has about 15 new vehicles for sale. They are not getting any new jeeps, gladiator trucks or RAM 1500 trucks in at all and haven't been for a few months now. I expect them to go out of business soon.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 10, 2025 11:08 AM (Rcnd3)

32 Ice ice baby.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 10, 2025 11:08 AM (YeGMU)

33 >>“The moral of the story is that many parts of the USA, especially rural America, might not be ready for EVs”

Feature, not a bug.
Stay in your big city, little buddy!

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2025 11:08 AM (u1uWe)

34 It is still ridiculous to even discuss expanding EV production until we increase production and electrical transmission capability. Actual, real world increases, not just workable plans to implement the increase.

Posted by: tankdemon at January 10, 2025 11:08 AM (R256O)

35 There is plenty of lithium in the United States.

But it is all on sacred tribal land.

One of the things you learn living in the Western United States is that every square inch of land in the West is sacred tribal land, and cannot be disturbed.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 10, 2025 11:09 AM (uxCna)

36 "I follow several EV fanboy sites, and they routinely point to BYD as an EV success story, with its dominant market share in China, and it’s growing market presence in Europe and South America. I will counter by pointing to BYD as an affront to humanity and to civilized labor standards."

My coworkers that screech about the need to ban cars or about how pickups are pointless don't give a fuck about slavery. They especially don't give a fuck about child labor.

They're the exact same ones that are all choosing to go childless so they can increase their booze/takeout/vacation budget. Then they expect the illegals they've voted for to generate the tax base to support the country and to clean their pools during their retirement. The world can burn for all they care - they're getting theirs.

Posted by: heya at January 10, 2025 11:09 AM (szXCY)

37 "Mail delivery is so hopelessly broken right now that I can’t imagine how bad it will be if the carriers have to use an unreliable vehicle that has limited range, cannot be quickly refueled, and won’t operate in cold weather."

***
Yes. I ordered two separate shipments from a good company in South Carolina. One was supposed to arrive on 12/18. The tracking said "Placed in mailbox," but it never was. Turned out it got sent back to the shipper, who has re-sent it. It may not be here until Monday 1/13, almost a month late.

The second was supposed to arrive on 12/23. Instead it got re-routed . . . to MA, which has no zip code even remotely like mine. Eventually it got here -- on 12/29.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 10, 2025 11:09 AM (J2vNu)

38 I guar-an-damn-tee you that as EV sales continue to crater, the left will blame Trump and say he cut off the supply of rare earth metals, and that's why we can't have nice things.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 10, 2025 11:08 AM (xCA6C)
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Hmmm...Maybe there's another supply of rare earth metals located somewhere near the U.S.

Perhaps off the northeast coast of Canada?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 10, 2025 11:09 AM (BpYfr)

39 But despite the fire sale of excess EVs

I see what you did there. Bravo!

Posted by: NR Pax at January 10, 2025 11:10 AM (lXoJ5)

40 EVs have only a slight market lead over Flying Carpets as the preferred mode of transport And Big Carpet hasn't received any government subsidies

Posted by: LASue at January 10, 2025 11:10 AM (UvUqV)

41 >>Well, perhaps you fukwit. Or, more accurately, you aren't intelligent enough to do your fu*king homework and trip planning.

Shhhhhh! Let him think he needs to stay in the city!

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2025 11:10 AM (u1uWe)

42 Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Former pastor, church planter arrested for armed robbery with female accomplice

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 10, 2025 11:10 AM (L/fGl)

43 One of the things you learn living in the Western United States is that every square inch of land in the West is sacred tribal land, and cannot be disturbed.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 10, 2025 11:09 AM (uxCna)
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And if it's not sacred tribal land, it's owned by the federal government, making it even more sacrosanct and untouchable by human hands.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 10, 2025 11:11 AM (BpYfr)

44 Hmmm...Maybe there's another supply of rare earth metals located somewhere near the U.S.

Perhaps off the northeast coast of Canada?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel

St. Pierre and Miquelon?

Posted by: Bulg at January 10, 2025 11:11 AM (77rzZ)

45 In the end, there can be only one ...

To blame. Trump.

Posted by: The Democratic Highlander at January 10, 2025 11:11 AM (a3Q+t)

46 EV Market Share Stalls at Just 8% of U.S. Vehicle Sales in 2024

What if we were to shriek louder about climate change and ban everything? -- leftists

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 10, 2025 11:12 AM (ExV1e)

47 Western NC has rare earths.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 10, 2025 11:12 AM (YeGMU)

48 When I read Oshkosh I think kid's overalls. Not manufacturing. Hopefully DJT does pull the plug on the idiot EV mail vehicles, the primary purpose of generating grift to DC has probably already been serverd.

Posted by: PaleRider at January 10, 2025 11:12 AM (CKOCg)

49 Is Marchand's Kangaroo Court still on today?

Posted by: Skip at January 10, 2025 11:12 AM (gNiwe)

50 EV fans have come to accept that slave labor in foreign lands is something they’re willing to accept in order to drive a virtuous vehicle.

Is that a problem?

Posted by: (not) Joe Xiden at January 10, 2025 11:12 AM (D0HYP)

51 Aren't there significant lithium reserves in Greenland that aren't being used?

http://tiny.cc/e815001

Posted by: tankdemon at January 10, 2025 11:12 AM (R256O)

52 Hmmm...Maybe there's another supply of rare earth metals located somewhere near the U.S.

Perhaps off the northeast coast of Canada?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
*
St. Pierre and Miquelon?
Posted by: Bulg at January 10, 2025

***
* Trump makes deal to acquire Greenland *

* Trump acquires Greenland *

* Huuuuge lithium deposits found in Greenland *

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 10, 2025 11:13 AM (J2vNu)

53 There is some Russian guy on utoob that converted a Lexus to run on wood gas. They also made a V-16 out of chainsaw motors and put it in a Lada.

Garage54.

Posted by: fd at January 10, 2025 11:13 AM (vFG9F)

54 Not the Bee asks a good question about the homeless arsonist who was arrested.

Makes you wonder, is the man really homeless, or does his home just happen to be 2,000 miles to the south?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 10, 2025 11:14 AM (L/fGl)

55 >> “The moral of the story is that many parts of the USA, especially rural America, might not be ready for EVs”

No, the moral of the story is that instead of impressing your in-laws with your high-tech "climate-consciousness" you gave them something to tease you about forever.

"Hey, remember when our super-smaht son-in-law got stranded here for a week because he bought a silly car and then forgot to pack the right charger? Lol!!. . ."

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2025 11:14 AM (u1uWe)

56 49 Is Marchand's Kangaroo Court still on today?
Posted by: Skip at January 10, 2025 11:12 AM (gNiwe)

It's over, you missed it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 10, 2025 11:14 AM (wyMQY)

57 The shame to me is that eventually all these executives that have driven their auto companies into ruin will be ousted with payouts 100 times what I have made in my lifetime.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 10, 2025 11:14 AM (aD39U)

58 "31 jeep has both of their Toledo OH plants shut down to convert them into EV plants. dodge has also halted production of their most popular pickup the ram 1500 to replace it with a newer model sometime this year.

The local jeep/ram dealer here in my town has about 15 new vehicles for sale. They are not getting any new jeeps, gladiator trucks or RAM 1500 trucks in at all and haven't been for a few months now. I expect them to go out of business soon.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 10, 2025 11:08 AM (Rcnd3)"

If they are not taking new Jeeps or Rams, that's good, as the pre-25 models aren't going to sell for shit. The 1500 isn't out of production - the old 4th gen they kept making alongside the 5th gen is out of production, most likely because they're phasing the 5.7 V8 out of the light trucks and replacing it with the new twin turbo that the 5th gen was also designed around.

They have an excess inventory problem with light trucks, HD's, and wranglers because they optioned them stupidly due to the outgoing CEO's retardation. They have an inventory problem with everything else because they're either shit, or challengers/chargers that are toys

Posted by: heya at January 10, 2025 11:14 AM (szXCY)

59 Whoa Buck, that's A lot of content. Anybody got a synopsis?

Posted by: From about That Time at January 10, 2025 11:15 AM (4780s)

60 Someone on the last thread asked if we'd seen the exchange between Obama and Trump at the peanut farmer's funeral.

Yes. It was hilarious. Supposedly a lip reader says Trump said to Obama that he needed to meet with him in private to discuss something important. Obama coming to bow to the Trumpfather would be hilarious.

Also, Obama's body language while talking to him...tell me you don't think Trump is Hitler without telling me you don't think Trump is Hitler.

Michelle supposedly jetted off to a Hawaii vacay instead of the funeral because she didn't want to sit by Trump. I think she's totally willing to shirk any sense of duty as a former FLOTUS for her own selfish reasons that have nothing to do with vacays.

Posted by: LizLem at January 10, 2025 11:15 AM (gWBY1)

61 I wonder if any EV's contributed to the LA fires?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2025 11:15 AM (ys+zb)

62 Is Marchand's Kangaroo Court still on today?

Yep, thanks to the useless sh*ts John Roberts and Amy Coney Barrett who voted not to end this kangaroo court.

I'm only surprised that Kavanugh didn't join them.

No more nominees from the Federalist Society, please.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 10, 2025 11:15 AM (uxCna)

63 * Trump acquires Greenland *

* Huuuuge lithium deposits found in Greenland *

We still the world's largest deposits of Lego!

Posted by: Denmark at January 10, 2025 11:15 AM (9SBJU)

64 OT, one of two super scooper firefighter aircraft grounded after some nitwit flew a drone into the wing, creating a "fist sized" hole. Sheesh.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with festive little caps and interpretive dance. at January 10, 2025 11:15 AM (/HDjX)

65 49 Is Marchand's Kangaroo Court still on today?
Posted by: Skip at January 10, 2025 11:12 AM (gNiwe)

Trumpmwas sentenced to unconditional discharge. No jail, no fine, no probation. Basically, "you're a felon but we aren't punishing you for these evil things we claim you did."

Posted by: tankdemon at January 10, 2025 11:16 AM (R256O)

66 I wonder how much the EV burning contributed to the fires in and around LA.

Posted by: Zombie Ving Rhames at January 10, 2025 11:16 AM (MsrgL)

67 "Juan Merchan Sentences Trump to Unconditional Discharge: No Penalty, Conviction Upheld".

The circus goes on.

Posted by: runner at January 10, 2025 11:16 AM (g47mK)

68 27 New code for LA housing after the fire....houses must have sprinkler system and EV charger.
Posted by: BignJames at January 10, 2025 11:07 AM (Yj6Os)
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EV charger, yep
Sprinklers, Hmmm

But who knows what Ca Coastal Commission will come up with. Your predication might just be the baseline.

Others,
No gas appliances/furnace
Must have solar panels,
% of house must be made of recycled material
Pools must be double hulled (heard that on TV)

Oh,and % of new builds must be for low income housing.

Posted by: WisRich at January 10, 2025 11:17 AM (EL2wb)

69 Damn. A helicopter just flew over and the whole building was shaking.

Chinook maybe?

Posted by: eleven at January 10, 2025 11:17 AM (fV+MH)

70 Any clue how long ev battery lasts?

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 10, 2025 11:17 AM (YeGMU)

71 Ice ice baby.
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 10, 2025 11:08 AM (YeGMU)

So cold, so cold.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 10, 2025 11:17 AM (aD39U)

72 Speaking of cars
It is a crap shoot as to whether Trump will properly quash the mandates for driver-monitoring that has kill switches to shut off the vehicle if it decides you're "inattentive". You know, because that's what you need at highway speeds, no power steering or brake booster.

Either get a new ride in the 24/25 models, or you'll need to wait and see if Trump changes course *and then* automakers actually omit the systems, which is a bit of a risk on their part for what comes after Trump.

Not even factoring in used vehicles here because too many owners are fucking retards now and ruin them in 10k miles. If you buy used it needs to be something with readily available crate motors and rebuilt transmissions.

Posted by: heya at January 10, 2025 11:17 AM (szXCY)

73 The biggest issue for me is the mandate. It made no sense to anyone who contained more than 2 brain cells. I am not anti EV, or hybrid. I am pro let consumers decide what they want and if it’s EV, that market will flourish. I would get a Tesla. I like them. I am sure my neighbors would appreciate it, too, because my car starting up at 5am is pretty loud. Lol.

Posted by: Piper at January 10, 2025 11:18 AM (QzINz)

74 Trumpmwas sentenced to unconditional discharge. No jail, no fine, no probation. Basically, "you're a felon but we aren't punishing you for these evil things we claim you did."

It means that Trump is now officially a convicted felon, so Merchan gave the D's their talking point.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 10, 2025 11:18 AM (uxCna)

75 Whoa Buck, that's A lot of content. Anybody got a synopsis?

Be sure to drink your Ovaltine.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 10, 2025 11:18 AM (xCA6C)

76 Can we call them "conflict batteries" and get Hollywood to march against them?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at January 10, 2025 11:18 AM (OA79/)

77 Trump is gangsta.

Posted by: eleven at January 10, 2025 11:18 AM (fV+MH)

78 >>Michelle supposedly jetted off to a Hawaii vacay instead of the funeral because she didn't want to sit by Trump. I think she's totally willing to shirk any sense of duty as a former FLOTUS for her own selfish reasons that have nothing to do with vacays.

Yup. Michelle haaaates DC. Complained constantly about it while living in the WH. I'm sure she hates it even more now that Trump was re-elected.

Who cares if she didn't show?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2025 11:18 AM (u1uWe)

79 Speaking of Lightnings... my neighbor has one.

On the way home from the gym last night - he managed to pull in behind me on the road to our neighborhood. Now his Lightning is 2 years old I think - but the ugly AF lightbar between the headlights that seemingly all EV's must have in order to virtue signal to the rest of us that "this abomination is an EV!!!" ... looked like a dim CFL bulb thats on the verge of burning out... I could have sworn that it was flickering as such as well.

It looked - terrible. Aged. Dated. Old. Obsolete.

Posted by: Defenestratus at January 10, 2025 11:18 AM (WYStd)

80 13
‘ There was a bin outside the 7-11 that said ICE. I thought I could buy a car there.’

Nope. Just the engine.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 10, 2025 11:19 AM (jbnUc)

81 unconditional discharge means zero penalty or punishment, basically its the same as having the case dismissed or being found not guilty except for legally being a convicted felon

It also means Trump can no longer vote until the conviction is overturned on appeal since he is, well, legally a convicted felon

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Hey 2025 You Ain't All That Just Cuz You Divisible by 5 at January 10, 2025 11:19 AM (1mXo4)

82 OMG nooooo!

MSNBC Suggests Facebook Ditching Fact-checking Could Lead to Genocide, Race Massacres

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 10, 2025 11:19 AM (L/fGl)

83 "Can we call them "conflict batteries" and get Hollywood to march against them?
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless"

Brilliant.

Pretty good for one so witless.

Posted by: eleven at January 10, 2025 11:19 AM (fV+MH)

84 Whoa Buck, that's A lot of content. Anybody got a synopsis?

Be sure to drink your Ovaltine.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 10, 2025

***
Little Orphan Annie grew up to have an affair with both the Lone Ranger and The Shadow.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 10, 2025 11:19 AM (J2vNu)

85 The fact that it’s even 8% is our national shame.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at January 10, 2025 11:19 AM (FC8SQ)

86 "Juan Merchan Sentences Trump to Unconditional Discharge: No Penalty, Conviction Upheld".

However, Merchan did vigorously shake his finger at Trump.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 10, 2025 11:19 AM (xCA6C)

87 Shoulda used FedX !

*Ba-da-dum-tshhhhhh!*
Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2025 11:06 AM (u1uWe)

I hates the Fedex! But I just ordered some meats, because local grocery stores sux, and now I have to hope Fedex doesn't bungle my shipment, sending it across the Caucasus Mountains, or wherever.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 10, 2025 11:20 AM (lH8E4)

88 Michelle supposedly jetted off to a Hawaii vacay instead of the funeral because she didn't want to sit by Trump. I think she's totally willing to shirk any sense of duty as a former FLOTUS for her own selfish reasons that have nothing to do with vacays.

Posted by: LizLem at January 10, 2025 11:15 AM (gWBY1)

On the report by Politico that Michelle refused to attend the funeral because she would have to sit next to Trump, Scott Adams posted "That took some balls!"

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 10, 2025 11:20 AM (wyMQY)

89 Posted by: tankdemon at January 10, 2025 11:16 AM

Thanks, at work so no news is on, just oldies music

Posted by: Skip at January 10, 2025 11:20 AM (gNiwe)

90 Yup. Michelle haaaates DC. Complained constantly about it while living in the WH. I'm sure she hates it even more now that Trump was re-elected.

Thank God Mike is one of the laziest people who ever lived.

He would have been a formidable Presidential candidate.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 10, 2025 11:20 AM (uxCna)

91 Also means Trump can now appeal the case, instead of being put in a 4 year purgatory where the judge would simply wait it out and then try to sentence him to 80 billion years in jail in 2029

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Hey 2025 You Ain't All That Just Cuz You Divisible by 5 at January 10, 2025 11:20 AM (1mXo4)

92 Whenever I see a Tesla on the road I imagine the drive is telling the world "I have more money than sense".

Posted by: Decaf at January 10, 2025 11:20 AM (unUNN)

93 It means that Trump is now officially a convicted felon, so Merchan gave the D's their talking point.

I mean, so what? The election is over. Trump is president.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 10, 2025 11:21 AM (xCA6C)

94 Blood Lithium.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 10, 2025 11:21 AM (YeGMU)

95 I love stories with happy endings
Posted by: Skip at January 10, 2025 11:04 AM (gNiwe)

Once upon a time there was a massage parlor...

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 10, 2025 11:21 AM (ExV1e)

96 "MSNBC Suggests Facebook Ditching Fact-checking Could Lead to Genocide, Race Massacres
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks"

See this is the kind of stupid shit that makes even some on the left shake their heads.

They're only hurting themselves, and they'll NEVER get that.

Posted by: eleven at January 10, 2025 11:21 AM (fV+MH)

97 ""Hey, remember when our super-smaht son-in-law got stranded here for a week because he bought a silly car and then forgot to pack the right charger? Lol!!. . ."
Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2025 11:14 AM (u1uWe)"

Wasn't that he didn't bring the right equipment; the house was fundamentally unable to charge the vehicle, as it lacked a suitable circuit in a place that was accessible (or present at all). This would be like me trying to run my welders or plasma cutter if I hadn't wired in the right breakers and sockets to take the load.

The guy was stupid because he never verified that where he was going + his vehicles range and charging requirements worked out. "hurr, durr, it's a lectric car, I can plug it in anywhere! that's even easier than finding a gas station"

Posted by: heya at January 10, 2025 11:21 AM (szXCY)

98 82 OMG nooooo!

MSNBC Suggests Facebook Ditching Fact-checking Could Lead to Genocide, Race Massacres
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 10, 2025 11:19 AM (L/fGl)

“Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!”

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 10, 2025 11:21 AM (wyMQY)

99 Ford F150 ~~Conflagration~~ Lightning.

LAFD

Posted by: no one of any consequence at January 10, 2025 11:21 AM (ZmEVT)

100 Well, perhaps you fukwit. Or, more accurately, you aren't intelligent enough to do your fu*king homework and trip planning.
Posted by: Tonypete at January 10, 2025 11:07 AM (WXNFJ)

Since the advent of smartphone navigation, I've never had to *plan* a road trip.

Just this past Sunday I got in the H1, which was half full - and drove 3 hours south to Connecticut. Loaded up 5x 40" tires on the roof rack and then drove 3 hours home. No planning required. Not sure why you'd ever accept a vehicle where you had to *plan* where and how you'd refuel it. Seems silly to me.

Posted by: Defenestratus at January 10, 2025 11:21 AM (WYStd)

101 Little Orphan Annie grew up to have an affair with both the Lone Ranger and The Shadow.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 10, 2025 11:19 AM (J2vNu)

At least she grew up.

Posted by: Zombie Buffy From Family Affair at January 10, 2025 11:22 AM (lH8E4)

102 I mean, so what? The election is over. Trump is president.

The Resistance is only beginning, and Trump being a convicted felon gives them an important talking point.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 10, 2025 11:22 AM (uxCna)

103 "MSNBC Suggests Facebook Ditching Fact-checking Could Lead to Genocide, Race Massacres
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 10, 2025 11:19 AM (L/fGl)"

Your terms are acceptable.

Posted by: heya at January 10, 2025 11:22 AM (szXCY)

104 Have LA firefighters been pumping water from pools? From aerial photos seems like nearly every house has a pool.

Posted by: BignJames at January 10, 2025 11:22 AM (Yj6Os)

105 93 It means that Trump is now officially a convicted felon, so Merchan gave the D's their talking point.

I mean, so what? The election is over. Trump is president.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 10, 2025 11:21 AM (xCA6C)

=======

We don't often agree, but I agree here.

This is inside baseball talking point shit that no one outside of dedicated partisans give one shit about.

Plus, considering how Trump actually fundraised on his mugshot photo and Democrats tried to bury it, I'd assume it's actually something of a net positive, politically, for Trump to be officially convicted in an obviously unjust system that people know is out to get him at any cost.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 10, 2025 11:22 AM (GBKbO)

106 Yup. Michelle haaaates DC. Complained constantly about it while living in the WH. I'm sure she hates it even more now that Trump was re-elected.

Who cares if she didn't show?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2025 11:18 AM (u1uWe)

Presumably the LIV D voters who want her to run for president. As for me? I'm choosing not to follow any of the Jimmy funeral coverage.

Posted by: PaleRider at January 10, 2025 11:22 AM (CKOCg)

107 >>New code for LA housing after the fire....houses must have sprinkler system and EV charger.

IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE IF THE EV PARKED IN YOUR GARAGE CATCHES FIRE, SPRINKLER WATER WON'T EXTINGUISH IT.

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at January 10, 2025 11:22 AM (u1uWe)

108 I hates the Fedex! But I just ordered some meats, because local grocery stores sux, and now I have to hope Fedex doesn't bungle my shipment, sending it across the Caucasus Mountains, or wherever.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 10, 2025

***
I ordered a small appliance from Walmart. It was supposed to be delivered the next day by Federal Express. It was -- to some other doorstep in my big apartment complex. A complaint to FE elicited something along the line of "Hey, we delivered it. Take your problem up with the seller."

So I did, and got my money back. But it was damned annoying.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 10, 2025 11:22 AM (J2vNu)

109 Ars Technica published "Only 5 percent of US car buyers want an EV, according to survey" today.

From the article there is this myopic and arrogant gem: "A big concern for non-EV drivers pondering or worrying about changing powertrains is the state of public charging infrastructure. This is understandable, if misguided—if one only has experience of vehicles that require refueling with liquid hydrocarbons at a specialized refueling center (i.e., a gas station), it's easy to see how they can't think outside that paradigm."

Uh, no. I considered EVs and they are a shitshow.

https://is.gd/ETJRYc

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram - My President has convictions at January 10, 2025 11:22 AM (Q8Bj8)

110 Did Jeep or AMC ever get an 8% share?

Posted by: no one of any consequence at January 10, 2025 11:23 AM (ZmEVT)

111 My mistake Trump can still vote as a Florida resident, as a felon can vote there once all terms of sentence has completed

So Trump will have to wait to vote again until lunch

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Hey 2025 You Ain't All That Just Cuz You Divisible by 5 at January 10, 2025 11:23 AM (1mXo4)

112 One of the things you learn living in the Western United States is that every square inch of land in the West is sacred tribal land, and cannot be disturbed.
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This is true. Did many summers of weapons testing in Yuma and 29 Palms. They had ID'd areas where archeologists say something happen on a spot somewhere in the past and could not be disturbed. Looking at these spots we always wondered what the fuck did they see to come to that conclusion.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 10, 2025 11:23 AM (jFCkp)

113 Posted by: Zombie Ving Rhames

Off nasty all the meats sock from yesterday.

phrasing

Posted by: BifBewalski at January 10, 2025 11:23 AM (MsrgL)

114 About 15.9 million cars and light trucks were sold in the United States in 2024, of which 14.6 million were not electric vehicles. The 1.3 million EVs sold in 2024 amounted to an 8% market share.
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Which is actually quite remarkable. From 0 to 8% in 20 years for a product class that is not new but is a radical departure at a significant premium is notable. That *is* a market, and a real one by its size.

But we we're going to discover is how real that size is. Absent subsidies and government fleet purchases, how big the market share? I don't know, but we're going to find out.

That a market can be *purchased* is not all that notable or surprising. It is just unaffordable. All of the market-buying the government (ours and others) have done has purchased an 8% market. Without their market-buying, I'll be interested to see how big the market is.

My wild-ass guess is that it will fall by about half. 4% is still a real market, but man was that expensive to achieve. If I am in the ballpark, then Tesla is going to be the only EV company outside of China. It will compete against the global majors' EV divisions.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 10, 2025 11:23 AM (HnUIn)

115 “The moral of the story is that many parts of the USA, especially rural America, might not be ready for EVs”
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Well, perhaps you fukwit. Or, more accurately, you aren't intelligent enough to do your fu*king homework and trip planning.
Posted by: Tonypete at January 10, 2025 11:07 AM (WXNFJ)

Many people on the coasts, like most people in Europe, cannot conceptualize just how massive the US is.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 10, 2025 11:23 AM (ExV1e)

116 But cheering on BYD and praising its success is somehow seen as enlightened by the EV crowd.

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The EV crowd are not enlightened, they are extraordinarily benighted.

Posted by: Decaf at January 10, 2025 11:23 AM (unUNN)

117 93 It means that Trump is now officially a convicted felon, so Merchan gave the D's their talking point.

I mean, so what? The election is over. Trump is president.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 10, 2025 11:21 AM (xCA6C)
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So what indeed. However, this will help isolate the real partisans in the legacy news business by those who can't help bu use that connotation.

Posted by: WisRich at January 10, 2025 11:24 AM (EL2wb)

118 OT, but still China related, opened up a new Smithfield bacon package, and it seems they've bred the meat out of bacon.

Posted by: From about That Time at January 10, 2025 11:24 AM (4780s)

119 Whenever I see a Tesla on the road I imagine the drive is telling the world "I have more money than sense".
Posted by: Decaf at January 10, 2025 11:20 AM (unUNN)

In the area (Old Town) where my office is I see at least 30% electric cars, maybe even more. Teslas, Rivians, Kias, Toyotas. It's ridiculous.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, random is my middle name at January 10, 2025 11:24 AM (xPJvm)

120 This is inside baseball talking point shit that no one outside of dedicated partisans give one shit about.

**************

Americans tend to look favorably on someone who got fucked over by the system

divorced men especially

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Hey 2025 You Ain't All That Just Cuz You Divisible by 5 at January 10, 2025 11:24 AM (1mXo4)

121 "MSNBC Suggests Facebook Ditching Fact-checking Could Lead to Genocide, Race Massacres

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks"

Also heartbreak of psoriasis...and tooth decay.

Posted by: BignJames at January 10, 2025 11:24 AM (Yj6Os)

122 Adam Carolla: California Wildfires and “9 Angry Lesbians” Are Gonna Red-Pill Victims

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Worst part is this is all drawing attention away from Jimmy Cracker's funeral.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 10, 2025 11:25 AM (L/fGl)

123
We don't often agree, but I agree here.

This is inside baseball talking point shit that no one outside of dedicated partisans give one shit about.

Plus, considering how Trump actually fundraised on his mugshot photo and Democrats tried to bury it, I'd assume it's actually something of a net positive, politically, for Trump to be officially convicted in an obviously unjust system that people know is out to get him at any cost.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 10, 2025 11:22 AM (GBKbO)

It changes nobody's opinion of Trump. That cake is baked. It does make me smile though cause it puts on full display that the donks and deep state use the "impartial" apparatus of the government to punish opponents.

Even some true blue dems have to see that whether they are willing to admit it or not.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at January 10, 2025 11:25 AM (OA79/)

124 100,000 more EVs were sold in 2024 than in 2023 (and 400,000 more gasoline-powered vehicles were sold) as manufacturers not named Tesla placed massive discounts on their glut of otherwise unsellable EVs to make them go away.
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Yup. And "we'll make it up on volume" only works if you make a profit.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 10, 2025 11:26 AM (HnUIn)

125 Worst part is this is all drawing attention away from Jimmy Cracker's funeral.

************

Who?

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Hey 2025 You Ain't All That Just Cuz You Divisible by 5 at January 10, 2025 11:26 AM (1mXo4)

126 This is inside baseball talking point shit that no one outside of dedicated partisans give one shit about.

Plus, considering how Trump actually fundraised on his mugshot photo and Democrats tried to bury it, I'd assume it's actually something of a net positive, politically, for Trump to be officially convicted in an obviously unjust system that people know is out to get him at any cost.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 10, 2025 11:22 AM (GBKbO)

Yeah, Trump is going to get resistance, and may even fail, but it won't be due to being a "convicted felon."

It'll be due to the Deep State being better at this game than he is.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 10, 2025 11:26 AM (lH8E4)

127 IMHO, the end game of moving to EVs was the destruction of the American automotive industry. They know EVs aren’t sustainable but that’s not the point, killing the auto industry was. Seems to be working.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at January 10, 2025 11:26 AM (omU9l)

128 Every Buc-ees has superchargers. Too bad they are 800 miles apart.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at January 10, 2025 11:26 AM (ZmEVT)

129 The second was supposed to arrive on 12/23. Instead it got re-routed . . . to MA, which has no zip code even remotely like mine. Eventually it got here -- on 12/29.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 10, 2025 11:09 AM (J2vNu)

This isn't new. Back in 1997 my first husband passed away and the mortuary folk asked if I wanted to pick up his death certificate at their office ( 15 minutes drive from my house) or they could mail it. Things were so overwhelming that I told them to just mail it. I should have had it in two weeks. Six weeks later I was calling them to ask when I would get the certificate and they said I should have gotten it by then and they would check what happened and order a new one. Four days later they called and said they had the new one and the post office was checking to find out what happened to the old one. I arranged to pick up the new one. They said post office told them the old one went to North Dakota. I eventually got it, 6 months later.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at January 10, 2025 11:26 AM (4XwPj)

130 Worst part is this is all drawing attention away from Jimmy Cracker's funeral.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 10, 2025 11:25 AM (L/fGl)
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Get in line buddy.

Posted by: John McCain at January 10, 2025 11:27 AM (EL2wb)

131 27 New code for LA housing after the fire....houses must have sprinkler system and EV charger.
Posted by: BignJames at January 10, 2025 11:07 AM (Yj6Os)

The local utilities will not be able to provide electricity for the latter or water for the former, but at least the building contractors will be able to charge a truckload of cash for these extra amenities, leaving the middle class unable to afford to buy homes and the poor unable to afford rent, increasing the homeless population of California.

Too bad it's impossible to see these unintended consequences of legislation and regulations before they are implemented. I mean, who could have ever guessed thst increasing fast food workers' minimum wage to $20 an hour would result in hundreds of fast food workers losing their jobs?

Posted by: tankdemon at January 10, 2025 11:27 AM (R256O)

132 Oh no! Anyway…
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It will be a problem. Lithium batteries are everywhere. EVs have lots of them, but virtually everything *has* them now.

I might buy another power tool battery and a clutch of 18650s, just in case. Thinking about it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 10, 2025 11:27 AM (HnUIn)

133 Presumably the LIV D voters who want her to run for president. As for me? I'm choosing not to follow any of the Jimmy funeral coverage.
Posted by: PaleRider at January 10, 2025 11:22 AM (CKOCg)

The dynamics were fascinating and noted by Joe Concha yesterday. The Democrats were all pissed off at each other, and barely spoke. Biden and Kamala never even looked at each other, and Kamala was treated like a non-person by everyone. Bush and Trump didn't speak either, clearly dislike each other. Hillary sat there staring looking like the most pissed off person in the room, with Bill handcuffed to her side.

Biggest surprise?? In the middle of all of this dysvunction, Trump and Obama were sitting together in the back, yukking it up like Don Rickles and Johnny Carson. (the rad left is gonna be pissed off at Obama for that)

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 10, 2025 11:27 AM (wyMQY)

134 Former pastor, church planter arrested for armed robbery with female accomplice
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 10, 2025 11:10 AM (L/fGl)

Do you plant churches from seed or do you use cuttings?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 10, 2025 11:27 AM (ExV1e)

135 96 "MSNBC Suggests Facebook Ditching Fact-checking Could Lead to Genocide, Race Massacres
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks"
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Doesn't MSNBC know that life in the western hemisphere is just one slave rebellion or Indian attack after another?

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 10, 2025 11:27 AM (jFCkp)

136 Slavery has always been popular because it is so profitable. Evil as fuck, but profitable.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at January 10, 2025 11:28 AM (Y1zHJ)

137 Sock off

Posted by: WisRich at January 10, 2025 11:28 AM (EL2wb)

138 Some folks I know in Gilbert just bought a Tesla Model Y, With all the discounts and incentives rolled in, it cost them 32 grand. Quite an impressive car for that coin. Lots of nifty convenience features. And it's not their only car, so long road trips are not an issue.

Supposedly has a ten-year warranty on the battery. You see a lot of Teslas on the road around here. Climate is friendly for them.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 10, 2025 11:28 AM (8zz6B)

139 "This is understandable, if misguided—if one only has experience of vehicles that require refueling with liquid hydrocarbons at a specialized refueling center (i.e., a gas station), it's easy to see how they can't think outside that paradigm."

I see a lot of articles written like this. Speaking some kind of authoritarian gibberish that the people who don't embrace this wonderful technology are just ignorant of how wonderful it really is. It implies that they need to be educated in some way.

Pure f'n propaganda.

Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at January 10, 2025 11:28 AM (QB+5g)

140 107 >>New code for LA housing after the fire....houses must have sprinkler system and EV charger.

IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE IF THE EV PARKED IN YOUR GARAGE CATCHES FIRE, SPRINKLER WATER WON'T EXTINGUISH IT.
Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at January 10, 2025 11:22 AM (u1uWe)

ITS FUNNY CAUSE THE SPRINKLERS IN YOUR HOUSE WONT HAVE WATER TO DOUSE THEM WITH.

Posted by: Ben Rothliesbergergler at January 10, 2025 11:28 AM (OA79/)

141 We donated our EV to charity years ago. Since neither of us played golf, it was just taking up room anyway.

Posted by: Eromero at January 10, 2025 11:28 AM (jgmnb)

142 jeep has both of their Toledo OH plants shut down to convert them into EV plants. dodge has also halted production of their most popular pickup the ram 1500 to replace it with a newer model sometime this year.
Posted by: Mister Scott

Last I heard the monster Toyota EV project in western TN has been put on ice. Our Gov gave them close to $1Billion seed money. Idjit!

Posted by: Tonypete at January 10, 2025 11:28 AM (WXNFJ)

143 >>"MSNBC Suggests Facebook Ditching Fact-checking Could Lead to Genocide, Race Massacres

Where, and who would be doing the massacres?

There was a 2-part PBS Frontline episode on facebook back in ~2018 (iirc) about how facebook was used to organize foreign revolutions. This was used to demand censorship. The people then in charge of monitoring speech issues/security were an absolute joke. Obviously, many things changed after that, including US government getting involved.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2025 11:28 AM (u1uWe)

144 "See this is the kind of stupid shit that makes even some on the left shake their heads.

They're only hurting themselves, and they'll NEVER get that.
Posted by: eleven at January 10, 2025 11:21 AM (fV+MH)"

That's the thing though, they're not wrong, and don't realize that they're letting the mask slip. Take a bunch of examples like what is going on in the UK or a several EU nations - if they hadn't kept media and social media on a leash, an entirely rational and not improbable response would have been outright ethnic cleansing. A couple of countries still regularly have refugee centers burnt down even with the censorship in place.

Sugarcoating what is going on here isn't doing anyone any favors. The purpose of the censorship is to prevent retaliatory violence from the populations the censors are enabling violence upon. This is a somewhat larger concern in North America because the legacy population is VASTLY more capable of violence than the poor serfs in Western Europe.

Posted by: heya at January 10, 2025 11:29 AM (szXCY)

145 Theenergy production requirements for majority EVs in use should be enough to make them a no-go for the Gaia worshippers….

Posted by: tubal at January 10, 2025 11:29 AM (PCK5/)

146 The foundry I was working for was going to mold the main structure for electric mail vehicles for a company that didn't get the contract.
They put up the money for the molds from their own pocket.
About $60,000 went into the dumpster.
And now Oshkosh can't fulfill the contract.

Posted by: Reforger at January 10, 2025 11:29 AM (xcIvR)

147 The Resistance is only beginning, and Trump being a convicted felon gives them an important talking point.
Posted by: The ARC of History!

Talking point for whom? The folks that already hate him?

Posted by: Tonypete at January 10, 2025 11:29 AM (WXNFJ)

148 It'll be due to the Deep State being better at this game than he is.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 10, 2025 11:26 AM (lH8E4)

If they were, then he wouldn't be getting inaugurated in a few days.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 10, 2025 11:30 AM (wyMQY)

149 We donated our EV to charity years ago. Since neither of us played golf, it was just taking up room anyway.
Posted by: Eromero at January 10, 2025 11:28 AM (jgmnb)

*golfclap*

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at January 10, 2025 11:30 AM (Y1zHJ)

150 >>>That means I’m trapped at the in-laws until I figure this out. Plus, I need to be at 100% to make it to the first Supercharger when we make the trek back home on Saturday. YIKES! SHIT!

Yesterday, someone made a comment that we were once a nation of doers.

Yet this manchild with more money than sense cannot figure out a way out of his self-created predicament?

For about $1500 or less, you can have a generator, a cord capable of charging it, a couple of gas cans, and enough gas to get you the charge to reach the nearest Supercharger. And now your in-laws have a generator for an emergency.

It's amazing that people can walk and breath.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at January 10, 2025 11:30 AM (i24o9)

151 Americans tend to look favorably on someone who got fucked over by the system

divorced men especially
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Hey 2025 You Ain't All That Just Cuz You Divisible by 5 at January 10, 2025 11:24 AM (1mXo4)

There's a scene early on in The Santa Clause, where Tim Allen takes his kid to Denny's, and all the other divorced dads are there with their kids.

When my kids were younger, we'd be out and about, and because their mom was dead, I always got this sense that people were looking at us, and thinking "another divorced dad, with his visitation."

Yeah, my "visitations" were 365 days a year. Plus one every fourth year.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 10, 2025 11:30 AM (lH8E4)

152 The CT must have #8 wire between the breaker and the outlet, but the outlet was wired with #10. So I switched to 110. Using 110v only got me 1-2 miles per hour, so to get to a full charge would take over 6 days. That means I’m trapped at the in-laws until I figure this out. Plus, I need to be at 100% to make it to the first Supercharger when we make the trek back home on Saturday. YIKES! SHIT!
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This guy ran his trip on margins *way* too narrow. The wire gauge discovery is a rude reminder of that.

It would suck and be a tad dangerous, but he could go buy a spool of wire, a breaker and an outlet and bodge together a 220v connection. And keep an eye on it with a fire extinguisher handy in case it goes sideways on him.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 10, 2025 11:30 AM (HnUIn)

153 60
‘ I think she's totally willing to shirk any sense of duty as a former FLOTUS’

It’s OK with me. If I never saw or heard about that sorry bitch ever again it would be just fine with me.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 10, 2025 11:30 AM (jbnUc)

154 Just like the commercial:
I can drive my Ford Lightning deep into the forest. I pull up to my property, then use the Lightning to power the tools, and lights I'm using to build my vacation cabin.
After working a day or so I return to my primary home in the city with plenty of charge left in the truck.

NO Really!

Posted by: Soy Camping Boy at January 10, 2025 11:30 AM (q/LY2)

155 IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE IF THE EV PARKED IN YOUR GARAGE CATCHES FIRE, SPRINKLER WATER WON'T EXTINGUISH IT.
Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at January 10, 2025 11:22 AM (u1uWe)

ITS FUNNY CAUSE THE SPRINKLERS IN YOUR HOUSE WONT HAVE WATER TO DOUSE THEM WITH.
Posted by: Ben Rothliesbergergler at January 10, 2025 11:28 AM (OA79/)
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The irony, it burns.

Posted by: WisRich at January 10, 2025 11:30 AM (EL2wb)

156 I read somewhere that there is a yuge rare earth deposit in the north of Nevada.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at January 10, 2025 11:30 AM (ZmEVT)

157 We donated our EV to charity years ago. Since neither of us played golf, it was just taking up room anyway.
Posted by: Eromero at January 10, 2025 11:28 AM (jgmnb)

*golfclap*

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at January 10, 2025 11:30 AM (Y1zHJ)

*golfclap^golfclap*

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at January 10, 2025 11:30 AM (i24o9)

158 130 Worst part is this is all drawing attention away from Jimmy Cracker's funeral.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 10, 2025 11:25 AM (L/fGl)
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Get in line buddy.
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The problem is they wanted so bad to focus on Carter but the best they came up with is his staged 'construction' of a house. I watched that and said, no one frames a house like that. Jeebus.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 10, 2025 11:31 AM (jFCkp)

159 So what is the betting pool on who will be the next former POTUS to die? I underestimated the medical system, I had expected slow Joe would be dead by now. Maybe it will be Dubya in a surpise ahead of Bribem and slick Willie.

Posted by: PaleRider at January 10, 2025 11:31 AM (CKOCg)

160 It'll be due to the Deep State being better at this game than he is.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 10, 2025 11:26 AM (lH8E4)

If they were, then he wouldn't be getting inaugurated in a few days.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 10, 2025 11:30 AM (wyMQY)

We'll see, won't we.

I know some are saying the inauguration is going to be lit.

By drones.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 10, 2025 11:31 AM (lH8E4)

161 I think we need to take a close relook at steam cars.
Posted by: Pudinhead at January 10, 2025 11:06 AM (jFCkp)

There are good sound thermodynamic reasons why internal combustion engines are more fuel-efficient than the best steam engines.

Having said that, steam cars that run well on powdered coal for fuel might be very cheap to run, even if they use a lot of coal, and would be be great for pissing off the greentards.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 10, 2025 11:31 AM (8zz6B)

162 >>> EV fans have come to accept that slave labor in foreign lands is something they’re willing to accept in order to drive a virtuous vehicle.

See also slave labor in smartphone factories in China, and indentured servants and real servants in America.

The dems are still the Victorian robber barons and oligarchs of old, just without the spats and the sense of noblesse oblige.

Posted by: LizLem at January 10, 2025 11:32 AM (gWBY1)

163 President Vladimir Putin saying any U.S. move to claim Greenland would legitimize Russia’s own expansionist aims and ambitions to restore former Soviet territories, such as the Baltics, to its own sphere of influence and power.

https://is.gd/WgOPrF

I had been assured that Putin was NOT trying to rebuild the USSR.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 10, 2025 11:32 AM (xCA6C)

164 "public charging infrastructure. This is understandable, if misguided--if one only has experience of vehicles that require refueling with liquid hydrocarbons at a specialized refueling center (i.e., a gas station), it's easy to see how they can't think outside that paradigm"

"specialized refueling center (i.e., a gas station)"?

Storing gas in containers and being able to refuel a gallon or two quickly at the side of the road is outside the "EV specialized refueling center (i.e. a cord connected to the electrical grid)"

Posted by: Chuck C at January 10, 2025 11:32 AM (D0HYP)

165 "Where, and who would be doing the massacres?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2025 11:28 AM (u1uWe)"

If I was stuck in the UK and couldn't leave, I could hand you a pretty long list of people I'd love to see hanging from overpasses.

The point of the censorship regime is to paralyze the censored populations while the censors do things to them that would reasonably get them killed otherwise.

Posted by: heya at January 10, 2025 11:32 AM (szXCY)

166 I read somewhere that there is a yuge rare earth deposit in the north of Nevada.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at January 10, 2025 11:30 AM (ZmEVT)
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Our continent is absurdly resource-rich. We have virtually everything.

We do not have the ability to exploit it, largely because of environmental regulation in this case.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 10, 2025 11:32 AM (HnUIn)

167 Pickup truck buyers quickly figured out that the Lightning is a novelty vehicle, and unfortunately for Ford, there is not a very large market for expensive novelty trucks.

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Why buy one when you can rent one when you want to commit suicide in it while parked in front of Trump's hotel?

Posted by: Decaf at January 10, 2025 11:33 AM (unUNN)

168 89 Posted by: tankdemon at January 10, 2025 11:16 AM

Thanks, at work so no news is on, just oldies music
Posted by: Skip at January 10, 2025 11:20 AM (gNiwe)

Oldies music is definitely the better choice.

Posted by: tankdemon at January 10, 2025 11:33 AM (R256O)

169 The market place will kill EVs unless DC despotism uses coercion… now THAT would cause shit to hit the fan. Maybe that is what’s needed.

Posted by: tubal at January 10, 2025 11:33 AM (PCK5/)

170 Teslas make sense as a second ot third car in places like Phoenix.

They are a great innovation but they are not "The Solution".

The government is dominated by the management class that wants everything in one nice pile and believes that "one size fits all" is the ultimate in design because it makes their job easier.

Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at January 10, 2025 11:33 AM (QB+5g)

171 They know EVs aren’t sustainable but that’s not the point, killing the auto industry was.

Bingo.

The social controllers don't actually intend to have people engage in the mass adoption of EVs, but they will use the existence of EVs as an excuse to ban gas-powered cars.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 10, 2025 11:33 AM (uxCna)

172 What pray tell are the fucking duties of a former first lady, really? They were always contingent on that person's sense of duty and responsibility anyway. The Obamas have always shown that they feel neither of those things, so, let's dispense with the charade as they never took it up.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at January 10, 2025 11:33 AM (Y1zHJ)

173 163 President Vladimir Putin saying any U.S. move to claim Greenland would legitimize Russia’s own expansionist aims and ambitions to restore former Soviet territories, such as the Baltics, to its own sphere of influence and power.

https://is.gd/WgOPrF

I had been assured that Putin was NOT trying to rebuild the USSR.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 10, 2025 11:32 AM (xCA6C)

It’s just good trolling, obviously.

Posted by: tubal at January 10, 2025 11:34 AM (PCK5/)

174 "Juan Merchan Sentences Trump to Unconditional Discharge: No Penalty, Conviction Upheld".

Merchan could now be fired for cause.

34 felonies and no punishment.

Every felon can now appeal.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2025 11:34 AM (ys+zb)

175 Michelle supposedly jetted off to a Hawaii vacay

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How do you vacay from doing nothing?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 10, 2025 11:34 AM (L/fGl)

176 The problem is they wanted so bad to focus on Carter but the best they came up with is his staged 'construction' of a house. I watched that and said, no one frames a house like that. Jeebus.

One wonders if the HfH houses built by Carter got the same Federal scrutiny as the ones built by the Amish in NC.

Scratch that. One doesn't really wonder.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 10, 2025 11:34 AM (xCA6C)

177 Whenever I see a Tesla on the road I imagine the drive is telling the world "I have more money than sense".

Posted by: Decaf

Pffft.

Posted by: Range Rover owner at January 10, 2025 11:34 AM (4DY5T)

178 President Vladimir Putin saying any U.S. move to claim Greenland would legitimize Russia’s own expansionist aims and ambitions to restore former Soviet territories, such as the Baltics, to its own sphere of influence and power.

https://is.gd/WgOPrF
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I had been assured that Putin was NOT trying to rebuild the USSR.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 10, 2025 11:32 AM (xCA6C)

He's not, but just like Trump he knows how to get people to get their panties in a bunch over things he says.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 10, 2025 11:34 AM (lH8E4)

179 It looked - terrible. Aged. Dated. Old. Obsolete.
Posted by: Defenestratus at January 10, 2025 11:18 AM (WYStd)

The new Lightnings have a slightly improved camera. You (your neighbor) need to change it in immediately. You wouldn't want your social circle to think you're too poor to afford the latest, do you?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 10, 2025 11:35 AM (ExV1e)

180 Slick Willie is looking pretty corpsey these days.

Posted by: eleven at January 10, 2025 11:35 AM (fV+MH)

181 What pray tell are the fucking duties of a former first lady, really?
Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at January 10, 2025 11:33 AM (Y1zHJ)
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The same as the fucking duties of an active first lady: her husband.

Posted by: Runs Away at January 10, 2025 11:35 AM (HnUIn)

182 163 I had been assured that Putin was NOT trying to rebuild the USSR.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 10, 2025 11:32 AM (xCA6C)

Any land with even a single ethnic Russian living in it rightfully belongs to Putin.

Posted by: XTC at January 10, 2025 11:35 AM (UnA8+)

183 One of my sons has a Model 3. Just love it. Back in the Summer he bought a Model Y.

Too many problems. Used the Calif. Lemon Law to unwind the purchase. Got the wife a nice Volvo SUV instead. Cost about the same.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at January 10, 2025 11:35 AM (ZmEVT)

184 The same as the fucking duties of an active first lady: her husband.
Posted by: Runs Away at January 10, 2025 11:35 AM (HnUIn)

Heh.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work phone at January 10, 2025 11:35 AM (Y1zHJ)

185 Pickup truck buyers quickly figured out that the Lightning is a novelty vehicle, and unfortunately for Ford, there is not a very large market for expensive novelty trucks.

Expensive novelty truck?

I give you the Ford Raptor.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2025 11:36 AM (ys+zb)

186 I hates the Fedex! But I just ordered some meats, because local grocery stores sux, and now I have to hope Fedex doesn't bungle my shipment, sending it across the Caucasus Mountains, or wherever.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 10, 2025 11:20 AM (lH8E4)

From where?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 10, 2025 11:36 AM (ExV1e)

187 If we call them "blood batteries," to play off blood diamonds, it has the alliteration thing going.

Posted by: LizLem at January 10, 2025 11:36 AM (gWBY1)

188 It’s just good trolling, obviously.
Posted by: tubal at January 10, 2025 11:34 AM (PCK5/)

Heck, next thing you know, North Korea is gonna start saying they should take over South Korea... and Winnie the Ping will say Chi Nah is gonna take Taiwan!

Oh noes!!!

Posted by: BurtTC at January 10, 2025 11:36 AM (lH8E4)

189 I read somewhere that there is a yuge rare earth deposit in the north of Nevada.
Posted by: no one of any consequence

I just want to celebrate another day of living.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 10, 2025 11:36 AM (L/fGl)

190 Any land with even a single ethnic Russian living in it rightfully belongs to Putin.
Posted by: XTC

Who knew Putin was muslim?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2025 11:37 AM (ys+zb)

191 "For about $1500 or less, you can have a generator, a cord capable of charging it, a couple of gas cans, and enough gas to get you the charge to reach the nearest Supercharger. And now your in-laws have a generator for an emergency.

It's amazing that people can walk and breath.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at January 10, 2025 11:30 AM (i24o9)"

Do you know any of these people? Go look in the garage in their $800k home. It's got a couple of $90-150k cars in it, probably. Few lawn chairs and some knicknacks.

No tools. No generators. No laterns. No emergency stuff or practical things of any kind, because their standard of living is plummeting just like the rest of us, and part of how they convince themselves that everything is fine is that they're larping as self sufficient adults. They probably have about 2 day's worth of food in the house, total. Guarantee you this retard couldn't drop $1500 on an emergency out of pocket, assuming he can even lift a generator, unbox it, fuel it, and use it without killing himself or others.

Posted by: heya at January 10, 2025 11:37 AM (szXCY)

192 Why Hawaii? It's a good time to get out of Stitcago or Martha's Vineyard.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at January 10, 2025 11:37 AM (ZmEVT)

193 New code for LA housing after the fire....houses must have sprinkler system and EV charger.
Posted by: BignJames at January 10, 2025 11:07 AM (Yj6Os)

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Where will you get water for the sprinkler system?

Posted by: Decaf at January 10, 2025 11:37 AM (unUNN)

194 From where?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 10, 2025 11:36 AM (ExV1e)

Meriwether Farms.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 10, 2025 11:37 AM (lH8E4)

195 This callipygian brunette in a dress loves the thrilling accleration of EV sports cars, but understands the compromises and so doesn't want one as her only car:
http://tiny.cc/mb15001

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 10, 2025 11:38 AM (HnUIn)

196 I wonder if any EV's contributed to the LA fires?

The good news to the empty hydrants is, water can't put out EV fires, anyways.

Posted by: Los Angeles' Top Lesbians at January 10, 2025 11:38 AM (9O5em)

197 How you do test the sprinkler system without water?

Posted by: no one of any consequence at January 10, 2025 11:38 AM (ZmEVT)

198 This callipygian brunette in a dress loves the thrilling accleration of EV sports cars, but understands the compromises and so doesn't want one as her only car:

She has a very unbalanced figure.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 10, 2025 11:38 AM (xCA6C)

199 EVs work well as commuter cars in warm weather. In cold weather the range drops off a cliff and charging time increases as well.

Hot or cold weather, long distance is a tortuous for all EVs. For EVs, it’s the inverse of ICE vehicles. You get worse mileage at highway speeds and better mileage in stop and go traffic. So a 400 mile trip can easily require 3 stops to charge.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at January 10, 2025 11:39 AM (Wl+1U)

200 147 The Resistance is only beginning, and Trump being a convicted felon gives them an important talking point.
Posted by: The ARC of History!

Talking point for whom? The folks that already hate him?
Posted by: Tonypete at January 10, 2025 11:29 AM (WXNFJ)

Convicted felon is the literally Hitler for 2025.

It will be used till it has no meaning.

Posted by: Ben Rothliesbergergler at January 10, 2025 11:39 AM (OA79/)

201 156 I read somewhere that there is a yuge rare earth deposit in the north of Nevada.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at January 10, 2025 11:30 AM (ZmEVT)

I first found out what rere earth is back in 97 when I was doing goephysical survey for mines all over Nevada.
Did the back side of the Ruth mine outside Ely, North of Vegas.
Gold was woth shit at the time so I asked what they were mining as gold wouldn't put a days worth of fuel in a haul truck per ounce.
"Rare Earth! No idea what it is for but they pay out the ass for it."
They were extracting dirt from gold ore and selling the dirt.
Rare earth is all over Nevada but it's burried under tons of red tape.

Posted by: Reforger at January 10, 2025 11:39 AM (xcIvR)

202 Whenever I see a Tesla on the road I imagine the drive is telling the world "I have more money than sense".

Posted by: Decaf

Pffft.

Posted by: Range Rover owner at January 10, 2025 11:34 AM (4DY5T)

Hold our Zima.

Posted by: BMW Owners at January 10, 2025 11:39 AM (i24o9)

203 I hates the Fedex! But I just ordered some meats, because local grocery stores sux, and now I have to hope Fedex doesn't bungle my shipment, sending it across the Caucasus Mountains, or wherever.
Posted by: BurtTC

Fed Ex, UPS & USPS should merge.

We could call the new company Fed Up.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2025 11:39 AM (ys+zb)

204 I had been assured that Putin was NOT trying to rebuild the USSR.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 10, 2025 11:32 AM (xCA6C)

Any land with even a single ethnic Russian living in it rightfully belongs to Putin.
Posted by: XTC at January 10, 2025 11:35 AM (UnA8+)

Until this past week, I'd say there goes LA.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 10, 2025 11:39 AM (lH8E4)

205 Slightly off topic but adjacent. I just spent $9.00 for a dozen eggs in the oh-so-caring failed state of California. F*CK!

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at January 10, 2025 11:39 AM (AiZBA)

206 Now imagine the fires in LA, except every car is an EV.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 10, 2025 11:39 AM (vSCLw)

207 One of the major employers in Portland is Daimler Trucks, which has a factory here.

Oregon (like Washington) allows California to set its environmental policy, so Oregon adopted California's requirement that a small percentage of trucks sold have to be electric.

This works (sorta) in California because a lot of truck trips are short-hauls from the container ports in Long Beach and Oakland to the surrounding metro areas, so you can get away with using EV trucks for those trips.

Oregon doesn't have a container port, so truck trips are almost all long hauls, and EV trucks don't work for those.

Daimler has stopped selling trucks in Oregon as a result.

I'm sure that factory will last for a long time in an area where Daimler can't sell the factory's product.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 10, 2025 11:39 AM (uxCna)

208 102
‘ The Resistance is only beginning, and Trump being a convicted felon gives them an important talking point.’

Them having a talking point isn’t the problem. Those assholes will just make up talking points if they don’t have any.

The problem is judicial supremacy. Those bastards think they can just make up law (Supreme Court) or make up criminal offenses (local ass-bandits like Merchan). That needs to stop.
Someone with the American people’s attention needs to identify this lawlessness for what it is and defy it

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 10, 2025 11:40 AM (jbnUc)

209 "And now Oshkosh can't fulfill the contract.
Posted by: Reforger at January 10, 2025 11:29 AM (xcIvR)"

Oshkosh is rolling in money from selling a zillion military vehicles. If they can't get this done it's because the government specified something fantastically stupid.

Posted by: heya at January 10, 2025 11:40 AM (szXCY)

210 A few years down the road an EV will be the new slap chop. Sounded like a good idea at the time, but now just sits unused in the back of a drawer somewhere. I see them around here, not many, but they're here. Funny thing is they always seem to drive under the speed limit and pull away from a traffic light pretty slow. I'm guessing because the driver is probably white knuckling it watching their charge meter and praying Pleeaaase god get me home, I'll donate to charity, I'll donate to the headless children of bona bona, whatever it takes please get me hommmme.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 10, 2025 11:40 AM (VwHCD)

211 ***Let’s see if all the environmentally-smug EV drivers will advocate for bringing lithium mining and brining home to the states.***
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And while we're at it; Let's Make Lead Great Again and open up mining and smelting for it. Those lead acid batteries were cheap and effective.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 10, 2025 11:40 AM (OVrCp)

212 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 10, 2025 11:40 AM (vf0Uk)

213 If only there were huge natural resources in, oh I don't know, maybe ... Greenland?

Posted by: Elric The Blade at January 10, 2025 11:40 AM (iFTx/)

214 I read somewhere that there is a yuge rare earth deposit in the north of Nevada.

Sorry, sacred tribal land.

Moose out front should have told ya.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 10, 2025 11:41 AM (uxCna)

215 I ordered a small appliance from Walmart. It was supposed to be delivered the next day by Federal Express. It was -- to some other doorstep in my big apartment complex. A complaint to FE elicited something along the line of "Hey, we delivered it. Take your problem up with the seller."

So I did, and got my money back. But it was damned annoying.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 10, 2025 11:22 AM

I had that same issue with both fedex and ups when we lived in Kentucky. We lived at 105 hawthorne drive and there was a 105 hawthorne court less than a block away from my house. I never understood why the planning idiots let that pass. I would constantly get their stuff and they would get ours and we would just take it to each others house.

Sometimes my stuff would just disappear after it had been delivered probably from porch pirates because the couple in that house both worked nights at the Toyota plant. Both fedex and ups always told me to take it up with the seller.

Weirdly the post office never mixed up our addresses.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 10, 2025 11:41 AM (Rcnd3)

216 It will be used till it has no meaning.
Posted by: Ben Rothliesbergergler at January 10, 2025 11:39 AM (OA79/)

since today it means no jail time, no probation, no fines, no nothing, I say we hit that point.

the LIV's are noticing and saying "wait, what?"

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 10, 2025 11:41 AM (wyMQY)

217 Snow has arrived.

Posted by: BignJames at January 10, 2025 11:41 AM (Yj6Os)

218 When my kids were younger, we'd be out and about, and because their mom was dead, I always got this sense that people were looking at us, and thinking "another divorced dad, with his visitation."
Posted by: BurtTC

I honestly worried about that very thing also but one kind woman set me straight: "Honey, no woman mistakes you for a divorced Dad with the kid on your weekend. You have terrible haircuts and you look like you dressed them at Goodwill. No offense."

Um, thanks?

Posted by: Tonypete at January 10, 2025 11:41 AM (WXNFJ)

219 New code for LA housing after the fire....houses must have sprinkler system and EV charger.
Posted by: BignJames at January 10, 2025 11:07 AM (Yj6Os)

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Where will you get water for the sprinkler system?
Posted by: Decaf

Same place PG&E will get electricity for the charging station...

Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2025 11:41 AM (ys+zb)

220 In the area (Old Town) where my office is I see at least 30% electric cars, maybe even more. Teslas, Rivians, Kias, Toyotas. It's ridiculous.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, random is my middle name at January 10, 2025 11:24 AM (xPJvm)

Are those Toyotas electric, or hybrid? I have a hybrid and there's no way to plug them in... they're gas and go.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 10, 2025 11:41 AM (ExV1e)

221 Guarantee you this retard couldn't drop $1500 on an emergency out of pocket, assuming he can even lift a generator, unbox it, fuel it, and use it without killing himself or others.

Posted by: heya at January 10, 2025 11:37 AM (szXCY)

That's a risk I am willing to take.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at January 10, 2025 11:41 AM (i24o9)

222 >>The point of the censorship regime is to paralyze the censored populations while the censors do things to them that would reasonably get them killed otherwise.

Well said.

For example, facebook doesn't censor the trans madness, only its critics.

It's also interesting that no one is talking about the existing crap facebook/instagram security for underage users.

The WSJ had an article within the past year that was written by a Mete exec who was shocked to see what happened after his teen daughter created an instagram account (she was getting contacted/friended by sketchy people, and served up inappropriate content). Guess Zuck is counting on waving that away, too, with this new anti-censorship stance. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2025 11:42 AM (u1uWe)

223 The EVs range anxiety reminds of a bygone era of horse and buggy days. You had to plan your trip to how far your horse can go before it's exhausted. Ain't progress grand?

Posted by: Decaf at January 10, 2025 11:42 AM (unUNN)

224 I tell ya, if these fires get any worse it's going to be as bad as January 6th!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 10, 2025 11:42 AM (L/fGl)

225 Damn, Buck. That's quite the write-up. Nicely done, sir.

Keep fighting the good fight. You're a leader.

In other news, I made it to work. 12 miles, roughly. I avoided the freeway and took secondary roads. They were mostly fine. Just a couple slushy intersections. The bridges and overpasses are still sketchy, tho.

Not a lot of people out either, which is good.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 10, 2025 11:42 AM (vf0Uk)

226 >>> 27 New code for LA housing after the fire....houses must have sprinkler system and EV charger.
Posted by: BignJames at January 10, 2025 11:07 AM (Yj6Os)

Some hollywood celeb (Carson Daly? I've been watching too many podcasts on the LA fires, can't remember) got hosed by the new codes when he went to build a pool. It had to be double lined, in case it leaks, like you would a gas tanker under a gas station.

Yes, because the worst thing in bone dry LA would be if water leaked into the ground.

The celeb got a rude awakening to the red tape that is LA home construction and remodeling, and was not happy. Now multiply that times a million people in LA when they go to rebuild in the hills or on the coast.

Adam Carrolla predicts it'll turn a lot of Hollywood red. That might be optimistic. I do find that once you flick over one pillar of the liberal mass formation psychosis, all the rest of their beliefs tend to fall over like dominos. So maybe?

Posted by: LizLem at January 10, 2025 11:42 AM (gWBY1)

227 , ahem, “flexible” and cost-efficient labor strategies.

we like to call it "embracing diversity in our supply chain"

6 year olds need work too, after all

Posted by: Nike at January 10, 2025 11:42 AM (jGJov)

228 Hey AOP, have you seen the Garage54 guys? I think you would like them.

Posted by: fd at January 10, 2025 11:42 AM (vFG9F)

229 Weirdly the post office never mixed up our addresses.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 10, 2025 11:41 AM (Rcnd3)

Same here. As much as people badmouth the USPS, they're the most consistently reliable, from my experience.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 10, 2025 11:43 AM (lH8E4)

230 I tell ya, if these fires get any worse it's going to be as bad as January 6th!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 10, 2025 11:42 AM (L/fGl)

There's going to be a precinct or 2 of dead cops to achieve THAT level, you know.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at January 10, 2025 11:43 AM (vf0Uk)

231 Sorry, sacred tribal land.

Moose out front should have told ya.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 10, 2025 11:41 AM (uxCna)
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Is the moose sacred as well?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 10, 2025 11:43 AM (BpYfr)

232 "199 EVs work well as commuter cars in warm weather.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at January 10, 2025 11:39 AM (Wl+1U)"

*only if you are wealthy enough to own one in addition to an ICE vehicle, or even wealthier and have staff/drivers

Remember, public transit is virtually unusable in basically the entire United States. I'm not aware of any small city or larger where you can actually ride buses or trains the way one might in, say, Japan. They're all either unreliable and/or overrun with shit covered bums and ghetto peasants having freakouts.

Posted by: heya at January 10, 2025 11:43 AM (szXCY)

233 Sorry, sacred tribal land.

Not joking.

It may appear to be the most desolate area on Earth, but it is sacred to the local tribes, of course.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 10, 2025 11:43 AM (uxCna)

234 I honestly worried about that very thing also but one kind woman set me straight: "Honey, no woman mistakes you for a divorced Dad with the kid on your weekend. You have terrible haircuts and you look like you dressed them at Goodwill. No offense."

Um, thanks?
Posted by: Tonypete at January 10, 2025 11:41 AM (WXNFJ)

Good grief, how bad were the haircuts?

Posted by: BurtTC at January 10, 2025 11:44 AM (lH8E4)

235 Where will you get water for the sprinkler system?
Posted by: Decaf

It's tied to your social credit score.

Posted by: California Building Codes at January 10, 2025 11:45 AM (9O5em)

236 227 , ahem, “flexible” and cost-efficient labor strategies.

we like to call it "embracing diversity in our supply chain"

6 year olds need work too, after all
Posted by: Nike at January 10, 2025 11:42 AM (jGJov)

Hey, after Jan 20, I'm done.

Posted by: The six year old who was Kamala's speechwriter at January 10, 2025 11:45 AM (PiwSw)

237 DOn't be naive, it's not just a talking point, unfortunately , felons are restricted from many legal things. I wonder if there is a deeper , more sinister plot. For example Ds can argue that anything Trump now signs is null and void, because he is a felon, like executive orders or any law.

Posted by: runner at January 10, 2025 11:45 AM (g47mK)

238 >>> Why Hawaii? It's a good time to get out of Stitcago or Martha's Vineyard.

I wonder where she's staying. Supposedly they've sold their Hawaii compound, the one that had the home from Magnum PI that Obama had razed to the ground. Also the one that the secret service agent was using for his personal mile high club, I think.

Posted by: LizLem at January 10, 2025 11:45 AM (gWBY1)

239 Um, thanks?
Posted by: Tonypete at January 10, 2025 11:41 AM (WXNFJ)

Good grief, how bad were the haircuts?

I'm sure they were great. He paid top dollar for a really good weed eater.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 10, 2025 11:46 AM (xCA6C)

240 The wind blows your electric car stops charging. Illegal aliens diving drunk hit power pole....Screw you.

Posted by: torabora at January 10, 2025 11:46 AM (f8rQN)

241 My son works in a car auction business
Rental companies like Hertz and enterprise are offloading thousands of EV's
Business travellers dont want them and they cost more to maintain.

Posted by: McCool at January 10, 2025 11:46 AM (Vm5ir)

242 >>>Pleeaaase god get me home, I'll donate to charity, I'll donate to the headless children of bona bona, whatever it takes please get me hommmme.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division
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I read Edmunds to get an idea about vehicles. I think they are honest. The new Y car which is the hatchback of the 3 is EPA rated (from memory) at 260 mi, a probable 200 and driving it with a hot foot they got 100 miles. But it's zippy, 0-60 in 3.2 seconds.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 10, 2025 11:46 AM (OVrCp)

243 Trump wanted to executive order a lot on day one, but Ds can try to stall it.

Posted by: runner at January 10, 2025 11:46 AM (g47mK)

244 205 Slightly off topic but adjacent. I just spent $9.00 for a dozen eggs in the oh-so-caring failed state of California. F*CK!
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at January 10, 2025 11:39 AM (AiZBA)
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Pretty soon, they're going to be selling egg "loosies" around the corner of the grocery store.

Posted by: WisRich at January 10, 2025 11:46 AM (EL2wb)

245 Speaking of, one time my ex's kids came in with their hair cut, after their week with dad. I thought they looked better with longer hair, but... not my fight.

She hit the ceiling when she saw it. Honestly, even at the time I'm sure they asked for their cuts, and made sure to present mom with a done deal, rather than ask permission, because anything their dad wanted to do, mom was going to take the opposite position.

Hair grows back, hon. Get over it.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 10, 2025 11:47 AM (lH8E4)

246 Good grief, how bad were the haircuts?
Posted by: BurtTC

Hate to admit to it but the woman was spot on. My now wife spied the kids and me in Mass before we met and thought the same thing.

"Oh my, look at those poor dears."

Posted by: Tonypete at January 10, 2025 11:47 AM (WXNFJ)

247
Get your collectors' photos of EV road guano while you still can folks!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 10, 2025 11:47 AM (xG4kz)

248 Trump wanted to executive order a lot on day one, but Ds can try to stall it.

It is the most sacred principle of Hawaiian Law - Republican presidents are not allowed to undo the executive orders of Democratic presidents.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 10, 2025 11:47 AM (uxCna)

249 Damn MAGA!

Joy Reid Melts Down as She Calls Trump’s Transition to Power the “Most Violent in U.S. History”

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 10, 2025 11:48 AM (L/fGl)

250 Whenever I see a Tesla on the road I imagine the drive is telling the world "I have more money than sense".

Posted by: Decaf

The cheapest Tesla is like $40k. It’s not much more than a well equipped Camry. Shit 80% of the F150s you see on the road cost more. The days of Tesla being exclusively a toy for the rich is about 10 years old. They’re just appliances now like most cars.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at January 10, 2025 11:48 AM (Wl+1U)

251 ICE to me means cops that catch and deport illegal aliens.

Posted by: torabora at January 10, 2025 11:48 AM (f8rQN)

252 The shame to me is that eventually all these executives that have driven their auto companies into ruin will be ousted with payouts 100 times what I have made in my lifetime.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 10, 2025 11:14 AM (aD39U)

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It's not just the car industry, it's like that in every industry. It's all due to gutless boards who are too scared to fire the useless CEOs.

Posted by: Decaf at January 10, 2025 11:48 AM (unUNN)

253 And now Oshkosh can't fulfill the contract.
Posted by: Reforger at January 10, 2025 11:29 AM (xcIvR)

Oshkosh lost the JLTV2 contract too. Not sure what they be building now....

Posted by: Defenestratus at January 10, 2025 11:49 AM (WYStd)

254 ...unfortunately for Ford, there is not a very large market for expensive novelty trucks.

Of course there is but the smoke and noise are desired aspects of the novelty.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 10, 2025 11:49 AM (/y8xj)

255 I had been assured that Putin was NOT trying to rebuild the USSR.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 10, 2025 11:32 AM (xCA6C)

I suspect Putin is more interested in preventing the US from controlling Greenland than he is about Moscow controlling Latvia.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 10, 2025 11:49 AM (ExV1e)

256
Pretty soon, they're going to be selling egg "loosies" around the corner of the grocery store.

Posted by: WisRich

They'll have to wait for the "flame broiled eggs" frenzy to die down first

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 10, 2025 11:49 AM (xG4kz)

257 We should start a new monument : Nelson Mandela, MLK jr and Trump

Posted by: LASue at January 10, 2025 11:49 AM (UsJk1)

258 Buy an EV, move to L.A.
Oh, and don't forget fire insurance.

Posted by: wth at January 10, 2025 11:49 AM (v0R5T)

259 t is the most sacred principle of Hawaiian Law - Republican presidents are not allowed to undo the executive orders of Democratic presidents.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 10, 2025 11:47 AM (uxCna)

I was talking about the possible effect of leaving Trump a "convicted felon".

Posted by: runner at January 10, 2025 11:49 AM (g47mK)

260 Hate to admit to it but the woman was spot on. My now wife spied the kids and me in Mass before we met and thought the same thing.

"Oh my, look at those poor dears."
Posted by: Tonypete at January 10, 2025 11:47 AM (WXNFJ)

Well, my mother cut all our hair, and she and my dad were married til the day he died.

If the other folks in church looked at us, they'd probably think "there's a Catholic family."

Posted by: BurtTC at January 10, 2025 11:50 AM (lH8E4)

261 I glanced at a couple of those "before/after" photos of coastal LA. Most are aerial or satellite imagery. In the before photos the houses in some areas devastated by the fires are literally right on top of each other. No yards. Although pretty common in a lot of areas.

I cannot imagine that California will allow that sort of density in any of those areas again... and that assumes some people will be permitted to rebuild.

This is going to be a generational situation. Probably go on for at least 25 years with little resolution.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 10, 2025 11:50 AM (Q4IgG)

262 Oshkosh lost the JLTV2 contract too. Not sure what they be building now....
Posted by: Defenestratus at January 10, 2025 11:49 AM (WYStd)

A better future through DEI.

Posted by: Reforger at January 10, 2025 11:51 AM (xcIvR)

263 Oshkosh lost the JLTV2 contract too. Not sure what they be building now....
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JLTV is not warmly received by the Army. Its a maintenance whore.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 10, 2025 11:51 AM (jFCkp)

264 Speaking of Cybercucks... Saw a cute little video yesterday of a Cybercuck trying to go up an offroad embankment/hill that was quite the grade. It'd get about halfway up and stop. Didn't look or sound like it was spinning tires - it just stopped.

In the "lane" next to it was a H2. It was waiting for the Cybercuck to complete the obstacle - after after giving it 3 attempts... the H2 pulls a U-turn into the Cybercuck's face (headlight to headlight) - then proceeds to back up in reverse - completely up the same hill that the Cybercuck couldn't make it up.

It warmed the cockles of my heart to see it so cucked. Like its owner.

Posted by: Defenestratus at January 10, 2025 11:51 AM (WYStd)

265
Damn MAGA!

Joy Reid Melts Down as She Calls Trump’s Transition to Power the “Most Violent in U.S. History”

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent

What the everloving fook is she talking about?

Those committing said violence are almost exclusively leftists.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 10, 2025 11:51 AM (xG4kz)

266 Barbra Streisand: Winds Pushing Los Angeles Wildfires Are ‘Due to Climate Change’

first high profile stupid, stupid , stupid to blame Democrat incompetence on climate change

Posted by: runner at January 10, 2025 11:52 AM (g47mK)

267 I suspect Putin is more interested in preventing the US from controlling Greenland than he is about Moscow controlling Latvia.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 10, 2025 11:49 AM (ExV1e)

I wonder if Trump and Vlad have spoken, since Nov. 5.

I bet they have.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 10, 2025 11:52 AM (lH8E4)

268 What's happening with gas stoves and new construction gas hookups. Trump is going to have to deal with this.

Posted by: ... at January 10, 2025 11:52 AM (Unq3t)

269 257 We should start a new monument : Nelson Mandela, MLK jr and Trump
Posted by: LASue at January 10, 2025 11:49 AM (UsJk1)

I wouldn't complain if Melania wanted to give a bunch of Dems the Flaming Necklace treatment.

Posted by: XTC at January 10, 2025 11:52 AM (UnA8+)

270 233 Sorry, sacred tribal land.

Not joking.

It may appear to be the most desolate area on Earth, but it is sacred to the local tribes, of course.
Posted by: The ARC
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Time for that to go out the window. Ain't no more Indian Nation they are part of the USA. Time for them to get with it. - But they do get to keep the casinos.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 10, 2025 11:52 AM (OVrCp)

271 EV's are proof that some stupid people have lots of money.

Posted by: Machine Head at January 10, 2025 11:52 AM (R/m4+)

272 >>>New Postal EV is Running Waaay Behind Schedule; Trump May Kill It

He should hand the contract to Musk, just to watch the greenie EV cultists heads explode.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at January 10, 2025 11:53 AM (i24o9)

273 I cannot tell you how happy I am to read these regular updates on EVs. Government and car manufacturers wasting billions of dollars ramping up for a limited market gives me faith in their stupidity.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 10, 2025 11:53 AM (de9UE)

274 Oshkosh lost the JLTV2 contract too. Not sure what they be building now....
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JLTV is not warmly received by the Army. Its a maintenance whore.
Posted by: Pudinhead

Let the shit truly hit the fan and we'll be back yo building the Willy's Jeep.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2025 11:53 AM (ys+zb)

275 But despite the fire sale of excess EVs ...

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During Pacific Palisades Transgender Genocide Vengeance Pride Conflagration Month?

REALLY, Buck???

Posted by: ShainS -- Take Back and Rename the PanaMAGA Canal! at January 10, 2025 11:53 AM (EgLGT)

276 261
‘ I cannot imagine that California will allow that sort of density in any of those areas again’

That sounds like a big problem for them.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 10, 2025 11:53 AM (jbnUc)

277 266 Barbra Streisand: Winds Pushing Los Angeles Wildfires Are ‘Due to Climate Change’

first high profile stupid, stupid , stupid to blame Democrat incompetence on climate change
Posted by: runner at January 10, 2025 11:52 AM (g47mK)

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Without climate change, we wouldn't have wind.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 10, 2025 11:53 AM (GBKbO)

278 Bravely soldiering on.

The View Hosts Take Shots at J.D. Vance as Glenn Close Discusses “Hillbilly Elegy”

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 10, 2025 11:53 AM (L/fGl)

279 Let the shit truly hit the fan and we'll be back yo building the Willy's Jeep.
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Like MGs, always park them on a hill.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 10, 2025 11:54 AM (jFCkp)

280 JLTV is not warmly received by the Army. Its a maintenance whore.
Posted by: Pudinhead at January 10, 2025 11:51 AM (jFCkp)

Yes the JLTV2 is supposed to remedy some of that. It's being built by AM General (Humvee manufacturer) so they have some experience in making things grunt-proof.

The big problem with the JLTV as I understand it, is that it required certified maintenance contractors to work on instead of motor pool mechanics.

Posted by: Defenestratus at January 10, 2025 11:54 AM (WYStd)

281 to get to a full charge would take over 6 days. That means I’m trapped at the in-laws until I figure this out.
......

Ha ha.
Did you figure out that you're an idiot yet?

Posted by: wth at January 10, 2025 11:55 AM (v0R5T)

282 "This is understandable, if misguided—if one only has experience of vehicles that require refueling with liquid hydrocarbons at a specialized refueling center (i.e., a gas station), it's easy to see how they can't think outside that paradigm."

I see a lot of articles written like this. Speaking some kind of authoritarian gibberish that the people who don't embrace this wonderful technology are just ignorant of how wonderful it really is. It implies that they need to be educated in some way.

Pure f'n propaganda.
Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at January 10, 2025 11:28 AM (QB+5g)

If my vehicle runs out of fuel at home, I can pick up a 5 gallon can, and walk to the nearest gas station, fill the can, and walk home to refuel my vehicle. Try that with an EV charger.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 10, 2025 11:55 AM (8zz6B)

283 >>> It may appear to be the most desolate area on Earth, but it is sacred to the local tribes, of course.

Some of those desolate areas are gorgeous, and teeming with life that's not as obvious. The San Rafael Swell in Utah, near Goblin Valley, is amazing.

But, I'm still amazed Trump got 60% of the Native American vote. I'm still trying to figure out why, when most of my indigenous friends are far left. I have to assume that they may love the land, but they want the oil/gas money as much as anyone else. And they hate the southern invaders as much as they hate the white invaders.

Posted by: LizLem at January 10, 2025 11:55 AM (gWBY1)

284 For about $1500 or less, you can have a generator, a cord capable of charging it, a couple of gas cans, and enough gas to get you the charge to reach the nearest Supercharger. And now your in-laws have a generator for an emergency.

It's amazing that people can walk and breath.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at January 10, 2025 11:30 AM (i24o9)

That was my thought, as well. He could just rent the generator for less than that.

And the house doesn’t have an electric dryer or range? Where’s the breaker box located? Can’t just run a temporary circuit off a 40A breaker?

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at January 10, 2025 11:55 AM (FC8SQ)

285 houses in some areas devastated by the fires are literally right on top of each other. No yards.

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And cost $21M.

That's the trend now in homes even for the normies. It’s hard to find any new builds that have a decent sized yard. Much more profitable for developers to squeeze every last inch of land for builds, than provide yards.

I know I’m my area homes built prior to say 2005ish are at a premium. Because they generally have good sized yards as well as generous setbacks from the streets. That no longer exists as an option unless you buy land and custom build.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at January 10, 2025 11:55 AM (Wl+1U)

286 At Reuters: "Alec Baldwin sues prosecutors, sheriff's officials over 'Rust' case."

Cripes, what an asshole.

Posted by: Throw gp That Whammy at January 10, 2025 11:55 AM (mAq7n)

287 171 They know EVs aren’t sustainable but that’s not the point, killing the auto industry was.

Bingo.
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Same for the overpriced 100K gas powered trucks/ cars. They know full well that their customers cannot afford them... they want the collapse of the auto industry. I would like to see what they are giving the CEOs to accomplish this.

Posted by: Wardo at January 10, 2025 11:55 AM (Oal3t)

288 There was a great photo posted on X last night. Dozens and dozens of mostly Tesla EVs waiting their turn to charge up to get out of LA.

Make stupid choices, win stupid prizes.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2025 11:55 AM (LkLld)

289 Bravely soldiering on.

The View Hosts Take Shots at J.D. Vance as Glenn Close Discusses “Hillbilly Elegy”
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 10, 2025 11:53 AM (L/fGl)

She's still alive? Then she should play E. Jean Carroll in the movie version of "He Raped Me, So I'm Gonna Boil His Bunny."

Posted by: BurtTC at January 10, 2025 11:55 AM (lH8E4)

290 Slightly on topic. In a parking garage or lot, I always try to find a parking space that is furthest from an EV as practicable. I can't help who parks next to me later, but it improves the odds of avoiding a fire by a little bit.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 10, 2025 11:56 AM (fs1hN)

291 And they hate the southern invaders as much as they hate the white invaders.
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There is some evidence a number of the western Indians migrated north to be out of reach of certain Central Indian tribes.

Posted by: Pudinhead at January 10, 2025 11:57 AM (jFCkp)

292 Power is back on here, so small victory. Thanks to the map Martini Farmer linked, I can now track the fire progress near me. The Duty Watch app now has this info, too, as if this morning.

The fire is still a threat to burn above the city and if the winds return, blowing southwest, we could be in real trouble. That's not the case right now, so we'll just stay ready to move and keep an eye on things.

And thanks for for the we'll wishes. I had jumped out of Pixy's thread before you posted.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at January 10, 2025 11:57 AM (4DY5T)

293 For example Ds can argue that anything Trump now signs is null and void, because he is a felon, like executive orders or any law.
Posted by: runner at January 10, 2025 11:45 AM (g47mK)

They can argue that... but they'd be wrong.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 10, 2025 11:57 AM (ExV1e)

294 “The moral of the story is that … rural America might not be ready for EVs”

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Unexpectedly.

Posted by: ShainS -- Take Back and Rename the PanaMAGA Canal! at January 10, 2025 11:57 AM (EgLGT)

295 Let the shit truly hit the fan and we'll be back yo building the Willy's Jeep.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2025 11:53 AM (ys+zb)

Please let this happen.
You can get pretty close to a Willys Jeep with the Mahindra Roxor. Which is a slightly stretched CJ 2 with an off road 3 cylinder diesel engine.

Posted by: Reforger at January 10, 2025 11:57 AM (xcIvR)

296 “The moral of the story is that … ~~rural~~ America might not be ready for EVs”

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"FIFY" -- Wifey of ShainS

Posted by: ShainS -- Take Back and Rename the PanaMAGA Canal! at January 10, 2025 11:58 AM (EgLGT)

297 But, I'm still amazed Trump got 60% of the Native American vote. I'm still trying to figure out why, when most of my indigenous friends are far left. I have to assume that they may love the land, but they want the oil/gas money as much as anyone else. And they hate the southern invaders as much as they hate the white invaders.
Posted by: LizLem at January 10, 2025 11:55 AM (gWBY1)

Probably the cultural stuff. Too much trannie and other nonsense.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 10, 2025 11:58 AM (lH8E4)

298 Thanks fd for the we'll wishes. Stupid spellcheck.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at January 10, 2025 11:58 AM (4DY5T)

299 “flexible” and cost-efficient labor strategies.

Employees are just more toxic waste to dump.

Posted by: DaveA at January 10, 2025 11:59 AM (FhXTo)

300 Time for that to go out the window. Ain't no more Indian Nation they are part of the USA. Time for them to get with it. - But they do get to keep the casinos.

Prior to World War One, American Indian tribes were truly sovereign - most Indians weren't American citizens - they were citizens of the Sioux Nation or whatever (a few tribes were granted American citizenship by treaty). If you wanted to leave the rez, there was a process for becoming an American citizen.

Since they weren't citizens, Indians weren't subject to the WWI draft, but volunteered in large numbers anyway, so there was a move to give them citizenship after the war.

That lead to the current messed-up situation where tribes claim sovereignty selectively, depending on the issue.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 10, 2025 11:59 AM (uxCna)

301 The View Hosts Take Shots at J.D. Vance as Glenn Close Discusses “Hillbilly Elegy”
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

And that's why I don't give a single shit about California Burning.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2025 11:59 AM (ys+zb)

302 “The moral of the story is that … rural America might not be ready for EVs”

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Unexpectedly.
Posted by: ShainS -- Take Back and Rename the PanaMAGA Canal!
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I'm flabbergasted.

Posted by: wth at January 10, 2025 12:00 PM (v0R5T)

303 China invests huge in lithium mining and corners the market, but Trump kills EV boondoggle in huge US market leaving China holding the bag. Winning!!!!

Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 10, 2025 12:00 PM (fs1hN)

304 “The moral of the story is that … rural America might not be ready for EVs”

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Unexpectedly.
Posted by: ShainS -- Take Back and Rename the PanaMAGA Canal! at January 10, 2025 11:57 AM (EgLGT)

I've done enough driving to know there are plenty of people in this country who ride around with gas cans in the beds of their trucks, not for show.

I guess you can't carry charging stations around, when the next one is over 200 miles away.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 10, 2025 12:00 PM (lH8E4)

305 > New Postal EV is Running Waaay Behind Schedule; Trump May Kill It
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One of our mail carriers drives a 25 year old red Jeep Cherokee 4X4. That silly looking EV wouldn't last a week out here... rain, snow or shine.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 10, 2025 12:00 PM (Q4IgG)

306 Since they weren't citizens, Indians weren't subject to the WWI draft

The Sioux offered to form Sioux military units with Sioux officers to fight in WWI under US Army control.

The US Army considered recent history, and responded: "Nah, we're good."

Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 10, 2025 12:01 PM (uxCna)

307 In the past week I have spotted a Tesla truck and I have to say that is one weird lookin' sumbitch. I also saw one of the unicorn Ford Maverick trucks, second one I've seen in about a year, and I wouldn't mind owning one because I don't really need a truck.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 10, 2025 12:01 PM (gm9Sb)

308
My son works in a car auction business
Rental companies like Hertz and enterprise are offloading thousands of EV's
Business travellers dont want them and they cost more to maintain.
Posted by: McCool

Now wait a minute...EVs don't require any maintenance at all. Or so I've been told.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 10, 2025 12:01 PM (63Dwl)

309 >>> ‘I cannot imagine that California will allow that sort of density in any of those areas again’

Larry Elder, during his Quixotic attempt to beat out Newsome as governor, pushed as one of his top platforms that he would cut all red tape for housing and development in CA. Build, baby, build. He would also have cut out all the regulations preventing LA from building bigger and better.

And the opponent of the current LA mayor was a seasoned businessman who understood the LA economy and was on the side of small business.

CA gets what it votes for, I guess. But it's so sad they can't see beyond the D, as that just leads to universal suffering for everyone.

Posted by: LizLem at January 10, 2025 12:02 PM (gWBY1)

310 The Sioux offered to form Sioux military units with Sioux officers to fight in WWI under US Army control.

The US Army considered recent history, and responded: "Nah, we're good."
Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 10, 2025 12:01 PM (uxCna)

Heh. Probably a smart move.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 10, 2025 12:02 PM (lH8E4)

311 New Postal EV is Running Waaay Behind Schedule; Trump May Kill It

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Next you'll be telling me that the #InsaneWokieDeathCultists want to electrify our military vehicles and aircraft.

Wait, wut?

Posted by: ShainS -- Take Back and Rename the PanaMAGA Canal! at January 10, 2025 12:02 PM (EgLGT)

312 In the past week I have spotted a Tesla truck and I have to say that is one weird lookin' sumbitch. I also saw one of the unicorn Ford Maverick trucks, second one I've seen in about a year, and I wouldn't mind owning one because I don't really need a truck.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 10, 2025 12:01 PM (gm9Sb)
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The Cybertruck is the opposite of what I want.
The Maverick is much closer.

I want somebody to bring out something like an early 90s S-10 long-bed. A small truck with a real bed.

Or for the Japanese or Korean microtrucks to be street legal. One of those would be ideal for me. I don't need or want a big truck, I just want to be able to haul some stuff around locally when I need to.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 10, 2025 12:03 PM (HnUIn)

313 I'd pay to watch an all EV demolition derby. I hope my expectations of fiery crashes would be fulfilled.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 10, 2025 12:03 PM (Q4IgG)

314 In the past week I have spotted a Tesla truck and I have to say that is one weird lookin' sumbitch. I also saw one of the unicorn Ford Maverick trucks, second one I've seen in about a year, and I wouldn't mind owning one because I don't really need a truck.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 10, 2025 12:01 PM (gm9Sb)

When I was still in the market, I kept seeing how Toyota was going to re-introduce the Scout in the U.S. and was going to put the Maverick out of business.

I wouldn't buy anything from Ford, but that's just me. Obviously some people are married to them.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 10, 2025 12:04 PM (lH8E4)

315 Oh, it turns out Cybertruck guy just rewired the outlet and was able to charge using the 14-50 plug and wasn’t stranded for a week.

And he didn’t even have to do that, because with Teslas you can just dial down the max current draw.

So the whole story is basically attention-seeking virtue-signaling from a narcissist. I’m shocked—shocked!—to see such behavior from a Cybertruck owner.

Posted by: Disinterested FDA Director at January 10, 2025 12:04 PM (FC8SQ)

316 But it's so sad they can't see beyond the D
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It is not always perfect, as you say, in Paolo's world.

Posted by: The Paolo at January 10, 2025 12:04 PM (fs1hN)

317 Or for the Japanese or Korean microtrucks to be street legal. One of those would be ideal for me. I don't need or want a big truck, I just want to be able to haul some stuff around locally when I need to.

they are in a few states

https://tinyurl.com/32b6m39b

Posted by: brak at January 10, 2025 12:05 PM (jGJov)

318 The new Jeep Grand Wagoneers cost well into 6 figures

Who in their right mind is buying these? It’s a fucking Jeep. 😂

Stellantis execs musta been high as fuck when they came up with that idea.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at January 10, 2025 12:06 PM (Wl+1U)

319 Legit question...

What's going to happen to the LA Olympics in 2028? There's no way they can rebuild the city in time, unless Newsome and the mayor of LA cut all red tape. Which they won't do since I'm sure there's kickbacks in there somewhere.

I might also bring this up in a later LA fires thread if one pops up today. Because I don't know how you host it now, the way CA is.

Posted by: LizLem at January 10, 2025 12:06 PM (gWBY1)

320 I have seen one Cybertruck in real life.

The thing is *huge*. The pictures and video of them don't really do a good job of indicating the scale of the things. Just enormous.

But I can't see how its imposing size translates into useful capacity for hauling. Maybe it does. Never been in one or used one.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 10, 2025 12:06 PM (HnUIn)

321 Hey AOP, have you seen the Garage54 guys? I think you would like them.
Posted by: fd at January 10, 2025 11:42 AM (vFG9F)

No, will check them out.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 10, 2025 12:06 PM (8zz6B)

322 CA gets what it votes for, I guess. But it's so sad they can't see beyond the D, as that just leads to universal suffering for everyone.

Posted by: LizLem

Best the sane voters could do was replace the Soros DA with Hochman. Breath of fresh air at the dressers, saying their will be zero tolerance for crime connected to the fires.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at January 10, 2025 12:07 PM (4DY5T)

323 "The thing is *huge*. The pictures and video of them don't really do a good job of indicating the scale of the things. Just enormous."

Devil's Tower is like that.

Posted by: Throw gp That Whammy at January 10, 2025 12:07 PM (mAq7n)

324 they are in a few states

https://tinyurl.com/32b6m39b
Posted by: brak at January 10, 2025 12:05 PM (jGJov)
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Not new ones.

I don't particularly want the headaches of importing an old microtruck and then dealing with an old truck that has little parts availability...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 10, 2025 12:07 PM (HnUIn)

325 I wouldn't buy anything from Ford, but that's just me. Obviously some people are married to them.

Here at Ford, we believe love is love, and we support the right for autophiles to express their love for their vehicles through marriage.

Posted by: Ford at January 10, 2025 12:07 PM (jGJov)

326 I so enjoy these stories with the happy endings. Thanks Buck!

Posted by: DanMan at January 10, 2025 12:08 PM (8uzBS)

327 The new Jeep Grand Wagoneers cost well into 6 figures

Who in their right mind is buying these? It’s a fucking Jeep

DINK Karens.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2025 12:09 PM (ys+zb)

328 Doubt the Olympics will be affected. It’s not like the venues were in Malibu. LA is a monster sized city. The damage from the fires is relatively contained in a small area.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at January 10, 2025 12:09 PM (Wl+1U)

329 "No, will check them out.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon"

I just watched them make a car out of logs.

The transparent cylinder head video is fascinating.

Posted by: fd at January 10, 2025 12:09 PM (vFG9F)

330 I wouldn't buy anything from Ford, but that's just me. Obviously some people are married to them.

I'm the same way about Chevys.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2025 12:09 PM (ys+zb)

331 Noodus Trump-Merchan

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 10, 2025 12:10 PM (J2vNu)

332 nood

Posted by: Throw gp That Whammy at January 10, 2025 12:10 PM (mAq7n)

333 I don't particularly want the headaches of importing an old microtruck and then dealing with an old truck that has little parts availability...

true, though if 90s Japanese auto standards apply to them they ought to last a very long time

Posted by: brak at January 10, 2025 12:10 PM (jGJov)

334 Ewok's up.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 10, 2025 12:10 PM (Wnv9h)

335 Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 10, 2025 12:03 PM

My son has a Maverick truck, not EV. He likes it very much. His biggest issue is the shorter bed. Have to get creative to haul 4x8 sheets of plywood. Hubbymayhem wants a truck. I have custody of the old beater truck my dad owned but it's bad.

Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at January 10, 2025 12:10 PM (4XwPj)

336 >>>I cannot imagine that California will allow that sort of density in any of those areas again... and that assumes some people will be permitted to rebuild.

This is going to be a generational situation. Probably go on for at least 25 years with little resolution.
Posted by: Martini Farmer
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They'll be lucky to get reasonable payouts and that will be who knows when.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 10, 2025 12:11 PM (OVrCp)

337 I have seen one Cybertruck in real life.

The thing is *huge*. The pictures and video of them don't really do a good job of indicating the scale of the things. Just enormous.

But I can't see how its imposing size translates into useful capacity for hauling. Maybe it does. Never been in one or used one.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 10, 2025 12:06 PM (HnUIn)

There are a few of them around here. Not sure if I'm seeing the same 1 or 2, but I do see a few every week. Very cool looking from a sci-fi perspective. Some dude actually dropped a Hemi in one. That dude should get the galactic coolest dude on the planet award.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at January 10, 2025 12:11 PM (VwHCD)

338 312 There's a few micro trucks on the loose in this area. I guess it varies from state to state if they are street legal. Now, small pickups. I wish Elon would really piss off a lot of people and announce a new division of Tesla Motors, dedicated to only making a direct copy of Nissan or Toy early 70s pickups. Only option, auto or stick. Let the dealers or the owners have fun with add ons. Under $19K.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at January 10, 2025 12:11 PM (gm9Sb)

339 Bill Clinton looks like his entire body is animated by STDs, like a T-virus zombie.

Posted by: Grump928(C) notes at January 10, 2025 12:11 PM (aD39U)

340 I know there are a lot of non-progressives in CA, but I would bet that many of the CA people that flee the state after this settle into nice, stable states and then get busy promoting the same, d@mn policies and values that turned CA into a sh#tshow.
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Nah. This ain’t even over. Are the fires out? Conceivably the worst is yet to come.

Extinction level event for “progressives”.

Did You Know? Mayor Bass is a straight up Communist. Was slso on the short list for VP candidate. Really.

We are more likely to see these monsters hunted down, with a bounty on their heads. There is no way they can put their spin on this, and they can’t flush it down the memory hole. The more they try, the worse it will be for them. It is quite elegantly Biblical. The Lord does work in mysterious ways indeed

Posted by: Common Tater at January 10, 2025 12:11 PM (qQhFt)

341 CyberTrucks are all over the place here. I will say the ones who get custom wraps in various colors look kinda cool. The metallic ones, not so much.

But yeah they’re enormous. Even next to a full size Silverado or f150 they look big.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at January 10, 2025 12:11 PM (Wl+1U)

342 When Will Ford Resume Production of its Electric Pickup?

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Hopefully after NOLA gets its bollards installed and working.

Posted by: ShainS -- Take Back and Rename the PanaMAGA Canal! at January 10, 2025 12:11 PM (EgLGT)

343 RIP Anita Bryant
Posted by: Bulg at January 10, 2025 12:11 PM (81GuW)

She will be missed.

*lifts orange juice glass*

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 10, 2025 12:12 PM (aD39U)

344 But I can't see how its imposing size translates into useful capacity for hauling. Maybe it does. Never been in one or used one.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

It's hauling it's own batteries.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 10, 2025 12:13 PM (IG4Id)

345 >>>Hubbymayhem wants a truck. I have custody of the old beater truck my dad owned but it's bad.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench)
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Ford Ranger is almost as big as my '02 F150. Toyota deserves a long look.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 10, 2025 12:13 PM (OVrCp)

346 343 RIP Anita Bryant
Posted by: Bulg at January 10, 2025 12:11 PM (81GuW)

She will be missed.

*lifts orange juice glass*
Posted by: Grump928(C)
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RIP, Anita.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 10, 2025 12:14 PM (OVrCp)

347 I love my plugin hybrid. Even though I live out a bit (13 miles to the closest supermarket) grocery type runs are all electric. Overnight charging on 120V costs about $1.40, as opposed to about $2.50 worth of gas, yet I never worried about range on a multi-thousand mile vacation trip. N charging station in Ten Sleep? No sweat, the Conoco is open.

Posted by: buddhaha at January 10, 2025 12:14 PM (e16Yw)

348 RIP Anita Bryant
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Now there was someone who was way WAY ahead of the power curve. Decades ago. I remember the media went full court press against her. Early “cancel culture” exemplar, “deplatforming” etc.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 10, 2025 12:15 PM (qQhFt)

349 Let the shit truly hit the fan and we'll be back yo building the Willy's Jeep.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2025 11:53 AM (ys+zb)

You know, a million modernized Willys Jeeps would be a lot more useful to the Army than a quarter million HMMV's, and probably cost much less.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 10, 2025 12:15 PM (8zz6B)

350 I wish Elon would really piss off a lot of people and announce a new division of Tesla Motors, dedicated to only making a direct copy of Nissan or Toy early 70s pickups. Only option, auto or stick. Let the dealers or the owners have fun with add ons. Under $19K.
Posted by: bill in arkansas

Yep, same. Check out the Toyota utility truck: 2024 Toyota Hilux Champ
motor1.com/news/698055/toyota-13000-dollar-hilux-champ/

If we could import it, custom shops would explode across the country

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 10, 2025 12:15 PM (IG4Id)

351 CyberTrucks are all over the place here. I will say the ones who get custom wraps in various colors look kinda cool. The metallic ones, not so much.

But yeah they’re enormous. Even next to a full size Silverado or f150 they look big.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at January 10, 2025 12:11 PM (Wl+1U)

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We've got one around here I've seen a couple of times that has the classic old WWII (and previously in China) "Flying Tigers" Shark Teeth image wrap.

Although I find them repulsive in general, that one definitely turns my head ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Take Back and Rename the PanaMAGA Canal! at January 10, 2025 12:16 PM (EgLGT)

352 sigh, noood

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 10, 2025 12:17 PM (IG4Id)

353 I like the bullet proofness of them. Wonder about the ride. Smooth?

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 10, 2025 12:18 PM (OVrCp)

354 Ford is suspending EV sales and GM sold off its stake in an EV battery factory that was built with state taxes - yet subsidization goes on.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at January 10, 2025 12:21 PM (fxCK2)

355 Heh, only a particular demographic understands that one needs to clarify "truck" when mentioning a Ford Maverick.

Posted by: actually inside the beltway at January 10, 2025 12:53 PM (xA5g+)

356 I drive my Model S to my parents place in a rural area a few times a year. You can always go to an RV park if you're out of options and don't want to wait for the 110 outlet.

RV parks almost always have 14-50 outlets and you're good to go in a few hours. Not ideal, granted, but you're not going to be stranded.

Posted by: Meric at January 10, 2025 01:26 PM (fXC8d)

357 Rural so what, how about the tens ofmillions of apartment dwellers. No apt. landlord is going to install all those chargers, the electric co. isn’t going quintuple power to those buildings, the cords would be stolen, and neighbors would hijack your charger.

Posted by: Kenneth King Neil at January 10, 2025 01:32 PM (/g9JB)

358 More fake news from the New York Slimes and All the Sludge thats Fit to Print this is the very same rag that covered up for Stalin, Hitler Castro and the Viet Cong and is behind this 1619 Project

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at January 10, 2025 03:57 PM (wGqjj)

359 I don't know about you but I cannot wait until I can buy a tesla. I'm just saving up my pennies for a new auto.

Cannot wait.

Posted by: dude1394 at January 10, 2025 06:37 PM (JuJSY)

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