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Denied by NY Appellate Court, Trump Files Emergency Appeal to SCOTUS to Stop Merchan's Political Rush to Judgment
It won't work, but he has to file it:
Donald Trump's legal team has filed an emergency petition with the U.S. Supreme Court, challenging what it calls an "unjust" decision in a Manhattan criminal case. They argue that the case represents a "political weaponization" of the justice system. Key Details: Trump's legal team filed the emergency petition, targeting the Manhattan District Attorney's office over what they call "unlawful sentencing."Trump will get no relief because the Supreme Court and all other judges continue pushing the completely-fictitious and disproven idea that juries are free from political bias. They are too cowardly to confront the world as it actually is, and rule that in politically-charged cases, the defendant must be tried in a jurisdiction with a balanced political population. They continue to push the lie on us that leftwing Trump-deranged and anti-conservative juries will "put their politics aside" and rule on the facts. We will continue to be treated a second-class citizens until the cowards of the court confront this real and dangerous hyperpartisan bias.
The filing references the Supreme Court's previous decisions on immunity, constitutional protections, and established precedent to demand the case's dismissal.
Steven Cheung, a Trump spokesperson, stated the petition reflects the will of voters who elected Trump, denouncing ongoing investigations as "witch hunts." Diving Deeper: Former President Donald Trump's legal team filed an emergency petition with the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday, seeking to overturn recent decisions from New York courts related to a Manhattan District Attorney's case against him. The filing accuses New York prosecutors of pursuing a politically motivated agenda, characterizing the case as part of an ongoing "witch hunt" targeting Trump. "The Supreme Court's historic decision on immunity, the Constitution, and established legal precedent mandate that this meritless hoax be immediately dismissed," said Steven Cheung, a spokesperson for Trump, in a statement. The petition asks the Supreme Court to intervene and stop what it describes as "unlawful sentencing" against the former president. Trump's team argues the legal actions violate constitutional protections and represent the weaponization of the justice system against political opponents. Cheung's statement emphasized the broader political implications of the case, asserting that it undermines the trust of voters who elected Trump. "The American People elected President Trump with an overwhelming mandate that demands an immediate end to the political weaponization of our justice system," Cheung added.
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First!
Posted by: Dr. T at January 08, 2025 01:27 PM (jGGMD)
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Welcome to the Third World.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 01:28 PM (ik3nH)
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?
Posted by: RUReadingthis at January 08, 2025 01:28 PM (aQ25I)
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th
Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at January 08, 2025 01:28 PM (Rw0Zp)
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First?
Posted by: lin-duh of the garbage clan at January 08, 2025 01:28 PM (K2iv3)
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Hi, Ace. I nooded.
Posted by: Bulg at January 08, 2025 01:28 PM (77rzZ)
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And the giggling psychopaths will chant "Convicted Felon" the way they did "Selected Not Elected" for Bush.
Posted by: NR Pax at January 08, 2025 01:29 PM (lXoJ5)
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I should know better than to read the content after 16 years...
Posted by: lin-duh of the garbage clan at January 08, 2025 01:29 PM (K2iv3)
Posted by: Frank Barone at January 08, 2025 01:29 PM (+oR7L)
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>>>We will continue to be treated a second-class citizens until the cowards of the court confront this real and dangerous hyperpartisan bias.
Or, more accurately, are made to confront it.
Or, more accurately, are made to confront it.
Posted by: Dr. T at January 08, 2025 01:29 PM (jGGMD)
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Steven Cheung, a Trump spokesperson, stated the petition reflects the will of voters who elected Trump, denouncing ongoing investigations as "witch hunts."
Witch Hunts coming from the search for witches that didn't exist in Puritan MA but...I suspect if you hunted for actual Satan worshiping witches in modern MA you'd have no trouble finding them
Witch Hunts coming from the search for witches that didn't exist in Puritan MA but...I suspect if you hunted for actual Satan worshiping witches in modern MA you'd have no trouble finding them
Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2025 01:30 PM (t0Rmr)
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We have a bullshit-based society, from the culture to the workplace to the economy to the court system. It's all just bullshit.
Posted by: Did I mention it's bullshit? at January 08, 2025 01:30 PM (ybSPO)
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Yup, Supremes will, as usual, punt on First down.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 08, 2025 01:30 PM (QAkQ3)
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Willowed; Bears repeating.
No offense meant, but every disaster results in the same pissing match. A fight to get to the tippy-top of the High Road to Godly Lane.
I wonder if Dietrich Bonhoeffer would be told to feel bad about himself for celebrating bad things happening to Nazis on X.
At a certain point, the enemy who wants you dead or enslaved is just the enemy. Both cheeks have been slapped so many times it is pointless to keep turning them.
The Geneva Suggestions don't reside in the human mind.
Be mad at who you want. God knows whether or not you're an asshole. It isn't for the internets to decide.
California and the fuckwits there have done a lot of damage to some of us over many years. I'm pretty sure that if Boise was burning they would roast tofu on the flames while laughing.
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 01:27 PM (5n5kE)
No offense meant, but every disaster results in the same pissing match. A fight to get to the tippy-top of the High Road to Godly Lane.
I wonder if Dietrich Bonhoeffer would be told to feel bad about himself for celebrating bad things happening to Nazis on X.
At a certain point, the enemy who wants you dead or enslaved is just the enemy. Both cheeks have been slapped so many times it is pointless to keep turning them.
The Geneva Suggestions don't reside in the human mind.
Be mad at who you want. God knows whether or not you're an asshole. It isn't for the internets to decide.
California and the fuckwits there have done a lot of damage to some of us over many years. I'm pretty sure that if Boise was burning they would roast tofu on the flames while laughing.
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 01:27 PM (5n5kE)
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at January 08, 2025 01:30 PM (i24o9)
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SPONGE!!!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 08, 2025 01:31 PM (+QlJh)
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 01:31 PM (krQz2)
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We have a bullshit-based society, from the culture to the workplace to the economy to the court system. It's all just bullshit.
Posted by: Did I mention it's bullshit?
To be fair, there is some horseshit mixed in, too.
Posted by: Did I mention it's bullshit?
To be fair, there is some horseshit mixed in, too.
Posted by: Bulg at January 08, 2025 01:31 PM (77rzZ)
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*Witch hunts*
Is this about me?
Is this about me?
Posted by: The WIDE Latina at January 08, 2025 01:31 PM (DobEs)
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A court house is a fancy building where justice is dispensed with.
Posted by: It's All A Scam! at January 08, 2025 01:31 PM (G5+As)
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Trump will get no relief because the Supreme Court and all other judges continue pushing the completely-fictitious and disproven idea that juries are free from political bias. They are too cowardly to confront the world as it actually i
And the reason they can persist in this idea is the GOP doesn't push them on it. If dozens of Democrat office holders had been charged for various crimes in the weeks after NY went after Trump the courts would have ruled on this and ruled neither NY nor these red states can go after opposing politicians.
But letting Trump flap in the breeze lets the bullshit continue.
And seriously what more serious work does the "severely conservative" AG of Arkansas have to do then go after the Clintons anyway?
And the reason they can persist in this idea is the GOP doesn't push them on it. If dozens of Democrat office holders had been charged for various crimes in the weeks after NY went after Trump the courts would have ruled on this and ruled neither NY nor these red states can go after opposing politicians.
But letting Trump flap in the breeze lets the bullshit continue.
And seriously what more serious work does the "severely conservative" AG of Arkansas have to do then go after the Clintons anyway?
Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2025 01:32 PM (t0Rmr)
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>>>We will continue to be treated a second-class citizens until the cowards of the court confront this real and dangerous hyperpartisan bias.
Das jury box ist kaput?
Das jury box ist kaput?
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at January 08, 2025 01:32 PM (i24o9)
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There are no Trump or Obama judges either.
They are just as apolitical as the juries.
Ask Roberts
They are just as apolitical as the juries.
Ask Roberts
Posted by: Just Lily at January 08, 2025 01:32 PM (xwsuy)
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Trump's legal team has filed an emergency petition
Or, put another way:
"Oh, no, don't throw me in the briar patch!"
Or, put another way:
"Oh, no, don't throw me in the briar patch!"
Posted by: Br'er Rabbit at January 08, 2025 01:32 PM (wKqZM)
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Practically speaking, what difference does sentencing make?
Posted by: Frasier Crane at January 08, 2025 01:33 PM (bNf8H)
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Right wingers on juries probably do put aside politics and decide on the facts. It’s because we respect (sometimes stupidly) traditions, rule of law and so on.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at January 08, 2025 01:33 PM (BqIHC)
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What happens if Trump is sentenced to jail time? Does he serve the presidency from behind bars?
Posted by: zombie at January 08, 2025 01:33 PM (pMi6S)
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>>> Trump will get no relief because the Supreme Court and all other judges continue pushing the completely-fictitious and disproven idea that juries are free from political bias. They are too cowardly to confront the world as it actually is, and rule that in politically-charged cases, the defendant must be tried in a jurisdiction with a balanced political population.
I get what you're saying, I just don't know how that is supposed to work in practice though. "I'm a white Trump voter who was arrested in a black area, I should get a change of venue" would overload the judicial system in about 2 seconds.
And yes, it is a legal fiction that a case brought in SDNY will have a similar jury pool to a case brought in Middle District of PA (or whatever). But there doesn't seem to be a clear answer.
And more specifically, in the case at bar, Trump was convicted on State charges. How does the federal judiciary force New York State to allow people to change venue from New York County to, idk, Suffolk County or whatever because the defendant feels like the politics of New York County would work against him?
I get what you're saying, I just don't know how that is supposed to work in practice though. "I'm a white Trump voter who was arrested in a black area, I should get a change of venue" would overload the judicial system in about 2 seconds.
And yes, it is a legal fiction that a case brought in SDNY will have a similar jury pool to a case brought in Middle District of PA (or whatever). But there doesn't seem to be a clear answer.
And more specifically, in the case at bar, Trump was convicted on State charges. How does the federal judiciary force New York State to allow people to change venue from New York County to, idk, Suffolk County or whatever because the defendant feels like the politics of New York County would work against him?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 01:33 PM (uCjyK)
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Trump should lobby for expanding the court to 109 justices and then pack it with 100 29-year-old members of The Horde.
Posted by: ShainS -- Take Back and Rename the Panama America Canal! at January 08, 2025 01:33 PM (D+SMp)
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I think Trump has a very good chance on a regular appeal, but this emergency appeal to try to stop the sentencing is very iffy.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2025 01:33 PM (wyMQY)
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California and the fuckwits there have done a lot of damage to some of us over many years. I'm pretty sure that if Boise was burning they would roast tofu on the flames while laughing.
When I checked leftist sites they were laughing about the recent problems in the Carolinas and they had a similiar reaction to the flooding a couple of years ago in WV.
When I checked leftist sites they were laughing about the recent problems in the Carolinas and they had a similiar reaction to the flooding a couple of years ago in WV.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2025 01:33 PM (t0Rmr)
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Witch Hunts coming from the search for witches that didn't exist in Puritan MA but...I suspect if you hunted for actual Satan worshiping witches in modern MA you'd have no trouble finding them
Posted by: 18-1
They even congregate every October leading up to Halloween in Salem, Massachusetts.
Posted by: 18-1
They even congregate every October leading up to Halloween in Salem, Massachusetts.
Posted by: Hints From Heloise at January 08, 2025 01:33 PM (G5+As)
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Trump deserves it good and hard, as do Republicans.
Trump appointed 3, and Republicans voted for the Presidents who appointed 6 of these Supreme Court justices.
They get what is coming to them.
Trump appointed 3, and Republicans voted for the Presidents who appointed 6 of these Supreme Court justices.
They get what is coming to them.
Posted by: Vlad at January 08, 2025 01:34 PM (YdlQW)
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A win will be the SCOTUS merely delaying their ruling on the matter until 1-21-24 and staying the lower court until then.
That's all Trump needs.
At that point, Trump has the full privileges and immunities of the President.
The court can't sentence him then.
The game was given away by the appellate court that said the "president-elect" doesn't have immunity.
Which, of course, skated right past the point of the appeal was that the trial violated Trump's immunities from conduct WHILE President.
That's all Trump needs.
At that point, Trump has the full privileges and immunities of the President.
The court can't sentence him then.
The game was given away by the appellate court that said the "president-elect" doesn't have immunity.
Which, of course, skated right past the point of the appeal was that the trial violated Trump's immunities from conduct WHILE President.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 08, 2025 01:34 PM (F3YAM)
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And the giggling psychopaths will chant "Convicted Felon" the way they did "Selected Not Elected" for Bush.
Posted by: NR Pax at January 08, 2025 01:29 PM (lXoJ5)
Their gal couldnt beat a convicted felon. LMAO
Posted by: NR Pax at January 08, 2025 01:29 PM (lXoJ5)
Their gal couldnt beat a convicted felon. LMAO
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 01:34 PM (ik3nH)
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How does the federal judiciary force New York State to allow people to change venue from New York County to, idk, Suffolk County or whatever because the defendant feels like the politics of New York County would work against him?
How do federal courts get the authority to do half the shit they do? Remember when the courts ruled states couldn't enforce border regulations?
How do federal courts get the authority to do half the shit they do? Remember when the courts ruled states couldn't enforce border regulations?
Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2025 01:34 PM (t0Rmr)
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What happens if Trump is sentenced to jail time? Does he serve the presidency from behind bars?
Posted by: zombie at January 08, 2025 01:33 PM (pMi6S)
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#OrangeMandelaBad!
Posted by: zombie at January 08, 2025 01:33 PM (pMi6S)
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#OrangeMandelaBad!
Posted by: ShainS -- Take Back and Rename the Panama America Canal! at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (D+SMp)
Posted by: Diogenes at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (W/lyH)
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What happens if Trump is sentenced to jail time? Does he serve the presidency from behind bars?
Posted by: zombie at January 08, 2025 01:33 PM (pMi6S)
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He should just be able to avoid New York state, perhaps.
Posted by: zombie at January 08, 2025 01:33 PM (pMi6S)
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He should just be able to avoid New York state, perhaps.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (krQz2)
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Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2025 01:32 PM (t0Rmr)
I agree that fighting fire with fire here seems to be the best solution. Have some DA in Nowheresville, Oklahoma bring up Democrat politicians who have some nexus to the state on charges.
And ignore the media and their shrieks, just keep doing it until we can come to a truce of some sort I guess.
I agree that fighting fire with fire here seems to be the best solution. Have some DA in Nowheresville, Oklahoma bring up Democrat politicians who have some nexus to the state on charges.
And ignore the media and their shrieks, just keep doing it until we can come to a truce of some sort I guess.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (uCjyK)
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25 Right wingers on juries probably do put aside politics and decide on the facts. It’s because we respect (sometimes stupidly) traditions, rule of law and so on.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald
Right-winger/conservtive = Someone who loves and respects the Constitution and the structure of the United States
Left-winger/socialist = Someone who wants to tear up the Constitution and overthrow the United States.
So, yeah, right-wingers decide on the facts, left-winger decide based n their political biases -- by definition. A left-winger IS someone who hates facts.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald
Right-winger/conservtive = Someone who loves and respects the Constitution and the structure of the United States
Left-winger/socialist = Someone who wants to tear up the Constitution and overthrow the United States.
So, yeah, right-wingers decide on the facts, left-winger decide based n their political biases -- by definition. A left-winger IS someone who hates facts.
Posted by: zombie at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (pMi6S)
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Our entire legal system is chock full of the "reasonable person" standard. It's everywhere. But as the political mind virus continues to ravage vast swathes of the population, the "reasonable person" on average becomes extremely unreasonable. As Judges, DAs, and juries become more and more insane, the sane will be increasingly persecuted. This is how civilizations fall.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (Odg76)
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Is this the bullcrap 34 felonies hush money accounting entry trial, or some other bullcrap?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 08, 2025 01:36 PM (NB9gA)
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A crap charge
A crap trial
A crap DA
A crap judge
A crap jury
All in a crap state
Posted by: Diogenes at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (W/lyH)
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It has "progressed" to that point.
A crap trial
A crap DA
A crap judge
A crap jury
All in a crap state
Posted by: Diogenes at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (W/lyH)
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It has "progressed" to that point.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 01:36 PM (krQz2)
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To be fair, there is some horseshit mixed in, too.
Posted by: Bulg at January 08, 2025 01:31 PM (77rzZ)
There is it. Even the bullshit is bullshit!
Posted by: Bulg at January 08, 2025 01:31 PM (77rzZ)
There is it. Even the bullshit is bullshit!
Posted by: Though not as pure and unadulterated as advertised at January 08, 2025 01:36 PM (ybSPO)
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And the giggling psychopaths will chant "Convicted Felon" the way they did "Selected Not Elected" for Bush.
It is darkly amusing these same assholes decided to support selected not elected Kamala after the oligarchs that run the Democrats deemed her the winner of the D primary
It is darkly amusing these same assholes decided to support selected not elected Kamala after the oligarchs that run the Democrats deemed her the winner of the D primary
Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2025 01:36 PM (t0Rmr)
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I'm pretty sure that if Boise was burning they would roast tofu on the flames while laughing.
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Boise, like all American cities - very Democrat. If it did burn I’d shrug and move on with my day.
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Boise, like all American cities - very Democrat. If it did burn I’d shrug and move on with my day.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at January 08, 2025 01:36 PM (BqIHC)
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What happens if Trump is sentenced to jail time? Does he serve the presidency from behind bars?
Posted by: zombie at January 08, 2025 01:33 PM (pMi6S)
Yep. Right up until they turn the security cameras off.
Posted by: zombie at January 08, 2025 01:33 PM (pMi6S)
Yep. Right up until they turn the security cameras off.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 01:36 PM (ik3nH)
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Their gal couldnt beat a convicted felon. LMAO
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 01:34 PM (ik3nH)
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Trump Made Felons Cool Again!
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 01:34 PM (ik3nH)
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Trump Made Felons Cool Again!
Posted by: ShainS -- Take Back and Rename the Panama America Canal! at January 08, 2025 01:36 PM (D+SMp)
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The appellate system doesn't judge the facts of the case, except when they want to.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 08, 2025 01:37 PM (aD39U)
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Practically speaking, what difference does sentencing make?
They will have sentenced themselves to becoming (it will take some time) known as the party that convicted one of the largest figures in world history.
They will have sentenced themselves to becoming (it will take some time) known as the party that convicted one of the largest figures in world history.
Posted by: t-bird at January 08, 2025 01:37 PM (c/Z2E)
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26 What happens if Trump is sentenced to jail time? Does he serve the presidency from behind bars?
Posted by: zombie at January 08, 2025 01:33 PM (pMi6S)
Merchan has already said there will be no jail sentence. It's turned into a really stupid case, which might argue for the SCOTUS staying out of it for now. Trump is not a "convicted felon" until sentencing is complete, even if the sentence is nothing. So what's at stake is that Dem's want to say, at his inauguration, "nanny nanny boo boo, you're a convicted felon!!!" and Trump doesn't want them to be able to do that.
Ironically, if Merchan is allowed to do sentencing, it most likely makes future appeals easier.
Posted by: zombie at January 08, 2025 01:33 PM (pMi6S)
Merchan has already said there will be no jail sentence. It's turned into a really stupid case, which might argue for the SCOTUS staying out of it for now. Trump is not a "convicted felon" until sentencing is complete, even if the sentence is nothing. So what's at stake is that Dem's want to say, at his inauguration, "nanny nanny boo boo, you're a convicted felon!!!" and Trump doesn't want them to be able to do that.
Ironically, if Merchan is allowed to do sentencing, it most likely makes future appeals easier.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2025 01:37 PM (wyMQY)
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Good luck with the Supreme Court--one lunatic on their is a grown-ass adult who admitted in public that she doesn't know what a "woman" is.
/Don't want to hear one damn RINO quibble about Trump's nominees.
/Don't want to hear one damn RINO quibble about Trump's nominees.
Posted by: Crusader at January 08, 2025 01:37 PM (TN0g+)
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We will continue to be treated a second-class citizens until the cowards of the court confront this real and dangerous hyperpartisan bias.
Posted by: Ace at 01:27 PM
This sounds serious. That means there will be consequences, right?
Right?
Posted by: Ace at 01:27 PM
This sounds serious. That means there will be consequences, right?
Right?
Posted by: blaster at January 08, 2025 01:37 PM (xhfG9)
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Let them convict Trump.
Then we can all say that some of America's best friends are convicted felons.
This is marketing gold for Team Trump.
Let the Thurston Howell III Republicans clutch their fuckin pearls about it. I means nothing today.
Then we can all say that some of America's best friends are convicted felons.
This is marketing gold for Team Trump.
Let the Thurston Howell III Republicans clutch their fuckin pearls about it. I means nothing today.
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 01:38 PM (5n5kE)
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So, yeah, right-wingers decide on the facts, left-winger decide based n their political biases -- by definition. A left-winger IS someone who hates facts.
Posted by: zombie at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (pMi6S)
Much like the capitalist who will sell the rope with which he will be hanged. Sometimes we on the right are stupid in following the rules.
Posted by: zombie at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (pMi6S)
Much like the capitalist who will sell the rope with which he will be hanged. Sometimes we on the right are stupid in following the rules.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at January 08, 2025 01:38 PM (BqIHC)
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Felonious Trump.
Put it on T-shirts with his likeness, wearing Ray Bans and cig hanging from his mouth.
Totes ghetto... $15. Proceeds go to MAGA. Or whatever.
Put it on T-shirts with his likeness, wearing Ray Bans and cig hanging from his mouth.
Totes ghetto... $15. Proceeds go to MAGA. Or whatever.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 08, 2025 01:38 PM (Q4IgG)
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This whole charade is just that: a charade.
It won't make a difference with respect to anything in another 3 months, just like the two "impeachments".
It won't make a difference with respect to anything in another 3 months, just like the two "impeachments".
Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 08, 2025 01:38 PM (wtvvX)
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37 A crap charge
A crap trial
A crap DA
A crap judge
A crap jury
All in a crap state
Posted by: Diogenes at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (W/lyH)
... and like California, incredibly beautiful, just horribly managed.
A crap trial
A crap DA
A crap judge
A crap jury
All in a crap state
Posted by: Diogenes at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (W/lyH)
... and like California, incredibly beautiful, just horribly managed.
Posted by: browndog dragging his ass across the carpet at January 08, 2025 01:38 PM (TTAGa)
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Our entire legal system is chock full of the "reasonable person" standard. It's everywhere. But as the political mind virus continues to ravage vast swathes of the population, the "reasonable person" on average becomes extremely unreasonable. As Judges, DAs, and juries become more and more insane, the sane will be increasingly persecuted. This is how civilizations fall.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (Odg76)
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"A reasonable person would know--just KNOW--that Donald Trump was guilty of all kinds of crimes! They couldn't even SPEAK to somebody so deluded as to think that he wasn't! I mean that type of cultish behavior would make a reasonable person vomit."
Posted by: bonhomme at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (Odg76)
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"A reasonable person would know--just KNOW--that Donald Trump was guilty of all kinds of crimes! They couldn't even SPEAK to somebody so deluded as to think that he wasn't! I mean that type of cultish behavior would make a reasonable person vomit."
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 01:38 PM (krQz2)
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They will have sentenced themselves to becoming (it will take some time) known as the party that convicted one of the largest figures in world history.
Posted by: t-bird
Insert Pontius Pilate reference here.
Posted by: t-bird
Insert Pontius Pilate reference here.
Posted by: Brother Tim, Keeper of the Tim Continuum at January 08, 2025 01:39 PM (OUMaO)
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56 Felonious Trump.
Put it on T-shirts with his likeness, wearing Ray Bans and cig hanging from his mouth.
Totes ghetto... $15. Proceeds go to MAGA. Or whatever.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 08, 2025 01:38 PM (Q4IgG)
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I'm pretty sure that Trump made more money off of his jail photo than Democrats did.
Put it on T-shirts with his likeness, wearing Ray Bans and cig hanging from his mouth.
Totes ghetto... $15. Proceeds go to MAGA. Or whatever.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 08, 2025 01:38 PM (Q4IgG)
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I'm pretty sure that Trump made more money off of his jail photo than Democrats did.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 01:39 PM (GBKbO)
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Honestly right wing voters should damn well be considering politics when they sit in the jury box.
Remember the guy in KS that got 19 years for stealing a gay flag? I guarantee there were conservatives on that jury and they voted guilty knowing damn well it was an outrage.
Remember the guy in KS that got 19 years for stealing a gay flag? I guarantee there were conservatives on that jury and they voted guilty knowing damn well it was an outrage.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2025 01:39 PM (t0Rmr)
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 01:39 PM (5n5kE)
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Let them convict Trump.
Then we can all say that some of America's best friends are convicted felons.
This is marketing gold for Team Trump.
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 01:38 PM (5n5kE)
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And then release his hip-hop debut!
Then we can all say that some of America's best friends are convicted felons.
This is marketing gold for Team Trump.
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 01:38 PM (5n5kE)
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And then release his hip-hop debut!
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 01:39 PM (krQz2)
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And more specifically, in the case at bar, Trump was convicted on State charges. How does the federal judiciary force New York State to allow people to change venue from New York County to, idk, Suffolk County or whatever because the defendant feels like the politics of New York County would work against him?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 01:33 PM (uCjyK)
In Trumps case the states attorney running on getting Trump should at least cause a pause. I mean, elect me and I'll get him should be a clue that something might need to be looked at.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 01:33 PM (uCjyK)
In Trumps case the states attorney running on getting Trump should at least cause a pause. I mean, elect me and I'll get him should be a clue that something might need to be looked at.
Posted by: Inogame at January 08, 2025 01:39 PM (53oGX)
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Is this the bullcrap 34 felonies hush money accounting entry trial, or some other bullcrap?
Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 08, 2025 01:36 PM (NB9gA)
Aggravated Coiffure.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at January 08, 2025 01:36 PM (NB9gA)
Aggravated Coiffure.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 08, 2025 01:39 PM (aD39U)
67
A court house is a fancy building where justice is dispensed with.
Posted by: It's All A Scam! at January 08, 2025 01:31 PM (G5+As)
That sounds like something from Ambrose Bierce's Devil's Dictionary
Posted by: It's All A Scam! at January 08, 2025 01:31 PM (G5+As)
That sounds like something from Ambrose Bierce's Devil's Dictionary
Posted by: Good book. Snarky. at January 08, 2025 01:39 PM (ybSPO)
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So what's at stake is that Dem's want to say, at his inauguration, "nanny nanny boo boo, you're a convicted felon!!!"
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An exceedingly hollow victory when you think about it.
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An exceedingly hollow victory when you think about it.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 01:40 PM (ik3nH)
69
They will have sentenced themselves to becoming (it will take some time) known as the party that convicted one of the largest figures in world history.
Posted by: t-bird
Insert Pontius Pilate reference here.
Posted by: Brother Tim
Except Pilate was rational, and seemed to have some sympathy for Jesus.
Posted by: t-bird
Insert Pontius Pilate reference here.
Posted by: Brother Tim
Except Pilate was rational, and seemed to have some sympathy for Jesus.
Posted by: Bulg at January 08, 2025 01:40 PM (77rzZ)
70
Want to know what other President was a convicted felon? First President of South Africa, Nelson Mandela, that's who.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2025 01:40 PM (wyMQY)
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Trump is not a "convicted felon" until sentencing is complete
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I’m Not a lawyer and I didn’t even sleep at a Holiday Inn. However I believe one is a convicted felon as soon as a judge or jury finds them guilty of a felony. Sentencing doesn’t determine the status.
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I’m Not a lawyer and I didn’t even sleep at a Holiday Inn. However I believe one is a convicted felon as soon as a judge or jury finds them guilty of a felony. Sentencing doesn’t determine the status.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at January 08, 2025 01:40 PM (BqIHC)
72
This sounds serious. That means there will be consequences, right?
Right?
Posted by: blaster
Anyone who tries to impose anyone will be deserted and punished by everyone.
And they wonder why I'm angry all the time.
Right?
Posted by: blaster
Anyone who tries to impose anyone will be deserted and punished by everyone.
And they wonder why I'm angry all the time.
Posted by: Brother Tim, Keeper of the Tim Continuum at January 08, 2025 01:40 PM (OUMaO)
73
Btw, I like Trumps new do. Less combover, more high and tight.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 08, 2025 01:40 PM (aD39U)
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It's just a stay on sentencing. Should be easy. The bad news it'll go to Sotomayor.
Posted by: runner at January 08, 2025 01:41 PM (g47mK)
75
We will continue to be treated a second-class citizens until the cowards of the court confront this real and dangerous hyperpartisan bias.
Indeed. Like a black man couldn't get a fair trial in the deep South back in the day, a conservative (especially a Trump-supporting one) can't get a fair trial in a Blue enclave. Laws and Rules mean nothing to activist judges and DAs...
Indeed. Like a black man couldn't get a fair trial in the deep South back in the day, a conservative (especially a Trump-supporting one) can't get a fair trial in a Blue enclave. Laws and Rules mean nothing to activist judges and DAs...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 01:41 PM (ynpvh)
76
The 911 hijackers did not fly aircraft into the Supreme Court Building so the Justices figure they must be doing something right.
Posted by: torabora at January 08, 2025 01:41 PM (0Gnoc)
77
They will have sentenced themselves to becoming (it will take some time) known as the party that convicted one of the largest figures in world history.
Posted by: t-bird at January 08, 2025 01:37 PM (c/Z2E)
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The President that gave us Greenland.
Posted by: t-bird at January 08, 2025 01:37 PM (c/Z2E)
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The President that gave us Greenland.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 01:41 PM (krQz2)
78
A reasonable person would know--just KNOW--that Donald Trump was guilty of all kinds of crimes!
Asking leftists what crimes Trump committed is always hilarious.
Instead of "paying blackmail" and "disagreeing with the state of NY on the value of a property"...which is what he was charged with...you'll get something about colluding with Russia to steal an election and raping that loon Carroll.
Asking leftists what crimes Trump committed is always hilarious.
Instead of "paying blackmail" and "disagreeing with the state of NY on the value of a property"...which is what he was charged with...you'll get something about colluding with Russia to steal an election and raping that loon Carroll.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2025 01:41 PM (t0Rmr)
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The largest jury ever convened in history rendered their verdict on November 5, 2024.
Judge Merchan "The Lawless" wants to over-turn that verdict.
Judge Merchan "The Lawless" wants to over-turn that verdict.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 08, 2025 01:41 PM (F3YAM)
80
Remember how Mike Davis said some things about Merhan and everyone was like he shouldn't have said that Trump was about to win in the Court of Appeals.
Maybe they were right. Or maybe NY Court of Appeals was always going to rule this way.
No matter.
There need to be consequences. Otherwise this will just keep happening.
Maybe they were right. Or maybe NY Court of Appeals was always going to rule this way.
No matter.
There need to be consequences. Otherwise this will just keep happening.
Posted by: blaster at January 08, 2025 01:41 PM (xhfG9)
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 01:41 PM (5n5kE)
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How do federal courts get the authority to do half the shit they do? Remember when the courts ruled states couldn't enforce border regulations?
Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2025 01:34 PM (t0Rmr)
Yes, that ruling re-iterates that federal law is supreme and adds that states don't get to enforce federal law if the feds choose not to. Which is probably the right answer based on precedence. The courts saying "sorry state of Arizona, federal government sets immigration policies, not you. We don't get to have 50 different immigration policies here." (to pre-empt the obvious response: sanctuary cities / states operate on the idea that the feds cannot forcibly deputize state officials to make them work with the feds in prosecuting illegals. The caselaw on that actually goes back to the Brady bill, where the feds tried to force local cops to do background checks for gun purchases).
As far as a federal court telling the state courts what their rules and procedures have to be? Super complicated case law, but basically the feds stay hands off (with some exceptions, like Miranda v. Arizona and some civil rights issues)
Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2025 01:34 PM (t0Rmr)
Yes, that ruling re-iterates that federal law is supreme and adds that states don't get to enforce federal law if the feds choose not to. Which is probably the right answer based on precedence. The courts saying "sorry state of Arizona, federal government sets immigration policies, not you. We don't get to have 50 different immigration policies here." (to pre-empt the obvious response: sanctuary cities / states operate on the idea that the feds cannot forcibly deputize state officials to make them work with the feds in prosecuting illegals. The caselaw on that actually goes back to the Brady bill, where the feds tried to force local cops to do background checks for gun purchases).
As far as a federal court telling the state courts what their rules and procedures have to be? Super complicated case law, but basically the feds stay hands off (with some exceptions, like Miranda v. Arizona and some civil rights issues)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 01:41 PM (uCjyK)
Posted by: Emmie at January 08, 2025 01:41 PM (Sf2cq)
84
Basically this "felon" business is giving progressives a pillow to bite on.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 01:42 PM (ik3nH)
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The huge flaw in the trial that Merchan ran is that he was supposed to hold a hearing about "evidence" that should have been excluded because the actions were protected by presidential immunity, but instead he just handwaved all of those concerns away and said "no big deal."
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2025 01:42 PM (wyMQY)
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I’m Not a lawyer and I didn’t even sleep at a Holiday Inn. However I believe one is a convicted felon as soon as a judge or jury finds them guilty of a felony. Sentencing doesn’t determine the status.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at January 08, 2025 01:40 PM (BqIHC)
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That's exactly how I didn't hear it.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at January 08, 2025 01:40 PM (BqIHC)
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That's exactly how I didn't hear it.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 01:42 PM (krQz2)
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41 Our entire legal system is chock full of the "reasonable person" standard. It's everywhere. But as the political mind virus continues to ravage vast swathes of the population, the "reasonable person" on average becomes extremely unreasonable. As Judges, DAs, and juries become more and more insane, the sane will be increasingly persecuted. This is how civilizations fall.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (Odg76)
Funny enough, this is partly why federal prosecutions started...the tyranny of one side to the detriment of another...of course, then federal ones eventually got corrupted by the same local and state factors...
Posted by: bonhomme at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (Odg76)
Funny enough, this is partly why federal prosecutions started...the tyranny of one side to the detriment of another...of course, then federal ones eventually got corrupted by the same local and state factors...
Posted by: Nova Local at January 08, 2025 01:42 PM (exHjb)
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I think SCOTUS could hear this even if they think the jury was perfect… because Merchan stomped all over their presidential immunity rules of evidence from a decision they just recently issued….
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 08, 2025 01:42 PM (WnEm5)
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Except Pilate was rational, and seemed to have some sympathy for Jesus.
His job as Roman governor was to keep the peace in the province and collect the taxes.
He was faced with a local elite that really, really wanted to kill Jesus and made a very Roman decision.
His job as Roman governor was to keep the peace in the province and collect the taxes.
He was faced with a local elite that really, really wanted to kill Jesus and made a very Roman decision.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2025 01:42 PM (t0Rmr)
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BTW, The Wide Latina is the Justice assigned to the 2nd Circuit.
But, if you recall, Thomas recently showed there is a loophole in the Circuit assignment when he granted an appeal.
But, if you recall, Thomas recently showed there is a loophole in the Circuit assignment when he granted an appeal.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 08, 2025 01:43 PM (F3YAM)
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Except Pilate was rational, and seemed to have some sympathy for Jesus.
Posted by: Bulg
...and actually wanted nothing to do with it and booted it back down to a lower court to deal with, because he realized it was all garbage. Interesting that he's the only name I could think of in a similar vein--one who knew better and literally washed his hands of it.
Posted by: Bulg
...and actually wanted nothing to do with it and booted it back down to a lower court to deal with, because he realized it was all garbage. Interesting that he's the only name I could think of in a similar vein--one who knew better and literally washed his hands of it.
Posted by: Brother Tim, Keeper of the Tim Continuum at January 08, 2025 01:43 PM (OUMaO)
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What happens if Trump is sentenced to jail time? Does he serve the presidency from behind bars?
If he's the president, who's behind bars?
If he's the president, who's behind bars?
Posted by: t-bird at January 08, 2025 01:43 PM (lCA8w)
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I still think that Juan Merchant and Gustavo Petro are in cahoots.
Posted by: runner at January 08, 2025 01:43 PM (g47mK)
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I want to open a gym called Pontius Pilates
I apologize and denounce mydamnself.
Posted by: sifty boones
That was actually a plot point on the Canadian sitcom "Corner Gas." The chick who owned the diner in town put up signs for Pilates classes, and everyone kept asking her, "Wasn't that the guy who killed Jesus?"
I apologize and denounce mydamnself.
Posted by: sifty boones
That was actually a plot point on the Canadian sitcom "Corner Gas." The chick who owned the diner in town put up signs for Pilates classes, and everyone kept asking her, "Wasn't that the guy who killed Jesus?"
Posted by: Bulg at January 08, 2025 01:43 PM (77rzZ)
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79 The largest jury ever convened in history rendered their verdict on November 5, 2024.
Judge Merchan "The Lawless" wants to over-turn that verdict.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 08, 2025 01:41 PM (F3YAM)
Lawless deep-state-run agencies. Lawless courts. Juries can reign in some of it, but it doesn't help when there's a bench trial, does it?
See Re: Engoron.
Judge Merchan "The Lawless" wants to over-turn that verdict.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 08, 2025 01:41 PM (F3YAM)
Lawless deep-state-run agencies. Lawless courts. Juries can reign in some of it, but it doesn't help when there's a bench trial, does it?
See Re: Engoron.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 01:44 PM (ynpvh)
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I’m Not a lawyer and I didn’t even sleep at a Holiday Inn. However I believe one is a convicted felon as soon as a judge or jury finds them guilty of a felony. Sentencing doesn’t determine the status.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at January 08, 2025 01:40 PM (BqIHC)
Sorry but the law holds differently. Conviction is not enterred into any legal records until the sentencing is complete; until then it is just a trial awaiting conclusion.
I’m Not a lawyer and I didn’t even sleep at a Holiday Inn. However I believe one is a convicted felon as soon as a judge or jury finds them guilty of a felony. Sentencing doesn’t determine the status.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at January 08, 2025 01:40 PM (BqIHC)
Sorry but the law holds differently. Conviction is not enterred into any legal records until the sentencing is complete; until then it is just a trial awaiting conclusion.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2025 01:44 PM (wyMQY)
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Remember, there is photographic evidence that Hunter Biden banged underaged girls, and yet Trump was held liable for assaulting some woman, in some month, on some day, in some year in the 90s in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 08, 2025 01:44 PM (XEXIN)
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rein, not reign. I've rained on my parade.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 01:44 PM (ynpvh)
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E Jean Carroll is a legal system Bunny Boiler.
Posted by: torabora at January 08, 2025 01:44 PM (0Gnoc)
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41 Our entire legal system is chock full of the "reasonable person" standard. It's everywhere. But as the political mind virus continues to ravage vast swathes of the population, the "reasonable person" on average becomes extremely unreasonable. As Judges, DAs, and juries become more and more insane, the sane will be increasingly persecuted. This is how civilizations fall.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (Odg76)
I agree, it is a huge problem.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (Odg76)
I agree, it is a huge problem.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (uCjyK)
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I want to open a gym called Pontius Pilates
I apologize and denounce mydamnself.
Posted by: sifty boones
Original Crossfit.
I apologize and denounce mydamnself.
Posted by: sifty boones
Original Crossfit.
Posted by: Brother Tim, Keeper of the Tim Continuum at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (OUMaO)
102
The fires are Trump's fault.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with festive little caps and interpretive dance. at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (FVO67)
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International cabal of ne'er-do-wells and commies are trying to undermine Trump administration.
Posted by: runner at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (g47mK)
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Wasn’t this a bench trial? Or was that the other one? I can’t keep all the left’s gay ass lawfare straight.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (D6YSl)
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His job as Roman governor was to keep the peace in the province and collect the taxes.
He was faced with a local elite that really, really wanted to kill Jesus and made a very Roman decision.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2025 01:42 PM (t0Rmr)
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And he was on his second chance with Rome, having been the governor of a region that went into rebellion.
He was faced with a local elite that really, really wanted to kill Jesus and made a very Roman decision.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2025 01:42 PM (t0Rmr)
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And he was on his second chance with Rome, having been the governor of a region that went into rebellion.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (krQz2)
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I’m Not a lawyer and I didn’t even sleep at a Holiday Inn. However I believe one is a convicted felon as soon as a judge or jury finds them guilty of a felony. Sentencing doesn’t determine the status.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at January 08, 2025 01:40 PM (BqIHC)
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That's exactly how I didn't hear it.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 01:42 PM (krQz2)
The judge can reject a guilty verdict so I guess you are not adjudged guilty until he accepts it.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at January 08, 2025 01:40 PM (BqIHC)
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That's exactly how I didn't hear it.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 01:42 PM (krQz2)
The judge can reject a guilty verdict so I guess you are not adjudged guilty until he accepts it.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (aD39U)
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Sorry but the law holds differently. Conviction is not enterred into any legal records until the sentencing is complete; until then it is just a trial awaiting conclusion.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2025 01:44 PM (wyMQY)
Interesting. You learn shit every day.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 08, 2025 01:44 PM (wyMQY)
Interesting. You learn shit every day.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (BqIHC)
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Afternoon Ace. Doubt this appeal will fly. Judges don't like to make other judges look like idiots even if they are idiots. Trp will temporarily be a convicted felon until such time as the whole case is reversed.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (c+GDc)
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This will continue until there are criminal prosecutions for conspiracy to deprive civil rights.
Apropos, been reading Snowden's autobiography.
While the NSA mass collection of US citizen data was ruled "illegal" by at least two federal courts, and this has been known for several years, guess how many at NSA or have been prosecuted for that illegality?
Pull my finger and I'll tell you the answer.
Apropos, been reading Snowden's autobiography.
While the NSA mass collection of US citizen data was ruled "illegal" by at least two federal courts, and this has been known for several years, guess how many at NSA or have been prosecuted for that illegality?
Pull my finger and I'll tell you the answer.
Posted by: Zek at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (5FPX4)
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I want to open a gym called Pontius Pilates
I apologize and denounce mydamnself.
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 01:41 PM (5n5kE)
Take up your kettlebells and follow me!
I want to open a gym called Pontius Pilates
I apologize and denounce mydamnself.
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 01:41 PM (5n5kE)
Take up your kettlebells and follow me!
Posted by: But wash your hands first at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (ybSPO)
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Instead of "paying blackmail" and "disagreeing with the state of NY on the value of a property"...which is what he was charged with...you'll get something about colluding with Russia to steal an election and raping that loon Carroll.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2025 01:41 PM (t0Rmr)
Ackshually - what he was charged with was 34 counts of false record keeping. Which is normally a misdemeanor, but if it is done in support of a felony, its a felony.
New York did not charge a felony, however. The filings did suggest that maybe that felony was related to campaign finance laws, though. Not New York ones, but Federal laws. Which of course New York could not bring that charge. And the Feds did not, either.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2025 01:41 PM (t0Rmr)
Ackshually - what he was charged with was 34 counts of false record keeping. Which is normally a misdemeanor, but if it is done in support of a felony, its a felony.
New York did not charge a felony, however. The filings did suggest that maybe that felony was related to campaign finance laws, though. Not New York ones, but Federal laws. Which of course New York could not bring that charge. And the Feds did not, either.
Posted by: blaster at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (xhfG9)
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97 Remember, there is photographic evidence that Hunter Biden banged underaged girls, and yet Trump was held liable for assaulting some woman, in some month, on some day, in some year in the 90s in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room.
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The chicks at Bergdorf are begging for the peg. Everyone knows that.
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The chicks at Bergdorf are begging for the peg. Everyone knows that.
Posted by: pudinhead at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (jFCkp)
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Cowardice? Hardly. Judges are among the very worst of our criminal ruling class, and they love the system as it is, and they helped rig it all up that way. They ain't about to change it to balance against their own class's interests.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (BI5O2)
Posted by: t-bird at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (lCA8w)
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101 I want to open a gym called Pontius Pilates
I apologize and denounce mydamnself.
Posted by: sifty boones
Original Crossfit.
Posted by: Brother Tim, Keeper of the Tim Continuum at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (OUMaO)
*Golf Clap*
I apologize and denounce mydamnself.
Posted by: sifty boones
Original Crossfit.
Posted by: Brother Tim, Keeper of the Tim Continuum at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (OUMaO)
*Golf Clap*
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at January 08, 2025 01:46 PM (LxER7)
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Original Crossfit.
Posted by: Brother Tim, Keeper of the Tim Continuum at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (OUMaO)
Ouch.
Posted by: Brother Tim, Keeper of the Tim Continuum at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (OUMaO)
Ouch.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 08, 2025 01:46 PM (aD39U)
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Remember, there is photographic evidence that Hunter Biden banged underaged girls, and yet Trump was held liable for assaulting some woman, in some month, on some day, in some year in the 90s in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room.
Which Carroll forgot about until the Democrats needed to accuse Trump of something. And remember Trump was one of the biggest celebrities in America from before whenever exactly Carroll is claiming he assaulted her until that point...
Which Carroll forgot about until the Democrats needed to accuse Trump of something. And remember Trump was one of the biggest celebrities in America from before whenever exactly Carroll is claiming he assaulted her until that point...
Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2025 01:46 PM (t0Rmr)
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Remember, there is photographic evidence that Hunter Biden banged underaged girls, and yet Trump was held liable for assaulting some woman, in some month, on some day, in some year in the 90s in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 08, 2025 01:44 PM (XEXIN)
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same plot as some cop TV series show
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 08, 2025 01:44 PM (XEXIN)
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same plot as some cop TV series show
Posted by: torabora at January 08, 2025 01:46 PM (0Gnoc)
119
Going after Trump while the real colluders and traitors are lauded and given Medals...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 01:46 PM (ynpvh)
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I want to open a gym called Pontius Pilates
Posted by: sifty boones
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Conscious pilates would be novel for me....
Posted by: sifty boones
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Conscious pilates would be novel for me....
Posted by: Cthillary at January 08, 2025 01:46 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with festive little caps and interpretive dance. at January 08, 2025 01:47 PM (FVO67)
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Afternoon Ace. Doubt this appeal will fly. Judges don't like to make other judges look like idiots even if they are idiots. Trp will temporarily be a convicted felon until such time as the whole case is reversed.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (c+GDc)
Pray tell… what court will reverse this travesty?
Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (c+GDc)
Pray tell… what court will reverse this travesty?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 08, 2025 01:47 PM (WnEm5)
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118 Remember, there is photographic evidence that Hunter Biden banged underaged girls, and yet Trump was held liable for assaulting some woman, in some month, on some day, in some year in the 90s in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 08, 2025 01:44 PM (XEXIN)
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same plot as some cop TV series show
Posted by: torabora at January 08, 2025 01:46 PM (0Gnoc)
Fiction just the same. And saying he didn't rape her allowed Trump to be sued for defamation...successfully...twice...
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 08, 2025 01:44 PM (XEXIN)
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same plot as some cop TV series show
Posted by: torabora at January 08, 2025 01:46 PM (0Gnoc)
Fiction just the same. And saying he didn't rape her allowed Trump to be sued for defamation...successfully...twice...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 01:47 PM (ynpvh)
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photographic evidence that Hunter Biden banged underaged girls,
And unless Hunter turned off geolocation, which is on by default, the feds can directly identify where he committed the crime.
And unless Hunter turned off geolocation, which is on by default, the feds can directly identify where he committed the crime.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2025 01:47 PM (t0Rmr)
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Welcome to the Third World.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 01:28 PM (ik3nH)
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Put Third World people in charge and get ... Third World governance.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 01:28 PM (ik3nH)
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Put Third World people in charge and get ... Third World governance.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 01:47 PM (YqDXo)
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How does the federal judiciary force New York State to allow people to change venue from New York County to, idk, Suffolk County or whatever because the defendant feels like the politics of New York County would work against him?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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By embracing the court's equity function which it uses for groups or corporations but always fails to use for individuals facing injustice. Equity jurisdiction was actually based on the opposite as harsh and stupid laws in England were often recognized as having consequences on blameless individuals.
I would actually favor bifurcating the US legal system (as some states still have) with a separate equity and common law court systems. Bad facts often cause harm to the whole system by bullying jurisdictions dispensing injustice to individuals. Mandating covid vaccines is a classic example despite natural immunity for some or pre existing health issues.
Equity relaxes the harshness for blameless individuals that often happens when you have vindictive prosecutors, judges, and juries in a case or some unintended injustice from an application of a law. Instead, equity in this country has focused on harm to groups.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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By embracing the court's equity function which it uses for groups or corporations but always fails to use for individuals facing injustice. Equity jurisdiction was actually based on the opposite as harsh and stupid laws in England were often recognized as having consequences on blameless individuals.
I would actually favor bifurcating the US legal system (as some states still have) with a separate equity and common law court systems. Bad facts often cause harm to the whole system by bullying jurisdictions dispensing injustice to individuals. Mandating covid vaccines is a classic example despite natural immunity for some or pre existing health issues.
Equity relaxes the harshness for blameless individuals that often happens when you have vindictive prosecutors, judges, and juries in a case or some unintended injustice from an application of a law. Instead, equity in this country has focused on harm to groups.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 01:47 PM (ctrM5)
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00 41 Our entire legal system is chock full of the "reasonable person" standard. It's everywhere. But as the political mind virus continues to ravage vast swathes of the population, the "reasonable person" on average becomes extremely unreasonable. As Judges, DAs, and juries become more and more insane, the sane will be increasingly persecuted. This is how civilizations fall.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (Odg76)
No reasonable person would hold opinions contrary to those of the politburo, tovarisch!
Posted by: bonhomme at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (Odg76)
No reasonable person would hold opinions contrary to those of the politburo, tovarisch!
Posted by: Show me the man, I show you the crime at January 08, 2025 01:47 PM (ybSPO)
128
Going after Trump while the real colluders and traitors are lauded and given Medals...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 01:46 PM (ynpvh)
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We don't know what the Blob is doing, but we know that Trump seems to be a hindrance to what it wants to do next.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 01:46 PM (ynpvh)
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We don't know what the Blob is doing, but we know that Trump seems to be a hindrance to what it wants to do next.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 01:47 PM (krQz2)
129
The fact that almost no one in the country knows who E Jean Carroll is tells you kind of all you need to know about the "case". Democrats make their victims superstars and vice versa. Although to be fair they did turn her story into a Law & Order episode.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 01:48 PM (ik3nH)
Posted by: Frank Barone at January 08, 2025 01:48 PM (+oR7L)
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with festive little caps and interpretive dance. at January 08, 2025 01:48 PM (FVO67)
132
104 Wasn’t this a bench trial? Or was that the other one? I can’t keep all the left’s gay ass lawfare straight.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (D6YSl)
This was a jury trial in New York County (the borough of Manhattan). Which is an overwhelmingly blue county.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (D6YSl)
This was a jury trial in New York County (the borough of Manhattan). Which is an overwhelmingly blue county.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 01:48 PM (uCjyK)
133
Hey Democrats keep doing more of the same!
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 01:49 PM (ik3nH)
134
What happens if Trump is sentenced to prison? Will NY request that he be extradicted from FL?
Will NY somehow prevent him from being Sworn in on Jan 20?
Will NY somehow prevent him from being Sworn in on Jan 20?
Posted by: no one of any consequence at January 08, 2025 01:49 PM (ZmEVT)
135
When Trump goes up on Mt. Rushmore, the original Scalp Weasel will do fine.
Posted by: torabora at January 08, 2025 01:49 PM (0Gnoc)
136
122 Afternoon Ace. Doubt this appeal will fly. Judges don't like to make other judges look like idiots even if they are idiots. Trp will temporarily be a convicted felon until such time as the whole case is reversed.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (c+GDc)
Pray tell… what court will reverse this travesty?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 08, 2025 01:47 PM (WnEm5)
If it all goes to shit, a hangman's court, with torches and pitchforks, as the deep-staters and DAs and judges involved learn gallows humor for themselves...
One can imagine, in a mostly-peaceful way...
Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (c+GDc)
Pray tell… what court will reverse this travesty?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 08, 2025 01:47 PM (WnEm5)
If it all goes to shit, a hangman's court, with torches and pitchforks, as the deep-staters and DAs and judges involved learn gallows humor for themselves...
One can imagine, in a mostly-peaceful way...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 01:49 PM (ynpvh)
137
Our entire legal system is chock full of the "reasonable person" standard. It's everywhere. But as the political mind virus continues to ravage vast swathes of the population, the "reasonable person" on average becomes extremely unreasonable. As Judges, DAs, and juries become more and more insane, the sane will be increasingly persecuted. This is how civilizations fall.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (Odg76)
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It was funny when feminists argued that the "Reasonable Man" standard was biased against women and thought there should be a separate "Reasonable Woman" standard for women.
All for "equality under law", mind you.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (Odg76)
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It was funny when feminists argued that the "Reasonable Man" standard was biased against women and thought there should be a separate "Reasonable Woman" standard for women.
All for "equality under law", mind you.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 01:49 PM (krQz2)
138
122 Afternoon Ace. Doubt this appeal will fly. Judges don't like to make other judges look like idiots even if they are idiots. Trp will temporarily be a convicted felon until such time as the whole case is reversed.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (c+GDc)
Pray tell… what court will reverse this travesty?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
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That is the whole problem. GOPe judicial restraint types mutter things like ripeness, justiciability, etc. that inevitably prevent them from making rulings to address injustices. Sort of like mistakes may happen but it would be wrong for this court to rectify an injustice issued by a brother court.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (c+GDc)
Pray tell… what court will reverse this travesty?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt
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That is the whole problem. GOPe judicial restraint types mutter things like ripeness, justiciability, etc. that inevitably prevent them from making rulings to address injustices. Sort of like mistakes may happen but it would be wrong for this court to rectify an injustice issued by a brother court.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 01:49 PM (ctrM5)
139
Wasn’t this a bench trial? Or was that the other one? I can’t keep all the left’s gay ass lawfare straight.
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No.
This was the jury trial.
Where Trump's experts on election law were excluded.
But a convicted perjurer was allowed to testify.
And the crime was for making an entry in a private company ledger AFTER the election.
And the State was not required to specify how that was a crime.
But allowed the jury to presume it was a crime that affected the votes of the people of New York ... somehow.
And, as others have noted, the mens rea, the criminal intent, relied upon testimony and evidence of Trump's official acts--for which he is absolutely immune.
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No.
This was the jury trial.
Where Trump's experts on election law were excluded.
But a convicted perjurer was allowed to testify.
And the crime was for making an entry in a private company ledger AFTER the election.
And the State was not required to specify how that was a crime.
But allowed the jury to presume it was a crime that affected the votes of the people of New York ... somehow.
And, as others have noted, the mens rea, the criminal intent, relied upon testimony and evidence of Trump's official acts--for which he is absolutely immune.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 08, 2025 01:50 PM (F3YAM)
140
I would actually favor bifurcating the US legal system (as some states still have) with a separate equity and common law court systems. Bad facts often cause harm to the whole system by bullying jurisdictions dispensing injustice to individuals. Mandating covid vaccines is a classic example despite natural immunity for some or pre existing health issues.
Equity relaxes the harshness for blameless individuals that often happens when you have vindictive prosecutors, judges, and juries in a case or some unintended injustice from an application of a law. Instead, equity in this country has focused on harm to groups.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 01:47 PM (ctrM5)
It would be interesting to re-combine law and equity, but I don't really see that happening. Also, there were a lot of downsides to that system, including that you had to pick which relief you were seeking.
Equity relaxes the harshness for blameless individuals that often happens when you have vindictive prosecutors, judges, and juries in a case or some unintended injustice from an application of a law. Instead, equity in this country has focused on harm to groups.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 01:47 PM (ctrM5)
It would be interesting to re-combine law and equity, but I don't really see that happening. Also, there were a lot of downsides to that system, including that you had to pick which relief you were seeking.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 01:50 PM (uCjyK)
141
When Trump goes up on Mt. Rushmore, the original Scalp Weasel will do fine.
Posted by: torabora at January 08, 2025 01:49 PM (0Gnoc)
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Screw that, we're carving Greenland into a silhouette!
Posted by: torabora at January 08, 2025 01:49 PM (0Gnoc)
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Screw that, we're carving Greenland into a silhouette!
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 01:50 PM (krQz2)
142
It was funny when feminists argued that the "Reasonable Man" standard was biased against women and thought there should be a separate "Reasonable Woman" standard for women.
Definitely an oxymoron
Definitely an oxymoron
Posted by: I totes FEEL like she's guilty! at January 08, 2025 01:50 PM (ybSPO)
143
135 When Trump goes up on Mt. Rushmore, the original Scalp Weasel will do fine.
Posted by: torabora at January 08, 2025 01:49 PM (0Gnoc)
Biden's face will go on the backside...
https://tinyurl.com/nsxv8kyv
Posted by: torabora at January 08, 2025 01:49 PM (0Gnoc)
Biden's face will go on the backside...
https://tinyurl.com/nsxv8kyv
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 01:51 PM (ynpvh)
144
> I want to open a gym called Pontius Pilates
You must wash your hands at the door on entry and exit.
You must wash your hands at the door on entry and exit.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 08, 2025 01:51 PM (Odg76)
145
1. This case
2. E Jean Carroll case (Trump lost $83M to a nut case)
3. Engeron case where he fined Trump $500M
All 3 NY trials with NY judges. NY has a problem
2. E Jean Carroll case (Trump lost $83M to a nut case)
3. Engeron case where he fined Trump $500M
All 3 NY trials with NY judges. NY has a problem
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 08, 2025 01:51 PM (WnEm5)
146
MENS REEEEEAAA!!!
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 01:51 PM (ik3nH)
147
I suspect the timing of the announcement is to disrupt the Trump presidency, by having him officially become a "convicted felon."
Posted by: El Mariachi at January 08, 2025 01:51 PM (nLFEI)
148
So the Supreme Court will do deepstate's dirty work?
Posted by: Eromero at January 08, 2025 01:51 PM (LHPAg)
149
The fact that almost no one in the country knows who E Jean Carroll is tells you kind of all you need to know about the "case". Democrats make their victims superstars and vice versa. Although to be fair they did turn her story into a Law & Order episode.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 01:48 PM (ik3nH)
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I think the Reds have buried E. Jean lower than whale crap because it's painfully obvious that she's batshit crazy.
Just like they buried Biden in his basement during his campaign so it wasn't then totally obvious that he was playing with a light deck.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 01:48 PM (ik3nH)
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I think the Reds have buried E. Jean lower than whale crap because it's painfully obvious that she's batshit crazy.
Just like they buried Biden in his basement during his campaign so it wasn't then totally obvious that he was playing with a light deck.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 01:51 PM (YqDXo)
150
That is the whole problem. GOPe judicial restraint types mutter things like ripeness, justiciability, etc. that inevitably prevent them from making rulings to address injustices. Sort of like mistakes may happen but it would be wrong for this court to rectify an injustice issued by a brother court.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 01:49 PM (ctrM5)
I do agree that R's need to drop this idea of "judicial restraint" and try to select another Lochner-style court. But I have a hard time seeing that happening.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 01:49 PM (ctrM5)
I do agree that R's need to drop this idea of "judicial restraint" and try to select another Lochner-style court. But I have a hard time seeing that happening.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 01:52 PM (uCjyK)
Posted by: mrp at January 08, 2025 01:52 PM (rj6Yv)
152
145 1. This case
2. E Jean Carroll case (Trump lost $83M to a nut case)
3. Engeron case where he fined Trump $500M
All 3 NY trials with NY judges. NY has a problem
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 08, 2025 01:51 PM (WnEm5)
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NY IS a problem.
2. E Jean Carroll case (Trump lost $83M to a nut case)
3. Engeron case where he fined Trump $500M
All 3 NY trials with NY judges. NY has a problem
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 08, 2025 01:51 PM (WnEm5)
_________________
NY IS a problem.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 01:52 PM (YqDXo)
153
That is the whole problem. GOPe judicial restraint types mutter things like ripeness, justiciability, etc. that inevitably prevent them from making rulings to address injustices. Sort of like mistakes may happen but it would be wrong for this court to rectify an injustice issued by a brother court.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 01:49 PM (ctrM5)
And for 100% of them it's just the excuse for how they want to be anyway.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 01:49 PM (ctrM5)
And for 100% of them it's just the excuse for how they want to be anyway.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 01:52 PM (ik3nH)
154
This was the jury trial.
Where Trump's experts on election law were excluded.
But a convicted perjurer was allowed to testify.
And the crime was for making an entry in a private company ledger AFTER the election.
And the State was not required to specify how that was a crime.
But allowed the jury to presume it was a crime that affected the votes of the people of New York ... somehow.
And, as others have noted, the mens rea, the criminal intent, relied upon testimony and evidence of Trump's official acts--for which he is absolutely immune.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 08, 2025 01:50 PM (F3YAM)
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Great summation, PHV.
I saw one lawyer sum it up as Trump was forbidden to mount a defense.
Where Trump's experts on election law were excluded.
But a convicted perjurer was allowed to testify.
And the crime was for making an entry in a private company ledger AFTER the election.
And the State was not required to specify how that was a crime.
But allowed the jury to presume it was a crime that affected the votes of the people of New York ... somehow.
And, as others have noted, the mens rea, the criminal intent, relied upon testimony and evidence of Trump's official acts--for which he is absolutely immune.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 08, 2025 01:50 PM (F3YAM)
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Great summation, PHV.
I saw one lawyer sum it up as Trump was forbidden to mount a defense.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 01:52 PM (krQz2)
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151 In 1960, NY was the most populous state in the US.
Now it's fourth.
Posted by: mrp at January 08, 2025 01:52 PM (rj6Yv)
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Behind a swampland.
Now it's fourth.
Posted by: mrp at January 08, 2025 01:52 PM (rj6Yv)
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Behind a swampland.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 01:52 PM (GBKbO)
156
137 Our entire legal system is chock full of the "reasonable person" standard. It's everywhere. But as the political mind virus continues to ravage vast swathes of the population, the "reasonable person" on average becomes extremely unreasonable. As Judges, DAs, and juries become more and more insane, the sane will be increasingly persecuted. This is how civilizations fall.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (Odg76)
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It was funny when feminists argued that the "Reasonable Man" standard was biased against women and thought there should be a separate "Reasonable Woman" standard for women.
All for "equality under law", mind you.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 01:49 PM (krQz2)
I'm supposed to be tried by a jury of my peers...seems like in a Blue Zone I'd be peerless...
Posted by: bonhomme at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (Odg76)
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It was funny when feminists argued that the "Reasonable Man" standard was biased against women and thought there should be a separate "Reasonable Woman" standard for women.
All for "equality under law", mind you.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 01:49 PM (krQz2)
I'm supposed to be tried by a jury of my peers...seems like in a Blue Zone I'd be peerless...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 01:53 PM (ynpvh)
157
I think the Reds have buried E. Jean lower than whale crap because it's painfully obvious that she's batshit crazy.
Just like they buried Biden in his basement during his campaign so it wasn't then totally obvious that he was playing with a light deck.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 01:51 PM (YqDXo)
Nah. Carroll did her job. She's just not needed any more.
Just like they buried Biden in his basement during his campaign so it wasn't then totally obvious that he was playing with a light deck.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 01:51 PM (YqDXo)
Nah. Carroll did her job. She's just not needed any more.
Posted by: blaster at January 08, 2025 01:53 PM (xhfG9)
158
Hey, Rhea doesn't belong to any man but me.
-- Danny DeVito
-- Danny DeVito
Posted by: Bulg at January 08, 2025 01:53 PM (77rzZ)
159
I suspect the timing of the announcement is to disrupt the Trump presidency, by having him officially become a "convicted felon."
Posted by: El Mariachi at January 08, 2025 01:51 PM (nLFEI)
And it will be as effective as everything they tried to stop him from becoming president again.
Posted by: El Mariachi at January 08, 2025 01:51 PM (nLFEI)
And it will be as effective as everything they tried to stop him from becoming president again.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 01:53 PM (ik3nH)
160
It was funny when feminists argued that the "Reasonable Man" standard was biased against women and thought there should be a separate "Reasonable Woman" standard for women.
All for "equality under law", mind you.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 01:49 PM (krQz2)
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When will Affirmative Action Jackson apply the "Reasonable Tranny" standard (now there's an oxymoron for the ages).
Or maybe the "Reasonable Biologist" standard ...
All for "equality under law", mind you.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 01:49 PM (krQz2)
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When will Affirmative Action Jackson apply the "Reasonable Tranny" standard (now there's an oxymoron for the ages).
Or maybe the "Reasonable Biologist" standard ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Take Back and Rename the Panama America Canal! at January 08, 2025 01:53 PM (lMAf3)
161
I think the Reds have buried E. Jean lower than whale crap because it's painfully obvious that she's batshit crazy.
On Anderson Cooper's show she described rape as sexy.
You get that clip in front of the average (reasonable?) woman and there would have been some anger I suspect at this liar...
On Anderson Cooper's show she described rape as sexy.
You get that clip in front of the average (reasonable?) woman and there would have been some anger I suspect at this liar...
Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2025 01:53 PM (t0Rmr)
162
129 The fact that almost no one in the country knows who E Jean Carroll is tells you kind of all you need to know about the "case". Democrats make their victims superstars and vice versa. Although to be fair they did turn her story into a Law & Order episode.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 01:48 PM
It was the same back in the day, my LIV friends knew about Anita Hill but had never heard of Juanita Broderick.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 01:48 PM
It was the same back in the day, my LIV friends knew about Anita Hill but had never heard of Juanita Broderick.
Posted by: CaliGirl at January 08, 2025 01:53 PM (+R1GT)
163
Nobody even knows what the fuck Trump was convicted of! "Hush money" sounds illegal I guess
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2025 01:54 PM (KQk9m)
164
161 On Anderson Cooper's show she described rape as sexy.
You get that clip in front of the average (reasonable?) woman and there would have been some anger I suspect at this liar...
Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2025 01:53 PM (t0Rmr)
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"And you wondered at my popularity?"
-Bernie Sanders
You get that clip in front of the average (reasonable?) woman and there would have been some anger I suspect at this liar...
Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2025 01:53 PM (t0Rmr)
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"And you wondered at my popularity?"
-Bernie Sanders
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 01:54 PM (GBKbO)
165
John Roberts on Jan. 20: "Repeat after me. I, Donald John Trump, a convicted felon..."
Posted by: Bulg at January 08, 2025 01:54 PM (77rzZ)
166
97 Remember, there is photographic evidence that Hunter Biden banged underaged girls, and yet Trump was held liable for assaulting some woman, in some month, on some day, in some year in the 90s in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 08, 2025 01:44 PM (XEXIN)
For Trump to be guilty of what he was charged with, you'd need to believe the following:
The most famous person in NYC, who lived just down the street from one of the city's more iconic stores, walked over to Bergdorf's, went to the ladies' section (the whole store is basically one ladies' section - the men's store is next across the street), didn't have one salesperson accost him while doing so, while assaulting a woman in the ladies' dressing room with nobody noticing.
That. Makes. No. Sense.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 08, 2025 01:44 PM (XEXIN)
For Trump to be guilty of what he was charged with, you'd need to believe the following:
The most famous person in NYC, who lived just down the street from one of the city's more iconic stores, walked over to Bergdorf's, went to the ladies' section (the whole store is basically one ladies' section - the men's store is next across the street), didn't have one salesperson accost him while doing so, while assaulting a woman in the ladies' dressing room with nobody noticing.
That. Makes. No. Sense.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 08, 2025 01:54 PM (43rDb)
167
When will Affirmative Action Jackson apply the "Reasonable Tranny" standard (now there's an oxymoron for the ages).
Or maybe the "Reasonable Biologist" standard ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Take Back and Rename the Panama America Canal! at January 08, 2025 01:53 PM (lMAf3)
That is actually how it works. "How would a reasonable person of similar education, background, etc. react in this situation" is how the jury would be instructed.
I'm sure there have been cases that have had "reasonable trannys" in them (assuming the tranny part was germane to the case)
Or maybe the "Reasonable Biologist" standard ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Take Back and Rename the Panama America Canal! at January 08, 2025 01:53 PM (lMAf3)
That is actually how it works. "How would a reasonable person of similar education, background, etc. react in this situation" is how the jury would be instructed.
I'm sure there have been cases that have had "reasonable trannys" in them (assuming the tranny part was germane to the case)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 01:55 PM (uCjyK)
168
Pontius Pilates:
Strait is the gate and narrow is the way to 8% body fat.
This joke won't sound so funny when St. Peter is reading it back to me.
Strait is the gate and narrow is the way to 8% body fat.
This joke won't sound so funny when St. Peter is reading it back to me.
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 01:55 PM (Dm6r5)
169
Supreme Court could rule that Trump has to be impeached and removed to be subject to a state court judgement.
Posted by: torabora at January 08, 2025 01:55 PM (0Gnoc)
170
Our entire legal system is chock full of the "reasonable person" standard.
Posted by: bonhomme
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This case was not based on such. Instead, it was based on claiming a non-crime FEC violation existed and then bootstrapped the rest of it.
The Jean Carroll case was not a reasonable man standard case either but a tort action based on libel and slander when Trump said he did not have any relations with Carroll as alleged by here. Trump was being punished by a jury for claiming innocence and the jury said Trump did not rape her but defamed her.
The Engoron case is such a perversion of justice (with no jury involved) that the judge proclaimed the state was victimized when Trump declared values on his properties and banks lent to him based on their own estimates of value.
Every one of those decisions rank with the awful segregation era cases in the South but slapped down by federal courts repeatedly and often.
Posted by: bonhomme
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This case was not based on such. Instead, it was based on claiming a non-crime FEC violation existed and then bootstrapped the rest of it.
The Jean Carroll case was not a reasonable man standard case either but a tort action based on libel and slander when Trump said he did not have any relations with Carroll as alleged by here. Trump was being punished by a jury for claiming innocence and the jury said Trump did not rape her but defamed her.
The Engoron case is such a perversion of justice (with no jury involved) that the judge proclaimed the state was victimized when Trump declared values on his properties and banks lent to him based on their own estimates of value.
Every one of those decisions rank with the awful segregation era cases in the South but slapped down by federal courts repeatedly and often.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 01:56 PM (ctrM5)
171
I understand why the Supremes want to stay out of this one.
The NY judicial system requires a political solution, not a court ruling.
The NY judicial system requires a political solution, not a court ruling.
Posted by: mrp at January 08, 2025 01:56 PM (rj6Yv)
172
A Reasonable Person would believe that if a person assigned male at birth really thinks they are a woman, they are a woman, why would they not?!
[And thus the legal strawman is complete.]
A Reasonable Person would believe that if a person assigned male at birth really thinks they are a woman, they are a woman, why would they not?!
[And thus the legal strawman is complete.]
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 01:56 PM (krQz2)
173
We will continue to be treated a second-class citizens until the cowards of the court confront this real and dangerous hyperpartisan bias.
Posted by: Ace
CNN and Tapper are going to have the other side of the coin shown to them.
Young is going to take them to the cleaners. I personally hope he *owns* CNN after the JURY finishes with CNN and Tapper.
Posted by: Ace
CNN and Tapper are going to have the other side of the coin shown to them.
Young is going to take them to the cleaners. I personally hope he *owns* CNN after the JURY finishes with CNN and Tapper.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at January 08, 2025 01:56 PM (yruun)
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I suspect the timing of the announcement is to disrupt the Trump presidency, by having him officially become a "convicted felon."
Posted by: El Mariachi at January 08, 2025 01:51 PM (nLFEI)
And it will be as effective as everything they tried to stop him from becoming president again.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 01:53 PM (ik3nH)
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Trump should embrace and mock it: show up for The Inauguration wearing the old black-and-white prison stripes or the new orange jumpsuit.
Posted by: El Mariachi at January 08, 2025 01:51 PM (nLFEI)
And it will be as effective as everything they tried to stop him from becoming president again.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 01:53 PM (ik3nH)
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Trump should embrace and mock it: show up for The Inauguration wearing the old black-and-white prison stripes or the new orange jumpsuit.
Posted by: ShainS -- Take Back and Rename the Panama America Canal! at January 08, 2025 01:56 PM (lMAf3)
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163 Nobody even knows what the fuck Trump was convicted of! "Hush money" sounds illegal I guess
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2025 01:54 PM (KQk9m)
And yet, Congress itself has a hush money fund paid for by the American Taxpayer.
They use it to settle claims of sexual abuse and such.
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2025 01:54 PM (KQk9m)
And yet, Congress itself has a hush money fund paid for by the American Taxpayer.
They use it to settle claims of sexual abuse and such.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 08, 2025 01:56 PM (QAkQ3)
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>>On Anderson Cooper's show she described rape as sexy.
And she was right!
It's the Sexiest of ALL the Arts.
And she was right!
It's the Sexiest of ALL the Arts.
Posted by: Dominique Strauss Kahn at January 08, 2025 01:56 PM (obi3v)
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152 145 1. This case
2. E Jean Carroll case (Trump lost $83M to a nut case)
3. Engeron case where he fined Trump $500M
All 3 NY trials with NY judges. NY has a problem
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 08, 2025 01:51 PM (WnEm5)
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NY IS a problem.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 01:52 PM (YqDXo)
Leftist problem. The believe that, like Humpty Dumpty, the law means exactly what they mean it to mean when they implement it and adjudicate it...
2. E Jean Carroll case (Trump lost $83M to a nut case)
3. Engeron case where he fined Trump $500M
All 3 NY trials with NY judges. NY has a problem
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 08, 2025 01:51 PM (WnEm5)
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NY IS a problem.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 01:52 PM (YqDXo)
Leftist problem. The believe that, like Humpty Dumpty, the law means exactly what they mean it to mean when they implement it and adjudicate it...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 01:56 PM (ynpvh)
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The NY judicial system requires a political solution, not a court ruling.
Posted by: mrp
Judges would also have accepted "a leveling by Godzilla."
Posted by: mrp
Judges would also have accepted "a leveling by Godzilla."
Posted by: Bulg at January 08, 2025 01:57 PM (77rzZ)
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The "Law and Order" episode was on seven years before Carroll claimed Trump assaulted her in a Berdorf Goodman dressing.room. His lawyer asked her about it and she gave some ridiculous answer about having never seen the episode.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2025 01:57 PM (58Nxm)
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A Person of Straw would believe that Trump is guilty, guilty, guilty and a puppet of Putin.
The Court has spoken.
A Person of Straw would believe that Trump is guilty, guilty, guilty and a puppet of Putin.
The Court has spoken.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 01:57 PM (krQz2)
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To those questioning how reforming this would work, it would be difficult to do anything in a totally blue state, such as New York.
In Texas, after about the third or fourth abusive prosecution of a state or federal Republican official in Travis County (Austin), specifically Rick Perry, the legislature has passed laws to first remove jurisdiction from the DA in Travis County for these types of cases and then passed a law to permit removal of "rogue DA's" from prosecutions or prosecute cases that they refuse to prosecute.
Giving Kathy Hochul these powers would help President Trump, however.
In Texas, after about the third or fourth abusive prosecution of a state or federal Republican official in Travis County (Austin), specifically Rick Perry, the legislature has passed laws to first remove jurisdiction from the DA in Travis County for these types of cases and then passed a law to permit removal of "rogue DA's" from prosecutions or prosecute cases that they refuse to prosecute.
Giving Kathy Hochul these powers would help President Trump, however.
Posted by: A Concerned Citizen at January 08, 2025 01:57 PM (n2Wuf)
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178 Judges would also have accepted "a leveling by Godzilla."
Posted by: Bulg at January 08, 2025 01:57 PM (77rzZ)
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Ghidorah or bust.
Posted by: Bulg at January 08, 2025 01:57 PM (77rzZ)
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Ghidorah or bust.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 01:57 PM (GBKbO)
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Who is hearing emergency petitions now for that district? It's all about who the judge is. Not political. Heh.
Posted by: Justice Roberts is either stupid or complicit at January 08, 2025 01:57 PM (KoNQY)
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154 This was the jury trial.
Where Trump's experts on election law were excluded.
But a convicted perjurer was allowed to testify.
And the crime was for making an entry in a private company ledger AFTER the election.
And the State was not required to specify how that was a crime.
But allowed the jury to presume it was a crime that affected the votes of the people of New York ... somehow.
And, as others have noted, the mens rea, the criminal intent, relied upon testimony and evidence of Trump's official acts--for which he is absolutely immune.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 08, 2025 01:50 PM (F3YAM)
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Great summation, PHV.
I saw one lawyer sum it up as Trump was forbidden to mount a defense.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 01:52 PM (krQz2)
That'd be like raping E. Jean Carroll all over again! /sarc
Where Trump's experts on election law were excluded.
But a convicted perjurer was allowed to testify.
And the crime was for making an entry in a private company ledger AFTER the election.
And the State was not required to specify how that was a crime.
But allowed the jury to presume it was a crime that affected the votes of the people of New York ... somehow.
And, as others have noted, the mens rea, the criminal intent, relied upon testimony and evidence of Trump's official acts--for which he is absolutely immune.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 08, 2025 01:50 PM (F3YAM)
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Great summation, PHV.
I saw one lawyer sum it up as Trump was forbidden to mount a defense.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 01:52 PM (krQz2)
That'd be like raping E. Jean Carroll all over again! /sarc
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 01:58 PM (ynpvh)
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And yet, Congress itself has a hush money fund paid for by the American Taxpayer.
That's different because.....shut up
Adam Schiff
That's different because.....shut up
Adam Schiff
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2025 01:58 PM (KQk9m)
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Not help President Trump. My bad.
Posted by: A Concerned Citizen at January 08, 2025 01:58 PM (n2Wuf)
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 01:58 PM (GQjGJ)
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When will Affirmative Action Jackson apply the "Reasonable Tranny" standard (now there's an oxymoron for the ages).
Or maybe the "Reasonable Biologist" standard ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Take Back and Rename the Panama America Canal! at January 08, 2025 01:53 PM (lMAf3)
That is actually how it works. "How would a reasonable person of similar education, background, etc. react in this situation" is how the jury would be instructed.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 01:55 PM (uCjyK)
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So we can look forward to the "Reasonable Felon" standard?
Or maybe the "Reasonable Biologist" standard ...
Posted by: ShainS -- Take Back and Rename the Panama America Canal! at January 08, 2025 01:53 PM (lMAf3)
That is actually how it works. "How would a reasonable person of similar education, background, etc. react in this situation" is how the jury would be instructed.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 01:55 PM (uCjyK)
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So we can look forward to the "Reasonable Felon" standard?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 01:58 PM (YqDXo)
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No Leftist believes Tara Read's story about Perv Joe finger banging her up against a wall.
Posted by: torabora at January 08, 2025 01:58 PM (0Gnoc)
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Nobody even knows what the fuck Trump was convicted of! "Hush money" sounds illegal I guess
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2025 01:54 PM (KQk9m)
And yet, Congress itself has a hush money fund paid for by the American Taxpayer.
They use it to settle claims of sexual abuse and such.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 08, 2025 01:56 PM (QAkQ3)
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They should be using their CAMPAIGN FUNDS!!
... at least in the State of New York...
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2025 01:54 PM (KQk9m)
And yet, Congress itself has a hush money fund paid for by the American Taxpayer.
They use it to settle claims of sexual abuse and such.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 08, 2025 01:56 PM (QAkQ3)
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They should be using their CAMPAIGN FUNDS!!
... at least in the State of New York...
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 01:58 PM (krQz2)
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The NY judicial system requires a political solution, not a court ruling.
Posted by: mrp at January 08, 2025 01:56 PM (rj6Yv)
I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that Supreme Court (trial court) judges in New York are elected. As are the prosecutors.
So this kind of is the outcome of a "political solutions".
And a lot of the judges I know in New York are primarily politicians, not learned men of the law.
Posted by: mrp at January 08, 2025 01:56 PM (rj6Yv)
I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that Supreme Court (trial court) judges in New York are elected. As are the prosecutors.
So this kind of is the outcome of a "political solutions".
And a lot of the judges I know in New York are primarily politicians, not learned men of the law.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 01:58 PM (uCjyK)
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>>On Anderson Cooper's show she described rape as sexy.
And she was right!
It's the Sexiest of ALL the Arts.
Posted by: Dominique Strauss Kahn at January 08, 2025 01:56 PM (obi3v)
I find pastrami to be the most sensual of all the cured, dried meats — George Caligula Costanza
And she was right!
It's the Sexiest of ALL the Arts.
Posted by: Dominique Strauss Kahn at January 08, 2025 01:56 PM (obi3v)
I find pastrami to be the most sensual of all the cured, dried meats — George Caligula Costanza
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 08, 2025 01:59 PM (WnEm5)
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163 Nobody even knows what the fuck Trump was convicted of! "Hush money" sounds illegal I guess
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2025 01:54 PM (KQk9m)
"Shhhhh!"--Congress
Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2025 01:54 PM (KQk9m)
"Shhhhh!"--Congress
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 01:59 PM (ynpvh)
194
The left has caused so much havoc it's hard to ignore if you aren't a leftist.
California should be the poster-state for how NOT to be but the Dems keep thinking the politicians from their are the dream team.
How does one objectively look at that state and come to the conclusion that Democrats are doing just fine?
It's beyond absurd
California should be the poster-state for how NOT to be but the Dems keep thinking the politicians from their are the dream team.
How does one objectively look at that state and come to the conclusion that Democrats are doing just fine?
It's beyond absurd
Posted by: melodicmetal1 at January 08, 2025 01:59 PM (XLfSN)
195
What evil hath this man done, other than help you get swole?
Posted by: Pontius Pilate, personal trainer at January 08, 2025 01:59 PM (ybSPO)
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191 I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that Supreme Court (trial court) judges in New York are elected. As are the prosecutors.
So this kind of is the outcome of a "political solutions".
And a lot of the judges I know in New York are primarily politicians, not learned men of the law.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 01:58 PM (uCjyK)
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And NY is the home of Tammany where a political machine controlled elections.
Ancient history, though. No application to today at all.
I don't even know why I thought of it.
So this kind of is the outcome of a "political solutions".
And a lot of the judges I know in New York are primarily politicians, not learned men of the law.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 01:58 PM (uCjyK)
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And NY is the home of Tammany where a political machine controlled elections.
Ancient history, though. No application to today at all.
I don't even know why I thought of it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 01:59 PM (GBKbO)
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And yet, Congress itself has a hush money fund paid for by the American Taxpayer.
I think that's where the boomerang will land.
They have to sentence him. I'll be disappointed if they don't.
I think that's where the boomerang will land.
They have to sentence him. I'll be disappointed if they don't.
Posted by: t-bird at January 08, 2025 02:00 PM (lCA8w)
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Too bad Oliver Wendel Douglas left NYC. He would've made a great defense attorney for Trump.
Posted by: Bulg at January 08, 2025 02:00 PM (77rzZ)
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166 97 Remember, there is photographic evidence that Hunter Biden banged underaged girls, and yet Trump was held liable for assaulting some woman, in some month, on some day, in some year in the 90s in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 08, 2025 01:44 PM (XEXIN)
For Trump to be guilty of what he was charged with, you'd need to believe the following:
The most famous person in NYC, who lived just down the street from one of the city's more iconic stores, walked over to Bergdorf's, went to the ladies' section (the whole store is basically one ladies' section - the men's store is next across the street), didn't have one salesperson accost him while doing so, while assaulting a woman in the ladies' dressing room with nobody noticing.
That. Makes. No. Sense.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 08, 2025 01:54 PM (43rDb)
And nobody but a crazy woman 'remembers' being raped in a dressing room where men are not allowed...
Posted by: Thomas Bender at January 08, 2025 01:44 PM (XEXIN)
For Trump to be guilty of what he was charged with, you'd need to believe the following:
The most famous person in NYC, who lived just down the street from one of the city's more iconic stores, walked over to Bergdorf's, went to the ladies' section (the whole store is basically one ladies' section - the men's store is next across the street), didn't have one salesperson accost him while doing so, while assaulting a woman in the ladies' dressing room with nobody noticing.
That. Makes. No. Sense.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 08, 2025 01:54 PM (43rDb)
And nobody but a crazy woman 'remembers' being raped in a dressing room where men are not allowed...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 02:00 PM (ynpvh)
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And this lie that we need to believe all women is really silly. A female cop told me she feels guilty but every time they get a call about an assault they initially are suspect because women and young girls lie all the time about it for many different reasons. The most popular reason is to get out of trouble. Young girls stay out past curfew, I was attacked. Wife cheating and out all night, I was attacked.
Posted by: CaliGirl at January 08, 2025 02:00 PM (+R1GT)
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>>I find pastrami to be the most sensual of all the cured, dried meats — George Caligula Costanza
Marathon Runners Carbo Load.
Rapists Pastrami Load.
Marathon Runners Carbo Load.
Rapists Pastrami Load.
Posted by: Dominique Strauss Kahn at January 08, 2025 02:00 PM (obi3v)
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During the trial, did anybody catch how little evidence there is for Trump even knowing that Cohen had paid Daniels off?
All we had was a convicted perjurer insisting that in some phone call on a different topic, he was *sure* he mentioned the payoff.
All we had was a convicted perjurer insisting that in some phone call on a different topic, he was *sure* he mentioned the payoff.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 02:00 PM (krQz2)
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That is actually how it works. "How would a reasonable person of similar education, background, etc. react in this situation" is how the jury would be instructed.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 01:55 PM (uCjyK)
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So we can look forward to the "Reasonable Felon" standard?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 01:58 PM (YqDXo)
After watching my 'Fellow Citizen' cower during Covid, I find I can no longer consider them 'reasonable'.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 01:55 PM (uCjyK)
_________________
So we can look forward to the "Reasonable Felon" standard?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 01:58 PM (YqDXo)
After watching my 'Fellow Citizen' cower during Covid, I find I can no longer consider them 'reasonable'.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 08, 2025 02:01 PM (QAkQ3)
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And NY is the home of Tammany where a political machine controlled elections.
Ancient history, though. No application to today at all.
I don't even know why I thought of it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 01:59 PM (GBKbO)
The city is just as corrupt as it was back then. Nothing has changed.
I imagine all big cities in the US are similar, but I don't know for sure.
Ancient history, though. No application to today at all.
I don't even know why I thought of it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 01:59 PM (GBKbO)
The city is just as corrupt as it was back then. Nothing has changed.
I imagine all big cities in the US are similar, but I don't know for sure.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 02:01 PM (uCjyK)
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And this lie that we need to believe all women is really silly. A female cop told me she feels guilty but every time they get a call about an assault they initially are suspect because women and young girls lie all the time about it for many different reasons. The most popular reason is to get out of trouble. Young girls stay out past curfew, I was attacked. Wife cheating and out all night, I was attacked.
Posted by: CaliGirl at January 08, 2025 02:00 PM (+R1GT)
That's just your internalized misogyny talking.
Posted by: CaliGirl at January 08, 2025 02:00 PM (+R1GT)
That's just your internalized misogyny talking.
Posted by: They would NEVER lie about THAT!!! at January 08, 2025 02:01 PM (ybSPO)
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That is actually how it works. "How would a reasonable person of similar education, background, etc. react in this situation" is how the jury would be instructed.
I'm sure there have been cases that have had "reasonable trannys" in them (assuming the tranny part was germane to the case)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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There was no reasonableness standard applied in the hush money case criminal case before Merchan nor in the Carroll or the Engoron monstrosity.
What the prosecution alleged is that Trump arranged for Cohen to pay Stormy Daniels money in 2017 that affected the election somehow in 2016 by essentially claiming that Trump checks to Cohen constituted a reimbursement for Cohen's illegal campaign contribution to Trump (which the FEC which had jurisdiction refused to charge as such). This would normally be a misdemeanor business reporting charge in NY (the counts run from each check the Trump organization paid to Cohen in 2017 and later). But Merchan agreed with Bragg that the predicate charge was an illegal 2016 campaign contribution violating federal law despite the feds never prosecuting it which escalated the multiple charges based on checks to a felony.
I'm sure there have been cases that have had "reasonable trannys" in them (assuming the tranny part was germane to the case)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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There was no reasonableness standard applied in the hush money case criminal case before Merchan nor in the Carroll or the Engoron monstrosity.
What the prosecution alleged is that Trump arranged for Cohen to pay Stormy Daniels money in 2017 that affected the election somehow in 2016 by essentially claiming that Trump checks to Cohen constituted a reimbursement for Cohen's illegal campaign contribution to Trump (which the FEC which had jurisdiction refused to charge as such). This would normally be a misdemeanor business reporting charge in NY (the counts run from each check the Trump organization paid to Cohen in 2017 and later). But Merchan agreed with Bragg that the predicate charge was an illegal 2016 campaign contribution violating federal law despite the feds never prosecuting it which escalated the multiple charges based on checks to a felony.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 02:02 PM (ctrM5)
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During the trial, did anybody catch how little evidence there is for Trump even knowing that Cohen had paid Daniels off?
All we had was a convicted perjurer insisting that in some phone call on a different topic, he was *sure* he mentioned the payoff.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 02:00 PM (krQz2)
It didn't matter. Getting Trump is what mattered.
All we had was a convicted perjurer insisting that in some phone call on a different topic, he was *sure* he mentioned the payoff.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 02:00 PM (krQz2)
It didn't matter. Getting Trump is what mattered.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 02:02 PM (uCjyK)
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And this lie that we need to believe all women is really silly. A female cop told me she feels guilty but every time they get a call about an assault they initially are suspect because women and young girls lie all the time about it for many different reasons.
Posted by: CaliGirl at January 08, 2025 02:00 PM (+R1GT)
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Believe all women.
Honestly, they didn't know they were speeding!
Posted by: CaliGirl at January 08, 2025 02:00 PM (+R1GT)
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Believe all women.
Honestly, they didn't know they were speeding!
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 02:02 PM (krQz2)
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204 The city is just as corrupt as it was back then. Nothing has changed.
I imagine all big cities in the US are similar, but I don't know for sure.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 02:01 PM (uCjyK)
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If I told you that I don't believe any major metro area's elections should be believed for the past 50 years, I'd probably be guilty of an insurrection.
So I won't say it.
I imagine all big cities in the US are similar, but I don't know for sure.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 02:01 PM (uCjyK)
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If I told you that I don't believe any major metro area's elections should be believed for the past 50 years, I'd probably be guilty of an insurrection.
So I won't say it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:02 PM (GBKbO)
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169 Supreme Court could rule that Trump has to be impeached and removed to be subject to a state court judgement.
Posted by: torabora at January 08, 2025 01:55 PM (0Gnoc)
Which was another reason for trying him while Biden was (P)resident...
Posted by: torabora at January 08, 2025 01:55 PM (0Gnoc)
Which was another reason for trying him while Biden was (P)resident...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 02:02 PM (ynpvh)
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We will continue to be treated a second-class citizens until the cowards of the court confront this real and dangerous hyperpartisan bias.
Posted by: Ace at 01:27 PM
And when they inevitably don't confront it appropriately, no one will be surprised when common people get tired of being 2nd class citizens.
Posted by: Ace at 01:27 PM
And when they inevitably don't confront it appropriately, no one will be surprised when common people get tired of being 2nd class citizens.
Posted by: BifBewalski at January 08, 2025 02:02 PM (MsrgL)
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I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that Supreme Court (trial court) judges in New York are elected. As are the prosecutors.
So this kind of is the outcome of a "political solutions".
And a lot of the judges I know in New York are primarily politicians, not learned men of the law.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 01:58 PM (uCjyK)
All of that is true. And falls under the heading of "to be continued ...".
So this kind of is the outcome of a "political solutions".
And a lot of the judges I know in New York are primarily politicians, not learned men of the law.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 01:58 PM (uCjyK)
All of that is true. And falls under the heading of "to be continued ...".
Posted by: mrp at January 08, 2025 02:02 PM (rj6Yv)
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And nobody but a crazy woman 'remembers' being raped in a dressing room where men are not allowed...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 02:00 PM (ynpvh)
They were also not allowed to tell the jury she had made these types of allegations before... against other famous Men.
It's like she wears a 'Rape Me' sign.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 02:00 PM (ynpvh)
They were also not allowed to tell the jury she had made these types of allegations before... against other famous Men.
It's like she wears a 'Rape Me' sign.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 08, 2025 02:02 PM (QAkQ3)
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Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 02:02 PM (ctrM5)
Yeah I know. Although I did not follow the case that closely. I was just replying to the comment about reasonable person standards.
Yeah I know. Although I did not follow the case that closely. I was just replying to the comment about reasonable person standards.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 02:03 PM (uCjyK)
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The Roberts court will run in the opposite direction from this.
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 08, 2025 02:03 PM (ZlOcj)
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What I heard this morning was the court requested the NY court to submit their own argument by tomorrow morning, and that they'll make a decision before Friday.
I don't know what to expect, we're in new territory here.
Frankly, because lawyers gotta lawyer, my recommendation was for Trump to just ignore this puny, corrupt judge, and go about his business of presidentin', and let them figure out what to do with that.
But he's going to follow legal advice.
I don't know what to expect, we're in new territory here.
Frankly, because lawyers gotta lawyer, my recommendation was for Trump to just ignore this puny, corrupt judge, and go about his business of presidentin', and let them figure out what to do with that.
But he's going to follow legal advice.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2025 02:03 PM (dGCAG)
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Can we just give NYC back to the Indians? We'll even let them keep the beads.
Posted by: Bulg at January 08, 2025 02:03 PM (77rzZ)
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So we can look forward to the "Reasonable Felon" standard?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 01:58 PM (YqDXo)
After watching my 'Fellow Citizen' cower during Covid, I find I can no longer consider them 'reasonable'.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 08, 2025 02:01 PM (QAkQ3)
Dahmer should have had a jury of homosexual cannibalistic sociopaths with borderline personality disorder and substance addictions.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 01:58 PM (YqDXo)
After watching my 'Fellow Citizen' cower during Covid, I find I can no longer consider them 'reasonable'.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 08, 2025 02:01 PM (QAkQ3)
Dahmer should have had a jury of homosexual cannibalistic sociopaths with borderline personality disorder and substance addictions.
Posted by: Jury of his peers at January 08, 2025 02:03 PM (ybSPO)
219
What evil hath this man done, other than help you get swole?
Posted by: Pontius Pilate, personal trainer
Ha! The Pontius sub-thread has been great.
Posted by: Pontius Pilate, personal trainer
Ha! The Pontius sub-thread has been great.
Posted by: t-bird at January 08, 2025 02:04 PM (lCA8w)
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182 178 Judges would also have accepted "a leveling by Godzilla."
Posted by: Bulg at January 08, 2025 01:57 PM (77rzZ)
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Ghidorah or bust.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 01:57 PM (GBKbO)
How busty? Asking for the other Morons...
Posted by: Bulg at January 08, 2025 01:57 PM (77rzZ)
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Ghidorah or bust.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 01:57 PM (GBKbO)
How busty? Asking for the other Morons...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 02:04 PM (ynpvh)
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Trump's AG, presumably Bondi, needs to bring conspiracy charges against all of those coordinated lawfare cases against President Trump -- including treasonous & seditious scum in The Junta White House -- for Deprivation Of Rights Under Color Of Law.
Posted by: ShainS -- Take Back and Rename the Panama America Canal! at January 08, 2025 02:04 PM (n0E/t)
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Lo, here is one whose squat shoes I am not fit to buckle.
Posted by: John the Baptist, IFBB Middle East Champ at January 08, 2025 02:04 PM (1GT/M)
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215 The Roberts court will run in the opposite direction from this.
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 08, 2025 02:03 PM (ZlOcj)
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It hasn't been the Roberts Court since 2021.
Sure, he's Chief Justice and is gonna have his name attached to this era, but he's had so little control of what's gone on since he debased himself and got the court to not take up election cases for Trump. It's been the Thomas/Alito Court in effect ever since.
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 08, 2025 02:03 PM (ZlOcj)
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It hasn't been the Roberts Court since 2021.
Sure, he's Chief Justice and is gonna have his name attached to this era, but he's had so little control of what's gone on since he debased himself and got the court to not take up election cases for Trump. It's been the Thomas/Alito Court in effect ever since.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:04 PM (GBKbO)
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But Merchan agreed with Bragg that the predicate charge was an illegal 2016 campaign contribution violating federal law despite the feds never prosecuting it which escalated the multiple charges based on checks to a felony.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 02:02 PM (ctrM5)
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Yup. It was as much bootstrapping as arguing that not licensing same-sex marriage was a failure to equally protect gays from unequal treatment.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 02:02 PM (ctrM5)
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Yup. It was as much bootstrapping as arguing that not licensing same-sex marriage was a failure to equally protect gays from unequal treatment.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 02:04 PM (krQz2)
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202 During the trial, did anybody catch how little evidence there is for Trump even knowing that Cohen had paid Daniels off?
All we had was a convicted perjurer insisting that in some phone call on a different topic, he was *sure* he mentioned the payoff.
Posted by: Axeman
There were so many non sequiturs in that case and illogical time hopping, etc. where a 2017 check affected a 2016 election that the whole thing is a disgrace to justice by the entire NY court system and NY itself should be boycotted as a state to do business, visit, or otherwise engage in commerce with. Frankly, NY, like CA should be reduced to a territorial status again and its government rebuilt to protect basic rights of its residents.
All we had was a convicted perjurer insisting that in some phone call on a different topic, he was *sure* he mentioned the payoff.
Posted by: Axeman
There were so many non sequiturs in that case and illogical time hopping, etc. where a 2017 check affected a 2016 election that the whole thing is a disgrace to justice by the entire NY court system and NY itself should be boycotted as a state to do business, visit, or otherwise engage in commerce with. Frankly, NY, like CA should be reduced to a territorial status again and its government rebuilt to protect basic rights of its residents.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 02:05 PM (ctrM5)
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What the prosecution alleged is that Trump arranged for Cohen to pay Stormy Daniels money in 2017 that affected the election somehow in 2016 by essentially claiming that Trump checks to Cohen constituted a reimbursement for Cohen's illegal campaign contribution to Trump (which the FEC which had jurisdiction refused to charge as such). This would normally be a misdemeanor business reporting charge in NY (the counts run from each check the Trump organization paid to Cohen in 2017 and later). But Merchan agreed with Bragg that the predicate charge was an illegal 2016 campaign contribution violating federal law despite the feds never prosecuting it which escalated the multiple charges based on checks to a felony.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 02:02 PM (ctrM5)
And Trump was going to put someone from the FEC on the stand but Merchan banned him from discussing the relevant law.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 02:02 PM (ctrM5)
And Trump was going to put someone from the FEC on the stand but Merchan banned him from discussing the relevant law.
Posted by: Inogame at January 08, 2025 02:05 PM (53oGX)
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nd this lie that we need to believe all women is really silly. A female cop told me she feels guilty but every time they get a call about an assault they initially are suspect because women and young girls lie all the time about it for many different reasons. The most popular reason is to get out of trouble. Young girls stay out past curfew, I was attacked. Wife cheating and out all night, I was attacked.
Posted by: CaliGirl at January 08, 2025 02:00 PM (+R1GT)
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An academic friend of mine had a girl in his research group who claimed to have been molested (or whatever) by a different member of his group.
My friend was sympathetic, but not enough to suit her. So she then alleged that my friend had molested her too. (Nothing could be more ridiculous if you knew my friend.)
Now my friend is in the soup too. She goes to the dean, who is sympathetic, but again not enough to suit her, and then she alleged that the effing dean molested her too.
That tore it.
Posted by: CaliGirl at January 08, 2025 02:00 PM (+R1GT)
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An academic friend of mine had a girl in his research group who claimed to have been molested (or whatever) by a different member of his group.
My friend was sympathetic, but not enough to suit her. So she then alleged that my friend had molested her too. (Nothing could be more ridiculous if you knew my friend.)
Now my friend is in the soup too. She goes to the dean, who is sympathetic, but again not enough to suit her, and then she alleged that the effing dean molested her too.
That tore it.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:05 PM (YqDXo)
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O/T - I had a Wells Fargo bank business account that got swallowed by Chase during Obummer's first term. It came with all of the bennies WF had including no credit card fees, no checking account fees and a credit card 1% kick back for using it.
I'm guessing on 1/1/2025 Chase changed a few things and one of them is was not allowing my Brave browser to access their banking website. I'm going to miss the bennies and I sure do hate Chase.
I'm guessing on 1/1/2025 Chase changed a few things and one of them is was not allowing my Brave browser to access their banking website. I'm going to miss the bennies and I sure do hate Chase.
Posted by: DanMan at January 08, 2025 02:06 PM (8uzBS)
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151 In 1960, NY was the most populous state in the US.
Now it's fourth.
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Now do IL, MI, OH, CT, MA, and CA. See why Yankees are into running slaves, yet?
Now it's fourth.
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Now do IL, MI, OH, CT, MA, and CA. See why Yankees are into running slaves, yet?
Posted by: pudinhead at January 08, 2025 02:06 PM (jFCkp)
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If I told you that I don't believe any major metro area's elections should be believed for the past 50 years, I'd probably be guilty of an insurrection.
So I won't say it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:02 PM (GBKbO)
I agree. I joke about it, but I'm definitely moving in to "everything is fake and gay" territory.
We can't trust any of our institutions. And there is way too much money / power / influence / potential jail time for people at stake for me to believe that the people in power don't pull every dirty trick in the book to stay in power.
Stealing elections seems like a no brainer. As does getting compromising information on anyone running for any kind of office anywhere in the country, and using that to blackmail them in to doing what they want.
At this point, why should we trust that any election, government data or poll is real? And if we can't trust that, well... most of what we know to be true may not actually be true.
So I won't say it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:02 PM (GBKbO)
I agree. I joke about it, but I'm definitely moving in to "everything is fake and gay" territory.
We can't trust any of our institutions. And there is way too much money / power / influence / potential jail time for people at stake for me to believe that the people in power don't pull every dirty trick in the book to stay in power.
Stealing elections seems like a no brainer. As does getting compromising information on anyone running for any kind of office anywhere in the country, and using that to blackmail them in to doing what they want.
At this point, why should we trust that any election, government data or poll is real? And if we can't trust that, well... most of what we know to be true may not actually be true.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 02:06 PM (uCjyK)
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I had a Wells Fargo bank business account that got swallowed by Chase during Obummer's first term. It came with all of the bennies WF had including no credit card fees, no checking account fees and a credit card 1% kick back for using it.
I'm guessing on 1/1/2025 Chase changed a few things and one of them is was not allowing my Brave browser to access their banking website. I'm going to miss the bennies and I sure do hate Chase.
Posted by: DanMan
But you still like the raisins from Fresno, right/
I'm guessing on 1/1/2025 Chase changed a few things and one of them is was not allowing my Brave browser to access their banking website. I'm going to miss the bennies and I sure do hate Chase.
Posted by: DanMan
But you still like the raisins from Fresno, right/
Posted by: Bulg at January 08, 2025 02:07 PM (77rzZ)
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My friend was sympathetic, but not enough to suit her. So she then alleged that my friend had molested her too. (Nothing could be more ridiculous if you knew my friend.)
Now my friend is in the soup too. She goes to the dean, who is sympathetic, but again not enough to suit her, and then she alleged that the effing dean molested her too.
That tore it.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:05 PM (YqDXo)
It is the severity of the charges that matters, not the nature of the evidence.
Now my friend is in the soup too. She goes to the dean, who is sympathetic, but again not enough to suit her, and then she alleged that the effing dean molested her too.
That tore it.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:05 PM (YqDXo)
It is the severity of the charges that matters, not the nature of the evidence.
Posted by: they rapin everybody up in here at January 08, 2025 02:08 PM (ybSPO)
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Anyone who trots out the "Believe all women" bullshit has never been to Family Court.
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 02:08 PM (E5pD7)
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232 It is the severity of the charges that matters, not the nature of the evidence.
Posted by: they rapin everybody up in here at January 08, 2025 02:08 PM (ybSPO)
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It's David French!
Posted by: they rapin everybody up in here at January 08, 2025 02:08 PM (ybSPO)
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It's David French!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:08 PM (GBKbO)
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233 Anyone who trots out the "Believe all women" bullshit has never been to Family Court.
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 02:08 PM (E5pD7)
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"Women would bring world peace if they ruled our nations. Also Maggie Thatcher was a warmonger tyrant."
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 02:08 PM (E5pD7)
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"Women would bring world peace if they ruled our nations. Also Maggie Thatcher was a warmonger tyrant."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:09 PM (GBKbO)
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Now my friend is in the soup too. She goes to the dean, who is sympathetic, but again not enough to suit her, and then she alleged that the effing dean molested her too.
That tore it.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:05 PM
They also lie because crazy and attention.
Now my friend is in the soup too. She goes to the dean, who is sympathetic, but again not enough to suit her, and then she alleged that the effing dean molested her too.
That tore it.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:05 PM
They also lie because crazy and attention.
Posted by: CaliGirl at January 08, 2025 02:09 PM (+R1GT)
Posted by: Pete Hegseth at January 08, 2025 02:09 PM (KoNQY)
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If I told you that I don't believe any major metro area's elections should be believed for the past 50 years, I'd probably be guilty of an insurrection.
I've been in Boston, NYC, LA, SF, and Philly. You can believe their results - their populations are that bat-shit insane.
I've been in Boston, NYC, LA, SF, and Philly. You can believe their results - their populations are that bat-shit insane.
Posted by: Taking Notice at January 08, 2025 02:09 PM (AsopM)
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234 232 It is the severity of the charges that matters, not the nature of the evidence.
Posted by: they rapin everybody up in here at January 08, 2025 02:08 PM (ybSPO)
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It's David French!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:08 PM (GBKbO)
Now do Hilary Clinton and the Biden family...
Oh wait, different rules apply...
Posted by: they rapin everybody up in here at January 08, 2025 02:08 PM (ybSPO)
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It's David French!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:08 PM (GBKbO)
Now do Hilary Clinton and the Biden family...
Oh wait, different rules apply...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 02:10 PM (ynpvh)
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233 Anyone who trots out the "Believe all women" bullshit has never been to Family Court.
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Or have watched two or moar installments of the Hen House of Hate known as The View.
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Or have watched two or moar installments of the Hen House of Hate known as The View.
Posted by: pudinhead at January 08, 2025 02:10 PM (jFCkp)
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And Trump was going to put someone from the FEC on the stand but Merchan banned him from discussing the relevant law.
Posted by: Inogame
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Worse yet, Merchan told the jury what federal election law was despite the fact he was unqualified to do so. Essentially Merchan served as an expert witness for Alvin Bragg's junk FEC bootstrapping.
Posted by: Inogame
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Worse yet, Merchan told the jury what federal election law was despite the fact he was unqualified to do so. Essentially Merchan served as an expert witness for Alvin Bragg's junk FEC bootstrapping.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 02:10 PM (ctrM5)
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238 I've been in Boston, NYC, LA, SF, and Philly. You can believe their results - their populations are that bat-shit insane.
Posted by: Taking Notice at January 08, 2025 02:09 PM (AsopM)
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I forget who makes the comment, but Philly is rife with drug zombies ambling their streets in certain areas.
And they're all devoted voters who turn out every election.
Posted by: Taking Notice at January 08, 2025 02:09 PM (AsopM)
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I forget who makes the comment, but Philly is rife with drug zombies ambling their streets in certain areas.
And they're all devoted voters who turn out every election.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:10 PM (GBKbO)
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But you still like the raisins from Fresno, right/
Posted by: Bulg at January 08, 2025 02:07 PM (77rzZ)
As any good man would ...
Posted by: Bulg at January 08, 2025 02:07 PM (77rzZ)
As any good man would ...
Posted by: Big Raisin at January 08, 2025 02:10 PM (TTAGa)
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We can't trust any of our institutions. And there is way too much money / power / influence / potential jail time for people at stake for me to believe that the people in power don't pull every dirty trick in the book to stay in power.
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One of the problems is that our diverse friends lack the intellect to actually observe the rule of law. They know whom they want to get, and are happy to bend or break the rule of law to get them.
Which, of course, is why their countries of origin are shitholes. Their relatives do the same thing there.
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One of the problems is that our diverse friends lack the intellect to actually observe the rule of law. They know whom they want to get, and are happy to bend or break the rule of law to get them.
Which, of course, is why their countries of origin are shitholes. Their relatives do the same thing there.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:10 PM (YqDXo)
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At this point, why should we trust that any election, government data or poll is real? And if we can't trust that, well... most of what we know to be true may not actually be true.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 02:06 PM (uCjyK)
I feel the same way. If they can't get the little things right why would I trust them with anything important?
At this point, why should we trust that any election, government data or poll is real? And if we can't trust that, well... most of what we know to be true may not actually be true.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 02:06 PM (uCjyK)
I feel the same way. If they can't get the little things right why would I trust them with anything important?
Posted by: CaliGirl at January 08, 2025 02:10 PM (+R1GT)
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"Women would bring world peace if they ruled our nations. Also Maggie Thatcher was a warmonger tyrant."
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Let's not speak of Bloody Mary or Hillary Clinton.
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Let's not speak of Bloody Mary or Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: pudinhead at January 08, 2025 02:11 PM (jFCkp)
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My head is burning, my heart is burning, now, Rome shall burn!
Posted by: Chubby As Emperor Nero at January 08, 2025 02:11 PM (G5+As)
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I saw Hen House of Hate open for Cage the Elephant at the Cow Palace back in 2018 !
Posted by: runner at January 08, 2025 02:11 PM (g47mK)
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Supreme Court could rule that Trump has to be impeached and removed to be subject to a state court judgement.
Posted by: torabora at January 08, 2025 01:55 PM (0Gnoc)
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That the Supreme Court could order a separate branch of government to conduct one of their big functions would be a new one on me.
I know that the left would be on TV 24/7 convincing everyone that this is right-doggone it! This IS the process. You must hate America.
But not for anyone who 1) cares and 2) has spent much time reading the Federalist Papers.
Posted by: torabora at January 08, 2025 01:55 PM (0Gnoc)
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That the Supreme Court could order a separate branch of government to conduct one of their big functions would be a new one on me.
I know that the left would be on TV 24/7 convincing everyone that this is right-doggone it! This IS the process. You must hate America.
But not for anyone who 1) cares and 2) has spent much time reading the Federalist Papers.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 02:11 PM (krQz2)
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243 But you still like the raisins from Fresno, right/
Posted by: Bulg at January 08, 2025 02:07 PM (77rzZ)
As any good man would ...
Posted by: Big Raisin at January 08, 2025 02:10 PM (TTAGa)
Buy our organic garlic!
Posted by: Bulg at January 08, 2025 02:07 PM (77rzZ)
As any good man would ...
Posted by: Big Raisin at January 08, 2025 02:10 PM (TTAGa)
Buy our organic garlic!
Posted by: Garlic from China, Now with Less Fecal Smell at January 08, 2025 02:11 PM (ynpvh)
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Worse yet, Merchan told the jury what federal election law was despite the fact he was unqualified to do so. Essentially Merchan served as an expert witness for Alvin Bragg's junk FEC bootstrapping.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 02:10 PM (ctrM5)
Think Milo O'Shea's judge in "The Verdict" but 100x worse.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 02:10 PM (ctrM5)
Think Milo O'Shea's judge in "The Verdict" but 100x worse.
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 08, 2025 02:12 PM (ZlOcj)
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Merchan says he isn't going to have a sentence of jail time because, he says, it is not practicable. The Constitution is pretty clear that some local judge cannot put a President in jail.
I suspect he does something like fine him eleventy zillion dollars x 34 payable at the finance desk at the end of the hall before he can be released.
I suspect he does something like fine him eleventy zillion dollars x 34 payable at the finance desk at the end of the hall before he can be released.
Posted by: blaster at January 08, 2025 02:12 PM (xhfG9)
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One of the problems is that our diverse friends lack the intellect to actually observe the rule of law. They know whom they want to get, and are happy to bend or break the rule of law to get them.
Which, of course, is why their countries of origin are shitholes. Their relatives do the same thing there.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:10 PM (YqDXo)
I do tend to agree that a justice system built for a high trust society does not tend to function well in a low trust society. Especially when the people in the justice system are often people who recently arrived from even lower trust societies.
Which, of course, is why their countries of origin are shitholes. Their relatives do the same thing there.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:10 PM (YqDXo)
I do tend to agree that a justice system built for a high trust society does not tend to function well in a low trust society. Especially when the people in the justice system are often people who recently arrived from even lower trust societies.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 02:12 PM (uCjyK)
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"Women would bring world peace if they ruled our nations. Also Maggie Thatcher was a warmonger tyrant."
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Also: Gender is so made up.
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Also: Gender is so made up.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 02:13 PM (krQz2)
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"Women would bring world peace if they ruled our nations. Also Maggie Thatcher was a warmonger tyrant."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:09 PM (GBKbO)
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What do Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir, and Indira Ganghi all have in common?
All three were involved in wars.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:09 PM (GBKbO)
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What do Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir, and Indira Ganghi all have in common?
All three were involved in wars.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:13 PM (YqDXo)
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 02:13 PM (E5pD7)
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232 It is the severity of the charges that matters, not the nature of the evidence.
Posted by: they rapin everybody up in here
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I charge French with violations of the Mann Act (transporting Bulls across state lines immorally to roger his wife) and obtaining and watching cuck pron which is certainly patently offensive, lacks any serious literary, historical, scientific, or artistic value, and appeals only to his prurient interests.
Posted by: they rapin everybody up in here
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I charge French with violations of the Mann Act (transporting Bulls across state lines immorally to roger his wife) and obtaining and watching cuck pron which is certainly patently offensive, lacks any serious literary, historical, scientific, or artistic value, and appeals only to his prurient interests.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 02:13 PM (ctrM5)
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Off obnoxious sock
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 02:13 PM (ynpvh)
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>>One of the problems is that our diverse friends lack the intellect to actually observe the rule of law. They know whom they want to get, and are happy to bend or break the rule of law to get them.
I have tried warning against the evils of the Argument of Utility.
None would listen.
I have tried warning against the evils of the Argument of Utility.
None would listen.
Posted by: iKant at January 08, 2025 02:13 PM (obi3v)
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No Leftist believes Tara Read's story about Perv Joe finger banging her up against a wall.
Posted by: torabora at January 08, 2025 01:58 PM (0Gnoc)
Even though she has a date, a place, a time and contemporaneous witnesses. No one is above the chortle chortle!!
Posted by: torabora at January 08, 2025 01:58 PM (0Gnoc)
Even though she has a date, a place, a time and contemporaneous witnesses. No one is above the chortle chortle!!
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 02:14 PM (ik3nH)
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They were also not allowed to tell the jury she had made these types of allegations before... against other famous Men.
It's like she wears a 'Rape Me' sign.
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Well eventually it might get her 83 million dollars...
They were also not allowed to tell the jury she had made these types of allegations before... against other famous Men.
It's like she wears a 'Rape Me' sign.
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Well eventually it might get her 83 million dollars...
Posted by: I'm pretty sure she thinks 83 mil is sexy. It not like she accused a hobo at January 08, 2025 02:14 PM (KoNQY)
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I saw Hen House of Hate open for The Roosters at The Red Barn in '68.
Posted by: Bulg at January 08, 2025 02:14 PM (77rzZ)
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Worse yet, Merchan told the jury what federal election law was despite the fact he was unqualified to do so. Essentially Merchan served as an expert witness for Alvin Bragg's junk FEC bootstrapping.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 02:10 PM (ctrM5)
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Good point.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 02:10 PM (ctrM5)
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Good point.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 02:14 PM (krQz2)
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 02:14 PM (E5pD7)
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"Women would bring world peace if they ruled our nations."
Unless two female world leaders showed up wearing the same outfit.
Then it's WAR!
Unless two female world leaders showed up wearing the same outfit.
Then it's WAR!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:14 PM (YqDXo)
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260 No Leftist believes Tara Read's story about Perv Joe finger banging her up against a wall.
Posted by: torabora at January 08, 2025 01:58 PM (0Gnoc)
Even though she has a date, a place, a time and contemporaneous witnesses. No one is above the chortle chortle!!
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 02:14 PM (ik3nH)
Is it part of the Congressional Hush-hush fund?
Posted by: torabora at January 08, 2025 01:58 PM (0Gnoc)
Even though she has a date, a place, a time and contemporaneous witnesses. No one is above the chortle chortle!!
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 02:14 PM (ik3nH)
Is it part of the Congressional Hush-hush fund?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 02:14 PM (ynpvh)
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"Women would bring world peace if they ruled our nations. Also Maggie Thatcher was a warmonger tyrant."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:09 PM (GBKbO)
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What do Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir, and Indira Ganghi all have in common?
All three were involved in wars.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:13 PM (YqDXo)
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Hello?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:09 PM (GBKbO)
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What do Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir, and Indira Ganghi all have in common?
All three were involved in wars.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:13 PM (YqDXo)
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Hello?
Posted by: Katherine the Great at January 08, 2025 02:15 PM (krQz2)
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264 Do what we want or we'll kill you. - The Real Leftist Motto
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 02:14 PM (E5pD7)
Words to live by ...
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 02:14 PM (E5pD7)
Words to live by ...
Posted by: Achmed the Dead Terrorist at January 08, 2025 02:15 PM (TTAGa)
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Merchan is an invincibly smug monster. He has absolutely no fear of reprisal of any kind.
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 08, 2025 02:15 PM (ZlOcj)
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267 "Women would bring world peace if they ruled our nations. Also Maggie Thatcher was a warmonger tyrant."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:09 PM (GBKbO)
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What do Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir, and Indira Ganghi all have in common?
All three were involved in wars.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:13 PM (YqDXo)
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Hello?
Posted by: Katherine the Great at January 08, 2025 02:15 PM (krQz2)
I was gonna say they're all dead...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:09 PM (GBKbO)
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What do Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir, and Indira Ganghi all have in common?
All three were involved in wars.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:13 PM (YqDXo)
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Hello?
Posted by: Katherine the Great at January 08, 2025 02:15 PM (krQz2)
I was gonna say they're all dead...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 02:15 PM (ynpvh)
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 02:15 PM (E5pD7)
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Biden leaps into action!
California is literally on fire right now so of course Biden gave Ukraine more money
California is literally on fire right now so of course Biden gave Ukraine more money
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 08, 2025 02:16 PM (L/fGl)
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If I told you that I don't believe any major metro area's elections should be believed for the past 50 years, I'd probably be guilty of an insurrection.
So I won't say it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:02 PM (GBKbO)
I don't get it. But if I did, I would agree with you. So I won't say it either.
So I won't say it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:02 PM (GBKbO)
I don't get it. But if I did, I would agree with you. So I won't say it either.
Posted by: Doof at January 08, 2025 02:16 PM (Ad6AF)
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269 Merchan is an invincibly smug monster. He has absolutely no fear of reprisal of any kind.
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 08, 2025 02:15 PM (ZlOcj)
Little that can be done legally. At most, some higher court can smack his decisions around, but other than that, what?
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 08, 2025 02:15 PM (ZlOcj)
Little that can be done legally. At most, some higher court can smack his decisions around, but other than that, what?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 02:16 PM (ynpvh)
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267 "Women would bring world peace if they ruled our nations. Also Maggie Thatcher was a warmonger tyrant."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:09 PM (GBKbO)
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What do Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir, and Indira Ganghi all have in common?
All three were involved in wars.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:13 PM (YqDXo)
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Hello?
Posted by: Katherine the Great at January 08, 2025 02:15 PM (krQz2)
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If we're going to go back in history, Elizabeth I comes to mind.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:09 PM (GBKbO)
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What do Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir, and Indira Ganghi all have in common?
All three were involved in wars.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:13 PM (YqDXo)
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Hello?
Posted by: Katherine the Great at January 08, 2025 02:15 PM (krQz2)
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If we're going to go back in history, Elizabeth I comes to mind.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:16 PM (YqDXo)
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Only one sure way to know. The sniff test. Can't document a smell.
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 02:15 PM (E5pD7)
*Perks Up*
Only one sure way to know. The sniff test. Can't document a smell.
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 02:15 PM (E5pD7)
*Perks Up*
Posted by: FJB at January 08, 2025 02:17 PM (LxER7)
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273 I don't get it. But if I did, I would agree with you. So I won't say it either.
Posted by: Doof at January 08, 2025 02:16 PM (Ad6AF)
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Riddles wrapped in enigmas with a chocolate coating.
Posted by: Doof at January 08, 2025 02:16 PM (Ad6AF)
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Riddles wrapped in enigmas with a chocolate coating.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:17 PM (GBKbO)
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Trump's AG, presumably Bondi, needs to bring conspiracy charges against all of those coordinated lawfare cases against President Trump -- including treasonous & seditious scum in The Junta White House -- for Deprivation Of Rights Under Color Of Law.
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Didn't I hear that Fannie recently did admit there were documents showing evidence of coordination with the WH?
Or was that some Excitable juicing up the contempt ruling, which didn't say that at all?
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Didn't I hear that Fannie recently did admit there were documents showing evidence of coordination with the WH?
Or was that some Excitable juicing up the contempt ruling, which didn't say that at all?
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 08, 2025 02:17 PM (F3YAM)
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272 Biden leaps into action!
California is literally on fire right now so of course Biden gave Ukraine more money
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 08, 2025 02:16 PM (L/fGl)
Fires in Kali caused by Global Warming.
Money given to Keeeeev fights Global warming.
Therefore, Money given to Keeeev fights Kali fires...
California is literally on fire right now so of course Biden gave Ukraine more money
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 08, 2025 02:16 PM (L/fGl)
Fires in Kali caused by Global Warming.
Money given to Keeeeev fights Global warming.
Therefore, Money given to Keeeev fights Kali fires...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 02:17 PM (ynpvh)
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The WSJ lives in a fantasy land that the J6 juries and judges were fair to the defendants. "Some J6ers feel they were ramrodded through the system, so they had no choice but to plead guilty." Yes, WSJ, that's what they felt. Prosecutors piled on charges, they faced hostile judges and juries. In DC, they vote 95% Democrat
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 08, 2025 02:17 PM (b1jGp)
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Do what we want or we'll kill you. - The Real Leftist Motto
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 02:14 PM (E5pD7)
Correct. We also would have accepted:
Do what we want AND we'll kill you.
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 02:14 PM (E5pD7)
Correct. We also would have accepted:
Do what we want AND we'll kill you.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 02:17 PM (ik3nH)
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Nobody but some leftist women believe that we would have world peace if women were in charge.
It's just a convenient phrase to trot out,
Of course the fact that we've had some real stinkers in charge who happen to be men doesn't mean that men should never be in charge again.
It's just a convenient phrase to trot out,
Of course the fact that we've had some real stinkers in charge who happen to be men doesn't mean that men should never be in charge again.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 08, 2025 02:17 PM (58Nxm)
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Biden getting briefed on the fires by the different fire department bosses. Joe is a mannequin. And none of those fire folks have the balls to go kick Newsome in the nuts.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 08, 2025 02:18 PM (W/lyH)
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Guys, guys.
Gender is made up and women would bring World Peace.
Leftism doesn't take any lip from reality.
Gender is made up and women would bring World Peace.
Leftism doesn't take any lip from reality.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 02:18 PM (krQz2)
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At this point, why should we trust that any election, government data or poll is real? And if we can't trust that, well... most of what we know to be true may not actually be true.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
I feel the same way. If they can't get the little things right why would I trust them with anything important?
Posted by: CaliGirl
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More or less, on things you care about, you have to treat all news as probabilistic. Adapting evidentiary rules of procedure help sort the wheat from the chaff.
At this point, why should we trust that any election, government data or poll is real? And if we can't trust that, well... most of what we know to be true may not actually be true.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
I feel the same way. If they can't get the little things right why would I trust them with anything important?
Posted by: CaliGirl
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More or less, on things you care about, you have to treat all news as probabilistic. Adapting evidentiary rules of procedure help sort the wheat from the chaff.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 02:18 PM (ctrM5)
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280 The WSJ lives in a fantasy land that the J6 juries and judges were fair to the defendants. "Some J6ers feel they were ramrodded through the system, so they had no choice but to plead guilty." Yes, WSJ, that's what they felt. Prosecutors piled on charges, they faced hostile judges and juries. In DC, they vote 95% Democrat
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 08, 2025 02:17 PM (b1jGp)
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"The normal pattern that people have noticed how DOJ attorneys get such high conviction rates could not possibly apply to 1/6 cases which were infused with political importance by the political appointees directing the work of the DOJ."
-WSJ, I guess
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 08, 2025 02:17 PM (b1jGp)
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"The normal pattern that people have noticed how DOJ attorneys get such high conviction rates could not possibly apply to 1/6 cases which were infused with political importance by the political appointees directing the work of the DOJ."
-WSJ, I guess
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:18 PM (GBKbO)
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I treat all news as false. And on the occasions I don't I generally regret it quickly.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 02:19 PM (ik3nH)
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280 The WSJ lives in a fantasy land that the J6 juries and judges were fair to the defendants. "Some J6ers feel they were ramrodded through the system, so they had no choice but to plead guilty." Yes, WSJ, that's what they felt. Prosecutors piled on charges, they faced hostile judges and juries. In DC, they vote 95% Democrat
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 08, 2025 02:17 PM (b1jGp)
Withholding of exculpating evidence by the Gov, said withholding approved by leftist Judges...
Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at January 08, 2025 02:17 PM (b1jGp)
Withholding of exculpating evidence by the Gov, said withholding approved by leftist Judges...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 02:19 PM (ynpvh)
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Nobody but some leftist women believe that we would have world peace if women were in charge.
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Apparently they've never observed women in the workplace. Some of the bitterest feuds I've ever seen were between women.
Men who don't get along tend to just avoid each other.
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Apparently they've never observed women in the workplace. Some of the bitterest feuds I've ever seen were between women.
Men who don't get along tend to just avoid each other.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:19 PM (YqDXo)
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Any chance NYC loses electric power for a week or two?
Posted by: pudinhead at January 08, 2025 02:19 PM (jFCkp)
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281 Do what we want or we'll kill you. - The Real Leftist Motto
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 02:14 PM (E5pD7)
Correct. We also would have accepted:
Do what we want AND we'll kill you.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 02:17 PM (ik3nH)
Leftists or Muzzies?
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 02:14 PM (E5pD7)
Correct. We also would have accepted:
Do what we want AND we'll kill you.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 02:17 PM (ik3nH)
Leftists or Muzzies?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 02:19 PM (ynpvh)
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and obtaining and watching cuck pron which is certainly patently offensive, lacks any serious literary, historical, scientific, or artistic value, and appeals only to his prurient interests.
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We object!!!!
The Trudeaus, and Bill Kristol
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We object!!!!
The Trudeaus, and Bill Kristol
Posted by: Ahoy!!! at January 08, 2025 02:20 PM (KoNQY)
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Hey did we ever get the identities of all the women and girls.... I mean victims... that this man-hater shot?
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 02:20 PM (ik3nH)
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DD#3 lost most of her friends her senior year in High School because one of her "friends" pulled this same crap on a boy they both knew.
Girl was caught by her mother, promptly told her mother that the kid had raped her, mother believed her daughter was pure as the driven snow (I know, because said woman had come TO OUR HOUSE to confront our daughter about "spreading lies" about her precious angel, who just had a lot of heavy periods [***cough, cough***Plan B pill***] and had never had sex with anyone, no sirree Bob), so the mother filed statutory rape charges against this young man.
DD#3 absolutely refused to "support" this girl, and was apparently quite vocal about it - she knew this girl was the HS bicycle, and she knew full well that anything that happened was consensual. All of their mutual friends shunned my daughter for not going along with the fiction.
I told my daughter that she had done the right thing by supporting the young man in that situation. I also told her that I was very proud of her for standing up for what was RIGHT.
Girl was caught by her mother, promptly told her mother that the kid had raped her, mother believed her daughter was pure as the driven snow (I know, because said woman had come TO OUR HOUSE to confront our daughter about "spreading lies" about her precious angel, who just had a lot of heavy periods [***cough, cough***Plan B pill***] and had never had sex with anyone, no sirree Bob), so the mother filed statutory rape charges against this young man.
DD#3 absolutely refused to "support" this girl, and was apparently quite vocal about it - she knew this girl was the HS bicycle, and she knew full well that anything that happened was consensual. All of their mutual friends shunned my daughter for not going along with the fiction.
I told my daughter that she had done the right thing by supporting the young man in that situation. I also told her that I was very proud of her for standing up for what was RIGHT.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - Ace of Spades Ladies Brigade, plucky comic relief at January 08, 2025 02:20 PM (SRRAx)
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Guys, guys.
Gender is made up and women would bring World Peace.
Leftism doesn't take any lip from reality.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 02:18 PM (krQz2)
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DEI improves performance and profitability.
Sure.
Gender is made up and women would bring World Peace.
Leftism doesn't take any lip from reality.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 02:18 PM (krQz2)
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DEI improves performance and profitability.
Sure.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:20 PM (YqDXo)
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VOTE VANCE!
Posted by: Sid at January 08, 2025 02:20 PM (B0XNT)
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"Women would bring world peace if they ruled our nations."
Bullshit. And I don't want a woman in the presidency. Maggie Thatcher was an anomaly. Look at Harris or Clinton... Neither one was in any way qualified to serve as President. And on the Republican side? Nicki Haley? Seriously? She wasn't qualified to be governor of the state that stupidly elected her!
No female president. Just no.
Bullshit. And I don't want a woman in the presidency. Maggie Thatcher was an anomaly. Look at Harris or Clinton... Neither one was in any way qualified to serve as President. And on the Republican side? Nicki Haley? Seriously? She wasn't qualified to be governor of the state that stupidly elected her!
No female president. Just no.
Posted by: Madame Mayhem (uppity wench) at January 08, 2025 02:20 PM (4XwPj)
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"The normal pattern that people have noticed how DOJ attorneys get such high conviction rates could not possibly apply to 1/6 cases which were infused with political importance by the political appointees directing the work of the DOJ."
-WSJ, I guess
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:18 PM (GBKbO)
No, no, the reason federal prosecutors win something like 97% of the cases they bring to trial is because they only arrest guilty people. They're that good, they never make mistakes.
The reason so many people plead guilty is because they're guilty.
(or is that not the talking point of the day? I get confused, it shifts so often.)
-WSJ, I guess
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:18 PM (GBKbO)
No, no, the reason federal prosecutors win something like 97% of the cases they bring to trial is because they only arrest guilty people. They're that good, they never make mistakes.
The reason so many people plead guilty is because they're guilty.
(or is that not the talking point of the day? I get confused, it shifts so often.)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 02:21 PM (uCjyK)
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Biden will presented with a Playskool firefighter hat and a Tonka toy fire engine at the briefing today.
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 02:21 PM (E5pD7)
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287 I treat all news as false. And on the occasions I don't I generally regret it quickly.
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I go 180 degrees in the opposite direction when I hear 'news'. This is usually the only way to figure out what is going on.
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I go 180 degrees in the opposite direction when I hear 'news'. This is usually the only way to figure out what is going on.
Posted by: pudinhead at January 08, 2025 02:21 PM (jFCkp)
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298 No, no, the reason federal prosecutors win something like 97% of the cases they bring to trial is because they only arrest guilty people. They're that good, they never make mistakes.
The reason so many people plead guilty is because they're guilty.
(or is that not the talking point of the day? I get confused, it shifts so often.)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 02:21 PM (uCjyK)
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Unless the people are black, then it's racism.
The reason so many people plead guilty is because they're guilty.
(or is that not the talking point of the day? I get confused, it shifts so often.)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 02:21 PM (uCjyK)
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Unless the people are black, then it's racism.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:21 PM (GBKbO)
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295 Guys, guys.
Gender is made up and women would bring World Peace.
Leftism doesn't take any lip from reality.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 02:18 PM (krQz2)
__________________
DEI improves performance and profitability.
Sure.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:20 PM (YqDXo)
I'd say profanity, but doesn't do a good job their either.
Gender is made up and women would bring World Peace.
Leftism doesn't take any lip from reality.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 02:18 PM (krQz2)
__________________
DEI improves performance and profitability.
Sure.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:20 PM (YqDXo)
I'd say profanity, but doesn't do a good job their either.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 02:21 PM (ynpvh)
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Merchan is an invincibly smug monster. He has absolutely no fear of reprisal of any kind.
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 08, 2025 02:15 PM (ZlOcj)
Well, nobody knows better than a judge how tightly the system is rigged. Lead pipe cinch. Zero accountability for Party men - and Trump's election doesn't change that.
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 08, 2025 02:15 PM (ZlOcj)
Well, nobody knows better than a judge how tightly the system is rigged. Lead pipe cinch. Zero accountability for Party men - and Trump's election doesn't change that.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 08, 2025 02:21 PM (BI5O2)
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Didn't I hear that Fannie recently did admit there were documents showing evidence of coordination with the WH?
Or was that some Excitable juicing up the contempt ruling, which didn't say that at all?
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
Nope, Honeycum Wade did in a separate hearing as to his multiple trips to DC. Fani is under contempt of court for failing to give testimony to a GA State Committee and also for violating Georgia's Open Records Act.
Now that Kemp has no way to weasel into national power, the Georgia AG and GA Court system is FINALLY moving to strip Fani of her prosecutorial powers, etc. and the fact that the COA has suspended her prosecuting Trump and Co along with the contempt of court ruling, may make Fani an ex prosecutor unless she capitulates.
Or was that some Excitable juicing up the contempt ruling, which didn't say that at all?
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
Nope, Honeycum Wade did in a separate hearing as to his multiple trips to DC. Fani is under contempt of court for failing to give testimony to a GA State Committee and also for violating Georgia's Open Records Act.
Now that Kemp has no way to weasel into national power, the Georgia AG and GA Court system is FINALLY moving to strip Fani of her prosecutorial powers, etc. and the fact that the COA has suspended her prosecuting Trump and Co along with the contempt of court ruling, may make Fani an ex prosecutor unless she capitulates.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 02:22 PM (ctrM5)
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Men just get power and use it to screw their enemies. It's less overtly catty but really the same stupid shit playing dress up.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 02:22 PM (ik3nH)
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Fires in Kali caused by Global Warming.
Money given to Keeeeev fights Global warming.
Therefore, Money given to Keeeev fights Kali fires...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 02:17 PM (ynpvh)
Bestest part? War produces a Yuge amount of CO2. From vehicles, to ammo, to destruction and burning of buildings and the environment...
If you actually believed in Man Made CO2 causing Globull warmering, you would be anti war.
Money given to Keeeeev fights Global warming.
Therefore, Money given to Keeeev fights Kali fires...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 02:17 PM (ynpvh)
Bestest part? War produces a Yuge amount of CO2. From vehicles, to ammo, to destruction and burning of buildings and the environment...
If you actually believed in Man Made CO2 causing Globull warmering, you would be anti war.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 08, 2025 02:22 PM (QAkQ3)
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Man oh man,, this vacation has been great! Warm weather, low humidity, you know a dry heat. Lots of old friends around, oh look! There's my buddy Benito! HEY BENNY ~*waves arms frantically*~ Is that you Benny?1/?,, It's me, JIMMY!1!!
LETS DANCE!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kPhZaHoLdc
LETS DANCE!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kPhZaHoLdc
Posted by: Zombie Jimmy Carter at January 08, 2025 02:22 PM (c0tJM)
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Posted by: Sid at January 08, 2025 02:20 PM (B0XNT)
Not only did the Biden family do this, but also their dealings with Ukraine and China... Good point!
Posted by: Sid at January 08, 2025 02:20 PM (B0XNT)
Not only did the Biden family do this, but also their dealings with Ukraine and China... Good point!
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 02:22 PM (ynpvh)
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Merchan says he isn't going to have a sentence of jail time because, he says, it is not practicable. The Constitution is pretty clear that some local judge cannot put a President in jail.
I suspect he does something like fine him eleventy zillion dollars x 34 payable at the finance desk at the end of the hall before he can be released.
Posted by: blaster at January 08, 2025 02:12 PM (xhfG9)
Meh. He's going to sentence him to something or other, some legal gobbledeegook, that amounts to "you're bad, but no jail for you!"
Whatever. And Trump will leave court, talk about how stupid the stupid judge and his stupid court is, but then the chattering classes will have their narrative: Trump, convicted felon, was sentenced...
All theater, adding up to nothing other than everyone continuing to behave as if there are no adults in charge of anything.
I suspect he does something like fine him eleventy zillion dollars x 34 payable at the finance desk at the end of the hall before he can be released.
Posted by: blaster at January 08, 2025 02:12 PM (xhfG9)
Meh. He's going to sentence him to something or other, some legal gobbledeegook, that amounts to "you're bad, but no jail for you!"
Whatever. And Trump will leave court, talk about how stupid the stupid judge and his stupid court is, but then the chattering classes will have their narrative: Trump, convicted felon, was sentenced...
All theater, adding up to nothing other than everyone continuing to behave as if there are no adults in charge of anything.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2025 02:22 PM (dGCAG)
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304 Now that Kemp has no way to weasel into national power, the Georgia AG and GA Court system is FINALLY moving to strip Fani of her prosecutorial powers, etc. and the fact that the COA has suspended her prosecuting Trump and Co along with the contempt of court ruling, may make Fani an ex prosecutor unless she capitulates.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 02:22 PM (ctrM5)
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Fani is going to win her next election from a jail cell.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 02:22 PM (ctrM5)
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Fani is going to win her next election from a jail cell.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:22 PM (GBKbO)
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If you actually believed in Man Made CO2 causing Globull warmering, you would be anti war.
the antiwar left evaporated into space back around 2008
the antiwar left evaporated into space back around 2008
Posted by: brak at January 08, 2025 02:23 PM (jGJov)
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311 If you actually believed in Man Made CO2 causing Globull warmering, you would be anti war.
the antiwar left evaporated into space back around 2008
Posted by: brak at January 08, 2025 02:23 PM (jGJov)
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"Where did everybody go?"
-Cindy Sheehan
the antiwar left evaporated into space back around 2008
Posted by: brak at January 08, 2025 02:23 PM (jGJov)
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"Where did everybody go?"
-Cindy Sheehan
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:23 PM (GBKbO)
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Trump can stop this giving Ukes $$$ nonsense by saying that every penny given since 11/5 he will expect back - with interest !
Posted by: runner at January 08, 2025 02:23 PM (g47mK)
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Merchan is an invincibly smug monster. He has absolutely no fear of reprisal of any kind.
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 08, 2025 02:15 PM (ZlOcj)
Let the lawfare fly... Malicious Political prosecution, and Taking a Civil Right under Cover of Law.
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 08, 2025 02:15 PM (ZlOcj)
Let the lawfare fly... Malicious Political prosecution, and Taking a Civil Right under Cover of Law.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 08, 2025 02:24 PM (QAkQ3)
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But how will the fires affect pride month? Or Carter's funeral?
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with festive little caps and interpretive dance. at January 08, 2025 02:24 PM (FVO67)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:24 PM (YqDXo)
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>>296 Who cares if the president is a traitor who stole classified documents to sell to Putin? Putting immigrants on train cars is far more important!
Posted by: Sid at January 08, 2025 02:20 PM (B0XNT)
While it is important to minimize carbon footprints of immigrants, but I don't think we have many passenger trains going from NYC to Guatemala, so it'll probably have to be buses or planes. Or maybe ships. Maybe we can repurpose some old cruise ships! That would be a nice send off. You might be on to something here, Sid.
Posted by: Sid at January 08, 2025 02:20 PM (B0XNT)
While it is important to minimize carbon footprints of immigrants, but I don't think we have many passenger trains going from NYC to Guatemala, so it'll probably have to be buses or planes. Or maybe ships. Maybe we can repurpose some old cruise ships! That would be a nice send off. You might be on to something here, Sid.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 02:24 PM (uCjyK)
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299 Biden will presented with a Playskool firefighter hat and a Tonka toy fire engine at the briefing today.
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 02:21 PM (E5pD7)
Hunter took the fire hose part. Seemed he thought it might be useful recreationally...
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 02:21 PM (E5pD7)
Hunter took the fire hose part. Seemed he thought it might be useful recreationally...
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 02:24 PM (ynpvh)
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Our entire legal system is chock full of the "reasonable person" standard. It's everywhere. But as the political mind virus continues to ravage vast swathes of the population, the "reasonable person" on average becomes extremely unreasonable. As Judges, DAs, and juries become more and more insane, the sane will be increasingly persecuted. This is how civilizations fall.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (Odg76)
This. It's evident everywhere you look.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 08, 2025 01:35 PM (Odg76)
This. It's evident everywhere you look.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at January 08, 2025 02:24 PM (g8Ew8)
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Thatcher was nominally on our side and had a lot of the right things going for her, but was more England's Obama than Reagan. She broke the working class.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 02:24 PM (ik3nH)
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If you actually believed in Man Made CO2 causing Globull warmering, you would be anti war.
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I believe in gerbil warming.
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I believe in gerbil warming.
Posted by: Richard Gere at January 08, 2025 02:24 PM (krQz2)
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I told my daughter that she had done the right thing by supporting the young man in that situation. I also told her that I was very proud of her for standing up for what was RIGHT.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - Ace of Spades Ladies Brigade, plucky comic relief at January 08, 2025 02:20 PM (SRRAx)
You raised a good one. Thankfully your daughter spoke up.
I told my daughter that she had done the right thing by supporting the young man in that situation. I also told her that I was very proud of her for standing up for what was RIGHT.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas - Ace of Spades Ladies Brigade, plucky comic relief at January 08, 2025 02:20 PM (SRRAx)
You raised a good one. Thankfully your daughter spoke up.
Posted by: CaliGirl at January 08, 2025 02:24 PM (+R1GT)
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Fani is going to win her next election from a jail cell.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:22 PM (GBKbO)
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Propelled by her diverse electorate.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:22 PM (GBKbO)
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Propelled by her diverse electorate.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:24 PM (YqDXo)
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 02:25 PM (ik3nH)
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Because we all know that with Uke $$$, 60% is going into to the members of the Military Industrial complex, and 40% is going to the lobbyists who arranged for the transfer.
Posted by: runner at January 08, 2025 02:25 PM (g47mK)
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Thatcher was nominally on our side and had a lot of the right things going for her, but was more England's Obama than Reagan. She broke the working class.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 02:24 PM (ik3nH)
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I disagree. She broke the Labour grip on the working class and on the economy, which is why the Left despised her.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 02:24 PM (ik3nH)
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I disagree. She broke the Labour grip on the working class and on the economy, which is why the Left despised her.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:26 PM (YqDXo)
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*going to the
Posted by: runner at January 08, 2025 02:26 PM (g47mK)
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325 Because we all know that with Uke $$$, 60% is going into to the members of the Military Industrial complex, and 40% is going to the lobbyists who arranged for the transfer.
Posted by: runner at January 08, 2025 02:25 PM (g47mK)
10% for the big guy.
Posted by: runner at January 08, 2025 02:25 PM (g47mK)
10% for the big guy.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 02:26 PM (ynpvh)
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299 Biden will presented with a Playskool firefighter hat and a Tonka toy fire engine at the briefing today.
Posted by: sifty boones
Joe is holding out for a ride in Squad 51.
Posted by: sifty boones
Joe is holding out for a ride in Squad 51.
Posted by: Firefighter Marco Lopez at January 08, 2025 02:26 PM (G5+As)
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I told my daughter that she had done the right thing by supporting the young man in that situation. I also told her that I was very proud of her for standing up for what was RIGHT.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas
Wow, good for her. And kudos to you for raising such a good kid.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas
Wow, good for her. And kudos to you for raising such a good kid.
Posted by: Bulg at January 08, 2025 02:26 PM (77rzZ)
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Unless the people are black, then it's racism.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:21 PM (GBKbO)
Yes, in that case then the high conviction rate is due to racist prosecutors dramatically overcharging people and threatening them with 20-30 years in jail (plus hundreds of thousands in trial costs, or you get some overworked schlub from the public defenders office who REALLY doesnt have the time or inclination for a jury trial) due to mandatory minimums for the exaggerated charges if they don't take the plea.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:21 PM (GBKbO)
Yes, in that case then the high conviction rate is due to racist prosecutors dramatically overcharging people and threatening them with 20-30 years in jail (plus hundreds of thousands in trial costs, or you get some overworked schlub from the public defenders office who REALLY doesnt have the time or inclination for a jury trial) due to mandatory minimums for the exaggerated charges if they don't take the plea.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 02:26 PM (uCjyK)
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If we're going to go back in history, Elizabeth I comes to mind.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
Oh sure, the latecomer copycat.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
Oh sure, the latecomer copycat.
Posted by: Boudicca at January 08, 2025 02:27 PM (xesY+)
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sid is David French, no ?
Posted by: runner at January 08, 2025 02:27 PM (g47mK)
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So Trump's only play is to not participate in the proceedings? Announced that the entire thing was a political hit job with a complicit jury? I can't think of anything else he could do. The worst reaction is probably to show up and take the verdict in person.
Posted by: Roberto at January 08, 2025 02:27 PM (QUC63)
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I told my daughter that she had done the right thing by supporting the young man in that situation. I also told her that I was very proud of her for standing up for what was RIGHT.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas
Wow, good for her. And kudos to you for raising such a good kid.
Posted by: Bulg at January 08, 2025 02:26 PM (77rzZ)
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Seconded!
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas
Wow, good for her. And kudos to you for raising such a good kid.
Posted by: Bulg at January 08, 2025 02:26 PM (77rzZ)
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Seconded!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:27 PM (YqDXo)
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288 280 The WSJ lives in a fantasy land that the J6 juries and judges were fair to the defendants. "Some J6ers feel they were ramrodded through the system, so they had no choice but to plead guilty." Yes, WSJ, that's what they felt. Prosecutors piled on charges, they faced hostile judges and juries. In DC, they vote 95% Democrat
Posted by: JM in Ill
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WSJ is the voice of the Murdoch family that hates Trump with a passion. The Murdochs are a stain on every country that they operate press in.
Posted by: JM in Ill
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WSJ is the voice of the Murdoch family that hates Trump with a passion. The Murdochs are a stain on every country that they operate press in.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 02:28 PM (ctrM5)
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Whatever. And Trump will leave court, talk about how stupid the stupid judge and his stupid court is, but then the chattering classes will have their narrative: Trump, convicted felon, was sentenced...
Exactly. This is about overshadowing the inauguration with non-stop talk about Trump as "our first convicted felon President."
Exactly. This is about overshadowing the inauguration with non-stop talk about Trump as "our first convicted felon President."
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 08, 2025 02:28 PM (ZlOcj)
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337 Whatever. And Trump will leave court, talk about how stupid the stupid judge and his stupid court is, but then the chattering classes will have their narrative: Trump, convicted felon, was sentenced...
Exactly. This is about overshadowing the inauguration with non-stop talk about Trump as "our first convicted felon President."
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 08, 2025 02:28 PM (ZlOcj)
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I think Trump doesn't have to show in person. He just needs to Skype in.
Exactly. This is about overshadowing the inauguration with non-stop talk about Trump as "our first convicted felon President."
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 08, 2025 02:28 PM (ZlOcj)
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I think Trump doesn't have to show in person. He just needs to Skype in.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:28 PM (GBKbO)
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Fires be racist. Most of the home owners interviewed are black. Nice homes, nice neighborhood.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with festive little caps and interpretive dance. at January 08, 2025 02:28 PM (FVO67)
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What do Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir, and Indira Ganghi all have in common?
All three were involved in wars.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:13 PM (YqDXo)
Werd. Funny thing is, all three were actually involved in defensive wars against piss-ant assholes, but only Gandhi was stupid enough to later on use artillery to suppress Sikh separatists in their most sacred temple when Sikhs made up the most powerful part of her own military.
What do Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir, and Indira Ganghi all have in common?
All three were involved in wars.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:13 PM (YqDXo)
Werd. Funny thing is, all three were actually involved in defensive wars against piss-ant assholes, but only Gandhi was stupid enough to later on use artillery to suppress Sikh separatists in their most sacred temple when Sikhs made up the most powerful part of her own military.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 08, 2025 02:28 PM (y9nCu)
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Did you all see now the DOJ want to release the J6 part of Jack Smith's illegal adventures in lawyering?
And, since this is DC, of course that judge will allow it.
But don't fear!
It's not done to smear Trump--it'll only be provided to select Republicans and Democrats in Congress as long as they pinkie swear (wink, wink) not to divulge the contents.
And, since this is DC, of course that judge will allow it.
But don't fear!
It's not done to smear Trump--it'll only be provided to select Republicans and Democrats in Congress as long as they pinkie swear (wink, wink) not to divulge the contents.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 08, 2025 02:29 PM (F3YAM)
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Yes, in that case then the high conviction rate is due to racist prosecutors dramatically overcharging people and threatening them with 20-30 years in jail (plus hundreds of thousands in trial costs, or you get some overworked schlub from the public defenders office who REALLY doesnt have the time or inclination for a jury trial) due to mandatory minimums for the exaggerated charges if they don't take the plea.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 02:26 PM (uCjyK)
Who pays for public defenders? The state.
So, who do public defenders work for?
It's astounding how many guys up shit's creek, awaiting their cases to grind through refer to the public defender as "my lawyer."
You don't have a lawyer! It's the biggest scam in the so-called justice system.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 08, 2025 02:26 PM (uCjyK)
Who pays for public defenders? The state.
So, who do public defenders work for?
It's astounding how many guys up shit's creek, awaiting their cases to grind through refer to the public defender as "my lawyer."
You don't have a lawyer! It's the biggest scam in the so-called justice system.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2025 02:29 PM (dGCAG)
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I prefer my pastrami succulent.
Posted by: no one of any consequence at January 08, 2025 02:29 PM (ZmEVT)
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336 288 280 The WSJ lives in a fantasy land that the J6 juries and judges were fair to the defendants. "Some J6ers feel they were ramrodded through the system, so they had no choice but to plead guilty." Yes, WSJ, that's what they felt. Prosecutors piled on charges, they faced hostile judges and juries. In DC, they vote 95% Democrat
Posted by: JM in Ill
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WSJ is the voice of the Murdoch family that hates Trump with a passion. The Murdochs are a stain on every country that they operate press in.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 02:28 PM (ctrM5)
Don't forget they really weren't allowed to defend themselves either. The Gov't withheld exculpatory videos and only released small portions that were unhelpful, all with the okay of the Leftist Judges. Ablack Maga man can't get a fair trial in the South DC.
Posted by: JM in Ill
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WSJ is the voice of the Murdoch family that hates Trump with a passion. The Murdochs are a stain on every country that they operate press in.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 02:28 PM (ctrM5)
Don't forget they really weren't allowed to defend themselves either. The Gov't withheld exculpatory videos and only released small portions that were unhelpful, all with the okay of the Leftist Judges. A
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 02:29 PM (ynpvh)
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330 I told my daughter that she had done the right thing by supporting the young man in that situation. I also told her that I was very proud of her for standing up for what was RIGHT.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas
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She is a real life hero for what she did. Perpetrating injustice is evil and anyone trying to stop an injustice is heroic.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas
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She is a real life hero for what she did. Perpetrating injustice is evil and anyone trying to stop an injustice is heroic.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 02:29 PM (ctrM5)
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Breaking911
@Breaking911
BREAKING: Joe Biden announces another $500 MILLION to fund the war in Ukraine as California burns
@Breaking911
BREAKING: Joe Biden announces another $500 MILLION to fund the war in Ukraine as California burns
Posted by: redridinghood at January 08, 2025 02:29 PM (NpAcC)
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Apparently they've never observed women in the workplace. Some of the bitterest feuds I've ever seen were between women.
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Because women will lie. They are more susceptible to social pressure. See 294. That is why the media's false social narrative works best on women. They think they will be outliers and ostracized if they don't follow their social groups opinions. Manufactured consensus. The social media...
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Because women will lie. They are more susceptible to social pressure. See 294. That is why the media's false social narrative works best on women. They think they will be outliers and ostracized if they don't follow their social groups opinions. Manufactured consensus. The social media...
Posted by: Ahoy!!! at January 08, 2025 02:30 PM (KoNQY)
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NOOD Abby Phillips
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 02:30 PM (ynpvh)
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I disagree. She broke the Labour grip on the working class and on the economy, which is why the Left despised her.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:26 PM (YqDXo)
The labour grip on the working class was there until not very long ago, and now it's really evaporating under Starmer (though far too late).
She promised working man he could have it all and they fell for it.
There was no good answer for that idiot country, mind you, but her reputation with our kind drafts in Reagan's wake. Once you see Uniparty for what it is it's hard to look away from the value of breaking the backbone of a country.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:26 PM (YqDXo)
The labour grip on the working class was there until not very long ago, and now it's really evaporating under Starmer (though far too late).
She promised working man he could have it all and they fell for it.
There was no good answer for that idiot country, mind you, but her reputation with our kind drafts in Reagan's wake. Once you see Uniparty for what it is it's hard to look away from the value of breaking the backbone of a country.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 02:30 PM (ik3nH)
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This legalese Shiite is harshing my Kali's Burning Buzz, man.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at January 08, 2025 02:31 PM (wBaIH)
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Whatever. And Trump will leave court, talk about how stupid the stupid judge and his stupid court is, but then the chattering classes will have their narrative: Trump, convicted felon, was sentenced...
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Except.
Except that the court retains power over the case for 30 days after the sentencing.
Called plenary power.
Because, during that time, it can grant a new trial.
Why is this highly relevant?
The gag order.
Anything other than dismissal keep the court's plenary power and the gag order.
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Except.
Except that the court retains power over the case for 30 days after the sentencing.
Called plenary power.
Because, during that time, it can grant a new trial.
Why is this highly relevant?
The gag order.
Anything other than dismissal keep the court's plenary power and the gag order.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 08, 2025 02:32 PM (F3YAM)
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the antiwar left evaporated into space back around 2008
Posted by: brak at January 08, 2025 02:23 PM (jGJov)
Under Bush, monthly anti-war protests convened at the corner of my block in Hollywood. They ended the moment Obama became president.
Posted by: brak at January 08, 2025 02:23 PM (jGJov)
Under Bush, monthly anti-war protests convened at the corner of my block in Hollywood. They ended the moment Obama became president.
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 08, 2025 02:32 PM (ZlOcj)
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I think Trump doesn't have to show in person. He just needs to Skype in.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:28 PM (GBKbO)
Skype... they're better than Tik Tok, because it's American oligarchs who now have all your data, instead of Chi Nah.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 08, 2025 02:28 PM (GBKbO)
Skype... they're better than Tik Tok, because it's American oligarchs who now have all your data, instead of Chi Nah.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2025 02:32 PM (dGCAG)
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Don't forget they really weren't allowed to defend themselves either. The Gov't withheld exculpatory videos and only released small portions that were unhelpful, all with the okay of the Leftist Judges. A black Maga man can't get a fair trial in the South DC.
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We do not have a justice system but rather a legal process. I've seen this charade go on for decades, only the targets change.
There is a reason why England at one time had two main court systems--common law and equity. Equity courts came from ecclesiastical authority originally as in seeking to do justice in individual cases and could thwart common law injustices in the case of an individual.
US and in most states have combined the two and equity in the US focuses mainly on groups and civil process rather than criminal. But, people unjustly charged are just as irreparably harmed by injustice due to government directed injustice with long delayed appeals a lackluster substitute for stopping the injustice in the first place for that individual.
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)
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We do not have a justice system but rather a legal process. I've seen this charade go on for decades, only the targets change.
There is a reason why England at one time had two main court systems--common law and equity. Equity courts came from ecclesiastical authority originally as in seeking to do justice in individual cases and could thwart common law injustices in the case of an individual.
US and in most states have combined the two and equity in the US focuses mainly on groups and civil process rather than criminal. But, people unjustly charged are just as irreparably harmed by injustice due to government directed injustice with long delayed appeals a lackluster substitute for stopping the injustice in the first place for that individual.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 02:34 PM (ctrM5)
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Apparently they've never observed women in the workplace. Some of the bitterest feuds I've ever seen were between women.
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Because women will lie. They are more susceptible to social pressure. See 294. That is why the media's false social narrative works best on women. They think they will be outliers and ostracized if they don't follow their social groups opinions. Manufactured consensus. The social media...
Posted by: Ahoy!!! at January 08, 2025 02:30 PM (KoNQY)
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"She's trying to DESTROY me!"
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Because women will lie. They are more susceptible to social pressure. See 294. That is why the media's false social narrative works best on women. They think they will be outliers and ostracized if they don't follow their social groups opinions. Manufactured consensus. The social media...
Posted by: Ahoy!!! at January 08, 2025 02:30 PM (KoNQY)
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"She's trying to DESTROY me!"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 08, 2025 02:35 PM (YqDXo)
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Biden will presented with a Playskool firefighter hat and a Tonka toy fire engine at the briefing today.
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 02:21 PM (E5pD7)
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He'll announce he's giving another $100 billion to the Ukrainian Oligarchs -- and spending $1 million on a new National Strategic Halon Gas Reserve ... to be built in China.
Posted by: sifty boones at January 08, 2025 02:21 PM (E5pD7)
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He'll announce he's giving another $100 billion to the Ukrainian Oligarchs -- and spending $1 million on a new National Strategic Halon Gas Reserve ... to be built in China.
Posted by: ShainS -- Take Back and Rename the Panama America Canal! at January 08, 2025 02:35 PM (qvJE2)
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His job as Roman governor was to keep the peace in the province and collect the taxes.
He was faced with a local elite that really, really wanted to kill Jesus and made a very Roman decision.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2025 01:42 PM (t0Rmr)
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And he was on his second chance with Rome, having been the governor of a region that went into rebellion.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (krQz2)
No, the only known governorship for Pilate was in Judea. There are a few mob incidents in his career, the worst of which led him to call up troops in Jerusalem and the mob panicked and many were trampled. There is a story that he was recalled because of another incident after the crucifixion but Tiberius died before he could be judged.
But he had had plenty of incidents where mobs arranged by the local religious authorities caused him problems.
He was faced with a local elite that really, really wanted to kill Jesus and made a very Roman decision.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 08, 2025 01:42 PM (t0Rmr)
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And he was on his second chance with Rome, having been the governor of a region that went into rebellion.
Posted by: Axeman at January 08, 2025 01:45 PM (krQz2)
No, the only known governorship for Pilate was in Judea. There are a few mob incidents in his career, the worst of which led him to call up troops in Jerusalem and the mob panicked and many were trampled. There is a story that he was recalled because of another incident after the crucifixion but Tiberius died before he could be judged.
But he had had plenty of incidents where mobs arranged by the local religious authorities caused him problems.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 08, 2025 02:35 PM (n7h9X)
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You know I always hear that judges just HATE being overturned. But I don't understand why that is supposed to be such a big hairy deal. Can they be fired for it? Docked a day's pay?
Or does it simply not matter?
Or does it simply not matter?
Posted by: blaster at January 08, 2025 02:37 PM (xhfG9)
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Little that can be done legally. At most, some higher court can smack his decisions around, but other than that, what?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)
His daughter received corrupt election campaaign donations. FEC (Trump's DoJ) can crawl up her ass with an electron microscope for a financial audit and follow the money to the judge. You know it's there.
Little that can be done legally. At most, some higher court can smack his decisions around, but other than that, what?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)
His daughter received corrupt election campaaign donations. FEC (Trump's DoJ) can crawl up her ass with an electron microscope for a financial audit and follow the money to the judge. You know it's there.
Posted by: BifBewalski at January 08, 2025 02:38 PM (MsrgL)
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As an anecdote, my friend from Chile in SA said there were massive wildfires there a few years ago; per my friend, the fires were intentionally set by illegal aliens once Chile started deporting them. What has Trump said we are getting ready to do here in the U.S.?
Posted by: BarcelonaCarmen at January 08, 2025 02:38 PM (3TH2o)
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Who pays for public defenders? The state.
So, who do public defenders work for?
It's astounding how many guys up shit's creek, awaiting their cases to grind through refer to the public defender as "my lawyer."
You don't have a lawyer! It's the biggest scam in the so-called justice system.
Posted by: BurtTC
Having a number of public defenders as my former students, I don't see that as a problem. Instead, prosecutors are lavishly funded and public defenders have scant resources to try cases and much higher caseloads than prosecutors. Prosecutors can also offer tempting plea deals to desperate people lacking enough money to scrape together bond and losing all by a slow walking prosecutor keeping them in jail until trial.
As a result, even if the dedicated public defender takes the case to court, they lack funds in most cases to hire expert witnesses, investigators, and all the other things necessary to do more than poke holes at the state's case.
So, who do public defenders work for?
It's astounding how many guys up shit's creek, awaiting their cases to grind through refer to the public defender as "my lawyer."
You don't have a lawyer! It's the biggest scam in the so-called justice system.
Posted by: BurtTC
Having a number of public defenders as my former students, I don't see that as a problem. Instead, prosecutors are lavishly funded and public defenders have scant resources to try cases and much higher caseloads than prosecutors. Prosecutors can also offer tempting plea deals to desperate people lacking enough money to scrape together bond and losing all by a slow walking prosecutor keeping them in jail until trial.
As a result, even if the dedicated public defender takes the case to court, they lack funds in most cases to hire expert witnesses, investigators, and all the other things necessary to do more than poke holes at the state's case.
Posted by: whig at January 08, 2025 02:39 PM (ctrM5)
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Exactly. This is about overshadowing the inauguration with non-stop talk about Trump as "our first convicted felon President."
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 08, 2025 02:28 PM (ZlOcj)
Who cares? Trump could raise the dead and the Left would attack him for it.
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 08, 2025 02:28 PM (ZlOcj)
Who cares? Trump could raise the dead and the Left would attack him for it.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 08, 2025 02:39 PM (n7h9X)
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The labour grip on the working class was there until not very long ago, and now it's really evaporating under Starmer (though far too late).
She promised working man he could have it all and they fell for it.
There was no good answer for that idiot country, mind you, but her reputation with our kind drafts in Reagan's wake. Once you see Uniparty for what it is it's hard to look away from the value of breaking the backbone of a country.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 02:30 PM (ik3nH)
And the old Socialist governments promised the working men nothing and gave it to them. GB was an irrelevant shit hole until Thatcher and it took them another decade after her to get it back on course to its current shithole-dom.
She promised working man he could have it all and they fell for it.
There was no good answer for that idiot country, mind you, but her reputation with our kind drafts in Reagan's wake. Once you see Uniparty for what it is it's hard to look away from the value of breaking the backbone of a country.
Posted by: ... at January 08, 2025 02:30 PM (ik3nH)
And the old Socialist governments promised the working men nothing and gave it to them. GB was an irrelevant shit hole until Thatcher and it took them another decade after her to get it back on course to its current shithole-dom.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 08, 2025 02:43 PM (n7h9X)
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Little that can be done legally. At most, some higher court can smack his decisions around, but other than that, what?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at January 08, 2025 02:16 PM (ynpvh)
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Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at January 08, 2025 02:43 PM (iODuv)
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Trump can stop this giving Ukes $$$ nonsense by saying that every penny given since 11/5 he will expect back - with interest !
Posted by: runner at January 08, 2025 02:23 PM (g47mK)
Most all the stuff we "send" to Ukraine are technically loans, or being spent in the US for supposedly replacing the items sent to Ukraine to defense contractors.
Posted by: runner at January 08, 2025 02:23 PM (g47mK)
Most all the stuff we "send" to Ukraine are technically loans, or being spent in the US for supposedly replacing the items sent to Ukraine to defense contractors.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 08, 2025 02:45 PM (n7h9X)
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Bestest part? War produces a Yuge amount of CO2. From vehicles, to ammo, to destruction and burning of buildings and the environment...
If you actually believed in Man Made CO2 causing Globull warmering, you would be anti war.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 08, 2025 02:22 PM (QAkQ3)
Tanks have crappy MPG even when diesel. Ours use a jet fuel.
Fuel Air bombs burn all the oxygen out of the air in the impact zone making it tough for anyone in the area of impact. It has been good vs troops in fortified towns for the Russians.
If you actually believed in Man Made CO2 causing Globull warmering, you would be anti war.
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 08, 2025 02:22 PM (QAkQ3)
Tanks have crappy MPG even when diesel. Ours use a jet fuel.
Fuel Air bombs burn all the oxygen out of the air in the impact zone making it tough for anyone in the area of impact. It has been good vs troops in fortified towns for the Russians.
Posted by: Oldcat at January 08, 2025 02:52 PM (n7h9X)
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And the old Socialist governments promised the working men nothing and gave it to them. GB was an irrelevant shit hole until Thatcher and it took them another decade after her to get it back on course to its current shithole-dom.
If the UK - Britain back in the day - were so great ? So many wouldn't have risked it all to get the Hell away from it.
This is a real bone of contention for me. Many here view the UK as a common friend and steadfast ally. They've never been that. Never. They're an adversary that shares a somewhat common language. And for bonus points, our gateway into wars an ocean away.
If the UK - Britain back in the day - were so great ? So many wouldn't have risked it all to get the Hell away from it.
This is a real bone of contention for me. Many here view the UK as a common friend and steadfast ally. They've never been that. Never. They're an adversary that shares a somewhat common language. And for bonus points, our gateway into wars an ocean away.
Posted by: Taking Notice at January 08, 2025 03:17 PM (AsopM)
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testing
Posted by: Don Black at January 08, 2025 03:26 PM (AOsQT)
Posted by: Don Black at January 08, 2025 03:27 PM (AOsQT)
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The Supreme Court might rule on this, because the Immunity decision is their prerogative, not Merchans, and by rushing the sentencing, he is stepping all over their feet.
Even the Leftist True Believers may object to their authority being disrespected by some random trial judge.
Even the Leftist True Believers may object to their authority being disrespected by some random trial judge.
Posted by: Voyager at January 08, 2025 03:35 PM (zZH3A)
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Judge Merchan should be removed from the Bench and retired to Prison with Bragg and Soros and the rest of the Globalists
Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at January 08, 2025 04:22 PM (wGqjj)
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