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Trump Press Conference: He'll Rename the Gulf of Mexico the "Gulf of America," Still Wants Greenland, "All Hell Will Break Loose" if Hamas Doesn't Release Hostages by His Inauguration

Eric Daugherty
@EricLDaugh

TRUMP'S PRESS CONFERENCE: Highlights

- $20B tech investment into the USA

- Will work to rename the Gulf of Mexico to the "Gulf of America"

- Does not rule out military/economic coercion to take over Greenland/Panama Canal

- Reiterates 'all h*ll will break loose' on Day One if hostages not released by Hamas

- Sticking to pardons of Jan 6ers

- Working with Congressional Republicans on a package that includes key elements of his agenda, such as tax cuts

- Wants states to finish election counting by 10PM on election night

- Supports gas heaters over Biden's effort to force electric heaters on American homes

- Will "immediately" undo Biden's new offshore drilling ban

He talks up pressuring Denmark to sell Greenland to the US here.

I just don't get this. I don't know why we'd want Greenland, and I don't know why we'd pressure a state minding its own business go give it to us. I hope we're not just seeing Trump work out his property-acquisition instincts from the Oval Office.

Posted by: Ace at 01:15 PM




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1 That guy slays.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 07, 2025 01:15 PM (ExV1e)

2 Possible top 10

Posted by: front toward enemy at January 07, 2025 01:15 PM (TIizU)

3 Trump is never going to win the presidency if he keeps saying these crazy things.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 07, 2025 01:16 PM (GBKbO)

4 Murica! I love it. I don't understand the Greenland thing either but at this point, I am in for the ride.

Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at January 07, 2025 01:17 PM (DJ7uY)

5 The King of All Shitlib Trolls

Posted by: front toward enemy at January 07, 2025 01:17 PM (TIizU)

6 "All Hell Will Break Loose" if Hamas Doesn't Release Hostages by His Inauguration

To be more exact, he said, no, before he takes office. Not before the inauguration. To those of us who always take him at his word, that's an interesting one.

Posted by: t-bird at January 07, 2025 01:18 PM (OqC0L)

7 Trump is going to get Greenland. I realized this a few weeks ago.

This suddenly looks like everything else he does that looks crazy and impossible and has all the naysayers clamoring and guffawing.

Posted by: ... at January 07, 2025 01:18 PM (QB9Mc)

8 I assume a lot of the stuff he's floating is just his version of "stray voltage". Still, it seems kind of stupid to go about unnecessarily alienating places like Denmark. He almost sounds a bit unhinged.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 01:18 PM (xCA6C)

9 Santa Fe, the capital of New America?

Posted by: t-bird at January 07, 2025 01:18 PM (OqC0L)

10 It’s because Greenland gives Denmark a large amount of drilling rights in the arctic, which they can’t effectively exploit economically or defend militarily because they’re a small country. From what I understand anyways.

Posted by: GrapeDrink at January 07, 2025 01:18 PM (qSARq)

11 You have to love Trump, he says whatever he wants.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 07, 2025 01:19 PM (NNMcJ)

12 Can we trade Cali for Quebec?

Posted by: Dandalo at January 07, 2025 01:19 PM (3QsZU)

13 We need to consolidate strategic Arctic interests before Chinese "private" companies gobble them up like they gobbled Himalayan India for "Tibet" (which they also gobbled).
Don't go wobbly, Ace.

Posted by: gKWVE at January 07, 2025 01:19 PM (gKWVE)

14 Greenland is important militarily and the minerals

Posted by: It's me donna at January 07, 2025 01:19 PM (VE6XX)

15 Hell's not the one with 72 virgins, guys.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 01:19 PM (krQz2)

16 This suddenly looks like everything else he does that looks crazy and impossible and has all the naysayers clamoring and guffawing.

Posted by: ... at January 07, 2025 01:18 PM (QB9Mc)
8 I assume a lot of the stuff he's floating is just his version of "stray voltage". Still, it seems kind of stupid to go about unnecessarily alienating places like Denmark. He almost sounds a bit unhinged.


I guess that makes me a naysayer, what with all the clamoring and guffawing.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 01:19 PM (xCA6C)

17 Greenland. There's a reason for it, rest assured. Whether it's oil, uranium, strategic, or a combination of the above.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 07, 2025 01:20 PM (tT6L1)

18 DC is going to need some plumbers

@BNONews
·
5m
UPDATE: Magnitude of earthquake along the Tibet-Nepal border upgraded to 7.1 - USGS

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 07, 2025 01:20 PM (IG4Id)

19 Trumpalicious!

Posted by: kallisto at January 07, 2025 01:20 PM (jJx+x)

20 err, rather

@Breaking911 6m
BREAKING: Federal judge blocks release of special counsel Jack Smith’s final report on Trump investigation

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 07, 2025 01:20 PM (IG4Id)

21 Murica! I love it. I don't understand the Greenland thing either but at this point, I am in for the ride.
Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at January 07, 2025 01:17 PM (DJ7uY)

Resources!

Trump knows land has value with an upward trajectory.

Posted by: ... at January 07, 2025 01:20 PM (QB9Mc)

22 I don't understand how Trump could get Greenland. Doesn't it belong to Denmark and anyway, doesn't whoever leads Greenland want it to be independent?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 07, 2025 01:20 PM (suQVD)

23 Chaff and counter measures.

Keep the democrat and media kittens chasing the red dots.

Posted by: Just Lily at January 07, 2025 01:20 PM (lQdyi)

24 I don't know why we'd want Greenland

"Rare-Earth" minerals and prevent Chynah from putting a base there. I suspect that's his reasoning. Don't know if I agree but I suspect that's his reasoning.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 07, 2025 01:20 PM (ExV1e)

25 Are Greenlanders of a conservative bent? Anyone know?

Posted by: Dandalo at January 07, 2025 01:20 PM (3QsZU)

26 Did Greenland signal some overture that Trump is just following through on? The good part of trump is that he's always negotiating with these countries, I just can't see what he's actually trying to get at with Greenland unless they would like a closer relationship with the US. As in territory status. Who knows. Jr is traveling there two weeks before the inauguration so something is up.

Posted by: Roberto at January 07, 2025 01:21 PM (WXTVZ)

27 What do the people of Greenland want?

Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at January 07, 2025 01:21 PM (DJ7uY)

28 That's now quadrupling down on the hostage thing. Given the situation - Israel is already bringing focused/selective hell down on Hamas in Gaza, has been for a week - not sure what the action would be. Hopefully dramatic action on Qatar, possibly Turkey (key Hamas enablers). Interesting.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 07, 2025 01:21 PM (1m82a)

29 Trump will rename the Atlantic "The American Ocean", and the Pacific "The Other American Ocean".

*Tropic of Melania coming soon!

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at January 07, 2025 01:21 PM (w9Wax)

30 Bwaaahahahaa!!!

Zoloft sales are gonna be epic!

Posted by: Actually Cicero Kaboom Kid at January 07, 2025 01:21 PM (hirWM)

31 I don't care if he does half of the things discussed. My President is way, way, way inside the left's OODA loop - by design, I think. They are losing what little minds they have and are completely blindsided.

THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT!!

Posted by: Tonypete at January 07, 2025 01:21 PM (WXNFJ)

32 He needs to dial the rhetoric back. Never call anyone bad names. We’ll lose the Independent voters!!

Jeeze this guy is stupid

Posted by: Common Tater at January 07, 2025 01:21 PM (2UFTi)

33 Most important agenda item is getting all votes counted by 10pm election day.

Every thing else gravy

Posted by: kallisto at January 07, 2025 01:21 PM (jJx+x)

34 I guess that makes me a naysayer, what with all the clamoring and guffawing.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 01:19 PM (xCA6C)

If you think I'm referring to you, go ahead and wear the badge. But I wasn't, nor anyone like you. I was referring mostly to our illustrious media and political class.

Posted by: ... at January 07, 2025 01:22 PM (QB9Mc)

35 Ah. This explains the liberal meltdown today.

Posted by: NR Pax at January 07, 2025 01:22 PM (lXCUP)

36 I don't care if he does half of the things discussed. My President is way, way, way inside the left's OODA loop - by design, I think. They are losing what little minds they have and are completely blindsided.

THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT!!

Posted by: Tonypete at January 07, 2025 01:21 PM (WXNFJ)
---
They are losing their minds.

And we're reaping all the benefits.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 01:22 PM (krQz2)

37 25 Are Greenlanders of a conservative bent? Anyone know?
Posted by: Dandalo at January 07, 2025 01:20 PM (3QsZU)

Don Jr. says there are a lot of MAGA people there.. I have no idea if that is true

Posted by: It's me donna at January 07, 2025 01:22 PM (VE6XX)

38 Greenland! What?

Trump is thinking strategically. Let him cook, as the youngsters say.

Posted by: jmel at January 07, 2025 01:22 PM (RWHIh)

39 Sounds like Trump wants something and it may not be Greenland.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 07, 2025 01:22 PM (NNMcJ)

40 To add to the above Trump to-do list, mentioned in the previous thread:

-- Rename Mt. Denali back to Mt. McKinley (I don't really care but the left will lose it)

-- make Election Day and Columbus Day full national holidays with time off

-- rescind the order for the land Biden is now grabbing in Utah and CA for new federal monuments (Utah is already 70% federal lands; give it a break!)

-- If they won't rename it the Gulf of America, rename it Gulf of Columbus

Posted by: LizLem at January 07, 2025 01:23 PM (gWBY1)

41 don't understand how Trump could get Greenland. Doesn't it belong to Denmark and anyway, doesn't whoever leads Greenland want it to be independent?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 07, 2025 01:20 PM (suQVD)

Things change. People change.

Posted by: ... at January 07, 2025 01:23 PM (QB9Mc)

42 This is hilarious.
Can't wait to see what comes next.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 07, 2025 01:23 PM (xcxpd)

43 Heh. I think I'll start calling it "Gulf of America" as of right now
Posted by: Emmie at January 07, 2025 01:20 PM (Sf2cq)

Posted by: Emmie at January 07, 2025 01:23 PM (Sf2cq)

44 4 Murica! I love it. I don't understand the Greenland thing either but at this point, I am in for the ride.

Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at January 07, 2025 01:17 PM (DJ7uY)


Sooner or later the Chinese Communist Party will make Denmark an offer for Greenland that the Danes can't refuse. It's essential for us to get Greenland before the Chinese do. If the Chinese want Greenland, make them fight us for Greenland instead of simply buying it.

Posted by: Gref at January 07, 2025 01:23 PM (aBgBM)

45 Also, Trump will have World Mean Time run through Mar-a-Lago instead of Greenwich.

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at January 07, 2025 01:23 PM (w9Wax)

46 22 I don't understand how Trump could get Greenland. Doesn't it belong to Denmark and anyway, doesn't whoever leads Greenland want it to be independent?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 07, 2025 01:20 PM (suQVD)

Every laughed when Trump 1.0 proposed it, but Greenland never dismissed the option. Denmark did, but not Greenland. I think they'd go for it. The MSM shouldn't call this Trump's Folly. It didn't work the last time they pulled that stunt.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 07, 2025 01:23 PM (RyohI)

47 They are losing their minds.

And we're reaping all the benefits.
Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 01:22 PM (krQz2)

The entertain value of this cannot be overstated.

Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at January 07, 2025 01:23 PM (DJ7uY)

48 ***Supports gas heaters over Biden's effort to force electric heaters on American homes***
---

In my wood burning fireplace sits a 25,000 btu blue flame natgas heater. It's a humdinger as it heats and mitigates the expense of the giant HVAC unit.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 07, 2025 01:23 PM (6hvzW)

49 >>> I hope we're not just seeing Trump work out his property-acquisition instincts from the Oval Office.

Historically, we have fared pretty well with these types in office.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at January 07, 2025 01:23 PM (i24o9)

50 Stop, enough! I already voted for him three times, I don't think I'm allowed to do so again.

How much do I love my President? Sooo much!!

Posted by: hobbitopoly at January 07, 2025 01:23 PM (k9OZB)

51 Winning is fun!

Now, if only "our" Congress critters could wrap their minds around the idea!

Posted by: Crusader at January 07, 2025 01:23 PM (TN0g+)

52 Remember when the purchase of Alaska from Russia was called Seward's Folly?

We came out pretty good on that deal.

Posted by: Just Lily at January 07, 2025 01:23 PM (lQdyi)

53 Trump pretty much says whatever he thinks... I like it... LOL

Posted by: It's me donna at January 07, 2025 01:23 PM (VE6XX)

54
He really does remind one of Teddy Roosevelt

Posted by: kallisto at January 07, 2025 01:24 PM (jJx+x)

55 My gas heater runs off a AAA battery powered thermostat. It's the only thing keeping me alive when power goes out. Besides my gas water heater and gas stove.
FJB

Posted by: wth at January 07, 2025 01:24 PM (v0R5T)

56 9 Santa Fe, the capital of New America?
Posted by: t-bird at January 07, 2025 01:18 PM (OqC0L)

DC was selected because it was pretty much the middle of the existing US.

Welllll... we've gotten a bit bigger... the Center of the Continental US is in South Dakota.

Time for Government to move.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2025 01:24 PM (QAkQ3)

57
Guess I'll have to see about a vendor's license and space on the Scream At The Sky 2025 Tour.

Are the Wilkens going to hex him again?

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 01:24 PM (krQz2)

58 12 Can we trade Cali for Quebec?

Posted by: Dandalo at January 07, 2025 01:19 PM (3QsZU)

Trade Taco Bell for poutine? Hmmmmmm......

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 07, 2025 01:24 PM (wtvvX)

59 Gulf of America.

This is the kind of Trumpy nonsense that makes me chortle like a pirate. I mean this in a good way.

He should write that lady presently in charge of Mexico and let her know that he's just going to call her "Susan" from now on. Because.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 07, 2025 01:24 PM (ESO0m)

60 Sounds like Trump wants something and it may not be Greenland.
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 07, 2025 01:22 PM (NNMcJ)

Absolutely true and I have considered that.

But he's the kind of guy who would want it now anyway just to prove he can do it.

But honestly? I think he wants it. He's a negotiator, but he doesn't exactly mince words.

Posted by: ... at January 07, 2025 01:24 PM (QB9Mc)

61 Greenland provides a northern passage to Asia from our east coast that's shorter than the routes through the Suez Canal, Panama and around Africa or S America.

Plus rich in resources.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at January 07, 2025 01:24 PM (wBaIH)

62 Can we re-name Canada 'America's Hat'?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 07, 2025 01:24 PM (xcxpd)

63 Are Greenlanders of a conservative bent? Anyone know?
Posted by: Dandalo at January 07, 2025 01:20 PM (3QsZU)

Don Jr. says there are a lot of MAGA people there.. I have no idea if that is true


If they're like Alaskans, they talk a good game, but are among the worst offenders in taking welfare in various guises.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 01:24 PM (xCA6C)

64 What do the people of Greenland want?

They'll make their wants known. Trump is talking directly to them.

Posted by: t-bird at January 07, 2025 01:24 PM (OqC0L)

65 rescind the order for the land Biden is now grabbing in Utah and CA for new federal monuments (Utah is already 70% federal lands; give it a break


Arizona says hi!

Posted by: Dandalo at January 07, 2025 01:24 PM (3QsZU)

66 Greenland has a lot of sought-after resources, like rare earth metals, etc.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at January 07, 2025 01:24 PM (g8Ew8)

67 39 Sounds like Trump wants something and it may not be Greenland.
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 07, 2025 01:22 PM (NNMcJ)


He wants Denmark! You know who else wanted Denmark?

Posted by: J. Frank Parnell at January 07, 2025 01:25 PM (eb5mD)

68 Remember when the purchase of Alaska from Russia was called Seward's Folly?

Posted by: Just Lily at January 07, 2025 01:23 PM (lQdyi)
---
Did you Nome?

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 01:25 PM (krQz2)

69 Don Trump Jr. is in Greenland as we speak

Posted by: kallisto at January 07, 2025 01:25 PM (jJx+x)

70 Apparently Greenland is selling themselves to the Chicoms, so we are making an offer they can't refuse.

Posted by: runner at January 07, 2025 01:25 PM (g47mK)

71 This is hilarious.
Can't wait to see what comes next.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo at January 07, 2025 01:23 PM (xcxpd)

This is where I am at. LFG!

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at January 07, 2025 01:25 PM (i24o9)

72 As I pointed out yesterday, we have three independent nations in Free Association with the US. Palau, the Marshall Islands and Micronesia. We are responsible for their defense. It allows our Navy to force project into the central Pacific. There's a total of about 300k people involved
Offer the same thing to Greenland

Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 07, 2025 01:25 PM (c+GDc)

73 I just don't get this. I don't know why we'd want Greenland
......

Ice cubes?
Cold chicks who want to cuddle?
Baby seals?

Posted by: wth at January 07, 2025 01:25 PM (v0R5T)

74 Sounds like Trump wants something and it may not be Greenland.
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 07, 2025 01:22 PM (NNMcJ)
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I hereby dub Greenland as the State of More Cowbell.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 01:25 PM (krQz2)

75 Doesn't it belong to Denmark and anyway, doesn't whoever leads Greenland want it to be independent?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 07, 2025 01:20 PM (suQVD)


The PM of Greenland, Múte Bourup Egede, is a democratic socialist and favors independence. Now, the question becomes, does he favor independence independence or just independence from Denmark which, largely, doesn't give a damn about Greenland.

I'd say that he probably wants true independence because, as a democratic socialist, he'd sell out his country to Chynah, take the money, and move somewhere warm but who knows.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 07, 2025 01:26 PM (ExV1e)

76

The Canada thing is dumb AF. I don't believe he's serious about that, anyway. I also don't think it's feasible, in any event.

But G-d forbid it should come to pass. Annexing Canada would be terrible.

We need Canada like we need a suppurating fistula.

It would be the nation state equivalent of a bugchasing homo deliberately contracting flesheating monkeypox.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 07, 2025 01:26 PM (BI5O2)

77 Let's change the name to Canadia.

Posted by: Why not? at January 07, 2025 01:26 PM (dg+HA)

78 We could meet Denmark halfway and give them
Puerto Rico.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 07, 2025 01:26 PM (ESO0m)

79 Baby seals?
Posted by: wth at January 07, 2025 01:25 PM (v0R5T)
---
I can't be part of that club.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 01:26 PM (krQz2)

80 I think Greenland has a bunch of rare earth minerals or something.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 07, 2025 01:26 PM (0N/Wa)

81 Greenland provides a northern passage to Asia from our east coast

Which may explain the icebreakers tangent he went on.

Posted by: t-bird at January 07, 2025 01:26 PM (OqC0L)

82 >I don't know why we'd want Greenland

Greenland is almost as important strategically as Alaska. Location, location, location. Owning it is better than leasing some military bases... as we found out when the PI took back out giant naval base and air base.
(ha. They got back clark field just in time for Pinatubo to bury it)

Posted by: comradearthur at January 07, 2025 01:26 PM (YaiQx)

83 If the citizens of Greenland are being mistreated by Denmark, who are dirty Scandi's, don't we have a duty to intervene and free these people? (see Crimea)

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 07, 2025 01:26 PM (NNMcJ)

84 I would take Greenland as a territory long before considering Canada.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 07, 2025 01:26 PM (DBp+m)

85 Greenland would make an excellent camp for Kamala voters.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at January 07, 2025 01:26 PM (5IFb9)

86 A strike on Iran's nuke program seems much more certain than it ever has right now. IAEA itself has thrown in the towel, saying the program is now beyond the stage where limits/inspections matter. And of course constant leaks from various guvamints about the program being close to producing a device*.

And of course conditions are more propitious for a strike than ever. Syrian corridor is open for IAF. Iranian air defense severely degraded. Iran's insurance policy (Hezbollah/massive rocket attacks on Israel) taken off the board. And the Trumpenfuhrer returning to power.

* of course haven't seen the intel itself but weaponizing a device into a bomb, and mating it with a ballistic missile (Iran's only practical option for delivery system), are non-trivial exercises and I wonder how capable Iran is in those key areas, at the moment

Posted by: rhomboid at January 07, 2025 01:26 PM (1m82a)

87 Gulf 'Murica

Posted by: garrett at January 07, 2025 01:26 PM (qu/pS)

88 Remember when the purchase of Alaska from Russia was called Seward's Folly?

Posted by: Just Lily at January 07, 2025 01:23 PM (lQdyi)

Exactly. We may not understand it. But it would be a mistake to diamiss it.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at January 07, 2025 01:26 PM (i24o9)

89 Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 07, 2025 01:23 PM (RyohI)

I think there's a part of Trump that says outrageous things just to see the reaction. He probably was a pain in the backside to his teachers when he was a kid when he wasn't making them laugh.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 07, 2025 01:26 PM (4hg8f)

90 Getting control of Panama Canal also important

Posted by: kallisto at January 07, 2025 01:27 PM (jJx+x)

91 There is the SAS, "he who dare wins."

Then we have Donald Trump.

Posted by: Anna Puma at January 07, 2025 01:27 PM (ccS8/)

92 22 I don't understand how Trump could get Greenland. Doesn't it belong to Denmark and anyway, doesn't whoever leads Greenland want it to be independent?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 07, 2025 01:20 PM (suQVD)


I am confident Trump can make the case to Greenlanders they'll be much, much better-off as citizens of a US territory than of a Danish territory. The Danes can be made to see reason - and profit.

Posted by: Gref at January 07, 2025 01:27 PM (aBgBM)

93 LMAO, Gulf Of America! I f'ing love this guy!

Posted by: JROD at January 07, 2025 01:27 PM (IlL6s)

94 Are Greenlanders of a conservative bent? Anyone know?
Posted by: Dandalo at January 07, 2025 01:20 PM (3QsZU)


Their locally elected government is explicitly socialist so I'm guessing not.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 07, 2025 01:27 PM (ExV1e)

95 Upon second thought, Greenland makes a lot of sense. We've got millions of people that need to go somewhere and Greenland has a lot of resources that need workers. Two problems solved at once.

Posted by: Roberto at January 07, 2025 01:27 PM (WXTVZ)

96 He probably was a pain in the backside to his teachers when he was a kid when he wasn't making them laugh.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 07, 2025 01:26 PM (4hg8f)

Oh shit you are describing me

Posted by: ... at January 07, 2025 01:28 PM (QB9Mc)

97 Gulf of America.

Costa del Lex!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 07, 2025 01:28 PM (wtvvX)

98 59 Gulf of America.

This is the kind of Trumpy nonsense that makes me chortle like a pirate. I mean this in a good way.

He should write that lady presently in charge of Mexico and let her know that he's just going to call her "Susan" from now on. Because.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 07, 2025 01:24 PM (ESO0m)

I'm thinking (hoping) that this is maybe just some kind of stray voltage to get the Left worked up over and distract it from the real work to be done.

Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at January 07, 2025 01:28 PM (lg881)

99
On the Trump Scale, this was Trump level 8.

Posted by: Frank Barone at January 07, 2025 01:28 PM (+oR7L)

100 Apparently Greenland is selling themselves to the Chicoms, so we are making an offer they can't refuse.

Let them. Then, when Greenland tells them to get bent, what is China going to do, sail an armada to Greenland?

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 01:28 PM (xCA6C)

101 49 Historically, we have fared pretty well with these types in office.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at January 07, 2025 01:23 PM (i24o9)

========

Raises a question to me:

Least successful president who tried to expand borders and didn't?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 07, 2025 01:28 PM (GBKbO)

102 Wants states to finish election counting by 10PM on election night

Before we spent billions supposedly improving voting counting this was generally the case.

Now after spending billions it takes states like CA weeks to count.

Funny how that works isn't it?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 07, 2025 01:28 PM (t0Rmr)

103 Have you asked her yet? Nome, I'll ask her.

Posted by: Tundra Town at January 07, 2025 01:28 PM (dg+HA)

104 Greenlanders seem to want to become part of the U.S. Not necessarily a state--more like a territory or commonwealth type thing. At least one of them has a great sense of humor:

https://tinyurl.com/5dtjwwft

Posted by: IrishEi at January 07, 2025 01:28 PM (3ImbR)

105 Golfo de la Florida also works.
Rename Miami "Puerto de Santis"

Posted by: gKWVE at January 07, 2025 01:28 PM (gKWVE)

106 It's an autonomous territory. The need to vote themselves away from Denmark and into becoming a territory of the US.

Posted by: runner at January 07, 2025 01:28 PM (g47mK)

107 >>* of course haven't seen the intel itself but weaponizing a device into a bomb, and mating it with a ballistic missile (Iran's only practical option for delivery system), are non-trivial exercises and I wonder how capable Iran is in those key areas, at the moment


The Iranians can't get that done. That will be either Russian or N. Koreans doing that job.

The Iranians can barely handle traditional rockets as they displayed this past year.

Posted by: garrett at January 07, 2025 01:28 PM (qu/pS)

108 >>> He talks up pressuring Denmark to sell Greenland to the US here. I just don't get this. I don't know why we'd want Greenland, and I don't know why we'd pressure a state minding its own business go give it to us. I hope we're not just seeing Trump work out his property-acquisition instincts from the Oval Office.

It sounds absolutely bonkers crazy, yes, but so did buying the Louisiana Purchase and Alaska.

Mineral rights are off the charts, it's a drain on Denmark to defend and they can't afford to get the minerals there, and will likely just get nabbed by China or Russia at some point if we don't. Plus a strategic tract of land for handling China and Russia.

Posted by: LizLem at January 07, 2025 01:28 PM (gWBY1)

109 11 You have to love Trump, he says whatever he wants.
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 07, 2025 01:19 PM (NNMcJ)


I learned during Trump's last term that setting my hair on fire was silly.

Posted by: Emmie at January 07, 2025 01:29 PM (Sf2cq)

110 Posted by: ... at January 07, 2025 01:28 PM (QB9Mc)

Well, it seems to have served Trump well.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 07, 2025 01:29 PM (4hg8f)

111 We could meet Denmark halfway and give them
Puerto Rico.


We could offer them Mexico.

Mexico: Hey!

Posted by: t-bird at January 07, 2025 01:29 PM (OqC0L)

112 56 9 Santa Fe, the capital of New America?
Posted by: t-bird at January 07, 2025 01:18 PM (OqC0L)

DC was selected because it was pretty much the middle of the existing US.

Welllll... we've gotten a bit bigger... the Center of the Continental US is in South Dakota.

Time for Government to move.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2025 01:24 PM (QAkQ3)

I'd suggest due east about 300 nautical miles.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 07, 2025 01:29 PM (wtvvX)

113 I don’t care what Trump says or does regarding Greenland short of outright invading it.
I care about a 1000x as much about prosecuting democrat lawfare and other illegal activity.
From the standpoint of Trump’s own survival, he should care that much too.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 07, 2025 01:29 PM (jbnUc)

114 Minerals. The south has pegmatites rich with a variety of minerals.

And icebeer.

Posted by: Actually Cicero Kaboom Kid at January 07, 2025 01:29 PM (hirWM)

115 89 Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 07, 2025 01:23 PM (RyohI)

I think there's a part of Trump that says outrageous things just to see the reaction. He probably was a pain in the backside to his teachers when he was a kid when he wasn't making them laugh.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 07, 2025 01:26 PM (4hg8f)


Trump is making opening bids on negotiations he intends to have.

Posted by: Gref at January 07, 2025 01:29 PM (aBgBM)

116 My hero!

Yeah, I don't know why we'd want *all* of Canada. Maybe, as someone suggested yesterday, part of British Columbia so our lower 48 can link up with Alaska, then Alberta and Saskatchewan, and let it go at that.

Give up a few of these territories that are only clinging to the U.S. for the grift. Do we *need* territories in the far Pacific?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 07, 2025 01:29 PM (J2vNu)

117 cockroaches scurrying in harsh light film at eleven

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at January 07, 2025 01:29 PM (QSrLX)

118 Greenland is an excellent place to find unemployed giants.

Posted by: Fezzik at January 07, 2025 01:29 PM (ybSPO)

119 ***I hope we're not just seeing Trump work out his property-acquisition instincts from the Oval Office.***
---

Whoa, Trump's got good property acquisition instincts. It must be a good deal. Denmark just lets it sit there and pays them billions a year to do it. He can be my real estate advisor any day.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 07, 2025 01:30 PM (6hvzW)

120 If you have to learn one thing about science today, this is it:

https://tinyurl.com/bdhfdzyu

WOW!

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at January 07, 2025 01:30 PM (E+OH8)

121 And the fact that Trump does not give away military strategy to our enemies . . . that's proof right there that he is both smart and pro-America.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 07, 2025 01:30 PM (J2vNu)

122 Raises a question to me:

Least successful president who tried to expand borders and didn't?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 07, 2025 01:28 PM (GBKbO)

I was trying to think of that, but more in terms of how it might have lead to armed conflict. I am drawing a blank.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at January 07, 2025 01:30 PM (i24o9)

123 Why not Gulf of America? Our coastline along the Gulf is at least as long as Mexico's.

Harrumphf

Posted by: IrishEi at January 07, 2025 01:30 PM (3ImbR)

124 I love it. I don't understand the Greenland thing either but at this point, I am in for the ride.

*****

It's a giant aircraft carrier that allows us to project power in Europe. Like Iceland, but without the possibility of them kicking us off of their island. Or having to deal with NATO nonsense.

Posted by: EFG at January 07, 2025 01:31 PM (/F4Jb)

125 Rudy Giuliani is being ruined (please Trump do something… buy him a house)….
---
As the Supreme Court re-affirmed in the immunity decision, a President has absolute immunity from civil suits.
Regardless of why.

Rudy could sell every one of his properties to Trump for $1.
And the courts are powerless to claw them back from Trump.
The court will scream and yell at Rudy, issue all sorts of angry words toward Trump.
And fuck right off to the irrelevance it deserves.

Trump should then issue a statement that he'll pay Rudy's creditors as soon as Al Sharpton pays his.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 07, 2025 01:31 PM (R3Yln)

126 You know how Greenland looks absolutely yuuuuuge on maps? That’s a distortion because it’s so far north and the further away from the equator, the bigger land masses appear on flat maps.

Greenland is in reality much smaller in size. About 1/3 the size of the continental US. Still a good chunk of real estate but not what most people assume it is.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at January 07, 2025 01:31 PM (uO4Gq)

127 Making Canada is a mistake. Bunch a Democrat votes. He's just trying to wake them up.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 07, 2025 01:31 PM (6hvzW)

128 Threaten a nuclear strike against Denmark, take Greenland and build Trump Hotels n golf courses. Rename it Trumpland.

Posted by: JROD at January 07, 2025 01:31 PM (IlL6s)

129 Jefferson knew or suspected he had no constitutional authority to purchase Louisiana - and intended to buy New Orleans, the port itself.

When the entire land mass called Louisiana was offered for sale, Livingston went ahead. $15,000,000 dollars, or about 2c an acre. It hadn’t even been fully mapped or explored yet. Lewis and Clark soon took care of that, along with a few good ole boys from Kentucky.

They lost a single soldier - Sgt. Floyd - who likely had a ruptured appendix and died. In those days untreatable anywhere by anyone.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 07, 2025 01:31 PM (2UFTi)

130 Look up "spiralkampagnen" in relation to Greenland. The Danes forced IUDs up thousands of Inuit hoohas in the 1960s and 1970s. No they didn't ask permission.

Posted by: gKWVE at January 07, 2025 01:31 PM (gKWVE)

131 Least successful president who tried to expand borders and didn't?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison


Who is Buchanan, Alex?

Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 07, 2025 01:31 PM (DBp+m)

132 122 Raises a question to me:

Least successful president who tried to expand borders and didn't?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison
=======
Your namesake, James Madison. Military during the War of 1812 tried to invade Canada and failed miserably.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 01:32 PM (ctrM5)

133 I am confident Trump can make the case to Greenlanders they'll be much, much better-off as citizens of a US territory than of a Danish territory.
......

They will miss all the canned hams.

Posted by: wth at January 07, 2025 01:32 PM (v0R5T)

134 Rename the Bermuda Triangle the Melania Triangle...

Posted by: Yes one of the Horde dares go there at January 07, 2025 01:32 PM (gWBY1)

135 we canprobably get cuba for $1.85 and airfare to chynah

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at January 07, 2025 01:32 PM (QSrLX)

136 New Greenland:

https://tinyurl.com/36rd7jj9

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at January 07, 2025 01:32 PM (E+OH8)

137 Does Denmark want the VI back ? They can' have them !

Posted by: runner at January 07, 2025 01:32 PM (g47mK)

138 Just did a little googling and at first read it looks like the government of Greenland is pretty far left. But when you really look at it, they are liberal nationalists. They are also pretty proud of their heritage and don't want to see it diluted. My guess is the populist strain runs pretty wide and deep there and they completely get why Trump is against open borders and forced immigration.

Posted by: Roberto at January 07, 2025 01:32 PM (WXTVZ)

139 Motion to rename the earth as "that blue ball with America on it."

Posted by: Shenanigans at January 07, 2025 01:32 PM (pZ0Mr)

140 Why not Gulf of America? Our coastline along the Gulf is at least as long as Mexico's.

Harrumphf
Posted by: IrishEi at January 07, 2025 01:30 PM (3ImbR)


America, F*ck Yeah!@

Posted by: Team America World Police at January 07, 2025 01:32 PM (AiZBA)

141 Gulf of America.

Costa del Lex!
Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 07, 2025


***
"Otisville. -- 'OTISville'???"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 07, 2025 01:33 PM (J2vNu)

142 122 I was trying to think of that, but more in terms of how it might have lead to armed conflict. I am drawing a blank.
Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Disinformation Demon at January 07, 2025 01:30 PM (i24o9)

=======

My first thought was Madison and the unofficial aim of the War of 1812 which was to take a swath of Canada, which didn't happen (General William Hull was a cowardly piece of shit).

But it's the only example I can think of.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 07, 2025 01:33 PM (GBKbO)

143 79 Baby seals?
Posted by: wth at January 07, 2025 01:25 PM (v0R5T)
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I can't be part of that club.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 01:26 PM (krQz2)

Fur sure.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 07, 2025 01:33 PM (wtvvX)

144 Gulf of America.

Costa del Lex!
Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 07, 2025


***
"Del Boca Vista!"
(-- Morty Seinfeld, apparently unaware that it means "View of the Mouth")

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 07, 2025 01:34 PM (J2vNu)

145 129 Jefferson knew or suspected he had no constitutional authority to purchase Louisiana - and intended to buy New Orleans, the port itself.

When the entire land mass called Louisiana was offered for sale, Livingston went ahead. $15,000,000 dollars, or about 2c an acre. It hadn’t even been fully mapped or explored yet. Lewis and Clark soon took care of that, along with a few good ole boys from Kentucky.

They lost a single soldier - Sgt. Floyd - who likely had a ruptured appendix and died. In those days untreatable anywhere by anyone.
Posted by: Common Tater at January 07, 2025 01:31 PM (2UFTi)

=======

Jefferson thought of trying to get a Constitutional Amendment passed to authorize the purchase, but he just did it anyway.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 07, 2025 01:34 PM (GBKbO)

146 Greenland has a shitton of natural resources. Like buying Alaska again.

Posted by: Ryan Frank at January 07, 2025 01:34 PM (7+lgI)

147 It's a giant aircraft carrier that allows us to project power in Europe. Like Iceland, but without the possibility of them kicking us off of their island. Or having to deal with NATO nonsense.

Posted by: EFG at January 07, 2025 01:31 PM (/F4Jb)

As portrayed in that excellent miniseries, Guardians of the Sky. They landed in Greenland on their way to the UK.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, go for soda at January 07, 2025 01:34 PM (xPJvm)

148 123 Why not Gulf of America? Our coastline along the Gulf is at least as long as Mexico's.

Harrumphf
Posted by: IrishEi at January 07, 2025 01:30 PM (3ImbR)

*****

Heh. Talk to me after Trump proposes changing the name of "Sea of Cortez" to something like "Sea of American Kick-Ass."

Oh snap! That's a power play!

Posted by: EFG at January 07, 2025 01:34 PM (/F4Jb)

149 >>
And we're reaping all the benefits.
Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 01:22 PM (krQz2)

Needed video... his eyes bulging gets me every time, and the curtain slide.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aK8vVk4_n2Q

Posted by: LizLem at January 07, 2025 01:34 PM (gWBY1)

150 Yes, I agree what has been done to Rudy is a stain on our nation. “Somebody do something”.

Why don’t normal decent peaceable people form mobs and start burning these motherfuckers out?

“They got insurance” right? So it’s all good, and Mostly Peaceful.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 07, 2025 01:34 PM (2UFTi)

151 The thing about Greenland is, the more you look at it, the better an idea it is.

Chief among the reasons is how much it pisses off the right people.

But, making it an American protectorate that we don't need a passport to travel to is a cool idea.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 07, 2025 01:34 PM (R3Yln)

152 Give up a few of these territories that are only clinging to the U.S. for the grift. Do we *need* territories in the far Pacific?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius,
----

If we nuked China we wouldn't have to concern ourselves over the far east unless Japan got pissy.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 07, 2025 01:34 PM (6hvzW)

153 I'm still holding out to be the Viceroy of British Columbia, and then rename it South Yukon.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 07, 2025 01:34 PM (W/lyH)

154 A Greenlander's opinion:

https://tinyurl.com/5dtjwwft

Posted by: IrishEi at January 07, 2025 01:35 PM (3ImbR)

155 141 Gulf of America.

Costa del Lex!
Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 07, 2025

***
"Otisville. -- 'OTISville'???"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 07, 2025 01:33 PM (J2vNu)

God, that was a great scene. Gene Hackman and Ned Beatty!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 07, 2025 01:35 PM (wtvvX)

156 I am confident Trump can make the case to Greenlanders they'll be much, much better-off as citizens of a US territory than of a Danish territory.
......

They will miss all the canned hams.


Denmark has some of the most striking women in the world.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 01:35 PM (xCA6C)

157 My chief reasons for supporting these seemingly wild-ass Trumpian reaches are:

1) Because fuck it, why not?
2) It makes the left mad.

Any practical economic or strategic benefit is just gravy to me. As long as the salt continues to flow, I'm good. I'm cautiously optimistic about Trump 2, Electric Boogaloo just based on prior experience, but if nothing else he's going to make all the people I enjoy laughing at being mad...mad for the next four years. Lmao.

Posted by: ballistic at January 07, 2025 01:35 PM (Sa0bK)

158 Posted by: Pug Mahon, go for soda at January 07, 2025 01:34 PM (xPJvm)

****

I never heard of that miniseries.

Thanks for the info.

Posted by: EFG at January 07, 2025 01:35 PM (/F4Jb)

159 If Canuck provinces were to join we’d need a 1:1 breakup of American states. For instance Ontario becomes a state, then Washington is split into two and the eastern side of the state becomes its own deep red state to offset the deep blue Ontario. BC joins, NY is split into two states with NYC as a new state and old NY state instantly becoming deep red to offset deep blue BC. And so on.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at January 07, 2025 01:35 PM (uO4Gq)

160 Just what we need: another California, but with shitty weather.

Hooray.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 07, 2025 01:35 PM (BI5O2)

161 No color revolution in Greenland. Too cold, man.

Posted by: The CIA at January 07, 2025 01:36 PM (paSBy)

162 151 The thing about Greenland is, the more you look at it, the better an idea it is.

Chief among the reasons is how much it pisses off the right people.

But, making it an American protectorate that we don't need a passport to travel to is a cool idea.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
---

If it pisses off the right people there must be something to it.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 07, 2025 01:36 PM (6hvzW)

163 Take Greenland not Canada....

Posted by: It's me donna at January 07, 2025 01:36 PM (VE6XX)

164 Denmark has some of the most striking women in the world.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 01:35 PM (xCA6C)
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And some of the daintiest, softest, most effeminate "men" in Europe, and that's already a high bar to clear.

Posted by: ballistic at January 07, 2025 01:36 PM (Sa0bK)

165 Denmark used to be a major shipping and agricultural center with a history of tolerance, liberal thought and dogged resistance to tyranny.
Now it is a major pork producer and a center of Islamic terrorism. The EU is working on resolving that preeminence in pork production.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 07, 2025 01:36 PM (D7oie)

166 Has anyone ever discovered any virgins in the Virgin Islands?
Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 07, 2025 01:36 PM (W/lyH)

167 Greenland has a shitton of natural resources. Like buying Alaska again.
Posted by: Ryan Frank at January 07, 2025 01:34 PM (7+lgI)
~~~~~

Bingo!

Posted by: IrishEi at January 07, 2025 01:36 PM (3ImbR)

168 Upon second thought, Greenland makes a lot of sense. We've got millions of people that need to go somewhere and Greenland has a lot of resources that need workers. Two problems solved at once.
Posted by: Roberto at January 07, 2025 01:27 PM (WXTVZ)


Holding camp for illegals pending the outcome of their "get the fuck out" hearings. That way we're not putting a burden on poor Mexico.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 07, 2025 01:36 PM (ExV1e)

169 /sock

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at January 07, 2025 01:37 PM (AiZBA)

170 129 Jefferson knew or suspected he had no constitutional authority to purchase Louisiana - and intended to buy New Orleans, the port itself.
Posted by: Common Tater
==========
Jefferson had authorization by Congress to try to buy New Orleans as a port. Napoleon in one of his mercurial decisions offered to sell all of it. Jefferson could have convened Congress but feared what the English (engaged in a war with France) might do to forestall it or Napoleon might withdraw the offer just as suddenly.

So he essentially wrote a hot check on the Treasury (not legally authorized) for the whole thing and asked for Congressional approval after the fact.

He got it because fait accompli making it hard for Congress to vote it down as a national embarrassment and even a lot of New Englanders ended up approving it because it removed French influence (which they regarded as pernicious) on the American frontier and its politics.


Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 01:37 PM (ctrM5)

171 Their locally elected government is explicitly socialist so I'm guessing not.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic

...and therefore, used to having people hand them money for doing nothing.

Posted by: Auspex at January 07, 2025 01:37 PM (j4U/Z)

172 I'm thinking (hoping) that this is maybe just some kind of stray voltage to get the Left worked up over and distract it from the real work to be done.
Posted by: Dr. Fausti


Undoubtedly it is. That's how he works. Bigfooting everything and then makes a smaller demand that people will be ok with out of relief.

I hope the Canada gag is a gambit for reordering the State Department.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 07, 2025 01:37 PM (IG4Id)

173 116
‘ Do we *need* territories in the far Pacific?’

Guam’s pretty useful when we need to bomb someplace in East Asia.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 07, 2025 01:37 PM (jbnUc)

174 160 Just what we need: another California, but with shitty weather.

Hooray.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
---

We could make HI and AK territories again, that would balance it.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 07, 2025 01:37 PM (6hvzW)

175 One thing is apparent: President Trump obviously isn't concerned about getting re-elected.

The Deep State is having a conniption right about now.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 07, 2025 01:37 PM (tT6L1)

176 I say we take Northwest Territories and the Yukon. They can keep the rest.

Posted by: Remarkably Unremarkable at January 07, 2025 01:37 PM (Jw2qQ)

177 No Canadian would want to join the States. For what reason? Flood the nation with guns and take away health care? Wtf?!

Trump is looking more Hitlerian by the day with these nationalistic vows of conquest. Nothing like Hitler; no siree!

Posted by: Sid at January 07, 2025 01:37 PM (8Nrgb)

178 Yeah Buchanan did not do well annexing Deseret, for all he claimed it was "Utah Territory". The US troops he got Brigham Young to station there ended up as Brigham Young's hostages until 1865ish.

Posted by: gKWVE at January 07, 2025 01:38 PM (gKWVE)

179 Get people so worked up about naming bodies of water and who owns a giant useless hellhole island that no one notices you shitcanned 90% of the three-letters.

Good plan.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 07, 2025 01:38 PM (+iIV1)

180 What? We're not renaming the Atlantic American Ocean East and the Pacific American Ocean West?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 07, 2025 01:38 PM (L/fGl)

181 Trump, you brilliant bastard

Posted by: Roberto at January 07, 2025 01:38 PM (MmCMV)

182 Greenland has an absolutely huge crater underneath its ice sheet. Probably from a large interstellar object. We need the space alien tech.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at January 07, 2025 01:38 PM (F/xk0)

183 Greenland is in reality much smaller in size. About 1/3 the size of the continental US. Still a good chunk of real estate but not what most people assume it is.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at January 07, 2025


***
Those same maps make Antarctica look like it's vastly larger too, dwarfing all the other continents. Mercator projections -- the ones you usually find in world atlases and other books, because of flat pages.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 07, 2025 01:38 PM (J2vNu)

184

Pug Mahon, go for soda at January 07, 2025 01:34 PM (xPJvm)

****

I never heard of that miniseries.

Thanks for the info.
Posted by: EFG at January 07, 2025 01:35 PM (/F4Jb)

I think I pooched the name of the show, but it's an HBO thing and it's pretty dang good. Just watched it recently.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, go for soda at January 07, 2025 01:39 PM (xPJvm)

185 Don’t know what Trump can do in Gaza that the IDF hasn’t done.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 07, 2025 01:39 PM (7MHHr)

186 Well, it seems to have served Trump well.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 07, 2025 01:29 PM (4hg8f)

He's a billionaire president and I'm an idiot on the internet. Where did it all go wrong!

Posted by: ... at January 07, 2025 01:39 PM (QB9Mc)

187 166 Has anyone ever discovered any virgins in the Virgin Islands?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 07, 2025 01:36 PM (W/lyH)
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Well, Epstein Island (Little Saint James) is in the USVI, so.....

Posted by: ballistic at January 07, 2025 01:39 PM (Sa0bK)

188 ‘ Do we *need* territories in the far Pacific?’

Guam’s pretty useful when we need to bomb someplace in East Asia.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 07, 2025 01:37 PM (jbnUc)
---
Just step carefully!

Posted by: Hank! at January 07, 2025 01:39 PM (krQz2)

189 The Van Buren Boys.

Posted by: Kramer at January 07, 2025 01:39 PM (dg+HA)

190 Lets cut Hawaii loose and add Greenland

Posted by: It's me donna at January 07, 2025 01:39 PM (VE6XX)

191 The quip about "Gulf of America" was probably more about tweaking Mexico and their role in the illegals being moved into the US than anything else.

Greenland is all about rare earth metals and minerals that China currently has a monopoly on. National security too. Keeps Russia honest, to a point. And the Arctic is an important region for trade and resources anyway.

He did riff at length about the Panama Canal. That one I think he's got the bit between his teeth on. He'll make a play for it. The resistance from his own government will be significantly more than what Panama or China (who's "managing" the canal now) will put up.

His comments about *biden's EO's and the recent bans on drilling tell me he's a bit pissed off about having to deal with all that. He also went into some length about the lawfare against him. I just hope he's pissed off enough to get some retribution this time.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 07, 2025 01:39 PM (Q4IgG)

192 Re Greenland, Trump made noises about annexing the place in his last term. I've actually been in Greenland (if only briefly) when my unit was on our way back from Reforger1982 when our C141 aircraft had an emergency hydraulics problem, and we had to switch planes there. Wherever we were in Greenland was so top secret we were ordered to look straight ahead at the man in front of us when disembarking and then embarking onto our new ride. We were told it would be a court martial offense if we let our eyes wander onto stuff we weren't authorized to see. So yeah, THAT top secret.

We apparently have extremely valuable assets on that land mass and (my guess) Trump doesn't like those assets being (technically at least) on foreign soil.

Posted by: troyriser at January 07, 2025 01:40 PM (DPeYO)

193 ‘ Do we *need* territories in the far Pacific?’

Guam’s pretty useful when we need to bomb someplace in East Asia.


Yup. Unless we want to simply walk away from Taiwan, we need such island bases.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 01:40 PM (xCA6C)

194 Madison lost territory in Oregon and would have lost Louisiana too if Jackson hadn't been there.
Madison was a very, VERY lucky idiot.

Posted by: gKWVE at January 07, 2025 01:40 PM (gKWVE)

195 The Gulf of America bit is grade-A trolling. He could throw in making Romania and Chad have different flags.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at January 07, 2025 01:40 PM (amTrm)

196 In a month or two, Trump will begin telling us that Greenland has beautiful scenery and fabulous natural wonders. Much better than the average-level crap in Iceland. He'll ask why should American spend money for excursions to Iceland when they can see better things in Greenland, cheaper, and spend their money in a part of the US not in expensive foreign country Iceland! It's who he is, and I'm loving it.

Posted by: Gref at January 07, 2025 01:40 PM (aBgBM)

197 >

It's actually in a valuable location. We need to restore our pharmaceutical industry there, and restore the Arecibo observatory.

Estimates are that rebuilding the Arecibo telescope would cost around $400-500 million. I'm pretty sure NASA has that lost in its couch cushions. Or, they can take the money from the DEI NASA programs and put it to better use there.

Posted by: LizLem at January 07, 2025 01:40 PM (gWBY1)

198 Don’t know what Trump can do in Gaza that the IDF hasn’t done.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 07, 2025 01:39 PM (7MHHr)

give Isralis intelligence that Biden is holding back ?

Posted by: runner at January 07, 2025 01:40 PM (g47mK)

199 120
‘ WOW!’

Hub. That sounds like some kind of gene for sadism.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 07, 2025 01:40 PM (jbnUc)

200 159 If Canuck provinces were to join we’d need a 1:1 breakup of American states. For instance Ontario becomes a state, then Washington is split into two and the eastern side of the state becomes its own deep red state to offset the deep blue Ontario. BC joins, NY is split into two states with NYC as a new state and old NY state instantly becoming deep red to offset deep blue BC. And so on.
Posted by: Its Go Time Donald
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States have to approve being split up with the possible exception of Texas who entered the US under treaty with its own power to subdivide into several states itself. Offhand, I can recall Georgia, for example, ceding its western territory to the US govt to form Alabama and Mississippi. Mass agreed to separate from Maine. WV is the exception of state approval to split as Lincoln held that VA could not justly contest WV split as it had literally left the union at the time.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 01:40 PM (ctrM5)

201 I bet the see ya ya knows where, who and how

Posted by: runner at January 07, 2025 01:41 PM (g47mK)

202 And some of the daintiest, softest, most effeminate "men" in Europe, and that's already a high bar to clear.
Posted by: ballistic at January 07, 2025 01:36 PM (Sa0bK)

*****

Huh. Never been there. I heard they were real tall.

Soft, maybe. But tall.

Posted by: EFG at January 07, 2025 01:41 PM (/F4Jb)

203 Get people so worked up about naming bodies of water and who owns a giant useless hellhole island that no one notices you shitcanned 90% of the three-letters.
Good plan.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 07, 2025 01:38 PM (+iIV1)
~~~~~

Yes, everything that you said!

Except the bold part--that's not true!

Posted by: IrishEi at January 07, 2025 01:41 PM (3ImbR)

204 Trump pretty much says whatever he thinks... I like it... LOL
Posted by: It's me donna

In that regard, I think it is fair to say Trump is the Teddy Roosevelt of our time.

Bully!!

Posted by: Tonypete at January 07, 2025 01:41 PM (WXNFJ)

205 He said he'd only be a dictator on day one.

Posted by: It'll be a looooong day at January 07, 2025 01:42 PM (dg+HA)

206 Oops - missed comment #54.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 07, 2025 01:42 PM (WXNFJ)

207 The “watermelons” have made Rare Earth and Strategic Minerals mining practically impossible in America. We don’t have a huge supply, but there are significant deposits. They are simply off limits.

That is why Chyna controls the supply. Our betters have worked tirelessly for decades to hobble or cripple our industries and kneecap critical infrastructure and national defense. This is intentional and has nothing to do with “protecting our natural resources”. It’s more or less the Morgenthau Plan, near as anyone can tell.

I suspect they have been pledging federal lands as a kind of collateral for quite some time. All of our energy problems are completely self-inflicted, it is absolutely criminal what they have done, never mind what they are trying to do. Totally unnecessary

Posted by: Common Tater at January 07, 2025 01:42 PM (2UFTi)

208 Chile can keep its flag. Texans need to borrow it from time to time on 4chan

Posted by: gKWVE at January 07, 2025 01:42 PM (gKWVE)

209 I think the Canada thing is mostly to remind everyone of how small they are when they start spouting their stupid bullshit. Not that anyone cares about Canada but recall how the left tried to use it to "sell" America on their Healthcare theft. Trump says "no, we have hick towns more important than you, now fuck off."

Posted by: ... at January 07, 2025 01:42 PM (QB9Mc)

210 >>>even a lot of New Englanders ended up approving it because it removed French influence (which they regarded as pernicious) on the American frontier and its politics.

Posted by: whig
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Even New Englanders get it right .....sometime.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 07, 2025 01:42 PM (6hvzW)

211 204 Trump pretty much says whatever he thinks... I like it... LOL
Posted by: It's me donna

In that regard, I think it is fair to say Trump is the Teddy Roosevelt of our time.

Bully!!
Posted by: Tonypete at January 07, 2025 01:41 PM (WXNFJ)

So let it be written, so let it be done....

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2025 01:42 PM (QAkQ3)

212 >>>Huh. Never been there. I heard they were real tall.
~~~~~

The Dutch. The Dutch are giants.

Posted by: IrishEi at January 07, 2025 01:42 PM (3ImbR)

213
The indigenous people of Greenland cry out.

Posted by: Indigenous people of Greenland at January 07, 2025 01:42 PM (+oR7L)

214 It would be the nation state equivalent of a bugchasing homo deliberately contracting flesheating monkeypox.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 07, 2025 01:26 PM (BI5O2)


We already are supporting the suppurating fistula. I think this is the first step (like dealing with NATO last round) of getting Canada off the subsidy rolls.
"If I am going to give you $200 a month for your rent, you might as well start mowing my lawn and washing my car"

Posted by: Kindltot at January 07, 2025 01:42 PM (D7oie)

215 194 Madison lost territory in Oregon and would have lost Louisiana too if Jackson hadn't been there.
Madison was a very, VERY lucky idiot.
Posted by: gKWVE

First and last Commander in Chief to actually command troops at Bladensburg, MD to try to prevent British taking DC. Ineffective but in fairness his troops were Maryland militia I think against a skilled British expeditionary force.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 01:42 PM (ctrM5)

216 I’d love to know what Trump’s reason for wanting Greenland. Watch a documentary on Denmark. Seems like a very wealthy little country.

Posted by: S&P at January 07, 2025 01:43 PM (Uy/WF)

217 Trump has been clear in the U.S. interest in Greenland. Strategic minerals, freedom of navigation in the Arctic, and depriving Russia and China of the same.

Posted by: blaster at January 07, 2025 01:43 PM (QfvaV)

218 Don’t know what Trump can do in Gaza that the IDF hasn’t done.
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 07, 2025 01:39 PM (7MHHr)
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He's just told Gaza and the Palestinians the half measures of support for the IDF are over. I'd also hazard a guess Gaza isn't willing to take the chance that it's all just bluster. Remember, we were able to get the intelligence needed to hit an austere religious scholar while he was on the move.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 07, 2025 01:43 PM (tT6L1)

219 One thing is apparent: President Trump obviously isn't concerned about getting re-elected.

The Deep State is having a conniption right about now.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1)
......

and I was laughing through the whole press conference. Totally enjoyed it.

Posted by: wth at January 07, 2025 01:43 PM (v0R5T)

220 Costa del Lex!
Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 07, 2025

***
"Otisville. -- 'OTISville'???"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 07, 2025
*
God, that was a great scene. Gene Hackman and Ned Beatty!
Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 07, 2025


***
Hackman looked like he was having so much fun, in that and the second film too. "'Bow! Yield! Kneel!' That kind of stuff closes out of town."

As for Ned Beatty, he was the only actor playing a local in The Big Easy who actually sounded like he had grown up in New Orleans.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 07, 2025 01:43 PM (J2vNu)

221 Greenland's population is less than a couple week's worth of illegal immigrants. Half of their economy is welfare from Denmark.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at January 07, 2025 01:43 PM (wBaIH)

222 I'm pretty sure NASA has that lost in its couch cushions. Or, they can take the money from the DEI NASA programs and put it to better use there.

Insty has started calling for cutting NASA's SLS, what with Space X already doing what it want to do, but faster and cheaper by orders of magnitude. We've got to cut the Federal budget somewhere, and this seems like an excellent choice.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 01:43 PM (xCA6C)

223 problem, and we had to switch planes there. Wherever we were in Greenland was so top secret we were ordered to look straight ahead at the man in front of us when disembarking and then embarking onto our new ride. We were told it would be a court martial offense if we let our eyes wander onto stuff we weren't authorized to see. So yeah, THAT top secret.

=====

They're breeding tauntauns up there

Posted by: Huma at January 07, 2025 01:43 PM (+/3EU)

224 If we grab Greenland, sure as hell the NFL will want to play football there. I'm thinking the Qaqortoq Icebergs!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at January 07, 2025 01:43 PM (W/lyH)

225 The purpose of a strategic alignment with Greenland is mostly about the Arctic shipping lanes. Right now, Russia holds a significant strategic position over us. Greenland would level the playing field and potentially tip the scales in our favor.

Access to minerals is important and I'm sure that is part of the equation but the overriding importance is on protecting the shipping lanes both for commerce and for military reasons.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2025 01:43 PM (LkLld)

226 Wolfus Aurelius,

Guam, yes.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 07, 2025 01:43 PM (u82oZ)

227 180 What? We're not renaming the Atlantic American Ocean East and the Pacific American Ocean West?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at January 07, 2025 01:38 PM (L/fGl)

****

Now *THAT'S* a power play.

Posted by: EFG at January 07, 2025 01:44 PM (/F4Jb)

228 Trump is a madman and I'm loving It.

Posted by: vmom deport deport deport at January 07, 2025 01:44 PM (6eIgS)

229 I don't know why we'd want Greenland,

Always be Trumping?
Cheap practice for and a better use of cash than Mars?

Posted by: DaveA at January 07, 2025 01:44 PM (FhXTo)

230 We could meet Denmark halfway and give them
Puerto Rico.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 07, 2025 01:26 PM (ESO0m)

That seems fair. Until Denmark finds out how worthless Porto Ricans are.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at January 07, 2025 01:44 PM (g8Ew8)

231 215 First and last Commander in Chief to actually command troops at Bladensburg, MD to try to prevent British taking DC. Ineffective but in fairness his troops were Maryland militia I think against a skilled British expeditionary force.
Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 01:42 PM (ctrM5)

=======

I think he told a battery to fire, and that was about it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 07, 2025 01:44 PM (GBKbO)

232 It's actually in a valuable location. We need to restore our pharmaceutical industry there, and restore the Arecibo observatory.
Posted by: LizLem


Terrestrial telescopes are 20th century tech. We be in the 21st century, yo~! It's satellites and lunars bases for the next gen.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 07, 2025 01:44 PM (IG4Id)

233 Masters of the Air, Pug? Yep Greenland airfields were stops on the way to the UK.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 07, 2025 01:44 PM (1m82a)

234 >>> He did riff at length about the Panama Canal. That one I think he's got the bit between his teeth on. He'll make a play for it. The resistance from his own government will be significantly more than what Panama or China (who's "managing" the canal now) will put up

Our men spilled their blood and died building it. We should not to pay tariffs on it, especially tariffs shadow imposed by China. On that I agree 100%.

Posted by: LizLem at January 07, 2025 01:45 PM (gWBY1)

235 Are Greenlanders of a conservative bent? Anyone know?

it's a welfare-addicted equivalent of an indian reservation

Posted by: brak at January 07, 2025 01:45 PM (jGJov)

236 Trumps feint at Canada took out Trudeau.

Work is done.

Posted by: blaster at January 07, 2025 01:45 PM (QfvaV)

237 Bet the press is sorry Trump won.... They will miss Joe's press conferences

Posted by: It's me donna at January 07, 2025 01:45 PM (VE6XX)

238 The indigenous people of Greenland cry out.
Posted by: Indigenous people of Greenland



"meep" in 1.4 point legal font.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2025 01:46 PM (NOkyf)

239 Are the Inuit chicks hot?

Posted by: wth at January 07, 2025 01:46 PM (v0R5T)

240 And some of the daintiest, softest, most effeminate "men" in Europe, and that's already a high bar to clear.
Posted by: ballistic at January 07, 2025 01:36 PM (Sa0bK)


Mrs D vehemently disagrees...after travelling up there with some friends while I was spending a few weeks in the mud with my Army buddies.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 07, 2025 01:46 PM (W/lyH)

241 Regardless of the origin, Trump has had his say and now there is something to be talked about. Danish politicians are going to be asked about it and the official government will have to discuss a response and perhaps even consider an offer. That's assuming they didn't initiate it in the first place.

This is a little bit like walking up to a house and knocking on the door and asking the owner if they're willing to sell. The owner may not have been thinking about it, but he asked about how much are you willing to pay. At that point the owner subconsciously calculates his profit from the sale of the house. Sometimes, when something isn't for sale you have to make the market.

Posted by: Roberto at January 07, 2025 01:46 PM (MmCMV)

242 I we do end up with Greenland, and that's a BIG IF, we're going to need workers to get the place up to our standards. If only we had a population of young men who, we're told, only want to work to build better lives, to send up there.

Posted by: spongeworthy at January 07, 2025 01:46 PM (CDWlY)

243 Buying Greenland would be the first time someone made a real estate purchase that would appreciate in value if global warming was real.

Posted by: mikeski at January 07, 2025 01:46 PM (Py/2A)

244 OK. I love PDT and can't wait to see what he will do. But Greenland and re-naming of the gulf? Stupid distractions we don't need.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 07, 2025 01:46 PM (ewjUl)

245 China wants to mine in Greenland. The way China mines is to use all Chinese labor and with heavy Chinese investment in ports, etc. and they turn it into a military base.

Denmark is going to screw that up. They want no mining because they are Euroweenies. Greenland is likely to invite the Chinese in for some development, and then suddenly the US has China in a very strategic position dominating the Artic.

Trump is telling China this is a key strategic territory and he will not allow it.

Posted by: Gentlemen, time for a reckoning at January 07, 2025 01:47 PM (Wz1Ib)

246 Voting for Trump because you don't like "neocons" and "forever wars", only to get John McCain's wish of bombing Iran and pointless wars for Greenland and the Panama Canal? That's almost as bad as demanding an "America First" immigration policy and being told that we need more H-1B visas.


Posted by: Glenn John at January 07, 2025 01:47 PM (mRGUC)

247 Masters of the Air, Pug? Yep Greenland airfields were stops on the way to the UK.
Posted by: rhomboid at January 07, 2025 01:44 PM (1m82a)

Ah yes, I knew I had messed up the name. I liked it a lot. them B-17s were unbelievably durable.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, go for soda at January 07, 2025 01:47 PM (xPJvm)

248 185 Don’t know what Trump can do in Gaza that the IDF hasn’t done.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 07, 2025 01:39 PM (7MHHr)


He's making all of our Middle East enemies but especially Iran seriously think about what Trump has in mind. They know it isn't sending his SecState, Marco Rubio, over there to talk, talk, talk.

Posted by: Gref at January 07, 2025 01:47 PM (aBgBM)

249 I thought it was "OtisBERG."

Posted by: Bulg at January 07, 2025 01:47 PM (77rzZ)

250 I think he told a battery to fire, and that was about it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison


"Teslas up! Fire!"

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2025 01:47 PM (NOkyf)

251 As for Ned Beatty, he was the only actor playing a local in The Big Easy who actually sounded like he had grown up in New Orleans.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 07, 2025 01:43 PM (J2vNu)

No one sounds like a coonass but a real coonass.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at January 07, 2025 01:47 PM (g8Ew8)

252 Yeah looking for “ Conservatives” in Greenland is a fool’s errand… they’re Scandi adjacent, plus the Indigenous Grift… nah..

Posted by: tubal at January 07, 2025 01:48 PM (PCK5/)

253 You guys know Harry Truman tried to buy Greenland back in 1946 for $100 million in gold, right?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2025 01:48 PM (LkLld)

254 Stupid distractions we don't need.
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 07, 2025 01:46 PM (ewjUl)

I disagree.. These are just the distractions we need...

Posted by: It's me donna at January 07, 2025 01:48 PM (VE6XX)

255 China has been playing a for-real version of "Risk" for years now while the US has been sitting on its hands. Getting the Canal back and Greenland would be great strategic moves.

Posted by: brak at January 07, 2025 01:48 PM (jGJov)

256 My strategic bet is an all-out assault on N. Yemen. Including B-52s and a lot of unguided M-84s.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 07, 2025 01:48 PM (u82oZ)

257 On he gulf.

China wants to rename everything around them. For example, the Sea of Japan.

This may be Trump showing China that he can be as ruthless and illogical as they are. Or maybe he thinks he is in a pissing contest with them. I like his competitive spirit though.

Posted by: Gentlemen, time for a reckoning at January 07, 2025 01:49 PM (Wz1Ib)

258 Trump is a madman and I'm loving It.
Posted by: vmom deport deport deport
......

I know! It's like having my best friend from HS as president.

Posted by: wth at January 07, 2025 01:49 PM (v0R5T)

259 I we do end up with Greenland, and that's a BIG IF, we're going to need workers to get the place up to our standards. If only we had a population of young men who, we're told, only want to work to build better lives, to send up there.

Posted by: spongeworthy

From the tropics to the frozen tundra!

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 07, 2025 01:49 PM (Insgc)

260 Don’t know what Trump can do in Gaza that the IDF hasn’t done.

Posted by: Tom Servo


"Irael, the smoking lamp it lit. Smoke 'em if you've got 'em. The light is green. No one will interfere."

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2025 01:49 PM (NOkyf)

261 252 Yeah looking for “ Conservatives” in Greenland is a fool’s errand… they’re Scandi adjacent, plus the Indigenous Grift… nah..
Posted by: tubal at January 07, 2025 01:48 PM (PCK5/)

Just saw a picture of Don Jr. who is there now with some locals with MAGA hats on and big grins

Posted by: It's me donna at January 07, 2025 01:49 PM (VE6XX)

262
17 Greenland. There's a reason for it, rest assured. Whether it's oil, uranium, strategic, or a combination of the above.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing

We are going to need it for forward basing in the coming European crusades against the moose-lims.

Posted by: BifBewalski at January 07, 2025 01:49 PM (Qc9Bg)

263 Another thing we need a polar presence for: the Project-Orion Pulse Rocket. The EMP effect isn't as bad at the poles and also doesn't affect as many people.

Posted by: gKWVE says fuck it, let's do this at January 07, 2025 01:49 PM (gKWVE)

264 Yeah, CHina's been pushing and not getting any pushback. It is time.

Posted by: runner at January 07, 2025 01:49 PM (g47mK)

265 B-17s were unbelievably durable.

Book: "all but the flak" about sourcing B-17s for movies.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with festive little caps and interpretive dance. at January 07, 2025 01:49 PM (niC41)

266 >>> Terrestrial telescopes are 20th century tech. We be in the 21st century, yo~! It's satellites and lunars bases for the next gen.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 07, 2025 01:44 PM (IG4Id)

Maybe, but diversifying our space tech -- like diversifying financial investments and sources of energy -- can't be a bad thing.

Plus I've been there and seen it in person. It was so cool. It had a neat little visitor's center I'm sure is shuttered now.

Posted by: LizLem at January 07, 2025 01:49 PM (gWBY1)

267 Second, B-1s and MOABs on the Iranian nuke program. Throw in some deep penetrators as well.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 07, 2025 01:50 PM (u82oZ)

268 Just looked up the thickness of the Greenland Ice Sheet… 1 mile thick, minimum, 2 miles thick, maximum… so, mine away, I guess…

Posted by: tubal at January 07, 2025 01:50 PM (PCK5/)

269 196 In a month or two, Trump will begin telling us that Greenland has beautiful scenery and fabulous natural wonders. Much better than the average-level crap in Iceland. He'll ask why should American spend money for excursions to Iceland when they can see better things in Greenland, cheaper, and spend their money in a part of the US not in expensive foreign country Iceland! It's who he is, and I'm loving it.

Posted by: Gref at January 07, 2025 01:40 PM (aBgBM)

*****

Who is this Gref guy? Are you a sock for Sean Gillis?

https://tinyurl.com/mpt8978k

Posted by: EFG at January 07, 2025 01:50 PM (/F4Jb)

270 This may be Trump showing China that he can be as ruthless and illogical as they are. Or maybe he thinks he is in a pissing contest with them. I like his competitive spirit though.
Posted by: Gentlemen, time for a reckoning at January 07, 2025 01:49 PM (Wz1Ib)
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PDT recognizes we have an adversary, not partner, in China. Which may explain a lot of what just went on in the press conference.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 07, 2025 01:50 PM (tT6L1)

271 Jefferson thought of trying to get a Constitutional Amendment passed to authorize the purchase, but he just did it anyway.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Wasn't necessary. Congress already had authorized buying property in the past and that included authorizing buying the port of Louisiana. Jefferson's qualms were over the necessary and proper battle that he lost during the Washington Administration with Hamilton (re the First Bank of the US). But Jefferson rejected going to Congress because of expediency, dispatch, and on the principle it is better to ask forgiveness than permission. Rightly so, it was probably Jefferson's best decisions of his presidency along with fighting the Barbary pirates and Lewis and Clark expedition.

Most of the rest of it was trivial and even harmful. Jefferson's crackpot idea of gunboats and tweaking the British along with neglect of the Adams built Navy and the Army bequeathed to him by the Federalists. Madison ended up paying the price for those decisions as well as the ill advised War of 1812. Madison, unlike Jefferson, was unable to separate his pragmatism from his perceived constitutional role in his first term but did so in term 2.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 01:50 PM (ctrM5)

272 Trump slammed some reporterett trying to make a big deal about all supposed LEO's killed on J6 by the insurrectionists. Completely turned it around and made a point that Ashley Babbit was the only person confirmed killed that day, possibly a second woman, which he will be looking into.This is awesome.

The killer of Babbit better hope for a pardon from Biden. He is on Trumps radar.

Posted by: Ripley at January 07, 2025 01:51 PM (GUOwU)

273 261 252 Yeah looking for “ Conservatives” in Greenland is a fool’s errand… they’re Scandi adjacent, plus the Indigenous Grift… nah..
Posted by: tubal at January 07, 2025 01:48 PM (PCK5/)

Just saw a picture of Don Jr. who is there now with some locals with MAGA hats on and big grins
Posted by: It's me donna at January 07, 2025 01:49 PM (VE6XX)

Well, sure…

Posted by: tubal at January 07, 2025 01:51 PM (PCK5/)

274 The Vikings went to Greenland before they ended up on Oak Island.

Posted by: wth at January 07, 2025 01:51 PM (v0R5T)

275 You guys know Harry Truman tried to buy Greenland back in 1946 for $100 million in gold, right?
Posted by: JackStraw


Right after we had had a wartime protectorate over it.

Posted by: Bulg at January 07, 2025 01:51 PM (77rzZ)

276 China wants to rename everything around them. For example, the Sea of Japan.

TBH, I'd kind of give them that one. It's a small token of revenge for Japan's refusal to really apologize for their bestiality in WWII.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 01:51 PM (xCA6C)

277 Is Greenland to mess with Canada? They would be boxed in. We don’t want Canada. We just need to stop sending them money.

Posted by: Piper at January 07, 2025 01:51 PM (pZEOD)

278 Greenland current population is 56,600.

Posted by: ChristiCat at January 07, 2025 01:51 PM (k78wL)

279 On last post, (did not read comments) I note the blatant absence of Zuckerberg crediting Obama for the censorship. It started just after Trump got elected, and Obama was running things so he is the guy to blame.

It looks like Zuckerberg does not want to make waves with him and everyone has agreed to make Biden the fall guy for everything.

Posted by: Gentlemen, time for a reckoning at January 07, 2025 01:51 PM (Wz1Ib)

280 Take back the 2nd Diomede island from Russia.

Posted by: look whats not at January 07, 2025 01:51 PM (nakGR)

281 271 Most of the rest of it was trivial and even harmful. Jefferson's crackpot idea of gunboats and tweaking the British along with neglect of the Adams built Navy and the Army bequeathed to him by the Federalists. Madison ended up paying the price for those decisions as well as the ill advised War of 1812. Madison, unlike Jefferson, was unable to separate his pragmatism from his perceived constitutional role in his first term but did so in term 2.
Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 01:50 PM (ctrM5)

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The Mosquito Fleet!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 07, 2025 01:52 PM (GBKbO)

282 a ballistic missile (Iran's only practical option for delivery system)

Donkey carts to the Saudi oil fields.

Posted by: DaveA at January 07, 2025 01:52 PM (FhXTo)

283 Has anyone read a book by someone named "Donald Trump" titled "The Art of the Deal"?

Posted by: mrp at January 07, 2025 01:53 PM (rj6Yv)

284 Breaking: Greenland to be renamed Trumpland. Barron Trump will be named Imperator.

Posted by: Archer at January 07, 2025 01:53 PM (IDphi)

285 234 >>> He did riff at length about the Panama Canal. That one I think he's got the bit between his teeth on. He'll make a play for it. The resistance from his own government will be significantly more than what Panama or China (who's "managing" the canal now) will put up

Our men spilled their blood and died building it. We should not to pay tariffs on it, especially tariffs shadow imposed by China. On that I agree 100%.
Posted by: LizLem
=========
Panama is in breach of its treaty obligations regarding managing the canal.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 01:53 PM (ctrM5)

286 Insty has started calling for cutting NASA's SLS,
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SLS makes California's high-speed rail look like the epitome of frugality.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at January 07, 2025 01:53 PM (paSBy)

287 >>I disagree.. These are just the distractions we need...

They aren't even distractions, they are strategic imperatives.

China is spreading its tentacles into all corners of the world with their Belt and Road, thanks Biden, strategy. They are making deals in South America and have put significant military assets around the Panama Canal. They are constantly making noises about Taiwan and building manmade islands to control the South China Sea, one of the most important commercial shipping lanes in the world.

We elect a president to do the entire job not just the parts that are shiny. We cannot allow China to dominate the oceans anymore than we can allow them to continue conquering territory throughout the world on land.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2025 01:53 PM (LkLld)

288 Is Greenland to mess with Canada? They would be boxed in. We don’t want Canada. We just need to stop sending them money.
Posted by: Piper


To block China, as others have said. They have one of the largest patches unexplored mineral and petroleum deposits outside of the Antarctic.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 07, 2025 01:54 PM (IG4Id)

289 There's trolling, and then there's nuts. With Trump you're never sure, but it's getting harder to just write it off as Trump being Trump. Trump unchained is not necessarily all good.

Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at January 07, 2025 01:54 PM (MZ+PY)

290 I thought it was "OtisBERG."
Posted by: Bulg at January 07, 2025


***
Maybe so. It's been a long time since I watched the film.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 07, 2025 01:54 PM (J2vNu)

291 Also, Gulf of America is funny and technically more inclusive.

Posted by: Piper at January 07, 2025 01:54 PM (pZEOD)

292 Trump really knows how to wack the hornets nest.

Posted by: Cicero Skip at January 07, 2025 01:55 PM (4ezYQ)

293 >>> Voting for Trump because you don't like "neocons" and "forever wars", only to get John McCain's wish of bombing Iran and pointless wars for Greenland and the Panama Canal? That's

No one's going to war, Trump's not making Liz Cheney his SecDef. It's just negotiation tactics. Good thing we have a businessman as president, right? It's like watching a master at work, very fascinating. If he fails, fine. But the rewards if any of these crazy schemes actually work... yuuuuuge.

Posted by: LizLem at January 07, 2025 01:55 PM (gWBY1)

294 Barron Trump will be named Imperator.

"Eparkhos" has a better ring to it.

Posted by: the Emperor protects at January 07, 2025 01:55 PM (gKWVE)

295 Greenland current population is 56,600.
Posted by: ChristiCat
.......

Whoa. Where is everybody? You'd think they would stay indoors all day in front of the fireplace doing horizontal folk dancing.

Posted by: wth at January 07, 2025 01:55 PM (v0R5T)

296 Melania would look hot even in a parka.

Posted by: Bulg at January 07, 2025 01:55 PM (77rzZ)

297 Jefferson could not tell Congress what he was up to.

Even then, leaks were a problem. What came to be The L&C expedition was couched as a “literary” (scientific) exploration. Initially Congress allocated 2500 dollars. Final cost was about 38k dollars.

Posted by: Common Tater at January 07, 2025 01:55 PM (2UFTi)

298 NaCly indeed there are two important decisions ripe to be made starting 1/20, Houthis and Iran nuke strike.

And still hard to see what different/additional pain the US can bring to the situation for Hamas, in Gaza at least. Little "press" attention but IDF ramped up its operations recently, has some of the best units engaged again, and is being (properly) utterly unapologetic about aggressively hitting Hamas targets misusing protected sites (schools, "humanitarian zones"). Also working on permanent changes to Philadelphi corridor and the mid-Gaza corridor they're creating.

Guess we'll see.

Posted by: rhomboid at January 07, 2025 01:55 PM (1m82a)

299 We have a ton of leverage with CHina, the reason why it was not used is the corrupt DC apparatchiks who are on Chicom's payroll. Many don't even know that they are. Chinese act through 3rd and 4th parties.

Posted by: runner at January 07, 2025 01:55 PM (g47mK)

300 I think we should probably focus on the decolonization of the United States before entertaining dreams of conquest.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January 07, 2025 01:56 PM (BI5O2)

301 Let’s make colonizing great again! Horned helmets for all. We should work on our war cries.

Posted by: Piper at January 07, 2025 01:56 PM (pZEOD)

302 The only part of our comments du jour that makes it move for me today is renaming the gulf to the Gulf of America… it moved.

Posted by: tubal at January 07, 2025 01:56 PM (PCK5/)

303
Add pardons, pedophilia, and penury to acid, amnesty and abortion for the next Democrat Platform.

Kamala, kocksucking and Kommunism didn't have the right ring to it.

Posted by: Auspex at January 07, 2025 01:56 PM (j4U/Z)

304 There's more to Greenland than polar bears, eskimos, and snow.

Posted by: mrp at January 07, 2025 01:57 PM (rj6Yv)

305 The cool thing about oil and mineral exploration and exploitation in Greenland? No way the environmental pukes will be willing to put up with the climate to protest in person.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 07, 2025 01:57 PM (tT6L1)

306 301 Let’s make colonizing great again! Horned helmets for all. We should work on our war cries.
Posted by: Piper at January 07, 2025 01:56 PM (pZEOD)

And make drinking from the skulls of our enemies great again.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at January 07, 2025 01:57 PM (N39Ws)

307 TrUmP iS tOtAlLy hItLeR, yOu gUyS

Posted by: Squid at January 07, 2025 01:58 PM (uisKS)

308 From Biden Malaise to Trump Morning in America.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at January 07, 2025 01:58 PM (wBaIH)

309 The Mosquito Fleet!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
=========
Not bad for the Great Lakes or Champlain but not so good to defend Baltimore or other ports like New Orleans.

Jefferson and later Madison also made the ill advised embargo on trade which hurt the US and its shipping industry far worse than the Brits. Madison's non intercourse act was more of the same and almost led to secession of NE via the Hartford Convention.

Due to its contradiction of the narrative, one rarely hears about secession moves in terms of New England during a war.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 01:58 PM (ctrM5)

310 > The purpose of a strategic alignment with Greenland is mostly about the Arctic shipping lanes....
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Trump also riffed on the US needing more icebreakers. The newest one, being built now, is the first new American icebreaker in, like, a million years.

And he's not remotely interested in having Canada as a partner in building them.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 07, 2025 01:58 PM (Q4IgG)

311 Because of the huge number of failed and failing projects, China has lost a buttload of money on BRI, and is seriously retrenching to only fund much higher quality projects. Exactly as I predicted.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 01:58 PM (xCA6C)

312 Thar’s Goooold under that there ice!!!

Posted by: tubal at January 07, 2025 01:58 PM (PCK5/)

313 300 I think we should probably focus on the decolonization of the United States before entertaining dreams of conquest.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January

We can do it all! We are Americans! Except those yahoos in California. 😂

Posted by: Piper at January 07, 2025 01:58 PM (pZEOD)

314 There's more to Greenland than polar bears, eskimos, and snow.
Posted by: mrp

There are a lot of fjords there, too. You don't even have to pine for them.

Posted by: Bulg at January 07, 2025 01:58 PM (77rzZ)

315 I see a lot of trolls here wetting their pants over what Trump says. Fuck off. His track record is excellent.

Posted by: Seems Legit at January 07, 2025 01:59 PM (gaKF9)

316 The cool thing about oil and mineral exploration and exploitation in Greenland? No way the environmental pukes will be willing to put up with the climate to protest in person.

They should show commitment by gluing their hands to the ice sheet.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 01:59 PM (xCA6C)

317 Good Afternoon! Before I go out to dig out the car, some musings:

I don't care about Greenland.

Gulf of Mexico is fine. Leave the name alone.

I'm actually good with taking the Panama Canal back. Should have never gave it away.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at January 07, 2025 01:59 PM (sAmhv)

318 309 Jefferson and later Madison also made the ill advised embargo on trade which hurt the US and its shipping industry far worse than the Brits. Madison's non intercourse act was more of the same and almost led to secession of NE via the Hartford Convention.

Due to its contradiction of the narrative, one rarely hears about secession moves in terms of New England during a war.
Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 01:58 PM (ctrM5)

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Massachusetts was very unhappy.

But, the Mosquito Fleet did nothing to help win the Battle of Lake Erie. That was just good old fashioned naval ships with big guns.

I wrote a book about it! Everyone should buy it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 07, 2025 01:59 PM (GBKbO)

319 The View may be popcorn worthy tomorrow. 😄🤡

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 07, 2025 01:59 PM (4tmpE)

320 I think Thomas has been waiting for a long time to set his mark on law and depart from the shadow of Scalia
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It's very inside baseball but it will be the biggest decision of the last 100 years:
Thomas has been itching for decades for a case to over-turn the Slaughterhouse decision.

That shitty decision made any economic regulation by government legal.
And eliminated your right to earn a living, which he sees as a "privilege" protected under the 14th.

A whole shit load of regulations, rules and laws will get tossed if Thomas gets that case.

And you'll see the US dominate economically like never before.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 07, 2025 02:00 PM (R3Yln)

321 >>Geopolitics and Arctic Shipping Lanes: NATO, China, Russia

https://tinyurl.com/5exv944u

Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2025 02:00 PM (LkLld)

322 Wow. And we thought the shift from Carter to Reagan was dramatic.

Posted by: Pepperidge Farm at January 07, 2025 02:00 PM (dg+HA)

323 Let’s make colonizing great again! Horned helmets for all. We should work on our war cries.
Posted by: Piper at January 07, 2025 01:56 PM (pZEOD)

We come from a land of Trump and MAGA where hot springs boil and the cold wind blows. We are your overlords.

Posted by: Archer at January 07, 2025 02:00 PM (IDphi)

324 Are we not entertained??? It is going to be a fun 4 years no matter what…

Posted by: tubal at January 07, 2025 02:00 PM (PCK5/)

325 I think we should probably focus on the decolonization of the United States before entertaining dreams of conquest.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January

We can do it all! We are Americans! Except those yahoos in California. 😂
Posted by: Piper
......

Hey! You're going to need some spies behind enemy lines.

Posted by: wth at January 07, 2025 02:00 PM (v0R5T)

326 Piper, I love that! War whoops could be shared at the Texas MoMee.

Much has been said about Trump admiring Andrew Jackson and Jacksonian Democracy. Apparently that is more true than we ever realized. Manifest Destiny is back on the menu, boys!

Posted by: LizLem at January 07, 2025 02:01 PM (gWBY1)

327 Trump really knows how to wack the hornets nest.
Posted by: Cicero Skip at January 07, 2025 01:55 PM (4ezYQ)

LOL. Indeed.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at January 07, 2025 02:01 PM (g8Ew8)

328 Due to its contradiction of the narrative, one rarely hears about secession moves in terms of New England during a war.
Posted by: whig

True. One of the reasons why Daniel Webster gave his "liberty and union" reply to Hane was to help counteract New England's long-held reputation of separatism.

Posted by: Bulg at January 07, 2025 02:01 PM (77rzZ)

329 And anyone who doesn't get why we SHOULD take back the Panama Canal hasn't been paying attention.

We paid for it.
We built it.
Americans died building it.
It's one of the most important shipping "lanes."
Other countries have their eye on it to control.
Carter should NEVER have given it to Panama.

Posted by: Seems Legit at January 07, 2025 02:01 PM (gaKF9)

330 315 I see a lot of trolls here wetting their pants over what Trump says. Fuck off. His track record is excellent.

Posted by: Seems Legit


Don't you have to go light some candles in your Trump altar?

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 02:01 PM (xCA6C)

331 OH.

HELL.

YES !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 07, 2025 02:01 PM (cY18j)

332 327 Trump really knows how to wack the hornets nest.
Posted by: Cicero Skip at January 07, 2025 01:55 PM (4ezYQ)

LOL. Indeed.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at January 07, 2025 02:01 PM (g8Ew

I think it’s called “ having fun”…..

Posted by: tubal at January 07, 2025 02:01 PM (PCK5/)

333 Jane D'oh, good to see you.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at January 07, 2025 02:01 PM (6hvzW)

334 I'll bet heads are exploding at Bluesky. 😄😄😄

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 07, 2025 02:02 PM (4tmpE)

335 I just don't get this. I don't know why we'd want Greenland,

It and Canada holds most of the freshwater outside of what is frozen in Antarctica. Water is considered the next resource to fight for as the world population grows and it becomes more and more scarce.

Posted by: TheBriBear at January 07, 2025 02:02 PM (on+Vk)

336 I think we should probably focus on the decolonization of the United States before entertaining dreams of conquest.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at January

Yeah, we probably should start with taking over America.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at January 07, 2025 02:02 PM (ESO0m)

337 Seems like a good place to remind people of the Trump Truism: "Take President Trump seriously, not literally."

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 07, 2025 02:02 PM (tT6L1)

338
*There are a lot of fjords there, too. You don't even have to pine for them.*

But they need more F150s.

Posted by: Ford Motor Company at January 07, 2025 02:02 PM (dg+HA)

339 There is a pretty good old movie "The Bedford Incident"
cerca 1965.
A Soviet Sub is busted by The American Destroyer Bedford in Greenland's waters.
It illustrates how Greenland's territory integrity is policed by America. Paid for by America. The Danes thank you very much.
The movie ends in Nukes being fired but that's just Hollywood shatting on the military again.

Posted by: Brad at January 07, 2025 02:02 PM (oOc/o)

340 TBH, I'd kind of give them that one. It's a small token of revenge for Japan's refusal to really apologize for their bestiality in WWII.
Posted by: Archimedes

-----------
This is Democrat thinking.
Japan was in an existential fight for survival and they fought just as ruthlessly as the Chinese they were up against.

I do not want to defend Japan. I only want to disabuse people from thinking you can have a nice war. We are in a war with China (not "adversaries", enemies.) and we had better figure that out quick.

We in the West spent last century thinking we could make some kind of utopia on Earth with "just" wars, or Marquess of Queensberry rules. That world does not exist and we will learn that quick when things go hot with CHina.

Posted by: Gentlemen, time for a reckoning at January 07, 2025 02:02 PM (Wz1Ib)

341 TheJamesMadison,

That was an excellent book you wrote on The Battle of Lake Eire. Well done.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 07, 2025 02:03 PM (u82oZ)

342 The British just attacked Washington because they wanted to get a hold of Dolly Madison's snack-cake recipes.

Posted by: Bulg at January 07, 2025 02:03 PM (77rzZ)

343 *waves to Braenyard*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 07, 2025 02:03 PM (4tmpE)

344 Overturning Chevron cut a few branches off the over-grown regulatory state.

Overturning Slaughterhouse will cut the whole fucking tree down.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at January 07, 2025 02:03 PM (R3Yln)

345 301 Let’s make colonizing great again! Horned helmets for all. We should work on our war cries.
Posted by: Piper at January 07, 2025 01:56 PM (pZEOD)

Crusades, FTW.

Posted by: Roy at January 07, 2025 02:03 PM (z+ik4)

346 Don't you have to go light some candles in your Trump altar?
Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 02:01 PM (xCA6C)

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hahhahhahahaha I wasn't talking about you. And yes, I do have to light some Trump candles.

Posted by: Seems Legit at January 07, 2025 02:03 PM (gaKF9)

347

Peter Yarrow, the singer-songwriter, activist and founding member of the folk group Peter, Paul and Mary, died Tuesday, his representative confirms. He was 86.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 07, 2025 02:04 PM (63Dwl)

348 341 TheJamesMadison,

That was an excellent book you wrote on The Battle of Lake Eire. Well done.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 07, 2025 02:03 PM (u82oZ)

=======

Thank you!

See? People should buy it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 07, 2025 02:04 PM (GBKbO)

349 >>Don’t know what Trump can do in Gaza that the IDF hasn’t done.


He can obstruct international funds to their leaders pretty effectively.

He can also make sure there is no safe harbor for them or their families.

He can also take the leash of Israel and let them do as they need to.

Posted by: garrett at January 07, 2025 02:04 PM (qu/pS)

350 It's hilarious because no one "decides" what to call a body of water like that. It just is. America wants to call it the Gulf of America? Even officially? Cool. Do that. No one else has to. We don't have any authority in some magical "This is what everything's called" society. And the UN can piss off. They could make whatever standards everyone has to follow all they like. We just won't follow it. Fuck them. Who cares. We foot the entire bill for their gross little frat house for creepy old people. Just stop cutting them checks if they squawk too loud and let them buy their own eight balls and trafficked children with their own money. Fuck 'em.

You know when everyone decided it was "Mumbai" now, except it wasn't because that's fucking stupid? Yeah. That. So whatever. Call things whatever you want. If it sticks, it sticks.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 07, 2025 02:04 PM (+iIV1)

351 Massachusetts was very unhappy.

But, the Mosquito Fleet did nothing to help win the Battle of Lake Erie. That was just good old fashioned naval ships with big guns.

I wrote a book about it! Everyone should buy it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
======
I guess I was the straight man to that outcome.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 02:04 PM (ctrM5)

352 335 I just don't get this. I don't know why we'd want Greenland,

It and Canada holds most of the freshwater outside of what is frozen in Antarctica. Water is considered the next resource to fight for as the world population grows and it becomes more and more scarce.
Posted by: TheBriBear at January 07, 2025 02:02 PM (on+Vk)

Farmland in case of future Globull Warmering?

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2025 02:04 PM (QAkQ3)

353
Robert Hur's investigation of Biden's corruption uncovered damning evidence, he just made a judgement call not to take it to court.

Time for a new judgement call.

Posted by: Auspex at January 07, 2025 02:04 PM (j4U/Z)

354 I think Trump is in both a distraction phase and a "maybe be nicer to us or else" phase...

Thing is, all of these places won't know which part they fall into, so the aforementioned reverse TR policy (forget speak softly...Trump is all about speak loudly...but he also carries that big stick) should work to moderate most of these weak countries "screw the US" current policies...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 07, 2025 02:04 PM (exHjb)

355 Even then, leaks were a problem. What came to be The L&C expedition was couched as a “literary” (scientific) exploration. Initially Congress allocated 2500 dollars. Final cost was about 38k dollars.
Posted by: Common Tater at January 07, 2025 01:55 PM (2UFTi)

I have the journal of Zebulon Pike, who had the same mission around the same time, only farther south. Don't know what that ran to in $$$. As I recall, his party went too far and got picked up by the Spanish.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at January 07, 2025 02:04 PM (LxER7)

356 The movie ends in Nukes being fired but that's just Hollywood shatting on the military again.
Posted by: Brad


If he fires one, I'll fire one.


FIRE ONE!

Posted by: Archer at January 07, 2025 02:05 PM (IDphi)

357 Masterful. Imagine anybody else riffing for that long on so many topics with such cogency and confidence.

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 07, 2025 02:05 PM (ZlOcj)

358 Melania would look hot even in a parka.
Posted by: Bulg

Speaking of Melania, I see she made a 40 mil deal with Amazon Prime to do her autobiography.

Posted by: Tuna at January 07, 2025 02:05 PM (oaGWv)

359 TBH, I'd kind of give them that one. It's a small token of revenge for Japan's refusal to really apologize for their bestiality in WWII.
Posted by: Archimedes

-----------
This is Democrat thinking.
Japan was in an existential fight for survival and they fought just as ruthlessly as the Chinese they were up against.

I do not want to defend Japan.


It kind of sounds like you do. What was the strategic necessity for the Rape of Nanjing? For that matter, why was Japan in China at all, except for naked aggression?

Sometimes it really is easy to spot the bad guys.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 02:05 PM (xCA6C)

360 Battle of Lake Erie

Winner keeps the walleye?

Posted by: DaveA at January 07, 2025 02:05 PM (FhXTo)

361 As Presilent of the States of the Constitution, I declare it is our Mammary-fest Destiny to control Greenland!!

Posted by: Presilent Charlie Foxtrot at January 07, 2025 02:05 PM (krQz2)

362 That was an excellent book you wrote on The Battle of Lake Eire. Well done.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
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Was not aware of a battle on a lake in Ireland.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 02:05 PM (ctrM5)

363 There is a pretty good old movie "The Bedford Incident"
cerca 1965.
A Soviet Sub is busted by The American Destroyer Bedford in Greenland's waters.
It illustrates how Greenland's territory integrity is policed by America. Paid for by America. The Danes thank you very much.
The movie ends in Nukes being fired but that's just Hollywood shatting on the military again.
Posted by: Brad


We were actually fighting the Krauts in Greenland before Pearl Harbor. They kept trying to set up "weather stations" there and we repeatedly had to kick them out. That was why the Danish ambassador in DC gave us a protectorate over the place.

Posted by: Bulg at January 07, 2025 02:05 PM (77rzZ)

364 Denmark can't defend the Faroe Islands and Greenland. The Brits are unwilling to invest in a blue water navy, two 1/3 capable Nimitz-class carriers notwithstanding. The rest of NATO's maritime defense forces?

And that's not including Canada's remarkably extensive coastline and its joke of a navy. It has small, old ships, UK cast-off subs, and the Canucks lease their C-17s from us anyway.

What DJT is doing is spitting out the cold, hard truth to our putative allies: You don't have chips on the table, you're begging for us to start WWIII in Ukraine and contributing nothing in return. You want to act that way? We'll show you what the stakes are.

Posted by: mrp at January 07, 2025 02:05 PM (rj6Yv)

365 TJM wrote a book? I thought he was illiterate?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 07, 2025 02:06 PM (tT6L1)

366
*and founding member of the folk group Peter, Paul and Mary, died Tuesday*

Another grim milestone of the Biden - Emhoff administration.

Posted by: Somber announcer voice at January 07, 2025 02:06 PM (dg+HA)

367 Peter Yarrow, the singer-songwriter, activist and founding member of the folk group Peter, Paul and Mary, died Tuesday, his representative confirms. He was 86.

Nil nisi bonum, so I won't mention he was a Commie asshat. And a chomo to boot.

Posted by: Jetto at January 07, 2025 02:06 PM (uisKS)

368 "Water is considered the next resource to fight for as the world population grows..."

Is it growing? I thought fertility rates were at negative growth.

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 07, 2025 02:06 PM (ZlOcj)

369 Greenland current population is 56,600.
Posted by: ChristiCat


That's one very small city.

So no need to make it the 51st state. Just declare it part of Alaska. Or maybe Maine.

Posted by: mikeski at January 07, 2025 02:06 PM (Py/2A)

370 339 There is a pretty good old movie "The Bedford Incident"
cerca 1965.
A Soviet Sub is busted by The American Destroyer Bedford in Greenland's waters.
It illustrates how Greenland's territory integrity is policed by America. Paid for by America. The Danes thank you very much.
The movie ends in Nukes being fired but that's just Hollywood shatting on the military again.

Posted by: Brad at January 07, 2025 02:02 PM (oOc/o)


I highly recommend watching this movie. It is terrific.

Posted by: Gref at January 07, 2025 02:06 PM (aBgBM)

371 >>>
I'm actually good with taking the Panama Canal back. Should have never gave it away.
Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at January 07, 2025 01:59 PM (sAmhv)

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I've wondered which canal he is referring to. The original, or the New Panamax? Or both?

Posted by: Turn 2 at January 07, 2025 02:06 PM (JfxgE)

372 Even then, leaks were a problem.
---
So it's not just me, then?

Posted by: Presilent Charlie Foxtrot at January 07, 2025 02:06 PM (krQz2)

373 There is a pretty good old movie "The Bedford Incident"
cerca 1965.
A Soviet Sub is busted by The American Destroyer Bedford in Greenland's waters.
It illustrates how Greenland's territory integrity is policed by America. Paid for by America. The Danes thank you very much.
The movie ends in Nukes being fired but that's just Hollywood shatting on the military again.
Posted by: Brad at January 07, 2025


***
One-third of the "doomsday trilogy" of movies in 1964: The Bedford Incident, Dr. Strangelove, and Fail-Safe.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 07, 2025 02:06 PM (J2vNu)

374 350

You know when everyone decided it was "Mumbai" now, except it wasn't because that's fucking stupid? Yeah. That. So whatever. Call things whatever you want. If it sticks, it sticks.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 07, 2025 02:04 PM (+iIV1)

Yep good point. I like it, has a ring to it… he just mentioned it to titillate us, the base, like the Greenland stuff… we like it, we always have. More, please..

Posted by: tubal at January 07, 2025 02:07 PM (PCK5/)

375 We in the West spent last century thinking we could make some kind of utopia on Earth with "just" wars, or Marquess of Queensberry rules. That world does not exist and we will learn that quick when things go hot with CHina.
Posted by: Gentlemen, time for a reckoning at January 07, 2025 02:02 PM (Wz1Ib)

This is true. Most of the world doesn't abide by rules when it comes to war.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at January 07, 2025 02:07 PM (g8Ew8)

376 It and Canada holds most of the freshwater outside of what is frozen in Antarctica. Water is considered the next resource to fight for as the world population grows and it becomes more and more scarce.
Posted by: TheBriBear at January 07, 2025 02:02 PM

Some southern states want us to tap our lakes and ship water via a pipeline. Sorry, nope.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 07, 2025 02:07 PM (ewjUl)

377 Posted by: ... at January 07, 2025 01:39 PM (QB9Mc)

No; You're not an idiot and only Trump can be Trump.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 07, 2025 02:07 PM (ZP485)

378 So no need to make it the 51st state. Just declare it part of Alaska. Or maybe Maine.
Posted by: mikeski at January 07, 2025 02:06 PM (Py/2A)
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Rhode Island. Which I understand exists, but, at least it would be visible on a map with the addition of Greenland.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 07, 2025 02:07 PM (tT6L1)

379 Seriously, Gulf of America is more inclusive and we should note that. Loudly. Without giggling.

Posted by: Piper at January 07, 2025 02:07 PM (pZEOD)

380 >>> We come from a land of Trump and MAGA where hot springs boil and the cold wind blows. We are your overlords.
Posted by: Archer at January 07, 2025 02:00 PM (IDphi)

The hammer of the God...Emperors.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cwrswvqv8sY
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bg5eF4Ld-Fw

Posted by: LizLem at January 07, 2025 02:07 PM (gWBY1)

381 Is it growing? I thought fertility rates were at negative growth.
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 07, 2025 02:06 PM (ZlOcj)


Global population continues to grow but the rate of increase is slowing. I think 2050ish the year of peak population if current trends continue.

Posted by: blaster at January 07, 2025 02:08 PM (QfvaV)

382 300
‘ I think we should probably focus on the decolonization of the United States’

Amen to that. Survival should be our priority.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 07, 2025 02:08 PM (jbnUc)

383 This is Democrat thinking.
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Who you callin' gay?!

Posted by: Presilent Charlie Foxtrot at January 07, 2025 02:08 PM (krQz2)

384 TJM wrote a book? I thought he was illiterate?
Posted by: blake

He dictated it to Dolly.

Posted by: Bulg at January 07, 2025 02:08 PM (77rzZ)

385 ***
One-third of the "doomsday trilogy" of movies in 1964: The Bedford Incident, Dr. Strangelove, and Fail-Safe.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 07, 2025


***
And all three, unusually for the mid-Sixties, were in black-and-white.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 07, 2025 02:08 PM (J2vNu)

386 Half of their economy is welfare from Denmark.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at January 07, 2025 01:43 PM (wBaIH)


Some of that is due to Denmark's European unwillingness to exploit the riches of the Earth.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 07, 2025 02:08 PM (ExV1e)

387 351 I guess I was the straight man to that outcome.
Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 02:04 PM (ctrM5)

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I saw the opportunity and took it! Wasn't planning on, but you did mention the Great Lakes!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 07, 2025 02:08 PM (GBKbO)

388 Gulf of America? Why not? Ask DoD what they call the “Persian” Gulf. It wasn’t called that when I was in the sandbox.

Posted by: RobertM at January 07, 2025 02:08 PM (btIS/)

389 I highly recommend watching this [The Bedford Incident] movie. It is terrific.
Posted by: Gref at January 07, 2025 02:06 PM (aBgBM)

I agree. Richard Widmark at his cold-hearted best.

Posted by: Ordinary American at January 07, 2025 02:08 PM (ZlOcj)

390 Seriously, Gulf of America is more inclusive and we should note that. Loudly. Without giggling.
Posted by: Piper at January 07, 2025 02:07 PM (pZEOD)

Agree.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at January 07, 2025 02:08 PM (g8Ew8)

391 The Brits are unwilling to invest in a blue water navy, two 1/3 capable Nimitz-class carriers notwithstanding. The rest of NATO's maritime defense forces? [i/]

At the rate they're going, they'll soon have only those two QE-class carriers and absolutely nothing else. I saw a really good, if depressing, interview with Konstantin Kosin. I recommend watching it. It's kind of depressing, but still hopeful about Trump.

“Everyone Who Can Exit The UK Is Leaving” - Konstantin Kisin

https://is.gd/Gx8UQY

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 02:09 PM (xCA6C)

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 02:09 PM (xCA6C)

393 Seriously, Gulf of America is more inclusive and we should note that. Loudly. Without giggling.

Posted by: Piper at January 07, 2025 02:07 PM (pZEOD)
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What about tittering?

Are we allowed a titter 'r two?

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 02:09 PM (krQz2)

394 This is Democrat thinking.
Japan was in an existential fight for survival and they fought just as ruthlessly as the Chinese they were up against.
Posted by: Gentlemen, time for a reckoning at January 07, 2025 02:02 PM (Wz1Ib)
_____________________________________

Japan's woes at the time can be largely attributed to the same type of problem the US is flirting with at the present. The Elites and the Military Industrial Complex essentially took control of Japan and "convinced" the Emperor to allow free reign. Thus was born "Hakkō ichiu" or "eight crown cords, one roof". That's another way of saying "Globalization."

Posted by: Orson at January 07, 2025 02:09 PM (dIske)

395 Greenland was the home of one of our airbases (Thule). I'm sure many GI's have been stationed there with their B-52's during the cold war.
They just finished enlarging the airport at Nuuk, the capitol so it can handle the biggest jets.

Posted by: Colin at January 07, 2025 02:09 PM (wlQdF)

396
*Pounding closed fist into open palm*

"Let Trump be Trump!!!"

Posted by: Opus from Bloom County at January 07, 2025 02:10 PM (dg+HA)

397 56,000 people. How is it not tipping over?

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 07, 2025 02:10 PM (ewjUl)

398 We were actually fighting the Krauts in Greenland before Pearl Harbor. They kept trying to set up "weather stations" there and we repeatedly had to kick them out. That was why the Danish ambassador in DC gave us a protectorate over the place.
Posted by: Bulg at January

Well there goes Bulg bringing a legit reason for this to counter balance my horned hats and war cries.

Posted by: Piper at January 07, 2025 02:10 PM (pZEOD)

399 Rhode Island. Which I understand exists, but, at least it would be visible on a map with the addition of Greenland.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 07, 2025 02:07 PM (tT6L1)

Call it Rhode Island Island!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 07, 2025 02:10 PM (+iIV1)

400 Thank you!

See? People should buy it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison


Any steamy sex scenes?

Posted by: Bulg at January 07, 2025 02:10 PM (77rzZ)

401 We were actually fighting the Krauts in Greenland before Pearl Harbor. They kept trying to set up "weather stations" there and we repeatedly had to kick them out. That was why the Danish ambassador in DC gave us a protectorate over the place.
Posted by: Bulg at January 07, 2025 02:05 PM (77rzZ)

The Nazis actually established a weather station on Canadian soil. The abandoned site was only found long after the war.

Posted by: mrp at January 07, 2025 02:10 PM (rj6Yv)

402 "Water is considered the next resource to fight for as the world population grows..."

Is it growing? I thought fertility rates were at negative growth.
Posted by: Ordinary American


Still growing. The Western world isn't. It's almost all due to Africa, and a bit from Muslim nations in Asia. And maybe India.

Posted by: mikeski at January 07, 2025 02:10 PM (Py/2A)

403 Can we chortle?

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 02:10 PM (krQz2)

404 Two titters are better than one… they usually come in sets.. matched, hopefully.

Posted by: tubal at January 07, 2025 02:10 PM (PCK5/)

405 365 TJM wrote a book? I thought he was illiterate?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 07, 2025 02:06 PM (tT6L1)


You spelled asshole wrong.

Posted by: blaster at January 07, 2025 02:10 PM (QfvaV)

406 Seriously, Gulf of America is more inclusive and we should note that. Loudly. Without giggling.
Posted by: Piper at January 07, 2025 02:07 PM (pZEOD)
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Are guffaws okay? Because I don't know if I could limit myself to just a giggle.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 07, 2025 02:11 PM (tT6L1)

407 Wait…do Fjord horses live there?

Posted by: Piper at January 07, 2025 02:11 PM (pZEOD)

408 400 Thank you!

See? People should buy it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison


Any steamy sex scenes?
Posted by: Bulg at January 07, 2025 02:10 PM (77rzZ)

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Well, it's on a naval ship...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 07, 2025 02:11 PM (GBKbO)

409 405 365 TJM wrote a book? I thought he was illiterate?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 07, 2025 02:06 PM (tT6L1)

You spelled asshole wrong.
Posted by: blaster at January 07, 2025 02:10 PM (QfvaV)


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These are not mutually exclusive.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 07, 2025 02:11 PM (GBKbO)

410 We'll create 15-minute cities on Greenland and sentence Claus Schwab to live in one.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 02:11 PM (krQz2)

411 >>> You know when everyone decided it was "Mumbai" now, except it wasn't because that's fucking stupid? Yeah. That. So whatever. Call things whatever you want. If it sticks, it sticks.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 07, 2025 02:04 PM (+iIV1)

That's no one's business but the Turks...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0XlO39kCQ-8

Posted by: LizLem at January 07, 2025 02:11 PM (gWBY1)

412 Archimedes

The two CVL in the RN are going to be mothballed soon.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 07, 2025 02:11 PM (u82oZ)

413 Japan was in an existential fight for survival and they fought just as ruthlessly as the Chinese they were up against.

I do not want to defend Japan...
Posted by: Gentlemen, time for a reckoning at January 07, 2025 02:02 PM (Wz1Ib)

Your assertion is nonsensical. Ruthless and barbaric Japanese aggression against less powerful countries such as China, Korea, Burma, et al over a period measured in decades is too well-documented to be a fantastically labeled 'existential fight for survival' by the Japanese. That's just nuts.

Posted by: troyriser at January 07, 2025 02:11 PM (DPeYO)

414 Well, it's on a naval ship...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 07, 2025 02:11 PM (GBKbO)

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So lots of gay sex?

Posted by: Seems Legit at January 07, 2025 02:11 PM (gaKF9)

415 I think we should probably focus on the decolonization of the United States’

Amen to that. Survival should be our priority.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 07, 2025 02:08 PM (jbnUc)

I'm pretty sure we can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at January 07, 2025 02:11 PM (g8Ew8)

416 Wait…do Fjord horses live there?
Posted by: Piper at January 07, 2025 02:11 PM

No, but their farmers all drive Fjord F150's.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 07, 2025 02:12 PM (ewjUl)

417 It kind of sounds like you do. What was the strategic necessity for the Rape of Nanjing? For that matter, why was Japan in China at all, except for naked aggression?

Posted by: Archimedes

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I don't want to get into this argument because (a) there is too much backstory to cover in comments, and (b) It gets into a "whatabout" session comparing various war crimes.

My point was NOT to defend Japan. My point was that war is never nice and if you think you can win without playing dirty you will lose. The other side (china) is not going to follow our rules.

You can argue about how evil Japan was all you want. That is a distraction from how evil China is going to be. It also plays into Chinese plans to present their actions as somehow justified.

Posted by: Gentlemen, time for a reckoning at January 07, 2025 02:12 PM (Wz1Ib)

418 Is it growing? I thought fertility rates were at negative growth.

the bottom half of the bell curve continues to grow

Posted by: brak at January 07, 2025 02:12 PM (jGJov)

419 the freshwater outside of what is frozen in Antarctica. Water is considered the next resource to fight for as the world

is 70% covered with it.
some plastic tarp and sunshine makes instant fresh water.

Posted by: DaveA at January 07, 2025 02:12 PM (FhXTo)

420 Seriously, Gulf of America is more inclusive and we should note that. Loudly. Without giggling.
Posted by: Piper


Gulf of the Americas and ice Mexico straight out.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2025 02:12 PM (NOkyf)

421 *Pounding closed fist into open palm*

"Let Trump be Trump!!!"
Posted by: Opus from Bloom County at January 07, 2025 02:10 PM (dg+HA)
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Bonk! Bonk!

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 02:12 PM (krQz2)

422 Trumpland has a nice ring to it.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 07, 2025 02:13 PM (aD39U)

423 The two CVL in the RN are going to be mothballed soon.

Wow, I hadn't heard that.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 02:13 PM (xCA6C)

424 What do you all think is the best motivation for illegals to leave the country on their own?

Stop benefits?
No employment?

Posted by: Seems Legit at January 07, 2025 02:13 PM (gaKF9)

425 darn right, W-o!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 07, 2025 02:13 PM (cY18j)

426 Grump928(C)

Festung Trump

Barron Trump, CEO.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 07, 2025 02:14 PM (u82oZ)

427 >>> So lots of gay sex?
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 07, 2025 02:11 PM (gaKF9)

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Is the saying "if underway, it's not gay"?

Posted by: Turn 2 at January 07, 2025 02:14 PM (JfxgE)

428 340
‘ Japan was in an existential fight for survival and they fought just as ruthlessly as the Chinese they were up against.’

There was nothing militarily necessary about the rape of Nanking.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 07, 2025 02:14 PM (jbnUc)

429 What do you all think is the best motivation for illegals to leave the country on their own

Trees. Ropes. Some assembly required.

Posted by: Jetto at January 07, 2025 02:14 PM (uisKS)

430 Don't you have to go light some candles in your Trump altar?
Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 02:01 PM (xCA6C)


Not until he makes CAFE go away.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 07, 2025 02:14 PM (D7oie)

431 Your assertion is nonsensical. Ruthless and barbaric Japanese aggression against less powerful countries such as China, Korea, Burma, et al over a period measured in decades is too well-documented to be a fantastically labeled 'existential fight for survival' by the Japanese. That's just nuts.
Posted by: troyriser at January 07, 2025 02:11 PM (DPeYO)

Yup. The Japs were brutal sub-animals.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at January 07, 2025 02:14 PM (g8Ew8)

432
Gulf of America? Why not? Ask DoD what they call the “Persian” Gulf. It wasn’t called that when I was in the sandbox.
Posted by: RobertM at January 07, 2025 02:08 PM (btIS/)


Given that it's surrounded by mohammedans, I recommend "Gulf of Toilet". It'll be the only toilet within 1000 miles, outside of Israel.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 07, 2025 02:14 PM (y9nCu)

433
It'll always be Burma to me!

https://youtu.be/vAlinvw2Rb0

Posted by: J. Peterman at January 07, 2025 02:15 PM (dg+HA)

434 t's very inside baseball but it will be the biggest decision of the last 100 years:
Thomas has been itching for decades for a case to over-turn the Slaughterhouse decision.

That shitty decision made any economic regulation by government legal.
And eliminated your right to earn a living, which he sees as a "privilege" protected under the 14th.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice
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Slaughterhouse was an egregious decision but unfortunately applied by later courts to eviscerate the privileges and immunities clause of both the 14th applied to states and the US Constitution itself applying to the federal government.

Those words mean something, which Scotus has mumbling applied to something like travel but not to fundamental rights. The Court itself bent itself into a pretzel over the 14th by denying the plain meaning of the section in a number of segregation era decisions. Then it tacked on some of the protections via the idiotic incorporation doctrine of due process. But only the ones that the court favored, not the disfavored privileges and immunities.

The original language was intended to codify existing common law protections that had been applied in the colonies and early US

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 02:15 PM (ctrM5)

435 OK, youse guys.

In my day, hatches fell on gay sailors.

Most of us waited until port to chase Brit bints.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 07, 2025 02:15 PM (u82oZ)

436 Gentlemen, I despise each and every one of you.

Posted by: Greenland at January 07, 2025 02:15 PM (iXQIy)

437 My point was NOT to defend Japan. My point was that war is never nice and if you think you can win without playing dirty you will lose. The other side (china) is not going to follow our rules.

You can argue about how evil Japan was all you want. That is a distraction from how evil China is going to be. It also plays into Chinese plans to present their actions as somehow justified.


I'm not defending modern China, I'm simply saying Japan has a lot for which they have not taken responsibility, and renaming the Sea of Japan is just a relatively cost-free way of reminding them of that. Japan is currently one of our closest allies, and so I would consider nothing more serious than that.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 02:15 PM (xCA6C)

438 So lots of gay sex?
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 07, 2025 02:11 PM (gaKF9)


No it is not!

Posted by: sailor under way at January 07, 2025 02:15 PM (QfvaV)

439 And China is asshoe.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 02:15 PM (xCA6C)

440 So lots of gay sex?
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 07, 2025 02:11 PM (gaKF9)

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Only in port.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 02:15 PM (krQz2)

441 Well, it's on a naval ship...
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 07, 2025 02:11 PM (GBKbO)

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So lots of gay sex?
Posted by: Seems Legit



It's only gay when under way.
It's not queer when at the pier.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2025 02:15 PM (NOkyf)

442 >>> Gulf of the Americas and ice Mexico straight out. Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2025 02:12 PM (NOkyf)

Oooh, we could rename Greenland "Ice Guam."

Posted by: LizLem at January 07, 2025 02:15 PM (gWBY1)

443 There was nothing militarily necessary about the rape of Nanking.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 07, 2025 02:14 PM (jbnUc)


It was absolutely essential for testing out new equipment, tactics and organization in a real world environment.
Oh, wait, that is Ukraine. Never mind.

Posted by: Kindltot at January 07, 2025 02:15 PM (D7oie)

444 424 What do you all think is the best motivation for illegals to leave the country on their own?

Stop benefits?
No employment?
Posted by: Seems Legit
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Massive taxes on remittances.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 02:16 PM (ctrM5)

445 Wants states to finish election counting by 10PM on election night

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While he's at it, he should propose an amendment to move the certification and inauguration to early December at the latest. Biden is doing incredible damage in his lame-duck session.

Posted by: Midnight Rambler at January 07, 2025 02:16 PM (9ByK+)

446 So lots of gay sex?
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 07, 2025 02:11 PM (gaKF9)

No it is not!
Posted by: sailor under way at January 07, 2025 02:15 PM (QfvaV)
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Damn right!

Posted by: Jake Way at January 07, 2025 02:16 PM (krQz2)

447 To block China, as others have said. They have one of the largest patches unexplored mineral and petroleum deposits outside of the Antarctic.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 07, 2025 01:54 PM (IG4Id)


Doesn't matter how many times you say it. The people who're gonna say "Trump's out of control" are gonna say that no matter what.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 07, 2025 02:16 PM (ExV1e)

448 Don't you have to go light some candles in your Trump altar?
Posted by: Archimedes


Candles? No. Tires? Yes.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2025 02:16 PM (NOkyf)

449 424 What do you all think is the best motivation for illegals to leave the country on their own?

Stop benefits?
No employment?
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 07, 2025 02:13 PM (gaKF9)

Flights to our new territory Greenland...LOTS of space, lots of ability to make a new life...

I'm not even kidding...

Posted by: Nova Local at January 07, 2025 02:17 PM (exHjb)

450
Oooh, we could rename Greenland "Ice Guam."

Posted by: LizLem at January 07, 2025 02:15 PM


perfect!

Posted by: AltonJackson at January 07, 2025 02:17 PM (w9Ycv)

451 Oooh, we could rename Greenland "Ice Guam."

Well, fuck, is it going to capsize too?

Posted by: The Hon. H. Johnson at January 07, 2025 02:17 PM (uisKS)

452 447 Doesn't matter how many times you say it. The people who're gonna say "Trump's out of control" are gonna say that no matter what.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic at January 07, 2025 02:16 PM (ExV1e)

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HE ORDERED TWO SCOOPS OF ICE CREAM!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, building tension with Henri-Georges Clouzot at January 07, 2025 02:17 PM (GBKbO)

453 “From this day on, the official language of San Marcos will be Swedish.”

All citizens will be required to change their underwear every half hour. Underwear will be worn on the outside, so we can check.

Furthermore, all children under 16 years old are now 16 years old."

Posted by: Atlas at January 07, 2025 02:17 PM (GtG9n)

454 395 Greenland was the home of one of our airbases (Thule). I'm sure many GI's have been stationed there with their B-52's during the cold war.
They just finished enlarging the airport at Nuuk, the capitol so it can handle the biggest jets.

Posted by: Colin at January 07, 2025 02:09 PM (wlQdF)

The name Thule has gone the way of the name Bombay. Thule Air Base was renamed in June, 2023, to Pituffik (not kidding, sic) Space Base. It was transferred to Space Command from USAF Space Command.

Posted by: Gref at January 07, 2025 02:17 PM (aBgBM)

455 What do you all think is the best motivation for illegals to leave the country on their own?

Stop benefits?
No employment?
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 07, 2025


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Yes.

Also no warehousing of their scads of kids all day long, aka "public schooling," and no free medical treatment at ERs.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 07, 2025 02:17 PM (J2vNu)

456 What do you all think is the best motivation for illegals to leave the country on their own?

Stop benefits?
No employment?
Posted by: Seems Legit
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Massive taxes on remittances.
Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 02:16 PM (ctrM5)


Hunting them through the streets with dogs.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 07, 2025 02:17 PM (aD39U)

457 *Not until he makes CAFE go away.*

Be still my heart.

Posted by: Guy who just wants a small pick up truck with a decent engine at January 07, 2025 02:17 PM (dg+HA)

458 Mexico keep dolling out deep water drilling rights to the Chinese in the Gulf of Mexico. Currently, I'm indifferent, although concerned about their acquiring oil so close to our shores. Were it to be called the Gulf of America, that indifference dilutes slightly.

But, it doesn't change the fact that Mexico enjoys territorial rights off their shore and can co-sign to China if they desire (just like they are allowing China to set up massive manufacturing on the Mexican mainland).

Posted by: Orson at January 07, 2025 02:17 PM (dIske)

459 Sock wash

Posted by: blaster at January 07, 2025 02:18 PM (QfvaV)

460 12 Can we trade Cali for Quebec?
***********
Happily trade Cali, in fact, I'd give it away. With both hands. But pass on Quebec...

Posted by: Grateful - the range bag lady at January 07, 2025 02:18 PM (IQ6Gq)

461 What do you all think is the best motivation for illegals to leave the country on their own?

Stop benefits?
No employment?
Posted by: Seems Legit


Bounties.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2025 02:18 PM (NOkyf)

462 "I don't know why we'd want Greenland..."

Ace is being obtuse here. He seems to have forgotten that Xi tried to take over Greenland in 2019 by paying its territorial governor ~$50k to allow China to set up mines and military bases there.
Right now there is no agreement between DK and “Greenland” as to who owns the place. The “Greenland belongs to Greenlanders” nonsense is particularly arch, since the majority Inuit are interlopers (Greenland was uninhabited when E.T. Red discovered it).
This situation makes Greenland look to the world like Terra Nullis. From a US perspective, Greenland in its current state is an attractive nuisance at best, and a strategic nightmare at worst (think Cuba with Chinese missiles). A US takeover would solve a lot of problems.

Posted by: Dawn Kee Peanus at January 07, 2025 02:18 PM (bPiht)

463
Stop benefits?
No employment?
Posted by: Seems Legit at

Camps in Greenland.

Posted by: Piper at January 07, 2025 02:18 PM (p4NUW)

464 Oooh, we could rename Greenland "Ice Guam."


That made me laugh.

Posted by: Archimedes at January 07, 2025 02:18 PM (xCA6C)

465 What do you all think is the best motivation for illegals to leave the country on their own?

Stop benefits?
No employment?
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 07, 2025


***
No issuing them driver's licenses, and if they are found driving without a DL, instant deportation with their family. Which should happen anyway.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 07, 2025 02:19 PM (J2vNu)

466 Greenland goes up to the Arctic Circle, just like Russia does, and because of that, Russia is claiming the entire Circle Russia's. Unlikely little ol' Denmark would be able to stop Putin's expansion plans. I think maybe that's why Trump wants it. Also Greenland no doubt has undiscovered goodies under its ice. Remember also, before the last Ice Age, Greenland was called Vinland because the Vikings actually grew grapes there and made wine. Not the frozen wasteland it would seem.

Posted by: Here in Italy at January 07, 2025 02:19 PM (nnFNT)

467 What do the people of Greenland want?

Trump Jr. is there and a bunch of the citizens met him in MAGA hats.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 07, 2025 02:19 PM (2ocoG)

468 we could rename Greenland "Ice Guam."

Puerto Hielo.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 07, 2025 02:19 PM (aD39U)

469 But pass on Quebec...
Posted by: Grateful


Yep. Ontario, too.

Posted by: Bulg at January 07, 2025 02:19 PM (77rzZ)

470 Ice Guam.

So let it be written, so
Let it be done

Posted by: blaster at January 07, 2025 02:20 PM (QfvaV)

471 What do you all think is the best motivation for illegals to leave the country on their own?

Stop benefits?
No employment?
Posted by: Seems Legit
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Discontinue their debit cards.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 02:20 PM (krQz2)

472 To continue, Slaughterhouse and Cruikshank were where Scotus purposefully destroyed the meaning of the privileges and immunities clauses so that Klan types could avoid being prosecuted for trying to take blacks rights to firearms for self protection.

That is why Clarence is so eager to get rid of it from an originalist viewpoint as misreading the US Constitution and the 14th as well as for personal reasons as to how these decisions were employed to deny blacks basic constitutional rights post Reconstruction.

Posted by: whig at January 07, 2025 02:20 PM (ctrM5)

473 Peter Yarrow, the singer-songwriter, activist and founding member of the folk group Peter, Paul and Mary, died Tuesday, his representative confirms. He was 86.

He's the pedo that was pardoned, right?

Posted by: Ian S. at January 07, 2025 02:20 PM (2ocoG)

474 Ice Guam.

So let it be written, so
Let it be done
Posted by: blaster at January 07, 2025 02:20 PM (QfvaV)
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Better than Bubble Guam.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 02:20 PM (krQz2)

475 389 I highly recommend watching this [The Bedford Incident] movie. It is terrific.
Posted by: Gref at January 07, 2025 02:06 PM (aBgBM)

I agree. Richard Widmark at his cold-hearted best.
Posted by: Ordinary American at January 07, 2025 02:08 PM (ZlOcj)


Yep. Caught it one day on TV when I was a wee teen - scared the bejeezus out of me with its possibility...

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Plucky Comic Relief, AoS Ladies Brigade - Eat the Cheesecake, Buy the Yarn. at January 07, 2025 02:20 PM (SRRAx)

476 What do you all think is the best motivation for illegals to leave the country on their own?

Stop benefits?
No employment?
Posted by: Seems Legit


Remove the write off for employee wages for employees who have a bad match between SSN, DOB and name, and a temporary hold on any employee who has income in multiple cities and multiple states/

"To prevent ongoing ID theft, fraud and abuse"

Posted by: Kindltot at January 07, 2025 02:20 PM (D7oie)

477 I don't want Saskatchewan either. Unless they change their name to something better.

Posted by: Jetto at January 07, 2025 02:21 PM (uisKS)

478 Greenland was called Vinland because the Vikings actually grew grapes there and made wine. Not the frozen wasteland it would seem.
Posted by: Here in Italy

Um, no. "Vinland" was the place to the south that they sailed to and found grapes growing. Massachusetts, maybe/

Posted by: Bulg at January 07, 2025 02:21 PM (77rzZ)

479 The acquisition of Greenland would make America the 2nd largest country by landmass, just behind Russia.

Posted by: ChristiCat at January 07, 2025 02:21 PM (HAQYC)

480 I'm not defending modern China, I'm simply saying Japan has a lot for which they have not taken responsibility,
Posted by: Archimedes

----
You see, this is the problem. Japan has apologized. They expressed great regret and said their actions were wrong. Many times. They did it in Asian terms (subtly) and in Western terms (clearly.)
It is never good enough because China has great interest in playing the victim and making everyone think the Japs killed all those people instead of the CCP.

But more important, Japan accepted it's subordinate role to the USA, accepted the loss of territory to Russia, accepted that it had to follow USA's guidance and rules of trade. It spent money on foreign aid and since the war has been nothing short of contrite.

They have also not presented the other side. This is why it is just accepted that they were evil. They have not countered the Chinese BS about the rape of Nanking, or the Korean BS about comfort women. They have accepted that they lost and should keep quiet and wait for the world to move on.

What more do you want?

Posted by: Gentlemen, time for a reckoning at January 07, 2025 02:21 PM (Wz1Ib)

481 This situation makes Greenland look to the world like Terra Nullis. From a US perspective, Greenland in its current state is an attractive nuisance at best, and a strategic nightmare at worst (think Cuba with Chinese missiles). A US takeover would solve a lot of problems.
Posted by: Dawn Kee Peanus at January 07, 2025 02:18 PM (bPiht)

Yep.

Posted by: mrp at January 07, 2025 02:21 PM (rj6Yv)

482 He's the pedo that was pardoned, right?

Yep. Another of Jimmuh's triumphs.

Posted by: Jetto at January 07, 2025 02:21 PM (uisKS)

483 Remember also, before the last Ice Age, Greenland was called Vinland because the Vikings actually grew grapes there and made wine. Not the frozen wasteland it would seem.

Vinland was modern day Newfoundland. Greenland was named Greenland not because it was particularly green, but because Eric the Red thought that would be better for marketing for settlers than where he came from (Iceland).

Posted by: brak at January 07, 2025 02:22 PM (jGJov)

484 Damn...been busy at work and not able to check in for a few hours. I bet the Left is in full meltdown after this press conference lol

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at January 07, 2025 02:22 PM (JCZqz)

485 This Trump fellow is growing on me.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 07, 2025 02:22 PM (d9fT1)

486 If he fires one, I'll fire one.



FIRE ONE!!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 07, 2025 02:22 PM (aD39U)

487
He's the pedo that was pardoned, right?
Posted by: Ian S. at January 07, 2025 02:20 PM (2ocoG)

________

Correct. Molested a 14-year-old girl. But he was a leftist so it's A-OK.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 07, 2025 02:22 PM (CjuJb)

488 He's the pedo that was pardoned, right?
Posted by: Ian S. at January 07, 2025


***
The vessel with the pestle
Has the brew that is true.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 07, 2025 02:22 PM (J2vNu)

489 Nood.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at January 07, 2025 02:22 PM (tT6L1)

490 I don't want Saskatchewan either. Unless they change their name to something better.
Posted by: Jetto at January 07, 2025 02:21 PM (uisKS)
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Sasquatchawan it is.

Posted by: Axeman at January 07, 2025 02:23 PM (krQz2)

491 Vinland was modern day Newfoundland. Greenland was named Greenland not because it was particularly green, but because Eric the Red thought that would be better for marketing for settlers than where he came from (Iceland).
Posted by: brak at January 07, 2025


***
I'd thought it was because the land *was* fairly green before the Little Ice Age set in.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 07, 2025 02:23 PM (J2vNu)

492 Molested a 14-year-old girl. But he was a leftist so it's A-OK

It wasn't molestation molestation, as Ms. Goldberg might say.

Posted by: Jetto at January 07, 2025 02:23 PM (uisKS)

493 Hello. You guys are so funny. One guy on here actually answered my question about Greenland. The other ones thought I was a troll. Lol

Gen X if we are doing that crazy shit too.

Posted by: Halito at January 07, 2025 02:24 PM (bGjB6)

494 447 To block China, as others have said. They have one of the largest patches unexplored mineral and petroleum deposits outside of the Antarctic.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 07, 2025 01:54 PM (IG4Id)

Doesn't matter how many times you say it. The people who're gonna say "Trump's out of control" are gonna say that no matter what.


he's just following in the footsteps of his puppet master, putin.

Posted by: coming soon to a facebook near you at January 07, 2025 02:24 PM (v3pYe)

495 Noodus McDonald's

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 07, 2025 02:24 PM (J2vNu)

496 Jane D'oh -- Any speculation on the judge that killed himself down there?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 07, 2025 02:25 PM (XeU6L)

497 What do the people of Greenland want?

This is not an effective colonization strategy! We fly under the banner of the Barbary Pirates!

Posted by: Piper at January 07, 2025 02:25 PM (p4NUW)

498 , and renaming the Sea of Japan is just a relatively cost-free way of reminding them of that.
Posted by: Archimedes

-------------------
So the Treaty of San Francisco was not enough?

How does this work, every few decades we have to remind Japan that they were bad and they lost?

Posted by: Gentlemen, time for a reckoning at January 07, 2025 02:25 PM (Wz1Ib)

499 466 Greenland goes up to the Arctic Circle, just like Russia does, and because of that, Russia is claiming the entire Circle Russia's. Unlikely little ol' Denmark would be able to stop Putin's expansion plans. I think maybe that's why Trump wants it. Also Greenland no doubt has undiscovered goodies under its ice. Remember also, before the last Ice Age, Greenland was called Vinland because the Vikings actually grew grapes there and made wine. Not the frozen wasteland it would seem.

Posted by: Here in Italy at January 07, 2025 02:19 PM (nnFNT)



Greenland goes much farther north than the Arctic Circle. Arctic Circle is 66 degrees, 34 minutes North. Greenland extends to about 83 degrees, 40 minutes North. Point Barrow, Alaska, is about 72 degrees North.

Posted by: Gref at January 07, 2025 02:26 PM (aBgBM)

500
The name Thule has gone the way of the name Bombay. Thule Air Base was renamed in June, 2023, to Pituffik (not kidding, sic) Space Base. It was transferred to Space Command from USAF Space Command.
Posted by: Gref at January 07, 2025 02:17 PM

I read that as Pittifuck. The jokes, well, they write themselves.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 07, 2025 02:26 PM (ewjUl)

501 I'd thought it was because the land *was* fairly green before the Little Ice Age set in.

there is some decent farmland on the SE tip where the Norse settled, but IIRC one of the Icelandic sagas states Eric wanted to give it a "pleasant" name to make people want to come join him in settling there (he had been exiled from Iceland)

Posted by: brak at January 07, 2025 02:26 PM (jGJov)

502 >>> What do you all think is the best motivation for illegals to leave the country on their own? Stop benefits? No employment?
Posted by: Seems Legit at January 07, 2025

Oh that reminds me, I haven't done a "your daily Atlantic article" in a while because of the holidays...

Shot:
The Very Real, Very Dangerous Coming Assault on Birthright Citizenship -- BY AMANDA FROST
The Constitution is absolutely clear on this point, but will that matter?

Chaser:
The New Rasputins -- BY ANNE APPLEBAUM
Anti-science mysticism is enabling autocracy around the globe.
(By anti-science mysticism she means Qanon and Pizzagate and Muh Russia)
"...The philosophers of the Enlightenment, whose belief in the possibility of law-based democratic states gave us both the American and French Revolutions, railed against what they called obscurantism: darkness, obfuscation, irrationality. But the prophets of what we might now call the New Obscurantism offer exactly those things: magical solutions, an aura of spirituality, superstition, and the cultivation of fear. Among their number are health quacks and influencers who have developed political ambitions; fans of the quasi-religious QAnon movement..."







Posted by: LizLem at January 07, 2025 02:26 PM (gWBY1)

503 Well there goes Bulg bringing a legit reason for this to counter balance my horned hats and war cries.
Posted by: Piper
======
'Kill the Wabbit' and 'Spear and Magic Helmet' are a horrid example of modern day colonialism affecting indigenous rabbits everywhere.

Posted by: Bugs Bunny at January 07, 2025 02:27 PM (ctrM5)

504 correction -- southwest tip, the SE is an ice wall

Posted by: brak at January 07, 2025 02:27 PM (jGJov)

505 What do the people of Greenland want?
Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at January 07, 2025 01:21 PM (DJ7uY)

Big American breasts!!

Posted by: Those wild and crazy guys at January 07, 2025 02:28 PM (iODuv)

506 Pituffik old Thule airbase has a museum showing what it looked like inside the buildings with the communications/radar and everything else that went along with the cold war.

Posted by: Colin at January 07, 2025 02:28 PM (wlQdF)

507 The Very Real, Very Dangerous Coming Assault on Birthright Citizenship -- BY AMANDA FROST
The Constitution is absolutely clear on this point, but will that matter?
======

Illiterate people who cannot read plain language of the 14th, re: "subject to the jurisdiction" qualifier.

Wong Kim Ark dealt with a child of legal residents at the time not being allowed back into the US after a trip abroad. Not to illegals who are present here not under the jurisdiction of the US nor to sojourners, travelers, foreign diplomats, etc.

The 14th amendment discussions in Congress are right there to be consulted.

Posted by: Bugs Bunny at January 07, 2025 02:30 PM (ctrM5)

508 The Very Real, Very Dangerous Coming Assault on Birthright Citizenship -- BY AMANDA FROST
The Constitution is absolutely clear on this point, but will that matter?



She didn't happen to quote the Article and Section, did she?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 07, 2025 02:31 PM (aD39U)

509 Jane D'oh -- Any speculation on the judge that killed himself down there?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 07, 2025 02:25 PM (XeU6L)

Oddly, I haven't seen much about it. I don't get the once great, now liberal, local rag. And my streaming service doesn't get local television stations. He did attend a very large, contemporary Christian church here, and was an usher.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 07, 2025 02:31 PM (4tmpE)

510 I am excluded.

Posted by: Indian not taxed at January 07, 2025 02:31 PM (aD39U)

511 This Greenland thing has all the earmarks of a strategic positioning and a Steve Martin joke.

Steve Martin joke:

I feel good tonight. I finally got something I always wanted and that's important. It really is.

I finally got some hostages.

Well, you see so many people with hostages nowadays and you say "Hey, I'd like some, too!" So I've got three of 'em, they're really nice people. We get along great, they're tied in a sack outside at the top of the flagpole. And I'm gonna blow 'em up at midnight, too.

Unless, of course, I get my three demands.
A hundred thousand in cash,
getaway car
and I want the letter M stricken from the English language.

See, you have to make one crazy demand, that way, if you get caught, you can plead insanity.

Ha.... Getaway car.

Posted by: SMOD at January 07, 2025 02:49 PM (RHGPo)

512 It was explained to me on Mark Halperin's Morning Show today........that Greenland is very, very, very strategically important to the United States National Security due to its proximity to both Russia and China (as the plane flies)........kind of like Guam or Okinawa is...... and apparently, according to the Danish PM.... it is up to Greenlanders to decide who to "belong" to rather than Denmark...... Sean Spicer said that a deal was actually very close during DJT's first term, alot closer than people realize.......

Posted by: Monica at January 07, 2025 02:52 PM (kfQcw)

513 They have not countered the Chinese BS about the rape of Nanking, or the Korean BS about comfort women. They have accepted that they lost and should keep quiet and wait for the world to move on.

What more do you want?
Posted by: Gentlemen, time for a reckoning at January 07, 2025 02:21 PM (Wz1Ib)

Er, the Rape of Nanking happened. So did the wanton, industrial-scale abuse of 'comfort' women. None of it was BS.

What is your deal, exactly? Are you just being contrarian, or what?

Posted by: troyriser at January 07, 2025 02:52 PM (DPeYO)

514 Jane - Okay. Thanks. I was just curious.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 07, 2025 02:55 PM (XeU6L)

515 Trump exhibits a boldness not seen in the US Presidency since Teddy Roosevelt.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 07, 2025 02:58 PM (pohLc)

516 What is your deal, exactly? Are you just being contrarian, or what?
Posted by: troyriser

-----------
Oh man, I am not saying they did not happen.
I am not saying they were not wrong.
(I am saying that they are overblown. I do not want to get into details, but it should be obvious that if no one is telling the other side, and if both Korea and China have a vested interest in vilifying the Japanese, that maybe things were not quite as bad as the conventional story states. )

What I am saying is that we need to give it a rest. We need to stop acting as if we are moral people and will fight moral wars and that surely the Chinese are humans too. ("the Russians love their children too...")

Justifying denouncing the Japanese is no different from tearing down civil war statues. Or founding fathers. It does two harms, first it creates a false idea that the world can be utopia if we denounce the past enough, and second it justifies what China plans as revenge.

Let's forget Japan. Was England wrong to fight the opium war? should UK be denounced? Does that justify China flooding the West with Fentanyl? They think it does.

Posted by: Gentlemen, time for a reckoning at January 07, 2025 03:03 PM (Wz1Ib)

517 Nasty fire in the Pacific Oalisades.

60mph winds expected later.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 07, 2025 03:11 PM (ufFY8)

518 Just hoping this guy doesn't prove wrong all the folks touting how peaceful Trump's 1st administration was.

Let's get our own house in order before we start cranking up the empire machine.

Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at January 07, 2025 03:28 PM (Ij2uN)

519 >>> Let's forget Japan. Was England wrong to fight the opium war? should UK be denounced? Does that justify China flooding the West with Fentanyl? They think it does.

Americans still barely even acknowledge their own war crimes in WW2. I'm a little tired of the hypocrisy, tbh. We're in no position to be pointing fingers at anybody, imo.

Posted by: Tinfoil Dispenser at January 07, 2025 03:32 PM (Ij2uN)

520 The Greenland option started when China was sniffing around the area looking for mineral rights for exploitation.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 07, 2025 03:40 PM (n7h9X)

521 we could rename Greenland "Ice Guam."

Puerto Hielo.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at January 07, 2025 02:19 PM (aD39U)

Trumpland.

Posted by: Oldcat at January 07, 2025 03:45 PM (n7h9X)

522 We can't afford to alienate Denmark.

LOL. J/K

We should buy Greenland and give it to Sweden just for shits and giggles.

Posted by: Kevin Feige's Hat Sweat at January 07, 2025 03:52 PM (N/oGZ)

523 Greenland has a lot of problems, and Denmark really hasn't been able to do much about it. Greenland also has a lot of resources, and a lot of people who are cousins to people in Alaska.

Yeah, we definitely should be more cozy friends with them, and it would be cool to have them around.

Plus, if you offered to make Greenland a state, and parts of Canada a state, I bet Puerto Rico would suddenly be scrambling....

Honestly, I don't expect Trump to actually acquire Greenland, but I bet he gets things moving in a way that he wants them to move. Because obviously he has a plan.

Posted by: Suburbanbanshee at January 07, 2025 03:57 PM (p2GXS)

524 We all thinks Presdent Trump shoulds rename the Golf of Mexico to the Golf of Obama to honor our furst Presdent of Coller...

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vt at January 07, 2025 04:04 PM (CP2il)

525 Santa Ana's Revenge on the Round Eyes who stole their land.....

Posted by: Franklin Stein at January 07, 2025 04:06 PM (Oal3t)

526 But there's already a Gulf of America! It's the North Atlantic!

The US may have been too clever by half, diplomatically, when they colored-up the revolution that created Panama. Short run, brilliant, but we were seldom known as enlightened colonial administrators (you might make an exception for WH Taft, who may not have looked the Man of Action but did get a lot done in Manila despite the State Dept). The CZ was treated as a burden, other than the ditch itself.

Without saying much, the US made quite an investment in surveying and planning improvements, but they kept getting pushed back because of the pie/sky atomic dream of a sea-level canal in Nicaragua to replace it and make it obsolete.

We don't talk about it, but there was a generation-long world shipping depression that kept the profit outlook down, and air freight was taking over everything, before China became the world's workshop. If we make a major play to make Panama matter, someone (guess who?) will start to see The Other Canal as a good investment. Lord knows, we don't treat our seaports and shipping industry as if we are a sea-faring nation anymore.

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at January 07, 2025 04:38 PM (zdLoL)

527 Don't we have a military base on Greenland, not unlike Russia's having a military base in The Crimea? Then there are the natural resources. Of course, if China wants it, it's important to make sure China doesn't get it.

Posted by: Al in St. Louis at January 09, 2025 10:02 AM (XU3QZ)

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