THE MORNING RANT: Government is Paying Manufacturers to Produce Electric School Buses, and Then Paying School Districts to Buy Them

There have been some ridiculous market distortions imposed by our government in its effort to replace vehicles powered by gasoline and diesel with those powered by electricity, but perhaps none is more ridiculous than the various subsidies designed to electrify America’s school bus fleet.

The federal government is providing multi-million dollar subsidies to school bus manufacturers for producing electric school buses, and the government is also providing multi-billion dollar subsidies to local school districts to buy these electric buses. One school bus manufacturer, Blue Bird Corporation, is riding high right now, as both streams of free federal money are flowing into its coffers.

To put it more simply, Blue Bird is receiving federal grants to manufacture electric school buses, while the revenue it receives from selling these school buses is also being provided by federal grants. There would be no market for this product without the government subsidizing all aspects of its manufacture and sale.

In a July 2024 press release, Blue Bird proudly announced that it was receiving an $80 million grant from the Department of Energy to expand its electric school bus operations. The money comes from an appropriation under the Biden administration’s “$2 billion investment to convert long-standing automotive facilities to manufacturing electric vehicles and components, retain and expand good-paying manufacturing jobs, and bolster domestic supply chains.” Per the Blue Bird press release, the funds will be used to convert a plant in Fort Valley, GA that was idled in 2019.

In a separate press release from November 2024, Blue Bird announced strong full year results, driven by delivery of more than 700 electric school buses. Funding for these buses came from the EPA’s “Clean School Bus Program” which awards money to local school districts, which in turn use the money to buy electric buses from Blue Bird. At approximately $375k per bus, those 700 federally funded buses brought in revenue of around $260 million.

There are three phases to the EPA’s Clean School Bus Program, totaling $5 billion. Only one phase, at $1 billion, has been completed. Blue Bird is already accumulating orders for additional federally funded EV buses. CEO Phil Horlock stated that another 630 EV buses have been ordered and are in Blue Bird’s backlog, all to be funded by EPA grants to school districts. For those doing the math, that’s another $200 million or so of Blue Bird revenue that will be provided by US taxpayers. For comparison’s sake, Blue Bird’s total revenue in 2022 was about $800 million.

Prior to tapping into this gusher of free federal money, Blue Bird had been recording losses and hemorrhaging money, forcing it to downsize other operations. Per a May 2022 article in the Macon Telegraph, “On the heels of reporting a $12.1 million loss in its fiscal second quarter, Blue Bird Corporation laid off 115 production workers at its Fort Valley manufacturing facility.”

The stock price of Blue Bird (Nasdaq: BLBD) fell below $8 per share less than two years ago, with the company reporting losses for consecutive years. But with the cascade of tax dollars being steered to Blue Bird for electric buses, the stock has recently been trading at around $40 per share. From a recent Business Insider piece titled ”The Best-Performing EV Stock This Year Is A School Bus Manufacturer” comes this quote from CEO Horlock during a recent earnings call, “This is an entirely different Blue Bird bus revenue and gross margin structure compared with just a year ago with bus prices up significantly." What CEO Horlock means is that rather than selling gas and diesel-powered buses in a competitive bidding process for about $125k per unit, Blue Bird is now being paid by the government to manufacture electric buses, which are then sold for about $375k per unit in a non-competitive environment in which the $375k is also provided by the federal government.

Unfortunately for the school districts obtaining free electric school buses, they must also scrap their reliable old gas and diesel buses as part of the deal, leaving them with highly unreliable electric buses. From a news item in the Times-Union newspaper last February, five of the seven electric school buses operated by the Bethlehem (New York) Central School District had been inoperable in preceding weeks.

Aside from being unreliable, electric school buses are also a horrible fit for places with cold winters. The Department of Energy offers some pretty outrageous advice on how to overcome the inherent problem of electric school buses losing their charge in winter. These include:

• Minimize Door Openings: “Consider if you can reduce or minimize the time the doors are open on the bus.”

• Add Heated Driver’s Seats: “Heating a driver’s seat requires much less power than heating the cabin air.”

• Evaluate Worst-Case Cold Weather When Performing Route Analysis: “Consider driving your ESB on various routes during its first season operating in cold weather, starting with the shortest, least demanding route.”

• Store ESBs Indoors Overnight: “If indoor storage is not possible, storing the bus in areas with sunshine during the day helps the bus use less power for cabin heating…”

Alternatively, school districts can forego the free federal money and continue to transport their school kids using reliable, heated, time-tested, gas and diesel buses. Many school districts are doing just that, determining that free electric buses are still too expensive, because not only do they have reliability and performance shortcomings, but school districts must also scrap their perfectly good diesel-powered buses upon receiving their government-funded EV school buses.

The Modoc Joint Unified School District in the northeast corner of California had been awarded $2.4 million from the EPA for six electric buses before withdrawing from the program. The school district’s superintendent, who noted that temperatures get extremely cold in Modoc, stated "Basically, we're being told that you can't run the heaters, which means you can't defrost your windows because they take too much battery power. So, we were told they would get 200 miles on a charge, but the people in the field were telling us 70 with a loaded bus. That just doesn't work."

It has often been said that EVs are the solution to a problem that doesn’t exist. In the case of electric school buses, it’s even worse. The electric school bus push is creating a set of problems where none even existed before. But it’s also creating a mighty taxpayer-subsidized revenue stream for one school bus manufacturer.

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

Comments

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1 I've alerted the others.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at December 30, 2024 11:00 AM (O7YUW)

2 The spice-grift must flow.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 30, 2024 11:01 AM (fs1hN)

3 Wheels on the bus go round and... whoops. Dead battery.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 30, 2024 11:01 AM (Q4IgG)

4 There are students in Modoc?

Posted by: SFGoth at December 30, 2024 11:02 AM (KAi1n)

5 electric school bus push

Alright kids, get out and push!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at December 30, 2024 11:02 AM (+6e2h)

6 Aside from being unreliable, electric school buses are also a horrible fit for places with cold winters. The Department of Energy offers some pretty outrageous advice on how to overcome the inherent problem of electric school buses losing their charge in winter. These include:

• Add Heated Driver’s Seats: “Heating a driver’s seat requires much less power than heating the cabin air.”

Aka, FUCK THE KIDS!

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 30, 2024 11:03 AM (/CGkw)

7 https://youtu.be/5r-yN8SugWM

Now imagine that being a school bus with a bunch of kids on it. Do you think you could evacuate them off the bus quickly enough before it was engulfed in flames?

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at December 30, 2024 11:04 AM (O7YUW)

8 NaCly needs to weigh in here.

Posted by: Emmie at December 30, 2024 11:04 AM (Sf2cq)

9 Who doesn't love a yellow electric school bus dildo?

Posted by: Carmella Harris at December 30, 2024 11:04 AM (paSBy)

10 Credit Card Defaults Spike to Highest Level Since Aftermath of 2008 Financial Crisis

Chicago PMI dips lower than expected, indicating manufacturing contraction

Dow slides 600 points in thin trading, extending sell-off to end 2024

Posted by: SMOD at December 30, 2024 11:04 AM (RHGPo)

11 Add Heated Driver’s Seats: “Heating a driver’s seat requires much less power than heating the cabin air.”
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Ummm ... what about the kids?

Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 30, 2024 11:04 AM (iFTx/)

12 Store ESBs Indoors Overnight: “If indoor storage is not possible,

storing the bus in areas with sunshine during the day helps the bus use less power for cabin heating…”

Paint the buses black!

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 30, 2024 11:04 AM (/CGkw)

13 9 No yellow!

Posted by: Bulg at December 30, 2024 11:04 AM (v6JzV)

14 Ummm ... what about the kids?
Posted by: Elric The Blade

See #6.

F the kids.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 30, 2024 11:05 AM (/CGkw)

15 I personally hate school busses.

There get that ability to stop all traffic around them and then wait and wait and wait.

And the kids have no idea how to enter a school bus and sit down

Posted by: SMOD at December 30, 2024 11:05 AM (RHGPo)

16 Ahem. TAXPAYERS are the ones doing all the paying.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 30, 2024 11:05 AM (WuXBX)

17 11 Add Heated Driver’s Seats: “Heating a driver’s seat requires much less power than heating the cabin air.”
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Ummm ... what about the kids?
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 30, 2024 11:04 AM (iFTx/)

They will ride barefoot in the snow on the bus, uphill both ways.

Posted by: Roy at December 30, 2024 11:05 AM (z+ik4)

18 Ummm ... what about the kids?
Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 30, 2024 11:04 AM (iFTx/)

They need to dress like Ralphie’s kid brother in Christmas Story.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 30, 2024 11:05 AM (CT61Q)

19 No yellow buses!

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 30, 2024 11:06 AM (hovnC)

20 The Modoc Joint Unified School District in the northeast corner of California had been awarded $2.4 million from the EPA for six electric buses before withdrawing from the program.
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Modoc Country is really remote (I used to live just south of there). They'd put a lot of mileage on their buses. EVs for buses there would be really stupid. Glad they've got district officers with some sense.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at December 30, 2024 11:06 AM (6K6Eu)

21 It's a write off, Jerry.
They just write it off.

Posted by: Kramer at December 30, 2024 11:06 AM (WuXBX)

22 electric school bus push

Alright kids, get out and push!
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at December 30, 2024 11:02 AM

Phys Ed!

- The School District

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 30, 2024 11:06 AM (+QlJh)

23 Nice ~~job~~ grift if you can get it.

Posted by: GWB at December 30, 2024 11:06 AM (WlvCt)

24 Stop trying to make EVs a thing. It's never going to happen.

Posted by: NR Pax at December 30, 2024 11:06 AM (NR6c1)

25 One can tell how good a product is based on the amount of subsidy is required to sell it.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 30, 2024 11:07 AM (lTGtQ)

26 electric school buses are also a horrible fit for places with cold winters. The Department of Energy offers some pretty outrageous advice

1. Buy a gasoline-powered backup for each battery bus.

Posted by: t-bird at December 30, 2024 11:07 AM (LbnIB)

27 Another good rant, Buck. Although your lack of a monkey / ape / chimp avatar continues to be a noticeable omission. Why you gotta be a rebel??

Posted by: Doof at December 30, 2024 11:07 AM (RFPHU)

28
Jennifer Granholm made over a million dollars on the electric school bus scam. Mission accomplished.

Posted by: Auspex at December 30, 2024 11:07 AM (4liYN)

29 New York Post @nypost 1h
School bus driver charged with driving 32 kids while intoxicated
trib.al/y6in6oU

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 30, 2024 11:07 AM (hovnC)

30 Who doesn't like a yellow electric school bus ? Evidently most people

Posted by: It's me donna at December 30, 2024 11:07 AM (VE6XX)

31 It might be more efficient to pay them to dig holes, then refill the holes.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 30, 2024 11:08 AM (Cus5s)

32 School bus driver charged with driving 32 kids while intoxicated
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How did he get 32 kids intoxicated?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at December 30, 2024 11:08 AM (6K6Eu)

33 I’m waiting for NaCly Dog to weigh in on this schoolbus thing.

Posted by: Eromero at December 30, 2024 11:08 AM (r51hs)

34 15 I hate school buses, too. Never rode one after the second grade, except for band trips, field trips, etc. Walking to and from school was much better.

Posted by: Bulg at December 30, 2024 11:08 AM (v6JzV)

35 It's all trendy and praiseworthy until a car crashes into one of those EV buses and it bursts into flames that kill all on board and burns for a week.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 30, 2024 11:08 AM (u1uWe)

36 Thx Buck. Let's see; two dem Georgia senators. Company big Dem donor. And Kamala just loves some big yellow school buses.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 30, 2024 11:08 AM (MLa3L)

37 An electric school bus?
I'll drink to that!

Posted by: Old Lady Emhoff at December 30, 2024 11:08 AM (WuXBX)

38 And when the busses catch on fire and kill all the children on board, you can rest easy knowing that they are no longer contributing carbon to Our Mother Earth.

Posted by: NR Pax at December 30, 2024 11:08 AM (NR6c1)

39 They should name the electric school buses "Blow Birds" in honor of Kameltoe.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2024 11:09 AM (8zz6B)

40 Out of all of the content on AosHQ, I think Buck's EV articles get my blood boiling the most.

Just because the manifest unfair siphoning of my treasure is on display in my neighbors' driveways every day. It's a constant reminder of how I get f*cked every time I have to cut a check to the government - and how some of my otherwise pleasant neighbors milk that system for their own personal gain.

It gives me... decidedly unpleasant emotions.

Posted by: Defenestratus at December 30, 2024 11:09 AM (s6fEz)

41 I personally hate school busses.

There get that ability to stop all traffic around them and then wait and wait and wait.

And the kids have no idea how to enter a school bus and sit down
Posted by: SMOD at December 30, 2024 11:05 AM (RHGPo)
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There's an expensive private school a few blocks from my place in Manhattan. Unfortunately, it's on a block that's easy access to a main avenue, so I drive past there frequently. I've learned to avoid it like the plague during school-day endings. It's a clusterfuck: School buses, entitled helicopter parents picking up their brats in Range Rovers, and everyone moving slowly and incompetently like they have no idea they're backing up traffic.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 30, 2024 11:09 AM (iFTx/)

42 Why you gotta be a rebel??
Posted by: Doof at December 30, 2024 11:07 AM (RFPHU)

The Horde generally prefers nonconformists.

Posted by: Emmie at December 30, 2024 11:09 AM (Sf2cq)

43 I was hoping for at least an AI-generated picture of the bus' battery in flames.

Posted by: XTC at December 30, 2024 11:09 AM (UnA8+)

44 But it’s also creating a mighty taxpayer-subsidized revenue stream for one school bus manufacturer.

i'm just surprised it's not byd

Posted by: anachronda at December 30, 2024 11:10 AM (v3pYe)

45 _____
How did he get 32 kids intoxicated?
_____

Easy. A keg.

Posted by: Ask me how I know at December 30, 2024 11:10 AM (WuXBX)

46 Doesn't BlueBird provide the busses for federally transported detainees? In my state they are the bus of choice for state prisoners. They are virtually a govt subsidiary. Next in line is GM.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 30, 2024 11:10 AM (Dng1D)

47 I think the EV scam and boondoggle is coming to an end. It's already fading out in Europe as the money runs out. It will here in America too.

Posted by: Elric The Blade at December 30, 2024 11:10 AM (iFTx/)

48 Has a school district ANYWHERE been used as a test bed, to show that these things actually work over time and a reliable for fleet use?

It is truly remarkable so many are willing to shoot themselves in the head over something that has not so far been proven to be viable.

Rechargeable school busses, trains, snowplows, earth miving equipment, garbage trucks - these stupid fvckers have proven Tom Sowell’s maxim:

“Liberalism is replacing what works, with what sounds good.”

Posted by: Common Tater at December 30, 2024 11:11 AM (Qvlta)

49 Electric vehicles will make invading Russia hard.

Posted by: pudinhead at December 30, 2024 11:11 AM (jFCkp)

50 Think the only good thing about this is that it does not appear to be a China Belt and Road infrastructure scam. Blue Bird is an American-ish company.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 30, 2024 11:11 AM (u1uWe)

51 School bus driver charged with driving 32 kids while intoxicated
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How did he get 32 kids intoxicated?
Posted by: Captain Obvious

Juice boxes.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 30, 2024 11:11 AM (/CGkw)

52 School bus driver charged with driving 32 kids while intoxicated

Contributing to delinquency!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at December 30, 2024 11:11 AM (+6e2h)

53 40 Just because the manifest unfair siphoning of my treasure is on display in my neighbors' driveways every day. It's a constant reminder of how I get f*cked every time I have to cut a check to the government - and how some of my otherwise pleasant neighbors milk that system for their own personal gain.

It gives me... decidedly unpleasant emotions.
Posted by: Defenestratus at December 30, 2024 11:09 AM (s6fEz)

And this is why all the Hindu H1-Bs laugh at us.

We try to do things the right way, we refuse to game the system, and we get punished for it.

Posted by: XTC at December 30, 2024 11:11 AM (UnA8+)

54 48 Has a school district ANYWHERE been used as a test bed, to show that these things actually work over time and a reliable for fleet use?
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This is a Literally Hitler moment with his Tiger Tanks.

Posted by: pudinhead at December 30, 2024 11:12 AM (jFCkp)

55 >> Has a school district ANYWHERE been used as a test bed, to show that these things actually work over time and a reliable for fleet use?

I wonder how they do in cold climates, say, upstate NY???

Posted by: Lizzy at December 30, 2024 11:12 AM (u1uWe)

56 49 Electric vehicles will make invading Russia hard.
Posted by: pudinhead at December 30, 2024 11:11 AM (jFCkp)

Canada first ... as an invasion dress rehersal.

(Its hilarious how upset Canadians get about this ongoing joke)

Posted by: Defenestratus at December 30, 2024 11:13 AM (s6fEz)

57 ISRO - PSLV-CA - SpaDeX

Launch Time: 11:28 AM Eastern, 21:58 IST, 1628 UTC, 17:28 CET

https://www.youtube.com/live/vIOkKIn_Md0

about 15 minutes

Posted by: Ciampino - Singing quietly has never been my forte at December 30, 2024 11:13 AM (i0xsb)

58 Didn't a bunch of school buses catch fire ? I think it was in CT? Ended up,taking them all out?

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at December 30, 2024 11:13 AM (t/2Uw)

59 The back of the bus is a good place to be...at certain times.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 30, 2024 11:13 AM (Dng1D)

60 Canada first ... as an invasion dress rehersal.

(Its hilarious how upset Canadians get about this ongoing joke)
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Canada has resorted to advertisements about how important Canada is to the US during Football Games.

Posted by: pudinhead at December 30, 2024 11:14 AM (jFCkp)

61 An Auburn University study says every single regulator destroys fully 138 private sector jobs every year you keep him on the job. With nearly 300,000 federal regulators, the shock is that we still have any jobs at all.

Posted by: SMOD at December 30, 2024 11:14 AM (RHGPo)

62 about 15 minutes
Posted by: Ciampino - Singing quietly has never been my forte at December 30, 2024 11:13 AM (i0xsb)

I'm at the end of my rope about giving a flying F about space and rockets and all of that nonsense.

I still personally blame Elon for the EV insanity we face now. Without him, it would never have happened.

Posted by: Defenestratus at December 30, 2024 11:14 AM (s6fEz)

63 Jennifer Granholm made over a million dollars on the electric school bus scam. Mission accomplished.

Posted by: Auspex

She did better than that. She was on the board of an electric bus company when she awarded a federal contract to them, then resigned and sold the shares using a government-employee-only IRS rule, and paid no income tax on the gains.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 30, 2024 11:14 AM (lTGtQ)

64 Hang on, the driver’s bootay can be warmed but the children must freeze?

Posted by: Piper at December 30, 2024 11:15 AM (pZEOD)

65 It might be more efficient to pay them to dig holes, then refill the holes.

But there needs to be a moral component.

Greenhouse gasses are heavier than air. We can remove greenhouse gasses from the air by digging deep holes. Allow the gasses to fill the hole overnight, then refill the hole the next day.

Note: anyone using complicated math, personal evidence, or who appeals to “common sense” to cast doubt on any part of this very beneficial process is a climate unbeliever; they must be fired immediately, barred from social media, and their children expelled.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 30, 2024 11:15 AM (EXyHK)

66 57 ISRO - PSLV-CA - SpaDeX

Launch Time: 11:28 AM Eastern, 21:58 IST, 1628 UTC, 17:28 CET

https://www.youtube.com/live/vIOkKIn_Md0

about 15 minutes
Posted by: Ciampino - Singing quietly has never
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YeHaa, speaking of Indians.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 30, 2024 11:15 AM (Dng1D)

67 i'm just surprised it's not byd
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I was just thinking about Chinese cars. The argument used to be that they shouldn't be imported because they're heavily subsidized by the Chinese government.

Byd is a private company. It has received some subsidies, but nothing like the giant wads of cash the feds have thrown at our auto manufacturers in the past few years. Not even close.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at December 30, 2024 11:15 AM (paSBy)

68 Doesn't BlueBird provide the busses for federally transported detainees?
——-

Also the working name for the covert domestic CIA MK-ULTRA mind control program.

Which, insofar as admitted, we are assured by those who burned all the records, “didn’t work” (Whew!) although it seems strange it took 25 to 30 years to make this determination. “We’re really sorry, and we won’t do it again.” Sure, Jan

Whatever were they doing? Well - you’re soaking in it.

Posted by: Common Tater at December 30, 2024 11:16 AM (Qvlta)

69 20
‘ Modoc Country is really remote (I used to live just south of there)’
Is it mountainous or even hilly?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 30, 2024 11:16 AM (jbnUc)

70 Canada has resorted to advertisements about how important Canada is to the US during Football Games.
Posted by: pudinhead at December 30, 2024 11:14 AM (jFCkp)

So... they're that important to us so we... shouldn't.... invade them?

Bold strategy Cotton...

Posted by: Defenestratus at December 30, 2024 11:16 AM (s6fEz)

71 Canada has resorted to advertisements about how important Canada is to the US during Football Games.
Posted by: pudinhead at December 30, 2024 11:14 AM (jFCkp)

I think that's Ontario. Run by retards, it is.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2024 11:16 AM (8zz6B)

72 Is it mountainous or even hilly?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 30, 2024 11:16 AM (jbnUc)
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Yes. Beautiful country, though.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at December 30, 2024 11:16 AM (6K6Eu)

73 the inherent problem of electric school buses losing their charge in winter.

"Kids, I can only make it if I turn off the heat..."

Posted by: t-bird at December 30, 2024 11:16 AM (LbnIB)

74 • Add Heated Driver’s Seats: “Heating a driver’s seat requires much less power than heating the cabin air.”

So what if your passengers are freezing.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 30, 2024 11:17 AM (xCA6C)

75 How did he get 32 kids intoxicated?
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SHE

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 30, 2024 11:17 AM (hovnC)

76 Electric school busses are interesting but trashing Jimmy Carter is more interesting.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 30, 2024 11:17 AM (RIvkX)

77 Electric or hybrid cars are an okay niche product, although subsidies should be eliminated. But only the federal gubmint and very braindead libs could think going to electric for trucks and buses was a good thing.

Posted by: PaleRider at December 30, 2024 11:17 AM (83y/e)

78 Chinese nationalists are increasingly calling for Russia to return land they claim was stolen by the Kremlin in the 19th century.
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The Treaty of Aigun in 1858 forced China to cede much of Manchuria to the Russian Tsar Alexander II.

The territory, comprising some 600,000 square kilometres, is part of Russia's Far East and includes Vladivostok - the base of Putin's Pacific Fleet.

Posted by: SMOD at December 30, 2024 11:17 AM (RHGPo)

79 76 Electric school busses are interesting but trashing Jimmy Carter is more interesting.
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Pretty sure Carter had the smallest dick of any American President.

Posted by: pudinhead at December 30, 2024 11:18 AM (jFCkp)

80 Canada is like a little brother of the cool older brother. Always desperate for attention.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 30, 2024 11:18 AM (8NohY)

81 I can't wait for the inevitable reckoning, when it will be discovered that absolutely nobody was in charge of this CF. It was nobody's idea to make EV school buses, it just sort of happened organically.

I was not a Nazi.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 30, 2024 11:18 AM (xCA6C)

82 32 School bus driver charged with driving 32 kids while intoxicated
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How did he get 32 kids intoxicated?
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at December 30, 2024 11:08 AM (6K6Eu)

Children can't handle their liquor.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 30, 2024 11:18 AM (zMwmR)

83 Will President Musk allow the $7500 tax credit to be repealed?
That's a big reason for so many neighborhoods being Teslatown.

Posted by: I gotta ask at December 30, 2024 11:19 AM (WuXBX)

84 Pretty sure Carter had the smallest dick of any American President.
Posted by: pudinhead at December 30, 2024 11:18 AM (jFCkp)
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Washington was. like, made of dicks.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at December 30, 2024 11:19 AM (6K6Eu)

85 83 Will President Musk allow the $7500 tax credit to be repealed?
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He supports repeal of EV subsidies.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at December 30, 2024 11:19 AM (paSBy)

86 40
‘how some of my otherwise pleasant neighbors milk that system for their own personal gain. ‘

Don’t get mad at that. Get mad that they think they’re better than you for doing it.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 30, 2024 11:19 AM (jbnUc)

87 I bet plenty of Congress critters did well on the blue birds stock.

Posted by: California red at December 30, 2024 11:20 AM (D9643)

88 My kids high school has maybe 40+ school buses. I would be very interested in seeing how they could get enough power to charge them all up overnight.

Posted by: Jeff at December 30, 2024 11:20 AM (Xw/zA)

89 82 32 School bus driver charged with driving 32 kids while intoxicated
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How did he get 32 kids intoxicated?
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at December 30, 2024 11:08 AM (6K6Eu)

Children can't handle their liquor.
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Reminds me of Quaalude Spring at my HS. Fuck, that was fun.

Posted by: pudinhead at December 30, 2024 11:20 AM (jFCkp)

90 If we had an economic union with Canada, Canadians will have margarine again.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 30, 2024 11:20 AM (RIvkX)

91 Canada has resorted to advertisements about how important Canada is to the US during Football Games.
Posted by: pudinhead

If you have to resort to advertisements to remind us how important you are to us? You aren't.

When was the last time you saw advertisements for air?

"You need us!"
Posted by: Oxygen Board

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 30, 2024 11:20 AM (/CGkw)

92 The $7500 credit is only available for the first number of cars from a manufacturer. 250k I think? So Tesla surpased that long ago.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 30, 2024 11:20 AM (8NohY)

93 Canada has resorted to advertisements about how important Canada is to the US during Football Games.

Canada is more important during hockey games.

Posted by: t-bird at December 30, 2024 11:20 AM (LbnIB)

94 Canada has resorted to advertisements about how important Canada is to the US during Football Games.
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Canada is only important during football games?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at December 30, 2024 11:21 AM (6K6Eu)

95 There is no such thing as government waste. Every dollar that leaves the treasury goes to somebody’s constituent, or to an elected official.

George Washington discovered this truth when the Continental Congress spent money on post offices and roads instead of provisions for the Continental Army.

I wish Elon, Vivek, et al God speed in their efforts to defeat this basic truth of representative government.

Posted by: Going deep. Out. at December 30, 2024 11:21 AM (BBjH5)

96 We're your biggest national park!

Posted by: Canadia at December 30, 2024 11:21 AM (WuXBX)

97 My kids high school has maybe 40+ school buses. I would be very interested in seeing how they could get enough power to charge them all up overnight.
Posted by: Jeff

"That's the light from the sewer plant, Clark"

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 30, 2024 11:21 AM (/CGkw)

98 How did he get 32 kids intoxicated?
Posted by: Captain Obvious

It's easy, they're small.

Posted by: She Hobbit at December 30, 2024 11:22 AM (ftFVW)

99 Canada is more important during hockey games.
Posted by: t-bird at December 30, 2024 11:20 AM (LbnIB)

The Stanley Cup says otherwise since 1993

Posted by: Doof at December 30, 2024 11:22 AM (RFPHU)

100 Will President Musk allow the $7500 tax credit to be repealed?
That's a big reason for so many neighborhoods being Teslatown.
Posted by: I gotta ask at December 30, 2024 11:19 AM (WuXBX)

I believe Tesla is already disqualified for some of the subsidy, now being an "established" EV manufacturer. And ending the subsidy program would be a smart business move for Elon. Tesla will survive, his competitors won't.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2024 11:22 AM (8zz6B)

101 88 My kids high school has maybe 40+ school buses. I would be very interested in seeing how they could get enough power to charge them all up overnight.

windmills. duh.

Posted by: anachronda at December 30, 2024 11:22 AM (v3pYe)

102 This essay basically describes Biden's entire run doesn't it?

Posted by: DanMan at December 30, 2024 11:22 AM (8uzBS)

103 Chinese nationalists are increasingly calling for Russia to return land they claim was stolen by the Kremlin in the 19th century.
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The Treaty of Aigun in 1858 forced China to cede much of Manchuria to the Russian Tsar Alexander II.

The territory, comprising some 600,000 square kilometres, is part of Russia's Far East and includes Vladivostok - the base of Putin's Pacific Fleet.

I see this as one of the world's most important flash points for the next quarter century.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 30, 2024 11:22 AM (xCA6C)

104 School buses, entitled helicopter parents picking up their brats in Range Rovers, and everyone moving slowly and incompetently like they have no idea they're backing up traffic.

This isn’t all helicopter parents anymore. At my sister’s rural school, they require that there be an adult to meet the child at the drop-off location. This can be difficult when both parents are working.

I’ve driven to my sister’s to be the adult waiting for my niece (she had to vouch that this strange man in a giant car was in fact a relative) to be dropped off. My sister also often asked my dad, who lived closer to the school, to just pick up my niece at school, because it was easier than getting someone to her house.

The school has not redesigned their pick-up area to match this policy, making it a dangerous mess.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 30, 2024 11:22 AM (EXyHK)

105 I want them to explain that we need electric snowplows.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 30, 2024 11:23 AM (NQtI0)

106 Tesla has become largely ineligible for the tax credits because the credits are structured to encourage new EV companies. Tesla has enough fan base now to survive w/o the subsidies, and would love not having their competition getting that boost from the subsidies.

Posted by: PaleRider at December 30, 2024 11:23 AM (83y/e)

107 Canada is in the pocket of Big Lecithin.

Posted by: Bulg at December 30, 2024 11:23 AM (v6JzV)

108 How about we eliminate all subsidies for all industries? EVs and oil and coal and real estate and the thousands of others. But we won't because nobody wants their pet subsidy taken away. Everyone wants the other guy's subsidy repealed.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 30, 2024 11:23 AM (8NohY)

109 But only the federal gubmint and very braindead libs could think going to electric for trucks and buses was a good thing.

Posted by: PaleRider

Electric buses work fine as long as you have installed inductive charging at every stop, and the air temperatures are between 50 and 80 f every day of the year. So they can work in parts of Southern California and almost nowhere else.

Electric trucks are completely insane. An electric tractor trailer rig would cost twice as much as a conventional one, have 20% of its payload reduced to allow for the required battery pack, and have a best possible range one fourth of a diesel powered equivalent.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 30, 2024 11:24 AM (lTGtQ)

110 Watching all these Indians in clean rooms assembling the satellites. All personnel in smocks and shower caps, all to avoid hair falling into the equipment BUT MOST OF THE MEN HAVE FACIAL HAIR THAT IS UNCOVERED!

Posted by: Ciampino - Singing quietly has never been my forte at December 30, 2024 11:24 AM (i0xsb)

111 Canada has resorted to advertisements about how important Canada is to the US during Football Games.

Canada is more important during hockey games.
Posted by: t-bird

Canaduh hasn't been important in hockey since 1993 when they last won Lord Stanley's cup.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 30, 2024 11:24 AM (/CGkw)

112 The dirty little secret is a lot of districts can’t even maintain the school busses they have now.

Big trucks and similar use large heavy duty batteries in a parallel/series arrangement. Usually 4 of them - and they are expensive. Figure $1000 for the whole shootin’ match.

Well batteries like to sit around in an un-charged condition, high heat accelerates the sulfation. You know … like over the summer …. So they come back to a bunch of batteries that typically fail around January, the first cold snap.

Nobody gives a fuck, because they aren’t spending their own money, just float another bond, raise some more tax, and gloat about queering the kids.

Why do Children need to be bussed around anyway? Seems like a wasteful practice, it isn’t the 70s any longer.

Posted by: Common Tater at December 30, 2024 11:24 AM (Qvlta)

113 After Dad retired, he hated being retired, so he drove a school bus for about 10 years. His first day on the job a 10 year old boy climbs aboard and says, "Wow, you're old!"

Dad says, "How old do you think I am?"

Boy, "I dunno, 40?"

Dad laughs, "Works for me, welcome aboard."

Posted by: Tim the Enchanter at December 30, 2024 11:24 AM (xPJvm)

114 54
‘ This is a Literally Hitler moment with his Tiger Tanks’

You don’t think the Battle of Kursk was the right place to find out whether Tiger tanks worked or not?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 30, 2024 11:24 AM (jbnUc)

115 Wealthy school districts don't tend to have the poor from the region bussed in.

>WRI dot org: The State of Electric School Bus Adoption in the US, November 18, 2024

In part, "Notably, 89% of total Clean School Bus Program funds and 84% of awarded electric school buses went to “priority” school districts, which include school districts with high poverty levels, rural school districts, Bureau of Indian Affairs-funded school districts, and school districts that receive basic support payments for children who reside on Indian land.

Thanks to this program, there are now electric school bus commitments in 49 states, Washington, D.C., American Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands and several tribal nations including the Lower Brule Sioux Tribe, Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians, Morongo Band of Mission Indians, the Soboba Band of Luiseño Indians and the Umo N Ho N Nation. This unprecedented level of funding comes from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law of 2021 and would not have been possible without the tireless advocacy work of groups..." Read.

Giveth & taketh away syndrome.

I love environment justice arguments locally. A huge port operation is untouchable. $$$

Posted by: L - Hook him, book him, cook him. Now! at December 30, 2024 11:24 AM (NFX2v)

116 This has been going on in Michigan. Brilliant place to have EVs for the transportation of children, when EVs don't start or have good efficiency in cold weather. Not to mention the extreme risk of fire in EV busses, putting children in danger.

DTE - Helping schools across Michigan electrify their bus fleet

https://bit.ly/3Q4UWKy

To date (04/01/24), DTE has helped nearly one dozen school districts secure over 100 all-electric school buses through the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) Clean School Bus Program.

The School District of the City of Pontiac (PSD) is a great example of one of the districts DTE has worked closely with to fully electrify their school bus fleet. In March, the DTE team joined in a celebration with PSD, the EPA and the Michigan Department of Environment, Great Lakes and Energy (EGLE) in recognition of the district achieving this milestone.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 30, 2024 11:25 AM (P5BPp)

117 Jeebus, I walked to school from 1st through 6th grade. The first time I saw a bus was in 7th grade and it was a city bus not some yellow thing.

Posted by: pudinhead at December 30, 2024 11:26 AM (jFCkp)

118 The difference between us and the left is that we can discuss and debate, and reach a compromise which actually makes sense and solves multiple problems. The left could learn, but they won't.

Elon Musk admitted that H1-B visas are “broken” and floated a potential fix as he sought to cool a raging civil war within the MAGA base over the immigration program for highly skilled foreign workers.

Just a day after vowing to “go to war on this issue” and telling detractors to “F— yourself,” Musk, the world’s richest man, acknowledged some of the criticisms of the program getting abused and argued that the US should make it more costly to hire foreigners.

“Easily fixed by raising the minimum salary significantly and adding a yearly cost for maintaining the H1B, making it materially more expensive to hire from overseas than domestically,” Musk wrote on X late Saturday in response to a thread claiming H1-B visas were being used to hire low-wage programmers and developers.

https://is.gd/IJALaF

Posted by: Archimedes at December 30, 2024 11:26 AM (xCA6C)

119 '• Add Heated Driver’s Seats: “Heating a driver’s seat requires much less power than heating the cabin air.”'

So, 'fuck them kids', am I right, Democrats?

Posted by: DudeAbiding at December 30, 2024 11:26 AM (lCHt6)

120 THE MORNING RANT: Government is Paying Manufacturers to Produce Electric School Buses, and Then Paying School Districts to Buy Them

And the EV companies hire/pay the Dem politicians making these rulings. Oh and the schools. And the regulators of the EVs. And of school buses.

Remember the POINT of the government is to take as much money from the taxpayers as possible anything else it does is incidental

Posted by: 18-1 at December 30, 2024 11:26 AM (oZhjI)

121 After Dad retired, he hated being retired, so he drove a school bus for about 10 years. His first day on the job a 10 year old boy climbs aboard and says, "Wow, you're old!"

Dad says, "How old do you think I am?"

Boy, "I dunno, 40?"

Dad laughs, "Works for me, welcome aboard."
Posted by: Tim the Enchanter

*SNORT

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 30, 2024 11:26 AM (/CGkw)

122 China picking on the Russians at this point in time is a poor choice. Maybe it's a misdirection for their folding economy.
A place to put their unemployed work force.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 30, 2024 11:26 AM (Dng1D)

123 Don't bother us. We're busy working on the mandate for electric helicopters!

Posted by: EPA at December 30, 2024 11:27 AM (WuXBX)

124 Good morning!

Posted by: gp at December 30, 2024 11:27 AM (NLkgW)

125 So, 'fuck them kids', am I right, Democrats?

LOVE IS LOVE

Posted by: Some Dem Groomer at December 30, 2024 11:27 AM (oZhjI)

126 >Add Heated Driver’s Seats: “Heating a driver’s seat requires much less power than heating the cabin air.”

Hahaha, fuck them kids, they can freeze!

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at December 30, 2024 11:27 AM (f9fPA)

127 Add Heated Driver’s Seats: “Heating a driver’s seat requires much less power than heating the cabin air.”'

So, 'fuck them kids', am I right, Democrats?
Posted by: DudeAbiding

See #6. Yes, yes you are.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 30, 2024 11:27 AM (/CGkw)

128 So, 'fuck them kids', am I right, Democrats?
Posted by: DudeAbiding at December 30, 2024 11:26 AM (lCHt6)

Fucking kids is their very nature.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2024 11:28 AM (8zz6B)

129
The Modoc Joint Unified School District in the northeast corner of California had been awarded $2.4 million from the EPA for six electric buses before withdrawing from the program.

==============

Wow. Someone made a rational decision based on facts. Can we revoke their California citizenship?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 30, 2024 11:28 AM (n7rxJ)

130 Two minutes

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 30, 2024 11:28 AM (Dng1D)

131 The territory, comprising some 600,000 square kilometres, is part of Russia's Far East and includes Vladivostok - the base of Putin's Pacific Fleet.

I see this as one of the world's most important flash points for the next quarter century.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 30, 2024 11:22 AM (xCA6C)

What makes it interesting is that, if I read the stats correctly, the largest ethnic group in the region is Han Chinese. However, if Russia gives up Vladivostok they give up the Pacific, and they can’t do that.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 30, 2024 11:29 AM (wyMQY)

132 How long until a school bus self immolates???

Posted by: It is a self hating leftist construct isn't it? at December 30, 2024 11:29 AM (YnLVJ)

133 Illinois has or had a pretty screwy law limiting the accumulated miles on a school bus. Very low, IIRC, under 30K. Buses over the limit were sold off and other municipalities gladly bought them, through a broker. Smells of good ol' Illinois possibilities of kickbacks.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 30, 2024 11:29 AM (gm9Sb)

134 How did he get 32 kids intoxicated?
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SHE

Tranny huh?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at December 30, 2024 11:29 AM (3xAmh)

135 Wow. Someone made a rational decision based on facts. Can we revoke their California citizenship?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 30, 2024 11:28 AM (n7rxJ)
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They're way up in the very red part of the real Northern California, aka, the State of Jefferson.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at December 30, 2024 11:29 AM (6K6Eu)

136 72
‘ Yes. Beautiful country, though.’
I’ll bet it is. I was thinking in terms of how fast the battery will be drained. And it sounds like fast indeed.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 30, 2024 11:29 AM (jbnUc)

137 132 How long until a school bus self immolates???
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It won't be long.

Posted by: pudinhead at December 30, 2024 11:29 AM (jFCkp)

138 117 Jeebus, I walked to school from 1st through 6th grade. The first time I saw a bus was in 7th grade and it was a city bus not some yellow thing.

where i grew up, the school busses were green

Posted by: anachronda is an army brat at December 30, 2024 11:30 AM (v3pYe)

139 "Blue Bird is an American-ish company."

Is Hunter on their Board? Or maybe some other congress-critter's kid? Or maybe just some nice legal donations to the right corrupt arse's "cause" or foundation.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 30, 2024 11:30 AM (Cus5s)

140 China picking on the Russians at this point in time is a poor choice. Maybe it's a misdirection for their folding economy.
A place to put their unemployed work force.
Posted by: Braenyard

What says, "we can't afford to feed 400 million people" like a large regional war does?

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 30, 2024 11:30 AM (/CGkw)

141 My kids high school has maybe 40+ school buses. I would be very interested in seeing how they could get enough power to charge them all up overnight.

Area-wide blackouts. You'll be asleep, anyways.

Posted by: t-bird at December 30, 2024 11:30 AM (l5F6b)

142 One school bus manufacturer, Blue Bird Corporation, is riding high right now, as both streams of free federal money are flowing into its coffers.

This is how Tesla became successful. Along with the government scam of "carbon credits", which both propped up Telsa and hurt American automakers who had to pay Tesla to buy carbon credits when not meeting the ridiculous EPA regulations.

And Musk was fully on-board with this scam when it served his purposes. Pushing carbon credits and "climate change" to promote his EVs. Both to the detriment of Americans and western civilization in general, as he has contributed immensely to the lies of the climate hoax and carbon as a pollutant.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 30, 2024 11:30 AM (P5BPp)

143 China picking on the Russians at this point in time is a poor choice. Maybe it's a misdirection for their folding economy.
A place to put their unemployed work force.

There's plenty of folly to go around, for example, demonstrating to the world that your military isn't all that by invading a smaller neighbor and getting stuck in a quagmire that reveals it's gaping deficiencies.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 30, 2024 11:30 AM (xCA6C)

144 I’ll bet it is. I was thinking in terms of how fast the battery will be drained. And it sounds like fast indeed.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 30, 2024 11:29 AM (jbnUc)
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Yeah, they'd be picking up kids way out in the sticks.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at December 30, 2024 11:30 AM (6K6Eu)

145 134 How did he get 32 kids intoxicated?
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SHE

Tranny huh?

electric school busses don't need no tranny

Posted by: anachronda at December 30, 2024 11:31 AM (v3pYe)

146 2 years ago:

Connecticut Transit electric bus caught fire spontaneously in the depot...

https://youtu.be/_8YClwsWTyU?t=21

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at December 30, 2024 11:31 AM (O7YUW)

147 99 The Stanley Cup says otherwise since 1993
Posted by: Doof at December 30, 2024 11:22 AM (RFPHU)

Canada just lost to freaking Latvia in this year's World Juniors.

Posted by: XTC at December 30, 2024 11:31 AM (UnA8+)

148 What's with the name BlueBird lately? Is it a form of virtue signaling?

Posted by: look whats not at December 30, 2024 11:31 AM (nakGR)

149 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2024 11:31 AM (+sD5M)

150 Further proving that the government is just one big money laundering machine.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2024 11:31 AM (+sD5M)

151 137 132 How long until a school bus self immolates???
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It won't be long.

this is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: the short bus at December 30, 2024 11:32 AM (v3pYe)

152 2 weeks ago:

Electric school bus catches fire in Quebec:

https://youtu.be/BnKeTBQAazg

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at December 30, 2024 11:32 AM (O7YUW)

153 The Ohio State University Pours Millions Into DEI, Hosts Federally-Funded ‘Nonbinary’ Rock Climbing Program

.. of course, all rocks are nonbinary as they don't reproduce

Posted by: SMOD at December 30, 2024 11:32 AM (RHGPo)

154 Not the tax payers are paying. Not the government. The government is stealing and transferring with a 25% cut.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at December 30, 2024 11:33 AM (17s+e)

155 Jeebus, I walked to school from 1st through 6th grade. The first time I saw a bus was in 7th grade and it was a city bus not some yellow thing.

City bus. Picked me up four houses down at the corner. Dropped me off on the corner across from school.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 30, 2024 11:33 AM (/CGkw)

156 Do Androids Drive Electric School Buses? was one of Philip K. Dick's least interesting novels.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 30, 2024 11:33 AM (zMwmR)

157 The Hill says these are Biden's five greatest accomplishments.

1. Navigating the pandemic
2. Bipartisan bills
3. Ketanji Brown Jackson
4. Student loans
5. The economy

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at December 30, 2024 11:33 AM (L/fGl)

158 Electric school busses will really help New Orleans during the next Katrina.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 30, 2024 11:33 AM (Vfnvh)

159 Great post, Buckster! Government forcefully steals your wealth, takes their cut, and then gives it to those who waste it.

Posted by: Danimal28 at December 30, 2024 11:33 AM (1E4GV)

160 It's 2024. The little shit for brains should be learning from home, on-line, with their Game boys or whatever the little shit for brains play their games on nowadays. No need for school bus nonsense.

And don't give me that crap about "some kids don't have" bullshit.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at December 30, 2024 11:33 AM (lX1hk)

161 157 The Hill says these are Biden's five greatest accomplishments.

1. Navigating the pandemic
2. Bipartisan bills
3. Ketanji Brown Jackson
4. Student loans
5. The economy
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at December 30, 2024 11:33 AM (L/fGl)

Gotta be from the Bee

Posted by: It's me donna at December 30, 2024 11:34 AM (VE6XX)

162
The "talent" we import from the EU for creative jobs can be just as laughable.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 30, 2024 11:34 AM (n7rxJ)

163 Yeah, those are all problems. But... I'd point out that you're designing silent vehicles to serve the people most likely to play in the street, and least likely to pay attention to their surroundings.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 30, 2024 11:34 AM (BI5O2)

164 Launch successful, separation successful, second stage separation and burn successful. Payload faring separated successful.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 30, 2024 11:34 AM (Dng1D)

165 Female flight attendant who survived the Korean crash says smoke came from one of the engines before it exploded.

Catastrophic failure of the turbine with metal pieces penetrating the aft fuselage and damaging hydraulic lines was my comment here yesterday morning after waking up and seeing the video of the engine anomaly inflight. I'm going to stick with hydraulic system issues as being the cause of the attempted gear up-zero flaps/slats landing.

Posted by: one hour sober at December 30, 2024 11:35 AM (Y1sOo)

166 The answer to school buses, and environmentally friendly I might add, is canals. The little beggars show up at their appointed stops, climb aboard, and start rowing. Builds strong muscles, gives them a sense of purpose, and keeps them focused on the drum beat.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 30, 2024 11:36 AM (gm9Sb)

167 Electric school busses will really help New Orleans during the next Katrina.
Posted by: Anna Puma

Well, fire does tend to dry out wet.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 30, 2024 11:36 AM (/CGkw)

168 165 Female flight attendant who survived the Korean crash says smoke came from one of the engines before it exploded.

Could it have been a bird sucked into the engine ?

Posted by: It's me donna at December 30, 2024 11:36 AM (VE6XX)

169 The answer to school buses, and environmentally friendly I might add, is canals. The little beggars show up at their appointed stops, climb aboard, and start rowing. Builds strong muscles, gives them a sense of purpose, and keeps them focused on the drum beat.

RAMMING SPEED!!!

Posted by: Archimedes at December 30, 2024 11:36 AM (xCA6C)

170 156 Do Androids Drive Electric School Buses? was one of Philip K. Dick's least interesting novels.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls
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Don't think Optimus will be able to drive and at the moment it can only pick up 45 lbs but it can mix a drink or make a sandwich.
I'm buying one.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 30, 2024 11:37 AM (Dng1D)

171 Catastrophic failure of the turbine with metal pieces penetrating the aft fuselage and damaging hydraulic lines was my comment here yesterday morning after waking up and seeing the video of the engine anomaly inflight. I'm going to stick with hydraulic system issues as being the cause of the attempted gear up-zero flaps/slats landing.

Posted by: one hour sober at December 30, 2024 11:35 AM (Y1sOo)

That could be consistent with an engine ingesting a large bird, like a goose.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2024 11:37 AM (8zz6B)

172 I have no kids in school, but if I did and the district decided to go to battery busses I'd be seriously considering home schooling at that point.

For one, the busses are unreliable. So if I'm working full time, that's an issue. Two, battery vehicles have been demonstrated to be unsafe. Three, it's expensive to maintain and run these things.

I can't do anything about the school taxes imposed to support this shit, but I'd imagine the parents will see some sort of "fee" imposed for transporting their brats to and from the indoctrination centers... whether the busses run or not.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 30, 2024 11:37 AM (Q4IgG)

173 Female flight attendant who survived the Korean crash says smoke came from one of the engines before it exploded.

Catastrophic failure of the turbine with metal pieces penetrating the aft fuselage and damaging hydraulic lines was my comment here yesterday morning after waking up and seeing the video of the engine anomaly inflight. I'm going to stick with hydraulic system issues as being the cause of the attempted gear up-zero flaps/slats landing.

Posted by: one hour sober

Supposed bird strike cause the engine issue.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 30, 2024 11:37 AM (/CGkw)

174 Why is it easier for the left to climb Everest without oxygen than anticipate downstream effects from their bright ideas?

Posted by: Piper at December 30, 2024 11:37 AM (pZEOD)

175 The answer to school buses, and environmentally friendly I might add, is canals. The little beggars show up at their appointed stops, climb aboard, and start rowing. Builds strong muscles, gives them a sense of purpose, and keeps them focused on the drum beat.

RAMMING SPEED!!!
Posted by: Archimedes

Row well and live!

Posted by: Tonypete at December 30, 2024 11:38 AM (WXNFJ)

176 >>Could it have been a bird sucked into the engine ?

That would certainly be one cause of a catastrophic turbine failure.

Posted by: one hour sober at December 30, 2024 11:38 AM (Y1sOo)

177 168 165 Female flight attendant who survived the Korean crash says smoke came from one of the engines before it exploded.

Could it have been a bird sucked into the engine ?
Posted by: It's me donna
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That plane slid down the runway on those big engines the whole way, no such thing as a belly landing.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 30, 2024 11:38 AM (Dng1D)

178 The Ohio State University Pours Millions Into DEI, Hosts Federally-Funded ‘Nonbinary’ Rock Climbing Program

.. of course, all rocks are nonbinary as they don't reproduce
Posted by: SMOD at December 30, 2024 11:32 AM (RHGPo)

And the state wants to make it a felony if an opposing team plants their flag at mid field after beating Ohio State's ass in football.

Priorities, people. PRIORITIES.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2024 11:39 AM (+sD5M)

179 I never lived close enough to my school to walk.

Though one time I walked home from school anyway, because I wanted to stop at a store to buy something.

Over 6 miles up and down hills with poor visibility for oncoming traffic, and across a US Highway.

Including time spent at the store, it took 2 hours.

Posted by: XTC at December 30, 2024 11:39 AM (UnA8+)

180 Seoul sits on a big river, they could have saved some if they’d have put down in that, like Sully. At least it wouldn’t have burned.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 30, 2024 11:39 AM (wyMQY)

181 consistent with an engine ingesting a large bird, like a goose.

Don't look at us.
- penguins

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at December 30, 2024 11:39 AM (3xAmh)

182 These crooks need to be given 3 hots and a cot for the rest of their miserable lives.

Posted by: setnaffa at December 30, 2024 11:39 AM (dKSNq)

183 118
‘ The difference between us and the left is that we can discuss and debate, and reach a compromise which actually makes sense and solves multiple problems’

Underrated comment right here. Since our side has such a variety of views at the top, it is very important to focus first on what we agree and to discuss and compromise when we don’t.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 30, 2024 11:39 AM (jbnUc)

184 I pity the school system that falls for this BS when the subsidies end and they quit making parts.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 30, 2024 11:40 AM (W/lyH)

185 1. Navigating the pandemic
2. Bipartisan bills
3. Ketanji Brown Jackson
4. Student loans
5. The economy
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at December 30, 2024 11:33 AM (L/fGl)

The media is the enemy of the people.

It really can't be said enough.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2024 11:40 AM (+sD5M)

186 Dad laughs, "Works for me, welcome aboard."
Posted by: Tim the Enchanter

The kids can be pretty funny. Spouse had one kid in kindergarten who was already reading all the signs: "No passing zone" or " 40 miles per hour. per hours" Another kid knew facts about everthing
As was probably going to be a game show host. Then there was a snot of kid who said, "My dad says a monkey could drive a bus"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 30, 2024 11:40 AM (1pO7i)

187 Damn Frostbacks!

PeterSweden@PeterSweden7
BREAKING: The Church of Sweden is CLOSING 7 churches from the middle ages to meet climate goals.
The old churches are being heated with oil and are poorly isolated [insulated?].
The church is now engaging in climate lockdowns.
You can't make this up.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at December 30, 2024 11:40 AM (L/fGl)

188 Biden's greatest accomplishments might be offshore accounts, staying at billionaire homes rent free, whole family world travel and unreported gifts.

That's just a quick, top of head, truth to power summary.

Posted by: L - Hook him, book him, cook him. Now! at December 30, 2024 11:40 AM (NFX2v)

189 NYPost:

On Sunday morning, the commercial plane skidded off the runway, crashed into a wall and burst into flames while landing at Muan International Airport – killing all but two of its 181 passengers.

.. skidded off the runway ??
It was landing with no landing gear deployed. It was one big skid.

Posted by: SMOD at December 30, 2024 11:41 AM (RHGPo)

190 Korean crash:

The pilot appeared to have done a great job landing the plane. There was nothing he could do about the goofy-ass concrete wall, though. That's what caused the deaths.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at December 30, 2024 11:41 AM (paSBy)

191 The media is the enemy of the people.

It really can't be said enough.
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All media is a protection-extortion racket.

Posted by: pudinhead at December 30, 2024 11:41 AM (jFCkp)

192 There's a "mid-morning" rant that's almost at 200.

This place is en feugo.

Hit that fucking tip jar so ace can get laid.

Posted by: eleven at December 30, 2024 11:41 AM (iziT8)

193 Cartographic willowing:

The Latin legend at the top of Vermeer's map says that it is all of Holland and West Frisia.

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at December 30, 2024 11:41 AM (zdLoL)

194 The Ohio State University Pours Millions Into DEI, Hosts Federally-Funded ‘Nonbinary’ Rock Climbing Program

.. of course, all rocks are nonbinary as they don't reproduce
Posted by: SMOD at December 30, 2024 11:32 AM (RHGPo)

Sounds boring. I doubt those rock climb very fast.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 30, 2024 11:42 AM (W/lyH)

195 193 Cartographic willowing:

The Latin legend at the top of Vermeer's map says that it is all of Holland and West Frisia.
Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at December 30, 2024 11:41 AM (zdLoL)

West Frisia sucks.

Posted by: East Frisian at December 30, 2024 11:42 AM (zMwmR)

196 I saw Into the Engine open for Into Zee Oven at Auschwitz in '44.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2024 11:42 AM (+sD5M)

197 153 The Ohio State University Pours Millions Into DEI, Hosts Federally-Funded ‘Nonbinary’ Rock Climbing Program
____

OSU isn't supposed to follow the fads that the school up North follows. Be better, buckeyes.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 30, 2024 11:42 AM (fs1hN)

198 Sweden is asshoe.

Posted by: eleven at December 30, 2024 11:42 AM (iziT8)

199 Female flight attendant who survived the Korean crash says smoke came from one of the engines before it exploded.

Could it have been a bird sucked into the engine ?

Posted by: It's me donna

I saw video of the engine malfunction at it sure looked like a bird strike.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 30, 2024 11:43 AM (lTGtQ)

200 MN PCA is using a large chunk of the Volkswagen settlement for electric school busses at $375k each. The grant applications use all the bs words (and scoring) like Environmental Justice and Vulnerable Population Areas.

Posted by: scampydog at December 30, 2024 11:43 AM (2bFN5)

201 And the state wants to make it a felony if an opposing team plants their flag at mid field after beating
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Rule should be automatic forfeit of the game. No appeal. Flag planting will never happen again. Ever.

Posted by: It is a self hating leftist construct isn't it? at December 30, 2024 11:43 AM (YnLVJ)

202 173 Supposed bird strike cause the engine issue.

*whistles innocently*

Posted by: putin at December 30, 2024 11:44 AM (v3pYe)

203 .. skidded off the runway ??
It was landing with no landing gear deployed. It was one big skid.
Posted by: SMOD

Who knew Aluminum and asphalt were so slick?

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 30, 2024 11:44 AM (/CGkw)

204 The pilot appeared to have done a great job landing the plane. There was nothing he could do about the goofy-ass concrete wall, though. That's what caused the deaths.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at December 30, 2024 11:41 AM (paSBy)

Not so great part: he touched down halfway down the runway, guaranteeing a biga bada boom at the end.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 30, 2024 11:44 AM (wyMQY)

205 all rocks are nonbinary as they don't reproduce

Sounds as if you've been out with THE Ohio State 'co-eds.'

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at December 30, 2024 11:44 AM (zdLoL)

206 It was the right CFM-56 engine that had that anomalous 'poof' of debris. IIRC it is the right engine that provides air to the passenger cabin.

Each engine drives a separate hydraulic system. There is also a third backup.

In case it all goes south, the flight crew can pull three lanyards on the floor behind them that will cause the landing gear to gravity fall into position and lock.

From 'poof' to crash the time frame was only seven minutes. Either it got serious really quickly or the flight crew tossed all reasoning to the wind to get on the ground.

Ands then we got to see a 737-800 with no gear, slats, spoilers, or flaps float long down the runway because of 'ground effect' and right into a mound that mounted the ILS antennas.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 30, 2024 11:44 AM (Vfnvh)

207
Who knew Aluminum and asphalt were so slick?
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 30, 2024 11:44 AM (/CGkw)

It must've had that new polymer on it that Clark Griswold used on his sled.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2024 11:44 AM (+sD5M)

208 The kids can be pretty funny.

-
We had our seven year old grandson over Saturday night. He is big into dinosaurs. He says the problem with dinosaurs is they have no eyebrows so you can't tell what they're feeling. He's a budding dinosaur psychologist.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at December 30, 2024 11:45 AM (L/fGl)

209 Not so great part: he touched down halfway down the runway, guaranteeing a biga bada boom at the end.
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Better to land in a plowed field.

Posted by: pudinhead at December 30, 2024 11:45 AM (jFCkp)

210 >>1. Navigating the pandemic
2. Bipartisan bills
3. Ketanji Brown Jackson
4. Student loans
5. The economy

1. It was over, already and we were briefly headed toward recovery.
2. Susan Collins and Mitt Romney aren't Republicans
3. She Dumb.
4. Supreme Court should seek and Injunction for this one.
5. Non-Transitory Inflation = Bidenomics!

Posted by: garrett at December 30, 2024 11:45 AM (j6KoD)

211 Once the plane is on the ground and sliding, the pilot is just another passenger.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2024 11:45 AM (8zz6B)

212 182 These crooks need to be given 3 hots and a cot for the rest of their miserable lives.
Posted by: setnaffa at December 30, 2024 11:39 AM (dKSNq)

Why even that much?

Punishment is supposed to be torture.

Posted by: XTC at December 30, 2024 11:45 AM (UnA8+)

213 Ketanji Brown Jackson

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KXAA44gA1EA

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at December 30, 2024 11:45 AM (3xAmh)

214
Russia and Chynah signed a best friends forever no take backs treaty, so Siberia will always be Soviet er… Russian.

Posted by: Auspex at December 30, 2024 11:45 AM (fMPEh)

215 MN PCA is using a large chunk of the Volkswagen settlement for electric school busses at $375k each. The grant applications use all the bs words (and scoring) like Environmental Justice and Vulnerable Population Areas.
Posted by: scampydog at December 30, 2024 11:43 AM (2bFN5)

Speaking of, the new VW van is hideous.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2024 11:45 AM (+sD5M)

216 The Latin legend at the top of Vermeer's map says that it is all of Holland and West Frisia.
Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at December 30, 2024 11:41 AM (zdLoL)

West Frisia sucks.
Posted by: East Frisian
====
East Frisian women are filthy whores.

Posted by: West Frisian Women's Auxiliary at December 30, 2024 11:45 AM (YnLVJ)

217 I saw video of the engine malfunction at it sure looked like a bird strike.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 30, 2024 11:43 AM (lTGtQ)

It's hard to swallow.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 30, 2024 11:46 AM (mS4AV)

218 Video of the Korean crash shows that the flaps and landing gear were both up at the time it met the runway. Not sure how a plane stops from 150 mph with no flaps or tire braking. The plane just skidded down the runway and into a berm.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 30, 2024 11:46 AM (lTGtQ)

219 The president reportedly argues he could have still defeated Trump if he would have stayed in the race and ignored calls for him to step aside.

... of course, it was George Clooney's fault

Posted by: SMOD at December 30, 2024 11:46 AM (RHGPo)

220 I saw video of the engine malfunction at it sure looked like a bird strike.

If bird strikes can do that, then we should prepare for stories of drone strikes.

Posted by: t-bird at December 30, 2024 11:46 AM (l5F6b)

221 Thru the 90s up until about 2004, Bluebird was one of my biggest customers. They have been bought and sold several times since then

They were a family owned company for many years and their origon is a amazing story. My dad worked there for a while and said that a summer in the factory convinced him he didnt want to do that anymore.

Bluebird also made the Wanderlodges, but they don't do that anymore.

Posted by: fd at December 30, 2024 11:47 AM (eM+rk)

222 "East Frisian women are filthy whores."

Everyone knows that.

Posted by: eleven at December 30, 2024 11:47 AM (iziT8)

223 Once the plane is on the ground and sliding, the pilot is just another passenger.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Confucius was a smart dude.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 30, 2024 11:47 AM (/CGkw)

224 You’d think they would’ve come up with some way to keep birds out of plane engines by now. Can’t they put some kind of screen or shield over them?

Posted by: Bulg at December 30, 2024 11:47 AM (v6JzV)

225 MN PCA is using a large chunk of the Volkswagen settlement for electric school busses at $375k each. The grant applications use all the bs words (and scoring) like Environmental Justice and Vulnerable Population Areas.
Posted by: scampydog

So an electric school bus is only three times the cost of a conventional one, has a lower range, and cannot be used during part of the school year. Sounds brilliant.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 30, 2024 11:47 AM (lTGtQ)

226 all rocks are nonbinary as they don't reproduce

Sounds as if you've been out with THE Ohio State 'co-eds.'
Posted by: Way,Way Downriver

Um. . . . you must have missed the Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights at The Oar House and Papa Joe's back in the early 70's.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 30, 2024 11:48 AM (WXNFJ)

227
Confucius was a smart dude.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 30, 2024 11:47 AM (/CGkw)

He who piss in wind get wet feet.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2024 11:48 AM (+sD5M)

228 Biden's greatest accomplishments might be offshore accounts, staying at billionaire homes rent free, whole family world travel and unreported gifts.

That's just a quick, top of head, truth to power summary.
--------
You can add tax evasion too.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 30, 2024 11:48 AM (Q4IgG)

229 I repeat - he should have tried for the river, which was not far.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 30, 2024 11:48 AM (wyMQY)

230
I pity the school system that falls for this BS when the subsidies end and they quit making parts.
Posted by: Diogenes

===============

Creative solutions welcome. Convert them to taco stands?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 30, 2024 11:48 AM (n7rxJ)

231 It can be lunch time
Paying off the Cultural Marxists and their Global warming BS

Posted by: Skip at December 30, 2024 11:48 AM (y0Qc4)

232 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at December

IThat's cute. I will probably not live to see grandchildren so I enjoy the stories of others who have them,

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 30, 2024 11:48 AM (lrxyH)

233 I saw video of the engine malfunction at it sure looked like a bird strike.

If bird strikes can do that, then we should prepare for stories of drone strikes.
Posted by: t-bird

You had better. Because if feathers and bones can explode a jet engine, just think what a chunk of metal and lithium batteries could do.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 30, 2024 11:49 AM (/CGkw)

234 I still personally blame Elon for the EV insanity we face now. Without him, it would never have happened.

Posted by: Defenestratus at December 30, 2024 11:14 AM

Yep. Same here. How many thousands of American engineers did he cost their jobs due to the EV transition where the US government forced American auto companies to pay Tesla for "carbon credits". How many millions/billions of American taxpayer money went to Tesla in subsidies. Musk took complete advantage of the "climate change" scam for his own benefit and the detriment of everyone else.

Because of the EV push, thousands of Americans lost their jobs due to the "EV transition" at American automakers. And those American automakers are now worse off as they have been outsourcing jobs to BCC (Best Cost Country) "engineers", who in my experience are low-skill, low-experience, low-efficiency, and little to no knowledge of auto manufacturing in general.

And despite that, Musk and Vivek are pushing for more foreigners to take American jobs.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 30, 2024 11:50 AM (P5BPp)

235 Ditching a jetliner?

Scully - success
Ethiopia airline - fail
MH370 - unknown

Not good odds.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 30, 2024 11:50 AM (Vfnvh)

236 224 Saw something on some kinda history channel where they showed Russian airplanes with intake screens due to poor field conditions. Lots of FOD on the ground.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 30, 2024 11:50 AM (gm9Sb)

237
I only root for U M football one game a year, per Michigan Territorial Legislature Pains an Penalties Act.

Posted by: Auspex at December 30, 2024 11:50 AM (zbs0v)

238 >>>Not so great part: he touched down halfway down the runway

I believe it to be a case of the crew not being aware of what the calculated approach and landing speeds are predicated upon. On any normal approach and landing, regardless of the flaps/slats setting, the calculated speeds for a given aircraft weight presumes the big, ol' high-drag item known as the landing gear is DOWN.

If the gear is NOT down at flaps/slats zero speed, you'll be coming in way too hot and float forever.

Training for zero flaps/slats landings are conducted routinely in the simulator, both during initial training for type and during every six month rechecks.

Zero flaps/slats landings with the gear UP is not part of the training syllabus.

Posted by: one hour sober at December 30, 2024 11:50 AM (Y1sOo)

239 >>And despite that, Musk and Vivek are pushing for more foreigners to take American jobs.

Are we still doing this retarded dance?

Posted by: garrett at December 30, 2024 11:51 AM (j6KoD)

240 232 Sounds like FenSon needs to get on the ball.

Posted by: Bulg at December 30, 2024 11:51 AM (v6JzV)

241 The MiG-29 has two sets of intakes because of rough field conditions.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 30, 2024 11:51 AM (Vfnvh)

242 I still personally blame Elon for the EV insanity we face now. Without him, it would never have happened.

Posted by: Defenestratus at December 30, 2024 11:14 AM

To be fair, Elon did advise that there isn't enough lithium on earth to convert all vehicles to battery.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2024 11:51 AM (+sD5M)

243 190 Korean crash:

The pilot appeared to have done a great job landing the plane. There was nothing he could do about the goofy-ass concrete wall, though. That's what caused the deaths.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis,
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Motorcycle buddy said, it's not the speed it's the impact.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 30, 2024 11:51 AM (Dng1D)

244 Zero flaps/slats landings with the gear UP is not part of the training syllabus.
Posted by: one hour sober at December 30, 2024 11:50 AM (Y1sOo)

I think you’ve got it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 30, 2024 11:52 AM (wyMQY)

245 233 If bird strikes can do that, then we should prepare for stories of drone strikes.
Posted by: t-bird

You had better. Because if feathers and bones can explode a jet engine, just think what a chunk of metal and lithium batteries could do.

out: barrage balloons
in: festive drone shows

Posted by: anachronda at December 30, 2024 11:52 AM (v3pYe)

246 In a July 2024 press release, Blue Bird proudly announced that it was receiving an $80 million grant from the Department of Energy to expand its electric school bus operations. The money comes from an appropriation under the Biden administration’s “$2 billion investment to convert long-standing automotive facilities to manufacturing electric vehicles and components, retain and expand good-paying manufacturing jobs, and bolster domestic supply chains.”
__________________________________

So, if I'm reading this right, it wasn't a bill passed constitutionally through Congress that magicked up these funds. It was an appropriation processed by non-elected, non-accountable political hacks staking out the DOE in the form of a grant. How is this legal?

Posted by: Orson at December 30, 2024 11:52 AM (dIske)

247 Guess my #206 was TL;DR...

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 30, 2024 11:52 AM (Vfnvh)

248 Training for zero flaps/slats landings are conducted routinely in the simulator, both during initial training for type and during every six month rechecks.

Zero flaps/slats landings with the gear UP is not part of the training syllabus.
Posted by: one hour sober

Clearly, I'm no pilot. If an airframe loses hydraulics, does it also loose thrust reversers? Or doesn't that even matter at that speed?

Posted by: Tonypete at December 30, 2024 11:52 AM (WXNFJ)

249 “Climate Goals”

Someone smarter than me pointed out, if a politician is talking about fine-tuning the weather a hundred years from now, you can rest assured they aren’t doing a fucking thing that actually needs to get done. It is axiomatic - these are con artists, and they need to go bye-bye

Posted by: Common Tater at December 30, 2024 11:53 AM (0OORa)

250 242 I still personally blame Elon for the EV insanity we face now. Without him, it would never have happened.

Posted by: Defenestratus
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Yep. Without him a lot of things wouldn't have happened.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 30, 2024 11:53 AM (Dng1D)

251 >>And despite that, Musk and Vivek are pushing for more foreigners to take American jobs.

Are we still doing this retarded dance?
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It's Deiter from sprockets. He's going to dance no matter what. Just don't touch his monkey. Strudel anyone??

Posted by: West Frisian Women's Auxiliary at December 30, 2024 11:53 AM (YnLVJ)

252 aw something on some kinda history channel where they showed Russian airplanes with intake screens due to poor field conditions. Lots of FOD on the ground.

Posted by: bill in arkansas

I have been on 737s and Tupolevs that landed on gravel runways. They normally install mesh screens on the engines to prevent rocks from getting in. I would think this would be a cheap fix for all planes, especially since the engines also power the hydraulics for everything else, like gear and flaps.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 30, 2024 11:53 AM (lTGtQ)

253 173
‘ Supposed bird strike cause the engine issue.’

I know turbines depend on air flow but it seems like a protective mesh cage could be devised that didn’t restrict airflow that much.
I assume the question was asked a long time ago and the answer was no.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 30, 2024 11:53 AM (jbnUc)

254 Saw something on some kinda history channel where they showed Russian airplanes with intake screens due to poor field conditions. Lots of FOD on the ground.
Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 30, 2024 11:50 AM (gm9Sb

Problem is, screens greatly restrict the airflow through the engine, reducing its power.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2024 11:53 AM (8zz6B)

255 Damn sexist jokes!

https://is.gd/7YHlS1

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Winter of Our Discontent at December 30, 2024 11:53 AM (L/fGl)

256 Posted by: Bulg at December 30, 2024 11:51 AM (v6JzV)

Well, I encourage him but he doesn't need.a nagging mom

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 30, 2024 11:54 AM (uhsuS)

257 242 To be fair, Elon did advise that there isn't enough lithium on earth to convert all vehicles to battery.

thus, his push to ship congolese lithium mining children to mars

Posted by: anachronda at December 30, 2024 11:54 AM (v3pYe)

258 "all rocks are nonbinary as they don't reproduce"

They can but it's a very very long quartzship.

Posted by: Mr and Mrs Rock at December 30, 2024 11:54 AM (A75H2)

259 So, if I'm reading this right, it wasn't a bill passed constitutionally through Congress that magicked up these funds. It was an appropriation processed by non-elected, non-accountable political hacks staking out the DOE in the form of a grant. How is this legal?
Posted by: Orson at December 30, 2024 11:52 AM (dIske)

Here’s a shocker, most everything is run that way these days.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 30, 2024 11:54 AM (wyMQY)

260 There are several interlocks to prevent thrust reversers from deploying in flight.

Primary is the Weight on Wheels switch. No weight on wheels, no deployment.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 30, 2024 11:54 AM (Vfnvh)

261 🚨STUDY: REDHEADS AREN'T JUST RARE — THEY'RE WIRED DIFFERENTLY

Oxford scientists confirm what 2% of the population already knew: redheads are built different.

Their MC1R gene doesn't just give them striking looks — it rewires their entire sensory system.

From higher pain tolerance to heightened pleasure sensitivity, the "ginger gene" is nature's performance enhancer.

They handle 25% more pain than others, and report a 41% higher rate of... satisfaction.

Maybe blondes don't have more fun after all.

Source: NY Post

Well, well, well. Lookee here.

Posted by: Piper at December 30, 2024 11:54 AM (pZEOD)

262 I never once took a bus while in school. None of my kids ever have either. It's kind of a weird thing for me. I know lots of kids do take the bus I just find it odd. I'm a weirdo I know.

Posted by: Its Go Time Donald at December 30, 2024 11:55 AM (8NohY)

263
It continues to amaze me that a fricking bird can take down a passenger jet. Put spikes around the fans?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 30, 2024 11:55 AM (n7rxJ)

264 >>thus, his push to ship congolese lithium mining children to mars

'I don't want the Fourth Planet from our son turned into a Racial Jungle!' - Joe Biden

Posted by: garrett at December 30, 2024 11:55 AM (j6KoD)

265 So an electric school bus is only three times the cost of a conventional one, has a lower range, and cannot be used during part of the school year. Sounds brilliant.
——

Well they also have higher operational costs, higher maintenance costs, and shorter operational life. So they have that going for them too.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable at December 30, 2024 11:55 AM (17s+e)

266 >>Oxford scientists confirm what 2% of the population already knew: redheads are built different.

Their MC1R gene doesn't just give them striking looks — it rewires their entire sensory system.

>>From higher pain tolerance to heightened pleasure sensitivity, the "ginger gene" is nature's performance enhancer.

Just don't leave them out in the sun...

or ask some of them to stop bleeding.

Posted by: garrett at December 30, 2024 11:56 AM (j6KoD)

267 And will destroy streets quicker than a diesel bus.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 30, 2024 11:56 AM (Vfnvh)

268 They handle 25% more pain than others, and report a 41% higher rate of... satisfaction.

Emhoff considering a new girlfriend.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2024 11:56 AM (+sD5M)

269 Bet they won't get 10 years of use out of a EV Bus.
5 hours use charged daily

Posted by: Skip at December 30, 2024 11:57 AM (y0Qc4)

270 242 To be fair, Elon did advise that there isn't enough lithium on earth to convert all vehicles to battery.

Or copper, or manganese, or cobalt. In fact, there isn't enough to convert a quarter.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 30, 2024 11:57 AM (lTGtQ)

271 What is the increased Mass of an Electric School Bus.

Now.

Cross reference that with the decreased mass of a standard vehicle due to CAFE Standards...

Posted by: garrett at December 30, 2024 11:57 AM (j6KoD)

272 thus, his push to ship congolese lithium mining children to mars
Posted by: anachronda at December 30, 2024 11:54 AM (v3pYe)

Child labor laws don't exist there.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2024 11:57 AM (+sD5M)

273 DC_Draino @DC_Draino

Think about this

If Trump won in 2020, he would’ve had a Democrat House and Senate

More impeachments, no Senate confirmations, no bills passed, and possibly the end of the MAGA movement as an effective political force

But now?

He has the House, Senate, Supreme Court, a popular vote mandate, and an entire country that wants to clean up our elections, close our borders, deport illegals, and hold corrupt politicians accountable

Sometimes I think it had to happen this way

Posted by: SMOD at December 30, 2024 11:58 AM (RHGPo)

274 If there wasn't a steel re-enforced concrete wall at the end of the runway many more people would have survived.

That was incredibly stupid.

You don't need a steel re-enforced concrete housing for fucking antennas.

They're just antennas.

Posted by: eleven at December 30, 2024 11:58 AM (iziT8)

275 The red head gene mutation also enables them to drain your vitals life forces in various ways.

Posted by: West Frisian Women's Auxiliary at December 30, 2024 11:58 AM (YnLVJ)

276 270 242 To be fair, Elon did advise that there isn't enough lithium on earth to convert all vehicles to battery.

Which is the end goal.. They don't want any cars.....

Posted by: It's me donna at December 30, 2024 11:58 AM (VE6XX)

277 MiG-29 has two sets of intakes

Bonus hole.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at December 30, 2024 11:58 AM (3xAmh)

278 You’d think they would’ve come up with some way to keep birds out of plane engines by now. Can’t they put some kind of screen or shield over them?
Posted by: Bulg

I don't know if you can put a strong enough screen over an engine that won't reduce air intake. Hitting a 30 lb bird at 180 miles an hour. I'm sure someone he can math the foot pounds of energy produced.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 30, 2024 11:58 AM (/CGkw)

279 How odd, I thought everyone understood that electric cars are a scam.

Posted by: Seems Legit at December 30, 2024 11:58 AM (jyAD3)

280 270 Or copper, or manganese, or cobalt. In fact, there isn't enough to convert a quarter.

if i had a nickel for every time i've been told i can't convert a quarter...

Posted by: anachronda at December 30, 2024 11:59 AM (v3pYe)

281 They handle 25% more pain than others, and report a 41% higher rate of... satisfaction.

Satisfaction with what?

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 30, 2024 11:59 AM (zMwmR)

282 Which is the end goal.. They don't want any cars.....
Posted by: It's me donna at December 30, 2024 11:58 AM (VE6XX)

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It's not about the cars, it's about controlling what we do.

Posted by: Seems Legit at December 30, 2024 11:59 AM (jyAD3)

283 MiG-29 has two sets of intakes

Bonus hole.
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism

Get all the flock.
Like a KFC Family Bucket - No Bird left Behind.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 30, 2024 11:59 AM (/CGkw)

284 and cannot be used during part of the school year.

A lot of the range and charging problems could be solved if each towed their own diesel-powered generator.

Posted by: t-bird at December 30, 2024 11:59 AM (l5F6b)

285 Bet they won't get 10 years of use out of a EV Bus.
5 hours use charged daily
Posted by: Skip at December 30, 2024 11:57 AM (y0Qc4)

Should use horse-drawn school buses. Work in all seasons. Stop and start easily. Move slowly, so inherently safe. If horses are in short supply, jackasses could be used; the supply is inexhaustible.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2024 12:00 PM (8zz6B)

286
Which is the end goal.. They don't want any cars.....
Posted by: It's me donna at December 30, 2024 11:58 AM (VE6XX)

Control. Over all else. Control.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2024 12:00 PM (+sD5M)

287 Sometimes I think it had to happen this way
==
*old one nods head*
No coincidence.

Posted by: Smokes pipe, has beard and funny hat at December 30, 2024 12:00 PM (YnLVJ)

288 From higher pain tolerance to heightened pleasure sensitivity, the "ginger gene" is nature's performance enhancer.

They handle 25% more pain than others, and report a 41% higher rate of... satisfaction.

Source: NY Post
Posted by: Piper

The 'one that got away' was a redhead. And completely deaf.

Snif. And Le Sigh.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 30, 2024 12:00 PM (WXNFJ)

289 A lot of the range and charging problems could be solved if each towed their own diesel-powered generator.
Posted by: t-bird at December 30, 2024 11:59 AM (l5F6b)

I believe they tried this concept on Top Gear once.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2024 12:00 PM (+sD5M)

290
From 'poof' to crash the time frame was only seven minutes. Either it got serious really quickly or the flight crew tossed all reasoning to the wind to get on the ground.

Posted by: Anna Puma

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"only" seven minutes? That seems like enough time to pull the lanyards you mentioned.

Info-packed post, thanks.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 30, 2024 12:00 PM (n7rxJ)

291 Easily fixed by raising the minimum salary significantly and adding a yearly cost for maintaining the H1B, making it materially more expensive to hire from overseas than domestically,” Musk wrote on X late Saturday in response to a thread claiming H1-B visas were being used to hire low-wage programmers and developers.

I wonder how my company, which fired a bunch of experienced native engineers to hire "once in a lifetime" foreigners who just graduated would feel about that.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 30, 2024 12:01 PM (ExV1e)

292 263 It amazes me that a fricking bird can take down a passenger jet. "The last thing the survivors remember was a scream of AFLAC".

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 30, 2024 12:01 PM (gm9Sb)

293 Anybody here seen my old friend Jimmy?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up over the hill
With Lenin, Stalin, and Mao...

Posted by: Dion DiMucci at December 30, 2024 12:01 PM (lX1hk)

294 Which is the end goal.. They don't want any cars.....
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So I guess flying cars are right out then???

Posted by: Smokes pipe, has beard and funny hat at December 30, 2024 12:01 PM (YnLVJ)

295 281 Satisfaction with what?
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls

Making your life interesting. 😈

Posted by: Piper at December 30, 2024 12:01 PM (pZEOD)

296 Blonde Morticia in a conversation about this other day I remember a F-15 bird strike on the canopy that the bird all but went through. A bird hitting at 400mph is going to go through even a grill if you could pit that over a jet engine.

Posted by: Skip at December 30, 2024 12:01 PM (y0Qc4)

297 Bet they won't get 10 years of use out of a EV Bus.
5 hours use charged daily
Posted by: Skip

Then 2.5 months were they are not touched.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 30, 2024 12:01 PM (/CGkw)

298 We need common sense bird strike control, NOW.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2024 12:02 PM (+sD5M)

299 A lot of the range and charging problems could be solved if each towed their own diesel-powered generator.
Posted by: t-bird
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Company has built some charging station enclosed structures. Yep, space and layout for a diesel-powered generator.

Posted by: scampydog at December 30, 2024 12:02 PM (2bFN5)

300 Church of Global Warming is the end goal

Posted by: Skip at December 30, 2024 12:02 PM (y0Qc4)

301 270 242 To be fair, Elon did advise that there isn't enough lithium on earth to convert all vehicles to battery.
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He's also said that the battery vehicle will not replace the petroleum powered vehicle.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 30, 2024 12:02 PM (Dng1D)

302 Blond Morticia

I was summarizing this 15 minute video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzmptA6s-1g

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 30, 2024 12:03 PM (Vfnvh)

303 Life is always more interesting with redheads. Sometimes, even in a good way.

Posted by: Bulg at December 30, 2024 12:03 PM (v6JzV)

304 He's also said that the battery vehicle will not replace the petroleum powered vehicle.
Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 30, 2024 12:02 PM (Dng1D)

Correct.

If you want a better fuel, find one. Don't replace the existing till you do. Anything else is suicide.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2024 12:03 PM (+sD5M)

305 A lot of the range and charging problems could be solved if each towed their own diesel-powered generator.
Posted by: t-bird at December 30, 2024 11:59 AM (l5F6b)

I believe they tried this concept on Top Gear once.
Posted by: Sponge

I know! You you put a tank on the bus to carry the fuel, and you could use the battery to start the motor to charge the battery!

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 30, 2024 12:04 PM (/CGkw)

306 " There was nothing he could do about the goofy-ass concrete wall, though. That's what caused the deaths."

The earthen berm was what stopped the plane. It might have blown right through the concrete (block?) wall.

The landed very late, far past the normal touch down area ... some question about whether they could have gotten gear down ... and we don't know what control they had. Seems they had at least some hydraulics.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 30, 2024 12:04 PM (Cus5s)

307
You don't need a steel re-enforced concrete housing for fucking antennas.

They're just antennas.
Posted by: eleven

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What do the antennas do? If they're vital for air traffic control, I can kind of see protecting them (although I'm aware there are backup systems...)

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 30, 2024 12:04 PM (n7rxJ)

308 I don't care if the people want to spend 100k on a car for its looks but kiss my ass if you think you're virtue signaling to me. I want to travel 400 miles without stopping. I don't want to find a special way to power my car. And I don't want to wait more than 5 minutes to do it.

Posted by: Seems Legit at December 30, 2024 12:04 PM (jyAD3)

309 "only" seven minutes? That seems like enough time to pull the lanyards you mentioned.

Info-packed post, thanks.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 30, 2024 12:00 PM (n7rxJ)

If only one engine was taken out, and the pilots still had control of the aircraft, one thinks the smart thing to do would be to circle, and burn off or jettison fuel, attempt to get the gear down manually before making a gear-up landing attempt.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 30, 2024 12:05 PM (8zz6B)

310 Airports I think do try and keep birds away, birds only fly so high and the danger is plane landing and take-off.

Posted by: Skip at December 30, 2024 12:05 PM (y0Qc4)

311 What do the antennas do? If they're vital for air traffic control, I can kind of see protecting them (although I'm aware there are backup systems...)
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 30, 2024 12:04 PM (n7rxJ)

Why TF do they need to be at the END of a RUNWAY?!?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2024 12:05 PM (+sD5M)

312 The Federally-funded EV racket better be on Trump's list of things to cancel. Vivek better have it on his list. Elon needs to stay out of this one.

Posted by: Gref at December 30, 2024 12:05 PM (aBgBM)

313 A lot of the range and charging problems could be solved if each towed their own diesel-powered generator.
Posted by: t-bird
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Company has built some charging station enclosed structures. Yep, space and layout for a diesel-powered generator.
Posted by: scampydog

Dear meth-heads,
There's 32 lb of copper in each charging station.
You're welcome.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 30, 2024 12:05 PM (/CGkw)

314 The redhead gene mutation means that you can spank em harder, but it also means, you HAVE to spank em harder....

Posted by: Smokes pipe, has beard and funny hat at December 30, 2024 12:05 PM (YnLVJ)

315 290
From 'poof' to crash the time frame was only seven minutes. Either it got serious really quickly or the flight crew tossed all reasoning to the wind to get on the ground.

Posted by: Anna Puma

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Thought those planes were able to fly with one engine.

Posted by: Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _ at December 30, 2024 12:05 PM (Dng1D)

316 You don't need a steel re-enforced concrete housing for fucking antennas.

They're just antennas.
Posted by: eleven

Normally, the lights and antennas are mounted on breakaway stands. For some reason, this airport had a berm and concrete bases.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 30, 2024 12:05 PM (lTGtQ)

317 "Elon did advise that there isn't enough lithium on earth to convert all vehicles to battery"

I don't think he said this. I think it made up BS.

First off, lithium is literally everywhere.

Second what he actually said was, as best as I can find :

"There is a massive amount of lithium on earth...there really is enough lithium in Nevada alone to electrify the entire U.S. fleet." on Nov 23.

Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 30, 2024 12:06 PM (QB+5g)

318 270 242 If Elon is sincere, he should keep on making Teslas (folks buy them) and announce a US plant making straight out knock offs of early 90s Nissan pickups.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 30, 2024 12:06 PM (gm9Sb)

319 Electric trucks are completely insane. An electric tractor trailer rig would cost twice as much as a conventional one, have 20% of its payload reduced to allow for the required battery pack, and have a best possible range one fourth of a diesel powered equivalent.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 30, 2024 11:24 AM

Great videos explaining the engineering of that here:

Does the Tesla Semi Make Any Sense? - Part I
https://bit.ly/4grh4dj

Does the Tesla Semi Make Sense? - Part II
https://bit.ly/3PnOqO9

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 30, 2024 12:06 PM (P5BPp)

320 Dear meth-heads,
There's 32 lb of copper in each charging station.
You're welcome.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 30, 2024 12:05 PM (/CGkw)

Just make sure you're floating in the air when you try to steal it. It's not the volts, but the amps that get you when you provide a ground.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2024 12:06 PM (+sD5M)

321
Blonde Morticia in a conversation about this other day I remember a F-15 bird strike on the canopy that the bird all but went through. A bird hitting at 400mph is going to go through even a grill if you could pit that over a jet engine.
Posted by: Skip

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Huh. Almost seems like the faster the jet, the more susceptible it is to a pack of feathers and hollow bones.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at December 30, 2024 12:06 PM (n7rxJ)

322 > From 'poof' to crash the time frame was only seven minutes. Either it got serious really quickly or the flight crew tossed all reasoning to the wind to get on the ground.
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Panic and/or poor training.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 30, 2024 12:06 PM (Q4IgG)

323 NOOD

Posted by: It's me donna at December 30, 2024 12:07 PM (VE6XX)

324 I don't think he said this. I think it made up BS.

First off, lithium is literally everywhere.

Second what he actually said was, as best as I can find :

"There is a massive amount of lithium on earth...there really is enough lithium in Nevada alone to electrify the entire U.S. fleet." on Nov 23.
Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 30, 2024 12:06 PM (QB+5g)

Are you suggesting that the internet LIED to me?!?

The HELLS you say......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2024 12:07 PM (+sD5M)

325 >>I think you’ve got it.

Retired commercial pilot, over 14,500 total military/commercial flight time with type ratings in six different aircraft, including the B737 (300/400/500).

I might know a thing or two.

Posted by: one hour sober at December 30, 2024 12:08 PM (Y1sOo)

326 Just make sure you're floating in the air when you try to steal it. It's not the volts, but the amps that get you when you provide a ground.
Posted by: Sponge

That's why you provide a sacrificial ground.

"Yo! Joey, c'mere!"

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at December 30, 2024 12:08 PM (/CGkw)

327 320
‘ Dear meth-heads,
There's 32 lb of copper in …’

‘Just make sure you're floating in the air when you try to steal it‘

Shhh

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 30, 2024 12:11 PM (jbnUc)

328 Are we still doing this retarded dance?
Posted by: garrett at December 30, 2024 11:51 AM (j6KoD)

Yes. We will continue to fnkc this chicken until we destroy any chance for success, and tarnish any accomplishments because no matter what victories made or promised, they say things that confuse and frighten us. Understanding is for people who might be willing to change their preconceptions.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 30, 2024 12:11 PM (D7oie)

329 1979, Leonard Nimoy and the coming ice age.

The beginning of the climate change scam.

https://tinyurl.com/bdhudekx

Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2024 12:12 PM (LkLld)

330 re Korea passenger aircraft crash - It's all speculation until the flight data and cockpit voice recorders are recovered and their data analyzed. Until then we may as well debate the root cause of the sinking of the Titanic.

Posted by: Gref at December 30, 2024 12:12 PM (aBgBM)

331 I wonder how much Blue Bird stock the Pelosies bought on 2022...

Posted by: Gunslinger at December 30, 2024 12:22 PM (R2gO3)

332
There's plenty of folly to go around, for example, demonstrating to the world that your military isn't all that by invading a smaller neighbor and getting stuck in a quagmire that reveals it's gaping deficiencies.

And this too is the story of America...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 30, 2024 12:23 PM (oZhjI)

333 "I might know a thing or two."

So you know about the redundant hydraulic systems and the electrical and manual backups and still think it was mechanical damage.

It is possible of course.

I'm going with pilot error, i.e. Panic.

Posted by: pawn, RIP Vic at December 30, 2024 12:23 PM (QB+5g)

334 West Frisia sucks.
-- East Frisian
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East Frisian women are filthy whores.
-- West Frisian Women's Auxiliary
====
"You took this...from a Frisian?
'Charleston' Heston, The Whore Lord 1965

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at December 30, 2024 12:23 PM (zdLoL)

335 Speaking of, the new VW van is hideous.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at December 30, 2024 11:45 AM

Good Engineering Explained review of that here:

VW ID Buzz Review - Exceptional Drive, Painful Interface

https://bit.ly/4iVruU2

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 30, 2024 12:25 PM (P5BPp)

336 45 How did he get 32 kids intoxicated?
Easy. A keg.

Look, who among us hasn't enjoyed a kegger on the school bus on the way home Friday afternoon?!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at December 30, 2024 12:39 PM (gfztU)

337 wait until 66 kids are fried.

Posted by: cmeat at December 30, 2024 01:10 PM (6+aIJ)

338 Short Blue Bird stock before January 20th.

Posted by: nraendowment at December 30, 2024 01:34 PM (+VGAq)

339 And here is something no one ever considers - what about innovation?

I mean, as long as blue bird is making money on inefficient and poorly built electric school buses, why bother trying to make them cheaper and better? What incentive is there? Why take a risk? Just keep producing the same crappy product at a profit.

Posted by: El Mariachi at December 30, 2024 02:04 PM (ARlwA)

340 I can still remember our School had two old White Motors School Buses and Big Gulug School Bus with the Engine in the rear and our Next Door Neighbor drove a School Bus Bus

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at December 30, 2024 04:34 PM (wGqjj)

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