Is Mike Johnson's Speakership in Danger?

Henry Rodgers at the Daily Caller suggests it might be.

Speaker of the House Mike Johnson is facing serious blowback from those in his own party for trying to push through a continuing resolution filled with unnecessary spending. Sources on Capitol Hill, including both lawmakers and their staff, told the Caller Johnson may have cost himself the Speaker's job with the poorly-received gambit right before Christmas.
"Mike Johnson spent a lot of time fundraising off of selfies with President Trump, and then betrayed him right before the inauguration. He'll have to answer for that in January," a senior House Republican staffer told the Caller.
The 1,574-page spending measure will receive votes from both Democrats and Republicans, but Johnson broke several promises in the process of putting forth the bill. Johnson said in September that he has "no intention of going back" to the "terrible tradition" of a Christmas omnibus.
A senior house aide told the Caller that House Republicans have lost trust in Johnson and that it will be hard to recover from.
"It's not a competence or leadership question for some folks now. It's a trust question. That's gonna be tough to come back from," the senior house aide said.
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Johnson also promised that the spending bill would be written by committee leaders in an open process and members would have at least 72 hours to read it before voting, but in reality, the new CR was negotiated behind closed doors by leadership.
"On every important issue this majority has faced, the Speaker has shown himself to be inapt and outsmarted by Biden and Schumer and is too easily willing to surrender," one House Republican lawmaker told the Caller.
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Kentucky Republican Rep. Thomas Massie was the first House Republican to say he would oppose Johnson's bid for Speaker, saying Wednesday: "I'll vote for somebody else." When asked who he would vote for instead he said: "I've got a few in mind. I'm not going to say yet."
"There's a cognitive disconnect among my colleagues who hated Speaker Johnson's CR, but still plan to vote for Speaker Johnson in 2 weeks. That 1557 page bill was a product of the swamp that uniparty Johnson was happy to facilitate. He couldn't understand why we didn't lap it up," Massie tweeted Thursday morning.

Ed Morrissey reports that Johnson has Trump's support.

IF.

Trump says that Johnson can "easily remain Speaker" "IF" he starts acting like a man and not the cringing weakling boy he seems to be.

If's a big word.

From Fox Digital:

President-elect Donald Trump told Fox News Digital that House Speaker Mike Johnson will "easily remain speaker" for the next Congress if he "acts decisively and tough" and eliminates "all of the traps being set by Democrats" in the spending package.
Fox News Digital spoke exclusively with the president-elect Thursday morning, just hours after the bipartisan deal to avoid a partial government shutdown was killed.
"Anybody that supports a bill that doesn't take care of the Democrat quicksand known as the debt ceiling should be primaried and disposed of as quickly as possible," Trump told Fox News Digital.

The liberal sellouts of the Republican Party are muttering in anger to themselves. Only their Democrat allies have the guts to complain on-the-record:

They were fine when Jack actually put a finger on the scale.
— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) December 19, 2024

Man who's never had a real job in his life but sucking at the governmentteat, owns 3 houses, and is a millionaire a couple times over SAYS WHAT? https://t.co/9PkwOnY3DP
— tree hugging s*ster 🎃 (@WelbornBeege) December 19, 2024

The Democrats are cursing the Republican base -- but you know that the Republican Quislings are even angrier.

The corporate cowards and Regime servants we call the GOPe need to understand and internalize the New Rules:

Yes, we all know that you can make your easy lives even easier by ducking every necessary fight and just giving in to Democrats on every tough vote.

But we didn't elect you so you can make your own lives easier.

We elected you to make our lives easier, and this requires that you make your lives harder much of the time.

If you're not up to this, we will vote you out of office. You are not important New Solomons we look to for wisdom. We are telling you our wisdom, and we expect you to implement that wisdom into positive policy.

We don't want your "wisdom," we don't want your "guidance." You are idiots. We only want you to take direction.

We don't want your "instincts," we don't want your "experience." Your instincts and experience are garbage. Your instincts and experience is why the Republic is on the edge of collapse and civil war.

You are not Ciceros. You are merely numbers. You are the stupid useless nobodies that were bland enough that we could put into office to implement our preferences.

If you're not willing to humble yourself and just be numbers for us, we will replace you with wiser people who will.

Posted by: Ace at 04:30 PM

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1 Does Mike Johnson have an actual speakership?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 19, 2024 04:30 PM (ExV1e)

2 I alerted the previous thread.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 19, 2024 04:31 PM (ExV1e)

3 And now I shall amuse myself.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 19, 2024 04:32 PM (ExV1e)

4 The new CR(spit) has been cut down to 116 pages apparently.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at December 19, 2024 04:32 PM (/U5Yz)

5 Let's see the new bill after this 'deal'. Thanks.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 19, 2024 04:32 PM (fs1hN)

6 Johnson is a mid-wit and everybody knew that when he was chosen. Nobody else who could get the votes was dumb enough to take the job.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at December 19, 2024 04:32 PM (wW8F+)

7 Until someone else arrives.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at December 19, 2024 04:32 PM (ExV1e)

8 We can only hope.

He's only good when forced to be.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at December 19, 2024 04:32 PM (N1DT3)

9
Who would want the job of speaker with this slim of a majority and the shitstorm that will no doubt be happening in the 2 years they have to get anything done?

Posted by: Frank Barone at December 19, 2024 04:32 PM (+oR7L)

10 Speaker of the House Mike Johnson is facing serious blowback from those in his own party for trying to push through a continuing resolution filled with unnecessary spending. Sources on Capitol Hill, including both lawmakers and their staff, told the Caller Johnson may have cost himself the Speaker's job with the poorly-received gambit right before Christmas.
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:: shrug ::

If he goes he goes. Not ideal, but manageable. There's always another one in the pipeline ready to go.

Merry Christmas, rubes.

Posted by: Your GOP Leadership at December 19, 2024 04:32 PM (HnUIn)

11 Also, Mike Johnson is a f*cking Poindexter looking pig shagging shit weasel.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at December 19, 2024 04:33 PM (/U5Yz)

12 We elected you to make our lives easier, and this requires that you make your lives harder much of the time.

If you're not up to this, we will vote you out of office. You are not important New Solomons we look to for wisdom. We are telling you our wisdom, and we expect you to implement that wisdom into positive policy.

We don't want your "wisdom," we don't want your "guidance." You are idiots. We only want you to take direction.

We don't want your "instincts," we don't want your "experience." Your instincts and experience are garbage. Your instincts and experience is why the Republic is on the edge of collapse and civil war.

You are not Ciceros. You are merely numbers. You are the stupid useless nobodies that were bland enough that we could put into office to implement our preferences.

If you're not willing to humble yourself and just be numbers for us, we will replace you with wiser people who will.

Acceptable answers are "how high?" and "may I have another?".

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2024 04:33 PM (xCA6C)

13 YOU ALL JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW COMPLICATED THIS WASHINGTON SPENDING STUFF IS!

Posted by: Jay in PA at December 19, 2024 04:33 PM (i7Q7S)

14 "It's not a competence or leadership question for some folks now. It's a trust question. That's gonna be tough to come back from," the senior house aide said.
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LOLWUT?

Who the hell *trusted* Johnson? Some had hopes that he'd play the game differently, but *trust?* Seriously? Who?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 19, 2024 04:33 PM (HnUIn)

15 So here we are again.

Posted by: NemoMeImpuneLacessit at December 19, 2024 04:34 PM (8uqoP)

16 The only thing that scared the GOPe was Musk's threat to fund primaries against them.

What has turned the GOP into controlled opposition is donor funding directing behavior. Even small dollar funds from conservatives who want tight borders and smaller government go through captured organizations like the RNC and the RSCC.

Your $50 donation doesn't mean squat to Mitch and his cronies using it to tell backbenchers to toe the line or lose all funding.

The only independent voices in the GOP caucus (like Rand Paul and MTG) are largely self-funded with donation apparati outside of the RNC.

Musk being full MAGA and backing it up with his funds from his personal fortune as the richest man on the planet? That's an alternate funding source that dwarfs anything the RSCC can throw at a weak incumbent in a primary.

Musk's money scares them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 19, 2024 04:34 PM (GBKbO)

17 Is Mike Johnson's Speakership in Danger?
______________

If he gets pushed out, will he then be "Speaker Emeritus?"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 04:34 PM (YqDXo)

18 The Democrats are cursing the Republican base -- but you know that the Republican Quislings are even angrier.
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What if I told you that they're all the same people?

This is like the Chevy S-10 vs. the GMC Sonoma. They're badge-engineered. No difference at all but the label.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 19, 2024 04:34 PM (HnUIn)

19 14 LOLWUT?

Who the hell *trusted* Johnson? Some had hopes that he'd play the game differently, but *trust?* Seriously? Who?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 19, 2024 04:33 PM (HnUIn)

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Posit:

Johnson is still better than McCarthy.

And Johnson sucks.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 19, 2024 04:35 PM (GBKbO)

20 Nothing will happen.

Posted by: The person who always thinks that at December 19, 2024 04:35 PM (DobEs)

21 We don't want your "instincts," we don't want your "experience." Your instincts and experience are garbage. Your instincts and experience is why the Republic is on the edge of collapse and civil war.
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If someone has spent an entire lifetime showing that their instincts are dull and their experience is a negative, that is good reason to not hire them for instincts or experience.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 19, 2024 04:35 PM (HnUIn)

22 20 Nothing will happen.
Posted by: The person who always thinks that at December 19, 2024 04:35 PM (DobEs)

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If only.

Then no bill would pass and the government would shut down.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 19, 2024 04:35 PM (GBKbO)

23 “IF” by Rudyard Kipling. Tribute to President Trump

https://tinyurl.com/bd5npwpa
2:01 minutes

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 19, 2024 04:35 PM (hovnC)

24 There's a new old sheriff in town, fucknuggets...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 19, 2024 04:36 PM (wtvvX)

25 republicans need to remember that giving the democrats what they want is the best way to get a favorable mention in the ny times

Posted by: gnats local 678 at December 19, 2024 04:36 PM (CWTWj)

26 You know all these shenanigans are getting to be just about enough to make me stop checking the box to donate $3 to them every time I pay $50 to re-register my registered car that is still the same car and i'm still the same me.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 19, 2024 04:36 PM (y/ZMQ)

27 Elon Musk snaps his fingers and we shut down the government? It’s unacceptable. We’re in office to serve the people we represent, not unelected billionaires.

When you've accomplished a literal millionth of the things he has, get back to me.

We need to reach an agreement that puts the American people first and keeps the government open.

You don't seem to understand the inherent contradiction in your words of slime.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2024 04:36 PM (xCA6C)

28 You are not Ciceros. You are merely numbers. You are the stupid useless nobodies that were bland enough that we could put into office to implement our preferences.
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Most of them don't think of themselves as Cicero. They think of themselves as reasonably powerful and in a great position to steal and implement their will as best they can within the context of everyone else doing the same thing.

And they're not wrong. That's what virtually all of them are.

They're petty, grasping pigs at a trough.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 19, 2024 04:37 PM (HnUIn)

29 If he dies he dies.

Posted by: Ivan Drago at December 19, 2024 04:37 PM (aD39U)

30 >>If's a big word.

Kipling thought so.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2024 04:37 PM (LkLld)

31 The Speaker is not elected by the people to do the people's business.

The Speaker is elected by the House to administer the graft.

Posted by: davidt at December 19, 2024 04:37 PM (i0F8b)

32 Shut it down, all the way, let's go bitches

ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight ?

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 19, 2024 04:37 PM (S+j2h)

33 Is Speaker Johnson a woofer or a tweeter?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 04:37 PM (YqDXo)

34 The new CR(spit) has been cut down to 116 pages apparently.
Posted by: Maj. Healey

That 1500 page thing was not a CR. It was an omnibus. They lied from the start.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 19, 2024 04:37 PM (IG4Id)

35 The Speaker is not elected by the people to do the people's business.

The Speaker is elected by the House to administer the graft.
Posted by: davidt at December 19, 2024 04:37 PM (i0F8b)
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Yup. Gotta keep the spice flowing.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 19, 2024 04:37 PM (HnUIn)

36 30 >>If's a big word.

Kipling thought so.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2024 04:37 PM (LkLld)

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Boots is a bigger word.

Boots—boots—boots—boots—movin' up and down again!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 19, 2024 04:37 PM (GBKbO)

37 If someone has spent an entire lifetime showing that their instincts are dull and their experience is a negative, that is good reason to not hire them for instincts or experience.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 19, 2024 04:35 PM (HnUIn)

If someone has spent an entire career showing that their instincts are to shiv me in the keister with a rusty spork and then tell me I owe him money for the privilege....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 19, 2024 04:38 PM (y/ZMQ)

38 Hey didn't Dana Loesh come out against Trump in 2016 with that BS National Review article? Yeah, ummm. I guess it's better to grift off of Trump than NR these days...

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at December 19, 2024 04:38 PM (TN5A0)

39 "Musk's money scares them."

yeah, he's just like hitler and nothing like soros.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at December 19, 2024 04:38 PM (CWTWj)

40 Elon Musk snaps his fingers and we shut down the government? It’s unacceptable. We’re in office to serve the people we represent, not unelected billionaires.
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Spare me the heaps of RHETORIC, you fucking losers!

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2024 04:39 PM (krQz2)

41 And so it continues.

Posted by: that other guy who always thinks it's continuing at December 19, 2024 04:39 PM (DgGvY)

42 If's a big word.

Kipling thought so.

We did it first, although that didn't work out so well for us.

Posted by: The Spartans at December 19, 2024 04:39 PM (xCA6C)

43 I bet Johnson cares about his speakership more than I do.

He'd have to.

He's just another egg in the omelet of life.

Posted by: Just Lily at December 19, 2024 04:40 PM (L0nJW)

44 They're made for walking.

Posted by: Nancy Sinatra at December 19, 2024 04:40 PM (DobEs)

45 How many more billions do we need to give farmers anyway?

Why are we supposed to think giving money to farmers is some moral gesture?

Posted by: Jay in PA at December 19, 2024 04:40 PM (i7Q7S)

46 And so it continues.
Posted by: that other guy who always thinks it's continuing at December 19, 2024 04:39 PM (DgGvY)
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in fairness, he's usually right...

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 19, 2024 04:40 PM (HnUIn)

47 Is Speaker Johnson a woofer or a tweeter?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

He's indisputably midrange.

Posted by: mikeski at December 19, 2024 04:41 PM (DgGvY)

48 34 The new CR(spit) has been cut down to 116 pages apparently.
Posted by: Maj. Healey

That 1500 page thing was not a CR. It was an omnibus. They lied from the start.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 19, 2024 04:37 PM (IG4Id)

Impressive. Cut it down again, it's easy if you try

Posted by: A dude in MI at December 19, 2024 04:41 PM (/6GbT)

49 Welcome to the middle...

Posted by: The person who always thinks the beginning is just ending at December 19, 2024 04:41 PM (DobEs)

50 The optics of the last few days are awful for Johnson. There he was with Trump at the Army/Navy game and then the next day he stabs Trump in the back with the horrific CR. He may look oh shucks meek but he is a sleazy creep.

Posted by: Decaf at December 19, 2024 04:41 PM (unUNN)

51 "On every important issue this majority has faced, the Speaker has shown himself to be inapt and outsmarted by Biden and Schumer and is too easily willing to surrender," one House Republican lawmaker told the Caller.
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Outsmarted by barely there Biden? That one's gotta sting.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 19, 2024 04:41 PM (fs1hN)

52 Trump run Bartertown

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 19, 2024 04:41 PM (NRiLJ)

53 How many more billions do we need to give farmers anyway?

Why are we supposed to think giving money to farmers is some moral gesture?

Posted by: Jay in PA at December 19, 2024 04:40 PM (i7Q7S)
________________

It's slightly better than funding the NEA, PBS, funding LGBT and DEI crap overseas as well as here, etc.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 04:42 PM (YqDXo)

54 The Speaker is elected by the House to administer the graft.
Posted by: davidt

The Ed Norton chair in Congress.

(Not the actor, the other Ed Norton. You know, the who kept the sewage flowing smoothly.)

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Peppermint Mocha! at December 19, 2024 04:42 PM (L/fGl)

55 Is this going to be Democrats’ narrative for the next four years? To callously ignore the MASSIVE amount of voters objecting to this garbage bill? To diminish the people by pretending it’s just one guy? They haven’t learned from their election loss.
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Pretense is about all the Democrats ever have to go on.

The biggest problem that a Democrat can tackle is message control.

That's what they can fix. Messages. That's what they are good at crafting. Messages.

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2024 04:42 PM (krQz2)

56 Johnson's quick turnaround on a new CR probably saves his bacon.

Posted by: blaster at December 19, 2024 04:42 PM (QfvaV)

57 Johnson faces a real dilemma now; if he insists on a much better deal and gets it, a lot of people are going to start asking questions about why he didn't hold out for that deal in the first place.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2024 04:42 PM (xCA6C)

58 He's made way too many unforced errors and almost immediately violated one of the "don't do this or be deposed" rules anyway.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 19, 2024 04:42 PM (RsS92)

59 Trump run Bartertown
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 19, 2024 04:41 PM (NRiLJ)
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We just want to get beyond the Thunderdome.

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2024 04:43 PM (krQz2)

60 "On every important issue this majority has faced, the Speaker has shown himself to be inapt and outsmarted by Biden and Schumer and is too easily willing to surrender," one House Republican lawmaker told the Caller.
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Outsmarted by barely there Biden? That one's gotta sting.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 19, 2024 04:41 PM (fs1hN)
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He got outfoxed by Hank Johnson.

Now go talk him down from that ledge.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 04:43 PM (YqDXo)

61 "On every important issue this majority has faced, the Speaker has shown himself to be inapt and outsmarted by Biden and Schumer and is too easily willing to surrender," one House Republican lawmaker told the Caller.
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LOL. C'mon, man. You know he wasn't "outsmarted." He wasn't "inapt."

He did his job, and did it with aplomb.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 19, 2024 04:43 PM (HnUIn)

62 59 Trump run Bartertown
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 19, 2024 04:41 PM (NRiLJ)
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We just want to get beyond the Thunderdome.
Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2024 04:43 PM (krQz2)

Two Men enter.....

Posted by: It's me donna at December 19, 2024 04:43 PM (VE6XX)

63 59 Trump run Bartertown
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 19, 2024 04:41 PM (NRiLJ)
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We just want to get beyond the Thunderdome.
Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2024 04:43 PM (krQz2)

Just don't go getting furious, huh?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 19, 2024 04:43 PM (y/ZMQ)

64 57 Johnson faces a real dilemma now; if he insists on a much better deal and gets it, a lot of people are going to start asking questions about why he didn't hold out for that deal in the first place.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2024 04:42 PM (xCA6C)

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It proved that he's a spineless bitch who can get pushed around and has no principles.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 19, 2024 04:43 PM (GBKbO)

65 >>The only thing that scared the GOPe was Musk's threat to fund primaries against them.
>>If you're not up to this, we will vote you out of office.
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The lasting power of incumbency suggests voters do no such thing with regularity. As noted elsewhere, voters hate Congress with passionate vituperation... except for their own Congress-grifter, of course. Primary challenges are the principal thing that the uniparty uses to get rid of non-compliant politicians, so that threat is somewhat real. However, the relationship between votes and policy is nebulous at best. "Evolving in office" is real and it's spectacular.

Posted by: electronic means at December 19, 2024 04:44 PM (WVQot)

66 I had always tried to defend Johnson before thins happened, but this was just too tone deaf and flat out stupid.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 19, 2024 04:44 PM (zQ3t+)

67 Well, the theory that Trump and Elon cooked this up for the big W at the expense of Johnson taking the L temporarily isn't disproved yet.

Though it feels like I belong in the bizarro world version of Dem Underground just typing this.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 19, 2024 04:45 PM (fs1hN)

68 Johnson faces a real dilemma now; if he insists on a much better deal and gets it, a lot of people are going to start asking questions about why he didn't hold out for that deal in the first place.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2024 04:42 PM (xCA6C)
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Mike (can I call you "Mike?" Never mind, I will anyway.) here's a pro tip: consult your colleagues BEFORE making or backing a proposal to avoid getting wrong-footed like this.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 04:45 PM (YqDXo)

69 And yes, Dana, that is going to be their narrative for a while at least, until they realize its not working. The key thing to remember is that the left only speaks to its base, they think everyone else is beneath them, so wrong not even worth addressing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 19, 2024 04:45 PM (RsS92)

70 I'd have used inept:

Inapt
Means not suitable or proper. For example, you might describe someone's remarks as inapt if they offend others.

Inept
Means lacking the necessary skill or ability. For example, you might describe someone's handling of a situation as inept if they worsen it.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2024 04:45 PM (xCA6C)

71 Hopefully

Posted by: Skip at December 19, 2024 04:45 PM (fwDg9)

72 Rep. Debbie Dingell
@RepDebDingell
Elon Musk snaps his fingers and we shut down the government? It’s unacceptable. We’re in office to serve the people we represent, not unelected billionaires.

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We have had President George Soros for the last sixteen years so what say you?

Posted by: Decaf at December 19, 2024 04:45 PM (unUNN)

73 pretty sure inapt isn't a word.

inept, sure. inept means not apt.

Unless Apple is selling hammocks now. I-Napt. I'd buy one.

Then again, i see no red squiggle. And red squiggle knows all.

Whatever.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 19, 2024 04:45 PM (y/ZMQ)

74 If we don't get the money out of the Deep State, and _actually_ eliminate a number of agencies, this crap will continue, because the Deep State has more leverage on the Representatives and Senators than we do.

Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 19, 2024 04:45 PM (3BnHt)

75 We need a Speaker who can actually communicate basic ideas through the press. A narrative breaker. The democrats have been running the same play for years and the defense is obvious.

Vance is generally pretty good at that but I haven't seen much of him in this debate. I would say that they're trying to stay out of it because they're not in power yet and don't want to get blamed for the shutdown, but Trump's been very vocal and they've already been blamed so . . .

Posted by: Xander Crews at December 19, 2024 04:45 PM (rEmVK)

76 How did they get a new bill overnight?

Posted by: Grammie's phone at December 19, 2024 04:46 PM (SfhV1)

77 I had always tried to defend Johnson before thins happened, but this was just too tone deaf and flat out stupid.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 19, 2024 04:44 PM (zQ3t+)
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Mike, in short, you gotta read the room.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 04:46 PM (YqDXo)

78 Biden just announced his final trip is to seek absolution for his entire scumbag life. He is planning to visit the Fake-Pope.

"Forgive me Father for I have sinned... have you got a comfortable seat, Father? I made a list...."

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 19, 2024 04:46 PM (NRiLJ)

79 If you're not willing to humble yourself and just be numbers for us, we will replace you with wiser people who will.

Posted by: Ace at 04:30 PM

Give 'em hell, Ace......

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at December 19, 2024 04:46 PM (QGaXH)

80 72 Rep. Debbie Dingell
@RepDebDingell
Elon Musk snaps his fingers and we shut down the government? It’s unacceptable. We’re in office to serve the people we represent, not unelected billionaires.

Jealous are we... get use to it Dingbat

Posted by: It's me donna at December 19, 2024 04:46 PM (VE6XX)

81 pretty sure inapt isn't a word.

It actually is.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2024 04:47 PM (xCA6C)

82 Johnson faces a real dilemma now; if he insists on a much better deal and gets it, a lot of people are going to start asking questions about why he didn't hold out for that deal in the first place.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2024 04:42 PM (xCA6C)
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Because he's a snake like the rest of them.

Sometimes a snake is unlucky enough to get caught being a snake.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 19, 2024 04:47 PM (HnUIn)

83 Is it just me, or does 12 hours seem like a very short time to write a 116 page bill?

Was this always the plan?

Posted by: Just Lily at December 19, 2024 04:47 PM (L0nJW)

84 65 The lasting power of incumbency suggests voters do no such thing with regularity. As noted elsewhere, voters hate Congress with passionate vituperation... except for their own Congress-grifter, of course. Primary challenges are the principal thing that the uniparty uses to get rid of non-compliant politicians, so that threat is somewhat real. However, the relationship between votes and policy is nebulous at best. "Evolving in office" is real and it's spectacular.
Posted by: electronic means

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There's a lot of apathy and inertia that keeps incumbents in power, but it's not a passive exercise.

The establishment controls state-level GOPs across the country, and they fortify primary elections in favor of their own candidates all the time. Ballot access, party funding, media access, these are things that the state-level GOP of, say, SC can control to benefit someone like Lindsay Graham and keep primary opponents, quality ones, down.

This is probably why Tom Davis never ran against Graham.

Musk's money, though? $10 million to a primary challenger in small market SC by late this year? That can impact things when combined with a Trump endorsement.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 19, 2024 04:47 PM (GBKbO)

85 How did they get a new bill overnight?
Posted by: Grammie's phone at December 19, 2024 04:46 PM (SfhV1)

at random pulled out and burned 1K pages ? voila!

Posted by: runner at December 19, 2024 04:47 PM (QTCRF)

86 Former Speakers are called Speaker Excreta.

Posted by: Lord Percy at December 19, 2024 04:47 PM (/cBnn)

87 You really have to be stupid as a politician on the GOP side to not realize that this is a time to go with the tide even if you care nothing about what the Trump wave is all about.

You really think the GOPe rump and the Dems will save you? That you can sneak 1700 pages of crap through forever?

Posted by: Oldcat at December 19, 2024 04:47 PM (n7h9X)

88 Here's what I don't get, why?
What was the payoff here? What were Republicans getting out of this deal?

How do they not understand that Trump won in a landslide, that if this was 40 years ago, Harris might have won only MN?

Trump didn't squeak out a victory between equal foes--he won against overwhelming odds, 98% negative media coverage, and the entire establishment of every major institution against him.
To say nothing of being outspent at least 3 to one.

But yeah, these weaklings are acting like it was close, that the public chose evenly between both parties--and not massively rejecting the Democrats.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 19, 2024 04:47 PM (8GCEq)

89 How many more billions do we need to give farmers anyway?Why are we supposed to think giving money to farmers is some moral gesture?

Posted by: Jay in PA at December 19, 2024 04:40 PM (i7Q7S)

Its a legit question. I rode back, once by accident when I traveled commercial, with a group of farmers just back from DC.

You'll never find a more entitled group. They feed us, after all. Or so they like to say.

So for those that hate any other Union - collective bargaining agreements and all - why do we cheer why Iowa puts ANF on their helmets ?

I tire of this or that group feeling free and frisky to demand concessions from another.

Posted by: Piss On Cavuto at December 19, 2024 04:47 PM (ciU4n)

90 Debbie Dingell? The only thing worse than a Hollywood Nepot is a DC Nepot.

Posted by: President Michael Higgins at December 19, 2024 04:47 PM (Wn+aV)

91 Anybody think it's possible Trump and company conspired with Johnson to put this crap together to smoke out GOPe people and troll Dems?

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 19, 2024 04:47 PM (DopAq)

92 Jawnson bettuh turn hisself 'round, or de next time he go home dey gone use him for gator bait, I gar-ahn-tee.

Posted by: Paco at December 19, 2024 04:47 PM (mADJX)

93 Rep. Debbie Dingell
@RepDebDingell
Elon Musk snaps his fingers and we shut down the government? It’s unacceptable. We’re in office to serve the people we represent, not unelected billionaires.

LoL, says the current occupier of the 'family seat'

Posted by: A dude in MI at December 19, 2024 04:48 PM (/6GbT)

94 It actually is.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2024 04:47 PM (xCA6C)

I have, however, decided that I shall live my life as if it weren't.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 19, 2024 04:48 PM (y/ZMQ)

95 I'd have used inept:

Inapt
Means not suitable or proper. For example, you might describe someone's remarks as inapt if they offend others.

Inept
Means lacking the necessary skill or ability. For example, you might describe someone's handling of a situation as inept if they worsen it.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2024 04:45 PM (xCA6C)
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Thank you. I debated making this same point.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 04:48 PM (YqDXo)

96 Vivek for Speaker Of The House!

Posted by: ShainS -- Vivek for Speaker Of The House! at December 19, 2024 04:48 PM (D15FX)

97 67 Well, the theory that Trump and Elon cooked this up for the big W at the expense of Johnson taking the L temporarily isn't disproved yet.

Though it feels like I belong in the bizarro world version of Dem Underground just typing this.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 19, 2024 04:45 PM (fs1hN)

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Occam's Razor:

Congress is corrupt, inept, and used to this pattern and decided to follow it.

Musk and Trump followed the conservative uproar and helped kill the bill's momentum.

Johnson is a corporate stooge who thinks he can get away with things because he's spent the last year as Speaker doing just that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 19, 2024 04:48 PM (GBKbO)

98 The only thing that scared the GOPe was Musk's threat to fund primaries against them.

Yeah, that is the only thing they really fear and that can be used against them: money. The speaker and the majority leader controls the purse strings and that's what gives them real power and leverage. Take that leverage away and what do they have, blackmail? What is anyone gonna blackmail another member of congress with that they aren't already doing themselves?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 19, 2024 04:48 PM (RsS92)

99 I hear the pay raise for Congress got scrapped.

Posted by: Ciampino - Talking of used speakers at December 19, 2024 04:48 PM (i0xsb)

100 That would be nepotist Debbie Dingell.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 19, 2024 04:48 PM (XTmTf)

101 >>I have, however, decided that I shall live my life as if it weren't.

Speak your truth.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2024 04:48 PM (LkLld)

102 “We don't want your "instincts," we don't want your "experience." Your instincts and experience are garbage. Your instincts and experience is why the Republic is on the edge of collapse and civil war.“

Hey that’s pretty good. Who wrote that?

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 19, 2024 04:48 PM (zQ3t+)

103 Anybody think it's possible Trump and company conspired with Johnson to put this crap together to smoke out GOPe people and troll Dems?

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 19, 2024 04:47 PM (DopAq)
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No. I think it was just garden-variety stupidity on Johnson's part.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 04:49 PM (YqDXo)

104 For the record Elon has publicly said old man Soros is senile and that his son is calling the shots.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 19, 2024 04:49 PM (wBaIH)

105 Vivek for Speaker Of The House!

Posted by: ShainS -- Vivek for Speaker Of The House! at December 19, 2024 04:48 PM (D15FX)
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He doesn't have a DOGE in this fight.

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2024 04:49 PM (krQz2)

106 I hear the pay raise for Congress got scrapped.
Posted by: Ciampino - Talking of used speakers at December 19, 2024 04:48 PM (i0xsb)

that would make Durbin really really mad !

Posted by: runner at December 19, 2024 04:49 PM (QTCRF)

107 100 That would be nepotist Debbie Dingell.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 19, 2024 04:48 PM (XTmTf)

inepotist?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 19, 2024 04:49 PM (y/ZMQ)

108 You'll never find a more entitled group. They feed us, after all. Or so they like to say.

So for those that hate any other Union - collective bargaining agreements and all - why do we cheer why Iowa puts ANF on their helmets ?

I tire of this or that group feeling free and frisky to demand concessions from another.
Posted by: Piss On Cavuto at December 19, 2024 04:47 PM (ciU4n)

Especially those that are Big Ethanol..LoLGF. stop burning food

Posted by: A dude in MI at December 19, 2024 04:49 PM (/6GbT)

109 Biden just announced his final trip is to seek absolution for his entire scumbag life. He is planning to visit the Fake-Pope.

"Forgive me Father for I have sinned... have you got a comfortable seat, Father? I made a list...."
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 19, 2024 04:46 PM (NRiLJ)

Better hope he doesn't go to those tribal graven images old Popey has around instead of actual churches.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 19, 2024 04:49 PM (n7h9X)

110 90 Debbie Dingell? The only thing worse than a Hollywood Nepot is a DC Nepot.
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Debbie is the worst!

Posted by: The Kringles of Sombertown at December 19, 2024 04:50 PM (fs1hN)

111 Yes, we all know that you can make your easy lives even easier by ducking every necessary fight and just giving in to Democrats on every tough vote.

But we didn't elect you so you can make your own lives easier.

We elected you to make our lives easier, and this requires that you make your lives harder much of the time.

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I wouldn't have any problems with their pay increase, even up to a $1M per year if they did the right thing and cut out all the waste of billions and billions. In fact it would be a very good deal. Now prove it that you are worth the pay raise.

Posted by: Decaf at December 19, 2024 04:50 PM (unUNN)

112 I'm glad John Boehner is gone, so now Real Conservative Paul Ryan is in.

I'm glad Paul Ryan is gone, so now Real Conservative Kevin McCarthy is in.

I'm glad Kevin McCarthy is gone, so now Real Conservative Mike Johnson is in.

Face it; Trump doesn't actually have an interest in cutting spending or reforming things himself, as ace has said. If anyone thinks he's outraged over this, they're idiots. Even if Johnson is replaced by someone, MAGA will love that person for five minutes then decide they're a traitor, just like the last three speakers.

Posted by: deadrody at December 19, 2024 04:50 PM (A5Oxy)

113 @RepDebDingell
Elon Musk snaps his fingers and we shut down the government? It’s unacceptable. We’re in office to serve the people we represent, not unelected billionaires. ...
Posted by: A dude in MI at December 19, 2024 04:48 PM (/6GbT)
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How many "foundations" associated with prog money men has Rep. Dingell *ever* received money from, directly or indirectly?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 19, 2024 04:50 PM (HnUIn)

114 88 Here's what I don't get, why?
What was the payoff here? What were Republicans getting out of this deal?

How do they not understand that Trump won in a landslide, that if this was 40 years ago, Harris might have won only MN?

Trump didn't squeak out a victory between equal foes--he won against overwhelming odds, 98% negative media coverage, and the entire establishment of every major institution against him.
To say nothing of being outspent at least 3 to one.

But yeah, these weaklings are acting like it was close, that the public chose evenly between both parties--and not massively rejecting the Democrats.
-_-_-_-_-

A reasonable person could look at the situation and surmise, "Blackmail."

Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 19, 2024 04:50 PM (3BnHt)

115 Shut down the federal government for the next 4 years. No one would miss them.

Posted by: Shut Them Down at December 19, 2024 04:50 PM (rqga2)

116
Monty Hall for Speaker

Posted by: Frank Barone at December 19, 2024 04:50 PM (+oR7L)

117 Fuck the Johnson guy.

I want a pissed off extreme right winger in the spot.

But where are they?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at December 19, 2024 04:50 PM (ufFY8)

118 Debbie Dingellberry?

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2024 04:50 PM (krQz2)

119 Anybody think it's possible Trump and company conspired with Johnson to put this crap together to smoke out GOPe people and troll Dems?

Nope. None of them are that smart or combative. Including Trump.

Posted by: Piss On Cavuto at December 19, 2024 04:51 PM (ciU4n)

120 For the record Elon has publicly said old man Soros is senile and that his son is calling the shots.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at December 19, 2024 04:49 PM (wBaIH)

Another skin suit. Better check the son to see if he's a lizard man from the center of the earth himself.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 19, 2024 04:51 PM (n7h9X)

121 My prog Dem congresscritter Pat Ryan came out against any bill with pay raises. I'm sure his announcement was timed to coincide with the bill going belly up

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 19, 2024 04:51 PM (DopAq)

122 The nice thing about the Democrats emerging message is it's a recycled message.
One that Harris thought was her best ad--"Trump is for billionaires, Harris is for the middle class."

That was in heavy rotation. Stuffed full of ominous black-and-white videos of Musk, against worried "middle class" people averring that Harris will deliver for them.

And it failed.
Badly.
Harris didn't win a single swing state that heard that lament thousands of times.
But yeah, recycle it--maybe it'll work this time.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 19, 2024 04:51 PM (8GCEq)

123 109 Biden just announced his final trip is to seek absolution for his entire scumbag life. He is planning to visit the Fake-Pope.

"Forgive me Father for I have sinned... have you got a comfortable seat, Father? I made a list...."
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 19, 2024 04:46 PM

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Sir, this is a Dutch Brothers drive thru......

Posted by: Frank Barone at December 19, 2024 04:51 PM (+oR7L)

124 I've been watching Massie during podcasts, hearings etc. He tore apart Jordan on reauthorizing the warrantless spying. The only exception was in regards to politicians. He said he was in the same meeting as Johnson after Johnson flipped on it. Massie said he saw nothing that convinced him to vote for it. I don't understand why he wouldn't seek the position.

Posted by: ryukyu at December 19, 2024 04:52 PM (z/gEl)

125 Backroom shady deals with hookers and blow in attendance - 0

American people - 1

Posted by: Maj. Healey at December 19, 2024 04:52 PM (/U5Yz)

126 82 Johnson faces a real dilemma now; if he insists on a much better deal and gets it, a lot of people are going to start asking questions about why he didn't hold out for that deal in the first place.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2024 04:42

Spot on. He's either in on the grift, or he's a hapless idiot. Either way, he's shown that he's not the right person for the job.

Posted by: Paco at December 19, 2024 04:52 PM (mADJX)

127 A reasonable person could look at the situation and surmise, "Blackmail."

No. As reasonable people begin to wonder why Trump waded in here to get something done ?

Yankee Boomer.

Posted by: Piss On Cavuto at December 19, 2024 04:52 PM (ciU4n)

128
Why do I suspect Everyone at Fox hates Cuck Cavuto?

Well, ever notice cuck cavuto is NEVER joked about on Gutfeld? That's how I can tell what they think about cavuto -- he has No Friends at Fox, I suspect.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 19, 2024 04:52 PM (jlY7Q)

129 Republicans are more afraid of losing their seats than Dems. Washington has tons of phoney baloney jobs for Lefties, but only a handful for Republicans and for those, of course, you have to be the house bitch. So Elon has them scared.

Posted by: Wally at December 19, 2024 04:52 PM (Wn+aV)

130 Here's what I don't get, why?
What was the payoff here? What were Republicans getting out of this deal?

How do they not understand that Trump won in a landslide, that if this was 40 years ago, Harris might have won only MN?

Trump didn't squeak out a victory between equal foes--he won against overwhelming odds, 98% negative media coverage, and the entire establishment of every major institution against him.
To say nothing of being outspent at least 3 to one.

But yeah, these weaklings are acting like it was close, that the public chose evenly between both parties--and not massively rejecting the Democrats.
-_-_-_-_-

A reasonable person could look at the situation and surmise, "Blackmail."
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 19, 2024 04:50 PM (3BnHt)
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It's cute that you still think the Republicans are so different from the Democrats.

Probably over HALF the seat-fillers in the Republican Party want exactly the same things Dems do.

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2024 04:52 PM (krQz2)

131 112 I'm glad John Boehner is gone, so now Real Conservative Paul Ryan is in.

I'm glad Paul Ryan is gone, so now Real Conservative Kevin McCarthy is in.

I'm glad Kevin McCarthy is gone, so now Real Conservative Mike Johnson is in.

Face it; Trump doesn't actually have an interest in cutting spending or reforming things himself, as ace has said. If anyone thinks he's outraged over this, they're idiots. Even if Johnson is replaced by someone, MAGA will love that person for five minutes then decide they're a traitor, just like the last three speakers.
Posted by: deadrody at December 19, 2024 04:50 PM (A5Oxy)

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Trump shut down the government for a month in his first term because he hated the CR Paul Ryan presented him.

It was mostly about border wall funding, but combine that with Trump's suggested spending bill which cut across the board (POTUS spending bills never get serious consideration in Congress), and the embrace of things like DOGE now, and maybe, just maybe, Trump has an interest in cutting things.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 19, 2024 04:52 PM (GBKbO)

132 Posit:

Johnson is still better than McCarthy.

And Johnson sucks.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 19, 2024 04:35 PM (GBKbO)

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How so if the result is the same?

Posted by: Decaf at December 19, 2024 04:52 PM (unUNN)

133 Anybody think it's possible Trump and company conspired with Johnson to put this crap together to smoke out GOPe people and troll Dems?

Nope. None of them are that smart or combative. Including Trump.
Posted by: Piss On Cavuto at December 19, 2024 04:51 PM (ciU4n)

If they had done that, the time to reveal it was when the 1700 pager came out, with the names of who each crap provision was written by.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 19, 2024 04:52 PM (n7h9X)

134 I wouldn't have any problems with their pay increase, even up to a $1M per year if they did the right thing and cut out all the waste of billions and billions. In fact it would be a very good deal. Now prove it that you are worth the pay raise.

I would be willing to raise their annual salary by $500k for every trillion they cut off the deficit, and another $500k for every trillion they reduce the debt.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2024 04:52 PM (xCA6C)

135 You really have to be stupid as a politician on the GOP side to not realize that this is a time to go with the tide even if you care nothing about what the Trump wave is all about.

You really think the GOPe rump and the Dems will save you? That you can sneak 1700 pages of crap through forever?
Posted by: Oldcat at December 19, 2024 04:47 PM (n7h9X)
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It's not about that.

It's about the *system* as such. Even if it costs them their lives, they will defend and work to advance their system. "Going with the tide" is the worst possible thing to do. "Going with the tide" means capitulating to not-them, to powers outside themselves, to a system that is not their own, run for them, by them and for their benefit. That is unthinkable. Unconscionable. Indefensble.

It's not about winning, it's about losing. *You* losing to *their* power.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 19, 2024 04:53 PM (HnUIn)

136 Monty Hall for Speaker
Posted by: Frank Barone at December 19, 2024 04:50 PM (+oR7L)

Chuck Barris, with his Gong.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at December 19, 2024 04:53 PM (VNX3d)

137 132 How so if the result is the same?
Posted by: Decaf at December 19, 2024 04:52 PM (unUNN)

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I don't think McCarthy would have backed down.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 19, 2024 04:53 PM (GBKbO)

138 How so if the result is the same?
Posted by: Decaf at December 19, 2024 04:52 PM (unUNN)

McCarthy is used up. so things are not quite the same.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 19, 2024 04:53 PM (n7h9X)

139 Regardless... publicly shame Johnson. Punish him in court of public opinion. Mercilessly. Like a little kid.

Then... punt him.

As a sign to the others that are sniffing that chair.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 19, 2024 04:54 PM (Q4IgG)

140 "On every important issue this majority has faced, the Speaker has shown himself to be inapt and outsmarted by Biden and Schumer and is too easily willing to surrender," one House Republican lawmaker told the Caller.
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LOL. C'mon, man. You know he wasn't "outsmarted." He wasn't "inapt."

He did his job, and did it with aplomb.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 19, 2024 04:43 PM (HnUIn)

A plumb? Look mate, it's gold, frankincense, and myrrh. And don't worry too much about the myrrh next time. All right? Besides, creeping around a cow shed at two o'clock in the morning doesn't sound very wise to me.

Posted by: Brian's Mother at December 19, 2024 04:54 PM (Aqu9a)

141 Willowed:

Think there was a Civil War case of a gal pretending to be male soldier getting pregnant.
Posted by: Oldcat at December 19, 2024 04:29 PM (n7h9X)
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And the legend of Pope Joan.

Posted by: Crusader at December 19, 2024 04:54 PM (TN0g+)

142 Vivek for Speaker. Break the fucking mold.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 19, 2024 04:54 PM (XTmTf)

143 >>No. I think it was just garden-variety stupidity on Johnson's part.

I think Johnson made a big mistake but I don't think it was entirely stupid. Johnson was trying to get a compromise deal, the old DC way. And being an old school Republican that meant largely caving to Democrats to get a deal.

From what I've seen so far this is an entirely Republican plan. Trumpian even. Because Trump doesn't negotiate like old school Republicans.

Jeffries has come out trashing this deal and it wouldn't surprise me if it fails to pass. Johnson was aiming for a bill that would pass. Trump doesn't give a shit. Not right now anyway.

Republicans in Congress are going to have to get used to a new sheriff in town.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2024 04:54 PM (LkLld)

144 I'm glad John Boehner is gone, so now Real Conservative Paul Ryan is in.

I'm glad Paul Ryan is gone, so now Real Conservative Kevin McCarthy is in.

I'm glad Kevin McCarthy is gone, so now Real Conservative Mike Johnson is in.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 19, 2024 04:52 PM (GBKbO)
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We've seen the last of good, King Richard
Ring out the past, his name lives on and on
Roll out the bones and raise up your pitcher
Raise up your glass to good King John
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Politics as it ever has been....

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2024 04:54 PM (krQz2)

145 Face it; Trump doesn't actually have an interest in cutting spending or reforming things himself, as ace has said. If anyone thinks he's outraged over this, they're idiots. Even if Johnson is replaced by someone, MAGA will love that person for five minutes then decide they're a traitor, just like the last three speakers.

By your logic, Lincoln didn't really want to win the Civil War, because he kept changing generals.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2024 04:54 PM (xCA6C)

146 As I mentioned the other day, it's not just the condescension that comes through it's the angry offense that we, the people of America, the citizens of the United States, dare--DARE--think we should have a say in how this country is run.

PS: Better one unelected billionaire on the side of Americans than a thousand elected Democrats who aren't.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 19, 2024 04:55 PM (8GCEq)

147 Yeah..hard to get the rep-dem thinking out. It's uni party all the way down.

Posted by: A dude in MI at December 19, 2024 04:55 PM (/6GbT)

148 Winning by losing is a fake narrative. The big move would have been to do the right thing out of the box instead of reinforcing what everyone thinks about Congressional republicans anyway.

Posted by: blaster at December 19, 2024 04:55 PM (QfvaV)

149 During live sessions, C-SPAN should have zombie Marlin Perkins and Jim Fowler do the narration of these creatures in their natural habitat.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at December 19, 2024 04:56 PM (VNX3d)

150 Johnson is still better than McCarthy.

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It's a long and winding road.

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2024 04:56 PM (krQz2)

151 "Going with the tide" means capitulating to not-them, to powers outside themselves, to a system that is not their own, run for them, by them and for their benefit. That is unthinkable. Unconscionable. Indefensble.

It's not about winning, it's about losing. *You* losing to *their* power.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 19, 2024 04:53 PM (HnUIn)

If you join their side then it is your power. Ask Talleyrand. That's politics.

You assume they really believe in something with religious fervor, even if its just stealing from the government. I don't give them that much credit for zealotry.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 19, 2024 04:56 PM (n7h9X)

152 ... but in reality, the new CR was negotiated behind closed doors by leadership.

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Written by K Street and negotiated by the scummy slimy treacherous law firm of Schumer, McConnell, Jeffries, & Johnson -- along with their many merry butt-boy staffers.

Posted by: ShainS -- Vivek for Speaker Of The House! at December 19, 2024 04:56 PM (D15FX)

153 Deep State keeps spending bills on file, it's easy to pop out the next 4,000 page ones if needed

Posted by: Skip at December 19, 2024 04:56 PM (fwDg9)

154 Debbie Dingell was an lobbyist who married John who was twenty seven years older than her. The Dingells have been in that seat since 1933. I wouldn't listen to her if she said today was Thursday

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 19, 2024 04:56 PM (DopAq)

155 Put Nancy Mace in a Vicky's Secret bra, and make her Speaker.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at December 19, 2024 04:56 PM (ufFY8)

156 A reasonable person could look at the situation and surmise, "Blackmail."
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 19, 2024 04:50 PM (3BnHt)
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It's cute that you still think the Republicans are so different from the Democrats.

Probably over HALF the seat-fillers in the Republican Party want exactly the same things Dems do.
-_-_-_-

So, they're all in it for money or just liars who don't believe the crap they say to get elected? Could be. Could be. People are like that. Sure have seen a bunch of them that seemed completely straight until they were shown "information that made them change their position", but maybe that ain't it.

Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 19, 2024 04:56 PM (3BnHt)

157 99 I hear the pay raise for Congress got scrapped. - Ciampino

Eyepatch McCain hissy fit sighted, brace for impact.

Posted by: Paco at December 19, 2024 04:56 PM (mADJX)

158 I think Johnson made a big mistake but I don't think it was entirely stupid. Johnson was trying to get a compromise deal, the old DC way. And being an old school Republican that meant largely caving to Democrats to get a deal.

From what I've seen so far this is an entirely Republican plan. Trumpian even. Because Trump doesn't negotiate like old school Republicans.

Jeffries has come out trashing this deal and it wouldn't surprise me if it fails to pass. Johnson was aiming for a bill that would pass. Trump doesn't give a shit. Not right now anyway.

Republicans in Congress are going to have to get used to a new sheriff in town.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2024 04:54 PM (LkLld)

I think this does pass...on a totally party line vote. Elon spoke.

Posted by: Nova Local at December 19, 2024 04:56 PM (exHjb)

159 Face it; Trump doesn't actually have an interest in cutting spending or reforming things himself, as ace has said. If anyone thinks he's outraged over this, they're idiots. Even if Johnson is replaced by someone, MAGA will love that person for five minutes then decide they're a traitor, just like the last three speakers.
Posted by: deadrody at December 19, 2024 04:50 PM (A5Oxy)
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Trump is not a fiscal discipline guy. Never has been.

But the two issues are slightly distinct from each other.

I'll happily acknowledge that the Speaker isn't a shit heel the moment the Speaker demonstrates that he isn't a shit heel. The ways to do that are the same as they have been for years. Pass a budget - a real one. Don't put on shows to give the Uniparty what it wants followed by an "aw, shucks, better luck next time." Crack the whip on the Senate and use the purse as a means. Ditto the agencies if they get out of line. Find a way to pursue a pro-America, anticommunist agenda instead of just pretending.

We've a long run of Speakers unwilling to do even one of those things, which is why they're viewed with such contempt.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 19, 2024 04:57 PM (HnUIn)

160 136 Monty Hall for Speaker
Posted by: Frank Barone at December 19, 2024 04:50 PM (+oR7L)

Chuck Barris, with his Gong.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at December 19, 2024 04:53 PM

At least we'd get Jean Jean the dancing machine.

Posted by: Frank Barone at December 19, 2024 04:57 PM (+oR7L)

161 Just as a humorous aside, Joy Behar was talking sex on the view (via the Post):

“It’s OK to walk in naked with the lights on. But when you have to go to the bathroom, never turn your back. That is a mistake. You walk backwards,” Behar explained as she acted out exactly how she would do it.

“It’s one thing for the boobies to be hanging, but the behind? Forget it,” she added. “That’s the first thing to go.”

Behar later quipped, “I think if I’m gonna be seen naked, I want a Venmo payment afterwards."

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 19, 2024 04:57 PM (UlAse)

162 Especially those that are Big Ethanol..LoLGF. stop burning food

Posted by: A dude in MI at December 19, 2024 04:49 PM (/6GbT)
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Burning ethanol for fuel is idiotic. It's already half-oxidized, so the energy content is lower than a hydrocarbon.

Why not go for more of the burrito and burn - or try to burn - acetic acid? Or go for the whole burrito, and try to burn CO2?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 04:57 PM (YqDXo)

163 136 Monty Hall for Speaker
Posted by: Frank Barone at December 19, 2024 04:50 PM (+oR7L)

Chuck Barris, with his Gong.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf

Soupy Sales

Posted by: Maj. Healey at December 19, 2024 04:57 PM (/U5Yz)

164 148 Winning by losing is a fake narrative. The big move would have been to do the right thing out of the box instead of reinforcing what everyone thinks about Congressional republicans anyway.
Posted by: blaster at December 19, 2024 04:55 PM (QfvaV)

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Republicans do subscribe to winning by losing.

Paul Ryan's choice to encourage Republican resignations in 2018 is the prime example of the past decade.

He thought he would weaken the GOP under Trump, weaken Trump in turn, and then retake the GOP afterwards. All he accomplished was weakening the GOPe within the GOP.

I mean...it's a bad strategy that doesn't work, but that doesn't mean that there aren't very powerful people who think it does.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 19, 2024 04:57 PM (GBKbO)

165 149 During live sessions, C-SPAN should have zombie Marlin Perkins and Jim Fowler do the narration of these creatures in their natural habitat.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at December 19, 2024 04:56 PM (VNX3d)

Watch out, Jim! There's a RINO and he's right behind you!!

Posted by: Just Lily at December 19, 2024 04:57 PM (L0nJW)

166 I saw McCarthy on some panel or another recently, and he was completely overshadowed by others with something useful to say. All I could think was "dude, it's over, nobody cares what you think".

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2024 04:57 PM (xCA6C)

167 163 136 Monty Hall for Speaker
Posted by: Frank Barone at December 19, 2024 04:50 PM (+oR7L)

Chuck Barris, with his Gong.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf

Soupy Sales
Posted by: Maj. Healey at December 19, 2024 04:57 PM (/U5Yz)

Don Rickles

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at December 19, 2024 04:58 PM (VNX3d)

168 152 ... but in reality, the new CR was negotiated behind closed doors by leadership.

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Written by K Street and negotiated by the scummy slimy treacherous law firm of Schumer, McConnell, Jeffries, & Johnson -- along with their many merry butt-boy staffers.
Posted by: ShainS -- Vivek for Speaker Of The House! at December 19, 2024 04:56 PM (D15FX)

To be fair to Johnson, in that case, he loses every discussion 3-1.

Posted by: Nova Local at December 19, 2024 04:58 PM (exHjb)

169 Behar later quipped, “I think if I’m gonna be seen naked, I want a Venmo payment afterwards."
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 19, 2024 04:57 PM (UlAse)

If I ever have to see that naked, fuck Venmo, I want a settlement.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 19, 2024 04:58 PM (y/ZMQ)

170 109 Biden just announced his final trip is to seek absolution for his entire scumbag life. He is planning to visit the Fake-Pope.

"Forgive me Father for I have sinned... have you got a comfortable seat, Father? I made a list...."
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 19, 2024 04:46 PM

*after the trip, on the plane ride back*

Joe: I can't believe I threw up in front of Pope Frankie.

Jill: Face it dickhead, you threw up on Pope Frankie. And shat yourself to boot. We gotta pay to replace the entire confessional booth.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 19, 2024 04:59 PM (Aqu9a)

171 99 I hear the pay raise for Congress got scrapped. - Ciampino

Eyepatch McCain hissy fit sighted, brace for impact.

Posted by: Paco at December 19, 2024 04:56 PM (mADJX)
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How much of a pay raise have Americans gotten in the last four years? Yeah, costs have gone up, but thanks in part to Congress. So let them feel some of the pain.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 04:59 PM (YqDXo)

172 Who would want the job of speaker with this slim of a majority and the shitstorm that will no doubt be happening in the 2 years they have to get anything done?
--
Yet Pelosi--in the minority--almost got a bill passed that had everything she wanted in it.

It's not about the size of your caucus--it's about how willing you are to wield power.

A Speaker with a one-seat majority can rule the House.
Especially one that has the President on his side.
If he's willing ....
IF ....

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 19, 2024 04:59 PM (8GCEq)

173 True conservative Chip Roy.

>>@YossiGestetner
·
>>Dec 19, 2023
This is
@chiproytx
on the Politics of Politics

>>Oct '20: Demands that TX AG Paxton Resign.

>>1/3/21: Led a letter demanding GOP drop election issues talk.

>>Jan 2021: Says Trump committed "impeachable conduct" but opposed impeachment just on language.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2024 04:59 PM (LkLld)

174 167 163 136 Monty Hall for Speaker
Posted by: Frank Barone at December 19, 2024 04:50 PM (+oR7L)

Chuck Barris, with his Gong.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf

Soupy Sales
Posted by: Maj. Healey at December 19, 2024 04:57 PM (/U5Yz)

Don Rickles

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at December 19, 2024 04:58 PM (VNX3d)

Andrew Dice Clay.

Posted by: davidt at December 19, 2024 04:59 PM (i0F8b)

175 172 A Speaker with a one-seat majority can rule the House.
Especially one that has the President on his side.
If he's willing ....
IF ....
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 19, 2024 04:59 PM (8GCEq)

=========

"I will remove you from every committee and remove all your re-election funding if you so much as make a sound that you are waffly on this bill."
-said so much among Democrats that it's just implied at this point

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 19, 2024 05:00 PM (GBKbO)

176 Burning ethanol for fuel is idiotic. It's already half-oxidized, so the energy content is lower than a hydrocarbon.

Why not go for more of the burrito and burn - or try to burn - acetic acid? Or go for the whole burrito, and try to burn CO2?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

I knew who posted it before I read the name. Heh.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2024 05:00 PM (xCA6C)

177 Given that Speaker does not have to a member of the House, the sky is the limit.

Posted by: runner at December 19, 2024 05:00 PM (QTCRF)

178 Is Joe actually going to the Vatican ? Another European trip on our dime ?

Posted by: It's me donna at December 19, 2024 05:00 PM (VE6XX)

179 Yet Pelosi--in the minority--almost got a bill passed that had everything she wanted in it.

It's not about the size of your caucus--it's about how willing you are to wield power.

A Speaker with a one-seat majority can rule the House.
Especially one that has the President on his side.
If he's willing ....
IF ....
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 19, 2024 04:59 PM (8GCEq)

To be fair, in actuality, she probably had a 100 seat majority...

Posted by: Nova Local at December 19, 2024 05:00 PM (exHjb)

180 We're going to ban Huck Follywood for that Behar post, aren't we?

Posted by: Wally at December 19, 2024 05:00 PM (Wn+aV)

181 I hear the pay raise for Congress got scrapped. - Ciampino

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The last thing politicians need right now is to show how they can insulate themselves from the strain inflation has brought the average American.

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2024 05:00 PM (krQz2)

182 Biden in confessional to Pope Frankie "Bless me father for I have sharted"

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 19, 2024 05:00 PM (DopAq)

183 Behar later quipped, “I think if I’m gonna be seen naked, I want a Venmo payment afterwards."
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 19, 2024 04:57 PM (UlAse)

If I ever have to see that naked, fuck Venmo, I want a settlement.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 19, 2024 04:58 PM (y/ZMQ)
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And extensive therapy.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 05:00 PM (YqDXo)

184 It's cute that you still think the Republicans are so different from the Democrats.

Probably over HALF the seat-fillers in the Republican Party want exactly the same things Dems do.
-_-_-_-

So, they're all in it for money or just liars who don't believe the crap they say to get elected? Could be. Could be. People are like that. Sure have seen a bunch of them that seemed completely straight until they were shown "information that made them change their position", but maybe that ain't it.
Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 19, 2024 04:56 PM (3BnHt)

Sure, but in that case its dumb to show your cards so offensively before the race has even started. There's plenty of power to get selling your vote to Trump instead of pleasing the Dems.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 19, 2024 05:00 PM (n7h9X)

185 TJM, YES. That is how one uses power.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 19, 2024 05:01 PM (XTmTf)

186 I knew who posted it before I read the name. Heh.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2024 05:00 PM (xCA6C)
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Sorry about that!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 05:01 PM (YqDXo)

187 House Speaker Mike Johnson will "easily remain speaker" for the next Congress if he "acts decisively and tough" and eliminates "all of the traps being set by Democrats" in the spending package.

I enjoyed that he set all those traps for the D's and RINO's and put them on the public record for two days. We found all sorts of stuff.

Maybe Trump is training us.

Posted by: t-bird at December 19, 2024 05:01 PM (abcTK)

188 It's not about the size of your caucus--it's about how willing you are to wield power.

That's NOT what she said.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2024 05:02 PM (xCA6C)

189 This redhead has nothing but contempt for politicians in general and big-time GOP types in particular:
http://tiny.cc/3n32001

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 19, 2024 05:02 PM (HnUIn)

190
Who else at Fox News can be speaker? Besides the former speaker Paul "MiniRomney" Ryan?

Posted by: Frank Barone at December 19, 2024 05:02 PM (+oR7L)

191 There's a decided dearth of johnson dick jokes in these here comments. A paucity, even.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 19, 2024 05:02 PM (Aqu9a)

192 Yet Pelosi--in the minority--almost got a bill passed that had everything she wanted in it.

----

From the traction ward of an overseas hospital, no less.

Whatta broad!

Posted by: Just Lily at December 19, 2024 05:02 PM (L0nJW)

193 Johnson is still better than McCarthy.

Is he, though? McCarthy knowingly stabbed the base in the back. The best that can be said about Johnson is that he keeps tripping over his untied shoelaces while running and holding a knife which he accidentally plunges into the base when he trips.

And that's giving him a huge benefit of the doubt. He might just be masking his loyalty to the GOPe with a false ineptitude. Not sure which way he rolls.

Posted by: Paco at December 19, 2024 05:02 PM (mADJX)

194 187 I enjoyed that he set all those traps for the D's and RINO's and put them on the public record for two days. We found all sorts of stuff.

Maybe Trump is training us.
Posted by: t-bird at December 19, 2024 05:01 PM (abcTK)

=======

Trump set no traps.

Congressional Republicans just suck and exposed themselves...again.

They've exposed themselves like this at least 5 times this year.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher at December 19, 2024 05:02 PM (GBKbO)

195 I mean...it's a bad strategy that doesn't work, but that doesn't mean that there aren't very powerful people who think it does.

We are in violen agreement then.

Posted by: blaster at December 19, 2024 05:02 PM (QfvaV)

196 178 Is Joe actually going to the Vatican ? Another European trip on our dime ?
Posted by: It's me donna

Crap! For the love of God, break out the plastic covers stat!

Posted by: Vatican Upholsterer at December 19, 2024 05:02 PM (/U5Yz)

197 70 I'd have used inept:

Inapt
Means not suitable or proper. For example, you might describe someone's remarks as inapt if they offend others.

Inept
Means lacking the necessary skill or ability. For example, you might describe someone's handling of a situation as inept if they worsen it.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2024 04:45 PM (xCA6C)

Thank you Arch. I learned something today....

Posted by: Anonymous Rogue in Kalifornistan (ARiK) at December 19, 2024 05:02 PM (QGaXH)

198 161 Just as a humorous aside, Joy Behar was talking sex on the view (via the Post):
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Ackbar worthy post. However you did warn us.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 19, 2024 05:03 PM (fs1hN)

199 Cannot find a direct link to the 116 page Bill. There is a link to a pdf of it here: https://tinyurl.com/bd2kx9nz link goes to justthenews.

Posted by: scampydog at December 19, 2024 05:03 PM (2bFN5)

200 Bribe'em and Frankie. To Hell with both of them.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 19, 2024 05:03 PM (XTmTf)

201 I knew who posted it before I read the name. Heh.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2024 05:00 PM (xCA6C)
_______________

Sorry about that!

No need. You're absolutely right.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 19, 2024 05:03 PM (xCA6C)

202 How much of a pay raise have Americans gotten in the last four years? Yeah, costs have gone up, but thanks in part to Congress. So let them feel some of the pain.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 04:59 PM (YqDXo)

you are nuts if you think what Congress is 'paid' is on that paycheck

Posted by: Oldcat at December 19, 2024 05:03 PM (n7h9X)

203 Who the hell *trusted* Johnson? Some had hopes that he'd play the game differently, but *trust?* Seriously? Who?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 19, 2024 04:33 PM (HnUIn)

Congress has carefully built this facade of brilliance and amazing knowledge so that we are wowed by the tremendously difficult and complicated job they do. In reality, most of them fundraise and push a Yea/Nay button a few times each week.

And f*ck interns and get rich with insider trading.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2024 05:03 PM (d9fT1)

204 Yet Pelosi--in the minority--almost got a bill passed that had everything she wanted in it.

----

From the traction ward of an overseas hospital, no less.

Whatta broad!

Posted by: Just Lily at December 19, 2024 05:02 PM (L0nJW)
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AND while whacked out on oxycodone, to boot.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 05:04 PM (YqDXo)

205 The Babylon Bee @TheBabylonBee 3h
Congress Proposes New Law Banning Anyone From Reading Spending Bill Until It's Passed
buff.ly/3DpKnOV

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 19, 2024 05:04 PM (hovnC)

206 You are not Ciceros. You are merely numbers.

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Dare I say merely tools -- in both the positive and negative sense of that word.

Posted by: ShainS -- Vivek for Speaker Of The House! at December 19, 2024 05:04 PM (D15FX)

207 I don't have mind beach to see Joy Behar naked

Posted by: Skip at December 19, 2024 05:04 PM (fwDg9)

208 Sure, but in that case its dumb to show your cards so offensively before the race has even started. There's plenty of power to get selling your vote to Trump instead of pleasing the Dems.
-_-_-_-_-_-_

I guess we will see soon enough. And for the record, I not think that the repubs are the most virtousest(Yeah that ain't a word) ones - just doesn't smell right how many of them change positions in DC. I could attribute a lot of that to dishonesty in the first place, but...

Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 19, 2024 05:04 PM (3BnHt)

209 Who would want the job of speaker with this slim of a majority and the shitstorm that will no doubt be happening in the 2 years they have to get anything done?
Posted by: Frank Barone at December 19, 2024 04:32 PM (+oR7L)

Someone with a strong sense of righteousness and is always ready to rumble. I don't know who fits the bill, but that's who we need.

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at December 19, 2024 05:04 PM (OX9vb)

210 191 There's a decided dearth of johnson dick jokes in these here comments. A paucity, even.
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 19, 2024 05:02 PM (Aqu9a)

IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE BOTH THE SUBJECT OF THE CONVERSATION AND THE CONVERSATION ITSELF ARE DICKLESS

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISSBERGER at December 19, 2024 05:04 PM (y/ZMQ)

211 Bribe'em and Frankie. To Hell with both of them.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 19, 2024 05:03 PM (XTmTf)

Mini-SMOD target?

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at December 19, 2024 05:04 PM (VNX3d)

212 182 Biden in confessional to Pope Frankie "Bless me father for I have sharted" - Smell the Glove

Literally made me LOL!

Posted by: Paco at December 19, 2024 05:05 PM (mADJX)

213 What's kinda peaking through all the bluster of the Dems is that they know that now, for the last time, fear of the shutdown is all they have left.

That an actual shutdown, under Trump, will be cheered by the people.

That their media rendered itself impotent to shape the narrative. (Did we forget the insider story of the media executive in a panic if they were unable to stop Trump?)

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 19, 2024 05:05 PM (8GCEq)

214 Who the hell *trusted* Johnson? Some had hopes that he'd play the game differently, but *trust?* Seriously? Who?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 19, 2024 04:33 PM (HnUIn)

Not me.
His kid is a f*cking loser that is ripe for blackmailing Dad.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at December 19, 2024 05:05 PM (/U5Yz)

215 "Who the hell trusted Johnson?"

Certainly not me.

Posted by: Rear Admiral Levine at December 19, 2024 05:05 PM (Wn+aV)

216 IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE BOTH THE SUBJECT OF THE CONVERSATION AND THE CONVERSATION ITSELF ARE DICKLESS
Posted by: BEN ROETHLISSBERGER at December 19, 2024 05:04 PM (y/ZMQ)

Threadwinner

Posted by: blaster at December 19, 2024 05:05 PM (QfvaV)

217 Poetry, ace. Perfectly said.

Public service. Most electeds and civil service seem very very unclear on the concept.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 19, 2024 05:06 PM (sD+rY)

218 You are not Ciceros. You are merely numbers.

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Many of them aren't even Cheerios. Not even ones for the US market.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at December 19, 2024 05:06 PM (VNX3d)

219 207 I don't have mind beach to see Joy Behar naked

If I had a beach, I would not invite Joy Behar to model a swimsuit on it.

Posted by: gKWVE at December 19, 2024 05:06 PM (gKWVE)

220 "Is Mike Johnson's Speakership in Danger?"

Is the TRUMP!!! curse real?

Posted by: fd at December 19, 2024 05:06 PM (vFG9F)

221 I noted this morning there are about 15 Republicans who vote no every time a bill like this comes up. Most of them are from the so called Freedom Caucus. What they want is unrealistic and when they finally get something they constantly move the bar. We generally have over 200 Republicans in line to vote for these bills and people like Massie vote no. Why are you even in congress? Go check the record and see how they vote. It’s not Democrats. It’s people in the caucus who constantly force the speaker to go to Democrats and get votes. That’s how you got this piece of shit. The FC doesn’t even want to pass a clean CR.

All we need to do is get into next year and regular order. We have lower budgets and cuts all lines up. I’m kinda sick of people who can’t see the forest through the trees. Maybe we should primary every one of them.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 19, 2024 05:06 PM (mMqP+)

222 Burning ethanol for fuel is idiotic. It's already half-oxidized, so the energy content is lower than a hydrocarbon.

Burning our farm soil, essentially, instead of growing food. Bill Gates himself couldn't have come up with a better plan.

Posted by: t-bird at December 19, 2024 05:06 PM (bkfCY)

223 ... All we need to do is get into next year and regular order. We have lower budgets and cuts all lines up. I’m kinda sick of people who can’t see the forest through the trees. Maybe we should primary every one of them.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 19, 2024 05:06 PM (mMqP+)
++++
Just like all the regular order we were promised from the previous Speaker. And this one.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 19, 2024 05:07 PM (HnUIn)

224 Congressional Republicans just suck and exposed themselves...again.
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I literally think that Republican congress critters have to be *taught* how to win. For the entirety of my life, the way congress has rolled has been "When the Dems have the numbers, the Dems win and when the Republicans have the numbers the Dems win but the game feels closer."

That's some pretty significant mental health issues "our" party has to overcome, and I don't know if Trump can teach them how to win in just 4 years time.

Posted by: Crusader at December 19, 2024 05:08 PM (TN0g+)

225 Burning ethanol for fuel is idiotic. It's already half-oxidized, so the energy content is lower than a hydrocarbon.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 04:57 PM (YqDXo)

You don't understand. The ethanol is used to power the distillation process, and it is a net gain of energy, so everyone wins!

It was all explained in my environmental science class!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Trust The Science at December 19, 2024 05:08 PM (d9fT1)

226 The GOPe has NO interest in being in charge of things. That leads to real responsibility and accountability. It's why they prefer to have a razor thin margin in the House, if they have any margin of control at all. That way they can defer to the Dems on every major issue for "bipartisanship."

They are spineless weasels and deserve to lose, good and hard.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 19, 2024 05:08 PM (BpYfr)

227 Biden in confessional to Pope Frankie "Bless me father for I have sharted" - Smell the Glove

Literally made me LOL!
Posted by: Paco at December 19, 2024 05:05 PM (mADJX)
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All have fallen short of the bowl.

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2024 05:08 PM (krQz2)

228 Public service. Most electeds and civil service seem very very unclear on the concept.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 19, 2024 05:06 PM (sD+rY)
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They're like the millennials who write open letters criticizing the CEO of their company. They don't get that the tail don't wag the dog.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 05:08 PM (YqDXo)

229 Is Biden really going to see Pope Francis? He couldn't just confess to the priest in his home church in Delaware?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 19, 2024 05:08 PM (MQJVv)

230 If I had a beach, I would not invite Joy Behar to model a swimsuit on it.
Posted by: gKWVE at December 19, 2024 05:06 PM (gKWVE)

Maybe one of them get-ups with the big bronze helmet that shackles to the suit and they drop you down with a chain and an air tube and a hearty "good luck, fucker!"...

Posted by: Warai-otoko at December 19, 2024 05:08 PM (y/ZMQ)

231 When Reagan took over in 1981 the left flipped out that the evil monster had just seized control and he was going to turn the USA into this totalitarian hellhole. And what was the terrible thing that Reagan planned to do that would bring about this hellish dystopia?

Shrin the size of the government.

Oh noes! The evil dictator will impose his nightmarish agenda of giving himself less power over our lives.

Ultimately the Democrats were able to blunt Reagan's goals, and the goverment continued to grow anyway, albeit at a slower pace.

But it's the exact same irrational freakout that the Left is espousing in 2024. Trump great crime is that he will LESSEN the totalitarian nature of Big Government.

The ;eft hates this because they want to government to have massive powers so that the Left can impose their insane agenda without opposition whenever they next take the reigns of government.

Trump great achievement, if he can pull it off, will be to weaken the power of the nanny state so that 16 or 20 or 24 years from now the left won't have that cudgel at their disposal when they retake the White House.

Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2024 05:08 PM (pMi6S)

232 You don't understand. The ethanol is used to power the distillation process, and it is a net gain of energy, so everyone wins!

It was all explained in my environmental science class!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Trust The Science at December 19, 2024 05:08 PM (d9fT1)
________________

So it's phlogiston positive?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 05:08 PM (YqDXo)

233 Trump getting things done, not in office yet. Biden admin quiet about it. Interesting times.

Posted by: scampydog at December 19, 2024 05:09 PM (2bFN5)

234 Shrin = Shrink

Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2024 05:09 PM (pMi6S)

235 I'll say it again:
The Democrats lost their image of "for the little guy" and "for the working man" in 2016.

The final vestiges were swept away in 2024.

Everyone knows they are lying when they claim any of that now.

You know who does have the mantle of "for the little guy" and "for the working man?"
Trump.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 19, 2024 05:09 PM (8GCEq)

236 Is he, though? McCarthy knowingly stabbed the base in the back. The best that can be said about Johnson is that he keeps tripping over his untied shoelaces while running and holding a knife which he accidentally plunges into the base when he trips.

And that's giving him a huge benefit of the doubt. He might just be masking his loyalty to the GOPe with a false ineptitude. Not sure which way he rolls.
Posted by: Paco at December 19, 2024 05:02 PM (mADJX)

Well, if this was a good plan the people he is 'working for' and his own power should be enhanced.

Democrats and shadowy GOPe peeps look bad and so far have little.
He looks at best ineffectual and at worst treasonous to Trump.
Theres a little suspicion that some Congressmen with Trump could have tried a grab with the bill.
If the new bill is at all tolerable Trump and his team get the credit

So politically, the Speaker looks like mud no matter what his ambitions are.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 19, 2024 05:09 PM (n7h9X)

237
Behar later quipped, “I think if I’m gonna be seen naked, I want a Venmo payment afterwards."
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 19, 2024

***
We've always known what you were; now we're just negotiating payment.

Posted by: Just the Punchline at December 19, 2024 05:09 PM (J2vNu)

238 UPDATE:

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna @RepLuna 11m
We made a deal.

Now Democrats want to shut down the government.

GAME ON!

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 19, 2024 05:09 PM (hovnC)

239 Dead man walking.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Justice for Ashli at December 19, 2024 05:10 PM (goY6W)

240 Pay to the Order of: Joy Behar

Amount: one fiddy two

Memo: Payment in full for your lifetime earnings from picture sharing

Posted by: Venmo at December 19, 2024 05:10 PM (Aqu9a)

241 Oh noes! The evil dictator will impose his nightmarish agenda of giving himself less power over our lives.

Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2024 05:08 PM (pMi6S)
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Fascism is the conspiracy to shrink the government's power over you.

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2024 05:11 PM (krQz2)

242 Dems want to shut down the government? Go for it !!!

Posted by: Ben Had at December 19, 2024 05:11 PM (XTmTf)

243 240 Pay to the Order of: Joy Behar

Amount: one fiddy two

Memo: Payment in full for your lifetime earnings from picture sharing
-_-_-_-_
Or tree-fiddy if ya keep 'em to yourself.

Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 19, 2024 05:11 PM (3BnHt)

244 Rep. Debbie Dingell
@RepDebDingell
Elon Musk snaps his fingers and we shut down the government? It’s unacceptable. We’re in office to serve the people we represent, not unelected billionaires.
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Didn't she basically inherit her seat from her husband?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 19, 2024 05:11 PM (8GCEq)

245 “ Just like all the regular order we were promised from the previous Speaker. And this one.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 19, 2024 05:07 PM (HnUIn)”

Trump will bring regular order and so will Johnson. I love how people can’t see that we changed the speaker and it’s still the same problem. Pro tip: it’s not the speaker and you could bring Newt back and get the same result. It’s assholes in the Freedom Caucus who tell everyone their the true cons and then sabotage every single bill. Go look at the demands they’ve made in the past. It’s a joke.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 19, 2024 05:11 PM (mMqP+)

246 Collin Rugg @CollinRugg 21m
JUST IN: The new spending bill is just 116 pages, down from 1547 pages yesterday, and does *not* include congressional pay raises.

Trump took a victory lap, calling the new CR a "very good Deal for the American People."

According to sources who spoke with NBC, Democrats were not involved with the renegotiated deal.

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 19, 2024 05:12 PM (hovnC)

247 Oh noes! The evil dictator will impose his nightmarish agenda of giving himself less power over our lives.

Ultimately the Democrats were able to blunt Reagan's goals, and the government continued to grow anyway, albeit at a slower pace.

But it's the exact same irrational freakout that the Left is espousing in 2024. Trump great crime is that he will LESSEN the totalitarian nature of Big Government.

Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2024 05:08 PM (pMi6S)
______________

You don't understand. If this trend continues, PEOPLE CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT, rather than being told what to do.

And that's just unacceptable!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 05:12 PM (YqDXo)

248 Burning our farm soil, essentially, instead of growing food. Bill Gates himself couldn't have come up with a better plan.

Posted by: t-bird at December 19, 2024 05:06 PM (bkfCY)

The ethanol fiasco is unconscionable when even one human being on the planet is hungry, or dying of malnutrition. I'm not touchy-feely at all, but when there is thousands of years of energy buried in the ground, and we divert land to grow it instead... that is criminal.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2024 05:12 PM (d9fT1)

249 @172

>>Yet Pelosi--in the minority--almost got a bill passed that had everything she wanted in it.

Much like The Meat Puppet, Mike Johnson is not running anything.

As has been noted, the Government is run by a multi-headed Politburo that apparently those not have The POTUS, or GOP SOH anywhere near the top of the Pyramid of Power.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 19, 2024 05:12 PM (XV/Pl)

250 Behar later quipped, “I think if I’m gonna be seen naked, I want a Venmo payment afterwards."
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 19, 2024 04:57 PM (UlAse)

I'd give her a hundred bucks in 6-month forward carbon credit contracts denominated in Guatemalan quetzales, just to see her go crazy trying to figure out how to cash in.

Naturally, some brave soul would have to verify that she had done it; if I had to look at that, I might have to enter a monastery.

Posted by: Paco at December 19, 2024 05:12 PM (mADJX)

251 Musk's money scares them.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, trying to figure out Joel Schumacher
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Finally, a big gun on our side.

Posted by: Braenyard - some absent friends are more equal than others at December 19, 2024 05:12 PM (PMg+h)

252 -Mike Johnson and his son monitor each others porn.
-House Speaker Mike Johnson's 'adopted' 40-year-old son Michael Tirrell James in court on charges of running illegal cannabis business and possession of brass knuckles - as it's revealed rap sheet goes back to 2003

Posted by: Maj. Healey at December 19, 2024 05:12 PM (/U5Yz)

253 Democrats want to shut down the government?!

Oh NO!

Anyway.

Posted by: Just Lily at December 19, 2024 05:12 PM (L0nJW)

254 >>Rep. Anna Paulina Luna @RepLuna 11m
We made a deal.

>>Now Democrats want to shut down the government.

>>GAME ON!

See? What Trump did was completely flip the bargaining position. Now Democrats will need to make a deal mostly on Trump's terms. Or they can own the shutdown.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2024 05:12 PM (LkLld)

255 Pass the new bill and then see if Thune has the chops in the Senate to get it passed and tell Schumer to pound rocks

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 19, 2024 05:12 PM (DopAq)

256 Cannot find a direct link to the 116 page Bill. There is a link to a pdf of it here: https://tinyurl.com/bd2kx9nz link goes to justthenews.

116 pages is a lot less than 1547. That should open some eyes.

Posted by: t-bird at December 19, 2024 05:13 PM (B46kE)

257 Rep. Anna Paulina Luna @RepLuna 11m
We made a deal.

Now Democrats want to shut down the government.

GAME ON!
-----

Cool, let's shut it down.

Rep Luna, call me and we'll grab dinner.

Posted by: Crusader at December 19, 2024 05:13 PM (TN0g+)

258 Didn't she basically inherit her seat from her husband?
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 19, 2024 05:11 PM (8GCEq)

That's why the family is named "Dingell". Very hard to remove them from our seat

Posted by: gKWVE at December 19, 2024 05:13 PM (gKWVE)

259 Ethanol, look on the bright side, no rusty mufflers and no water settling in your gas tank.

Posted by: Braenyard - some absent friends are more equal than others at December 19, 2024 05:13 PM (PMg+h)

260 DOW didn't continue to lose today... why? The GOP Surrender theatre was halted... won't go up again until they actually show more backbone.

Note, DOW is right at the same level as when Trump got elected... all the Trump bounce, is gone, because of GOP quislings who 'may' still hold enough power to stop the Trump economy.

Note. For the first time, combined Business and Consumer Debt, is equaled by the combined Federal, State, and Local Gov debt. As Half the countries debt and borrowing is NOT dependent on Interest Rates, but on Politics... this means that inflation will continue at unsustainable rates, until the Government changes policy.

Yesterday the DOW tanked in part, because Congress was signaling business as usual... no change... failure continuing...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2024 05:13 PM (QAkQ3)

261 Ultimately the Democrats were able to blunt Reagan's goals, and the goverment continued to grow anyway, albeit at a slower pace.

But it's the exact same irrational freakout that the Left is espousing in 2024. Trump great crime is that he will LESSEN the totalitarian nature of Big Government.

Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2024 05:08 PM (pMi6S)

The Democrats lost the "Solid South" in the process of blunting Reagan though, and that has really hurt them badly in national elections.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 19, 2024 05:13 PM (n7h9X)

262 Babylon Bee for the 'Civilization' players.

"SPARKS, MD — The hotly anticipated next installment of the popular Civilization franchise, Sid Meier's Civilization VII, will reportedly expand its tech tree system with a new "Bidenomics" research upgrade where inflation ruins everything and eggs go up to $12 a dozen.

"The Civilization franchise is rooted in history, and that includes modern history," said franchise creator and creative director Sid Meier. "Experiencing the real-time collapse of America has given us a lot of inspiration."

Its predecessor, Civilization VI, was released on October 21, 2016 — before Joe Biden implemented economic policies that brought the greatest economy on earth to its knees. This modern touchstone in history served as inspiration for the game's newest feature: a Bidenomics research upgrade.

"It's like any other upgrade on the tech tree, except that it just causes inflation to spiral out of control and the price of eggs to skyrocket," said Sid Meier. "It's really fun.""

Posted by: Stateless at December 19, 2024 05:14 PM (jvJvP)

263
I think most MAGA types detected the spineless weasel aura around Mike Johnson when he became speaker. The hope was that he'd be smart enough to be scared of the right things. But he's not smart enough

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at December 19, 2024 05:14 PM (Ijbq0)

264 234 Shrin = Shrink
Posted by: zombie
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the ;eft = the left

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 19, 2024 05:14 PM (hovnC)

265 Democrats now want to shut down the government.

You terms are acceptable.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 19, 2024 05:14 PM (Aqu9a)

266 You'll never find a more entitled group. They feed us, after all. Or so they like to say.
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LOL.

You know the difference between a farmer and a jet airplane?
The airplane quits whining when it gets to Hawaii.

You know why the brim of the farmer's hat is curved?
It's from poking his head in the mailbox every day for his government check.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 19, 2024 05:14 PM (8GCEq)

267 “See? What Trump did was completely flip the bargaining position. Now Democrats will need to make a deal mostly on Trump's terms. Or they can own the shutdown.”

Or you could just get the entire caucus to agree on a bill.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 19, 2024 05:14 PM (mMqP+)

268 This now-confirmed timeline shows that Michael Tirrell James, Johnson's "adopted" son, was 14 when then-single—and still only 24 years old—Mike Johnson met him in 1997.

When I was 24 and single, it really... did not occur to me to adopt a 14 year old boy. Or girl.

Posted by: gKWVE at December 19, 2024 05:15 PM (gKWVE)

269 The ethanol fiasco is unconscionable when even one human being on the planet is hungry, or dying of malnutrition. I'm not touchy-feely at all, but when there is thousands of years of energy buried in the ground, and we divert land to grow it instead... that is criminal.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2024 05:12 PM (d9fT1)
________________

"Well, we could always feed the hungry coal and petroleum, right?" - Democrat logic

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 05:15 PM (YqDXo)

270 265 Democrats now want to shut down the government.

You terms are acceptable.
Posted by: Count de Monet at December 19, 2024 05:14 PM (Aqu9a)

The deal can't get worse for Rs if Ds decide to wait...

Posted by: Nova Local at December 19, 2024 05:15 PM (exHjb)

271 116 pages is a lot less than 1547. That should open some eyes.
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Crenshaw comments were in the previous thread.

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 19, 2024 05:16 PM (hovnC)

272 According to sources who spoke with NBC, Democrats were not involved with the renegotiated deal.
____

Here's a clean(ish) bill, nothing like the monstrosity that the Dems were willing to get behind anyway. Ball is in Dems court to avoid a shutdown. And Rs (Trump at least) don't care if government is shutdown. Brilliant, actually. And yes, I'm starting to think Johnson was in on it.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 19, 2024 05:16 PM (fs1hN)

273 He's doomed.

Posted by: The pessimist at December 19, 2024 05:17 PM (DobEs)

274 226 The GOPe has NO interest in being in charge of things. That leads to real responsibility and accountability. It's why they prefer to have a razor thin margin in the House, if they have any margin of control at all. That way they can defer to the Dems on every major issue for "bipartisanship." - Perfesser Squirrel

I've always thought that was a real possibility. A true class of mere time servers.

Posted by: Paco at December 19, 2024 05:17 PM (mADJX)

275 When I was 24 and single, it really... did not occur to me to adopt a 14 year old boy. Or girl.
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I've owned some cool stuff over the years, but I was never declasse' enough to want brass knuckles. Come on man, have some standards.

Posted by: Crusader at December 19, 2024 05:17 PM (TN0g+)

276 Just a bump in the road. He'll be fine.

Posted by: The optimist at December 19, 2024 05:17 PM (DobEs)

277 116 pages is a lot less than 1547. That should open some eyes.
_________________

It was just the executive summary.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 05:17 PM (YqDXo)

278 the ;eft = the left

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 19, 2024 05:14 PM (hovnC)

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I read that typo as "the bereft" ... same thing.

Posted by: ShainS -- Vivek for Speaker Of The House! at December 19, 2024 05:18 PM (BgMsz)

279 Why are we supposed to think giving money to farmers is some moral gesture?

Posted by: Jay in PA at December 19, 2024 04:40 PM (i7Q7S)

We need to be able to grow our own food for national security reasons. But anything more than that is vote buying. That's it...nothing more.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2024 05:18 PM (d9fT1)

280 >>Or you could just get the entire caucus to agree on a bill.

I read your previous comment. Why don't you tell me how you would do that.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2024 05:18 PM (LkLld)

281 How does a farmer double his income? Puts up a 2nd mailbox.

Posted by: Wally at December 19, 2024 05:18 PM (Wn+aV)

282 Crenshaw comments were in the previous thread.

D'oh! Walked into that one.

Posted by: t-bird at December 19, 2024 05:18 PM (B46kE)

283
"Liz Elkind
@liz_elkind
NEWS: House GOP has agreed on a plan B CR with the following, multiple sources tell me:

- Clean 3-mo CR
- Clean farm bill pkg
- Disaster aid - $110B
- Clean health extenders w/o PBM reform
- Paygo scorecard wiped to zero
- 2-yr suspension of debt limit to Jan 2027
- No E15"

Posted by: Nova Local at December 19, 2024 05:18 PM (exHjb)

284 I've always thought that was a real possibility. A true class of mere time servers.
_-_-_-_-

Likely a combination of all problems mentioned in this thread.

Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 19, 2024 05:18 PM (3BnHt)

285 Irrespective of anything else, I wonder if Kids R’ Us makes Johnson’s suits.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 19, 2024 05:18 PM (mMqP+)

286 The only blowback politicians like is from trying to snort too many lines at once...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at December 19, 2024 05:19 PM (ynpvh)

287 Does the new bill still let Congress block investigation of Congress?

Posted by: davidt at December 19, 2024 05:19 PM (i0F8b)

288 They removed the Brattelboro FART Tube progriom funding of $3 Million and thats bothers us. This be progrim is a major facter in reducing Humin Greenhouse gas that is killing are planit !!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro,Vt at December 19, 2024 05:19 PM (FDlb9)

289 House Speaker Mike Johnson's 'adopted' 40-year-old son Michael Tirrell James in court on charges of running illegal cannabis business and possession of brass knuckles - as it's revealed rap sheet goes back to 2003

so he was 18 - 19?...you got anything newer?

Posted by: DanMan at December 19, 2024 05:19 PM (8uzBS)

290 "It's like any other upgrade on the tech tree, except that it just causes inflation to spiral out of control and the price of eggs to skyrocket," said Sid Meier. "It's really fun.""
_____

When will the DLC where the migrants are eating the dogs, eating the cats become available?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 19, 2024 05:19 PM (fs1hN)

291 Here's a clean(ish) bill, nothing like the monstrosity that the Dems were willing to get behind anyway. Ball is in Dems court to avoid a shutdown. And Rs (Trump at least) don't care if government is shutdown. Brilliant, actually. And yes, I'm starting to think Johnson was in on it.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 19, 2024 05:16 PM (fs1hN)

shutting down the government is a plus, IMO. If only we didn't have to pay all the back pay for the work they never did and never will do....

Posted by: LASue at December 19, 2024 05:19 PM (lCppi)

292 Brilliant, actually. And yes, I'm starting to think Johnson was in on it.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 19, 2024 05:16 PM (fs1hN)

this is the Bill Barr is an upstanding guy thought exercise.

next I'm sure we'll be told to 'trust the plan'...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2024 05:19 PM (QAkQ3)

293 This whole thing about who "owns" the shutdown is just posturing for "MSM optics" and blame-game finger-pointing -- which at this point are totally irrelevant since Trump already won the election and is never going to run again.

Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2024 05:19 PM (pMi6S)

294 Bill is now only 116 pages...

Posted by: Nova Local at December 19, 2024 05:19 PM (exHjb)

295 271 116 pages is a lot less than 1547. That should open some eyes.
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Crenshaw comments were in the previous thread.
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 19, 2024 05:16 PM (hovnC)

Lol

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 19, 2024 05:19 PM (SwYcw)

296 The ethanol fiasco is unconscionable when even one human being on the planet is hungry, or dying of malnutrition. I'm not touchy-feely at all, but when there is thousands of years of energy buried in the ground, and we divert land to grow it instead... that is criminal.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

No concern for Monsanto stockholders?

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Justice for Ashli at December 19, 2024 05:19 PM (goY6W)

297 A dead girl or a live boy.

Posted by: Just the punchline at December 19, 2024 05:19 PM (DobEs)

298 D'oh! Walked into that one.
Posted by: t-bird at December 19, 2024 05:18 PM (B46kE)

As one who also has poor depth perception, I can understand.

Posted by: gKWVE at December 19, 2024 05:20 PM (gKWVE)

299 Well, let's hope his speakership is in danger, I guess, but I won't hold my breath.

At this point, one of two things is true about the Congressional GOP writ large:

1) They're completely, utterly, down to the bone stone cold fucking retarded and lack the general ability to know even a smidgen of What Time It Is
or
2) They're in on it.

Either way, fuck them all to hell and back. We have basically two years to do anything with the Trump Agenda. Maintain "our" slim majority from now until then to keep the Committee chairs out from under Commie Asses, then primary all of them. I hope Elon personally funds PACs to torpedo all of them, then let the chips fall where they may. I'd rather be governed by a 100-seat Dem majority than a GOP "majority" where half of them are ready to knife us in the back at any turn.

Posted by: ballistic at December 19, 2024 05:20 PM (XXHdy)

300
"Well, we could always feed the hungry coal and petroleum, right?" - Democrat logic
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 05:15 PM (YqDXo)
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"Why not? They're eating machine lubricants right now!" - DC

Posted by: Axeman at December 19, 2024 05:20 PM (krQz2)

301 Shut the government down, I couldn't care

Posted by: Skip at December 19, 2024 05:20 PM (fwDg9)

302 "I will remove you from every committee and remove all your re-election funding if you so much as make a sound that you are waffly on this bill."
-said so much among Democrats that it's just implied at this point
--
"Hi Mr. Waffle. I just spoke to Mr. Angry in your district. Nice guy. Lot's of name recognition. He is thinking about running against you in the primary next year. How much should I donate to his campaign? Or have you got your mind right?"

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at December 19, 2024 05:21 PM (8GCEq)

303 >> I read your previous comment. Why don't you tell me how you would do that.

Tell the 15 assholes who constantly vote no on everything they’re going to get a primary challenger if they don’t negotiate realistically and in good faith.

Notice we have an agreement now. Wanna know why some of those people have seen the light? Because they are getting called out and put on notice, especially that fraud, Massie.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 19, 2024 05:21 PM (mMqP+)

304 We need to be able to grow our own food for national security reasons. But anything more than that is vote buying. That's it...nothing more.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2024 05:18 PM (d9fT1)
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This.

We learned from Britain, which was nearly starved into submission in WWII, and would have been but for the US feeding the Brits.

From that they learned how important it was to be able to grown their own food, and they've subsidized and protected domestic agriculture ever since.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 05:21 PM (YqDXo)

305 A dead girl or a live boy.
Posted by: Just the punchline at December 19, 2024 05:19 PM (DobEs)
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Just not yellow!

Posted by: Hunter at December 19, 2024 05:21 PM (krQz2)

306 ethanol for fuel is idiotic.

Octane doesn't grow on trees.

Posted by: DaveA at December 19, 2024 05:22 PM (FhXTo)

307 You know what dog isn't barking?

Senate GOP.

Posted by: blaster at December 19, 2024 05:22 PM (QfvaV)

308 297 A dead girl or a live boy.
Posted by: Just the punchline

Nowadays, a dead-named girl is a live boy.

Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2024 05:22 PM (pMi6S)

309 Eyepatch McCain is pretty pissed at you mush-mouth fiscal conservatives that won't give him a raise.

Posted by: Vlad at December 19, 2024 05:23 PM (HTycE)

310 We learned from Britain, which was nearly starved into submission in WWII, and would have been but for the US feeding the Brits.

From that they learned how important it was to be able to grown their own food, and they've subsidized and protected domestic agriculture ever since.
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Yes, but I'd feel better about ag subsidies if I were sure the Monsantos of the world weren't getting their hands on any of that money.

Posted by: Crusader at December 19, 2024 05:23 PM (TN0g+)

311 We need to be able to grow our own food for national security reasons. But anything more than that is vote buying. That's it...nothing more.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2024 05:18 PM (d9fT1)
_______________

Now do energy, and industrial capacity.

Otherwise if we get in a war what are we going to do? Send over a bunch of investment banks and MBAs to shuffle money around?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 05:23 PM (YqDXo)

312 300
"Well, we could always feed the hungry coal and petroleum, right?" - Democrat logic
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 05:15 PM (YqDXo)
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"Why not? They're eating machine lubricants right now!" - DC
Posted by: Axeman

True fact: The guy who first marketed and sold Vaseline advertised it as a bread topping, like butter, and he himself ate Vaseline toast every day for decades. No joke.

Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2024 05:24 PM (pMi6S)

313 311 We need to be able to grow our own food for national security reasons. But anything more than that is vote buying. That's it...nothing more.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2024 05:18 PM (d9fT1)
_______________

Now do energy, and industrial capacity.

Otherwise if we get in a war what are we going to do? Send over a bunch of investment banks and MBAs to shuffle money around?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 05:23 PM (YqDXo)

And now we're starting to understand the point of tariffs...

Posted by: Nova Local at December 19, 2024 05:24 PM (exHjb)

314 A bunch of those old shartbags in the senate will have to run for reelection soon. You’ve got the worlds richest man saying he will dunk anyone who wants to play footsie with Dems or permanent Washington.

That’s why they’re onboard. Watch what happens if they get another term. They’ll be right back to sabotage.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 19, 2024 05:24 PM (mMqP+)

315 292 Brilliant, actually. And yes, I'm starting to think Johnson was in on it.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 19, 2024 05:16 PM (fs1hN)

this is the Bill Barr is an upstanding guy thought exercise.

next I'm sure we'll be told to 'trust the plan'...
Posted by: Romeo13
_____

I agree with you 100%.

Wait, you were saying that about my comment! Hmm, I have to think about this.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 19, 2024 05:24 PM (fs1hN)

316 I literally think that Republican congress critters have to be *taught* how to win. For the entirety of my life, the way congress has rolled has been "When the Dems have the numbers, the Dems win and when the Republicans have the numbers the Dems win but the game feels closer."

That's some pretty significant mental health issues "our" party has to overcome, and I don't know if Trump can teach them how to win in just 4 years time.
Posted by: Crusader at December 19, 2024 05:08 PM (TN0g+)

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JD Vance is waiting in the wings to continue with their education. They better be quick learners just to make it easy on themselves.

Posted by: Decaf at December 19, 2024 05:25 PM (unUNN)

317 They're eating the WD-40
They're eating the K-Y

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 19, 2024 05:25 PM (hovnC)

318 Senate GOP wanted to pass the Krampus Kramnibus. Thune has already picked out the Republicans to side with the Ds on it and then say, aw shucks, we just din't have the voats. Voat hardur!

Posted by: gKWVE at December 19, 2024 05:25 PM (gKWVE)

319 I saw Crenshaw’s filing indicates he’s worth about $8 million. That’s a pretty nice haul.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 19, 2024 05:25 PM (mMqP+)

320 We need to be able to grow our own food for national security reasons. But anything more than that is vote buying. That's it...nothing more.

an aging family of 6 running a 1,300 acre farm ain't exactly a formidable voting block, this year's second crop was a total bust down here on the coastal bend. The real story is bumper crops happen about every 7 years...that's when you get a new truck or remodel a bathroom.

Posted by: DanMan at December 19, 2024 05:25 PM (8uzBS)

321 Yes, but I'd feel better about ag subsidies if I were sure the Monsantos of the world weren't getting their hands on any of that money.

Posted by: Crusader at December 19, 2024 05:23 PM (TN0g+)
_________________

Monsanto (now owned by Bayer) gets a lot of stick, but it's also done a lot to improve agricultural efficiency, and there's something to be said for that.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 05:25 PM (YqDXo)

322 There it is. China is approaching 2 billion people and India is not far behind with 1.45 billion. Food is the biggest geopolitical factor there is.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 19, 2024 05:25 PM (XTmTf)

323 I've never tried Vaseline on bread. Hot dogs, yes IYKWIM.

Posted by: Mayor Pete at December 19, 2024 05:26 PM (Wn+aV)

324 Notice we have an agreement now. Wanna know why some of those people have seen the light? Because they are getting called out and put on notice, especially that fraud, Massie.
Posted by: Marcus T
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Is Massie voting yes on this new bill? I'll withhold judgement.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 19, 2024 05:26 PM (fs1hN)

325 A solid food supply is pretty important, as is energy. The point of ethanol was to find a use for some of the over-production by farmers, corn in particular. It is "better" than paying farmers to grow nothing, which they still do with several programs.

Of course corn products are not great food either, including HFCS. Same with wheat and other high carb crops. Soybeans at least have more protein. Seed oils we now believe Are Killing Us All.

And "certified organic" is largely a waste of effort imo. Feeding corn to cows and other livestock seems like a good way to produce beef and bacon and chicken for more keto/carnivore diets. But cows fart and are destroying the earth by 2000, or at least by 2010.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 19, 2024 05:26 PM (Cus5s)

326 "Politics is the art of the possible, and it is possible that in conjunction with my friends across the aisle I can make another twenty million on insider trading"

Posted by: Kindltot at December 19, 2024 05:26 PM (D7oie)

327 >>Notice we have an agreement now. Wanna know why some of those people have seen the light? Because they are getting called out and put on notice, especially that fraud, Massie.

Because Trump said it.

Republicans in the House have never been like Democrats. We all know it. They all think they are the most important person in the room. This is not a new thing, it's been going on for decades.

Trump is completely different than any president we've ever had before. He is breaking the way the House and Senate used to work. Won't happen overnight but he is clearly working to change the culture. He's saying even since before his 2016 race Republicans need to learn how to fight and he would show them. He is.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2024 05:26 PM (LkLld)

328 >> Is Massie voting yes on this new bill? I'll withhold judgement.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 19, 2024 05:26 PM (fs1hN)

Yeah I’ll wait to see the roll call vote. It’s rumored the entire caucus is on board. I doubt it.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 19, 2024 05:27 PM (mMqP+)

329 They're eating the WD-40
They're eating the K-Y
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 19, 2024 05:25 PM (hovnC)

3-in-One is smooth and long lasting!

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 19, 2024 05:27 PM (Aqu9a)

330 I heard soylent green is pretty tasty, especially if spread on long pig.

Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2024 05:27 PM (pMi6S)

331 And now we're starting to understand the point of tariffs...

Posted by: Nova Local at December 19, 2024 05:24 PM (exHjb)
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Yep. Tariffs were used historically to protect domestic industries in the US. Just like other countries do for their domestic industries.

In our case, charging for access to the enormous American market is also a weapon of diplomacy, and is much better than sending troops to Lower Slovobia to get our way.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 05:28 PM (YqDXo)

332 328 >> Is Massie voting yes on this new bill? I'll withhold judgement.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 19, 2024 05:26 PM (fs1hN)

Yeah I’ll wait to see the roll call vote. It’s rumored the entire caucus is on board. I doubt it.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 19, 2024 05:27 PM (mMqP+)

No one in the R caucus wants to single themselves out on this vote - Elon's money will crucify them...and Trump's DOJ will probably find all their skeletons...

Posted by: Nova Local at December 19, 2024 05:28 PM (exHjb)

333 Have had many a small engine die and suspect this fuel bs

Posted by: Skip at December 19, 2024 05:29 PM (fwDg9)

334 JackStraw, I'm going to steal a saying from a popular series. Get used to different.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 19, 2024 05:29 PM (XTmTf)

335 Johnson has no johnson

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at December 19, 2024 05:29 PM (HYKHz)

336 A Democrat is faced with adversity. The party rallies around him/her.

A Republican is faced with adversity. The party flees to "not who we are."

One is a winning strategy.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 19, 2024 05:29 PM (Q4IgG)

337 >> Posted by: JackStraw at December 19, 2024 05:26 PM (LkLld)

I think it’s Trump and the MAGA movement. This team is on everything that’s happening. They also have tremendous reach and finances. Nobody doubts if Musk says you will get primaried that it’s a bluff. If you no anything about Washington it is they spend 2/3rds of their time fundraising. Musk can make a primary candidate the best funded person overnight.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 19, 2024 05:29 PM (mMqP+)

338 "...and is much better than sending troops to Lower Slovobia to get our way."
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The next time we invade a country I wish we'd actually do the things we'll get accused of, like stealing their oil.

Posted by: Crusader at December 19, 2024 05:30 PM (TN0g+)

339 and Trump's DOJ will probably find all their skeletons...
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Always assuming of course., that it IS Trump's DoJ - not like last time.

Posted by: Don in SoCo at December 19, 2024 05:30 PM (3BnHt)

340 Yesterday the DOW tanked in part, because Congress was signaling business as usual... no change... failure continuing...
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2024 05:13 PM (QAkQ3)

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Money doesn't like bullshit.

Posted by: Decaf at December 19, 2024 05:30 PM (unUNN)

341 I don't know if anyone has else has recommended this....how about Matt Gaetz for speaker.

Posted by: BigMeanie at December 19, 2024 05:30 PM (bl7YP)

342 335 Johnson has no johnson
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger

Mike-ro Johnson.

Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2024 05:30 PM (pMi6S)

343 zombie,
It's good to see you piping up now and again. Your insight and observations have been missed

Posted by: nurse ratched, garbage at December 19, 2024 05:30 PM (W2Pud)

344 It's interesting that Trump is sort of the de facto President

Joe's duties are down to just being a body in the room

Posted by: Don Black. Message: nuke the whales at December 19, 2024 05:30 PM (/7KEl)

345 Johnson has no johnson
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger at December 19, 2024 05:29 PM (HYKHz)

It's true. This man has no dick.

Posted by: Dr. Peter Venkman at December 19, 2024 05:31 PM (Aqu9a)

346 Food is the biggest geopolitical factor there is.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 19, 2024 05:25 PM (XTmTf)

Since ancient Sumer, thousands of years ago.

Posted by: davidt at December 19, 2024 05:31 PM (i0F8b)

347 You are not Ciceros.
Everybody knows how Cicero ended up, right?

I don't think it's "New Solomons," either.
You go with "solons" on that -- because Athenian, and also
when you get to limericking,
it rhymes with colon.

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at December 19, 2024 05:31 PM (zdLoL)

348 "...and is much better than sending troops to Lower Slovobia to get our way."
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The next time we invade a country I wish we'd actually do the things we'll get accused of, like stealing their oil.
Posted by: Crusader at December 19, 2024 05:30 PM (TN0g+)

And carting off their hot women.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 19, 2024 05:32 PM (Aqu9a)

349 I'm pretty sure that if this bill passes the House the Republican Senate will stick to whether and pass it . They saw the blowback from the first piece of crap and they don't want the trouble.
The funny thing would be , out of pure spite to the Dems who pushed him out , Biden vetoed it . Let's see Schumer suck on that in the Senate

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 19, 2024 05:33 PM (DopAq)

350 NOOD Sundowner

Posted by: ShainS -- Vivek for Speaker Of The House! at December 19, 2024 05:33 PM (2TVci)

351 When Musk discovers the Lake of Diamonds at the South Pole of Mars, he'll become the first quadrillionaire and simply purchase Asia for pocket change.

Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2024 05:33 PM (pMi6S)

352 I think it’s Trump and the MAGA movement. This team is on everything that’s happening. They also have tremendous reach and finances. Nobody doubts if Musk says you will get primaried that it’s a bluff. If you no anything about Washington it is they spend 2/3rds of their time fundraising. Musk can make a primary candidate the best funded person overnight.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 19, 2024 05:29 PM (mMqP+)

I have the feeling that the FAA might fast-track SpaceX Starship launches. If they can get Elon Musk onto Mars, it cuts his influence back here quite a bit.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at December 19, 2024 05:34 PM (VNX3d)

353 Mike Engleman @RealHickory 1h
The bill is 116 pages, and it looks pretty clean of the BS!
Here's the bill!
https://tinyurl.com/36ytrvvu

Catturd ™ @catturd2 38m
Look how fast Grok can summarize a spending bill. These turds can’t hide their pork now.

https://tinyurl.com/33ndatmn

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 19, 2024 05:34 PM (hovnC)

354 Food is the biggest geopolitical factor there is.

Posted by: Ben Had at December 19, 2024 05:25 PM (XTmTf)
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Yep. There is no substitute. There's AI, but no AF.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 05:34 PM (YqDXo)

355 Crenshaw comments were in the previous thread.
Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 19, 2024 05:16 PM (hovnC)

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Yesterday Man.

Posted by: Decaf at December 19, 2024 05:35 PM (unUNN)

356 >>>They are spineless weasels and deserve to lose, good and hard.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 19, 2024 05:08 PM (BpYfr)
*****
I get it Perfessor but, didn’t England do that and look at where they are now.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at December 19, 2024 05:36 PM (2McGb)

357 #353 Summary thus linked at the original comment:
FloridaManStan @FLManStan
This is what Grok shot back
Below is a summary of the key points from the document titled "American Relief Act, 2025" as outlined in the provided legislative text:

General Overview:
Title: American Relief Act, 2025

Introduced By: Mr. Cole in the House of Representatives

Purpose: To provide further continuing appropriations for fiscal year 2025, disaster relief, health extenders, agricultural program extensions, and other related matters.

Division A - Further Continuing Appropriations Act, 2025:

Extension: Extends funding for various government operations until March 14, 2025.

Specific Allocations:

District of Columbia: $90 million for emergency planning and security, with $50 million specifically for the 2025 Presidential Inauguration.

NOAA: $625 million for Geostationary Earth Orbit acquisition.

Department of Justice: Funds for vulnerability detection and FBI security systems.

Department of Defense: Significant funds for shipbuilding, particularly for Columbia and Virginia Class Submarines, and for maintenance and security enhancements.

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 19, 2024 05:36 PM (hovnC)

358 FloridaManStan @FLManStan #353 continued
Department of Energy: Funds for security activities and environmental defense.

Department of Veterans Affairs: Temporary waivers on certain budget restrictions.

Division B - Disaster Relief Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2025:

Agriculture:
$30.78 billion for agricultural losses due to various natural disasters in 2023 and 2024, with specific allocations for livestock and crop support. Additional funds for emergency food assistance and rural development disaster aid.

Commerce:
$1.51 billion for economic development assistance for disaster recovery.

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA):
Funds for repairing and acquiring new hurricane hunter aircraft and other disaster-related equipment.

Department of Justice and NASA:
Funds for disaster-related damages and repairs.

Department of Defense:
Funding for operational and maintenance costs associated with natural disasters affecting military facilities.

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 19, 2024 05:37 PM (hovnC)

359 There it is. China is approaching 2 billion people and India is not far behind with 1.45 billion. Food is the biggest geopolitical factor there is.
Posted by: Ben Had at December 19, 2024 05:25 PM (XTmTf)

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China is losing 100 million per year to their old people dying off. They are not likely to get anywhere near two billion even if they imported half of India.

Posted by: Decaf at December 19, 2024 05:37 PM (unUNN)

360 FloridaManStan @FLManStan #353 cont.
Corps of Engineers:
Funds for studying, constructing, and repairing flood and storm damage reduction projects.

FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency):
$29 billion for disaster relief, including funds for oversight and specific disaster assistance like the Hermit's Peak/Calf Canyon Fire.

Division C - Health:
Extends funding and provisions for community health centers, the National Health Service Corps, diabetes programs, and various health security measures until March 31, 2025.

Division D - Extension of Agricultural Programs:
Extends various agricultural programs from the Agriculture Improvement Act of 2018 until September 30, 2025, or later where specified.

Division E - Other Matters:
Extends whistleblower programs, cybersecurity authorizations, and temporary orders on fentanyl-related substances. Also includes a temporary extension of the public debt limit until January 30, 2027.

This act addresses immediate needs for funding continuity, disaster response, health, agriculture, and various other national priorities to ensure operational stability and emergency preparedness.

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at December 19, 2024 05:37 PM (hovnC)

361 For 40+ years the largest "subsidy" was the Fed and Bailouts to keep the markets going ever higher. Trillions in Capital Appreciation, as interest rates went ever lower (17 to zero). There were many bailouts for billionaires when the big gamblers (2 big to fail/jail) sucked up the Big Bucks, and now rule us all.

All other "investors" went along for the ride, but they too were actually subsidized. I took part, but it is the globalists that really got incredibly rich just playing in the markets, often manipulating them. But hey ... some "subsidies" are better than others I guess.

Posted by: illiniwek at December 19, 2024 05:39 PM (Cus5s)

362 Trump will bring regular order and so will Johnson. I love how people can’t see that we changed the speaker and it’s still the same problem. Pro tip: it’s not the speaker and you could bring Newt back and get the same result. It’s assholes in the Freedom Caucus who tell everyone their the true cons and then sabotage every single bill. Go look at the demands they’ve made in the past. It’s a joke.
Posted by: Marcus T at December 19, 2024 05:11 PM (mMqP+)

If the Freedom Caucus is the problem, make his head the Speaker instead.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 19, 2024 05:39 PM (n7h9X)

363 292 Brilliant, actually. And yes, I'm starting to think Johnson was in on it.
Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 19, 2024 05:16 PM (fs1hN)

this is the Bill Barr is an upstanding guy thought exercise.

next I'm sure we'll be told to 'trust the plan'...
Posted by: Romeo13
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The thought exercise is probable but given the circumstances and Chief players the dream is more possible than ever.

Posted by: Braenyard - some absent friends are more equal than others at December 19, 2024 05:41 PM (PMg+h)

364 True fact: The guy who first marketed and sold Vaseline advertised it as a bread topping, like butter, and he himself ate Vaseline toast every day for decades. No joke.
Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2024 05:24 PM (pMi6S)

I mix lard, petrolatum, and molasses together for the cats, for hairball medicine. I leave it in an open bowl on the table. I have been doing this since I started finding cat tongue prints in the butter when I left it on the table. I figure if they are going to dose themselves, they might as well do it on something that will help them better than butter.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 19, 2024 05:41 PM (D7oie)

365 When Musk discovers the Lake of Diamonds at the South Pole of Mars, he'll become the first quadrillionaire and simply purchase Asia for pocket change.
Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2024 05:33 PM (pMi6S)

In an interesting 'sequel' to War of the Worlds, Edison and some others invent space ships of their own. On a test flight they visit the moon and find a crater full of gems like diamonds.

Then they go to Mars and drown the entire planet by blowing the walls holding the canal water in. AMURICA!!

Posted by: Oldcat at December 19, 2024 05:44 PM (n7h9X)

366 Behar later quipped, “I think if I’m gonna be seen naked, I want a Venmo payment afterwards."

Are these people married? Your husband is probably tired of seeing all of you anyway. If you're talking casual sex partner, why? He's not going to call.

Posted by: Ciampino - Talking of used tiits at December 19, 2024 05:44 PM (i0xsb)

367 Yep. There is no substitute. There's AI, but no AF.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 19, 2024 05:34 PM (YqDXo)

You have no faith in the Incrediburger or Impossibiliburger of whatever they called it???

Posted by: Oldcat at December 19, 2024 05:45 PM (n7h9X)

368 I mix lard, petrolatum, and molasses together for the cats, for hairball medicine. I leave it in an open bowl on the table. I have been doing this since I started finding cat tongue prints in the butter when I left it on the table. I figure if they are going to dose themselves, they might as well do it on something that will help them better than butter.
Posted by: Kindltot at December 19, 2024 05:41 PM (D7oie)

I've heard that you can just give vaseline orally to cats for hairballs.

Posted by: Oldcat at December 19, 2024 05:47 PM (n7h9X)

369 312
True fact: The guy who first marketed and sold Vaseline advertised it as a bread topping, like butter, and he himself ate Vaseline toast every day for decades. No joke.

Posted by: zombie at December 19, 2024 05:24 PM (pMi6S)
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Really smooth shitting all the way!!
If he was ghey then "Pre-lubricated for your pleasure!"

Posted by: Ciampino - Talking of used colons at December 19, 2024 05:50 PM (i0xsb)

370 nood biden

Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at December 19, 2024 05:51 PM (EmT/E)

371 Nude Biden is worse the nude Joy Behar

Posted by: Skip at December 19, 2024 06:06 PM (fwDg9)

372 Maybe we need something like a law that says every year, the House can't conduct any business at all until a full budget is passed, or something like that.

Posted by: Rick C at December 19, 2024 07:24 PM (NEIix)

373 The debt ceiling should not be increased. Not now. Not ever.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at December 19, 2024 07:27 PM (paSBy)

374 Nic update

Posted by: ShainS -- Vivek for Speaker Of The House! at December 19, 2024 07:47 PM (z3WOQ)

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