The Morning Rant: Minimalist Edition

The Biden/Obama junta's last gasp of relevance is functionally identical to a toddler smashing his toy because he didn't get the correct scoop of ice cream.

There is no logic to our Ukraine policy, other than a maniacal drive to fatten the coffers of the defense industry and their grifting, grasping, graft beneficiaries, while simultaneously satisfying the masturbatory fantasies of "Pax Americana" among the neo-neocons in D.C. Why did we and the Brits push Ukraine to end their negotiations and fight to the bitter end? Why is NATO membership for Ukraine so important?

The reality is that Putin is a regional bully, but we are giving him ample pretext to set in motion his heated rhetoric about an imperial Russia by pushing constantly against his borders. If Mexico launched Russian missiles at one of our military bases on our southern border, we might get a bit upset. Yet the mid-wits in the halls of power see nothing untoward about providing advanced weapons to Ukraine and then giving them the green light to use them in Russia?

We have cranked up a border dispute between neighbors into a global proxy war, and the rationale for this is...what? That Putin is a big fat meanie and we need to slap him down? If Putin got his way, he would have taken some Ukrainian land and exacted a pledge that Ukraine wouldn't join NATO. Or if the original peace plan had been accepted, he would have withdrawn his forces for that pledge. Sounds reasonable to me.

But no, the West has decided that it will fight to the last Ukrainian and the last dollar! So hundreds of thousands of deaths and hundreds of billions of dollars later, what have we gotten? An angry senile fool and his arrogant handlers stoking the fires of conflict.

Ukraine fires first US-made missile into Russia: WW3 fears as Kremlin threatens 'nuclear response' if long-range Western weapons are used on its territory

A fiery explosion at an ammunition depot in Karachev around 75 miles from the Ukrainian border in Russia's Bryansk region lit up the night sky early this morning on what is the 1,000th day of war in Ukraine.
Eyewitnesses along with Russian and Ukrainian military bloggers first reported the attack, with anonymous Ukrainian military officials later telling RBC Ukraine the strike was conducted with the US-manufactured ATACMS (Army Tactical Missile System).
Kyiv is yet to officially confirm the ATACMS strike, but Russia's Defence Ministry claimed they shot down five missiles. A sixth missile was damaged but ultimately landed on the military facility, it said.

Great! What did Ukraine gain from this strike? No doubt a tactical victory...soldiers killed and materiel destroyed. But will it turn the tide of this dispute? No...of course not! We didn't send enough of those missiles for them to make a big difference. The only way for Ukraine to win this is for NATO to join them, and while Ukraine would love that, I think another term for that would be World War III.

Is it a crappy situation? Yes. Geopolitics is a nasty business, and sometimes the bad guys win. We haven't sent troops into Venezuela or Libya or onto the India-Pakistan border or into Mexico to combat its growing narco-state or into Sudan or a dozen other places across the globe. What makes Ukraine so special?

Yup...we all know the answer to that question.

[Crossposted at CutJibNewsletter]

Posted by: CBD at 11:00 AM

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1 I'll go let the others know.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at November 19, 2024 11:00 AM (O7YUW)

2 one

Posted by: Geriatric History Lesson at November 19, 2024 11:00 AM (nS6qG)

3 And so it begins.

Posted by: That guy who always thinks it's beginning at November 19, 2024 11:00 AM (z0QHk)

4 Commenting

Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2024 11:00 AM (AYz4A)

5 Monkey!

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 19, 2024 11:01 AM (N1DT3)

6 Where the fuck is the UN in all of this?....Useless Nations.

Posted by: BignJames at November 19, 2024 11:02 AM (Yj6Os)

7 Trump really needs to detail a handful of lawyers to ferret out the illegal business dealings with Ukraine.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 11:02 AM (3t4sN)

8
I hate that little cocksucker zelensky.

The Dow is down today and guess who's to blame? Not the little shit zelensky & his warmonger enablers. Putin is to blame, because it is he who is "saber rattling."

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 19, 2024 11:04 AM (rt+pM)

9 Where the fuck is the UN in all of this?....Useless Nations.
Posted by: BignJames

They're too worried about some goatfuckers getting splatted.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 11:04 AM (3t4sN)

10 The proximity to sweet Swiss banks where untold amounts of graft can be parked indefinitely has NOTHING to do the The Ukraine War!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ NEXT Year In Corsicana - again! ~ at November 19, 2024 11:04 AM (hOUT3)

11 Long ago, and a confirmation other day from a former Georgian history professor , that Putin is back trying to put the Russian empire to its former glory.

Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2024 11:04 AM (AYz4A)

12 with the

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ NEXT Year In Corsicana - again! ~ at November 19, 2024 11:04 AM (hOUT3)

13 There are no good guys in this situation (except the citizens and conscripts caught in the crossfire.)

Russia is a horribly corrupt country. So is Ukraine. (I'm not going to argue about which is worse.)

However, IT'S NOT OUR BUSINESS.

The Monroe Doctrine makes is very clear we don't want other world powers messing around in our ENTIRE HEMISPHERE.

And we're messing around in Russia's literal backyard.

For however terrible Putin is, he's rightfully worried about people messing around in his backyard. None of this is surprising.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 19, 2024 11:04 AM (N1DT3)

14 Where the fuck is the UN in all of this?....Useless Nations.
Posted by: BignJames

Grifting, raping, stealing, murdering, and supporting bad guys. You know, what the UN does best.

Posted by: Cheri at November 19, 2024 11:05 AM (oiNtH)

15 I'm so old I remember when the FNM told us we couldn't vote for Trump because he'd start WWIII

Now they tell me WWIII is no biggie.

Thank God Harris lost or we'd be looking at the draft by this summer.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 19, 2024 11:05 AM (oZhjI)

16
Who manufactured that missile?
Who manufactured its guidance system?

These are the people who are happy today

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 19, 2024 11:06 AM (rt+pM)

17 Putin needs to set an example.

As a Canadian, if he feels the need to nuke the shit out of Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver, I'd begrudgingly understand.

Posted by: Stateless at November 19, 2024 11:06 AM (jvJvP)

18 There is no logic to our Ukraine policy, other than a maniacal drive to fatten the coffers of the defense industry and their grifting, grasping, graft beneficiaries, while simultaneously satisfying the masturbatory fantasies of "Pax Americana" among the neo-neocons in D.C.

Exactly. End of article. You've got it.

Posted by: The Beltway at November 19, 2024 11:06 AM (4XbCD)

19 And they announced the money will flow unencumbered until the end of the year, Blinken said the goal is to get as many dollars out as possible.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 19, 2024 11:06 AM (CIS44)

20 The amount of grift with the Ukraine situation must be phenomenal. I'm betting that close to 2/3 of every dollar that goes over there comes back and lines someone's pocket here.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 19, 2024 11:06 AM (Q4IgG)

21 Congrats to CBD on the meaty trifecta today.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at November 19, 2024 11:06 AM (LxER7)

22 Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 19, 2024 11:04 AM (N1DT3)

Exactly.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 19, 2024 11:06 AM (d9fT1)

23 I continue to be amazed people believe the narrative that comes out of DC. To whatever extent they do, and there are varying degrees to which people do.

This war was started by... the United States of America!

So when Pootin says "don't use those missiles, or you'll be sorry," the same assholes who started this damn war, want to end it like it's the final scene of Dr. Strangelove.

Fantastic. I guess "we" didn't win this election after all.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2024 11:06 AM (dGCAG)

24 Trump should have made a phone call to Zelensky suggesting firing said missiles into Russia was a very bad idea.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at November 19, 2024 11:07 AM (pohLc)

25 For however terrible Putin is, he's rightfully worried about people messing around in his backyard. None of this is surprising.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian

Wish PDJT-45 had defunded NATO on day 1, something that was overdue 50 years ago!!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ NEXT Year In Corsicana - again! ~ at November 19, 2024 11:07 AM (hOUT3)

26 And we're messing around in Russia's literal backyard.

After first promising we wouldn't, then telling Vlad it was ok if he invaded in response to our meddling and now we are committing actual warcrimes (not the fake WoT stuff) by attacking Russia and Russians without a declaration of war.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 19, 2024 11:07 AM (oZhjI)

27 How did they learn those systems so quick? Or are there Americans there "helping" them?

Posted by: dingbat63 at November 19, 2024 11:07 AM (scFbS)

28 I don't give a damn about Ukraine.
I don't give a damn about Russia.
I don't give a damn about Afghanistan, Iran or Iraq.
I don't give a damn about anyplace south of the US Border.
America for Americans.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 19, 2024 11:08 AM (WPL6O)

29 I have a GOPe friend who STILL believes, after all this, that if we don't continue to back the Ukes, Ivan will march into Warsaw, Berlin, and Paris.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at November 19, 2024 11:08 AM (LxER7)

30 How did they learn those systems so quick? Or are there Americans there "helping" them? /i]

Like the sabotage of the German-Russian oil pipeline Americans did everything...except push a button.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 19, 2024 11:08 AM (oZhjI)

31 How did they learn those systems so quick? Or are there Americans there "helping" them?
Posted by: dingbat63 at November 19, 2024 11:07 AM (scFbS)

There have been Americans there since the beginning providing "traning"

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 19, 2024 11:08 AM (CIS44)

32 The proximity to sweet Swiss banks where untold amounts of graft can be parked indefinitely has NOTHING to do the The Ukraine War!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar

The Swiss now play ball with the FBI when they are looking at a conservative.

Cayman Islands is where it's at.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 11:08 AM (3t4sN)

33 The amount of grift with the Ukraine situation must be phenomenal. I'm betting that close to 2/3 of every dollar that goes over there comes back and lines someone's pocket here.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 19, 2024 11:06 AM (Q4IgG)

They say there are trillions of dollars of mineral deposits to be mined there.

Our Military Industrial Complex grift is just a drop in the bucket, compared to what these greedy bastards want.

It's our money, don't you see.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2024 11:08 AM (dGCAG)

34 The Uke/Russia conflict is nothing but a huge money laundering scheme by the EU, US, and the drug cartels.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at November 19, 2024 11:09 AM (g8Ew8)

35 Ukraine has fired US-made long-range missiles into Russia. According to Russian officials, six rockets were fired, and five were intercepted.
Putin has signed a new nuclear doctrine, making it easier to retaliate with tactical nuclear missiles.
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Idiots. They should be restrained.

Posted by: Braenyard - some animals are more equal than others at November 19, 2024 11:09 AM (bxYeq)

36 I have a GOPe friend who STILL believes, after all this, that if we don't continue to back the Ukes, Ivan will march into Warsaw, Berlin, and Paris.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at November 19, 2024 11:08 AM (LxER7)

While this isn't the case, obviously, let em have it.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 19, 2024 11:09 AM (CIS44)

37 Well, it is a proxy war on only one side.

Posted by: Aetius451AD work laptop at November 19, 2024 11:09 AM (QoyXi)

38 That Ukrainian midget needs a good bitch slapping - hopefully Trump will administer it, good and hard.

Posted by: IC - Cope Harder, Liberals at November 19, 2024 11:09 AM (DJ7uY)

39 Ivan will march into Warsaw, Berlin, and Paris.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher

That would probably be an improvement, actually.

Posted by: Bulg at November 19, 2024 11:09 AM (v6JzV)

40 This is about us, isn't it?

Posted by: masturbatory fantasies of Pax Americana at November 19, 2024 11:09 AM (DobEs)

41 There have been Americans there since the beginning providing "traning"

Vlad starting capturing Americans and Brits a while ago. The Russians mulled executing them as mercs, but then decided not to because if Biden will give you the world for a sportsball tranny he'll give you a lot more for an actual operative right?

Posted by: 18-1 at November 19, 2024 11:09 AM (oZhjI)

42 We need a forensic audit of funds supplied to Ukraine.

Posted by: mr tmz at November 19, 2024 11:10 AM (rJ48h)

43 How did they learn those systems so quick? Or are there Americans there "helping" them?
Posted by: dingbat63 at November 19, 2024 11:07 AM (scFbS)

They haven't. Yes, Americans will be firing those missiles into Russia.

Just as if we're at war with them.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2024 11:10 AM (dGCAG)

44 Thank God Harris lost or we'd be looking at the draft by this summer.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 19, 2024 11:05 AM (oZhjI)

Only the men, though. Because equality!

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at November 19, 2024 11:10 AM (aYubz)

45 I cannot believe the puppet masters are doing this for what will never end until we make it end and stop sending good money after bad.

Posted by: Piper at November 19, 2024 11:10 AM (p4NUW)

46 The US is pushing Russia around jeering, "What're you going to do about? Huh? Huh?"

Posted by: Oglebay at November 19, 2024 11:11 AM (ogTiX)

47 Stupidity abounds in the Ukraine v Russia. Only the people in both countries suffer needless deaths and destruction so that Zelensky and his CIA handlers and Putin can play real life Risk.

Hope Trump can put a swift end to it as we are literally setting money on fire abroad in that theater of war while ignoring an invasion of cartel dope and people smugglers from the South.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2024 11:11 AM (ctrM5)

48 34 The Uke/Russia conflict is nothing but a huge money laundering scheme by the EU, US, and the drug cartels.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons
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On our side of the fence. Perspective from the other side of the fence cares little about our money schemes.

Posted by: Braenyard - some animals are more equal than others at November 19, 2024 11:11 AM (bxYeq)

49 What! 1000 day of war?!

Posted by: Shitcommenter at November 19, 2024 11:11 AM (4qKYA)

50 Trump will end the war, and show the "authorities" for the feckless corrupt bastards they are. Again.

Posted by: ... at November 19, 2024 11:11 AM (gf6ih)

51 I have a GOPe friend who STILL believes, after all this, that if we don't continue to back the Ukes, Ivan will march into Warsaw, Berlin, and Paris.

We've had 2 years of the FNM claiming both of these statements are true:

1) The Ukes by themselves, but with just a little American money, will be in Moscow for Christmas!

2) If we don't give the Ukes ALL our money and ALL our weapons, Vlad will be in London for Christmas.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 19, 2024 11:11 AM (oZhjI)

52 And they announced the money will flow unencumbered until the end of the year, Blinken said the goal is to get as many dollars out as possible.
Posted by: BruceWayne

A Trump DOJ needs to investigate every penny.
And start J6'ing people until late in Vance's second term.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 11:11 AM (3t4sN)

53 >>We haven't sent troops into Venezuela or Libya or onto the India-Pakistan border or into Mexico to combat its growing narco-state or into Sudan or a dozen other places across the globe. What makes Ukraine so special?

Troops sent to Ukraine can't be used by DJT to deport Biden's illegal immigrants.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 19, 2024 11:12 AM (u1uWe)

54 I have a GOPe friend who STILL believes, after all this, that if we don't continue to back the Ukes, Ivan will march into Warsaw, Berlin, and Paris.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at November 19, 2024 11:08 AM (LxER7)

Kinda makes you laugh, don't it? When people complain about those liberals in the Democrat Party, who are so stoopid.

You gotta laugh to keep from crying.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2024 11:12 AM (dGCAG)

55 45 I cannot believe the puppet masters are doing this for what will never end until we make it end and stop sending good money after bad.
Posted by: Piper
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It's one of their best moves to regain control of our country.

Posted by: Braenyard - some animals are more equal than others at November 19, 2024 11:12 AM (bxYeq)

56 31 How did they learn those systems so quick? Or are there Americans there "helping" them?
Posted by: dingbat63 at November 19, 2024 11:07 AM (scFbS)

There have been Americans there since the beginning providing "traning"
Posted by: BruceWayne at November 19, 2024 11:08

Back in my day we called them "advisors."

Posted by: The Vietnam War at November 19, 2024 11:12 AM (DobEs)

57 51 2) If we don't give the Ukes ALL our money and ALL our weapons, Vlad will be in London for Christmas.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 19, 2024 11:11 AM (oZhjI)

Which may be an improvement.

Posted by: Piper at November 19, 2024 11:12 AM (p4NUW)

58 Europe is going to be conquered by someone. Do you want it to be Russians or Muslims?

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 19, 2024 11:13 AM (gfViB)

59 There IS a logic to our Uke policy, apart from money laundering.
We've been paying the Ukes to die to degrade the Russian military capacity.

There is also the little thing about not letting Russia just take vast swathes of their neighboring countries. It's a bad precedent. Frankly, they shouldn't have been allowed to snatch Crimea.

But as much as I love Ukrainians, I don't think they can win this war as long as Russian remains slavic-ly committed to it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 11:13 AM (xcxpd)

60 what Ukraine just did was analogous to ordering an artillery barrage on Nov 10, 1918.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 19, 2024 11:13 AM (wyMQY)

61 We haven't sent troops into Venezuela or Libya or onto the India-Pakistan border or into Mexico to combat its growing narco-state or into Sudan or a dozen other places across the globe. What makes Ukraine so special?

I remember Shrub considered intervening in the anti-Maduro coup in VZ. The FNM said it would have been a warcrime because the US has no reason to be involved.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 19, 2024 11:13 AM (oZhjI)

62 Hold on to your hats. Since Russia gets to wife beat its neighbors we get to beat ours.
I think Mexico has damaged America quite enough to have it coming. Certainly more than poo Tin had his excuse for.

Posted by: torabora at November 19, 2024 11:13 AM (0Gnoc)

63 The UN should censure the US for needlessly escalating the war in Ukraine

Posted by: Don Black at November 19, 2024 11:13 AM (/7KEl)

64 The world sitting across the table with the UN after Russia invades Ukraine twice:

What is it exactly that you DO here?

*UN shuffles nervously, holding its commie red stapler, shoving bags of illicit money and trafficked kids further under the desk*

Posted by: LizLem, Lord of the Rings and the Reckonings at November 19, 2024 11:13 AM (wcIbG)

65 A "hacker" may have accessed the Gaetz ethics investigation report.

Posted by: Oglebay at November 19, 2024 11:13 AM (ogTiX)

66 Long ago, and a confirmation other day from a former Georgian history professor , that Putin is back trying to put the Russian empire to its former glory.
Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2024 11:04 AM (AYz4A)

Putin has been in charge of Russia for, what, almost 25 years and he's expanded Russia by, what, a couple hundred square miles? In each case in response to the US trying to get yet another country which borders Russia into a military alliance which exists to fight Russia?

Sorry, but I just don't believe the BS any longer about how Putin is some ogre who's always the bad guy. We should get the fuck out of Europe and mind our own business. If the EU wants to go toe-to-toe with the Russkies, let me do it without us.

Everyone bases their analysis of the situation based on news reports (from people who lie to them about everything) or opinion pieces from people with axes to grind who get their info from news reports (from people who lie to them about everything).

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 19, 2024 11:13 AM (ExV1e)

67 Trump is doing a favor to Zelensky by making him wear a suit and tie. Trying to give him cachet on the world stage.

Posted by: ... at November 19, 2024 11:13 AM (gf6ih)

68 The Ukraine Conflict?

Apropos of nothing, here's a little ditty

*sings*

Money makes the world go around
The world go around, the world go around
Money makes the world go around
That clinking, clanking sound
It makes the world go round!
..

Posted by: naturalfake at November 19, 2024 11:13 AM (eDfFs)

69 53 >>We haven't sent troops into Venezuela or Libya or onto the India-Pakistan border or into Mexico to combat its growing narco-state or into Sudan or a dozen other places across the globe. What makes Ukraine so special?
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This stinks a lot like Lyndon's war.

Posted by: Braenyard - some animals are more equal than others at November 19, 2024 11:14 AM (bxYeq)

70 >>That Ukrainian midget needs a good bitch slapping - hopefully Trump will administer it, good and hard.

Step 1:

@TonySeruga
President Trump is requiring Volodymyr Zelenskyy
to wear a coat and tie when he meets the president moving forward.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 19, 2024 11:14 AM (u1uWe)

71 Great! What did Ukraine gain from this strike? No doubt a tactical victory...soldiers killed and materiel destroyed. But will it turn the tide of this dispute? No...of course not! We didn't send enough of those missiles for them to make a big difference.

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It's a last ditch effort. They hope this provocation will agitate Putin into something sufficiently extreme to provide us a casus belli before Trump takes office.

My worry is, if Putin doesn't take the bait, that Congress will just say YOLO and declare war, to tie his hands and protect their Almighty 10%.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 19, 2024 11:15 AM (7oYYI)

72 A Trump DOJ needs to investigate every penny.
And start J6'ing people until late in Vance's second term.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 11:11 AM (3t4sN)

It's OK, the pentagon is only missing 1.9T$. 7 years in a row of having unaccounted for funds.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 19, 2024 11:15 AM (CIS44)

73 There IS a logic to our Uke policy, apart from money laundering.

We've been paying the Ukes to die to degrade the Russian military capacity

Uh, the Russian guys pushing the nuke buttons aren't dieing. Or degrading. They are safe sitting in their bunkers.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 11:15 AM (3t4sN)

74
Putin is the bad guy.
Ukraine is the bad guy.
We are the bad guy.

All can be (and are) true at the same time.

Posted by: ... at November 19, 2024 11:15 AM (gf6ih)

75 "...We haven't sent troops into Venezuela or Libya or onto the India-Pakistan border or into Mexico to combat its growing narco-state or into Sudan or a dozen other places across the globe..."

SOUTHCOM has left the chat
CENTCOM has left the chat

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 11:15 AM (xcxpd)

76 I'm very surprised Li'l Z is still alive at this point. Wonder if he will be a year from now.

Posted by: Histories Mistories! at November 19, 2024 11:15 AM (nS6qG)

77 57 51 2) If we don't give the Ukes ALL our money and ALL our weapons, Vlad will be in London for Christmas.
Posted by: 18-1 at November 19, 2024 11:11 AM (oZhjI)

Which may be an improvement.
Posted by: Piper at November 19, 2024 11:12 AM (p4NUW)

The ultimate irony: Russia saves the West from the communists.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2024 11:15 AM (dGCAG)

78 Which may be an improvement. /i]

I haven't run the numbers myself, but I have seen references that there are more political prisoners in the EU then in Russia.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 19, 2024 11:15 AM (oZhjI)

79 From the very beginning, some of us were asking:

What's our exit strategy?

What will victory look like?

Instead, all we got was "shut up Pootin Lover! We're sending another billion to the World's Greatest Democracy to save the World!"

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 19, 2024 11:15 AM (kPo9j)

80 Obama huffed. Obama puffed.
But Obama didn't blow Russia's house down.
****
There's material here for you to work with, my Morons!

Posted by: torabora at November 19, 2024 11:15 AM (0Gnoc)

81 For what purpose does the senator from Raytheon rise?

Posted by: The senator from Lockheed Martin at November 19, 2024 11:15 AM (DobEs)

82 Ukraine claims to be able to produce hundreds of drones like the ones Iran used on Israel and Russia is currently using on Ukraine. If so, why do they need American weapons like ATACMS, our 155mm artillery, F-16's, AGM-88 HARM anti-radiation missiles, etc. /r

It's a long ~2months until Trump takes office. That's asking a lot from both Russia and Ukraine to not escalate things further.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 19, 2024 11:15 AM (Q4IgG)

83 The Biden/Obama junta's last gasp of relevance is functionally identical to a toddler smashing his toy because he didn't get the correct scoop of ice cream.

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"But MOOOOOOMMMMMMMM! Donny got TWO SCOOPS!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Dems Haven't Been This Angry Since We Took Their Slaves Away! at November 19, 2024 11:15 AM (MpEy/)

84 Uh, the Russian guys pushing the nuke buttons aren't dieing. Or degrading. They are safe sitting in their bunkers.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 11:15 AM (3t4sN)

Yes, Russia has nukes. But it hasn't used them. The nukes remain a strategic threat but not, so far, a regional one.

But we'll see, I guess.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 11:16 AM (xcxpd)

85 To me the only logic to our Ukraine policy is payback form Sundowner and his criminal gang.

Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2024 11:16 AM (AYz4A)

86 This entire bull$hit situation in Ukraine started with obama dangling the NATO membership carrot in front them. None of this would be happening if he had not started saying very publicly that NATO would grant them membership. And this was all done specifically after putin said if that were to happen it would constitute and act of war.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 19, 2024 11:16 AM (QNSds)

87 Hold on to your hats. Since Russia gets to wife beat its neighbors we get to beat ours.
I think Mexico has damaged America quite enough to have it coming. Certainly more than poo Tin had his excuse for.
Posted by: torabora at November 19, 2024 11:13 AM (0Gnoc)

100 miles buffer "no man's" land from the Rio Grande south.

All of Baja California as well.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 19, 2024 11:16 AM (N1DT3)

88 My worry is, if Putin doesn't take the bait, that Congress will just say YOLO and declare war,

to tie his hands and protect their Almighty 10%.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice

And the CiC orders everyone to California. To sit.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 11:16 AM (3t4sN)

89 It's a last ditch effort. They hope this provocation will agitate Putin into something sufficiently extreme to provide us a casus belli before Trump takes office.

My worry is, if Putin doesn't take the bait, that Congress will just say YOLO and declare war, to tie his hands and protect their Almighty 10%.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 19, 2024 11:15 AM (7oYYI)

It's the Deep State's only card left. They must have war. Hot war.

Of course, this one looks like a loser, so if they were smart they'd declare war on Iran or Chi Nah, because those can go on for decades without end. This one has a shelf life of months... at most.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2024 11:17 AM (dGCAG)

90 Stopped reading at "regional bully". Carry on.

Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at November 19, 2024 11:17 AM (Z8Yh2)

91 New narrative I'm seeing today from the left about the election:

They show a map of the most uneducated states, and it overlaps the states that Trump won.

They swear they are NOT saying the people in those states are dumb by choice. It's not their fault they are dumb. It's that the politicians in those states are purposely keeping their voters uneducated and dumb so they will keep pulling the lever for Trump like dumb imbeciles.

So this absolutely insulting map is not supposed to be insulting! In trying to understand why trump won, they keep making own goals and missing why he won.

Posted by: LizLem, Lord of the Rings and the Reckonings at November 19, 2024 11:17 AM (wcIbG)

92 Cayman Islands is where it's at.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 11:08 AM (3t4sN)

The banking contract with the Cayman National Corporation Ltd. is an interesting document...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ NEXT Year In Corsicana - again! ~ at November 19, 2024 11:18 AM (hOUT3)

93 76 I'm very surprised Li'l Z is still alive at this point. Wonder if he will be a year from now.
Posted by: Histories Mistories!

I have it on good authority from posters here at this smart military blog he'll be playing piano with his dick again.

Posted by: Smart military blog reader at November 19, 2024 11:18 AM (DobEs)

94 LizLem, Lord of the Rings

We have the Nine Rings of Man, and unless the Deep State changes course ...

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 19, 2024 11:19 AM (u82oZ)

95 @72 It's OK, the pentagon is only missing 1.9T$. 7 years in a row of having unaccounted for funds.
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But PFC Snuffy has to pay CIF if his entrenching tool has scratches on it.

Posted by: dingbat63 at November 19, 2024 11:19 AM (scFbS)

96 $750 bucks to the survivors of hurricane Helene. $700 to the the Hawaii fire survivors.
Billions and more billions to the war in Ukraine. More on the way.
****
Speakers Pelosi, McCarthy and Johnson all did the shoveling.

Posted by: torabora at November 19, 2024 11:19 AM (0Gnoc)

97 Russia has vast territories and a relatively small and declining population of military age. There are five choke points where Russia can forward deploy their military to attempt to stop an invasion. Putin wants those points either in Russian hands or in the hands of dependable allies.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 19, 2024 11:19 AM (aD39U)

98 There IS a logic to our Uke policy, apart from money laundering.

We've been paying the Ukes to die to degrade the Russian military capacity

Uh, the Russian guys pushing the nuke buttons aren't dieing. Or degrading. They are safe sitting in their bunkers.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 11:15 AM (3t4sN)

And China is helping Russia to degrade ours.

Guess who's going to be more successful.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 19, 2024 11:19 AM (N1DT3)

99 This entire bull$hit situation in Ukraine started with obama dangling the NATO membership carrot in front them. None of this would be happening if he had not started saying very publicly that NATO would grant them membership. And this was all done specifically after putin said if that were to happen it would constitute and act of war.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 19, 2024 11:16 AM (QNSds)

Obama's Administration was just continuing the same long term strategy that has been in place since the early 90s.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2024 11:19 AM (dGCAG)

100 86 This entire bull$hit situation in Ukraine started with obama dangling the NATO membership carrot in front them. None of this would be happening if he had not started saying very publicly that NATO would grant them membership. And this was all done specifically after putin said if that were to happen it would constitute and act of war.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 19, 2024 11:16 AM (QNSds)

More significant was the replacement of their government with an anti-Russian one(which there's good reason to believe we were involved with as we were involved in setting up the new government). Before that, Ukraine's relationship with Russia resembled what Belarus's still is. Russia moved into Crimea because of Sevastopol, one of their three only warm water military ports.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at November 19, 2024 11:20 AM (eYoxG)

101 Bring back "...is it a quagmire yet?"

Posted by: Don Black at November 19, 2024 11:20 AM (/7KEl)

102 My AO is the most highly educated in the United States. It voted Trump. Every county. How now?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 19, 2024 11:20 AM (7oYYI)

103
It's a write off, Jerry.
They just write it off.

Posted by: Kramer at November 19, 2024 11:20 AM (DobEs)

104 >>> A "hacker" may have accessed the Gaetz ethics investigation report.
Posted by: Oglebay at November 19, 2024 11:13 AM (ogTiX)

Ah, like the Supreme Court leaks. The ethics committee is so ethical they can't release the report. They slide it under the table instead to let someone else release it. And their hands can look clean. Brilliant!

Posted by: LizLem, Lord of the Rings and the Reckonings at November 19, 2024 11:20 AM (wcIbG)

105 This entire bull$hit situation in Ukraine started with obama dangling the NATO membership carrot in front them. None of this would be happening if he had not started saying very publicly that NATO would grant them membership. And this was all done specifically after putin said if that were to happen it would constitute and act of war.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 19, 2024 11:16 AM

Oh I almost forgot to add....and joe biden kept up the bull$hit on putin claiming the only way this war would be over is with regime change in moscow.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 19, 2024 11:20 AM (QNSds)

106 58 Europe is going to be conquered by someone. Do you want it to be Russians or Muslims?
Posted by: Notsothoreau
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That's almost a trick question.
Europe deserves the muslims; however it would be better for us if it were the Russians. Caveat: they sell us Greenland at wholesale and Iceland has self determination whether to be part of east or west.

Posted by: Braenyard - some animals are more equal than others at November 19, 2024 11:20 AM (bxYeq)

107 Nothing like Biden’s regime shitting the pool before the new class gets in. These people are homicidal maniacs and are just fine with trying to start WW3 and crash the economy before they leave.

Garbage. All of them.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at November 19, 2024 11:21 AM (eZwyX)

108 The military Industrial Complex fights back.
- Just failed 7th audit
- Outsider Hegseth nominated
- Trump announces he will use military to deport
- Trump announces new panel to be focused on eliminating useless 4-star generals

Yeah, of course they're starting a hot war with Russia. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at November 19, 2024 11:21 AM (u1uWe)

109 What makes Ukraine so special?

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"I'll take 'Money-Laundering and Child Sex-Trafficking Capitals of The World' for $2 trillion, Alex!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Dems Haven't Been This Angry Since We Took Their Slaves Away! at November 19, 2024 11:21 AM (MpEy/)

110 For however terrible Putin is, he's rightfully worried about people messing around in his backyard. None of this is surprising.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 19, 2024 11:04 AM (N1DT3)
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Yes he is. Russians have an almost maniacal fear of being invaded. And so did the Ukrainians, which is why they wanted NATO membership. I really have no love for NATO, but Putin wanted much more than the stop of NATO expansion, he wanted to call the shots on eastern European security including those already in NATO. Yes, Harris and Biden were stupid. But Putin's ask was never realistic.

Do I think that if peace had been negotiated earlier that Putin would have abided by it? Nope. Because he wants more territory to allay his security fears. I think Zelensky will be more trusting in a Trump administration led peace negotiation because he believes Putin fears Trump and won't cross him.

Will Putin launch a nuke? No. To do so means instant death for him. Will both sides scare us about it? Yep. Both Putin and Zelensky know the war is about to end. Just jostling for bargaining chips right now.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 19, 2024 11:21 AM (GZYu7)

111 What drives me nuts is how we've basically emptied our ammunition stockpiles without gearing up industry to replace it. Last I checked, we were looking at 5 YEARS of 24/7 production with current facilities to get back what we've used and given away.

That's damn near criminal.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 11:21 AM (xcxpd)

112 Instead of nukes, can the Russians get another division of Koreans? Mass has a logic all it's own in combat.

Otherwise, how is our security on the missile production plants? Russians / cartels / Venezuelan thugs is a hard combo to stop.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 19, 2024 11:21 AM (u82oZ)

113 "There is no logic to our Ukraine policy, other than a maniacal drive to fatten the coffers of the defense industry and their grifting, grasping, graft beneficiaries, while simultaneously satisfying the masturbatory fantasies of "Pax Americana" among the neo-neocons in D.C. Why did we and the Brits push Ukraine to end their negotiations and fight to the bitter end? Why is NATO membership for Ukraine so important?"

If you don't understand how and why they are fucking you, it's hard to do anything about it. This one is pretty simple: they want a war, and specifically they want a sympathetic proxy (thus no dead Americans) so they can point to anyone objecting to whatever stupid bullshit they're up to and call them Putin-apolgists. The problem isn't Ukraine fighting to the end - they were going to do that anyways, as you clearly don't understand how much they and most of the former Warsaw Pact nations LOATHE the Russians. The problem is that the progs did everything they could to encourage this, and then dribbled in just enough aid to keep a stalemate. Look at how much stuff has been pledged but not delivered, or delivered with strings... and who has been doing that.

Posted by: heya at November 19, 2024 11:22 AM (S7rnx)

114 By uneducated they mean unindoctrinated

Posted by: ... at November 19, 2024 11:22 AM (gf6ih)

115 Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 19, 2024 11:20 AM (QNSds)

Don’t forget about our bioweapons labs in Ukraine.

That’s another huge factor in all of this.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at November 19, 2024 11:22 AM (eZwyX)

116 97 Russia has vast territories and a relatively small and declining population of military age. There are five choke points where Russia can forward deploy their military to attempt to stop an invasion. Putin wants those points either in Russian hands or in the hands of dependable allies.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 19, 2024 11:19 AM (aD39U)

Their strategy is more or less to have nominally independent marches in between them and rival powers. Hence why they are mostly ringed by small countries.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at November 19, 2024 11:22 AM (eYoxG)

117 Russia will respond to this "red line violation" just like it has to the other 12 "red line violations" that they've accused the west of.

Jack. Shit.

Most recently Putin threatened to nuke Europe if F35's landed in Finland. We landed F35's in Finland. On one of their roads no less.

As far as "pushing" the Ukrainians to "fight to the last man"... sorry but the Ukrainians are the ones that want to carry on the fight. Overwhelmingly so.

I'm not willing to support US boys on Ukrainian soil but I'm more than willing to let Ukrainians field-test our weapons on Russians. Especially since most of what we've sent them, we were going to decommission and destroy anyways.

The tragedy of this decision is that it was made 2 years too late. If we were really interested in defeating Russia, we should have taken off the gloves 2 years ago.

Posted by: Defenestratus at November 19, 2024 11:22 AM (8OW5V)

118 >>> A "hacker" may have accessed the Gaetz ethics investigation report.

>>Ah, like the Supreme Court leaks.

Yup.
Did anyone think it wouldn't be leaked/"hacked"?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 19, 2024 11:22 AM (u1uWe)

119 Uh, the Russian guys pushing the nuke buttons aren't dieing. Or degrading. They are safe sitting in their bunkers.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 11:15 AM (3t4sN)

And China is helping Russia to degrade ours.

Guess who's going to be more successful.
Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 19, 2024 11:19 AM (N1DT3)

Russian recruiting is far exceeding their losses in manpower. Even if you use the phony Ukraine numbers of Russian losses. Which you shouldn't.

Oh, and those who say Russia's economy is suffering? Sure, there's inflation. Guess what, we got it here too! And unlike our government, the Russians are putting measures in place that should halt inflation.

Harsh but necessary measures that no one, not even the new Trump admin, would have the courage to put in place here.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2024 11:22 AM (dGCAG)

120 Biden is a "foreign policy expert." Uh-huh...

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 19, 2024 11:22 AM (qBdHI)

121 Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo

Yup. We are a empty the magazine, once, military. Except for nukes. Cities in China are 10 MT apart.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 19, 2024 11:23 AM (u82oZ)

122 Putin has been in charge of Russia for, what, almost 25 years and he's expanded Russia by, what, a couple hundred square miles? In each case in response to the US trying to get yet another country which borders Russia into a military alliance which exists to fight Russia?

Yep. Putin has actually ceded territory to China in resolving their old border dispute. Not a huge amount, but still.

Posted by: Bulg at November 19, 2024 11:23 AM (v6JzV)

123 @TonySeruga
President Trump is requiring Volodymyr Zelenskyy
to wear a coat and tie when he meets the president moving forward.

He should wear a jockey's outfit and carry a lantern.

Posted by: t-bird at November 19, 2024 11:23 AM (A1ulB)

124 97 Russia has vast territories and a relatively small and declining population of military age. There are five choke points where Russia can forward deploy their military to attempt to stop an invasion. Putin wants those points either in Russian hands or in the hands of dependable allies.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 19, 2024 11:19 AM (aD39U)

Yeah pretty much.

I wonder when (not if) China comes knocking though.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 11:23 AM (xcxpd)

125 This is NWO attempt to start WW3 before Trump is inaugurated

I think it’s also a big middle finger from the obama cabal to the Bidet faction.

Posted by: kallisto at November 19, 2024 11:23 AM (jWL5R)

126 Time for Ukraine to hit the Kremlin dome. Only inflecting pain on Russian infrastructure and population centers will make Russians put a stop to the war. They think that they are immune.

Probably too little too late, but better than nothing I guess

What would happen if Putin decided to declare war on NATO or the US? Treason is only a crime in war time. Trump, Musk and all their compatriots could be arrested and tried for treason before Biden leaves office.

A little ticking bomb for Donny. Remember when Trump timed the withdrawal from Afganistan to occur on Biden's watch knowing it, like all retreats, was going to be a shit show? It looks like this time Ol' Joe is giving Donny a little present on his way out the door.

I would love to see any Democratic Moxie. Sick of being the party getting sand kicked in it's face.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at November 19, 2024 11:23 AM (Jo9Pk)

127 Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 11:21 AM (xcxpd)

I’d argue it is criminal

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at November 19, 2024 11:23 AM (eZwyX)

128 111 What drives me nuts is how we've basically emptied our ammunition stockpiles without gearing up industry to replace it. Last I checked, we were looking at 5 YEARS of 24/7 production with current facilities to get back what we've used and given away.

That's damn near criminal.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 11:21 AM (xcxpd)

Also see emptying out the SPR for votes.

This whole thing is a dangerous game.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 19, 2024 11:23 AM (Ud7de)

129 Back on the home front, esteemed Moran Legal Team - what does it mean that Merchan adjourned the Nov. 26 sentencing date?

Posted by: Piper at November 19, 2024 11:23 AM (p4NUW)

130 OT Consumer note:

Sonos' software is the buggiest shit on the planet.

Posted by: mr tmz at November 19, 2024 11:23 AM (rJ48h)

131 >>>It's a long ~2months until Trump takes office. That's asking a lot from both Russia and Ukraine to not escalate things further.
Posted by: Martini Farmer
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Especially since they just escalated it. Trump could tell Zelensky, every escalation you do casts more my favor to Putin when we come to the table.

Posted by: Braenyard - some animals are more equal than others at November 19, 2024 11:23 AM (bxYeq)

132 What drives me nuts is how we've basically emptied our ammunition stockpiles without gearing up industry to replace it. Last I checked, we were looking at 5 YEARS of 24/7 production with current facilities to get back what we've used and given away.

That's damn near criminal.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 11:21 AM
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Most of what we have given was material set for disposal. We got a bargain. WE do have some ammunition issues. I expect under a Trump led admin, that will be resolved quickly.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 19, 2024 11:24 AM (GZYu7)

133 Yup. We are a empty the magazine, once, military. Except for nukes. Cities in China are 10 MT apart.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 19, 2024 11:23 AM (u82oZ)

I've never heard that measurement, but it amuses me.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 11:24 AM (xcxpd)

134 Russia will respond to this "red line violation" just like it has to the other 12 "red line violations" that they've accused the west of.

Jack. Shit.

Posted by: Defenestratus at November 19, 2024 11:22 AM (8OW5V)

Oh really?

The people of Ukraine would like a word with you, about how jacky shitty it is. Except half of them are dead, so they can't.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2024 11:24 AM (dGCAG)

135 BurtC

Putin wanted Harris, although he admires Trump. He will win with our current administration in power.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 19, 2024 11:24 AM (u82oZ)

136 Also see emptying out the SPR for votes.

This whole thing is a dangerous game.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 19, 2024 11:23 AM (Ud7de)
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Done by Biden for domestic political consideration. Ugh.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 19, 2024 11:24 AM (GZYu7)

137 lit up the night sky early this morning on what is the 1,000th day of war in Ukraine.

#2Weeks

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 19, 2024 11:24 AM (ynpvh)

138 "That Putin is a big fat meanie and we need to slap him down?..."

Hey, that's my nic! I don't go around calling people I don't like Charlie Brown's Dildos!

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 19, 2024 11:24 AM (YIxO9)

139 OT, but I saw a post in the last thread about cats drinking antifreeze because it's sweet. I always thought cats didn't have the taste buds to actually discern sweetness. I looked it up again and it's true. I've been baffled why my Siamese loves ice cream.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 19, 2024 11:25 AM (qBdHI)

140 Re uneducated states:
Now let's correlate the spread of monkey pox with states that have higher education achievements. Come on. I know you can.

Posted by: torabora at November 19, 2024 11:25 AM (0Gnoc)

141 >>A little ticking bomb for Donny. Remember when Trump timed the withdrawal from Afganistan to occur on Biden's watch knowing it, like all retreats, was going to be a shit show?

But remember: we're the dumb ones who read misinformation!

Posted by: Lizzy at November 19, 2024 11:25 AM (u1uWe)

142 >>> My AO is the most highly educated in the United States. It voted Trump. Every county. How now? Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 19, 2024 11:20 AM (7oYYI)

Trump won Obama voters and Bernie voters. They are implying, by saying Trump voters are dumb, that those voters are also dumb. Good. Keep effing that chicken. That will win them back!

They also equate MOAR education with higher intelligence. The Biden regime is showing us why that's the dumbest takeaway of all.

Posted by: LizLem, Lord of the Rings and the Reckonings at November 19, 2024 11:25 AM (wcIbG)

143 What drives me nuts is how we've basically emptied our ammunition stockpiles without gearing up industry to replace it. Last I checked, we were looking at 5 YEARS of 24/7 production with current facilities to get back what we've used and given away.

That's damn near criminal.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 11:21 AM (xcxpd)

That's what I was referring to in how China is supporting Russia to degrade our military capacity.

But our "BEST AND BRIGHTEST" keep pushing ahead with no plan for what happens when the ammo runs out.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 19, 2024 11:25 AM (N1DT3)

144 128 111 What drives me nuts is how we've basically emptied our ammunition stockpiles without gearing up industry to replace it. Last I checked, we were looking at 5 YEARS of 24/7 production with current facilities to get back what we've used and given away.

That's damn near criminal.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 11:21 AM (xcxpd)
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McConnell says it's good for business and the economy and we get all new stuff.

Posted by: Braenyard - some animals are more equal than others at November 19, 2024 11:25 AM (bxYeq)

145 Posted by: Defenestratus at November 19, 2024 11:22 AM (8OW5V)

Don’t really understand this line of thinking.

Why should we encourage Ukraine to kill Russians?

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at November 19, 2024 11:25 AM (eZwyX)

146 I am not convinced Putin is this insane. He's all kinds of things but not sure he's insane.

He lights the fuse on nukes and Russia is a wasteland. A lot of other countries too but he's dead or worse, ruling a wasteland.

I just don't see how that benefits him at all.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 19, 2024 11:25 AM (Ud7de)

147 I’d argue it is criminal
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at November 19, 2024 11:23 AM (eZwyX)

I wouldn't argue that. The line between stupid and criminal has been crossed many times by the Biden junta.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 11:25 AM (xcxpd)

148
If we really wanted to hurt Russia, we'd be drilling and exporting energy. We'd be doing what we could to drive down the price of oil and gas. We'd be striking economically at the source of their funding for this conflict.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 19, 2024 11:26 AM (dxSpM)

149 Black JEM

Combat uses a lot of ammo. A lot. We are not ready, no matter how much we puff our torsos.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 19, 2024 11:26 AM (u82oZ)

150 A realist would recognize this op is designed to buttress the German Left to somehow replace the German Left of Sholz with someone else. They also have to worry that Poland's government may collapse soon. So, with the logic of the NEO-CONs, starting a war is the only way to hold their coalition together. I don't think the Euros are all that excited about another war in their backyard. When Poland's party fails you may see a more sober response from the Euros.

Don't even get me going on Britain (or what remains of it).

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 19, 2024 11:26 AM (jFCkp)

151 97 Russia has vast territories and a relatively small and declining population of military age. There are five choke points where Russia can forward deploy their military to attempt to stop an invasion. Putin wants those points either in Russian hands or in the hands of dependable allies.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)
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I seriously doubt that Putin is much afraid of invasion from the West. What is more likely is the rising power of China getting diverted northwards where not very many people are but a whole lot of resources to be grabbed.

The Byzantine Empire, in part, fell to the Turks because they and the equally stupid Sassanid dynasty kept going to war with each other and impoverishing themselves in the process.

Left both vulnerable to outside challenges while internally both countries rotted from within.

Both Putin with his oligarchs and the West having been playing a stupid game with stupid prizes.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2024 11:26 AM (ctrM5)

152 If we do have ammo issues, can't the military just go after the stockpiles at the Dept of Education, IRS, and PBS?

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 19, 2024 11:26 AM (YIxO9)

153 Hadrian the Seventh

Soon. Jan 20th, 2025.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 19, 2024 11:26 AM (u82oZ)

154 OT Consumer note:

Sonos' software is the buggiest shit on the planet.

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I've had Sonos for years. It's very buggy. It can be quite annoying at times.

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 19, 2024 11:26 AM (qBdHI)

155 McConnell says it's good for business and the economy and we get all new stuff.
Posted by: Braenyard - some animals are more equal than others at November 19, 2024 11:25 AM (bxYeq)

McConnell sucks Chinese lady penis by choice.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 11:26 AM (xcxpd)

156 I've been baffled why my Siamese loves ice cream.
Posted by: Lady in Black at November 19, 2024 11:25 AM (qBdHI)
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My guess would be the milk fat.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at November 19, 2024 11:26 AM (z0QHk)

157 132 What drives me nuts is how we've basically emptied our ammunition stockpiles without gearing up industry to replace it. Last I checked, we were looking at 5 YEARS of 24/7 production with current facilities to get back what we've used and given away.

That's damn near criminal.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 11:21 AM
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Most of what we have given was material set for disposal. We got a bargain. WE do have some ammunition issues. I expect under a Trump led admin, that will be resolved quickly.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 19, 2024 11:24 AM (GZYu7)

This isn't true of artillery stockpiles. The west simply doesn't produce them at comparable rates because they make up a much smaller ratio of our forces.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at November 19, 2024 11:27 AM (eYoxG)

158 59
‘ But as much as I love Ukrainians, I don't think they can win this war as long as Russian remains slavic-ly committed to it.’

I mostly agree with you but the war has been politicized by the international left and Ukraine bought into that side.
Now that the left is on its way out of power, the best Ukraine can hope for is the loss of Russian controlled territory and an agreement from Russia not to attack again in exchange for Ukraine not joining NATO.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 19, 2024 11:27 AM (jbnUc)

159 Instead, all we got was "shut up Pootin Lover! We're sending another billion to the World's Greatest Democracy to save the World!"
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 19, 2024 11:15 AM (kPo9j)

But wait, I have been assured here that any cost is worth avoiding the risk that Putin will recreate Stalin's empire, and conquer Europe and the world! Were these people hysterical reactionaries stuck in their cold war mentality?
What else were they wrong about, I am seriously reassessing reality.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 19, 2024 11:28 AM (D7oie)

160 Using nukes instead of threatening to use them probably isn't Putin's strongest play. But if he were to use them what would he bomb? I'd say one bomb dropped on Kyiv, to make a statement. They're already in a war, you see.

I don't think Putin will do this, now that Trump will be in office. Had Trump not been elected we would have stayed on a path where this would be increasingly likely. Another bullet dodged.

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 19, 2024 11:28 AM (Gqoy+)

161
It's World Toilet Day, by the way. How are YOU observing it?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 19, 2024 11:28 AM (dxSpM)

162 Big Fat Meanie

Small Arms ammo is not the problem.

All-up missile rounds are. If Pac Fleet goes west of Wake, we run out of SM-6s, and can not reload at sea in a timely manner.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 19, 2024 11:28 AM (u82oZ)

163 Don't even get me going on Britain (or what remains of it).
Posted by: Pudinhead at November 19, 2024 11:26 AM (jFCkp)

Evil and stupidity united to ruin Perfidious Albion.
I have mixed feelings about that.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 11:28 AM (xcxpd)

164 If we really wanted to hurt Russia, we'd be drilling and exporting energy. We'd be doing what we could to drive down the price of oil and gas. We'd be striking economically at the source of their funding for this conflict.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 19, 2024 11:26 AM (dxSpM)

True. But it does beg the question: Why do we want to hurt them?

Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2024 11:28 AM (dGCAG)

165 I seriously doubt that Putin is much afraid of invasion from the West. What is more likely is the rising power of China getting diverted northwards where not very many people are but a whole lot of resources to be grabbed.
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A big time YEP.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 19, 2024 11:28 AM (jFCkp)

166 Salty, I know, I'm making a funny. Or was trying to.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 19, 2024 11:29 AM (YIxO9)

167 Lets face it. Z has pictures of 90% of the swamp powers that be in bed with a dead girl AND a live boy.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at November 19, 2024 11:29 AM (gm9Sb)

168 >>> 102 My AO is the most highly educated in the United States. It voted Trump. Every county. How now?
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 19, 2024 11:20 AM (7oYYI)

Remember these are the fcktards who think one must be a biologist to determine if another person is male or female, and then consider how they would define 'educated'.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 19, 2024 11:29 AM (KcwUg)

169 Big Fat Meanie

What will save us is the state of offensive missilry in Red China. Have they recovered from filling their boosters with sand and water?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 19, 2024 11:29 AM (u82oZ)

170 Whatever they do, Trump will have a counter. And they know it. So it's gonna be a matter of breaking and stealing as much as they can before he gets in.

Posted by: ... at November 19, 2024 11:29 AM (gf6ih)

171 The neat part to me is that NATO is now acting aggressively and offensively. You didn't notice that? Well start noticing, because it's true.

Hey, remember when Russia asked to join NATO?

Or when NATO admitted that they were why the Ukraine war started?

NATO:

" The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn't sign that...

So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders. "

https://tinyurl.com/ycduun58

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 11:29 AM (AAvt3)

172 True. But it does beg the question: Why do we want to hurt them?
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To hold on to the American Satrap known as Western Europe.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 19, 2024 11:29 AM (jFCkp)

173 I mostly agree with you but the war has been politicized by the international left and Ukraine bought into that side.
Now that the left is on its way out of power, the best Ukraine can hope for is the loss of Russian controlled territory and an agreement from Russia not to attack again in exchange for Ukraine not joining NATO.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 19, 2024 11:27 AM (jbnUc)

Yeah, that's what I expect the peace agreements to look like. Sucks for the Ukes, all that fighting and dying to just...wind up losing the territory they were fighting for.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 11:30 AM (xcxpd)

174 They are building another ammo plant. Probably done next year sometime. And hopefully production at existing facilities is un-reliabily estimated. It's not smart to telegraph that kind of stuff.
But the FBI would be wise to look into who is sniffing around but they're too busy guarding abortion facilities because dead Americans is more important.

Posted by: torabora at November 19, 2024 11:30 AM (0Gnoc)

175 It's World Toilet Day, by the way. How are YOU observing it?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

Hmmm. I need to go out a get a Koran.

Posted by: Bulg at November 19, 2024 11:30 AM (v6JzV)

176 Just like the walk up to WW I. Little old men and antiquated alliances with domestic political problems stumbling blindly into WW III. The question becomes if all hell does break loose, what parts of political world come apart and disappear? The UN, NATO, Russia, China, could be some or all swept away

Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 19, 2024 11:30 AM (/y7Fe)

177 Yes he is. Russians have an almost maniacal fear of being invaded. And so did the Ukrainians, which is why they wanted NATO membership. I really have no love for NATO, but Putin wanted much more than the stop of NATO expansion, he wanted to call the shots on eastern European security including those already in NATO. Yes, Harris and Biden were stupid. But Putin's ask was never realistic.

Putin asked for Russia to be allowed to join NATO. We refused. I believe that Putin asked for Russia to be allowed to join the EU. They refused. We cannot spend decades pissing on Russia and then say that they're the bad guy.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 19, 2024 11:30 AM (ExV1e)

178 Mind you, if I was single and younger, I'd looks seriously at mail order Ukrainian brides. They've lost a generation of men.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 11:30 AM (xcxpd)

179 I would like to see the US sell weapons and ammo to the Russians. Help them eliminate the homos, gangsters and human sex trafficker's in Ukraine as well as showing good will to the Russian people, who are our natural allies in the war against Global Homo.

It is the right thing to do.

Posted by: Anita Bryant at November 19, 2024 11:30 AM (5MA0f)

180 What would happen if Putin decided to declare war on NATO or the US? Treason is only a crime in war time. Trump, Musk and all their compatriots could be arrested and tried for treason before Biden leaves office.

DUmmies, for what? 😂😂😂😂

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 11:31 AM (3t4sN)

181 Russia has vast territories and a relatively small and declining population of military age. There are five choke points where Russia can forward deploy their military to attempt to stop an invasion. Putin wants those points either in Russian hands or in the hands of dependable allies.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 19, 2024 11:19 AM (aD39U)
==
Correct, all his moves have been predicated on this.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 19, 2024 11:31 AM (GZYu7)

182 I seriously doubt that Putin is much afraid of invasion from the West. What is more likely is the rising power of China getting diverted northwards where not very many people are but a whole lot of resources to be grabbed.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2024 11:26 AM (ctrM5)

This is a failure to understand Russian perspective on things. From what they've seen, we've been very unreliable/inconsistent(which is historically normal for the US) in our diplomatic communications, and periodically toppling governments, even allied or compliant ones, over the last couple decades without rhyme or reason.

A move into Ukraine by NATO looks like setting up for a quick drive into Moscow.

Publicly talking about getting rid of Putin(and what may have been an assassination attempt that killed his favored driver before the current war) probably doesn't help matters either.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at November 19, 2024 11:31 AM (eYoxG)

183 Big Fat Meanie

You're good.

Weapons free on gangs from Latin and South America, we can do. If we had the will. America is self-defended with an unorganized militia.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 19, 2024 11:31 AM (u82oZ)

184 And China is helping Russia to degrade ours.

Guess who's going to be more successful.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at November 19, 2024 11:19 AM (N1DT3)

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[From "Foreign Policy Magazine, "March 2024:]

"The U.S. Military Is Running Short on Ammunition -- and So Is Ukraine"

https://is.gd/DylJGn

Posted by: ShainS -- Dems Haven't Been This Angry Since We Took Their Slaves Away! at November 19, 2024 11:31 AM (MpEy/)

185 Whatever they do, Trump will have a counter. And they know it. So it's gonna be a matter of breaking and stealing as much as they can before he gets in.
Posted by: ... at November 19, 2024 11:29 AM (gf6ih)

I believe Pootin would be willing to negotiate for a settlement of far less than what he currently occupies. With a guarantee of no more silly talk of Nato.

It could be over right now, if we'd agree to that, and if Trump's team is smart, they will.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2024 11:31 AM (dGCAG)

186 The question is, if Russia nukes a non NATO country like Ukraine, does any country respond in kind or does everyone decide it's not worth it to destroy everything.

Russia nuking the US is one thing. (What he's threatened)

Russia nuking Ukraine might be something else.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at November 19, 2024 11:31 AM (Ud7de)

187 =======
I seriously doubt that Putin is much afraid of invasion from the West. What is more likely is the rising power of China getting diverted northwards where not very many people are but a whole lot of resources to be grabbed.
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Russia has always been afraid of invasion. They have a genetic predisposition of invasion fear. Russia has vast flat borders and have dealt with invasion too many times.

Posted by: Braenyard - some animals are more equal than others at November 19, 2024 11:32 AM (bxYeq)

188 It's World Toilet Day, by the way. How are YOU observing it?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 19, 2024 11:28 AM (dxSpM)
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I call my toilet "Hungry Gus!"

Posted by: Phillippe at November 19, 2024 11:32 AM (z0QHk)

189 174 They are building another ammo plant. Probably done next year sometime. And hopefully production at existing facilities is un-reliabily estimated. It's not smart to telegraph that kind of stuff....
Posted by: torabora at November 19, 2024 11:30 AM (0Gnoc)

I hadn't heard that. It's...something, at least.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 11:32 AM (xcxpd)

190 Now that the left is on its way out of power, the best Ukraine can hope for is the loss of Russian controlled territory and an agreement from Russia not to attack again in exchange for Ukraine not joining NATO.
Posted by: Dr. Claw

-

Serious question:

What was the other "best" alternative? Hasn't it always been that, and everything has just been laundering money?

I assume that's why peace treaties are only now being discussed.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 11:32 AM (AAvt3)

191 I was less than thrilled with Trump's nomination of RFK Jr, believing he was something of a lefty loose cannon. But I was wrong about him in at least one respect: I thought he opposed vaccines. He does not. He has refused the Covid "vaccine" only.

So he's just like me when it comes to vaccines.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vxcnVu9E3js

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at November 19, 2024 11:32 AM (paSBy)

192 > We have cranked up a border dispute between neighbors into a global proxy war, and the rationale for this is...what? That Putin is a big fat meanie and we need to slap him down? If Putin got his way, he would have taken some Ukrainian land and exacted a pledge that Ukraine wouldn't join NATO. Or if the original peace plan had been accepted, he would have withdrawn his forces for that pledge. Sounds reasonable to me.

How easily people forget things even a few years ago. A border dispute? Putin tried to conquer the entire country. A helicopter assault on the capital, with ground forces just behind them. Some even made it to Kiev, but the massive tank column was stopped before it could get there.

2014 was what you say (even if your implications are wrong), and it only increased Putin's appetite. How much is Putin's peace pledge worth? About one visit to the toilet.

Posted by: The Ghost of History at November 19, 2024 11:32 AM (EX4EH)

193 OT, but I saw a post in the last thread about cats drinking antifreeze because it's sweet. I always thought cats didn't have the taste buds to actually discern sweetness. I looked it up again and it's true. I've been baffled why my Siamese loves ice cream.
Posted by: Lady in Black at November 19, 2024 1

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Lady in Black, perhaps it's the smell of the antifreeze. I've read warnings for years that if you change your own antifreeze, not to let it run all over the place -- not for any real or imagined harm to "the planet," but because your cats or others could be killed by it.

My big red tiger cat as a boy, Rusty, loved the occasional nibble of a Vanilla Wafer or a tiny bit of donut. (Of course, he also loved slivers of green olives and reveled in them as if they were catnip.)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 19, 2024 11:32 AM (J2vNu)

194
Putin asked for Russia to be allowed to join NATO. We refused. I believe that Putin asked for Russia to be allowed to join the EU. They refused. We cannot spend decades pissing on Russia and then say that they're the bad guy.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 19, 2024 11:30 AM (ExV1e)

They were always going to be either in the US bloc or the Chinese one after the collapse of the USSR. We determined that they were too large to be in the US block without being broken up further.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at November 19, 2024 11:32 AM (eYoxG)

195 146 I am not convinced Putin is this insane. He's all kinds of things but not sure he's insane.

He lights the fuse on nukes and Russia is a wasteland. A lot of other countries too but he's dead or worse, ruling a wasteland.

I just don't see how that benefits him at all.
Posted by: AlaBAMA
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Nukes are the ultimate backstop for foreign policy and defense failures but once used, they f*ck up everything if your opponents have them too.

The stupidity is that the lesson for other countries that want to chart their own course is to have nukes on hand. Notice no one really talks about regime change in Pakistan or NORK land. If Iran obtains them, same thing.

My guess is that Ukraine cut adrift from the West will have every incentive to go nuclear within a couple of years. Taiwan was a participant in an ersatz network of nuclear sharing with South Africa and Israel culminating in South Africa lighting one off shortly before apartheid ended. So Taiwan, with nuclear plants already, probably could produce quite a few on very short notice. Ditto for Japan, Germany, etc.

I can see why Elon is in a hurry to get to space and Mars.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2024 11:33 AM (ctrM5)

196 I would love to see any Democratic Moxie. Sick of being the party getting sand kicked in it's face.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at November 19, 2024 11:23 AM (Jo9Pk)

He said, unironically, whilst championing the complete destruction of all things masculine.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at November 19, 2024 11:33 AM (aYubz)

197 186 The question is, if Russia nukes a non NATO country like Ukraine, does any country respond in kind or does everyone decide it's not worth it to destroy everything.
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Ukraine is not NATO.

Posted by: Braenyard - some animals are more equal than others at November 19, 2024 11:33 AM (bxYeq)

198 What drives me nuts is how we've basically emptied our ammunition stockpiles without gearing up industry to replace it. Last I checked, we were looking at 5 YEARS of 24/7 production with current facilities to get back what we've used and given away.

Good thing there's nothing major on the horizon. (Ignore the US Army's sudden focus on preparing for Large Scale Combat Operations and obsessive planning around the 2027 invasion window of Taiwan from China)

Posted by: Military Moron at November 19, 2024 11:33 AM (Jo9Pk)

199 Cats won't drink almond "milk", which proves they are smarter than humans.

Posted by: Wisconsin Dairy Council at November 19, 2024 11:33 AM (nS6qG)

200 Is Charles Littlejohn actually in prison? Somehow I doubt he ever will be.

Posted by: Oglebay at November 19, 2024 11:33 AM (ogTiX)

201 To hold on to the American Satrap known as Western Europe.
Posted by: Pudinhead

Why? What is the benefit of spilling American blood for Europe?

They don't give a shit to save themselves, why should we???

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 11:33 AM (3t4sN)

202 True. But it does beg the question: Why do we want to hurt them?
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To hold on to the American Satrap known as Western Europe.
Posted by: Pudinhead at November 19, 2024 11:29 AM (jFCkp)

If the U.S. wants to "hold onto" Europe, they should work on defeating the commies taking over all these governments in Europe.

Russia is not a threat to Europe.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2024 11:33 AM (dGCAG)

203 I was less than thrilled with Trump's nomination of RFK Jr, believing he was something of a lefty loose cannon. But I was wrong about him in at least one respect: I thought he opposed vaccines. He does not. He has refused the Covid "vaccine" only.

So he's just like me when it comes to vaccines.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vxcnVu9E3js

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at November 19, 2024 11:32 AM (paSBy)

RFKj's positions on many things has been VASTLY overstated to make him sound like more of a loon than he is. Recommend his talk with Tucker.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 19, 2024 11:34 AM (CIS44)

204 The Byzantine Empire, in part, fell to the Turks because they and the equally stupid Sassanid dynasty kept going to war with each other and impoverishing themselves in the process.

Left both vulnerable to outside challenges while internally both countries rotted from within.

Don't forget being betrayed and sacked by Western European powers!

Posted by: Military Moron at November 19, 2024 11:34 AM (Jo9Pk)

205 Mind you, if I was single and younger, I'd looks seriously at mail order Ukrainian brides. They've lost a generation of men.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024

***
They are cash registers with legs, from what I've heard.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 19, 2024 11:34 AM (J2vNu)

206 It's a Trump trap, they want to have him gov the Russians a ring and sya hold.off

Ground work for russigate 2.0

Posted by: N at November 19, 2024 11:34 AM (8XibL)

207 182 I seriously doubt that Putin is much afraid of invasion from the West. What is more likely is the rising power of China getting diverted northwards where not very many people are but a whole lot of resources to be grabbed.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2024 11:26 AM (ctrM5)

This is a failure to understand Russian perspective on things. From what they've seen, we've been very unreliable/inconsistent(which is historically normal for the US) in our diplomatic communications, and periodically toppling governments, even allied or compliant ones, over the last couple decades without rhyme or reason.

A move into Ukraine by NATO looks like setting up for a quick drive into Moscow.

Publicly talking about getting rid of Putin(and what may have been an assassination attempt that killed his favored driver before the current war) probably doesn't help matters either.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at November 19, 2024 11:31 AM (eYoxG)

Jah, the US has not been the good guy here.
And may not have been for a long time, which is a...grim thought for me.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 11:34 AM (xcxpd)

208 Why? What is the benefit of spilling American blood for Europe?

They don't give a shit to save themselves, why should we???
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 11:33 AM (3t4sN)

For Lafayette!

Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2024 11:35 AM (dGCAG)

209 Re: ammo and munitions

Ask people in western NC about availability of power poles.

And they're just made of trees.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 11:35 AM (AAvt3)

210
It could be over right now, if we'd agree to that, and if Trump's team is smart, they will.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2024 11:31 AM (dGCAG)

Could end up being the opposite. Uke gives up land in exchange for being allowed in nato.

Posted by: ... at November 19, 2024 11:35 AM (gf6ih)

211 Two weeks since the glorious Trump victory and after a few days of leftist tears, freaks out and even a tiny bit of truth telling and reflection the Dems/MSM complex are back into full attack mode and nothing in their insane agenda and contempt for America has changed, none that I can detect anyway. Damn the torpedoes, the narrative must be restored.

Posted by: Ripley at November 19, 2024 11:35 AM (GUOwU)

212 Let's be honest - Ukraine is Biden's War. Lets get rid of Biden.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 19, 2024 11:35 AM (jFCkp)

213 The Clintons' obsession with China; Obama's with the Middle East, and Biden's with the Balkan region, Russia

J&J Biden: They spent their honeymoon at Lake Balaton in the Hungarian People's Republic, behind the Iron Curtain; the destination was chosen upon the recommendation of Hungarian-born Biden staffer Tom Lantos. Early Life and Career of Joe Biden, Wikipedia.

And Beau Biden's Kosovo.

Posted by: L - Rooster today, feather duster tomorrow. But not w/o a fight. at November 19, 2024 11:35 AM (NFX2v)

214 They are cash registers with legs, from what I've heard.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 19, 2024 11:34 AM (J2vNu)

So actual women.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at November 19, 2024 11:35 AM (pohLc)

215 What would happen if Putin decided to declare war on NATO or the US? Treason is only a crime in war time. Trump, Musk and all their compatriots could be arrested and tried for treason before Biden leaves office.

DUmmies, for what? 😂😂😂😂

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 11:31 AM (3t4sN)

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"Because Trump, Musk and all their compatriots are Putin Puppets, duh! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!11enty!!!

Posted by: ShainS -- Dems Haven't Been This Angry Since We Took Their Slaves Away! at November 19, 2024 11:35 AM (MpEy/)

216 Mind you, if I was single and younger, I'd looks seriously at mail order Ukrainian brides. They've lost a generation of men.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

It is way hard integrating different cultures, even more so when the others impoverished

Posted by: N at November 19, 2024 11:36 AM (8XibL)

217 RFKj's positions on many things has been VASTLY overstated to make him sound like more of a loon than he is. Recommend his talk with Tucker.
Posted by: BruceWayne at November 19, 2024 11:34 AM (CIS44)

Bingo!

Why, it's almost as if corporate media lies about people, for their own reasons.

Almost.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2024 11:36 AM (dGCAG)

218 Weapons free on gangs from Latin and South America, we can do. If we had the will. America is self-defended with an unorganized militia.
Posted by: NaCly Dog

A dollar an ear bounty.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 11:36 AM (3t4sN)

219 205 Mind you, if I was single and younger, I'd looks seriously at mail order Ukrainian brides. They've lost a generation of men.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024

***
They are cash registers with legs, from what I've heard.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at November 19, 2024 11:34 AM (J2vNu)

Russian women are, for sure (IME).
Ukrainian women have been more warm and loving while being nearly as beautiful. But my sample size is under a dozen, to be fair.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 11:36 AM (xcxpd)

220 206 It's a Trump trap, they want to have him gov the Russians a ring and sya hold.off

Ground work for russigate 2.0
Posted by: N

Yo, DT! Call me! We should do a collaboration on this.

Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at November 19, 2024 11:36 AM (Jo9Pk)

221 Don’t really understand this line of thinking.

I think some people have spent their whole lives in a US vs USSR mindset and they cannot let it go. Russia is wrong. Russia is always wrong. Russia cannot ever be right. Every person who dies in Russia was murdered by Putin. It's be comical if the implications weren't so serious.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 19, 2024 11:36 AM (ExV1e)

222 For Lafayette!
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We've done that twice. All debts are paid for with the French.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 19, 2024 11:36 AM (jFCkp)

223 Russian recruiting is far exceeding their losses in manpower. Even if you use the phony Ukraine numbers of Russian losses. Which you shouldn't.

Oh, and those who say Russia's economy is suffering? Sure, there's inflation. Guess what, we got it here too! And unlike our government, the Russians are putting measures in place that should halt inflation.

Harsh but necessary measures that no one, not even the new Trump admin, would have the courage to put in place here.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2024 11:22 AM (dGCAG)
==
Yeah. The Russian economy is nowhere near fine. Currency collapsing, inflation rising. Don't get me wrong, done an amazing job with what they are up against. But economically they are fucked.

AS for troops, I assume they are integrating North Korean troops just for fun. Russia has deeper manpower reserves than Ukraine, which is why they will win however the war ends. But Russia has always been an economic backwater, and its just going to get worse.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 19, 2024 11:36 AM (GZYu7)

224 BurtTC

Nordstream was part of a pattern of the US inner Party in the IC kneecapping allies. So the US of A would be the tallest midget on the world dunghill.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 19, 2024 11:36 AM (u82oZ)

225 194
Putin asked for Russia to be allowed to join NATO. We refused. I believe that Putin asked for Russia to be allowed to join the EU. They refused. We cannot spend decades pissing on Russia and then say that they're the bad guy.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 19, 2024 11:30 AM (ExV1e)

They were always going to be either in the US bloc or the Chinese one after the collapse of the USSR. We determined that they were too large to be in the US block without being broken up further.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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When the USSR broke up Boris Yeltsin came to the US, and to the President and before Congress, he asked for US to help Russia to become a capitalist nation. They pissed on his leg.

Posted by: Braenyard - some animals are more equal than others at November 19, 2024 11:36 AM (bxYeq)

226 I seriously doubt that Putin is much afraid of invasion from the West. What is more likely is the rising power of China getting diverted northwards where not very many people are but a whole lot of resources to be grabbed.
---

Russia has always been afraid of invasion. They have a genetic predisposition of invasion fear. Russia has vast flat borders and have dealt with invasion too many times.
Posted by: Braenyard

And the only successful invasion of Russia came from the East (Mongols).

Posted by: Bulg at November 19, 2024 11:37 AM (v6JzV)

227 97
‘ There are five choke points where Russia can forward deploy their military to attempt to stop an invasion. ‘

Are 2 of those on the north and south side of the Pripet marshes?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 19, 2024 11:37 AM (jbnUc)

228 A "hacker" may have accessed the Gaetz ethics investigation report.

Cool. If it's really bad enough to sink him, then so be it. Better sooner than later. If it's a damp squib, then let it be known and let the left make fools of themselves over it. Either way, get it over and done with instead of trying to hang it over his (our) head(s) like a Sword of Damocles.

Posted by: Oddbob at November 19, 2024 11:37 AM (/y8xj)

229 And Beau Biden's Kosovo.

Posted by: L - Rooster today, feather duster tomorrow. But not w/o a fight. at November 19, 2024 11:35 AM (NFX2v)

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Beau's Died Everywhere, Man ...
Including in Kosovo.

Posted by: ShainS -- Dems Haven't Been This Angry Since We Took Their Slaves Away! at November 19, 2024 11:37 AM (MpEy/)

230 It could be over right now, if we'd agree to that, and if Trump's team is smart, they will.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2024 11:31 AM (dGCAG)

Could end up being the opposite. Uke gives up land in exchange for being allowed in nato.
Posted by: ... at November 19, 2024 11:35 AM (gf6ih)

I think the chance Pootin would agree to that is close to zero.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2024 11:37 AM (dGCAG)

231 216 Mind you, if I was single and younger, I'd looks seriously at mail order Ukrainian brides. They've lost a generation of men.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

It is way hard integrating different cultures, even more so when the others impoverished
Posted by: N at November 19, 2024 11:36 AM (8XibL)

This is true. Hell, marriage is hard even without cultural barriers. But...might be a gamble worth taking. I'll take Uke brides over Thai.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 11:37 AM (xcxpd)

232 It could be over right now, if we'd agree to that, and if Trump's team is smart, they will.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2024 11:31 AM (dGCAG)

Could end up being the opposite. Uke gives up land in exchange for being allowed in nato.
Posted by: ..

Ukes give up the Donbas Region in exchange for not being a smoking crater.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 11:37 AM (3t4sN)

233 So he's just like me when it comes to vaccines.

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And likely food.

Everyone is trying to "fact check" him on statements about Fruit Loops right now

https://tinyurl.com/595bmz8z

But they all keep falling flat because they're absurd. And it's a simple question/point. Why do Fruit Loops in Canada use natural flavors like blueberries and carrots, while Fruit Loops in the U.S. use chemicals and dyes that affect the reproductive system?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 11:38 AM (AAvt3)

234 Where the fuck is the UN in all of this?....Useless Nations.
Posted by: BignJames

not enough available kids to bang and then make disappear...

Posted by: Sturmtoddler at November 19, 2024 11:38 AM (nXhwP)

235 Ukes give up the Donbas Region in exchange for not being a smoking crater.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 11:37 AM (3t4sN)

Who says 'no'?

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 19, 2024 11:38 AM (CIS44)

236 Black JEM

Both Russia and Ukraine are setting up for failure. Upon peace, there will be no winners.

Too much damage and too many casualties.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 19, 2024 11:38 AM (u82oZ)

237 Yeah. The Russian economy is nowhere near fine. Currency collapsing, inflation rising. Don't get me wrong, done an amazing job with what they are up against. But economically they are fucked.

AS for troops, I assume they are integrating North Korean troops just for fun. Russia has deeper manpower reserves than Ukraine, which is why they will win however the war ends. But Russia has always been an economic backwater, and its just going to get worse.
Posted by: Black JEM at November 19, 2024 11:36 AM (GZYu7)

Once again, the North Korean thing is mostly a lie.

As for their economy, it's not fine, because we've had an effect on them, but I'd say they're in better shape than we are, long term.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2024 11:39 AM (dGCAG)

238 Where the fuck is the UN in all of this?....Useless Nations.
Posted by: BignJames

Grifting, raping, stealing, murdering, and supporting bad guys. You know, what the UN does best.
Posted by: Cheri

And that's just the East Side of Manhattan.

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at November 19, 2024 11:39 AM (w9Wax)

239 I seriously doubt that Putin is much afraid of invasion from the West. What is more likely is the rising power of China getting diverted northwards where not very many people are but a whole lot of resources to be grabbed.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2024 11:26 AM (ctrM5)
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Not sure China can accomplish even this right now. Though Russia would do well to stop with the nuke threats they make that go unfulfilled. Moscow has told China if they make a play for any Russian mineral assets, every major Chinese city will go up in mushroom clouds.

Does China believe that anymore?

Posted by: Black JEM at November 19, 2024 11:39 AM (GZYu7)

240 2014 was what you say (even if your implications are wrong), and it only increased Putin's appetite. How much is Putin's peace pledge worth? About one visit to the toilet.
Posted by: The Ghost of History at November 19, 2024 11:32 AM (EX4EH)

because the best way to wage a war is to peck around the edges, wasting men, material, prestige and money, and without any end game other than 'more money, more destruction, more death, more suicide by returning vets'.

You know, the way we have been fighting in the Middle East since Gulf War II.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 19, 2024 11:39 AM (D7oie)

241 Russia has always been afraid of invasion. They have a genetic predisposition of invasion fear. Russia has vast flat borders and have dealt with invasion too many times.
Posted by: Braenyard
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You might as well say that France and Germany have great fears of being invaded by the other. Add the UK from France invading again. I don't cotton to the idea that bad behavior is excused by geopolitics nor do I believe arguing over and over again muh history from the 17th and 18th century excuses invasions of sovereign nations.

Putin's geopolitical stupidity has put both Finland and Sweden in the NATO camp which is a vast change from both of them. He is trying to assert Russian ownership of Moldova as well as Odessa. And asserted the same stupidity that Mustache Man espoused when arguing about the Danzig corridor or demanding the Sudetenland with the Reich being a guarantor of Germans whatever country they might be in at the moment.

Germany has a long history of being invaded from the East as well as the West (if you count Romans, even from the South).

That is no excuse for bad behavior and violations of the Westphalian state system since 1648.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2024 11:39 AM (ctrM5)

242 And the only successful invasion of Russia came from the East (Mongols).
Posted by: Bulg at November 19, 2024 11:37 AM (v6JzV)

Sweden has entered the chat
France has entered the chat
Germany has entered the chat

...yes I know you said 'successful' but even unsuccessful (as in they don't stay and rule) can/does cause massive death and destruciton.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 11:39 AM (xcxpd)

243 Carrot-flavored Froot Loops?

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at November 19, 2024 11:39 AM (LxER7)

244 Where the fuck is the UN in all of this?....Useless Nations.
Posted by: BignJames

No vig, bidens got everything

Posted by: N at November 19, 2024 11:39 AM (8XibL)

245 226 I seriously doubt that Putin is much afraid of invasion from the West. What is more likely is the rising power of China getting diverted northwards where not very many people are but a whole lot of resources to be grabbed.
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Russia has always been afraid of invasion. They have a genetic predisposition of invasion fear. Russia has vast flat borders and have dealt with invasion too many times.
Posted by: Braenyard

And the only successful invasion of Russia came from the East (Mongols).

Posted by: Bulg at November 19, 2024 11:37 AM (v6JzV)

They had a bad time with the Poles and Swedes for a while.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at November 19, 2024 11:40 AM (eYoxG)

246 Germany has a long history of being invaded from the East as well as the West (if you count Romans, even from the South).

That is no excuse for bad behavior and violations of the Westphalian state system since 1648.
Posted by: whig at November 19, 2024 11:39 AM (ctrM5)

It's not an excuse. It's just an explanation of Russian mindset and paranoia. I don't know if their fears are logical or not, but I do know you can't argue them out of it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 11:40 AM (xcxpd)

247 Why do Fruit Loops in Canada use natural flavors like blueberries and carrots, while Fruit Loops in the U.S. use chemicals and dyes that affect the reproductive system?
Posted by: Moron Robbie

Because artificial flavors are cheaper and much more flavorful than natural shit?

Posted by: Sad Truth at November 19, 2024 11:40 AM (Jo9Pk)

248 There are five choke points where Russia can forward deploy their military to attempt to stop an invasion. ‘

Are 2 of those on the north and south side of the Pripet marshes?
Posted by: Dr. Claw

I belly crawled thru there on COD.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 11:40 AM (3t4sN)

249 Carrot-flavored Froot Loops?
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher

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Dyes. This is the NYT attempting to "fact check" him by proving his point for him:

"The ingredient list is roughly the same, although Canada’s has natural colorings made from blueberries and carrots while the U.S. product contains red dye 40, yellow 5 and blue 1 as well as Butylated hydroxytoluene, or BHT, a lab-made chemical that is used “for freshness,” according to the ingredient label."

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 11:41 AM (AAvt3)

250 A little ticking bomb for Donny. Remember when Trump timed the withdrawal from Afganistan to occur on Biden's watch knowing it, like all retreats, was going to be a shit show?

But remember: we're the dumb ones who read misinformation!

Posted by: Lizzy at November 19, 2024 11:25 AM (u1uWe)

shakes head...like I've got some form of palsy.

Posted by: BignJames at November 19, 2024 11:41 AM (Yj6Os)

251
That is no excuse for bad behavior and violations of the Westphalian state system since 1648.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2024 11:39 AM (ctrM5)

The US attacked Germany over the Zimmerman telegram which was way less threatening.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at November 19, 2024 11:41 AM (eYoxG)

252 Because artificial flavors are cheaper and much more flavorful than natural shit?
Posted by: Sad Truth

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Post 2020? I would be pretty happy if that were the reason.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 11:42 AM (AAvt3)

253 218 Weapons free on gangs from Latin and South America, we can do. If we had the will. America is self-defended with an unorganized militia.
Posted by: NaCly Dog
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On the border, give Boomers free hook-ups for their rigs and letters of Marq. It would free up a lot of law enforcement and military.

Posted by: Braenyard - some animals are more equal than others at November 19, 2024 11:42 AM (bxYeq)

254 I was less than thrilled with Trump's nomination of RFK Jr, believing he was something of a lefty loose cannon. But I was wrong about him in at least one respect: I thought he opposed vaccines. He does not. He has refused the Covid "vaccine" only.

Remember... everything the media tells you about everything is a lie. If they tell you it's raining, look out the window.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 19, 2024 11:42 AM (ExV1e)

255 I am advised that it should be Letters of Marque.

Posted by: Braenyard - some animals are more equal than others at November 19, 2024 11:43 AM (bxYeq)

256 Grifting, raping, stealing, murdering, and supporting bad guys. You know, what the UN does best.
Posted by: Cheri

And that's just the East Side of Manhattan.
Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks

We'd love to get into Palestine and help rebuild schools and fill orphanages, but the damned Israelis are capitulating and playing ball to our impotent international pressure this time.

Posted by: UN Pedos at November 19, 2024 11:43 AM (Jo9Pk)

257 Just curious, Black JEM...where do you get the information used for your assessment of the Russian economy?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at November 19, 2024 11:43 AM (luW68)

258 Not sure China can accomplish even this right now. Though Russia would do well to stop with the nuke threats they make that go unfulfilled. Moscow has told China if they make a play for any Russian mineral assets, every major Chinese city will go up in mushroom clouds.

Does China believe that anymore?
Posted by: Black JEM
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I am sure that China is ramping up antimissile defense given that the US has been an open book to Chinese spies for so long. There is also a strong possibility, as of US nukes, that a number of them might be damp fizzes but the Chinese nukes are relatively new.

Economic penetration eventually ends up being de facto control and then de jure control usually follows. Remember, the Chinese are just like Putin, they never forget a territorial claim.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2024 11:43 AM (ctrM5)

259 How easily people forget things even a few years ago. A border dispute? Putin tried to conquer the entire country. A helicopter assault on the capital, with ground forces just behind them. Some even made it to Kiev, but the massive tank column was stopped before it could get there.
Posted by: The Ghost of History at November 19, 2024 11:32 AM (EX4EH)

WHY did it stop? WHY did it turn around? Because they had a draft treaty. A draft treaty that Ukraine was told to rip up and so they did.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 19, 2024 11:43 AM (ExV1e)

260 213. Oh, to be King of the World! (Titanic)

Excellent Rant, CBD. Thanks.

Posted by: L - Rooster today, feather duster tomorrow. But not w/o a fight. at November 19, 2024 11:44 AM (NFX2v)

261 Q: Why is the army spending $15M to upgrade reserve M60 machine guns?

A: They will give them to Ukraine.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 19, 2024 11:44 AM (aD39U)

262 while the U.S. product contains red dye 40, yellow 5 and blue 1 as well as Butylated hydroxytoluene, or BHT, a lab-made chemical that is used “for freshness,” according to the ingredient label."
Posted by: Moron Robbie

A non-nutrative ceral varnish.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 11:44 AM (3t4sN)

263 I am advised that it should be Letters of Marque.
Posted by: Braenyard - some animals are more equal than others at November 19, 2024 11:43 AM (bxYeq)

There are marques all over this letter, could I have a clean one please?

Posted by: Kindltot at November 19, 2024 11:44 AM (D7oie)

264 Posted by: Braenyard
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And the only successful invasion of Russia came from the East (Mongols).

Posted by: Bulg at November 19, 2024 11:37 AM (v6JzV)

They had a bad time with the Poles and Swedes for a while.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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Finland waves hi~

Posted by: Braenyard - some animals are more equal than others at November 19, 2024 11:44 AM (bxYeq)

265 Remember... everything the media tells you about everything is a lie. If they tell you it's raining, look out the window.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 19, 2024 11:42 AM (ExV1e)

Told my sis (trotskyite) just that on Sunday...she's all in on internment camps and children in cages.

Posted by: BignJames at November 19, 2024 11:44 AM (Yj6Os)

266 As for their economy, it's not fine, because we've had an effect on them, but I'd say they're in better shape than we are, long term.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 19, 2024 11:39 AM (dGCAG)
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That is really not even arguable. Just take a step back from the ledge. Do we have a large public debt to deal with after the last 20 years of stupid spending? Yep.

We are the world's reserve currency still. We have the biggest, most efficient economy on the planet, we attract massive amounts of foreign capital. Russia was never more than a third world economy with a first world military. Their currency is at all time lows against the dollar. They do have an inflation problem much more serious than even our problems - which is understandable given what they are up against. Their central bank leader has been brilliant in keeping it all together. But they are in a world of hurt, and the after effects of this war will be tough for them to recover from.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 19, 2024 11:44 AM (GZYu7)

267 I'll take Uke brides over Thai.
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Uke brides come with big tires.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 19, 2024 11:45 AM (jFCkp)

268
There are marques all over this letter, could I have a clean one please?
Posted by: Kindltot
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Put a little hydrogen peroxide on it.

Posted by: Braenyard - some animals are more equal than others at November 19, 2024 11:46 AM (bxYeq)

269 How easily people forget things even a few years ago. A border dispute? Putin tried to conquer the entire country. A helicopter assault on the capital, with ground forces just behind them. Some even made it to Kiev, but the massive tank column was stopped before it could get there.

Posted by: The Ghost of History at November 19, 2024 11:32 AM (EX4EH)

90% of Russia's forces were in the east of the country. Less Russian troops were in that push than Ukrainian ones on the defensive side. It got farther than they expected(hence the lack of supply and reinforcement) and was meant more to draw eastern forces back than anything else

If they had somehow lucked out and taken Kiev like they had done to Georgia's capitol, why would we assume the peace terms would be very different? Russia does like quick strikes if they can be executed, but hasn't been grabbing stuff that would be troublesome.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at November 19, 2024 11:46 AM (eYoxG)

270 Pudinhead

Ukes have birthing hips. Some 'rons want that.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 19, 2024 11:46 AM (u82oZ)

271 Yes, how easily people forget things even a few years ago.

The Moscow theater hostage crisis (also known as the 2002 Nord-Ost siege) was the seizure of the crowded Dubrovka Theater in Moscow by Chechen terrorists on 23 October 2002, resulting in the taking of 912 hostages.

Posted by: L - Rooster today, feather duster tomorrow. But not w/o a fight. at November 19, 2024 11:46 AM (NFX2v)

272 Lady in Black, perhaps it's the smell of the antifreeze. I've read warnings for years that if you change your own antifreeze, not to let it run all over the place -- not for any real or imagined harm to "the planet," but because your cats or others could be killed by it.

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Good advise for sure, Wolfus. Cats and other animals would possibly drink it for other reasons if it were sitting there in a puddle. Heck, it's been used by spouses to poison their other halves!

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 19, 2024 11:46 AM (qBdHI)

273 But Hegseth has a tattoo.

Posted by: Karen in the coffee shop at November 19, 2024 11:46 AM (DobEs)

274 Who knew that we still have big stocks of M60s? Not me.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 19, 2024 11:47 AM (aD39U)

275 I'll take Uke brides over Thai.
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Uke brides come with big tires.
Posted by: Pudinhead

Thai brides come with peen.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 11:47 AM (3t4sN)

276 We are the world's reserve currency still. We have the biggest, most efficient economy on the planet, we attract massive amounts of foreign capital. Russia was never more than a third world economy with a first world military. Their currency is at all time lows against the dollar. They do have an inflation problem much more serious than even our problems - which is understandable given what they are up against. Their central bank leader has been brilliant in keeping it all together. But they are in a world of hurt, and the after effects of this war will be tough for them to recover from.

You have never been in a fistfight with a guy that has a subhuman iq and retard strength, they are not thinking about the things non retards d

Posted by: N at November 19, 2024 11:47 AM (8XibL)

277 And the only successful invasion of Russia came from the East (Mongols).
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Please note, Russia are the ones that defeated the Mongols. They have a country of at least 12 time zones to show for it.

Posted by: Pudinhead at November 19, 2024 11:47 AM (jFCkp)

278 The US attacked Germany over the Zimmerman telegram which was way less threatening.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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That is because Zimmerman specifically called twice for Mexico to turn on the US and invade. The second occurred after the first one was publicly revealed. And Zimmerman had the stupidity to public avow sending the telegraphs in a news conference despite a NYT reporter (who was a spy for Germany) trying to wave them off.

Then you are forgetting sinking neutral ships and which is generally a casus belli.

I don't forget the Putin sending the Wagner group after US troops in Syria either. His first name must be Todd becuz f*ck that guy in particular.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2024 11:47 AM (ctrM5)

279 Russia was never more than a third world economy with a first world military.

When I was working at the On-Site Inspection Agency, we used to say that Russia was Burkina Faso with nukes.

Posted by: Bulg at November 19, 2024 11:47 AM (v6JzV)

280 I'm starting to just root for Russia at this point. Zelensky in the US campaigning for kamala, we just need to cut this clown off at the knees.

Posted by: Leupold at November 19, 2024 11:48 AM (4pwAx)

281 Thai brides come with peen.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices

I told you, it's just an 8" clit!!!

Posted by: Michelle Obama at November 19, 2024 11:48 AM (Jo9Pk)

282 Pudinhead

Ukes have birthing hips. Some 'rons want that.
Posted by: NaCly Dog

Just like the mid-80's East German women's powerlifting team.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 11:48 AM (3t4sN)

283 while the U.S. product contains red dye 40, yellow 5 and blue 1 as well as Butylated hydroxytoluene, or BHT, a lab-made chemical that is used “for freshness,” according to the ingredient label."
Posted by: Moron Robbie

A non-nutrative ceral varnish.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 11:44 AM (3t4sN)

Semi-permeable. It's not osmotic.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at November 19, 2024 11:48 AM (aYubz)

284 I don't really feel like the Russians are the bad guys here, we need to stop trying to push NATO right up to their border, that's why all of this happened because of NATO expansionism, not Russian expansionism.

Posted by: Shoey77 at November 19, 2024 11:48 AM (GFZrq)

285 Who knew that we still have big stocks of M60s? Not me.

Nice whan they need something for guard towers at camps

Posted by: N at November 19, 2024 11:48 AM (8XibL)

286 148
‘ If we really wanted to hurt Russia, we'd be drilling and exporting energy.’

Yes. That’s the way to get Russia to negotiate. Non-violent but very painful and effective.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 19, 2024 11:48 AM (jbnUc)

287 It's also a floor wax.

Posted by: Just the punchline at November 19, 2024 11:48 AM (DobEs)

288 “ Great! What did Ukraine gain from this strike? No doubt a tactical victory...soldiers killed and materiel destroyed. But will it turn the tide of this dispute? “

It’s war. Putin moved his missiles out of counter fire range, attacked, and then dared the OPFOR to take them out with increased ranging. They said hold my beer and did it Now he’s mad and gonna go nuclear. Sure thing, little man.

Here is an idea. Call for a ceasefire and negotiate. Stop trying to doink people in the ass and make gains before you get forced to the table. Problem solved.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 19, 2024 11:48 AM (ibKjr)

289 Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 19, 2024 11:43 AM (ExV1e)

Saved by nic close tags.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 19, 2024 11:49 AM (ExV1e)

290 The missile attack is like begging Russia to defeat Ukraine and occupy.
- or -
Classic terrorist attack in the hopes of gaining world-wide sympathy when justified retribution is made....

The power of "and"?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 19, 2024 11:49 AM (GNYMB)

291 Leupold

Zelensky has made a number of poor decisions. Remarkable he is still in power, as a dictator.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 19, 2024 11:49 AM (u82oZ)

292 It's World Toilet Day, by the way. How are YOU observing it?
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

Hopefully not the same way you observe Labor Day.

Posted by: mikeski at November 19, 2024 11:49 AM (HL1GB)

293 birthing hips. Some 'rons want that.
Posted by: NaCly Dog

Not everything you see with the interwebs is true,especially ads at 3am

Posted by: N at November 19, 2024 11:49 AM (8XibL)

294 Please note, Russia are the ones that defeated the Mongols. They have a country of at least 12 time zones to show for it.
Posted by: Pudinhead

Well, kinda-sorta. The Mongol/Tatar states were pretty thoroughly trounced by Tamerlane, which weakened them enough so that the Russians could throw off their yoke.

Posted by: Bulg at November 19, 2024 11:50 AM (v6JzV)

295 We are the world's reserve currency still. We have the biggest, most efficient economy on the planet,

Honestly, how? What do we manufacture and sell that the rest of the world needs?

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 11:50 AM (3t4sN)

296 birthing hips. Some 'rons want that.
Posted by: NaCly Dog

Better if you go with the sexy over 40s in your city

Posted by: N at November 19, 2024 11:50 AM (8XibL)

297 >>> It looks like this time Ol' Joe is giving Donny a little present on his way out the door.

DU of course sees the slaughter of people in war and the start of WW3 this way.

Posted by: LizLem, Lord of the Rings and the Reckonings at November 19, 2024 11:50 AM (wcIbG)

298 Here is an idea. Call for a ceasefire and negotiate. Stop trying to doink people in the ass and make gains before you get forced to the table. Problem solved.
Posted by: Marcus T at November 19, 2024 11:48 AM (ibKjr)

Nuland et al want a war. They hold the executive office. They have Lloyd. There won't be any ceasefire.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 19, 2024 11:50 AM (D7oie)

299 278 The US attacked Germany over the Zimmerman telegram which was way less threatening.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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That is because Zimmerman specifically called twice for Mexico to turn on the US and invade. The second occurred after the first one was publicly revealed. And Zimmerman had the stupidity to public avow sending the telegraphs in a news conference despite a NYT reporter (who was a spy for Germany) trying to wave them off.

Then you are forgetting sinking neutral ships and which is generally a casus belli.

I don't forget the Putin sending the Wagner group after US troops in Syria either. His first name must be Todd becuz f*ck that guy in particular.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2024 11:47 AM (ctrM5)

We've encouraged Ukrainian attacks on Russian forces in the secessionist regions leading up to the 2022 conflict.

I don't really begrudge anyone for attacks on arms shipments to enemy countries.

The US struck the Russian mercenaries involved without reprisal.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at November 19, 2024 11:51 AM (eYoxG)

300 It's just a minor incursion.

Posted by: A well meaning elderly man with a poor memory at November 19, 2024 11:51 AM (DobEs)

301 Ironic that Mork and Mindy, oops, Mika and Joe are getting canceled by their own kind.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at November 19, 2024 11:51 AM (pohLc)

302 Beau's been everywhere, man
Beau's been everywhere, man
Crossed the deserts bare, man
Beau's breathed mountain air, man
Of travel I've had my share, man
Beau's been everywhere

Beau's been to Reno, Chicago, Fargo, Minnesota
Buffalo, Toronto, Winslow, Sarasota
Wichita, Tulsa, Ottawa, Oklahoma
Tampa, Panama, Mattawa, La Paloma
Bangor, Baltimore, Salvador, Amarillo
Tocapillo, Baranquilla, and Perdilla, I'm a killer

Posted by: The Man in Black Fishnet Stockings at November 19, 2024 11:51 AM (w9Wax)

303 N

40 Year olds? Nay, brother.

How do their moms look and emote?

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 19, 2024 11:51 AM (u82oZ)

304 Honestly, how? What do we manufacture and sell that the rest of the world needs?
Posted by: rickb223

We are the guys that do the high end low volume things

Posted by: N at November 19, 2024 11:52 AM (8XibL)

305 294 Please note, Russia are the ones that defeated the Mongols. They have a country of at least 12 time zones to show for it.
Posted by: Pudinhead

Well, kinda-sorta. The Mongol/Tatar states were pretty thoroughly trounced by Tamerlane, which weakened them enough so that the Russians could throw off their yoke.

Posted by: Bulg at November 19, 2024 11:50 AM (v6JzV)

Which is in some sense an internal war. The Mongols fell to internal conflict for the most part and broke up into much smaller countries.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at November 19, 2024 11:52 AM (eYoxG)

306 150
‘ Don't even get me going on Britain (or what remains of it).’

Sorry but I have to.
Britain needs a hard kick in the ass to remind them who’s boss.
And we should help the British understand that the Labour Party is Sinn Fein as far as we’re concerned.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 19, 2024 11:52 AM (jbnUc)

307 40 Year olds? Nay, brother.

How do their moms look and emote?
Posted by: NaCly Dog

Posted by: N at November 19, 2024 11:52 AM (8XibL)

308 Oh, and to tie it all together, remember the Steele Dossier?

Hillary paid for that, remember? McCain was tied to it, too. May 2016 IIRC.

Remember what it set off?

"June 2016

Some 31,000 Polish, US and other troops are participating in the land, sea and air exercises called Anaconda-16.

It comes weeks before a Nato summit at which leaders are expected to decide to base a significant number of Nato troops in Poland and the Baltic states."

https://tinyurl.com/55vccjju

It's neat to realize that the Clintons and McCains were DIRECTLY involved in getting us into this pointless Ukraine debacle.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 11:53 AM (AAvt3)

309 How is Ukraine going to win a war of attrition against Russia? Isn't that the bottom line?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at November 19, 2024 11:53 AM (aD39U)

310 It's not an excuse. It's just an explanation of Russian mindset and paranoia. I don't know if their fears are logical or not, but I do know you can't argue them out of it.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Too many people have the mindset that becuz they think that way, it is not to be shamed and mocked by others. Muslims have the idea of a worldwide caliphate, Germany and France had a dream of a vast Euroland run by them, and so on.

Russia has invaded about as many small countries as it has gotten invaded over the years and I care not for whatever historical tick they have of claiming they are always victims.

They are a historical cry bully.

Does not mean I support the Ukraine war nor NATO membership because I thought it was stupid from the get go. That does not excuse Russia's bad behavior globally for centuries.

I thought and claimed for a long time that NATO should be disbanded or at least the US leave it to the Euros to run.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2024 11:53 AM (ctrM5)

311 Is there a French word for screwing a Russian as though he were an American Indian.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at November 19, 2024 11:53 AM (bFM6Y)

312 Britain is over, screw the brits

Posted by: N at November 19, 2024 11:54 AM (8XibL)

313
On the border, give Boomers free hook-ups for their rigs and letters of Marq. It would free up a lot of law enforcement and military.
Posted by: Braenyard - some animals are more equal than others at November 19, 2024 11:42 AM (bxYeq)

_________

I'd like one of those state colonelcies. That would be snazzy.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 19, 2024 11:54 AM (dxSpM)

314 Make no mistake, Putin wants a war too. He feels it’s winnable. His troopers and a lot of the civilians, not so much. It’s costing a countless KIA every day on both sides. Putin thinks he can run out the clock and force Ukraine to cede territory and then call it a W.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 19, 2024 11:54 AM (ibKjr)

315 whig

US out of NATO.

UN out of US.

Sounds like a good plan.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 19, 2024 11:54 AM (u82oZ)

316 Ukraine was destined to lose this war from the start, no matter how many delusional fools thought different.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at November 19, 2024 11:54 AM (pohLc)

317 309 How is Ukraine going to win a war of attrition against Russia? Isn't that the bottom line?
Posted by: G'rump928(c)
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You won't like the answer--it is to escalate and take the war home to areas like St. Petersburg and Moscow. That is likely to result in similar reprisals and so it goes.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2024 11:55 AM (ctrM5)

318 It’s war. Putin moved his missiles out of counter fire range, attacked, and then dared the OPFOR to take them out with increased ranging. They said hold my beer and did it Now he’s mad and gonna go nuclear. Sure thing, little man.

Here is an idea. Call for a ceasefire and negotiate. Stop trying to doink people in the ass and make gains before you get forced to the table. Problem solved.
Posted by: Marcus T

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The problem is he rightfully points out that those "Ukraininan" missiles were supplied by us, launched using our systems, and controlled/navigated using our systems.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 11:55 AM (AAvt3)

319 The Zimmerman telegram was intercepted because the dopey Germans sent it over an English controlled cable. Kind of funny that now cables are being cut in the Baltic

Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 19, 2024 11:55 AM (/y7Fe)

320 Just curious, Black JEM...where do you get the information used for your assessment of the Russian economy?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at November 19, 2024 11:43 AM (luW6

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You can find all sorts of reports in the international economic press on inflation, ruble values, etc. Heck, WSJ, and Yahoo will have a bunch of compilations.

The reason we trade little with Russia is because little of what we make can they use. Having been previously in the heavy industry business, in a firm owned by a Russian oligarch, who wanted us to do business with mother Russia, it was amazing how little they could even incorporate into their heavy industry needs, their technology was so many generations behind us, we just didn't make anything any more they could use. They are a commodity driven economy, who will be able to feed itself and keep the lights on. But not much more than that. This war, coupled with a young man flight as the war started (of their educated talented class), leaves them in a tough spot.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 19, 2024 11:55 AM (GZYu7)

321 Russia has invaded about as many small countries as it has gotten invaded over the years and I care not for whatever historical tick they have of claiming they are always victims.

They are a historical cry bully.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2024 11:53 AM (ctrM5)

Which is irrelevant to the fact that their behavior in this case is entirely within historical norms for countries. We wouldn't tolerate this kind of threat and neither would have the European powers when they were still independent. It's not sane to let rivals set up military outposts next to your capitol.

Moreover, we don't gain anything by doing this.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at November 19, 2024 11:55 AM (eYoxG)

322 Ukraine was destined to lose this war from the start, no matter how many delusional fools thought different.
Posted by: Xipe Totec

Yep.

Posted by: Bulg at November 19, 2024 11:55 AM (v6JzV)

323 311 Is there a French word for screwing a Russian as though he were an American Indian.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at November 19, 2024 11:53 AM (bFM6Y)

Sioux-vide

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at November 19, 2024 11:56 AM (LxER7)

324 It would be nice were letters of marque given to those that intercepted coyotes giving the right to the humans they are trafficking

Posted by: N at November 19, 2024 11:56 AM (8XibL)

325 You won't like the answer--it is to escalate and take the war home to areas like St. Petersburg and Moscow. That is likely to result in similar reprisals and so it goes.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2024 11:55 AM (ctrM5)

That is the one thing guaranteed to mobilize the Russian people. And besides, Ukraine simply isn't big enough to do that.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 19, 2024 11:56 AM (d9fT1)

326 We started this war and now we are trying to get him to go nuclear before Trump takes office.

And if Trump attempts any foreign policy prior to taking office it's a big time crime.

Gotta hand it to them, the pro war folks are dedicated.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 11:56 AM (AAvt3)

327 The Uke’s have been holding their own. There has been some shifts on the battlefield but for the most part it’s pretty static. That’s why Putin is going after civilian infrastructure. He wants to try and break their will to fight. It’s not. It’s only causing more casualties and destruction. It’s just stupid stuff at this point.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 19, 2024 11:56 AM (ibKjr)

328 The problem is he rightfully points out that those "Ukraininan" missiles were supplied by us, launched using our systems, and controlled/navigated using our systems.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 11:55 AM (AAvt3)
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Who invaded who? No good guys here. But once you start firing, you never know where the return will come from.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 19, 2024 11:56 AM (GZYu7)

329 whig

The manpower in White Russian cities is mostly untapped. A deeper invasion would be the Great Patriotic War #2.

And Russia mobilizing made WWI unstoppable. So let's not get Russia to mobilize. .

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 19, 2024 11:57 AM (u82oZ)

330 Here is an idea. Call for a ceasefire and negotiate. Stop trying to doink people in the ass and make gains before you get forced to the table. Problem solved.
Posted by: Marcus T

Here's the thing... Russia negotiated. They had an agreement. Ukraine reneged. Why would Russia have a ceasefire again?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 19, 2024 11:57 AM (ExV1e)

331 It's hot in Siam, why wouldn't they want ice cream?

Posted by: Skip at November 19, 2024 11:57 AM (AYz4A)

332 The problem is he rightfully points out that those "Ukraininan" missiles were supplied by us, launched using our systems, and controlled/navigated using our systems.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 11:55 AM (AAvt3)
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Who invaded who? No good guys here. But once you start firing, you never know where the return will come from.
Posted by: Black JEM

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See NATO speech / statement above. Or I'll just repost it. Putin tried, NATO engaged:

NATO:

" The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn't sign that...

So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders. "

https://tinyurl.com/ycduun58

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 11:57 AM (AAvt3)

333 280 I'm starting to just root for Russia at this point.
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Rooting for Zelensky is rooting for DeepState.

Posted by: Braenyard - some animals are more equal than others at November 19, 2024 11:58 AM (bxYeq)

334 You can find all sorts of reports in the international economic press on inflation, ruble values, etc. Heck, WSJ, and Yahoo will have a bunch of compilations.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 19, 2024 11:55 AM (GZYu7)

Which is mostly delusional. An economy producing high end goods dependent on commodity imports is fragile, it gets cut off and they're screwed(we aren't that because we're large and diversified though). Russia has lower building blocks(commodities) all the way up to reasonably advanced capital goods production. They aren't as vulnerable to supply shocks as some European countries.

China has the commodity issue somewhat. They also produce capital goods and advanced consumer goods. Russia mostly lacks on advanced consumer goods, which isn't really that important.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at November 19, 2024 11:58 AM (eYoxG)

335 Addendum:

Ukraine isn't NATO. I know people are confused about that, but it's true.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 11:58 AM (AAvt3)

336 I kinda doubt Putin goes nuke, but I'd not be a bit surprised to see a few rooskie missiles in Cuba, or Mexico (in the hands of cartels...with "advisors") that threaten the US. Ft Bliss in Texas, Ft Huachuca in AZ, San Diego Naval Base...our border is a target rich environment.
That is, of course, if he can get them there before Trump.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 19, 2024 11:59 AM (W/lyH)

337 The Zimmerman telegram was intercepted because the dopey Germans sent it over an English controlled cable. Kind of funny that now cables are being cut in the Baltic
Posted by: Smell the Glove

Barbara Tuchman's book The Zimmermann Telegram is highly recommended.

Posted by: Bulg at November 19, 2024 11:59 AM (v6JzV)

338 The easiest way to understand this is to remember the Cuban Missile Crisis.

It's that, except we're the USSR this time.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 11:59 AM (AAvt3)

339 Well, except we're actually shooting missiles and rejecting diplomacy and peace talks.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 12:00 PM (AAvt3)

340 It is a bad idea for the Russians to start throwing buckts of sunshine, since there's no guarantee they work, then they're screwed

Posted by: N at November 19, 2024 12:00 PM (8XibL)

341 Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 19, 2024 11:36 AM (ExV1e)

You are correct.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at November 19, 2024 12:00 PM (eZwyX)

342 We've encouraged Ukrainian attacks on Russian forces in the secessionist regions leading up to the 2022 conflict.

I don't really begrudge anyone for attacks on arms shipments to enemy countries.

The US struck the Russian mercenaries involved without reprisal.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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It was an attack. Same as Putin nearly got into a war with the US over Georgia but GWB putting C-130's on the ground at Tblisi probably stopped a decapitation strike.

Regarding international boundaries, the Russian separatists do not get a special pass any more than the US gave the South during a civil war. The lines of the Ukraine were set during the demise of the Soviet Union and agreed upon by its Russian successor.

You seem to be arguing that might makes right. It doesn't. Under that rationale, Saddam was justified in invading Kuwait over its slant drilling techniques. China is justified in invading Taiwan to reclaim a territory because China ruled it for a century or so despite the natives dislike for the mainlanders. I can go on and on.

Too many people have special pleading rules for Russia and Putin that they fail to apply to every other country in the world.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2024 12:00 PM (ctrM5)

343 I kinda doubt Putin goes nuke, but I'd not be a bit surprised to see a few rooskie missiles in Cuba, or Mexico (in the hands of cartels...with "advisors") that threaten the US. Ft Bliss in Texas, Ft Huachuca in AZ, San Diego Naval Base...our border is a target rich environment.
That is, of course, if he can get them there before Trump.
Posted by: Diogenes

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If I understand correctly he'd be entirely within his moral rights to do so, too, and we should accept it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 12:00 PM (AAvt3)

344 312 Britain is over, screw the brits
Posted by: N at November 19, 2024 11:54 AM (8XibL)

See, this here is why we need ''N''

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 12:00 PM (xcxpd)

345 That’s why Putin is going after civilian infrastructure.

Putin is targeting the electrical generation and distribution system, which is now being called "civilian".

The slight problem that in every strategic bombing campaign that the United States has conducted - in Germany, in Japan, in North Korea, in North Vietnam, in Yugoslavia, and in Iraq, we have targeted electrical infrastructure.

If targeting electrical infrastructure is a war crime, there is still time to put Bill Clinton and George W. Bush in the dock.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 19, 2024 12:01 PM (uxCna)

346 Exxon, Chevron, and Shell 'invested' billions into ONG leases and Putin is trying to steal them. Or vice versa.

That is all this is about.

Posted by: Danimal28 at November 19, 2024 12:01 PM (klw0w)

347 The problem is he rightfully points out that those "Ukraininan" missiles were supplied by us, launched using our systems, and controlled/navigated using our systems.
Posted by: Moron Robbie

And not really "bought on the open market". Supplied by us for one specific reason. Which makes us part of it.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 12:01 PM (3t4sN)

348 @337 Bulg, yep have a copy in my library. First book she wrote I believe.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 19, 2024 12:01 PM (/y7Fe)

349 It's noon, and we survived, even thrived, on an all CBD morning. Things are going well.

Posted by: Sunny Disposition at November 19, 2024 12:01 PM (nS6qG)

350 Posted by: Braenyard - some animals are more equal than others at November 19, 2024 11:58 AM (bxYeq)

And the Nazis.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at November 19, 2024 12:02 PM (eZwyX)

351 The nazis were socialists

Posted by: N at November 19, 2024 12:02 PM (8XibL)

352 DeepState keeps poking Russia with a stick, their true machinations known only to them. Only those close to them can belay their push until Trump is inaugurated.

Posted by: Braenyard - some animals are more equal than others at November 19, 2024 12:02 PM (bxYeq)

353 There are absolutely no good guys in the Uke war. And that includes the US. But if I was forced to choose between Lil'Z and Putin, I'd choose Putin to support.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at November 19, 2024 12:03 PM (g8Ew8)

354 337 The Zimmerman telegram was intercepted because the dopey Germans sent it over an English controlled cable. Kind of funny that now cables are being cut in the Baltic
Posted by: Smell the Glove

Worse than that. The message was sent over special lines going through Britain that Woodrow Wilson himself reserved for the Germans to negotiate peace with (DC embassy) due to the Brits shutting down other means of communication.

Then Zimmerman was stupid enough to send a second telegraph (the Even Now) after the first was discovered and published AND HE admitted sending the telegraph in a public news conference.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2024 12:03 PM (ctrM5)

355 The problem is he rightfully points out that those "Ukraininan" missiles were supplied by us, launched using our systems, and controlled/navigated using our systems.
Posted by: Moron Robbie

And not really "bought on the open market". Supplied by us for one specific reason. Which makes us part of it.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at

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All to support the aggression of a non-treaty nation.

Again, it's the Cuban Missile Crisis, except we're the bad guys and our commie leaders are rejecting diplomacy and going straight to shooting missiles.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 12:03 PM (AAvt3)

356 And the only successful invasion of Russia came from the East (Mongols).
Posted by: Bulg at November 19, 2024 11:37 AM (v6JzV)

Sweden has entered the chat
France has entered the chat
Germany has entered the chat

...yes I know you said 'successful' but even unsuccessful (as in they don't stay and rule) can/does cause massive death and destruciton.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edward

Yes, of course. Invasioin is always bad. I was just pointing out what I have always thought was an interesting fact -- that the preindustrial, nomadic Mongols accomplished something that the mighty Napoleon and Hitler could not.

Posted by: Bulg at November 19, 2024 12:03 PM (v6JzV)

357 “ The problem is he rightfully points out that those "Ukraininan" missiles were supplied by us, launched using our systems, and controlled/navigated using our systems.”

The Euro’s had SCALP deployed before we even had ATACMS in country. It has a slightly shorter range than our system. But they told the Uke’s not to use it on Russian soil. Putin read that as a tactical advantage and kept moving assets further back. I don’t give a shit whose system it is anyway. The Russians have been using Chinese and Iranian weapons systems the entire time. Almost their entire drone fleet is Iranian. Now they have Nork infantry on the ground.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 19, 2024 12:03 PM (ibKjr)

358 The easiest way to understand this is to remember the Cuban Missile Crisis.

It's that, except we're the USSR this time.
Posted by: Moron Robbie

And we're tossing missiles into South Beach.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 12:03 PM (3t4sN)

359 The easiest way to understand this is to remember the Cuban Missile Crisis.

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Or Kaiser Wilhelm II's "blank check" (or, as the Brits said, "blank cheque") that led to WWI.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at November 19, 2024 12:03 PM (sfDnS)

360 It is a bad idea for the Russians to start throwing buckts of sunshine, since there's no guarantee they work, then they're screwed

An escalation which is quite possible is for Russia to resume nuclear testing to demonstrate that their nukes work.

Putin has already ordered the Russian military to prepare to resume nuclear testing.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 19, 2024 12:04 PM (uxCna)

361 Which is irrelevant to the fact that their behavior in this case is entirely within historical norms for countries. We wouldn't tolerate this kind of threat and neither would have the European powers when they were still independent. It's not sane to let rivals set up military outposts next to your capitol.

Moreover, we don't gain anything by doing this.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at November 19, 2024 11:55 AM (eYoxG)
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Well, that isn't completely true. WE are gaining something of value.

One, we are weakening a historic rival without shedding an ounce of American blood.

Two, we have learned that Russia is no longer a first world military power except for those nukes.

Three, we have gotten a real time look at what drone warfare looks like, especially as it relates to armor and naval strategy. Invaluable really.

And minor fourth, we got rid of a bunch of obsolete weaponry.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 19, 2024 12:04 PM (GZYu7)

362 Think Washing Machines.
Where is the money?
How.

Now.

Brown cow.

Q.

Posted by: Q at November 19, 2024 12:04 PM (xcIvR)

363 Sweden has entered the chat
France has entered the chat
Germany has entered the chat

...yes I know you said 'successful' but even unsuccessful (as in they don't stay and rule) can/does cause massive death and destruciton.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 11:39 AM (xcxpd)

The Poles burned Moscow in the early 1600s. The US Army was shooting Russians in Russia from 1918 to 1920. Russia's fear of invasion is well founded.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at November 19, 2024 12:05 PM (l7Kbv)

364 And we're tossing missiles into South Beach.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at November 19, 2024 12:03 PM (3t4sN)

OT: But I have never seen so many cops in my life as I did in South Beach Miami. Swarming everywhere, every day I was there.

But no gunfire, at least.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 12:05 PM (xcxpd)

365 We should go back to sending manhol lids into space

Posted by: N at November 19, 2024 12:05 PM (8XibL)

366 If I understand correctly he'd be entirely within his moral rights to do so, too, and we should accept it.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 12:00 PM (AAvt3)

Concur.
It's tit for tat.
Venezuelan army in Mexico using Russian missiles.
Very plausible. Even if they never shoot.
The real question is would Putin do it? I suspect he doesn't want a wider war. Nor does he want to be seen as Trump's beyotch, but he will, I think, settle if Trump gives him a viable option..

Posted by: Diogenes at November 19, 2024 12:05 PM (W/lyH)

367 Exxon, Chevron, and Shell 'invested' billions into ONG leases and Putin is trying to steal them. Or vice versa.

That is all this is about.
Posted by: Danimal28 at November 19, 2024 12:01 PM (klw0w)

England has guaranteed loans to Ukraine which Ukraine has already defaulted on. If the war ends in a loss, the UK will have to screw the losses out of the taxpayers or deal with massive inflation, since the banks are too important to eat the loss.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 19, 2024 12:05 PM (D7oie)

368 Maybe if Mexico had attacked as Zimmerman wanted we could have fixed Mexico for a long time.

Posted by: free tibet with purchase of equal or greater value tibet at November 19, 2024 12:05 PM (iNp3L)

369 Two, we have learned that Russia is no longer a first world military power except for those nukes.

You know who else this is true for?

Posted by: Xipe Totec at November 19, 2024 12:06 PM (pohLc)

370 The problem is he rightfully points out that those "Ukraininan" missiles were supplied by us, launched using our systems, and controlled/navigated using our systems.”

The Euro’s had SCALP deployed before we even had ATACMS in country. It has a slightly shorter range than our system. But they told the Uke’s not to use it on Russian soil. Putin read that as a tactical advantage and kept moving assets further back. I don’t give a shit whose system it is anyway. The Russians have been using Chinese and Iranian weapons systems the entire time. Almost their entire drone fleet is Iranian. Now they have Nork infantry on the ground.
Posted by: Marcus T

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+1

That's Putin's point, too. All for a non-treaty nation.

It's why Germany is trying to say "Leave us out of it!!!"

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 12:06 PM (AAvt3)

371 You seem to be arguing that might makes right. It doesn't. Under that rationale, Saddam was justified in invading Kuwait over its slant drilling techniques. China is justified in invading Taiwan to reclaim a territory because China ruled it for a century or so despite the natives dislike for the mainlanders. I can go on and on.

Too many people have special pleading rules for Russia and Putin that they fail to apply to every other country in the world.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2024 12:00 PM (ctrM5)

As I said, Russia's current behavior is not different from any historical European power. It isn't different from US behavior in similar situations. We set the rules when we have power and topple governments when we please, how can we cry about foul play?

Diplomatically encouraging an attack(Zimmerman telegram)=Diplomatically encouraging at attack(on Russian forces)

This was at the same time the Minsk accords were nominally in place, so the US was encouraging attacks and undermining a negotiation process we were pretending to support.

Discussing whether the US should do such things is one thing, but I'm not going to pretend that we weren't starting shit.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at November 19, 2024 12:06 PM (eYoxG)

372 The US Army was shooting Russians in Russia from 1918 to 1920.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli) at November 19, 2024 12:05 PM (l7Kbv)

Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War was quite th CF.

The Czech Legion was awesome, however.

Posted by: Bulg at November 19, 2024 12:06 PM (v6JzV)

373 "Two, we have learned that Russia is no longer a first world military power except for those nukes."

and the Russians are learning the same thing about us, I am afraid.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 19, 2024 12:07 PM (D7oie)

374 Hopefully drone and robot technologies will end war as we have known it. Inshallah,targets will be limited to statists.

Posted by: Oglebay at November 19, 2024 12:07 PM (7fVdQ)

375 About the Froot Loop coloring own-goal fact check by the NYT:

BHA and BHT are banned in other countries. They can possibly impair blood clotting when consumed in high quantities, promote tumor growth, disrupt the endocrine system, and be a respiratory irritant. But yes, let's not do more testing, and shove it down our kids' throats because some lobbyist is giving the FDA kickbacks.

It reminds me of how in Christmas Vacation, his job was to make a coating so the cereal gets less soggy in milk. And then they grease the bottom of a sled with it, and hilarity ensues.

I haven't actually done the research, maybe all these chemicals in my food are fine. But I don't really trust the FDA at this point with my health. RFK wants us to do rigorous checks so we can trust them again.

Posted by: LizLem, Lord of the Rings and the Reckonings at November 19, 2024 12:07 PM (wcIbG)

376 >> Putin is targeting the electrical generation and distribution system, which is now being called "civilian".

The problem with that argument is it’s largely false. Just last week Putin launched a large scale drone attack on power generation across the country. It wasn’t targeted at specific military assets. It was targeted to cause pain to the civilian population. Russia has largely been spared from those type of attacks. The Uke’s have specifically gone after military targets because we and the Euro’s said that was the targeting guidance.

I don’t support this war at all, but anyone thinking Putin is the good guy here is sadly misinformed.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 19, 2024 12:07 PM (ibKjr)

377 DeepState keeps poking Russia with a stick, their true machinations known only to them.

They're trying to screw over Trump by starting a US-Russia war over Ukraine, and presenting him with a fait accompli.

One of the first orders of business for the Trump Administration is to determine who authorized this (God knows it wasn't Biden), and take appropriate steps.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 19, 2024 12:07 PM (uxCna)

378 "Two, we have learned that Russia is no longer a first world military power except for those nukes."

and the Russians are learning the same thing about us, I am afraid.
Posted by: Kindltot

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(insert that image of the troops walking in high heels)

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 12:07 PM (AAvt3)

379 That is the one thing guaranteed to mobilize the Russian people. And besides, Ukraine simply isn't big enough to do that.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Easier than you think--think critical infrastructure.

It might mobilize the people, or it might not. The war is popular among those not having to fight it which is why Putin never went to general conscription. A lot of the troops are coming from the hinterlands to be fed into the meat grinder which is probably going to be a long term problem for Russia. Lots of them are not ethnic Russians and now have a lot of hardened battle experience.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2024 12:07 PM (ctrM5)

380 I miss the good old days when I was campaigning with old lady Emhoff.

Posted by: The Z Man at November 19, 2024 12:07 PM (DobEs)

381 374 Hopefully drone and robot technologies will end war as we have known it. Inshallah,targets will be limited to statists.
Posted by: Oglebay at November 19, 2024 12:07 PM (7fVdQ)

Absolutely!

Posted by: Dr. Gatling at November 19, 2024 12:08 PM (pohLc)

382 190
‘ What was the other "best" alternative? Hasn't it always been that, and everything has just been laundering money?’

Best alternative for Ukraine’s corrupt leaders : them being enriched and NATO winning the war for them.
Best alternative for average Ukrainians?:
Them pushing the Russians out.
Best alternative for our corrupt leaders?: Them getting their pockets filled while hoping Russia spontaneously imploded. (They didn’t prepare at all for a war).
Best alternative for average Americans: The war never happening. That train left the station when FJB reiterated the NATO offer.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 19, 2024 12:08 PM (jbnUc)

383 Ther good or bad thing that everybody is learning is that the way you thought war would be between peer countries is noy what you thought

Posted by: N at November 19, 2024 12:08 PM (8XibL)

384 Well, that isn't completely true. WE are gaining something of value.

One, we are weakening a historic rival without shedding an ounce of American blood.

Two, we have learned that Russia is no longer a first world military power except for those nukes.

Three, we have gotten a real time look at what drone warfare looks like, especially as it relates to armor and naval strategy. Invaluable really.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 19, 2024 12:04 PM (GZYu7)

1. We've forced Russia into China's bloc as opposed to tenuous independence balancing between the two powers. This is a loss, not a gain.
2. This is basically Russian military fighting ex-Russian military(in doctrine, training, and for a while, equipment), parity should be expected.
3. Everyone gets to see this, it's not an exclusive US benefit.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at November 19, 2024 12:09 PM (eYoxG)

385 Sorry, but I can't be bothered with this.
I've got pardons to write.

Posted by: Doctor Jill at November 19, 2024 12:10 PM (DobEs)

386 Hopefully drone and robot technologies will end war as we have known it. Inshallah,targets will be limited to statists.
Posted by: Oglebay at November 19, 2024 12:07 PM (7fVdQ)

Absolutely!
Posted by: Dr. Gatling at November 19, 2024 12:08 PM (pohLc)

*fistbump*

Posted by: Hiram Maxim at November 19, 2024 12:10 PM (aD39U)

387 You know, if you want a fun thought experiment, ask yourself why Russia CANNOT be permitted to join NATO. Who would be harmed?

There are two answers and they're both correct.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 19, 2024 12:10 PM (ExV1e)

388 we survived, even thrived, on an all CBD morning.

Change the to Dildo of Spades.

Posted by: 37 at November 19, 2024 12:10 PM (Vu7A1)

389 N

Wars are easy to start, and without clear victory, hard to end.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 19, 2024 12:10 PM (u82oZ)

390 Which is mostly delusional. An economy producing high end goods dependent on commodity imports is fragile, it gets cut off and they're screwed(we aren't that because we're large and diversified though). Russia has lower building blocks(commodities) all the way up to reasonably advanced capital goods production. They aren't as vulnerable to supply shocks as some European countries.

China has the commodity issue somewhat. They also produce capital goods and advanced consumer goods. Russia mostly lacks on advanced consumer goods, which isn't really that important.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at November 19, 2024 11:58 AM (eYoxG)
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OK, if I was going to be cute, I would call you out for being on Putin's payroll, LOL!

Russia is in a currency crisis - because of sanctions - they cannot even use most credit cards - and neither could you if you managed to travel there. They are forcing visitors to purchase rubles when you enter with your own currency so they can get hard currency in the country. They have good gold access so they use it to facilitate what international trade they have. They are in trouble, by any metric.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 19, 2024 12:11 PM (GZYu7)

391 Is it true that Trump has ordered the Z-Man to wear a suit and tie when he meets with him, he can't pull this Che Guevara cosplay act anymore when visiting the US for handouts? Even if it's fake, I want it to be true!

Posted by: LizLem, Lord of the Rings and the Reckonings at November 19, 2024 12:11 PM (wcIbG)

392 Just last week Putin launched a large scale drone attack on power generation across the country. It wasn’t targeted at specific military assets. It was targeted to cause pain to the civilian population.

Electrical infrastructure has always been designated as a military target. You think we distinguished "military" from "civilian" electrical infrastructure when we were bombing Germany?

We blacked out Yugoslavia repeatedly during the Kosovo War, and announced that we would continue to do so until they withdrew from Kosovo.

We were explicitly blacking out the civilian population of Yugoslavia as a means to get them to surrender.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 19, 2024 12:11 PM (uxCna)

393 Wars are easy to start, and without clear victory, hard to end.
Posted by: NaCly Dog

Yep.

Posted by: Bulg at November 19, 2024 12:11 PM (v6JzV)

394 Turn those EWOK searchlights on in Gotham.

These days, it's a text.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 19, 2024 12:11 PM (u82oZ)

395 There are a lot of top brass and other civilian leadership in Russia who are not please with the Chinese relationship. Don’t be fooled by appearances. They don’t trust the Chinese and see themselves as superior in that alliance- and I’m inclined to believe. The Russians are tough, proud people and don’t want to be seen as bowing down to anyone, especially the CCP.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 19, 2024 12:12 PM (ibKjr)

396 Maybe if Mexico had attacked as Zimmerman wanted we could have fixed Mexico for a long time.
Posted by: free tibet with purchase of equal or greater value tibet at November 19, 2024 12:05 PM (iNp3L)

Mexico's problem is that it was a single party state supported by oil and mining money for far too long, which only creates corruption. Add to that the socialism, which gave a pretext to nationalizing those assets, and the mindset of latifundiae and peonage, it became a lawless and incompetent state that bred gangs to fill the neglected holes. The US would have not fixed Mexico any better than the Dominican Republic, Nicaragua, Guatemala, El Salvador or any other place Wilson invaded.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 19, 2024 12:12 PM (D7oie)

397 Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 19, 2024 12:10 PM (ExV1e)

*in my best Frasier Crane voice*

I’m listening

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at November 19, 2024 12:12 PM (eZwyX)

398 Dildo Of Spades was the garage band name for the group that would go on to become known as The Sex Pistols.
I'm serious.
Not a joke.

Posted by: Back in the day at November 19, 2024 12:12 PM (DobEs)

399 I don’t support this war at all, but anyone thinking Putin is the good guy here is sadly misinformed.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 19, 2024 12:07 PM (ibKjr)

Speaking only for myself, I'm not arguing Putin's the good guy. I'm arguing that he's a rational actor.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at November 19, 2024 12:12 PM (aYubz)

400 “Everything we did was aboveboard,” a former senior FBI official alleged on NBC News.

Sure you did. That's why you are all so scared of an investigation, right?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 19, 2024 12:13 PM (ynpvh)

401 Discussing whether the US should do such things is one thing, but I'm not going to pretend that we weren't starting shit.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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Where did the US encourage Ukraine to invade Russia? Which would be a comparable case, not what you cited.

Simply put, there is no recognizable 'right' to interfere with another country's internal affairs dealing with an internal civil war--it never matters that you are doing so becuz they are ethnics that you like and want back in Mother Russia like in Georgia and Abkhazia.

Your morals seem to be might makes right which in the end means the opposite of peace in Christendom.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2024 12:13 PM (ctrM5)

402 in Mexico the US could have placed a DMZ

Posted by: free tibet with purchase of equal or greater value tibet at November 19, 2024 12:13 PM (iNp3L)

403 399 I don’t support this war at all, but anyone thinking Putin is the good guy here is sadly misinformed.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 19, 2024 12:07 PM (ibKjr)

Speaking only for myself, I'm not arguing Putin's the good guy. I'm arguing that he's a rational actor.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at November 19, 2024 12:12 PM (aYubz)

As compared to the Ayatollahs...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at November 19, 2024 12:13 PM (ynpvh)

404 They are forcing visitors to purchase rubles when you enter with your own currency so they can get hard currency in the country.

You have a cite for that?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 19, 2024 12:14 PM (uxCna)

405 China has the commodity issue somewhat. They also produce capital goods and advanced consumer goods. Russia mostly lacks on advanced consumer goods, which isn't really that important.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at November 19, 2024 11:58 AM (eYox
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China has SOME commodity issues? They import 80% of their energy needs. They import either directly, or the products necessary to support, 70-80% of their food needs.

Russia lacks a bit more than some advanced consumer goods. You sound as silly as those democrats blindly following the Ukrainian klepto state.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 19, 2024 12:14 PM (GZYu7)

406 There are a lot of top brass and other civilian leadership in Russia who are not please with the Chinese relationship. Don’t be fooled by appearances. They don’t trust the Chinese and see themselves as superior in that alliance- and I’m inclined to believe. The Russians are tough, proud people and don’t want to be seen as bowing down to anyone, especially the CCP.
Posted by: Marcus T

Yes, the Russians hate the Chinese. Too ethnically close to the Mongols. Their current alliance is purely one of convenience.

Posted by: Bulg at November 19, 2024 12:14 PM (v6JzV)

407 When everything you do is above board, you do not need to remind everybody that it was

Posted by: N at November 19, 2024 12:14 PM (8XibL)

408 One, we are weakening a historic rival without shedding an ounce of American blood.

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I'm still a tad unclear on the "Russians are bad guys, China is good guys" part.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 12:14 PM (AAvt3)

409 OK, if I was going to be cute, I would call you out for being on Putin's payroll, LOL!

Russia is in a currency crisis - because of sanctions - they cannot even use most credit cards - and neither could you if you managed to travel there. They are forcing visitors to purchase rubles when you enter with your own currency so they can get hard currency in the country. They have good gold access so they use it to facilitate what international trade they have. They are in trouble, by any metric.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 19, 2024 12:11 PM (GZYu7)

Again, this is delusional.

Having TVs and smartphones ten years out of date won't collapse them. They're not externally dependent in the way some other countries are.

It is entirely unsurprising that they outproduce us in artillery shells, but cheerleaders stick their heads in the sand and ignore this.

This reasoning is akin to "Without the cities, farmers would starve". That's not how economies work. Russia internally has a goods pyramid that is only missing advanced consumer goods, which they traded for.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at November 19, 2024 12:14 PM (eYoxG)

410 Well, that isn't completely true. WE are gaining something of value.

So we're engaged in the slaughter of thousands for evil purposes but at least we got paid. Yay us.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 19, 2024 12:14 PM (ExV1e)

411 *kicks dirt*

Posted by: Ace of Dildos at November 19, 2024 12:15 PM (DobEs)

412 When everything you do is above board, you do not need to remind everybody that it was
Posted by: N at November 19, 2024 12:14 PM (8XibL)

Or preemptively obtain legal representation for what might happen.

Posted by: BruceWayne at November 19, 2024 12:15 PM (CIS44)

413 Speaking only for myself, I'm not arguing Putin's the good guy. I'm arguing that he's a rational actor.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at November 19, 2024 12:12 PM (aYubz)

Exactly. Not driven by an ideology, he is pragmatic. So can be reasoned with. IMHO.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at November 19, 2024 12:15 PM (pohLc)

414 They are forcing visitors to purchase rubles when you enter with your own currency so they can get hard currency in the country.

You have a cite for that?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 19, 2024 12:14 PM (uxCna)
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I will see if I can find that in time - I know we are running this thread out. I have read about it but finding the cite might take a bit.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 19, 2024 12:15 PM (GZYu7)

415 Simply put, there is no recognizable 'right' to interfere with another country's internal affairs dealing with an internal civil war

LOL

Posted by: CIA at November 19, 2024 12:15 PM (NGHTx)

416 cheerleaders stick their heads in the sand

Vids?

Posted by: N at November 19, 2024 12:15 PM (8XibL)

417 I don’t support this war at all, but anyone thinking Putin is the good guy here is sadly misinformed.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 19, 2024 12:07 PM (ibKjr)

Speaking only for myself, I'm not arguing Putin's the good guy. I'm arguing that he's a rational actor.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating

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Until Trump is back in office I think he's the only one behaving in a human / predictable manner.

It's like a bad driver. You can speed, or you can weave, or you can tailgate, etc., but so long as you're predictable I can drive beside you.

None of the non-Russia actors are predictable.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 12:15 PM (AAvt3)

418 Russia is in a currency crisis - because of sanctions - they cannot even use most credit cards - and neither could you if you managed to travel there. They are forcing visitors to purchase rubles when you enter with your own currency so they can get hard currency in the country. They have good gold access so they use it to facilitate what international trade they have. They are in trouble, by any metric.
Posted by: Black JEM at November 19, 2024 12:11 PM (GZYu7)

I do believe this is what China does as well. It seems to serve them

However to get around the sanctions is why they are trying to launch the BRICS pay, which would be a sidestep to SWIFT or any other system dominated by the petrodollar controlled by the US

On the other hand they could just print up gold bearer bonds for payments, and have their own internationa currency, or they could go bitcoin.
The problem with bitcoin is the loss of the currency, which is dangerous.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 19, 2024 12:16 PM (D7oie)

419 Thinking about it...why bother putting missiles into Mexico or Cuba? Do it of course, make it newsworthy.
but lit L'il Kim fire that actual rockets. He has the range now. Just needs a decent guidance system.
The next missile alert in Hawaii may be real.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 19, 2024 12:16 PM (W/lyH)

420 Russia lacks a bit more than some advanced consumer goods. You sound as silly as those democrats blindly following the Ukrainian klepto state.

Posted by: Black JEM at November 19, 2024 12:14 PM (GZYu7)

Russia is a capital goods exporter in their region, it's part of their sphere of power. Unlike say Iran, which depends on import.

What exactly are you suggesting they lack other than advanced consumer goods?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at November 19, 2024 12:17 PM (eYoxG)

421 The US Army was shooting Russians in Russia from 1918 to 1920.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli)

Well, that's the best place to find them.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at November 19, 2024 12:17 PM (sfDnS)

422 cheerleaders stick their heads in the sand

Is this like those 'help, I'm stuck in the oven/couch cushions/dryer' videos I keep hearing about?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at November 19, 2024 12:17 PM (aYubz)

423 Well, that isn't completely true. WE are gaining something of value.

So we're engaged in the slaughter of thousands for evil purposes but at least we got paid. Yay us.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic

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Setting aside the money laundering, if you look at it strictly in terms of depopulation it has been AWESOME.

Tons of dead Ukranians, reproduction messed up for decades, and Russia is going to end up with the territory anyway.

But the money was always the important part. Ten percent for the big guy, jack!

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 12:17 PM (AAvt3)

424 The US Army was shooting Russians in Russia from 1918 to 1920.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli)

Well, that's the best place to find them.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

Maj. Gen. Willie Sutton nods in agreement.

Posted by: Bulg at November 19, 2024 12:18 PM (v6JzV)

425 this like those 'help, I'm stuck in the oven/couch cushions/dryer' videos I keep hearing about?
Posted by: Wash

Who goes headfirst into a couch for anything

Posted by: N at November 19, 2024 12:18 PM (8XibL)

426 Open Nood.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, still gloating at November 19, 2024 12:18 PM (aYubz)

427 @366

>>Nor does he want to be seen as Trump's beyotch, but he will, I think, settle if Trump gives him a viable option..

Someone's getting a haircut and that someone is Z-Man.

The only question left is what country he picks to get settled in.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 19, 2024 12:18 PM (XV/Pl)

428 Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 12:14 PM (AAvt3)

Exactly. Nobody ever brings up the bioweapons labs in Ukraine either.

Strange that.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at November 19, 2024 12:18 PM (eZwyX)

429 When everything you do is above board, you do not need to remind everybody that it was
Posted by: N at November 19, 2024 12:14 PM (8XibL)

They should just send themselves an email stating that they did everything 'by the book'.

Posted by: Susan Rice at November 19, 2024 12:18 PM (aD39U)

430 Nood

Ace posted an open thread.
You know what that means.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Vote but also buy ammo at November 19, 2024 12:18 PM (xcxpd)

431 Two weeks since the glorious Trump victory and after a few days of leftist tears, freaks out and even a tiny bit of truth telling and reflection the Dems/MSM complex are back into full attack mode and nothing in their insane agenda and contempt for America has changed, none that I can detect anyway. Damn the torpedoes, the narrative must be restored.
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Yup.
They have settled on "the voters didn't reject our message--they just didn't hear our message!"

And so they are going yell racist, fascist, terrorists, bigot, hater louder and louder until all the voters can hear.
Especially the 8 million that didn't "vote" for Harris.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at November 19, 2024 12:19 PM (kPo9j)

432 421 The US Army was shooting Russians in Russia from 1918 to 1920.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-Tempus belli)

Well, that's the best place to find them.

And they were in season.

Posted by: Doughboy at November 19, 2024 12:19 PM (DobEs)

433 415 Simply put, there is no recognizable 'right' to interfere with another country's internal affairs dealing with an internal civil war

LOL
Posted by: CIA
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I don't support them doing it either. Iran is in a mess because of Mossadegh being removed--course it was also vulnerable into being incorporated into Stalin's empire.

But riddle me this, why did the UK and France not directly accept the Confederacy's proposals. It is because while the elites might have favored such a thing, the people of both countries found it abhorrent. So both stayed on the sidelines.

Invading a country because you don't like your 'side' losing is not recognized under international law as a casus belli.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2024 12:19 PM (ctrM5)

434 Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 12:17 PM (AAvt3)

Don’t forget who will be financing the rebuild of Ukraine….

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at November 19, 2024 12:19 PM (eZwyX)

435 thathalfrican! Good to see you, brother.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - the missing 13M votes are more proof of the 2020 fraud at November 19, 2024 12:20 PM (AAvt3)

436 You too Robbie!

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at November 19, 2024 12:20 PM (eZwyX)

437 They are forcing visitors to purchase rubles when you enter with your own currency so they can get hard currency in the country.

You have a cite for that?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 19, 2024 12:14 PM (uxCna)
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I will see if I can find that in time - I know we are running this thread out. I have read about it but finding the cite might take a bit.
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Since there are sanctions any credit card system tied into the US clearance system - which is just about every country in the planet - cannot be used in Russia. So you will have to use local currency - the ruble. https://shorturl.at/Vw7uw

Posted by: Black JEM at November 19, 2024 12:22 PM (GZYu7)

438 Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 19, 2024 12:10 PM (ExV1e)

*in my best Frasier Crane voice*

I’m listening
Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at November 19, 2024 12:12 PM (eZwyX)

In the off chance you're still here:

1. The MIC gets a payday.
2. China keeps Russia isolated in case they choose to take more territory.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at November 19, 2024 12:23 PM (ExV1e)

439 432 421 The US Army was shooting Russians in Russia from 1918 to 1920.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert
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Yes and the Russians were shooting Finns shortly thereafter trying to reclaim the Grand Duchy of Finland for the Motherland.

Neither justify invading other countries as a general rule. Wilson should be considered one of the foremost pricks among the presidents and a sanctimonious racist douchebag that decided to teach Veracruz a lesson for a discourtesy.

Posted by: whig at November 19, 2024 12:25 PM (ctrM5)

440 Digs love antifreeze. I don't know if it's sweet, or they love the smell but our vet has signs up in the office about dogs and antifreeze.

Posted by: Megthered at November 19, 2024 12:26 PM (Mtips)

441 Russia is a capital goods exporter in their region, it's part of their sphere of power. Unlike say Iran, which depends on import.

What exactly are you suggesting they lack other than advanced consumer goods?

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy at November 19, 2024 12:17 PM (eYoxG)
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What non-advanced capital goods do they produce writ large for anyone other than their satellite states? So the fact that their heavy equipment uses technology we haven't used in 50 years but it still is somewhat functional proves they are fine?

Posted by: Black JEM at November 19, 2024 12:27 PM (GZYu7)

442 There is no logic to our Ukraine policy

The logic is that if Ukraine's books are ever opened it would disclose an absolutely monstrously-sized graft and money-laundering operation. Remember, on the one hand, Biden (who was personally vulnerable, and front-man for a lot of Obama folks) shutting down the corruption prosecution with a billion-dollar threat, and couple it to how a wide-spread money-laundering operation was being disclosed until US Congress shut it down with Trump's first impeachment. That's why that impeachment was so critical - without it the money laundering would've felled big players in DoD, State, the White House, Treasury and would've even ensnared Obama's nearest and dearest minions. They dare not let that network get exposed.

That all got shut down, and with a vengeance. But keeping a lid on all that has let the operation morph into taking on a life of its own. Sure, the neocons and arms contractors are making a killing off of Ukraine, but they are an effect, not a cause, to it.

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at November 19, 2024 12:27 PM (bufu1)

443 No, it is much worse than anyone has said. The government officials aren't worried about a nuclear war, because they think they will survive it. They have deep underground bunkers where they get to hide, and they even have regulations on how the government will continue to function even if the rest of us are dead.

OK. I promise that I will take max dosages of anti-radiation drugs, and hide outside the entrance to one of their bunkers with a sniper rifle and kill everyone of the cockroaches who try to crawl out of their cave. Who is with me?

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at November 19, 2024 12:35 PM (Da7Vv)

444 Yes, of course. Invasioin is always bad. I was just pointing out what I have always thought was an interesting fact -- that the preindustrial, nomadic Mongols accomplished something that the mighty Napoleon and Hitler could not.
Posted by: Bulg at November
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Caused Russia to get its sh!t together.

Posted by: Braenyard - some animals are more equal than others at November 19, 2024 12:35 PM (bxYeq)

445 I expect that Russia will respond by ramping up their strikes on Uke weapons systems, specifically the ATACMS trucks ... (no trucks no launchers) and also start to target foreign military locations in Ukraine (more than they have until now) ... expect some dead Americans and Brits to start showing up in Ukraine ...

Posted by: The Dark Lord at November 19, 2024 12:48 PM (DBAaD)

446 > If Mexico launched Russian missiles at one of our military bases on our southern border, we might get a bit upset

well, if Mexico launched those missiles 2-3 years after America invaded Mexico and was still fighting on Mexican territory... that would a different story, RIGHT?

Posted by: comradearthur at November 19, 2024 12:52 PM (OdNzD)

447 > But no, the West has decided that it will fight to the last Ukrainian

No, UKRAINE decided to fight. They know Russia will extirpate Ukraine and will fight with their own lives to defend themselves.

Posted by: comradearthur at November 19, 2024 12:54 PM (OdNzD)

448 This post was one of the most cogent and persuasive arguments for realism and prudence in foreign affairs. Now apply this logic to our relationship with Israel.

Posted by: Eric Dale at November 19, 2024 01:39 PM (UQ9VM)

449 Why did Sweden and Finland join NATO if not out of fear of further Russian aggression. Russia may not have the means to attack a NATO country, but they've already proven they're stupid enough to try.

If that happens, what then? We should have deterred the Ukraine invasion, but we didn't. Now what? No answer in this post.

Posted by: Winston at November 19, 2024 02:30 PM (K1czz)

450 Thank God Harris lost or we'd be looking at the draft by this summer.
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Heh. A draft would be meaningless if Vlad hits the nuke button.

And re: Sweden and Finland--if I'm not wrong, the aggregate strength of the Swedes, Finns, Baltic states, and Poland could give the Russians a very hard time if Putin were crazy enough to attack a NATO member. And they aren't scraping the bottom of the reserves barrel, or importing Norks to bolster their numbers.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at November 19, 2024 02:45 PM (uY1j2)

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